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	We'll hit it.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, November 28th, 2013.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 5.
	This is no agenda.
	And today I am thankful for your courage.
	From the Travis Heights Hideout in Austin, Texas, in the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And whoops, from Northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	What did you lose your script?
	No, I was just looking at the Twitter because I tweeted right after you tweeted that we're on the air.
	And I noticed that there's a post by me that I never posted.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	It's funny you mention this, because yesterday...
	Now, Miss Mickey is gone, so I'm all alone here, and I'm just...
	What I do is I basically bring everything into the studio.
	I don't need anything else.
	I don't need a house.
	I got the aero bed.
	I mean, I'm living in the studio.
	And I check Facebook to see if she's posted any pictures from the gig that she's doing in Los Angeles.
	And all of a sudden I get a bloop.
	I get an instant message from this girl.
	Remember the girl who was at the reunion?
	I told you the reunion, the radio reunion in Amsterdam?
	No.
	You didn't tell me anything about a radio reunion about the girl?
	Yes, we did.
	I told you I had a reunion and one of the girls who was there was our assistant back in the 80s, but she's now this huge television personality.
	How big is she?
	Right.
	Well, she's very famous.
	Let's put it that way.
	Oh, I see what you're saying.
	I'm sorry.
	I misunderstood.
	And because, of course, I've been working out, you know, doing this spin class for a couple months...
	Oh, okay.
	You're changing the story.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	This was the entire reason to say yes.
	Because I knew all these people would be...
	To go to the reunion.
	Okay.
	Because I knew all these people would be, you know, overweight and wrinkled.
	I'm like, this is great.
	I'm going to walk in and go, hey...
	Yeah, you're going to be looking good.
	That's right.
	Look at my girlish figure.
	So she was there, and she's seriously a huge celebrity now.
	Like really, I told you this, like Oprah level almost.
	Okay.
	And for Holland, which isn't saying that much.
	That's a big deal.
	So, you know, it was great catching up with her.
	She literally could not keep her hands off of me.
	Understandable.
	So Mickey, I guess, is flying to L.A., so she can't hear any of this.
	Oh, no.
	Mickey's the one that said, it's okay as long as you don't put more than the tip in, it's okay.
	Welcome to the show, ladies and gentlemen.
	You've not heard Noah Gentry before you're...
	You're confused.
	But the point is, so I get this instant message from her saying something which is actually relevant to the conversation we had at this reunion.
	And I'm like, yeah?
	And then all of a sudden she's like trying to cybersex me.
	I'm like, hold on a second.
	Seriously, you know, like, hey.
	Hold on.
	Wait a minute.
	I'm not kidding.
	And I'm like, wow, this is weird.
	And so I'm like real cagey.
	I'm like, what are you talking about?
	She's like, you know what I'm good at.
	You know what I'm good at.
	I'm like, what do you mean?
	Why don't you tell me what you're good at?
	And it was back and forth.
	I'm like, okay, this is weird.
	So I email her.
	This is IMs?
	How are you doing this?
	I think it pops up as a message.
	So yeah, I think it's like a Facebook.
	What kind of cyberspace are these pop-up messages?
	I know, and I'm like, whatever you're planning on, I'm certainly not going to do it on Facebook.
	Yeah, so I email her, I say, is this you?
	Maybe she's got one of those shows that are just going to humiliate people.
	Well, you know, I think something like that was going on, because I email her, she says, oh, I don't even have a Facebook account.
	I'm like, well, you may want to check this, because it sure looks like your Facebook account, and you're cyber-sexing me.
	Oh, somebody was trying to set you up.
	Yes, exactly.
	Nice.
	And I was not having it, which I'm very happy about.
	Because you know how easy it is to be like, yeah, baby, what are you wearing?
	I mean...
	Look at Curry, what a douchebag!
	You know how easy it would be to trick me really into doing that.
	I'd be like, yeah, yeah, cool.
	So, whew, dodged a bullet and I'm thankful for it.
	There you go, a long way to go.
	But hey, everybody.
	In the morning!
	It is, of course, Thanksgiving Day.
	Also, Happy Hanukkah, which I think happens once every 10,000 years that...
	Hanukkah falls on Thanksgiving.
	So, I'm not quite sure how that works.
	I don't know what it means, but it means something.
	I've had a lot of people email me over, and I want to mention this before I forget, about, what's your turkey recipe?
	How are you going to have a special turkey recipe?
	Are you going to send one out?
	Really?
	Yeah, like more than five.
	Interesting.
	And these were No Agenda listeners or just your fans in general?
	Well, no.
	No Agenda listeners are, you know, a lot of my fans are No Agenda listeners and they're the ones who seem to be focusing on the cooking.
	Right.
	Well...
	You know, there's so many, I just want to say there's so many...
	What I recommend to people is go on Google and type in turkey, roast turkey, because there's other ways of cooking it, but roast turkey.
	And then read five recipes and then just synthesize one.
	Essentially, you just have to season this bird.
	Make sure you clean out his guts with some lemon juice or something.
	And then either put stuffing in or not.
	A lot of people, oh, you don't put the stuffing in, you're going to die!
	Yeah.
	Hey, that sounds like my guy who's always weird at me.
	Oh, don't put the stuffing in the bird, you'll die!
	Yeah, just like bull crap.
	Yeah, if you don't know what you're doing, you might.
	But you probably just actually just get sick of salmonella.
	Anyway, and then just do it.
	It's just generally 20 minutes.
	It's not that hard.
	It's not that hard.
	And by the way, seasoning, I just say salt.
	Just go with salt.
	Get salt to the skin and it works.
	I'm going to do something interesting, though, and I will write it up if it's any good.
	JC's fiancee is off of all wheat grain products.
	This is good, actually.
	Probably.
	And I was going to put a stuffing in it.
	She was like, why are you going to do that?
	I can't eat wheat.
	I can't have gluten!
	And so I said, well, I'm not going to give you any of it.
	And I said, nah, maybe I should be creative here.
	I'm going to make a diced apple dressing with dried cranberries, dates, Can you throw some quinoa and kale in there?
	No, no, that's a grain.
	Quinoa's a grain.
	Oh, that's right.
	I'm not putting kale in the dressing.
	It's forbidden.
	So it's going to be an apple dressing, and I'm going to see how it comes out.
	It should be kind of like an applesauce.
	Turkey-flavored applesauce is hot.
	If it's any good, I'll write it up.
	If it sucks, you'll write it up.
	If it sucks, we'll write it up, too.
	No.
	But if you put some kale in there, you could call it a super stuffing.
	Kale.
	Maybe I should, but I do have some.
	I did buy some black kale, some dino kale to play with.
	And I realize now what the real scam is, because I get a lot of emails, look at this, another public relations thing for kale.
	It's $1.69 for a small bunch of kale, which amounts to, it seems to me, about a quarter pound.
	I'm going to weigh it later.
	Cabbage, which is the same brassica family, is about 69 cents a pound.
	It's a scam.
	It's a money grab.
	It's a total scam.
	It's a rip-off.
	One of our producers sent a camera shot of the newspaper Kampala, Uganda.
	I'm not sure which newspaper it is, but it's under Health and Beauty.
	There's this half-page article with a little basket of kale on the side and two people sitting at a table and it says, you can make juice out of kale.
	And the dude has a green glass of goop and the girl has a red glass of goop.
	I guess she doesn't have the kale.
	But the headline, make kale your new friend with benefits.
	Somebody sent me this, too.
	Friend with benefits.
	What, for the kale stuff?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so we probably got the same.
	I put it in the show notes just because it's so unbelievable.
	You have to see it.
	Yeah, it's pretty bad.
	It's super bad.
	So before we get into the meat of the show, should we at least talk about the Thanksgiving scam?
	The fact that this...
	Well, yes.
	No, this is a tradition here on the No Agenda show.
	Every year on this fake holiday, John explains exactly why it's fake, how it's fake, what it's about.
	And this year, I'm going to add a little something.
	But first, ladies and gentlemen, your annual No Agenda tradition, John explains why Thanksgiving is bogative.
	Okay, first of all, there was a couple of events that took place with the pilgrims and the Indians that were never called Thanksgiving, and they only happened, they were only documented twice, and they weren't even consecutive times, and I think they were in July or something like that.
	But somehow, this woman, and then they were going to try to make this kind of a regular holiday until Jefferson came around.
	Thomas Jefferson said, this is stupid.
	We're not going to do a holiday.
	And so they bailed out on it.
	There was never another Thanksgiving until this woman, Sarah Hale, came around in 1863.
	And she believed that there should be some sort of...
	She was like a religious person and an activist.
	She was an activist community organizer, writer.
	And she had some magazine.
	And so she revitalized the whole idea and created...
	That's when it was created...
	Until then, all the Thanksgivings were, and there were a few, there was maybe five or six from about 1770 to the 1800s, and they were generally commemorative events to honor the dead from various wars, and this seemed like a good time to do it again after the Civil War.
	And so they put Thanksgiving back into play.
	So it is indeed recognized as yet another day to think about our warriors?
	Yes.
	In fact, if you look at...
	They say, well, it's only in the United States.
	That's not true.
	Canada has a Thanksgiving.
	And if you look up the wiki entry on Thanksgiving in Canada, you'll find that it was also used as a way to honor the dead.
	Huh.
	It had nothing to do with pilgrims or having fun with the Indians or any of that stuff at all.
	Well, this is such a disappointment.
	Because I want to have fun with Indians.
	We have...
	There's a couple of funny stories about how they'd have their harvest festival with the Indians one year, then within the next five years they had killed all those same Indians.
	Just a little aside...
	Anyway, one documented Thanksgiving was for a one-shot celebration that was held in 1676.
	It was a generic term for an ad-libbed holiday.
	There's also, during the Roosevelt administration, they tried to move the Thursday up a week because Thanksgiving by then, by the 30s, had become exactly what it is today.
	Commercial.
	The date that marks the beginning of the Christmas shopping holiday.
	And Roosevelt tried to move it up a week...
	Because there's a depression.
	What I understand is that 16 states at the time refused to move it, so we actually had two Thanksgivings in the United States.
	Well, it got so much, so many people objected to it because so many people have been bought into the bullcrap about Thanksgiving.
	Yeah.
	That these idiots in some of these states says, oh, it's a sin.
	You know, we're honoring the pilgrims and the Indians and the great...
	Seriously.
	And so they wouldn't change it because they would be changing God's will or something.
	It was unbelievable.
	And Roosevelt got a lot of pressure, so he moved it back.
	And now we just start shopping earlier.
	Now I think the real mark of the beginning of the Christmas holiday season is when all the decorations go up.
	Oh, which has already happened.
	Yeah, I think so too.
	I think Thanksgiving just makes it official, but Christmas shopping has already begun.
	It began early in November.
	It's a bogus holiday, and by the way, one person said during the late 1800s that it was needed because we needed more holidays.
	At the time, we didn't have Armistice Day and all these things that happened after World War I and after World War II, so we were actually short holidays.
	We didn't have enough holidays.
	So they figured, okay, we'll put this in play and we're going to take a day off.
	And it was actually two days.
	It became two days off.
	And it's the only holiday, interestingly enough, besides Christmas, that has, and New Year's obviously, that all the other holidays have been standardized to happen on a Monday or a Friday based on a law that was passed in 1971.
	What law was that?
	It was the standardization of...
	Oh, really?
	There's a law when holidays can be celebrated?
	Yeah, in 1971, I guess it was the Nixon administration.
	They were sick of the corporate America.
	They were sick of these guys.
	All of a sudden, a Tuesday would be a holiday, or a Thursday would be a holiday, and then people would take long weekends.
	It was killing us.
	The slaves weren't doing their job.
	They were taking off extra days.
	The slaves were just taking too much time off, and so we had to...
	We can't have that in the corporation.
	Put a stop to it.
	Yes.
	That's why all the holidays are on Mondays and Fridays.
	I did not clip this, but I'm just seeing now that the president released his podcast early, and I just glanced at the transcript.
	I think we should play the first 30 seconds of his Thanksgiving address to see if he has it all correct.
	Is he going to let the turkey go?
	No.
	Please don't take me to there.
	That's like the stupidest thing.
	It's so dumb.
	Here, let's check this out.
	Hi, everybody.
	Hi, everybody.
	On behalf of all the Obamas, Michelle.
	What?
	On behalf of all the Obamas, me, the other Obama.
	Sasha, Bo, the newest member of our family, Sonny.
	I want to wish you a happy and healthy Thanksgiving.
	Okay.
	We'll be spending today just like many of you.
	Yeah.
	Come down with family and friends to eat some good food.
	Yeah, except you have a chef.
	All right.
	Watch a little football, and most importantly, count our blessings.
	And as Americans, we have so much to be thankful for.
	Here it comes.
	We give thanks for the men and women who set sail for this land nearly four centuries ago, risking everything for the chance at a better life.
	And the people who are already here, our Native American brothers and sisters, for their generosity during that first Thanksgiving.
	Yeah, see?
	He's propagating the same bullcrap.
	Yeah, it's total bullcrap.
	Their generosity.
	Hey, thanks, Redskins!
	Oops!
	Man, oh man, oh man.
	Alright, well, it is, of course, still a commercial holiday, so you might as well keep the dream alive.
	I mean, why not?
	It's no different than Santa Claus.
	It's fine by me.
	It's a little different than Santa Claus.
	Just that they're teaching it is kind of...
	Let me read this last paragraph.
	This was a blog entry.
	You read the various links.
	The holiday never existed in this form until Lincoln.
	That said, there were a few federal proclamations declaring Thanksgiving for celebratory purposes.
	The first was in 1777.
	Then randomly, in 1795, 1798, 1799, and 1815, most of these were war-related.
	I'm looking at the official proclamation, which is real, which goes into the Federal Register, which is the real deal proclaimed by our President.
	Paragraph 2.
	Our annual celebration has roots in centuries-old colonial customs.
	When we gather around the table, we follow the example of the pilgrims and Wampanoags who shared the fruits of a successful harvest nearly 400 years ago.
	When we offer our thanks, we mirror those who set aside a day of prayer.
	And when we join with friends and neighbors to alleviate suffering and make our communities whole, we honor the spirit of President Abraham Lincoln, who called on his fellow citizens to, quote, fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquility, and union.
	Now, get me some turkey, you Indian shit!
	Oh, I didn't say that.
	I'm sorry.
	So I've got a turkey here that is a heritage bird that weighs seven pounds.
	Which is light.
	That seems light.
	Yeah, it's going to be great.
	When you get a good heritage turkey, the weird thing is I can see why these birds were popular probably from about 18...
	I don't know when they first became part of the deal, about 1880, I guess, through about 1950s.
	Because one of these old heritage birds actually tastes more like pheasant than turkey.
	It doesn't have that stench, that real cheap turkey stench you get from a butterball.
	You know what I'm talking about?
	I know exactly.
	When you walk into the house, you're just gagging.
	Yeah, it's a stench.
	This is the same with farmed salmon.
	It has a stink, and then a bunch of white milk comes out of it.
	Oh, when you cook it in that white goo.
	Stop.
	You cannot eat salmon anymore.
	You can't.
	There is almost no fresh salmon to be found.
	You can get it up in Washington State from the Indians.
	Well, sure.
	Sure.
	But you know what I'm saying.
	Salmon has just basically been ruined by the farming.
	Yeah, no, it stinks.
	It's got that white milk and it has that flavor that is enough to...
	It makes you sick.
	I'm getting sick.
	By the way, I have a home for Thanksgiving today.
	Where are you going?
	I'm going to my friends, John, Chris, and Fritz, and they have promised me a Thanksgiving with cowboys and trannies.
	Cowboys and trannies?
	That's Texas!
	In fact, the tranny is a very famous professor here at UT. Is he a tranny at school?
	Yes, no, completely, yes.
	Yes, she is.
	So is she a transsexual or a transvestite?
	Transsexual, I believe.
	I don't know if she's...
	We'll find out.
	I mean, she's like a molecular...
	Biologist.
	So it's going to be interesting.
	And one of the guys' dad is the cowboy.
	He's like a total Fox News junkie.
	Oh, God.
	It's going to be funny.
	Yeah, it's going to be fun for you.
	That'll be great.
	Fox News is run by the Democrats.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, God.
	I don't know if I have the energy after the show.
	To get into it, yeah.
	Well, it's tonight.
	You might just sit back and relax and watch this guy yak.
	We also have...
	Probably this is the Rush Limbaugh, too.
	Oh, yeah.
	It'll be interesting.
	By the way, Rush Limbaugh, a couple days ago, had a big thing on Thanksgiving.
	Well, he has a book out he's promoting.
	Yeah, he's got a book out he's promoting that's got a little bit to do with it.
	But his Thanksgiving story, I said, oh, the truth about Thanksgiving, he says.
	So I'm reading this thing.
	Oh, well, I guess Rush has finally read some of my material, or the other people that have debunked Thanksgiving.
	No.
	No, Russia says the whole thing is misunderstood.
	When the pilgrims and the Indians got together, it turned out the pilgrims were trying to make it kind of a commune, which doesn't work.
