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I can't jump in an F-16 and take off.
Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
It's Thursday, October 2nd, 2014.
Time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 657.
This is no agenda.
Sheltering in place, cowering in the corner.
Ebola is real, and it's here in FEMA Region 6.
In the capital of the drone star state, Austin, Texas.
In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
And from northern Silicon Valley, where there's no Ebola yet...
I'm John C. Dvorak.
My daughter even tweeted to me.
Oh dear, Dad, are you okay?
Are you okay, Dad?
Hold on a second.
Here it is.
Here it is, everybody!
Breaking news!
Be afraid!
Hey, good morning.
I'm Carol Costello.
Thank you so much for joining me.
We begin this hour with breaking news as one man fights for his life.
Health workers ratchet up the number of people he potentially exposed to Ebola.
The old number quadrupled just minutes ago to 80 people.
Oh, man.
It quadrupled just minutes ago!
It's a fantastic opportunity and we are not taking advantage of it, John.
Yeah, it's too late for us.
No, we're not taking advantage of it.
We're not taking advantage of anything.
You know who's taking advantage of this?
The way he knows how to do it properly?
Obama?
No.
No, but think about it.
It's Ebola in Texas.
What are you going to do?
Rick Perry?
No.
Oh, the seed seller?
I'll tell you this.
If Ebola breaks out in the United States, I'm going to quarantine myself wearing a mask.
I've already got it in place for my family.
That's right.
Buy our masks now.
We've got to be selling masks, John.
Seeds, masks, everything, all in one go.
It's unbelievable.
Yes!
It is rather unbelievable.
I would have to agree.
Man.
It's funny being here on the front line.
You're not even near Dallas.
How many miles is Dallas from Austin?
It's like a different state.
It's got to be 300 miles at least.
No, no, it's not that far.
It's a good four and a half hour drive.
Well, that's not 300 miles.
All right.
Distance.
Okay, let's...
I said 300 miles.
We are now going to see as John consults the Book of Knowledge.
You said 400 miles.
I said 300.
Okay, well, whatever it is, it's 195.
That's what I meant.
Close enough.
Okay, so 195 miles.
So that's from here to Reno for me.
Yeah.
There's this, like...
No.
The whole thing is ridiculous.
Well, it is ridiculous.
This is a complete bullcrap setup.
I'm not even sure exactly what we're being set up with anymore.
You know, imagine for a moment, John, if you will.
I don't think this was really that...
I don't think this was planned because it was so...
It was poorly executed.
Oh, no.
Take a couple aspirin and go home.
Exactly.
But never let a good crisis go to waste.
That's what we're seeing here.
We need to terrorize old ladies.
We have to frighten the bejesus out of them.
That is what is going on.
And it works.
You see how many people contact me because I'm in Texas.
Hey, are you okay, man?
Hey, you can always stay at my place here in California if you want.
It is...
Okay, so I just want to place you for a moment.
We're in a disaster movie.
Okay?
You with me?
Yeah, right there.
We're in a contagion-like disaster movie.
And right now we are walking into a diner.
It's a dusty road out there.
We've rolled up in your Lexus.
And we go in to grab a cup of coffee.
And then as we're chatting about how quiet it is around these parts these days, we look up and we see on the television...
There's some breaking news and it looks like we have, oh yes, it looks like the director of the CDC is speaking to us.
As you've been hearing from us, Ebola is a serious disease.
Seriously, listen to this.
It is exactly like the movie.
It's only spread by direct contact with someone who's sick with the virus.
Sick!
And it's only spread through body fluids.
The incubation period is 8 to 10 days after exposure.
It can be as short as 2 days or as long as 21 days.
And then all of a sudden, the guy behind the counter starts puking.
I watched this.
This is Dr.
Thomas Frieden from the CDC, who we have had our eye on during this Ebola crisis.
Scare.
Yep.
For a number of reasons.
He holds some interesting patents on virology.
He is not without controversy.
His appointment was not without controversy.
And he seems to...
He is one of these guys who...
Again, John, the truth just wants to come out.
When people like this go on television and speak.
And I think he's really digging this.
To me, he is just...
I think he gets off on this position that he's in.
Oh, he's having fun.
He's on all the shows.
So let's listen very carefully.
And I put the full speech in the show notes on the clips there, so you can listen to it.
It's about five minutes long.
I picked out a few bites...
That I found curious at best, and you listen along, tell me what you think of these little things, where I believe the truth is just forcing its way through his lips whether he wants it or not.
The bottom line here is that I have no doubt that we...
I like this no doubt.
When someone says, I have no doubt, that does not instill any confidence in me.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, I know what you mean.
Okay.
The bottom line here is that I have no doubt that we will control this importation or this case of...
What?
Importation?
Well...
It came from outside the country.
But then why does he correct himself?
Oh.
Importation or this case of Ebola.
See what I'm saying?
He corrects himself.
Importation or this case of Ebola.
Strange.
Okay.
Next thing I noticed.
This is...
I don't know why he wouldn't just stay with importation because it sounds better if it was like, you know, some fluke.
Although I guess there's some messaging that they don't want to do anything about, you know, preventing airlines from coming and going freely.
Could be.
Now this...
This was a very funny gaffe that he made, and I'm not sure why he made it.
We identify all people who may have had contact with the patient while he could have been infectious.
And remember, Ebola does not spread from someone who's not infectious.
Okay.
Ebola does not spread from someone who's not infectious.
Yeah?
It does not spread from someone who doesn't have fever and other symptoms.
Isn't that an interesting mistake he makes there?
Well, what was the mistake in your eyes?
Well, he corrects himself again.
He says, Ebola does not spread from someone who's not infectious.
Well, of course, if you're not infected, you can't spread it.
Right.
So why does he even say this?
Well, he meant to say.
He's reading, John.
How does he make these mistakes?
Yes, of course he's reading.
How can he make these mistakes?
Okay, then again, here's the no doubt, but this is different than no doubt he throws out this time.
It is certainly possible that someone who had contact with this individual, a family member or other individual, could develop Ebola in the coming weeks.
But there is no doubt in my mind that we will stop it here.
Now it's no doubt in his mind, even less confidence.
And now, my favorite one.
This is at the very end.
Hold on, what is going on here?
This guy needs some media training or something.
Yeah, Curry DeVore, a consulting group.
Well, yeah.
What happened here?
Why didn't this...
Oh, man.
This is some copywriting.
Looks like I somehow didn't clip this right.
Let's go to the very end of this.
The response, not only of CDC, where we already have more than 130 people in the field, but also throughout the U.S. government, the president has leaned forward to make sure that we're acting very proactive.
Sheryl Sandberg.
What?
Sheryl Sandberg.
Lean forward.
Yes, MSNBC is their Lean Forward campaign.
But now listen to what he says.
...there, and the Defense Department is on the ground, already strengthening the response.
We're working with USAID and other parts of the U.S. government, as well as with a broad global coalition to confront the epidemic there.
But ultimately, we are all connected by the air we breathe.
What?!
Why is he saying this?
You cannot get Ebola through the air, but ultimately, we are all connected through the air we breathe.
And that was the end of his statement.
It sounds like messaging to me.
Well, yes.
You're the director of the CDC. You're trying to calm people.
And you keep saying, don't worry, you can't get this, you can't get it from a toilet seat.
You can't get it from the toilet seat.
You can only get it from coming into contact with someone who has it.
And then he ends by saying...
Global coalition to confront the epidemic there.
But ultimately, we are all connected by the air we breathe.
What?
We're not all connected by the air we breathe.
Ultimately we are.
You heard the man say it.
We might be all connected by the water we drink.
Well, that will be the next speech.
We can slip that one in.
Huh.
That was just peculiar.
I don't know what that was all about.
Well, I have Erin.
I have Erin.
I have Erin too, but I'm sure we don't have the same Erin.
She had just a million reports on this.
This one, she brought a bunch of experts on and they had nothing and they were going to answer.
So here's the level of news analysis on CNN. They got three experts on and they're going to answer tweets.
That this patient does not pose a risk.
Here's what he had to say.
It is our view that we have the medical infrastructure that is necessary to try to treat this individual that does have Ebola in a way that doesn't pose a significant risk to other patients in the hospital, to the doctors and nurses who will be caring for that individual, and certainly doesn't pose a significant risk to the broader community.
In the meantime, the White House is using social media to spread the facts about Ebola.
Officials have been tweeting.
No, I have this clip.
Believe me, I have this clip.
And posting on Instagram this message, and we can throw it up on screen.
Throw it up!
Oh, my screen is meant they're tweeting!
You can't get Ebola through air.
You can't get Ebola through water.
But ultimately, we all breathe the same air, shittisons.
You can't get Ebola through food in the U.S., adding later that the virus can only be spread through contact with the blood or body fluids of people or animals sick with Ebola.
But Aaron, despite these efforts to get the word out, make no mistake, this is something that the White House is watching very, very closely tonight.
Yes, they should be.
Thank you very much, Jim.
And now, Dr.
Sanjay Gupta is back.
Dr.
Ian Lipkin joins me, director of the Center for Infection and Immunity.
He was also a consultant for the movie Contagion.
And Dr.
Sammy Yasmin, former epidemiologist at the CDC, now a medical writer for the Dallas Morning News.
Yeah, I saw this.
And yeah, they're answering, it's stupid.
Tweets.
Tweets.
It's completely moronic.
Moronic, I tell you.
It's bubonic.
Yeah.
Mike Cletcher, producer Mike, he, you know, no one has really come up with a conclusive answer as to where the NPR Ebola woman is from.
Isn't that interesting?
What NPR Ebola woman?
Ebola.
Ebola.
Oh, that one.
Oh, you're talking about the accent.
Yeah.
Yeah, and he clipped a whole bunch.
It's funny.
The way she says it is pretty...
Ebola.
That's my favorite.
Ebola.
Ebola.
She has so many different ways of saying it, too.
Ebola.
Ebola.
I like that one.
That's my favorite, that last one.
You like that one?
Okay.
Let me mark that one.
You like the number one.
Okay.
I like the number...
This one, I think, is pretty good.
Ebola!
That's a little too enthusiastic.
Too much of everyone in the pool.
Ebola.
Ebola.
We'll play them again.
Let's take a little ride trip here and go over these different ones and choose one.
Okay, here we go.
This is number one.
Ebola.
Okay, that's the one you like.
I like it.
Number two.
Ebola.
No, I don't like that one.
Remove that one.
Here's number three.
Ebola.
Too unxious.
So no good?
I don't like it.
There's always a veto.
Okay, here's the next one.
Or Ebola.
No, that's just completely wrong.
Here's the next one.
Ebola!
That is...
It's usable.
It's usable.
It's too nutty.
Why?
I think it's...
She's yelling.
Let's hear it again.
Ebola!
Ebola!
Hold on!
Maybe if we just need it for some reason.
He does pronounce it differently every time.
We'll keep that one around just in case.
Here's the next one.
Three to choose from.
No, we have two now.
We jettisoned one.
You eliminated number three?
Yeah.
No, I've done exactly what you wanted.
Here's the next one.
Bibolo.
Bibolo?
That's nothing.
It's nothing.
What is this?
That was an outtake.
That was somebody with Ebola.
What is this?
For Ebola!
Mike getting creative there.
Alright, hold on a second.
This is, I think, the one I like.
Ebola!
It's kind of good.
Then we have this.
It is scary and wretched and miserable.
It is gross.
That's pretty good, right?
That's a good one, yes.
I think we have to combine those.
All right, so we'll combine those.
I think that last part's an evergreen just to be used after, like, for example...
Eleanor Holmes Norton speaks.
Oh, yeah.
Ebola.
Oh, sorry.
It's a...
Rewind.
Here we go.
And I do have...
Keep that queued up, because I do have an Eleanor Holmes Norton commentary.
Okay, I'll have it queued up.
Hold on.
Here's the last thing I have from her.
There has not been a lot of money coming in.
No.
Okay.
So to finalize, we have three clips now that we are going to deem appropriate.
We have...
Ebola.
Your favorite.
Yes.
That's my winner.
Then mine.
Ebola.
Ebola, which is everyone in the pool.
And then...
It is scary and wretched and miserable.
It is gross.
Ebola.
Yeah.
By the way, I know where she's from.
She's not from Buffalo.
She's clearly a gray.
A gray?
This woman is not an actual human being.
She's an alien.
It could be.
Yeah.
We'll just go with that.
So it's one.
I'm just choosing the ones we need.
One, and then the...
What is this?
Planet Money clip.
Ebola 5.
Okay.
All right.
One, five, and scary.
Okay, got it.
All right.
That's in the pocket.
Well, there's also a little thing.
I'm just going to play this clip because it's as if the three powers that seem to be involved in this, the UK, the United States, and France.
And where's Germany?
Where's China?
Where's all of these other countries in on this deal?
Oh, it's coming.
Don't worry, it's coming.
Well, they've decided to start divvying things up, and this is the backdoor invasion clip.
Okay.
Okay.
Is that your setup?
Yeah, that's all I got.
We should identify patients that are potentially developing a dreadful disease from those who, once again, only one half of the patients die.
So that means you have a minor onset of Ebola.
That's right there.
That minor onset thing is interesting.
I want to talk about it.
And those don't require such a big take care, if I may say so.
That brings us back to a point that Katerina Vitosi touched on a short while ago.
Katerina, we were talking a little bit about the fact that the UN has set up this command center.
For West Africa.
But what we're seeing on the ground is that Liberia, which was founded by freed U.S. slaves, where they're getting the U.S. military to come in.
The French are setting up field hospitals in Guinea, a former French colony.
The British are helping out in Sierra Leone.
So projects such as these treatment centers, I suppose, are not getting the same kind of voice according to which nation you're in.
Absolutely, and I think what the UNMIR mission has set out to do is really act as an enabler.
Now, that means they're not going to go into these countries and set up and run treatment centres or community care centres, but what they're going to do is provide even simple things like the petrol.
Hmm.
I did not know that Liberia was set up by former slaves.
Oh, yeah.
That's why it was Liberia.
It was Liberty or some derivative of the word Liberty.
Then why did they...
What happened?
Where did they get the French from?
French.
Don't they speak French in Liberia?
I think they speak English mostly.
The French are most of Africa, but I don't know that Liberia is one of those countries.
Okay.
Okay.
But the French, they got their place in Guinea.
And then the British took Sierra Leone and we got Liberia.
For no apparent reason.
We were allies for a long time.
But it seems to me that they're divvying up Oh, it's a re-divification is what you're saying.
Yeah, re-divification is going on.
No, I've noticed this too.
You guys take that part, we'll take this part, which can only mean the re-divification of the spoils of the country, which is...
What about Germany?
They've been left out of this.
You know...
Something's up with this.
That's very telling to me that Germany is not mentioned in the same breath as these sorts of clips.
But historically, in Africa, Germany has never had the stronghold.
In fact, we've gone down there and...
No, that's not true.
We kicked Rommel's ass.
We got all those effers out.
No, but they had a number of colonies before World War I. Okay, yes.
You're right.
A hundred years ago.
Well, when was our colony?
Never.
Have you taken a look?
We own everything right now.
That's all ours.
It's a colony.
Colony.
We're too smart for that.
Well, we were Johnny-come-latelys.
We would have done it if we could.
Yeah.
Hmm.
I find the whole thing to be...
Well, Germany...
I don't know.
Let's go over this little thing this guy said.
The Germany thing will shake out.
Okay.
There's different, you can get kind of a mild case of Ebola he's kind of hinting at.
Now there's some thinking that there's two Americans that got it initially that were brought to Atlanta that the woman never had it in the first place.
All she had was malaria.
I think she just had the vapors.
She had the vapors.
So she's not...
Stop, John, stop!
We just went from 80 to 100 people!
Sorry.
Oh, did he change it to 100?
We've gone to 100 people now who could have been...
Wow, we're doing the show?
It's people who have had contact with people who have had contact who are three degrees removed from Kevin Bacon.
They can have Ebola and must be monitored.
Okay, we'll monitor them.
She may have had malaria and that whole thing was bogative.
We don't know for sure.
Or if it wasn't that, it had to be one of these mild cases because she says she never vomited and you have to, you know, vomiting is very common.
In fact, you wouldn't have Ebola without it because you're bleeding in your stomach and throwing up.
It's one of the benefits of Ebola is you get to throw up.
It's disgusting.
Yeah.
I wasn't ready.
Sorry.
And then that's your cue.
I know.
I said, I'm sorry.
I wasn't ready and I feel stupid now, but I'll have it ready.
I'll have it ready just during the whole show.
Now, did I bring this up on the last show?
I'm sorry.
Yeah?
I wanted to, which is the third person that got Ebola.
American health care person got Ebola and they shipped it to Buffalo or someplace.
I'm not sure where.
Does anybody think it's kind of strange that these experts...
Are getting it?
Get out without catching the disease.
I thought these were the experts.
John, this is a...
I will just say as close to a hoax as we can get.
What I'm missing, what I'm missing, again, just like what we're doing with ISIS, ISIL, IS. Yes, I see the jet fighter stock footage.
Yes, I see the ICBM. I see the cruise missiles from the ship.
Yes, I keep seeing the Uvex ski masks with the garbage bag, not even real hazmat suits.
It's like your yellow rain slicker.
Right, with boots.
It does not look...
Great at all.
Certainly not for the hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of combat troops who I also have no video of.
No pictures, no video.
I've seen some kid and they're giving it water behind a fence.
Where is the footage?
