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622: Operation Chokepoint

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	Well, things move fast in this world.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Sunday, June 1st, 2014.
	It's time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, Episode 622.
	This is No Agenda.
	Bunny Bunny from FEMA Region 6 here in the Travis Heights hideout in the capital of the Drone Star State.
	In the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where the weather's turned bad, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's Crackpot and Buzzkill.
	In the morning.
	Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
	Thank you.
	Turned bad in what way?
	It's like it was foggy and cold.
	It's like this was not happening until July.
	But we've had such a hot year so far that I guess we've moved everything up a month.
	Normally speaking, the cold weather moves in around July 1st.
	Right.
	Well, you have June Gloom in Southern California, so that kind of starts now.
	Yeah, well, we don't have that.
	I remember when we were there.
	It was horrible.
	The whole month of June is misty and chilly.
	Yeah, it stays that way until September.
	Yeah, that's why they call it June Gloom.
	Makes so much sense.
	Ah, yes.
	Well, a lot of interesting things happening here.
	Many an interesting thing.
	Yeah, and thank goodness we're here to dissect it for everybody.
	Well, somebody's got to do it.
	Apparently the mainstream media's not going to do anything.
	I've been getting a lot of messages from our servicemen and women in producers who listen to the show and contribute about Bo Bergdahl.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	We got a very long note, a nice note from a sergeant.
	Right.
	A staff sergeant in Afghanistan who sent a...
	I guess everybody knows what's going on except the American public.
	Well, let me play...
	This is a little piece of the president in the Rose Garden.
	Now, all of this comes, of course, amidst some other issues the administration is having, mainly with the VA, Veterans Assistance, with the scandal.
	And now, of course, we had the...
	Is it the director of the VA resign?
	Yeah, they had Geish and Shecky.
	Yeah.
	Which, by the way, you know who was responsible for that, don't you?
	For the resignation?
	Yeah.
	Who?
	I can't believe you didn't know that.
	Bernie Sanders tells us.
	Who have been calling for some time for Shinseki to step down or be fired.
	Can he survive?
	Well, Chris, some veterans groups have been, and some veterans groups have not.
	And I do understand.
	The Republican Party and the Koch brothers and others are putting money into television ads in states where people are running.
	Of course, the Koch brothers.
	I didn't realize.
	He got me on that one.
	I didn't know it was the Koch brothers.
	The Koch brothers.
	I can't believe you didn't know that.
	No, I didn't know the Koch brothers.
	You silly man.
	I didn't know the Koch brothers.
	Here's the president.
	So there's lots of scandals and you want to distract as much as possible.
	Now, of course, it was interesting that President Obama went to Afghanistan and Karzai refused to meet with him.
	That is, of course, what we heard.
	Whether that is true or not, we don't have no idea.
	But I think, Carson, I was afraid of getting a shiv in the gut.
	But this may have been to finalize this negotiation, which by itself is very interesting.
	This morning, I called Bob and Jannie Bergdahl and told them that after nearly five years in captivity, their son, Beau, is coming home.
	Sergeant Bergdahl has missed birthdays and holidays and the simple moments with family and friends, which all of us take for granted.
	But while Bo was gone, he was never forgotten.
	His parents thought about him and prayed for him every single day, as did his sister Sky, who prayed for his safe return.
	He wasn't forgotten by his community in Idaho.
	Or the military.
	He wasn't forgotten by his country.
	Because the United States of America does not...
	Negotiate with terrorists.
	...ever leave our men and women in uniform behind.
	He didn't say that, but he used to.
	He used to say that.
	Let's listen to what he actually did.
	As Commander-in-Chief, I am proud of the service members who recovered Sergeant Bergdahl and brought him safely out of harm's way.
	As usual, they've performed with extraordinary courage and professionalism, and they've made their nation proud.
	Right now, our top priority is making sure that Bo gets the care and support that he needs and that he can be reunited with his family as soon as possible.
	I'm also grateful for the tireless work of our diplomats and for the cooperation of the government of Qatar in helping to secure Beau's release.
	We've worked for several years to achieve this goal, and earlier this week I was able to personally thank the Emir of Qatar for his leadership in helping us get it done.
	As part of this effort, the United States is transferring five detainees from the prison in Guantanamo Bay to Qatar.
	The Qatari government has given us assurances that it will put in place measures to protect our national security.
	So it certainly seems like a deal was struck to me, John, like we had some kind of negotiation with the Taliban, who I believe have been labeled as terrorists.
	Well, they're the enemy, for sure.
	And we negotiated a settlement with them.
	With the enemy.
	Or with the terrorists.
	We negotiated with terrorists, yeah.
	This seems to be contrary to what we always have said we do or don't do.
	Which brings me to the...
	Could I read the long note from one of our donors for today's show?
	Then we can skip it when we get to it.
	Yeah.
	This is...
	I want to read this.
	This is one of our executive speakers.
	Yeah, it's the H-M-F-I-C is what he calls himself, I believe.
	Yeah, and this is...
	It came in from Santa Rosa.
	And...
	This is very interesting to everybody that listens to this show.
	Been listening to the show for a few years now.
	First time donating.
	I'm an Army Staff Sergeant and Veteran of Afghanistan.
	I felt the need to come in with my first donation in the amount of $500 to ensure my note gets read.
	And that both of you, as well as the No Agenda Nation, knows I am putting my money where my mouth is with what I'm about to say.
	The nose broke today that PFC Bo Bergdahl...
	I'm sorry.
	I'll get it.
	I'm just getting started here.
	Just rampant.
	Just getting warm.
	The supposed POW was released to U.S. custody today following an exchange for five high-value targets from Gitmo.
	Aside from the fact that a precedent had been set now that all U.S. troops downrange are worth five Taliban, effectively putting a big fat target on them for capture, and that the U.S. does in fact negotiate with terrorists.
	In fact, the true nature of how he came to be in Taliban custody has been completely whitewashed by the media and makes me sick to my stomach.
	I refer to him as PFC, Private First Class, as that is the rank he was when he deserted.
	When you are officially classified as a POW, you get promoted along with your peers, and I refuse to refer to him as a sergeant because he did not earn these goddamn stripes.
	I was deployed in Afghanistan supporting PFC Bergdahl's unit when all this went down and we got the story firsthand from his fellow soldiers.
	The short version is that PFC Bergdahl deserted his unit and his fellow soldiers and attempted to defect to the Taliban and passed them all the intel he had.
	He wrote letters stating he was ashamed to be an American, dressed up as a local national, and left his gear and weapon and his hooch.
	He then snuck off the FOB, Forward Operating Base, during the shift change and was snatched when he met up with enemy forces thinking that they would welcome him with open arms.
	In the immediate operation to find him, everything stopped and all resources were put to locating him.
	Over 12 U.S. troops were killed in action and dozens wounded in the attempt to find him.
	Seeing the flurry of Facebook posts and news stories falling all over themselves to fawn at his return, forget the facts outlined above.
	Take it or leave it.
	You can believe the media and the government or you can believe those that were on the ground when it happened.
	Just wanted the no agenda nation to hear my perspective.
	Then he adds a couple more comments which got truncated so they don't make any sense.
	But I think that's...
	I have the untruncated comments.
	What is interesting is that why now after five years when they could have made this exchange at any time is this done?
	Oh, I don't know.
	Perhaps the VA scandal reaching a critical mass and spoke so carny and shit-sucky.
	Yes, I spelled it wrong on purpose.
	Resigning.
	The president needed a win and desperately needed to change the focus of the news cycle.
	Watch, he says.
	By Monday, the deplorable conditions veterans experience in the VA will be a footnote and the entire focus will be on PFC Bergdahl.
	Never mind the 23 veterans that commit suicide every 24 hours.
	Never mind the veterans left to die so administrators can get their bonuses.
	Never mind the fact that they just attempt to medicate us instead of treating us.
	Let us all just focus on feeling good because a treasonous traitor was brought home.
	I digress.
	In closing, I just wanted to say how much I appreciate what you guys do.
	I love my country and have spent the last 13 years in uniform service with many more to come.
	I encourage my soldiers to listen to no agenda and question everything, to not take someone else's word for what is true, but to research and think and arrive at their own conclusions once all angles have been examined.
	I tell them if they are prepared to give everything including their life for their country, they need to understand exactly what that sacrifice means.
	And that is from our HMFIC, which is military speak for head motherfucker in charge.
	And he will be an executive producer on episode 622.
	We thank him for his courage.
	And that was a very nice note.
	Very interesting and insightful.
	And it's not vetted, but after you do this for a while, it makes nothing but sense what he says.
	And when you see the first picture of this guy, he looks like a Taliban.
	He's got the beard.
	Well, his father...
	He could have shaved.
	His father...
	Let me see if I have this.
	I don't have it clipped.
	But he was speaking to his son in Pashto because Bo apparently is having trouble speaking English at the moment.
	Because I guess he only speaks Pashto or Talibanese.
	But there's another email going around, which I'm not going to read in full, but I've received this from multiple sources, also from Agent Orange in the Netherlands, who, as you know, is connected through the service there.
	And it is a similar note, but it even has the names of the servicemen KIA looking for Bergdahl.
	And that's been doing the round, so you'll see that one for sure.
	But this was, yeah, not vetted, but why do we have any reason to doubt it?
	Zero.
	Zero reason to doubt it.
	It's like the Benghazi situation.
	These guys are just in the cover-up mode.
	But I think this was a blunder of the highest order once this gets out.
	I mean, it just seems as though this administration, like all the previous administrations, is completely divorced from reality.
	Does anybody take these ideas and have a meeting, which you'd think, because they're having meetings all day, and say, what's the worst that can happen if we do this?
	I guess not.
	And I would think it's very possible that they had this meeting.
	Hey, let's do this.
	It'll be great.
	And I think that's when Carney said, oh, yeah, I'm not going to stand up there on the podium and defend that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, why would you?
	Yeah, no, Carney may...
	Yeah, that may be the reason Carney quit.
	He doesn't want to have to deal with the questions.
	Can you imagine?
	If you know, because this is already going around, it's on our show, we've got a very elaborate explanation of what's happening.
	A serviceman...
	Who has been an Afghanistan veteran, who is actively serving, is willing to promote this message by supporting the show in not an insignificant amount of money.
	This has got to tell you something!
	Yeah, and you have to assume that this is a feeling that, just like anything else, I mean, these guys all know what's going on, at least in the area around where this happened, and they get the word out, and then this comes back and ends up being a question by somebody in the press conference, and Carney would have to answer this deal with this, and have to either lie or fumble around.
	Yeah, this is the time to leave.
	I'm out of here.
	Yeah.
	Hey, see, I've taken enough flack.
	Let the junior guy do it.
	Yeah, bring him in.
	Yeah, he doesn't, he won't be there for long.
	Poor bastard.
	Oh, man.
	This is actually going to be quite funny to watch.
	For next Thursday's show, we should have some.
	The fireworks should have begun by then.
	Well, I don't know if...
	I didn't pay any attention to any of the Sunday talk shows.
	I don't know if it's coming up or not.
	These, of course, they're all taped on Friday.
	I think this will not begin to appear until Tuesday or Wednesday.
	We're just ahead of everybody, as usual.
	Well, you know, so now we need to set something off.
	We need a real distraction, quick, to move it away from this.
	It's not scheduled.
	No, no, no.
	But it could be...
	It's not an FBI distraction.
	We need eight...
	Who cares?
	Some kind of distraction is necessary now.
	Yeah, some big one.
	Like a drone strike in Los Angeles.
	We have...
	Yeah.
	I'm sad, though.
	I'm sad to see Jay Carney go.
	I don't know if this new guy is funny.
	Can we make fun of him?
	We've seen him.
	We've had clips from him.
	He's really...
	He's really like a lurch kind of character.
	He's very...
	You know, he's just dead up there.
	He's not interesting.
	I think it would be much more fun to move Marie Harf over.
	Oh, and this one time, at band camp, I stuck a foot in my pussy.
	She would be great.
	I wish.
	No, we get another.
	Josh.
	Josh.
	Luckily, George Clooney is moving into politics.
	Yeah, that's not going to go anywhere.
	Do you think this is...
	I think that's a distraction of the week.
	Yeah, I gotta agree.
	That felt kind of weird.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	All I know is there's been a lot of baffling stuff going on.
	So I have a couple of things I want to get out of the way, which is this thing that's been bothering me.
	And it turns out, by listening to C-SPAN, I now know what it is.
	Ah, I know exactly what you're talking about.
	I think you tweeted about this.
	Yes, I know the name of it.
	The things I've been building up is that the strippers have had their Chase Bank accounts closed.
	And porn business guys.
	And the webcam girls.
	And the webcam girls.
	They've lost their bank accounts.
	Essentially all the good stuff.
	And let's be very honest.
	Webcam girls and podcasters, not that far apart when it comes to business model.
	Yes, the same thing could happen to anybody.
	And then the other thing that would coincidentally, nobody made the connection, which is that the pot growers in Washington State and the pot dealers cannot get a bank account.
	And Washington State's got a big scandal going, nobody can get a bank account.
	They said, well, I'll do a cash business, I don't care.
	But that's, you know, they can't get loans, they can't do anything.
	And this is happening in Colorado, too.
	But to a lesser extent, Washington's where they're doing the experiment.
	And it all began with this thing, turns out, was Operation Chokepoint, and it began with...
	The FBI deciding, because nobody seems to be able to legislate against any of this stuff, deciding to crack down on payday loan companies by eliminating the possibility that they can use banking services, taking them out of the financial system.
	And this is actually something...
	How exactly does that work?
	Can you explain the flow of the payday loans, how that system works?
	Well, the payday loans thing is obviously just a scam to get you to get an advance on your check, and then you have very expensive interest rates.
	You have to pay it back the next week.
	But to take you out of the banking thing works easily.
	I mean, we take three FBI guys.
	We walk into Mechanics Bank.
	We want to see the manager.
	We're very concerned about the Adam Curry, John Dvorak accounts.
	Very, very concerned because they're negative.
	No, seriously.
	They go in and they say we would appreciate it if you cooperated with us and just tell them that their accounts are closed.
	What is a bank guy going to do?
	Now, they're working, according to this testimony, they're also working with the FDIC. So they can bring the insurance, because you might lose your FDIC certification or whatever.
	But anyway, so they're doing this to various entities.
	There's only five articles I can find on this so far in the news.
	And it actually cracked into the Congress in January of this year when Daryl Issa demanded to see a list of all the businesses that are going to be part of this.
	As far as I can tell, there's nothing.
	Although there's one congressman who's the guy that's going to be speaking here.
	He has 80 businesses that he or 80 types of businesses that he knows that they're doing this for.
	And here is Operation Chokepoint.
	What person do for Missouri rise?
	Mr. Chairman, I have an amendment at the desk.
	Clerk will report the amendment.
	Amendment offered by Mr. Luton.
	Lueckemeyer of Missouri.
	At the end of the bill, before the short title, insert the following section.
	None of the funds made available in this act may be used to carry out Operation Choke Point.
	Presented to the House Order today, the gentleman from Missouri, Mr.
	Lueckemeyer, and a member opposed will each control five minutes.
	The chair recognizes the gentleman from Missouri for five minutes.
	Thank you, Mr.
	Chairman.
	How does the federal government get rid of an industry it simply doesn't like?
	Easy.
	It cuts that industry off from the financial services it needs to operate.
	Sound impossible?
	Sure it does.
	However, that's exactly what the Department of Justice is doing in conjunction with the FDIC. This program even has a name.
	Operation Choke Point is designed to force legally operating and licensed entities out of business by choking them off from financial services they need.
	And what started with non-depository lenders is spreading to other industries.
	Many reports indicate that DOJ is now pressuring financial institutions that service the gun and ammunition industries.
	As a former bank examiner and banker, I know how they are using the power of their position to intimidate the banks and undermine the banks' ability to serve their customers who are doing a legal business.
	It's just plain wrong, Mr.
	Chairman.
	However, I want to be very clear.
	I strongly support DOJ's authority to go after the bad actors.
	Those actions should be commended and should not be inhibited.
	But what cannot be tolerated is the federal government using its authority to broadly target entire industries, including those that obey the law and are living within the rules.
	The staff report just released from the Oversight Committee summarizes 853 pages of internal DOJ documents.
	Many of these internal documents show that even DOJ officials questioned the legality of their actions, and yet they continued.
	This isn't a Republican or Democrat issue.
	This isn't a conservative or liberal issue.
	This is an issue of DOJ stepping outside the law.
	We've worked on a bipartisan basis to inform DOJ and other regulators of the unintended consequences of Operation Chokepoint.
	But those concerns have fallen on deaf ears.
	As a result, this bipartisan amendment is an important step to ensuring that DOJ can continue to do its job, but makes it clear that the Department must not abuse its authorities.
	And with that, Mr.
	Speaker, I yield two minutes to my good friend from Colorado, Mr.
	Perlmutter.
	Yeah, I'd also heard that it was also spreading to the gun and ammo industry, which is probably more what it's about than anything.
	Well, that's when it got everybody's attention, because those guys have some chops.
	I mean, marijuana growers don't.
	Do we know who instigated?
	Is it just the Department of Justice that instigated this?
	Holder, yeah.
	This is an example of law enforcement laziness.
	This is the donut phenomenon.
	They're always looking for donuts.
	Red lights and sirens.