	And the whole thing, when they finally figured out free enterprise, and they started just doing their own thing in a free enterprise, free market way, that's what the celebration was all about.
	It was the celebration of the free market emergence.
	I'm telling you.
	Wow.
	It's like, what?
	Are you insane?
	Yeah, of course he is.
	It's not healthy to listen to people like this too much.
	You can sample, and you should be sampling, but my goodness, because people get sucked into listening to crap like that.
	Yeah, I know.
	So, of course, it's very hard not to gloat, and the timing really could not be better.
	As on Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, I'm looking for the jingle here.
	On Sunday, we have another one of our monthly, very famous...
	It's another installment of...
	Now, I had said that it looked like it was all dead.
	They're on to me, they're not talking to me like they used to.
	But I had quite a Twitter and even Facebook exchange with two of the main players, including the professor, when I somewhat gloatingly posted the link to the fact that the FDA is shutting down 23andMe.
	And first of all, props to the No Agenda show for calling this stuff out for the parlor trick that it is.
	But I was flabbergasted, my new word of the week, when the professor and his wife, Marianne, posted saying, Oh my God, Adam, are you actually on the government side on this one?
	I was like, wow, that's your response?
	That's your response?
	Did you read what the government said?
	Did you read that they're basically calling 23andMe out as regulation dodging hucksters?
	Charlatans.
	Charlatans?
	But it's funny because I stayed on it.
	I'm like, okay.
	And I really went very deep on what is this genetic testing?
	And what are they really doing and where is it coming from?
	And I'd like to share a little bit of my research because when you look into it, there's a lot more than I expected to find.
	And it's even worse than it appeared at the first glance.
	Here, by the way, is the core of the issue.
	The flip side, of course, is that, gee, it's great to be able to get information about my own health for a pretty reasonable price point without having to go to a doctor, pay a ton of money, and have a bunch of regulators standing in the way.
	That is, of course, the argument that 23andMe, other companies like them, make, and it's a powerful one.
	The problem is that our understanding of genetics, especially in the public, is very low and that these tests come not only with limited accuracy but also without the benefit of genetic counseling.
	So imagine that you send your DNA away, you receive news back from 23andMe, this is the kind of information that they do provide, that you're negative for the BRCA1 and BRCA2, those mutations that lead somebody more susceptible to getting certain forms of breast cancer.
	Well, armed with that information, the individual might decide to avoid getting mammograms.
	Well, that decision could be fatal.
	So not having those particular mutations, the BRCA1 and BRCA2 in this case, lowers your genetic risk from about 12.5% to 12.4% of getting breast cancer.
	And so it's clearly a mistake to avoid mammograms.
	But the information you receive back from a company like 23andMe doesn't tell you any of this.
	So here's the things, and again, this was very surprising to me, that a professor who knows better, but this was pretty much what all the obots were saying.
	Can I interrupt you?
	Sure.
	Don't the obots have, as part of their litany, That government regulation is good, and we wouldn't have had this depression if there was more government regulation, and government regulation is good, it's great, it's helpful, it's useful, we need more of it, not less of it?
	This is exactly what was so weird, is that they were calling me out for being on the government side, like, you know, it's crazy that you would be on the government side with this, but here is the, also completely false...
	So here's the posting.
	Download your 23andMe data ASAP if you haven't!
	The FDA doesn't trust you with your own genome!
	Which is not at all what...
	By the way, that's kind of a repost from Discover Magazine.
	This is the take on it.
	That 23andMe...
	That's kind of a douchey way of putting it, don't you think?
	It gets worse.
	Worse than by saying, 23andMe are democratizing health care.
	I'm like, what?
	They're democratizing healthcare?
	So the thinking is that because you can download, you can get your genome and you can download it and analyze it, or in this case, it's analyzed for you, that that somehow is a democratization of healthcare.
	I think it's improper use of the word democracy.
	But when you look into what this analysis is...
	Now, the human genome was decoded in 2003, I think.
	And really, what has come out of it, from all sides, there's been no real players.
	It's been really sad.
	Nothing has really emerged.
	But what we do have is a big database called the SNPedia.
	S-N-P-E-D-I-A.
	And interestingly enough, it's an open source database of these markers that help you understand what certain genes in your genome mean.
	And when you look through it, it's a pretty small set.
	There's some really funny ones in there like RS9332964, which is the S-N-P for micropenis, which I gladly posted.
	And I said, hey, Professor Russ, do you have this gene?
	To which you could only say, well played.
	But there's actually a desktop application called Prometheus, and you can download that, and it takes about four hours on a modern powered computer, and it will do exactly what 23andMe is doing, is it'll take your genome and any of these SMPs, it can identify, it will, and it'll show these to you, and you can take it for what it is.
	You know, it's like, you know, so I guess if you have the RS9332964 gene and you're going to have kids, well, your kid might have a micropenis.
	I guess that's the conclusion.
	But really these risk numbers is the problem with communication of...
	Issues in general that the public is now bought into.
	And we've been tracking this and identifying the 90% are in.
	90% of scientists agree.
	97 now.
	97, 98, 99.
	By the way, this has proven to work.
	We've known this since the 50s.
	When advertising said 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
	That is better than 10 out of 10 dentists.
	This is advertising.
	This is marketing.
	It's well-known, well-researched, well-studied that if you give that 10%, that one dentist, well, he's obviously a shit.
	Clearly this is good, because it's science, because there's one guy who's kind of on the fence or against it, and this works, and this is why it's being used.
	You always know there's a crackpot out there.
	Yeah.
	So the danger, of course, and this is all about the marketing, if you look at 23andMe's website, they are literally talking about...
	Recommendations of things you should talk to your doctor about regarding certain brand name pharmaceuticals, not even the generics or other brands, or even the medical name, the clinical name, the pharmaceutical name, only the brand names.
	And people do not understand how to assess risk.
	So it's the same with terrorism.
	People think that we have to go through all these hoops at the airport because the risk of a terrorist attack is so high when, of course, your risk of actually dying in a terrorist attack is extremely minute.
	It's actually more likely to get struck by lightning.
	Statistically.
	Twice!
	So when I look at what 23andMe is offering, and they don't do their own test.
	They hand it out to CLIA-approved laboratory, and it's the same as the $5,000 or the $4,000 test.
	So I don't think they're even doing that.
	They're outsourcing it, and obviously they're using their $100 million in venture capital to, I guess, to subsidize that.
	But they're making all these recommendations.
	And that, of course, is the problem.
	And that is also the danger.
	And I've spoken to many doctors who say, oh, I get all these people with this 23 of me bullcrap showing up like...
	And people are going to get sick just from thinking about the stuff that they might have, that they have a 56% or a 53% chance of getting.
	So it is indeed poorly marketed.
	But of course, if you really want to...
	It's not poorly marketed at all.
	Well, it's illegally marketed.
	The main thing is, if you want to be the player...
	Then be the player.
	You know, you got your Google money, you got your, because Google is also an investor, as is Sergey Brin personally.
	You can do it right.
	Do it like all the other guys.
	His wife, of course, just runs it.
	Ex-wife.
	But do it right.
	Go pay off everybody the way you're supposed to.
	Do the big test.
	Pay for it.
	Really go in, because otherwise someone else is going to come and eat your lunch, which is happening now.
	And someone forwarded the email to me from Ann Wajishishiki, who is the CEO. Dear 23andMe customers, I want to reach out to you about the FDA letter that was sent to 23andMe last Friday.
	It is absolutely critical that our customers get high-quality genetic data they can trust.
	We have worked extensively with our lab partner to make sure that the results we return...
	We stand behind the data that we return to customers, but we recognize that the FDA needs to be convinced of the quality of our data as well.
	Which is a lie, because this is not what the letter says.
	I read the letter.
	And the FDA is not questioning...
	They're testing.
	They're questioning what they are marketing.
	And this is where you get into philosophical discussion, which I find the only interesting part, is can a test, basically a test tube of saliva that is sent off in the mail, can that be classified as a medical device?
	Because that is the law that the FDA is pointing to.
	And I think that's a conversation worth having.
	Yeah, the device argument's a little weak, it seems to me.
	I think if they went after them for diagnosis without having an MD kind of thing, or this sort of blanket, I mean, they'd go after websites to tell you to take two aspirin.
	They'd go after individuals who are natural, you know, these natural...
	Yeah, of course, there's no science behind it.
	You take more vitamin B12, boom, knock, knock, knock.
	You can't tell people to do that.
	Yeah.
	So here is one paragraph of an analysis that I got from someone who's in the field.
	About the risk.
	So while 23andMe can tell you you have risk based on genetic information, they can't tell you absolute risk in any meaningful way because the vast majority of diseases people are interested in don't have a very strong genetic component.
	Even when hereditability scores are high, the linked genes are very weak associations.
	So these guys are selling a product to diagnose health and make health decisions, which has not been approved by the FDA. The product is questionable and wouldn't actually pass muster as a diagnostic test, even though they aren't even all that rigid about those kinds of tests, the FDA. This is a no-brainer.
	They should have been shut down a long time ago.
	As for if the data you can get for this price is any good, we won't even get to that step if you...
	Even if you assume the data is perfect, they can't do what they are claiming to do, and if they could, they would need FDA approval to do so.
	So I think the data may be reasonable.
	I've seen a lot of people who have compared it to other expensive tests, and it seems like the data is consistent.
	They may be outsourcing it and getting a bulk rate.
	Yeah.
	And I'm sure that if it's done by one of these major firms that normally charges $5,000, the reason they were charging $5,000 is because there wasn't a huge demand for this sort of thing.
	There was a demand for identification DNA, which is a different thing.
	Right.
	And it's interesting, the other companies that were doing this, Navigenics was one company.
	They were acquired last year by Life Technologies, so that's off the market.
	These really are the only guys left.
	And I did put in the show notes an article from 2009, From the New York Times where it specifically talks about how genes show limited value in predicting diseases.
	So the hereditary stuff, it's interesting.
	I'm part Neanderthal or whatever.
	Sure, if you care.
	But really, in predicting diseases, it's still a pipe dream.
	And while I'm excited for people who want to know and think this is great democratization of healthcare and you'll have some personalized medicine in the future, it's a little early to lay this onto the public.
	Because the public is dumb.
	Yeah, this unfortunate situation seems to be true.
	Yeah.
	So it will be very interesting on Sunday, because I was just gloating.
	I'm just like, you stupid recreational data.
	Recreational data.
	Recreational big data.
	That says it on the 23andMe has a disclaimer.
	It says, oh, this is just a game?
	Yeah.
	This is like the disclaimer Horowitz and I have when we pick stocks.
	Yes, exactly.
	We may or may not hold these stocks, but we're really just crapping around here.
	Yeah, let me see where they're...
	I have their disclaimer here on the website somewhere.
	This is just a game.
	Yeah, that's exactly...
	I didn't know that for some reason.
	I don't know why, but yeah.
	The old disclaimer.
	Well, you know, they come out of Silicon Valley thinking.
	So everything's got a disclaimer.
	You know, and if you hurt yourself using the product, then you're not, you know, the company's not liable.
	We say so right here.
	There's a EULA. Yeah.
	I think what really irks me about, the reason why I'm irked about this company, Is because they have that Silicon Valley, we're disruptive mentality.
	That's what bugs me about it.
	And it doesn't matter who it is, but you know what I mean?
	You know, that like, we're disruptive technology.
	I know what you mean.
	I live here.
	Get out of the way!
	We're disruptive technology!
	You know, it's arrogant.
	It's just arrogant.
	It's like, actually, someone wrote a good article about this in PC Magazine.
	Let me see if I have the article here.
	And compared 23andMe's arrogance to the GoldieBlox...
	You may have seen this commercial on television.
	It's girls, and it's basically a commercial for kind of tools for girls, and the whole idea is girls also want to be engineers, and we don't just want to have Barbies, etc.
	But this company, GoldieBlox, they use the Beastie Boys song, Girls.
	And they did a quote-unquote parody, but of course it can't really fall under the rules of, under the parody ruling of, what's the word I'm looking for?
	You have to be humorous.
	No, no, but what's the...
	Why can't I think of them?
	I don't know what you're driving at.
	When it's a parody or news, you can copy something and it's fair use.
	Fair use.
	Thank you.
	Fair use.
	Oh, that's what you're looking for?
	Yes, fair use.
	But it can't be fair use because they're using it to promote...
	It's an ad.
	They're using it in a commercial manner.
	That's a violation.
	I mean, even...
	First of all, it has to be...
	You can't do that.
	Ads are really...
	They're really rigid about that.
	You can't use somebody's likeness.
	You can't even look like...
	Lookalikes are usually up to be sued.
	There's a lot of...
	If you're going to make money...
	If you're doing something to make money off of somebody else's copyrighted work or image or anything, you will get sued by the owner.
	Yeah, but check this out.
	So this is a Silicon Valley company.
	And Adam Yauch of the Beastie Boys, when he died, he put in his will...
	That the Beastie Boys music that he was involved in may never be used for advertising.
	And so the Beastie Boys actually sent this company a note and said, Hey man, it's really funny and cool, but we really don't want you to do that.
	In fact, our dead partner also specifically requests you don't do that.
	And this company turned around and sued the Beastie Boys first.
	This is the arrogance of Silicon Valley.
	Wow, do Silicon Valley douchebags come to the fore?
	What's the name of this group?
	Golden Blocks?
	Goldie Blocks.
	G-O-L-D-I-E-B-L-O-X. Goldie Blocks.
	The article is written by Sasha Segan.
	Yeah, Sasha's the guy who does all the phones and stuff.
	There was a good article, and it says the same thing with 23andMe.
	Basically, these people are arrogant, and they're not alone.
	Willie Brown?
	Who's your mayor?
	Willie Brown, the old San Francisco mayor?
	Yeah, is that Willie Brown?
	Let me see if I can find it.
	I don't know.
	I can't hear you right while this is loading.
	You can't hear me while it's loading?
	I just hear you breaking up.
	It's okay now.
	Who are you looking for?
	Was it, I think, was it Willie Brown?
	What did he do?
	He wrote an article about, I'm looking for it right now, wrote an article about San Francisco saying, you know, you tech companies and particularly, yeah, Willie Brown says, techies have started a class war in San Francisco.
	Yeah, I can buy into this.
	I guess he has a column in the newspaper.
	I don't know that he does, but okay.
	It's called Willie's World.
	Yeah.
	And he says there's a war brewing in the streets of San Francisco and a lot of people could get caught up in it if the tech world doesn't start changing its self-centered culture.
	Every day in every way, from rising rents to rising prices at restaurants to its private buses, the tech world is becoming an object of scorn.
	It is only a matter of time before the techies' youthful luster fades, and the scene is just another extension of Wall Street.
	Hell yeah, Willie!
	Right on.
	He goes on to say, you know, the tech world needs to nip this thorny plant in the bud.
	They need to come off their high cloud efforts to save Africa or wherever they take adventure vacations and start making things better for folks right here.
	They need to start helping in Hunters Point and in Chinatown.
	Most of all, they need to start hiring locals.
	Yes!
	Yes!
	Very good.
	Well, they had a...
	One of the things that they've done...
	Twitter and Facebook are both offenders here.
	But there's other companies that are in the city that are just almost as bad.
	But they're right downtown.
	They were given a sweet deal.
	middle of like Market Street where it's just a slum.
	I mean, our main street in San Francisco, Market Street, is a slum.
	Yeah, it is.
	So they put their operations there, but they essentially put guards and they shuffle over And they use a lot of Uber cars.
	And they essentially do not spend any time on the streets, these people.
	And they go straight into the office where it's a completely...
	It's a cocooned environment.
	And they don't go out and mix or deal with the homeless or anything.
	And then they've...
	Because they all seem to be renters, nobody seems, except a very few, have a clue about the benefits of property ownership with their kind of money they have.
	So they've got all these.
	So the city's overbuilt with extremely expensive apartments.
	I mean, if you go past one of these real estate companies and you look at the prices on these apartments, we're talking about an apartment that – or actually, I guess they're kind of condo-like apartments – Maybe they're condos, but whatever they are, they're millions of dollars.
	Have you looked at the real estate prices in San Francisco lately?
	I'm waiting for you to get the hell out of there.
	You've got to pack up before this thing goes bust, man.
	Yeah, it's still going up.
	It's like your own personal Bitcoin.
	You've got to get out, John.
	You've got to cash in now.
	I mean, your house, which honestly was, I mean, it ain't all that, but it's probably a $2 million house now.
	Not quite.
	Well, you've got to set a line in the sand and get out.
	I need a backup plan.
	My rich friend John...
	Get out.
	You probably own that thing.
	You're old enough.
	You've lived there long enough.
	No, actually, we always take money out of this place, but we never take so much out because, as a writer, they won't give you the deal when you're going to take a lot out.
	Yeah, you don't get any deal.
	They always assume, yeah, you know, you're a bum.
	Well, yeah, I got all this property.
	Yeah, you are.
	You are a bum.
	So they don't give you enough that you can do some maintenance, but it's not like...
	So yeah, most of the place is paid for.
