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	The entire U.S. Navy is running on XP. Adam Curry, John C. Devorak.
	It's Thursday, June 25th, 2015.
	Time once again for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 733.
	This is No Agenda.
	Celebrating 100% New Zealand raw products.
	And broadcasting live from FEMA Region 6 here in the capital of the Drone Star State, Austin Tejas.
	In the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where it looks like we're going to have a scorcher, which is rare because it's summer.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's crack, run, and buzzkill in the morning.
	Alright, how's the printer cleaning cycle?
	Eh, it's just clean in a way.
	I don't know what it's up to.
	Will this hamper the show in any way?
	Well, I don't have my clip list.
	Ooh.
	I mean, I could look at it on the email, but that's not the same.
	Hmm.
	It's not what I'm used to.
	It's not my regimen.
	Well, should we be concerned?
	No, we shouldn't be concerned.
	I can remember most of the clips.
	Hey, have you ever seen Oprah, right?
	Excuse me?
	You've seen Oprah's show, right?
	Obviously.
	You know Oprah.
	You know where Oprah...
	I don't know if she still does it.
	The Oprah Book Club.
	Yeah.
	Where when she mentions a book on the show, it's sold out everywhere.
	Yeah.
	That's what she does.
	Yeah.
	Well, we, John, you and I... We sold out a book?
	We are the Oprah of dryer balls.
	I gotta tell you, you can't find a dryer ball on Amazon or eBay anywhere.
	Oh, Etsy?
	I don't know about Etsy.
	That's where I got mine.
	But this thing's gone viral, man.
	Man.
	A dryer ball's the way to go.
	Dryer balls are viral.
	I got my dryer balls.
	Did you get yours?
	No, I have not gotten my dryer balls yet.
	I've ordered a special pack of three small balls and three large balls.
	Okay, well, I got a sack of six balls.
	Oh, that's interesting enough.
	These are 100% New Zealand.
	So you have a sack of six balls.
	I do.
	I do.
	And it's funny you say that, because the instructions tell me how to use these.
	Let us do a little legacy, the genesis of the dryer balls, where, by pure coincidence, John found out that I was using dryer sheets and was appalled.
	You said you were using dryer sheets.
	That's the coincidence.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	It's not a coincidence.
	You made a statement and then I told you.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We were talking about something else and then coincidentally we happened upon the dryer sheets.
	My use of them.
	I'm trying to think how that came about.
	I was talking about your soft, fluffy underwear.
	No, no.
	I was talking about lint.
	Lintitis.
	Oh, right.
	You had lintitis.
	Yes.
	The urge to pull off the lint from the dryer filter in one piece.
	Yeah.
	And I said, then you mop up the rest.
	That makes sense being Tourette's, yeah.
	There's got to be Tourette's connected.
	You mop up the rest of the little fragments with your dryer sheet.
	And John went, what?
	What?
	I didn't do that, but I said, what?
	You used dryer sheets?
	I said, what?
	You used dryer sheets?
	And then that's where it began.
	Yes, and then you sent me an email, a follow-up, a private email, not even related to the show, just because you love me, and said, hey man, here's what's in these dryer sheets.
	There's all kinds of chemicals that are even on the EPA's dangerous list.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And my joke in the email was these are the kind of things you want to wash out of your clothes.
	Yes.
	Oh, I laughed so hard.
	It was very funny.
	Very funny.
	And so then we stumbled upon an alternative, which is these dryer balls.
	So let me read from the instructions.
	How do smart cheap dryer balls work?
	Wool dryer balls work by bouncing around in your dryer, lifting and separating clothing, and increasing hot air flow.
	They cut down drying time, which saves you money on energy costs.
	Why are wool dryer balls better than fabric sheets?
	Fabric sheets use harsh chemicals to soften clothing, which are toxic to the environment, not to mention to humans.
	Wool dryer balls are a nature-friendly alternative.
	Our dryer balls are handmade in Nepal with 100% New Zealand wool.
	And the instructions is obviously turn on dryer, insert dryer balls, watch your clothes dry faster while your clothes get softer.
	The more balls you use, the faster they will dry.
	Are you with me or are you working on the printer?
	I'm aghast actually at what you've read.
	Oh?
	My dryer balls came from a woman that has her own sheep in the United States.
	Oh, nice!
	I'm not importing my dryer balls from Nepal.
	You have foreign balls.
	No, you have foreign balls.
	I have foreign balls.
	You got American balls.
	Exactly.
	Now, did you know that if you want a medium load, you should use three to four balls?
	I didn't know that.
	For larger loads, use five to six balls.
	I think that's overdue.
	What do you need that many for?
	The thing must be making a racket.
	You can never have too many balls.
	Well, there's...
	Have you tried these things instead of...
	I'm getting the joke here.
	Have you tried these things at all?
	Yeah, they're good.
	It works.
	How many balls did you use?
	Well, I only required a medium load, so I used three balls.
	Okay.
	But I'm going to try a medium load with load up on my balls.
	Now, are these balls like tennis balls?
	They're exactly like tennis balls.
	I think this is fake.
	I think you got ripped off.
	It's a tennis ball.
	There you go.
	Well, when I get my real ones from the American as her own sheep, I will report back.
	I feel that Eric the Shill has a unique opportunity.
	I know he closed No Agenda Nation the store, but can you imagine No Agenda dryer balls?
	Come on.
	This is a hit.
	I'm telling you, someone's going to go to town and we're going to be sitting here once again going, I wish you would have...
	Well, it's okay.
	We've never always allowed people to do that.
	People experiment.
	We need to get in on the action from time to time.
	We've decided it's probably not our forte.
	Okay.
	You're clearly distracted by your printer cleaning its heads.
	No, I had to reset it in the meantime.
	So I'm never going to be able to print out the clips.
	I'm going to have to go load them onto the screen.
	Well, I have an idea.
	Hold on.
	Let me do something for you.
	Okay, I'm going to take a screenshot here of the clipless.
	Check this out.
	This will be great.
	And I'm going to crop it.
	There we go.
	Boom.
	And I'm going to zoom it.
	Nice.
	Save.
	And I'm going to send this to you on Skype, and then you will be good to go.
	It'll be one whole complete.
	It won't have to have three, because I'd send it as three.
	It'll be one complete.
	Oh, okay.
	Now you'll love this.
	Watch this.
	Watch what I did.
	Ready?
	We'll see.
	Okay.
	Accept, accept, accept.
	I didn't get anything.
	Yeah, it's coming.
	There it is.
	You know, you don't accept anymore.
	Oh, really?
	They've changed it.
	Well, that seems to be it.
	You get an image on the screen with a down arrow.
	Oh.
	And without anybody telling you to do anything, you have to somehow know psychically to click on that down arrow.
	A lot of people look at the down arrow and say, well, is there something down here below?
	Because that's what it looks like.
	It doesn't look like it means download.
	But that's what it is.
	So it doesn't say accept or anything.
	It's just a complete crap.
	The file is a ping with incorrect extension.
	This is a program that is financed and sponsored and, dare I say, produced entirely by the audience.
	Unlike mainstream media, but even...
	It's a good list.
	There's a native ad that popped up, which wasn't even so native because it has a big payoff at the end.
	And it's our friend, Bill Nye, the climate guy.
	Oh!
	And he has something called Emoji Science.
	Emoji science, wow.
	Well, listen to it, and then listen to the payoff, and you can see who's really behind all this green initiative.
	Hey, Bill Nye here for the Emoji Science Lab.
	This episode, climate change.
	Climate change is a real deal, everybody, and here's why.
	If we had some extraordinary car on some extraordinary highway, and we could drive...
	Hold on, stop, stop, stop.
	Climate's the real deal and here's why and now what he's going to follow with is the reason?
	Yeah.
	With imaginary cars and imaginary highways.
	Huh.
	Yeah, this is for the kids, John.
	This is for the kids.
	And this is how they're being indoctrinated by the funny man with the bow tie.
	Yeah, I'm a clown, everybody.
	It's a real deal, everybody, and here's why.
	If we had some extraordinary car on some extraordinary highway and we could drive somehow straight up for an hour, at highway speed, we'd be in outer space.
	It's right there.
	The atmosphere is really thin.
	Now, back in 1750, there were about one and a half billion people in the world.
	Well, today, there's 7.2 going on 7.3 billion people.
	The people are the problem.
	Kill them.
	That's the problem.
	Yeah.
	There's billions of people.
	Yeah, kill them.
	That's the problem.
	Burning the same thin atmosphere.
	Back in 1750, when James Watt created the first workable steam engine, there are about 250 parts per million of carbon dioxide.
	Okay, I can't hear anymore of this guy.
	Take it to the payoff, man.
	It's worth it.
	Who do you think is sponsoring this Emoji Science show?
	Chevron.
	Close.
	The atmosphere of carbon dioxide is good.
	It holds in heat.
	It keeps our earth toasty and warm for us humans.
	But now, they're over 400 parts per million.
	It's the speed, it's the weight that we're changing things that's causing all this trouble.
	Climate is changing and it's because you and I are living here.
	Now what should we do?
	Run in circles.
	What?
	What should we do?
	Kill ourselves.
	Everybody's fine.
	Screaming?
	No!
	Let's get to work.
	Let's use electricity.
	We can generate it renewably from wind and solar.
	And then the key is we have to move it around the world through cool new transmission lines that someone's going to invent and develop and fund and distribute.
	And then, if we had a better battery, a better system, a better scheme of electrical energy storage, we could, dare I say it, Change the world!
	Thanks for visiting GE's Emoji Science Lab to learn and steal more.
	GE, makers of gas turbines.
	GE. GE. Do you believe the gall?
	The gall.
	Well, you know, I didn't want to start yet another show with this topic, but since you did...
	It's unavoidable.
	It's very...
	You can move it deeper into the show, but let's play the Dutch court on global warming so we get a little feeling for what's going on in Holland.
	A Dutch court ruled today that the Netherlands must cut greenhouse gas The climate ruling ordered reductions of at least 25% below 1990 levels by 2020.
	Environmental activists said the case lays the legal groundwork for similar action in other countries.
	You will obey.
	You will obey.
	This is exactly what it is.
	This is how the European Union works.
	They set their goals, which are higher than you think.
	I had a clip about the Dutch regulations.
	Well, I have another clip, Ben.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Which is, this is just a casual clip, just showing how, apparently, how all in there.
	Now, this is a clip that's going to be kind of like an Ask Adam, because I have to ask you if the assertions made in this clip are true at all.
	This is Netherlands and its future.
	The country is bounded by the North Sea.
	Where there are no natural dunes to keep the sea out, the Dutch have had to build mighty walls or dikes to protect their farms and communities.
	Roughly half the people and half the land here in the Netherlands are below sea level.
	And for 700 years, the Dutch have developed their expertise at keeping this country dry.
	It's a constant battle.
	And now with climate change and rising sea levels a reality, the work is that much harder and more expensive.
	Even with impressive dikes already in place, the Dutch are moving mountains of sand and mud to fortify their dikes and protect their next generation.
	Famous for both their frugality and their foresight, the Dutch are investing billions of euros as climate change makes its costly impact felt on sea level communities here and around the globe.
	Well, yes.
	Is that right?
	Are the communities in danger?
	In peril?
	In danger?
	Are they all getting flooded?
	What's going on?
	Come on, tell us.
	I will tell you.
	In 1952, there was a huge disaster in the Netherlands.
	Then the dikes broke.
	And it was really after this, in 1952, that the Delta Works were started.
	And the Dutch, without doubt, have a lot of experience with water.
	But, of course, the Netherlands...
	The name says it.
	It really wasn't a country.
	It didn't exist.
	So they dredged it out and they created a country with a dyke system.
	That's why they have windmills.
	Amsterdam, the entire city is built on piles.
	What do you call them in English?
	Poles.
	Yeah, exactly.
	You stick a shovel anywhere in the Netherlands in the ground, you're going to get water within a foot or two.
	But the Netherlands belongs to the sea.
	Is it worsening?
	Because it sounds to me that it's worsening.
	No.
	It sounds like it's just borderline and it's going to flood it out.
	We're all going to die.
	No.
	No.
	That's what he said.
	I know.
	I know.
	It's just not happening.
	So everybody's fretting?
	They're all sitting around wringing their hands?
	Every day, people sit around in circles at Dutch birthday parties fretting about the water.
	Well, they said anyway.
	But I mean, just in general.
	No.
	Okay.
	I just want to get that straight.
	They're just feeding the American public a bunch of bullcrap.
	Yeah.
	Is that what you're implying?
	Yes.
	It's also a fun way to say dyke a lot.
	Ah.
	Yeah.
	And the solution, of course, to your dykes is your dryer balls.
	Here is my report on the...
	I think this has a little more EU information in it.
	A Dutch court has ordered its own government to reduce greenhouse gas emissions at a faster rate than it's planning to do.
	A judge in The Hague said that in five years' time, Dutch emissions had to be 25% lower than 1990 levels.
	The government plans cuts of only 14% to 17%.
	Woo!
	had brought the case said to be the world's first climate liability suit.
	The ruling said the country had to take a lead and couldn't hide behind arguments that an international response was needed.
	But it's not clear how the decision will be enforced and the government can appeal.
	The EU has set a reduction target of 40% in carbon emissions by 2030.
	A major global conference is due later this year.
	Sure, that'll happen.
	Now, what happened in the past week, you may not have heard about it because we were too busy burning flags in America, which we'll have to talk about.
	Taking flags down, that's going to solve racism.
	Woo!
	No flags, no racism.
	The EPA released their big climate change strategy document quite lengthy.
	I haven't even gotten through it all myself.
	And EPA boss, Gina McCarthy, she's the director of the Environmental Protection Agency, who has a lot of power to make rules that will affect everyone's lives, went out on a tear.
	She was out on promoting this thing and talking to everybody, talking about it.
	And I found, well, there was a summit, the Public Health and Climate Change Summit.
	But before I play that, I'd like to play an appearance on CNN with our buddy Michaela over there, talking about what the...
	Maybe I should ask you this.
	By 2100, the year 2100, how many people, if we don't act now...
	How many people do you think, John, will die from climate change?
	Millions.
	We're going to avoid the damages that otherwise would happen if we continue to have our heads in the sand.
	Okay, so heads in the sand.
	You probably get a chance to make this argument all the time.
	Dinner parties at the bus stop, etc., etc.
	So I'm going to give you...
	What does that mean?
	You get to make this at dinner parties and the bus stop?
	She takes buses?
	Somehow, I'll bet you Gina McCarthy has a security detail.
	Yeah, driving a gas guzzler.
	How do you convince somebody who, as you say, has their head in the sand, who says, I don't buy it, I don't believe this, I think it's just a bunch of tripe rhetoric?
	Tripe rhetoric.
	How do you convince somebody who says, no, climate change isn't how we're making it out to be?
	Well, Michaela, you'd be surprised, but most of the people that I meet on the streets ask us why we're not doing more.
	Is she out on the street meeting people while she's waiting at the bus stop?
	She's not meeting anyone while she's waiting at the bus stop.
	Hey, buddy, what do you think?
	Ah, you're not doing enough.
	Business communities come forward.
	Businesses come forward.
	And say, why isn't government doing more?
	Okay, fair enough.
	But what about the critics?
	Because they're vocal.
	Lies.
	They are vocal.
	The critics are vocal who are deniers.
	Deniers.
	But the rest of the people really want...
	Bear that in mind, the deniers.
	We'll be talking about that later.
	Government to provide the leadership we were brought here to provide, which is to keep them safe and healthy and to hand the world to our children in a shape that we can be proud of.
	Climate change is not a belief system.
	It is a fact.
	This is science.
	So EPA is putting the science on the table.
	We're providing all the information, and we're showing that in fact, if you actually take action today, you will save significant lives.
	How many, John?
	You said millions?
	Millions, right?
	Millions.