Where are the bodies dead in the street?
Where are the graves?
There's none of this.
It's just none of this.
This is now being created in your mind and I'm not seeing it.
Am I rude or am I insensitive for asking to see a little bit of evidence?
We can see Palestinian kids dead.
Well, this is the...
I think there is evidence that they're not showing.
But the problem with my comment just right there is that They showed the Palestinian kids.
Yes.
So why are they showing that?
Yes.
They show a bunch of dead kids in Palestine from the bombings from these evil Israelis.
Yeah.
But they don't show us anything else.
I mean, that's where I think you've got a stranglehold on the concept that you're trying to push.
Well...
Are we seeing the one thing and not the other?
Yeah.
But they're not saying, oh, it's so horrific we can't show it to you.
There's no footage.
The footage is not there.
This is my problem.
Well, we do get some sort of reports.
I do have, we're going to go right to that topic.
Sure, we might as well deal with it now.
I've got Holly Williams!
We might as well deal with it now because I could be dead by Sunday.
It could happen, yeah, all of Texas.
I'm going to be dead.
That'll change it into the red state.
Yeah.
Holly Williams, let's start with this.
Holly Williams lays it on thick.
The ISIS capital and a terrorist training camp.
Holly Williams got inside Syria with Kurdish forces fighting ISIS on the ground.
Wait a minute, this is about Ebola?
No, no, I thought we were transitioning to the war in...
Oh, I'm sorry.
Okay, yeah, no, fine.
Fine, no, that's good, it's good, it's good.
Now, let's set this up a little bit, since you stopped it.
So Holly Williams, who I think is a jihad about this woman as the next Laura Logan or Laura Logan.
Right.
You really like her butt is what you and she shows it off in Arabic countries.
But I'm more concerned about these bogus reports.
I mean, I just see this all as fiction, the way she's presenting stuff.
She used to be, and I followed her.
I did a little research.
She used to be at ABC as the foreign correspondents, but she never got any air time.
She was always with somebody else.
So they've given her, you know, the go-ahead to make up these stories.
And believe me, you watch this and this is so...
Do you remember when there was some flooding in the Midwest?
And there's a great clip that went around YouTube where a guy is in a boat...
Yeah, and some guy walks behind him.
And a guy walks behind him.
Yes, of course, yes.
Classic.
Well, this is what I'm seeing with this woman.
Ah, okay.
Hit it here?
Yeah, hit it.
Holly Williams got inside Syria with Kurdish forces fighting ISIS on the ground.
Let me ask you, does she have a scarf on her head?
No, this time, in this report, she's wearing a bulletproof vest that actually doesn't look bulletproof.
Does it look good on her?
It looks good on her, yeah.
She's kind of flat, but she's pretty.
And she has a helmet.
The funny thing about this helmet, it's like a World War I helmet.
It's kind of a half helmet.
Like a Kaiser Wilhelm?
Yeah, so it's kind of like a helmet that is more stylish than helmet.
Ah, nice.
Of course.
I'm trying to see if I can find a picture of her wearing this helmet.
That's funny.
I want to see this.
We crossed the river Tigris into Syria.
And in under an hour, that's the last town that's under Kurdish control, our convoy came under fire.
Okay.
Stop.
Our convoy came under fire.
Another guy is the convoy.
Yeah.
And the cameraman.
And they have her and the other guy running with the cameraman following and running footage.
So he's catching all the...
There's not a gunshot five miles away.
She is not under fire.
John, we are under fire.
At this very moment, this podcast is under fire.
Yeah.
Okay, but sounds good.
Cover in a village of mudbrick huts.
Nearly all of the residents have fled the fighting.
There's no fighting.
I hear a bird somewhere, Tweed.
Do you hear the bird?
They shot it.
Cars just came under fire as we were driving along that road.
Now this way here.
This part of it, you should back it up just a little bit, because she's talking like this, like she has to be quiet.
Well, yeah, she could get killed at any moment by ISIS. The cameraman, by the way, because of the eye levels, you could tell the camera was at about five feet, so the cameraman's standing up.
And she is crouched down next to a fence that is chicken wire.
It's a chicken wire fence.
So this fence is going to protect nobody from anything.
She is sheltering behind a chicken wire fence.
Yeah, she's all crouched down.
And the camera's shooting her from above.
She's got the microphone.
She's going, oh, I gotta be quiet when I get this report because I can get killed.
So, of course, this is how we analyze television.
The cameraman is standing there like a big target with a big thing on his shoulder.
Pointing down at her, crouching behind the chicken wire.
Okay, I've got it.
I've got it.
Our cars just came under fire as we were driving along that road over there.
We've taken shelter in this village, Mahmuddin.
ISIS positions are about a mile in that direction, and they're trying to capture the village.
But Commander Omran Hussein is still here, and he led us to safety.
Hussein has just 40 soldiers.
Stop for a second.
So since they don't want to have a lot of different shots and they have a vehicle they obviously have to return to, they come running, the two of them, her and this guy, come running the same way and the same thing where they were running away from because they were under fire.
Now they're coming running back the other way.
It is nonsense.
But anyway, so she comes out and interviews the guy, and now the rest of this, and the rest of this clip, there's another clip, which is the propaganda that apparently the U.S. State Department has told him to insert.
To insert.
Which?
Let me take this opportunity right now, John.
To remind everybody, we are living in a world where the Smith-Munt Act, which was the law that forbade the American government from using propaganda on its own citizens, was overturned.
And therefore, we are seeing this type of actual, real propaganda, Gublesque, being bestowed upon.
Gublesque.
It's exactly what it is.
And I should mention to the readers that Adam and I have talked about this.
And we've...
We're going to make it very clear that the Smith-Munt Act is at play in all these stories because it's so obvious when you take a look at the news reports that they're attempting to brainwash the public.
And I think they're doing a fair job of it with certain members of the public, like the old women.
Oh, they're doing a great job of it.
Are you kidding me?
Yeah, they're doing a good job.
That's why the polls have switched so drastically for an invasion of this place.
But here's the propaganda here.
The whole thing is propaganda piece.
But here's the...
I need to say one thing about this.
I had a guy over here the other day, a surgeon.
Used to be a neurosurgeon.
Then he got smart.
He does anesthesiology.
But he's seen people bleed out.
He's seen blood.
He's seen gore, guts, everything.
20 years a surgeon.
And he's a very, you know, he's a decent guy.
He said, hey, you know, have you ever looked at these videos, the beheading videos?
He's like, no, no, no.
I don't want to go see that.
He said, shall I show it to you?
And here's a guy who has seen blood and gore and the top of people's heads exploded because of aneurysms.
And no, man, I really don't want to see it.
This is how good it is.
Sorry.
He never watched?
No, he didn't.
He wouldn't even believe me.
Wow.
Yeah, I know.
He'd have been irked if he watched.
Yeah.
He said they did discuss it in the OR the next day.
It's kind of funny.
Yeah, nobody there watched either.
Can you imagine if you've got an aneurysm and they're talking about Curry and Dvorak while they're operating on you?
This is not a good thing.
Okay, here comes the sales pitch.
This is all propaganda, but here's the pitch.
The pitch begins with the rest of this clip and then the next clip.
Ten of them are women, some of them teenagers.
It's not enough, the commander told us, but they're all I have.
Are your female soldiers, are they good fighters?
There's no difference between the men and the women, he said.
Some of the women are better fighters than I am.
At just 19 years old, Akina Akin is already battle-hardened.
ISIS has kidnapped women.
We hear many reports of them raping women, of them forcing women to marry their commanders.
Are you frightened about what might happen if you're captured?
I'm not afraid, he told us.
I'll blow myself up before I let them catch me.
The fighters in Mahmuddin are Kurdish Syrians.
Like ISIS, they're Muslims, but they practice a very different version of Islam.
That's not the real Islam, she said.
I'm a Muslim too, and there's nothing in the Koran about killing children and women.
Uh-huh.
There you go.
So we have it established that women and children are being killed by these butchers.
Not just that, John.
They're also being beheaded.
Beheading little children.
Yeah.
This is all part of this messaging.
The message, I think, is very well done.
But here's the sales...
This is the sales fish that they wanted to get out on CBS, the primetime news.
Here it comes.
We don't think they're the right ones, she said.
They're not effective.
Since the airstrikes began, she told us, ISIS has become more mobile and its fighters no longer gather in large groups.
Back on the front line, Commander Hussein agrees that the airstrikes haven't achieved much so far.
Tell America we need weapons, he said.
If we can't defeat ISIS, their next target will be Europe and the US. The Kurdish fighters are managing to hold off ISIS in northeastern Syria, and they're doing so mainly with light arms, while ISIS has artillery and armored vehicles that it captured from the Iraqi military just over the border.
In contrast, Scott, the only Kurdish armored vehicle we saw was a homemade one that had been improvised from an old bulldozer.
Holly Williams and Erbil, northern Iraq tonight.
Holly, thank you.
Ah, sorry.
I don't know where that came from.
The tally was upped.
So here's the messaging.
The messaging is...
Airstrikes aren't enough.
That's right.
Not gonna work?
Well, we need to give them money for weapons, which John McCain has been saying all along.
Well, yes.
He's such a smart man.
Yeah.
And so John McCain cropped up.
Oh, yeah, I said, where is he?
Scouring for it.
Where is he?
Yes, where is he?
Well, he cropped up on Hannity, and he showed up with Joe Lieberman.
Oh, no.
Who's back in action.
And so I took a clip of this, and it's a little bit, this is, the Lieberman-McCain is the first part of this clip, and it introduces, and McCain doesn't talk until the second clip, and then you don't know, he's like completely insane, and you don't know what he's talking about, but it all has to do with money.
Right.
But play Lieberman-McCain and get a little taste of this.
I did edit it down as best I could.
Joining me now, Arizona Senator John McCain, as well as former Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman, who is now an advisory board member for the Counter-Extremism Project.
Thank you both.
This is our first time on television together.
Is that true?
John and me, we talk to each other all the time.
Isn't John and I? Technically.
Yeah, you can say either one in this day and age.
The point that he says there, he says, this is the first time we've been on TV together where we talk all the time.
Uh-huh, yeah.
Television together.
Is that true?
John and me, we talk to each other all the time.
First time on television together since I left the Senate.
So this is, I don't know if it's quite like Simon and Garfunkel getting together again.
Finally we're here and we're going to kill y'all!
Let me ask you, Senator Lieberman, no shock and awe, no boots on the ground.
We're not at war with ISIS. The Islamic State is not Islamic.
He was warned for a year about ISIS, misses his briefings, you know, 67% of the time.
By the way, I'm pretty sure Sean Hannity is also talking all the time with both of them, from the way it sounds.
Yeah.
Jeez.
What do you make of this?
Well, you know, the statements you're just citing, Sean, to me are really disappointing because they come after a really pretty good strong speech by President Obama at the United Nations in which he took some positions that he had not taken for the previous years, recognizing the broader threat of militant Islam, violent Islam coming from the Muslim community.
Finally doing what John and I had been asking him to do for three years, which is to give weapons to the Syrian opposition to fight the butcher Assad in Damascus, and talking about cutting off funding for the terrorist groups and developing social media to try to convince young Muslims not to join them, which is what this counter-extremism project that I'm involved with has got to do now.
So when he goes on the air and does a 60 Minutes interview and some of the others...
Wait, but this counter-extremism project?
Yes.
He's one of the advisors of this thing.
Is it a non-profit?
It's an NGO? Yeah, I believe so.
Let's take a look at it.
What's the name of it?
What's the name of this thing?
Probably counter-extremism.org.
Or it could be the Extreme S Project, a global platform to enhance base analysis.
This is a...
This group, CounterExtremism.com Really?
And it is essentially to create a social media It's what Hillary was doing Oh, techno experts.
Yeah, techno experts.
Let's see who's the leadership.
Mark Wallace.
Francis Townsend.
Okay.
Oh, there she is.
And look at that Photoshop job.
She needs to talk to somebody.
Yeah, she actually is prettier than you.
Yes, I know.
It's horrible.
Who else do we have here?
Elliot Abrams.
Francis Townsend.
That's your giveaway.
Yeah, bing, bing, bing.
If you knew more about him, he's probably a bigger giveaway, but we don't.
Elliot Abrams.
Yeah, this is a...
Lieberman.
Do they have a...
Let me just see.
Do they have a...
Let me see.
Is it not-for-profit, nonpartisan?
Yeah.
The counter-extremism project.
So the question is, have they already filed?
Probably.
It seems like this group would have been around for a long time already.
No, I think there was Johnny Come Lately, as I've used the term twice now.
It's okay.
I'll let you slide on that.
For people who always ask me, where do you find...
Do not go to the IRS to find a Form 990.
They make it really impossible to find anything.
Go to guidestar.org.
And you need to have an account if you really want all the...
Here it is.
Wait a minute.
So the Counter-Extremism Project...
Brings up the Institute for War and Peace reporting.
The Institute for War and Peace?
Isn't that one of the Kagan operations?
This can't be right.
Why does it come up as that?
That's very interesting.
Okay, we'll have to look into this.
We'll find out.
We'll look into it.
I already like the website.
I like the leadership.
It's great.
It's a mission statement.
What do they do?
Usually the way to find it is you hit donate, right?
This is a trick I use.
You go to donate, and then you look for...
Oh, they don't have a PayPal.
They're using Pyrricks, the social giving platform.
Pfft.
So every bit of your money goes to Pyrrhex, the social giving platform.
This is disgusting, a-holes.
Okay, I'll work on that and listen to the rest of this.
That's dumb.
Sometimes when you go to the donate page is when you can find out where the money's going because it's not going directly to the...
Oh, right, because people can only get so many PayPal accounts until you run out of it.
Well, also, often these are projects of some other foundation.
Of some other operation.
Yeah, so we can't really find this.
Here, your donation will rally...
All right, we've got to find out where this is coming from.
And says some of the things you cite, it undercuts that.
And we are at war.
He himself said this is going to last beyond...
Why is it in a search?
I don't know.
Maybe he's concerned legalistically that if he says we're in a war...
Legalistically?
What is legalistically?
What is that?
Bull crap.
Legalistically.
Why is it in a search?
I don't know.
Maybe he's concerned legalistically that if he says we're in a war, then the Congress has to authorize whatever he does.
Yeah, of course that's what it is.
It's all about legality.
That's the whole reason he did not go into Syria.
I'm sorry, we did not go into Syria or bomb Syria previously is because legalistically the president was advised against this.
As we know, this is the number one thing that was brought out by John F. Carey He said, hey, hey, hey, I don't care what else you're talking about, but we have that legally we've got it all cleared away.
That's what it's about.
Legally, does not need to go to Congress.
And I have some stuff about that in a moment, but you've got your second McCain clip.
All right, let's skip to the second part of this, which is McCain.
Then McCain hasn't changed.
It's the same old, you know, tub thumping about sending arms over to the free Syrian whatever.
Mm-hmm.
It's a bigger problem here with this president.
The dog ate my homework routine is getting a little tiresome.
It started for six years with BIOB, blame it on Bush, and now the JV has turned into Super Bowl contestants.
He does not We're good to go.
When the President of the United States announced that we were going to withdraw everybody from Iraq.
And by the way, if he does what he says he's going to in Afghanistan, you'll see the same movie.
And that is just disgraceful.
Okay.
Can I take the baton?
Oh, I wish you would.
Okay.
So, of course, McCain is continuously politicizing this, which someone needs to call him on.
But, of course, that's really what these things are used for in many cases.
Ben, as far as we're concerned, the endgame of this minor amount of money, this initially minor setup, which, of course, is a big sales job.
Setup is the right word.
Yeah.
Is to remove Assad from power, which was always the idea, which is directly related to having a United Nations Security Council resolution, which we now have, which we could never get before because the Russians vetoed.
And this is really about screwing Putin because of the port and the transit of resources through that port, which they own on the coast of Syria.
The politicization of this is very interesting, particularly as it relates to Gitmo Nation East, the United Kingdoms, or United Kingdoms.
The Home Secretary, Theresa May, has now spoken about new powers that need to come into play.
This is very important we have these new powers because, of course, there's a...
will be introducing banning orders for extremist groups, which would make it a criminal offense to be a member of or raise funds for a group that spreads or promotes hatred.
The maximum sentence could be up to 10 years in prison.
And the new orders will be part of the government's prevent strategy, which tackles the ideology behind the terrorist threats, the so-called hate preachers, who currently stay just within the limits of terrorism legislation.
And it will be one of the banning orders In fact, the actual term is extremism disruption order, an EDO. And I have a sub-analysis on what this will mean specifically, but it is a complete encroachment on the freedom to express and speak in the United Kingdom, where already it is brought into question if watching the beheading videos by itself, just the act of watching the videos, could be deemed to be illegal.
Oh, I like that.
And I would like to let you hear her little speech where she's riling everybody up, getting all pumped up.
She's good at it, I will add.
And then I'll give you a little analysis of these orders, which have not been put into place yet, but that will come.
Yeah, Unum is all about benefits.
What is this crap?
I'm sorry.
Somehow my...
It's like a breakfast cereal commercial.
Yeah, it looks like I got the commercial and not just her.
Sorry about that.
How did that happen?
That was dumb.
Yes, we should stand up for human rights.
Yes, we should support friendly states and moderate elements within other states.
Yes, we should provide humanitarian support when wars are fought.
But we have to disentangle our own national interest from the struggle that is going on in the Middle East and across the Muslim world.
That judgment will sometimes be difficult to make.
