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	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, November 14th, 2013.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 565.
	This is no agenda.
	Fishing for Herring of the Rouge Courier here at the Travis Heights Hotout in FEMA Region 6.
	Austin Tejas in the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where it's finally gotten a little bit cold, lows expected to hit the 60s.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	Wow, wow, John.
	How about a precipitation report?
	Yeah, I just noticed the weather around the country is pretty bad, so I thought I'd make people feel better.
	It's chilly here, too.
	I mean, all of a sudden, we've got a cold front.
	It's just, you know, it's like, oh, 40s during the day, and it froze two days ago?
	Nice.
	At night, yeah.
	It is nice.
	Not the case out here.
	No, no, no.
	In fact, this is the first time, well, there's 1890, there was a problem, but 1955, I think there was one, where we haven't had any rain at all, which we usually have a little bit by now.
	You know, I'm thinking, I was going to hold off on this, but maybe since you started with the historical stuff, maybe I should just hit you with it straight on.
	Unless you already know about it, I personally am very, very upset about this.
	Can I make a quick guess?
	Sure.
	You've become a warmest.
	No.
	In fact, we had dinner with some very famous Austin people who run several restaurants, but they ran Jeffrey's, which is a famous Austin staple.
	They sold it like two years ago, but they still own a piece, and so they invited us to dinner there.
	And these, you know, they're like in their late 60s.
	At a certain point, I'm just like, you know, we're going towards global cooling, don't you?
	And it was cool because they were like, you know, that doesn't sound too crazy because, you know, if you walk eastward long enough, eventually you're heading west.
	I'm like, wow, that's so deep.
	It makes so much sense.
	But no, that's not it, John.
	Thom Hartman.
	What?
	Thom Hartman has stolen...
	Your idea.
	And he has usurped you.
	And I'm upset.
	I'm upset because he's stolen the idea.
	I'm upset because we've been talking about your idea for, I don't know, five years.
	And he came out with the cycle book.
	Oh no, his book is missing too much information.
	Can we listen to a little clip of him with Amy?
	Oh, bragging about his cycles?
	His crash book.
	Here he is with Amy Goodman on Democracy Sometimes.
	The title is The Crash of 2016.
	Why 2016?
	Well, we're actually in this crash.
	It really started in 2016.
	I just want to hear your commentary, because you're pissed.
	I know you're pissed that his book is out.
	In 2006 when the housing market started falling apart, just like in 1927 when the housing market fell apart.
	And that crash lasted forever.
	See, when your book comes out, John, you've got to talk like that, too.
	You've got to have that snooty kind of talking with your teeth clenched thing.
	Quite some time, as Hoover did nothing.
	Now we have a situation where it's not just do nothing.
	Obama was successful in the first few months of his administration of putting enough of a band-aid on it that they're holding this back with bailing wire and bubble gum.
	But Bush had hoped, he saw this coming, the Bush administration, had hoped This is actually, what he says here is something interesting, which I want to ask you about.
	It sounds kind of like it could be possible.
	That they could wait until November of 2008, so it would be after the election, so it wouldn't hurt the Republican candidates.
	He was unsuccessful.
	The Obama administration is now, because they're not doing the real structural change necessary, they're hoping they can push it off to 2016, and that's why we chose that date.
	There's an enormous amount of effort in our government and in the Fed to try to hold this off.
	Does that make sense, John?
	Well, I mean, if you're a cycle guy, and there's plenty of them in the government, and I believe Bernanke's one of them, you would have expected the whole thing to collapse in 2009 anyway.
	So there was no way of...
	I mean, it was pushing itself off.
	The housing deal from the early 2000s.
	I mean, that bubble had started to form very early on.
	Early on, yeah.
	And I think that it caught...
	I think the whole thing collapsed and it caught him off guard.
	What specifically...
	He doesn't say this, but what specifically were they doing to kick the can down the road?
	Nothing.
	He can't cite anything.
	He's just making this up because he hates Bush.
	Well...
	But, you know, I have to say, he's out there, he cites all the previous, you know, he cites the 40 years and the 80 years, without saying 40 years, but I know the dates by now, I've heard you use them so often.
	But the thing that is wrong is, and I don't think I have this clipped, but Amy Goodman says, so what can we do to avoid it?
	And he has all these answers, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
	No, no, no.
	Understanding Professor, the Nobel laureate Professor Dvorak, the cycle comes just like the sun rises and sets.
	You can't stop it.
	Right.
	There's no stopping it.
	No, there's things you can do.
	There's band-aids, like quantitative easing is one of them, which does push it off, but eventually the economy still falls apart.
	And yeah, no, they think that you can do anything about this.
	I mean, for one thing, here's what gets me.
	First, you subscribe to this.
	This is what the problem with this book is.
	If you subscribe to the cycle theory at all, you subscribe to the cycle theory.
	Right.
	And thus, just as you said, it's like the sun coming up and down.
	Yeah.
	It's nothing.
	What can we do to prevent the sun?
	Nothing.
	Just like being a native in Africa.
	What are we going to do to stop the sun?
	Don't look.
	Close your eyes.
	You know, that kind of thing.
	So, what is nice, though, what I liked, you know, to your benefit, is that halfway through the interview, then Tom Hartman goes completely insane about global warming.
	And you've got to hear this.
	I know, it's funny.
	This is so insane what he's about to say here.
	I mean, I've heard some crazy things, but this one really, really takes the cake.
	And what about the issue of climate change that you also focus on and just made a video about?
	How this fits into the coming crash of 2016.
	By the way, climate change is a part of the coming crash, apparently.
	Oh, absolutely.
	We have a cycle, but somehow climate change gets involved.
	Yes, exactly.
	It's a part of it.
	It's another stressor.
	It's a stressor.
	John, it's just another stressor.
	It's a very, very significant stressor.
	And the video that we just did, Last Hours...
	He's promoting this video, which you have to watch.
	Which is over at lasthours.org.
	It's over at lasthours.org.
	John, you've got to talk about...
	Just the video just did.
	It's over at lasthours.org.
	In that, we point out...
	It's Tom with an H. The thing that the IPCC is not talking about right now, but the scientists are.
	People are hysterical about it.
	The scientists are hysterical about it?
	Or very concerned about it is that there are trillions of tons of methane hydrate, methane frozen up in ice in the Arctic and around continental shelves.
	Okay, now you've got to listen to this.
	So he's saying the IPCC is not talking about this because, you know, I'm sure they don't want to scare anybody.
	But the scientists...
	That's all they want to do.
	That's why it makes no sense.
	But the problem is they can't...
	Here's what he won't talk about.
	Wait, you've got to hear it.
	Don't analyze it yet.
	Well, yeah, you're going to play it for the audience.
	I've already heard this, by the way, this clip.
	Okay, I just want to play it because it's so funny.
	You're not surprising me because I've watched this whole thing with him.
	Oh, I'm so disappointed.
	Well, I'm sure the audience missed this fine Democracy Now!
	interview.
	I'm sure they all missed it.
	And so there's trillions of cubic tons of methane just waiting to erupt from underneath the polar caps.
	If that melts...
	Melts!
	Then there will be a sudden global warming.
	A sudden?
	Like, all of a sudden we're going to be burning up?
	When you look at the five past extinctions on the planet Earth...
	Oh, John, he has now studied the five past extinctions.
	I guess he has a DVD or something he reviewed.
	Every single one was triggered by one of these methane releases.
	No, what happened?
	What happened to, like, the asteroid?
	I never heard this.
	Every single one of the five, I can't even, can you name five previous extinctions?
	Oh, please.
	Every single one of them was triggered by one of these methane releases.
	Okay.
	Now he's just making it up.
	Now he's acting like a 12-year-old.
	Just throwing stuff out there, making it up.
	Yeah, this is where it gets funny.
	That is the worst-case scenario.
	We're hopeful that we can...
	How does Arctic drilling fit into that?
	Because, of course, the Greenpeace, the Arctic 30, the 28 Greenpeace activists and the two journalists who are now being shipped across Russia, jailed, they were protesting Russia engaging in Arctic drilling.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	We forgot to mention the Arctic 30 plus 2 journalists who are protesting drilling.
	Yeah.
	Protesting Russian drilling.
	Yeah, maybe.
	But not American drillings.
	And we're also on the edge of doing that same thing, and other countries are as well.
	NASA right now has an experiment called CARV. CARV. John, have you heard of NASA's CARV? CARV experiment.
	CARV. CARV. Carbon Arctic Reservoir Vulnerability Experiment.
	Carbon Arctic Reservoir Vulnerability Experiment.
	We have a nice acronym called CARV. And in our video, we have Charles Miller, the head researcher.
	Ah, Charles Miller.
	Nice.
	Glenn Miller's brother.
	What is he trying to win an...
	He's trying to...
	I'm a Hummer contest.
	What is he trying to out...
	Do Al Gore and make money on a movie?
	Not only that, he believes it, John.
	You can just see sitting there just like...
	He pointed out to us that there's over...
	I've got Glenn Miller's brother doing this.
	For a trillion tons of methane in the Arctic.
	All right, now here it comes.
	Here is the kicker as we end this clip.
	How are these trillions of tons of methane going to be let free?
	The answer may surprise you.
	On the next Inside Edition.
	Maybe as much as two and two and change.
	Two and change.
	In the Arctic worldwide, somewhere between four and seven trillion tons to trigger an extinction might take as little as one to two trillion tons being released.
	So when you do away with the ice sheet and then you and the Arctic Ocean is rather shallow, frankly, and then you start running ships through there that are stirring the warm waters in, you're playing with fire.
	Big giant blender.
	That guy's unbelievable.
	He should have stuck with the crash 2016.
	He had me there, but then he took me down this path.
	Yeah, it's weird.
	These guys are kind of brain damaged.
	They seem to be on the right track, and then they just go off the track into these preconceived or these, I guess, created...
	Little worlds that just boggle their own...
	I mean, I think it's short...
	Again, I've talked about this before.
	I think a lot of these people have...
	Their brains are short-circuited by contradictory information.
	How can a cycle be stopped?
	It's a contradictory thought.
	It makes them go numb.
	We had dinner...
	Was it...
	What day is today?
	It's Thursday.
	So we had dinner Tuesday night.
	With the Obama-bot friends of ours, the ones who won't have dinner with Republicans.
	So now this is the one that you always are interested in.
	I'm interested in all of them.
	I live vicariously through your fantastic dinners.
	So Mickey found this new place, which is kind of like a big dance hall, but it was interesting and the food was actually quite nice.
	But I discovered something new.
	And I discovered...
	That if you go all in on the Obamabot about Hillary, it makes them very uncomfortable and nervous.
	And here's how I did it.
	Okay.
	So, of course, politics came up.
	So, who do you think, you know, they're going to run against Hillary?
	And I thought he was talking about Republicans.
	I'm like, they got nobody.
	There's nobody who can run against, who can beat Hillary.
	No, he said, no, no, I mean from the Democratic Party.
	He said, Democratic Party?
	Who can throw Biden in there?
	He's brained it.
	No one cares.
	Just anyone who will just be easy.
	And he got really like, no, no, no.
	I said, Hillary is uniquely qualified to run our empire.
	And this is what throws them off.
	You've got to throw the empire word in there.
	But if you say, you cannot argue Hillary Clinton is uniquely qualified to run our empire.
	Maybe we should bring in one of the Castro brothers.
	What?
	What?
	You know who the Castro brothers are?
	The Castro brothers from Cuba?
	Well, you have...
	One of the Castro brothers is the...
	I think he's the mayor of San Antonio.
	Oh, so these are different Castro brothers.
	Different Castro, yeah.
	And his brother is also in politics.
	And you watch, because this guy is kind of on the...
	I suspect him of being a huge donor to the party, and more involved than he lets on.
	He lets on to me, at least.
	I think that they're probably going to...
	And it would be great to get a Latino Texan on the ticket with Hillary.
	It would be very interesting.
	That's an interesting ploy.
	The only problem with this guy, apparently, is he doesn't speak Spanish.
	Like, oh my god.
	Well, he can take some Spanish lessons.
	He better start learning, yeah.
	But I thought that was, okay, that's interesting.
	But that's an aside.
	Back to climate change for a minute.
	Well, I have the one climate change clip.
	I cut it down as much as I could.
	The guy in which they made a big deal.
	They played this guy's entire five-minute speech on Democracy Now!
	Because we're going to have Thalmarn on.
	This is the guy in the Philippines who's decided to go on a hunger strike until people start to cough up Green Climate Fund.
	Mm-hmm.
	Start to contribute or do something about...
	Now, I never heard of the Green Climate Fund.
	He's in the...
	So he was part of the typhoon...
	Yeah, he's a typhoon survivor, and he was talking to...
	I guess they brought him to some...
	I couldn't tell, but they brought him to some other country, and he was testifying about the typhoon, and this is kind of how it went.
	We simply refused to.
	Now, Mr.
	President, if you will allow me...
	I wish to speak on a more personal note.
	Super Typhoon Haiyan, perhaps unknown to many here, made landfall in my own family's hometown.
	And the devastation is staggering.
	These last two days, there are moments when I feel that I should rally behind climate advocates who peacefully confront those historically responsible for the current state of our climate.
	These selfless people who fight coal, expose themselves to freezing temperatures, or black oil pipelines.
	In fact, we are seeing increasing frustration and thus more increased civil disobedience.
	The next two weeks, these people and many around the world who serve as our conscience will again remind us of this enormous responsibility.
	To the youth here who constantly remind us that their future is in peril.
	To the climate heroes who risk their life, reputation, personal liberties to stop drilling in polar regions and to those communities standing up to unsustainable and climate disrupting.
	This guy ain't just your regular Filipino victim.
	It doesn't seem like it.
	He's reading this, by the way.
	Is this over at COP19 in Warsaw?
	Is this where he was doing this?
	Or is he actually in the Philippines?
	This is the only weak spot of this particular clip.
	Wherever he declared he was going to go on a fast until the Green Climate Fund got some attention.
	Well, this is what's interesting, is that this typhoon happened right in the middle of COP19. Which is the, you know, the big climate powwow.
	Yeah, this must be where he is.
	Let's just finish him up.
	We stand with them.
	We cannot solve problems at the same level of awareness that created them, as Dr.
	Pacari alluded to Einstein earlier.
	I even can pronounce Pacari's name.
	We cannot solve climate change when we seek to spew more emissions, sir president.
	And I express this.
	With all sincerity, in solidarity with my countrymen who are struggling to find food back home, and with my brother who has not had food for the last three days, with all due respect, Mr.
	President, and I mean no disrespect for your kind hospitality, I will now commence a voluntary fasting for the climate.
	This means I will voluntarily refrain from eating food during this COP. Until a meaningful outcome is in sight.
	Until concrete pledges have been made to ensure mobilization of resources for the Green Climate Fund.
	We cannot afford a fourth COP with an empty GCF. Okay, here's what I'm thinking.
	You know, the Asians are so reticent to actually be critical.
	Apparently the food at COP is so bad.
	This is his way.
	That's why he's apologizing so much.
	I'm so sorry, but I just can't eat this crap.
	This food is so bad in the commissary that this is his way.
	With all the apologies, Mr.
	President, I can't eat this food anymore.
	I'm going on a fast.
	And that's the way he...
	If it was an American who said, hey, the food stinks.
	But no, you can't do that in Asia.