	Every time one goes by, I always say, yeah, let's go.
	He's got lunch.
	Lunch is still warm.
	Instead of really doing law enforcement, they decide to cheat.
	This is cheating.
	This is what they enjoy doing.
	That's why the NSA is in bed with them, because it's a cheat.
	It's a cheat way of, you know, why should we have to go through the trouble and rigmarole of actually doing our jobs if we can cheat and get away with it and get the results we're after.
	We want to get rid of these porn girls.
	Marijuana is horrible.
	It's going to ruin the country.
	Guns are killing people.
	Right, but the difference is that, law enforcement or not, webcam girls are not necessarily operating illegally, nor are arms dealers.
	And neither is payday loans.
	That's another problem, and that has to be resolved through legislation or something else.
	You can't just do this.
	I mean, even the payday loans thing, as bad as it is, it's a horrible operation.
	You can't bust them by choking them off like this.
	This is totally illegal.
	So here we go.
	The guy from Colorado comes up, never mentions marijuana, which is what he's really talking about, because that's the problem that these states are having, Colorado, Russia.
	And he comes up, and he's the Democrat.
	This was a Republican amendment.
	The Democrat comes up.
	So he comes up and says this.
	Jim was recognized for two minutes.
	Thank you, Mr.
	Chairman.
	Thank you, Mr.
	Luke Temeier.
	I just have to say, Temeier in Dutch actually is a slang word for hooker.
	Well, actually, that's not what the name is, though.
	It's Luke Temeier, I think.
	But they sound like Temeier.
	Yeah.
	I'm sorry.
	That's funny.
	I supported the original intent of Operation Choke Point which sought to restrict online payday lenders, usually operating from overseas, from lending to states that prohibit payday lending.
	But the program expanded and is now being pushed well beyond its stated objective.
	Eliminating fraud and illegal transactions from our nation's payment system should continue to be a priority for the Department of Justice and other federal regulators, but employing a dragnet to companies engaged in legitimate business activities is wrong.
	State banking commissioners have also expressed concerns the federal agencies are attempting to deny essential banking services to lawful state-licensed firms.
	Operation Chokepoint pressures banks to close accounts and stop processing payments for those businesses that pose a reputational risk.
	What is happening here is this approach, this dragnet approach, causes chilling effect on legitimate businesses and legitimate banking services.
	And as a consequence, going after bad guys, the Department of Justice needs to do that, but not in such a broad, all-inclusive way to chill legitimate business.
	And that's why I support this amendment and ask for an aye vote, and I yield back to the gentleman from Missouri.
	I guess the main question I have is, did the amendment pass?
	Well, we'll get to that in the third part of the clip, the last clip.
	Now, I want to point out something.
	The FBI, this would make sense from a historical perspective and a corporate culture perspective.
	If you remember, the FBI was largely formed during the Prohibition era to crack down on bootleggers.
	And the only way they could get Al Capone is not through actual law enforcement.
	No, it was on tax evasion.
	It was on tax evasion, which was a cheap...
	It was pre-RICO. It was just tax evasion, plain tax evasion.
	It was a cheap trick because, and I think that's in their DNA. In their DNA. It's a cheap trick.
	And that's what they're trying to do with these things they don't like.
	You know, the FBI doesn't like the legalization of marijuana in Colorado and Washington.
	So let's use a cheap trick to make their lives miserable.
	Tell me about the sexuality.
	It's in your DNA. So here's the third part.
	Now, we have two douchebags who come out.
	I want to call the both of them out.
	They say, ah, we don't want to pass this.
	Maybe we should do it some other way.
	One is Frank Wolf from Virginia, a Republican.
	A total douchebag.
	And then there's this guy, Chaka Fada.
	Douchebag!
	Black guy who sounds drunk all the time.
	He's a Pennsylvania Democrat, and he thinks it sucks to have this bill passing now or have this amendment.
	So here we go.
	Gentlemen in the old bag, gentlemen from Missouri.
	Yes, with that, Mr.
	Chairman, I just want to close by saying I appreciate the gentleman from Colorado's support.
	This is an agency that's gone well beyond the scope of its authority.
	It even questions its own authority and its own internal memos.
	The original intent is questionable, but at this point it's gone well beyond even the original intent.
	There now is even a list of other industries to go after.
	So I think that this is a situation where we need to stop what's going on, and I think my amendment clearly sets out what needs to be done.
	With that, I yield back the balance of my time.
	The gentleman yields back the balance of time.
	The gentleman from Virginia.
	I strike the requisite number of words.
	The gentleman was recognized for five minutes.
	I rise in opposition to the amendment.
	Consumer and financial fraud are major crimes in the country, and fraud investigations are a matter of high priority for the FBI. And...
	You know, I just think this issue ought to be addressed by the Committee of Jurisdictions.
	In this case, the Judiciary Committee, also the Financial Services Committee.
	We do hear stories of, outside of military bases, veterans being exploited.
	And so I'm just concerned of what it actually means, and I think it ought to be looked at by the Committee of Jurisdictions and not by the Appropriations Committee at 11.15 at night.
	So for that reason...
	I oppose the amendment.
	The gentleman yields back.
	I yield back.
	The gentleman yields back.
	The gentleman from Pennsylvania.
	It may be an appropriate move, but not in our bill, not at this time, because we don't completely understand it.
	The gentleman yields back.
	The gentleman from Missouri.
	The gentleman's yield is back this time.
	All time expired.
	The questions on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Missouri.
	All those in favor say aye.
	Aye.
	All those say no.
	Depending on the chair, the ayes have it, and the amendment is agreed to.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, now I'm betting even money that this will not end up in the final write-up.
	Oh, that's possible.
	They'll pull it out.
	And this was the, I think, because I saw some of the same, it was a very long session they did.
	Oh, yeah.
	Like I said, this was at 11.15 at night.
	Yeah, and wasn't this the 2015 Commerce Justice Budget Improvement Science Spending Bill?
	Yeah, exactly.
	So the Justice Department is in there, so they could put that in there, but the old FBI obeys anything is...
	Well, there was another amendment that was put in and passed, and I have the reading of that amendment.
	Amendment number 100 entered by Grayson, who...
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	You've got it set up.
	I think...
	I just got a short...
	I got the first part of Grayson's thing, and then I have the second part where they...
	Again, this guy, Fata Chaka, whatever his name is.
	Chaka Khan.
	Chaka Khan from Pennsylvania comes out and blabs about it.
	But yeah, you can play...
	Mine's pretty short, so maybe it'll be...
	I have an amendment at the desk, Grayson number 100.
	The clerk will report the amendment.
	Following this, we'll do the other 99.
	Just kidding.
	Just kidding.
	J.K., J.K. Amendment offered by Mr.
	Grayson.
	When you make a joke and I say, just kidding, and then mumble?
	That's the hallmark of a bad joke, everybody.
	Just kidding.
	Amendment offered by Mr.
	Grayson of Florida.
	At the end of the bill, before the short title, add the following new section.
	Section.
	None of the funds made available by this act may be used to compel a journalist or reporter to testify about information or sources that the journalist or reporter states in a motion to quash the subpoena that had Thank you.
	Pursuant to the order of the House today, the gentleman from Florida and a member opposed, each control five minutes.
	Chair recognizes the gentleman from Florida.
	I regret bringing this up at 10.30 at night.
	I apologize for that because this is a weighty matter and I think it deserves fair consideration.
	I hope that we're not all too tired to deny this question the attention that it deserves.
	The purpose of this amendment is to raise the possibility of a federal shield law that corresponds to the shield law already in place in 49 states, but not at the level of the federal government.
	So it's very simple to understand how this works, because it is essentially approving the entire budget for the justice system, that no money, i.e.
	no one in the justice system can go after journalists for their sources.
	That essentially is the idea of the amendment.
	That's the idea.
	I want to do an aside.
	High school!
	High school, everybody!
	Three months of college!
	I want to mention something interesting.
	Alan Grayson, if you remember, even when we first started doing the show, was the enfant terrible.
	He's a little douchey, though.
	He's not a big fan.
	Democrat Party years ago.
	He was always on this and that.
	He had one-liners and snide comments, and he was really funny.
	And something happened.
	And I don't know if he's put in his place or whatever.
	He doesn't say anything anymore.
	And he looks like crap.
	Like he was beat up.
	He's got a weird balding pattern on his head, which is obviously nerves.
	Well, it can be thyroid or it can be something else.
	Yeah, it could be nerves.
	True.
	Whatever the case, he's not the same guy he was.
	So he introduces the simple bill, which we know is different than the one they've been trying to get through, which is more complicated.
	Well, of course, the amendment, and I went in and looked, and I got the exact text of the amendment, which is exactly what the clerk read.
	Of course, the question is, what is your definition of a journalist?
	That's what we're most interested in.
	That is not defined by this amendment.
	Right.
	This would not get very far.
	But meanwhile, these same douchebags, especially this joker Chaka Fata...
	Chaka Khan.
	...who's in there, and he's...
	I don't think so.
	This is not the place to do this.
	I mean, anything to just...
	I have another clip from him later that just shows you what a tall douchebag he is.
	So he comes out and objects to this, and then we get the very interesting little ending to the vote.
	It's time to vote on this.
	After 42 years since the Supreme Court first addressed this, we do not have this body on record as saying whether or not there should be a federal shield law.
	I understand the reservations that have been expressed, but the fact is the time is now.
	And that the reporters in this country have waited long enough.
	It's time to be fair and show fealty to the First Amendment and to pass this amendment tonight.
	Gentleman yields back?
	Yes.
	Gentleman yields back.
	The question is on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Florida.
	Those in favor say aye.
	Aye.
	Those opposed say no.
	No.
	In the opinion of the chairs, the no has it.
	The amendment is not agreed to.
	I asked for a recorded vote.
	Yeah.
	Pursuant to Clause 6 of Rule 18, further proceedings on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Florida will be postponed.
	It passed, though.
	No, no, it didn't pass.
	It did pass under the recorded vote.
	John, did they finally do the postponed recorded vote?
	Because that was on Wednesday.
	I have it here.
	Oh, it did pass.
	Yeah, I have it here.
	225 yeas to 183 nays.
	Oh, good.
	I didn't know that.
	But I know they're right there, they put it off.
	And they put a lot of these off.
	And I think this actually, I thought it was kind of corny, but they did have for both sides.
	They said, we'll postpone.
	It's for the bigger group to vote on.
	And I thought there was actually a way to move it along, because there's nothing more annoying than the guys, you know, they do a yay-nay vote, and somebody says, I'd like to see a recorded vote, and then they just waste time Doing a recorded vote when they can put it off when there's even more people there.
	So I thought it was a good thing.
	But anyway, so this joker, the guy that bugs me.
	Chaka Khan.
	Chaka Khan.
	He was, they start talking about, did you see the internet amendment?
	Uh, yeah, that's about no, you can't, no money to be spent blocking ICANN or INAA? No money to be spent, you know, this year they're supposed to move some of the governance to an international body, we talked about on the show a couple of times.
	And so somebody, one of the guys comes up and says, actually two Republicans come up and say, we don't think that we should spend any money on this.
	In other words, stalling the process, which is what Icon would like, I'm sure.
	And this guy comes out and he goes into a tirade that is borderline Ted Stevens.
	A series of tubes?
	Of the internet.
	This is, what I have is House Vote 9 managing internet domain names.
	Do you have the reading of the bill?
	I can read it.
	Of the amendment?
	I can read it real quick.
	You can.
	The amendment would bar funding to end the National Telecommunications and Information Administration's responsibility for administering the Internet Domain Name System.
	And that's it.
	Yeah, so these are short.
	No, we can just skip.
	Let's just assume that we know all that first part.
	You can skip that clip and go to the Internet Amendment idiot clip where this guy goes on and he blames it all on the Republicans and, you know, the Republicans and Obama.
	No.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	That's not who's to blame.
	Koch brothers!
	The administration has botched consultations over the transition of the duties at the NTIA. We cannot allow countries to use their influence to stifle speech and commerce on the Internet.
	This amendment will give us more time to ensure we get this right.
	I yield back.
	The gentleman's time from Wisconsin has expired.
	And for our purposes, the gentleman from Pennsylvania, you rise.
	I can't wait.
	I rise in opposition to this amendment.
	Recognize.
	Five minutes.
	The process that the gentleman seeks to intervene in with this amendment started some 16 years ago.
	No.
	And I like the congressional record to reflect this, that apparently if a presidential election doesn't go in the right direction, the other team's notion is to yank all of the authority away from the person who did win.
	Unfortunately, in our democracy, it doesn't work like that.
	So when they're not calling for some...
	By the way, why does he say unfortunately?
	Because he'd like to do that?
	Is that what he's saying?
	It's like, unfortunately it doesn't work that way?
	I wish we could yank all that.
	Remember the cabinet to resign or doing something else to intervene in the president's authority.
	They have these theories.
	Well, this new theory is that Obama has concocted some strategy to turn over the internet to our enemies.
	This is a process that started 16 years ago.
	Yeah!
	The commie is trying to get the internet to the other commies!
	That's what it's all about!
	And through the Bush administration, the Clinton administration, it is a process having to do with what we might want to call the yellow pages for the internet.
	I have the internet yellow pages book, the official new Riders Official Internet Yellow Pages.
	Published by NRP. Yeah.
	And that was in 1990, I think.
	No, no.
	It would be 90 by 93.
	94.
	Well, hold on a second.
	I got it right here.
	I'm reading from the cover.
	If you haven't realized what the internet has to offer, you will now.
	MCI's sole corporate sponsor.
	As easy to use as the phone book with over 10,000 entries.
	Let's look in the...
	Let me see here.
	Use MCI mail to take your inspired idea to the internet.
	Test your message with virtual global focus group.
	Wow.
	Okay, the year was...
	I'm looking in the front here...
	Oh, 94.
	Yeah.
	Later than I thought.
	Okay.
	Nailed it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Nailed.
	93.
	Nailed it.
	The reason I knew that is because there was a huge controversy over that book and another Yellow Pages book.
	They were both titled the same.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	McGraw-Hill had the other one.
	And I was working for them at the time, and it was about 94, and they were whining, and they went, why are some columns about this ridiculous situation?
	But the problem is that people don't know that titles of books are not copyrightable.
	I didn't know that.
	So you could actually have the same title, you know, Warren Peace by Adam Curry.
	But I think the Yellow Pages in general is such a protected brand that it was more just about the Yellow Pages.
	Because people were really worried.
	They thought that there would be a business in the Yellow Pages.
	Yeah, well, anyway, there was a huge controversy about this book, about the two of them, and they were competing with each other.
	The new writer's one was more successful.
	It's going to be worth money one day, this book.
	No.
	Yes.
	Onward.
	Yes, my grandchildren will say, Grandpa!
	Grandpa Adam!
	Here's my opinion.
	I've said this to the kids.
	If you started collecting real Yellow Pages books about 1950 or 60 or 70 or whenever and you just kept them all...
	You'd be a hundredaire.
	A big pile of them.
	These things will be valuable because people have thrown out all the...
	Most of the books have been thrown out.
	There's very few yellow...
	How many people do you know would have, except an archivist, would have a...
	I don't have one, by the way, but would have a copy of the 1982 San Francisco Bay Area...
	But this is my point.
	Well, hold on a second.
	Having a copy of the 1994 Internet Yellow Pages?
	Come on!
	It's a ridiculous concept!
	No, it's totally ridiculous.
	I think it'll be worth something.
	Well, it'll be a car payment.
	Oh, maybe not.
	It won't be a car payment.
	Main names and how people can create their addresses on the internet.
	Yeah, that's it.
	Wow, this guy is fabulous.
	Is this Chaka Khan again?
	Yeah, this is this guy.
	He's just a bonehead.
	How do you create something?
	You should be ashamed of yourself.
	And the theory of the internet was they have no government in control.
	Government.
	In control.
	Is that the theory of the internet?
	That's the theory of the internet.
	Have no government in control.
	I hate to be mocking a black voice, but come on, Chaka Khan.
	This sucks.
	The Chamber of Commerce in the United States of America has been one of the major proponents of this.
	I don't think this would be true, by the way.
	Ah.
	I don't know if the...
	The Chamber of Commerce really still owns the system.
	If you really look at the ownership structure.
	I've gotten a lot of notes from guys at RIPE and the ANAL or whatever.
	And it's a little more complicated than most people understand.
	But the Department of Commerce still has a big hand in this.
	But I'm not sure if they actually do want to...
	Well, the Department of Commerce isn't the Chamber of Commerce.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	He said Chamber of Commerce?
	Yeah.
	Oh, moron.
	No.
	And I don't believe that anyone on the other team would suggest that somehow...
	What team?
	Republicans.
	That's a team now?
	Yes, a team.
	Team?
	They have concocted this scheme with the president to have us empower the Syrians of someone with control of the internet.
	All right, hold on.
	Hold on a second.
	Stop all trains before we go one step further.
	I need to give it to you.
	The Syrians will have control of the internet.
	I gotta hear that again.
	This is your government at work, ladies and gentlemen.
	This is beautiful.
	To have us in power.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Where was that guy?
	Give it back to us.
	And I don't believe that anyone on the other team would suggest that somehow they are they have concocted this scheme with the president to to have us in power.
	The Syrians are someone with control of the Internet.
	It's like you got to be told.
	I got to take it in for a moment.
	The Syrians would be in control of the Internet.