	And then I have my mother's old place.
	Oh, right.
	Which is going to be worth something eventually.
	You could put 20 Python programmers in there.
	Mimi wants to build these mini houses for people.
	Oh, and why don't you just call it Mimi's Agenda21.com?
	That would be great.
	23andMe services are for research, informational, and educational use only.
	We do not provide medical advice.
	Which, of course, is the rub, because they are.
	This means two things.
	First, many of the genetic discoveries that we report have not been clinically validated.
	And the technology we use, which is the same technology used by the research community, to date has not been widely used for clinical testing.
	Second, in order to expand and accelerate the understanding and practical application of genetic knowledge in healthcare, we invite all genotype users to participate in the 23andWe research participation.
	And this is really what it's about.
	This is why 23andMe bugs me, because they are the Twitter of health.
	They essentially are making you pay for them to build their database to go and sell to really big firms or themselves sell out to a big firm because they have a million different genetic profiles.
	That is their game.
	They don't care about you.
	And they'll give you anything, any shiny thing that you think is awesome, like the chance of you having micropenis or your kid.
	If you have micropenis, you probably know by now.
	You don't need the test.
	Some people need validation.
	We're not going to do that.
	So I'm very happy that this has happened and I'm very curious to see what the next step will be.
	I personally am very interested in using the open source stuff.
	That I think is kind of cool.
	Get your results and then throw it into the other system.
	Yeah, and they're accessing the same SMP data.
	So you can analyze anything and make your own...
	It's fun.
	Chart it, graph it, do whatever you want.
	But these guys are charlatans, I tell you.
	Charlatans.
	Anyway.
	But I thought it was quite funny, particularly with the dinner coming up.
	That should make for an interesting little table discussion.
	Food is always good.
	Yeah, I guess that helps.
	And I really like these people.
	It's not that hard to like people who just differ in opinion.
	You've just got to stay away from certain topics.
	Well, as you see, you don't live in Berkeley.
	No, because you're surrounded.
	It would be different, yeah.
	You are surrounded.
	And they're all Hummers, which makes it even more annoying.
	But, you know, Austin is its own little Berkeley in Texas.
	There's no doubt about that.
	It's very much...
	Deborah Sterling, who is a runner of GoldieBucks, she doesn't have much of a background.
	She has essentially just graduated from Stanford in 2005, worked at a couple of companies for a couple of years, and then she came up with this idea.
	It's very actually difficult to find much on her.
	She looks like Kiki Stanford.
	Oh, no.
	Or Sanford.
	She's one of those?
	Yeah, she almost has the exact same look.
	And I'm all for what...
	I like her product.
	I like the idea of selling...
	She's a great product, but this idea of exploiting, you know, of going off the reservation and pulling a stunt like this and then suing the Beastie Boys is really...
	It's abhorrent.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	But that is the arrogance of Silicon Valley, and we see it everywhere, and...
	It's the basis of this whole Snowden thing.
	Everything points right back to Silicon Valley with Google's arrogance that they provide you with all the best things in life and you don't need to pay for it.
	They're selling your data out the back door and meanwhile feigning some great insult at the front door.
	The NSA documents are being...
	Capitalized upon by Glenn Greenwald with a Silicon Valley insider.
	They're selling it in bits and drips and drabs.
	The whole place disgusts me.
	Disgusts me.
	However, it's Thanksgiving, and all I want to say, John, is thank you for your courage and in the morning.
	Yeah, in the morning to you, Adam Curry, and I also want to say in the morning to all the boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and all the knights out there.
	Yes, and in the morning to everyone in our chat room, noagendastream.com, noagendachat.net.
	Thank you all for showing up on this Thanksgiving day.
	Those of you in America or in Scandinavia, I guess, well, you celebrate on a different day.
	Elsa, thank you to our artists.
	And let's see, we had Nick the Rat bring us...
	He broke the hat trick.
	Martin J.J.'s hat trick.
	On three album arts in a row.
	And of course, noagendaartgenerator.com is where you can submit your artwork.
	And it's there for everyone to see all of the submissions to use, of course, however you feel fit.
	They also show up in the newsletters, etc.
	So it's not like you don't get in the MP3. It's over.
	And today, I think we have a couple of...
	Yes, we do.
	We have some executive producers and associate executive producers.
	These are the people who keep the show running by doing exactly what the future of all media will be.
	We need to be funded directly by the people who are enjoying the product.
	It's value for value.
	No network is necessary.
	We don't need to have someone promoting us or us to promote other things.
	It's just us.
	Us and you.
	And if you don't like us, then there will be no us.
	Well, we had a good turnout today, thank you, for this holiday.
	I think a lot of people do appreciate the fact that we work on Thanksgiving while everyone else is sleeping in and watching football.
	So we have a couple of big donations that were suggested in the newsletter.
	Mark Abbott came in with $569.69 because this is show 569.
	Wow, so he's episode...
	Yes.
	The 569 Club.
	This is getting rarer as the episode numbers go up.
	We should reboot.
	These clubs are not large.
	Start at 100.
	I was hoping for a Hot Pockets tour to Canada to donate in person, but instead I'll just donate online.
	This will finish...
	By the way, he's in Alberta where all the money is.
	As this will finish off my knighthood.
	We have him on the list.
	Nice.
	It counts as executive producer as well as hopefully the 69 Club.
	I feel it's a triple win.
	Yes.
	Because I cannot care about the Xbox One.
	I'm showing support for what I do care for.
	That's very cool.
	He's actually in Edmonton.
	He's not in Alberta.
	He's in the classy little town of Edmonton.
	Is the Xbox One that expensive?
	No.
	Okay.
	He doesn't want an Xbox One.
	No.
	No way.
	And here we go.
	The Baron of Silicon Valley, Sir David Foley from The Lost Cat.
	Hold on.
	He is a duke.
	He's not a baron.
	I've had email correspondence.
	Somebody puts baron.
	You're right.
	He's the duke.
	He's a duke.
	And somebody keeps putting baron in the spreadsheet, which is factually incorrect.
	He's $569.
	Oh my goodness.
	ITM John and Adam.
	This is for writing the best podcast in the universe on Turkey Day.
	And I just want to say, I am disgusted by all of Silicon Valley except...
	Whoa.
	What did you just do?
	John?
	What?
	What are you doing?
	I didn't do anything.
	Well, you walked away and something brought your volume up and I heard the guy coughing on the street.
	Wow.
	Anyway, I was saying that I loathe all of Silicon Valley, except for Sir David Foley, our duke.
	Are you looking at peerage?
	No, it's not the point.
	I have a note here, and I've got to go find it.
	Oh, okay.
	This is a note from Brian S. Hall, Ann Arbor, Michigan, who has his accounting and brought in...
	Came in with $533.33 to become a knight.
	There's an accounting on the back, and this is a small note, so I'll dig it up for the mid-thing.
	Do I have it?
	Was it an email?
	No, no, no.
	It's a written note.
	It just came in as a check.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Scott Bennett, we'll get back to you, Brian.
	It'll be Sir Brian by the time we get back to him.
	Scott Bennett, 401-23, Orangeville, Ontario.
	No note.
	Jeremy Johnson, 338-88.
	Port Angeles, Washington, or Port Angeles.
	Happy Fakesgiving.
	To the best podcast in the universe, no better way to piss off the relatives than to make them call you sir.
	Now where are the hookers and blow?
	You should ask your relatives for that.
	Next time he's in Port Angeles nuts.
	Please make it rain for Sir Birch and Eric the Shill.
	Oh, okay.
	Write that down.
	Are we bringing them up on stage?
	No, I'm not going to bring those guys up.
	I think for this we should call them to the champagne room.
	Because we have someone waiting.
	Sir Birch, you lost your wallet.
	Exactly.
	In the champagne room.
	In between the couch.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Jeremy.
	Scott in Herndon, Virginia, 33333.
	Don't read my last name.
	I read good, R-E-E-D, because of Common Core.
	Value for value to the best podcast in the universe.
	I was writing a war and peace note, but my machine colonel panicked.
	Thank you for your courage.
	Wow, thank you, Scott.
	James Spitzer out of Jamaica Plains, also 33333, and he sent us a note, which I sent to you.
	We usually try to find a restaurant open on Thanksgiving and always leave a much larger than normal guilt tip to the servers who are giving up their holiday to feed our pie holes.
	I can do no less for you.
	Gertrude and Heathcliff.
	I'm sorry.
	That's our names.
	Gertrude and Heathcliff.
	For working while we enjoy the holiday napping for humanity.
	This year, instead of going out to a fine restaurant, we will be gathering over our spiral-cut honey-baked Spam with slices of mac and cheese and kale to thank you for your courage.
	The tip lost to the server's meager income will be your gain.
	As always, we will tune in to listen to the annual story of Thanksgiving, which never ceases to inspire, no matter how many, many, many times we hear it.
	Yours, James, Baron of Jamaica Plain and surrounding plantations.
	I've met Sir Jim, and I have to say, Miss Mickey and I have a little crush on Sir Jim.
	What's he got going on?
	He's just, he's got it going on.
	I got the letter here from Brian Moses Hall, who's actually a ham.
	Kevin 8, this is yellow.
	Kevin 8, this is yellow.
	This is a new one.
	We've gone from Blue Dot Fire Hydrant to Kevin 8, this is yellow.
	Check.
	In the morning, Skipper and Gilligan, in close find of donation, 53373, which by my calculation brings me to...
	He wants to be Sir Ludark...
	What?
	He wants to be Sir Ludark Babark Fudge Fountain.
	Sir Ludark...
	What?
	B-A-B-A-R-K Fudge Fountain.
	A good friend overheard an eccentric co-worker uttering these words to no one in particular.
	Sir Lucarque Baburk Fudge Fountain?
	Yeah.
	In spite of the scatological undertone, which I confirmed via Urban Dictionary, we have found this cryptic utterance deliriously funny.
	I suspect ELF. They work for large corporations, which shall remain anonymous, building MRI coils.
	So go figure.
	Yeah, those guys are into poop.
	In lieu of requesting a clip, may I suggest that along with the mutton meat and other goodies, I could easily go for some librarians and Jager bombs.
	Okay, and we'll add that to the list.
	That's all he's got to say.
	Yeah, I got it.
	It's all written down, codified.
	Spitzer was last.
	Nolan Conrad, 33333 from Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.
	Hey, Crackpot Buzzkill.
	I was on the 11-11 month.
	I got kicked off.
	I'm back on it now.
	Figured I would make up for lost time.
	I will turn 33 in January and plan on becoming a night before I turn 34.
	I would like some karma for my friend Jeff Richardson and a war on chicken sounder if that is still around.
	Yeah, of course it is.
	Don't mention this on the show.
	I'm reading it now.
	Oh, okay.
	We won't mention it.
	The War on Chicken.
	The War on Chicken.
	You've got karma.
	There you go.
	And thank you for your courage and your support of the program.
	That would be our executive producers.
	On to associate executives for today's show, 569 Anonymous in Mill Valley, California, $250.
	Tom McBadrick, $246.90 in Nutley, New Jersey.
	The dollar amount above amounts to the cost I paid at a local Granger for one lousy circuit breaker.
	Wow.
	After learning my company would cover the expense, I chose to pass the bucks to you instead.
	Hmm.
	After all, thanks to JCD's musical talents and his cultural ear to the ground, everybody on my Christmas list will be getting the Otomatone.
	It may not be the next Tickle Me Elmo, but I'm sure to make an irritatingly memorable Christmas dinner.
	Just hand it over to your family's kids and watch the fun.
	And by the way, what we like to do in the Dvorak family, you have like, Eric's got his kids.
	So what you want to get the kids is like a drum set.
	Or one of those mechanical machine guns.
	A Vuvuzela.
	And since he's got different kids, you want both of the kids to have the machine guns.
	The ones you pull and then you shoot.
	And it makes nothing but the worst sounding racket.
	But a drum set's also good.
	A Vuvuzela might not be that, but the kids probably won't be able to get enough volume on that.
	Oh, that's funny.
	You really do that, don't you?
	That's the kind of gift you want to get.
	You actually do that.
	Yeah, I bet you do.
	You're an a-hole like that.
	You are.
	Let's get to Eric's kids.
	Says you.
	Paul Richardson, Richfield, Minnesota Nuts.
	22222.
	It's been a while since my last contribution.
	I'm feeling a little douchey, so here's a bag of deuces.
	Thank you.
	Joshua Dietrich in Kirkland, Washington, 22222.
	The fact that Paul and I donated $2.99 on November 10th to the show was pure coincidence, despite the jingle.
	By the way, thanks for playing the In the Morning song, the Sunday I run a half marathon for the first time ever.
	I plan to listen to the show while running, so some karma would be fantastic right now.
	At approximately 10 minutes, 30 seconds per mile, I hope to finish the run at 2 hours, 22 minutes, and 22 seconds.
	Let you know how that goes.
	Thanks for taking time out of your Thanksgiving to do this show.
	You guys are great.
	That's nice, Josh.
	Here's a little bit of running karma for you, as requested.
	You've got karma.
	We got Arliss Vanonymous.
	In Mechanicsville, Virginia.
	22222.
	Make it rain twice for my super hot petite milf Janine, who is in Austin for Thanksgiving, but I'm not.
	Uh-huh.
	Tired of being a boner and looking for some karma for the holidays?
	Also wanted...
	It sounds like a commercial.
	Really?
	What is that?
	Are you tired of being a boner and looking for some karma for the holidays?
	Check out the No Agenda Show at noagendashow.com.
	So we're going to do the Make It Rain during the regular segment, right?
	Yeah.
	Are you writing these names down, Janine?
	You got Janine?
	You got to call her to the main stage.
	Should have got it earlier because I already got a script.
	Okay.
	Do you have writers on this thing?
	I have a team.
	Your team.
	Your writing team.
	Okay.
	He says, one of the suggestions for cooking a Thanksgiving meal I can make while my wife is away, turkey sandwiches.
	Go get a turkey loaf that's already cooked.
	1-800-DOMINOES, my friend.
	And that's your recipe.
	And the wine selection, you know, turkey's great because it goes with everything.
	So you can have champagne, which I would recommend.
	Which is what I got from my friends, upon your recommendation.
	Yes, you got some Paul Roger.
	Yeah.
	Champagne's a winner.
	Beaujolais is a winner.
	Pinot's a winner.
	Actually, of all of them, Cabernet's probably the weakest one.
	I think a good Chardonnay would also work.
	I really liked your suggestion of the champagne, though, because it's like, yeah, I can see how that really goes well with turkey.
	Although I think people would like, most people would think, oh, we're not celebrating anything.
	No, the champagne people are irked about this meme, by the way.
	The celebration thing?
	Yeah, the champagne should not be seen as a celebration.
	I mean, you can if you want for some celebration, but champagne is a dinner wine.
	It's a very specific dinner wine.
	You can have it any time you want, and it goes with pretty much everything.
	You know, it goes great with Janine in the champagne room.
	It would.
	Mm-hmm.
	But that champagne is usually junk, by the way.
	They don't have a good champagne in those joints.
	It depends on who you know.
	Sir Brian Ferguson in Foothill Ranch, California, also 2222.
	On the Sunday show, I made a simple comment.
	I am a knight, not a new knight.
	I just wanted to be called Sir Brian.
	We re-knighted him.
	You re-knighted me.
	It felt kind of weird.
	I have a ring already.
	So on Thursday's show, I'm a double knight after this contribution.
	Baronet, just figured out how close I was, and it was so close to two times make it rain, what the heck.
	So my two names are my two ex-wives, Shirley and Donna.
	Write them down.
	Perfect.
	Perfect.
	Well, that's a good...
	Thank you.
	If people want to know what I'm thankful for besides the two beautiful women in my life, my daughter and my wife, I am very thankful that there are people out there who give a crap about what we say and actually listen to us and are interested in helping us.
	Yes, I appreciate that to an extreme.
	I want to thank everybody who became a producer or an executive producer for this show, and I want to remind you to go to Dvorak.org slash NA to help us out for the show coming up on Sunday, which is essentially the end of the holiday weekend where people will be driving back, and here we are working again.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	That's all right, because it's what we do.
	Miss Mickey is out in L.A. She did her shoot on Wednesday.
	She's not coming back until Saturday.
	Hmm.
	How does that work?
	You got the sexter, the sex texter.
	You can kind of bore yourself with her.
	Hey, I want to thank clearly a No Agenda producer for putting in a great Easter egg slash PR. Although, you know, it's been completely misinterpreted by the mainstream media, obviously.
	But people in the know are clear that the person who does this particular computer programming is a listener of the best podcast in the universe.
	To Georgia now where DeKalb County officials are scratching their heads over a juror form.
	The online form lists slave as an occupation.
	Potential jurors who filled out the new form said they selected S for sales.
	But what they got was the occupation slave.
	Yeah, I was going to clip that, too.
	It's very funny.
	You know that's got to be a no-agenda producer.
	I hope so.
	Yeah.
	But the funny thing is...
	You know they just slipped it in at some point.
	Yeah.
	It was a totally Easter egg bomb.
