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	And I went, oh wow, he said, oh wow, oh man.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, August 28th, 2014.
	It's time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 647.
	This is no agenda.
	Overflowing with premonitory urges here in the Wi-Fi-enabled canal's house, in the pipe, in the heart of Amsterdam.
	In the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And for Northern Silicon Valley, we're wondering what's going on over there.
	I'm John C. Borak.
	That's all right, because we have no idea what you said.
	Sex action.
	It's going to be one of those shows.
	For some reason, whenever I talk or when I send something to you, then you're just not audible at all.
	Okay.
	But hey, John, how you doing?
	Wozniak wants more wearables.
	I'm doing fine.
	How are you doing?
	I've been better.
	Do we have, like, a huge lag now all of a sudden as well, just to add to all of the issues we've been dealing with for the past hour?
	Do we or not?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So let me just, while we're doing this, and for those of you who are just tuning in, I'm in Amsterdam.
	John is in California, northern Silicon Valley.
	And you'd think in 2014 it wouldn't be that hard to just, you know, have a Skype call and have a little chat.
	It turns out it's very difficult.
	Intrigue.
	International intrigue.
	So let's just see what the lag is.
	Five, four, three, two, one.
	One.
	All right.
	But how long is it?
	Well, it's about a full second.
	Wait!
	One second leg?
	That means I have to step on your...
	Yes.
	To make it sound reasonable, I'm going to have to step on everything you do.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, so for the past hour, we've been trying to set everything up, and of course, we still want to deliver you the best podcast in the universe.
	We always do try to do that.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	And so the Skype connection has just been horrible.
	The router here, for some reason, one machine can't talk to the other.
	And now, I believe, John, you have your Comcast router set up with a giant fan on it to cool it down, because this has a little extra bonus.
	Yes.
	As a matter of fact, this Motorola surfboard, which is what I've got here, is less than a year old and it's crapped out, it overheats, and then the bandwidth goes from 50 to.5.
	And when did this start happening?
	This was actually a thing that began maybe two or three weeks ago, and actually maybe before that because Comcast was telling me I was having trouble with the modem.
	And over the last couple days, it's gotten so bad that the modem will only work for about five minutes before it drops, after you reset it and cool it off.
	I put it in the freezer yesterday.
	Yeah.
	And that didn't help.
	Everyone thought I was nuts when I pulled it out.
	What's that?
	So the only downside, the downer is, for some reason, SonicNet.
	Now this is always interesting to see how the internet works, and I believe we had the same thing when we were in Tokyo.
	SonicNet does not have great routing or peering, or I would say it's not peering, it's probably routing, but that may be associated with some peering, yeah.
	I would blame this less on SonicNet and more on AT&T. They piggyback on the AT&T lines to give us our connectivity, and AT&T probably does not have the same international routing agreements that Comcast has.
	So once you leave the country, because AT&T would love to gouge you for long-distance phone calls, as opposed to Comcast, they don't care.
	Yeah, but SonicNet has to have their own peering arrangements once they roll off of the AT&T network.
	They don't just piggyback on everything AT&T has.
	That doesn't make any sense.
	They're probably just using the AT&T domestic network.
	I don't know.
	Maybe they don't have good agreements.
	I'll talk to them about it and ask them what the deal is because it's mediocre.
	I mean, and the thing is, we're confined.
	I'm looking at the numbers with the speed, very speed test, and it's just the same as it's always been.
	No difference.
	Interesting.
	Well, you know, who knows?
	But we've always seen a difference overseas between SonicNet and Comcast, but now we have this very annoying, it's just the, you drop out.
	Well, it's not even, the lag is one thing, but you talk and then, it's like you'll say a word, so the word will be houseboat, and it'll come through like this.
	Houseboat.
	Boat.
	Somewhere the internet decides to hold on to that word and not just give it to me.
	I think because of the lag we should say over.
	10-4, good buddy.
	Let's try that.
	Over.
	Okay.
	Oh my goodness.
	Anyway, and let me just hit record.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	I've been recording.
	Yeah, I hope.
	The problem is it's like, you know...
	It's possible.
	So how was your trip over?
	What was the, like...
	Working with TSA, you might as well discuss this, and I won't have to interrupt.
	Good.
	Well, let me see.
	TSA was even better than the last time.
	Of course, now that I'm a trusted traveler, a trusted citizen of the system, This time I was flying on Delta to Atlanta from Austin's Bergstrom Airport.
	So again, you're going through the Trusted Traveler TSA pre-check line is better.
	It is actually better than pre-9-11 travel.
	And I looked, John.
	As I went through the metal detector, again, I left my belt on, and the only thing I had to put into my bag was my money clip and keys, everything else I could keep on, which they're always yelling, you know, take that off in the normal lines.
	And, of course, I didn't go off.
	You know what we had agreed for me to do, right?
	Yeah, you're going to check it out, see if the thing's turned on.
	I touched the side.
	It did not go off.
	Okay, then it's not turned on.
	I turned around as I'm waiting for my bags to come through.
	I see three red lights on the right-hand side indicating that it's on, but it never went green.
	And at the top it's supposed to have numbers that show, like, not on.
	That display was not even on.
	So I don't think it's on.
	I think it's probably...
	This is what they've done.
	Here's what my theory is.
	They've decided that they've got broken equipment.
	What are we going to do with this broken equipment?
	Hey, put it in the pre-check line.
	That's a good idea.
	But they're also friendly.
	They're nice.
	They're joking around.
	Hey, Bill, Jim, what are we going to do with these friendly guys?
	You guys are...
	You've been trained not to be friendly.
	What's wrong with you guys?
	Put those fuckers in the pre-check line.
	Exactly.
	So they're also, they're rejects.
	You've got to reject.
	Yeah, they're obvious rejects, so they throw them into the pre-check line.
	Exactly.
	I'm in agreement with you there.
	But then, so my bag goes through, and of course now I have the bag, it's really stacked with my studio.
	I have the, I think I've got maybe more wires than normal.
	And the guy stops it, and he's doing the color change.
	You know, if you look at my bag, What are you doing?
	What are you doing?
	John?
	Yeah.
	What are you doing?
	It makes a noise when you do that.
	They push that button.
	They push a button.
	It makes a noise.
	Yeah.
	I'm making a noise.
	All right.
	Try not to get fancy with the Skype connection because it sounded like you were dying.
	I had no idea what was going on.
	Yeah, well, you're not going to be able to do much about it if that happens.
	No fancy sound effects.
	So they were changing the colors and you were going...
	Blue, orange, red.
	Yeah, and I'm looking.
	And it's very obvious what he's looking at.
	It's the microphone.
	And this is the Rotor Procaster.
	And it has some ridges on it.
	Yeah, it does have a unique sex toy-like appearance.
	And he's looking at it.
	And I'm waiting.
	And again, this is the friendly crew.
	So I say, that's my microphone.
	I'm talking across the whole thing there, right?
	He's on the other side of the x-ray machine.
	That's my microphone.
	What he should have said at the time was, Hello, Mom!
	And people out there will get that joke.
	Yeah.
	No, you would have expected, Don't talk to me, sir.
	Step away.
	But no, this is the friendly crew with the broken equipment.
	And he says, Oh, is that what it is?
	Okay, have a nice day.
	I'm telling you, this is better.
	Do you remember pre-9-11 when you had those overweight women who were standing around just like...
	Like they really did not care at all?
	At least that was the way it was at Newark Airport.
	A bunch of overweight, undisinterested women and you just...
	So now they don't care.
	They're not actually interested in protecting anybody.
	They're friendly about it.
	So I'd say it's a step up and it's better.
	And it once again proves that in America, as long as you have money, you can live like an American.
	If you have $140 and time to go and do your pre-check interview, which is bogus, but it takes a day, Then you can go back to being an American and feeling free in your own country.
	So it just takes money, that's all.
	If you have no money, you might as well get out.
	This is where I'm hoping you're still on the program with me.
	No.
	Let's take a look.
	Yeah, we disconnected.
	It's going to be one of those shows.
	There you go.
	Let's see what happens if we can get him back.
	Looks like maybe everything disconnected now.
	I don't see the chat room working anymore.
	Okay.
	Yeah, it looks like my entire connection died here.
	Well, that would make sense, wouldn't it?
	Okay.
	Yo, yo, yo, yo.
	You there?
	Yeah.
	I think it's on my end.
	What's on your end?
	The problem.
	Yeah, I would think so.
	You're the only variable here.
	Yeah, okay.
	Good point.
	Strange.
	I know you always like to blame me for these things, but...
	No, no, no.
	I'm not trying to blame you at all.
	I'm just trying to make it work.
	So did you hear the final bit of that, or did we...
	No.
	No, you said something about them being nice, and then where you finished off was where the microphone, the guy says, oh, yeah, that makes sense, and then that part, after that, I kind of missed it.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, I was saying that it's actually kind of nice that it proves that if you have money in America, you can be a true American.
	You need $140 to go take this stupid, bogative interview, which is nothing.
	And you have to have a day to take off.
	And then it's better than pre-9-11 because you have the same...
	It's exactly the same as it used to be, except these aren't...
	Honestly, it was overweight women.
	Disinterested, overweight women at Newark Airport who would not give a crap and just like, yeah, put your keys in here right next.
	I thought you were flying out of Atlanta.
	I'm giving you my pre-9-11 experiences.
	Oh, okay.
	So pre-9-11 at Newark Airport where I used to fly, disinterested, overweight women who would just be...
	And now at least you have engaged, happy people who are totally faking it.
	They don't care.
	And all you need is money.
	They might care.
	They don't care.
	They do not.
	Not for a second.
	They don't care.
	They cared enough to ask you about the microphone they thought was a dildo.
	No.
	But that's what I'm saying.
	They're nice.
	Unlike the disinterested women pre-9-11, these are dudes and women and they're all the nice people and they're engaged and they're happy and they're smiling.
	It must be...
	I think you're wrong.
	I think it's...
	It's a perk.
	It's a benefit.
	If you've done something good, then you get to go to the preacher.
	You don't think they're the rejects?
	Okay, let's line up in order of being surly.
	What am I thinking?
	Yeah, boss, what?
	You're smiling too much.
	What am I thinking?
	I'm so silly.
	Yeah, give me a break.
	Okay, so then I'm on the other side, and I bump into Eric, the constitutional lawyer, who's on his way to Boise, Idaho for a case.
	And, you know, I'm a big fan of Eric, and he's the guy that one day is going to take me to the Supreme Court, and I can carry a suitcase.
	Hold on a second.
	You bumped into him by accident?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	He's on a dick.
	This is in Austin, not Atlanta.
	I'm still in Austin, okay?
	Not in Atlanta.
	I transferred in Atlanta.
	Okay, okay.
	So we haven't seen each other, and we're talking, and he says, I'm worried.
	So what are you worried about?
	Well, you know, ISIS coming into America and killing ISIS. No!
	I'm like, no!
	And this is what I realized.
	I said, Eric, he listens to a show when he can, typically when he's flying, actually.
	So yeah, he's listened to one or two.
	So he didn't have one ready to go, of course.
	I said, Eric, I know you don't listen to the show, but I understand.
	You're a busy guy.
	You're a lawyer.
	You're out there fighting for the French fry manufacturer, whatever you're doing, or against the French fry manufacturer.
	I don't know what you're doing, but you're not listening to the show.
	Did you see this bogus video of the beheading?
	No, I know.
	I don't have to see that.
	I'm not interested.
	And that's when I realized, oh, this is so good.
	All you need is...
	It's almost like the Benghazi thing.
	You just need a video that actually...
	You could have stick figures, okay?
	You could have a whiteboard with stick figures and say, this is the beheading video, and then get rid of it and then have Twitter say, oh, even LiveLeak, oh, we're not going to show any more beheading videos.
	And then you just keep referring to it, and then no one ever goes to look and see, taxi Eric here, another Eric, coincidentally, in Amsterdam.
	He's like, oh man, you know, because now, oh yes, here in Amsterdam, we have, are you ready for it?
	The polder jihadis.
	Oh yeah, baby.
	The polder jihadis.
	Yes, you know what a polder is, yeah?
	Like a poldergeist.
	That's polder.
	A polder, the Netherlands, is 70% reclaimed land.
	When you reclaim the land, it's called a polder.
	Okay.
	So now the ISIS fighters here, who magically are somehow leaving the country and going to join ISIS, are called polder jihadis.
	And it gets better, because Foley's guard was one of these polder jihadis.
	I bet you hadn't heard that news, had you?
	I thought he was a Brit.
	No, that's the guy who cut his head off.
	Sought it off.
	Let's get that straight.
	Abu Obaida el Maghreba was the alias of the Dutch jihadi who was running the jail that contained Jim Foley and other journalists.
	It's just localized, John.
	It's just a local story.
	You won't read this anywhere but here.
	And I think it would be reasonable to expect somewhere in some U.S. reporting for someone to say, oh, we know another guy.
	Not only do we have Jihad John from the U.K., but we knew the Dutch guy.
	Again, Eric's one of these guys.
	Did you see this video, this Bogutavid?
	No, man, I don't want to look at that.
	What, do you think I'm a sicko?
	You're right.
	This is a great form of propaganda.
	Let's play a couple clips here.
	This is a Department of Defense guy who came on to something called the Steamboat Institute.
	And he's an ex-Bush guy who is not even important enough to be other than a deputy assistant.
	Mm-hmm.
	Department of Defense, the Secretary of Defense or something along those lines.
	And he comes on with all this hairy, scary stuff.
	And I just want to play, I got some short clips here, play DOD Psycho 1 so he can catch up with what's going on.
	That they're, with this ISIS group that's involved in Iraq and Syria, that there are more terrorists in any one place at any one time than we've ever seen before.
	And that includes pre-9-11 Afghanistan.
	And this is frightening stuff.
	As you know, they've taken a large swath of land that includes, as Frank mentioned, Iraq and Syria.
	And they've established a Muslim state, a caliphate, led by a caliph.
	And they've left, if you're following the news, even before this tragic death of this American journalist, they've left the trail of death, destruction and depravity in their wake.
	These guys are so bad...
	That Al-Qaeda has disavowed them.
	Wait a minute, the audience should have said, how bad are they?
	That would have been good.
	How bad are they?
	Now this character...
	This, by the way, this is the ongoing meme.
	These guys...
	They're so bad that even Al-Qaeda didn't want them.
	I mean, it turns out, who would have ever thought, let's just put it on our thinking caps, doobies.
	Who would have ever thought that Al-Qaeda had a conscience?
	I had no idea.
	I had no idea that somewhere Al-Qaeda woke up.
	And I think this should be a point of discussion.
	I would like to know where at Al-Qaeda headquarters, and of course, you know, Al-Qaeda clearly had some meeting, some power.
	It was a conference call.
	Maybe a video conference call.
	Maybe it was a Google Hangout.
	And they all said, yeah, Mohammed!
	Is Ahmed here?
	Mohammed!
	Can you hear me on Skype?
	Mohammed!
	Mohammed!
	Yes!
	Mohammed!
	It's Ahmed here!
	I mean, wait a minute.
	You're Ahmed, I'm Ahmed.
	Who am I? I'm Ahmed.
	I'm Mohammed.
	You're Mohammed.
	Yes.
	Man, the Skype is really sucking today.
	Ali Akbar!
	Ali Akbar to you and screw those guys.
	They're taking all our headlines.
	What are we going to do about it?
	We have to say we can't be with them.
	Why am I German?
	And now I'm all of a sudden German Al-Qaeda.
	Well, most of the Germans are al-Qaeda.
	We'll go back to this discussion, but let's finish with DOD Psycho 2.
	This is the al-Qaeda that flew planes into buildings in New York City and in Washington, D.C. Even those guys can't believe these ISIS. These guys, I mean, it was one thing to fly jets into World Trade Center, you know, but these guys.
	We're talking about almost 13 years ago.
	That's how bad this group is.
	And it has America in its crosshairs.
	In its crotch hairs.
	Reported recently and...
	Sorry.
	I couldn't resist.
	People have been talking about for quite some time that ISIS has been...
	has training camps in Iraq.
	With monkey bars.
	No.
	And Syria.
	Probably more Syria.
	Their headquarters...
	Wait a minute.
	No, these...
	They train in the pickup truck where they run and jump in the pickup truck and then they each pick a side.
	I've seen their training camp.
	Capital is in Raqqa, is in Syria, northern Syria.
	And they have been establishing training camps, not only to teach the terrorist dark arts to those who will come and fight the Syrian regime.
	The terrorist, dark arts.
	Are you writing this down, John?
	Dark arts.
	It's very dark arts.
	The Iraqi government, but also to train foreign fighters to return to their native lands to undertake acts of terror at some point.
	And then, just recently, I think about a week ago...
	Who was the audience for this?
	Dorks.
	A bunch of, looks like, fretting old women.
	This is a steamboat institute.
	Fretting old women.
	A bunch of retired guys.
	VFW. Maybe some military.
	I don't know.
	Did they pay an entrance fee?
	Like a cover charge?
	I think so.
	Did they pay...
	Pay to listen to these idiots.
	And this guy's frightening the public.
	An unnamed U.S. intelligence official, I believe this article is in the Washington Post, at least the one I saw, there may have been some other as well, said that they believe ISIS is trying to establish cells in Europe to undertake terrorist attacks and potentially the United States.
	So if you hear what the U.S. government is saying publicly about this, you can imagine there's probably a lot of other stuff they're not talking about because of sensitive intelligence sources and methods.
	Can I just slip in a cliff?
	Sensitive intelligence sources and methods.
	Yeah, don't ask.
	Don't ask about that.
	Senator Barrasso, he's a Republican.
	I'm not sure where he's from.
	He must be from the South.
	Maybe not.
	I don't know.
	Barrasso, do you know where he's from?
	Doesn't matter.
	I can look him up.
	He has statistics.
	About the Europeans.
	You see, you have to understand, and it's working over here.
	The headlines, the papers, I've got in the airplane, John.
	I've got the Telegraph, the Telegraph, and I've got the Volkskrant.
	It's kind of two ends of the newspaper spectrum.
	One is really populous and full of crap, and the other one is really intelligent and full of crap.
	John Barrasso, Republican from Wyoming.
	Wyoming.