	Muhammad!
	Put away that chlorine gas!
	We've got to add some domain names!
	Anyway, that's as far as you need to go.
	Wait, is there more or not?
	That's pretty much Peaks.
	The guy is incoherent.
	I love it.
	That's pretty funny.
	What a douche knuckle!
	Oh my word.
	So I don't know whether that happened or not.
	Because that same thing happened, only he objected and wanted to count, and they said, nah, we'll put it off.
	Probably when they did the other one, they did this one.
	So I don't know how it came out.
	That team thing that he said is also very peculiar.
	Yeah, the other team.
	I find the guy to be a very...
	He's just not a good representative of any...
	What state does he represent?
	Pennsylvania!
	Good on you, P.A. It is, of course, the start of a new month, John.
	That means we have a slew of proclamations from our president.
	You know what's funny is I actually, one of these things is so important, I have to go look at it, that it showed up automatically on my Google calendar.
	Oh?
	Yeah, let me take a look at this.
	Well, I know which one it is, then.
	No, you don't.
	Yeah, I do.
	You think?
	Yeah.
	Well, let me read them off, and then you tell me when I hit it.
	Wait, I just want to do this first, because I want you to guess what it is.
	It showed up automatically on your Google Calendar, so Google is adding things to your calendar?
	That's not appropriate.
	Okay, you'll never guess this in a million years, and it's got nothing to do with Obama.
	It's Canadian Environment Week.
	Well, it's not by presidential proclamation, so it doesn't count.
	No, it's like my whole calendar's got a big line through it that says Canadian Environment Week.
	I didn't subscribe to this.
	Now, you have subscribed to holidays, but that's not a holiday.
	I find that to be quite a gross violation.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, what's next?
	What's next?
	Yeah, what's next?
	It's next on my calendar.
	Hold on, I want to tell you something.
	I, uh, ow, oops.
	That was almost a disastrous move.
	I have the Nexus 7 tablet here.
	Yeah, keep talking about it.
	Yeah, I kind of like it.
	Okay.
	And here is, so I was, you know, it said, oh, you have to upgrade a couple of apps, right?
	Yeah.
	And I went into Google Calendar.
	I'm doing it now.
	I hit Update.
	And it gives you this list of permissions that you're going to give this app.
	And this is the Google Calendar, which...
	I use Google Calendar, not on this tablet, but I said, oh, I might as well just install it.
	And I look at the permissions.
	And I presume that you cannot change these permissions of the app.
	So new to the permission is approximate location.
	I know why it's doing this, obviously.
	That's for Google now, which I do not use.
	So approximate location, which I presume unless I turn off all location, and then it's even questionable if you're really turning it off.
	System tools, write subscribed feeds, whatever that means.
	Network communication, full network access, your personal information.
	Add or modify calendar events and send email to guests without owner's knowledge.
	Read calendar events plus confidential information.
	Well, no!
	No!
	What app is this?
	This is Google Calendar app.
	And then your social information.
	Read your contacts.
	Well, no.
	I understand they need it maybe to invite people, but no.
	No.
	Your accounts.
	Find accounts on the device.
	Read Google service configuration.
	And view configured accounts.
	I don't know what that means, but...
	You know, modifying and adding calendar events and sending email to guests without my knowledge?
	No!
	No!
	I didn't know that was there.
	So Google Calendar, you're telling me, based on you actually doing some work when you get one of these screens instead of just saying, yeah, I'm annoying like that.
	So you actually looked at this and you've discovered...
	Tell me if I'm wrong here.
	I don't know if it's a big discovery, but...
	Well, you've discovered for yourself...
	That Google wants to send unsolicited email to your contact list?
	Well, it's not saying that...
	And you're approving it?
	It's not saying it wants to, but the way I read this...
	Well, that's what it sounds like to me.
	The way I read this, it is possible they could do this.
	That stinks.
	So it could say, would you like to celebrate Canadian Awareness Month with John C. Dvorak?
	Meet him here.
	And I certainly don't like the find approximate location.
	No, well, I only use Google Calendar on the computer.
	Yeah, that's where I use it.
	I keep no contact lists on it.
	But my phone...
	So I was just kind of thinking, when this hit me, I was like, what happened to just giving me a calendar?
	Just a calendar that I can just, like, you know, store entries in.
	A calendar.
	I don't need you to do all this.
	A calendar.
	Which, of course, exists.
	I mean, it's not hard.
	We don't need to use Google Calendar.
	You can put something on a web server somewhere and use your own calendar.
	And most people, you know, you can install it.
	Every app.
	This is my problem with these apps.
	Every app.
	Yeah, they've had it for a while.
	Go into Terminal and type C-A-L. Every app has to have all this back-end stuff.
	I was doing some work Because I was complaining about dog catcher.
	Dog poop, as I call it.
	And a lot of people give me different ideas about apps that you could use for subscribing to podcasts.
	And there's a ton of them.
	I think I put them in the last show notes, and you can root through that and find it at 621.com.
	But I tried out, because I got an email for some reason, you never know if people subscribe me to this or not, I got an email from the CEO of Stitcher Radio.
	And Stitcher Radio has now moved over to, they're doing their ad placement through Google, because there are a lot of complaints, and I'm like, what are these complaints?
	Well, the main complaints are, and I didn't know this, If you start a podcast like our podcast, you'll hear an ad first, an audio ad.
	If you stop it somewhere midway and then you start it again, instead of starting immediately, you hear another ad.
	Now, I find it dubious at best...
	That they're taking our otherwise freely available non-commercial content and inserting ads to pay for their app.
	I'm not going to complain about it, whatever.
	I find it annoying, and I'm sure people will find it annoying.
	But that's not really the point of why I'm bringing this up.
	So I install this just to see the experience.
	And it opens up, and I say, hey, wow, no agendas here, and congressional dish.
	And I'm like...
	How does this work?
	And then it turns out, this app, when I installed it, I gave it permission to look at other preferences of other apps, and it stole my list from Dog Catcher.
	You know, so, is this the kind of stuff, so you may be granting an app privileges to something that you think is actually private?
	You understand what I'm saying?
	Yeah, duh.
	And so what happened to just an app that just does something and doesn't have to communicate secretly on the back end?
	This is the problem with tech.
	All of that stuff is like, come on.
	This has been scammed.
	The promises are all over.
	The revolution is done.
	It's Facebook.
	The revolution is done.
	It wasn't televised.
	We barely even got to write about it.
	The revolution is done.
	The revolution is over.
	All right.
	Very depressing.
	Yes, somewhat.
	The story comes out, this story of yours, I mean, if you listen to a bunch of these other guys, yeah, they're all just, oh, everything's great, we got a new phone, and it's yellow.
	You get that, but anyone with any sense knows that this is just horrible what's going on.
	It's just very negative.
	Yellow phones notwithstanding.
	Yellow phone?
	What are you talking about?
	Oh, your phone's a new phone.
	Oh, it's yellow.
	He's got a new phone.
	It's yellow.
	You mean actually the color yellow.
	Okay.
	Yellow phone.
	To me, it's just, wow, this is just disturbing.
	There's no reason for all this.
	It looks good.
	They fling it at these idiot venture capitalists who are looking for this sort of thing.
	You haven't got enough social.
	Can you get more social in this?
	Yeah, we got social by stealing the guy's mailing list.
	That's good.
	You stole the mailing list.
	That's great.
	Well, anyway, onward.
	By presidential proclamation, this is African American Music Appreciation Month, John.
	Okay, I'm in on that.
	And I'm not quite sure what that is.
	African American music.
	I don't know.
	Is it rhythm and blues?
	Let me see.
	I'm going to read what the president said.
	For centuries, African American music has lifted the voices of those whose poetry is born from struggle.
	As generations of slaves toiled in the most brutal of conditions, they joined their voices in faithful chords.
	Why don't you just say gospel?
	Okay, that sounds like gospel.
	Both captured the depths of their sorrow and wove visions of a brighter day.
	That's gospel?
	At a time when dance floors were divided, rhythm and blues and rock and roll helped bring us together.
	So is rock and roll black African-American music?
	That doesn't seem so to me.
	I think it really stems more from the rockabilly era, white music.
	And then, of course, you had...
	Of course, Elvis was doing black songs.
	That's how he was perceived.
	Yeah, and you had Chuck Berry complaining bitterly to...
	Forever.
	He was the king of rock and roll, and he did rock and roll, and he definitely did rock and roll.
	The Rolling Stones would make the same complaint.
	I would say that this is more like Lead Belly and guys like this.
	That's what I would say.
	Blues, Rhythm and Blues, and Gossip.
	The real deal.
	And as activists marched for their civil rights, they faced hatred with song.
	Theirs was a movement with a soundtrack.
	Spirituals that fed their souls in protest, songs that sharpened their desire to right the great wrongs of their time.
	The influence of African American artists resounds each day through symphony halls, church sanctuaries, music studios, and vast arenas.
	It fills us with inspiration and calls us to action.
	This month, as we honor the history of African American music, let it continue to give us hope and carry us forward as one people and one nation.
	All right.
	They'll have a nice concert, I'm sure, at the White House.
	It's also, by presidential proclamation, National Caribbean or Caribbean American Heritage Month.
	Huh, they got music too.
	They do.
	Well, that's part of their heritage.
	It's also a time, says the President, to renew our friendship with our Caribbean neighbors, with whom we share both an ocean and a history.
	To this end, the United States is expanding cooperation with our Caribbean partners.
	Is it Caribbean or Caribbean?
	I think it's Caribbean.
	I think if you looked it up, you'd find both pronunciations to be accurate.
	Well, you spell it with one R and two Bs.
	So I think it would be Caribbean.
	I still think it's pronounced both ways.
	Caribbean and Caribbean.
	I'll look it up while you're yakking.
	As America celebrates our Caribbean Caribbean heritage, Cararibian, it's Cararibian.
	That's how I'm going to say it.
	There you go.
	Cararibian.
	Let us hold fast to the spirit that makes our country a beacon to the world.
	This month, let us remember we are always at our best when we focus not on what we can tear down, but on what we can build up.
	And together, let us strengthen the bonds that hold together the most diverse nation on earth.
	All right.
	Very nice.
	It is also this month, by presidential proclamation, Great Outdoors Month 2014.
	This month, as we enjoy the splendor of our nation, let us stay true to a uniquely American idea that each of us has an equal stake in the land around us and an equal responsibility to protect it.
	Caribbean is used by the US, and Caribbean, also a good pronunciation, is used by the British.
	Caribbean.
	There you go.
	Of course, it really is an important month, and I'm not mocking this, but I just always find it funny.
	We have to have a month.
	I think pretty much the presidential proclamation for this month is a joke anyway.
	And how can it be Great Outdoors Month?
	Why do they even continue this practice?
	Because it's a PR thing.
	So you can have the president saying something, and then you can post that, and then you can move off with your PR campaign.
	But I feel, why would you have to share?
	Is African American Music Appreciation Month, why does that have to share with the great outdoors?
	Why can't the great outdoors have its own month, and African American Music have its own month, not have to share?
	Because there's too many things that need to be promoted.
	Yeah, that need to be promoted.
	Well, we're a country of promotion.
	Come on.
	Well, I feel slighted by this presidential proclamation, this one I'm about to share with you, because I feel that I should be listed in the acronym, and I'm not.
	As it is officially by presidential proclamation, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month.
	And I would like to ask, where are the queers?
	Where are the bi-curious?
	Where are the asexuals, the pansexuals, the allied?
	Allied, right, that's everybody.
	LGBTQQIAAP. Yeah, no, this is very inclusive.
	This is not good.
	No, I think I've been excluded.
	Yeah, you've been excluded.
	I don't like it.
	And this, you will see lots of...
	It's an affront.
	I'm sorry?
	An affront.
	Obama just picking out a few of those letters.
	Yeah.
	It's an affront.
	Well, I don't like it.
	It is also by presidential proclamation.
	He's in there.
	He figures that's fine.
	Sorry.
	Go on.
	Keep talking.
	I'm just kibitzing.
	It is also National Oceans Month.
	I guess we're going to use that to talk about how the Chinese are invading Vietnamese space or something.
	We're going to talk about global warming.
	Americans look to the oceans as national treasures.
	Yeah, they're going to be bigger treasures because the sea level is rising.
	A source of food and energy.
	A foundation for our way of life.
	Our oceans, coasts, and Great Lakes provide jobs and attract tourism.
	They provide a habitat for scores of species.
	They are vital to our nation's transportation, economy, and trade, linking us with countries across the globe and playing a role in our national security.
	This month, we reaffirm our responsibility to keep our oceans and coastal ecosystems healthy and resilient.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	And with that, I think I just have to thank you for your courage.
	Thank you for your courage, Mr.
	Adam Curry.
	And in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak!
	Well, in the morning to you, and in the morning to all ships at sea.
	Boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water.
	And all the dames and knights out there.
	And, of course, everyone in the chat room, noagendastream.com, noagendachat.net.
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	Okay, we do have a few executive producers to thank for show 622 who came in here, including our buddy Sir David Foley, the Archduke of Silicon Valley and points beyond.
	He's going for his Grand Dukedom this year.
	Yeah, he is.
	I think he's going to make it to the way he's headed.
	And he'll be a 622 Club member, of course.
	Yeah, 622.33.
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	Thanks for your courage in producing the best podcast in the universe.
	And then at $500, our Santa Rosa staff sergeant and veteran of Afghanistan, whose note we read earlier came in with $5,500.
	Then Sir Dwayne Melanson.
	Ah, good to see him back.
	Duke of Mystery in Tigard, Oregon, which I like to pronounce Tigard.
	I passed through there.
	I think I mentioned this before when I was up there and floating around Salem.
	$333.33.
	ITM gentlemen, the Duke of Mystery here.
	You have been doing a fantastic job lately, the Japan Field Reports in particular.
	Thank you.
	And I felt overdue in my obligation as a producer of the best podcast in the universe.
	I continued to spread the formula when I find receptive people.
	And I found that many of the theories are well received in Europe and Great Britain.
	particularly the ones involving oil, gas and the Chinese transportation infrastructure that is growing so quickly.
	More and more of my friends and family are asking me, where does the money lead in this story?
	They notice media memes that don't make sense.
	Your service is greatly needed in today's world.
	I salute you!
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	We salute you back.
	He mentions a bar in San Francisco I should check out, which is called Bar 333.
	He wants to bring back the club?
	Yeah, everybody wants to bring back the club.
	Mark Lepkola in Madison Heights, Michigan.
	I would say Lepkola.
	I guess you're right.
	Lepkola?
	Yeah, that's what I'm getting.
	Lepkola, yeah.
	3333 in Madison Heights, Michigan.
	He sent in a note.
	Handwritten.
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	Hold on a second.
	As it turns out, I'm supposed to be eating the opposite.
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	Which is, grains are a real problem.
	In general.
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	After losing 40 pounds and dumping three quarters of the drugs, I felt great and I'm thinking clearer than ever.
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	Keep speaking the truth to power and thank you for your courage.
	Mark Lapicola.
	Oh, there's an I in there that I guess.
	Ah, okay.
	There you go.
	Okay, Lapicola, which is Italian for the small.
	No comments.
	You're wondering.
	Nice.
	And he's sorry.
	He was on the Detroit area and he missed the Detroit Ruins tour, which is too bad.
	We came, we saw, he died.
	You've been de-douched.
	You've got karma.
	There we go.
	And onward?
	You ask, we spin.
	Sir Pate Schnakes, Baron of Holland and Frieslander.
	Do you mind if I just call you back on the Skype for a moment?
	Because every single time I say something, it kind of suppresses you for half a second.
	Oh, okay.
	I don't even have to really ask, but I'll just hang up and call back, and we can go real quick.
	It should work really fast.
	There we go.
	I was getting a little bit...
	Were you getting some fluff, too?
	I was getting, no, it was different.
	The way it worked with me, I would say something.
	If you're like playing a clip, and I talked over it as a duplex, it would suppress, it wouldn't take it out, it would just lower the volume, and then the volume would come up slowly.
	Yeah, okay.
	Do you have your box unchecked?
	Everything is, I don't know, I think that could be it.
	Check your boxes.
	Let me guess.
	Nope.
	They're fine.
	Well, it seems to work now, so we're good.
	Onward to Pisser, Pate Snakes, Baron of Holland, and Friesland.
	Friesland Boppa!
	If you can say that, you'll make them very happy.
	What, Friesland Boppa?
	Boppa.
	Boppa?
	Yeah.
	Friesland Boppa?
	There you go.
	That makes him happy.
	Yeah.
	He's very easily amused.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	He came in at 23456.
	Nice.
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	Sir Brian Ferguson, baronet of...
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	Foothill Ranch, California, 23333.
	Baronet Bryan here.
	Have not donated for a while.
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	Please give me some freelance production karma, and I'd like a Sharpton in any form you have.
	He is a hoot.
	Love the recent show.
	So, CO2 emissions are so worrisome that the climate change folks, to the climate change folks, why don't they eliminate soda beverages?
	By the way, I brought this up with them, and the reason is...
	So, this is not an argument you want to use, because supposedly, the CO2 is taken out of the air...
	And put in the soda and it just goes back into the air so it's a zero-sum game.
	It's net zero.
	So that's why.
	Okay?
	Anyway, so he'll take the karma and the...
	Anything from Sharpton?
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	We must and we will much about that be committed.