	It's like one of those things you kind of do.
	Nobody can catch you.
	They're going to look into it.
	But here's the crazy thing is that I saw at least four reports, mainstream media reports, and they're showing or asking people on the street, but only black people.
	How do you feel about that?
	It's like, but slave, you know, slave is...
	Actually, I saw, they had a couple white people on one of the stations, and they laughed about it, thought it was hilarious.
	Yeah, because, I mean, everyone's...
	This is not...
	The term slave, and this is, I guess, what I take an exception to, that for some reason...
	Whenever you hear the word slave, we're only allowed to think that is the black man working for the white man on the plantation.
	Whereas we had slaves in Egypt.
	We still got slaves everywhere in the world.
	Slaves.
	You got slaves.
	We're slaves.
	We're slaves to the man.
	It's a generalized term.
	And we have to take that back a little bit, I feel.
	We can't let that just be one type of visual for people.
	That's maybe just me.
	No agenda people know what it's all about.
	And why don't you go out and find some of your fellow slaves and propagate our formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Mule.
	Water. Order.
	Shut up, slave.
	Shut up, slave.
	There we go. .
	There we go.
	Because Mickey was out of town, I had a lot of time to look into stuff.
	A lot.
	Yeah, she's not running you around the town.
	Yeah, that's okay.
	Yeah, well, what did you find out?
	Well, I looked into a number of things.
	You want to talk about Iran?
	I love talking about Iran.
	Iran is...
	So we had this deal, all of a sudden this big deal, and I think that people are getting a raw deal in general.
	About what this is really about.
	Because if you listen to the news, then it's only about the bomb and making the bomb and we can't let them have a bomb and it's all about the bomb.
	So let me play a couple of these things.
	And there was some confusion, of course, because there's actually no deal.
	Nothing has really happened.
	Here is, let's see, which order shall I play this in?
	I think this is Carrie with Candy Crowley talking about what this deal is not.
	So you, at this point, trust Hassan Rouhani, the new president in Iran.
	To be able to follow through, are you convinced that he has the power to do so?
	Because you know that the hardliners in Iran certainly are singing a different tune than has been sung at the negotiating table.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	We're well aware of that.
	And the simple answer to you is, none of this is based on trust.
	It's not a question of trust.
	I'm like, oh, really?
	Is this guy, by the way, that little tongue thing he does?
	It's still happening.
	Does that bother you?
	It creeps me out.
	Well, I learned a long time ago from a CIA agent...
	That when you are meeting with someone and when they do that, when they stick their tongue out like that, whatever preceded that motion was a lie.
	That is how I've been taught to interpret the tongue.
	I'm going to play a little bit of that as well.
	Here he is explaining...
	Let me just see...
	Right here...
	Iran has no right to enrich, yet they can, which I guess he's doing with Stephanopoulos.
	Every single time a lie, something that you would even think is a lie, the tongue comes out.
	It's not consistent.
	It's not like always licking his lips or anything.
	It really is right after he tells a lie.
	What is the U.S. position?
	Does the U.S. respect and recognize that right of Iran's?
	Yes or no?
	No, there is no right to enrich.
	We do not recognize a right to enrich.
	It is clear in the NPT, in the Nonproliferation Treaty, it's very, very clear that there is no right to enrich.
	But under the terms of this agreement, There will be a negotiation over whether or not they could have a very limited, completely verifiable, extraordinarily constrained program where they might have some medical research or other things they could do,
	but there is no inherent right to enrich and everywhere in this particular agreement it states that they could only do that by mutual agreement and that nothing is agreed on until everything is agreed on.
	Okay.
	And so here I'm like, alright, what is this really about?
	I'm starting to get interested.
	Then he does a little video, which was published on video.state.gov, which was meant for Congress, but it was published for the public.
	And he's talking to the congressmen, women, and senators, as if they're morons, by the way.
	Well, maybe rightly so.
	And here is his explanation of enrichment.
	And there's a couple things he said in here that maybe go down the rabbit hole.
	On enrichment?
	We are eliminating Iran's stockpile of already enriched, 20% enriched uranium.
	By the way, the fact that he's saying Iran and not Iran tells us, as no agenda producers and listeners, he's not really in on the deal.
	Because we know that people who are really in with what's going on, who are really doing the business, they say Iran.
	Yeah, it's almost a code.
	It's code.
	Their centrifuge program, where it is today.
	Now, hold on.
	Listen to the words he's using here.
	Uranium.
	We are holding their centrifuge program where it is today, and we are stopping them from using their most advanced centrifuges.
	These are centrifuges that can separate uranium very quickly and do the enrichment very fast.
	So they're very risky, and that's why we keep them away from that process for now.
	We keep them away from that process for now.
	On plutonium, we're putting on hold meaningful parts of their reactor that's currently under construction in a place called Arak, Aram.
	Now, this is their most likely source of plutonium, and that's why it's something we are absolutely determined by.
	So he's talking like he's a supplier of parts, which in fact is exactly what's happening.
	This is about this agreement, which we don't really have truly the written agreement.
	Nothing has really been set in stone.
	There's been all kinds of back and forth.
	The news media, in their typical political oscillation, are showing you this is about stopping them from getting a nuclear weapon or creating a bomb or killing everybody in the Middle East, which of course is ludicrous.
	You know, to be frightened into something, to believe this bullcrap.
	I went and I found the sanctions as they stand against Iran.
	And held that against what was published on WhiteHouse.gov as to what our end of the bargain is going to be.
	And here's the way you have to look at this.
	And this will be a conversation for you around your Thanksgiving Day table when everyone says, boy, we're so happy that President Barack Obama and John F. Kerry are saving us from the evil Iranians.
	This is not what that's about.
	This is about determining who gets to do business with Iran and in Iran.
	Because the sanctions are 80 pages.
	And if you look at what they're saying in their so-called deal memo, John, this is only about who gets to buy petroleum and petroleum products from Iran.
	These sanctions are not against Iran.
	These sanctions are against other countries.
	So, to give an example...
	We have the companies and countries that are allowed to buy from Iran, that we have somehow determined are allowed to buy from Iran, exclude a whole bunch of other countries.
	It's really quite funny.
	When you see who is and who isn't allowed to buy.
	Since 1998, by the way, these sanctions have been going on for a long time because it is a regulation of a market.
	This has nothing to do with terrorism or nuclear warfare.
	Since 1998, the companies that have a waiver for sanctions are Total of France, Gazprom from Russia, and Petronas from Malaysia.
	Exempted are Statoil from Norway, ENI from Italy, Royal Dutch Shell from Britain and the Netherlands.
	Sanctioned, however, Belarus.
	Belarusnef, no, you can't buy oil.
	Sanctioned Petrochemical Commercial Company, International Belwick of Jersey and Iran.
	Royal Oyster Group from the United Arab Emirates.
	Tanker Pacific from Singapore.
	Monaco.
	Venezuela, all these people know you can't buy the oil.
	This is, and by the way, it's not oil that goes into your truck or your car.
	These are petrochemical products that are necessary for life as we know it today.
	It's the light, sweet crude that is really necessary for products.
	Correct, John?
	Well, sweet crude or heavy crude or any of them go through a refinery and then they can be made into anything from gasoline to kerosene to jet fuel to plastic.
	Right.
	But we've already determined that a lot of this is not necessarily about stuff that is going into your car.
	It is the derivative of petroleum products that Iran has in abundance that we really need.
	Well, not really.
	Most light crude tends to end up as diesel or gasoline.
	I don't think it changes your thesis.
	There's a change in some of the rules.
	Iran may not accept gold for payment for their oil and petroleum products.
	This is stipulated.
	Well, that's, again, yeah.
	Well, that's actually a good catch because, you know, there's all this fee or petrol dollars.
	Yeah, we need to keep them on the dollar, of course.
	Yeah, of course.
	And we, the United States, we are regulating the money because we have it all locked up, you see.
	So if a company is going to buy some oil or petroleum products from Iran, it runs through us.
	It is a great, for some reason, someone decided, hey, we need to open that up a little bit, but the United States...
	We, and I guess somehow through John Kerry, are determining who gets to buy this and who doesn't get to buy this.
	And these sanctions...
	I don't know if you saw, like, they were all congratulating and hugging each other, and you had Kerry hugging that no-chin monster, the high representative, Baroness Ashton.
	They're all high-fiving.
	What qualifications does she have to be in that job?
	Well, the reason why she was there, of course, is these are all people who are part of the Security Council.
	It's the P5 plus one, which is the big five, and oh yeah, we'll add the krauts in there.
	Gitmo Nation, Deutschland is the plus one, or the EU 3 plus 3.
	It's all these code things.
	But this is all about who gets the oil.
	It's The sanctions are not against Iran.
	The sanctions are against all the other countries, and we're determining who gets to have some of it.
	But we're being misled into believing this is like some deal, and everybody on television, all the talking heads are talking about bomb this, bomb that.
	It's bullshit.
	We know from Iranians.
	In Iran, people are like, they're all on the same page, the Americans and the Iranians.
	It's a big show.
	Well, have we...
	Have you deconstructed this enough, or have you, to determine what is Israel's role in all this?
	Because they seem to be the most bent out of shape about it.
	Well, I think they're bent out of shape because they've got the Leviathan Field, which is gas and oil, and they need to sell it.
	They need to start sales.
	That's the only thing I can see.
	The discovery of the Leviathan Field really turned Israel from a net importer to an exporter, and they need to get going, particularly to...
	Countries that they have relatively close access to outside the Mediterranean, which through Cyprus and Greece or even Italy would be...
	Yeah, we've went over this a million times, but it just seems to be...
	I'm not being convinced of this being the sole purpose of their objections and their saber-rattling.
	And have you figured out why these countries that have been kind of circumscribed from...
	The ability to trade with Iran.
	Is there one example of one country why we hate them?
	Well, I'm sorry.
	It's funny you say that because I didn't mention any countries.
	I mentioned companies.
	And these companies are in particular countries.
	It's just ownership.
	We don't own any of this Venezuela crap.
	So no, not in.
	Denied.
	It's Total, it's BP, it's Shell, it's the Seven Sisters, or whatever they're called.
	It's those guys.
	They get to participate.
	Everybody else, F off!
	We control it.
	The United States runs Iran.
	That's just what I'm going to have to state.
	We're running it.
	We own it.
	We determine who gets what.
	This deal is not about nuclear weapons.
	This deal is about who gets to have some.
	And who is Barack Obama doling it out to today?
	On March 20, 2012, the Secretary of State announced the first group of 11 countries that had achieved an exemption for significantly reducing oil purchases.
	So here are the countries that reduced.
	Belgium, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Poland, Spain, Britain.
	The exemptions for these 11 countries were all renewed.
	So, you know, who's renewing it?
	We're the boss of this.
	We say, you can't take from Iran, and then people do it.
	Now we say, oh, you can have a little more.
	It's like $4 billion in annual sales, which is nothing.
	Maybe it's being misused to change the news cycle, since it is a relatively small deal.
	But the funny thing is, You think that it's a deal with Iran, but it's not.
	That's why everyone's like hugging Kerry.
	Oh, thank you.
	Oh, thank you.
	I can have more oil now.
	Thank you so much.
	I appreciate it.
	That's what it is.
	It's crazy.
	A-holes.
	We rock.
	We really do.
	We really do.
	And when Hillary Clinton gets in, and she's president.
	Oh, yeah.
	She'll up the ante on all this stuff.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, she laid the groundwork.
	She'll actually want to be called the Queen Empress.
	She's going to change her name.
	She's going to be like Ming the Merciless.
	Well, she deserves it.
	As you know, I'm a big fan.
	I think we should...
	It's important people understand that we have to make it worse before it gets better, so we've got to get her in.
	Anyway, the on-hold thing, there's a lot of GE parts that they need for their reactors, for their centrifuges, and GE gets to sell some, but not all.
	So it's all controlled.
	We've been controlling parts for their aircraft, for their, let's see...
	We even control the EADS parts for their Airbuses, which apparently they have a few.
	We control it all.
	Maybe Netanyahu is just clueless.
	Do you think that's possible?
	No, no, no.
	It could be he's just...
	Maybe he just wants a reality show.
	I'm not completely buying his position as whatever.
	Well, we had the...
	It could also be, John...
	Let's look at it from a different perspective.
	Remember he held up the drawing of the Wile E. Coyote bomb at the United Nations with a little fuse in it?
	With the arrow.
	So maybe he's just the layup man.
	Maybe he's just setting it up for us to hammer it in to keep people focused.
	Oh yeah, he could be the setup guy.
	Right?
	That's a possibility.
	Front man.
	Yeah, just keep everybody focused on the bomb, the bomb, the bomb.
	Meanwhile, don't look at other exporters to Iran.
	Let's see, I have the list here.
	It's in the sanctions.
	Here are the companies who have been allowed to export to Iran.
	Mars Company, Kraft Foods, Wrigley's, McCormick& Co.
	So they've got candy bars, chewing gum, mac and cheese, and some spices.
	They have plenty of spices in.
	I think the McCormick deal is to get McCormick in so they get spices out.
	Well, so now what's happening is you're seeing, because these sanctions, you're seeing companies everywhere freaking out because they don't want to get in.
	Because it's going to be a Libya-like bonanza without...
	The bomb dropping.
	Without the war zone.
	Without the war zone, yeah.
	So here's the OFAC had approved exports to Iran of condiments such as ice cream sprinkles.
	Hey!
	Hey!
	Muhammad Mustafa, you Persian.
	How's your sprinkles?
	Enjoy the American sprinkles.
	Hot sauces.
	Bodybuilding supplements.
	All being exported to Iran.
	You wouldn't think it, though, the way you hear everyone talking, like they're the most crazy, crazy, going to kill us, blow us up.
	So that was an eye-opener for me.
	Just like, oh, this deal, we're seeing it all upside down.
	This deal is not about a bomb.
	It's about who gets to profit from Iran.
	And looking at the people who are jumping up and down, looking at Baroness Ashton, I'm thinking this might have been a little bit of a fig leaf towards the EU for our TTIP negotiations.
	Could be.
	But it's not, repeat not, about terrorism and some bombing.
	None of this stuff's about terrorism.
	I mean, the public, you know, it's just like you'd let the American people in on some of this action.
	Can you imagine how great we would be if people actually understood this?
	We'd be all for it.
	I think Congress would get something done.
	People would be like, hell yeah.
	Yeah, because you wouldn't have to spend all the time bullcrapping the public or scaring them.
	Yeah.
	You're going to get killed.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And then making it worse by bringing in this Common Core and some of these other initiatives that just are obviously intended to dumb down the public.
	It's funny, you know, for today's show, I wanted to do something upbeat.
	I know.
	It kind of wrecks our model.
	But specifically regarding Common Core, I wanted to bring in a voice from the grave.
	Someone who I have always held in high regard.
	And it's from an interview that from 1995, two years before he returned to Apple to make it legendary again...
	Steve Jobs talking about education.
	And I have three quick little clips I've taken.
	This is a pretty well-known interview.
	I think it was.
	I'm sure you've seen this, John, this interview.
	It was like PC Magazine or something, 1995.
	They were trying to codify people from the beginning of Silicon Valley.
	Do you know this interview of Jobs?
	If I hear it, I might have heard it before.
	And as it relates to Common Core, it's very interesting to hear him specifically say some things about education and really how the educators today and the Governor's Association and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, all these people who are all in on Common Core and the testing and the standards and turn teachers into test takers and data analyzers are wrong.
	Here's what got Steve Jobs interested in what he's doing today through education.
	In fourth grade I encountered one of the other saints in my life, which was...
	They discovered they were going to put me and this guy, Rick Ferentino, into the same fourth grade class.
	And the principal said at the last minute, no, no.
	Bad idea.
	Separate them.
	So this teacher, Mrs.
	Hill, said, I'll take one of them.
	And she taught the advanced fourth grade class.
	And thank God I was the random one that got put in her class.
	And she watched me for about two weeks.
	And she then approached me.
	She said, Stephen, I'll tell you what.
	I'll make you a deal.
	I have this math workbook, and if you take it home and finish it on your own without any help, and you bring it back to me, if you get it 80% right, I will give you $5 and one of these really big suckers.
	She bought it.
	She held it out in front of me, all these giant things.
	And I looked at her like, are you crazy lady?
	No, nobody's ever done this before.
	And of course I did it.
	And she basically bribed me back into learning.
	With candy and money.
	And what was really remarkable was that before very long I had such a respect for her that I sort of reignited my desire to learn.
	And she was remarkable.
	She got me kits for making cameras.
	I ground my own lens and made a camera.
	It was really quite wonderful.
	Real education there.
	And I like it because, as you know, I am a big fan of bribing kids with hookers and blow.
	It works.
	Now, this interviewer goes into this next bit and says, you know, well, you're famous for putting computers into K-12.
	Computers, of course, are going to solve education, which is where we are at right now today.
	What is it now?
	20 years later.
	And interesting that it's Bill Gates, the arch nemesis of Apple and of Steve Jobs to a certain extent, who is now doing this, basically saying that big data and computers, that's going to fix education.