	Thousands of lives every year.
	Thousands!
	Thousands of lives!
	So worth the trouble!
	You are going to save precious resources that we all care about.
	You're going to address issues of extreme drought.
	You're going to reduce the amount of acreage that's destroyed by wildfires.
	And this is an important issue that we all need to embrace.
	It's not political.
	What?
	How is acreage destroyed by wildfires?
	I have an acre.
	Are you questioning things, citizen?
	And there is a bunch of weeds on it.
	And then all of a sudden it goes and digs part of a wildfire.
	How is the acre gone?
	That's a good point.
	Yeah, your acre's not, well, no, it's not gone.
	Wildfire is usually what it is.
	I mean, there is instances where a wildfire is a forest, but again, the acreage is still there.
	I'm with you, brother.
	I'm with you.
	Brother.
	Brother.
	I'm with you, brother.
	It's not political.
	It's science, and we can do this.
	We always have.
	Gina McCarthy, thank you so much.
	We should let you know at home that CNN is taking a look at the difference just two degrees Celsius could make in changing the world we live in and how we can prevent a global catastrophe before it happens.
	Shut up already!
	Science!
	So CNN, you know, they have this new digital studios division where they're making native advertising.
	And this is one of them.
	They're being paid.
	I don't have...
	General Electric.
	I don't have a receipt.
	No, they're being paid by the EPA. Oh, the EPA has a budget now for promotion?
	Oh, yes.
	Huge.
	So they have this CNN.com slash two degrees.
	I'll just play this.
	This is just made up.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, it's too bad.
	Well, they make it ten degrees and really frighten the public.
	It's too bad we don't have...
	We don't have video, but you can even hear in the sound effects of this short little promo reel that's on the CNN.com slash two degrees, which you won't see on television.
	This is purely paid for by the United States government to propagate the two degree means.
	Two degrees Celsius.
	It's probably the most important number you've never heard of.
	Environmental policy experts say that temperature, 2 degrees Celsius or 3.6 Fahrenheit, may be the edge of the cliff for climate change.
	If global average temperatures were more than that, we'll greatly up the odds of new and worsening climate.
	Do you hear all this?
	The earth is exploding and burning.
	There's danger signs flashing on the screen.
	Oh!
	Mass extinctions, John!
	Vast Extinction.
	Vast Extinction meme is a big deal.
	I saw that in a number of shows, and it was all based more or less on what I talked about on the last show, which is that guy, that Ehrlich guy from Stanford, getting back in the game because I guess he needs to get a book out or he's running out of money.
	I'm not sure what the point of it is, but that's something like that.
	Kill all the people.
	That's part of it.
	They have the extreme sea level rise and they show the Manhattan skyline with the water like halfway up the Empire State Building.
	Does it?
	Yeah, it's crazy.
	When we burn gas in our cars or coal in our power plants...
	Notice there's no natural gas discussed here.
	...adding carbon to the atmosphere and warming the planet.
	Scientists say the Earth's surface temperature has warmed 0.85 degrees Celsius since 1880, the Industrial Revolution.
	If we want to slow climate change, we're going to have to cut back into that.
	Fast.
	If we don't, the world could hit two degrees.
	This is why we have the new regulations for air travels.
	It's not just going to cut back fast.
	It's going to cost you more.
	Celsius in just a few decades.
	This simple little...
	Anyway, you get the idea.
	Now let me just...
	With that in mind, with the temperature in mind, let us go to the Public Health and Climate Change Summit.
	This was a White House summit that was not on C-SPAN, but could only find it on YouTube.
	Three and a half hours I sat through this crap.
	And finally, there she was, our hero with her cape on, her climate cape, director of EPA, Gina McCarthy.
	Here's how she starts her little ditty with a, of course, you want to start with a little, you know, a little humor.
	Hey, everybody.
	How's it going so far?
	Woo!
	Great.
	That was not a resounding.
	Wake up now.
	Wake up now, slaves.
	That is the worst thing you can do when you're on stage.
	Wake up.
	Isn't that the worst thing you can do?
	Well, it's insulting.
	Yeah, everyone's like.
	It's also insulting to whoever's putting on the conference.
	Yeah, that's what I mean.
	It's completely lame.
	No, it's insulting everybody.
	It's a very insulting thing to say.
	Hey everybody, how's it going so far?
	Great.
	That was not a resounding...
	Wake up now!
	Wake up!
	I demand you break your conditioning!
	I know you...
	I just want to let you know, do not go outside.
	It's very bad.
	So you're lucky that you're in here.
	It's toasty outside.
	I wonder what that could be all about.
	Why...
	Oh, she's a riot!
	I wonder what that could be all about.
	I'll be here all the week.
	So, the crowd is obviously...
	Slanted.
	Now we heard the thousands of people number.
	And I really like this, I only have two clips from her, from this three and a half hours with panels and all kinds of jabronis.
	But she's going to give us an exact number of how many people, how many thousands of people will ride.
	I like that.
	So take a look at that.
	If the only thing your friend cares about is fishing, if they like cold water trout, tell them to read section I don't know what in the report.
	She doesn't even know what the section is in the report.
	They'll find themselves there if they care about saving 57,000 people who will actually die prematurely in the year 2100 alone in the United States if we don't take global climate action, then have them read the whole report.
	So, what I'm hearing her say is if we do not take action, immediate action...
	It always has to be immediate.
	57,000 people will die prematurely because, of course, you know, we all die prematurely by the year 2100.
	I mean, we could...
	It's almost as many people who die from automobile accidents.
	No, automobiles 40 to 50.
	Almost, almost.
	No, almost.
	Almost.
	It's reversed.
	It's more than people.
	More than.
	Yeah.
	Well, almost.
	Can't.
	You're picky today.
	Can't almost.
	No, no.
	You said 57 is almost.
	It's not.
	It's more than.
	No.
	Almost could.
	If it was less than, it would be less than or almost.
	If it's more than, it's more than or almost.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	Yes!
	Almost means it's in the neighborhood, not plus or minus.
	No, almost means it's less than.
	Oh, really?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Because it's not just about public health in one section.
	It's about being able to take action today to save 12,000 people that will be dying from extreme heat.
	You can believe it today if you go outside.
	What a crock!
	They used to always say, weather's not climate.
	Now she's claiming on a hot day.
	You can use that as an example.
	No proof!
	Proof!
	Proof that 12,000 people a month will die.
	You're talking about people, if they're worried about wildfires, we're going to have 64% more acres burning every single year.
	Let's write this down, John, for the year 2100 so we can check the exactity of 64%.
	He's good.
	In the year 2100, if we don't do something about it.
	But what is it really about, Gina?
	If we do something about it today, we can save acreage the size of Maryland every year.
	Let's burn Maryland instead.
	You're going to save the size of Maryland?
	Save it from what?
	Oh, from the tides coming up.
	Acreage the size of Maryland.
	Maryland!
	What do you want to choose here, folks?
	I would like...
	The Al Gore thing shows that Maryland's not...
	It's not going to be the size of Maryland if the floods come in.
	Half the country's going to be underwater.
	We mock this because...
	Can people make up their minds?
	It's so mockable.
	And it's...
	Does anyone not see that this is insanity to save 57,000 people from premature death?
	So maybe they die at 70.
	Nobody can see the insanity.
	Well, of course, it's really about one thing.
	So we are doing everything we can to engage the public where they live, the things that they care about.
	Because we all know that we all care about our kids' future.
	We all care about our own public health.
	But frankly, it's all about the kids.
	Oh!
	Won't somebody please think of the children?
	Alright.
	Did you just set the whole thing up just to run that clip?
	No, no.
	I actually have the second clip is pretty good.
	Alright.
	Okay, you're on a roll.
	I'm on a roll.
	I hope we don't do this again.
	What?
	The Gina McCarthy thing?
	No, we did the last five shows.
	We started off with the same topic.
	Like I said, you're on a roll.
	Let's wrap.
	Let's go.
	We will not only deliver for you what you want your government to deliver.
	This is about us.
	She's talking to us, John.
	She's about to talk to us.
	What you expect our government to deliver.
	But we will be able to hold on to those deliverables because we will have...
	Deliverables?
	You work for Silicon Valley now?
	I think, in this case, you just want to listen to what she's saying.
	Voice of all of the people, not just a minority.
	Because when I put a report out on acting on climate like we did yesterday, that shows how dramatically our world will change if we don't act, and just the benefits we can deliver if we do.
	I am doing that not to push back on climate deniers.
	You can have fun doing that if you want, but I've batted my head against the wall too many times, and if the science already hasn't changed their mind, it never will.
	But in any democracy, it's not them that carries the day.
	It is normal human beings.
	You are not normal, Mr.
	Dvorak.
	You a-holes.
	No, keep questioning these computer models.
	You are not normal.
	Wait, there's more.
	That haven't put their stake in to politics above science.
	Science.
	It's normal human beings that want us to do the right thing, and we will if you help us.
	Thank you very much.
	Good night, Cleveland.
	Woo!
	Fuck the normal, only normal people.
	Not those crazies.
	Normal people.
	Normal.
	All right.
	Then to wrap this up, because I am going somewhere, I was blown away by Senator Ted Cruz.
	And now these facts need to be checked.
	But I liked what he said.
	Big government energy mandates don't stop with ethanol.
	There are tax credits for almost every form of energy, each designed to give one industry a leg up over the other.
	There's enhanced oil recovery credits for producing oil and gas from marginal wells.
	There's an advanced nuclear power generation credit.
	Clean coal investment credits.
	Now, at first I was thinking to myself, okay, you know, isn't he a Republican?
	Isn't he supposed to, you know, to be all in on big oil and big everything and not even supposed to promote nuclear?
	What's going on?
	I'm confused.
	I'm confused.
	He must have a point.
	And a credit for plug-in electric and fuel cell vehicles.
	And, of course, the infamous wind production tax credit.
	Ah, the infamous wind production tax credit.
	So infamous, not even we have heard of it.
	I've never heard of it.
	I didn't know it was infamous.
	You'd think you'd know about it.
	Yeah, well, we don't know about it, but he has the numbers, our Ted here.
	A two-year extension of wind credits alone.
	Costs taxpayers more than $13 billion.
	That seems like a lot of money.
	I don't think we should get a generator.
	So he's going to equate this to something which I found very important.
	Which is enough to pay the monthly electricity bills for 124 million Americans.
	How about putting that up for a referendum?
	Do we continue to benefit one favored industry?
	Or do we pay the electricity bill for 124 million Americans?
	You know what?
	I don't think that would be a close vote for the American people.
	I don't know.
	Let's take a vote.
	Would you like to have wind power subsidies, John, or no electricity bill?
	I'd love to own a wind farm now.
	Yeah.
	Do you think that's true?
	Well, of course.
	I mean, he's right.
	But I never heard of this.
	Neither have I. This is very interesting.
	But if he uses this, if it can't be debunked by some fuzzy crap that he's based this on, that's pretty strong.
	I like it.
	First time Ted Cruz has said something where he didn't sound really icky, and I kind of liked what he said.
	But you're not looking at him either.
	No, I looked at him when I made the clip, believe me.
	But, you know, it's like everybody in politics is harsh to look at.
	Geez, I've watched all of the...
	This was almost four hours.
	The OPM, the Office of Personnel and Management.
	I hope you got something out of it.
	I did.
	I did.
	Because I watched it and went, there's nothing here.
	I can't get it.
	Did you watch the whole thing?
	You watched the whole thing.
	Of course not.
	You already admitted you were watching it, so I didn't have to worry about it.
	Okay, this will be interesting for our dude's name, Ben.
	We have a lot of people who are technologists, some still tech horny, who listen to the program.
	And I like what was going on here for a couple of reasons.
	One, there were some fantastic memes that were brought in, obviously all to shepherd in more money for cybersecurity.
	And this is really what it's all about.
	But I will say, just to give you a little bit of the severity, I asked some of our producing friends who produced the show, do they now know exactly what kind of information on them that was in this?
	And this also goes to the USIS. It's a contract to USIS, who you'll hear about in a moment.
	They're the ones that do all the background checks.
	They do it so well.
	Remember the background check on the guy in the Navy Yard?
	Who shot up...
	Shot up the place.
	Shot up the place, yeah.
	Although he just seemed to be jumping around for the video.
	So when you have a...
	Yeah.
	When you have a background check performed on you, all that data goes into the OPM database, the Office of Personnel and Management.
	Got to be great.
	So here is some of the things that have been exposed.
	I quote, everywhere I've lived, this is from one of our producers, everywhere I've lived in most cases since the age of 18, credit history, including account numbers, bank information, including account numbers, names and addresses of our immediate family members, names and addresses of our closest friends, landlord mortgage company account numbers with names and addresses.
	Criminal history, mental health or health information, if related to employment history, basic information in question, which people just had to justify, such as credit problems, unemployment periods, divorce, people they live with.
	any foreigners they've associated with.
	This is all the information that was exfiltrated, stolen.
	That's concerning.
	That's a lot of information.
	I could assume an identity.
	You can have a lot of fun with that information if you're a criminal.
	You sure can.
	Now, everyone is lying.
	And there's three or four different contractors on this panel, all pointing at each other.
	One is a security tool, and then we have the USIS, who are under investigation for fraud, which we'll get to in a moment.
	And we have this fabulous woman, Anne Barron DeCamille, who works for Department of Homeland Security for CERT, which is the cyber emergency response team, who do a pretty good job, I think, of notifying the technology world when something of notifying the technology world when something is awry.
	But we'll start with a little tête-à-tête between Chavitz.
	We like Chavitz.
	He's funny.
	He always.
	And he really set the director of OPM up on this one.
	And, you know, if you.
	He does that well.
	He does.
	Yeah.
	And this one he had really well set up.
	And he's going to bring in the CIO, who I think they already got to.
	It seems to me like, so the CIO is this woman named Seymour, and whenever her boss, I would say, her director said, no, no, there was nothing stolen, nothing was gone, but of course she's using slippery language because what she means is no PII was stolen, personal identifying information.
	Even though it was.
	So when you hear PII, you know what it is.
	But just listen to Shavitz.
	Set her up and then use her CIO or Chief Information Officer to really catch her in a huge lie.
	Yes, there was a breach into our system.
	Was there any information lost?
	As I've just said to you, there was no PII lost.
	That's not what I asked you.
	I asked, did you lose any information?
	No.
	You'd have to ask the forensic team.
	I'm asking you if any information was lost.
	I'll get back to you with that answer, sir.
	Lying much?
	I believe you know the answer to this question.
	Can you imagine sitting there and having this going on?
	My ass would be sweaty.
	I'd feel really bad for this woman.
	Dogface.
	Do you believe I know that?
	Huh?
	She deserves it.
	Of course!
	The answer to your question?
	Yes.
	Did they take any information when they hacked into the computers?
	I have been advised by my CIO and our forensic team that no PII would go.
	No, that's not what I asked you.
	We'll take as long as you want here.
	I'm sorry.
	I did not ask if they just exfiltrated PII. I'm asking you, did they take any other information?
	What would be relevant of information that was taken if there was, John?
	Would there be anything worth mentioning if you're the director?
	Well, I don't know, because I don't know what Chaffee's doing.
	I don't know what he's trying to get out of her.
	Well, here we go.
	I know he's setting her up, but I don't know what, because I haven't heard this.
	Oh, you're going to love it.
	I will get back to you.
	I know you know the answer to this question.
	Ms.
	Seymour, did they take any other information?
	In the March 2014 incident, the adversaries did not have access to data on our network.
	They did have access to some documents, and they did take some documents from the network.
	Oh, documents!
	Hmm.
	Alright, dude's named Ben.
	Get ready to laugh.
	What were those documents?
	Those documents were some outdated security documents about our systems and some manuals about our systems.
	Let me see.
	I've got some security information.
	Let me store this on the system.
	That's where I'd store it.
	What kind of manuals?