	So this whole thing happened in the Philippines and my mind immediately went, when I realized this was taking place in the middle of COP19 in Warsaw, my mind immediately went to State of Fear, Michael Crichton's book.
	I'm like, okay, this could be interesting.
	And how, you know, we were just waiting for it.
	And of course, you know, people are now coming out and saying, well, obviously, this is due to climate change.
	There's just no two other ways about it.
	And we've got to throw in, like, George Clooney, who immediately threw in a meme, which he's jacked up from 95 to 99 now.
	Well, it's just a stupid argument.
	I mean, whether or not this particular storm is, anyone...
	If you have 99% of doctors who tell you you are sick, and 1% that says, ah, you're fine, you probably want to hang out with them, check it up for the 99, you know what I mean?
	The idea that we ignore it, that we're in some way involved in climate change is ridiculous.
	What's the worst that can happen?
	You know, we clean up the earth a little bit and...
	You know, and yeah, I find this to be the most ridiculous argument ever.
	Yeah, poor George, because he really messed up what he was saying there.
	He even said the idea where you have some climate change is ridiculous.
	He couldn't even get that out right.
	But the metaphor is all wrong, because if 99% of my doctors say I'm going to die, I'm going to hang on to that 1% guy who says, no, no, no, look, I got this thing over here, don't worry about it.
	I'm going to be sitting on his doorstep every single day to give me hope.
	So that is what used to be the 95%.
	And I've heard this literal meme, if 95% of the doctors said you're sick, you're going to believe the 5%?
	Well, I think the metaphor is wrong, because yes, I'm going to believe the 5%.
	Then we have, of course, the interesting case of...
	You know, there's so many, just to interrupt you, there's so many Nobel Prizes and other, in fact, there was one just recently, I wish I could remember the details, where one guy in a crowd, one lone physicist, Would say, no, I think it's this, it's this way, this is the way these things work in this situation.
	Ah, you're full of crap!
	Shut up, slave!
	And he just dogs on, and next thing you know, 25 years later, he's proven right, gets a standing ovation, and the whole thing.
	This is, you know, unless, there's never a consensus about any of this stuff, and that's what science, that's what makes science so interesting.
	Science is in!
	The science is never in.
	That's the thing you have to realize.
	Well, you don't have to tell me that because, you know, I listen to Dr.
	Keefe.
	No, I'm talking to the preacher of the Crockmire.
	Science!
	Alright, now, so what I find interesting is what is the first thing we do?
	And I had to go back and look at the map just to understand, and it dawned on me immediately.
	Please, if you're listening to this podcast and you have the opportunity, go to maps.google.com and just look at the Philippines and tell me where it is.
	And then say, hmm...
	Maybe that's why we sent our nuclear-powered United States ship George Washington aircraft carrier to go and help out.
	Yeah, how convenient that we're now in the Sea of China.
	Japan wasn't close enough.
	We're a little bit closer.
	We're over there where the Chinese have been working on oil deals with Manila.
	We're not sending an aircraft carrier to help.
	We're sending an aircraft carrier to guard to make sure that no one else weasels in.
	Now, here's the conspiracy theory which came out almost immediately and I thought was very interesting.
	Although I looked at all the YouTube videos.
	Maybe someone sent you a link from this guy, Dutch Sense, I think is his name, on YouTube.
	Maybe.
	And he has all these charts and graphs from God knows where.
	I'm sure it's all really, really well-researched.
	And he shows where the microwave blast caused the storm.
	And he shows it on the map.
	And then he shows what microwaves look like on a radio spectrum, which, that's where it fell apart for me, because I'm looking at...
	You're at five, you know, five megahertz.
	In the ham band, you're showing a software-defined radio from, like, sdrweb.com or something.
	So that's where...
	You're full of crap.
	But the idea...
	The idea...
	Because, you know, we just...
	A couple weeks ago, we were trying to get more bases in the Philippines, and the Filipinos were like, no, we don't think that's so important that you have these bases.
	Of course, we occupied the Philippines at one point, and the Philippines is very important.
	What do we get from the semiconductors?
	What other stuff do we get from the Philippines, John?
	Must be tons of stuff.
	Well, the main thing nowadays is call centers.
	Well, hey...
	Very important.
	I'm sure there's more than just call centers.
	Yeah, it's not really that important to us.
	I thought semiconductors was really big.
	No, we can do without them.
	Malaysia is where most of those come from, I think, and China.
	Is there enough oil for it to be interesting?
	The China sure thought so.
	No, I'm not seeing.
	Unless there's something we don't know about, but I haven't seen any evidence of this.
	Well, then how about just the strategic geographic location of the Philippines?
	I think, you know, if you're going to go toward here as some sort of weather modification...
	No, no, no.
	I'm actually debunking that because...
	Well, that's in his case, but it's possible that there's a storm that forms and you want to make it bigger.
	Give it a little boost.
	You might want to drop a bunch of silver nitrite on it or whatever.
	Is it nitrate?
	Nitrate.
	And just to pump it up a little bit, because it did go into...
	It passed through the Philippines, like who cares, and then it blasted and hit the Vietnam coast and went up into China, into some pretty interesting areas.
	So I don't know.
	I have no idea what the point of this was.
	There's been...
	These typhoons...
	Here's what bothers me.
	These typhoons are common to this time of year in this part of the world, and they've been going on forever.
	I was in one in Taiwan once, and it's really astonishing how much rain comes down.
	I mean, you can't walk.
	You can't believe how much rain comes down.
	You take one step outside, you are soaked.
	Is this the monsoon season?
	Is that what it is?
	Yeah, the monsoon season.
	I've been in Thailand when that hit, and that's pretty serious.
	I mean, not with the winds.
	It's very wet.
	It's wet.
	Very wet.
	Nothing can stop this water.
	You try to look up, for example, you go to the Wikipedia, and you look up typhoons in the Philippines, and you're trying to find some historic ones.
	There was a monster in 1911.
	There's another big one in 1967.
	So, I mean, these are all pretty dated.
	But there has to be stuff that goes way before that, and there's really no record.
	But you have to assume that this is not...
	A one-shot deal that's never had, nothing like this has ever happened before, which is what always bothers me, because we very rarely cover these typhoons that hit the Asia.
	Yeah, but now we have the climate change vibe.
	But we've got climate change now, so every little thing that happens anywhere is focused on, and then you use it as leverage for climate change.
	So here's what Erin Burnett did on her show.
	I found this to be quite...
	Bizarre.
	And I cut it down to like a minute 15 because it was a five minute segment and they went to their 3D studio.
	You know, where that guy who's apparently the only one...
	They're still doing that?
	Oh, yeah.
	He's the only guy who knows how to run the 3D studio, I guess.
	And he was showing us, well, this setup.
	So what if a super typhoon like Haiyan hit the United States?
	That's the question.
	That's what we need to know.
	We don't care about the Filipinos.
	When did our American...
	I'm going to stop for one second and bring up a point.
	Canadian news, which I always listen to when I'm up north, and Canadian news for decades...
	When I started listening 10, 20 years ago, was notorious for every news story was, oh, San Francisco had an earthquake.
	What would it be like if it was in Vancouver?
	What would it be like if it was here?
	And I always said, this is so lame.
	They can't just report the news.
	What happened?
	They always have to bring it to Canada.
	Oh, what would happen if it was in Canada?
	We don't care.
	Now we're doing it.
	But when you hear what they did on this one, I mean, it was like, do we really have nothing else to say?
	I guess Anderson Pooper was still en route to be boots on the ground or something.
	We couldn't get a live shot or something, or it just wasn't interesting enough.
	To give you an idea, as I showed you, that was the superimposed image.
	But when you're talking about some of these...
	They're showing the east coast of America with the radar image of the typhoon now off the east coast of America.
	Wind speeds, 235 miles an hour.
	There's nothing but anything like that.
	That's a Category 5 of epic proportions.
	Katrina hit, of course, much, much weaker than that.
	I believe about 120 miles an hour.
	Tom Foreman's out front.
	He's out front in our stupid 3D studio.
	I guess the question...
	The question is, the United States, is it prepared?
	Is it prepared?
	No.
	No.
	That's the simple answer because it's almost impossible to imagine.
	But let's go.
	What are we going to compare this to?
	Imagine being prepared for something like this.
	We've been trying to figure out the true scope of a storm like this all day long.
	Just imagine if this had hit Florida down here, effectively stretching from one end to the other.
	What might be affected?
	What might happen, John, if it were Florida?
	Can't we scare these stupid slaves into something?
	This is wreckage, wreckage, wreckage.
	It's unbelievable.
	The damage that would be done if this happened, Aaron.
	There's no question as much as you try to evacuate people, there would be huge loss of life.
	Huge!
	And even if you could get everybody out with that kind of damage, you would end up with somewhere around, add up these places alone, just the counties that are completely underwater, and you will have more than 11 million people with no homes, no businesses, no roads.
	Do you realize where he's taken us?
	We've gone from...
	A typhoon on the other side of the world to having no businesses, no home, wreckage, 11 million displaced Americans.
	And this would be a national catastrophe.
	A national catastrophe.
	What is the point?
	It's like during the Chernobyl thing, doing one of these stories where what if Chernobyl was in the middle of New York City?
	I mean, this is bull crap.
	This is needless bull crap.
	It's really sad.
	I mean, the conditions aren't the same.
	We don't have the same tropical environment.
	It's a tropical area, much more so than Florida.
	It's got different ocean conditions.
	It's the Pacific versus the Atlantic.
	The call centers suck in Florida.
	It's really not.
	They got work now.
	The mail order brides are no good in Florida.
	In fact, it might be a benefit.
	I'm sorry, Sir Gitmo Slave.
	You have some Floridians listening.
	Yeah, I know.
	So now that I'll wrap up my little segment here with another talking point.
	And this is also on CNN, because they aired the documentary, the Pandora's Promise documentary.
	And so once again, they have the director on, who of course is famously anti-nuclear, now he's pro-nuclear.
	And here is the talking point, which I don't understand why people don't just stand up and say, hey, that's bull crap.
	This is the talking point as to what, and the guy talking is, he owns a solar energy company.
	So he's a solar guy, and he hates nuclear.
	It's the same thing that Van Johnson said that we played, I think, on a Sunday or the Thursday before that.
	You work for a solar company.
	That's right.
	So you're completely against nuclear.
	Well, I wish nuclear worked.
	I wish it cost less.
	I think the primary problem with nuclear power today is it costs twice as much as solar power.
	We, as a society, have spent over $100 billion trying to make nuclear power cheap and affordable.
	The price, however, has just gone up.
	So about 30 years ago, it was about 5 cents per kilowatt hour.
	Just as recently as last week in the UK, my home country, kind of embarrassingly, has decided to subsidize nuclear so that they're going to buy from that power plant at 20 cents per unit of energy.
	That's...
	So, the argument that I'm hearing now against completely carbon-free energy is not even, we're afraid of, ooh, the 60 people who died in total of all nuclear catastrophes.
	And people can yell and scream and email me all you want, but you really look at the World Health Organization.
	I'm going to interrupt you for a second.
	Somebody brought up this point to me.
	I think it was Buzzkill Jr., because he's got a friend who's this nuke guy.
	Pro nuke?
	Who's always just feeding them, yeah, this is why it's better.
	He said...
	Can you get the number for me, asking me the question, I want the number of how many people died in the Fukushima disaster?
	I think it was like three guys or five guys who died during the actual explosion.
	There's numbers not available because I think the number is lower than anyone wants to...
	But if you even go to the World Health Organization, who you would expect to lie on the anti-nuke side for Chernobyl, they'll say total was about 60 people.
	And it's inconclusive if all of Europe has thyroid issues and they all died of throat cancer.
	It's inconclusive.
	We've talked about that enough.
	This is now...
	This has now come down to price.
	You're going to tell me that when you have all these other options of cap and trade and carbon tax, that why don't we just, if it truly is going to fix it but it's too expensive, why don't you take all that bullcrap off the table and just do the expensive stuff?
	Why does no one say this?
	Oh, it's too expensive.
	Oh, I guess...
	Fuck the planet.
	Wait, the world's gonna come to an end.
	Yeah, fuck the planet.
	It's too expensive.
	We're all gonna die, but this is too expensive.
	Yes!
	This is what I don't understand.
	How come no one says exactly what you just said?
	Oh, so it's not worth it to you to spend more to save the Earth.
	No, it's...
	Well, we tried.
	We tried.
	It's too expensive.
	It's twice as expensive as this great solar, so I guess we'll have to use this.
	This is infuriating.
	I'm screaming at the television when I see this.
	I have to say, I kind of mentioned this in the newsletter.
	This kind of discrepancy, our show seems to be the only one that ever discusses it.
	It's so obvious.
	Because we're not getting any money from big oil, from big solar, or big nuke.
	That's true.
	That's why we discuss it.
	We're just sitting here bitching.
	And on that note, in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak.
	Oh!
	Well, in the morning to you, Adam Curry.
	And in the morning, all the boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, all the dames and knights out there.
	And I think I left something out.
	That's all right.
	I'd like to thank the Human Resources.
	Say in the morning to them.
	They're in the chat room.
	NoagendaStream.com, NoagendaChat.net.
	In the morning to our artists, and thank you for your courage, Nick the Rat, who was...
	The artiste for episode 564.
	And we always look forward to what we can find at noagendaartgenerator.com.
	We love our artists.
	We do.
	And the way we, as we just mentioned, we don't get any money from oil, from solar, greenies.
	No green money here.
	No nuclear money.
	Green money.
	Green money.
	None of that.
	No.
	The way we do it is we are paid by our producers, people who listen to the show and actually produce it by finances and also by information.
	And we have associate executive producers just like Hollywood and associate executive producers.
	And John is going to go down the list right now.
	We have executive producers and associate executive producers, as a matter of fact.
	And for some reason, and I can't put my finger on why, we have a lot of them today.
	And I want to thank every one of them for jumping in.
	Cool.
	But let's start with Sir David Foley, the Baron of Silicon Valley, or the Duke of Silicon Valley.
	I'm sorry, he's way up there.
	He's a Duke.
	Yep.
	Came in with 642.77, which is...
	That's an interesting number.
	Show 565 plus a bunch of stuff.
	565.
	He found his club, 565 membership, and a sack of lucky sevens.
	Nice.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	So he says, sorry for the gap in support.
	I've been on the road scooping up content for 4kspecial.com, which is his website.
	He sells 4K TVs, and they ship them.
	And he continues to offer no agenda listeners $50 off a purchase of a TV or streaming player.
	Using the discount code NA. And they match that $50 discount with a $50 donation to the show.
	And so this is 565 membership in the sack of sevens.
	Sack of lucky sevens.
	I want to thank him.
	And also thank Sir Lenart Renkema in Groningen.
	Yeah, Sir Lenart.
	33333.
	He must have sent a note in, and I should have pre-screened this.
	Let's take a look.
	Yeah, sometimes we screw up those notes and people get very upset.
	Yes, they do.
	But also, please don't send a birthday wish two months in advance through a check.
	No, don't do that.
	The chances that we do that, the chances are low.
	I mean, it's us.
	It's just us.
	There's no one else.
	We don't have any secretaries working for us.
	No.
	So here's...
	Rancoma didn't say anything in his email.
	No, I don't see that he's sent as a note.
	If you have a note, Leonard, send it again.
	I don't see it either, John.
	I'm looking at it.
	Luke Rayner, 33333 in London, England.
	Here's 333.
	33 for the best podcast in the universe I'm donating is a birthday present to myself.