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	You get most of it.
	There's a couple things that are truly visual gags, but it's worth playing.
	And we will much...
	About that, be committed.
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	Michael Druniski, Druniac, including Lincoln himself, Daniel Days-Lewis.
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	Allison Lundgren-Grimes.
	Gina DeJesus.
	You and Gina DeJesus.
	Tea Party challenger, Matt Bivitt.
	People don't want to have their social security overall.
	The Republican savior, Mark Rubio's big night in evolution and Galileo.
	I mean, this whole thing of Galileo.
	America's changed, uh, changed.
	Unless, uh, IT and skillets, President Putin doing something similar back in...
	It won't change this fundamental fact about...
	The GOP. Just how absurd these attacks is.
	Nearly six months after the dangerous traffic jam.
	The Thai military says, my friend for many years.
	And now he's just looking in the camera and he's on and then he says, there's nothing there.
	There's nothing there.
	My friend and he can't pronounce his name?
	I don't know what to say.
	Yeah, no, it's ridiculous.
	It's better when you see the visuals.
	Look at it.
	It's genius, I tell you.
	Onward.
	Yeah, I know.
	This, to me, I can't imagine what Chris Matthews, I believe, follows him.
	You know, I figured this out.
	I mean, it's obvious that his whole business model is built upon shaking people down.
	So he's got something on MSNBC. Yeah, no, obviously.
	He's got something on him.
	There's no other reason he should be on the air.
	He is not broadcast qualified.
	He's not licensed properly.
	He's not licensed.
	He's an idiot.
	I don't know about that, but he certainly can't read teleprompter.
	I.T. and Skittles.
	That's my favorite.
	And that latest thing when he lost all that weight and he's got this huge head and this very funny little petite male body.
	It's just like, wow, he's creepy looking.
	When he says I.T. and Skittles.
	Yeah, I.T. and...
	No, it was I.T. and...
	Skillets.
	I.T. and Skillets.
	Skillets.
	I can't even say it as stupid as he says it.
	When it's supposed to be I.T. and Skittles.
	I.T. and Skillets.
	Really?
	And that's like...
	That's dyslexia to the max.
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	I couldn't afford the 622 Club as I prefer to go on mac and cheese.
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	And then finally, Anonymous from...
	Richland, Washington, 216-14.
	Forget the two.
	This donation is meant to be relevant.
	1-6-14.
	If you're John 2-1-6, it goes 14.
	A little numerology you have to think about.
	In the morning, guys, I love the show.
	My friend Jerry, a boner who's already been called out, hit me in the face just over a year ago.
	Can't stop listening since.
	Two or three episodes ago, you had a letter about how atrocious your show is and how a listener could no longer stand to listen.
	His letter literally sounded like the front page of Reddit, all on science, global warming, pro net neutrality, just from my own assumptions.
	It would most likely give Neil deGrasse Tyson a BJ.
	Quite a bit of the Reddit community is also all in on Pocahontas train, too.
	Most of my friends from the area I live in, Tri-Cities, Eastern Washington, are the same mindset.
	You guys pick apart most of these scientists' arguments or even better debunk their science.
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	Ukraine hurting has been hindering the euro and the ruble.
	The professor, before I could even finish my thoughts, started to shout me down about NATO.
	an American interest In adding Ukraine to the EU roster and NATO itself, he proceeded on such a long rampage about the Cold War, the next day the professor decided to share the results from a map test we took.
	Somebody fucking missed Mexico.
	Then in my English class, we were talking about what kinds of arguments we could or could not use for a paper.
	The teacher decided to remind us that we're not supposed to do.
	Okay, anyway.
	So...
	Hey, it sounds like someone is on the ball.
	It's a ramble there, Timothy.
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	It sounds like these classes are a kick for any student that's got a clue.
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	If you're a general, you can put anything you want.
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	I'm sure this is done on occasion by some guys.
	You know, it's a little secret thing.
	Right, that's what I'm thinking.
	They do this with a tattoo more than they do it with a...
	Yeah, no, I don't recommend a no-agenda tattoo.
	I don't think that's a good idea.
	Yeah, I wouldn't either.
	They could get called out, I think.
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	Of course we have no hookers and blow here, but it's the principle that counts.
	And you allow us to continue to apparently watch a lot of C-SPAN, which we both did until deep in the night, watching the The 2015 Justice Science.
	And what was the other one?
	Oh, Justice Science.
	Well, it was the budget.
	It's really the budget for the police state.
	Yeah.
	We found it kind of important to look at the budget for the police state.
	We do that for you, and we do it with great pleasure.
	Of course, we always need you to continue to be out there everywhere propagating the formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out...
	We hit people in the mouth.
	Shut up, Flare.
	Shut up.
	The chat room is talking about Flare.
	Flare.
	Flair, yeah.
	Pieces of flair.
	How much flair are you wearing today?
	Very funny.
	Well, got a lot of feedback on our conversation about the NBC interview, Brian Williams with Edward Snowden.
	And I think the most obvious I received from a number of people where, I guess it was President Kerry, a president, oops!
	Wow, that slipped out.
	Wow.
	I don't know where that came from.
	No.
	That's not good.
	No, not at all.
	Secretary of State Kerry, I'm talking about Snowden violating his oath, although I recognize it in real life.
	I don't think either of us actually said it, but as a contractor, you don't take an oath.
	You sign NDAs.
	No, but if you're active.
	If you're active, if you work for an agency.
	If you're still working for the CIA. Then you take an oath, exactly.
	Well, that oath does not go away if you're with the CIA. You're always under that oath of non-disclosure.
	Right, it's a lifetime agreement.
	Some other interesting...
	Not to really take a job there.
	Some other interesting news came out, and this is something that we had even discussed.
	NBC News Chief Deborah Ternus, it has now been reported, was reportedly watching via satellite this interview.
	And during the breaks, which I think is bullcrap because it looked to me like they just sat down, did an hour, and that was it.
	But okay, she claims that she was texting Brian Williams' questions.
	Now, that does kind of fit with our analysis of the interview because he was just asking questions, no follow-up, and it was just like he was asking questions.
	So it's kind of interesting that not only does she say, but he admits that, oh yeah, I was getting questions, texts, and I would then use them because that's what the news chief was watching via satellite.
	That would count for the late...
	Well, I also don't believe that they had a satellite link-up.
	That's bullcrap.
	I don't believe that for a second.
	If you truly are in a hotel room in Moscow, you don't have a satellite truck outside?
	No!
	No!
	It would be pointless.
	It makes no sense, but okay.
	Here is something that I had considered, and a couple people tweeted about it, and then finally something came in that really made me seriously consider this notion.
	This is the matter of the missing nose guard on the left side of Edward Snowden's spectacles.
	Now, as an almost lifelong wearer of spectacles...
	Not having the nose guard, I don't care what you're doing, you cannot be using glasses for a year without fixing the nose guard because it will begin to irritate your skin.
	It just really can't be done.
	And what we had noticed is that the very first interview we saw, apparently from Hong Kong, that Laura Poitras did, Edward Snowden had a broken pair of spectacles, and this most recent one, Most recently aired on NBC News.
	He had the same broken spectacles.
	The assertion came in maybe these interviews were done at the same time.
	Just because you're broadcasting it later doesn't mean that it wasn't recorded at the same time.
	Now, I didn't think much of this initially, but then I started to kind of poke around, and I remembered seeing a selfie of Snowden with Laura Poitras, Grand Greenwald's husband, and I thought to myself, Self, this is kind of weird.
	Why was David there?
	Now, we know that Glenn Greenwald has been traveling around, and he was at that interview because we had a shot of him, Snowden, and Greenwald sitting there.
	So you're going to tell me that for just this interview, Greenwald took his husband, who already has issues traveling, certainly in the UK, as we know, David Miranda, and Poitras were all there...
	For this interview?
	Possible.
	Possible.
	I don't see why they would do that.
	Why would NBC News pay for them to come over as well?
	They'd just do this out of the goodness of their heart.
	Yeah, because they're cheap nowadays.
	Now, so I did some more poking around, and Gren Greenwald was actually during, and this is on the 22nd.
	You don't have Facebook, but David Miranda put a picture of him and Snowden and the infamous all of them in the selfie.
	And it's all listed as May 22nd.
	And I, of course, I tried to find some EXIF data.
	But, you know, when you upload these to Twitter and Facebook, basically a copy is made and the data is destroyed, unfortunately.
	But if you go to berlinsnow.noagendanotes.com, John, berlinsnow.noagendanotes.com, you'll see something very interesting that one of our producer's girlfriends found out.
	The producer, Sebastian, his girlfriend, her name, she is...
	berlinsnow.noagendanotes.com?
	Yeah.
	She's from Kazakhstan.
	Do you remember the podcast that Putin did and Snowden called in on that podcast?
	It was the television into the television thing?
	Right.
	The call-in show?
	Look at the caption, and I took this from German television, Zeitdeutsche Fernsehen, news footage.
	You can play the video if you want, but I made the poster frame.
	You see a frame, a double frame, a duo box of Putin and Snowden.
	Underneath the Putins, it says Mokba, and underneath Snowden in Russian, it says Berlin.
	Now, for Russian television to make this production mistake, to somehow place the man most known to the entire world as being in Mokba, to now be in Berlin for this phone-in for the president, I find that highly unbelievable.
	That's a great catch.
	Yes.
	I find it more likely that they...
	Knew that he was coming in from Berlin, or they received this recording from Berlin, or it was a so-called live connection.
	I don't believe it was a live connection, but it was portrayed as such.
	And they just put up Berlin, and then someone didn't catch it as, oh man, Ixnay on the Erlin Bay.
	I also then went back, and I put this page together with a couple of links so you can check some stuff out.
	It appears to me that Grand Greenwald was in Germany on the 22nd, 23rd, and 25th giving speeches, paid speeches, or at least there was a cover charge to get in.
	If the apparent Moscow interview was on the 22nd, yeah, maybe he hopped over real quick, but did he have to bring his boyfriend and Poitras for all of this?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	No, because they weren't featured on the show.
	There's no reason that Greenwald just couldn't fly over and back.
	Also, if you look at the difference between Snowden's haircut, he has a real buzz cut that he had for the interview, for the so-called May 22nd interview.
	You'll see the haircut there in the video, poster frame, very different.
	But that's hard to say because of the quality of the video.
	I'm not so sure.
	Yeah.
	In addition to that, these pictures, I'm pretty sure these were taken in a Berlin hotel room.
	I'm sorry, in a Moscow hotel room, just looking at the...
	It took me a while, but comics or blogger helped me out.
	The picture in the background of both of these pictures is of the Resurrection Gate, which is near Red Square.
	But it could also be in a Berlin room, in a Berlin hotel room.
	It could be in either one, really.
	Could be anywhere, actually.
	Yeah.
	But I am...
	This video of President Putin's very own call-in show and then having Snowden with the Berlin caption...
	Now, this would make sense, seeing as his girlfriend...
	Well, we have no proof of this, but we know that they were looking pretty hot for each other...
	Sarah Harrison...
	Now, who, of course, is the award-winning WikiLeaks journalist...
	Who used to be Julian Assange's girlfriend.
	She is still in Berlin.
	And in fact, everybody around this thing is in Berlin.
	Poitras is in Berlin.
	Applebaum is in Berlin.
	Who's to say?
	It's not that hard, you know.
	I've known people.
	My former business partner had a passport under a false name and had been getting, you know, big funding from banks and venture capital companies for years and it was not his identity.
	It's not that hard to assume a different identity.
	Change your appearance and travel.
	Take your glasses off for one thing.
	You don't need to have a private jet flying you.
	You don't need a presidential jet.
	Take your glasses off and put on some colored contact lenses to make your eyes a different color.
	Yeah.
	Which is easy enough.
	You know, your hair can do whatever, you know, you can do all kinds of other, your little makeup wouldn't hurt.
	But yeah, I can see them doing that and spending all this time in Berlin.
	And he's got his girlfriend.
	What's your assertion about the Brian Williams thing?
	You kind of confused me here.
	I like what you're saying now, but what you said at the beginning...
	That it was already done.
	This was done the same time in Hong Kong or wherever the original...
	But that's not possible.
	Why not?
	Because, for one thing, Brian Williams spent too much time talking about Greenwald's book with the title.
	There is no way Greenwald sold that book with a title.
	Good point.
	Good point.
	But we also know that if Miranda was there, isn't he afraid?
	It just makes so much sense that this was done at a different time, or either the time is different or the location is different.
	Why did Poitras and Miranda have to come over for the NBC interview?
	Why?
	Why would she even bother doing that and not be put on camera?
	Well, maybe she's doing a little documentary in the background.
	Possible.
	You know, to keep track of this guy and Miranda just to...
	I like the Berlin stuff.
	I think there's some possibility that he's not even in Russia, but he went back.
	He goes to Russia to do this interview.
	Also possible, yeah.
	And so he goes there because Brian Williams would not allow it to be done in Berlin.
	Somebody would leak it, one of the camera guys, somebody.
	Right, right, right.
	Good point.
	So that's not going to happen.
	Okay.
	So they're in there.
	But, you know, I can see her doing a documentary, behind-the-scenes documentary, shooting stuff.
	No, no, we know she's doing the documentary.
	She's doing that.
	And the boyfriend, I've always wanted to see Russia.
	I mean, who knows?
	Why can't you take me?
	Now, if you look at the picture, the selfie of all of them, you'll see in the reflection of the The screen in the background is...
	The TV screen.
	Yeah, there's obvious equipment flight cases.
	This is not the hotel room where they did the interview.
	No, no, no.
	Because that was not a hotel room.
	That was like a ballroom or some kind of dining room.
	So I see flight cases.
	So I think you're right.
	I think Poitras is doing the documentary.
	We know that she's doing it for Skull.
	That's who's financing the Snowden movie.
	Which is going to out-trump anything Greenwald thinks he's going to get from Sony.
	Because that'll be a documentary.
	I got Greenwald's book.
	I didn't bring it into my studio here, but the public relations people sent me a copy.
	Really?
	From the publisher, yeah.
	Really?
	Yeah, really.
	I purchased the book.
	How stupid am I? How stupid am I? Anyway, I think the tell here, which is a great catch from our producer, Sebastian, his...
	As he says, his Kazakh girlfriend.
	He says this Berlin caption.
	Yeah, that's a good catch.
	Anyway, I got the book.
	I found that to me, the book is everything that a Woodward book isn't.
	He actually probably tried to put this book together himself instead of using, like, you know, Woodward, a smart guy.
	Well, he doesn't seem that bright, but he's smart enough to let the CIA write his books for him.
	And so you get these huge tomes.
	Every time, you know, every year it comes out a big, giant book with all kinds of inside information you could never get unless you had really weird sources.
	This is actually the best Greenwald could do.
	It's 250 pages?
	Are you kidding me?
	That's not enough.
	That sucks.
	It's just a rehash of his articles.
	Yeah, that's what I thought.
	He's a lawyer.
	Yeah, he's a lawyer.
	He's not even a constitutional lawyer!
	Somebody sent us a message saying that they may have fired Eleanor Cliff.
	I don't think so.
	I didn't find any evidence of that.
	She's going to be back.
	By the way, our President Obama is visiting Europe this week.
	He will go to Poland, Belgium, and France.
	Missing from the list is Germany.
	Why would you not go visit Germany if you're in Poland?
	I think there's a feud underway.
	Yeah!
	Germany's got Snowden!
	Ha ha ha ha ha!
	Woo!
	Good one.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah.
	It's possible.
	It's very possible.
	You know, there was a commentary that...
	That Snowden was going to go talk to the Germans and talk to the German parliament, and then they made a big stink about, oh, he can't do it because he's going to call these international incidents.
	Remember that?
	Yeah.
	And so then when Snowden first got to Russia, the Germans were going to give him a free pass to come and tell them what the kind of shit he found out.
	And then it became a kind of a stink was made.
	Oh, he can't do that.
	So he didn't supposedly do it, but maybe he did.
	Maybe they...
	You know, the Germans have got a secret police.
	They've got a CIA. They could go into Russia and give them the phony passports and, you know, the phony...
	It doesn't have to be phony.
	It can just be of a dead person.
	It's not that hard to do.
	Right.
	It's not that hard to do.
	And I think Snowden would be...
	Snowden knows how to live under assumed...
	Maybe he has a whole separate identity he can travel under.
	If you've lived abroad and you have, as he claims, an assumed identity, you have papers for the assumed identity.
	Right.
	So that's not that hard for him to perhaps travel freely.
	And he's also, he's not learned a stitch of Russian.
	Right, which makes zero sense to me.
	Of course, that could be a ruse.
	And I gotta say, his girlfriend, she's now speaking on conferences, a big conference sponsored by Microsoft, and she's being lauded by everyone else.
	What's her name again?
	Sarah Harrison.
	She just spoke, and I watched the whole thing, thinking I could get a good clip out of it.
	It's completely boring.
	Let me see, she was at the, what was it?
	She looks like a CIA girl too.
	But I'll tell you, here, she's scheduled for the keynote at Deutsche Welle, which is essentially the big German broadcaster.
	She's making money, she's having a good time, and she's looking, I got smoking hot.
	And she's fashionable, and she's got that kind of sexy gap in her teeth.
	Partner Julian Assange.
	Here, this is what she spoke of.
	Republica 2014, and she was interviewed by, what's her name?