But in the case of ISIL, the danger is clear.
They have already murdered British and American citizens in the most brutal and cowardly manner possible.
They have attracted tens of thousands of foreign fighters, including thousands of Europeans, Americans, Australians and British nationals.
How did it go from 3,000 to 10s of 1,000?
Oh, it's 10.
Why not just say 50 or 100,000?
It'll be 100,000 by the end of the month, John.
This is just bullcrap.
And by the way, I don't see any evidence of this.
Where are the...
I see 10, 20 guys in some trucks.
Doesn't matter.
Listen to her build-up.
It's a good crescendo.
One of their terrorists has already struck in Europe when he murdered four innocent civilians outside the Jewish Museum in Brussels...
This is a complete fabrication, no evidence whatsoever.
This has just become a talking point meme.
There is no actual connection that I have seen between...
No, there's no connection.
It's just a random nut job.
...earlier this year.
And they have made clear that they want to go on attacking Western targets.
That is why it is right that we are part of the international coalition dedicated to ISIL's destruction.
If ISIL succeeded in firmly consolidating their grip on the land they occupy in Syria and Iraq, we will see the world's first truly terrorist state established within a few hours flying time of our country.
Which, as we've discussed, John, would be desirable.
Because then we can say, okay, terrorist state, you're a state, we declare war on you.
I've said this a number of times on the show, is that the big fear or the big complaint amongst the military strategists was asynchronous warfare, where you'd have these groups, stateless.
Identifiable?
God knows where and then, you know, picking at you with, you know, small attacks now and again.
A state-based terrorist group is exactly what you said.
Yeah.
Identifiable.
Is clairwarriable.
Just a couple hours flight from here?
A couple hours flight?
You don't even have to, you know...
We know where it is?
Just one or two pass over?
Yeah.
Turkey has to give you the okay.
They will this time.
Yeah.
We say, hey, dudes, don't threaten us.
We'll come and bomb your state.
All right.
But for some reason...
This dangerous group, which doesn't have a Navy, this dangerous group that not only doesn't have an Air Force, but when they capture an airfield, they can't fly.
They don't know how to.
You can't just jump.
I can't jump in an F-16 and take off.
I could probably take off.
No, trust me.
You could not even take off.
No, I bet you I could take off.
No, I bet you you couldn't.
Sorry.
I don't think I could even take off with no training in F-16.
No, no.
No, it's not going to happen.
Just go.
Where's the starter button?
No, you get that thing going, it can take off, and then you're done.
And it's just crash.
Yeah.
Maybe they're crashing the end of the runway.
Yeah, fine.
Let's listen to the rest.
They can't even do that.
But there's some dangerous operation.
They're going to come and kill everybody.
They're going to attack Europe next.
What was that last guy?
The guy that was in the propaganda piece from Holly Williams says, if we don't stop them now, they're going to be attacking Europe, and then you guys in the U.S., you're going to come over.
All right.
Onward with the...
I speak to no end.
I goaded you into it.
That's what I wanted to hear.
We will see terrorists, given the space to plot attacks against us, train their men and women, and devise new methods to kill indiscriminately.
New methods.
Is there a method to kill indiscriminately?
I thought it was just indiscriminate.
New methods.
It seems to make no sense to have a method for indiscriminate.
It doesn't make sense.
Chopping people's heads off in public, just on the street.
Right on the street with a machete screaming.
Yeah, just say, hey everybody!
Hey!
Al-Wakbar!
We will see the risk.
Often prophesied, but thank God not yet fulfilled, that with the capability of a state behind them, the terrorists could acquire chemical, biological, or even nuclear weapons.
Really, lady?
Do you think, do you have any thoughts on the possibility that they have these meetings when they come up with this stuff?
Yeah, I'm going to tell you exactly what the meeting is in 38 seconds.
Okay, go.
...weapons to attack us.
This is not somebody else's battle.
They have made clear their ambitions, and they have made us their enemies.
And the lesson of history tells us that when our enemies say they want to attack us, they mean it.
We must not flinch.
We must not shy away from our responsibility.
We must not drift towards danger and insecurity.
While we still have the chance, we must act to destroy ISIL. Caliphate!
Yeah.
So Theresa May announced that she will push for extremist disruption orders if Her party is re-elected.
Is she conservative?
Yeah, obviously.
So this is what they do.
Here's the meeting.
We've got a real problem.
These UKIP guys.
We've got to put the hammer down.
We've got to make people so afraid of this shit.
It's the old George Bush strategy.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
It worked.
But my thing, you know, the meeting is...
We have a bunch of people sitting around and one reasonable person says, the public's not going to buy this.
The logic isn't there.
There's no logic that these guys are going to attack us.
They can barely get out of their own way.
They're driving Toyotas.
How'd they even get over here to attack us?
The public's not going to believe a word of this.
John, John, hello?
The public believes all of this.
That's the point.
I'm saying I'm the reasonable guy.
Oh, okay.
That would be my commentary.
And then everybody else, there's seven other guys, they start laughing out loud.
Get back to your podcast, old man.
If you don't know what you're talking about, we don't have to do any of that work.
No, no, no, no.
In fact, here is how it's done in the United States.
This is CNN explaining how the recruitment works.
What?
And by the way, they have a guy who claims to be a former recruiter for the Taliban in America in this piece.
This guy, he's on a lot of stuff.
I know who it is.
Well, but he's...
Come on, they're just showing webpages of so-called forums, which clearly this guy is managing on behalf of the government.
Oh yes, I found these forums and this is how they recruit because that's how I used to do it, but I'm a whistleblower and I can...
Bullshit!
Favorite dessert?
Answer.
Ice cream on top of a hot apple pie.
How do you maintain your beard?
Shampoo, scented oils, and a comb.
Have you ever fallen in love?
The day I embraced Islam.
These are the questions posed to an alleged ISIS recruiter on Ask.fm, a site that's popular among teens.
Approachable to the curious, accessible to the masses, his tagline, I'm just like you.
CNN cannot independently verify the man's identity.
Duh!
Then what is it doing on television?
What are you doing reporting on it?
Yes, I agree.
Then you should...
The rules of journalism state that you really can't do much with that except what you just did.
Now, of course, they're going to extrapolate.
CNN cannot independently verify the man's identity, but terrorism analyst Mubin Shaikh confirmed this man is likely an ISIS recruiter based on his social media presence.
Okay, so this terrorism recruiter, former terrorism recruiter, alleges likely...
He's a recruiter who is putting himself out there to some kid who just might be trawling, looking to see if he can cash in also on this little jihadi adventure that they all think they're on.
Shaikh would know.
He's a former recruiter for the Taliban, who later defected to work with Canadian intelligence.
Are you kidding me?
This is insulting my intelligence.
Over the last few years, he's been tracking ISIS tactics on Western social networks.
And all of this tracking, it's social, it's Twitter, it could be anything, anybody, anywhere, from anything, any who, any how, anyways.
This is no proof, people.
From a variety of recruiters, collecting Instagram pictures like this one before it was removed.
Get the owner of the Instagram account, track his IP address, and go arrest him.
No.
No, no.
That would be too logical.
We can only find people who are committing copyright infringement.
Those people we know how to find.
We don't know how to find these people.
It likened the ISIS fight to the video game Call of Duty.
Yes, of course.
Propaganda posters full of heavy arms.
And here it comes.
Tweets telling readers to put down the chicken wings and come to jihad, bro.
Come to jihad, bro.
Yeah, this is how the recruitment works, John.
Hey!
Hello!
Hello, Akbar!
Come to jihad, bro!
And then they show...
Posts that make them look like average guys playing Xbox.
Pictures of what they ate for dinner.
And now, what do you see in that picture what they ate for dinner?
I don't know what.
A big bowl of mac and cheese.
No.
Yes.
Yes, a big bowl of mac and cheese.
On Ask.fm, curious readers inquire about ISIS married life.
Do they own a house or get paid?
If I join the jihad, can I get out of this squalor that I live in here in the United States?
Can I get a house?
Do I get paid?
Answer.
They're paid $700 per wife.
Give me five of them.
This is good.
This jihad is good.
Another asks if he could join, even if he doesn't speak Arabic.
No problem.
In some of those answers, you'll see a kick username, encouraging users to message on a private app.
As the process continues, some users are directed to more secure sites, like this password-protected Jihadi web forum.
Okay, I can't take it anymore.
This is so, so, just incredible.
Bullshit!
Can't, can't take it.
Can't take it.
Wow, that was a good one.
It was almost clip of the day material.
So the president went on 60 Minutes.
It's so insulting.
Actually, before I go to the president on 60 Minutes, here is Rear Admiral Kirby.
He's the spokeshole for the Pentagon.
And he got a little bit in everybody's face about the press corps not following along with the program the way he wants it to be.
He feels that the media is shrill.
And they're being unrealistic about the timelines.
Again, we have heard this, that we're in for the long haul, people.
This could take years and years and hundreds of billions of dollars of your money.
Because, let's face it, we just sold $1.75 billion worth of stuff and other to Saudi Arabia.
The sales job is working.
We sold some Patriot, yeah, some missile defense Patriot missiles.
Iron Dome.
That's right.
No one said this would be easier, quick, and no one should be lulled into a false sense of security by accurate airstrikes.
Don't be lulled into a false sense of security!
I want you to be afraid.
We will not, we cannot bomb them into obscurity.
Even as we share this sense of urgency about this group, we must also share a sense of strategic patience about this entire effort.
And I think some of that has been lacking.
You know, when you criticize the media for being shrill and hyperbolic, were you criticizing the established mainstream media or the blog world, the Twitterati out there who don't have any, uh, they can just tweet or whatever they want?
Listen to the disdain and arrogance of the press corps.
They say whatever they want, that Twitterati.
The blog world and the Twitterati.
How about the podcasterati?
It wasn't a blank criticism of everybody.
It's just been the tone of some of the coverage.
And, I mean, I'm not going to point fingers here.
I'm looking at you, Aaron Burnett.
I just think, you know, there's this...
There's this immediate nature in the information environment today, which I completely understand, given how information and data flies around so fast.
Social media and all of it, I get that.
But there's also this expectation of omnipotence by the United States military.
What does omnipotence mean?
All-seeing, all-knowing.
And omniscience, quite frankly, to your question.
What did he say?
Be all, end all.
Omniscience.
Omniscience?
Yeah, it's kind of like omnipotent.
He uses these words to trick the bloggers and Twitterati because they don't understand these words.
This is speaking in code.
The United States military.
And omniscience, quite frankly, to your question.
Good word.
And nothing is ever that perfect.
And this is a complicated, difficult, cultural, religious, geographic struggle.
Wow.
A difficult, cultural, geographic, religious struggle.
Who is this guy?
It's John Kirby.
He is Rear Admiral John Kirby.
Is that who's talking?
Yes.
He's the spokeshole for the Pentagon.
I thought it was the guy asking a question.
No, the whole time this is the Admiral answering the question.
Oh, and he's the a-hole.
Yeah, talking about the omnipotence.
The omnipotence and the omniscience and the bloggers and the Twitterati and all these other...
Well, the question was the Twitterati, but he's answering this question.
Difficult, cultural, religious...
Sounds like a kid.
Well, he is quite young.
In your eyes, maybe.
This is a complicated, difficult, cultural, religious, geographic struggle.
A complicated, difficult, religious, geographic struggle.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
That we're facing here in Iraq and Syria.
We're facing here.
It's not going to be solved overnight, and it's not going to be solved through bombs, and it's not going to be solved through anything other than a lot of hard work and time and effort working with partners on the ground, people who actually know the culture.
And I think...
That's what I was expressing, just that there's this sense that, well, you've been dropping all these bombs.
How come you haven't defeated these guys in the course of, you know, load these two to three months with 300 bombs?
It's not going to be that simple.
I'm not criticizing that there is a public discussion.
I'm just simply saying that some of the coverage, I think, has been needlessly shrill, and the expectations have been, I think, inappropriately high on what can be accomplished just through military power alone.
Needlessly high.
Yeah, this is the old...
These guys are just...
The boots on the ground thing, they just...
I wonder who's going to finally drop that bomb and say, we're going to have to go in.
Oh, well, of course.
It's going to be...
Well, I think there are people...
So there are people meeting certain buses as we speak right now.
And did you see the 60 Minutes interview with the president?
I saw part of it, but I figured you were going to catch this one.
I'm so happy.
Okay, because I was actually worried that you would have the same clips I would have.
No, you know, I went in another direction, which we'll hear later in the show, because I have a morbid fascination with people being reamed by Congress.
Oh, yeah, I know what you're doing.
Okay, good.
I'm glad you got on that train.
Here is the president being interviewed by CBS, 60 Minutes.
This is, the 60 Minutes interview is considered to be a journalistic pinnacle.
Would you agree?
Look, I'm not asking you to analyze if it's really a journalistic pinnacle, but let's just look at people believe what they hear on 60 Minutes.
Now, we know it's completely bullcrap, certainly when they had that interview with the former NSA guy interviewing the NSA. Oh yeah, that one.
That was a beauty.
Or Laura Logan and her phony reports.
All of this stuff.
So here is the president talking about this being a war or not.
ISIL represents sort of a hybrid of not just a terrorist network, but one with territorial ambitions and some of the strategy and tactics of an army.
This is not America against ISIL. This is America leading the international community to assist a country with whom we have a security partnership with to make sure that they are able to take care of their business.
That's what we do.
And the most important thing for you to remember about this, people, is this is not what Islam is all about.
Yes, they say Islamic State, but this is not Islam.
Now, the human mind has a hard time processing a negative and keeping it in its mind.
If you say, don't forget to do this, you're going to forget to do this.
If you say, remember to do this, you'll remember.
If you say...
ISIL is not Islam.
You're going to remember it's Islam.
And also the whole name, ISIL, ISIL, Islam, there we go.
What also has not changed is the kind of violent, ideologically driven extremism That has taken root in too much of the Muslim world.
This week, in my speech to the United Nations General Assembly, I made very clear, we are not at war against Islam.
Islam is a religion that preaches peace and the overwhelming majority of Muslims are peaceful.
The overwhelming majority...
Let me just roll that back a second.
Yeah, it's very noticeable.
Let me just hear this.
The overwhelming majority of Muslims are peaceful.
The overwhelming majority.
Is that the same as the 97% of climate scientists who have consensus about global warming?
I don't know.
So does that mean there's 3%?
If it's overwhelming...
I don't know.
I wonder myself how overwhelming could be, it seems to me, if you take a vote and 65% of the people vote yes, I think that's an overwhelming majority.
I'm going to go crazy.
I'm going to say 97%.
That is, I believe, the overwhelming descriptor has been used for the 97% of climate change scientists.
That would mean 3% of the Muslim world is nuts.
Which is a huge number.
Yeah.
I don't know, of a billion Muslims, is that 300 million?
Do I have that right?
No, it would be 30 million.
Oh, well then what are we worried about?
But, in the Muslim world right now, there is a cancer.
Cancer?!
You better get some cancer drug.
That has grown for too long.
That suggests that it is acceptable to kill innocent people who worship a different god.
That kind of extremism, unfortunately, means that we're going to see for some time the possibility that in a whole bunch of different countries.
A whole bunch of different countries!
Whoa!
What countries?
Could it be my country?
Could it be your country?
Please tell us which country.
Radical groups may spring up, particularly in countries that are still relatively fragile.
Like what?
Where you have sectarian tensions.
Like what?
Where you don't have a strong state security apparatus.
Where?
And that's why what we have to do is, rather than play whack-a-mole and send U.S. troops...
Whack-a-mole and send you...
This is the president of America speaking.
Whack-a-mole.
I'm getting a little annoyed with all these metaphors and similes at the hymn.
Boots on the ground.
Whack-a-mole.
Dog ate my homework.
In Holland, we call it Yip and Yana Katal.
Which means Jack and Jill language.
Because the public is so stupid, we have to give them these metaphors, and they may not be incorrect.
It is very possible that at this point, the disease of ignorance and narcissism and involuntary social networking disorder has kicked in, and people do need to be jarred by hearing these types of things.
Whack-a-mole.
What?
I know that game.
And U.S. troops, wherever this occurs, we have to build strong partnerships.
We have to get the international community to recognize this is a problem.
We've got to get Arab and Muslim leaders to say very clearly, these folks do not represent us.
All right, so there's a couple things in this.
Arab and Muslim leaders.
Nobody's saying Arab and Muslim leaders.
Need to denounce these people.
So this also means just, I mean, if he were alive, Casey Kasem would have to do this on his show.
You know, it's a very tall order, and I find it discouraging for any president to say these things.
And what was the last bit he said?
Oh, these folks.
Folks.
Come on, man.
Why is ISIL now folks?
I don't like, you know, stick to your metaphors.
Folks is, I'm a folk.
Hey, folks, how you doing, everybody?
And now ISIL is folks.
This must stop.
This president needs an intervention.
Leaders to say very clearly, these folks do not represent us.
These folks.
These folks.
This is crazy.
They do not represent Islam.
And to speak out forcefully against them.
Okay.
Now, here's what I was going to get to earlier.
I believe that someone met the bus.
I don't like the expression thrown under the bus, but if ever...
Met the bus.
I like that he met the bus.
Thrown under the bus, we have to find a substitute for it.
I like saying he met the bus.
Well, he met the bus means he could have gotten on the bus.
Well, he met the bus with his face.
How's that?
The bus may have been standing still.
Well, let's see who met the bus.