	I turned 31 this Friday, the 15th of November.
	I can't believe I've been listening to you guys since my early 20s.
	When I was a kid, I used to listen to the No Agenda show.
	Wait a minute.
	He turns 31, but he's listening since his early 20s?
	He means listening to us.
	Right.
	Us guys.
	You've been doing stuff, I've been doing stuff.
	But it's mid-20s.
	It could be.
	You've been doing stuff for at least...
	Oh, I see what you're saying.
	It's not just this show.
	Okay.
	Not just the show.
	He didn't say he's been listening to the show.
	You guys.
	I firmly believe you have shaped the way I live my life.
	Hey.
	Whoa.
	That's nice.
	Allowing me to see beyond all the bull crap that's put out there by the mainstream media.
	I don't own a TV, and apart from the occasional show on a BBS player...
	The BBC iPlayer.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	BBC iPlayer.
	I say BBS. We're going to rebrand that thing.
	It's the BBS player.
	The BBS player.
	You guys are the only news I listen to.
	I love the lack of commercials in my media consuming life.
	Please give a shout out to my band, Leafhound, who ironically for me have just cut a lucky break with one of our songs being used in the latest Casio G-Shock project, Chili Commercial.
	Oh, that's great.
	That's money in the bank.
	You get on a commercial like that for the Casio?
	That's huge.
	Congratulations.
	It is huge.
	I'd also like to request some karma for my latest business venture, sportiveuk.co.uk.
	We organize bike rides, and our ride, the Essex Season Ender, is coming up this Sunday.
	Hopefully the karma should keep everything running smoothly, so you want some karma.
	Thanks again for countless hours of entrainment and making me sound knowledgeable at dinner parties.
	Soundbite.
	He talks in no agenda soundbites.
	Perfect.
	It works.
	Proof.
	You've got karma.
	We know it.
	You can use it.
	And your new one will be Hillary Clinton is uniquely qualified to run the American Empire.
	And just watch the smoke because they can't say anything.
	Oh, by the way, Elizabeth Warren apparently is also...
	Someone's throwing her up now?
	Have you seen this?
	I can imagine throwing up.
	This is like she's being thrown into the ring as, you know...
	Oh, as a potential candidate to run against Hillary?
	Uh-huh.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, they got to make it look good.
	Yeah.
	We need a horse race.
	Pun intended, everybody.
	And finally, our last executive producer, Sir Random Hillbilly from Elkins, West Virginia.
	I don't have a note from him.
	I don't think so either.
	I should go over these notes.
	I'm going to double check.
	No, no.
	Random Hillbilly.
	Tim, I have his email.
	Well, this is kind of the only thing you have to do.
	You know, I take a lot of these notes and then I forward them with the moniker N.A. notes.
	Yeah.
	And then by the time, there's a couple of things.
	By the time I start doing the clips, I just lose track of that part of it.
	But let me take a look at N.A. Just look up N.A. and it's in subject and I just get all of these notes.
	I don't have a few.
	I mean, I always hold on to everything.
	I have a little folder for stuff that you tell me to say, but it's not any of these.
	No random hillbilly.
	Yeah, we get a lot of notes from the NA show.
	Well, anyway, okay.
	But now, is our next one, is that not an executive producer at that level?
	Well, I think we had it on our beach.
	Well, we'll give it to Nina, but...
	Well, but is it Elena or Nina?
	No, it's actually Elena Jeffco from Hamburg.
	I guess I just went through her other person's account.
	I always thought it was 333.33 was the cutoff.
	I thought...
	Okay, well...
	But it could be confusing.
	I'll go back and look on the support page.
	We don't even know.
	We do know.
	It's on the support page.
	Well, the support page.
	Like athletic support?
	Borac.org slash NA is the support page.
	You can read the next one and I'll check and see what it says on the support page.
	I don't see random hillbillies in mail here.
	No.
	I don't see the other things here either.
	Oh, well.
	Nina, I'm sorry, not Nina, Elena Chevko from Hamburg.
	In the morning, Adam and John, I'm a new listener of the greatest podcasts in the universe.
	I want to thank you for your courage and your hard work.
	I'd like to request a biodiversity.
	Don't be a denier.
	And you've got karma jingles.
	If you would be so kind, would you mention my project that's on Kickstarter?
	It's at sawomambo, S-A-W-O-M-A-M-A-B-O. Thanks so much.
	And she voted for no agenda in the podcast awards.
	I just found something out about that.
	What?
	You have to go back and vote every day.
	Why?
	Because everyone else is doing it.
	Apparently you can vote for your favorite podcast once in every 24-hour period.
	So this is the problem.
	People go, click, vote, whatever.
	You need a bot.
	Hey, we got people out there.
	Can somebody write us a bot to do this?
	I think voting closes today.
	All right, here comes us.
	Another year goes by.
	Another year.
	Another award ceremony.
	I'm on the best Saturday.
	Hey, don't be a denier.
	The science is in.
	Science!
	You've got karma.
	You ask, we deliver.
	$266 from Werner Flipsen in Bergshenhoek.
	Bergshenhoek, pretty good.
	Uh, that's in Holland.
	The donation should put me well in the night.
	Hood executive producer, no agenda, blah, blah, blah.
	He got some numbers.
	I want to be called the Wi-Fi night.
	I know why.
	I won't tell you why, but yes, you will be called the Wi-Fi night.
	I know why.
	Without telling me why, I can guess why.
	All right.
	He's the guy who's a guy.
	He's a guy.
	Thanks, I just realized I shouldn't say anything.
	Thanks for making my commuting interesting, and please, a MILF shout-out to my wife.
	MILF! That's one mother I'd like to...
	Kevin Hart in Pleasanton, California.
	A very nice little town there in the East Bay.
	$250.
	That's what they have at the county fair.
	Long overdue value for value.
	Thank you for your hard work and analysis.
	Now I can stop feeling guilty for not donating and enjoy the show for a while.
	This will not be my last donation.
	There are a few things in life I look forward to anymore, but no agenda on my Monday and Friday commutes is one of them.
	I can imagine if you have a commute...
	And, you know, it's like, and Monday especially.
	And maybe Friday too.
	It's like, hell yeah, you start the week off and then you end the week with us.
	I can see where that's cool.
	That's nice.
	I can see it.
	Especially when you have the Mondays.
	Yeah.
	Sander Hoeksbergen in Zandam.
	2222.
	Oh, hold on a second.
	This is interesting.
	I hadn't realized this could happen.
	So we have the Make It Rain donation, which is 1-11-11.
	Yeah.
	And Sander, oh, now I get it.
	He tweeted, and he wanted a double Make It Rain donation.
	But he gave me the names, John, so you have to, he wants Tara and Robin to be called to the stage.
	So are you ready?
	I know we have it.
	Okay, I'm going to put it on the list.
	We're going to do it in the part of the show where we...
	Why don't you do it now?
	We can do this one now.
	I don't want to do it over and over again.
	I want to do it after.
	We'll use his names, Tara and Robin...
	Which is what he wants.
	Yeah.
	And then we'll...
	Because I have a...
	I wrote two scripts.
	Oh, I see.
	Because I listened to the guys and I didn't realize there's a little pattern.
	You did homework.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I did some work.
	So there's a little pattern involved.
	I've got to put the pattern in and I'm going to...
	Because there's going to be two people, I'm going to have to alter the script a little bit.
	I didn't realize you had worked on it.
	Oh, yeah.
	All right.
	Well, hold on.
	Because I blew it so badly on the last show.
	Yeah, you did.
	No, you did.
	You did.
	You did.
	I felt bad.
	All right.
	So then let me just, because he's an associate executive producer, let me give him a stock Make It Rain.
	How does that sound?
	Okay.
	Up next, Bambi.
	Bambi onto the stage.
	That's no good.
	That stinks.
	You're going to have to throw those clips out because I got the way it should be written down.
	I did some work on this.
	I can't wait.
	Oh, wow.
	I can't remember.
	I'm so excited.
	Hey!
	Come on, come on, come on, come on!
	I can't get you to do it now?
	No, no, no.
	I'm going to do it.
	I told you I have to make an alteration because I've got two names.
	Okay.
	Gene Natuliev.
	Hey, this is Sir Gene.
	He also wants to make it rain.
	He also wants to do two ex-bitches, but he doesn't have any name for us, which is okay.
	Well, he can send it to me through the back channel.
	Well, I don't want to have three.
	I guess I could do three.
	Well, you're going to have more because we have Make It Rain donations coming up.
	Yeah, but we're not going to just keep doing that.
	I'm going to do the one announcement with all the women in it.
	That's what I mean.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Because we've got destiny in the narcotics.
	We're going to be at the Gold Club.
	A lot of stages.
	No, no.
	We will be the gold club.
	That's the plan.
	Hello?
	Dame Joan Dautifree in Morgantown.
	Sir.
	Dame.
	Dame.
	Dame Joanie.
	Morgantown.
	200 bucks.
	Love you guys.
	Thank you so much for watching MSM for all of us so we don't have to.
	And I think that's right.
	Oh, by the way.
	Oh, no.
	I'm sorry.
	That's for anything.
	These things are...
	I don't like the way this is laid out.
	This donation is to honor my son, Sir Max, whose birthday was last Thursday.
	Last Thursday.
	Yeah, last Thursday.
	Last Thursday.
	But I forgot to donate in time for the show last week.
	May I please have a de-douching for being a bad mom?
	You're a horrible mom!
	This is no good.
	You've been de-douched.
	You're bad mother.
	Bad mother.
	But as a bonus, she'd like to honor her husband, Alex, on his birthday, which is today.
	A honor.
	Even though he doesn't really deserve it because he refuses to listen to the show.
	Oh, wow.
	No, he doesn't.
	That's weird.
	I think if he visits the No Agenda News app, at least, he won't say for sure.
	Also, some travel karma would be greatly appreciated if he traveled to Cozumel again this year over Thanksgiving for some diving and much-needed relaxation.
	We're going to be hanging out with some of my friends who is a total obot, and hopefully the karma will help me keep my mouth shut so I don't ruin the whole week for everyone.
	It's another installment of...
	You've got karma.
	Remember, just say, Hillary is uniquely qualified to run the empire.
	Sit back and watch the fun.
	Andrew Wilson in Hampton, Victoria, $200.
	Great show.
	Can I get some karma for my wife?
	And I were trying to have a human resource.
	Thanks.
	Andrew is in Melbourne.
	Absolutely.
	You've got karma.
	Good luck with that.
	An anonymous $200 donation from Dublin, Ohio.
	So three months from now.
	No, no less.
	Like six weeks or so, we should know.
	If it worked.
	Well, if it worked for Andrew.
	Oh yeah, we'll know.
	Yeah, he'll let us know.
	We're good with that.
	I have a feeling that somehow we have some lucky juice there.
	It's the vibration of the bell, I believe.
	That would be it.
	Anyway, I want to mention to people that you can help us continue doing this show for as long as you want by going to NoAgendaNation.com, NoAgendaShow.com, or Dvorak.org slash NA, which is the main support page.
	Dvorak.org slash NA. And PR mentioned, remember Nick Principe donated and he got our name on the credits?
	Yeah.
	Of a movie?
	So the movie is The Black Cat and the Raven.
	Open your browser, John.
	He took a shot of it.
	In fact, I'm going to do it too because there's audio with it.
	It's short, but it's beautiful.
	and go to namoviepr.curry.com and that should take you right to the movie.
	And I'm going to listen to what happens when our name shows up.
	So it says, our feature presentation shall begin in a moment.
	Join us on Facebook.
	And then, the Black Cat is proudly sponsored by No Agenda, noagendashow.com, devorac.org, slash NA.
	And people are clapping in the audience, John.
	The audience is clapping for our show!
	What am I looking at?
	Are you seeing it?
	Yeah, well, it's right now.
	It's just showing the feature presentation thing.
	And wait, and you'll see it.
	You'll see it.
	You see how...
	It seems like a long time.
	There it is.
	Join us on Facebook.
	Search for...
	After that.
	After that.
	Retro Phantasm Film Series.
	So this is at some theater, I take it.
	Yeah.
	And everyone's clapping.
	Somebody used the No Agenda thing that they sponsored it?
	Yeah.
	Don't you remember?
	He donated and he sponsored us with like a movie donation.
	Oh, yeah.
	I remember that.
	He bought the credit?
	So he's now...
	But the crazy thing, people in the audience are applauding our show.
	And not like him, but like a bunch of people.
	Like a bunch of people.
	This is in North Carolina.
	We have more listeners than we think.
	Yeah, that's what was so amazing.
	And people go, woo!
	Oh, I like the way he rolls out the logo.
	No agenda, woo!
	What?
	People actually have heard of our show?
	I thought that was extremely cool.
	That's in the show notes, of course.
	I liked his little creation here with the fireball.
	It's pretty.
	It's very pretty.
	I think it's good.
	Well, thank you all very much.
	This is indeed a good showing for today.
	Thank you to our executive producers and associate executive producers for keeping the show on the road.
	And of course, just like in the movie theaters, we need you to go out and propagate our formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	You.
	What?
	Order.
	Shut up, slaves.
	Shut up, slave!
	I wouldn't mind going straight into...
	Let me see if I have it.
	The distraction of the week.
	On no agenda.
	The course.
	This would definitely be, disappointingly, the most emailed article that I received where the British authorities say it is pretty much likely and probably an accident that that spy zipped himself in the bag and locked himself in the locker and died in this tragic accident.
	And while, you know, so it's like...
	Look, we know that that's bullcrap, obviously.
	And it's become like a joke, where we're just like, oh, this is so crazy, I can't believe they're saying that.
	But meanwhile, all this stuff is happening that no one's paying attention to.
	Particularly in the United Kingdom.
	And let me see, I thought I might have a clip here.
	There is a shut-up slave, slave training exercise going on that is of just epic proportions.
	That is now about to be...
	It's a proposed bill, and the way I understand it from people who have helped me read this, and this is in Gitmo Nation East in the UK, it looks like it's going to pass with very few, if any, amendments, and pretty quickly, which means then it goes to royal assent.
	I guess the Queen has to sign off on it.
	And this is the new Antisocial Behavior Crime and Policing Bill, Or 2013-2014, where we now are introduced to the IPNA. Now, have you heard anything about this, John?
	The IPNA? The Injunctions to Prevent Nuisance and Annoyance.
	No, no, you got me here.
	This is...
	I can't believe that the people of Britannia are not on the streets rioting against this.
	This gives the authorities, this bill, actually I'll read you the, they call it a bill in the UK too, go figure.
	Makes provisions about anti-social behavior, crime and disorder, including provisions about recovery of possessions of dwelling houses, so they can kick you out of your house, there's all these things they can do.
	But essentially, it's also pre-crime.
	If you are a nuisance or annoying person, The police can arrest you.
	They can throw you out of your house.
	They can throw your family out of their house.
	If you are 10 years of age or older, this is a change from the anti-social behavior orders where it was 18, but no, no, no.
	And now a local authority can do this.
	A housing provider can do this.
	The chief officer of police for a police area.
	A constable of the transport police force, like the tube cops.
	The Environment Agency.
	The tube cops.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	And when you read through this bill...
	Why did the British put up with this?
	Well, because they're being tricked into laughing about the spy in the bag.
	And, you know, anyone who was remotely 29 steps removed from the royal child, that's all that the press is talking about over there, apparently.
	And this thing is, it is just sick.
	When you see...