	There you go.
	And it's filled with them.
	We have the hate imams here.
	The hate imams.
	The hate imam preaches hate.
	And he preaches hate and creates the polder jihadis.
	And the polder jihadis hate the Jews.
	And the hate imams hate the Jews.
	And the Jews are all afraid.
	This is quite unique to the Netherlands, of course, because we have this history.
	And it's very easy to rile people up and say we've got the Jews.
	And then...
	And bankrupt.
	What?
	Anne Bancroft.
	Isn't she the one that was hiding in the thing?
	Cultural reference, yes.
	So, you know, we have to...
	He has percentages of people who support ISIS. And, of course, ISIS is doing pro-ISIS demonstrations here in the Netherlands.
	And they have to be able to do that because it's their freedom of speech, you see.
	We can't stop them.
	We can have a conversation with them, but we can't stop them because it's their freedom of speech.
	This place...
	Anne Frank.
	Yes, Anne Frank.
	That is our...
	Not Anne.
	Bankrupt.
	Bankrupt.
	I did.
	That's very good.
	So everyone is very uptight, and you can see the people walking here.
	They are zombified, and they are so afraid of everything that they are just pretending like nothing is wrong.
	And I can see it.
	I can feel it.
	I feel it on everything.
	The papers are filled with it.
	I feel so bad for these people.
	I really do.
	Well, you should feel bad for...
	It should feel bad for the American proletariat.
	Before you finish your thing, I do want to just throw in the DOD psycho clip three, which is a shorty, which I think summarizes everything, then we can continue.
	Okay, I don't have a three.
	I have a psycho kicker.
	Yeah, that doesn't say three.
	You're right.
	ISIS has said, I mean, has said they plan to raise al-Qaeda's flag over the White House.
	I think we have to take them at their word.
	We've been mistaken.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, ye of little faith.
	Raise it over.
	All right.
	All right.
	Let me play a couple of ISIS scary clips here from the EU perspective.
	New proof.
	ISIS has plans to commit terrorism, and the plans are global.
	Global!
	This is Greta.
	This is Fox.
	This is your Fox News agency, ladies and gentlemen.
	ISIS has plans.
	The plans are global.
	The United States, the United Kingdom, and France, and that's just for starters.
	Yeah, where's the Netherlands?
	China, Russia!
	12,000 foreign fighters from at least 50 countries.
	50, John.
	Count them.
	50 countries.
	All fighting for that very barbaric terrorist group.
	Very barbaric.
	In Syria.
	The majority of them are for ISIS and the scariest part of all.
	Scariest.
	Now listen to her cadence.
	She's like, she's talking to Romper Room.
	She's going, and the scariest part of all.
	Hold on, let me roll back a little bit more.
	This is so good.
	This group in Syria, the majority of them are for ISIS and the scariest part of all.
	Did you hear that?
	Yes, I did.
	I'm frightened now.
	It's scary.
	It's the scariest part of all.
	Terrorist group in Syria, the majority of them are for ISIS and the scariest part of all is right here in America.
	At least 140 of those jihadists are Americans.
	That means they have American passports.
	The State Department released the streaming numbers just one day after news that an American was killed while fighting for ISIS in Syria.
	Hold on, Ben.
	Let me go to Barrasso for a second.
	You've got to hear this guy with his percentages.
	Where do you find 16% of the population to support ISIS? 16%.
	16% of the French support ISIS. Not 15%.
	Not 17%.
	16%.
	It's very disturbing, very distressing.
	I've seen the poll results.
	You know, they say that some of these people, it tends to be younger, and those who are immigrants from Muslim countries who are living in France.
	So it's a huge concern, and it shows me that the threat to the United States is even greater, especially when you see it was a British citizen.
	What?
	Hold on a second.
	The logic, this is what I'm going to actually be discussing mostly on this show today, besides the dropouts.
	The logic, the logical inconsistencies and the leaps of faith are outrageous.
	Why would it be greater in a million years than it would be in France where you have a huge kind of displaced Muslim immigrant population?
	Tell me.
	I'm asking you.
	Why would it be greater in the United States?
	It makes no sense whatsoever.
	He is making it up on the spot.
	And the best part, these numbers come from the oh-so-respected Pew Polling Agency.
	Everybody is all in on this.
	And I'm going to say up front, yes.
	Someone may die somewhere from something, but you people are being terrorized by your leaders, your elected officials, your unelected officials, and it is disgusting to see what is happening here.
	And people who are not on top, who do not pay attention, who do not do one little bit of...
	You don't have to do research.
	If someone says, hey, they beheaded this guy, there's a video, go look at the video!
	You cannot leave this up to chance anymore.
	You are being duped and terrorized.
	Duped.
	Immigrants from Muslim countries who are living in France.
	So it's a huge concern, and it shows me that the threat to the United States is even greater, especially when you see it was a British citizen who beheaded James Foley.
	That savage act, and you know, that was called a message to America when they sent the video.
	I'm not even going to dignify that entire paragraph with anything.
	Who is Senator Barrasso?
	The UK, looking at the numbers, Germany is 2%.
	2%, only 2%.
	What?
	UK, 7%.
	Gaza, 13%.
	It shows that this group, ISIS, which we know is bloodthirsty.
	Hey, Ahmed, got some blood?
	I'm thirsty.
	I've got some here.
	I've got some fresh blood.
	Let me drink the blood.
	I need some blood for a moment.
	Oh, yes.
	We're at ISIS, we're bloodthirsty!
	They are well-armed, they are dangerous people with deadly weapons, and I believe they're coming from America.
	That's what they have said.
	So they have folks from other countries supporting them, some of our NATO allies, people you wouldn't think would be friendly to them, which shows that the threat to the United States is even greater.
	Okay, I need to stop this for a second.
	It shows us the threat is even...
	I cannot believe this a-hole.
	This is a senator.
	People of Wyoming, vote this idiot out!
	Boris Johnson, mayor of London, wrote an op-ed.
	It's pretty much all you have to do as mayor of London.
	You just eat, you drink some ale, and you write a column from time to time.
	And his solution, and I think the people of London will go for this, and it's going to be very funny when they wake up one day and they're not allowed to travel or they're going to a certain country and you get arrested.
	I have to read some of this column, and then we need to talk about the picture.
	So he says, let's assume he is indeed who he sounds like, another deluded British-born jihadi.
	I'm afraid I've listened on the Telegraph website to the voice of the man who claims to be the killer of James Foley, and there seems little doubt that he grew up in this country.
	He was probably born in our wonderful national health system.
	He was schooled in a broadly excellent education system.
	He and his family have very likely spent their lives, like the rest of us, cushioned by our welfare state.
	And he goes on and on and on.
	But then he says...
	Oh, and then even he talks about the 72 virgins...
	We are going to have to make up our minds very quickly about this caliphate, this ugly caliphate business, I say, how we will respond to the interruption of a new and hellish country on the map, and how we will deal with these Brits who have gone off and fight in its name.
	These ISIL wackos now control an area the size of Great Britain, considerable oil reserves, a population of about six million, some industry, and some military capability, said to be second in the region only to Israel.
	I tell you!
	What?
	What airplanes do they have?
	You ask the question, I don't have to actually answer them, because otherwise it would slow down too much.
	He has some ideas here as to what to do.
	We need to be far more effective in preventing British and other foreigners from getting out there.
	And he says in parentheses, I'm interested to see how many Belgians are there.
	Whatever that non sequitur is.
	And the Turks need to shut that border.
	We need to make it crystal clear that you will be arrested if you go out to Syria or Iraq without good reason.
	I'm going to reread that for you without the silly accent.
	The mayor of London says, we need to make it crystal clear that you will be arrested if you go out to Syria or Iraq without good reason.
	Pre-crime.
	Yes, sir.
	At present, the police are finding it very difficult to stop people from simply flying out via Germany, crossing the border, doing their ghastly jihadi tourism.
	They're...
	Doing their ghastly jihadi tourism.
	Why don't they put a stop to these tourist operations that are setting up these tours?
	And coming back, the police...
	Jihadi tourism.
	Includes a boat ride.
	Ha ha!
	Include pickup ride.
	What are you talking about?
	Boat ride.
	Get it right in the pickup.
	Include meal ready to eat.
	One shot from Uzi.
	Does anyone read this and not say to themselves, is he insane?
	The police can and do interview the returnees, but it's hard to press charges without evidence.
	Yes, this is what we have in a state of law and order, Mr.
	Boris Johnson.
	The law needs a swift and minor change.
	I will repeat that.
	The law needs a swift and minor change.
	So there is a rebuttable presumption that all those visiting war areas without notifying the authorities have done so for a terrorist purpose.
	Write that down.
	Rebuttable presumption.
	This is pre-crime, and you laugh at it now because it's only for Syria and Iraq, but they'll add Germany.
	Add Germany to it.
	You go to Germany without a rebuttable presumption, or with a rebuttable presumption, you go to Germany without notifying the authorities that you're going there, then you were there as a terrorist.
	Now, John, go to this webpage.
	I want you to take a look at the picture that he has posted.
	This is the mayor of London.
	It is itm.im.
	Ready?
	Yeah, I was looking up this Barrasso asshole.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, I'm sorry about this URL. Itm.im slash...
	Itm.im slash...
	W21wy.
	Okay.
	And then, you got the page?
	No, I'm waiting for more letters and numbers.
	That's it.
	Hit return.
	You got it?
	Okay.
	Now, this is...
	This is from the ISIL promotional video.
	Now, I want you to take a look at this.
	Look at their wearing...
	I'm not talking white.
	I'm talking so white, these gym shoes they're wearing.
	Yes, they're wearing brand new Nikes.
	In the desert.
	And by the way, no one is wearing combat boots.
	Not a single one.
	I've been to the desert on a horse with no name.
	I've been to Iraq.
	And I had boots.
	And this is the same set they're putting that Mars rover on, man.
	This is bullcrap.
	Now look at these machine guns they have in the air with the tripod sticking out.
	This is not how anyone who's been schooled at all in any type of warfare carries their machine gun.
	These are actors.
	This is bullcrap.
	This is complete bullcrap.
	Well, you saw the thing I put in the newsletter.
	Oh yeah, they explained to everybody.
	If you didn't get the newsletter, you missed out on these photos, which were taken from a video that RT had, where they had a bunch of these jokers standing on the corner with their flags and banners, and then it was just all B-roll, and then they all got down on their hands and knees to pray to Allah.
	But the joke of it was, because this is apparently done by someone who doesn't even know anything.
	I mean, even I spotted this.
	They're praying in every which direction.
	They're not all pointing toward Mecca, which is the way you pray to Allah.
	You're always pointing in the same direction.
	There's iPhone apps to show you which direction to pray.
	You just don't drop down and pray in any old which way.
	There's also that thing called, what is it?
	Oh yeah, the sun.
	It's a pretty good indication.
	The sun.
	Use that.
	But the iPhone app is what they use.
	Anyway.
	But just look at this.
	And where are the tens of thousands?
	This is 15 guys.
	And it's all brand spanking new.
	This is central casting.
	People, you can laugh at me.
	You can call me an a-hole.
	You can shun me.
	You can never listen to this program.
	I am telling you, this is fake.
	This picture...
	Posted by the Telegraph with the column of the Mayor of London is fake.
	And look at these trucks, these Toyota trucks that got behind them.
	No mud, no dust.
	No, hold on, John.
	No mud, no dust.
	You cannot walk for 10 minutes in Iraq, in this desert where they are.
	It's dusty.
	Does anybody but me see product placement going on here with this Toyota bullcrap?
	Yeah, no, of course!
	In the videos that RT was showing, the truck was backed up so the logo was clearly visible.
	Well, yeah.
	Of course.
	Nothing like a Toyota in the desert!
	That's part of our jihadi tourism package!
	This is...
	Actually, we got a pretty good email about the beheading video.
	Hold on a second.
	I want to read that.
	A couple of issues.
	Yes.
	This is from Itoast.
	Good morning, Adam.
	John was listening to episode 646.
	Notice an error as you quoted at approximately 2 hours and 16 minutes and 19 seconds.
	Thanks for the approximation.
	They're not all wearing baklavas.
	As a correction, you were likely intending to say balaclava.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	I was making a joke, but it's okay.
	For those who have been deployed...
	Oh, are you back?
	13 minutes.
	Was it really right on the money?
	Yes.
	Well, this is a little 14, closer to 14.
	Okay.
	But I'm telling you, this is something they're doing.
	They're just basically cutting off the connection.
	It's okay.
	Fine.
	We have an email.
	Yes.
	Right.
	Okay.
	This is about episode 646.
	Notice an error as you quoted approximately 2-16-19.
	They're not all wearing baklavas.
	And yes, it was a joke.
	Of course, balaclava.
	Baklava with flies and bees.
	Balaclavas.
	For those who have been deployed to the Middle East, they will also recognize this as a shemag.
	a shimag or a kafia, which is a versatile and culturally significant headdress.
	There are specific ways a shimag can be worn.
	Most often it is tied as the following clip will show.
	And there's a clip in the video you don't have to look at.
	If you go to the show notes, you can check it out.
	Interestingly enough, that Jihadi John, the British guy with the balaclava on, appears to have tied it in the British SAS fashion and not in the ISIS.
	Very good catch.
	Very good catch.
	Good catch.
	Now, can I mention one other thing just while you've got this picture of the Boris Johnson's group?
	Yeah.
	You've been in this area of the world.
	In 2004, when it was a war, yes, I've been there, yes.
	And we're right in the middle of summer.
	Which would be very hot in that area.
	And by very hot, I mean 140.
	Let's take a look at...
	And these guys are wearing all black.
	Let's take a look at the current temperature.
	Are you telling me these guys are going to wear all black in these conditions with a big furry thing over their head?
	This is bull crap.
	This video is from Iraq's Neveha province.
	So let me see what the current temperature is.
	Current temperature in...
	John, it's only 42 degrees centigrade.
	Well, that's 108.
	Yeah, it's 108 and they're wearing all black.
	Yeah, it makes sense.
	This is...
	You're wearing all black with a black mask.
	This is completely bogative.
	And you are being...
	You're just being ripped off.
	Everyone's being ripped off.
	Let's listen to more of this Barroso guy.
	I keep saying Barroso.
	Barroso.
	He's just...
	It's...
	What?
	This is a United States senator.
	Well, not to be flip, but...
	I mean, the idea...
	I mean, Al-Qaeda threw ISIS out this spring because they were too violent.
	I mean, do you know how bad you have to be to have Al-Qaeda think you're too violent and too awful?
	No, why don't you look into that and let me know and tell me how this meeting went.
	Who made this up?
	Where is the press release from Al-Qaeda saying these guys are so bad?
	Oh no, we can't have them.
	Look at them.
	They want to wear black in 108 degree weather with beautifully pristine white Nikes.
	We can't have that.
	These guys are bad.
	And they control a huge area.
	Lots of money.
	Lots of money.
	Lots of oil.
	They've taken that.
	They have weapons as well.
	They have manpower.
	They've got Toyotas.
	They've got just pristine white Nikes.
	All of those things that control an area larger than the state of Indiana and want to continue to grow.
	And I think it's incumbent now on the president of the United States.
	That's such a great reference.
	Does anyone except people in Indiana know how big that is?
	Well, if you notice, Boris Johnson said it was the size of Great Britain, so everyone uses local references.
	But this guy's from Wyoming.
	Well, they're going to get to the size of Wyoming eventually, right?
	Now it's Indiana.
	An area larger than the state of Indiana and want to continue to...
	Can we just take a look at the size of the state of Indiana?
	Maybe it's a way of disparaging Indiana.
	Possibly.
	Indiana and Great Britain.
	Can we...
	Overlay those two.
	Let me just see.
	Can we compare?
	Map Fight.
	That's what I want.
	You go to Map Fight.
	All right, MapFight.
	MapFight?
	MapFight goes off and it gives you the sizes?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I never did this.
	Yeah, so we can do Great Britain.
	Let me see if I can...
	Or UK. Maybe it'll just have UK. I think it's only countries.
	Ah, that's a bummer.
	No, no, it is.
	Oh, no, you can do it.
	Okay.
	So United Kingdom, where is it?
	It's MapFight.AppSpot.com.
	This will be worth it, I think.
	MapFight.AppSpot?
	Yes.
	Hmm.
	Okay, this would be worth it.
	Okay, so Indiana.
	Can I find Indiana?
	Yes, I have Indiana.
	And now I need to...
	Oh, they won't have ISIL in there.
	No, we need Great Britain.
	Great Britain.
	Where's Great Britain?
	They don't have Great Britain, I see.
	They got the Caspian Kingdom.
	Here we go, here we go.
	And we're comparing...
	This is going to be very good.
	This is going to be interesting.
	Oh, please, not even close.
	Oh, these guys are making it up.
	Yeah, Indiana is a third of Great Britain.
	Yeah, but, yeah, he said Great Britain too.
	Here, Indiana is 0.39 times as big as the United Kingdom.
	Well, I'm sorry about that.
	I believe, by the way, and I believe the Indiana guys...
	I believe the Indiana analogy is closer, because Great Britain is a lot of land.
	It's actually pretty big.
	I mean, it's not monstrous.
	Let's move on.
	It wasn't all that great.
	Hold on a second.
	I've got to check Texas for sure.
	I think it's incumbent now on the President of the United States as Commander-in-Chief to show leadership, to come forward and express to the American people, articulate the threat that we as Americans face, and what he's going to do in a comprehensive way to deal with this direct Okay, so you're on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
	He's on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
	He's not just some schmuck.
	He said that this should be debated on Capitol Hill.
	He's a Democrat.
	So has the Senate Foreign Relations Committee had any sort of contact with the president or even begin discussing this at all?
	Is he just speaking with his military leadership?
	I think the president is speaking with his military leadership, has not come to Congress at all.
	I don't think you ought to let Congress off the hook.
	Congress ought to be able to and have to stand up because this is the way that you interface with voters at home.
	But the president needs...
	All right, I'm tired of him.
	So he's just a complete a-hole.
	Let's just listen to another senator, okay?
	Why not?
	Which one?
	How about Senator Bob Corker?
	Oh, Corker.
	Where's he from?
	It doesn't matter.