	Manual is about...
	What?
	It's like storing your password in a file that says password.txt.
	Exactly.
	The servers and the environment.
	Is it fair to say?
	Is that like a blueprint for the system?
	It would be fair to say that that would give you enough information that you could learn about the platform, the infrastructure of our system, yes.
	But they did take information.
	Yes, sir, they did.
	Do you believe it was a breach of security?
	Yes, sir, I do.
	So, Ms.
	Archuleta, when we rewind the tape and look at the WJLA-TV interview that you did on July 21st...
	Here's the dagger.
	It's up against her abdomen.
	He's about to thrust it in.
	You said, again, we did not have a breach in security.
	There was no information that was lost.
	That was false, wasn't it?
	I was referring to PII. No, you weren't.
	That wasn't the question.
	That was not the question.
	You said, and I quote, there was no information that was lost.
	Is that accurate or inaccurate?
	Now, just so you know, he's talking about the March 2014 breach.
	That's the first one.
	That's the first one, where what they took were documents, outdated documents, about, you know, the password.txt file, and nothing was done at that point about that breach that The understanding that I had of that question at that time referred to P.I.O. It was misleading, it was a lie, and it wasn't true.
	When this plays out, we're going to find that this was the step that allowed them to come back and why we're in this mess today.
	And you will hang.
	You will hang, lady.
	So I think he did a good job on that.
	He was completely set up.
	Then they passed the mic around, you know, the talking stick, who gets to talk next.
	And then we bring in Wahlberg, Republican from Michigan.
	This is kind of a, I like his voice.
	He's kind of an older type dude.
	And he's the meme master.
	Address, date of birth, job, and pay history, and more.
	That could be there.
	For years, we've been hearing about the risk of a cyber Pearl Harbor situation.
	Is this a cyber Pearl Harbor?
	Yeah!
	Now he's talking to Anne Barron de Camille, who is a Silicon Valley uptalker of epic proportions.
	The impact associated with the data breach that was confirmed, the records that were taken out of the personal records, is what we would call on a severity scale a significant impact.
	Significant impact.
	What does significant impact mean?
	Meaning that the data, if it was correlated with other data sources, could be, you know, severely, it could impact the environment as well as the individual.
	The environment.
	The environment meaning?
	The fact that they were able to take the data out of the environment, that's a significant impact to the environment and ensuring that they are able to mitigate the ability that the attacker used to get into that environment.
	And then the fact that that data was exfilled is also considered to be a high significant impact.
	Exfilled, John.
	You've got to say exfilled, not exfiltrated, but exfilled.
	So it's blown up.
	Blown up?
	It's blown up a lot of things.
	It's blown up.
	Protection, security.
	It's a...
	It's a Pearl Harbor.
	That's not a term I'm comfortable with using, but in the severity scale that we use, this is pretty significant.
	Yeah, it would be medium to high significance.
	I love that!
	It's a Pearl Harbor.
	It's a Pearl Harbor, Mr.
	President.
	It's a Pearl Harbor.
	So that meme is back.
	But there's something else going on here, and Representative Liu of California.
	What?
	I'm doing something.
	Don't pay attention to me.
	Well, then can you do it quietly?
	I have concerns not just about the...
	Here's what's going on.
	This is not just about cyber.
	There's a whole secondary agenda happening here regarding USIS, the guys who do the background checks, who went bankrupt and then were acquired by another company who refuses to let anyone see any of their information, even though they are a government contractor.
	And all of those guys got huge bonuses.
	The CEO got a million-dollar bonus while all of this crap was going on.
	I have concerns not just about the failures of OPM leadership, but also the failures of its contractors, in particular USIS, because it looks like what happened here wasn't just recklessness or negligence, it was fraud.
	And I want to know how far up this fraud went.
	I want to know if the parent company knew about it.
	I want to know if the hedge fund managers that funded these companies knew about it.
	So let me begin with Mr.
	Mr. McFarland, as you know, the Department of Justice joined a lawsuit against USIS in January for defrauding the government under its contract with OPM.
	And according to the Justice Department filing, and I quote, beginning in at least March 2008 and continuing through at least September 2012, USIS management devised and executed a scheme to deliberately circumvent contractually required quality reviews of completed background investigations in order to increase the USIS management devised and executed a scheme to deliberately circumvent contractually required quality reviews You assisted their investigation in this case, correct?
	That's correct.
	And as I understand it, the parent company, Altegrity, paid bonuses to top executives at USIS during the period of fraud that amounted to nearly $30 million.
	Ms. McFarland, do you acknowledge, has USIS or Altegrity pay the government back for those bonuses?
	I'm not positive, but I believe not.
	Let me enter into a record, Mr.
	Chairman, if possible.
	An article from the Wall Street Journal entitled, Okay.
	So there's some secondary agendas we have to move different, because this guy doesn't give a crap about the public.
	He just wants to get his contractors in.
	No doubt.
	This was, of course, the work of Chinese hackers.
	This was stated as fact, was it not, John?
	Chinese hackers that broke in?
	It was never officially said.
	It was almost like leaked as.
	Mm-hmm.
	Public at large, the average person that would be all in on global warming, as the other woman pointed out, that average person would...
	Normal person.
	If you asked them on the street, they would say Chinese hackers.
	Normal person.
	A normal person.
	That's right, I'm sorry.
	A normal person would think it's Chinese.
	Or, yeah.
	Well, let's get it straight from the horse's mouth, then.
	Or the Basset Hound, as it were.
	These people, though, are on the front line.
	This is Micah.
	Overseas, and they're representing us.
	And I could hear concern in their voice about what has taken place.
	Is it Chinese hackers?
	Does anyone know?
	Is it Chinese?
	Do we know for sure?
	Do you know for sure?
	That's classified information, sir.
	Oh!
	I guess it's not so sure then.
	Why would it be classified if everyone already knows that it's the Chinese?
	Why would it be classified?
	I'm asking you.
	You ask me.
	I have no idea.
	I think it's a lie.
	It's a lie.
	It's a lie.
	Alright, the final clip.
	This is something the dude named Ben will enjoy.
	Of course, when you are tracking things for security, your friend is your log files.
	So you can see who logged in, what they did, where they're roaming around.
	Probably a little more than just your typical D-message log file, but some real log files.
	Let's go to the Silicon Valley girl and Berndy Camille from the Department of Homeland Security, and let's see why could they not figure out Who had broken in and why they broke into the system in the March 2014 breach?
	Yes.
	So our team was on site.
	It was an interagency response team, including our law enforcement partners.
	We worked just part of the incident response team.
	What we do is we're working with the system administrators daily.
	Don't you love us?
	It's a manager.
	Informing them every day at the end of the day.
	How many days did you inform them on a daily basis?
	We were there for about two weeks.
	And by the way, she knows her shit don't stink.
	She's probably really right on the money, but she's giving us information, which is abhorrent.
	I have to go back and get the specific time frame.
	So that's at least ten reports that you've given them.
	We worked through the weekend, ma'am.
	Through the weekend?
	Oh my god!
	They worked through the weekend, John!
	Holy crap!
	They worked through the weekend?
	Ma'am.
	Yeah.
	This should get a little star on her forehead.
	That's 14 reports that they were given asserting what the issues were.
	The daily findings, and they can change, so that's why we...
	And did you find something and did you give them ideas about what needed to be done?
	Yes, we were able to discover that there was malicious malware present on the network, that there was compromised credentials specifically...
	And how did that happen?
	How did those compromised credentials...
	What were the two areas that you found within their own system that should have been taken care of previously?
	We found a lack of some security mechanisms that would have helped prevent this kind of intrusion, but because of the lack of logging, we weren't able to find the initial point of entry.
	Lack of logging?
	They couldn't find the initial point of entry due to lack of logging?
	This is the most basic log there is.
	Lack of logging.
	Uh-huh.
	Well, let's dive into it, shall we?
	We were able to find activity from an adversary.
	Can you talk about that, the lack of logging?
	What is that?
	Good question.
	There's a number of types of logs that we look at forensically that can help us piece together a picture of what's happened within your network.
	And why weren't those there?
	So there's a number of reasons.
	It's a risk decision, a risk-based decision.
	It can cost a lot of money depending on the volume.
	It's a risk and a cost decision made by the company itself.
	It can be because it can require quite a bit of storage associated with some of the kinds of...
	So the government contractor that we hired to do government work for...
	Decided, hey man, they don't want to pay for storage.
	They can buy a 5 terabyte drive now at Costco for $140.
	Yeah.
	I mean, terribies are the logs going to be?
	Well, let's find out.
	...decided that a risk and a cost decision on their part did not require them.
	They didn't put in the logins that were necessary to protect the system.
	I can't answer that specifically.
	I can just give you some of the reasons I've seen that people are not continuing to have the historical logs because of the volume of data.
	You know, there's millions of net flow records that happen a day, and that does require quite a bit of storage.
	Okay, millions of NetFlow records a day, which does require quite a bit of storage.
	So let's say there's 100 million.
	About 100 million lines of logging.
	I'll ask the chat room.
	What file size would that take to store 100 million lines of log?
	If each line was a megabyte, it would be 100 gigs.
	Yeah.
	So the letter that...
	No, it would be 100 megabytes.
	No, no.
	Oh, 100 million.
	Yes, exactly.
	Yeah, 100 gigs.
	You're right.
	It was sent by USIS to ranking member Cummings.
	Would you agree with the assertions that were made there?
	No, I would not.
	We did provide them daily reports as well as a final findings report.
	We went over that with the team.
	And then we also provided a mitigation report.
	And I have documented evidence of all of that.
	I have everything right here in my satchel.
	Mm-hmm.
	Mm-hmm.
	You can't get me.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	So this is what's happening with records of background checks.
	They are just, you know, who needs to log that shit who's logging in?
	It's so obvious what happened.
	I had a company.
	We were on site at Silicon Graphics.
	I was in Bankers Trust we got admin logins.
	We were punching holes in the firewall to the outside of a bank.
	No one understands that this stuff is just fly by the seat of the pants.
	None of this is secure.
	None of it.
	None of it.
	And now they can't.
	Oh, it's too expensive to keep logs.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So that's great.
	That's what it boils down to.
	And, you know, everybody who's worked for the government, we do have a letter.
	One of our producers, who wants to remain anonymous, sent us a copy of the note.
	Oh, that they sent it around to everybody.
	Now, I'm going to, I'll probably clear this with him, but I'm going to put the entire note that everybody, everybody got this note that was in the government.
	I'm going to put it in the next newsletter.
	Oh, nice.
	As an attachment.
	Well, not an attachment.
	It'll have to be actually in the newsletter.
	Yeah, I think, yeah.
	I know a link.
	I'll link.
	It'll be a link in the newsletter to a file.
	But why don't you do a block quote?
	A block quote?
	Yeah, in the newsletter.
	You know, like a little block quote.
	What's a block quote got to do with putting the newsletter in there?
	No, but you put the part of that email you put in a block quote.
	Well, you always do block quotes.
	What's a block quote?
	It's a little block of quote.
	Oh yeah, I can do that, but this is a four-pager.
	Oh, okay.
	No, we can't do that.
	Link, you're right.
	Link is better.
	But he's got all the stuff in here, and I don't, and I'll take, he's got his name, he's got all the stuff, he's got redacted stuff, so you can't figure this out, I hope.
	And I'm going to assume that I can just run this, and he remains anonymous.
	But this came from the United States Office of Personnel Management, from the Chief Information Officer, who we just heard from.
	I'm writing to inform you that U.S. Office OPM recently became aware of a cybersecurity incident affecting its systems and data that may have exposed your personal information.
	Squirrel!
	Now, the woman just said there was no personal information exposed, but this letter says otherwise.
	Well, this is from the second breach.
	The first breach that was only the blueprints were stolen.
	Every time they took a breach, they took more passwords.
	Do you know how much additional funding they asked for to shore up their system?
	I can't imagine.
	$50 million.
	I guess to implement log files.
	And then, I didn't clip this, but one of the representatives said, you know, we gave CIA, to build their system, $600 million.
	These are insane amounts.
	Yeah.
	This is insane.
	Especially if they don't work.
	They say, oh, it's militarized.
	It's more secure.
	No, it's not.
	It's less secure.
	These guys are boneheads.
	And they're lying.
	Yeah, and then they're lying, and then they have the uptalker in there to make things worse.
	I like her.
	And take it.
	I have everything in my satchel.
	I have proof of everything.
	Just terrible.
	Yep, yep, yep.
	That's your government dollars at work, people.
	And soon to hand off another half a billion dollars, I'm sure, for a database.
	All Oracle, I might add.
	Oracle running on Windows Server 2003 or Windows Server 2008.
	Or it's like what the Navy's got right now, which is a disaster waiting to happen.
	The entire U.S. Navy's running on XP. They refuse to upgrade.
	It's a big scandal because they're paying Microsoft millions of dollars a year.
	For support.
	Because Microsoft said, we'll stop supporting it.
	If you want, you absolutely have to need support.
	You can pay us, and we'll give you support.
	So there's a team at Microsoft that's dedicated pretty much to the Navy's contract, and they're supporting XP on the fly as the thing slowly falls apart.
	It's ridiculous.
	That's probably why Microsoft did that in the first place.
	Oh, I'm sure there was some element.
	If I were Microsoft, I'd do that.
	That's a smart move.
	Yeah, I got an idea.
	Let's charge these guys for support that we won't give away for free anymore.
	Perfect.
	You won't hear this discussed on any tech horny show, I'm pretty sure.
	Certainly not the log file issue.
	That's just insane.
	I have better log files than the U.S. government on my own email server.
	Yeah.
	What does it take?
	Nothing.
	Does it cost you a fortune?
	No.
	A log file.
	A log file.
	It's just like a line.
	You could do log files for a year and not use up a gigabyte.
	Yeah.
	And it's highly compressible.
	You know, log files are tech, so you can compress the crap out of them.
	Slam it down to nothing.
	Yeah.
	Well, if we were running the show, we'd know what to do.
	But we've got a different show to run.
	Yeah, well, there's a couple things we need to catch up on.
	Okay.
	A couple of things.
	One of the things is the Benghazi thing, which is going to be a thorn in the side of Hillary.
	I didn't know it was back on the agenda.
	Well, no, what's going on in the background, it's not really back on the agenda and never will because it looks like they've sent the hit squads out to take care of people.
	Now, let's play this clip.
	As soon as I heard this, I said, uh-oh, if you guys know anything, if anybody out there knows anything, you better either get a dead man switch or something because you've had it.
	Okay.
	The Pentagon has announced a U.S. airstrike in northern Iraq killed an operative with the self-proclaimed Islamic State.
	Ali Ani al-Harzi was labeled a person of interest in the 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, and was accused of recruiting North African fighters.
	He was apparently killed by a drone near Mosul last week.
	Oh, no!
	Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi.
	There we go.
	There's your cruise missile.
	So that's one down.
	I don't know nothing!
	Oh, dang.
	All right.
	So I'm just warning people.
	Yeah.
	Michael Wolfe, I guess he's a media critic and he's a book writer and he's done a lot of, he's kind of a high-end, one of these high-end guys who wrote the biography of Rupert Murdoch and people like that.
	Oh, yes, I know who he is, yeah.
	He's a famous guy.
	So I got a kick out of this.
	He's an elite hagiographer.
	He's a very elite.
	Yeah.
	But I got this kick, which is another thing you won't hear on the normal tech shows.
	I got this kick out of this commentary he made about net neutrality.
	Play the Michael Wolff clip.
	What do you think of the president and net neutrality?
	Wait a minute, is this Charlie?
	Yeah, it's on Charlie Rose.
	Nice.
	Okay.
	I think net neutrality is one of those other issues in which the smoke hasn't cleared.
	And I would say that when it clears, the digital guys will be surprised because what they have done is...
	Digital has always been an unregulated business.