	I mean, literally, if you're a nuisance, an annoyance, or if you are going to be a nuisance, then all these powers kick in.
	And I am flabbergasted that this is not the number one conversation in Gitmo Nation East, because if this thing passes, that's it.
	You're done.
	How can you stop this?
	You have no recourse.
	This is why we have guns in America.
	It's to stop this tyrannical behavior from the government.
	And by the way, a criminal behavior order that includes a requirement must specify the person.
	A person may be an individual, but can also be an organization.
	So it's not just for individual persons.
	It could be for your knitting club, because they're an annoyance.
	And it can be from making noise.
	They can come on a public place and determine that you are a nuisance and tell you to shove off, go away from this public spot.
	How can people stand for this?
	This is against human rights even.
	Well, that's from our perspective.
	This is the reason we put the Bill of Rights in because we were sick of the British rule where they just, you know, hey, a soldier is going to stay in your place.
	Hey, we're going to come in and look around and all that sort of thing, even though we have a bunch of people now wanting to go back to that for obvious reasons.
	Yeah, who...
	Who?
	No bots?
	But you know, it is kind of like that.
	So first of all, the problem really stems from the drinking.
	And the drinking is because there's nothing to do for the kids.
	There's no jobs, there's no future.
	I mean, Christina's friends, they're either growing weed in their basement and selling it, or they're working for Domino's and distributing weed in the Domino's boxes.
	Or they're in Afghanistan, shipping poppies back.
	And we got some information on that later on, too.
	But these new laws where being annoying is going to be...
	I mean, this show, we probably could not do this show in the United Kingdom because we would just be annoying.
	And we can be given an order to stop.
	We are doing it in the United Kingdom.
	They can't come into our house, those bastards.
	Not yet.
	I'm just flabbergasted at these things.
	And this is Cameron.
	Cameron, the big libertarian.
	And so I have links to the legislation in the show notes.
	Read through it.
	I think I tweeted a link I'm like, well, this is a model for Europe, the UK setting the stage.
	And then English people were like, what section of the bill do you find so offensive?
	What?
	What section?
	How about the whole bloody thing?
	It's just flabbergasting.
	Flabbergasting.
	Yeah.
	Really, really, really flabbergasting.
	And then, of course, as a part of the...
	It keeps things nice and quiet for the upper class.
	Well, that is really the truth.
	It's really all about...
	This is law for the upper class because the riffraff are annoying me in my neighborhood.
	Yeah.
	Oh, these riffraff.
	They're making too much noise.
	Now they're yelling at each other.
	Call the police.
	In Europe itself, we had the Council of Europe, which I'm still a little unclear what the Council of Europe does.
	Yeah, you know, I am too.
	It comes and goes in the news cycle.
	It's like, what?
	This is different than the legislature of Europe, the Council of something else, and there's a million councils.
	They've got a big website.
	They've got a really big website.
	It's like the Security Council of the United Nations, I believe.
	Well, so they're all over the hate speech thing, which is another thing, which is, how can you distinguish freedom of speech from hate speech?
	This is, again, just not something that makes any sense in my mind.
	Students and human rights activists have discussed ways to stop the spread of hate speech at a conference in France.
	Stop the spread like it's an ink fleck.
	Ink spot.
	That was Dutch.
	An ink spot just spreading the spreading of hate speech.
	What does that even mean?
	I hate you.
	Hey man, that's unconstitutional.
	The Council of Europe held the three-day meeting in the eastern city of Strasbourg.
	Dude, a three-day meeting about this stuff?
	I hate you.
	You're ugly.
	You look gay.
	I don't like you because of that.
	Is that hate speech?
	I don't know.
	Hate speech is anything you want it to be.
	Thank you.
	The conference attracted over 150 participants from 38 countries.
	Hate speech is legally prohibited in many European countries, but the regulations are not keeping up with the expansion of the number of Internet users.
	Oh, it's hate speech on the Internet, of course.
	Some countries are considering...
	Wait, hold on a second.
	Back up that clip, and I want to hear that again.
	What's not keeping up with the number of users?
	The regulation is the regulation.
	It doesn't have to keep up.
	It has to exist.
	It doesn't have to change.
	Oh, there's twice as many people.
	Let's change the law.
	What?
	I'm pretty sure it's about the anonymous hate speech, John.
	But still.
	The regulations are not keeping up with the expansion of the number of Internet users.
	Some countries are considering imposing tougher penalties.
	You say I hate you and you blow up?
	What could a tougher penalty be?
	Just how to deal with hate messages posted on the internet.
	Oh!
	One person proposed stepping up online monitoring and asking website operators to delete them.
	Yes, this is a good concept.
	It's called moderating.
	More monitoring.
	No, we need monitoring from the government.
	Government will monitor you and we will ask you politely to remove the hate speech.
	If you do not remove the hate speech, your website will go poof.
	Another said schools should educate students not to use hate speech by showing them examples of it.
	Oh.
	Oh, let's see examples of porn.
	I know it when I see it.
	We eliminate hate speech, but we can prevent it from taking root on young people.
	Council staff member Rui Gomez said he welcomes imposing stricter regulations to draw people away from hate speech.
	I'm sorry.
	Is there a definition?
	I should have looked this up.
	We do have a woman affected by hate speech.
	I have a clip.
	Apparently, Glitch Girl.
	Oh, God.
	I clipped this and threw it out.
	I kept it.
	Is this the one that was the interview with her?
	Yes, of course.
	Yeah, Glitch Girl was interviewed on ABC, and she decided that she was being bullied.
	Now, the real story here is not the...
	This is the woman's face.
	It's kind of a cute Columbia.
	I think she's Colombian.
	And by the way, you're not saying it properly.
	She is the face who was on the healthcare.gov website.
	Right, the first face.
	And she's being interviewed, and she has the exact same hairdo and earrings and makeup, everything exactly the same, so you can identify her as...
	Glitch girl.
	As Glitch girl.
	And apparently some people had, you know, made, you know, fun of her and they bullied her and she bitches about being bullied because they, you know, moved her eyes closer together.
	I love those Photoshop jobs.
	Those were hilarious.
	And so she felt really put upon us because she had to come out and do this interview.
	Now, the real interesting factoid in this interview to me is none of this.
	I don't care.
	I think it's interesting that they brought her to tears.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Which we had with this Philippine guy, too.
	But bringing people to tears is what the networks like to do.
	Yeah, some ratings.
	But what I think, there's a little tidbit in here.
	I want to see if you catch it.
	Because this, to me, was the number one thing in this clip.
	Other side of the Obamacare rollout, and the woman who became the face of the website fiasco plastered on the homepage of healthcare.gov.
	The source of anger for so many.
	And ABC's Amy Robach spoke to her in an ABC News exclusive.
	Great to see you, Amy.
	Thank you so much.
	Good morning, Robin.
	And her picture may be gone now from the website, but the woman who actually has a name, Adriana, says she is not completely over the sting of what she calls bullying.
	It's the face that launched a frenzied hunt.
	That smiling lady!
	Have you seen the mystery girl?
	As frustrations with the glitch-plagued Obamacare website mounted, people turned their attention to the mystery woman on the homepage.
	And until now, her identity remained a secret.
	Why do you want to speak out now?
	Because, I mean, I deserve a chance to tell people who I am and just let everybody else say whatever they want.
	I wanted her to say, because I'm looking for a bit part.
	I'd like a movie role or something.
	Come on.
	You know, she could have said stuff like that and they cut it out.
	Oh, true.
	So who is the woman who was in the face of the Obamacare website?
	I'm a mother and I'm a wife and I'm not a professional model.
	Adriana, who asked that we not use her last name, is from Colombia and not a U.S. citizen, though she is eligible to apply for health care under her permanent residence.
	That was it.
	It was a commercial.
	Elise, that was my takeaway.
	Wrong?
	Well, that's not what I got out of it.
	Okay, let me continue then.
	I'm sorry.
	...status.
	And while she says the picture was supposed to be a typical stock photo, she says she never anticipated it would quickly become a laughing stock.
	We signed the release that said it was possibly going to be used for material for promoting the health care, which is they know that it was going to have a negative impact.
	You've been dubbed Glitch Girl, the most despised face on the planet.
	Did you ever anticipate this type of publicity, scrutiny?
	No.
	Adding insult to injury, Adriana says she wasn't paid for the photo.
	Have you ever experienced anything like this before in your life?
	Well, this is actually a reason why I wanted to be here.
	Because as a kid, I never went through that.
	But now I am.
	It's some sort of bullying.
	There it is!
	It is bullying.
	Money shot!
	But at the same time...
	You know, I thought...
	I had to do this.
	What did you hear?
	Okay.
	They spent $100 million plus on maybe $600 million on this website.
	She doesn't get a nickel?
	They don't even give her a modeling fee?
	What kind of greedy bastards are running this country?
	Ron Bloom.
	That's funny.
	Yeah, I didn't look at it that way.
	That's the way I looked at it.
	That's funny.
	But you're right.
	I think there was a commercial aspect to it.
	Don't forget, if you're an illegal, you can...
	I guess she has a work permit.
	Here it is.
	Get in on this.
	We've got to get our numbers up.
	I looked this up for us.
	Hate speech is, outside the law, communication that vilifies a person or a group based on discrimination against that person or group.
	In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture, or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group.
	The law may identify a protected individual or a protected group by certain characteristics.
	In some countries, a victim of hate speech may seek redress under civil law, criminal law, or both.
	Oh, this is important.
	A website that uses hate speech is called a hate site.
	Ooh!
	Most of these sites contain internet forums and newsletters that emphasize a particular viewpoint.
	I don't want to say too much, but turn that mic up there.
	Mr. D.C. Borat.
	Put the door on your dial.
	Now!
	Critics have argued the term hate speech is a contemporary example of newspeak used to silence critics of social policies that have been poorly implemented in a rush to appear politically correct.
	Well, yes.
	I'm going to the Netherlands.
	We're leaving tomorrow for a week.
	Let me see what the law is.
	The Dutch penal code prohibits both insulting a group and inciting hatred, discrimination, or violence.
	Wow.
	Here it is.
	He who publicly, orally, in writing, or graphically, intentionally expresses himself insultingly regarding a group of people because of their race, their religion, or their life philosophy, their heterosexual or homosexual-oriented...
	I got a clip that makes fun of this.
	I'm going to be...
	Right after you're done with this definition, we're going to go to a hate speech clip.
	Okay, let me finish up the definition.
	Their heterosexual or homosexual orientation or their physical, physiological, or mental disability shall be punished by imprisonment of no more than a year or a monetary penalty of the third category, whatever that means.
	So I can't say, hey, cripple...
	I always say that.
	You don't say that.
	Yes, all the time.
	The cripples like it.
	They do.
	The way I say it, because I... This is...
	I've always done this.
	You just bring out the obvious and then you make it no big deal.
	This is what I learned growing up in Amsterdam.
	This is the crazy thing.
	You say, hey, cripple, how you doing?
	And then, oh, okay.
	How you feeling?
	Well, except for the cancer that's killing me, I feel pretty good.
	Oh, okay.
	Then we can move on and not have this cloud hanging over us.
	At least that's my experience.
	But I guess I can now be arrested and thrown in jail for a year.
	Yes, a year.
	And by the way, I don't think they're going to give you a line so we can do the show while you're in the slammer.
	Are you kidding me?
	In Holland, in the slammer, you get internet.
	Do you get high speed?
	Yeah, you get broadband.
	Absolutely.
	Well, can you have your microphone and rig?
	Yeah, I can have the ultimate podcast device all set up.
	No problem.
	Fine.
	Just go for it.
	I'm not worried about the...
	It's the monetary penalty I'm worried about.
	That's the part I don't have.
	Also, you wouldn't be able to get clips as easy, I don't think.
	So now let's play the clip.
	Okay, now this is a hate speech clip by this definition.
	This is the hate speech clip I have.
	This is a clip on kale, and obviously it's hate speech by definition because it mocks.
	Kale and this book that just came out.
	It's mocking a book.
	Now, this is Craig Ferguson, a late night guy.
	And I had to clip this.
	I usually don't clip these guys, but I clipped this one because I had to look this book up myself.
	But he, I think, summarizes my feelings.
	But this is pure hate speech.
	I was just waiting for the show to start, you know, getting myself ready for some quality entertainment.
	And I saw the book that Geoff was reading.
	What was it?
	Fifty Shades of Kale.
	This is a real book.
	I didn't know you were reading this.
	It's a book that I'm apparently plugging right about now, but it's a book which...
	I was just reading the little thing.
	You know the thing on the inside?
	Kind of like the tweet or something?
	The little blurb for the book, it says, indulge, savour, satisfy.
	Now remember, we're talking about kale here, right?
	It says, nothing is sexier than a sharp mind atop a lean, healthy body.
	Well, that's true.
	Yeah, that's me.
	Okay.
	Few foods are able to deliver this promise like kale.
	Yeah.
	She is the ideal plant in many ways.
	Now, first of all, I reject the notion that a plant has a gender.
	Yeah, that's very sexist.
	She, kale, is the ideal plant in many ways.
	Beautiful, versatile, nourishing, and downright delicious.
	I'm like, am I eating something else when I eat kale?
	Because these people have turned kale into something interesting and tasty.
	I reject it, frankly.
	I think it's hokum.
	We've had two dinners.
	Since our last show.
	And in both...
	Mickey's getting pissed at me now.
	Because in both cases, I'm like, oh, I shall order the kale.
	When the server is asking me what I'd like.
	Because I'm convinced it tastes like crap no matter who makes it.
	This is hate speech!
	I'm hating the kale.
	And in both cases so far, total crap.
	It just sucks.
	I'm reading from the book now, the inside thing that he was referring to.
	Yeah.
	The little...
	You have the book.
	Oh, you have the book.
	Wow.
	I don't have the book.
	I have the Amazon look inside the book.
	Cliff Notes.
	Cliff Notes.
	In Fifty Shades of Kale, discover 50 enticing...
	It's 50...
	That's the best thing I could do.
	I, by the way, we're putting a book together for the No Agenda show called The Kale Recipe Book.
	We're going to have some name for it.
	I won't be...
	That's a working title.
	I want people to submit kale...
	Why don't we just say...
	I've only gotten six.
	Crap.
	Yeah, thanks everybody.
	It's going to be a real thin book.
	So we have, and it's her, it's always the kale is referred to as a woman.
	Interesting.
	Kale cheddar omelet.
	Get your hands a little dirty with afternoon quickies.
	Get it?
	Like zucchini and kale bites.
	Turn up the heat with chipotle flank steak with lime, black beans, and kale.
	Oh, man.
	Or spicy mussels with kale.
	And surrender your most forbidden cravings with chocolate chip kale cookies.
	I mean, okay, so this to me is hate speech, what we're doing, is attacking this vegetable.
	But I did some research on kale, and it turns out that there's a Kale Institute type of operation running out of England with public relations support that has triggered this national movement to eating kale.
	And if you ever look at it, I think it's because they're trying to grow it as a cash crop that people actually buy and want instead of chard or spinach, which are more problematic.
	And you can actually do a lot of hydroponics with the spinach, and most of it's not even grown in the dirt anymore.
	And so kale is a crop that's resistant to bugs, and even the insects won't eat it.
	And they're trying to promote this kale.
	The insects are like, hey, what is that?
	Get it.
	That's crap.
	So this kale, this horrible kale, which everyone defends, especially the vegetarians that have been sold a bill of goods, are all over it.