	We know that you've been pushing for a coordinated U.S. effort to go after ISIS in both Iraq and Syria.
	In fact, you've talked about arming Syrian opposition forces for more than a year.
	And just yesterday you called ISIS a demonic group of people that needs to be dealt with.
	But you don't think U.S. troops will be sent in.
	This, by the way, for the rest of the world.
	Tennessee.
	Tennessee.
	For the rest of the world, Americans don't even know this.
	This is how you sell death and destruction to the American people.
	Another Republican, I might add.
	Yes.
	Oh, yeah.
	This is how we do it.
	We go on television and we tell people, first, some bullcrap thing happens.
	That, you know, people die every single day and all kinds of horror.
	And Saudi Arabia has decapitated, beheaded, I'm sorry, 20 people in the past month alone.
	Doesn't matter.
	And then we say, we use this, we hype it up, we make it crazy, we make up all these statistics, make things up, and then we say, we've got to go in, we've got to go take care of business with a steely, cold, hard look.
	We've got to go kill some people.
	Are they brown?
	Do they live in the sand?
	Ah!
	Let me start here.
	What should Congress' role be, and what do you want Congress' role to be in this decision by the President?
	Well, Chuck, we should certainly authorize this.
	I know the president has been sending over through the War Powers Act notifications.
	Very interesting.
	So he is saying we should certainly authorize this, but there's a little gotcha here.
	These guys, Senate and Congress, they want the power.
	They want the power because we need to...
	Hook up our buddies.
	We need...
	This is money.
	Cash money.
	We gotta get the whole military-industrial complex rolling.
	It doesn't get any better.
	We're now going to...
	Create funds for the military-industrial complex, which is just a word, but it's Lockheed, it's Raytheon, it's the people who make the weaponry, and we're going to give this to other brown people who are going to go kill other brown people.
	This is perfect!
	Not a single white or black American soldier has to die, and we still make all the money, and we look like heroes because we stopped the horrible guys who Al-Qaeda kicked out.
	If you don't see the scam before your eyes...
	This is not clear.
	Relative to specific excursions, it's been interesting to watch.
	And what that does, Chuck, is it gives them 60 days of activity without coming back to Congress.
	But this is going to have to be something far more coordinated.
	It's going to obviously need to take place in Iraq and in Syria.
	Oh, in Iraq and Syria.
	It's not just in Syria.
	We've got to go to Iraq and Syria.
	Two places.
	Obviously, Chuck.
	...to be effective.
	They have not yet shared with us what their plans are.
	I've checked in several times over the last several days, and unusually, I haven't heard back.
	One of the things they could try to do, Chuck, is to use the 2001 AUMF... Authorized use of military force.
	...to Afghanistan.
	It's a 60-word authorization.
	How great is America?
	With 60 words, we can come and kill you.
	Hello!
	60 words!
	It's very broad.
	I hope that is not what they will do.
	I hope what they will instead do is come to Congress and ask for a new authorization for a new threat that has evolved over time.
	We ask if ISIL even comes under the mandate that they were given.
	See, the lawyers are now coming out.
	They're all lawyers.
	Hey, you need a new mandate.
	You need to come to us, son.
	They wouldn't answer the question.
	So again, look, for the American people's sake, Congress should weigh in.
	Congress should be a part of this.
	Congress should own whatever we're doing in the military.
	That's all you need to know.
	Congress should own this.
	We should be owning this money that's going out there.
	Let's bring in our old friend, a-hole extraordinaire, Lindsey Graham.
	And Senator Graham, I am trying to kind of home in on what is the immediate threat to the homeland?
	Because there are a number of people saying it's really not an immediate threat.
	It has to be dealt with.
	It's a threat to the region, but it's not an immediate threat.
	Candy Crawley, do you like life?
	Are you not...
	Medically and mentally altogether with this question?
	To the U.S. Well, I would argue that the intel that we've been provided in Congress is that there are hundreds of American citizens holding U.S. passports.
	There are European citizens going to the fight that can penetrate America by having European-U.S. passports.
	Let's just review for a second.
	First, he is now...
	He is...
	Going against what the Pentagon says.
	And he's saying, we in Congress have better intelligence than the Pentagon.
	Okay.
	A lot of jihadists have flocked to the area.
	They flocked, because, you know, jihadis flock.
	They've expressed the will to hit the homeland.
	That's part of their agenda, is to drive us out of the Mideast.
	They have expressed the will to hit the homeland.
	Do they have the capability to hit the homeland?
	Home line?
	Home run?
	Home what?
	Something like that.
	I don't care.
	I would say yes.
	It's about time now to assume the worst about these guys.
	It's about time you assume the worst about these guys.
	I tell you, it's the worst.
	Hello, where's it?
	I do declare I think it's time for us to assume the worst about these jihadis.
	They have their tourism.
	They're over there.
	They've got all the capabilities.
	I think they will be hitting the homeland anytime soon.
	Would you disagree with me, Ms.
	Crowley?
	Would you like to take that?
	Do you think that you'd be the one to have that on your conscience?
	Rather than underestimating them, they're not the JV team anymore.
	They're the most prominent terrorist organization in the world.
	I repeat, do you want this on your conscience?
	Wait, wait, hold on a second.
	Yes.
	He's doing a basketball reference or a football reference and he's saying they're not the JV team, junior varsity.
	That's what the president said.
	That's why he's bringing that up again.
	But did he say JD? I hope not.
	Let me listen one more time.
	Not the JV team.
	I think he is saying the JD team.
	No, that can't be.
	That can't be.
	It's muddy.
	All right, let's listen again.
	First, about these guys, rather than underestimating them, they're not the JV team anymore.
	Sounds like JV. I don't know.
	I'm on the fence.
	They're the most prominent terrorist organization in the world, but they're not the only one.
	They're in competition with the other jihadist groups, and the gold medal will be awarded to the group.
	Wait a minute.
	Wait a minute.
	It is the Jihadi Olympics all of a sudden.
	Hold on a second.
	The door just opened up.
	The gold medal?
	Yeah.
	You can't get out of these.
	Whoops, 13 minutes.
	It's getting there.
	We're going to crap out in a minute.
	Gold.
	Jihad is gold medal.
	Alright.
	Hold on a second.
	You can't get away from these.
	If you're going to start playing these boneheads, you've got to play them.
	I've got the Mike Rogers clip.
	I have Mike Rogers too.
	Wait, wait.
	Let me finish this.
	Let me finish this thing.
	It's still going on?
	He has another 20 seconds and then the big payoff is coming.
	Okay, I'm listening.
	I'm telling you, you need to listen to my friend Lindsey Gray.
	The gold medal will be awarded to the group that can hit America.
	They're fighting for status with Al-Qaeda, Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, Al-Nusra.
	All of these guys are bidding for future recruits and status, and the gold medal goes to the one that can hit us here at home.
	To those who underestimate this threat, you do so at America's peril.
	That's right.
	If you underestimate them, you do so at America's peril.
	You fools.
	I have a Rogers clip too, but we'll play yours.
	Oh yeah, we have the same one.
	Let me see.
	Yours is 39 seconds.
	Perfect.
	Here it comes.
	Sunday on NBC, the British ambassador to the US, Peter Westmacott, said investigators are close to identifying the British-accented militant in the video.
	He also acknowledged that some 500 Britons have joined the Islamic State.
	The chair of the House Intelligence Committee, Republican Mike Rogers, warned that Westerners in the group pose a mortal threat.
	And one of the problems is it's gone unabated for nearly two years.
	And that draws people from Britain to across Europe, even the United States, to go and join the fight.
	They are one plane ticket away from US shores.
	And that's why we're so concerned about it.
	One plane ticket away!
	All right.
	All right.
	Yes.
	This is terrorism, okay?
	What these people are doing.
	Now, of course, we are pretty sure...
	I think I have a clip for you that you're going to love.
	We are pretty convinced that this is a bogus operation.
	Whoever came up with this, it's pretty good.
	It's great.
	I'm sorry.
	It is great.
	You have all these things.
	I can't believe we're complimenting people on this.
	Yeah, well, you have to give credit where credit is due.
	Our children, maybe our children's children, will learn that this was great.
	This was a huge scam.
	Great.
	And it's so well executed.
	This is like the Kristallnacht.
	All this stuff is, all these great scams.
	And we have these actors, and this is clearly run, it's a CIA, SAS, there's all kinds of intelligence running around.
	And then the PR, It's one big echo chamber cluster F. And then we have NPR. NPR, National Treasurer here in the United States.
	This is the Highbrow Intelligentsia Elite Radio Network.
	And imagine someone calling in to a, and this is from NPR's On Point.
	I'll just play it.
	Mohammed is calling.
	Hi Mohammed, you're on the air.
	Hey, Tom, how you doing?
	I'm okay.
	I just want to sum it up.
	This is like a proxy war.
	Why do you think Saudi Arabia, Qatar, all those United States government intervened before them?
	Because they're created.
	Okay, let me set that.
	It's a little hard to understand.
	You have to get into his cadence.
	Mohammed is calling into NPR. Mohammed.
	And he's saying, this is a proxy war.
	This is bullcrap.
	This is created.
	The Qataris, the Saudis, the CIA, this is bullcrap.
	He is now rolling.
	This is Mohammed.
	And he's rolling out a clear, no agenda analysis.
	Are you still there, John?
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, good.
	We got another 11, 12 minutes.
	Okay, good.
	Damn, cancer.
	I'm a human rights activist.
	I'm from Morocco.
	We have ISIS headquarters right there, three blocks from my house.
	Wait a minute.
	The ISIS headquarters is three blocks from Mohammed's house?
	In Syria.
	In Raqqa, Syria.
	Your house is three blocks from ISIS headquarters.
	So, what have you learned?
	Yes, sir.
	Yes, sir.
	What have you learned?
	Did you bring him some cookies?
	What did you learn?
	I'm going to say, by the way, you tell me your analysis of this call, and I'm going to shut up and play it.
	They're three blocks from my house.
	In Syria, in Raqqa, Syria, your house is three blocks from ISIS headquarters, so what have you learned?
	Yes, sir.
	I told them Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is right there.
	We need to accept him.
	We need to do something because he's absolutely ignored it.
	So for this whole time, they're supporting ISIS. The CIA, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel, they're all behind ISIS. Now you hear what's happening here.
	Someone somewhere is either freaking out or maybe something else is happening.
	But he just implicated Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the Israelis, America.
	They've created ISIS.
	He's saying this is bogus.
	To create a proxy war to get to Iran, destabilize Iran, destabilize Syria, and then now it's come back and bite them in the butt.
	It's like, oh my God, what happened?
	What did we do?
	That's what they did.
	They created a monster.
	So what about now, Mohammed?
	What do you recommend?
	This is your American policy now.
	What do you recommend, Mohammed?
	Recommend we need to take them out.
	We need to attack them in every area.
	I know all the locations where they are.
	James Foley, I told him where he was.
	The whole area should have been taken out.
	But the U.S. government refused to do anything until the end because coming back to the surface, like, oh my God, they're behind something.
	All the funnels, all the equipment and the machinery that ISIS gets through the Turkish border, through the Azeri border, they get all those weapons.
	And they get millions of dollars from Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
	They're the main supporters.
	Now, I believe this guy is speaking the absolute truth.
	Everything is being shuttled right down from Turkey.
	That's the supply route.
	They're getting millions of dollars.
	And we know where the headquarters are.
	We already know it was in Cork or whatever the name of that place is.
	Three doors down from Mohammed.
	Are you kidding me?
	Baghdadi hanging out there.
	They throw in the place and take out all the bosses.
	But no.
	In Omaha, I appreciate your call.
	Mohammed, who's home, house, is three blocks, he says, from ISIS headquarters in Raqqa in Syria.
	Let's just leave that back announce there.
	That was pretty good.
	Hey, man, thanks for calling, man.
	Hey!
	Hey, Mohammed there!
	Mohammed in Omaha, I appreciate your call.
	Mohammed, whose home, house, is three blocks, he says, from ISIS headquarters in Raqqa in Syria, where al-Baghdadi and others were.
	Let me go to Dubai again.
	Ali Qaderi, what about this idea that the CIA and Saudis and others supported ISIS against Iran, against Syria?
	They created this monster.
	Does that sound credible to you, and can we now turn that around?
	Respectfully, I think Mohammed's been watching too many Hollywood movies.
	Ah, yes.
	It's not quite that simple.
	Yes, there you go.
	Legally speaking and operationally speaking.
	There you go.
	Just as crazy.
	I'm surprised they didn't say conspiracy theorist.
	That's all I missed.
	They missed out on that one.
	So this is what you do.
	You just throw it on NPR and then, oh, some kook.
	Honey, I was driving home and I can't believe it.
	There was some kook.
	He's calling from Omaha.
	He's like, oh, I'm the three doors down from Baghdadi.
	It's like, can you believe there's kookiness?
	They're beheading people and these kooks are calling in.
	It must be Republicans.
	The kooks are calling in.
	It must be Republicans.
	I do want to remind everybody that Ben Rhodes, who is the White House's I think he's the deputy national security advisor.
	I want to replay...
	These are the guys that know, right?
	Ben Rhodes, and he's moving up.
	He's the big man on campus, Ben Rhodes is.
	He's moving up.
	People are talking about him.
	He's moving up to a spot in somewhere.
	They analyze his video, which we hear No Agenda did, and which, interestingly enough, pretty much all UK-based news organizations are now saying, well, this video was fake, but they cut his head off after the video.
	This is the brilliant analysis after it was so obvious that even the British Intelligence or the SAS guys or the Blair Witch Project people, whoever made this video, this bogus video where you don't see blood, you don't see anything being cut off, it's so obvious it's fake that now they're just saying, well, yeah, that was a propaganda video, but they did actually cut his head off later.
	And no questioning.
	Can you imagine the meeting for this one?
	No, this is the last time we let British intelligence take care of this crap.
	That's what we're doing.
	This was like, who did you subcontract to for this video, you idiots?
	We had a budget.
	Where did the budget go?
	After an actual beheading, you had one guy standing there, one of our local actors, against a green screen with a Sharpie.
	Exactly.
	So here's Ben Rose.
	The American intelligence...
	This is the guy who reports directly to the president.
	He is a conduit between the intelligence community and the White House about the validity of this video.
	Former CIA Deputy Director Mike Morrell said of James Foley's death, quote, this is ISIS's first terrorist attack against the United States.
	Do you agree with that assessment?
	Is that a terrorist attack against the United States?
	Well, absolutely.
	When we see somebody killed in such a horrific way, that represents a terrorist attack.
	That represents a terrorist attack against our country and against an American citizen.
	And I think all of us have the Foley family in our thoughts and prayers.
	The fact of the matter is that we've actually seen ISIL seek to advance too close to our facilities, certainly for our own comfort.
	And so the President's decision to take military action a number of weeks ago was out of direct concern that if they were able to get into Erbil that they could pose a threat to our personnel and our consulate there.
	So we have seen them pose a threat to our Interest in the region, to our personnel and facilities in the region, and clearly the brutal execution of Jim Foley represented an affront, an attack, not just on him, but he's an American and we see that as an attack on our country when one of our own is killed like that.
	Of course, he's not going to be ashamed of himself, but he should be for just lying, just blatantly lying.
	He's saying that this video is clearly a brutal attack.
	It's a terrorist attack against America.
	He is validating this high school, not even junior high school level media social sciences project.
	It is insulting to media professionals.
	You know, you look at what's being done.
	Like, I watched the Video Music Awards, and I saw the Beyonce, 15 Minutes of Beyonce, which is some of the best performance I've ever seen.
	The combination of singing talent, dancing talent, video talent.
	Get those guys.
	Get anybody but whoever did this.
	And for the White House...
	To stand there and to justify this is true.
	We thought it was funny with the stupid Benghazi video with the Muslim...
	I mean, that wasn't even a movie.
	That was a movie.
	We watched that.
	We played some of the soundtrack.
	Yeah, no, it was ridiculous.
	Flabbergasting.
	Flabbergasting.
	So I was watching the NewsHour, and I don't know if it was the same show that had Rogers on it, but this was a guy, Peter Mansour, who is a professor now at Ohio State University, and he came on the NewsHour and gave us the same litany of bullcrap,
	which makes you wonder that Ohio State, which is always considered a third-rate academic school, proven by listening to this phony, he apparently worked for Petraeus, And his highest achievement was lieutenant colonel, even though he was in the army for 20 or 30 years.
	And then they followed it up by a professor from Harvard, which is, again, a school that is good.
	And the Harvard guy debunks all this.
	And I think, I guarantee this Harvard guy is never going to be on again.
	So let's start with Peter Mansour.
	Army colonel Peter Mansour.
	He was executive officer to General David Petraeus in Iraq.
	During the surge in 2007 and 2008, he's now an Associate Professor of Military History at The Ohio State University.
	And Stephen Walt is Professor of International Relations at Harvard University.
	He's written extensively about security policy issues.
	Peter Mansour, let me start with you.
	How do you define the threat and how urgent is the need to act?
	Well, ISIS is a group that's well-funded, well-armed, and has thousands of fighters under its ranks and more joining it every day.
	It's a threat to the region.
	region.
	It can destabilize the Middle East, from which we get most of our oil in terms of the global economy.
	And it can inject terrorism into Europe and the United States, given that it has hundreds of fighters in its ranks who hold Western passports.
	So this is a group that is...
	He forgot the going for the gold in the Jihadi Olympics.
	He had every single point right except for that one.
	Well, that's, I think, I think it was ad-libbed.
	I don't think that's on the talking points checklist.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, all right.
	Good work!
	Give that man his paycheck.
	Yeah, we'll send, did you give us your W-9?
	Okay, perfect.
	You're good to go.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Now the professor from Harvard.
	Stephen Waltz, how do you respond to that?
	How do you define the threat first?
	I think that there's no question ISIS is a bunch of very bad guys but it's primarily a threat to the people in the areas they control and not a direct threat to the United States.
	It's a predominantly Sunni group which will not be able to expand into non-Sunni areas and the The potential terrorist threat there, I think, has been greatly exaggerated.
	There are lots of groups around the world who would like to be able to go after the United States.
	Most of them fail.
	And, in fact, the way to deal with it is primarily with intelligence and counterterrorism here at home.