	By creating this, the net neutrality laws, they suddenly become regulated.
	And regulation then becomes a game of who has the best lawyers.
	And I'm going to tell you.
	And lobbyists.
	And lobbyists.
	And I'm going to tell you, the media companies have been doing this for an awfully long time.
	Yeah.
	Well, the regulations are in effect, officially.
	Because we passed the 60 days past publishing in the Federal Register.
	Even though the lawsuits are pending.
	Our days are numbered.
	Oh yeah, for this show?
	Well, unless we get a license, but then we have to kowtow to certain government regulations.
	And it's going to really be a problem if you cuss.
	That's going to be regulated.
	I can assure you that's happening.
	Oh boy.
	We're in trouble.
	Well, we're going to have to hire somebody to beep out the show.
	We can't do it live anymore.
	We can't do it live.
	Well, luckily you are an actual journalist, accredited as such, so at least you can, maybe I can operate, you can deputize me?
	Deputy!
	Deputy podcaster?
	You are now deputized as the journalist official.
	So we had General Hayden Now, Hayden ran the NSA, ran CIA, and he, of course, now has his own...
	And now he's just running.
	He's running, yeah.
	But he has his consultancies, and he's got his...
	He has a little company, doesn't he?
	Isn't he with some company?
	I thought he was working with Shurtoff.
	Oh, that would make sense.
	And he was at a Wall Street Journal conference and talking about cybersecurity and Snowden.
	And two little clips I pulled from that.
	One about, well, as you always say, our real beef with Russia is Snowden.
	Right?
	Yes, that's my thesis.
	Do you think he was actually acting for a foreign government?
	I... When I... So, intelligence officer...
	Huh?
	I thought you said something.
	No.
	Just answer questions like that using inductive reasoning.
	I hope so.
	Not information.
	Not intelligence.
	We go to data, and then we're supposed to draw generalized conclusions from data.
	And I got no inductive trail that tells me Snowden was helped.
	On the other hand, if I go deductive on you, which is, this is what he did, how do I best explain it?
	I got my suspicions.
	But I'm not a deductive guy.
	I'm an inductive guy by profession.
	And therefore, I have no evidence.
	I just say this, and then maybe you can take it from there.
	Right.
	But then we got this little ditty.
	Now, as we know, we had this big change.
	We went from the Patriot Act to the USA Freedom Act, mainly regarding Section 215.
	We still own Section 215.org, which we put up years ago based upon what we were reading in the National Defense Authorization Act at Etiquetera.
	And this is the big change that was made as we deconstructed it is no longer is the government allowed to collect information and sift through it.
	Now the telephony companies keep the data, are mandated to keep it for five or seven years, and then, you know, it pretty much made it easier.
	They're all indemnified.
	They can pass off this.
	They can share this information with the government.
	And, you know, so this was a big change.
	And the way it was presented on the outside, the way many, certainly in mass media, but also on, you know, tech, porny tech shows, oh, well, it's all we've taken care of it.
	The USA Freedom Act took care of it.
	No longer can this be done.
	This must really piss this guy off.
	Well, maybe not.
	Somebody would come up to me and say, look, Hayden, here's the thing.
	This Snowden thing is going to be a nightmare for you guys for about two years.
	And when you get all done with it, what you're going to be required to do is that little 215 program about American telephony metadata.
	And by the way, you can still have access to it, but you've got to go to the court and get access to it from the companies rather than keep it yourself.
	I go, And this is it after two years?
	Cool.
	What a dick.
	Oh, he's a total dick.
	And then that wheeze at the end is like, cool.
	Cool.
	Yeah.
	He's a war criminal.
	What an a-hole.
	A couple things came out.
	I thought we were kind of related to this.
	One was a new Snowden, I guess, a thing that was sitting at the bottom of the drawer in Glenn's or somebody's desk, or the New York Times, which is the new Snowden revelation that came along just to needle somebody.
	British documents from Edward Snowden reveal how U.S. officials ordered a drone strike in Yemen to kill a doctor they believed was working with al-Qaeda in 2012.
	The documents reported by the New York Times and Guardian show how a joint U.S., British, and Australian program called Overhead supported the strike.
	Officials believe the doctor was surgically implanting explosives in operatives.
	The news has raised questions about the extent of British involvement in the U.S. drone program.
	They inserted explosives into operatives?
	Now, there's a couple of things here that are interesting.
	The story should have come out like months ago before the movie Kingsmen, because that's an element in that movie.
	Ah, okay.
	Which I have not seen, but I hear is a real no-agenda type movie.
	It's a total no-agenda thing.
	Nice.
	I saw another movie recently that is very, another no agenda movie, even though it's a little more high school type movie, which is Josie and the Pussycats, which has also got a no agenda theme.
	And I recommend that too.
	I have to revisit now.
	Nice.
	Yes.
	Josie and the Pussycats is all over this.
	But the way I see this, this was just to bust the chops of the UK and the Australians, because this Operation Overhead was, oh, apparently they're involved.
	It's not just Obama signing off on these drone strikes.
	You got the UK. We got our guys we want to kill, too.
	Meanwhile, the most interesting thing that took place, which is the clip, this is the clip, U.S. spying on France, which I thought was very revealing about one thing.
	The government of France expressed outrage today after new revelations of U.S. eavesdropping.
	Documents released by WikiLeaks showed the National Security Agency spied on the last three French presidents and other officials from 2006 to 2012.
	Prime Minister Manuel Ball, addressing the National Assembly, said France will not tolerate such actions.
	These types of practices are a very serious violation of the spirit of trust we must have.
	The United States must admit not only the danger that such acts have on our freedoms, but also they must do everything to repair the damages it created in the relationship between allied countries and between the United States and France.
	French President Francois Hollande called the spying unacceptable and said President Obama promised in a phone call to end it.
	Cool.
	I thought this was interesting from the perspective that this leak came through WikiLeaks and not through the Snowden revelations, or in other words, it didn't show up on the New York Times or the Guardian, which tells me, where did this come from?
	Russia!
	Of course.
	The Russians have been dogging all this stuff the same way we do.
	And so the Russians came up with some documents and they'd slipped them to the WikiLeaks folks and they just ran with them.
	They didn't care where they came from.
	And this is more of this this gamesmanship being played between this is giving us the needle.
	as best the Russians can, and they can play this silly game as well as we can.
	In fact, we're not even playing it very well.
	So that was, to me, a shot across the bow.
	I like that.
	Yeah, so what will happen next?
	Well, it depends on what we're going to do with all these tanks.
	I mean, this came right on the heels of the announcement that we're going to load up.
	I think I have a clip about that.
	Okay.
	I don't know what clip it is, but it's up there somewhere.
	Well, let me take a look for you.
	I don't know.
	I don't know your clip list.
	People know.
	I never listen to John's clips.
	I don't even read it.
	Military gear in Estonia.
	There we go.
	The United States will deploy tanks and other weaponry across seven countries in Eastern Europe.
	Speaking during a visit to Estonia, Defense Secretary Ash Carter said each set of equipment would be enough for a military company or battalion.
	We will temporarily stage one armored brigade combat team's vehicles and associated equipment in countries in Central and Eastern Europe.
	This pre-positioned European activity set includes tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, and artillery.
	Estonia, as well as Lithuania, Latvia, Bulgaria, Romania, and Poland Have agreed to host company-to-battalion-sized elements of this equipment, which will be moved around the region for training and exercises.
	I'm pretty sure the host word is so that they're not using the stationed word or stored word.
	Yeah, host.
	Host, yeah.
	Just for a meeting, having a meeting.
	Like the exchange.
	Russians see this coming.
	They say, okay, we're going to show you something here.
	You've been spying on France.
	What else do you want us to reveal?
	You want to keep this up.
	Right, right.
	So this is going to get a little no agenda, kind of subtle Cold War.
	It's not even so subtle.
	CNN was touting this.
	Cold War back!
	Thank God we got global warming to heat up the Cold War.
	There you go.
	And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C, where the C stands for Confederate Dvorak.
	And in the morning to you, Adam Curry.
	And in the morning to all ships at sea, by the way, and all the boots on the ground, the feet in the air, the subs in the water, and all the dames and all the knights out there.
	Good morning to everybody in the chat room.
	NoagendaStream.com.
	Good to see you all there.
	Paying attention.
	Snap into order, as usual.
	And in the morning to our artists.
	Thank you very much.
	Let's see, we had, this was Matt Basham brought us the art for episode 732.
	And Baron Nussbaum brought us the art for the newsletter.
	Correct.
	So Psych was the episode 730.
	Oh yeah, this was the Mufant guy, the Quaker guy.
	The Mufant.
	Great piece of art.
	Nice, nice piece of art.
	Competitive pieces, but they didn't really hold up.
	And you can find all of the submissions at...
	Whoa, who's calling me?
	Go away.
	At noartgenerator.com Anyone calling me during the show does not love me.
	Somebody just does that routine.
	Maybe it's like an autodial.
	Maybe it's a guy selling you something.
	Why don't you answer it?
	Come on, let's do it on the show.
	It was a FaceTime.
	Oh, a FaceTime?
	Who was it?
	I don't know.
	It was a 4-4.
	It was a UK number.
	Well, somebody in the UK doesn't love you.
	A lot of people in the UK don't love me.
	Well, let's thank a few people who do love you.
	They're the executive and associate executive producers for show 733.
	Starting with Ben Todman from Mount Riverview, New South Wales, Australia, 33333.
	Hi, John and Adam.
	Thanks for making the BPITU. I've recently been laid off from my dude named Ben IT admin job and need home some job hunting karma.
	Could you also please play my favorite jingle, The Magical Shapeshifting Jews?
	And thanks.
	Keep up the good work.
	Roll up, roll up for The Magical Shapeshifting Jews!
	Step right this way!
	Roll up!
	Roll up for the shapeshifting Jews Roll up The magical shapeshifting Jews Roll up A little illustration The magical shapeshifting Jews Roll up It's such an aggravation The magical shapeshifting Jews Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs Let's vote for jobs!
	Yay!
	Right.
	That should get you a job for sure.
	Colter Padgett in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, 300 bucks, stepping up after being a 33-33 for a year donor.
	Information from a former meth user on Adam's favorite Richard Quest story.
	There is a thing amongst the meth community known as only gay on meth.
	Known only as gay on meth.
	Something about it makes your kink go crazy.
	And a lot of time and then it drives.
	What?
	What?
	PayPal truncated this very important message?
	Yeah.
	Oh, man.
	I need to know the rest of the gay on meth story.
	I don't know why it does that.
	It does it in different ways.
	It truncated the next one, too.
	Seriously.
	People, send me a copy of your notes.
	Well, yes, do that just in case.
	In fact, maybe he did...
	Oh, I can look it up too.
	Yeah, hold on a second.
	Who is this?
	Padgett.
	P-A-D-G-E-T-T. Padgett.
	Assuming that he uses his name.
	Why does PayPal do that?
	I don't know.
	It doesn't do it consistently.
	I'll have to look into it.
	No, I don't have any notes from him.
	P-A-D-G-T-T. Andrew Padgett.
	This is Colter Padgett.
	This is not Andrew Padgett.
	Here it is.
	You got it?
	Nope.
	I got the donation notice from PayPal.
	Let's see if he uses an email.
	I can search...
	Forensics.
	Yeah, it's a different...
	It uses a funny email address.
	Let's see if that works.
	Copy.
	Copy.
	It's not copying it.
	You know, when you try to copy sometimes the clip, right?
	It's just a control C, John.
	How hard can it be?
	You've got to select.
	The selecting is the problem.
	Because if it's an email address, oh, you want to say you wanted to, it's just squirrel mail.
	Yeah.
	What can I say?
	One of the oldest programs known to man.
	Hey, they upgraded.
	There's no message.
	Okay, so we never got it, so that was a waste of time.
	Well, there you go.
	Good work.
	Let's go to Sir Gary, who is also now the associate executive producer for show 733.
	$250 from Arlington, Texas.
	Sorry this took so long, Adam.
	As you may recall, I tried to make this donation a few weeks ago, but for some reason PayPal did not send it.
	I thought I should start on my second knighthood, so here's the first payment.
	As I said in my original donation, I was sorry you did not win at the podcast awards and lost wages.
	Also sorry we were not able to get together for a drink while we were both in Vegas.
	I was too drunk to get to your drink.
	I doubt that.
	I am still hoping you will find time to come to Fort Worth at the end of July to accept your Podcast Hall of Fame award.
	These are those guys.
	I think it's going to be a great event.
	We're expecting a thousand people.
	The night who says, nah.
	Another PayPal truncation.
	I'm going to give him a karma since he probably wanted that.
	All right.
	You've got...
	I'm considering.
	I'm considering.
	Should I just go up there and just accept the award with grace?
	No, I think so.
	Yeah.
	End of July.
	I think you should.
	It's tiring.
	I think you should.
	I might have a show to do.
	What day is the show?
	I don't know.
	It doesn't matter what show to do.
	Oh, but Jen Briney's going.
	No, no, no.
	I'll be up there for Jen Briney.
	Have Briney pick it up.
	I accept this on behalf of the Podfather.
	Yeah.
	Make her wear a bikini.
	Have Briney pick it up.
	She'll do it.
	She'd love to do it.
	I want her to wear that Japanese schoolgirl outfit.
	She has one?
	Yeah.
	I doubt it.
	Yeah, she does.
	She does.
	La Verdad Cigar Company.
	I think it's Love Verdad in Round Rock, Texas.
	$200.
	Gents, thanks for all you do in the valuable media assassinations.
	Please, please credit this donation to my new endeavor, Love Verdad Cigar Company at Love Verdad, L-A-V-E-R-D-A-D, cigars.com.
	Oh, nice.
	As a special for No Agenda producers, if they purchase anything from the online store using the coupon code NOAGENDA, all one word, they will receive a 10% discount.
	Hey, hey, hey!
	That money in turn will be donated to the show.
	So you cigar smokers out there.
	Turn it up.
	There you go.
	There's your guy.
	Nice.
	Well, thank you.
	And finally, Hans Peter...
	Peter.
	Hans Peter Fjeld.
	Hans Peter Fjeld in Oslo, Norway, 200.
	Greetings from a dude named Ben and LA9STA33s.
	So 73s.
	This is my 33% of my tax return.
	Can I please have a ham jingle and a general karma?
	Shout out to fellow producer Thor.
	A ham jingle?
	We don't have a ham jingle.
	Well, I got the...
	You've got karma.
	Mm-hmm.
	And that pretty much closes out our section here of producers and associate executive producers and executive producers for show 733.
	I want to remind people we do have another show coming up quickly, coming up upon us.
	This particular show didn't really generate that much money from the hey headline.
	I think you can only use that once.
	I was wondering how that works out there.
	Once is all you can do.
	Yeah.
	And this is, so we probably hope to...
	But really, people should be donating for the product.
	I mean, don't do it for any other reason.
	It's a struggle to get people to open a newsletter.
	But Dvorak.org slash NA, noagendashow.com.
	You can find a button there and click on it.
	And also No Agenda Nation, I believe, has a button now still.
	That just sends you to a donation page.
	And these are, of course, actual credits, just like Hollywood.
	So we have executive producers and associate executive producers right before the first commercial break, which we don't have, but we'll just call this the A Block.
	And these can be used anywhere.
	They apparently work very well in your LinkedIn profile, so stick it there if you want to.
	Dvorak.org.
	I'm sorry?
	Say what?
	It looks sexy.
	It looks very sexy.
	Dvorak.org.
	And you can also look extremely sexy by going out there and doing the very important work of propagating our formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Water. Order.
	Shut up, slays.
	Shut up, slave.
	Okay.
	Well, there you go.
	Okay.
	Yeah, we could do better, probably.
	And I kind of liked the last show.
	I thought we did a pretty good job.
	The last show was a good show.
	It didn't hit me until this morning when I figured this one out.