	But again, we're soliciting recipes.
	I believe it's possible to make kale taste good under some circumstance.
	My basic theory now is you have to parboil it for about 10 minutes, and then you have to fry it with a lot of garlic and oil until it softens up, and then you have to...
	Put it in a food processor and puree it with something else.
	Yeah, like chocolate chip cookies or something.
	Speaking of crops, John, my favorite report came out once again.
	And you know, I always look forward to reading the report from the UNODC. We've been tracking the UNODC reports for months, since the show began, I think.
	UNODC, of course, is the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime.
	And good news!
	Opium crops in Afghanistan, all-time high!
	This is so funny, because in this report...
	I read this, too.
	This is hilarious.
	So I actually have the report, as I always do.
	I've highlighted some bits for you.
	It's in the show notes, 565.nashownotes.com.
	Let me read just a few choice bits, starting at the preface.
	Opium poppy cultivation in Afghanistan reached a sobering record high in 2013.
	And we're not even done with 2013.
	I like the use of the word sobering.
	According to the 2013 Afghanistan Opium Survey, which, by the way, John, you and I should be on the board of that, cultivation amounted to some 209,000 hectares.
	How many acres is that?
	I'll do the calculation while you read.
	What was the number again?
	209,000 hectares.
	Okay.
	Outstripping the earlier record in 2007 of 193,000 hectares and representing a 36% increase over 2012.
	Okay.
	This is really...
	In fact, let's...
	516,450 acres.
	Yes!
	Partay!
	Moreover, two provinces that had previously been declared poppy-free, Faryab and Balkh, in northern Afghanistan, lost this status.
	But that's okay, because you know what they gained!
	Ready to fire!
	I'll set!
	Get you up, you kids!
	All in all, opium production in 2013 went up to some 5,500 tons, a 49% increase over 2012!
	Yes!
	Very, very good.
	As we approach 2014 and the withdrawal of international forces from the country...
	Afghanistan, working with its many friends and allies in a spirit of shared responsibility, must make some very serious choices about the future it desires and act accordingly.
	Reining in the illicit economy, criminality and corruption is essential.
	So I went through this whole report for you.
	For you people listening.
	And a couple of the fact sheet here about the survey, just a couple, some other numbers besides the acreage.
	The current GDP, in 2012, the GDP of Afghanistan was 18.95 billion.
	Thanks to the increase in the poppy trade, that is now 21.04 billion.
	So this is good news.
	Total farm gate value of opium production in 2012 was $0.7 billion.
	We are now at $0.95 billion.
	An increase of 4% of the entire GDP. So the gross income from opium per hectare...
	So what was that number again you had, John?
	You had the...
	516,450 acres.
	Time...
	Okay, but we had to do the hectare.
	So it was...
	209,000.
	209,000.
	Hold on a second.
	Let me get the calculator.
	20912,000.
	Ah, crap!
	Can't even do that.
	209123 times the value of each hectare per year is $4,500.
	That is a whopping, let me count the zeros, one, two, three, one, two, nine, that's a trillion dollars.
	That's 940 million dollars.
	Billion.
	A billion dollars, I'm sorry, a billion dollars.
	That's just the raw stuff.
	That's just growing it.
	What's interesting about this report is nowhere, nowhere do they explain how it gets transported.
	Isn't that interesting?
	But the BBC... But the BBC... That seems to be, like, overlooked.
	How many...
	So, five and a half thousand tons.
	You got five...
	Just mysterious...
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I don't know how that works.
	So, there's a map here, which is really cool.
	So, you got ten...
	You got lots of stuff to move.
	You got to move it.
	So, they show the cultivation.
	They have maps in this.
	And you've got to look at it.
	It's hilarious.
	So, they have Hauman province, Kandahar province, Uruzgan province, where the bases are.
	You've heard these names in the news.
	Dutch people.
	Uruzgan.
	That's where the entire Dutch military are.
	Probably...
	Happy.
	Kandahar Province.
	You've heard these names.
	And this is where the largest increases have taken place.
	It's on the map.
	Right where the bases are.
	Because we are protecting them.
	And the BBC have this...
	So the BBC has this report.
	And here's their video report...
	Here's what they lead us to believe about this 209,000 hectares of 5,500 tons of poppy.
	As Afghanistan records its largest opium harvest, these graves tell a story as to just what the effect of that is on the people of this country.
	This is Ghulam Nabi, his friend Abdul Karim, who were hanged in Iran for trying to cross the border, smuggling sacks of opium.
	Five and a half thousand tons, apparently!
	The reward, had they got to the other side, would have been as little as a hundred dollars.
	That's about 70 pounds.
	The penalty for them and other men, whose bodies ended up in this graveyard, was death.
	They came from the village down the hill, which, because of this rather curious trade that many of the men in the village had become involved in...
	Curious trade?
	You mean this financial bonanza for everyone involved?
	It's known locally as Widow's Village.
	It's changed its name.
	That's the profound effect on families in this part of Afghanistan of this difficult and grim trade.
	This is one of the world's most unstable frontiers between Afghanistan and Iran.
	Over here behind the wire you can see Afghans who are coming home having been working in Iran or perhaps they've been to see relatives.
	There are still many Afghan refugees over there.
	But you can see that the Iranian frontier is just about 50 yards, 50 meters behind me over there.
	President Karzai's picture on this side of the border and beyond that, the two ayatollahs mark the place where Iran begins.
	So now they show a whole bunch of trucks and like, well, maybe it's in those trucks.
	Now, on this side is what the world is really concerned about.
	These are hundreds of trucks that pass through this frontier every day, most of them empty, coming from Afghanistan, going out into Iran.
	And the local customs police, border policeman here, told me that he believes about ten of those trucks might have contraband drugs on them, might be loaded with opium or heroin, hidden in a compartment on the truck.
	Yes, five and a half thousand tons of secret compartments.
	Bull crap!
	There's a couple of things that are obvious in that story.
	One is, for one thing, it's a story.
	There's two guys, there's freelancers, obviously, who poached a couple of bags of the stuff.
	Trying to get across the border.
	Interns, not even freelancers.
	Interns stole some bags.
	Yeah, they took a couple bags across the border on their own as if they're, you know, trying to get a few extra bucks because they're underpaid and they're not French enough to protest this.
	So they made a big story out of that.
	Now, the fact that this story exists because this is a small border incident.
	In Iran someplace that we shouldn't even know about unless it's sending a message.
	So the only reason this was covered as a news story was to try to get it out and far enough out there so these Afghanis that work in these opium places don't try to pull this crap.
	Yeah.
	No, no, no.
	You're working for us.
	We're paying you.
	Yeah, don't be stealing the sacks.
	Don't be trying to do that because you'll wind up here in the grave.
	You'll be coming from that widow town.
	Just load it onto the C-47 as we told you to.
	And again, please take note that we no longer in American news during the longest war in our history have arrivals on television or any pictures whatsoever.
	Of flag-draped coffins.
	And please see the movie American Gangster to understand what might possibly be going on with these planes that come back.
	Right, and American Gangster, a fascinating film, is based on a real guy who's still alive and still tells this story.
	It's dramatized, yes, but it's the way it worked, which was using coffins of...
	To put, store drugs and ship them all over the place.
	And I'm not blaming the military.
	I'm planting it squarely on the CIA. That is what they do.
	That's how they can maintain this budget of having every third person in the country working for them.
	And that's how the banks maintain their stature.
	This is a basic no agenda thesis.
	All right.
	Now, of course, we have the other drug trade, which is, I think, sometimes funnier, more interesting, and certainly wildly profitable, and, oh yes, legal, got a huge boost as we had a report come out, and the minute I saw the headline, I knew I had to follow up.
	Doctors say 33 million Americans should be taking statin drugs.
	Well, the minute I hear the magic number...
	Then you know that something's up.
	And one of our producers, fantastic, he was freaking out.
	He said, oh my God, because of no agenda, I knew exactly what was going on.
	He collected for us, not one, not two, but three reports, all chopped down here into 30-second size bites, of the great new report about Lipitor.
	And I wonder what it could mean.
	Let's go to CBS News.
	Segment one.
	Doctors used to rely on a specific cholesterol level to determine which patients needed the drugs known as statins.
	Now, new guidelines from the American Heart Association and the American College of Cardiology are recommending statins for four high-risk groups.
	The groups include patients with cardiovascular disease, those with a bad cholesterol of 190 or higher, patients between 40 and 75 with type 2 diabetes, and patients between 40 and 75 with a 10 year elevated risk of cardiovascular disease.
	We're trying to take the people who benefit most and give them the therapies to start with that benefit most.
	I love it!
	Yes!
	I am between 40 and 120 years old, and I have at least 10 years of some kind of pre-cancerous, pre-heart things level zero.
	Yeah, you do.
	You better start taking this stuff now.
	Let's go to CBS follow-up report, too.
	To measure that risk, the panel created a calculator that considers factors other than just cholesterol.
	A calculator.
	John, get out your calculator.
	Let's see if you need a statin.
	I obviously do.
	I'm in all those categories.
	Including ethnicity.
	Oh, ethnicity.
	We don't have enough black people on this drug.
	You need some black and brown people.
	Come on, that's a huge market.
	I can't believe we're not selling to these people.
	For example...
	A 50-year-old white male with treated high blood pressure, total cholesterol of 220, and good cholesterol of 45 has a 10-year risk of cardiovascular disease of 5%.
	Statin treatment may not be warranted, but for a man who is African-American, a group known to be at higher risk, the exact same numbers give a risk of almost 9%, a level that meets the panel's criteria for treatment.
	Now, what kind of racist crap is this?
	That was so racist and hate speech.
	How do you get to say a group that is known for higher risk?
	Why?
	Because they're black?
	Is this something that I miss out on some great scientific discovery?
	Well, let's ask Sanjay Gupta over at CNN. What this basically means now is that if you go to your doctor and you meet one of these four criteria, heart disease, diabetes, a cholesterol over 190, or a heart risk greater than 7.5%, you're probably going to be prescribed a statin drug.
	And if you look at the projections, they say about 35, 36 million people are taking the drugs now.
	It could literally double.
	It could go to 70 to 76 million people within the next few years.
	But they're not sure.
	Did you hear that, John?
	It's a bonanza!
	It can double, double, double!
	Yes!
	Yes!
	Yes?
	So they, you know, it's generic now, Lipitor.
	There is a generic.
	These statins are all generic.
	Yes.
	But the drug companies have bought the generic companies that make the generics and so they keep the prices the same.
	It's like a buck a pill or two bucks or something.
	It's really expensive.
	Pfizer has Lipitor and Merck has the Zolocor.
	I think Zolocor is...
	The generic version of it.
	And these are six, seven billion dollar a year drugs.
	And so they came out.
	So these are all commercials.
	And we were waiting for this to happen.
	We were like, you know, because pharma, you know, they need to advertise.
	And these are advertisements to get you to scare you because, oh, you're black.
	You should go and get your statins.
	Yeah, obviously the blacks have not been buying into this, so they have to be scared better.
	And it's a commercial, and I'm disgusted by it.
	And you should be, not you, but people listening should just be so disgusted by it.
	Oh, write down this, John.
	Katya and Nadia.
	What about Tara and Robin?
	Well, no, the Katya and Nadia are Sir Gene's dancers.
	Katya and Nadia.
	Katya and Nadia.
	Well, who's Taryn and Robin?
	No, that's for our other producer.
	That's for...
	So we got Katya and Nadia, Tara, Robin, Destiny, and Hillary.
	I guess.
	Anyway, so that is how the mainstream...
	I'm putting a couple of them in the champagne room.
	No sex in the champagne room.
	This is how mainstream media does it.
	And I'm glad that we have our producers out there catching it and saying, oh wow, this is unbelievable.
	It's a bonanza.
	You can wait for all the commercials to roll out.
	And the media buy will be done based upon who did a good job on the rollout.
	I think CBS did well.
	They had two segments.
	And of course, Sanjay Gupta, he did a whole produce number.
	Did you hear the music?
	He was in green screen and everything going on.
	So very, very impressed with the big pharma advertising in conjunction with their trade groups.
	Okay.
	Shall we go into our big commercial?
	I'm writing on the script.
	Show myself food by donating to no agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on no agenda.
	In the morning.
	It'll be the first time in weeks that we do it on time, so we might as well roll it out.
	Oh yeah, that's a good thought.
	We do have a few people to thank.
	Starting with Yakov Kravitz in Parts Unknown, 169-69.
	And then he came in again, but this time he's in Princeton Junction, New Jersey.
	Really?
	169-69.
	I'm not sure what the deal is.
	I think he came up with a second donation for his wife to wish her a happy birthday.
	We're going to have to move him up to executive producer.
	With doubles?
	Yeah, I agree.
	I agree.
	So we'll just do that afterwards, but he does have a note.
	In the morning, John and Adam's donation, Sundays, November 17th, I'd like to wish my wife, Anna, happy birthday this November 16th, and give her some 6969 karma.
	Um, okay.
	So how do I do that?
	You give them, just throw some 6969, I don't know, we have 6969 karma.
	Oh.
	No, we don't really.
	Well, here comes the karma.
	She'll know what to do with it, apparently.
	You've got karma.
	I guess so.
	I don't think she'll have any trouble figuring it out.
	And it does involve Yakov.
	Yes, it does.
	Sean Connolly in Naperville, Illinois, all the way from Chicago via Arkansas.
	What's Hillary on the 1111 call-out?
	So she's on the list.
	I'm going to do a one call-out for all the girls.
	Okay.
	At least I'm going to try.
	All right.
	Now that there's 20 of them.
	Yeah, well, this is a popular segment.
	Sir Lauren Osterman from Innsbruck, Austria.
	Please mention me as Sir Lauren Osterman from Innsbruck, okay?
	Hi, Nancy and Frank.
	Awesome work lately.
	I really enjoyed the last few episodes.
	If possible, I'd like to get some NA Healthcare karma.
	I've been experiencing a feeling of suffocation, yet no physiological reasons could be found.
	Okay.
	We'll hit you with the karma in a bit.
	First, we've got to get through the make it rain.
	Dwayne Mallinson, the Duke of Mystery in Tigard, Oregon.
	111-11.
	And he's got Marissa.
	As in Meyer.
	He says, let's make it rain for and bring Marissa as in Meyer to the stage.
	Also, as Duke of Mystery, I hereby reserve 33andMe for future use in your genetic data spoofing activities.
	Very good.
	33andMe.com.
	I guess he got that.
	It is parked as a forward to no agenda show.com.
	That's great.
	And waiting for your courage.
	33andMe.com.
	Great one.
	That's a good website.
	We should have thought of that.
	Okay, then we have Ray Metz Aquarium Services in San Diego, California.
	Also 1-11-11, Making It Rain on 11-12-13, Give It Up for Destiny.
	And Eric Blazinski from West Hartford, Connecticut with 1-11-11.
	Here's the money from the interview I did, plus another 11-11 to Make It Rain.
	Maybe I can get...
	A little girl yay.
	I'll give you the little girl yay.
	You did not give us a name for your Make It Rain segment, but John, you tell me when you're ready, and I will roll it all out.
	Okay, I've got to get close to the mic so I can over-modulate.
	You have to over-modulate, and I'm going to put a little echo on it.
	So you tell me when you're ready, and then we'll kick it off.
	You ready?
	Okay, hit it.
	All right, please welcome to the stage Tara.