How did they end up where they are in control of so much territory?
Was that a complete surprise to you?
Well, I think our head of the intelligence community, Jim Clapper, has acknowledged that.
Wait a minute!
Did he just blame it on Clapper?
Oh, yeah.
Hello, clapper face meat bus!
I think they underestimated what had been taking place in Syria.
He didn't just say that we underestimated...
Now, this is interesting.
Now, Steve from CBS... Comes to Clapper's defense in a way.
I think CBS has turned to...
I think they're siding with the intelligence group in this little battle going on.
And this particular battle between Obama and whose fault is it?
Yeah.
This is totally in.
And Steve is protecting Clapper.
And you'll hear the president go...
Yeah, I noticed this too.
He didn't say that...
Just say that...
We underestimated ISIL. So the president said, the clapper said, we underestimated all this.
And Steve is saying, ho, ho, ho, ho.
That's not what he said.
Say that we underestimated ISIL. He said we overestimated the...
In fact, he said the opposite.
He said we overestimated...
Overestimated the ability and the will of our allies, the Iraqi army, to fight.
That's true.
That's true.
That's absolutely true.
I'm sorry.
I was trying to throw the guy under the bus, which we needed another metaphor for.
Disgusting.
That the president...
And he's weak.
He's weak.
He's weak there.
He was very weak, because the CBS guy nailed him.
Why didn't he go, oh, damn it, busted.
Yeah, he should have done that.
Oh, you got me.
Busted.
Yeah, really.
Busted.
Of all the things we know about the extremists, the ISILs, these folks, one of the main things we keep hearing over and over again is that they are recruited via social media.
They have read what we heard the other day, opened the newspaper, read the Koran.
It seems pretty much they've all read the Koran.
They live and kill and die by the Quran.
They come over from this 10,000, just from Liverpool alone, 10,000.
Tens of thousands.
Tens of thousands.
Yet the president says...
They have now created an environment in which young men are more concerned whether they're Shia or Sunni rather than whether they are getting a good education or whether they are able to have a good job.
Many of them are poor.
Many of them are illiterate.
And are therefore more subject to...
I'm sorry.
Many of them are illiterate?
But how do they read the Quran?
And how do they get recruited through social media?
Ooh.
I'll give you a 10 on that catch.
How does that work?
They all read the Quran and they're illiterate.
How does that work?
Wow, that was a good one.
And then, of course...
Oh, shoot.
Uh-oh.
You're proud of yourself on that catch.
I am.
It happened again.
Everything just...
It did this quit thing.
Just dropped dead on you?
No, but it's still there.
You better check your machine.
Now, the machine is good, and I think we're still streaming.
Let me just wait for a second to see if this comes back.
It's very strange why that happens.
I'm not sure.
It's all of a sudden...
Well, the system with...
What's that?
A little analysis there.
The system couldn't control it.
Somehow.
Okay, now my favorite bit, which was even the subject of an email.
The White House, they had the emails ready to go.
They were all set for this.
They were so like, yes, we're going to put this in and America will be...
And he flubbed the line.
I think everybody applauds the efforts that you've made and the size of the coalition that has been assembled.
But most of them are contributing money or training or policing the borders.
Not getting particularly close to the...
To the contact.
It looks like, once again, we are leading the operation.
We are carrying most of the West.
Steve, that's always the case.
That's always the case.
America leads.
Yes.
We are the indispensable nation.
The indispensable nation.
Write it down, everybody.
When you see me, you will think, that man right there is an American.
He is from the nation known as the indispensable nation.
Don't try to get rid of us.
We have capacity no one else has.
We have capacity you cannot even touch.
Our military is the best in the history of the world.
Forget the Romans, Hannibal, any of those guys.
Screw it.
Genghis Khan, booyah!
And when trouble comes up anywhere in the world, they don't call Beijing.
Don't call Beijing.
They don't call Moscow.
Don't call Moscow.
They call us.
They call us.
That's...
That's the deal.
That's the deal.
I mean, it looks like we are doing 90%.
Steve?
Steve?
How about Steve?
You sit back in your seat, Steve?
I'm gonna lay some smack on you, boy.
There is not an issue.
When there's a typhoon in the Philippines, take a look at who's helping the Philippines.
So that China doesn't come in and take the turf?
Deal with that situation.
When there's an earthquake in Haiti, take a look at who's leading the charge, making sure Haiti can rebuild.
And get cholera, and still be living in tents, pooping their guts out, and the Clintons have all these great hotels, and we've got the tourism going, and people are still dying in Haiti.
Who's taking charge of that?
It's us, baby!
That's how we roll.
That's how we roll!
Finally, yes!
That's how we roll.
Yeah, you can find us where the parties and bitches That's how we roll.
Love it!
And he flubs the line.
That's how we roll.
That's how we roll.
Listen, do you think Ronald Reagan or John Wayne would go...
That's how we roll.
You moron!
The only thing you had to do.
That's how we roll.
That's how we roll!
Loser!
Moving back a little bit further?
But the whole...
No, just where he says that's how we roll, I want to hear just before that.
Okay, sure.
When there's an earthquake in Haiti, take a look at who's leading the charge, making sure Haiti can rebuild.
That's how we roll.
So he said, that's how we go.
I know, but he flubbed the line.
Yeah, no, he says, that's how we go, and then he realized he was supposed to say, that's how we roll.
That's how we roll.
I know, but a moron.
But he didn't put that part in.
You still didn't.
No, I know I didn't put it in there.
I'd like that part in there.
Okay.
Let me back it up.
I didn't have that part in my outtick.
That's how we roll.
Oh, hold on.
Oh, I played the wrong one.
I'm sorry.
Here we go.
Take a look at who's leading the charge, making sure Haiti can rebuild.
That's how we roll.
I mean, it's better with that in there.
You're right.
I'll reclip that for Prosperity.
Yeah, reclip, because that's dynamite.
That's how we go.
That's how we roll.
But I also like just the...
That's how we roll.
No, I like that too, but I think personally, this is inside baseball for the listeners.
No, no, this is very important.
But I think personally, I'd like to hear the whole flub, not just the stammering.
No, I understand what you're saying.
So hold on a second.
Because we're going to be using this over and over again.
I believe this is the case.
Okay, hold on.
Let me just, so I'll go into my editing program.
And it's here, I think.
Who's leading the charge, making sure Haiti can rebuild?
That's how we roll.
Okay.
Terrible.
Let me take this.
Hold on.
Let me take this.
In its entirety, with the little flub at the beginning and then the stammering, in its entirety, this...
He must have lost sleep over this.
He probably dropped about six points on his golf game.
This is truly a mistake.
This is really not good.
Okay, I think I've clipped it here.
Let me see if I got it here.
That's how we roll.
Got it.
Nailed it.
Yeah, that's it, exactly.
This is astonishing.
I didn't see that.
And then we have this email that came out.
The title that's from Dan Pfeiffer.
Subject, that's how we roll.
Hey!
This is how they open up, John.
Hey!
Last week at the United Nations, President Obama laid out a forceful case.
Yada, yada, yada, yada.
The United States is leading an international coalition in the fight to degrade and ultimately destroy ISIL. To counter Russian aggression in Ukraine.
But notice, again, putting Russia and ISIL at the same spot.
And to contain and combat the Ebola epidemic in West Africa.
Wow.
As the president said on Sunday night, that's how we roll.
No, no, Dan, I'm sorry, Dan Pfeiffer.
That is not actually what the president said.
He said...
That's how we roll.
That's what he said.
Now, I want to give that little sub-clip the clip of the day.
Well...
Okay.
You just have to.
It's not going to be anything better than that.
Okay.
I know I don't have anything better.
So let's do a combo then.
Do a combo.
Since it is Clip of the Day, we'll put it together.
That's how we roll.
And that's a true clip.
It's not like just a clip clip.
It's a clip.
Not only is that a clip.
And that's the story.
It's the story.
It's the story.
So, of course, it kind of...
I cannot believe this guy's the president.
There's a need for a rescue mission.
When the world is threatened, the world needs help.
Nicole's on America.
And that's the story.
That's how we roll.
He is the anti-hero.
The anti-superhero.
But this is not how our presidents are supposed to roll, people.
And you shouldn't even...
That term is borderline street argot.
But as you can tell...
It's low, low-end material.
But they're proud of it.
They put it in their newsletter.
They love it so much.
Yes, that's how we roll.
That is crap.
And not only that, but it's old.
That phrase is, what, 10 years old?
Well, I looked this up.
It's a douchebag phrase.
Well, it's also a callback to 9-11...
Flight 93, let's roll.
Believe me, they were thinking this, John.
They were thinking, this is how you show American heroism.
I looked around.
Where else has this come from, this that's how we roll term?
What I found in most recent memory was Flight 93, where apparently...
Before the plane crashed, the passengers were storming the cockpit and said, let's roll!
You'll recall how that went.
Yes, I, well, supposedly.
Yeah.
And then they were shot down.
That's what Rumsfeld says.
Rumsfeld said they were shot down.
Yeah, that's what I'm just quoting Rumsfeld.
I don't know what happened at all.
The whole thing could have been a fiction.
He was only the Secretary of Defense.
What does he know?
So I found this very, very disturbing.
And I do want to read, because another number that is just popping up continuously is this, how many nations are in the coalition?
Well, the number's now up to 60.
Okay?
Strangely, no one really ever talks about, you know, it's Arab nations, and no one really explains exactly who's doing what.
Would you like a little rundown?
Oh, yeah.
I've been to all ears.
Do you want to do it after a short little segue?
To a greeting?
You mean something like...
In the morning to you, John C. Dvorak!
Well, I wasn't expecting anything so dramatic, but...
In the morning to you, Adam.
Curry also in the morning to all ships to sea, boots on the ground, feeding the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
And in the morning to all of our human resources in the chat room.
Yeah, you're right, John.
Thanks for calling me and making me do that.
It's time.
NogenStream.com.
Good to see everybody there.
And we'll have more fun stuff for you all.
Thank you very much to Joe Wagner, who brought us the artwork for episode 656.
And I did want to mention that it's a little annoying that people are posting artwork in future episodes on the art generator, noagendaartgenerator.com, because what invariably happens is other people come in, they accidentally put their artwork into the future episode, and it's confusing, it looks ugly, and I'd like you all to stop it.
What do you think, John?
Yeah, I know.
If you feel that way, I'm fine with it.
I mean, as far as I was concerned, it's just going to fix itself, but I don't see any evidence of that.
I'm just thinking it would.
Which is why I wanted to bring it up, that it should fix itself.
Yes, you can do episode 666 for special anniversary things, but really, just put it in the current one.
Yeah, just 666 is the only one that should be in advance.
You don't know what we're going to talk about.
No.
In fact, you don't know what the news is going to be for that next...
I could be dead by Sunday.
From Ebola.
It could be.
You're right there.
You're right next to the epidemic.
200 miles away.
It is scary and wretched and miserable.
It is gross.
Ebola.
Let's thank a few of the executive associate executive producers.
We do have a good group today because we have another I think we're having a lot of the end of the year insta nights.
Yeah, this is cool.
And this is Travis Benelli from Escondido, California.
He said, he gave us 999.991, and I think you're supposed to throw in a penny if somebody does that.
There it is.
So that would make $1,000.
But he has, well, let me read.
I wanted it to become an instantite, but felt it more important to hear my favorite clip, 999, as many times as Adam will play it.
Would you play it again?
Yeah, of course I'll play it again.
999.99!
Not a problem.
If 999.99 suffice, I would like to be known as Sir Upper Decker.
Sir Upper Decker?
Yeah, Sir Upper Decker.
Now, which I think refers to a seating in a baseball game.
I'm not sure what he's referring to.
Why don't you play it one more time?
This is wonderful.
You need the Beatles number nine thing to be thrown in there.
Number nine?
It was very nice and generous.
That's all I got.
I actually was going to go look for the clip.
It's in Revolution 9.
It's at the very end of I Buried Paul.
Number 9.
Christopher Dolan in Berlin, Connecticut.
34567, one of my all-time favorite donation numbers.
And it is...
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Absolutely, and thank you, Christopher.
Yeah, that's true.
I think he must be at night by now.
I didn't say he was.
I don't recall, but okay.
And we definitely need you to alert us to your...
Yes, shot of karma.
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All right.
There he is again.
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I think he either met one guy or other No Agenda producers.
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You hooked her up with him.
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Okay.
So Jose has to keep track of all this stuff.
Brass Brunix.
Brass.
Brass Brunix.
Brunix in Furst.
Brunix.
No, from the Netherlands.
3, 4, 5, 6, 7, by the way, this is the first time we've had three of these.
Yeah, this is good.
This is very good.
He has no note.
I couldn't find a note.
I looked him up.
I looked up his email address.
I did everything I could.
Do you have a note from him?
I'm having a look right now, and I do not see...
This is interesting.
Hold on a second.
How do I spell this?
Is it with a B-R-U-I or Y? B-R-U-I. N-I-N. People.
Here we go.
Boss.
Yes, I do have...
Ah!
Ah!
Here it is.
Hi, Adam.
Can you tell John there is no note with my donation?
Perfect.
That's getting punked right there.
That was fun.
Good one, boss.
Okay, good one.
That's the Dutch sense of humor in a nutshell.
Gotta love him.
Joe Wagner, 33333, Parts Unknown.
You both have been on a roll these past few shows, and I thoroughly enjoyed John's epic rant.
On the last Thursday's show, I don't know what epic rant that was.
I'll be needing some job karma, and I'm hoping a producer credit will sex up my LinkedIn profile a bit, which it will.
Oh, yeah.
If it's not too much to ask, can I get a two-to-the-head bingo boom shakalaka regular?
It's like a cappuccino bar right here.
Boom shakalaka regular?
That double hit in my head was gone.
Great work.
Bingo, boom, shakalaka.
And her head is gone.
Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs!
Karma.
We want a bingo, boom, shakalaka regular, please.
Double shot.
Double shot with vanilla.
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That would be in Suratomic Rod.
Suratomic Rod.
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Everybody blames the oil companies for everything, don't they?
Exactly.
You don't need the oil companies to push that.
You've got Berkley.
It's called Berkley.
Yeah, Berkley.
Please play my favorite jingle combination.
That's one MILF baby followed by a quick in-the-morning karma for everyone.
Oh, man.
Are we dead yet from the Fukushima radiation?
Because I just can't find any more news about it.
I'm so dismayed that there's no more news.
And I had my iodine and everything, and I'm ready to go.
MILF, that's one mother I'd like to...
In the morning.
I got it.
You've got karma.
He wants it in the morning.
Got it, got it, got it.
That's a good one.
That is a good one.
I like it.
Thanks, Richard Moffitt in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
He sent a check with no note.
But on the check, the twos on September 22nd, which is what he dated it, 2014, were all in boldface.
It's code.
It's some sort of code.
Whatever the case was, Richard, who has donated before, I don't think he's a knight yet, 222-22.
Cutting edge solutions in Scotland, in Glasgow, 222, again, only with other 22 cents.
One question that I would like to discuss is why ISIS, ISIL, IS, or whatever they've been called, never attacked Israel.
I'm that crazy conspiracy guy who tries to blame the Jews or the damn evil Rothschild bankers who don't even own the Central Bank of England, despite all the ludicrous claims that they do.
But this is a question that is troubling me.
Maybe I'm one of the crazy conspiracy guys after all, or I would not be asking the question.
I'm putting you in the conspiracy corner, my friend.
I think he makes a good point.
Yeah, it's about time.
They should be attacking Israel.
Maybe it's because Israel has actual weapons.
They might kill them.
Yes, it would be a problem.
Or maybe...
Who knows?
All right, here we go.
With Howard Brown in Houston, Texas, who sent in a note.
Because we went back and forth.
We were going back and forth about Cranky Geeks.
He sends me a note.
I want Cranky Geeks back.
I said, we're not doing Cranky Geeks.
Cranky Geeks is a money loser.
And I said, we never get into...
The history of our careers, John.
I said it was a money loser.
We had no support and we had no listener support.
There was no support.
I said that's the same thing that could happen to no agenda if we don't get support from people like you.
I don't normally solicit.
I saw the email.
This was not a solicitation email.
You were pissed off.
It was a guilt trip email.
It was designed to get solicitations.
I donated to the show after that email.
Let me send it to money.
It's not as though I can't arouse the people to help us.
So he donated after complaining.
And so he sends a complaint note.
Clearly, I'm slightly drunk considering the typos in the previous email.
I did send a $201 donation, and then he cusses me out.
And then in the previous note, he says, well, such is life about not putting cranky geeks back on the air.
And he's kind of plastered, so I would slur a little bit.
And yeah, I'll donate now nonetheless.
If the show cancels, oh well.
You made a real impact in my life.
I appreciate your commentary at the least.
I have to admit, at the beginning of No Agenda, I did enjoy listening to you all's experience in life more than the political bull crap.
Not to say that it's not needed or appreciated, but after a while, I just began to get pissed at everything and how fucked up it is.
And I decided I no longer wanted to pay attention.
Stop!
We have the half-brother of the Ebola victim now live on CNN! What's he got to do with anything?
Obviously, it's not your fault, and I smacked my lips back there a second ago, and I'm avoiding doing that.
By the way, I'll talk about that later.
At the very least, I would like to let you know that what you say and not experience education opinion is highly valuable, and yes, I will donate, even though it does end up, even if no agenda fails, which is not about the fail.
It's not likely to fail anymore.
It's not going to fail.