	The president came out.
	Now, there was a lot of things to be obstructed over this past week.
	We had, or not obfuscated, I should say, hidden, moved from the mainstream narrative.
	Yeah, with all the bullcrap news.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Like the flags and stuff, which we have to talk about.
	Flag.
	We'll talk about the flag.
	But also we had the Human Rights Report.
	I think it's coming out today.
	Then in the Human Rights Report, it pretty much says Israel are a-holes.
	They need to be brought before the International Criminal Court for killing Palestinians.
	So we probably won't hear a lot about that.
	You know, there's other things I'm sure we're not doing too well, but not a lot of talk.
	And then the president came out with this executive order, which is, what is the, do they still do numbers?
	No, they don't.
	They stopped doing the numbers.
	We'll have to wait until it's in the Federal Register.
	We'll get the EO number for it.
	And this is the Executive Order Hostage Recovery Activities, which was completely misinterpreted, as far as I'm concerned.
	It pretty much says, well, we're going to put a little task force together.
	We love putting task force together.
	And, you know, with this task force, we're going to help the families, you know, who have been threatened to be thrown in jail if they try to pay off someone, and, you know, just all about the hostages.
	And the way it was interpreted by right-wing media was, oh, oh, well, he's just going to negotiate with hostages.
	Oh, kidnap, oh, just going to be more, go ahead, kidnap Americans.
	I don't think that is what is going on, but I do want to play two little snippets from the president.
	It was about 30 minutes in total.
	Interesting to me, and I think to Noah General listeners, he really only had two examples of American hostages, which...
	Brings into question, you know, this number of, oh, 30 hostages.
	Oh, it's so crazy with so many hostages.
	We have to do something about hostages.
	As a government, we should always do everything in our power to bring these Americans home safe and to support their families.
	Dedicated public servants across our government worked tirelessly to do so.
	Our military personnel risked their lives in dangerous missions, such as the operation I authorized last year that attempted to rescue Americans held in Syria and Yemen.
	And there have been successes.
	So he's going to give us the two real hostage situations.
	Such as the rescue of Captain Richard Phillips, held by Somali pirates.
	Tom Hanks?
	That's your example?
	Tom Hanks?
	Please.
	Tom Hanks.
	And Jessica Buchanan.
	We know that was bullcrap.
	You remember when she was in the hospital and they went in guns blazing?
	We got that video from one of our producers who was there.
	They almost dropped her.
	Remember that?
	That was a while ago.
	Rescued from Somalia.
	Okay, so that's his two examples.
	Woo, big examples.
	But what is really happening?
	Something interesting going on.
	Well, before you go into your analysis, because I have none, I do have two clips, though.
	Oh, let's do it.
	And if I have the two clips, one's Obama, hostages one, which I thought, these are from PBS, and they were kind of giving him the needle.
	I thought the piece was ironic.
	They weren't sympathetic to Obama.
	Beyond the ransom issue, relatives of beheaded journalist James Foley and others...
	Yeah, notice the president didn't mention those.
	Plain of being stonewalled.
	Last year, Diane Foley told CNN's Anderson Cooper that her son's safe return never seemed a priority for the U.S. government.
	As an American, I was embarrassed and appalled.
	I think our efforts to get Jim freed were an annoyance.
	The president heard that complaint firsthand today in a meeting with the relatives.
	Many of the families told us that they at times felt like an afterthought or a distraction.
	That too often the law enforcement or military and intelligence officials they were interacting with were begrudging in giving them information.
	And that ends today.
	All right, so he says that it ends today.
	And then the second clip, which this really kind of bothers me, play this and I'll tell you what bothers me about it, and then you can go with what's really going on.
	Now, Mr.
	Obama has ordered a series of changes to include creating an intergovernment agency fusion cell for hostage recovery.
	Naming a special State Department envoy to deal with foreign governments on hostage matters.
	And establishing an issue manager in the intelligence community to declassify information for family members.
	The president acknowledges the families are right to be skeptical, but he is promising there will be accountability.
	Okay, what bothers you?
	What bothers me is here we are trying to shrink government and save money.
	They add new positions.
	The guys that were doing this same job, in other words, coordinating, interfacing, let's say, with the families, shouldn't be the big douchebags they are.
	And they should have just been given different walking orders or different orders.
	They should have gotten walking papers afterwards.
	But we have a bunch of douchebags that irk the families and they're threatening to sue them or all the rest.
	And Obama says, well, we're not going to do that anymore either.
	Those guys are the guys that should have been doing the interview.
	You don't have to hire new people.
	What's the new people going to do?
	Ah.
	I just found the whole thing annoying unless there's something else that I missed, which is what I think you're going to tell me.
	I think so.
	I think there is.
	And it was really one word that made me dive into it.
	But also, if this was a long speech, I understand.
	At first I thought, oh, it's just to cover up any other news that we don't want to have out there.
	This will bring some families in.
	We get some human interest stories.
	That's typically how it works.
	Here's this second piece I pulled from his announcement.
	At the operational level, we're creating for the first time one central hub where experts from across the government will work together side by side as one coordinated team to find American hostages and bring them home safely.
	In fact, this fusion cell located at the FBI is already up and running.
	And we're designating a new official in the intelligence community to be responsible for coordinating the collection, analysis, and rapid dissemination of intelligence related to American hostages so we can act on that intelligence quickly.
	You can probably guess what term caught my ear.
	No, what?
	Fusion cell.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's like, what does that mean?
	Okay, so we have fusion centers.
	We know we've had these for a while.
	This is the cyber-sharing information where local communities, local law enforcement agencies, even clergy, everyone's bringing, you know, where companies will share their information with the government.
	These are all the cyber-sharing laws, information-sharing laws under complete indemnification.
	So I'm like, what is this fusion cell?
	What exactly is going on here?
	And as you know, executive orders, typically they relate to previous executive orders.
	So I'm reading through the executive orders I do on Wednesday nights along with my medical journals.
	And I see here we have something called the HRFC. This will be the Hostage Recovery Fusion Cell.
	So that is the official name, HRFC. And there's who will be in it.
	So, of course, Department of State, Treasury, Defense, Justice, National Intelligence, Central Intelligence Agency, FBI, and other agencies as the President or Attorney General acting through the Director of FBI from time to time may designate.
	So this is an FBI operation.
	This is not a Department of Homeland Security, although, of course, they fall under the umbrella, but this is an FBI fusion cell, which is not the same as the fusion centers.
	I believe the fusion centers are run by DHS. So let me see what the guidances of the HRFC. Identify, recommend hostage recovery options, coordinate efforts by participating agencies, assess and track all hostage takings.
	Oh, number four.
	Provide a forum for intelligence sharing and, with the support of the Director of National Intelligence, coordinate the declassification of relevant information.
	But really, I thought the intelligence sharing was the interesting word there.
	And I was just searching around for terms that I found in this executive order, and I come across Section 2.3 of one of my favorite executive orders, Executive Order 12333.
	This is the big one.
	This is the one that really...
	This is the classic.
	This is the classic.
	Enabled by...
	Which president?
	Was it Bush?
	I think it was Reagan, wasn't it?
	I think you're right.
	1981.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so that's Reagan.
	Right.
	And in this, under Section 2.3, collection of information, agencies within the intelligence community are authorized to collect, retain, or disseminate information concerning United States persons only in accordance with the procedures established by the head of the agency, concerned and approved by the Attorney General, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	These procedures shall permit collection, retention, and dissemination of the following types of information.
	And then under Heading D, information needed to protect the safety of any persons or organizations, including those who are targets, victims, or hostages of international terrorist organizations.
	This is now an uber-spy center.
	This fusion cell.
	This HRFC. Because now we have an official entity already up and running before the executive.
	Normally an executive order gives you six months or a year to get everything into place.
	No.
	It's already up and running.
	This is going to be the central spying cell, fusion cell of the FBI, where they are allowed to collect information to protect the safety of any persons or organizations who may be targets or hostages or victims of international terrorist organizations. where they are allowed to collect information to protect the That could be you and I.
	We could be targets.
	Who can't say that we're not a target?
	So I think this is right on the heels of the removal of Section 215.
	We've opened up this new little secretive thing here in the background, which will be under the auspices of, oh, let's help people get their family members back.
	But it's really a big spying center.
	That's cute.
	It's well executed, I think.
	Yeah.
	Well, you know, because they could just cut to the chase and find the hackers that took those OPM files and they would get most of the information they're looking for, which I'm now beginning to think the Russians were behind that, too.
	But who knows?
	All right.
	I like it.
	We have to keep an eye on this.
	Yeah, the fusion cell.
	So Obama got his fast track somehow.
	And there's an explanation for it on the NewsHour, and I want you to...
	You really do have to listen to this, because I want you to...
	Because there's a logical inconsistency about the report that she's very adamant.
	The woman who comes on and discusses this, she's a regular on the NewsHour.
	She's like the government correspondent.
	The NewsHour is just knocking out of the park for us, aren't they?
	Once in a while, they get hot.
	And she analyzes this, and what she says on the surface makes no sense But it's probably what happened, and it makes you really wonder.
	But anyway, play Fast Track, and then we'll talk about it.
	The Senate is expected to vote today to give President Obama...
	Oh, wait a minute.
	That's the wrong one.
	That is...
	Well, play that, because that is the Democracy Now!
	report on Fast Track, which also is worth listening to.
	What is the other one so I can queue it up?
	I'm looking for it.
	The Senate is expected to vote today to give President Obama fast-track trade negotiating authority to speed up new trade deals, including the TPP, the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
	The secretive TPP deal involves 12 countries and nearly 40 percent of the global economy.
	On Tuesday, the Senate voted 60 to 37 to end debate on the measure, setting up today's final vote.
	President Obama has made the TPP one of his top priorities in his final term, aligning himself with the Republican leadership, despite strong opposition to the deal from some of his traditional allies, including labor unions, environmentalists and consumer groups.
	In the end, 13 Democrats sided with Republicans to give Obama the fast-track authority.
	The 13 Democrats are Michael Bennett of Colorado, Maria Cantwell of Washington, Tom Carper and Chris Coons of Delaware, Dianne Feinstein of California, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Bill Nelson of Florida, Tim Cain of Virginia, Claire McCaskill of Missouri, Patty Murray of Washington, Jean Shaheen of New Hampshire, Mark Warner of Virginia, and Ron Wyden of Oregon.
	Five Republicans voted against the fast-track measure, including two presidential candidates, Ted Cruz of Texas and Rand Paul of Kentucky.
	So let's kill them all!
	I think there was a funny report because she names names.
	Yeah, that's new.
	Which everyone should do.
	Yeah, I like it.
	Well, here's the screwball one.
	The clip is trade bill passed with weird conclusions.
	After weeks of negotiation, the Senate voted today to approve one of the president's top priorities, permission to pave a speedy path toward an international trade deal.
	The Fast Tracks Trade Promotion Authority would require the full text of any trade deal to be made public.
	It would give Congress up to 90 days to vote it up or down.
	And it would ban Congress from amending the trade deal.
	It was a big turnaround on Capitol Hill and a big victory for the president.
	Political Director Lisa Desjardins joins me now to explain how it happened.
	This is literally the phoenix rising from the ashes.
	That's exactly right.
	What a turnaround from last week when all of this blew up in the House.
	Now the Senate took it on, and here's what happened, Gwen.
	Change in strategy.
	Last week, those who supported this idea put together something Republicans like, which is this fast-track trade authority, with something Democrats like, which is assistance to workers who lose their job.
	Coupled those together.
	Well, Democrats realized there was a flaw there.
	They voted against the one part that they were expected to vote for, and the whole thing crumbled.
	Now, do-over, and instead the people who support this, including the president, have taken those two issues separately, and today's vote was on fast-track authority only.
	It had the votes last week, it had just a couple votes less this week, but it has made final passage.
	And this time they linked it to something else that members wanted.
	That's right.
	What they've done here is they've added to that second piece, which they've separated, the worker assistance.
	They've placed that inside a bill for an African trade deal that is very popular with, guess who?
	The Black Caucus Democrats in the House.
	They're not going to vote against that.
	We told.
	We had that before democracy now.
	Hold on a second.
	Here's the problem I'm having with this factual, I'm sure this is exactly what happened, but when they voted against the Fast Track the first time, when the assistance bill was attached to it, it was thought that, well, with the assistance bill attached to it, the Democrats are going to have to vote for Fast Track.
	And the Democrats all voted no, and then they said, well, it's a shame that the assistance bill wasn't passed because we had to throw that away.
	We had to throw away the baby with the bathwater because we had to stop this fast track.
	So they separate the two.
	And then they vote the Fast Track in, A, which is what?
	Why would you vote it in when it's not attached to anything?
	And then they had to move the assistance bill to an African bill to get the Black Caucus all worked up, so you gotta vote for it now.
	In other words, initially the Democrats were voting against the assistance bill using the Fast Track as an excuse.
	They don't want to help the workers.
	This is bullcrap.
	They lied.
	Should I go over this again?
	No!
	I didn't know if I was going to play the pet peeve or not.
	I was in limbo.
	It's not really a peeve.
	No, it's just...
	I was stunned, and nobody has pointed this out.
	That apparently, when Fast Track was attached to assistance, they voted no, but once you remove the assistance, which everyone says that's what we're for, then it got voted in.
	Are you kidding me?
	How could the labor in this country vote Democrat for anything?
	We're messed up.
	We're messed up, man.
	Hello?
	I'm stunned.
	Oh, I thought I lost you.
	I was stunned.
	I couldn't talk.
	Well, I was stunned by the entire country going apeshit over a flag.
	This is where, yes, I have a cup.
	My favorite clip, I want to just play this right off the bat, which is the S.C. Hick on flag, so we get the basis for this whole discussion.
	And the Lord don't want that flag flying on our statehouse grounds.
	The Lord.
	It's time for the Senate and the House to act, and if they don't do it today, the word will be that we'll be back.
	All right.
	Okay, there you go.
	That's the basis of the conversation.
	Here is the CBS This Morning rundown of the issue with the flag.
	Pressure is also mounting in the business community, as chain stores and online retailers announced they're pulling Confederate items from shelves and websites.
	Sears, eBay, Amazon, and Kmart joined retail giant Walmart in halting all sales.
	This was a massacre in a church, and the business community understands that.
	And I think as we enter the 21st century, businesses are more sensitive and socially conscious, and I think that's what we've witnessed.
	This is cultural Marxism at its best, and I'd like to review you being our staff historian, John.
	But the confederate, the confederacy, the way it is, what is not being discussed, which I think is just incorrect, the confederacy, was this only about hating black people and having them as slaves?
	Was that the only thing the confederacy was about?
	Was that the core of the confederacy?
	Was that what the South, what the Civil War was all about, was only about slaves?
	If you run in, if you, there's a book by Kenneth Stamp who discusses, discusses what was going on during the era.
	No, it's not.
	It wasn't about, in fact, it began as a state's rights thing.
	We said, we don't, don't need it.
	We can't be pushed around technically by the federal government.
	They were against the idea.
	And South Carolina was the number one troublemaker.
	They're the ones who started the civil war by blowing up Fort Sumter.
	And once that began, then everyone said, yeah, we're not going to be pushing.
	We don't need to be told what to do.
	It's still part of that.
	I mean, because the Tenth Amendment was the basis for not being able to tell people what to do.
	And the slave issue was, I'd say, after we reanalyzed it and reanalyzed it historically over and over again, was at the crux of the matter, and it triggered some of this.
	But there was a lot of different reasons that it began at the time.
	And you have to read the documents from the era and what people were worked up about.
	And one of the things which comes out if you read Karl Marx's discussion of the Civil War, which I didn't realize.
	When I read it, I went, oh, jeez, no one ever discusses this part, is that slave owners had certain percentage of...
	If you had 100 slaves, you also picked up a couple extra votes.
	You could vote more.