	Alexa O'Brien.
	There's a bonanza over there, man.
	If you have anything that's sticking to you that reeks of hacker, NSA, or wiki, you can make money in Germany.
	So I'm looking at the Google page when I looked up Sarah Harrison, and they have this little thing, little bios on the side now that they give you.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	So you don't have to go to the Wikipedia, I guess.
	So there it is, and it says, people also search for Julian Assange, Jacob Applebaum, Laura Poitras, Edward Snowden, and then there's a guy, I don't know who this is.
	Who?
	Kristen Parasnason.
	Hmm, hold on.
	K-R-I-S-T-I-N-N. Let's say a fin or something.
	It's a guy.
	And it's H-R-A-F-N-S-S-O-N, which is a classic Nordic name with a son of Herif.
	Hold on a second, hold on a second.
	So who is this guy?
	Give me his name again, Kristen?
	K-R-I-S-T-I-N-N. Yeah, we know him.
	Kristen, what's his last name?
	H-R-A-F-R-I-S-O. Hraffinson, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Now, we played a clip from him.
	He is the new guy.
	He's the new spokeshole for WikiLeaks.
	Oh.
	Yeah, he's the new guy.
	Yeah, he's an Icelandic investigative journalist, supposedly.
	And then you get a big...
	Now I get, since I looked him up, I get a big lineup of people.
	Jessalyn Raddick, Colleen Rowley.
	Yeah, we know her.
	Hans Christian Strobel.
	Scobel?
	Hans Christian Scoble.
	I don't see Scoble.
	You know your organization.
	Jennifer Robinson, Gren Greedwald, Chelsea Manning, Ray McGovern, one of my favorite chatterboxes, and Thomas Andrews Drake, one of the NSA whistleblowers who's still irked.
	Sarah Harrison, she is being lauded as a hero, saying that she cannot go back.
	She's in self-imposed exile in Berlin, saying she cannot go back.
	She's a hero of what?
	They're saying that she's a hero because she...
	How is she a hero?
	Well, because she protected Snowden throughout his journey from Hong Kong to Russia.
	Now, she attended Seven Oaks private school, which we've discussed this, which is a known spook school in the UK. Yeah.
	Well, let's say she's British.
	She could be a CIA person.
	She could be MI6. She could be MI5. But let's say that she went to a spook school and now she's in this clique, which seems pretty sketchy.
	And Snowden worked for the agency and now let's say they're still trying to extract him.
	Would he be in Berlin and somehow would the CIA know he's there, but they're helping hide him from the NSA or the American government, the FBI or people like that?
	You think that's a possibility?
	Well, just look at what's happening in Berlin.
	Berlin has all these essentially anti-American, anti-American agency conferences.
	It's all about how America, bad, bad, bad, bad, and the UK, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.
	Everybody lives there.
	Everybody's hanging out in Berlin.
	Happened in place.
	Yeah.
	I mean, so that's egregious at best.
	Egregious to the United States.
	Yeah.
	They got the Chaos Communication Congress.
	They got this re-whatever-this-thing-was that she was just on.
	Poitras is there.
	Everyone's there!
	The problem with Snowden being there is just that I can't imagine these people, especially the poitresses of the world, although she might be compromising and actually be good at this.
	I could be wrong.
	But Glenn Greenwald and his boyfriend, I can't see them being quiet about this.
	Someone would give him up.
	He may not know.
	Oh, that's possible.
	I think the Sarah girl, she knows.
	All the pictures of her and Ed, and they're all dressed up and close to each other.
	Yeah, well, they can have a lot more fun, but the problem is they can actually go out in public in Berlin?
	Because if you're in Berlin, you want to hit the restaurants and nightlife.
	You do.
	It's a really great place.
	I don't know.
	They're masters of disguise.
	Or you have to go to Russia to hang out in a Moscow pub?
	I mean, what are you going to do?
	John, they're masters of disguise.
	Well, that is a possibility that they're masters of disguise.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Look, I think this whole idea would have no validity without the screen caption saying Berlin.
	Yeah, which could be just bullcrap.
	It could be an accident.
	But what kind of accident is that?
	It's not the kind of accident I can imagine a Chiron guy doing.
	No, it must be.
	What are you going to put on the car?
	I was going to put Berlin for no good reason.
	Well, I doubted it was a live video.
	You'll recall the way it was presented.
	Oh, it's unbelievable.
	We have this live video coming in here, ladies and gentlemen.
	It's incredible with a question for our president.
	Here is Edward Snowden.
	And if I'm in the television control room, and this is coming to me as...
	I'm just going to presume this was not set up.
	It's coming as a big surprise.
	Oh, we got the feed coming in!
	Where's it coming?
	You know, it's Skype or Satellite, whatever.
	He's in Berlin!
	He's calling in!
	Alright, put it up!
	Put it up!
	Mach-Bahn, Berlin!
	I can see that happening.
	Yeah.
	Who knows?
	Who knows?
	Okay.
	Something I've had on my list for...
	A while now, and I didn't quite get to it, and it was only for one particular country, and then all of a sudden, whoa, it came in and it turns out every single country in Euroland now has to do this, and I have a clip.
	I needed to share this with everybody.
	It seems Britain's economy is doing better than reported because of illegal activities.
	The official GDP statistics are being boosted by including things like prostitution and sales of drugs.
	Britain's Office for National Statistics says that Hidden economy trade was worth almost 10 billion pounds, nearly 12 billion euros at current exchange rates back in 2009, the most recent year for which it's done the calculations.
	The total is based on estimates of how many prostitutes and drug users there are in the UK and their activities.
	illegal economically productive activity now has to be included in how growth is measured under eu rules known as the european system of accounts though people engaged in such illegal work are unlikely to pay taxes on it governments do benefit from the money that they spend on taxable purchases this is very interesting uh that uh that Didn't we talk about this before?
	Was it happening in Greece or Italy?
	Or somebody was jacking up their numbers?
	Yeah, I don't think we actually talked about it on the show.
	But yes, Italy...
	I may have talked about it with Horowitz.
	Right.
	So Italy has now released this as well.
	But apparently it is a directive that all EU countries have to add their illegal, so their prostitution and drug trade, which makes nothing but sense!
	It makes no sense to me.
	This is a version of cooking the books.
	For one thing, these numbers are inaccurate, but let's just say our economies are crapping out.
	What can we do?
	What kind of numbers that we've never used before have always been around to use, but all of a sudden we start using these new numbers to make things look better.
	It's just window dressing.
	Well...
	For a lousy economy.
	What if we needed to...
	If you backtracked and put these numbers in for the last 50 years so you can get something to compare, yeah, then it would be fine with me.
	But to start doing it out of the blue just to boost your numbers, this is not kosher.
	Perhaps it has been a directive to do this for a reset of currency or a re-evaluation of individual countries for some reason either within the EU or within a larger monetary system.
	And everybody's jumping on board and coming up with as best numbers as possible.
	I mean, there's no doubt.
	Just putting off the inevitable, but okay.
	What's the inevitable?
	Collapse.
	Yeah, well, that's okay.
	Yeah, I know it is okay to put it off.
	I mean, what's the point of...
	What's the rush?
	That's the least of the problems, really, in Euroland.
	Unreported, but wow.
	These...
	The immigrants...
	That are fleeing North Africa, all of Africa, but North Africa, certainly Libya and Tunisia, and are trying to get to the EU. There's entire cities now in southern Italy of immigrants and people trying to climb over walls and they're floating in boats and inner tubes.
	This is not being reported, but it's a mess.
	It's a mess, the immigrants.
	Yeah.
	It really is.
	Let's see.
	42,000 illegal immigrants reached the European Union between January and April of this year alone, four times the number of last year.
	French police in Calais, they've got a camp there and people are trying to climb over the fence and the police are hammering them with bats.
	Like, get back, you slave!
	They don't know what to do with them.
	The people are hiding in trucks, and it's just crazy.
	Good work, everybody, on the Arab Spring.
	How'd that work out?
	Good work.
	Yeah, right.
	Fabulous.
	Just fantastic.
	Well, I don't know what they're going to do about this problem.
	These are not useful employees, you know, or anything.
	And the economy is already in the tank because the Chinese have become the manufacturers of the world.
	And so there's nothing to do.
	It's just going to create all kinds of issues.
	A lot of crime.
	Oh, massive, massive crime.
	Yeah.
	And the liberal guilt is going to be hard-pressed to deal with this.
	It's going to be terrible.
	Well, I think that's why he's being kept very quiet.
	Like, shh, shh.
	Don't talk about those people in the camp.
	I watched the president's podcast this morning, as I always do.
	There's about 2,000 of us who watch the podcast on video.
	And I'm always amazed by the tone that he sets and the things he says.
	And it's a very long one today, but I cut it down to about a minute 15.
	It's about 7 minutes in total.
	And he's using some words that if you just let it relax and flow over you...
	I think it's important to discuss the term that he is using in this and the precedence he is setting for What is clearly a strategy of Agenda 21.
	Just have a listen to the words.
	Hi, everybody.
	I'm here at Children's National Medical Center in Washington, D.C., visiting with some kids, being treated here all the time for asthma and other breathing problems.
	This, of course, is...
	Oh!
	Won't somebody please think of the children?!
	Often these illnesses are aggravated by air pollution.
	Pollution from the same sources that release carbon and contribute to climate change.
	Okay, now let's listen carefully.
	The same sources that release carbon...
	Now, I think he means carbon dioxide.
	Would you agree that's what he really means?
	Yes.
	Or just carbon?
	No, he means carbon dioxide.
	Okay, but it's not...
	I mean, I'm carbon, you're carbon, my laptop is...
	We're all carbon.
	But he's saying carbon, and this is important...
	He's actually released a bunch of Taliban carbon recently.
	Five units of TC, Taliban carbon.
	And for the sake of all our kids, we've got to do more to reduce it.
	So he's saying that carbon is giving these kids asthma.
	Earlier this month, hundreds of scientists declared that climate change is no longer a distant threat.
	Notice the difference here.
	Instead of 97% or almost all, hundreds.
	It's gone from thousands now to hundreds, which is also interesting.
	It has moved firmly into the present.
	Its costs can be measured in lost lives and livelihoods, lost homes and businesses, and higher prices for food.
	This climate change is crap!
	Insurance and rebuilding.
	That's why last year I put forward America's first climate action plan.
	This plan cuts carbon pollution by building a clean energy economy.
	Did you hear it?
	Carbon pollution.
	Yeah, this is not a new phrase.
	We've heard this before.
	You know, maybe I'm just noticing it now.
	Maybe he hasn't been so...
	He's equating carbon dioxide to children having asthma, John.
	That's what I didn't like here.
	There's no such thing as carbon pollution.
	He said earlier in the thing that the places that pump out carbon, aka carbon dioxide, also pump out pollution, but He's trying to make a connection here in the brain.
	It's just very weak.
	Using more clean energy.
	By the way, we had a clip of this, it was like a month or two ago, of some woman making this assertion.
	I wish I could remember what the circumstance was, but this is, he's just picked it up.
	This is not a new meme.
	Let me see, Carbon, was it Carbon War Room maybe?
	No, it had something to do with maybe carbon pollution.
	She was trying to do the same thing.
	Here's what I have.
	Carbon trading is out.
	No.
	Carbon war room.
	I don't know what that is.
	We can listen for a moment.
	Carbon war room started.
	Oh no, that was something else.
	Carbon trading is out.
	Maybe that was something.
	Holland and Durban, South Africa.
	No.
	No.
	We'd have to, I mean, sometimes you title stuff weirdly.
	I'm very poor at this.
	All right, let's continue with this podcast.
	Almost done.
	Less dirty energy.
	Dirty energy.
	Wasting.
	So we have dirty energy now.
	Less energy throughout our economy.
	One of the best things we can do for our economy, our health, and our environment is to lead the world in producing cleaner, safer energy.
	Today, about 40% of America's carbon pollution comes from power plants.
	Carbon pollution?
	I don't know.
	I just...
	It clicked for me when he said that these kids are dying of asthma attacks and respiratory disease because of carbon pollution.
	Yeah, well, I said we've done this carbon pollution scam once before.
	I wish we had the other clip.
	So he's just picking it up.
	I think this is kind of a flyer.
	I think they bring this up every so often to see what kind of pushback they get on using this term because it's bull crap.
	And so I think we're going to hear it again probably in how many months?
	You know, a few months we're going to start hearing it again.
	I don't think it's going to take off, though.
	Okay.
	I could be wrong.
	Just point it out.
	While you were doing that, I was...
	Did you see the spelling bee?
	Oh, no.
	You are the man to catch the spelling bees, aren't you?
	Well, I only caught part of it.
	I caught a part of this kid that apparently, throughout the spelling bee, he acted like this.
	On Thursday, how about Jacob Williamson?
	Kabara Goya.
	Kabara Goya.
	I know it!
	I know it!
	I totally know it!
	Okay.
	Kabara Goya.
	Kabara Goya.
	C-A-B-A-R-A-G-O-Y-A. What?!
	Listen, he was a fan favorite if you watched.
	Listen, he was something else.
	Alright, here we are.
	So this kid, I guess...
	He got it wrong.
	Yeah, he did get it wrong.
	Because it's part of the K, not a C. But he would make these...
	I guess throughout the thing, and I'm now...
	I'm sorry I didn't watch the whole thing.
	He would scream out his opinions of whether this was a good word or whether he could spell it.
	With this screechy voice.
	Sounds like he's on the spectrum.
	Sounds like he's definitely on the spectrum and probably on something else.
	Whatever.
	Yeah, on the spectrum.
	Oh, by the way, I will be the first to admit, I did not get your Catcher in the Rye joke at the end of the last show.
	Oh, you feel guilty about this?
	No, I don't feel guilty about anything, but this whole carbon storm.
	I didn't expect that many people were going to get the joke.
	Now, I don't even think I've ever read Catcher in the Rye, to be quite honest.
	Yeah, but that wasn't the joke.
	I don't think I actually heard the joke.
	So maybe if you can repeat it, we can see if I can get it now.
	You were going on and on about being, you know, either being followed or conspiracy theories.
	Oh, please.
	That doesn't sound like me.
	I don't know what you were saying.
	I'd have to go back and get the clip.
	But I said, you said something, and it reminded me of the Catcher in the Rye joke.
	So I said, you've been reading copies of Catcher in the Rye.
	And what that was referenced to was the movie Conspiracy Theory with...
	Mel Gibson?
	Mel Gibson, who, to track him, because they needed to track him all the time because he had this suppressed information that would prove there was a government conspiracy of some sort.
	He would, whenever he went to a bookstore or any store and he saw a copy of Catcher in the Rye, he was compelled by hypnosis to buy a copy.
	And so they I don't know where he is, so he makes a copy of Catcher in the Rye.
	Black helicopters immediately come in, and he keeps doing this, and he has a huge collection in his room of Catcher in the Rye books, and this woman asks him, what do you got all these copies of Catcher in the Rye?
	And he goes, I'm not really sure, but I really do like the book.
	Interestingly, I do not believe I've seen the movie either.
	You'd like it.
	It's a little long, but it's very enjoyable.
	And it mocks a lot of the stuff, but it's actually a good story.
	It's fun to watch.
	It's a monster movie is what it really is.
	Anyway, yeah, that's the Catching the Rye joke.
	So now you know.
	Yes, I know.
	Yeah, there must have been about ten people tweeting it saying, I got the joke.
	But it's one of my obscure references I just use on occasion.
	Now, this was only, I'm going to say, three shows ago, maybe, that we talked about this?
	We only found out where we were going to be trained on the last day in Ankara, when the Americans said...
	Ah, this is not what I was thinking.
	Sorry, wrong clip.
	We were talking about the safe haven in Syria for the terrorists.
	Yeah.
	The safe haven in Syria, and that, oh, we're going to have these terrorists who are going to come back to America and commit atrocities in the homeland?
	Yeah.
	Well, huh?
	The Syrian, the American terrorist, the suicide bomber from Tampa?
	I have a very short clip that introduces him.
	Okay.
	American suicide bomber.
	Yes.
	It's confirmed an American citizen blew himself up in Syria.
	The U.S. State Department named the suicide bomber as Mona Mohammed Abu Salah.
	He was in his late 20s, reportedly grew up in Florida, and went to Syria last year to join Islamist fighters.
	Calvin Young brings us more, some amateur footage of the attack carried out by that young man last weekend.
	Was that France 40?
	Yes, it was Van Katte.
	Here, Van Katte, yeah, 40, 20, or whatever.
	Here's the American news media analysis, which, of course, hits a lot closer to home.
	We now know it was an American who launched a suicide attack in Syria last Sunday.
	The State Department confirms it is the first time a U.S. citizen has been linked to an Al Qaeda-backed bombing in Syria's civil war.
	Randy, State Department officials believe that the man is Munir Muhammad Abu Salah.
	This is a man...
	Why don't we give us an American name, by the way?
	What's up with that?
	...who grew up and studied in Florida.
	They have not divulged when exactly this man actually went to Syria, but it is believed to be the first American suicide bomber in the Syrian civil war.
	Woo!
	This was a huge attack, as you can tell by the video you're seeing on the screen.
	Now, we're still trying to get more details about the American who went to Syria and when exactly they went to Syria.
	I love how it keeps repeating, the American, American.
	But one of the reasons American officials are so concerned isn't just because there are American fighters on the ground in Syria.