	What?
	That's not good!
	I need to say here that in Holland we call it Mirenoko.
	We're ant-fucking away here at these little details.
	It matters not about Foley.
	It matters not.
	This is about a big game, and the big game is to verbalize And all we need now is the approval.
	Something has to happen to tip the scales for some reason.
	And maybe President Obama is a good guy in this case.
	Maybe he's actually trying to slow everything.
	I know, doubtful.
	He's trying to slow everything down.
	But Congress clearly wants the purse strings belong with them.
	I think we could do a real...
	It would be funny if they did a real declaration of war against the Islamic State because, let's face it, they have a state.
	It's not just a crazy jihadi thing anymore.
	Al-Qaeda, just an ideology.
	No, it's a real state.
	Theoretically, they could do something.
	What?
	Declare war against the Islamic State.
	Declare an actual war.
	I think I'm going to put that in the red book for you.
	Islamic State.
	It's a state.
	It's a state?
	Islamic State.
	How hard it would be to wipe them out overnight?
	night.
	I don't think it would be that difficult.
	I want to close this segment with something unless you are if you have something else you want to talk about.
	Well, I just want to drop one last thing in.
	Yeah.
	Would you?
	We had the DOD psycho, that's what I call him.
	And we couldn't get through this whole steamboat institute without bringing in some Iranian threat as part of scare-em tactics.
	And I thought that this was the real eye-roller, as far as I'm concerned, which is the DOD psycho in Iranian hit.
	...of this material.
	It also has time to perfect delivery vehicles.
	In fact, U.S. government publicly has not moved off the fact that they said a few years ago that Iran will have an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of reaching the United States by 2015.
	That's next year.
	They already can put a satellite into space.
	They've been working on this for a while.
	That's more than...
	And our buddy there can do, Elon Musk.
	Probably been helping the North Koreans do that as well, because they followed Iran in that capability.
	And all of you are probably too young to remember, because you probably read it in e-books or something like that.
	Sputnik, 1957.
	And when the Soviets put that little satellite into space, I mean, we were really, really unhappy about that.
	It was a public relations disaster for the West, for the United States, that the Soviets had bested us scientifically and technically.
	But in the bowels of the Pentagon, the Dr.
	Strangelove's there were really concerned because they knew that if you can put a satellite into space of a significant payload or a significant payload into space, into orbit, you could put a warhead anywhere on the Earth's surface.
	Right.
	And then what did we do?
	We made a video, a phony baloney movie about landing on the moon.
	Besides that...
	I'm sorry.
	Why are you going to that direction?
	But my commentary about this is I'm going to ask you this question.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let's say Iran has an ICBM that can strike us from a distance.
	Yes.
	And they send a nuke.
	They shoot a nuke off.
	And oh, the ICBM comes and it blows up.
	I don't know.
	Whatever it hits.
	Probably middle of nowhere Virginia.
	What would that accomplish, do you think?
	Would we be scared and say, oh my God, whatever you guys want?
	We would blow the entire country to smithereens.
	We have thousands and thousands of missiles and bombs.
	Why would you send a single lone missile floating over here?
	We'd probably be able to blow it out of the sky anyway.
	Why would you do that?
	What sense does it make?
	I just want to know what sense it makes.
	Well, you're asking me these questions like I'm some kind of moron citizen who doesn't know that this is ridiculous, so I can't answer it because it makes no sense.
	It makes as much sense as Vladimir Putin deciding to blow an airplane full of Dutch people and AIDS researchers out of the sky.
	What sense does that make?
	None of it makes sense.
	You are being terrorized, people.
	Terrorized.
	We are here, hashtag America, near our hashtag target.
	Soon.
	Hashtag.
	That's actually the clip of the month.
	Well, you told me.
	You said you've got to ISO that, and I listened to you, and that's exactly what I told you.
	Here, hashtag America, near our hashtag target.
	Soon.
	This shows you the idiocy of what's going on around us.
	That particular clip, to me, hashtag America.
	Now, there is something that we missed, but our producers caught on the previous program.
	And this is really, this is just so incredibly good.
	Now, one of the things we did in the previous episode is we looked at this global post that the incredibly...
	Great, just patriotic journalist Jim Foley worked for.
	And it turns out this is a total bullcrap outfit.
	And it is an outgrowth of Of a foundation, which is...
	Actually, it's not a foundation.
	I went back and I found...
	Their website, according to what I could find from archive.org, really didn't change until around the 13th of July...
	Sorry, July 9th, 2014.
	And before that, they had one page up.
	So if you go to archive.org and you go to the Ground Truth Project Foundation, But here is the mission statement on the homepage, and let me give you the URL for it today.
	We're getting close to the 13, 14-minute mark.
	All right.
	Just mention.
	Thegroundtruthproject.org.
	If you take a look at that today, you'll see that's...
	Don't get lost in it, John, because I want to take you there, but let's just take a look at before July 9th.
	Here's what they said on their homepage.
	It was just a homepage with nothing else, and it contacted us here.
	So this really only started a couple months ago.
	Ground Truth is a foundation-supported initiative.
	So that doesn't mean they're a non-profit.
	They are a foundation-supported initiative dedicated to training the next generation of foreign correspondents in the digital age.
	It is focused on the issues of social justice, including human rights, freedom of expression, emerging democracies, the environment, religious affairs, and global health.
	Led by Global Post co-founder and editor-at-large Charles M. Sennett, S-E-N-N-O-T-T. So it's the same people who run Global Post.
	Ground Truth seeks to foster dialogue and engagement about these issues with the aim of finding solutions as well as exposing injustice.
	Ground Truth also seeks to build the capacity for freedom of expression in developing countries around the world by helping to train a new generation of correspondents who can work together across different media platforms and cultural backgrounds.
	Ground Truth is currently developing fellowships, workshops, and seminars led by Gary Knight, co-founder of the V11, the seven photo agency, and director of Tufts University's program for narrative and documentary practice.
	That's a figurehead bullcrap guy.
	This spirit of country-to-country, people-to-people partnership is the core of Ground Truth.
	In other words, this is what they had up there as they were fundraising for the Foundation-supported initiative.
	Now go to thegroundtruthproject.org, John.
	Yeah, I'm on the site now.
	Okay.
	And go to aboutus.com.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And here you see...
	Which one?
	Our team, education partners or media partners?
	If you just click on About Us itself, don't go down to the drop-down, just About Us.
	And here you say, Ground Truth is a registered non-profit headquartered in Boston, Massachusetts.
	They're so new, they have not ever filed a Form 990.
	So we have no information.
	I can't...
	The IRS does not confirm nor deny.
	And now on this About Us, go to funders.
	We did this last time, I believe.
	Funders, which is the About Us drop-down.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Then here we have...
	This is where the money comes from.
	The Galloway Family Foundation, the Ford Foundation, the Bake Family Trust, the...
	Was it the Loose...
	Henry Luce Foundation, Pulitzer Center on Crisis Reporting, and then the Kaiser Family Foundation.
	But now, under About Us, go to media partners.
	This is very interesting.
	I want to mention something here while you're doing that, because I've been looking at this.
	Because at the bottom of the homepage, the Bake Family Trust is the one that's held up as the highest.
	And I don't see any...
	If you go to the internet to find anything out about the Bake Family Trust, it just links back to this truth project.
	There's nothing about these people.
	I have not delved into the branch of looking at all of them.
	I'm just presuming that's where the money comes from.
	You go to media partners.
	Now, this is how this operation works.
	So Ground Truth Project, led by these guys.
	I'm going to talk about these two guys in a moment, who also co-founded Global Post.
	They take this money from these foundations and then they make stories and they post it on Global Post, which is right there at the top.
	PRI, so they make radio packages for Public Radio International.
	WGBH, which is a, it is, WGBH creates so much NPR content.
	They're the number one producer for public broadcasting.
	There is the V11 Photo Agency, PBS Frontline, PBS NewsHour.
	They create video packages for public television.
	Riot News...
	This is a...
	As it says here, the first breaking news site to connect every story with a related action.
	Founded in...
	You've got to click on this.
	Founded in 2012...
	I'm looking at it.
	I don't understand what this even means.
	There's a 13 minute...
	Well, if you go to Riot News...
	Which is R-Y-O-T. I'm looking at it now.
	.org.
	Qatar is building a brand spanking new city for the 2022 World Cup.
	But go to about...
	This looks like a Qatari operation.
	Can you go to Aboot?
	And then look at the team.
	Aboot?
	Our team.
	And they're all like joke photos.
	They're all like hipsters.
	So here's Bryn Muser, the co-founder.
	Oh, of course.
	He is a country director for Artists for Peace and Justice.
	Bryn helped build APJ's secondary school in Port-au-Prince, Haiti.
	Yeah, they all help Haiti so much.
	Assholes.
	David Darg, one of Esquire Magazine's 2012 Americans of the Year.
	He spent the last decade as a first responder and frontline contributor for Reuters, BBC, CNN, covering some of the world's largest natural disasters and wars.
	As vice president of Operation Blessing International, he has traveled over 100 countries.
	Now go down.
	Molly Swenson, she's the COO. She's lived in Cambridge, Buenos Aires, New York, Washington, D.C., before moving to Los Angeles and graduating from Harvard.
	She worked in the fashion industry.
	And Zachary, who was the head of web design, he's hanging out in his yacht.
	And then we have Alexander Govert, who was the editor-in-chief, like a selfie photo.
	And then...
	Web designer hanging out in his yacht.
	And look at the people down below.
	They all got glasses on.
	These are joke photos, John.
	This is not a serious news organization.
	It's joke photos.
	Joke photos.
	Okay, fine.
	So here's the way I think it goes.
	And let's just talk for a moment about these two guys.
	We have the Global Post co-founder.
	And then we talked about it last time.
	This is Charles M. Sonnet.
	S-E-N-N-O-T-T. Founder and executive director of the Ground Truth Project.
	He served as the Boston Globe's Middle East Bureau Chief based in Jerusalem from 1997 to 2001.
	Now, the writer Peter Theo Curtis, nay, isn't his name Nando or something?
	Where do you get his?
	I don't see his thing.
	Where did you find this?
	Oh, no.
	I'm reading now from my notes, from the show notes.
	This is not on this website.
	I'm telling you about the Ground Truth Project Foundation's co-founder, Charles M. Sonnet, one of the two guys behind all of this bullcrap.
	So we had Jim.
	Jim Foley had his head not cut off in a not gruesome video with no blood, and he worked for Global Post.
	Then we have a guy released...
	A journalist, but he's not really a journalist.
	He is Peter Theo Curtis.
	That is his real name, but he has a stage name.
	This guy, this writer who was released.
	And who did he work for?
	Oh, gee!
	He worked for the Ground Truth Foundation.
	How annoying is that?
	That he gets released.
	And this Peter Curtis...
	It sounds like they took him out of rehab.
	Like the guy, he looks like he's a homeless guy.
	They picked up and said, read this.
	First of all, I want to thank you all for coming out here on this beautiful Wednesday morning.
	Yeah, it's great.
	Come on.
	Hey, this beautiful Wednesday morning.
	I was captured by al-Nasra jihadis for two years, and thanks for coming out on this beautiful morning, everybody.
	How you doing?
	Good to see you.
	In the days following my release on Sunday, I have learned bit by bit that there have been literally hundreds of people, brave, determined, and big-hearted people all over the world working for my release.
	They've been working for two years on this.
	I had no idea when I was in prison.
	I had no idea that so much effort was being expended on my behalf.
	Notice he's not saying, they were going to kill me, they were going to cut my head off.
	I was worried.
	It was harrowing.
	It was so scary.
	We knew that my good buddy Jim had just been killed.
	He jumped in the front of the line.
	He said, that's the kind of guy he was.
	Go ahead, kill me!
	They were working on ransom.
	I thought I would never see my family again.
	No.
	And now having found out, I am just overwhelmed with emotion.
	I'm also overwhelmed by one other thing, and that is that total strangers have been coming up to me and saying, hey, we're just glad you're home.
	Welcome home.
	Glad you're back.
	Glad you're safe.
	Great to see you.
	I suddenly remember how good the American people are and what kindness they have in their hearts.
	And to all those people, I say a huge thank you from my heart, from the bottom of my heart.
	From my heart.
	I mean the bottom of my heart.
	I misread it.
	They pulled this guy out of somewhere.
	He's not a journalist.
	He was kind of like a method actor of writers writing books by pretending he was a jihadist, believe it or not.
	And he just happens to be working closely with the Global Truth Foundation.
	Very annoying.
	According to this article, he gave a huge thank you but did not want to answer questions.
	Yeah.
	No.
	Of course.
	He needed to bond with his mother and family.
	I will respond, but I can't do it now.
	He hasn't had the briefing yet.
	He had to get the briefing.
	I know we're cynical people, but I can't look at it any other way.
	We are very cynical people for a reason.
	Well, and I'm going to get to this reason.
	So then we have this, back to this Charles M. Senat, one of the co-founders.
	And by the way, this Peter Theo Curtis, he was not being held captive by ISIS. He was being held captive in northern Syria.
	And somehow he was transported through all of Syria, through multiple warring factions, and handed over at the southern Golan Heights border to Israel.
	Fascinating how that works.
	Anyway...
	Senate was also the Boston Globe's bureau chief based in London from 2001 to 2005.
	Here's some interesting coincidences.
	He left Jerusalem in 2001, 2001 we get 9-11.
	He leaves London in 2005, London bus bombing in 2005.
	Head of the European branch, he follows events around the Madrid bombings in 2004.
	The Global Post announces the launch of Ground Truth Project in Boston 2013.
	We get Boston bombings.
	He's a very lucky guy.
	Wherever he leaves, terror follows.
	That's a very interesting coincidence.
	It's just one of those things.
	It's a coincidence.
	You think it's a coincidence?
	No, I was queuing the sound effect.
	I think not!
	That's the thing I can't do so easily because of the whole crap here.
	Anyway.
	Yes, I get it.
	Now, Ground Truth Project, I believe, is part of the propaganda machine that really has created ISIS. Of course, ISIS does exist.
	But we need to have information and packages being created.
	And I think it's these guys, and they've got a bunch of stringers.
	And it's funny, we have lots of video and pictures of Jim Foley being a journalist.
	I haven't seen a lot of his award-winning work.
	If you go to...
	Go ahead, try and find video report done by Jim Foley.
	There's not a lot of reporting.
	We have pictures of him looking like a reporter.
	Holding a camera with a flak jacket.
	Have you found any of his work, John?
	No, I've never found anything.
	Exactly.
	And then, and this is what people alerted us to, Michael Hayden, principal partner at the Chertoff Group, Talking about what needs to happen with ISIS and how we're running this show in this interview.
	And if you listen carefully, he gives it all away.
	I think the point now is we need to flood the zone using our technical means of imagery, communications intercepts, even human penetrations, as dangerous as that might be, and relying, cooperating with our friends in the region.
	The Jordanians, the Turks, and the Kurds to get ground truth that enables us to conduct targeted operations with the kind of exquisite intelligence that that really requires.
	Now I've thought about this many ways.
	If he had said ground troops, the sentence would have made no sense.
	He means ground truth.
	He means we need to get ground truth to create more packages and propaganda in order for us to go bomb the region.
	Yep, that's what he said.
	That's exactly what he said.
	It's only 26 seconds.
	I'm going to roll it back.
	And he's very clear.
	He says Ground Truth, and we're looking at the groundtruth.org operation.
	And it seems that there's a lot of interconnections here that are coincidences.
	Well, the guy whose head was not cut off worked for Ground Truth through the Global Post operation.
	And the guy who was released who can't talk about anything because he needs to bond with his mother...
	And is just happy to be here on this Wednesday, everybody.
	He also worked for Global Truth Project.
	I think the point now is we need to flood the zone using our technical means of imagery, communications intercepts, even human penetrations, as dangerous as that might be, and relying, cooperating with our friends in the region.
	The Jordanians, the Turks, and the Kurds to get ground truth that enables us to conduct targeted operations with the kind of exquisite intelligence that that really requires.
	We are here, hashtag America, near our hashtag target.
	Soon.
	Is it starting to dawn on you people?
	Keep an eye on this project.
	What was this Newman reference?
	I'm sorry, the Newman reference?
	Yeah, every time we listen to this Hayden, there's more stuff that we keep digging up.
	Did I miss something?
	What did he say?
	Yeah, I mean, some Newman thing that's risky.
	It's actually funny.
	What did he say?
	He says human penetration.
	I said Newman.
	I think the point now is we need to flood the zone.
	First of all, we need to flood the zone.
	Yeah, as a football reference, this is ridiculous.
	But they're flooding the zone.
	They're flooding the zone with PR about the worst ever.
	Al-Qaeda kicked them out.
	There's thousands, hundreds of Americans.
	They're all in Europe.
	They're returning.
	That's flooding the zone.
	They've been flooding.
	Flooding the zone.
	Our technical means of imagery, communications intercepts, even human penetrations.
	Human penetrations.
	I think he's saying human penetrations.
	Are you sure?
	It sounds like Newman.
	Let's roll it back a little bit.
	Could be.
	Imagery, communications intercepts, even human penetrations, as dangerous as that might be, and...
	Wow.
	He's got to mean human.
	You're right, but I don't know why I keep hearing Newman.
	But even human penetration just sounds vile.
	Yeah, it does.
	Human penetrations, which is dangerous, yeah.
	And relying, cooperating with our friends in the region, the Jordanians, the Turks, and the Kurds, to get ground truth that enables us to conduct targeted operations with the kind of exquisite intelligence that that really requires.
	Okay, I can't take it anymore.
	This guy is getting on my nerves.
	The guy is just horrible.
	Well, John, before we hit our next 13-minute mark, maybe now would be the time for me to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak.
	Well, in the morning to you, Adam something in the middle.
	Clark.
	Curry.
	Clark.
	John, Adam C. Curry.
	Yes.
	And also, in the morning to all the boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	And in the morning to our artistes, thank you very much as always for all your fabulous work.
	Fabulous!
	Daniel McDonald did the artwork for episode 646.
	We really appreciate that.
	It was a good piece.
	It was very competitive again.
	Very competitive.
	Very competitive.
	There's a lot of art again.