So you can donate and just help us along, and we appreciate that.
Yeah.
I appreciate the note.
And by the way, you should feel a lot better once you donate, especially at the $200 level, because now you're, whatever we do, you want to listen more now, and you are helping, you know, get the truth out, is essentially all I can say.
Essentially, really?
Yeah, that's what I said.
Basingstoke, I have it marked down as a one.
Basingstoke, UK. I looked and looked and looked and looked and looked.
No note.
Oh, from Justin's GX2. Yeah, Justin.
Yeah, GXC. He's just happy with what we do.
I guess.
Yeah.
He's happy with the product.
Then he's a long-term supporter.
Yeah, he's a good guy.
Very good guy.
Adrian Sprong.
By the way, I think we're hooking him up with our Japanese contingent.
Oh, cool.
I believe he's taking his kid there.
Is he going to go to Japan and do his thing?
Yeah, with his kid, I think.
I don't know what's going on.
Oh.
Yeah.
Anyway.
Adrian Sprunk.
Adrian Sprunk.
In Zwolle.
Zwolle.
Zwolle.
You don't have to puke.
Just Adrian Sprunk.
Adrian Sprunk.
In Zwolle.
In Zwolle.
There you go.
John asked for new donors.
Here I am.
First time donating.
$200.
Please de-douchebag me.
I need some Earthship building karma.
Oh, all right.
He's building an Earthship.
Very good.
Well, de-douche and give you some karma, my friend.
You've been de-douched.
You've got karma.
Don't step on the karma.
Slippery.
Also, whoops.
Also, Glenn Malcolm in Singapore, $200.
And there's no note from him.
And if he wants to send a note in later, I looked and looked and looked.
And one of the things I want to mention to people when they don't send a note in, for whatever reason, I don't think everyone needs to send a note in.
I do look to see if there's a note that came in through email, and I do it by looking up the PayPal account, seeing what their email is, because many times it doesn't include their name, so I just can't look up Malcolm, and find out what the email is and search that way.
So I go through it.
We do work here at the show.
Absolutely.
Okay, that's it.
That would conclude our...
We have the 657, which is an interesting number, donor segment for show 657.
And I want to remind people we do have a show coming up on Sunday, which will need support.
And it's Dvorak.org slash NA, ChannelDvorak.com slash NA. NoAgendaShow.com and NoAgendaNation.com both have buttons you can click on and get to a donate page, which is a backup page.
We also have some PR mentions today.
The No Agenda Karma app has been updated.
Received a note from the producer or the developer.
Want to let you know.
I'm in an update to the application that was known as No Agenda Karma app generator.
Pleased to say it's a complete overhaul.
And while I'm sure there's plenty of room for improvement, but I think this is moving in the right direction.
I'd like to mention that Donna Hatton...
Donna, Donna, Donna, Donna gave me a hand in porting the No Agenda search and I was pulling my hair out trying to get it to work.
Seems like a good guy.
Gave him credit in the app.
We love all of this, particularly when developers are working together.
Dave Jones, our producer and developer of the Freedom Controller, he's coming up with something pretty interesting in the next few months.
I'll just say months so he doesn't get freaked out, but I think he's probably going to have something done sooner.
Next week?
No.
Which I'm very excited about.
We've been working on the Freedom Controller for a long time, and I think the next evolution may be interesting for the producers.
And then this note from Producer Matt.
Hey, Adam and John, in the morning I can't always donate money, but I can donate advertising space on C-SPAN. I recently moved from Sparks, Reno, Nevada to Boca Raton, which now gives me the great opportunity and advantage to plug no agenda.
Just this morning, Wednesday, October 1st at 9.58 a.m., I got through on the Democrat line to talk about ex-Merck doctor's opinion on Gardazil.
I unfortunately forgot the ITM and stumbled around a bit, but I felt like an amateur, but I'll get on top of it next time.
And, of course, I'd like to play that for you.
We need more of this.
And I really like the video of it, which you'll find in the show notes at 657.noagendanotes.com.
All findable from archive.noagendanotes.com.
I love the hostess.
She's so cute.
She looks so flummoxed when this happens.
But there it is.
And it was right before a congressional hearing.
So we might have had 20 people watching.
So in the Wall Street Journal, you can take a look at that.
Matt Boca Raton, Florida Democratic caller.
Hi, Matt.
Hi, I was calling in, not to speak about how many lives we're losing in nature and stuff, but I was calling in about the vaccines and I just wanted to make a comment.
I know you're talking about women's rights.
We're talking about Merck.
There is an article from a former Merck doctor that he was predicting that Gardasil will become the greatest medical scandal.
I was listening to the No Agenda show.
And she makes this complete, vapid, blank stare.
What is this guy?
Never heard of us.
What are they talking about?
From what he understands, basically, it's going to be one of the biggest scandals because they're going to find out over time that this vaccine, both technically and scientifically, has absolutely no effect on cervical cancer.
Okay, we will have to leave it there.
Our last for open comments this morning.
Happening now up on Capitol Hill.
Good job, Matt.
That was good.
Sounds like a typical call-in guy for that C-SPAN. So what he did right is he called the Democrat line because they never expect the kooks to come through on the Democrat or the Independent line.
Right.
So that's the right thing to do.
It is just some tips, but I'm very happy.
Thank you very much.
But some tips would be obviously...
Start with in the morning.
In the morning.
You can write stuff down.
It may be helpful.
Yeah, writing it down is not bad.
And probably get right to the promo by saying, I was listening to the No Agenda show, and then you could use our names if you want to.
It's not important to me.
But I was listening to the No Agenda show, best podcast in the universe you could throw in there just for extra points.
And then you could also say, have you heard of it?
Yeah.
Or you could say, I think you listen to it too, don't you?
That would be even funnier.
That's good too.
That's good.
Sales.
And then after that, it doesn't matter what you say.
In fact, it's better if you just go, I'm sorry, I forgot what I was going to say.
Then just hang up.
That would be great.
All right.
Please remember to go out there and continue to do the one thing is propagate our formula on C-SPAN. Our formula is this.
We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
You.
Water.
Water.
Shut up, Slade.
Shut up!
Fear is freedom!
Subjugation is liberation!
Contradiction is truth!
Those are the facts of this world!
And you will all surrender to them!
You pissed in human clothing!
That's how we roll.
Jeez!
It's the most astonishing thing ever.
Did you...
You probably didn't, but I'll ask anyway.
Did you read the Vonnegut story that I talked about on the last show?
No, not yet.
No, no.
Oh.
Because it really shows the...
And it's a five-minute read for you.
It seriously is.
It really shows where we are right now.
Just briefly...
I'll just give it away so you don't have to...
Please don't even spend five minutes of your day.
It'll take me 30 seconds to explain.
What's the name of it again?
Ah, you caught me.
It's Harold de Bergeron or something.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
I think it's Harold de Bergeron.
Put it on my Kindle and I'll read it on my...
Yeah.
We live in a world...
Where everybody's equal and we are equal because the government forces smarter people to wear an earpiece that periodically will go to confuse your brain so you can't think and can't react.
People who are nimble and sports people, they have to wear weight belts.
It's like handicapping a horse race.
Oh, no!
Oh, no!
And he throws off his weight belt.
This is kind of like a John Galt-esque type character.
And then one ballerina throws off her weight belt.
And they're so enlightened by everything, they can actually fly up to the—they can jump so high.
They jump up to the ceiling of the studio, and they're embracing, and they're saying, Look, everybody, look!
And then the woman, like a Theresa May, who's in charge of the home security, comes in with a double-barrel shotgun, shoots them both out of the sky.
And the story surrounds this husband and wife who are watching this at home.
And while this takes place on television, the guy is wearing one of these earpieces.
He gets a bzzz, bzzz, bzzz.
And his wife says, well, did something just happen on TV? And he says, I don't know.
It must have been good, because they really zapped me good with the earpiece.
So the moral of the story is, this is where we're at right now.
The truth can even be told on television, and we're being so zapped by so many different impulses and systems.
Well, that's, I think, what our show proves.
Yes, yes, yes.
We find these truthful things constantly.
They're all over the place, and we bring them onto the...
Podcasts, we have the clips and we hear people telling the truth and kind of correcting themselves.
And then we analyze things and we look into the backgrounds of websites that have all these onerous characters, always the same kind of the usual suspects.
We do all that.
Mm-hmm.
And, you know, a few people that listen to our show, there's quite a few that listen to our show, but even they will drift away, like this fellow here that sent a note in, he says, I was getting too depressed at reality, so I stopped listening.
And there you go.
And how'd that work out for you?
We're talking about food.
You know, we used to talk more about mundane items, but this we actually, I think we also went through we've also gone once in a while.
But don't you I think this is more entertaining.
I believe it's entertaining to use our life experience and just age, I think, is very appropriate to look back at where things came from.
Which, yeah, the cynical will say, hey, old man.
But these are interesting things for certainly people who are younger than us, and you can learn something.
But yes, all of this is now taking place right before our very eyes, and we are helping you see through all this.
And I do want to go down the list of this month.
We have a new month, October.
We have several presidential proclamations.
This is one of our favorite topics on the show, I say.
And I believe that we missed October 1st.
It was a big deal.
You mean Kale Month?
Kale Day?
Yes, Kale Day.
But that was not by presidential proclamations.
Oh, that was just by the Kale Association.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Well, that doesn't count.
Well, Rachel Ray did celebrate.
Screw it.
I'm not going to play that clip.
Maybe if we have time left over, I'll play my kid a clip.
It always sounds two sheets to the wind.
So there's a lot of things going on, and whenever we have a month for awareness, and of course, as we've discovered, no single issue gets the month.
There's too many things going on in our world.
They have to share the month of October.
And October really is, besides it being Oktoberfest, it's also Rocktober.
Every single rock and roll station, if they still exist, always had, October is Rocktober.
Rocktober.
It is, of course, right in time, National Domestic Violence Awareness Month.
That came perfectly timed, didn't it?
With our NFL. Yeah, that's an odd coincidence.
It happens.
It is also National Disability Employment Awareness Month.
If you're disabled, you're out of job.
We're aware of you.
We're aware of you.
It is National Breast Cancer Awareness Month.
It is National Substance Abuse Prevention Month.
This is a big one.
That should be its own month by itself.
I would think.
It is National Arts and Humanities Month.
We just shoved that in with everything else.
I'm not even sure.
I think STEM gets its whole month, but Arts and Humanities has to share with cripples and breast cancer.
Thanks.
And wife beaters.
And then finally, and this of course is my favorite, it is National Cyber Security Awareness Month, everybody.
Yeah!
Cyber, cyber, cyber.
You know, that could mean anything could happen at any moment.
Huh.
Did you still want to go through the coalition, what everyone's doing?
Yeah, first I wanted to play kind of a side trip clip.
Yeah, sure, man.
I'm hearing Obama and Obama going on and on about degrading ISIS, degrading ISIS, and it's always bugging me.
The degradation?
Yeah, well, it's just a whole phrase.
So I started digging through the archives.
Ah.
I love this.
So over a year ago, over one year ago, there's this, and this is the clip, Blinkin' Part Zero, The Hint.
Mm-hmm.
We hear Senators McCain and Graham saying in their conversation with the president, he's talking about degrading the capabilities of the Assad regime.
That's going a step farther, isn't it?
What does that mean, to degrade?
So, Judy, there are two things going on here that are important to understand.
First, with regard to the underlying conflict in Syria, there's been a civil war going on, as you know.
And we've been working very hard to end that war, and we think the best way to do it is through a negotiated transition that moves Assad out through a political process.
In order to do that, we've got to get him to the negotiating table, and that involves, in part, putting the pressure on him, isolating him, and building up the opposition, which we've been doing in recent months.
Slow clap on the green for that one, Mr.
Dvorak.
That's from a year ago, you said?
It was from over a year ago.
Boo-chakalaka!
Boo-chakalaka!
Good work!
So we found that.
So it is indeed about Assad.
Yeah.
That's why the word is on his brain, because they're going to degrade, degrade, degrade.
Now they can't get rid of the word.
But it's about Assad.
That's great.
Now if you want to go back to a walk down memory lane, I have two more clips, which I just personally find to be hilarious.
These are the two clips from, again, over a year ago where we're going to degrade Assad.
But meanwhile, this idiot Kerry comes up and makes a proposal just off the top of his head, which everyone picks up on.
This is where he suggests that, well, we probably wouldn't be this adamant if they just get rid of these chemical weapons.
Remember this, right?
No.
This was in early part of September of 2013.
And the clip here is the two clips in a row.
You want PBS Litany regarding Carrie Part 1 and then PBS Part 3, A Mess.
Those are the two clips of this era.
So play one.
During a stop in London, and he insisted any U.S. action would be very small scale.
We're not going to war.
We will not have people at risk in that way.
That is exactly what we're talking about doing.
Unbelievably small, limited kind of effort.
Kerry went on to say there is a way that Assad could prevent an attack.
He could turn over every single bit of his chemical weapons to the international community in the next week.
Turn it over.
All of it.
Without delay, and allow a full and total accounting for that.
But he isn't about to do it.
In short order, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon joined in calling for Syria to hand over its chemical arsenal.
Russia, Syria's ally, endorsed the idea as well.
Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.
We also call on the Syrian leadership not only to put chemical weapons storage facilities under international control, but also to destroy them afterwards.
And even Syria's foreign minister visiting Moscow quickly agreed.
I declare that Syria welcomes the Russian proposal out of concern for the lives of the Syrian people, the security of our country, because it believes in the wisdom of the Russian leadership that seeks to avert American aggression against our people.
In Washington, initially, U.S. officials, past and present, voiced interest and skepticism.
Yeah, that was kind of annoying that he actually did that.
Well, this was his mistake.
And then, of course, the second clip here is that they're trying to clean up the mess that Carrie made by just, you know, this is, the guys are like this.
They just said something stupid just to be cute.
And next thing you know, the whole thing falls apart.
We don't get to bomb them or anything.
But here's the cleanup.
But hours later, a surprising clarification.
A senior official traveling with Kerry said the secretary's remarks had been rhetorical and not intended as a serious proposal.
He's a moron.
He's a moron.
The rest is history.
Love it.
Love it.
Anyway, I caught that while I was looking for the other.
That's good.
So here's the list of the 60, which no one names all 60.
The president talks about Belgium.
So I'll give you a list.
Iraq.
And this is the allies and what they're providing.
Iraq, location of the fighting, authorized France to use Iraqi airspace.
So they've authorized airspace.
And welcome the support from Obama.
This is very good.
The Iraqi government requested military airstrikes.
So that's all they're doing.
This is from the Washington Post.
Yeah.
This is direct from the State Department.
They're not fighting yet.
So Iraq is just saying that their contribution is requesting us to do something.
They sent a memo.
They sent the memo.
Okay.
Inter-office request.
Jordan has destroyed a number of Islamic state targets through airstrikes in Syria, unspecified, and Jordan has also worked to cut off funding to extremist and terrorist organizations.
Bahrain carried out airstrikes against the Islamic State in Syria in tandem with the allies, which meant I think they fly in the backseat in tandem.
That would be right.
Saudi Arabia participated in airstrikes in Syria.
Saudi Arabia has frequently condemned the Islamic State and donated $100 million to the United States' counterterrorism center, $500 million in humanitarian assistance, and as we know, Today, they just purchased $1.75 billion of other.
Okay, well those guys at least are doing something.
Well, they have to because they're on deck.
United Arab Emirates participated in airstrikes in Syria.
Whatever that means.
The UAE has joined together with other Gulf nations to condemn the Islamic State and offer support to the coalition.
Those guys are no good!
France bombed a warehouse occupied by the Islamic State in Iraq last week.
Wow!
They bombed a warehouse.
Good for them.
In Iraq.
One of the United States' key allies in the air.
The French Air Force has also carried out recon flights over Iraq and has vowed to take part in future airstrikes if needed.
To date, France has sent 59 tons of humanitarian cargo to Erbil.
Really?
Erbil, it's a huge, beautiful city.
It's not getting their supplies.
It's probably maids' uniforms for the hotels.
We have the laundry.
French laundry.
Germany.
Here we go.
Germany.
Have you asked, John?
Germany.
Yes.
Has sent 40 paratroopers to Iraq.
Ooh, 40.
To provide weapons training to Kurdish fighters.
They're also sending 16,000 assault rifles...
Are these German assault rifles?
Rugers, maybe.
Hundreds of anti-tank weapons and armored vehicles.
Some Kurdish fighters are also being trained in South Germany.
This is interesting.
Well, that's actually doing something, at least.
They will provide enough weapons to arm 4,000 Kurdish soldiers as well as 36 tons of humanitarian aid.
Canada has deployed, quote, several dozen members of the...
Thank you, Canada!
All 36 of them.
Woo!
All in.
Canada has sent $15 million to support security measures in the region.
What is that for?
For backstage pass printing?
$15 million?
An insult, Canada.
You're not really part of the coalition this way.
Oh, I'm sorry, that was $10 million of non-lethal assistance and $5 million of humanitarian aid.
That seems like very little for Canada.
The United Kingdom has supplied our arms to the Kurds, and the Royal Air Force Squadron has contributed to surveillance operations.
They gifted, gifted, $1.6 million of weapons and ammunition.
That's like five rockets!
Which, I will point out, the brimstone missiles that are on the RAF jets are being highlighted everywhere.
I believe they are the counterpart to the Hellfire.
Yeah, they're using this as promotional.
Oh, it's big-time promotional.