	This bombshells a former ballerina and tight end playing for the Seattle Mists in the Lingerie Football League, looking to score with anyone who can make a pass.
	Tara on stage two.
	And stage three, bring out Robin.
	Robin and Destiny.
	Ladies and gentlemen, come on up next.
	Put your heads together and give it a go.
	I'm welcome to Robin and Destiny.
	They like to trampoline, blow glass, skydive, and play the skin flute.
	Give it up for Robin and Destiny.
	Katie and Nadia to the champagne room.
	Melissa to the floor for private dances.
	The skin flute?
	Did I say that?
	You weren't over-modulating as much as I would have liked you to.
	But otherwise, good kickoff of the segment.
	Okay, I'll work on it.
	Yeah, good work.
	Good work.
	Get some all mentioned.
	They got all mentioned, I think.
	Yeah, I think you got them all in there.
	Well, let me hit somebody.
	Anyway, okay.
	That's our 111.11.
	Whoever came up with this, let's go on with their thank yous.
	Daniel Howe is of Portland, Maine.
	$100.
	East Coast Crackpot.
	Sir Gear, $100 from Oslo, Norway.
	Andrew Lemes...
	I always get this wrong.
	Andrew Lemesani.
	Lemesani.
	Lemesani.
	Hey, Lemesani.
	8910 Colorado Springs.
	Barron Robert Goschko in Sherwood Park, Alberta.
	77, 77, Sack of Sevens, Lucky Sevens.
	Lucky Sevens.
	Jaris Corporation, Lucky Sevens from Arlington, Virginia.
	Matthew Mungin in Hampshire, Maryland, Lucky Sevens.
	David Overbeck, 7773 from Brookfield, Wisconsin.
	He had a note that I wanted to read.
	I want to drop this mod of 7773 as a double reverse PR mention for the 7th Guest 3 Kickstarter.
	The Seventh Guest was the killer app for the CD-ROM, and now they've got the original actor who played Stauff and the original music to make a third installment in the series.
	I used this as an opportunity to hit the backers of The Seventh Guest 3 in the mouth for the No Agenda show.
	Now I'd like to ask if any of your listeners were fans of the game to check out the Kickstarter for The Seventh Guest 3.
	And David is, of course, a knight and also executive producer of the No Agenda Stream.
	He goes way back, Sir David Overbeck.
	Thank you, Sir Overbeck.
	And...
	Sixty-nine!
	Sixty-nine, dudes!
	We only have two of these folks.
	Ignacio Perez in Madrid.
	Ignacio Garcia.
	Actually, this is our boy.
	That's our boy.
	He did send us a note recently trying to bring us up to speed.
	He's an architect, and he has to leave Spain to get work.
	Where's he going?
	I don't know.
	Wow.
	Italy?
	I think he should go to South America.
	He has his birthday tomorrow, so we're going to put him on the list.
	Josh Morris in Kearney, Missouri.
	69-69, and that closes the segment.
	69-69, dudes!
	$64.13 from Craig Damlo in Everett, Washington.
	And then finally, $50 donations from Brandon Savoy, parts unknown.
	Mike Westerfield, parts unknown.
	Matt Seaver, Knoxville, Tennessee.
	Charles Evans in Lake Zurich, Illinois.
	And finally, Sokovy Alexander, or Alexander Sokovy, as the case may be, in Moscow, Russia.
	Moscow, yeah.
	Those are our folks that helped us on show 565.
	That's right.
	Thank you all so much.
	I'm very happy with today's turnout.
	Remember, we do this twice a week.
	You sent a newsletter.
	You were supposed to give us the Economic Hitman thing in the newsletter.
	Yeah, I was editing it and editing it, and then time was going by, and I said, I better ship this newsletter, so I'm going to put it on the Sunday newsletter, so if anyone doesn't get the newsletter, you should subscribe today.
	Okay.
	I was going to call you out as an Indian giver, but I'll hold back.
	I'm not from India, for starters.
	I do have an Indian story, though.
	Now, hold on a second.
	We have a lot of stuff to do.
	So, let me...
	So...
	I said it, I said it, I said it.
	Hey, by the way, let's stop now.
	Stop.
	We've got to thank this guy from Cigar Journal.
	Yes.
	Every show for the last year.
	We're like, hey, we forgot to thank the cigar guy.
	Colin Gamley, who is the editor of Cigar Journal, which is a really good magazine...
	Sent us a selection of what are, I guess, semi-famous or famous cigars that are now on the market.
	And with this cool little thing inside, which was a little pad of some sort of...
	Yeah, the mini humidor thing, yeah.
	Yeah, it's like an automatic...
	So you can use anything, and you throw this little bag in there, it's like an automatic humidor.
	I've got to tell you a funny story about this.
	Do you remember when I had ordered from the Silk Road?
	Before it went down?
	Yeah.
	Did they have Cubanos on there?
	No, but I was expecting my order to come, and I had no idea how it arrives, and it says, well, we'll send it to you stealth, whatever that meant.
	And so...
	This package shows up with cigars in it.
	I'm like, wow, this is a great way to ship the drugs.
	And I swear to God, it took me half an hour of going like, well, where's the drugs?
	To figure out that it was just cigars.
	I thought it was like, wow, this is a really...
	Of course, the dogs will never sniff it like that.
	Yeah.
	But it was actually just the cigars.
	And his name is Ganley.
	I think I may have said Ganley.
	Yeah.
	But anyway, I want to thank you.
	It's highly appreciated, man.
	That is funny, though.
	I can just imagine what you're expecting, because that would be as stealth as it gets.
	You would be tempted to tear into one of the cigars.
	I'm snapping them open, like, where is it?
	It's got to be in here.
	Not in this one.
	No, actually, I smoked a couple of those cigars.
	I think one with Sir Gene and one with Mike.
	Mike here, producer Mike and Jane.
	The ones we smoke, but I don't smoke anymore.
	We had a whiskey, and then you have a smoke.
	It's nice, of course.
	It's a whole ritual.
	And they're good-tasting cigars, but it's been a while since I've been smoking.
	Yeah, Napoleon Cognac goes well with the goods.
	To fullrock.org slash NA Donate enough to be a knight someday Alright, Yaakov Kravitz congratulates his wife Anna celebrating on the 16th.
	That'll be on Saturday.
	Dame Joni, Joan daughter Freya, congratulates her husband Alex who celebrates today.
	And bad mom Joan.
	Happy belated birthday to her son Sir Max who celebrated last Thursday.
	I'm sure he'll forgive you.
	Eventually.
	Then we have Ignacio Garcia Perez celebrating on Friday.
	That'll be tomorrow.
	Happy birthday.
	And Luke Rayner turns 31 on Friday as well.
	Happy birthday from all your pals here at The Best Podcast in the Universe.
	And then we have a knighthood, which is a long time coming.
	I'm surprised.
	We probably should have knighted this guy a long time ago, considering how much he's helped out the show.
	But now he has alerted us to his monetary contribution, so you can grab the long blade, John.
	This is a long time coming for Werner here, so...
	Werner flips a step forward, sir.
	We are very proud to welcome you to the round table where we have all of our knights and dames and we gladly pronounce you, Sir Werner, the Wi-Fi Knights.
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	And go to noagendernation.com slash rings.
	Get your rings.
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	Your well-deserved ring.
	And thank you again for supporting our program.
	Although we never win the award, we are.
	Best podcast in the universe.
	I don't understand why they...
	We have the categories, we're in People's Choice and News.
	You can't have a popularity contest.
	You can in the People's Choice Awards, of course.
	That's what it's for.
	Everyone votes and you get the award.
	That's kind of what the Golden Globes, I believe, are that way.
	But if you're going to do the other ones, they have to be judged by somebody who's a judge.
	Your peers.
	Yeah.
	Well, no.
	The whole thing is a popularity contest.
	Yeah, but you have all of them as a popularity contest.
	It's ludicrous.
	Because the guy with the best bot wins.
	Come on, it's been going on for six years now.
	Now all of a sudden you're questioning how they put it together.
	You're not paying attention because I've been questioning this all along.
	Oh, I'm not paying attention.
	But whoever has the best bot wins.
	So it should be just an award for the best bot.
	Okay.
	I'm not going to argue.
	So I'm looking at MSN.com, which still exists, actually.
	It shows up once in a while.
	I helped launch that.
	Yeah, well, thanks for nothing.
	So all it is, is this is the way the mainstream media is headed this way.
	It's like, let me just read.
	You want to click on this stuff.
	Like, let me just give you some...
	Here's the editor's picks.
	I'm just going to read you the little headline.
	Man guilty in $100 million vets fraud.
	Ooh, click.
	No.
	Depression speeds aging, question mark?
	Click.
	Death row organ donors fears.
	Yeah, click.
	The scrunchie makes a return.
	Ooh.
	Brother, Andy Kaufman's alive.
	Ha ha.
	Sinkhole swallows backyard.
	Oh, man.
	Okay, this is news.
	Yeah, this is news.
	And as you go down to the photo news, you got...
	Actu wants to expand racial profiling lawsuit.
	Shields to join Fox show.
	Is Kris Jenner ready to date?
	Have you seen the...
	Did you get the memo that Kris Jenner...
	I mean, that Bruce Jenner wants to transgender?
	Yeah.
	No.
	That's...
	He kind of has a womanish look.
	I know, but that...
	I think that look, by the way, stems from...
	I'm absolutely sure he had a vasectomy because there's a certain look.
	I'm going to explain...
	Wait a minute.
	Wait a minute.
	You're going to tell me the guys who have a vasectomy get a certain look?
	Yes, they do.
	And let me...
	I'm going to give you the premise for this thing.
	Okay.
	I had a book in my collection, and it was printed around 1927 to 1929, that era.
	And the name of the book was Look Young Forever.
	And it was a promotional book, typical weird shit that was going on in the 20s.
	This was the eugenics era.
	Uh-huh.
	A promotional book for getting vasectomies as a youth, as a way to make men look younger when they're old.
	Uh-huh.
	And they shed the before and after pictures of all these men who had vasectomies, which was I guess a new procedure back in the 20s.
	Or whenever it came about is when this book came out.
	And I think the original purpose of the vasectomy was for this purpose, was for like a facelift.
	And every look of these guys always had this kind of plumper, smoother, definitely smoother kind of womanly face, kind of like a female face.
	And I started noticing people who actually had vasectomies, with rare exceptions.
	Once in a while there's a guy that's an exception to the rule.
	But most of them always have this kind of certain pasty, kind of doughy face look that is...
	That's totally Jenner, yeah.
	That is a vasectomy look.
	And Jenner is one of these guys that has that look, although his look is really...
	But I know guys who have had vasectomies and they don't have that look at all.
	You have not thought about it much.
	And some guys say they have had a vasectomy for some reason or other.
	No, I know the guys on the, there's like a morning show here, and I went on that morning show.
	Yeah.
	And one of their sponsors is a doctor, and I guess, you know, this is what you have to do in morning radio.
	Ho, ho, ho!
	This is really good!
	Hey!
	Hey!
	Good morning to you!
	I'll have a vasectomy!
	And then, of course, he had to do it.
	Oh, God.
	Yeah.
	And he said it sucked for a couple days, but...
	I don't know.
	It wasn't sucked anymore.
	Yes.
	Let's move along, please.
	Okay.
	Anyway, so I'm just saying this is the kind of news that's out there.
	But no, I don't know anything about Bruce Jenner wanting to have a...
	Of course, after being on that show for a while, I can understand it.
	So looking at...
	So, I said so.
	Looking at the exchanges, and I need to bring this up because people need to understand what's going on.
	There's a lot of Bitcoin news.
	Bitcoin now well into the 400s.
	We need a jingle for the Bitcoin report.
	We do.
	And I'd like to explain to people how this works.
	And I'm kind of flabbergasted, John, that no one really sees the scam for what it is.
	When you run the exchange, you determine the price.
	This is not NASDAQ. This is not regulated by the SEC. In fact, there's so many exchanges now, and this is where the money is.
	If you look at the bid and the ask, if you want to sell your Bitcoins, you can get about $390 for them.
	If you want to buy them, well, now you're at $440.
	That's called the spread, and that's outrageous.
	That's outrageous, of course.
	It's outrageous.
	And everyone's getting in on it now.
	In fact, Circle Internet Financial just got a pretty heavy hitter.
	They brought him onto the board of directors, Raj Dat, I think his name is.
	They're going to start an exchange.
	You've got iBit.
	Everyone's launching an exchange because that's where the money is.
	And you get to set the price and you get to rip everybody off.
	It's like, this is such a beautiful...
	It truly is so well thought out that I'm now thinking that the Bitcoin is actually, you know, there's not going to be any scam with the Bitcoin itself, because that's solid, I guess.
	The cryptography and how it's done is solid, but these exchanges, this thing's going to go to a thousand.
	It'll be a thousand before the end of the year.
	And it'll go beyond that.
	There's no downside.
	And if you're trading on the exchange, there's always a delay, or like, oh, sorry, the system's down.
	Yeah, and the system comes back up, and the price difference is $20.
	Guess who makes the money?
	I'm just astounded that people don't see what's going on here.
	Well, the whole thing is a scam.
	Right, but it's so well done.
	It's a psychological operation.
	What I like about it, what I really enjoy the most, is how all the techies are all in.
	Well, this is kind of where I wanted to take it, because...
	Someone found out, and I think Bitcoin is probably the best example of it, but the nuclear guys also know how to play the alternative media and the libertarians and the geeky people, like us, which we are, to some degree, and we touch all of those areas, and are taking advantage of us in really almost a disgusting way, because the hardcore...
	Remember the hate we got about Bitcoin in the beginning when we were laughing about it?
	You know, it's like, you can't run a store with the prices changing every 10 minutes, varying $10 or $20.
	You can't do that.
	You can't be competitive.
	You can't be changing your prices all the time.
	This is crazy.
	This is not a monetary unit.
	It is a great scam, and I pretty much suspect Max Keiser of being behind.
	You know, he sold his Hollywood exchange.
	He's built exchanges.
	He must be behind one of them.
	Yeah, no, he has to be.
	And so it's the exact same meaning.
	Same software.
	I bet you if you can get to that code, you could find some similarities.
	A forensic code tracker could probably figure out who wrote the thing.
	Now, something else happened yesterday, which I think is also a psychological operation which hits exactly the same people and is actually very, very smartly done.
	So what happened is yesterday, WikiLeaks leaked.
	And if you download the document, it even says, Secret TPP Treaty!
	Okay, so now you know that I... We've talked about the TPP before.
	Well, not that we've talked about the TTIP. No, no, we've talked about the TPP. And we have talked about the TPP. I've talked about it because I talked about when Putin was having a meeting with these guys and all the rest of it.
	We have discussed this operation.
	We didn't have the details, though.
	Right.
	Well, we've had a draft version, but here's what's interesting.
	We don't get the entire TPP. We get one chapter.
	And we get the intellectual property, quote-unquote, Internet freedoms...
	And copyright chapter, which is the only thing people on the internet who are activists care about.
	And so this thing comes out, and of course you know me, I'm like, oh great, I'm going to read this.
	And I'm going through it, I'm like, holy crap, this is completely unusable.
	Every single line, every single proposal has 5 to 15 oppositions, counter-proposals by each country.
	It's an ongoing conversation, is what this is.
	And it's like, here's the conversation.
	Well, America has copyright at 70 years after death, and Mexico wants it to be 100, but Venezuela or some other country wants it to be 95.