	Which we like, although it's hard to choose.
	Let me just see.
	What did we have again for 646?
	It was...
	I think it was a piece people really liked.
	I remember that.
	Oh yes, it was the No Agenda Selfie Awards.
	That's right.
	The Noagenda Selfie Awards.
	I want to ask you a question before I begin, thanking the executive producers and associate executive producers, just to give you a...
	Can I first say in the morning to everyone in the chat room who's still, I think they're there, I'm being logged in and out, Noagenda Stream.
	I would hope that you say that.
	Okay.
	Yes?
	Okay, ready?
	Yeah, I'm ready for your question.
	Compare which is larger, Texas or UK, and give me a number.
	I'm not cheating.
	Texas is larger and it is larger six times larger.
	Six?
	It's 2.87 times larger.
	I was off.
	Yeah, I'd say.
	But it's larger.
	Yeah, of course it's larger.
	We eat countries like UK for breakfast here.
	Uh-huh.
	Okay.
	We do.
	I want to thank a few people, including Mr.
	Anonymous from the Australian Capital Territory somewhere, who came in as an instant night with 123456, my absolute favorite donation.
	That's a great one.
	One, two, three, four, five, six.
	Keep my name and address private.
	Love the show.
	Keep up the good work.
	Here's a donation to help you continue on your journey.
	I lost my dad to pancreatic cancer, so I'd appreciate a fuck cancer karma to all the listeners that may have been or are touched by cancer in some way.
	Yes.
	Especially for a close family member.
	Could I ask you to send a...
	Send a fuck the black dog karma to those going through depression.
	People who do care.
	I'd love karma to find a better job for myself.
	Thanks, gents.
	Can I be named Sir Hashtag?
	Yeah, of course.
	I know it's a dumb name, but if available, it will do.
	No, I think that's a great name.
	I don't have an F the black dog thing for him, though.
	I don't know what he's talking about.
	Well, he wants something for depression.
	But the cancer should fit right in there.
	Get out of here!
	You've got karma.
	Thank you very much.
	It's the night.
	Great to have you on board, man.
	Thank you.
	That really feels good, especially when we went through a couple hours of bullcrap setting up and every 13 minutes we're cutting out.
	We're here.
	We're here for y'all.
	We're here for 13 minutes.
	It's funny.
	Kent Van Vliet.
	Kent Van Vliet.
	Van Fleet, but even though he's in Sioux Lookout, Ontario, $333.
	It would be Van Fleet.
	Van Fleet.
	Van Fleet.
	Keep on rockin' the free world, is what he says.
	Very short and sweet.
	Love it.
	Sir James Howard at $292.69 will be the first associate executive producer for this show, 647, as we come upon our seventh anniversary.
	This is the entirety of my wage slave quarterly bonus.
	Thank you very much.
	He gets the $292.69 from his bonus.
	Now that I've accrued a surplus of moral self-licensing, I will spend it on calling out all my brainwashed compatriots, and I won't feel bad at all!
	Sorry, I figured that's what he wanted.
	By the way, moralselflicensing.com would be a great site to repost these dumb memes and make fun of the dopes who take them so seriously.
	Well, it's interesting you say that.
	John, why don't you go to jcd.moralselflicensing.com.
	Okay.
	He says...
	JCD.Moral...
	Self-license.
	I'm sorry.
	MoralSelfLicense.com.
	MoralSelfLicense.
	JCD's Moral Self License.
	It's a nice offset document.
	It's completely over.
	It's a Moral Self License for up to one year and five douchebag events.
	I can use those up in a month.
	I thought, since it was $100 for the stupid bucket challenge, if people give us a $100 donation, you get a customized Moral Self License.
	Have you seen the new bucket challenge where they dump dirt on themselves?
	No, I don't look at that.
	I like it.
	What do you think of my moral self license?
	I think it's fantastic, except that whatever JavaScript or whatever you use to format the page is screwed up because the thing is all over the place.
	It looks fine here.
	Well, let's see.
	Maybe if I shrink the web page with a control minus.
	There's no JavaScript.
	Whatever I do, there's like two certificates and my license is in the middle of all the filigree.
	That's interesting.
	There's no JavaScript.
	Maybe you should use JavaScript.
	It's a static HTML page.
	Well, it's not set up the way it doesn't work on my Windows 7 browser.
	Oh, well, there you go.
	Doesn't work.
	Do you like the idea of...
	I like the idea a lot.
	I would like to see a better font.
	I would prefer a much better font.
	We'll set it up and we'll make it happen.
	I register the domain name, I set it up, I do this, and what do I get?
	It doesn't render properly.
	You know what?
	Your machine sucks.
	Your machine sucks.
	It renders fine.
	It won't render on anybody's machine but yours.
	And it's got the whole thing.
	And then you have the last modified little thing.
	It's over.
	It's offset.
	It's like centered between the two certificates.
	I'll send you a screen capture of it.
	Maybe it works on Chrome or Safari.
	I'm on Firefox.
	You see?
	See what happens?
	Yeah, that's why I was rushing to get back to the reads.
	Okay, we've got 15 minutes now.
	Anyway, I think it should be a new donation level of $100, and you get a certificate with better fonts and better JavaScript.
	Right, and you get five douchebag events.
	You can be a douchebag for five times a year.
	Yeah, you get to do something horrible in the future.
	Yeah.
	Do they have to report in?
	I would say so.
	Okay.
	Chris Herzog, 234.99 in Elwood, Illinois.
	Now, the shows in deconstruction have been top notch.
	You guys have been on a huge streak since the Hobby Lobby analysis, which was outstanding, and the pipeline's breakthrough.
	Thanks for crediting my account towards knighthood to my son, Alex, last show, Sir Azog, son of Sir Zog of Elwood.
	He got a huge kick out of it.
	He started in sixth grade, and I'm trying to figure out when he can start working show memes into his schoolwork.
	Yeah.
	Right away, my friend.
	Right away.
	Get him on it now.
	You guys are right on and first out of the gate on the Foley beheading hoax.
	Now it's everywhere.
	The sad thing is that it made its point and no one will care anymore.
	I don't care if those guys didn't behead him, quote, unquote.
	They're still terrorist assholes.
	Bomb them!
	There you go.
	Finally, we're going to be able to split Iraq up like it was supposed to be years ago.
	Can I get three quick clips?
	A karma for yourselves and everyone listening, a Reverend Manning whoop-um, and a bingo-boom-shakalaka combo.
	If it's not too much trouble, thanks, and keep on with the greatest podcast in the universe.
	Okay, so he just wants a regular karma, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay, because he's calling that a clip?
	That's not really a clip.
	No.
	Okay.
	Bingo, boom, shakalaka.
	Yeah, I got it all for you.
	It's a little tougher today because of the way everything's rolling, so I'm sorry.
	sorry i'm really trying to do my best here for everybody you've got karma - You have to imagine the way I'm doing that.
	I'm like hitting command tab.
	I'm using the mouse.
	I'm hitting the MIDI controller.
	You haven't had the guy ask for the 10 clips.
	This was bad enough.
	Okay, here we go.
	This is Kevin Lacombe in Gig Harbor, Washington, and I have a note.
	Okay.
	And by the way, I believe...
	Uh, yes.
	There's a make good involved in this note.
	The newsletter worked.
	The damn puppy got me.
	I felt directed to send a check with your request for direct contributions.
	That and I keep reading in the news that I'm supposed to donate cash and donate money.
	See, he actually has some clip that he sent in that was very funny.
	This cash gets me closer to knighthood.
	The last time I donated, I requested a birthday call to my wife, but Adam called her a man!
	Oh, wow.
	Not good.
	No, I'm sorry.
	What did I do?
	You called Adele a man.
	I don't know.
	I doubt.
	I called Adele a man?
	Apparently, you saw some other name.
	I don't remember this.
	I'm sorry.
	She, meanwhile, gypped me with the Amsterdam Starbucks cups, and I don't want any more problems.
	Please help me out with this, Adam.
	Okay.
	Can I get a just send cash clip karma?
	Yeah, is that it?
	That's Kevin Lacombe in Gig Harbor, Washington.
	That's really going to help?
	Okay, I'm happy to do that.
	We just need cash.
	I know a lot of people want to send blankets or water.
	Just send your cash.
	All right.
	You've got karma.
	Wow, it seems like so long ago, doesn't it?
	When we had the three presidents sitting there with that bullcrap for Haiti and the people still have cholera.
	I'm dying, but there's nice hotels, and we have a nice...
	It's very funny.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It worked out.
	Bashkar Dandona in Birmingham, West Midlands, UK, $200.
	I know.
	No, no, no.
	You've skipped over the BJ Consulting Group.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I did a skip over.
	You're right.
	BJ Consulting Group in Osaka, Japan.
	$201.
	This is why there's two of us that do this show.
	Hi from Bill and JV from the BJ Consulting Group in Osaka.
	First of all, we want to thank Dame Astrid of Tokyo for the octopus balls shout out.
	Yeah.
	Actually, when we were not eating octopus balls...
	We made Dvorak's award-winning chili.
	We made it a while ago for a barbecue, and it was a huge hit.
	The best one we've ever cooked.
	Some photos attached in a separate email for John and Adam.
	We closely followed the recipe that John posted on his website.
	We located a great shoulder-cut meat, and were able to find most of the beans here in Japan.
	A little improvisation also needed, as Grandma's brand chili powder is no longer made.
	Actually, it's made by a new operation.
	Well, tell everybody who, so they can get it.
	I don't have it.
	I don't know.
	We don't sell spice anymore.
	All I know is we have this.
	Okay.
	Bitch to find it.
	However, it was the homegrown jalapenos we added that really made up for it.
	We hereby challenged Dame Astrid to cook Dvorak's chili in Tokyo.
	Henceforth, the Vorak chili challenge.
	We also request karma for her JV needs some new human resource karma, and Bill needs some general neck beard karma, along with the bingo boom shakalaka plus don't laugh.
	Oh, he wants a don't laugh.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	Alright, well hold on a second.
	I'll get the bingo.
	We're waiting patiently.
	There's no hurry.
	I can play a little harp.
	You ready?
	Yeah, no, it's just, it's not like it's really easy, what's going on.
	I know, but you did a great job the last time.
	I'm sure you'll nail it again.
	So did you request karma?
	New human resource karma?
	I'm not quite sure.
	I don't have any.
	I could do an LGY to add to that.
	That might help, just to make it a little more complete.
	Okay, here we go.
	I've got your list right here.
	I've got everything all going on.
	Here we go.
	One, two, three, four, five.
	Yay!
	Don't laugh.
	Why are you laughing?
	Shut up.
	Bingo, boom, shakalaka.
	Shut up.
	She's got karma.
	I have to say, that's one of my favorites.
	I think that's one of the classic classics.
	It is right up there with many of them, yes, indeed.
	Now...
	Pahaskar Dandona in Birmingham, UK. $200.
	And he says, Sumita Banerjee.
	Sumita Banerjee, can you hear me?
	Wait a minute.
	I'm supposed to read this.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay, that's right.
	This is the one that...
	Now, I want to say something here.
	What Adam's going to read here is very different than anything we've ever done on this show, and it might invite a lot of copycasters, may actually indicate a new thing that can happen on the No Agenda show.
	My concern with it is that I was told that I can't read this because I don't know why, because I wouldn't be able to do it right.
	All I got is, it says in my notes here from the back office, which is, you know, Eric, line 8, hello, line 8, is for Adam to read, not you, Dvorak!
	It says in all caps.
	Yes, I saw that.
	Okay.
	Per Bhaskar's request.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let me give it a shot here.
	Sumita Banerjee.
	And he didn't give any phonetics or anything.
	Sumita Banerjee.
	Can you hear me?
	You can do that part.
	With your...
	Can you hear me?
	This is a message from Bhaskar Deridona.
	Please listen carefully.
	My dearest Sumita, and I hope that's how we pronounce your name, or it would be rather silly when you play this later for the children.
	If all goes to plan, it's late Friday, the 27th of August, 2014.
	That would be the 29th of August.
	I've just driven from Birmingham to London and back again so we could have another lovely weekend in my home.
	Right now we're sitting on the bed and you're probably wondering what's going on.
	There's something important I have to ask you, and doing it this way brings together two things I love.
	The first of those is No Agenda.
	Not just Adam and John, but the whole extended No Agenda family of producers and listeners.
	That's a lot of people.
	Right now, people from every corner on the planet are listening to these words, and that's really important because I want the whole world to know how much I love you.
	Right now, I'm reaching under the bed to grab a little black box, and now I'm holding it in front of you, inside the box.
	It's something that sparkles.
	You once said I had a sparkle in my eyes and I told you the sparkle is you.
	In front of all these witnesses from Birmingham to Beijing, from Boston to Bombay, Samita Banerjee, will you do me the honor of becoming my wife?
	Wow.
	Please, can you guys share a double shot of no agenda karma for a joyous wedding and a long and happy life together?
	I'm pretty sure she's going to say yes.
	Yes.
	Of course.
	You've got karma.
	Well.
	Well, that's different.
	Yeah.
	That's pretty cool.
	Yeah, I guess.
	Yeah, I think so.
	That's a pretty cool thing to do.
	I want to know if she said yes, is what I want to know.
	Well, we'll find out shortly.
	Well, eventually.
	I think it'd be funny if, well, yeah.
	If we get a donation that says...
	Potential funny stuff.
	Yeah.
	No.
	And here's a $200 donation from Samita that says, no.
	Crazy.
	Crazy.
	Not going to do that.
	I don't want to remind people, we do have a show on Sunday coming up to go to Dvorak.org slash Anna.
	And if you want to do proposals on the show, Adam will read them.
	And even though he did kind of chuckle there at some point in the middle of it, that was inappropriate.
	No, it was the harmonica.
	Are you kidding me?
	I'm trying to be really serious.
	It's like...
	If I had thought about the harmonica earlier, I would have used a different key.
	Well, sorry, but it came from the heart.
	It came from the heart, and so I liked that.
	I thought that was nice.
	Anyway, so we'll do that, and since we've done it, we'll have to do it now.
	Because one person wanted it, we have to do it for everybody.
	It'll never stop.
	You know how that goes.
	I want to remind people that we do a show on Sunday, and we...
	We did have some good donations today, but it usually goes up and down and up and down.
	So Dvorak.org slash NA. We'd appreciate any help we can get for the Sunday show, which will also be done here on the Transatlantic Cable.
	Yeah, and hopefully I'll get the jingle machine fixed and everything, and I apologize.
	I really thought it was just going to work.
	Although, I think it's on my end.
	It's got to be the 13-minute thing.
	The 13-minute thing is definitely on your end, but I still think that if I had the good high-speed modem working, it might make a difference that way it's done in the past with the peering, at least for the quality of my sound.
	Are you on the Comcast now?
	No, you're sounding good, by the way.
	I'm not on the Comcast.
	Oh, well, it's not been half bad.
	Good.
	Yeah.
	Dvorak.org slash NA. Hey, besides that, we also need you to go out and do something very important.
	Continuously be propagating our formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Water!
	Water!
	Shut up, slay!
	Shut up, slave!
	Fear is freedom!
	Subjugation is liberation!
	Contradiction is truth!
	Those are the facts of this world!
	And you will all surrender to them!
	You pigs in human clothing!
	Yeah!
	Yeah!
	Gotcha!
	Gotcha!
	That sounds very...
	Someone sent me something that I wanted to play for you.
	Let me see if I can find this.
	Where was it?
	Yes, here we go.
	This is from Charlie Kaufman.
	Are you familiar with Charlie Kaufman?
	The name rings a bell.
	He is a screenwriter.
	And he...
	One of his famous screenplays is Being John Malkovich.
	Okay.
	And in 2011, at the British Academy of Film and Television Arts, is that what it is, BAFTA? BAFTA. BAFTA. At 2011 BAFTA, he did a speech, not during the television show, but, you know, the BAFTA, they have, like, all kinds of seminars and things you can attend.
	Sure.
	And this is a speech which I felt so nicely encapsulated what no agenda is about.
	We could have written this for him.
	And I wanted to play it because a lot of people...
	I think need something, and that's why you'll have these clips separate in the show notes at 647.nashownotes.com.
	People need something to play for their friends to say, this is really what this show is about.
	This is really why you need to listen to this program and why it is not just a necessity.
	It is going to make you, keep you healthy, make you healthier, and it is needed more now than ever at any time in modern history.
	Here's a quote that I found, a recent quote that I found.
	We do not talk.
	We bludgeon one another with facts and theories gleaned from cursory readings of newspapers, magazines, and digests.
	That was actually written in 1945 by Henry Miller.
	And, I mean, I think it's timely.
	And I think what it says is that the world has been on the present course it's on for a long time.
	People all over the world spend countless hours of their lives every week being fed entertainment in the forms of movies, TV shows, newspapers, YouTube videos, the internet.
	And it's ludicrous to believe that this stuff doesn't alter our brains.
	And it's also equally ludicrous to believe that, at the very least, this mass distraction and manipulation is not convenient for the people who are in charge.
	People are starving.
	They may not know it because they're being fed mass-produced garbage.
	The packaging is colorful and it's loud, but it's being produced in the same factories that make Pop-Tarts and iPads.
	By people sitting around thinking, what can we do to get people to buy more of these?
	And they're very good at their jobs.
	But that's what it is you're getting.
	Because that's what they're making.
	They're selling you something.
	And the world is built on this now.
	Politics and government are built on this.
	Corporations are built on this.
	Interpersonal relationships are built on this.
	And we're starving.
	All of us.
	and we're killing each other and we're hating each other and we're calling each other liars and evil because it's all become marketing and we want to win because we're lonely and empty and scared and we're led to believe winning will change all that but there is no winning i like that I thought it was really nice.
	And then he brings it home with this.
	This will be your favorite.
	It's just a short little bit and then I'll end it.
	Our culture is marketing.
	This is what we do.
	And what is marketing?
	Trying to get people to do what you want them to.
	It's what drives our consumer culture.
	It's what drives our politics.
	It's what drives our art.
	Music, movies, books, fine arts.
	It's part of every research grant proposal.
	I don't want to participate.
	I don't want to tell you how to sell a screenplay or tell you how to write a hit or tell you how to fit into the existing system.