	You had more than one vote in your...
	In the state itself.
	I don't know about the federal elections, but in the state elections.
	Right, and we've discussed this.
	You have a bunch of votes, and largely the slave owners...
	You could count slaves as...
	You saw this as a threat to their existence, and they voted to get this war going.
	And, of course, they didn't fight it.
	They had the peons, the guy who, like you just heard there a minute ago...
	Moaning and groaning.
	Fight the war and die.
	It's a very complex subject and it was called the war between the states and still referred to that mostly in the south.
	But it was called that during the war too.
	It's very disappointing that no one brings this up.
	Well, then again, South Carolina has a state flag.
	It's got a palmetta tree and a moon on it.
	It's a very funny flag.
	It's cute.
	I don't know why they're running this flag anyway.
	It's always, I don't care.
	It's not my business.
	I don't live in South Carolina.
	But this flag seems gratuitous.
	And it's been a point of debate forever.
	For a long time.
	Now it's taken on a...
	What will this big win get us?
	I mean, it only makes people matter at each other.
	It's only more divisive.
	It's divisive.
	Yeah.
	And now the joke of it is everyone's taking these items off of...
	Like somebody pointed out, this could be...
	I haven't looked it up.
	I haven't tried to find a KKK flag.
	But those are still available.
	Nazi memorabilia is still available on a lot of these sites that are taking away the Confederate flag.
	That's okay.
	How about the Russian flag?
	We should get rid of that, too.
	The Russian flag's got to go in North Korea.
	Yeah.
	We do not need...
	This is the governor.
	...to declare a winner and a loser here.
	Of South Carolina.
	Yeah.
	We respect freedom of expression.
	And for those who wish to show their respect for the flag on their private property, no one will stand in your way.
	But the statehouse is different.
	So that's an important distinction.
	You can fly it on your own private property.
	Of course, you will be deemed a a-hole racist.
	Exactly.
	A-hole racist.
	And by the way, both...
	Sorry, I said by the way.
	Both Clinton and Bush...
	But the Clintons certainly, Miss Hillary standing up there saying this flag's got to come down, when Bill was running in Arkansas, they promoted the new flag of Arkansas, which incorporated the rebel flag.
	Yeah, and there's also a lot of campaign material, which is floating around Twitter, which is the Confederate flag with Clinton-Gore, 92.
	Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I know.
	And the events of this past week call upon us to look at this in a different way.
	Fifteen years ago, after a much contentious debate, South Carolina came together in a bipartisan way to move the flag from atop the Capitol dome.
	Today, we are here in a moment of unity in our state, without ill will, to say it's time to move the flag from the Capitol grounds.
	Burn the flag!
	Free the slaves!
	The thing that bothers me is the removal of Jefferson Davis' bust.
	Ah, well let me get to that.
	This is Don Lemon from CNN who, of course, he's the go-to guy.
	All of a sudden the journalist becomes the source.
	The expert, yeah.
	The expert.
	Because he's black and he's gay.
	I guess they double up because, you know, the South.
	We hate black gays.
	Woo!
	We eat them for lunch.
	We're crazy down here, man.
	Ugh.
	And he's all in on this Jefferson, even the Jefferson Memorial.
	He made a good point in the pre-interviews that we did with him, and that is this.
	Jefferson owned slaves.
	Thomas Jefferson owned slaves.
	Third President of the United States.
	And there is a monument to him in the capital city of the United States.
	No one ever asks for that to come down.
	Is it equal?
	No, I don't think it's equal, because Jefferson was a figure who was part of the entire United States, not just the South.
	And that doesn't mean that Jefferson was perfect, or anyone is perfect.
	And our history is perfect.
	There may come a day where we may want to rethink Jefferson.
	I don't know if we should do that, but when we get to that point, I'll be happy to partake in that particular discussion.
	Oh, yes.
	Community leader Don Lemon will help us get rid of the Jefferson.
	You know, just take a sledgehammer to the Jefferson Memorial, please.
	This is crazy.
	And there were white slaves, too.
	Hey, people, if you want to go and get a history lesson, go to Hollywood and watch 12 Years a Slave.
	There were white slaves.
	People put themselves into slavetitude.
	Let's play...
	I just want to say everything.
	Everything will be now seen as some kind of symbol.
	Everything will be...
	Oh, you can't...
	Those symbols are important.
	Oreos are just as addictive as cocaine.
	Oh, racial overtones.
	Sorry, can't have Oreos.
	Get Oreos off the shelves!
	You could start a website and make that a cause celeb and you could probably get Orioles off the shelf.
	Although, it might not be a bad idea because you would get a visit from Nabisco or whoever owns them now.
	It's always changing.
	I would knock on the door with a check in hand.
	Mm-hmm.
	This is the way some of these groups do this.
	Oh.
	Check enhancing how much money do you want to get to shut this website down?
	Play it again.
	Oreos are just as addictive as cocaine.
	That's right.
	This is an Uncle Tom reference.
	White on the inside, black on the outside.
	And this has got to stop.
	This is solving nothing.
	This is just making it worse.
	And it's like some big win.
	Ugh.
	Oh man.
	Yeah, I can't live in the shoes of a black man.
	But, come on.
	This is the one that got me, besides the Jefferson Davis statue, or bust, I think is in Virginia, which is where he's from, a flag removed in Alabama.
	This is the bandwagon.
	When you have Alabama involved, you know something's up.
	Meanwhile, the governor of Alabama has joined the push to rid public spaces of Confederate symbols.
	Republican Robert Bentley ordered several flags removed today from the state capitol grounds.
	He called them a distraction.
	Distraction.
	Yes, the whole thing is a distraction.
	He's right about that.
	The whole thing is one big distraction.
	Man.
	You want to hear what Democracy Now!
	had to say about it?
	About the Confederate flag?
	Yeah, here's the Confederate flag rundown, DM. A new tally has confirmed white supremacists have killed four more...
	Oh, wait, wait, stop, stop, stop.
	You're playing the next story.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	My mistake.
	Play Rundown.
	Rundown.
	Yes.
	Sorry.
	Protests against the flag have spread.
	Mississippi House Speaker Philip Gunn has called for removing the Confederate emblem from the state flag, while Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe took steps to remove it from vanity license plates.
	Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has boosted calls to remove Confederate President Jefferson Davis' bust from the Kentucky state capitol.
	Companies including Walmart, Amazon, eBay, Sears and Etsy say they will ban Confederate flag products and Google said it would remove the flag from its shopping service and ads.
	It doesn't mean it's gone from the internet altogether.
	And now there was all over it.
	And so to bring the points home that we're trying to make, Democracy Now, this is the second, this is the one you tried to run.
	Yeah, I got it.
	This is the follow-up story, the story that comes right after that.
	And this to me was the most gratuitous, racist thing they could come up with.
	A new tally has confirmed white supremacists have killed far more people in the United States since 9-11 than Muslim extremists.
	The report by the research center New America finds since 9-11, white supremacists, anti-government extremists, and other non-Muslim figures have killed nearly twice as many people as Muslim extremists.
	Despite the intense focus by the Obama administration on Muslim communities, non-Muslims have carried out 19 attacks since September 11, 2001, while Muslims have been responsible for only seven.
	Oh, okay.
	That's, I guess...
	Huge numbers!
	Huge numbers.
	Hey Whitey, you're a terrorist.
	Damn.
	Black on black murders in Oakland are higher than 19.
	Yeah.
	And meanwhile, forensics pretty, I think, conclusive evidence that the jacket that Dylan Stormroof was wearing had patches photoshopped onto it.
	It looked like it to me.
	Well, I got a lot of different links.
	I put them all in the show notes.
	It looks photoshopped.
	What about that board?
	He's got some picture where he's sitting and it's like he's holding a flag over to the side that somehow caught on fire.
	And then he's got this almost the same shot with a stupid look on his face holding a Confederate flag.
	This whole thing looks extremely sketchy with this guy.
	And this Suboxone that he was apparently on, I got so many emails from people about this.
	Yeah?
	Heartbreaking, some of them.
	I really love that our producers were sharing this.
	Let me just bring up a couple of them here.
	In most cases...
	Our producers say, you know, it really saved my life, quite honestly, the Suboxone.
	And pretty much without fail...
	What was their condition?
	Well, here, I'll say, let me get this...
	Let me just get the right one.
	And some stories that were like, oh man, more about the healthcare system than anything.
	Sorry, I'm failing on bringing this up quick.
	I have so many different stories here.
	One of our producers was hit by a car.
	The car was doing 45 miles an hour.
	And he was put on all kinds of opiates.
	And then they...
	I'm sorry, I can't find...
	I'll put the email into the show notes.
	Somewhere I have this.
	And then eventually, they have to be weaned off of the opiates, and that's when you get Suboxone.
	Because Suboxone has two parts.
	It has one part opiate and one part Narcan, which really takes away all the...
	That's what they use to revive people who've OD'd on heroin or pharmaceutical opiates.
	And it's really great until your insurance says, yeah, no, we're not going to pay for that anymore.
	And then one of our producers, man, he almost died because you get these withdrawal symptoms.
	So there's two things that I conclude from what people are saying about Suboxone.
	A, it's really helped a lot of people to wean them off if their insurance company will continue to pay for it, which I think is a good thing.
	But the second part is...
	If you stop taking it or if you mix it with more opioids, that's when really crazy stuff can happen.
	Now, if you are on Suboxone and you don't continue, the withdrawal symptoms kick in.
	And then just add one little element to that, and you can make someone go, even without adding an element, you can make someone go really nuts.
	So, none of this discussed, of course, because the most, you know, the big advertisers, big pharma, big advertisers.
	Yeah, and big insurance.
	Very big.
	Which really runs everything.
	Oh, speaking of which, I have this here.
	This is Representative Roskam on the...
	The more I think about it, I just love the way the insurance companies have inserted themselves in between the patient and the doctor.
	There's always, oh, the government's going to be saying this.
	But it's been the insurance companies, which of the biggest supporters of Obama, by the way, were the insurance companies.
	Which are banks, which is just money.
	It's a bank.
	Because of the way the banks are...
	It's the banks.
	It's Buffett.
	Warren Buffett.
	Glass-Steagall was released.
	No, don't worry about it.
	The banks can do whatever they want.
	The banks took over.
	And insurance companies are part of a bank generally.
	Yeah, no, the whole thing.
	Warren Buffett.
	Warren Buffett.
	Warren Buffett is a huge investments in insurance, reinsurance, insuring the insurance companies.
	And here is Representative Roskam, and he has a list of all of the requests from different states for increases in premiums in 2016 when the Affordable Care Act really goes into full swing.
	For the first time since the ACA became law, insurers are able to look at a full year's worth of data claims to calculate premium prices for the year ahead.
	So this is very important.
	They are allowed to recalculate the prices.
	They have to submit the request for an increase, which of course they will receive.
	But it's based on real data, so now they know what it's really going to cost in 2016.
	Not based on any estimates, not based on 2,000 pages of documentation that was made up.
	If I recall, everything was going to go down, right?
	Everything is going down because of the Affordable Care Act as a price.
	Everything is going down.
	It's going to save people money.
	That's an important distinction.
	So we've got real data to talk about.
	The proposed premium hikes tell us a lot about how much health care costs last year and what insurers calculate health care costs are going to be next year.
	And on June 1st, CMS made public proposed premium hikes of 10% or more for the 2016 plan year and many of the proposed increases are eye-poppingly huge.
	It's already strange that you would expect decreases based on the promises made, but apparently we're getting increases in the year the president will no longer be the president.
	In Maryland, Care First Blue Choice, which covers approximately 80% of the individual market, has asked for an average increase of nearly 30%.
	In Missouri, Coventry Health has requested an increase of over 22%.
	In North Carolina, Blue Cross Blue Shield has asked for an increase of over 25%.
	In Tennessee, Blue Cross Blue Shield has asked for over 45%.
	36%.
	In South Dakota, one of the largest insurers, Wellmark has asked for premium hikes between 24 and 51%.
	It's noteworthy that in many states, the largest insurers are also the ones proposing the biggest increases, which is especially troubling if you think about it, because they've got the most data and are likely the most accurate.
	We could go on, but there are a number of these prices have real consequences in the lives of real people.
	In other words, this isn't just about insurance commissioners and scholars.
	This is about what people are actually paying, and they're paying this in the context of a false narrative.
	And the false narrative, in my opinion, was this is going to be great, your costs are going to come down, and you're going to love it.
	No.
	Up to 52%.
	Now, why are they going up so much?
	I'll tell you.
	Because they can.
	It's because the pharmaceutical guys can.
	They can take a pill that somebody would be getting and they're getting on their insurance bill.
	They're paying five bucks for a month.
	But the pill was a dollar a pill.
	It's a very expensive pill, a buck.
	A dollar a pill is expensive because these pills probably cost two cents to make once the chemical is discovered.
	So it's a dollar a pill, which in a must say you have to take it two times a day, so it's 60 pills for $60.
	But because you've got insurance, it's only $5.
	It's a co-pair.
	Everything's co-pair.
	You don't pay for this.
	So you don't even notice this.
	Oh, the insurance company now decides to make the pill $10.
	Why?
	Because it's $10.
	Just don't ask questions.
	We own the pill.
	We own the generic company that makes the generic version of the pill.
	$10.
	So now it's $600 a month of cost, but you still pay $5.
	You still pay $5.
	The insurance company picks up the rest with a wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
	And, oh, look how much it's costing.
	The rates of the medical system is costing a fortune $600 a month.
	We're dropping $595 on this one person.
	We have to jack his prices up.
	This is the biggest scam I've ever seen in my life.
	I don't care anybody out there who has some chronic ailment of any sort, take a look at what you paid per pill, not what your co-pay is, your five bucks or whatever the bull crap is.
	Take a look at what the, because on your receipt, you'll get from the pharmacist that tells you, here is what you paid, and here is what the cost of the pill is, and you see there's a difference.
	Oh, you've saved so much money.
	Well, no, you haven't saved anything.
	Your insurance company will pick this up.
	And here's a prediction for people out there who are on Social Security.
	The problem with Social Security, which is, you know, it's something, is that to get this, I think it's Plan B or C, there's the donut hole, you take out a secondary, you take out real insurance for the drugs, right?
	And the drug company, or the drug insurance company, like Humana, there's a bunch of them.
	They take a certain amount out of your Social Security to pay for the premium.
	Right now, it could be any, it's a modest amount of money.
	But they could jack it up so you get no Social Security.
	This whole thing may be designed to scam the Social Security system, so they take all of your Social Security.
	I like it.
	And I don't see any reason why that's not the plan.
	I like it.
	It's kind of the Greek model.
	Just take away everything from the citizens.
	Leave them with nothing but the Kardashians on cable.
	Talking about the Greeks.
	Yeah, we got an email from the ex-banker from New York who rescinded his initial prognostication about the Grexit.
	And he said, oh, I didn't expect them to tap in to steal the pension funds.
	He says, oh, okay.
	Well, I guess it's not going to happen.
	And he said in the email, he said, okay, they're going to kick the can down the road, which is what you said.
	So I give you 100% props.
	Thank you.
	I'll play a little clip.
	A final proposal by Greece's international creditors is being put to Eurozone finance ministers with time fast running out to reach agreement and avert a debt default.
	Ahead of an EU summit in Brussels, Athens missed a mid-morning deadline to propose a workable reform plan as talks resumed after breaking up in failure last night.
	We are optimistic until the last second that there will be a conclusion.
	I want to honour here the role of the president of the European Commission, who is in the best sense, the honest broker of the interest of the Greek people, of the member states of the Eurozone as a whole, and the interest of the communitarian institutions. and the interest of the communitarian institutions.
	Greece's lenders set the deadline to unlock new funding and averted default next Tuesday.
	There's said to be exasperation over Athens' refusal to compromise on some matters.
	So Larry Summers was on the Charlie Roche show.