	Steve Jobs, not so on board.
	The unions are the worst thing that ever happened to education.
	Because it's not a meritocracy.
	It turns into a bureaucracy, which is exactly what's happened.
	And teachers can't teach, and administrators run the place, and nobody can be fired.
	It's terrible.
	Some people say that this new technology may be a...
	the networking world, if you will, may be a way to...
	Bypass that.
	Are you optimistic about that?
	No, I absolutely don't believe that.
	And as you pointed out, I've probably helped put more computers in more schools than anybody else in the world up until this point in time.
	And I'm absolutely convinced that that is by no means the most important thing.
	The most important thing is another person.
	Another person that incites your curiosity, that guides your curiosity, that feeds your curiosity.
	And machines cannot do that in the same way people can.
	It's no wonder they hated each other.
	He's so on the opposite side of this.
	And that, by the way, if you look at all the money that's going around in Common Core, was enough to kill him.
	Just for that attitude.
	And I'm thinking more and more that there was no reason to help him out, let's put it that way.
	Final bit in our happy, upbeat little Steve Jobs clip-a-thon.
	His ideas about how schools should be run.
	Right now, if you ask who are the customers of education, the customers of education are the society at large, employers that hire people, things like that.
	But ultimately, I think the customers are the parents.
	Not even the students, but the parents.
	The problem that we have in this country is that the customers went away.
	The customers stopped paying attention to their schools for the most part.
	And gave their kids to the...
	Well, what happened was that mothers started working.
	And they didn't have time to spend at PTA meetings and watching their kids' school.
	Schools became much more institutionalized.
	And parents spent less and less and less time involved in their kids' education.
	And what happens when a customer goes away and a monopoly gets control, which is what's happened in our country, is that the service level almost always goes down.
	I remember seeing a bumper sticker when the telephone company was all one, AT&T, the Bell system.
	I remember seeing a bumper sticker with the Bell logo on it, and it said, we don't care.
	We don't have to.
	And that's what a monopoly is.
	Yeah.
	There you go.
	Yeah, I'm not buying any of it.
	I'm not buying him grinding his own lenses in the fourth grade or any of that crap.
	Be a little romantic, John.
	What is this?
	The customers.
	The women started working and it's gone to hell.
	Yes!
	How about the self-esteem movement and some of this other stuff that those same women were promoting?
	I think the guy is an uneducated character who is just like Gates.
	Gates has never gone through college.
	He doesn't know what the process is or what you get out of it or what you don't get out of it or where the bogusness is.
	Oh, I can dream.
	But he's a big expert.
	So I feel the same way about jobs.
	I'm not buying any of it.
	It was a good series of clips.
	Apparently you seem to get something.
	I'm a big fan.
	I've always been a fan.
	Little Common Core.
	Let's do the three quick headlines on Common Core, then it's yours.
	Let's finish the Common Core thing, because I want to go to France where we have no customers ourselves.
	Hold on.
	Massachusetts has voted to delay implementation of Common Core.
	Good on you.
	New York school principals have written a letter, which I've put the letter in the show notes.
	Stop, stop.
	Massachusetts Nuts happens to have one of the best state-run educational organizations, and they know this is bullcrap.
	In fact, if we modeled everything after what Massachusetts is doing, we'd be much better off than doing this crazy thing that, you know, the Bill Gates Foundation's dreamed up.
	Well, the heavy hitters on the Board of Education in Massachusetts are saying, we've got to stop this or slow it down or whatever.
	They do not want to implement, so there's hope there.
	New York school principals have written a letter of concern about Common Core testing.
	I put it in the show notes.
	You can read it yourself.
	But actually, it's not just concern.
	They're kind of like, yo, dude, we can't do this crap.
	And there was an interesting article about Code.org, which is the educational outfit backed by Mark Zuckerberg and Jack Dorsey and other douchebags.
	Apparently...
	When you sign up for Code.org, I think it was Valleywag, if I can find this here, who discovered that they take all of your kids' data and use it for other purposes.
	So, you know, this education thing, ever since it's been institutionalized and we have a Department of Education at the federal level, it's a big bonanza.
	It's a big, big moneymaker.
	And while you still can, the No Agenda Show recommends you homeschool.
	Yeah, which they're trying to outlaw in most states.
	Oh, of course.
	We can't have that.
	Is it John Taylor...
	I'm looking at...
	Is it John Taylor...
	What's his name?
	John Taylor...
	I want to say Gotti.
	Let me see if that's the guy's name.
	John Taylor...
	I think it's John Taylor.
	Gotti, G-O-T-T-Y... Gatto.
	John Taylor Gatto.
	Very interesting guy.
	You can Google around and look at some videos.
	But he's, for most of his life, he's been writing about the history of how schools came to be.
	And if you follow his logic, they truly are designed to be slave training institutions.
	If you look at his history of where Schul, and that, of course, it comes from Germanic Schul, where that comes from.
	And I kind of like a lot of his theories.
	I think it has been set up that way.
	You yourself know that the education system is set up to create dumb slaves.
	You have first-hand knowledge.
	Yeah, in fact, I've always said the worst writers, if they try to get away from the newspaper business, which is dead, by the way, journalism school is designed to create essentially drones.
	Xerox machines.
	That could go in and follow a certain style of writing, which is voiceless, neutral, and they could work at any newspaper because they were all the same type of person.
	They were cogs in the wheel.
	And many of them, they always think that, well, I can go off and do something on my own.
	And they never can because it's been drummed out.
	The ability to do distinctive, singular works has been drummed out of almost all of them.
	There's a few that manage.
	And if you look at the Common Core stuff, it seems like kids are being set up to become...
	I wonder if someone sent in an interesting note under the slave training...
	Kids are being trained to...
	Here, Antelope Center High School trains students to handle calls, emergency calls, like they're at a call center.
	Yeah.
	No, this is the training.
	This is the training kids are getting.
	And they actually do it in the classroom.
	Ring, ring.
	911.
	What's your emergency?
	What's your emergency?
	Yeah, this is what we're training our kids to do.
	Okay, try this.
	Hey, Billy, let's try this other script.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Do you want fries with that?
	Yes.
	Do you want anything to drink?
	Yes.
	We have a special on chicken wings.
	We have a special on the small pie.
	And meanwhile, didn't President Barack Obama...
	Did they promise a whole bunch of educational stuff?
	Did that not happen?
	Or is this Common Core, is that what it is?
	No, no.
	Common Core is what it is.
	Producer Andy sent me a clip from C-SPAN, which was funny in two regards.
	What are the Obama administration's second-term priorities going to look like in education policy?
	Are they going to continue to push in the direction they pushed early on with Race to the Top?
	Or are we going to see more of what...
	It seemed to take hold during the campaign, which was promise of 100,000 more teachers and smaller class sizes.
	I'd like to get the panelists, starting with Rick maybe, to weigh out on which Barack Obama will we see in the second term on education?
	There you go.
	They know it.
	They know there's more than one.
	Which Barack Obama?
	I don't know.
	The guy that's in the closet.
	The guy who got inaugurated in secret.
	The gay one.
	Oh, nice.
	I think, by the way, that Hollywood did something wrong, or they haven't been on their game.
	Like, a whole bunch of messages went out to Hollywood just this past week.
	Let's see, we had this whole story about animals that were hurt and killed, the making of movies.
	Did you see these stories?
	No, I didn't.
	I missed this.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Let me see.
	I have a couple of them.
	What do we have?
	Life of Pi, Tiger, damn near drowned.
	Dog punched repeatedly in popular Disney movie.
	Spielberg protected by cover-up of the war horse death.
	Like, all this, like, Hollywood, you suck.
	You're horrible.
	And, of course, the president was going out to Hollywood.
	But I have a feeling there was a message...
	You know, it's like, hey, you know, you guys really got to get on the stick here.
	And then, of course, we had this story.
	Milchen indicated other big Hollywood players were also involved, saying, quote, when I came to Hollywood, I detached myself completely from my physical activities to dedicate myself to what I really wanted, filmmaking.
	This is about Aaron Milchan, the Hollywood producer who...
	All of a sudden in an Israeli television interview comes out and says, I was a spy!
	I was a spy!
	I was a Mossad spy!
	And I'm thinking he did this to preempt whatever was coming.
	That would be a good idea.
	And this is not news, by the way.
	Everybody has known this guy was an arms dealer since 2000.
	I've found articles about it.
	This is nothing new whatsoever.
	But all of a sudden, I guess he didn't want to be shamed.
	I think something was going on.
	But sometimes, it gets mixed up.
	The 68-year-old Milchan owns New Regency Films and has produced more than 120 movies, working closely with directors such as Martin Scorsese and Oliver Stone.
	He forged an especially close relationship with actor Robert De Niro, who was also featured in the Israeli television program.
	I did ask him once we spoke about something and he told me that he was an Israeli and that he of course would do these things for his country.
	So you want to come to Hollywood and act like a big shot without actually doing anything?
	Yeah.
	In a story that seems reminiscent to last year's Oscar-winning true-to-life film Argo that depicted the CIA-Hollywood collaboration to rescue U.S. diplomats stuck in Iran, it's a safe bet Hollywood execs will be fighting to bring this story to the big screen, too.
	Yeah, of course, there's always that angle.
	And let's chuckle about this, you moronic news models.
	Now, we reached out to Milchan today for a comment, Jim, but we were told he is traveling in Europe and unavailable.
	You know, I have been covering all things Hollywood for a while, Jim, and not much surprises me that goes on there these days, but this, this is a wild story.
	This is, and it's too bad he's unavailable.
	When he is available, you should come on the Situation Room and tell his story to Wolf Blitzer.
	I'll pay my money for you.
	Put it out there, baby.
	We'll get him.
	Yeah, he's unavailable.
	Oh, it's too bad he's unavailable.
	What, do you have to lick his ass because he's like the king of Hollywood?
	George Clooney.
	He's a spy.
	That's right.
	All spies and in service.
	Which brings me to Chuck Barris.
	Ooh, how nice.
	Chuck Barris, of course, who did the gong show.
	There was a movie about him, and I think Looney was in it.
	And, uh, but it was produced by, I think, pretty sure it was produced by Clooney, uh, or is directed.
	Confessions of a Dangerous Mind, where Barris comes out and says he was an assassin for the CIA for all the years that he was doing that show.
	Oh, really?
	You ever seen this movie?
	No.
	Oh, you're missing one of the most entertaining films you'll ever see.
	Oh, my goodness.
	He wrote a book about this, uh, that he was a hit man, and then he went on and on.
	And this guy was, you know, everyone knew him from his show days.
	And then the movie was done.
	Again, Clooney does all these movies that are either, you know, they're message movies, as far as I can tell.
	He does all of them.
	American, where he plays an assassin.
	It's Syriana, where he's talking about the drones killing princes, all the rest of it.
	Well, let's see.
	The cast of this movie, Confessions of a...
	Let's see.
	Dick Clark played himself.
	Sam Rockwell played Chuck Barris.
	Michelle Sweeney.
	Drew Barrymore.
	I do not see Clooney on this one.
	He directed it.
	Oh, really?
	Yes.
	No, it says stars George Clooney.
	Hmm.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So Clooney's in on this.
	Any director.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So, you know, you have to watch this movie, and I recommend it to everybody, because it's extremely entertaining.
	Hmm.
	And it's like, it's either just a guy who's deluded, or a guy who actually was a hitman.
	And I don't know why he even confessed to any of this, but, you know, it's like the confessions of an economic hitman, as it were.
	Right.
	Another situation where a guy had to tell all.
	Who backed off on all that, by the way.
	Well, you would, too.
	If you had a gun pointed to your head.
	No, no.
	I'd be like, shoot me, damn it!
	I have principles!
	He backed off big time.
	I think they let the book slide.
	The book came out, and that was fine.
	But then he started to do volume two.
	And then he was on the road doing speeches.
	And then all of a sudden, he stopped everything.
	Because he was getting carried away.
	It's the same with Tim Wiener, who wrote the Legacy of Ashes CIA book, which was almost like a Bible.
	It got me started in media assassination and understanding what the CIA really is about.
	And then as FBI book came out, it was like all in.
	It's like he was sleeping with the dead body of Hoover.
	It was disgusting.
	It was just lame.
	Totally lame.
	And I think he got called too.
	Like, eh.
	I'm not going to do one of those books about the Bureau.
	Yeah, we saw the other book.
	We didn't like it.
	No, I read it and it was horrible.
	Really.
	No, I'm talking about the FBI guys calling him up.
	Oh, yeah.
	Exactly.
	Hey, how many parking tickets do you want a month?
	Do you like the IRS? Hey, it looks like you're speeding again, according to the satellite that we have looking at you now.
	Yeah, the IRS would be very nice.
	There's a lot of ways you can stop these guys.
	They let them do one product, and then...
	That's it.
	Because I think you can control it at that point.
	The only guy that I think is slightly...
	still, I think, got more to tell us is the guy who did the Bush book.
	Which is another book everyone out there should read.
	Well, he has a website.
	He's got a great website.
	Yeah, he's got some good stuff on there.
	I like what he's doing.
	What's the name of the website again?
	What was his name?
	Oh, you can get it by typing in Family of Secrets.
	And it may even point right to that website.
	Who was he again?
	Familyofsecrets.com.
	Russ Baker.
	Yeah, Baker, who's a legitimate, high-quality, high-end journalist.
	He's not like a slouch.
	WhoWhatWhy.com.
	That's his website.
	WhoWhatWhy.com.
	I've got it at FamilyOfSecrets.com.
	This is the guy, you know, follow this guy, not Glenn Greenwald.
	This is the guy who's really doing some good stuff.
	Of course, he doesn't have the documents that were stolen from Snowden.
	But, you know, Uncle Don has written a book called...
	I think it's called Shards or something.
	Shards?
	Shards of my mind.
	Yeah, like fragments.
	Shards, not shart.
	Although it would probably get published quicker.
	I sharted in the CIA. He can't get it published.
	And I have not been allowed to read it.
	Well, that's probably why I can't get it published.
	Nobody's allowed to read it.
	Yeah, well, no, the thing is, the agency is taking exception, I think, or they're blocking it or whatever.
	Well, obviously, that's what's going on, because anyone would love to publish a book like that.
	Yeah, from him.
	I mean, he's famous.
	Well, he could just, you know, do a giblet.
	Well, I gotta go to New York.
	I gotta go talk to him.
	Go there, say, hey, we can do a giblet for you.
	No agenda press.
	He'll probably be like...
	Adam, this is like for my kid's retirement.
	I'm not going to do like no-agenda giblet press with frickin' bitcoins.
	Get out of my way!
	Right now, they're going to get nothing.
	Yeah, that's true.
	I need to visit him, and regardless, we got to go.
	We have to go.
	He's 84 now.
	It's getting up there.
	Got to go.
	Yeah, he's getting there.
	That book, somebody should at least have a copy of it somewhere buried.
	Yeah, well, you know, I... I wonder what's in there that the agency's irked about.
	He told me some stuff, which I can't repeat, because, you know, that would kind of circumvent the whole idea of the trust relationship.
	But, I don't know.
	I mean, but I agree.
	I would like to have at least a copy of it, so I could, you know, and that's all I want.
	Like, dude, just give me a copy for safekeeping, and give me the raw, unedited, whatever.
	Yeah, it's not a bad idea.
	You should do that.
	I'm going to.
	I have...
	Well, go, John.
	I have to report that Adam Curry's house was detonated by a bomb.
	Apparently, local racists.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	Unfortunate gas leak.
	Unfortunate gas leak.
	Kaboom!
	Kaboom!
	Leveled the whole neighborhood.
	The Mythbusters couldn't do it, but for some reason it happens with increasing regularity.
	Before we get to the money part of the show, let's talk about France.
	Now, France has got a big deal going on here, as you can tell by my clips.
	But to introduce it to people, because it hasn't been played up at all here in the United States, go to the Hooker's Overview Part 1 so we can see what's going on in France.
	French Daily Libération slapped it on its front page this Wednesday.
	Prostitution, the world's oldest debate.
	The French Parliament this week discussing a bill that would shift the burden from the sex worker to the client.
	With 1,500 euro fines for soliciting the services of.
	The same bill would overturn legislation passed in 2003 that punished prostitutes for curb calling.
	That's because of European guidelines that consider prostitutes to be the victims.
	Before you do anything, I'm a little upset you didn't prepare me for this because we have a jingle for this.
	It's the Wigley of Curry Heart!
	Yeah!
	I forgot about this.
	It's okay.
	So here's what the EU thinks.
	This is why the EU now.
	This is a woman who kind of represents the EU. I think she's French, and they're talking about the way they see things.
	And by the way, this is implemented by the socialists, who used to be always considered pro-hooker, as opposed to the right-wing, which is always considered to be, oh, you know, it's a sin.
	Why now?
	Why is this bill being brought before the French parliament at this particular time?
	One of the co-sponsors, socialist Catherine Coutel, explains.
	Prostitution in France has changed enormously.
	Most people working as prostitutes have been trafficked here by mafia organizations.