	And analysts that I've spoken with believe that there are at least a hundred there.
	Analysts?
	Unless, which would be CIA....as of now, and that more are possibly on the way.
	American officials also very worried about Americans who might come back to the U.S. after having learned terrorism techniques...
	...making themselves up.
	Yeah, terrorism techniques!
	...techniques from hardline Al-Qaeda insurgents in Syria, and then might plot a...
	Because that Inspire magazine is not doing the job with their, you know, pipe bombs and pressure cookers.
	No, we need techniques!
	...taxed.
	This is, of course...
	Yes?
	I was going to say, Van Cat continued with this report, and they said, I don't even know that any of this is true.
	And the pictures of this goofball with a big smile on his face.
	With a cat.
	With a cat.
	He had one picture with a cat holding a kitten.
	And, you know, the whole thing could be just bullcrap from the get-go.
	There's no proof of any of this.
	But what this does is it...
	It is meant to give license to spying because, oh, please, we have networks of recruiters.
	We're trying to recruit people to then send them over.
	I mean, Edward Snowden can't travel to Berlin, but apparently if you've been in Syria and you've blowed stuff up, you can come back to America.
	New problem.
	Hey, that beard looks mighty suspicious.
	Now, it continues.
	More fear.
	Fear!
	Be afraid!
	Launch attacks against the homeland from within.
	So, very, very worrying developments this week with this story, Randy.
	And in terms of this particular case, I mean, they have no idea who trained him or where he got his training yet?
	No, they don't.
	But they say that it's relatively easy for Americans or Europeans who want to get into Syria.
	It's like a call to action.
	It's easy, kids.
	It's easy.
	Go to Turkey first.
	Amongst these groups, to get into Syria, once they're there, very easy to get the kind of training that could one day cause a devastating attack inside the homeland.
	Hold on a second.
	That training's easy.
	You can't find any of these guys, but you can just waltz over when you feel like it, and it's easy to get training.
	Really?
	It's easy to get training, but it's hard to find them.
	So that's really the great concern here.
	And they're trying as hard as they can to shut this down.
	But they say the problem is, we heard from an FBI official yesterday, one of the problems is that a lot of the people that are going over there, they look like ordinary, average Americans.
	They can be men, they can be women, and it would be very hard to detect when they would come back.
	Take note, FBI official, this is where the next six-week cycle has to come from.
	It's got to be one of these guys.
	We're going to shut down some guy that we were trying to recruit to go over to Syria.
	I don't know.
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	You never know what they're going to do with the six-week cycle.
	It's always caught us, except for the bonehead, just pushing, okay, I'll push his button, he'll blow up the bank.
	That guy, which they seem to find plenty of in the United States, except for that guy, these other things are slightly unpredictable.
	And they're going to have to do something.
	I think you're right about the situation that's going to unfold with the Taliban swap out.
	Well, the thing that may not be discussed in mainstream, which luckily our producers bring it up, is you've essentially now put a price on the head of every serviceman and woman of five to one.
	Right, five to one is a lot.
	That's a good deal.
	Yeah, so this is a huge botch by the Obama administration.
	It's going to be a huge botch.
	So I went, I did get, I do have one little Snowden clip I wanted to run, which also kind of plays into this problem with the media.
	Mm-hmm.
	Today's show now has Carson Daly.
	Today's show they keep playing with to improve it.
	And I like the newsreader better than Savannah on the other station.
	Who's the newsreader?
	I can't remember her name, but I think she's just more presentable.
	And then they've got Carson Daly, who goes to the Orange Room, and he does research, and most of it's based on Twitter.
	Right, right.
	Well, isn't he sponsored by Twitter?
	No, Sprint?
	No, I think it's Sprint.
	Yeah, Sprint are one of them phone companies.
	And so he goes in there with this thing on Snowden.
	Hey, Carson!
	Sorry.
	So Carson goes in, and they're all yucking it up.
	And Carson goes in, and he looks at the Twitter...
	The patriot versus traitor trending and how it changed during the interview.
	And it brings up an interesting point to my way of thinking, if you listen to this whole thing and what, you know, he changed from being a traitor to a patriot because of Brian Williams, which is part of probably a larger scheme that we're not part of.
	But play this and you get a sense of what they're up to.
	Up to you all.
	All right, Kristen, thank you.
	To see you.
	Carson Daly is here.
	Got more reaction.
	Hey, Carson!
	Revealing interview with Edward Snowden.
	Morning, guys.
	How you doing?
	Good.
	Really interesting to watch, as you've heard so far this morning, the opinion switch during the interview last night with Brian.
	The online opinion did the exact same.
	Come on over to the Orange Room.
	And let me try and break it down exactly what we noticed all day yesterday and certainly during the interview last night in Prime here on NBC. We asked you to hashtag Trader or Patriot.
	This was provided by Twitter at CUS. It shows some of the Twitter activity during the day yesterday, and you'll see the surge happen here in a second.
	Green Patriot, Blue Trader, getting a lot of activity.
	That's during the interview itself.
	But pretty much, by and large, during the day, we saw this trend.
	About 53.47, the majority of you have looked at Edward Snowden as a trader.
	Okay, now this is where it gets interesting.
	This is 9 p.m.
	Eastern Time, an hour before the interview aired.
	You can see the trader.
	What's with the music?
	Yeah, we're not doing it right.
	I totally agree.
	We're doing it all wrong, John.
	Yeah, we need a music track behind it.
	Hey everybody, this is No Agenda.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	How you doing, John?
	Everything good?
	What's the trend?
	Yeah, I would like to find out.
	Subscribe.
	Let's go to the orange room and find out the graph that we got exclusively from Twitter.
	This is great.
	Yeah.
	Perfect.
	Perfect.
	We're idiots.
	Yes.
	Most people think we're idiots.
	What is this?
	This is also, this is not even remotely a legal survey.
	It's just about, you know, you could have a bot changing this, but finish the thing up and you can see where this is going.
	And this brings up my concern.
	Sort of in the lead there.
	The interview starts here.
	This surge in hashtag Patriot all of a sudden jumps right after the interview airs on the East Coast.
	And you can see clearly once there was a face to the story and all the things that we've heard this morning, people's opinion online drastically changed.
	And it continued that trend through 2 a.m.
	Eastern, which is when it finished airing on the West Coast.
	As it stands this morning when we got in, here's the shift.
	61% think he's a patriot and 39% a traitor.
	So your online opinion has certainly changed after the interview aired.
	Fascinating.
	Yeah, you know what this is?
	Science!
	That's right.
	Science.
	Now, a couple of things to note.
	One is the public was so easily switched over, supposedly, even though this whole survey thing is bullcrap since it's on Twitter.
	Well, Well, it seems like this is a setup, obviously.
	It's obviously a setup to get more sympathy so they can bring the guy back in one way, shape, or form.
	From Berlin.
	From Berlin.
	But it tells you the media has not done its job in the first place that you would have such a switch like this.
	And then this constant claim by NBC that this was the first interview with the guy.
	When he was interviewed in Hong Kong, he was interviewed by the German guy, probably in Berlin.
	And this is not the first interview with the guy.
	It's the first interview that the mechanism let happen so the public could see the guy.
	So this is very, very suspicious.
	Well, everything points to a return for Snowden.
	Yeah.
	Everything.
	The whole interview, the whole setup, Carrie saying, we'll get you on a plane ride away from Berlin.
	And everything points to it.
	Yeah, it does.
	All right.
	Let's take a little break right here.
	I think that's what we should do.
	I'm going to show my support by donating to no agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on no agenda in the morning.
	I want to do a mea culpa before we do the thank yous, because I promised that we took a bit from the Jimmy Dore show some time ago.
	We didn't know it was from his show, and they bitched about this on their podcast.
	It's a comedy podcast.
	Well, it actually happened differently.
	Someone sent me a link to a SoundCloud thing, and people send links to stuff all the time, and I don't know if someone else has done it, where it comes from.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's what I explained, and they were very amenable to my just thanking them by mentioning, because his concern, I think, was Jimmy's concern, I think, was the credit to the writer and the voiceover guy, whose I would love to use this guy.
	He has one of those big voices that, you know, Mark Thompson was the voice, and the writer is this Mark Van Ladewitt.
	V-A-N-L-A-N-D-U-Y-T. And those are the guys who produced it for his show, and it's posted somewhere.
	I have a link that I'll give you when you put it on the show notes.
	And people can listen to it.
	It's the one where the guy says, PBS. It's very funny.
	It's an hilarious bit.
	But I just wanted to make sure that we did give them credit, and I promised that.
	Well, the funny thing is, I wanted to do this on the last show, and you shut me down.
	I don't remember this.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	There was someone who sent in a donation with a question about this.
	Oh, did you have the name of the writer?
	Yeah, I had everything.
	Well, I misunderstood what you said then.
	Because I would have allowed that to go.
	Because what I was going to say was, 621 episodes, we've never been accused of plagiarism or theft ever.
	And the first time it happens, it's from a podcast.
	You'd think that we'd be sued or threatened some other way.
	And the only thing I find unfortunate is, If you got a beef with us, drop me an email.
	You don't have to call us assholes.
	Just drop me an email.
	If you're going to call us anything, make sure to call us douchebags.
	Yeah, please.
	Douchebags will be better.
	I'm sorry that I did that to you.
	I got a double apology.
	You know what?
	But anyway, so that's...
	It happens.
	So we're good to go?
	We're all good.
	We're good with Jimmy.
	Yeah, no, in fact, I thought that he was amenable, and I listened to his show, and they have to, you know, it's very left-oriented, and so, you know, another hate the Republicans, hate the Republicans kind of thing, and there's not a lot of balance.
	Well, he actually, in his tirade, He said, you know, he basically called us Republicans.
	I find hilarious.
	Joke.
	Because we're anything but Republicans.
	We give them as much grief as anyone.
	But I have to say that he does...
	He does original material that's written gags on every show that is really not that easy to do.
	To write a lot of, like a monologue, every time you do a show.
	Because we do our show as just performance art.
	We don't have gags and things that we produce.
	It's very difficult to do that.
	Anyway, so I want to say sorry about that.
	I want to thank a lot of people for coming in here on show 622.
	Damien Taman in Perth.
	Western Australia.
	I think, you know, he sent...
	I thought he sent something.
	Did you get a note?
	Well, I thought I had a note from him.
	While you're looking for that, let me read a note from Elise Garling, Dame Elise Garling, who sent...
	I presume if you go to the P.O. Box, did you get a Limoncello?
	Yes, and I want to thank her profusely.
	It's a different style than her previously.
	Well, here's what she says.
	Dearest Adam, I moved from Queens, New York to my hometown of Washington State, right down the road from JCD. Here I cannot get Everclear, so this batch won't kick your ass like previous bottles.
	My aunt picked the lemons off her tree in California.
	I'd love some karma because I'm headed to Bristol Bay, Alaska, to commercial fish for the next two months.
	My hot cousin and I need to catch...
	She knows how to play me.
	Like a violin!
	My hot cousin and I need to catch shit tons of salmon to make the barfing worthwhile.
	This is, of course, Dame Elise is our hot Alaskan fisher chick.
	Hopefully I can hook up to Wi-Fi now and then and download the show, but I'll probably be out for weeks at a time.
	I'll miss you guys.
	Much love.
	You guys rock.
	Dame Elise Garling and I did want to give her her karma as requested for no barfing.
	You've got karma.
	Lots of fish.
	Lots of salmon.
	Yeah, she moved to Port Townsend, which is where Eric's building his place.
	Ah, the Shill Castle.
	The Shill Castle.
	Built from his no-agenda wages.
	Anyway, Damien, you have to send us a note again.
	I can't find anything.
	Alan Chow in Flushing, New York, 12345.
	He, by the way, found your deconstruction of Elliot Rogers' creepy doctor.
	And yes, all women on 621 to be, as he would put it, amazing.
	No, no, we have a different way of putting that.
	We have it...
	Don't we have that?
	Oh, no, we don't have amazing.
	I thought we had an amazing clip.
	We only have this one.
	Awesome!
	Yeah, awesome.
	Timothy Tillman in Prince George, Virginia, 12345.
	John Johnson Jr., $111.11.
	Daniel Baumgartner in Plano, Texas, right up the street from you, came in with a handwritten note, $102.33.
	I'll just read a part of it.
	ITM John and Adam.
	I'm donating the first time because I've been moved by two things.
	Adam immediately being remorseful for saying Jesus or Christ in vain, and then apologizing.
	You did that once, I remember that.
	I do that from time to time.
	People don't like it when I do that, and there's no reason for me to do it.
	Right, it's just gratuitous.
	There is hope for us all.
	Anyway, he wants the plug for Inspire...
	I think it's a Christian site.
	I'm not sure.
	Anyway, so we'll give him a...
	He says he wants a choice of jingle for his douchebaggery.
	Why don't we give him a de-douching and then we'll be done with it.
	Okay.
	You've been de-douched.
	Nicholas Stowe in Austin, Texas.
	He's got two Texans in a row.
	He has $100.
	He says PayPal canceled his $1.11 subscription for no reason.
	Yeah, of course.
	I took this as a signing to support the show.
	So along with this donation, I'm signing up for $33.33 a month to spite PayPal.
	Yeah.
	He also loved their thing on packet equality.
	Richard Chow in Fullerton, California.
	Keep up the good work.
	Mark Pugner comes in.
	And old Pugner, who's a really...
	I don't believe this is the genuine Mark Pugner.
	But he came in with...
	From Schaumburg, Illinois, from 1999.
	D.H. Slammer, 9130.
	He had a note, I think.
	He sent a picture of his wife.
	It's appreciated.
	There's something else he said...
	I think he had a...
	Oh, doesn't he become a knight today?
	Yeah, that's what it is.
	And so we'll give him...
	We'll give him, since he's a knight today, it took him a while.
	Can you play the What Difference Does It Make?
	Yeah, of course.
	And I don't know what Call Me Sir is.
	I have no idea.
	And Shut Up Slave.
	No, I don't have the What Difference Does It Make.
	That's the one I don't have.
	Everyone thinks I have that for some reason.
	Oh, right.
	I don't have that one.
	Anyway, he came in at 91.30, now he's a knight.
	Good.
	We'll be 90 in.
	Rick Barkhouse, 8888, Smith Falls, Ontario.
	Kevin Benson.
	Don't we have a sound effect for 88, 88?
	Kevin Benson, Yowie Bay in New South Wales, Australia, 88, 60.
	keeps.
	Sean Coffey, 8080, from Annandale, New South Wales.
	It's just weird that we have these things right the same place twice in a row on the spreadsheet.
	That also doesn't...
	I don't think Sean Coffey is from New South Wales, but I could be wrong.
	Well, he's from Annandale somewhere.
	Sir Schwartz in Denmark, 69-69, the one and only.
	Mac Tank, 67-89, La Jolla.
	Lucero Moes of Vala Beach, New South, another Aussie.
	I still hate PayPal, but you can't beat him, join him, he says.
	Megan Francis in St.
	Joseph, Michigan called out my husband on Twitter for not donating.
	He ended up using my PayPal to donate.
	Yay, feminism.
	Luke Rainer in London, UK. He says he loves the little skits we do where Adam calls someone on the phone and John pretends to be the protagonist of whatever subject you're talking about.
	Cracks me up.
	Okay.
	Well, that's part of our performance.
	He says he just found out that the government inspectors are in the college he teaches at.
	That's years of theatrical training finally pays off, John.
	Jawohl!
	Okay, Kevin Johnson in Racine, Wisconsin.
	55, Double Nickels on the Dime.
	We have the Double Nickels on the Dime promotion continuing.
	Yes.
	One more show.
	Kathleen Stokes in Woburn, Massachusetts.
	Double Nickels on the Dime.
	Steve Sebelius, no relation.
	Moorhead, Minnesota.
	Steve Edwards in Centerville, Ohio.
	Gary Wiley in Squim, Washington.
	Jonathan Jackson in Chattanooga, Tennessee.
	The birthday present for himself.
	Ty Alville in Hermiston, Oregon.
	William J. Heaven in Chestermere.
	That's a great name for a detective or something, Heaven.
	Joe Heaven.
	Chestermere, Alberta, Canada.
	Hank Heaven.
	Hank Heaven.
	Private Eye.
	Stuart Fawcett in Liverpool, Merseyside, UK. Ronald Morse in Dubuque.
	No, Albuquerque, New Mexico.
	Here, try this out.
	Hank Heaven, Private Eye.
	Sir Dean Bertram in Bibra Lake, Washington.
	Jason Kirk in Kogan Station, Pennsylvania.
	Jonathan Barrett, I'm guessing, in Amesbury, Massachusetts, Nuts.
	Which I mispronounced earlier.
	Uh-oh.
	What?
	What?
	Uh-oh.
	5510, we've got Nicholas.
	Hold on.
	No, no, this is a drunk stone nation.
	So he has to either be drunk and stoned, and I'm reading this, I'm not seeing any evidence of either.
	But I'll read it like he was drinking.
	I miss you and Sebastian, Cranky Geeks.
	The show was awesome, and I thought your card throwing was an alpha as hell classy touch.
	I've been following your work since the age of 13.
	Adam, your segues to the donation, advertising, underwriting, call it what you want segment has been fucking spot on.
	I've listened to you both since the beginning before the jingles and all the awesomeness of the podcast best in the universe.