	I want to tell you that I have a hope that there's another way to be in this world, and that I believe with courage and vulnerability and honesty that the stuff we put into the world can serve a better purpose.
	The way movies work now, and I'm talking about mainstream industry, the only goal is to get you to buy a product.
	The only goal.
	The only goal.
	And this intention creates the movies that we sit through.
	It's not going to go on, is he?
	You don't like it?
	No, I like it.
	What he's saying is absolutely true, but it's like one of these deniers.
	He's a denialist.
	This is the way it is, folks.
	Well, no, he says he has hope.
	He has hope, but he doesn't realize that we are that hope.
	We are that glimmering light in the horizons.
	It's as far as you go.
	It's as far as you can get.
	It's about no agenda show.
	It's as close as you can get to having hope to actually become reality.
	It just becomes hope while you're driving on your commute.
	And it helps people get through the day, I believe.
	It's not changing anything.
	If you wake up with the blues, trying to fill your day with news, there's one thing you must remember, no agenda in the morning.
	For a healthy, balanced news diet, try NoAgendaShow.com.
	A little bit of local color for you, John.
	A little bit of stuff that's going on here in Gitmo Nation Lowlands, where I've been hanging out.
	Well, I'm going to change to make it do something else before you do that.
	Okay, fine.
	Because he was talking about things being about selling, selling, selling.
	Marketing, yes.
	We have to recognize when we spot a native...
	It's not really native advertising.
	Maybe it is.
	I don't know.
	I have a clip that we have.
	This is about not buying something.
	And I believe in the olden days, and I think this is still true, and as a person kind of in the media...
	It used to be where the advertisers didn't push around the publications.
	The publications would push around the advertisers, and that was the idea, either advertise or die.
	We're going to write bad things about you.
	It was all corrupt, I mean, on both sides, but the kind of corruption at least was on the one side as opposed to the other.
	Have you witnessed this personally, where the media said...
	A lot of stories where this used to happen, anecdotally.
	More recently, it's not happened.
	It used to happen a little bit with Ziff Davis when Bill Ziff was alive, but then it went the other way and the advertisers pushed the publishers around now.
	But there is an instance that showed up on television that, you tell me if this isn't, tell me this isn't a hit piece.
	It's a very short little piece.
	It's the Kia thing.
	It's a very short little piece, and it is the most outrageous hit piece I've ever heard.
	In Benicia, three people were killed in a crash along 680.
	CHP says that they were in a Kia that collided with another car at the Lake Herman off-ramp.
	That Kia then slammed head-on into a canal.
	Two people in the front seat, one in the back, died, even though the airbags went off and they were all wearing seatbelts.
	Were they hamsters?
	and Now, tell me that that is not the most outrageous thing you've ever heard as a news report.
	They never named the name of the other car.
	It's just Kia, Kia, Kia, die.
	Isn't that the hamster car?
	The Kia hamster car?
	Yeah, isn't that the car where the hamsters get out?
	No, it's like little Korean parts.
	Yeah.
	I think that's the hamster car.
	Yeah, I've seen a hamster ad with Kias.
	We've talked about it.
	We've talked about hamsters.
	Let me see.
	Kia.
	Yeah, I think so.
	Hamster.
	I think it's the hamster car.
	Let me see.
	Kia Hamster.
	Checking that.
	Yes!
	The Soul, the Kia Soul, the hamster car.
	Oh, the Kia Soul, which, you know, Mimi wanted to go, oh, I like the Soul, it's so cute.
	And so I rented one once.
	And any of the ideas that she had of getting a Kia Soul were done.
	That thing was...
	Yeah, this is exactly...
	Yeah.
	This is exactly what we discussed on the show.
	It was a bucket of bolts.
	Oh, okay, well, anyway, that's where the Kia guys had better get their act together or else...
	Yeah, they better start more, bring those hamsters, get some more advertising going, people.
	Get some advertising going, boys.
	You're going to be slammed.
	Yeah, you're not doing very well.
	Deathmobile will be the next moniker.
	Wow.
	Well, since we've talked about a member of your family, may I bring up something from another member of your family, if you don't mind, if it's okay.
	This is about Buzzkill Jr., whose wife, Jessica, Yes.
	She just changed her profile picture on Facebook.
	Looks very good.
	Yeah, okay, so?
	She's cute.
	But that's not what this is about.
	This is about his experience where the president was in town, and everyone's cell phone in the office, the battery drained very, very quickly, and we have deduced this from our producers...
	This is the use of the Stingray machine, where it spoofs as a cell phone tower, and then your phone connects to it, if you have one.
	John and I don't really have phones, and I don't carry a phone.
	I certainly have a smartphone.
	And they suck everything out.
	They suck out your address book, and all your texts, and call information.
	I think anything they can get.
	The controversial surveillance system used by the police department to track people's cell phone activity will continue as is.
	It is called Stingray.
	This small device tricks cell phones into connecting to it, thinking it is a cell phone tower.
	The Tacoma News Tribune reports Stingray has been in use by the Tacoma Police Department since 2008.
	It can track calls, text messages, and other cell phone information from people up to half a mile away.
	Cairo 7 asked the mayor to weigh in on the What critics are calling an invasion of privacy.
	People who commit crime use technology to do what they're going to do.
	People who want to put our communities in danger use technology so it makes sense to have law enforcement to have access to the same types of tools to counter the type of technology that people who want to harm us are using.
	Hold on a second.
	I don't have that kind of technology to commit crime.
	I don't have that technology.
	And this is the mayor.
	It makes sense.
	Just shut up.
	Why do you question this citizen?
	This bothers you, citizen, that we are snooping on your phone?
	What is your problem?
	But you know what this is about, don't you?
	You know what they use this for.
	It's to have law enforcement, to have access to the same types of tools to counter the type of technology that people who want to harm us are using.
	Well, the ACLU told the Tribune that while the police department sold the idea to the city as technology that could potentially find someone wanting to set off a bomb, its main purpose has been to get drug dealers.
	Five O'Clock anchor Monique Minglovin will explain exactly how the stingray works and whether this type of surveillance is allowed under the Patriotic Act.
	I love that.
	I lift that in because I thought it was so funny that someone calls it the Patriotic Act.
	Of course, it's the Patriot Act.
	The Patriotic Act.
	She calls it the Patriotic Act.
	Very good.
	And this is about the point in the six-month cycle where I remind everybody, and for your convenience, I've put a copy in the show notes of a document that Which was written by a Harvard...
	I think the guy went to Harvard when he was 16, and he graduated summa cum laude, record time, he was teaching at Harvard, and he was very, very worried about technology eventually enslaving people, enslaving us.
	Oh, no!
	Yes!
	And here in the Netherlands...
	There's a crisis of bicycles.
	There's so many bicycles now in the Netherlands.
	Maybe it's just because I haven't been here in a while that I see it now.
	But people are riding on their bikes.
	And the Dutch are very good at riding bikes.
	They're so good.
	You know, there's rarely an accident.
	I don't wear helmets and knee pads.
	And, you know, they got a kid in the front, a kid on the back.
	They got the groceries on the handlebars.
	And while they're biking, they're holding up their smartphone in front of their face, Googling or texting.
	It is unbelievable.
	Selfies while biking?
	Not necessarily selfies, but they're interacting with their smartphone while they're bicycling.
	And they have headphones in, connected to the smartphone.
	And this is not a rare occurrence.
	You see this everywhere in the city.
	So I recommend you go read this document.
	The document is called Industrial Society and Its Future.
	And it's in the NA Tech subfolder there, written by a guy named Theodore, some call him Ted Kaczynski, also known as the Unabomber.
	So you may want to read this manifesto, because what is happening today, the piece you just heard, the enslavement through these devices, is precisely what he warned for.
	I'm not endorsing...
	I get it.
	That was a good one.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	I got you with the Harvard stuff, didn't I? Yeah, you were leading me astray.
	You were using a kind of misdirection.
	Trickery.
	He was.
	He taught at Harvard.
	He went in when he was 15.
	Graduated.
	The guy was a super genius.
	Okay, we got a new TV show coming up.
	Just after...
	Okay, yeah.
	Okay, great.
	What's new TV show?
	Hey, we're going to help you get out of this crap hole, but we're going to promote a new TV show.
	Tell me what idiot would watch this.
	This is Utopia, the new TV show coming up on Fox.
	Oh, this is...
	I've seen this here.
	It's already on television here.
	This is a John DeMalle program done by his production company, Tulpa.
	And he's the guy who created Big Brother.
	Meet the 15 utopians confident that they can live together.
	I'm a backwoods hibbit.
	I'm a peppy prepper.
	I'm a pastor.
	And start a society from scratch.
	I can shoot anything from white-tailed deer to bears.
	I'm an animal activist.
	I teach them how to compost their own poo.
	We say good luck.
	I am polyamorous.
	I would not be comfortable with such relationships, especially in close quarters.
	Am I an exhibitionist?
	Yes, I'll pull down my pants right now.
	No, this would be great.
	Utopia begins two weeks from tonight on Fox.
	Yeah, he also created...
	He also created...
	How to compost their own poop.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, the idea is it's Big Brother in a world where you have to, you know, prepper.
	It's Big Brother meets preppers, I presume.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Crap.
	I saw someone, the Dutch, I saw like five minutes of one of the last episodes.
	It was horrible.
	It's fake.
	It's fake.
	It's so fake.
	Oh, yes, yeah.
	I think these things are scripted nonsense.
	It's incredibly fake.
	Well, okay, since you bring that up, there's a new band.
	They have kind of an old sound, a new band, and they're doing big concerts.
	They're coming over from, they're doing a big tour.
	Big, big, big tour for these guys.
	Ladies and gentlemen, we have a really good shoe for you tonight.
	And all the way from the Middle East, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran.
	It's the Wesley Clark Seven.
	Wesley Clark Seven's coming to you.
	Ugh.
	That was very hard to hear that clip.
	Believe me, it sounded better.
	Something about ISIS. Well, he had all the countries where ISIS. Well, you're over there now.
	You're over there now.
	I want you to play the Scottish referendum clip and tell me what's going on.
	Yes, I do have a little bit of info on this.
	Thank you for asking.
	The final televised debate between the yes and the no camps in the Scottish independence campaign has turned heated.
	The destiny of the country's future will be decided in mid-September.
	Artist Marina Koshova was watching how the leaders fared.
	It was a very loud and a very fiery debate in which both men gave at their eyes We're good to go.
	Of Scotland's economy and the future of the pound.
	And this time he came prepared to give his currency options, offering three Plan Bs.
	In fact, something which he kept repeating, but saying that sticking to the pound would be best.
	They cannot stop us using the pound, the most important revelation of this debate.
	Now, the head of the Better Together campaign, Alistair Darling, hit back, saying that that would leave Scotland at the mercy of a foreign country, telling it how to spend its money just like Eurozone countries, which have to get their budget signed off in Brussels.
	If you're using somebody else's currency, you don't have a central bank, so our financial services can't exist in Scotland.
	Now, other topics the two clashed on were oil revenues, the future of nuclear weapons, as well as health care.
	The hour-and-a-half debate ended up being a little bit of a slanging match as the pair repeatedly shouted over each other to be heard.
	It was very clear that the Scottish National Party leader was adopting a more emotional but more confident approach.
	Some said that the fact that he was shouting over his opponent could put off some voters, but as we can see with the results of the snap election, it seemed to have worked in his favor.
	Yeah, September 18th is the referendum, I think it's the 18th, when Scotland decides if it will break away from the United Kingdom.
	And this would be a problem for many reasons.
	I don't think it's going to happen.
	I think it is going to happen.
	Really?
	Unless it's rigged.
	This is why I don't think it's going to happen.
	Well, you may have a point, but I think it's going to happen, and I think it's going to be...
	Well, let's take the typical EU pathway, which is they'll vote to become independent, and then they'll have a do-over.
	That's how Ireland went with the Lisbon Treaty.
	Well, that's a good prediction.
	Right?
	They can have a do-over just like, well, two out of three?
	It'd be something like that.
	Maybe.
	The point that was made in the debates was that apparently...
	Did you watch them?
	Did you watch the debate?
	I saw a little bit, but did you see the debate?
	I saw a little bit too, but I know what the point was that they made.
	It's about the oil and the National Health Service.
	That's kind of what I got it from.
	No, the kicker was, which they didn't get before, is that they don't have to create a central bank and they can keep using the pound as their currency.
	argument was whether you won't have a central bank, you won't have financial services.
	Right, right.
	Well, you don't have one now.
	Right.
	Essentially, you have to.
	So what difference does it make?
	Right.
	I think that I never thought about it, but it's almost like an ideal for the libertarian mentality is there's no central banks.
	So what?
	You have an agreed-upon currency that you use for transactions, and that would be the British pound, or you could even switch to the euro if you wanted to.
	Hmm.
	If they wanted to.
	They might.
	All the central bankers, they had their annual Jackson Hole meeting in Wyoming, and I was reading some of the transcripts and some of the reports, as I do.
	And Mario Draghi and Janet Yellen, and I think a lot of people who analyzed the reports agreed, they kind of sounded the same, like...
	I'm saying like a lot.
	You need to catch me on that.
	They're kind of saying the same thing, you know, similar.
	I'm sorry.
	Stop, stop, stop.
	How are you using the word wrong?
	I'm just saying like.
	Are you just saying like for no good reason?
	Yeah.
	That's not good.
	Okay.
	I'm catching myself, though, so I'm on the road to healing.
	And they were saying similar things about their economies, and, of course, Draghi about Europe and Yellen about the U.S.
	But I don't know if I have this clip.
	Maybe that was a clip from, it was kind of funny, or maybe it was an article.
	Let me just check.
	It was something to the effect of that the unemployment in the United States is flexible, i.e.
	it changes as the economy changes, but that the...
	But that the unemployment in Europe is structural.
	Wow, that's nice.
	And that it's just going to get worse and worse.
	See, in America we have immigration, we're trying to fix that, and we have younger people coming in, and stuff's going to happen.
	Europe is dying.
	It's just going to be part of the caliph.
	It's going to be part of the Islamic State, eventually.
	The caliphate, not the caliph.
	I'm sorry.
	It'll be run by the caliph, but it'll be part of the caliphate.
	Everyone's dying off.
	They're not making enough kids.
	And economically...
	Yeah, Italy's already apparently one foot in the grave.
	Yeah, but it's deflation.
	This is very scary.
	This is very bad.
	This deflation stuff is not good.
	Well, I don't know what they're going to do about it.
	The old solution is simple.
	Yeah?
	Let Germany attack France.
	It usually works.
	Can we do it via Austria?
	I'm laughing.
	I think that warrants an explanation.
	Why is that a solution to the deflationary spiral that Europe is in?
	Why would it work?
	Well, because you'd have to Super weaponize both countries, which means you've got to spend a lot of money like we're doing on useless things that we just blow up.
	So in other words, you create manufacturing jobs immediately, so everybody gets full employment because they're at war.
	And then they make sacrifices, so they get a job, but they can't do anything with the money because they have to make sacrifices because they're in a war.
	And then they blow up the stuff that they make, so there's no real...
	Wealth being created because you're in a war, and that solves the economic issues.
	Excellent.
	Well, there's an added problem here.
	By the way, let me get one before you go.
	I added, which is that war situations usually create so much tension that you end up with a lot of babies.
	Ah, which would be good.
	Which would be good.
	So the whole thing is a win-win-win.
	But right now, with the Ukrainian crisis...
	Oh, also that here?
	It's all in.
	Putin.
	Putin did it.
	Putin's the a-hole.
	Putin is responsible for anything.
	Putin, Putin, Putin, Putin, Putin.
	Putin!
	Except...
	Yes?
	Doesn't that really say to you that we are extremely good at this?
	At this show?
	Yes.
	No, well, yeah, that goes without saying.
	Oh, you mean the U.S.? Oh, yes.
	Oh, yes.
	I thought the propaganda machines are just dynamite.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, no, we're fantastic.
	Absolutely.
	And from our perspective, doing this show, and I think most of our listeners would agree, from our perspective, they suck at this.
	Yeah, we have to think about how much better it could be.
	That's the kicker.
	That's the kicker right there.
	There was a...
	I'm looking for it here.
	There was an official letter sent from a Dutch professor to President Putin.
	Putin.
	And I'm looking for it now.
	Let me see, I didn't have enough time entirely to put everything together properly today, so that's why I'm struggling just a little bit.
	Well, while I'm scrolling around looking for that, what Russia has now done is they've turned around and they have started banning products from Europe, most notably farming products.
	And in Finland, they have something now calling it Putin's butter, So you can no longer export butter into Russia and people are just stocking up on it because the butter is like two cents.
	Butter is so cheap.
	Cheese, all these products.
	And things are, here in the Netherlands, they can't send their products anymore.
	Of course, flowers, and we laugh about it.
	But this is a catastrophe of epic proportions.
	I've got the letter.
	Prominent Dutch professor to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
	The letter was written by Professor Case Hamelink, signed by dozens of Dutch intellectuals and professors.
	And this is...
	Is this an AP report?
	I thought it looked pretty official, so I didn't want to just write it off as bogative.
	Dear Mr.
	President Putin, please accept our apologies on behalf of a great many people here in the Netherlands for our government and our media.
	The facts concerning MH17 are twisted to defame you and your country.
	We are powerless onlookers as we witness how the Western nations led by the United States accuse Russia of crimes they commit themselves more than anybody else.
	We reject the double standards that are used for Russia and the West.
	In our societies, sufficient evidence is required for a conviction.
	The way you and your nation are convicted for crimes without evidence is ruthless and despicable.
	It's pretty interesting coming from the elites of the Netherlands.
	You have saved us from the conflict in Syria, and that could have escalated into a world war.
	True.
	He came up with the whole idea of the chemical weapons.
	That was Putin's idea.
	The mass killing of innocent Syrian civilians through gassing by al-Qaeda terrorists trained and armed by the U.S. and paid for by Saudi Arabia was blamed on Assad.
	In doing so, the West hoped public opinion would turn against Assad paving the way for an attack on Syria.
	When I read it this far, I'm like, this doesn't sound...
	I'm like, fuck.
	You know, I'm not catching it.
	Yeah, I am, and it's bad.