	It's modern slavery of people who come from Africa, Eastern Europe and China.
	People who come here to try to live, to survive.
	We say that prostitutes should not be seen as criminals but as victims and that the client, the one buying sex, is the one fueling prostitution.
	All right, I got to stop right here.
	I got to take some exception to what's going on here.
	This, by the way, is not just happening in France.
	This conversation has been started up in the Netherlands as well.
	Now, the Netherlands, anyone who is 40 or over will know that if you say Amsterdam or Holland, people go, ah, weed and hookers, ha, ha, ha.
	And the Netherlands was proud, proud I tell you, of its extremely liberal stance on recreational drugs, specifically in the smoking of a plant, and of their prostitution sector.
	Which was out in the open, not behind closed doors, in fact in windows, where the prostitutes pay taxes, where they have free yet mandatory health care and checkups.
	And this was always seen as a great liberation or a proof of how liberal and open-minded, and by the way, not just female hookers, it's all kinds of hookers, And I'm just not buying the statement that all hookers are traffic sex slaves.
	I just don't buy it.
	I know lots of prostitutes who like what they're doing temporarily.
	And just as it's anyone's choice to have a baby or not or do whatever you want, this is your choice too.
	I know it's not popular because it's always, oh, trafficking, sex slavery.
	I'm not so convinced that this is taking place Everywhere in the EU. Well, on VanCat, they had a debate with a feminist.
	They had a guy who wrote some manifesto saying that this is bullcrap.
	They had a woman who represented hookers on the horn in London.
	Unfortunately, her sound was crappy.
	Then they had a professor who I have a clip of who from Sweden, because Sweden apparently has made it illegal.
	And they made a big fuss about it.
	And they showed a map.
	And what's interesting is that there's a distinct separation.
	Sweden, Norway, prostitution is really bad.
	Great Britain, it's on the map.
	Bad, bad.
	And then France is trying to do this.
	And then Iceland.
	But on the other hand, there's Germany.
	And then you end up with, listen to these numbers on this clip, hookers on welfare.
	Okay.
	There are those countries like Germany, where since 2002, it's forbidden and punished.
	And we can also call up a graph of countries there.
	there you see, Sweden, Norway, the Scandinavian countries, Iceland has also come through with a similar bill.
	And then there are those countries like Germany, where since 2002 the sex trade has been completely liberalized.
	Now, that in Germany in particular has been sparking a backlash.
	It was reportedly even included in coalition talks that have been going on between the CDU and the SDP. The Economist newspaper called, in a recent article, a giant Teutonic brothel.
	Writing that the best guess is that Germany has about 400,000 prostitutes catering to one million men a day, mocking the spirit of the law.
	Exactly 44 of them, including four men, have registered for welfare benefits.
	So it's a great, thriving sector.
	In France, where they're complaining about it is 20,000 was the estimate, 20,000 to 40,000 prostitutes in the country.
	Germany's got 400,000 with a million customers a day.
	It's got to be like a lot of income flying around here for these women.
	It's not just women.
	Let's just say it's not just women.
	20% men.
	Male prostitutes, too.
	Yeah, 20% they ask.
	At least these guys.
	The guy, the one guy was saying, well, you know, most of these figures and numbers are bogus.
	The studies have never really been done right.
	They're always done by some pressure group that wants something.
	But here's another little interesting one that just really got my attention.
	Play this hooker's huge brothel being built.
	We really did some work here.
	Just over the border in the French region of Lorraine, the local press has honed in on plans for a 6,000 square meter five-story brothel called Paradise Island in Saarbrücken.
	The locals also say liberalization, despite the fact that there's been all these measures taken to bring it above board and to have it sanctioned, has drawn more prostitutes to the streets.
	Yeah.
	Five-story brothel?
	I mean, please.
	That's got to be something to visit.
	Actually, my friend has been there.
	My friend, my British gangster friend.
	And he says it's outrageous.
	It's like a mega club.
	You've got food.
	You've got nightclubs.
	It's an amazing place, he says.
	And he says it's really affordable.
	Yeah, no, the prices they gave the women in Germany supposedly, yeah, it's a lot less than it is in Las Vegas, let's say.
	So let's play one more clip.
	This is the hookers in New Zealand, which is, this is the woman from England who came on and said, you know, that these people are all full of crap and these girls do what they want to, you know, they have some instances they have really no other choice but to do this because the one feminist says, well, they're only doing it for the money.
	And the guy comes out and says, I think most people, except Bill Gates, do everything for the money.
	So what's your point?
	What hasn't been mentioned tonight is what they've done in New Zealand, where they decriminalized prostitution ten years ago.
	And first of all, and importantly, it has made it safer for women to work.
	Because if women are attacked, they can come forward to the authorities and report without any fear of arrest.
	Why in Germany have people decided to stay on the street?
	Or are working indoors.
	And we think that governments really should look at what's happened in New Zealand, where it has shown that it has made it safer, and safety has to be the priority.
	So anyway, so there's these reasonable voices, and I'm not going to play all these clips, but I definitely have to play the Swedish professor.
	Yeah, before we get, I just want to say that I think the media always likes this story, which is why it gets played out so big, because...
	They're prostitutes, but they don't get to have sex.
	The people who are doing television news are more abused than any prostitutes I know.
	I would like to add a few things to this discussion here.
	The first, Mr.
	Mihaly, he said that prostitution is just like any other job.
	Poor people, they're not free.
	If you compare prostitution to, say, working at a fast food restaurant, people working at fast food restaurants, they don't have post traumatic stress disorder or other mental disorders that are just as high as treatment seeking combat veterans or victims of state torture.
	That's the level of abuse that women in prostitution face worldwide.
	There are numerous studies showing that whether they are prostituted indoors, in strip clubs, even in pornography, on the streets, the majority have suffered from mental disorders and a number of physical violence exercised by clients.
	None of these conditions occur in other regular low-wage jobs.
	Really?
	Really?
	So this guy claims that according to the Swedes, and they've been pushing this, all the hookers have post-traumatic stress disorder, they have the same mental foundations as a torture victim.
	I'm sure you can find some that fall into this category, but it doesn't sound that way in New Zealand, where you can actually go to the police and get somebody to get arrested if something weird happens.
	Anyway, this was a very interesting kind of debate that I thought was...
	If I look at the countries, now we've covered Scandinavia.
	The Netherlands, France, all countries with huge Muslim immigrant populations.
	That's a very good catch, because that's my thoughts, too.
	This looks to me to assuage the Muslims.
	Or to keep the Muslims from, because they're traitors in white slavery, to keep them from doing their business.
	I don't know what it is, but there is no coincidence except Iceland.
	Pretty general statement there, John.
	Muslims are all sex trade slave traders.
	Well, that is a generalization.
	It only applies to a very small group of Muslims.
	But...
	They do have a, even I think as a whole, I think the Muslims...
	We would like to do foundational changes in the moral code of some of these countries.
	Yes, well, we know that for sure.
	And I think that's a generalization that holds up for the majority of Muslims.
	Yes.
	Interesting.
	The two Muslims who listen to the show.
	Now, we've got a lot of Muslims listening to the show.
	It was September 27, 2013.
	They're not reporting in enough.
	Let's put it that way.
	The Reykjavik City Council approved a building permit for the construction of the first mosque in Iceland.
	It's starting there, too.
	So that's, you know, that coincides nicely.
	We know that Sweden has huge, huge Muslim, angry Muslim population.
	France.
	So...
	You know, these things cannot be overlooked.
	These things are not just coincidences.
	And Great Britain.
	Oh, and Great Britain, totally.
	And Great Britain's on their map.
	Their map showed Sweden, which is largely Muslim in the south.
	Norway, which I don't know what the connection is there, because we don't have a lot of...
	Somebody in Norway who listens to the show will have to tell us.
	They can tell us, yeah.
	Someone will tell us.
	The Netherlands was not on this map with the highlight.
	Yeah, but when I was there, I saw a couple of stories.
	I kind of ignored it a little bit, but now it all fits in.
	So regardless of what is going on, all of these stories, all of these countries, all individually, are all part of...
	It's the weekly Huckery Park I'm going to show myself old by donating to No Agenda Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on your agenda.
	In the morning.
	All right, we got to start off with James Allen Laudeberg in Reistadt, Norway.
	Who should tell us what's going on in Norway regarding this?
	There you go.
	It's his 40th birthday.
	We've got him on the list.
	He's got a 1-11-11 to make it rain.
	33-33 to give me the night hood.
	And he likes the...
	He wants an in the morning with a train whistle.
	I've got the in the morning if you've got the train whistle.
	Oh.
	Do you have your...
	I saw this earlier and I... You're so prepared for the show.
	It's perfect.
	I didn't put it aside.
	Hold on a second.
	Just talk about something.
	Uh...
	Gee.
	Talk about something.
	I don't want to waste any of my precious material just on air while you're looking for your train whistle.
	No.
	Yeah.
	So I had three train whistles in this house.
	In my office, I had three train whistles.
	I can't find one of them.
	I'm so sorry about that.
	Oh, I know what I'll do.
	Are you ready?
	A harmonica played a certain way sounds like a train whistle.
	All right.
	In the morning!
	I'd be asking for my money back.
	All right, all right, all right, all right.
	Hey, let's get to our Make It Rain segment.
	We got a couple of the, so let's do the names and the names, and then we'll actually make it rain.
	Yeah, yeah.
	All right, so we have Robin Clements.
	We have Robin Clements.
	What?
	About our disorganization during this session.
	Well, and rightly so, because, I mean, you are disorganized in this regard.
	Robin Clements, $111.11.17.
	Utrecht.
	Utrecht.
	Make it rain, give it up for Raven.
	You play that Raven one, then we'll go from there.
	And he's got Tim Hassel in Saxapahaw, North Carolina, $111.11, and he wants Sharona to the stage.
	And he says, thanks to my expat daughter Lynn and Gitmo Nation Kiwi for hitting me in the mouth.
	Need a dedouching and a karma.
	Thanks to the greatest podcast in the universe.
	We'll give you the dedouching now.
	The karma will come at the end now.
	You've been dedouched.
	What?
	Why is an American getting the hit in the mouth by an Australian when it should be the other way around?
	Stephen Van in Pantago, North Carolina, $111.11.
	Okay, here we go.
	Ready?
	Wait, wait.
	You missed Tom Hassel.
	Call Sharona to the state.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Oops, my mistake.
	You already had that one.
	Okay, I'll do Raven, then we'll come back to you.
	Straight from Reseda, here she is, Raven, give it up!
	Alright, John, go!
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	Is that it?
	Yeah.
	Then we had someone forget his wallet in the champagne room?
	Oh, somebody forgot his wallet.
	Who was it?
	I forget who it was.
	Attention, ladies and gentlemen.
	wallet found.
	Wow.
	You lost your wallet in the champagne room.
	Please go return.
	Truly, truly, truly pathetic.
	Good script.
	Well done.
	Well played, sir.
	Very good script.
	Very, very happy with that.
	Nice.
	Like the line to Sulu, huh?
	Oh my.
	Oh my.
	He says, oh my.
	Okay, nice.
	That's got to end soon.
	It's not going to last.
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	There's your 88.
	He wants the common core stuff to keep on.
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	San Diego, California.
	And up the road from him, Daniel Van Sunder in Pacific Grove, California.
	Brian Clark, $75.75 from Parts Unknown.
	John Heineman, $75 from Monaca, Pennsylvania.
	$69!
	$69, dudes!
	And for show 569, we have a bunch of 69, 69s, including Sir Victor Gregg in Decatur, Georgia.
	Luke Mudge in Denver, Colorado.
	Robert Zaloum in Atlanta, Georgia.
	Edward Hines in Jacksonville, Florida.
	That's it?
	That's it.
	Barely worth the closing jingle.
	Eric Makarowicz.
	Makarowicz.
	Makarowicz, yeah.
	Makarowicz.
	In Socorro, New Mexico.
	Judy Schwartz, 58-65 in Boehm.
	Boom, Texas.
	No, born.
	I think it's born.
	Oh, you know this thing, this typeface.
	It's funny because I have the same thing.
	It's like every show, and it's not a complaint, it's just an observation.
	Every show, the spreadsheet's a little different.
	So today, I couldn't actually zoom in on the spreadsheet because then all the cells went away.
	So now it has to be really small.
	It's an inconsistency that is baffling.
	Judy Joshua Mandel, I'm sorry, in Greenville, South Carolina.
	Double nickels on the dime.
	Double nickels on the dime, but the only one.
	John Grumling.
	What a great name.
	Hey, Grumling!
	Battle of Mesa, Colorado.
	Wow, what a great name for a town.
	He says, shout out to everyone working on the holidays.
	Solidarity, my brothers and sisters.
	Eric Hochul in Berlin, Deutschland.
	Yeah, you know, you need to be spying for us on Poitras and Applebaum and Snowden's girlfriend, that hottie Sarah Robinson.
	What's her name?
	Sarah.
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	Marcus Kaczmarek again.
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	And he's got a gravy on the birthday list.
	And Marta Kalistrom in Portland, Portlandia, Oregon.
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	Thanks, everybody who came in and helped us out for show 569.
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	I don't think it was like this on last year's Thanksgiving, John.
	We had a nice turnout, and people were thankful, and we could be thankful.
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	Woo!
	Hey, the war on printers heated up all of a sudden.
	The war on printers?
	Yep, the war on printers.
	This is being covered up, of course, as the war against 3D printed guns.
	Oh, the war on 3D printers, yes.
	Yes.
	And I actually was keeping this particular clip of Representative Steve Israel, who brought this up again, but I can actually now bring this back to what's really going on.
	It's important.
	Well, you know, Chris, you're right.
	The clock is ticking.
	And every day that goes by makes the situation much more dangerous for the American people.
	So what are we talking about here?
	What he is talking about.
	And what is the cover for this ultimately war on 3D printers?
	These printers will be outlawed.
	Or there will be such restrictions put on them that it will be almost impossible to acquire without all kinds of licensing and proof.
	Is the undetectable gun law, I think that's what it's called, which is set to expire, and of course it'll get renewed.
	It's very simple to do that.
	There's not a lot of problems with people saying, hey, you shouldn't have a gun that is undetectable, even though these guns that are undetectable pretty much blow up in your face.
	So here's Steve Israel running cover.
	In 1988, we passed the Undetectable Firearms Act because we did not think that it would be a good idea to allow bad people to smuggle firearms through metal detectors on our planes and in high-security environments.
	That was done in the Reagan administration.
	It was renewed in the Bush administration.
	It was renewed in the Clinton administration, renewed again in the Bush administration.
	When we renewed that law, the prospect of a 3D printed plastic gun was science fiction.
	Today it is a reality, and we are only two weeks away from the expiration of that law.
	Okay, so that's the cover.
	So what is the news that comes out yesterday?
	Philadelphia is about to become the first city to ban the printing of 3-D guns.
	It might seem crazy, but working guns can be made using a 3-D printer, so the city is in the process of passing a law to prevent guns and parts of a gun from being made by anyone other than licensed gun makers.
	I think that's a safe thing to do here.
	You don't want the wrong person getting the formula or the code to bring a 3-D... The formula.
	The code.
	Shut up, you prostitute.
	Okay.
	So, Philadelphia puts this law down, which is 130584, and it literally says, use a three-dimensional printer to manufacture firearms should be forbidden.
	A firearm, any device designed, made, or adapted to expel a projectile through a barrel by using the energy generated by an explosive or burning substance or any device readily convertible to that use.
	So it will be a restriction on use.
	No person shall use a three-dimensional printer to create any firearm or any piece or part thereof unless such person possesses a license to manufacture firearms.
	So how are you going to enforce that?
	But more importantly, why?
	Why Philadelphia?
	And this is proof of my original theory.
	Remember, Cody Wilson, who now has pretty much gone away from the 3D printed gun scene and is now selling a Bitcoin wallet.
	That's his new thing, because he's a whore for whoever pays him to do stuff.
	He only needed to bring this up to the forefront so we could all be afraid of 3D printed guns to restrict these printers.
	Why in Philadelphia?
	Because it is in Pennsylvania.
	Pennsylvania, one of the three locations for the Department of Energy and Department of Defense's additive manufacturing centers.
	You remember the president talked about 3D printers and how exciting they will be in his State of the Union.
	We played all those clips for you when we first came up with the idea that this is about restricting 3D printers.
	And so there's a lot of money involved.
	There's multiple universities in Pennsylvania.
	Pennsylvania is a major hub.
	In fact, I have an article here, Pennsylvania, to play a major role in 3D printing explosion.
	So we need to limit the slaves' access to this technology.
	And if you look at what's happening now, GE, in the next five years, they will be producing aviation parts with this technology.
	With additive manufacturing.
	And I have a couple of links in the show notes.
	So, if you look at Rapid 2014, well, Rapid 2013 was the main additive manufacturing conference, which was just held in Pittsburgh.
	The next one is in 2014, will be held in Detroit, so I fully expect Detroit to be next on the list with all kinds of banning of 3D printed guns.
	But we have this in the book.