	And Larry Summers was...
	The Department of Secretary of the Treasury for years under Bush, I think.
	Is he the guy who keeps falling asleep in meetings?
	I don't know that he does, but he might.
	But we never liked him.
	He was one of those guys we didn't like because he was lousy and he wasn't like the stutterer, that other guy, the bald guy, but this two-ball guy.
	But he was always, you know, he had certain things to say.
	He was probably better than the other guy who sounded like the beaver on the Leave it to Beaver show.
	So Summers is actually another one that used to be the head of Goldman and all the rest.
	But he's actually interesting when he discusses things like Greece.
	So I have two clips.
	I have Summers on Greece, one, a debt position.
	And he's talking about how this thing probably won't collapse, and he gives some reasons why.
	But he throws a little tidbit in here that just got me.
	Greeks have to be prepared to accept...
	That level of adjustment with perhaps a bit of extra margin.
	They don't have to pay interest.
	They don't have to pay most of their interest.
	They don't have to pay any principal.
	But they have to be in a position where they're paying a little bit of principal back.
	They have to take steps necessary to spur growth by making their economy more flexible by making more of it in the private sector.
	The remainder of Europe needs to recognize that Greece is not, in any remotely plausible scenario, going to be able to pay back all that it is owed.
	And needs to create an environment in which Greece has a chance to succeed by being prepared to provide further financial support and by being prepared to relieve debts.
	Europe needs to recognize that while hundreds of billions of dollars have been poured into Greece, most of that money has flowed right back out of Greece to pay European banks back who made imprudent loans.
	And so given that, they need to make sure the Greeks' debt position can get to a sustainable place.
	Hold on a second.
	This was American money?
	No, it was European money.
	Oh, okay.
	But the point was that he says just casually that most of the money that's thrown at the Greeks to get their act together went right back and repaid the banks.
	So there's...
	It's like you've borrowed $5,000 from a loan shark and you pay back, but the interest is so damn high, you can't keep up with it.
	Somebody else gives you $5,000, you get the $5,000 back to the loan sharks, but you still owe $10,000.
	So these guys have been put in a bind on purpose and everyone's all over them.
	And in fact, they probably, you know, they're getting screwed.
	Now, they're in a situation, of course, and of course he says that they don't, they're never going to pay it back.
	And they shouldn't really be required to.
	They just had to pay something.
	But the question Charlie then brings up is, what if they just do the default thing that everyone's going to say that the bank are predicting and all this other stuff?
	And people are predicting this and it's It's not happening, is what's happening.
	It's not going to happen.
	But here's an interesting thing Summers kind of concluded about if they even thought about it.
	You point out in your piece that sometimes you don't see the consequences when you're making the decisions.
	Lehman Brothers, for example, didn't see the consequences of not rescuing Lehman Brothers.
	Long-term capital bank, was it?
	Was that the official title?
	LTCM, venture capital management's hedge fund.
	Didn't see the consequences.
	Some didn't do it.
	Many thought, you know, small hedge fund, how big a deal could it be?
	And it turned out to be a very big deal.
	So my point is, is this one of those circumstances where they'd better recognize what the consequences are of Greece leaving the eurozone?
	Because if not, you've got a failed state.
	Charlie, I could go, the way I would put it is this, I could go wandering around with my eyes closed on Lexington Avenue, and most likely the cars would see me and stop and it would be okay, but it probably wouldn't be a good experiment to run.
	And in the same way, my best guess is that if Greece leaves, it will be a catastrophe for Greece.
	It will be a serious security event.
	My best guess is it won't be a grand financial disaster.
	I agree.
	But there's a chance that I'm wrong, just like the people were wrong about Lehman, and just like the people were wrong about LTCM, and just like people were wrong in thinking subprime was a well-contained small problem.
	And so there are some experiments you just don't want to run.
	The risk is too great.
	The risk is too great.
	And I think that that would be, for me, the controlling reality.
	Now, look, of course...
	Okay.
	You know, it sounds to me like this is a great game to play, as you pointed out.
	If you just keep shoveling money in and you get the loan sharks in, everyone just make double their money.
	And you used the word game, and Horowitz pointed out in the last DH Unplugged that that finance head, that screwball guy that was from...
	The Texan.
	The Texan guy that's really Greek.
	His whole...
	He's a PhD.
	His whole...
	His real emphasis is on game theory.
	Yes, I remember we played clips of him about that.
	Yes, he's a game theorist.
	So whatever he does, he's right.
	And I think Summer said it.
	They're not going to do any of this.
	They're not going to default.
	They're not going to follow the Eurozone.
	He's just going to float around.
	The can's going to be kicked down the road forever.
	Yeah, and everyone just keeps collecting lots of money.
	Yeah.
	Nice.
	Scam.
	Greeks are like the people being scammed somehow.
	That's sad.
	Can't get out of it.
	Well, also, now tensions are running a little high in Europe.
	We still have the Dutch.
	Hey, man, we want our money back.
	We gave you Greeks money, you lazy-ass Greeks.
	They still want their bikes back.
	Well, yeah, there's that.
	So the Queen visited Germany, the Queen of England.
	Yeah.
	She had some baubles on, boy, I tell you.
	She had so many baubles that wouldn't even fit around her neck.
	There was a brochure of the baubles.
	It was a bauble heaven.
	And her tiara, and she said, you know, we've got to be careful.
	We've got a little bit of unrest here in Europe.
	As we know from history...
	Usually the Germans attack the French and then we get another war on our hands.
	Dining with some of the most powerful politicians of the European Union.
	Queen Elizabeth II was the guest at a state banquet at the official residence of Germany's president, Joachim Gauck.
	Why do logical people still put up with this charade?
	There's horns.
	She's got her baubles on and a tiara.
	What?
	Does anyone see the farce of this?
	Oh, it's just ceremonial.
	No, it's not!
	...as part of a four-day visit.
	In his speech, the President said a constructive dialogue about the reforms, which some UK politicians are aiming for, is essential, and added Germany will support the dialogue.
	It was made in the presence of Prime Minister David Cameron, who was leading the campaign for EU reform, and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
	The Queen, who as UK head of state, stays politically neutral, stressed the need for unity.
	In our lives, Mr.
	President, we have seen the worst but also the best of our continent.
	What was the best part, lady?
	We have witnessed how quickly things can change.
	Miniature land.
	What's that?
	Miniature land.
	Miniature land.
	Yeah, okay.
	We have witnessed how quickly things can change for the better.
	But we know that we must work hard to maintain the benefits of the post-war world.
	We know that division in Europe is dangerous, and that we must guard against it in the West, as well as in the East.
	That's fighting words, as far as I can tell.
	You know, we've got unrest.
	Well, I don't know what she's talking about.
	Unrest?
	Well, we're angry at the Greeks.
	The Germans are angry at the French.
	The French are angry.
	Everyone was pissed about the Waterloo celebration.
	We didn't even talk about that.
	No, I didn't even know about it.
	Yeah, well, it was 200 years after Waterloo, which I think didn't turn out very well for the French.
	No, no, Napoleon lost it.
	That was his Battle of Waterloo.
	So the Belgians, they minted a Euro coin.
	And a beat with Wellington, you know that.
	Bingo, boom, shakalaka.
	They minted a Euro coin commemorating Waterloo, and the French were all bent out of shape over it.
	Who did the coin?
	The Brits?
	The Belgians.
	Of course, the Belgians.
	Yeah, exactly.
	The Belgians?
	Why?
	Why?
	Just to give the needle to France?
	Yeah, I think so.
	It's time for Kale News.
	Now, I have not seen the series yet, but Orange is the New Black is back on Netflix, which I barely could watch the second season.
	But no, we'll see.
	And the nice little ditty in here...
	You're going to do a chick thing.
	It's a total chick thing.
	Well, I like the realistic lesbian sex and stuff.
	That's kind of nice.
	There's plenty of that in Oakland.
	But these...
	Hey, now.
	But these women are incarcerated, of course.
	And, you know, the one thing they haven't kept up on is, you know, when you're in jail is the incredible popularity surge of kale.
	But here's how it plays out in Orange is the New Black Season 3.
	You should plant some kale.
	I hear it's become very popular.
	The stuff that stays all day on a deli platter?
	That's a garnish, not something to eat.
	It's supposed to be loaded with vitamins.
	There you go.
	That's a garnish.
	I didn't hear that.
	Yeah, I got that clip too.
	I think they're going to I think it's something about they're going to reject Kale and bring in Well, they don't know what they're going to bring in, but they're going to reject it because the message, the subtle subconscious message is, oh, prisoners are so stupid that they don't even like kale.
	I think it's kind of the messaging that they're trying to...
	Oh, okay.
	Very high-end, this kale program has been probably some of the greatest promotion in the history of vegetables.
	I agree.
	I've got an odd...
	Here's a news item that we just play, just on a Trains Good, Planes Bad.
	Oh, do we have...
	It's the fastest train in the world clip.
	All aboard!
	Trains Good, Planes Bad!
	Woo-hoo!
	Fastest train in the world.
	The fastest steam locomotive in the world.
	While that claim can be disputed and debated, no one can deny that Pennsylvania Railroad 4427002 gained worldwide fame for her romp on June 12, 1905, taking Train 29, the Pennsylvania Special, to a reputed speed record of 127.1 miles per hour.
	They don't even do that these days, do they?
	They don't get to 120 anymore.
	That was 1905.
	How did that happen?
	What happened?
	What went wrong?
	Well, we lost our way.
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	Imagine all the people who could do that.
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	Beginning with John Stevens in Laguna Woods, California.
	It's interesting.
	They've got Laguna Hills, Laguna Beach, and I didn't know they moved so deep that they're in Laguna Woods.
	Cameron Warren in Cordova, Illinois.
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	Sir Sam Young in Toronto, Canada, 76.54.
	And all hail the annual hay titled email.
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	Peardemann.
	Paul Peardemann.
	He is a huge contributor, always analyzing European news, sending me really interesting emails.
	And we have him on the birthday list, I hope.
	We sure do.
	Okay.
	Brent Knudsen in Appleton, Wisconsin.
	By the way, Cameron Warren wanted an F cancer.
	Was it Cameron?
	No.
	Benjamin Garcia wanted an F cancer in memory of Julio Hernandez, so we'll do that as well.
	Do that at the end.
	Okay.
	Brent Knudsen in Appleton, Wisconsin, 61-30.
	Very long note.
	But he's a first-time donor.
	He's a first-time donor.
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	I've been listening to Ogena since last fall.
	Been punched in the mouth by Derek Hughes.
	Doesn't call him out for anything.
	It's enlightened him and turned him on.
	He wants some jingles.
	Those will come in.
	We should mention that we don't read all these messages and do all the jingles that people between 50 and 200 do because it slowed the show down to the point where the show is going 45 minutes of these.
	And people seem to still don't.
	We tell them that, but they still have these requests.
	But we do occasionally just out of the blue.
	Zach Pollack in Vancouver, Canada, 59-69.
	Um.
	He says, the more wine I drink, the more donations you get.
	Keep drinking!
	Prost!
	There is a Bordeaux in a lot of Costcos called Renaissance.
	It's actually just the Bordeaux Superior from 2011.
	It's got a beautiful giant Lafitte type label.
	It's got a big picture.
	It's just like the label is just this big picture and it says Renaissance underneath.
	That wine is spectacular.
	I mean spectacular.
	And what is it called again?
	Give me the name.
	Renaissance is what you look for on the label.
	It says Renaissance.
	It's a Bordeaux Superior.
	2011.
	All that adds up to me is it should be crappy.
	It is absolutely stunning.
	And it's 10 bucks.
	Another tip from your No Agenda Sommelier.
	This will be worth it.
	The money you save on this wine is worth sending to the show.
	Anthony Garlinger, $55 from Parts Unknown.
	Oh, no, wait.
	There he is again, $55.
	He came in twice at $55 from Downers Grove, Illinois.
	Hmm.
	He's got a birthday call out to celebrate the birthday of his twin human resource.
	Rio and Ryan rhymes with Kevin.
	Revan.
	The hardcore Star Wars nerds will recognize Revan.
	Okay.
	It's an extremely long note.
	That's alright.
	I'm on the list.
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	Just about.
	5, 4, 3, 2.
	With varying amounts, it's not always the same.
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	Ralph Massaro in Kirkland, Washington.
	50.
	These are all $50 donors from here on.
	Michael Britton.
	I do have a note that I have to go get.
	Michael Britton.
	You want me to read them and then you go get the note?
	Let me get down to it.
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	Mark Hackett in Downington, Pennsylvania.
	There's a couple Pennsylvanians right after another.
	Sandy Geisler in Watkinsville, Georgia.
	Then we have Stolowski.
	Yeah, Macy Stolowski from Alberta.
	Candace Harris in Munster, Ontario.
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	Patrick...
	Oh, it's Sir Patrick Metcom in New York City, I believe.
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	Eric Von Martyr in Spring Hill something.
	These are all crazy characters.
	Thanks, Peter.
	Florida.
	Um...
	And he has an RIP for Jack Van Marder.
	Eric Mann in Spring Hill.
	I'm sorry.
	John Strag in San Antonio, Texas.
	And it was Eric Van Marder that had the Jack Van Marder thing.
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	Please add me to the birthday list.
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	Once again, it's been some time since I last donated to the show.
	The analysis, insight, and humor have been outstanding lately.
	Actually, I always feel like I receive tremendous value for the show.
	Okay.
	And you are now on the birthday list.
	When was his birthday and what does he turn?
	It's June 25th.
	He's turning 52.
	Today.
	52 today?
	52.
	Good.
	Welcome.
	And that concludes our list of well-wishers for show 733.
	We're going to remind people we do have a show coming up quickly on Sunday and hope to get our numbers up a little bit.
	Yeah, we'd like to see that.
	A lot, actually.
	And I do want to thank everyone who came in under the $50 level for anonymity reasons, typically.
	Also, our monthly donors.
	People just on a monthly.
	Do this.
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	You know, we have 33s, 12s, 11s, 4s, 5s, sometimes per show.
	But it really does help.
	If we had enough of those, we wouldn't have to do a donation segment.
	Right.
	Yeah, it's actually...
	Some people are really generous with their subscriptions, and others, they just let them fall apart.
	I do have a couple of make good call-outs for Father's Day.
	Why don't you do those, and then we'll do our karmas, and we'll get into the birthdays, and we have a nighting today as well.
	This was a Father's Day from James Paul Durant.
	I don't know if PayPal cut off the message, but here's the thing for my Father's Day.
	Happy Father's Day to Godfathers of Media Deconstruction.
	Us!
	And his name is Duranty, like Jimmy Duranty.
	Although I said Durant when it's Duranty.
	And I should have known that.
	Here's another one.
	I sent two donations, tolling 201, but no associate executive producer credit.
	We have to change it.
	Well, we'll put you on today.
	Thomas Butterick.
	Put him on.
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	Execurosos.
	Assos.
	Thomas Butterick.
	He's coming in and out.
	He's a good guy.
	He said, that was, I'm sorry, I thought this was a made good for Sir Ladyfingers is his nickname.
	He put it on a Sir Ladyfingers.
	And I thought it was a made good for a Father's Day.
	So here's one from, I think we, no, this was done, this was already done.
	Okay, I think that covers it.
	Anyone else that didn't get covered, let us know.
	All right, a couple of jingles to play to make everyone satisfied.
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	We need a bigger table.
	Eh, you can get a bigger table.
	Just a little bit bigger.
	Go to noagendanation.com slash rings and pick up your...
	Pick it up.
	Yeah, well, your ring.
	And I guess, yeah, soon we'll have the branded sealing wax.
	Very cool.
	Branded sealing wax.
	So the, um...
	It was kind of funny.
	President Obama got heckled.
	And I'm sure you saw this.
	No, I did not.
	Ah.
	Well, what I'll do for you is I shall play the...