And they're jets as well.
Are they flying Harrier jets?
The Harriers are not in production anymore, as far as I know.
And while I'm on this, let me ask you a question.
Why is it that there is such outrage...
About the term redskins in the United States of America, where the Patent and Trademark Office has said, this is no longer, you can no longer use this as a trademark, it's not protected.
I believe the FCC was talking about perhaps making it a foreboding word on the airwaves.
And, of course, the...
Right, while the N-word's still okay.
Well, the...
That's one part, but I have more specifically, they point to the fact that this term, redskin, was a bounty.
The etymology, the origin of the word, when if you had a redskin, then you had skinned a Native American and taken his hide, and that was some bounty back in the Wild West.
And they are outraged by this use of the term.
Nobody's really out.
No...
There's just a small group of people that are outraged and they're making a big fuss.
A lot of this has to do with the ownership of the team.
I don't want to go down that path.
I want to ask you a question.
Why is there no outrage over the militarization of our American heritage?
By using tribe names for death machines, Apache, Blackhawk, Chinook.
I like what you're doing here.
Come on!
At what point is this okay?
This is column material.
And it's a real question.
It's a real question.
I agree.
What else do we have?
A tomahawk.
Oh, yes.
Shooting a tomahawk up your ass.
In other words, our Native Americans are killers.
Killers, I tell you!
But nary a word is heard about this.
If you're going to make people change the name of the team, then you should change the name of all of these killing machines.
The Black Hawk is not in use as a private helicopter to shuttle people to the Formula One racetrack.
No, it's a killing machine.
The Apache is a gunship.
The Chinook is meant to carry killers in its belly.
And the Tomahawk is fiery death.
I'm sure there's more phrases we can think of if we spend a little time on it.
Oh, yeah.
We'll come up with it.
Huh.
Good one.
Okay.
But I digress on that.
Yes, you do.
But I liked it and I took notes.
Okay.
Australia has agreed to deploy a military force to the region.
They've agreed.
They've also provided $5 million.
Italy!
Good old Italy!
All of 5 million.
Italy has sent $2.5 million of weaponry, including machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades.
Thanks, Italy!
The Czech Republic provided fighter jets and 500 tons of ammunition.
The Czech Republic is actually doing a lot, it seems.
Albania!
Weapons and ammunition to Kurdish forces...
They will send 22 million rifle rounds.
Very good.
The Netherlands, 1,000 helmets and 1,000 bulletproof vests.
And they're going to provide six F-16 fighter jets to strike the Islamic State in Iraq, not in Syria, because that would anger the Russians who own the Dutch economy.
Estonia, a million machine gun cartridges, they send bullets, Estonia.
Well, they make bullets in some of these places.
Yeah, yeah.
And $90,000 to support displaced Iraqis.
$90,000?
That's a couple of tents.
Hungary, 7 million cartridges and thousands of mines and armored piercing shells.
Oh, that's great.
Yeah, put some landmines down, people.
Jeez, nice work.
And also a $90,000 aid package to Christians in Erbil, Turkey.
President Erdogan has said he will, quote, give the necessary support to the operation.
More than 100 trucks.
In other words, nothing.
Nothing.
$1.9 million spent so far from Turkey.
And they've also funded the construction of a camp for 20,000 Iraqi Turkmen.
Belgium.
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has said, we are positively inclined to contribute.
And we have the military capacity to do so.
Belgium does have an interest to contribute.
Hey, Belgium, you're not pulling your weight, people.
Denmark provided a transport aircraft to support the international efforts.
I believe it was a Cessna 182.
Lebanon.
The state will not send troops or weapons, but will receive military help to fight the organization through the army, whatever that means.
Then we have Sweden donated $13 million.
Kuwait donated $9.5 million to the United Nations.
Switzerland, $9 million.
Japan, $6 million.
They got no money.
Austria sent $1.3 million.
New Zealand, $1 million.
Hey, thanks, New Zealand.
Five Eyes friend.
Republic of Korea, $1 million.
Ireland, $300,000 to UNICEF. Spain, $640,000 to the United Nations Human Rights Council.
They're not even fighting.
They're just sending money.
They're just writing a check.
Slovakia, $25,000 to assist soldiers.
In the Kurdish region.
Norway.
Did an aid drop.
40,000 blankets.
Luxembourg.
You get the point.
There's not even 60 on this list.
They can't come up with 60.
Lies.
Lies, I tell you.
It's all lies.
Lies!
That's what I wanted to hear.
It's just lies.
All right, I'm going to lead you into your clip bonanza.
And I'm going to do it with this news clip.
The United States spends roughly $680 billion on national security, yet the federal department specifically created to prevent terrorist attacks is hemorrhaging employees.
A mass exodus that seems to be compromising the country's ability to prevent emerging threats or cyber attacks.
According to the Washington Post, The Department of Homeland Security is losing its staff due to a dysfunctional work environment, abysmal morale, and the lure of private companies paying much more than the federal government.
So how bad is the problem?
Well, the department's terrorism intelligence arm has cycled through six directors during the Obama administration.
Meanwhile, the DHS agency created to enhance airport security is reportedly losing so many senior and junior personnel at such a fast rate that high-level security at airports is being significantly compromised.
The parade of high-level departures at DHS has been referred to as a leadership vacuum of alarming proportions.
As a result, it's reportedly affected the slow rollout of key cybersecurity initiatives and stalled initiatives related to border security.
Some are fleeing DHS over backward bureaucracy and inefficiency, but others are just being lured by bigger paychecks at private security companies.
As it turns out, the Cherdoff Group, a consultancy group led by former DHS Secretary Michael Cherdoff, has stolen so many employees from the federal government that it's been nicknamed Shadow DHS.
The problem at Homeland Security has gotten so bad that the agency has reportedly retained a consultancy firm to help develop recommendations on how to improve morale.
Unfortunately, these challenges come at a time when the U.S. claims to be facing a new batch of potential threats from ISIS, Al-Qaeda and other extremist groups.
And I take this as a lot of good news.
I believe that there are a lot of people inside these organizations going, this is effed up.
This is bullcrap.
I'm not protecting anything.
I'm not doing anything productive.
This is a big bureaucracy of bullcrap.
I think during the Napolitano era, when she hired all her lesbian pals that were harassing the males...
That there's court cases about, that they're trying to dismiss left and right, which we talked about on the show before.
I think the same thing happened over at the Secret Service, when this woman comes in in 2008.
And although we have no proof, and it's not on her Wikipedia page, the absence...
Whenever you put Ms.
on your little name sign in front of a Congress...
Well, I don't know whether...
We don't know if she's a lesbian.
But she does have that Holly Hunter, Jodie Foster kind of...
Yeah, plus 300 pounds.
Are you kidding me?
This is not Jodie Foster, Holly Hunter.
This is ridiculous.
No, I'm talking about The Voice.
Oh.
Hello.
Oh, sorry.
Yes.
It's a voice.
They talk a funny kind of a through their teeth kind of thing.
Holly Hunter, Jodie Foster, they have a cadence, a certain kind of cadence.
This woman has the exact same cadence.
I don't know what you were thinking I was talking about.
I thought you were going on looks.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
And anyway, but I don't know and I don't care because she was just obviously brought in in 2008 by Valerie Jarrett or whoever to become the general manager of the Secret Service.
If you listen to her, she's an obvious bean counter.
She doesn't know anything about anything.
Now, hold on.
Hold on.
Hold on.
She worked her way up to the ranks.
She was on security detail for Clinton and Bush.
It seems so, but we don't know.
And I just want to say one more thing, one more thing.
Well, you don't have to say it because Eleanor Holmes says it later.
I wanted to say once.
Because I like these grillings.
This was the thematic one, in my opinion.
This is ISA. This is Pearson versus ISA. And this is an example of when a bureaucrat gets in office.
Now, the problem that she had, just in advance of listening to her on this particular clip and some other clips...
I'm going to stop you for one second.
I just need to set it up so people understand that because of the lapse in security at the White House, we had this fence jumper, and he got very far.
And it turns out there was more incidents in the White House.
Many more incidents, guns on elevators, all kinds of things happening.
This is why she was called to account, and she was indeed brought in to fix the Secret Service after the prostitution scandal in South America, after the drunken guys in the hotel rooms in the Netherlands.
And I need to say one more thing.
The number one job of the Secret Service is to stop counterfeit of American money.
This is not their number one job.
That's true.
Now let's listen to what she has to say and why she was booted out.
I have a couple of clips, the exact clip why she was booted out.
She was fired after this hearing.
But...
When you are...
I'm just a little tip for you out there who will eventually, perhaps...
If you're a lesbian?
Is this a tip for lesbians?
No, no.
This is a tip for people giving testimony.
Oh, okay.
The lesbian thing is...
I don't know what it's got to do with anything.
Nothing.
I just had to say it.
But...
And you find out that both the Democrats and Republicans, I mean, Cummins, the guy who's usually the loggerheads with ISA, are both hating on this one.
And I have a theory about that for you later.
Well, when you find this out and you're giving testimony, your approach is not to do what you're going to hear in this ISA clip.
You learn from our...
The first approach is to apologize and apologize and take the blame and apologize and apologize.
Not to do what she does and that's why she got fired, but here we go.
We learn from our mistakes.
The second question, your agency...
Previously had reported and an indictment against Mr.
Gonzalez asserted that he was arrested in that entry area.
Isn't it true that he actually penetrated the cross hall, the east room, and in fact was arrested in the vicinity of the green room?
Referring to your map on the wall, as I have been briefed, The Mr.
Gonzalez entered the front double doors.
Ma'am, I want a short answer.
I have very little time.
Was he in fact, the federal complaint said he was in fact apprehended in one place.
Isn't it true he was apprehended further into the White House?
As Mr.
Gonzalez entered the door, he knocked back the officer that was standing at the doorway.
The officer then engaged Mr.
Gonzalez.
They crossed the east entrance hall together, made the left turn down the cross hall.
They stepped momentarily into the East Room.
Another officer rendered aid, and he was placed on the ground, on the carpet, and handcuffed on the cross-wall hall, just outside of the Green Room.
So, in fact, the federal complaint and the earlier reports were not accurate.
Is that correct?
Yes or no, please.
I think the original complaint is accurate that Mr.
Gonzalez scaled the fence.
Ma'am, ma'am, hold it, hold it.
I have very little time, and I'm not...
The American people want to know if there is a president safe.
I want to know if we can rely on reports from your agency.
Yeah.
Not so good.
So this is her whole style, which is to talk slow, take up a lot of time, and get nowhere.
Which I think she learned from the IRS dude.
Well, the IRS dude is different.
He's confrontational.
She's not.
And the IRS dude never had both sides.
The Democrats don't want the IRS scandal to really go anywhere.
So he has allies.
She's got none.
So she's playing this completely wrong.
So let's listen to Chaffetz, who's one of our favorite guys because he's very quotable.
And let's play...
Let's do Pearson Chaffetz on press release.
The Secret Service put out a statement, talked to the Associated Press, I should say.
They reported on September 20th at 1.24 a.m.
Eastern Time, Donovan, the spokesperson, Ed Donovan, said the man appeared to be unarmed officers who spotted him climbing the fence and his search of the subject turned up no weapon.
Why would he say that there's no weapon?
I will have to ask Mr.
Donovan that question.
You haven't done that since the incident happened?
I know when Mr.
Gonzalez was placed into custody, he was found to have a folded knife in his right front pants pocket.
Do you consider that a weapon?
That is a weapon.
Why would the Secret Service put out an official press release, put out a statement to the Associated Press?
Did you ever correct the Associated Press?
Did you call them back and say, you got that wrong?
I have no knowledge of that.
So you just let it linger out there that there was no weapon.
That was wrong.
It was inaccurate.
Correct?
I do know that there has been a lot of information in this case and that's why we are doing a robust review.
I can't speak for conversations that I was not a part of or the press's interest in this.
Did you read the press release before it went out?
I have read the press release before it went out.
Do you agree that the officers showed tremendous restraint and discipline?
You agreed with that comment?
I do think, based on the totality of the circumstances and from Mr.
Gonzalez's arrest, that these officers did use restraint in making a very difficult decision as to whether to deploy lethal force or subdue and arrest him.
Do you think they responded appropriately?
I do not think the security plan was properly executed, and that is why I'm conducting a robust investigation to ensure that we have a comprehensive review of what people were, that I have the facts, all of the facts, so I can make an assessment of what the decisions were on that night.
You know, she, I realize now, she's dumb.
She's dumb.
I think she is dumb, but here's what, now the only reason I made all these clips, and I want to play a few more because it's pretty funny, is because I went, I didn't see the hearing when it happened, so I went and watched it the next day.
ABC and NBC's websites, and they all had clips from this hearing.
And all the clips from the hearing were her saying, we've got to change things and we're going to fix it and it's going to be great.
Right.
They showed they had none of this.
Oh, of course not.
And I found it to be reprehensible, to be honest about it.
And this is gold.
Gold.
Thank you.
So let's go on with Pearson grilled by Chaffetz.
This is actually, I think, this is kind of, this is not the, yeah, play that.
That's kind of funny.
My question to you is, do those officers have your authority to use lethal force to prevent somebody from entering the White House?
Those officers do have the authority to use independent judgment to leverage lethal force when appropriate.
Is that true when somebody's trying to get at the president?
That is always true.
They are law enforcement officers.
So it's always true when somebody's trying to penetrate the White House that they can use lethal force?
As appropriate within the confounds of the law.
Explain the details of that.
If somebody is approaching the White House, has penetrated the security and making a run for the White House, no apparent weapon, can they take that person down?
The law requires that law enforcement officers ensure that they are in imminent danger or others are in imminent danger before they can leverage lethal force.
So if the person's running at the White House but no apparent weapon, they can or cannot use lethal force?
Those are going to be independent decisions made by the officer based on the totality of the circumstances.
How does an officer know if they have an improvised explosive device or dirty bomb or if it's a terrorist?
Ebola!
How do they know that?
Shouldn't they assume that this person has ill intention?
Law enforcement officers are trained in observation skills, and I would assess that they are constantly looking at people for ill intentions.
I think it's confusing.
This is part of what they have to deal with.
They make a split-second decision.
I want it to be crystal clear.
You make a run and a dash to the White House, we're going to take you down.
I want overwhelming force.
Would you disagree with me?
I do want our officers and agents to execute appropriate force for anyone attempting to challenge or breach the White House.
We've got to explore this further.
This is her.
Now, so let's go over to a Democrat and see how they're dealing with this.
This should have been, I mean, besides Cummings being essentially saying she should be fired on some other show, this is a guy, this is the congressman from Boston, and this is Pearson Boston Rep Part 1.
This is disgraceful.
This is absolutely disgraceful that this has happened.
And I'm not even going to mention the fact that it took us four days to figure out that somebody had shot seven rounds into the White House.
This is beyond the pale.
And I've listened to your testimony very deliberately here this morning.
And I wish to God you protected the White House like you're protecting your reputation here today.
I wish you spent that time and that effort to protect the American president and his family like I'm hearing people covering for the lapses of the Secret Service on these several occasions.
I really do.
So what are we going to do?
And look, this whole thing is the United States Secret Service versus one mentally challenged man.
And I need to point out here that we're pretty convinced that this and perhaps other Near misses that have happened in the past when the president wasn't home, people shooting into the White House, appear to be messaging from the warring factions within Washington because whenever this happens, other things, like we start to strike Syria the next day.
Yes, there is that.
There's a lot of agendas that may be at play here.
But I was thinking...
Just looking at the people involved, we still have Hillary wanting to make a run at the White House.
I've stated that I think there's been a purging of the Secret Service to remove the elements who dislike her to such a degree that they would discredit her and keep holding the lesbian thing over her head.
I'm thinking, just by coincidence, here's this presumably...
Just looking at this Pearson woman, maybe the Democrats want this too so they can clean some stuff up and have a clear runway for Hillary with no...
No entanglement with Secret Service and just get rid of all these people who are annoying.
That's a possibility because heads will roll after this woman leaves.
Not just her.
Many heads will roll.
Why she got into this position is another question.
As you say, she's a dummy that they put into this job.
Besides apparently working through the ranks as a detail officer, and I don't think she would qualify anymore.
She just seems physically unfit for the job.
So I don't know how long she was no longer active, or if you can be...
I think she's overweight.
She's too overweight for the job of security detail.
I don't see any people of her ilk and size in security detail.
I see cut-fit men and women.
So yes, you have to ask why she was brought into this.
Well, anyway, so the Boston guy goes on.
Let's skip the rest of that and go to the Boston guys part two, because I've never seen this happen before.
The Boston guy goes off the deep end with his complaining, and then she doesn't answer because everyone's out of time.
And so Issa asks her to answer, and she says something stupid.
And so the Boston guy just jumps in.
Of course, ICE is not stopping him when he could, if there was actually some partisanship going on.
But he didn't, and he lets the Boston guy just go off on her.
And what clip is this?
This would be the Boston 2.
Pearson, congressman from Boston 2.
Why don't I see this?
Oh, I'm sorry.
Sorry, got it.
Sorry.
Try and name them the same if it's a one and two.
For the lapses of the Secret Service on these several occasions.
I really do.
So what are we going to do?
And look, this whole thing is the United States Secret Service versus one mentally challenged man.
One man with mental illness that you knew had mental illness.
This is the Secret Service against one individual with mental illness.
And you lost.
You lost.
And you had three shots at this guy.
Three chances.
So he was a retard.