	Mark my words, there's going to be licenses and restrictions and maybe a test for you to have a 3D printer, and this is because the big business doesn't want you to have this technology.
	And it's all under the guise of, oh, you're going to print something scary.
	So what will it be next?
	What will the next scary thing be that you can print that there's going to be some restriction on?
	A hand grenade?
	It'll be something.
	It'll be...
	It's coming.
	Of course, these printers you can buy now, most of them are kind of for entertainment purposes, I think.
	Oh, they're junk.
	Yeah.
	But it is eventually going to be something really cool, but you're just not going to be allowed to have it.
	Unless people start getting in...
	I think that this is a bad law.
	Everyone thinks, oh, of course, but if you can get one law pushed through that restricts using something for a certain purpose, which you don't need because there's all kinds of laws about manufacturing things and how many and for what use it.
	You don't need an extra law to forbid the printing of gun parts.
	What, I'm going to have the Stasi knocking on my door to come and check and see if I don't have a lower receiver I printed?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, no, it's something...
	I don't know if you've hit this one, but there's something screwy about this.
	I'm telling you, John, it's to outlaw this technology.
	Well, I'm not buying into this at all.
	Okay, well, it'll take some time, but this has been my theory, and now all of a sudden Philadelphia, one of the three major hubs of 3D printing?
	Coincidence is rather large.
	I guess.
	I was stunned by a piece of news today.
	ABC News wins awards.
	ABC's World News with Diane Sawyer.
	Honored.
	Winner of the prestigious Edward R. Murrow Award for Best Newscast.
	ABC News.
	Honored with five Murrow Awards.
	No wonder more Americans choose ABC News.
	Wasn't that the World News Tonight that did the dog and the puppy story?
	Yeah.
	No, I could do that.
	I could record world news tonight with Diane Sawyer every night, and there's no world news in any of the stories.
	And it's always her breathlessly talking about something on Twitter.
	How does she win anything?
	Broadcast, it's won five or six.
	Obviously, the Edward R. Murrow Award is a piece of crap.
	Who distributes this award?
	I know Edward R. Murrow was out of CBS. CBS, right.
	Some group, but yeah, but CBS isn't giving ABC awards.
	But is this the Protection of Journalism Awards?
	No, no.
	RTDNA. What is this?
	RTDNA.org.
	Here's Edward R. Murrow Award.
	Of course, for this we just have to...
	Oh, there's several.
	They give it to the newscast, not the person.
	She doesn't get the award, but their show does.
	You know, outstanding achievements in electronic journalism since 1971.
	It's the Radio Television Digital News Association.
	They dropped digital in only recently.
	Wow.
	It's like the Webbys.
	Check here for rules and entry requirements.
	And so then you download this huge, or not huge, it's a PDF, which is, I'm going to see what this is.
	I'll bet you it's one of those things you have to pay.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, no doubt.
	They all have to pay for everything.
	They all have to pay, don't they, ultimately?
	One way or the other?
	No, there's awards, legitimate awards.
	You don't pay necessarily to get an Emmy.
	You have to be a member.
	A member of the Academy, sure you do.
	Which is expensive.
	Yeah, you've got to be a member.
	I'll look into this.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's award season, you know.
	It's time.
	It's time.
	We've got to start doing stuff like that.
	Wait a minute.
	Website.
	Who's eligible to enter this category?
	What do I need to enter?
	Five examples of functioning, cached, or active URLs that demonstrate the exceptional news coverage in journalism.
	Dvorak Uncensored.
	Perfect.
	How about the show notes?
	We can send them...
	The show notes are stunning.
	We should enter the show notes.
	569 links to stuff.
	Nuts.
	Not seeing that there's a fee here.
	February 7, 2014, to get it together, we can get it together.
	Uh-oh, uh-oh, entry fees.
	Oh, how much?
	Oh, listen to this.
	If you're a radio station and you're a non-member, or a member is high, but if you say you're a non-member, if you're a radio, it costs you $120 to enter.
	If you're a TV, it costs you $200 to enter.
	So what do you think a website should cost?
	Uh, $5?
	$245.
	It costs more than a television station.
	Oh, that's funny.
	So the website's the most expensive.
	They don't want anybody that could possibly have a quality product entering this competition.
	The Edward R. Murrow Awards, when you hear about anyone winning them, it's another one of these things where you've got to pay to be eligible.
	This is bullcrap.
	Anyway.
	And there you have it.
	Alright, I did some journalistic work and I think I came up with something that is smoking gun-like.
	It was not easy, by the way.
	There's a lot of work that went into this and here's the clip.
	We're just learning that a judge has now ordered the release of 911 calls from the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary.
	This just one day after a report revealed chilling new details about the shooter and images from that horrific day.
	It's all raising larger concerns about mental health in this country and whether it's in crisis.
	Our Brian Todd is working on this part of the story.
	Brian, what are you finding out?
	Well, Jim, experts are telling us they have no doubt that mental health in the U.S. is in crisis.
	They say that crisis is manifesting itself in rampage killings, other horrific incidents like the Newtown shootings.
	A new report, which includes some jarring photographs, addresses the mental health of shooter Adam Lanza.
	The shot-out windows of the entrance to Sandy Hook Elementary School.
	The Bushmaster rifle used to kill 20 children and six adults.
	Newly released bone-chilling images of the crime scene in the Newtown shootings from Connecticut state investigators.
	Black plastic bags taped over the windows of his bedroom.
	Mirror the dark mind of shooter Adam Lanza.
	Just off his computer room, there's a gun locker, a gun still perched inside.
	The new report says Lanza did a spreadsheet on other mass murders, kept a newspaper clipping from an 1891 school shooting.
	Adam Lanza is sort of a black box in which we see the crash.
	But we don't really know what happened that led to the crash.
	The report says Lanza had significant mental health issues, but the professionals who saw him did not see anything that would have predicted his future behavior.
	What may happen is that if you cannot definitively say that that patient is a danger to themselves or others or property, then you don't turn them over to the police.
	This is a tale of two families and their struggles with mental health.
	Now pay attention to this because this is where we see the narrative morphing towards what it really is all about.
	Not about guns, but it's a war on crazy.
	And so they take, all of a sudden it's a story about two families, completely unrelated story, but it's all about health care.
	How you take care of someone, if they're crazy, what constitutes as crazy, and be careful because you don't want to be labeled as crazy.
	A family whose efforts to get treatment for their son are unclear, and the family of Virginia State Senator Cree Deeds.
	Their son Austin was evaluated for mental illness.
	He was released from a hospital a day before he repeatedly stabbed his father and then killed himself.
	Released because, according to the Rockbridge Area Community Services Board in Virginia, there were no psychiatric beds available.
	CNN later learned at least three hospitals in the state had beds.
	Now, this is a very disgusting way of reporting.
	It's really, really not okay what they're doing, particularly in light of all of this so-called documentation that came out regarding Adam Lanza.
	And the so-called Sandy Hook shooting.
	So there's two documents, or two PDFs, and I have both of them in the show notes.
	And one is the final report, which most people are referring to, and the other is the compressed PDF with all of the pictures, the chilling pictures, which consist of nothing.
	First of all, you cannot open this compressed PDF unless you are using the Adobe Reader product.
	The Adobe Reader product, which I did install in order to open the archive, is a piece of spying crap.
	Which, in the show notes, I've also put Section 7 of the Terms of Service, which you have to agree to to use the product, regarding connectivity and privacy, which you pretty much don't have because this thing talks back to home base about what you're reading, how you're reading.
	It can pass passwords, usernames, all kinds of stuff.
	So it's spyware.
	The pictures they have in this, the ones you've seen on television, is pretty much what it is.
	There's a picture of a shot-out pane of glass at the front of the school, and then they show examples of doorknobs.
	They don't show the actual doorknobs.
	It even says in the document, example of a doorknob to a classroom, you know, classroom eight.
	It's not even the real picture.
	It's just an example.
	So there's nothing.
	There's not a single picture in there of anything that shows that anything happened.
	Not even a picture of blood.
	Nothing, nothing, nothing.
	But what I found in the In the notes of this final report, very interesting.
	Footnote 53 regarding the Bushmaster.
	This is the...
	I'll read you what it says, and then I'll read you the footnote that's referred to it.
	And this is really all I need to say, and then you'll know what's going on.
	Bushmaster Model XM15-E2S, semi-automatic rifle.
	The Bushmaster rifle is found in Classroom 10...
	The Bushmaster was tested and found to be operable without malfunction.
	All of the 5.56mm shell casings from Sandy Hook Elementary School that were tested were found to have been fired from this rifle.
	All of the bullets and fragments recovered from SHES and the OCME that were tested, with the exception of those mentioned immediately below, are consistent with having been fired from the Bushmaster rifle.
	Footnote 53.
	Footnote 53. No positive identification could be made to any of the bullet evidence submissions noted.
	Let me repeat that.
	No positive identification could be made to any of the bullet evidence submissions noted.
	In 5.56mm caliber, the physical condition of the bullet jacket surfaces were severely damaged and corroded.
	They all lacked individual striated marks of sufficient agreement for identification purposes.
	The test fires also exhibited a lack of individual striated marks on the bullet surface for comparison purposes.
	This condition can be caused by fouling in the barrel, the rifle, etc.
	So, just so you know, no positive identification could be made to any of the bullet evidence submission noted.
	That's funny, I didn't hear anyone mention that.
	Other testing.
	In the course of the investigation, swabbing to test for DNA were taken from various pieces of evidence in the case, both at Sandy Hook Elementary School and 36 Uganda Street, Yogananda Street.
	The purpose was to determine if anyone else had actively been involved in the planning or carrying shooting of the shootings.
	These swabbing were tested and compared to known samples.
	Two of the items examined from outside the building of Sandy Hook Elementary School, one from the shotgun in the shooter's car.
	We saw that in the trunk, which was handled by the police officers.
	And a second from 36 Yogananda Street yielded DNA profiles consistent with the DNA profiles of two of the victims killed inside Sandy Hook Elementary School.
	One in each.
	It is strongly believed that this resulted from an accidental transference as a result of the unique circumstances of this case.
	There's no reason to believe that either victim would ever have come in contact with these items, yet their DNA is on them.
	This stinks.
	We have DNA evidence of victims on weapons found outside the school, and we have inconclusive ballistics on any of the bullets fired.
	And they're all corroded for some reason.
	This is...
	And there's tons of stuff in here that isn't discussed.
	I mean, the items that I find interesting that were found in Adam Lanz's room are documents about child abuse, how to live with child abuse.
	Who knows what...
	Who knows what may have been going on at this school, or in this community, and what this kid was really doing.
	You know, there's a...
	Remember, was it Dumb Lane?
	Where the...
	The Boomtown Rats song, I don't like Mondays, I think it was Dumb Lane.
	Where now, years later, the story comes out that there was child abuse going on at this school, and the guy went in and said he'd rather kill the children and put them out of their misery than be abused by whatever pedo-bear ring was in this community.
	This is an angle that I don't have time for, but it should be looked into.
	Well, you have to wonder why the school had that weird, locked-down, prison-like quality.
	Because it had, you know, a locked door in the front.
	You couldn't just wander in like normal schools.
	If you're a parent, you can just go in.
	Is that to lock people out or to lock people in?
	You've always got to question that.
	Well, there you go.
	It could be either way, probably both.
	And then you tear the school down completely.
	Because were there...
	Yeah, it's gone.
	It's gone now.
	What was in there?
	If you're going to go into the direction you're headed here, were there some kind of chains and things where they'd hang the kids from your arms or whip them?
	Who knows?
	It could have been a bunch of dungeons in there for all you know.
	Which is, you know, look at the Isle of Jersey at the hospice there.
	I mean, this really happens, people.
	Yeah, it does happen.
	And then he had that odd situation where the kids formed a ring in front of some guy's house, and they were just sitting there chanting or something, and we don't even know what that was all about.
	And then there's the...
	This whole story, I think you hit a nail on the head.
	This story stinks.
	And so another thing you can't do with the compressed report is you can't do markups unless I guess you buy some other tool from Adobe.
	So I made a couple snapshots.
	Everything, by the way, is redacted.
	It's really...
	Useless is the word you're looking for.
	It's pretty useless.
	Here it is.
	Example classroom restroom door lock exterior.
	But it's not the door lock.
	It's examples.
	You know, which is done at, like, Home Depot.
	Then, you know, the, you know, where is Ryan Lanza?
	Is he...
	Are he and Adam Lanza the same person?
	There's so many open questions.
	So many.
	I think I've given...
	There's a lot of markups in the documents.
	But there's also...
	As you pointed out, the tearing down of the school.
	And then there's the lawyer, Monty Frank.
	He's a lawyer for the Newtown Victims Association, I believe.
	None of these so-called foundations, I can't find them in GuideStar.
	I can't find their 5013C status.
	Maybe they had never filed.
	Maybe they'd be late for the 2012 filing by now.
	But okay, I just can't find it.
	Yeah, I would be concerned about that.
	And I also understand that there are some efforts in the journalism community to try to release the rest of the information in the interest of public attention.
	Yeah, because we're missing some vital points.
	We're missing the police timeline.
	We're missing...
	Why would you redact the timeline?
	Well, because there's something to hide.
	To be brought to everything that happened.
	Do you see that as being an effective tool?
	Is that something that the general public really should know, the full scope of the investigation?
	Well, isn't this the most transparent administration in history?
	I don't think so.
	There needs to be a balance between First Amendment rights, people's curiosity, and the rights of the community.
	Is it really all that important that the details of what occurred at the school come out?
	Yes!
	When it's only going to serve to, again, hinder the healing process in the town, cause people in the town to have to block out media.
	You know, today we had media trucks and helicopters hovering in town.
	And that only serves as a reminder of what occurred back in December.
	Yeah, I think it's very important that we know exactly what happened, particularly if you listen to Dr. Drew.
	Now, this is not Dr. Drew.
	Drew on HLN. This is Dr.
	Drew on Love Lines or, I think, maybe the podcast.
	I don't know, because he's dropping F-bombs and stuff.
	Dr.
	Drew is the spokeshole now for the war on crazy.
	And he wants to...
	I think he essentially wants HIPAA to be amended or struck down so that a doctor who feels that, you know, you may be a danger...
	For whatever reason, you know, that you can just basically be committed by, well, by Dr.
	Drew.
	Both that guy at Virginia Tech and the kid in Aurora, Colorado, and the kid in Connecticut all had psychiatrists worsening mental health who couldn't fucking do their job because their rights and privileges couldn't be infringed upon.
	You understand?
	Yes.
	You understand?
	Oh, so this is interesting.
	Dr.
	Drew's angry about people having rights.
	All right, so here's what happened.
	He was on a hold, psychotic, in a hospital, released on a bunch of meds, Prozac, one of them, was allowed to return to school, was mandated to follow up.
	Nobody checked.
	So here's the deal.
	The school should be held accountable.
	Like, hey, you have a chronic, severe psychiatric illness which impairs you and endangers your safety and the communities.
	In order to enroll at this school, we need weekly to be able to see you're taking your meds.
	Right.
	Or at least monthly.
	Sure.
	Or else you're not enrolled here.
	Sure.
	There's nothing.
	Can't infringe on those freedoms.
	Sure.
	Nice!
	So we need...
	Dr.
	Drew was saying that, you know, of course we have 20% of all the kids on drugs.
	We have...
	The school has to check.
	The training facility will check to make sure you took your meds, which is exactly what they do in jail.
	And he's complaining that people have rights that don't allow this to happen.
	Well, if you remember, that's the fight I got into with Jon Favreau that gave me that panic attack.
	He was talking to a guy like your brother.
	He goes, don't let anybody tell you you should take meds.
	I was like, whoa, hold on.
	You are endangering.
	I can't allow you to say that.
	And we cut each other's face over it.
	Really?
	Yeah, because it really got me.
	It's like, you are endangering somebody's life.
	I was like, who the fuck are you?
	There it is.
	Dr.
	Drew.
	Wants to drug you, make sure you're taking the drugs, and lock you up.
	Well, there you go.
	There you have it.
	This guy's a danger to society.
	That guy should be locked up, apparently.
	There's a couple of interesting reports showed up on Democracy Now!
	I thought it was interesting.
	Of course, this is like one of those...
	How do you watch that?
	I can't watch it.
	Not only can you watch it, but the clip I took, I left in a little bit of the music so you could listen to Amy back announce it.
	Oh, she's back announce it?
	Where is Amy today?
	So, here's what the thing is.
	This is like one of these, oh, some lawyers are crooked.
	Oh, milk goes bad if you leave it out kind of stories.
	But it's still, this is Corporate Espionage Part 1.
	So Paul is connected to a trite.
	Did I Mikhail Paskalev, I spy.
	This is Democracy Now!
	I spy!
	This is great!
	She's really good at that.
	Let me just play that again.
	That was good.
	I'm glad you did that.
	That's very nice.
	Hi everybody!
	It's E100 with Amy Goodman.
	I spy!
	Mikhail Paskalev, I spy.
	This is Democracy Now, democracynow.org, the War and Peace Report.
	I'm Amy Goodman as we turn to...