	This doesn't sound like an open letter anymore.
	I'm trying to reconstruct...
	I'm sorry?
	No.
	Yeah, it doesn't sound like a letter to you either, does it?
	No.
	No, exactly.
	It sounds like a public relations written piece.
	It is a real professor, so...
	Doesn't sound right.
	I agree.
	It doesn't sound right.
	So we'll have to keep our eye on what's going on with that.
	But the economic disaster...
	I'm sorry.
	We know that Putin doesn't have the wherewithal or can hire the right skill sets.
	Or maybe he has already hired WPP. I mean, that's what they should do.
	The Russians should hire one of the big boys to tell their side of the story instead of trying to put themselves.
	Well, they would want Hill and Knowlton because they're kind of the crisis guys.
	Yeah, but with the organization, I think they're in the WPP, too.
	They're all in their blanket organizations.
	I don't know how they divide it up anymore.
	It's a conflict of interest.
	It's scammish.
	These giant firms.
	We seriously, you and I, would be so much better at doing this.
	Because we see through everything so well, and we know how...
	And yet, in our system, you might not even have to kill people.
	I think you and I can come up with things that are so good and that works, that are so effective, but you don't have to kill innocent people.
	Maybe one or two once in a while.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, that's just collateral damage.
	Just, you know, yeah.
	Here's just a quick little callback to the Ferguson affair.
	And I do have a Ferguson...
	Let's play it.
	What you got?
	What you got for Ferguson?
	Hold on.
	No, I have the MacArthur stuff I want to talk about after Ferguson.
	I'll hit Ferguson real quick with just a short clip.
	Ferguson, as we deconstructed, I would say John deconstructed, is about...
	And remember that there is so much crime.
	So many people were being killed.
	Black boys, white boys, you name it.
	This one, in conjunction with the Rev, we got Al, we got Jackson, we got Eric Holder, we got everybody on it.
	We got the president stopping his golf game to do a little speech about it.
	Cynically enough, it's only to get people to vote Democrat.
	Here is Chris Matthews from the...
	The Democrat Party sponsored MSNBC, and he's laying it out.
	But while the streets of Ferguson may have quieted, anger over Brown's death lingers among a community that believes itself the victim of injustice, and that might have political implications this coming November.
	That's just ten weeks from now.
	According to a Pew Research poll last week, public reaction to the Brown case varies widely by party ID. Now, this is an angle you and I hadn't caught yet.
	So the way they're doing this is they're bringing in Pew, and if you ask anyone, and Pew has done a great job of positioning themselves by doing a lot of tech-based stuff.
	Yeah, better than we did.
	Very, very good job.
	Doing polls about things that are very obvious and getting real credibility with a younger crowd.
	You know, how many people would like the iPhone or like the apps?
	I mean, you just look at Pew Research.
	Who cares polling?
	Yeah, but it's stuff that you think, yeah, well, that makes sense.
	That sounds right.
	And so they've built up their credibility that way, and now here's their numbers on the Ferguson issue, and this is very funny.
	Public reaction to the Brown case varies widely by party ID. 68% of Democrats believe the case raises important issues about race compared to this 22% of Republicans who say that.
	So here's the results are in.
	Republicans don't think it was about race.
	Only 22%.
	Those crazy ass gun-toting nutjob black people hating racist Republicans versus the ever-loving Democrats.
	So 68 percent, that's almost 70 percent.
	They love this race.
	Well, considering that big disparity, could anger over the Brown case motivate more African-American voters to turn up this November?
	Joining me right now is Democratic Congressman Elijah Cummings of Maryland and Democratic pollster Margie Amara.
	I didn't need to hear them.
	Just know that there they are.
	He sets it up.
	He brings them in.
	Let's talk about it.
	The debate is framed.
	It's perfect.
	Well, it's well executed.
	I hadn't thought about doing the Pew thing.
	To say that Republicans don't think it was about race.
	It's beautiful!
	Yeah, no, the whole thing is well done.
	Republicans are just flat-footed.
	Here in California, we've had the motion, they're trying to take guns away from people, even though they've always been in denial.
	No, we're not going to take your guns away.
	The main thing was to get people to get their guns taken away if they had some reason.
	Right.
	He's going to have the guns taken away.
	So when you come into your house and craft guns, you may have been a nutball or something.
	If you're on medication.
	The guns taken away story is where we stand in California.
	The state senate approved legislation today that would take guns away from people who are found to be at risk of hurting themselves or others.
	The legislation would allow law enforcement and family members to petition the courts for a temporary restraining order that would bar possession of a firearm if the gun owner poses a threat.
	The bill is now headed back to the assembly for a vote on amendments.
	It comes in the wake of the deadly rampage near UC Santa Barbara back in May.
	Oh, perfect.
	Yeah, this was the crazy kid who was under care by the Hollywood crazy doctor with a podcast.
	Right, that guy.
	Yes, well, Texas thinks different about that.
	A school district in Texas is putting everyone on notice that some staff members are now carrying guns.
	The Argyle Independent School District voted in favor of school marshals back in January.
	Gun-toting teachers and staff must have a handgun license, undergo firearms training, and pass a psychological evaluation.
	Yeah, where you want to live.
	Where you want your kids to go to school.
	Well, I'm telling you, I want them in Texas.
	Maybe a lot safer there, that's for sure.
	That would be one of the reasons.
	Maybe they learned something about guns, some gun safety, some respect.
	And I've had these...
	I'm sorry.
	I'm going to say, the big gun story that's been going on is some guy teaching a nine-year-old how to shoot a semi-automatic or an automatic weapon.
	She shoots it.
	I mean, I don't know why you would do this.
	I think a nine-year-old should learn how to shoot a gun, but not an automatic weapon that has a kick to it.
	So she said, okay, let's take this off, and now you have an automatic, you have a machine gun.
	Okay, what do I do now?
	Do I just pull the trigger?
	Yeah, just pull the trigger on that, baby.
	And then she pulls the trigger, knocks her on her ass, shoots the guy.
	Okay, so this is...
	I'm not buying what you just said.
	You completely gave the mainstream description of what happened.
	There is video.
	There is video of this.
	Of the girl and the guy, of course we don't actually see anything happen.
	She shoots a single shot.
	It's an Uzi.
	Short Uzi.
	He puts it in single shot mode.
	She fires.
	The recoil on the Uzi is not bad at all, John.
	It's very minor.
	No, I've shot an Uzi.
	They're not bad at all.
	It's very minor.
	She shoots this.
	Little recoil.
	She handles it perfectly.
	And then the video cuts away.
	And we are supposed to believe...
	Maybe it happened.
	I don't know.
	Maybe something else happened.
	Maybe they're blaming.
	Who knows what happened?
	Why can't I see the video?
	Okay, if you can't see the video, then you're right.
	I made a mistake.
	This is one of the things about our show I want to point out, that when one of us gets sidetracked by some mainstream bullcrap, the other one usually catches it.
	Very rarely do we both make the mistake.
	Rarely.
	So what is being suggested in this video is then she pulls the trigger and because of the recoil, the gun, the weapon, I should say, starts firing, goes up over her head and either into the back of her head and shoots the guy down who is apparently now standing behind her.
	And I don't...
	I am sorry to say, if you're going to make this into a big gun story, not you, but if that's what mainstream media does, please release the video.
	I want to see it.
	I want to see what happened.
	And you just gave an excellent description of something that we're not allowed to see.
	I don't understand why.
	I just don't understand.
	Alright, because you did that...
	Because you did that, I'm going to do this to you.
	We will, I should say, not talk about kale on this radio program, just on a stand-on principle on my part.
	This is Marketplace, you can hear from The Voice, on our National Treasure, NPR, and talking about superfoods, John, which you called, wow, two years ago you called the superfood meme?
	But for some reason, our host here of Marketplace refuses to talk about kale.
	To generate letters because this liberal community loves kale.
	Indeed.
	I know that we are not supposed to speak of kale on the show.
	We'll call it the K-word, all right?
	The K-word, John.
	The K-word.
	Oh, so lovely.
	K-word.
	So, in 2012, about 2,500 farms harvested the K-word, which is up from fewer than 1,000 in 2007.
	Since you have broached the topic, far and away, the K-word is the thing that people eat.
	It beats by miles and miles and miles Brussels sprouts, kohlrabi, spinach, chard, and arugula.
	Exactly.
	I mean, those also grew.
	No, no, no, no!
	So I have a clip of a guy that I don't have with us, unfortunately, because I didn't expect you to drop a kale clip on me.
	But there was a food conference recently that was shown on the speakers on C-SPAN, and they ran out the numbers, and the number of people eating kale is really low.
	It's not a high number.
	It's not beating all these other vegetables.
	It's bullcrap.
	So that's a lie?
	Yes.
	Spinach, chard, and arugula.
	Spinach?
	No way!
	No way, he says.
	Arugula.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	This is NPR. This is Marketplace.
	The same people who tell you...
	I gotta take up that clip.
	Yeah, do you have it?
	No, I do have it, but I don't know where it is.
	Was it lined up in a previous show, is my question.
	Yeah, it was.
	Do you know what you would have titled it by any chance?
	Well, you know me.
	Kale?
	Try Kale.
	Look up Kale and see if there's a Kale clip.
	Okay, I have...
	Do you know how long ago it would have been?
	It would have been a couple months back.
	Wow, that may be a little too long.
	Let me see.
	Kale, Flotus Kale, Kale, Ted Kale.
	Was it on Ted?
	Ted Kale.
	What is Ted Kale?
	I don't know.
	Let's play it.
	Let's play the Ted Kale clip.
	That sounds kind of cool.
	I start with greens because they are rich in B vitamins, vitamins A, C, K, and minerals.
	And those are two types of kale.
	Kale has the most nutrition per calorie of any plant.
	Wow.
	The B vitamins will protect your brain cells and your mitochondria.
	Vitamins A and C support your immune cells.
	Vitamin K keeps your blood vessels and bones healthy.
	And minerals are cofactors for hundreds of different enzymes in your bodies.
	So, have more kale, more parsley.
	I remember what that was.
	I remember what that was.
	It was this.
	So, have more kale.
	Have more kale.
	That's what it was.
	Have more kale.
	You will obey. You will obey. You will obey. You will obey. You will obey. You will obey. You will obey. You will obey.
	Up from fewer than 1,000 in 2007.
	Since you have broached the topic, far and away the K-word is the thing that people eat.
	It beats by miles and miles and miles.
	Miles and miles and miles, John.
	This is bullcrap!
	This is a lie!
	We are now measuring financial gain in miles on Marketplace on NPR. I just want to point that out.
	Not dollars.
	Not in pounds of volume, tons.
	No, miles.
	Nobody eats kale.
	Miles of kale.
	How many miles of kale have you eaten, John?
	When's the last time you had kale?
	When did you have kale last?
	You've probably eaten a lot more kale than I do because you have a kale-eating wife.
	When's the last time you had kale?
	I'm going to have to say four months ago.
	Four months ago?
	And you have not had a vegetable sense, I take it.
	This whole show is you asking me questions of which, you know, it's insulting.
	Of course I've had vegetables.
	I'm sorry.
	Veggies.
	Greens.
	Greens.
	I try not to cringe.
	Now you got my blood boiling.
	I know I made a mistake with this stupid story about the little girl shooting a guy, but now...
	Yeah, Mickey does this to me.
	She knows it irks me.
	She doesn't say veggies because she knows too.
	That's an easy one.
	She says greens.
	And she does it just to piss me off.
	Would you like some greens?
	It's worse at the market.
	What do we need now?
	Let's get some greens.
	Because, you know, we're in public and I can't, you know, beat her like I usually do.
	The thing that people eat.
	It beats by miles and miles and miles.
	Brussels sprouts, kohlrabi, spinach, chard, and arugula.
	Arugula!
	Exactly.
	Exactly!
	I mean, those also grew at a very fast pace if we're talking just, you know, vegetable sales.
	You know, they all grew from between 10 and 15 percent.
	She is making it up, isn't she?
	She has no idea.
	No, she's totally making it up.
	Making it up.
	Annually.
	But kale...
	Oh, sorry.
	The K word is skyrocketing ahead of them.
	Skyrocketing ahead of them.
	Skyrockets in flight.
	Why does anybody eat kale?
	I will tell you just by way of closing.
	It is the worst vegetable.
	There only is one way...
	Go ahead.
	Let me just say this.
	The only way you can make kale...
	I looked at all the recipes I was going to publish.
	Here's my idea for a book.
	Tell me this is not a good idea.
	This may be one I can get funded.
	Ready?
	Yeah.
	The World's Greatest Kale Recipes.
	It'll be a 200 page...
	It exists.
	It exists.
	No, no.
	I'm going to do a better one.
	The 4X Greatest Kale Recipes.
	It'll be a book with 200 blank pages.
	Ha ha ha ha!
	It's a joke book.
	This is the finally.
	Finally.
	And you know what?
	Even this book you can't get published.
	You're so lazy.
	You're such a procrastinator.
	Even this one.
	A book with no words you will not be able to finish.
	I think it's a Christmas gift.
	Christmas gift all over it.
	I stake my reputation on it.
	You will not get this done.
	No way.
	Not going to happen.
	It is a fantastic idea.
	It is a great idea.
	And it should be leather bound.
	It should be very expensive looking.
	Don't ruin it.
	Here's what I think you may actually pull off.
	You might, maybe, succeed in publishing an e-book of this nature.
	One page e-book.
	$4.99.
	If you succeed in publishing this book, You can put anything you want, but you are so bad at this.
	But it's a great idea.
	I think it's a fantastic idea.
	Yes.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Go for it.
	Closing in the spirit of true confessions.
	K-word chatroom had another one.
	And I will do, John, when you publish this...
	Okay, here's what we're going to do.
	Are you still with me?
	I'm listening.
	If you succeed in publishing...
	The 200 Best Kale Recipes, which is a book with a cover and just empty pages.
	I will do the audiobook version.
	That's a good one.
	In the spirit of true confessions, K-word chips, you put them in the oven, 450, little olive oil, salt, boom, delicious.
	Yum.
	Yum.
	I'm being completely honest here.
	Well, it's good.
	Keep an open mind, right?
	Vanessa Wong of Bloomberg Business Week.
	Thank you, Vanessa.
	Thank you.
	From Bloomberg Business Week, no less.
	Thanks for coming on the show with your lies.
	So I looked at all the kale recipes, and the only way that seems to be worse, you could actually choke down the dish, is you parboil the kale for like, I don't know, as long as you can to take the leathery quality out.
	Then you fry it with bacon fat and bacon pieces.
	And maybe a little onion.
	And some salt and pepper.
	And you fry it so it becomes, you know, like soaked with bacon fat.
	This is your superfood with all its great nutritional benefits.
	You have to eat bacon and bacon fat with it to make it palatable.
	You could actually eat that dish.
	It's possible.
	Even though you'd be picking away at the bacon and eating more bacon than you would be eating kale.
	It's bullcrap.
	This vegetable stinks.
	Welcome to Audible.
	Books in audio from Audible, an Amazon company.
	Adam Curry reading 200 best kale recipes.
	The end.
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	Imagine all the people who could do that.
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	Give us a few people to thank.
	We will be hitting a moment here with the 15-minute shutdown.
	But let's get underway with Sean McDaniel in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
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	I propose a new donation point of $140.
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	It's a Trusted Traveler donation.
	Yes, very good.
	Very good.
	Oops.
	There's our 15-minute warning.
	Right on time.
	Perfect.
	Let me mark down the time.
	John was exactly right.
	We are at...
	Let's see.
	Oops.
	Let me get the...
	Here we go.
	I just got to write these down.
	I might not edit anything out just to spite everybody so you can listen to it all.
	That was more than 15 minutes.
	There we go.
	No, that was actually...
	You missed one.
	That happened while you were playing a clip 15 minutes ago.
	And it returned to me before you were done with the clip.
	And now this is the next 15 minutes.
	So we'll start again.
	We'll have another one.
	And when it returned to you, did you just laugh like you had heard the whole thing?
	And you just, like, whatever.
	Curry's stupid clips.
	Is that what you did?
	Yeah.
	I commonly do that whenever you play a clip anyways.
	It's natural.
	Just making sure.
	Thank you.
	I feel so much better.
	It was easy.
	Onward.
	Mike Scalora in Orem, Utah.
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	Vladimir Stashkov in Kamerovo, Russia.
	999. 999.
	We want to thank all our Russian listeners.
	Richard Shanda in Lee, New Hampshire, 93-93.
	Now we have some 77-77 well-wishers helping our celebrating not too many of us.
	7th anniversary coming up.
	October what?
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	October something.
	I'll get the exact date in one of the newsletters.
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	James Shea in Bruston Mills, West Virginia.
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	And Daryl Coquillet.
	Coquillette.
	That would be the way to...
	You're right, you're right.
	Cortland, Illinois.
	It's Coquillette with kale on the menu today.
	And now we have James, KE4GIV. Kilo Echo 4, Golf India Victor.
	Yes, I have a note from him somewheres.
	While you're looking for the note...
	I got the note.
	I got the note.
	I don't have to look for the note anymore.
	I do want to read this note.
	He says he's on the verge of being a boner, so before that happens, here's a donation.
	He listened live on Sunday, but listened to Thursday's show via BitSync.
	Are we still doing that?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	BitTorrentSync.
	You have to use the DHT, which I said is the future of all things internet distributed hash tables.
	If you enable the DHT search, it'll work regardless of how many.
	It's an undocumented feature that allows limitless people to receive the The program instead of the built-in limit.
	Yeah, DHT. Enable DHT, people.
	You have your pen?
	Yes.
	Sorry.
	I didn't do it.
	His birthday is on Sunday, 824.
	He'll be 51.
	Hold on a second.
	Let me see.
	Birthday.
	And this is whom?
	James?
	James.
	Richmond, Virginia.
	Kilo Echo 4 Gulf India victor.
	Richmond, Virginia.
	73 was the donation, get it?
	Yeah, K-E-4.
	And when's his birthday?
	The 24th.
	It was, okay.
	Sunday, last Sunday.
	And how old?
	Sunday.
	51.
	51.
	He's a young spring chick.
	How old are you going to be?
	50.
	He's older than you.
	Yeah, so that's young.