	Now, this was an LGBTQIAAP Pride meeting.
	Do you think this heckle was like the ones we've seen previously that we've deconstructed and proven they're fake?
	No.
	In fact, this was really...
	Well, it was strange because this is at the White House, and you'll hear the president say something about that.
	And it took forever.
	You'd think that if you start to heckle the president...
	In the White House that someone's going to throw a bag over your head within seven or eight seconds.
	Flub you within five seconds.
	Yeah, or, you know, like maybe, you know, tase the guy.
	You know, it's like, come on, man, come on, come on, come on.
	This is crazy.
	Now, the way it was shown on the mainstream news and the way it was categorized was very different than reality.
	And, of course, we are the guardians of reality here, the no agenda show.
	So here is CBS. There's two pieces cut together.
	One is the tease, which, well, listen to the tease.
	President Obama smacks down an unruly guest at the White House.
	That's next.
	Whoa, he smacks him down.
	Smack or smack.
	Pow!
	Smackdown!
	Smackdown!
	So let us listen to the report from CBS about how our president smacked down this unruly protester.
	Today, President Obama hosted a reception to observe LGBT Pride Month, but he was interrupted by a heckler demanding an end to deportations.
	Here's how the president handled it.
	Listen, you're in my house.
	What?
	It's the people's house, Mr.
	President.
	If you're eating the hors d'oeuvres...
	You know what I'm saying?
	You know what I'm saying?
	And drinking the booze.
	I know that's right.
	The heckler was laid out, or was led out, and did not get one for the road.
	Yeah, no.
	That's not exactly how it went down, CBS, Mr.
	Paley.
	So there's the president saying, when you're in my house, that's offensive.
	Or should I not take offense to that?
	Oh, I don't know.
	You know, it's like...
	It's borderline.
	Borderline.
	Now, do you want to hear the whole thing, what really happened, and how the president freaked out and had no control over the situation?
	Completely opposite of what you just heard CBS say?
	Wait a minute.
	You're telling me that CBS made it sound like he was in total control?
	Smacked him down.
	Smacked him down.
	Smack down.
	Huh.
	Thank God for C-SPAN, where we can record everything.
	I want to thank all of you.
	And I want to mention that, you know, when you're in the White House and you're watching the president, there's no need for everyone to be recording him on your cell phone.
	It's ridiculous.
	When you see the video, everyone's holding their cell phones up, recording them.
	C-SPAN! C-SPAN.org.
	You can get this anywhere you want.
	What are you going to do with it?
	What happens to this video footage?
	Here's what I would recommend.
	Yeah, the videos are dumb.
	For one thing, you lose.
	I've got millions of them.
	They very rarely look at them.
	Yeah.
	Of course.
	Take a photo.
	Nice one shot.
	You're good.
	But if you want to get the video thing, have...
	Like you said, you can go to the C-SPAN archives and get the archive of the event.
	Find the C-SPAN camera.
	It's a pro camera.
	It's bigger.
	And go over there and mug.
	Mug the cameraman?
	Oh, mug the camera.
	Hey, how you doing?
	Do that thing and maybe do a victory sign or something.
	And then make a copy of that from the C-SPAN library.
	And that's what you show your friends.
	Yeah, that's cool.
	Then you were actually there.
	That's a good idea.
	That's a great idea.
	Another tip.
	Another tip from the No Agenda show.
	All right.
	Here comes...
	And this heckler was a...
	He was...
	You can't hear him in this, but you'll hear the president.
	He was heckling about LGBT immigrants who were being deported.
	And I guess that's an issue that hasn't...
	Well, it's an issue that's not to be discussed.
	Certainly not in his house.
	Advocates, organizers, friends, families for being here today.
	You know, over the years, we've gathered to celebrate Pride Month, and I've told you that I'm so hopeful about what we can accomplish.
	I've told you that the civil rights of LGBT Americans is...
	Yeah, hold on a second.
	Okay, you know what?
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	Hey.
	Now that was a great sequence.
	Let's listen to that again.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	No, no, no, no.
	Hey.
	Listen to that again.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	Hey.
	Hey.
	Hey, hey.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	Does he do that to his kids?
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	That's the damnest thing I've ever heard.
	And it keeps going.
	Yeah.
	Listen, you're in my house. - Woo!
	Bitches!
	Bitches, you're in my house!
	So you think that he'd have the upper hand now, right?
	Yeah, CBS didn't play that cheer.
	Yeah, and he should, you know, the guy should shut up now.
	I can't believe what CBS did.
	Oh, we're not even done, John.
	It's not, you know what, it's not, it's not respectful when you get invited to somebody.
	You're not going to get a good response from me.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	Hey, by interrupting me like this.
	Dave, I'm sorry.
	Now, if I were president at this point, I would be, tase this fucker, but no.
	I would be surprised that this has gone this long.
	Oh, John, it doesn't stop.
	It gets worse.
	Dave, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	And people are going, boo, and shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh.
	Let it play, because you're interrupting it.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	No, no.
	No.
	Shame on you. Shame on you.
	Shame on you.
	Oh, Bob...
	Oh, Bob.
	Can we escort this person out?
	Escort him out.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	You can either stay and be quiet or we'll have to take you out.
	Wait a minute.
	We're going to take you out.
	I have two words for you.
	Take you out.
	Predator drone.
	That's right.
	We're going to take you out.
	All right.
	Can we have this person removed, please?
	Tazen.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	What is going on at the White House?
	And what is the guy doing that he's got...
	He's just yelling and no one's stopping him for anything.
	The president is going to do the worst thing ever as a performer.
	No.
	No.
	Come on.
	Come on, guys.
	When the president says, come on, guys, is that not when, you know, when...
	Kevin Costner dives on top of him or something?
	Isn't it time now that this guy has been silenced?
	No.
	I'm just going to wait until we get this done.
	I'm just going to wait until we get it done.
	Let it play.
	No one more deportation.
	You want that?
	Support that year.
	No one more deportation.
	Okay, where was I?
	As a general rule, I am just fine with a few hecklers.
	But not when I'm up in the house.
	You know what I mean?
	Because...
	You know my...
	My attitude is if you're eating the hors d'oeuvres...
	You know what I'm saying?
	So CBS conveniently cut out three minutes.
	It's unbelievable.
	Yeah, you get the clip of the day for that.
	Even though I interrupted it and you were really pissed about it?
	You did interrupt it too much.
	Because it was good.
	And you interrupted the second round of no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	Which was like, what is wrong with him here?
	It's terrible.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	I haven't pulled.
	I haven't pulled.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	Hey.
	Garrageous.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	I don't understand how that works at the White House.
	That this guy can go on for three minutes and...
	The other question, of course, here's what's going to happen.
	There's going to be a meeting with all these losers that work there.
	And they're going to find out who invited this guy is going to be the first question.
	Who invited this guy?
	And would they fire?
	No, they'll scold them.
	Well, don't invite him again.
	But it's not just that.
	It's the Secret Service.
	Yeah, where is the Secret Service?
	They're not on it.
	I'm telling you, you're right.
	There's something up.
	Very strange.
	Very, very strange.
	Yeah.
	Well, you're right about CBS 2.
	That was unconscionable, what CBS did.
	Yeah.
	That is editing the news to make it seem like something that it wasn't.
	It wasn't a beatdown.
	Smackdown.
	It was laughable.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's the reason our show is so good.
	Who else has played that clip?
	Anybody out there listening to the No Agenda show?
	Nobody.
	Have you heard that from anyone?
	No.
	No one even has...
	No.
	No.
	They can't do that.
	They don't have the time in their hour...
	To fit in the underwriters.
	Oh, man.
	I was listening to NPR a day or two ago in the car, and I tried to find it.
	I couldn't.
	They had this whole segment about, you know, people need to sign up for the Affordable Care Act, and you get to the exchanges.
	And it must have been a three-minute piece.
	And then it was brought to you by Athena Health Group, or underwritten.
	I'm like, are you kidding me?
	The NewsHour uses Kaiser.
	They bring the Kaiser people.
	The Kaiser spokesperson comes out and tells you what's going on.
	Yeah.
	Here's another offbeat one before we get to the end here.
	But I want to play this because this caught my attention too.
	You know, Sarnoff came out and he made this big apology and everyone was shocked by it.
	Oh, this Sarnoff, this is the Boston bomber who now has received a death sentence.
	Yeah, he's dead, but he's a dead man walking.
	Even though the Bostonians, oh, we're against the death penalty, well, I guess we'll change our mind for this guy.
	You know, that's your liberals.
	Now, let's play this clip.
	This is the oddity clip.
	And it's like, wait, what is this?
	Okay, I got a thing.
	I think I figure out what's going on here.
	Did that statement from Tsarnaev, the apology, did it come as a surprise?
	Yes.
	It did, Gwen.
	It came as a surprise to everybody.
	We had heard early this morning that there was a possibility it might happen, but it wasn't until his defense attorney, Judy Clark, got up around 1 o'clock and said there's going to be an allocution.
	Well, an allocution could be anybody is addressing the court, but we're thinking, well, who's going to do an allocution on the defense side?
	And sure enough, it was him.
	In his statement, he didn't only acknowledge his own guilt, but his brother's, and that was not part of his defense, obviously.
	You know, the statement was awkward.
	It looked like he was reading it.
	It was hard to tell.
	He was looking down, and it was very awkwardly phrased.
	But he said, in case there's any lingering doubt, it was me and my brother who did this.
	We are guilty.
	And so a lot of it was kind of poorly constructed, but...
	Hmm.
	All right, here it is.
	Any doubt.
	It looks like he was reading it.
	Poorly constructed.
	It wasn't expected to do this.
	It was just me and my brother, nobody else.
	Our theory, which I still see no holes in, which was this was one of those FBI schemes that went awry, and for some reason he had to go in there and reiterate, there was no involvement in anybody but the two of us.
	And I have to assume...
	Yeah, why would he even say that?
	Why would he say that?
	What was the point?
	It was pointless.
	He already found guilty and he's done.
	So it was pointless.
	It was some bureaucratic reason.
	It was some sort of cover-up.
	And I have to assume that somebody, this would be my guess if I was writing a story about it.
	Writing a fiction.
	It would be, a guy comes to look, you didn't really make it clear that it was just you and your brother, because the conspiracy nuts are going to come out of the woodwork.
	Can you read this?
	And you're, by the way, you know, yeah, I know, you've been found, yeah, you know, you've been found guilty, and they're going to kill you, but we have the out, we got the appeal, the thing that's going to keep you from death row, and then get you out, because you were poorly represented by a lawyer that did nothing in your defense at all, zero.
	And so to keep this thing in play, to keep the game going, you have to read this.
	Huh.
	Or you're going to end up like your buddy down in Florida.
	Right, but did he not receive now a conviction with a death sentence?
	Yeah.
	But there's going to be suits.
	You watch.
	Yeah, it'll take forever.
	Yeah, he'll never die.
	He'll die of old age.
	He'll die of old age if he dies of anything.
	Yeah, but good catch.
	Good catch.
	I mean, that's the only thing I can think of because it was out of the blue.
	It was crazy.
	And even the woman who was reporting on it thought it was fishy.
	Yeah.
	He was reading it.
	He was looking down.
	Do you have a link to that, to the full text?
	Of his statement?
	Oh, okay.
	It's around.
	We have to find out.
	Less than 10 minutes to go.
	Alright, 10 minutes.
	Time to wind it down, John.
	Oh, there was a moment.
	There was a huge moment in podcast history.
	Uh-oh.
	Yes, huge moment.
	Yeah, I was hoping we didn't find it worth discussing.
	Did you listen to that podcast?
	I listened to the whole thing.
	I thought it was incredibly boring, content-free, and it really was set up just for one thing and one thing only.
	Let's jump right in on this Obama thing.
	Okay, so he was on the Marc Maron podcast.
	You know, he came right out and he used the M word.
	Gail, let me ask you as a gentleman, do you think it's okay for the President of the United States to just use the word just like that?
	I think you have to put it in context, Larry.
	There's a difference between saying it and using it.
	And he was saying it.
	He was saying it.
	So when you look at the context in which he was using it and how he was using it, I admit it was a little jarring when you hear it.
	What did he say?
	But when you put it in context of how it was used, I get it.
	I wasn't offended at all by that.
	I thought she said he was saying it, not using it.
	Now she says she's using it.
	I knew you'd love that.
	He's saying it, not using it.
	When he used it, when he was saying it, he wasn't using it, but when he used it, what is this gobbledygook bullcrap?
	That's Gail, man.
	She's stirring mac and cheese.
	Out of control.
	Stirring mac and cheese.
	So here is the actual segment from the president on the WTF, the Marc Maron podcast.
	Racism.
	We are not cured of.
	Clearly.
	And it's not just a matter of...
	It not being polite to say nigger in public, that's not the measure of whether racism still exists or not.
	It's not just a matter of overt discrimination.
	Societies don't overnight completely erase everything that happened two to three hundred years prior.
	I think that was the only reason he was there, to say that.
	Well, I could get away with it on the podcast.
	And I didn't like...
	You heard the thing?
	Did you listen to it?
	No.
	I only heard the snippet.
	I saw that that was the key to it.
	And I heard the reaction to him saying it, and that was that.
	I didn't clip it, and I should have.
	The president comes into the garage, and Mark Maron says something about...
	Oh, I can't believe that I would grow up, and then one day I'd have the president of the United States in my garage on a podcast.
	And the president says something to the effect of...
	Hey, you know, he was denigrating, kind of like, oh, it's just a podcast.
	He said something really shitty.
	I'll pull the clip for Sunday.
	He's like, you know, it's just a podcast.
	Well, you don't have to be worried about that, man.
	It's just a podcast.
	Like, you know, F you.
	That's not right.
	That's mean.
	No, I'm sorry I didn't clip it, no.
	Yeah, it was mean.
	It was just mean.
	And what's he doing there, then, if it's so crappy?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I'm sure Marc Maron couldn't do anything but what he was told to do.
	Oh, yeah.
	But he didn't ask any questions.
	Really?
	Not really.
	It was disappointing.
	It was cool to hear the president say, hey, man.
	Hey, man.
	It's great to be here, man.
	Because now the podcast, you can say, man, it's all hip.
	The kids are doing it.
	Hey, man.
	Did you tweet about the podcast, man?
	I got the POTUS Twitter handle now, man.
	It's just like, eh.
	Eh.
	POTUS. At POTUS. Alright, Johnny Boyer, take us home.
	I think I'm...
	I've got...
	I don't want to talk about Brian Williams.
	That was kind of dumb.
	No, no, no.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, we'll take you home with this.
	This is good stuff.
	This is the UN sex abuser one.
	This is the sex abuser...
	I got two clips.
	Sex abuser pun.
	That's your version of one?
	No, this is a pun.
	It's an actual pun.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Play?
	Yeah.
	United Nations peacekeepers in the Central African Republic have been accused of sexually abusing street children in the capital, Bangi.
	Bangi!
	You know what?
	I usually don't do it on these short ones, but I'd like you to accept Clip of the Day for that.
	Okay.
	I think you should take that.
	Clip of the Day.
	United Nations peacekeepers in the Central African Republic have been accused of sexually abusing street children in the capital, Bangui.
	All right, now we go to the second one, which actually has a punchline, which is more about the UN sex abuse.
	The news comes after an internal UN report surfaced in April detailing the alleged sexual abuse of children by French and African troops in the Central African Republic.
	The report was leaked to French prosecutors by a UN whistleblower who was suspended, making him the only person so far to be punished over the sexual abuse allegations.
	Yes, the whistleblower gets thrown in the slammer.
	Welcome to the modern world.
	That's right.
	Oh, man.
	This is good.
	Thank you.
	I needed that.
	Perfect ending, John.
	Perfect.
	Thank you very much.
	There's nothing like living in Bangi.
	Woo!
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