You had three shots and you still lost.
What's wrong with you, lady?
And he got to the green room in the White House.
The green room in the White House where there's a black man.
Haven't we had that yet?
Was there any racial shit going on yet?
I'm missing that.
When you have a sophisticated organization...
With nefarious intent and resources going up against the Secret Service.
Oh?
Hold on.
What did he just say there?
He says if a guy, a mentally challenged guy, can go all the way into the White House to the green room, what happens if you have, you know, Spectre, you know, James Bond's enemy, or some group that knows what they're doing trying to get in?
ISIL! Yeah, ISIL. What happens when you have a sophisticated organization with nefarious intent and resources going up against the Secret Service?
What happens then?
The gentleman's time has expired.
I thank the gentleman.
But if the gentlelady has any answers to any of his questions, I'd appreciate hearing them.
Hey, the green room.
I've never heard of the green room in the White House.
It's painted green, that's why it's called the green room.
But is it the green room for the stage?
No, no, it's painted green.
Let me be clear.
The United States Secret Service does not take any of these incidents lightly.
With all due respect, that's my point.
As a casual observer to what has happened here, I don't think the Secret Service is taking their duty to protect the American president and his family at the White House.
I don't think you're taking it seriously.
That's exactly my point.
Based on the evidence, Based on the evidence and the series of lapses, unfortunately, that's the conclusion that I arrive at, that you're not taking your job seriously.
I'm sorry, I hate to be critical, but we've got a lot at stake here.
We have a lot at stake, and I know people are dancing around this issue, but I've got to call it like it is.
I have very low confidence in the Secret Service under your leadership.
I'm throwing away my challenge coin.
Meanwhile, let's go to Eleanor Holmes Norton, quick.
Go ahead, we'll go to Ms.
Norton.
He'll be recognized for five minutes.
Thank you, Mr.
Chairman, and I want to thank Director Pearson for her 30 years of service in the Secret Service for rising through the ranks to become the first woman director.
And I am aware of what she has inherited and of her many accomplishments.
Director Pearson, I want to ask you about the Rumors that have been out there about what the Secret Service may do.
When Pennsylvania Avenue was closed down after Oklahoma City, there was a kind of...
Anyway, she goes on with some off-the-wall questions after complimenting her.
She's the only one, by the way.
It is scary and wretched and miserable.
It is gross.
So I got two more clips.
So here is the press secretary on the morning of the firing, apparently being hung out to dry on Morning Joe.
Are you telling me this morning that the President of the United States and the First Lady have confidence in Julia Pearson to run an agency that's supposed to protect their two daughters?
Yes, Joe, they have confidence in them, I think, for the reasons that I've laid out.
These are men and women who wake up every day, professionals, prepared to put their life on the line.
I'm not talking about the professionals.
I think the professionals actually deserve to have better leadership than they have.
This is obviously a responsibility that she takes very seriously.
I can tell you that the White House staff and the president himself take this very seriously.
The president himself has articulated that he's concerned about the security around his family, as any parent would be.
So this idiot had to eat these words like a few hours later.
Now, here's the last clip I'm going to run, which is this is why she got fired.
This is on the Kelly show, and Shavitz is on the show discussing this, and it includes the clip of the moment that Shavitz set her up Which was again not discussed on any of the media shows I've ever seen.
Chavitz sets her up to lie.
At the time do you inform the president if his personal security has been breached?
I would say in proximity to the incident.
Now, I ask you what percentage of the time do you inform the president if his personal security is in any way, shape, or form been breached?
Percent of the time?
100% of the time we would advise the president.
You would advise the president?
Yes.
In calendar year 2014, how many times has that happened?
I have not breached him except on one occasion for the September 19th incident.
So...
The only time you've briefed the president on perimeter security, the president's personal security, first family security, has been one time in 2014.
Here's what she's hearing him say.
That's correct.
Utah Congressman Jason Chaffetz is with me now.
I assume you were trying to establish that she neglected to inform him he was in a locked box with a man who's a convicted felon holding a gun on him.
I knew about that incident, but it wasn't yet out in the public.
I wanted to see if she was going to be open, candid, and honest.
She tricked her!
Well, that's not fair.
And I don't think she was.
And I think it's time that she be fired by the President of the United States or that she resign.
She did not tell the President of the United States that a three-time convict with a gun was in an elevator with the President.
Secret Service did not know that he had a gun.
Only found out after the fact.
And since that incident happened literally two weeks ago today, she either did not tell the president, which she should have done, or she did tell the president and lied to Congress.
You can't have it both ways.
The White House advance team's got some responsibility for that as well, I assume.
Has she demonstrated an incompetence?
Can we fairly lay it all on this woman?
Look, she was hired originally as the chief of staff and then promoted to become the director more than a year ago because there's a severe morale problem here that has not been turned around.
All right.
Your conclusion to wrap this up, Mr.
Dvorak?
Well, apparently she didn't tell the president about this gun-toting character.
I don't know why somebody in the elevator with the president.
In the first place.
But that's another story that could be discussed.
Well, I don't really have anything.
I don't have a deep thing.
Just as part of just a barrage of crap that is catching up to this administration.
I don't know if it's just to sweep out the Hillary, anti-Hillary group.
I think which is all of them.
So I don't know if they're going to be able to do that.
But this is definitely going to get rid of a good half of the top management.
Oh, yes.
Anybody that she promoted.
Well, there is something going on.
Look at FBI Director Comey, who has changed the department with some agreement from Congress, which no one has still been able to give this to me.
So he is now directly competing with the Department of Homeland Security.
And the NSA. And the NSA, thank you.
And how exactly the Secret Service came to fall all under DHS, I'm not sure.
That, of course, was not...
Well, so is the Coast Guard for some unknown reason.
Yeah.
There is power struggle going on, and I believe this to be the reason Lucy got the hell out of there.
She knew it was coming down.
She knows it's a big, rotten...
Any organization that is 10 years old, that has 200,000 employees...
This is...
Look at the big corporations of our time.
And look how hard it is for them to actually manage and create...
Compare Department of Homeland Security to Microsoft.
Windows.
That's what we have.
When you have DHS, it's like Microsoft.
You get Windows.
With all the bull crap that goes along with it.
You don't want Windows 8 protecting your president.
You don't want Windows Phone to be protecting your president?
I think that's what you get.
Now everyone who's coming in, this is new people, they're taking up, jockeying for position.
I have a feeling we're going to see a call to dismantle.
Yes, I agree with that 100%.
And going back to the clip that I had, that Chertoff is the shadow DHS, we're going to outsource these things right to Chertoff.
So TSA will go away.
Hey!
Made another rhyme.
Well, it would make sense if you think about it.
Well, of course, the TSA was not there in the first place.
There's another organization that did just as good a job except that one incident.
And every airport has the right to view independent contractors.
They don't have to use the TSA. Chertoff can make the argument that they could do it or they could organize it.
And Chertoff was at DHS running it.
It's obvious that he saw the light of day.
While he was there, he says, oh my god, this is a dysfunctional creation that's not going to work.
I am going to start an independent group and just build it up and make it lean and mean.
We'll bring in all the hot shots that I can get, the only people worth of powder that were at DHS. And we'll just do it on our own and do it as a contractor because everyone's going with contractors anyway.
Yep.
Boots on the ground is a bunch of contractors.
It's all contractors.
That's right.
And what will be left will be a bunch of ninny, scared pussy boys shivering in their boots, cowering in the corner, sheltering in place.
I got an email from one of our producers.
Hold on a second.
And he is right in the middle of that manhunt in Pennsylvania.
It goes on forever.
I have to read this to you.
This is nuts.
I happen to live dead center in the middle of the manhunt for Eric Frein.
His parents' house where he lived is in the community next to mine, perhaps 100 yards away, but I never knew him or his family.
I can attest to the fact that Manhunter is pretty crazy here.
I live on the edge of the forest he is thought to be hiding in.
We have hundreds of cops from various groups, FBI, ATF, SWAT, etc., patrolling and doing sweeps through the area frequently as we head into week three of the search.
We've been locked out of the community or inside if you were home intermittently as they closed the roads during the first ten days.
My wife got locked out once and had to sleep in her car.
Another night she was not able to get home for five hours.
I was locked in with the kids during these periods.
I would try to keep their minds off of it, but we had to practice what-if scenarios on where to run, hide, etc.
They're okay so far, but some kids in the community are pretty frightened.
The SWAT team said a sniper in my yard facing the house the first day the search led here.
And then some information about the local info.
Eric was just a tweaked guy.
Parents maybe weren't paying attention.
He was Asperger Z, according to what everyone's saying.
And then he had an update email.
They were trying to control the area and understand the logic behind it, but...
They should have set up some kind of chaperone system for the first couple of days or at least guided people into and out of their homes as they backed off the lockdowns after the first week.
There's a class action suit being put together, as I understand it.
When my wife returned to the house one night to pick up stuff, they escorted her in and did a room-by-room search of the house.
I just heard the latest press briefing that now I have two pipe bombs set up.
Yay, yay, yay.
So...
This is insane.
Having to sleep in your car, you can't get into your house because of the manhunt?
We used to put together a posse and the men would say, don't worry woman, I'll be back.
We're going to go get him.
Hop on your horse with your rifle.
Now, what is this?
So we'll have contractors doing all the killing for us, and we just sit home, pay attention to your smartphone, watch the television.
It's very, very pathetic.
Really, really, really.
This whole Pennsylvania thing to me was nuts from the beginning.
The lockdowns.
It's a murderer on the run.
That's all it is.
Why doesn't this happen in Oakland?
There's plenty of murderers.
And it's not the first cop that's ever been shot in the United States.
So it's a cop shooter and murderer.
That guy in Los Angeles was causing, at least had some, I could see guys getting worked up about it, even though that was another phony deal.
I find this to be just depressing.
Now, this situation with the, you know, Secret Service, I think the idea of busting up Homeland Security and letting these agencies, let the Secret Service be its own agency again.
Seems like the way to go.
And let the Coast Guard go back to becoming part of the military, which makes a lot more sense to me.
Putting TSA, let the Chertoff Group do that and let them do other stuff and get rid of this whole operation.
It was a stupid idea to begin with.
And I think they're going to, with this situation that we're seeing with the Secret Service woman, I think it is going to start to ratchet up to the next level, which is who picked her to take this job?
Who picked her to put her as chief of staff in 2008, right during the first year of the Obama administration?
Who put her in there?
It was obviously Valerie Jarrett or somebody at DHS. It probably was Napolitano.
I'm sorry.
I don't know.
Do you mean Valerie Jarrett from The Good Wife?
Yeah, from The Good Wife.
This is Alicia Florek.
Yes, Alicia, it's Valerie Jarrett.
How are you doing today?
I'm good.
Listen, I just wanted to call and tell you that I have been an admirer of yours for many years now.
Did you see this little sequence of Valerie Jarrett's cameo on The Good Wife?
Good clip.
Oh!
Want to hear the whole thing?
Yes.
She's trying to get The Good Wife...
I don't watch the show.
She's trying to get The Good Wife to run for office.
And she's...
She's in her office, and she has her advisor telling her what to say, which is pretty much the way...
She's in a huge position of power right now, and this is being what business she has doing a cameo.
Hey, why doesn't Michelle do a cameo?
Well, she has.
Why not put Sasha...
Yeah, but why not put Sasha Malia on TV? Everybody go Hollywood.
You have.
Yes, yes, the way you started your own business, and...
I'm not saying that.
And I admire the way you've set your own course.
Well, thank you, Miss Jarrett.
Have we met before?
No, we haven't.
But I heard that you were contemplating running for state's attorney.
No, it's me.
What do you want me to say?
Encouragement.
Do you think she has a reel?
That she's shopping to agents?
Well, she doesn't.
She can put one together now.
I can't even listen to the rest of it.
The horrible woman.
The true President of the United States there, everybody.
That is...
Well, something's up, I think.
Yeah, so we'll keep our eye on this.
If you're going to do this TV stuff, I got one.
Okay, I'll give you one.
This will be my only clip I have.
For TV. Because the Scorpion show, as you know, is my favorite.
Okay.
I watched.
I couldn't watch.
I watched episode two of the Scorpion show.
And I have to say something.
Not only because my favorite actress, Nanny McPhee, is in there.
Whatever her name is.
Who was in my other favorite show.
The Broadway musical show.
Oh, your favorite old show, it was called Smash.
Smash.
She's in this show, and she is the normal one.
I have to say, this is the A-Team 2014.
I love this show.
Here is the premise.
Here's the premise.
Based on a true character.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, the character is based on a true character.
The premise is not based on anything.
This is what, if people are missing this show, you're going to miss stuff like this.
Did the virus to just hell on his computer.
Anybody else in the house sick?
No.
You, your wife, and your staff devolved into proximity.
Yes, what are you getting at?
He could have taken out the whole home network, but he directed the computer virus at just your child.
I don't think it's a coincidence that no one else but Alan is ill.
Wait, wait, what does this mean?
Give the girl some cool hair.
She's hot enough.
No!
You can't catch it.
None of us can.
The virus he placed on a computer is custom built.
He did the same with your daughter.
Or why is no one else ill?
You're saying he custom built a virus that would make just this child sick.
Yeah, there's computer hacking and more recently there's biohacking.
Now, whoever infected the computer also infected your daughter.
Until we find that person and know exactly what biological agent he used, there's not going to be any hope for a cure.
Wait, wait, wait.
Where are you going?
You can't just drop a theory like that and leave.
Governor, the helplessness you feel will incline you to irrational behavior.
So please resist the temptation to do anything stupid like standing in my way.
Let me do my job.
Riveted, I tell you.
Riveted.
This is the worst show ever.
We are biohacking.
I'm a fan.
I am watching it now.
This is totally meant for the stupidity that is the American public.
And I think it will work in Europe, too.
I love it.
Yeah, I'm not going to argue.
I'm not arguing that.
I love McPhee.
She's sexy.
She's the normal one.
She's a good actress.
I enjoy watching her work.
But, come on.
I'm going to show myself old by donating to no agenda.
Imagine all the people who could do that.
Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
Yeah, on no agenda in the morning.
Yeah, let's thank a few people for show 657 who helped us out for this show 657, including Greg Worley from even, I guess it's Evington, Virginia, One, two, three, four, five.
Only one of this show for that, which is one of my favorites.
Yep.
He does have some requests you want to drop me at the end.
He would like to get a...
Plains Good and Atlas Shrugged and a mac and cheese.
Come on, this is not how it works?
At the end.
But everyone could be wanting things at the end now.
Okay, well, don't do them then.
It's up to you.
You're the clipmeister.
Andy Clements in Maynooth County, Kildar, Ireland.
That's kind of nice.
And he has a EI3KF, which I think EI would be Ireland, right?
So this is 73's Andy.
Oh!
I'm sorry.
I'm trying to do two things at once.
It's very hard for me to do more than one thing at once.
So he's a ham in Ireland.
So why don't you get a hold of him on the horn?
Well, interestingly enough, one of our hams is putting together a no-agenda CUSO party.
Oh, yes.
No, I read the...
That's cool, right?
I like the idea.
Yeah, the letter came in.
He thinks it's a great idea.
And yeah, we'll be behind it.
We'll back it.
Anyway, James Cates, Virginia Beach, Virginia, $100.
He's got a birthday coming up.
You know what I missed?
It's such an obvious donation with the sudden discovery, I think by Ars Technica.
Ars Technica, which of course is the mecca of tech news.
He discovers, yeah, discovers Executive Order 12333, which we've been talking about for, I don't know, a year and a half, two years maybe?
Three years perhaps?
And now it was, oh look, can you believe it was a Reagan Executive Order that gave the NSA all these people?
Yeah, how about listening to the No Agenda show, you douchebags?
So I was thinking we'd get a lot of 123.33 donations.
Oh, I can't work on that.
We should put that as the...
I think you're absolutely correct.
Yeah, 12333.
That is a donation level that lots of people should be taking advantage of.
Joe the Dish Slave in Stockton, California.
Hey, Joe.
$100.
I'm sorry, did you miss James?
Did I interrupt you on James?
No, I said James Cates in Virginia Beach, Virginia for $100.
He has a birthday.
I got it.
You got it.
I'm sorry.
I'm shutting up.
Chris.
Chris rolled.
Roll.
Chris rolled.
Oh, this is a Norway.
Yeah.
Chris.
Chris rolled.
In Christianson. Christians. Christianson. Norway.
We should go to Norway.
Norway Airlines has got some sort of a sale.
Oh, there's a deal?
Yeah, some sort of cheap deal.
We'll take a quick trip to Norway.
We've got enough guys there.
We can hang out.
I'd love to go.
I would, too.
Graham Scott in Australand, Western Australia.
He would do a meet-up in Norway.
$99.99.
Hold on.
$99.99.
Oh, he's got a douchebag call-out.
We have to do this.
Okay.
This donation from my son, whom I miss intensely.
Can I get an LGY karma from you at the end?
And just a call for all the people who haven't donated value for value.
Douchebags, how hard is it?
And it's funny because I can afford it.
Why?
Call out on here just for everybody.
Eric, that's not a red.
No, Eric.
But we'll do it anyway.
Douchebag!
You haven't donated.
Sir Jim of Beverly Hills, 7777, which is to congratulate us for our 7th anniversary.
This month, the 26th, what's coming up?
Coming up.
And Jeffrey Wolf, 7777 from Edmond, Oklahoma, to congratulate us.
And those are the two people out of the others that donated that congratulated us.