	Come on, we're young.
	We're very popular with the ladies.
	Donald Kuehl.
	I think it's Kewel.
	Kewel.
	It's pronounced Kewel.
	Okay.
	Well, he's in Wyndham, New Hampshire, whatever it's pronounced.
	It's $69.
	And he also, Donald Kewel, right, because he sent another $68.
	And then he sent another $67, which takes him over some mark.
	And he calls himself Sir Don Crap.
	So he's a Sir Don Crap.
	Okay.
	Didn't send a note, but here's another $60.
	In two years now, Great News desperately needs some race car karma.
	Add some karma for him at the end there.
	He also says, hold on, on the third one, his $67, he says, Sir Don, again, and a call out to Brian Mancuso, the douchebag who hit me in the mouth.
	He's getting married.
	So now it's $69 plus $68 plus $67.
	It's $204 and totally worth it.
	So I get an associate executive producer for this show, too.
	Ah.
	Oh, we have to bump him up.
	Tricky.
	Very tricky, Sir Don.
	Okay.
	So then he does get a karma car, whatever he wanted.
	A race car karma.
	I don't know what that...
	Give him a karma.
	Yeah, I'm happy to give him that.
	Race car karma.
	You've got karma.
	Don't trick us like this, people.
	It screws up the back office.
	What do you think we are?
	NBC? Yeah, we don't have that kind of expensive help that the NBC suits have.
	Chris, 6666, parts unknown Taiwan.
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	Amand in Kingston, Ontario, 6666.
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	We will always read him because he's a baron.
	This is a mac and cheese donation from the Twitterverse.
	I had to make sure you got at least one $64.64.
	This is also a Sunday morning 6.46 before the show revelation.
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	Okay, for a few weeks ago.
	I guess it was okay for him.
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	55 double nickels on the dime.
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	Sorry, mispronounced it.
	Massachusetts.
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	Now, these are all $50 donors that closes us out for today's show.
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	It's now being heavily monitored by lots of people.
	Yeah.
	I have no idea what we're going to do about it, but maybe it'll...
	Wow.
	Sorry.
	You hear this?
	No.
	No, you don't hear it.
	And maybe if I turn off the noise gate, you can hear it at home.
	That's pretty interesting.
	You can't hear that?
	No.
	Oh, it just...
	And it just stopped.
	Okay.
	Fine.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, I'm a little concerned about this.
	You have a couple more shows to do from here.
	I'm not quite sure what we're going to do about it.
	It's livable.
	The lag went away.
	That's okay.
	But the 15-minute thing, man, that's been bad.
	You had to post the whole show.
	Yeah.
	Well, there you go.
	Yeah.
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	That's all you can ask from us.
	But we will need more help on Sunday's show.
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	So we still have the guy, the phony baloney Douglas MacArthur, 33 years old.
	Yeah, how annoying is this?
	You really want to go back to that?
	We still want to do more of this California?
	We can't talk about him.
	No, but just because you put it in the news.
	We don't have to.
	It's not important.
	I think everyone's got it figured.
	I was in the news a lot.
	I think that's all you need to talk about.
	No, here...
	Oh, no, no, no.
	We have to talk about something.
	Hold on a second, my friend.
	Do we have tech news?
	John?
	Yeah, we do have tech news.
	We have quite a bit of tech news.
	The only good phone's a landline, and the phone should be made out of Bakelite.
	That's right!
	It's Tech News, everybody!
	Jean C. This C stands for Caps Lock Dvorak, here with Tech News!
	Well, I have some clips, actually, if you want to call this Tech News.
	Wow.
	And this was, I was watching McLaughlin Report, and they're talking about driverless cars now.
	This is where I get my tech news from.
	Yeah, the McLaughlin Report, because you know, in fact, McLaughlin, he says something in here that you will crack up.
	Okay.
	But this reminds me of that.
	We actually listened to the clip earlier in the show where the guy says, I don't know if any of you are old enough to remember, and he talks about Sputnik.
	Sputnik, Sputnik.
	And when you turn the camera onto the audience, there was people with walkers.
	I mean, it was, I don't think the youngest person in there was probably...
	So they all knew, of course.
	They all knew it.
	70.
	They're 70.
	He was the youngest.
	Okay.
	So here we go.
	This is the lead into the driverless cars discussion by a bunch of farts that don't know anything.
	Is it a package that we're going to play here?
	We're going to play the package.
	Shut your car down.
	Shut a whole bunch of cars down because everything is now wired up.
	Today's leading automakers are incorporating computer control features.
	Wow, he sounds bad, man.
	He doesn't sound healthy anymore.
	No, he doesn't look good either.
	...into new model cars to help drivers navigate, maintain lanes, avoid collisions, park, and back up.
	All these features are vulnerable to hacking.
	Researchers at the University of California and the University of Washington have used music CDs to introduce viruses into car computer systems, taking over their controls.
	In one test, research teams using a laptop in an adjacent vehicle wirelessly disabled the electronic braking system of a car traveling at 40 miles per hour.
	And that's just today's technology.
	The ultimate in vehicle automation is Google's self-driving car, now legal for road use in three states, California, Nevada, and Florida.
	Google employees have road tested the cars commuting to work in Silicon Valley.
	Advocates say driverless cars, that is, vehicles directed by a smartphone app, will cut down on accidents, reduce traffic congestion, and allow people with disabilities like blindness to drive, so to speak.
	But the FBI's Directorate of Intelligence warns that these benefits come up with a downside.
	Quote, autonomy will make mobility more efficient.
	That's a warning!
	...will also open up greater possibilities for dual-use applications and ways for a car to be more of a potential lethal weapon than it is today.
	For instance, driverless cars could be used for stalking or surveillance or as getaway vehicles, leaving criminals free to shoot at pursuers.
	Program needs to be taken off the television airwaves.
	This is officially...
	He should have added the word glitch in there just to top it off for good measure.
	That was shit.
	You think?
	Wow.
	Here's what gets me about it, especially that driverless cars are apps for this iPhone.
	Okay.
	Does nobody on the staff, does nobody sitting there, does nobody producing this show, does nobody spot that gap?
	No.
	No.
	No!
	The people who are producing this are dicks.
	The people who are on the show are dicks.
	The information is dicks.
	It's stupid.
	No wonder the littlest dumb show can look good with tech news.
	At least they threw in a phone reference, a couple smartphone.
	Oh, tech news.
	Yes.
	Oh, yes.
	That sounds proper to me.
	That sounds right.
	It's an app.
	Oh, yes.
	All right.
	So tell me, Eleanor.
	So tell me, Eleanor.
	He's a constitutional lawyer.
	Tell me she said something stupid.
	And that's our 13-minute mark right there.
	I shall write that down as, you know, four.
	I shall write it in there.
	Perfect.
	Yeah, so I'll have to reconnect, I guess.
	This was 13 minutes on the button.
	13 minutes on the nose.
	Perfect.
	And John should be...
	There he is.
	This was 13 minutes.
	That was a...
	A little shorter.
	It was definitely less than...
	13.
	I'm timing it.
	15 minutes.
	Okay.
	Well, I think 13 was the number I had originally.
	I said 13 minutes.
	My question is, does Eleanor say something stupid in one of your clips?
	Eleanor was the only one who didn't say something stupid.
	Oh, no!
	This is how weird it is.
	I have two more little sub clips.
	You listen to these and you get the whole gist of the whole deal.
	Weird.
	You get the whole gist of the whole deal.
	You said weird.
	What was my error?
	That's how weird this was.
	Oh!
	Damn it.
	I have conversations with people who now say, hey, at least I didn't say weird.
	They're so afraid now to talk with me.
	Good.
	I think it's bad.
	We've talked about this at the dinner table, the words that we have to get rid of.
	And when people say it at the dinner table, and by the way...
	One of my pet peeve words, which if I ever hear you say it on the show, I think I'd jump all over you.
	You said it on Tom Merritt's program.
	You're supposed to say, well, what was that?
	What are you talking about?
	What did I say?
	What are you talking about?
	Oh, wow.
	I said, oh, wow?
	You said, oh, wow.
	I don't remember that.
	I don't recall.
	I can clip it.
	It's at the 24-minute mark.
	I said, in what regard?
	In what story?
	He said something.
	He said, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	Let me do my imitation of Tom Merritt.
	Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	And then you went, wow.
	And I went, oh, wow.
	He said, oh, wow.
	Oh, man.
	So anyway, oh wow, it's like, I don't like anyone saying it.
	I bitch about it all the time when a cashier says it.
	Let's get back to these clips, I'm sorry.
	But you said it.
	You should be aware that you must have, it's lurking.
	The oh wow.
	Move on old man.
	Driverless cars discussion one.
	Question, who poses the greater risk of hacking high-tech cars?
	Mischievous teenage geeks or cyber criminals?
	Papua Khan.
	Well, John, I would say if you're talking about how many attacks would come, it would probably be the geeks.
	But if you talk about some malevolent attack, like disabling the brakes on somebody's car when it's going on a highway, And doing it deliberately, I would say, would be an enemy of some kind or other domestic or foreign.
	Or maybe if it's Michael Hastings in a journalist type of situation.
	But I do think, look, every time you make one of these advances, there are no doubt there are problems with it.
	But you disable somebody's brakes, you do it mechanically, or you do it by cyber warfare, that is really, that's a murder if those people die in that.
	So it's, I mean, I don't see what really the basic difference is between if you're going to disable a person's brakes.
	I need to interrupt for one moment.
	The exact same package, and I know, without even having seen it, I know the video footage that they showed.
	They had the tricked out Prius, and the door is open, he's running alongside, and then the steering wheel jerks, and the horn starts honking, the lights start flashing.
	I've seen the footage here in the Netherlands on a package.
	Similar package.
	It's a package.
	Yes, and this package was created, I believe, because of DEFCON, and it's filler.
	It's summertime filler, and there's a presentation at DEFCON about hacking cars, and this video is from a year ago.
	It's from DEFCON last year.
	Yeah, we talked about it when it came out.
	Yeah, exactly.
	All right, so this was marginally interesting, yes?
	Yes.
	No.
	All right.
	No.
	All right.
	Go to driverless cars discussion, too, and we'll be done with this and tech news will be over.
	No, no, no.
	We have more tech news.
	We want objectivity here.
	Can you speak to this?
	You know, I actually think it's quite dangerous, you know, because it renders too many people in a position to create accidents that really are not responsible in the sense that they're driving the car.
	And that seems to me to give you a level of recklessness that I would be uncomfortable with.
	So the one thing I would do is, if you're going to have that, you have to find some way to protect the car from any kind of independent people, you know, hacking away.
	That's a whole new area for lawyers here in terms of why this is.
	You know, if you're talking about the 14-year-old in Indonesia, there are so many ways you can disrupt life in this country, you know, Power grids and so forth.
	And they're not doing that.
	So I choose to look at the positive side of this.
	Most of, 60-70% of accidents are caused by driver errors.
	This gets rid of that.
	You can also buy cars today that park automatically.
	I wouldn't mind having one of those.
	People don't realize how automated their cars already are.
	Your steering, your brakes, things that feel like you're doing yourself, that's computers that work there.
	People don't realize it.
	I think people like to feel that they're in control, so these Google self-driving cars, I think, will be slow to catch on.
	It'll be more of a younger generation thing.
	And I don't think it's going to be...
	She should be on Twit.
	She'd be perfect.
	And here's Eleanor from the McLaughlin Group.
	Well, that was actually, Eleanor passed it off to the other woman, and she went on and on.
	Now, and she's the one who talked about the number of cars that have fly-by-wire steering, I think, amount to the Prius.
	And I don't know anyone else who, I don't know how many cars use that technology.
	But anyway, this whole thing, that was it.
	They don't know what the hell's going on and they just yak away.
	This is the worst.
	This show has jumped the shark.
	And you're right.
	If you look at McLaughlin, he can barely keep his head up.
	He's like the old pope that died.
	You know, his head was all bent on the frequency.
	Yeah, it's sad, but yes.
	I wouldn't put it in the book because it's morbid, but I would say within the next 12 months, he's not going to be doing the show anymore for obvious reasons.
	It's possible.
	No, we don't want to put bad karma on the guy.
	Oh, I forgot everyone's karma.
	We'll do it before the show is over.
	It's been a tough one.
	It came around.
	All right.
	Yeah, it was because of the breakup.
	I have some tech news.
	Briefly, I have some tech news.
	Oh, more tech news?
	Yes, tech news!
	I was scanning through my C-SPAN clips and this was the announcement.
	The group NextGov recently hosted a discussion on cybersecurity and how agencies are responding to threats with new technology.
	Among the speakers is the Deputy Assistant Homeland Secretary for Cybersecurity Strategy and Emergency Communications.
	This is an hour and a half.
	This is an hour and a half.
	Hour and a half.
	This is an hour and a half.
	We should have our show start off.
	This is about 14 hours.
	With an interruption every 13 minutes, just like real TV. Yeah, right.
	So we're not making any extra money on it.
	I am all ready for this.
	Okay, this is an interesting outfit.
	NextGov.
	Before I even start, I'm like, let me check out this group NextGov.
	I believe we've talked about these people.
	Well, once again, it is the scam of all scams.
	We have completely missed the boat on this one.
	When I saw the moderator...
	And host, and one of the voices of NextGov, and I have a new person to despise.
	Okay.
	Aaliyah Sternstein.
	I want to thank our guests for coming in this morning.
	This is one of the best lineups we've had since I joined five years ago.
	Are you familiar with Aaliyah Sternstein?
	How do you spell her name?
	A-L-I-Y-A-H Sternstein Sternstein Sternstein and she has this hat on which is her trademark hat and it's like a huge it's like a It is similar to a garden pot upside down on her head made of felt.
	It covers her ears, draws down over her eyebrows just above her eyes with a little brim.
	And she has a little pixie cutie hair thing underneath it.
	She's a dick!
	What?
	She is also one of the people that show up, apparently, because I'm looking at pictures of her, on MSNBC. Oh, she's everywhere.
	Now I see her everywhere, because she's so cute!
	So thank you very much.
	Thank you all for coming in this morning.
	This is a woman who was heading up an outfit that steals money.
	From government people and scares them with bullcrap and lies.
	I want to move briefly through the introduction so that we can let each of them speak and then have time at the end for questions and answers.
	Yes, thank you very much.
	I do have a picture of her, John.
	Doesn't she look super annoying?
	She does.
	So, the topic we're addressing here is that you have ever-increasing challenges securing government networks.
	Ever-increasing challenges securing government naming.
	One side is agencies have to prepare for the unpreparable, and that's these...
	John, agency have to prepare for the unpreparable.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Is it going to be one of those that's going to make me mad?
	They all make you mad.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Yes.
	How do you prepare for the unpreparable?
	It makes no logical sense.
	It makes no logical sense.
	It's on C-SPAN, too.
	It's on C-SPAN. Not two, but on C-SPAN one.
	It's on C-SPAN. If it's unpreparable, you can't prepare for it.
	Period.
	This is a tech person.
	Ever-evolving threats that are hitting the internet.
	The ever-evolving threats that are hitting the internet.
	Surely you've heard of them.
	Ever-evolving threats.
	Well, every 13 minutes we have one of these ever-evolving threats.
	Threats that are hitting the internet, smartphones, refrigerators, cars, anything.
	Smartphones, refrigerators, cars, it's all threats.
	For the unpreparable, and that's these ever-evolving threats that are hitting the internet, smartphones, refrigerators, cars, anything connected to networks.
	Let me ask you something.
	Has there been an unpreparable event that you were not prepared for regarding your refrigerator recently?
	Yeah, the power went out, the grid went out for a couple minutes.
	And then on the other side, you have ever-shrinking IT budgets.
	Which we're going to take away from you.
	So agencies are getting pretty creative in finding new ways to make sure their computer systems are as secure as possible in a cost-effective manner.
	Alright, I'm calling this woman out as a shill, douchebag, phony, hipster chick who needs to stop this.
	Hipster chick.
	She is.
	Let me introduce each of our guests.
	No, we're not going to do that.
	That squeaky voice is enough to drive you nuts.
	You have to see the visual.
	You have to see the visual of this chick.
	It's just, oh!
	Okay, it's your new favorite girl.
	Yeah, that's my new favorite girl.
	I think we're done.
	I think we should end this on a high note.
	The hipster chick Adam hates.
	Or would you like to play us out with one thing that will leave us to ponder life?
	Okay.
	Well, I can play a...
	A couple of things here that are kind of amusing.
	But let's play this.
	It's a kicker.
	Another one of those kickers.
	A little short comment.
	Something that's terse and to the point and gets us all right where we want to be.
	This is the carbon tax kicker with Thom Hartman.
	Carbon tax kicker Thaum Hartman cannot be good.
	If we want to save our planet and the human race from the greatest threat we've ever faced, a carbon tax is absolutely essential.
	It's just that simple.
	Science!
	Science!
	Only if you accept the science.
	It's just that simple.
	It's just that simple.
	There's no two ways about it.
	You save the human race.
	That's right.
	This is the biggest threat in the history of mankind.
	That's right.
	It absolutely is.
	Ebola is a close second, though.
	No, I think Ebola's coming.
	Yeah, it had a little bigger impact, but okay.
	Or the Spanish flu?
	Or was that Spanish fly?
	I can't remember.
	The flu.
	That wasn't good either.
	Hey, John, thanks for hanging in there, man.
	It must have been really tough on your end.
	Actually, it was okay.
	Yeah.
	I mean, except for the lamp.
	Yeah.
	Well, you've done very well.
	I could not tell at all.
	Well, that's because I stepped all over you.
	Yeah.
	I'm used to you sounding much more asleep.
	Yeah, well now it's early afternoon for God's sake.
	Yeah, no kidding.
	We never tweeted.
	Oh, we didn't do that either.
	Well, there you go.
	We'll try to do better on Sunday.
	We'll see if we can get everything working.
	Thank you all very much for your courage.
	Thank you for staying around.
	I got the karma coming up as promised.
	We'll try and get everything together, everybody.
	Coming to you from the Wired Canal House here in the pipe in Amsterdam.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where I remained while he's traveling the world, gallivanting, as it were, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We'll talk to you on Sunday right here on No Agenda.
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