	It's like, who gives a crap?
	But on cue, on cue, everybody has their analysis ready.
	So here is...
	Electronic Frontier Foundation.
	And I read this document.
	Really.
	So here's how they...
	So they took one day to read it, which is what it took me.
	TPP leak confirms the worst!
	U.S. negotiators still trying to trade away internet freedoms!
	All right.
	WikiLeaks is compromised and EFF is compromised and they're all working together and the only thing I can find is this is a red herring So everybody's focused on the wrong thing.
	Do you think that copyright and internet freedoms is important?
	You're going to be running around like SOPA, changing your icon.
	What's happening is it's the gas, you idiots.
	It's all about the gas to Japan and to Asia.
	And what they don't want you to do is see that the real negotiation, the 20 other chapters that WikiLeaks couldn't get their hands on...
	That's where you're going to wind up with 50% of U.S. gas production, which will frack you, which will make your faucet burn, which will give you earthquakes, from your super leftist, obat, green president.
	That's the part that's being covered up.
	You're focused in the wrong area.
	Of course it's a New World Order document, but this is just to distract you and keep you busy and make you change your avatar.
	This is not what is really important.
	And this document, please, trade away internet freedoms.
	Even the EFF couldn't point to much in the document.
	They have all this here.
	The leaked chapter features proposals for sitting a new floor for copyright duration, ranging from the already problematic U.S. term of life of the author plus 70 years to an incredible life of the author plus 100 years proposed by Mexico!
	This is what you're worried about, by the way?
	What's wrong with that?
	You have no copyrights?
	I don't mind holding on to my copyrights a little bit longer.
	Oh, no evil Disney.
	We won't get to use the mouse.
	Why is that important?
	John, am I missing something here?
	That's not such a big deal.
	Please give me both sides.
	I have various feelings about this myself.
	First of all, the idea that copyrights were limited to 26 years from the date of creation, not the day you died.
	So if you wrote something when you were in your 20s, And you live to be 100.
	This thing would be in copyright forever, virtually.
	The idea is that it was 26 years and then you could maybe renew it.
	That was actually given.
	It was in the Constitution, essentially.
	You can renew it for another 26 years if you felt the need to.
	Most people did not feel the need to.
	So the idea was that at 26 years, art...
	This applies to more than just writing.
	Art...
	Cartoons would be included in that.
	Phonograms, as it's constantly referred to in the document.
	records, in other words, music, and also writing would be pushed into the public domain so it could be enjoyed by everybody while it was still alive, and it would influence the culture in a positive direction.
	And so you want your copyrights to expire at the time.
	If you can't make your money in 26 to 52 years renewing, if you can't make your money, your personal money for your creation in that period of time, well then you're a loser.
	Maybe your song just sucked.
	They figure, well, what can we do to milk this?
	So the Disney guys are behind most of this.
	They changed the law so they could keep their mouse and protect their...
	which they could do anyway with a trademark.
	So it's not even that important.
	But whatever the case was, they didn't want people redistributing Sleeping Beauty on TV. Stop, stop, stop.
	Okay.
	Now, wait, wait.
	Now, on the other hand, as a...
	Copyright, someone who produces content, I think it's kind of cool.
	I own this forever, and my kids can benefit from it 100 years after I'm dead.
	That's a greedy perspective.
	But it's not good for the society.
	The idea was that it's good for the society to incorporate public domain things into the structure of the future.
	Let's move beyond this.
	But what I object to is, first of all, reporting like it's set in stone, which is not.
	We're talking about things that have been hashed out for years, 70 years, 95 years.
	But it's not like this is a new debate.
	But the way this is being presented is the New World Order is taking away our internet.
	And if you read the documents, it's kind of similar to what we have already.
	There's lots of fair use.
	There's talk about ISPs being...
	You can have the DCMA. So if you're just a vessel, you know, a carrier, then you're not responsible for what's on there.
	I mean, it's all kind of the same stuff.
	But this is being presented as, you know, this is what it's all about.
	And I'm seeing people literally posting links.
	This is worth a read because we're being screwed!
	No, you're not.
	And that was my link.
	First of all, you haven't read it.
	Because you want to slice your wrists halfway through.
	It's so boring.
	And it's so repetitive.
	And yeah, you know, sure there's some stuff in there about patents on drugs.
	But it's not like it's anything new.
	The real deal here is...
	It's so much bigger and it's going to wreck our earth.
	And that's what makes me laugh is that people don't understand that they're being tricked.
	This is not a leak.
	This is a purpose release.
	This is like, oh, I'm sorry.
	Lady Gaga's album got leaked two days before it was supposed to come out.
	This is a PR move.
	Yeah, no, I'm not going to argue with it, because where's the rest of the document?
	What, are they somehow glommed on to one thing?
	And the EFF is out the same day with this whole...
	And really, they talk about all these things that are wrong with the patent system and copyright, but they can't point to it in the document because it's really not there.
	That's what I'm...
	And then there's this...
	The agreement claims not to confine copyright limitations and exceptions further than earlier deals such as Bern Convention, but early analysis from groups like Knowledge Ecology International.
	Now, Knowledge Ecology International.
	Who are these guys?
	They're funded by Rockefeller, MacArthur Foundation.
	The EFF is pointing to these guys?
	Seriously?
	MacArthur Grant.
	And they also really can only...
	Attending and mending the knowledge ecosystem.
	Knowledge Ecology International has obtained from WikiLeaks a complete copy of the consolidated negotiating text for the IP chapter of the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
	Copy here on the WikiLeaks site.
	The leaked text was distributed among the chief negotiators.
	And then, you know, there's all kinds of background, but then really it doesn't get into anything in the document itself.
	This is what I'm so interested in.
	Because the document is meh.
	I read it.
	John, you know I read this.
	You know I hate the New World Order.
	You love reading this stuff.
	Yeah, I hate these guys.
	I hate everything they stand for.
	But when I read this, I'm like, how can you even make a report about this?
	It's a negotiation.
	And everyone has a little thing in there.
	Venezuela wants...
	You know, wants it this way, and Mexico wants it that way, and then we have, you know...
	It's just crazy.
	It's not...
	You're being fooled.
	Please go ahead and read it.
	Read it, then go and find all the things that these great analysis point to.
	Again, the KEI guys.
	70 plus...
	70 years for natural persons, and then, oh, it's like, Mexico wants life plus 100 years...
	Ooh, that's just crazy talk.
	Really?
	This is what you're so upset about?
	So, I think it's a red herring, and I think it's been set up by WikiLeaks.
	Yeah, I think you made your point on the red herring part.
	Now, I'm stuck on this Knowledge Ecology International site, and I see what they're pointing to.
	They're pointing to the KEI analysis of WikiLeaks of TPPIPR text.
	From August 30th, 2013.
	So this has been...
	The date is sketchy.
	Are you looking at the right thing?
	You're not looking...
	Oh, yeah, that is what the...
	Yes.
	The text is from August 30th, but they wrote this.
	This has only just been leaked, so this is why...
	Yeah, no, it's just been leaked.
	It was leaked on the 13th of November, and it's submitted.
	And the guy who wrote the analysis that they're all pointing to is this guy.
	I'm going to look him up now.
	See if you can find anything about him.
	James Love...
	Really.
	James Love, NGO director.
	James Packard Love is the director of Knowledge Ecology International.
	Wait a minute, this is good.
	These guys are the New World Order.
	Formerly known as the Consumer Project on Technology.
	Oh, there you go.
	An NGO with offices in Washington, D.C. and Geneva.
	I'm telling you, these guys are the New World Order and they're tricking you.
	Let's look at their wiki, at their Wikipedia entry.
	Here.
	We are supported by grants from the Ford Foundation, the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, the Open Society Institute, the Rockefeller Foundation.
	Please!
	Don't you see what's going on!
	Don't take your analysis from these guys.
	Yeah, talk about New World Order.
	Yeah.
	Soros.
	It's like the laundry list.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, so before you go yelling and screaming about something, have a read.
	We have a link in the show notes of the document.
	Not just that, but several of the analysis.
	So EFF, Dan Gilmore.
	Dan Gilmore.
	This was in The Guardian.
	I could do better than this.
	Dan Gilmore writes his whole thing, and he says, well, I mean, here, the more you know about the odious Trans-Pacific Partnership, the less you'll like it.
	It's made for corporate intellectual property and profits!
	And then he has a picture of a woman with a SOPA sticker over her mouth.
	And then, among the many betrayals of the Obama administration, is its overall treatment of what many people refer to as intellectual property.
	And then again, he just really doesn't have anything new.
	No specifics.
	No specifics, nothing new, and goes back to, you know, basically is saying, this is SOPA 2 or 3 or 9 or whatever.
	It's not.
	It's just not.
	It's a dumb document that has been dangled out there to get everyone all worked up.
	Well, it seems to have worked.
	I'm worked up about it.
	Yeah, you're more worked up than anyone.
	We'll follow this.
	I think you're dead on on this one.
	It looks like a PR. Everything's a PR stunt.
	Bloomberg, I have a link to this Bloomberg article, which is from earlier this year.
	Getting Japan to guzzle American gas.
	And that's really, and it says, why so?
	Because Japan's non-tariff barrier is protecting major sectors of the economy.
	The TPP aims to reduce all these barriers, preferably to zero.
	Japan's inclusion in the trade pact will boost American exports, create American jobs, and make both economies more efficient now and well into the future.
	And this is, and I had this conversation with Miss Mickey this morning.
	And this is the part that is weird coming out of my mouth.
	But we really need this.
	I mean, I don't want to live in a dead society.
	America is not a country.
	America is a business.
	Let's get that straight.
	That's why our president is called the chief executive.
	And we have the resource extraction unit, which is the Pentagon, and we have all these different...
	We're a business.
	Get over yourself, we're a business.
	And if you don't want to live in a dead, broken, bankrupt business, then you want this thing to go through, and you want us to essentially beat Russia at their own game.
	You want it to happen.
	We can start building from there.
	We really can, but I have to say we have to start, we have to get this.
	Well, here's what I see.
	First of all, all these people complaining and tweeting and moaning and groaning accomplishes nothing.
	They have no influence whatsoever.
	It's very rare that anything is ever accomplished.
	I mean, the SOPA thing keeps coming back in one form or another.
	If this isn't it, it'll be something else, and who cares?
	The point is that there is a lack of ability.
	We're not the French.
	The French, when they see some sort of thing that they don't personally like They do a little research on it.
	They don't just jump the gun and just go crazy.
	But then they do something.
	They burn trucks.
	They turn stuff over.
	They take action.
	We don't take any action whatsoever.
	Change our Twitter icon.
	You change your Twitter icon to green or purple or whatever it is.
	Or black is my favorite one.
	What's the point?
	Along with this comes an email that I received after our previous show.
	Adam's gonna read his email on the No Agenda show.
	And this is from, I think, Bridget.
	Hi, Adam.
	Whilst I love your show, I was shocked to hear that you are annoyed by homeless people holding up signs in the street.
	Now, I would like to revisit and say that I said I was annoyed by people holding up signs on the access roads to the highway that usually say, I'm not going to lie, I need a beer.
	This is a matter very close to my heart, and if you took the time to talk to one of these poor buggers, you would find they did not choose to stand there.
	They all have a very sad story to tell, and in the state they are in now, filthy and depressed, there is no way they can get a job unless someone helps them, gives them a chance, respects them.
	Not everyone is a talented musician worthy of your money.
	I do runs where I distribute food to homeless people and also stop and chat with them for ten minutes or so when I have the time.
	It is much appreciated and makes me feel good too.
	You should try it!
	Now...
	I need this Birgit.
	You think that was the voice that she had?
	This woman, right?
	Yeah, she came back because I said, you should listen again.
	This is my reply.
	You should listen again.
	What is on the sign?
	Was it just the street or the entrance to the highway?
	Do I never give money or do I just not give it under certain circumstances?
	And I give $5 standard to any musician.
	Above all this, you are telling me you can't even spare $5 for the No Agenda show?
	Look who's talking!
	But she said she couldn't donate.
	And then she comes back very defensive.
	I suppose my point was that even if someone asks for beer money, I will give it to them.
	Imagine living in the street.
	I listen again, I will not backtrack.
	You only give money to people with a talent and are annoyed by everything else.
	You said verbatim, everybody's working, everyone's trying to do something.
	They're not crippled.
	There are people in this world with either no talent, a low IQ, or people who are extremely bad luck.
	Okay, so let me just say something.
	Everybody, and this is so hypocrite, everybody makes choices in their life.
	You cannot tell me that you stop for every person who asks you money.
	Everyone makes a decision.
	I am just not a hypocrite.
	I give my decision up front.
	And I help people who I want to and can help.
	We're in a big play here.
	This is kind of like everybody does have to play their role.
	And everybody has your link in the chain.
	Our link, what we do actually, what John and I do, has been under attack for decades.
	Just to give you open and honest analysis and to help people understand what's going on.
	And that's what I decide to do on a daily basis.
	And if I decide only to give musicians, then I hope someone else picks up the slack somewhere else.
	But to come out and say that I'm mean or horrible for not giving money to everybody, screw you!
	Everybody makes decisions.
	You just make it on the spur of the moment, and you're embarrassed to say it.
	Well, she got an artist.
	Yeah.
	And then to think that she doesn't even donate to our show ever is just galls me.
	That is annoying.
	That galls me.
	you Yeah, well, she's not really on board.
	She's just looking for stuff to bitch about.
	She's probably a miserable person.
	Well, if not, then I hope she is now.
	Hey, did you know...
	No, you will know this.
	I was...
	Let me see.
	Did I find this in a...
	It must have been an article.
	I'm going to read you the opening quote here from this article.
	It was pretty good.
	Let me just...
	Hold on.
	Let me tell you where the article's from first.
	It's the original NSA whistleblower.
	And this is so typical of...
	Actually, it was in Gawker.
	Very surprising.
	This is written by Adrian Chen.
	Title of the article, After 30 Years of Silence, the Original NSA Whistleblower Looks Black.
	This is a guy named Perry Felwalk.
	Have you ever heard of this guy?
	No, I knew all the whistleblowers, but I guess not.
	Check this out.
	And this actually goes back to Bobby Inman, which is kind of funny.
	And there in 1972 was a rogue analyst, some kid in his 20s, describing the NSA's business down to the colors of the badges worn at its headquarters.
	Winslow Peck, which was his code name, claimed that the NSA had broken all of the Soviets' codes, that the government's official account of the Vietnam War was a lie, and that the agency was guilty of salacious corruption.
	Quite a few people in the NSA are into illegal activities of one kind or another.
	It's taken to be one of the fringe benefits of the job, you know, enhancing your pocketbooks, smuggling.
	People inside the NSA were even involved with the slave trade.
	Well, but the real moneymaker is inside information.
	Of course.
	If I get to listen to all the phone calls I want to between some hotshot, let's say Carl Icahn or someone else, and I get a heads up on something he's going to do the next day, hey, I'm making money.
	There was more money made on 9-11.
	Oh, yeah.
	No one's ever uncovered how all these guys all of a sudden shorted all the airline stocks.
	Conveniently, all that information went down in Building 7.
	Well, yeah.
	This also goes into the Welch assassination.
	Is any of this coming back?
	72 is way too early for me, but you were also a young man and probably doing other things at the time.
	Right.
	It's led to believe that these other things were going to be beneficial.
	But this led into the church committee.
	Oh, right.