That's fantastic.
School of Podcasting, 6969.
Hold on a second.
This is Dave Jackson, who...
Yeah, Dave Jackson.
But he says, would love to have you guys at the New Media Expo 2015.
He's heading up the podcasting track.
Yeah.
And I sent him an email privately, and I said, no.
Yes, no.
I'm honored, but I have nothing to say.
It's always the same thing.
How do we make money doing this?
We'll make an outstanding product.
Good night, everybody.
Good to see you here.
There's not much to discuss.
Make an outstanding product.
Distribute.
Sir Dingaling in Claremont, Florida.
69-69.
It's appreciated, though, Dave.
Of course.
Jeff Canty in St.
Catherine's, Ontario.
Dude, dude.
If I don't say this, it was podcasting day.
Today?
No, it was, I think it was, when was it, Thursday?
Friday?
It was?
Yeah.
Well, how come we were never told?
Well, I was, but I had to be reminded, and I tweeted it out.
Well, I was never told.
I'm like, I don't do anything.
Well, people are, podcasting day.
It needs to be by presidential proclamation.
It was?
Yes, John, it was.
Apparently not.
I've been buffaloed.
Let's go back.
Jeff Kett, St.
Catharines in Ontario, 6969.
Miguel Gonzalez in London, 6969.
I think he's a CERN by now, isn't he?
Mysterian Entertainment, 6660 in Los Angeles, California.
Antonio Crane in Los Angeles, California, 6608.
Alan Hawes in Windsor, Berkshire, UK, 6543.
Oistain Berg.
I think it would be Oistain Bertha.
Oistain Berg.
Bertha.
Berg in Rotterdam.
Hmm.
$60.
Thank you.
Edward Chidgy.
Chidgy?
I think it's Chidgy.
Chidgy.
It wouldn't be Chidgy.
Chidgy.
Maybe.
War in Hertzford, sure, UK. Very funny note, Edward.
Olaf Wolf, München, Germany.
Deutschland.
Munich, 55-55.
Fernando de los Reyes in Sierra Vista, Arizona.
Double nickels on the dime.
Along with Kevin Dills, double nickels on the dime from Charlotte, North Carolina.
Jesse Simonin, double nickels on the dime from Parts Unknown.
David LeConte, In Eatontown, New Jersey, double nickels on the dime, 5510.
This is a lot of them for some unknown reason.
Andrew Brewer in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, double nickels on the dime.
Graystone, same thing in Rapid City, South Dakota.
Benjamin...
Uh...
Garcia?
I hit a button and I think just...
Instead of going down, it went up to the top.
Benjamin Garcia in La Habra, California.
Double niggles on the...
Oh no, $55.
And then $51.50 from Jose Ojeda in San Francisco, California.
Max Tumquist in...
Boxford, Massachusetts, $50.77.
Ralph Massaro in Kirkland, Washington, $50.
And these are all $50 donors.
It wraps it up with Love Deluxe in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
I want that as a name.
Hey, everybody.
Love Deluxe.
What's your name?
My name is Mr.
Deluxe.
Can you come with me?
Hey, everybody.
It's DJ Love Deluxe with you, taking you through.
It's a good name.
It's an outstanding name.
Rocktober with Love Deluxe.
Stephen Milliken in Corpus Christi, Texas.
Eric Bruhn in West St.
Paul, Minnesota.
Sir Greg Brunsell in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
David Cox in Ione, Washington.
And finally, Martin Fellner in Salzburg, somewhere near Salzburg, in Austria, which is nice to have Austrians listening.
And finally, Vincent James in Decatur, Alabama.
Yowza!
That's a good group.
I want to thank them all for contributing to show 657.
We've got 658 coming up on Sunday.
Yes, we do.
And we will need your help because there's plenty of things we need to deconstruct so that you can keep your sanity.
I went to my voodoo doctor yesterday.
It's been a while.
I haven't been since March.
The applied kinesiology and acupuncturist?
Yeah, you're a voodoo guy.
I'm a voodoo guy.
I feel great, I have to say.
I really feel good after a session with Dr.
Ron.
And he said, oh man.
He said, this is the month.
I said, what do you mean?
People are freaking out, panic, all kinds of stuff.
And I laid down my involuntary social network disorder.
He said, oh yeah, big part of it.
And then I told him about the Smith-Mund Act.
He said, oh, no wonder.
He's seeing nothing but people who are freaking out.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
He says it really increased.
He said September.
I'm telling you, this show of ours is helping more people not freak out.
Yeah, because we're also giving you something to laugh about.
Yeah, because if we really start deconstructing this stuff, it's really funny.
And her head is gone.
Dvorak.org slash NA. Well, real short and sweet today, James Cates says happy birthday to his ex-girlfriend's awesome son, Andre Mickelson, a lover of ponies and unicorns.
September 14th is when he's celebrated, so we say happy birthday from all your friends here at the best podcast in the universe.
Then we have not one, not two, but three nightings today, John.
Okay, before you get to this, can I read one of these notes?
But apparently our Austrian friend, he says, wish my sweetheart Lynn in Thailand a happy anniversary.
It's the second one in a row where I can't be together with her.
I only had one month together during the entire last year.
That's Martin.
Speaking of which, Miss Mickey is in the country.
She just landed?
She had to fly back via Los Angeles.
That was yesterday.
And guess what?
She got what?
Global entry, breeze right through.
Breeze right through.
Miss Flag.
Miss Flag, sit in the fish tank, breeze right through.
Oh, there you have it.
With the bullcrap database that's connected to nothing.
Beautiful, people.
Beautiful.
Here's the Carmide, everybody.
Sorry about that.
Almost forgot.
You've got karma.
And I draw my blade there.
If you can get yours real quick, John, that would be helpful.
We have three gentlemen we need to have stepped forward.
So I invite Travis Minnelli, Sean Paulson, and Greg Warren to step forward.
All three of you have become Knights of the No Gender Roundtable.
Very happy to welcome you, gentlemen.
And if you will come up to the podium, I hereby pronounce the Sir Upper Decker, Sir Sean Paulson of the First State, and Sir Greg Worley.
All of you gentlemen, now Knights of the No-Gen, a roundtable for you.
Root beer and Legos.
Hooker's and Blow, Rent Boys and Chardonnay.
Ass cream with bear fillings.
Connellini, Yoga and Jambo.
Cuban cigars and single malt scotch.
Hot librarians and Jager bombs.
Vodka and vanilla bong hits and bourbon or...
Mutton and me, go to noagenternation.com slash rings.
Thank you so much.
And this has been guys who, except for our pretty much instant night there, as I dropped in the extra penny, these guys have been working on their knighthoods for a long time.
You come up on seven years of the show, which we'll be celebrating on the 26th.
And you come up...
Is there something you want to say, John?
No, no, no.
Every breath I take...
I'm going to do that to you.
Whenever you just say something...
It's not annoying at all.
You're not that rude.
No, you're correct.
This has taken them years to get there.
I'm really completely delighted to have these folks in our midst as the Knights of Of the No Agenda Roundtable.
I have a couple things.
We don't have a lot of time left.
I'm going to save.
Okay, I got some stuff on Gitmo Lowlands that I wanted to save.
I have...
Oh, the fire.
I just wanted to say the Chicago fire.
In Aurora.
Yeah.
So what I'm deducing from the information that's come in from the Global Intelligence Network and other things that I've had, this guy who did this and then allegedly tried to kill himself.
By stabbing himself.
I think he tried to behead himself, actually.
That should be our new one.
Tried to behead himself.
Worked for the Harris Corporation, who were awarded $150 million last year for the FAA Next Gen Data Communications Program.
What I believe is happening here, whether it was intentional or not, the crisis is not going to waste, as now I'm hearing all the rumblings of, well...
If we had the next-gen system working, which is this idea of planes talking to each other, and it's all magical.
It's like Google self-driving cars in the air, which has some merit, but I'm not all in on it, nor are all the pilots I know.
They're saying, well, we need more budget to get this going, and of course this problem wouldn't have happened, which is, I believe, an intentional slowdown.
Yes, I am accusing the FAA this being an intentional slowdown in order to up the ante.
There's going to be at least a billion and a half dollars to implement the next-gen program.
And as you know, we've been looking at this.
They've been trying to kickstart this for a while using anything.
Do you recall, John, it was, can you trust the pilots?
I'd much rather have a human being who can make errors up there.
I don't want any of that.
This is no good.
Do you recall any of that?
Oh yeah.
We hear it with cars too.
And this brings me to something I heard on NPR. Nick Carr.
Do we know him, Nick Carr?
He's a writer.
Nick Carr, yeah.
He's a writer for the New York Times if I'm not mistaken.
And he's written a book.
I'm sorry, I forget what the book was about, actually.
It's not that important.
I was kind of just listening to what he was saying.
And he's taking the position, and it was very hard for this NPR interviewer, I think it was Tom Ashbrook on point, very hard for him to accept That this Nick Carr's point about automation of our lives, and that it is really creating the opposite of what we want it to create.
I thought it was just interesting to listen to.
It reminded me of a lot of things we already talk about, and plays right into a lot of the things we oppose, such as the incessant narcissistic involuntary social network disorder.
There was an interesting study done out there.
Back in the 80s, I think.
And what arose from that is a concept called the paradox of work.
And essentially what the researchers found is that people desire to be freed from hard work, freed from labor, freed from effort.
And yet when you look at what makes them feel happiest and most satisfied and most fulfilled, it's when they're working hard, struggling with a hard problem, facing a challenge, exercising their skills, expanding their skills.
So we have this kind of internal conflict or tension that's sometimes called miswanting.
We want things that actually don't make us happy and vice versa.
And I think that explains Why we're so quick to...
Why we fall in love with computers and automation so quickly and kind of want...
Quickly hand over everything to them without even thinking about it.
Because we...
I'm sorry?
He says quickly too much.
He also says essentially.
We think that this will either give us a life of leisure or free us up to have higher thoughts or whatever, but actually it tends to have the opposite effect.
We become less satisfied and less fulfilled when we're simply not doing anything, when we're not challenged.
And to me, that kind of gets at the nub beyond the economics, beyond the issues of productivity.
Unfortunately, our bias is to simply hand things over to computers and only afterwards realize that, gee, what really makes me happy and makes me fulfilled is actually figuring things out, working hard, engaging with the world, being able to use a compass and a map to figure out where I am.
I heard you groaning, so I guess I'll stop with these clips from him.
Well...
This book is The Glass Cage.
Uh-huh.
It's the book you're talking about.
It's kind of funny because it's part of, I guess, the battle between Amazon and other companies because the Kindle price is $12.99 instead of their much appreciated $9.99 price for Kindle.
$12.99 is too expensive.
I agree with Amazon.
I don't hear anything new.
No, for us it's not new.
I do think it's...
It is of note, these studies.
Well, I don't even think it's just for us.
I mean, Voltaire was talking about this exact same thing back hundreds of years ago.
Yes.
So it's not new in a lot of different ways, and he's made a book out of it saying that we're not going to be fulfilled after the robots take over.
Yeah, exactly.
Essentially what the book's about.
Yes, exactly.
Essentially.
Yes, I heard you say it.
I'm not going to stall your head off.
It's okay.
I'm getting closer.
I'm getting closer.
I think we need to do a quick analysis.
I don't think I'm smacking my lips as much.
We should discuss that for a second.
I don't understand.
I realize what he's talking about.
It's not lip smacking at all.
It's not lips.
It's my tongue clack.
It's a tongue clack.
It's that little noise you can make sometimes before you say...
Like that, right there.
That's that tsk.
I'm trying not to do it.
It's a tsk thing.
It's tsk.
Tsk is the word T-S-K. It's not a good thing.
It should not be...
No, it's stupid because you do it before a sentence that means you're dismissive.
It's a dismissive sound.
Yes, it's not good.
So I'm in agreement with this character who's bitching about it because I guess he's hypersensitive to it.
I mean, his parents are probably always tisking him.
I think we need a little quick...
Analysis of the Umbrella Revolution.
Yeah.
I love the umbrella idea.
So there's a couple things that are happening.
This is Hong Kong.
And at first I was looking at this going, oh, well, this started on Sunday during the show when they started to get...
Pepper sprayed or tear gassed or whatever.
I don't know if this was initially a U.S. State Department managed issue.
The Chinese told us to butt out if it, you know, thinking it might be.
Well, here's spokeshole Kerry.
And when he shows up, now I'm sure that we at least have tried to co-opt it.
The Occupy movement is involved.
And I have all these links, this Occupy...
Hold on a second...
By the way, this is all under the Umbrella Revolution.
Oh, and brand new, Hong Kong police chief has committed suicide this morning.
Oh, this I didn't know.
Yes, Hong Kong's Eastern District police chief inspector is thought to have committed suicide at his desk this morning.
He was found dead with...
with...
What?
Two gunshots to the temple.
Oh, they killed him because he wasn't doing his job.
I love it when people think that someone can shoot themselves in the head twice.
Yeah.
Just like Hillary's lover, the true father of her daughter.
So this is Occupy Central.
They have a website, Occupy Central with Love and Peace.
And then once they brought in the yellow umbrella, I'm like, oh, come on, people.
Do we have to be a part of everything else?
So they've jumped in on this somehow with both feet and the proof is in Kerry's words.
As China knows, we support universal suffrage in Hong Kong according with the basic law.
And we believe an open society with the highest possible degree of autonomy and governed by rule of law is essential for Hong Kong's stability and prosperity.
And we have high hopes that the Hong Kong authorities will exercise restraint and respect the protesters' right to express their views briefly.
Right.
And then the Chinese foreign minister, who sounds a lot like a young woman speaking English, said...
As China...
Sorry, sounded a lot like Kerry there.
How can that be?
Secretary Kerry mentioned Hong Kong.
The Chinese government has very firmly and clearly stated its position.
Hong Kong affairs are China's internal affairs.
All countries should respect China's sovereignty.
And this is also a basic principle governing international relations.
I believe for any country, for any society, No one will allow those illegal acts that violate public order.
That's the situation in the United States, and that's the same situation in Hong Kong.
Shut up, slave!
That was a nice little slap back.
I think we're going to encourage Hong Kong to try to become independent.
Oh, definitely.
Definitely.
Oh, yeah.
I'm not sure why the guy had to die, the police chief.
Two shots to the temple.
How insulting.
The only thing that was more insulting was the guy who died in the hot tub with the lid down.
That was the worst.
No, no, I'm sorry.
This is the most insulting.
Neil deGrasse Tyson.
Your buddy.
If you don't believe in climate change, you're an idiot.
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
I'll keep this around, Degrass Tyson.
I'm going to keep this clip of you around for a long time.
I'm going to put it in my little evergreens there.
We'll see.
We'll see what happens.
The evidence is mounting.
More and more evidence is mounting against this insanity.
You just have to make up more and more.
More laughter, please.
More laughter.
And I believe we're out of time, John.
I've got all kinds of stuff going on.
Yeah, we can move it on to Sunday.
We're going to move the show up a half an hour early on Sunday.
Just a half?
Or is that enough for you?
Is that going to work?
We can do a full hour if you want.
I mean, I'm okay with that.
Well, maybe.
It just makes me have to get up at 6.
Which I can do.
Yeah, maybe we can make it an hour.
Is there a reason why we're doing this?
Yes, because I'm going down to Los Angeles.
Los Angeles.
Oh, okay.
On an airplane.
This sounds fun.
You're flying on an airplane?
Yeah.
Are you not worried about the Ebola?
I'm going to just wear a mask.
I know there's some guys selling them.
So I'm going to get one of them masks and take some iodine pills because I understand that's good against Ebola.
And I just keep it to myself.
Now I'm going down to the Adobe Max.
I was waiting to hear what you're doing.
Yeah, I'm going to go look at some new products and take a few lessons and more photo foolery.
Some lessons.
Oh, nice.
Yeah, they have a lot of workshops.
I mean, like, it's really mostly workshops.
And they also roll out some stuff, and they have a lot of demos.
And it's just very...
It's good if you're a Photoshop user.
It's one of those things you get something out of it.
Okay.
Fair enough.
Shall we get out of here, then?
Shall we call it a day?
Yeah, let's do it.
Okay.
I think we have delivered.
I have some...
Good goods, as usual.
I have some fantastic...
Energy pipeline stuff for Sunday that I'm going to keep.
All right.
People will love that.
I know they're going to like that.
It's cool.
Stuff that a suratomic rod sent to me.
Yo, yo, yo.
Okay.
Miss Mickey coming home tonight.
I'm very excited.
Tonight is the night.
Change the sheets.
Oh, my.
Thanks for reminding me, John.
Have no fear, the seats are clean!
All right, well, just so you remember, it's real!
It's here!
Yep.
It's here.
It's real.
We're all gonna die.
Coming to you from FEMA Region 6, where we have Ebola now spread to a possible 120 people and the guy's half-brother.
Yeah.
In the morning, everybody, I am Adam Curry.
And from northern Silicon Valley, where there's no fear of Ebola.
New name, Ebola.
Ebola in these parts.
I'm John C. Dvorak.
We'll talk to you on Sunday right here on No Agenda.
I'll tell you this.
If Ebola breaks out in the United States, I'm going to quarantine myself wearing a mask.
I've already got it in place for my family.
We are here, hashtag America, near our hashtag target soon.
There's a need for a rescue mission.
When the world is threatened, the world needs help.
It calls on America.
And that's the story.
That sounds like news advertising to me.
That's how we roll.
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