	I'm 22 today.
	Throughout the years, you both have reminded, loyal to yourselves and your listeners, it truly shows in your work.
	Because of this, I would be remiss if I didn't share any of this little wealth I have.
	Hashtag slave strong strong.
	Nico Zumas.
	22.
	The Future of America.
	Somehow out of place is a $50 donation, which is the same thing.
	I don't know what that is.
	Jesse Simon in Parts Unknown.
	Simonin.
	Simonin.
	Double niggles on the dime.
	Von Glitchka.
	Another one out of place.
	$55.
	Salem, Oregon.
	Russell Gurtin in Palantine, Illinois.
	$51.
	Herb Lamb in Sugar Hill, Georgia.
	Big fan of the Snowden deconstruction.
	And whoops!
	Dylan Hedrick in Glen Burnie, Maryland.
	First time donor.
	Oh, it's in honor of his first new human resource, Kara.
	Born on the 26th.
	Yeah.
	It's a birthday.
	A birthday zero.
	Let me put it...
	So, hold on.
	It was Dylan Hedrick for Kara?
	Okay, I'll put it on.
	Kara.
	Kara.
	And the $50 comes in from Matthew Von Kerry in Eastwood, South Australia.
	Joshua Papp in Reservoir Victoria, Australia.
	Marsan Zadowski in Yardville, New Jersey.
	Would like to get that pronunciation down.
	Eric Brunn in West St.
	Paul, Minnesota.
	Alan Klelland in Dundee, Angus, UK. A lot of UKs today.
	Greg Brunsel in...
	Ballymina, UK, another one.
	And finally, Beltia Patsas.
	This is the Perth guy I was thinking of.
	This guy did leave a note, which I believe is here.
	It's a very short note, but I thought I'd read it because he's from Perth, our favorite place.
	I would like to donate the enclosed cash to the show.
	Thank you very much for producing such an excellent podcast.
	Brilliant.
	I hope you keep well.
	Kind regards.
	Not much to it.
	But it was handwritten in longhand.
	So, those get written.
	I want to thank them and everybody else who's donated lesser amounts to show 622.
	It helped us even things out for this week.
	And don't forget, there's another show coming up on Thursday.
	We do this twice a week, whether we like it or not.
	That's right.
	And we're very happy to do it.
	And we appreciate everyone's courage for supporting us.
	And we will, again, as John said Thursday, so please go to Dvorak.org slash NA. Here we go, Sir J.D. celebrates today.
	We say happy birthday to him.
	Nicholas Jumas turns 22, and hopefully he's awake and has gotten over his hangover.
	Peter Colvin turned 27 on the 31st.
	And Dylan Hendrick says happy birthday with your zero birthday.
	Welcome new human resource Cara joined us and the rest of Gitmo Nation on May 26th.
	Happy birthday from all your buddies here at the Best Podcast in the Universe!
	So we have two knightings today.
	Yes, we do.
	Actually, one knighting, one daming, which is always nice to do.
	So we'll get out our blades here.
	There we go.
	Got it.
	Is it there?
	Oh, I see it.
	Li Jiang and D.H. Slammer, step forward.
	Both of you are about to join the illustrious table of knights and dames.
	Thank you very much for your contribution and courage to the best podcast in the universe.
	And the amount of $1,000 or more, I hereby pronounce the Dame Li Jiang and Sir D.H. Slammer, knight and dame of the No Agenda Roundtable for you.
	We have, of course, hookers and blow-rim boys and Chardonnay, hot pants and booze, long-haired heavy metal guys and scotch wenches and beer, Ruben S. Women and rosé, vodka and vanilla, bong hits and bourbons, sparkling cider and escorts, or if you wish, mutton and mead.
	And head on over to noagendanation.com slash rings.
	Pick them up.
	I'm going to enter your information there, and Eric, we'll get it out to you as soon as possible.
	And thank you again.
	It is people like you, like our knights and dames, who make it all work.
	And also, make me feel safe as a policy in general that I know wherever I am in the world, no matter what happens.
	There's one around.
	One tweet.
	What?
	I said there's always one around now.
	One tweet, and I know I'll be safe from whatever's going on.
	That's what I always say to Ms.
	Mickey.
	If I drop dead, no matter where you are, one tweet and you're taken care of.
	You know, one of the things that we've talked about over the years, we've gotten one guy to respond, I think, and probably never going to get any much more than that, is the Indians being cheap.
	And, well, you know, they also have this, they apparently have this rape problem.
	And this is one of the more disgusting stories, and they can't seem to get a handle on it, but you know there's 25,000 rapes in India yearly.
	Well, it's like every few seconds.
	What is that on the scale?
	I mean, how many people live in India?
	There's a lot of people.
	Yeah, a billion.
	Okay.
	Well, how many rapes?
	I mean, it's per capita pretty high, and these are just the reported ones.
	It's a problem.
	I mean, when you have a situation like this that's big news in most of the overseas outlets about these two girls that were gang-raped.
	Ah, yes, yes, yes, yes.
	So there's just a little background on it here just to remind our Indian non-contributors that...
	We have our eye on you.
	We follow your news.
	Ah!
	Two Indian police officers have been fired, accused of failing to help search for two missing girls.
	The teenagers were later found dead, hanging from a tree.
	According to autopsy results, they were gang-raped in a village north of India.
	The policemen have been charged with criminal conspiracy as they refused to file a complaint from the teenager's family.
	When this man, father of one of the victims, went to police to report the girls went missing, they refused to help him.
	A constable came to my house and informed me that my daughter had been found hanging from a tree.
	I want the CBI to investigate the case.
	I do not trust the police.
	Facing strong criticism on national media, authorities have fired and arrested two police officers who failed to take action and arrested several suspects.
	Students protesting in New Delhi criticize the government for failing to defend women.
	Officially, 25,000 rapes are committed in India every year.
	When this story came out, I'm thinking there's a reason for this.
	There's got to be some angle.
	Are we trying to get something out of them?
	Have they messed up?
	Are we trying to screw someone out of office?
	This is going on constantly.
	And they also have infanticide is big in India where they kill the women babies.
	It's like, this is not news stories.
	And of course, we had the thing where Hillary and apparently the State Department was going after India, at least the Modi contingent, which I don't know if you read that article.
	I did, I did.
	I put it in the show notes under India.
	And so there's something screwy going on with us in India, and a lot of it has to do with this new prime minister, Modi, who is going to shake things up some way, shape, or form, and I'm not sure.
	We're jockeying for position.
	We've dropped Hillary Clinton, according to this article.
	She was out to get Modi.
	Hmm.
	And this policy has been changed now that Modi became, they were trying to keep him from becoming prime minister.
	I think Hillary was pushing for one of the female candidates or something.
	There's something screwy going on with India that we're going to have to keep a little tighter eye on because I think it's going to result in some activity in India.
	Probably that whole region.
	Modi is a business-oriented, kick-ass character of some sort.
	I was watching some...
	On Roku, there's a bunch of weird, obscure channels you can get, including...
	Yeah, yes.
	You can get Vivid on there, too, you know.
	You can also get us.
	Yes, correct.
	But there's a bunch of stuff from India that plays, and all it is is...
	Indian televisions, a lot of these channels seem to consist of Like Fox News on steroids, where you have four people screaming at each other about something.
	And I was watching the Modi debates, and they're yelling, what an asshole this guy is, and now he's the best thing that ever happened to the country, and they're yelling.
	And something's up.
	And I think this rape story really puts a focus on it.
	I have a clip...
	This is the second half of the show, officially, right?
	Hold on.
	No, not until we officially open it.
	Attention all human resources.
	Now entering second half of show.
	All right.
	Second half of show.
	I caught this on the History Channel, of course, which is all about aliens and Nazis.
	There's not much else on there anymore.
	Or the combination thereof.
	Aliens, Nazis, and flying saucers.
	Often is the combination.
	Well, the flying saucers that went down to the South Pole were obviously Nazi warcraft.
	We all know this.
	Yeah.
	Now, there was a little thing that came up with these waitresses that are living outside of Area 51, and they've been working there for 20, 30 years.
	And one of them describes that, and I figure I've got one of the great experts on space aliens, you almost met one once, You hope to, but you did, of course.
	You're like a world-class expert.
	I am the oracle.
	I am the alien oracle.
	I want to know if what this woman says is correct.
	She describes a variety of aliens.
	Well, you can play the clip, and then I want to hear from you if this is accurate.
	Okay, here we go.
	A lot of people have actually worked at Area 51, and they have told me that they worked with beings who were from another planet.
	And they said there's more than one kind.
	A large and a small nose gray, a reptile, an orange, a blue, and the humanoids.
	I don't think that there's yet a complete story on what may be over that hill.
	I mean, I'm obviously familiar with the grays and the tall blondes.
	Orange and blue?
	This is new to me.
	Well, I'll go over them.
	A small and a large-nosed gray.
	Yeah, okay, yes.
	And then there's the orange and the blue and the reptiles and the humanoids.
	Now, the humanoids would be the blonde ones that you're talking about.
	I would think that would be the tall blondes.
	The reptiles, of course, would be the Queen of England and the royal family in Great Britain.
	Well, just look at them.
	Hello.
	The orange and the blue is completely...
	I've never heard this either, so I thought you might know something.
	I'm not familiar with the orange and the blue.
	I have a feeling, though, that we will be educated on this very quickly.
	I have a feeling.
	Yeah, you might be right.
	We will get some information very, very quickly.
	I had...
	Let's see.
	I have some follow-up on our Roger Dodger coverage.
	This would be Elliot Rodger, D-G-E-R. Roger Dodger is the heading in the show notes.
	Mainly for the politicization of the issue.
	And of course Mike Thompson is back with his bill.
	And this is very disturbing to me for a number of reasons.
	We listened to him, he did a little press conference.
	After reintroducing the...
	Let me give you the name of the bill, because that was very specifically interesting.
	The...
	The Gun Violence Prevention Task Force is what he is the chair of, and the name of the bill...
	Why can't I find this?
	Promoting Healthy Minds for Safer Communities Act of 2014.
	That's a good one.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So let's have a little listen to where their heads are at in this one.
	It closes loopholes that are in our current gun laws and does this by prohibiting the purchase or the possession of a firearm by certain groups of individuals.
	I would like to remind you that what we know about Elliot Rodger is that he apparently was on the autism scale.
	And was known as an Asperger's, or an Aspie, as we call them.
	Although most people disclaim this, this was not disclaimed in this particular introduction of this bill.
	Just because you are on the autism spectrum, as defined by the DSM, doesn't necessarily mean you are mentally ill, or that you have a mental health problem.
	This is in fact a slippery slope we are on.
	These are people who have been convicted of stalking.
	There are people subject to involuntary outpatient commitment.
	This is the dangerous one.
	Involuntary outpatient commitment means that you can be forced to go see a psychiatrist under certain circumstances by a judge.
	And, you know, there's no reason to think that a number of people could not band together, in Austin specifically, and say, yeah, we think Mr.
	Curry should have some outpatient treatment.
	It's about time, don't you think?
	And people who are previously, there's one category regarding domestic abusers, and we expand on that.
	We expand to include other domestic abusers.
	Right now, it's mostly spouses.
	Oh, okay, mostly spouses.
	And it's only spouses and people who cohabitate.
	But the truth is we've expanded it to include other folks who fall into that domestic abuser.
	Well, we don't know yet.
	There's no full tax category.
	We also build on the partnership between the federal and the state government.
	Mm-hmm.
	Yeah, that's some partnership we got going on there.
	We provide grants so states can create laws that allow law enforcement to get a warrant.
	This is the problem.
	So there's money to be had.
	States are going, oh, this mental health thing, that sounds interesting.
	We should go get some of that money.
	To remove firearms from the possession of any individuals who are of danger to themselves or others.
	As determined by who or how, this is going to be very interesting.
	So, if someone has determined that you are a danger to yourself, which is still a personal issue, I think, Then they are going to come in and remove your firearms.
	We heard most recently in this last tragedy in Santa Barbara where a parent informed law enforcement that they had concerns about their son.
	Their son, sadly, Killed a number of people.
	And what we want to do is make sure when there is a concern expressed that law enforcement is educated, they know what's available to them, what tools are available to them, and there's a process, a legal process through the warrant process, to be able to take guns away from those folks to ensure that they don't do any harm to themselves or others.
	Now the problem with this, of course, is that three of the victims in Santa Barbara were killed in their sleep, presumably by a knife, but we don't even know.
	It was categorized as a sharp object, which could have been a pencil or whatever.
	Or anything, yeah.
	So how is this going to work?
	Are we going to take away all, just put you in a straitjacket so you can't do harm to yourself or anyone else?
	I find these very troubling.
	And of course, as I've said many times, this will not end with removal of firearms.
	There will be prohibition on where you can go.
	We don't think you can be around children.
	We don't think you should be within a mile of a school zone.
	We don't think you should go anywhere near a public swimming pool.
	This is a very, very dangerous precedent.
	But to take it one step, so that's the gun angle.
	That's where a yellow six-pointed star.
	Well, it's about to get worse.
	This is from MSNBC, and again, I'm just tracking the messaging and the politicization of this particular event.
	This is MSNBC, and in this particular conversation, there is a professional, a doctor...
	I don't know exactly what his qualifications are, but he is going to say something very interesting.
	And also Jonathan Metzel, professor of psychiatry at Vanderbilt University.
	Thanks for being here, both of you.
	So Jonathan, here's my question.
	We talked briefly last week, but we've had an opportunity to read and see so much more.
	Is misogyny a mental illness?
	And if it is, should it be a mental illness that should keep someone from being able to purchase a gun?
	Well, the short answer is yes.
	Okay.
	The short answer is yes.
	Misogyny is a mental illness.
	That is a great catch.
	It's frightening to me, John.
	This is not just...
	This is frightening.
	This is a professor saying...
	So, if misogyny is...
	What professor was this again?
	Do we know?
	Yeah, let me just roll it.
	You want to roll it back?
	We'll play it again.
	And also Jonathan Metzl, professor of psych...
	Jonathan Metzl, psychiatry at Vanderbilt University.
	Thanks for being here, both of you.
	So, Jonathan, here's my question.
	After, you know, we talked briefly last week, but we've had an opportunity to read and see so much more.
	Is misogyny a mental illness?
	And if it is, should it be a mental illness that should keep someone from being able to...
	To purchase a gun.
	Will, the short answer is yes.
	He has a longer explanation, which I do want to play, but I just need to stop at this and say...
	First of all, misogyny, depending on which dictionary you look at, it will say hatred of women or hatred and extreme dislike of women.
	For this to be categorized as a mental illness, I think you could say...
	Islamophobia, homophobia, racism.
	All of these could thus be deemed a mental illness.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's what they want to do.
	Anti-Semitism.
	This is all part of the freedom of speech problem.
	They're going to crack down.
	Anti-Semitism, mental illness.
	But now, take this one step further.
	The kids in school, no girls allowed with the Z at the end there in their little clubhouse.
	Mental illness.
	Give the kids drugs.
	Ha ha ha.
	When I say on the show, John, is she hot?
	That is categorized by many women as a misogynistic statement, i.e.
	a mental ill man is speaking.
	Yes, well, I've known that for a while.
	Let's listen to the rest of his explanations.
	The long answer is, you know, I left the show last week actually feeling almost kind of depressed that here we go again.
	We've had this shooting.
	I almost don't even want to see you on the show.
	I love seeing you.
	We're friends.
	But I thought, here we go again.
	This is going to be another blame issue of, oh, mental illness caused it, and it's this diagnosed mental illness that caused it.
	And I think what we've seen in the aftermath of this shooting is we've actually shifted this conversation from the individual pathology of an individual shooter into a broader conversation about what the shooter represented in a way, which was men who mistake conquest for intimacy and respond with violence when they don't get what they want.
	I think gender has been the kind of white elephant in the room of a lot of these mass shootings, and we've been too slow to recognize the role of gender and misogyny in this.
	And I've actually felt almost encouraged that, you know, in a way, what we've seen as a response to this gun proliferation rhetoric isn't less guns, it's feminism in a way.
	I mean, yes, all women and all these conversations that have been happening have been very encouraging as rhetorics to displace this crazy masculinized rhetoric of guns.
	The crazy masculinized rhetoric of guns.
	Did you notice the mixed metaphor in there?
	Which one?
	This represents the white elephant in the room.
	Is it a white elephant or is it the elephant in the room?
	No, it's the white elephant.
	It's the white elephant in the room.
	The white male elephant in the room, I might point out.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I think it was a Freudian slip.
	If you are a gay man, are you a misogynist?
	If you're a lesbian who literally will say that she hates men, is she mentally ill?
	According to this, yes.
	But let's take it one step further.
	I told you this would happen and here it is.
	So often after an act of mass violence, we're left asking why.
	But this perpetrator told us the reason for his rampage.
	This man was angry with women.
	Not just the women who lived in his neighborhood who were members of sororities at the nearby University of California, Santa Barbara.
	This man was angry with all women.
	In a 141-page document, he wrote, quote, I cannot kill every single female on Earth, but I can deliver a devastating blow that will shake all of them to the core of their wicked hearts.
	It's his clear misogynist motivation and the videos and treatises documenting it that moves this act of violence into the category of terrorism.
	There you go.
	It's terrorism.
	Terrorism and mental illness.
	I think the police...
	Listen to the explanation.
	Hold on back one second.