	She does that well, too.
	This is democracynow.org, the War and Peace Report.
	Hey, everybody!
	It's 1.44 in the afternoon.
	I have a clip.
	I don't have it on this show, but I have a clip of her prattling off the end, at the end, being really late in it, but still having to announce some people's names.
	Yeah.
	She is a world beater in terms of...
	Fast talker.
	She should do a time and temperature check at this.
	Hey everybody, DemocracyNow.org, War and Peace Report.
	145 at 35 degrees here in Washington, D.C. I'm Amy Goodman.
	DemocracyNow.org, the War and Peace Report.
	I'm Amy Goodman as we turn to a new report detailing how corporations are increasingly spying on non-profit groups that they regard as potential threats.
	The report's called Spooky Business.
	Corporate espionage against non-profit organizations.
	It was released by the corporate watch group Essential Information.
	The report found a diverse group of non-profits have been targeted with espionage, including environmental anti-war, public interest, consumer safety, pesticide reform, gun control, social justice, animal rights, and arms control groups.
	The corporations carrying out the spying include the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Walmart, Monsanto, Bank of America, Dow Chemical, Kraft, Coca-Cola, Chevron, Burger King, McDonald's, Shell, BP, and others.
	According to the report, these corporations employ former CIA, NSA, and FBI agents to engage in private surveillance work, which is often illegal in nature, but rarely, if ever, prosecuted.
	Hold on a second.
	Hold on a second.
	Mr.
	Dvorak.
	I think without a doubt.
	Clip of the day.
	Not even close to being a good clip.
	It's a great clip.
	What are you talking about?
	It solidifies the theory completely.
	That the NSA is just spying for corporate espionage.
	Right.
	Or, well, blackmail, too.
	I had some clip that was about blackmail that was...
	What's this number two?
	This is a long one.
	The number two is the guy, this is the guy, well, it's long because this Hummer, who's more of an uh, uh, uh, uh, I mean, I'll ring the bell a few times, but it's just like it's out of control, is the guy who's partly responsible for doing the report.
	I think his byline's on it.
	It's long.
	Do we want to listen to it?
	Before we go to California, where we're joined by the report's author, Gary Ruskin.
	He's the director of the Center for Corporate Policy, a project of essential information.
	Gary, welcome back to Democracy Now!
	Explain what you found.
	Thanks for having me on the show again, Amy.
	Yeah, we found a tremendous diversity of corporate espionage being conducted against a wide variety of civic groups across the country in the UK, a case in Ecuador and in France as well.
	So what we found was a tremendous variety of use of different types of espionage tactics, from dumpster diving to hiring investigators to pose as journalists or volunteers, To electronic espionage, information warfare, information operations, hacking, electronic surveillance.
	And so this appears to be a growing phenomenon both here in the United States and maybe in other parts of the world as well.
	But our report is an effort to document something that it's very hard to know very much about.
	We aggregated 30 different cases of corporate espionage to try to talk about them.
	But really, each of the cases, we have very fragmentary information.
	And so it's hard to say we have what we have as a part of the iceberg, whether it's the tip of the iceberg or the tippy-tip of the iceberg.
	We don't really know.
	Gary, let's go to 2000.
	Yeah, really, Gary, you're boring me.
	Greenpeace files a federal lawsuit against Dow Chemical and Sassel, North America, for engaging in corporate espionage.
	The lawsuit alleged corporate spies stole thousands of confidential documents from Greenpeace, including campaign plans, employee records, phone records, donor, and media lists.
	Democracy Now!
	spoke to Charlie Cray, the senior researcher with Greenpeace USA at the time.
	He explained what happened.
	TBI, the defunct private investigation firm, hired subcontractors, including off-duty police officers who went through Greenpeace's trash, to find useful documents on a regular basis over two years.
	They did this almost twice a week on average.
	They also used subcontractors who had colleagues who attempted to infiltrate Greenpeace as volunteers.
	They cased the Greenpeace office looking for, we don't know what, but probably doing advanced scouting for people who would then intrude upon the property.
	We found a list of door codes.
	We found a folder that said wiretap info, which was empty.
	You know, what's irritating again about this, John, the Center for Corporate Policy, according to their website, non-profit, non-partisan public interest organization, nowhere to be found with their non-profit information.
	There's no 990 information.
	There's no nothing.
	There's no entry.
	That's annoying.
	Well, you're sure that's not essentialinformation.org, and they would be under that?
	Essentialinformation.org has been around way too long to not have a 990.
	Hold on.
	Essentialinformation.org.
	Well, then they're being sketchy at best.
	Well, listen to more of this guy and I'll look this up.
	We know this company has subcontracted with a company called NetSafe, which is a company that was made of former NSA officials, skilled in computer hacking and things like that.
	So, we really don't know the full extent of this, but what we've seen is incredibly shocking, and our goal is to bring this out into the light of day and to stop it if it's still going on.
	That was Charlie Kreese, senior researcher with Greenpeace USA, Gary Ruskin.
	If you could respond to that and then go on to talk about Walmart and Up Against the Wall, the non-profit organization.
	That's good enough.
	You can kill it.
	I'm getting tired of it.
	Anyway, apparently this is a...
	I think, you know, I guess the NSA trains people and when they quit the NSA they go off and becomes...
	It's like the whole country.
	This is all that's going on.
	It's moonlighting.
	It's like, hey, it's 5 o'clock, I'm going home, what are you doing?
	Actually, it's probably a pretty cool moonlighting job because you can come back to the office and look stuff up.
	Yeah.
	But a lot of police do.
	Yeah.
	Absolutely.
	Well...
	Of course, we had the news come out that the NSA apparently collected information on porn site activity.
	Oh yeah, you go to a porn site, you're now in the box.
	Here's what's interesting.
	The NSA is in this regard, using, what would the term be?
	Using behavioral patterns.
	To discredit them is no different than what Glenn Greenwald does on a regular basis to politicians.
	Republicans specifically.
	Didn't he write a book even about how two-faced the Republican Party is because the Republicans talk a big game but they have gay sex and man whores and all kinds of crazy shit?
	It's the same idea.
	Yeah, that's why there's an attraction.
	Right, but for him to publish this is like, oh, look at it.
	It's like, you do the same thing.
	Yeah, no, that's the joke of it.
	The whole thing's a big farce.
	And I'm getting really tired of the drips and drabs.
	You know, the WikiLeaks is even getting in Greenwald's face a little bit about...
	If I see one more report that says, Edward Snowden who released the documents in the wild to the world, I'm going to puke.
	And these are like big mainstream publications that keep repeating this farce over and over again.
	So the New York Times got a copy of this whole pile.
	Remember when the Guardian was going to have the guys come in and bust up the hard disks?
	Yep.
	They sent a copy of the New York Times for safekeeping, which is what Uncle Don should do, by the way.
	Not to the New York Times.
	Yeah, not to us.
	And so my friend Markoff...
	Was in New York when the thing was still a secret.
	I think most people know it's there now.
	And he was allowed to...
	Apparently everybody was just like a line of reporters that all wanted to look at this thing.
	So, wait a minute.
	This is the 50,000 or maybe 200,000?
	Yeah.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So, he says...
	One of the reasons this stuff may be leaking out shortly is it's actually a huge document, a big giant database, with a really crappy search engine.
	Yeah.
	Which apparently is the only thing you can use to access it because it's all this, you know, kind of like...
	It's like a binary file or something?
	Yeah, it's like a big binary bunch of crap.
	So it's just like a whole hash code.
	Shit.
	So he says it took him...
	He got his moment where he could just do some fool around, look at the document.
	And of course, what did I say?
	What did you find out?
	There must have been some cool stuff in there.
	He says it took him six hours to find one thing that wasn't even interesting.
	He says he could not find anything.
	The thing was, it's a fiasco.
	Interesting.
	Now, do you think that this is what...
	Maybe that's just what the Times was given, and that there is individual copies available in the Berlin Cabal?
	My thinking...
	Yeah, he didn't have a theory, but my thinking would be the following, which is that you get the pile of crap with the search engine, and then you are given a series of specific codes to type in, which will take you to specific documents that you can then...
	Ah, well, that would make sense, because there's no...
	So you'd have a key.
	Yeah, there's no way that Glenn Greenwald would let the New York Times have that, or anybody, because that's how he's going to become rich.
	That's what his movie is going to be based on, his book.
	That's why P.O., Pierre Omnidar, is putting money into it, because it's monetization.
	Yeah, my thinking was that the document the Times had is the document with the search engine, but the keys are missing.
	So Reuters...
	Which means you could get it back if the rest of them were destroyed and you could still find your stuff because you had the keys.
	Reuters had this to say, British and U.S. intelligence officials say they are worried about a, quote, doomsday cache of highly classified, heavily encrypted material they believe former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden has stored on a data cloud...
	The cache contains documents generated by the NSA and other agencies, includes names of U.S. and Allied intelligence personnel, seven current and former U.S. officials, and other sources briefed on the matter said.
	Of course, these days no one talks publicly.
	It's always sources.
	The data is protected with sophisticated encryption and multiple passwords are needed to open it, say two of the sources, who, like the others, spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.
	The passwords are in the possession of at least three different people and are valid for only a brief time window each day.
	There's a lot of information here for something that no one can talk about.
	Yeah, but it does give you some indication of the way it's established.
	This is like, you have all this stuff, but...
	It's useless.
	It's just generally useless, but you, with your keys or codes that can get to the specific places, probably can make it useful.
	This is like taking an encrypted hard disk and just taking the data off.
	It's useless.
	I don't like this.
	I really don't either.
	The whole thing is fishy.
	Well, it's not just fishy.
	It's wrong.
	There's information that is available and is being kept Because, what, I'm not smart enough to read through a document?
	I beg to differ.
	I think I am smart enough to dig through something and to understand...
	No, you can only look at slide 57.
	Yeah.
	So, who died and made these guys God that they can only...
	And by the way, why isn't the government killing them?
	That's obvious.
	It's all one game.
	They're all on the same team.
	If Glenn Greenwald really...
	I mean, we kill people for nothing.
	We drunk people because they have a signature of a terrorist.
	And we're not going to kill Glenn Greenwald, who holds the secret to all of our national security?
	Please.
	Yeah, I know.
	It doesn't make any sense at all.
	His book was Great American Hypocrites, by the way, toppling the big myths of Republican politics, where he does the same as what the NSA purportedly was doing with terrorists.
	Yeah, so I would like to know if my porn habits are being tracked.
	Sure.
	Let's say yes.
	But I don't want Glenn Greenwald or Pierre Omnidar or anyone to be in charge of it.
	And anyone who joins that organization as a true journalist should be ashamed of themselves.
	But you're all whacking off in your circle, jerk, about how cool it is and how much money you're going to make.
	You're sad.
	You got a lot of money from Omadar.
	Sad and pathetic.
	That article on Omadar, by the way, which I read after the last show and put a link to it in the last newsletter, is great.
	There's another one.
	No coincidence, by the way, they run that article on Omadar, and the next thing you know, that thing is shuttered.
	You think that's a coincidence?
	Yeah, but now they're a part of Get This Pando Daily, which is...
	Insane, because Pando Daily, to me, is a big joke, but now these same people published another article, Keeping Secrets, which is really quite damning.
	Let me give you the title.
	It's the same guy over at NSFW Corp., Mark Ames.
	Keeping Secrets, Pierre Omidyar, Glenn Grewald, and the Privatization of Snowden's Leaks.
	It's a good article.
	Definitely something to...
	And it kind of goes into, you know, how other whistleblowers really let all the documents out.
	You know, they really...
	Daniel Ellsberg...
	You know, the documents were available.
	And this is just not the case.
	And everything that comes out is one page.
	It's redacted.
	I mean, come on!
	When will people see this for what it is?
	Maybe never.
	Whatever.
	We'll see it.
	Whatever comes out, we'll continue to...
	We'll continue to bitch and moan.
	That apparently is what we're good at.
	It's the B&M show.
	Bitch and moan, everybody.
	No, but I like doing it.
	I like going through documents.
	I mean, no one on mainstream news media will tell you that there's inconclusive evidence on the Sandy Hook ballistics report.
	Completely inconclusive on all ballistics.
	Yeah, that's unbelievable.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	So another thing that got my attention, I want to get it out of the way, is the Chinese came out with, did you hear this story about the Chinese extending their rights to defend their territory past those stupid islands?
	Yeah, they drew a line on Google Maps and said, don't cross it, and then we flew across it.
	Yeah, but what cracks me up, listen to this report, I think this was on VanCat, and this is, we flew two B-52s, I didn't even know we flew those anymore, but we had a couple of them, over the area, we're supposed to check in, and we decided not to, just to see what would happen, and there's a little ironic twist to this.
	His concerns to Beijing.
	U.S. Vice President will confront Chinese leaders next week about their decision to expand the country's air defense zone to include two disputed islands in the East China Sea.
	The visit to China creates an opportunity to convey our concerns directly and to seek clarity regarding the Chinese intentions in making this move at this time.
	The so-called Senkaku Islands are controlled by Japan but are also claimed by China and Taiwan.
	Under China's new rules, aircraft have to provide a flight plan when passing through the zone or face defensive measures.
	The U.S. says it still regards the area as international airspace.
	And, as if to prove the point, on Tuesday it flew two B-52 bombers into the zone without alerting the Chinese.
	It accuses Beijing of trying to provoke an escalation in regional tensions.
	Okay, what's your take?
	Accuses the Chinese of trying to provoke.
	And we fly two B-52s over these islands.
	To be fair, the flight was scheduled many, many weeks ago.
	This is a pre-scheduled flight.
	You don't think it would have anything to do with the fact that we have the world's largest aircraft carrier in the Sea of China.
	I mean, come on, we're being dicks.
	I'm just saying, who's provoking who?
	Yeah, well, we're being dicks.
	Oh, apparently.
	Yeah, we got our aircraft carrier there helping the Filipinos.
	Oh, that fell off the radar.
	Yeah, well, and then finally there's this thing going on, you know, the Scots, they're trying to separate themselves, by the way, and this is going to fail.
	Yeah, well, the thinking is, well, they have a referendum if they want to separate from the United Kingdom, and if they do, the thinking is...
	Well, they want to be a separate country.
	Well, company is right, because they have a lot of oil.
	And they want it for themselves.
	The Scottish government's revealed its blueprint for independence from the United Kingdom.
	Despite pledging to forge its own prosperity, the document suggests keeping the British pound and the Queen.
	A referendum is due to be held next September.
	What is it, keeping the Queen?
	They're going to keep the Queen and the British pound.
	They take her to Scotland.
	Just like Canada, they think they're Canadians.
	They also kept the Queen.
	Yes, the Canadians still kept it clean as the Queen comes over about once in a while.
	Hey, that sounds like you.
	On that little Obama tone thing you've got.
	Next September.
	A symbolic stone marks the point where Scotland meets England.
	But could it soon become the border between two separate states?
	A new constitution would be written with the Queen kept as head of state, also proposed a new Scottish defence force of 15,000, the removal of Trident nuclear weapons currently kept on the River Clyde, and a new Scottish broadcasting service in place of the BBC. Causing the most controversy, currency.
	The document says Scotland would keep the pound but London said this won't necessarily be possible.
	UK Prime Minister David Cameron's firmly behind the Better Together campaign against Scottish independence.
	Its head MP Alistair Darling blasted the document as a work of fiction.
	It's a fantasy to say we can leave the UK but still keep all the benefits of UK membership.
	Instead of a credible and costed plan, we have a wish list of political promises.
	According to latest polls, some 38% plan to vote yes, while 47% would vote no.
	But they still have 10 months to make up their minds.
	Alright, well it's not going to happen.
	I think you're right, it's going to fail.
	Yeah, it's a dead end.
	I'm not going to do that.
	Okay.
	You know, can I just say something?
	Yeah.
	We're a little over time here.
	Yeah, I think it's time to kill the show.
	Let's kill something.
	I gotta, like, shave and get dressed.
	I gotta post-produce everything.
	Oh, you got a big dinner tonight.
	I have to cook a big dinner.
	It's actually starting now at 2 o'clock our time.
	What kind of thing is that sort of start?
	Well, I think there's a big football game and they want to go to the game.
	It's UT against something or other.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Dallas is playing Oakland or something like that.
	Oakland's playing...
	No, no, no.
	It's UT against...
	Whatever it is, we're for...
	Go UT! There's a college game, you're saying?
	Oh.
	I think so, yeah.
	That's weird on Thursday, but it happens.
	Look, I'm just going for the Cowboys and Trannies.
	That's what I've been promised.
	I'm coming to collect.
	And I have released a new daily source code.
	You can find that only on BitTorrentSync.
	Go to dsc.curry.com for more information.
	That's part of my become a Bitcoin millionaire before you're...
	It's part of your Mickey being gone.
	Exactly.
	God, I'm so bored without Mickey.
	I think I'm going to have to do something else.
	I'm going to do a daily source code.
	Coming to you from FEMA Region 6, and proud of it.
	In the morning, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from FEMA Region 9, if I'm not mistaken, Northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak.
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