	...that moves this act of violence into the category of terrorism.
	Terrorism never has the immediate victims as the sole target.
	Terrorism subjects the whole categories of people to the fear that they could be targeted solely for their identity and subjected to brutality and even murder.
	That was this killer's goal.
	And honestly, since last week, many women have felt more afraid.
	Now, we know we're not actually any more vulnerable today than we were last Friday afternoon before this happened.
	And yet many are wondering if the stakes are higher than we've ever imagined.
	If you could be risking your life by turning down a potential suit or simply ignoring a catcall on the street.
	So we've gone from mental illness to terrorism.
	Yes.
	Well, things move fast in this world.
	And I do want to say that while I completely agree that women have major problems with verbal, mental and physical abuse...
	I just need to point out two things.
	And by the way, yes, all women, again, I have nothing to say, but you're absolutely right.
	And I take my own responsibility for my own actions, and if I see injustice, I will say it and point it out.
	I think I've always propagated a message of respect for all people, regardless of gender, sexuality, etc., But the culture is working against everybody.
	I mean, as long as we have culture being used essentially to commercialize Gender and sexuality, which is just turn on the television.
	If you don't drink this beer, you're not going to get laid.
	If you don't drive this car, you're not going to get laid.
	Oh, by the way, if you have that Google self-driving car, I guarantee you're not getting laid, that's for sure.
	Hello, hello girls.
	Hi.
	Hello girls.
	Let me just write that down.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	On the other hand, I also have to say, Ms.
	Mickey was watching Mad Men yesterday.
	It has gotten a lot better for women, too.
	You know, it has gotten better.
	We're not there, and there's a lot of work to be done.
	But I don't think we've gone backwards.
	Not even with this event.
	No, but I still believe that this is still all a smokescreen for an attack on freedom of speech.
	This always boils down to, at some point, hate speech.
	Yes, hate speech.
	Well, it starts with hate crimes, which are now a new category.
	A crime is a crime, but now you have a hate crime, which is extra special.
	Then it comes into hate speech, which is going to be...
	It's already illegal in European countries.
	Right, and you can't say anything you want to say on your blog or on the podcast.
	Yeah.
	But there's this word that just keeps cropping up, not to change the subject completely, but I do want to transition to Hillary, because I mentioned in the newsletter, but you use the word over and over, and they use the word over and over, politicization.
	It's funny, I only use it once.
	But it's like, this is a meme that you didn't use it once.
	These other people use it a bunch.
	I don't know if you used it, because it's hard to say.
	I can barely pronounce it, exactly.
	I can barely pronounce it, but it's said a lot now.
	Even though, if you think about any of these, something that's important to the society, it tends to get politicized.
	It just naturally tends to get politicized, because...
	The only way you can deal with much of this stuff is through the political mechanism.
	What else is there?
	There's nothing.
	So Hillary's decided to use the politicization meme as a way of not talking about Benghazi.
	So she leaks...
	Bull crap.
	Leaks a chapter of her book as a defensive maneuver because this Benghazi thing isn't going away anytime soon.
	And this is what I found this to be interesting.
	This is a little clip of it on CBS. Excerpt leaked out today from Hillary Clinton's upcoming new book.
	in which she defends her handling of the 2012 terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya that killed four Americans.
	The former Secretary of State accuses critics of trying to politicize the tragedy.
	Her book entitled Hard Choices is published by Simon& Schuster, a division of CBS. Nancy Cordes has the details.
	Hillary Clinton titled her chapter on Benghazi, Under Attack, a reference to both the 2012 assault and the onslaught of congressional investigations in its wake.
	Even today, there are questions being raised.
	A new Benghazi committee created by Republicans just this month.
	In excerpts first published by Politico today, Clinton writes, those who exploit this tragedy over and over as a political tool minimize the sacrifice of those who served our country.
	GOP lawmakers say Clinton and the administration still need to explain why requests for more security in Libya were rejected and why no one has been arrested or punished for the attack.
	House Speaker John Boehner.
	Is she right?
	Are Republicans politicizing the Benghazi attacks?
	This was about one issue and one issue only.
	And that is getting the truth for the American people and the truth about what happened to Benghazi for the four families who lost their loved ones there.
	But Clinton argues there is a difference between unanswered questions and unlistened to answers and suggests she's done giving answers.
	I will not be a part of a political slugfest over Benghazi, she writes, and those who insist on politicizing the tragedy will have to do so Without me.
	Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi.
	So she's trying to opt out.
	Yeah.
	I don't think that's going to fly.
	Oh, no.
	Eh, well, I don't know.
	But this is a meme now.
	It's bad somehow to politicize.
	Why is it bad to politicize?
	I mean, what's bad about it?
	Because then you're blocking progress.
	Well, that's kind of, here's what he did.
	This is what the kind of progress we're talking about blocking.
	We have a situation in the United States where nobody can get work because nobody, the manufacturing is leaving the country.
	It's all being done in China and there's all kinds of other issues.
	So we have a high unemployment.
	But because it's actually, if you boil it down, it's because of the Republicans.
	I want to play this Tom Hartman.
	Oh, no, not Tom.
	Yes, this is this is classic.
	Oh, boy.
	Go?
	Yeah.
	So many people who are unemployed need to go to work.
	There's so much opportunity.
	There's so much wealth in this country.
	There's so much good that could be done if we could just stop the Republican obstruction.
	And so, on the one hand, you know, I'm not afraid of the disaster of the Republicans taking over because I know how I've seen that movie before.
	We've all seen that movie before.
	We see that movie every 80 years in this country and sometimes more frequently than that.
	We also saw it in 1896.
	What is he?
	Historian?
	Historian Tom Hartman?
	What is he talking about?
	Why do you even watch that?
	He'd be full employment if it wasn't for the Republicans.
	Why do you watch that guy?
	What is wrong with these people?
	Why do you even watch that guy?
	I keep watching and trying to get the radiation report.
	Did he stop?
	He's not doing the radiation report?
	I think somebody finally gave him a clue that nobody's interested.
	Oh, that's lame.
	Well, I have some funny stuff here.
	First, actually not funny, but important, something very important happened, which went pretty much unreported.
	It took years of negotiation to reach this point, and differences remain among the signatories.
	But Belarus' leader says the deal is a mutually acceptable compromise.
	At the opening ceremony in Astana, the capital of Kazakhstan, Russian President Vladimir Putin said the new union was of historic significance.
	The economic cooperation between Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan is widening.
	Trade is developing.
	The proportion of high-tech goods is expanding and our country's competitive edge in the global economy is increasing.
	The pact covers free trade among the member states, the coordination of their financial systems, and the regulation of industrial and agricultural policies, labor markets, and transport networks.
	This is a pretty big deal.
	This block that Putin is putting together.
	Putin!
	And this is, of course, to, you know, there's multiple blocks.
	The EU now, they're ready to sign the treaty, the, what do they call it, the friends and family agreement there with Ukraine, Moldova.
	And one I'm missing, Transanista?
	Maybe?
	No, no, that's Moldova.
	It's just, it's positioning, turf, all the typical stuff, it's all the same.
	And Greece is now interested in building the South Stream section in its territory, so all this stuff that's being blocked through Ukraine might go through the southern route, which the EU is now trying to The EU Commission is trying to freeze.
	It's just all more of the same.
	The Klitschko brothers are interesting, though.
	I never really focused on them.
	Vitaly Klitschko is the mayor of Kiev now.
	And he was the Euromaidan guy, right?
	Right.
	And they're both boxers.
	Yeah, Vitaly's retired.
	Which one?
	Oh, Vitaly Klitschko.
	Okay, he's retired.
	They're both boxers.
	They're both heavyweight champs at the same time.
	They're huge, and they're just big guys.
	And this probably came from RT. I can't remember.
	So he's now the mayor of Kiev.
	But it's not going over.
	It's not just a walk in the park.
	People are not quite done with him.
	Vitaly Klitschko gets his first outing as mayor of Kiev.
	She was here.
	She was here.
	The former Maidan leader is perfectly at ease on stage.
	But as soon as he plunges into the crowd, tensions mount.
	You've got to deal with these banks that refuse to give us our money back.
	Did you know this?
	We talked about, yeah, we both knew this.
	It was a while ago, but this became, right after Crimea was taken over by the Russians, the banks all clamped down.
	I didn't know that it was going on.
	Still going on, yeah.
	I think these are either Russian banks in Kiev that have decided to stop giving out money.
	I don't know.
	He tries to enter the parliament building, but he's stopped by mothers of conscripts serving in the east of the country.
	We ask the mayor to bring back our boys safely, in good health and not in coffins.
	We don't want them to become cannon fodder.
	Tough demands which leave the mayor nonplussed.
	Klitschko now wears two hats, one as mayor and one as an MP. His priority is to make Kiev a normal city again.
	Maidan has fulfilled his key function.
	Thanks to Maidan, we now have a new president and other people in power.
	Yeah, good work.
	And every day, tens of people are dying.
	If Victoria Nuland ever comes to your town, leave.
	Yeah, immediately.
	No good can come of it.
	Children of the Eastern...
	The Donbass?
	Yeah.
	The Donbass, yeah, there's a hashtag.
	They ship the kids out because they're just, according to at least some of the reports, they're just shooting up late.
	It's horrible.
	And then this other Klitschko brother, he lives in Beverly Hills.
	Yeah.
	And he's engaged to Hayden Panettiere.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, like the actress, the little starlet from, what is it, Nashville?
	Is that the show?
	Yeah.
	I didn't know.
	I haven't followed the relationships that he's gone through.
	You just got back from Russia.
	I did.
	How was that fight?
	I watched it at home.
	This is Kelly Ripka.
	And she has Hayden Panettiere on.
	On TV, it was amazing to watch.
	It was great.
	It was pretty intense, the political situation between Russia and Ukraine.
	So this other Klitschko brother, he's just hanging out in Russia doing fights.
	A little funny and Vlad's brothers in politics.
	And they're both Olympic gold medalists.
	But he did an amazing job.
	Amazing.
	I have to think, when you're there and you're a boyfriend, I'm sort of distracted not just by the snake, but there's a very large diamond ring on your ring.
	Who cares about people dying and being shot up and children being bombed?
	I'm engaged!
	Does that signify anything?
	Is that a promise of something?
	It might be.
	I think it speaks roots.
	Are you engaged?
	I am.
	Congratulations!
	Congratulations!
	We're getting married to a Klitschko!
	Yep.
	Long, long-winded note from Imad Ulad, I guess is how you pronounce it.
	Dutch Moroccan.
	Did you get this note, right?
	I did.
	I did.
	It's too long to read the whole thing, but I want to read part of it.
	And then get your reaction.
	Okay.
	He says he's 33 years old.
	Moroccan descent.
	He was born and raised in the Netherlands, though.
	No coincidence.
	33 years old.
	I have...
	I've been listening to this show podcast since 426, and I'm a producer.
	This is my take on Wilders, and it might give you some more insight into the situation.
	Wilders.
	Wilders, I'm sorry.
	I'm just reading.
	In the last election, when he won a lot of seats in Parliament, the strangest thing happened, and about when...
	About which, I see he's got it spelled wrong, about which no one talks about.
	He received 72% of his votes from the home state and the most southern state, Lindbergh.
	Right.
	I live there.
	People have originally...
	Mostly farmers in a lot of small villages.
	They simply don't like the strangers.
	They are not all racist.
	And he goes on to explain that it's not a...
	He says that Wilder screwed up because it wasn't a Muslim angle.
	It's a pure Moroccan problem.
	Goes on to say there are a few...
	There are a few who are really screwing it up for the rest of us, and I hate them as most of the Moroccan community does.
	But that happens in all countries in the world.
	And he goes on to say that we were misinterpreting the...
	I'm, I'm, okay.
	And if he dropped a Muslim thing, he'd be better off.
	But it was specifically a quote from Wilders who said, what are we going to do with all the Moroccans?
	That actually, that was the quote that turned everybody against him, interestingly enough.
	Right, it wasn't any Muslim.
	It was not a Muslim quote.
	So I'm not too sure.
	But without doubt, he's correct.
	That it is the, let's just call them the bad Moroccans, that's how the Dutch speak of them, that are causing the problems.
	But in a grander scale, it is unavoidable to speak of the third wave of the Ottoman Empire, which is not just in the Netherlands, but the wave is going across all of Europe.
	So I'm not quite sure what to make of our producer's email other than, well, of course, you know, it's a generalization.
	And maybe that was Wilder's problem, is that he generalized what are we going to do with the Moroccans instead of the shitty ones.
	Who are making real problems for...
	really against the entire culture of the Netherlands of a very liberal, free-loving society where, you know, you used to be able to hold hands with your same-sex partner in the street and now you can't do that anymore for fear of some crazy Moroccan coming up and kicking you.
	Or a huge misogynistic vibe...
	From Moroccans towards women in general.
	The misogynistic Moroccans.
	The M&M's.
	But of course, you can't generalize and say all Moroccans.
	And I think maybe that's where Wilders made his mistake.
	And people said, you know...
	But again, there's so much history of persecution in the Netherlands of certain groups that I... You know, they just played it wrong.
	And the other political parties spun it in a smart way and screwed them up.
	With the help of the media.
	Well, of course.
	Of course with the help.
	That's how it always works.
	Yeah.
	Talking about the media screwing things up.
	So I'm listening to VanCat, and they had this report on the new trends in wine.
	And I kind of keep up with the wine business.
	And I was actually stunned by what is an erroneous report.
	It is essentially all lies.
	Right.
	There was a new thing going on in France where they're putting wine in vials.
	And you can buy a little vial, which is about a glass of wine.
	And you can buy wine by the glass in these vials.
	And then they came up with this wine in cans nonsense.
	And I want to talk about this because this is bull crap.
	In these times of fast food restaurants and eating on the go, another unusual product is appearing on shelves in trendy grocery stores across Paris.
	Canned wine.
	Cédric Segal launched the concept a year ago and currently has three classified controlled designation of origin wines from the Languedoc region to choose from.
	We decided on an individual 187 milliliter format, which is one quarter of a bottle.
	We developed a special coating for the inside so there is no contact in the wine and the metal.
	It's like a layer of food grade lacquer.
	There are two coatings and addresses a problem of reactions due to acidity and alcohol levels so the wine can be kept in the cupboard for a few months, a few years.
	The wine is canned with nitrogen, a neutral gas that allows the wine to retain its aroma.
	Although some purists will be saying it's a crime to sell wine in cans, Cédric believes it will bring growth to the industry.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	I've got to straighten some stuff out of it because it really galls me that the media does this.
	They produce these phony reports, more native advertising as far as I can tell.
	First of all, my first visit to France was in the 70s.
	I brought back a can of wine specifically because it was a great conversation piece.
	I brought a couple cans of this Beaujolais that was canned commonly in France in the 70s.
	So this guy didn't invent anything.
	But he'd make it sound like he's invented stuff.
	Then they also said we developed a coating.
	Okay.
	Point of information number two, I worked in the Kaiser Aluminum can factory one summer when I was going to college.
	And I'm very familiar with the coatings that they put inside cans because there's no such thing as an uncoated can.
	can.
	You can't do it.
	So they're all coated.
	They've always been coated.
	There's two coatings, which is the two he talks about.
	One's a lacquer coating and the other's an epoxy coating.
	They used to use the lacquer coating for mild things, you know, just nothing important.
	But in anything, they had a little bite to it, a little phosphoric acid, let's say, like Coca-Cola.
	They had to use this heavy-duty coating, which is what they'd be using for the wine.
	This whole story was bullshit.
	Yeah.
	Well, and you're surprised?
	And this is France, a country that makes a lot of wine.
	No, I'm not surprised, but I'm surprised it was France producing this phony story.
	And Languedoc wines?
	Please.
	The Beaujolais would be better.
	Uh-huh.
	Anyway, I'm sorry.
	It's just a little irked.
	I was irked.
	Irked, I'm telling you.
	I think it's okay.
	Okay.
	You know what?
	I'm going to stop you right there.
	We should get out of here.
	Are you going up to Petaluma?
	No.
	Really?
	No.
	Oh, today would be a good day for you.
	Why?
	Well, because the stories will be Facebook can now listen to you through your microphone on your smartphone and the Google driverless cars.
	Yeah, I guess.
	It's going to be Bonanza.
	It would be fantastic.
	Oh, that's too bad.
	Alrighty.
	Well, good.
	Take the rest of the day off.
	Yeah, we've got things to do.
	Ah!
	Is everyone still down there?
	By the way, Mimi posted pictures of Buzzkill Jr.'s wedding on Facebook.
	Yeah.
	I know you don't have Facebook, so I'll tell you.
	You're funny, man.
	So here's the family.
	And Buzzkill Jr., is he now 8 feet tall?
	What happened to him?
	He looks like he's 8'9".
	He's up 6'2".
	Yeah.
	And there's Lovely Bride, and there's Mimi, and there's John.
	In every picture, you're popping your head out behind someone going, That's the picture she chose.
	I don't know.
	You're like the crazy uncle that's photobombing.
	Yeah, that would be me.
	The crazy uncle photobombing.
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	And we will be back on Thursday bringing you more analysis that no one else can do, apparently.
	Yeah, why is that?
	Why do you have to get it all from a podcast?
	Ask yourself.
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	And from northern Silicon Valley, where the weather has turned sour, I'm John C. Dvorak.
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