	The Church Committee, which created the Congressional Oversight Committee, which have sold out the American public.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	And it's really...
	And I think Church was killed.
	It's a Welch assassination.
	I'm not familiar with this.
	The Welch assassination...
	I wrote some quotes here.
	Evidence of manipulation of the American press for the purpose of influencing events in the United States.
	CIA successfully exploited the murder of one of its station chiefs to set back efforts to bring the CIA under constitutional control.
	This was the outing of CIA operatives.
	This actually led to the law that you couldn't do that.
	And he published this Perry...
	I'm sorry, what's his name?
	Perry...
	Crazy name.
	Fellwalk.
	He published his account in Rampart Magazine.
	Does this mean anything to you?
	Yeah, Rampart was the big...
	The big kind of, what you'd call, it was a radical, progressive, it was kind of the revolutionary, popular revolutionary magazine of its era.
	It did a lot of investigative stuff.
	It's kind of like devolved into what Mother Jones has become.
	Right.
	In fact, I think part of it did become Mother Jones, actually.
	That could be.
	Whatever the case is, it's not the same as it was.
	It was pretty entertaining reading, let me tell you.
	So in...
	71, 72, Felwok blew the whistle on Echelon.
	That's what he uncovered.
	The NSA at the time was a little-known organization, and amongst the most secretive of the U.S. intelligence agencies, Felwok revealed that it had significantly larger budget than the CIA, and he was in turn motivated by Ellsberg's release of the Pentagon Papers.
	And so back in the day, no one had ever heard of SIGINT, Signals Intelligence, and this goes back to the Five Eyes.
	So what's interesting is that none of this is really new.
	In fact, it's almost like the same script is being played out.
	Maybe just with a different production team and maybe different financial backers.
	Well, it seems like the same antagonists, the CIA not getting as much money as they want, although they probably, if you incorporate the drug money, which we assume they use, they probably have a huge budget, but it's just still hurtful, it seems, that the NSA, a bunch of guys sitting at desks, poking, typing in stuff, should be getting so much more money than the agents that are supposedly running everything.
	Well, the only thing I can say, you know, is that, my God, I can't believe I didn't know this.
	And I got a whole ton of links in the show notes about Perry Fellwalk, the Rampart article, which was titled U.S. Electronic Espionage and Memoir.
	And it's interesting because, you know, he didn't go to jail.
	He's still around.
	You know, there was no, like, come home and face the music.
	In fact, that's probably the one thing that...
	Edward Snowden, well, he didn't do it wrong.
	I think he got jacked by Greenwald and buddies.
	He got screwed.
	That's why he's Well, I think the laws were different then, too.
	They have been tightening and tightening.
	These Senate and House committees have been passing all this legislation on the side to tighten down.
	There's been a lot of whistleblowers.
	There's that guy, then there's the guys that are more recent, especially the one guy who got screwed by the FBI and they tried to throw him in jail forever.
	And every time a new guy comes along, they tighten and tighten.
	So if you say anything, that's why we have every other document now done by government.
	It needs security clearance to read it when it's just a list of birthdays.
	I mean, the whole thing has been screwed up.
	So I think back in the day, you could probably do more stuff.
	Now you can't do anything.
	But it's really interesting, and I think it's almost required reading for anyone today, just to understand where all of this comes from.
	He ran the NSA. Yeah, and gee, it seems to me that there's a guy living right down the street from him that could go knock on his door and have a nice little conversation.
	And I'm going to do that because I'm going to call Uncle Don, who has mentioned that Inman is a very good friend of his.
	And so here's what happened.
	So Inman, I think he left the NSA in a huff.
	He was pissed off because the Israelis bombed or...
	They blew up the ship that had NSA on it.
	What ship was that?
	It was...
	Liberty.
	Liberty, yes.
	And he got really pissed off and he left.
	Now, what's funny is that here in Austin, I've mentioned Bobby Inman to several people, and what always comes back is, oh yes, all the boys know Bobby.
	And that's funny because...
	If you read Perry Philwalk's article, at the time when the NSA was recruiting people, and they were recruiting just smart kids, the only thing they were worried about was homosexuality.
	The agency seemed to be really hung up on that for some reason.
	So I don't know if that was in direct relation to Inman running it then or whatever it was, but there's some crazy crap going on in all of these divisions.
	And if you have kids...
	Let me tell you.
	You have to teach your kids how to run their own stuff.
	You've got to let them understand how an operating system works.
	Let them mess around with Linux.
	Let them understand how the internet works.
	Please educate them that it's not all these centralized services like Facebook and Twitter.
	You've got to arm your children.
	With some real knowledge of how stuff works, because they won't survive if they just continue on this trip that we're placing everybody on.
	So you have to change your timeline.
	I'm just looking some stuff up while you're yakking.
	And let's face it, that's all I'm doing.
	You're yakking.
	I'm yakking.
	No, you're revealing information, but he was the director of the National Security Agency from 77 to 81.
	The USS Liberty thing was in 67.
	Oh, that can't be that.
	And then after he quit the NSA, he went to the CIA as a deputy director.
	He left there, and I remember he was angry.
	This is what Don told me.
	He said he was angry, and he left because he thought something was bullcrap.
	It's not in his wiki page, of course.
	No.
	I gotta meet with this guy.
	It would have taken place in 82.
	And so I don't know what happened in 82.
	Maybe it was during the Reagan administration.
	That's how old he is.
	He's 82 now, speaking of 82.
	I gotta get to him quick.
	Yeah.
	Jeez.
	Man, I'm...
	But he was also on...
	Wait a minute.
	He might be a great guy to have a beer with.
	Oh, I'll bet he is.
	It's just I gotta find the right reason for the introduction.
	You wanna talk to him?
	Yeah.
	It's true.
	Just say you've always been a big fan.
	Don't say that.
	People don't need to see fans.
	We're not going to say that.
	That's not a good idea.
	Hey, I've got a good Rick Perry rumor for you.
	Here in Texas, everyone wants to know, because he's not going to run for governor.
	You know, he wears a dress.
	He is a cross-dresser.
	That is pretty much confirmed.
	So everyone wants to know, now that he's not going to run for governor again, of course, will he run for president?
	And I heard that he has been offered the chairmanship of the NRA. The National Rifle Association?
	That's a good gig.
	Could be interesting, right?
	Yeah.
	From our Clooney files, I've promised you more art is coming.
	More art will be discovered until the release of the movie.
	In fact, I can reveal to you that between 60 and 80 art pieces will be returned to their rightful owners at the premiere in Los Angeles and Berlin.
	Yeah!
	These guys are so smart.
	This is such a great setup.
	And...
	I might get invited to the premiere.
	How are you going to get invited to the premiere?
	What do you mean?
	Yeah.
	What do I mean?
	Because I keep promoting the movie.
	What are you talking about?
	Hello?
	Who's going to invite you to the premiere?
	The people who are helping Clooney find all the art.
	Art insiders.
	How else do I know this stuff?
	Hmm.
	Maybe have a little chat with George while you're there.
	Well, I'm not going to go if I can't have a chat with George.
	That's the whole point.
	There's a pretty good interview with him in, I think it's Esquire, maybe?
	Or Vanity Fair?
	And it's funny because he comes across as a really nice gay guy.
	I mean, it's just the thing that is not mentioned in there.
	No, he seems like a nice enough guy.
	Yeah, he's totally nice.
	But, you know, global warming stooge.
	Oh, wow.
	He's just...
	That's just what he does.
	So I got...
	Okay.
	So I got a Five Eyes program clip.
	The only people talking about Five Eyes, besides you a minute ago, you might want to explain what that is, since we haven't really discussed it at all on the show.
	Or we can play this clip from Russia Today, which obviously is a prejudice about the whole thing, but it's kind of interesting.
	Okay.
	According to the Snowden Leagues, UK intelligence was able to monitor up to 600 million communications every day.
	And they weren't the only ones who had access to them.
	850,000 NSA employees and private US contractors could also dig into UK databases.
	Now, as Ghanachichi Khan explains, Britain wasn't alone either in helping Washington to keep an eye on the world.
	Intelligence services of five English-speaking countries have joined resources to spy on the whole world.
	The U.S. is the most resourceful.
	Its closest ties are with Britain's GCHQ. But Canada, Australia and New Zealand are also contributing.
	Australia backs up Washington by keeping tabs on Asian countries.
	From the documents leaked by Edward Snowden, we learned that Australian embassies across Asia-Pacific host this highly sensitive intelligence collection program as part of the Five Eyes network.
	It's not just terrorists that the Five Eyes are looking for.
	A former Australian intelligence officer privy to the program said the main focus is political, diplomatic and economic intelligence.
	Oh yeah.
	Thank you very much.
	The main focus.
	The main focus.
	So there's no terrorism angle to this.
	No.
	So we're not keeping America safe.
	No.
	It's about economic, political...
	Well, hold on.
	Hold on.
	That's all a matter of opinion.
	I interpret that as keeping America safe by stealing other countries' money.
	Well, we do that well.
	Yeah.
	Or sucker them into deals that we, you know, renege on.
	We have a lot of tricks.
	When you hear about this stuff...
	Ask the American Indians what they think of our deals.
	Oh, well, yeah.
	No.
	We gave them casinos eventually, so they shouldn't be complaining anymore.
	So when I hear, when you hear congressmen and women talking about, you know, the Chinese spying and, you know, it's true.
	For them, it's really important.
	They're not spying on, you know, on you or I, or, oh, shut up, don't laugh, we're going to steal our agenda, sure, we make that just like them.
	No.
	What they are stealing is...
	What was that?
	Irohito from the 40s?
	Not one of my best.
	What they are stealing is technology, like the rockets that they're now selling to Turkey.
	That is essentially our stuff.
	We are in the other camp.
	All the politicians, all the big captains of industry, it's all about them and their stuff.
	No one cares about us.
	Did you see that now Turkey, this is funny, has asked NATO to extend the Patriot deployment near the Syrian border.
	I'd be like, hey Turkey, bitch, go get your Chinese stuff.
	Put that to protect you.
	Yeah, Turkey needs to be called out on that, you're right.
	And I figured out the Jimmy Kimmel thing.
	Why he was apologizing.
	First we thought it was for promotion.
	He was apologizing about the kids' table kill everyone in China joke.
	Yeah.
	I finally figured it out.
	I didn't know he had anything to figure out here.
	I stumbled upon it.
	He's had to apologize.
	The network has apologized.
	I see apologies everywhere.
	Why?
	Well, what network is Jimmy Kimmel on?
	He's on ABC. Which is what conglomerate?
	Disney.
	And what are we building in Shanghai?
	Oh, Disneyland.
	Shanghai Disney World, yep.
	I actually have an article.
	Oh, let's make them kowtow to us.
	Yeah, because we don't want to mess that up.
	We don't want to mess it up.
	No, this is the despicable thing about the media nowadays is that there's all these little – you can't do a joke or you do – and somebody says, oh, you know, we're going to – let's see if we can get a better deal out of Disney by making a fuss over this Jimmy Kimmel kids' table.
	And now they can be all acting a huff because I'll tell you, there was a – the Chinese – They had people holding up signs with ABC logos on it.
	The Chinese people in China are thick-skinned.
	They have a superiority complex.
	They're very hard to insult, to be honest about it.
	If you go over there, you can try.
	And I remember one time I wrote a column for PC Magazine where I took the Who's on First gag from Abbott and Costello and did a thing of...
	Because I just had returned from Taiwan.
	So I did a thing on Xi's on first, which is Stan Xi, the head of Acer, and Hu, H-O, is on second.
	And this kind of thing.
	The same joke with the Chinese names.
	Right.
	And it was actually quite well constructed.
	It was very funny.
	Yeah.
	One of the editors said, I'm going to run this, but you're going to get in trouble.
	There are going to be nothing but complaints about this because it's like racist or whatever they said.
	Not one single person said anything.
	We're going to go see Uncle Don and Aunt Meg.
	We have to do a trip to New York and it's time.
	These people are in their 80s.
	And I don't know, he's written his book, but I think he's having trouble getting it published, so I'm going to have to work on him because I want to publish it.
	God, do I want to publish that book.
	But I'm going to record him doing one of his Asian accents.
	Oh, God.
	He was ambassador to Korea, and he does this thing about shit to Bajo, which I can't do, but I'm going to record the shit to Bajo story.
	He has so many of them.
	And he doesn't care?
	No, well, a lot of people don't care.
	I personally find it very offensive.
	Yeah.
	I fell across something, and I looked it up to figure out what was going on.
	This was a State Department briefing.
	You know how I love to watch them.
	Jen Psaki is back.
	Yay!
	Yay!
	Let's see if I can crank this up loud enough so you can get the question.
	Clearly an anti-Hillary move.
	Device.
	ProPublica has a story saying that it has asked the State Department to release the names of the so-called special government employees at the State Department.
	These are people of State Department jobs, but can also receive income from Outside sources.
	Are you hearing this, what this is about?
	Yeah, I hear it very well, as a matter of fact.
	He's asking the question about double dipping.
	Yes, the special government employees.
	And as it turns out, the State Department has 100 special government employees.
	They can be on the government dole, and they can also be on some corporate dole.
	Yes.
	Well, in fact, if you look up the definition, some ethics provisions that allow to executive branch employees apply differently to any employee who qualifies as a SGE, Special Government Employee.
	This category was created in 1962.
	And as defined, SGE is an officer or employee who was retained, designated, appointed, or employed to perform temporary duties, with or without compensation, for not more than 130 days during any period of 365 consecutive days.
	The SGE category should be distinguished from other categories of individuals who serve executive branch agencies.
	So this is basically saying that, you know, someone may have a great job somewhere, but we really need them in government.
	They're really special.
	Really, really special.
	So we can bring them in for no more than 130 days on a temporary basis.
	This question, by the way, is about one special government employee in particular.
	Uma Abedin.
	Ah, good, because my next clip will be right in the same league.
	Perfect.
	So Uma Abedin was working for the huge consultancy that Bill Clinton was a part of.
	At the same time, she was the body man for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
	I doubt she was only on the road 130 days of any 365.
	Not if she was with Hillary, that's bull crap.
	Exactly.
	And I have a feeling that this is part of the getting ready to do anything to stop Hillary Clinton vibe, whoever is behind it.
	But that's why this, of course, is cropping up.
	And you can look out for it now.
	But we'll also find out there were at least 100 other special government employees.
	And astounding that these waivers are made in government.
	That people can play both sides and essentially enrich themselves or their industries and their businesses with inside information.
	It should be stopped.
	So that's it?
	That was the clip?
	There's more to it.
	Okay, well let me play a couple clips I got here.
	One of the experts and consultants that was on, this was on VanCat, French TV. And this is just some interesting discussions about what went wrong in the Middle East.
	And it starts with this one clip of how the USA sides with the Muslim Brotherhood.
	And the reason it's interesting to me is because Uma Abedin, who was a consultant to Hillary during this era where all the Arab Spring took place, has clear ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.
	And she is connected to the Muslim Brotherhood.
	So let's just play a couple of these clips.
	This, by the way, is part of...
	And that instead decided to support the Islamic fundamentalists or groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood.
	It's really quite difficult to understand why Washington and the European capitals would do something like that.
	That's an absolutely amazing question.
	We are still trying to answer it, not just one book.
	I hope there will be other authors who will go and investigate the inside of the governments, both in France and in the United States and elsewhere.
	In my view, the West in general made three mistakes.
	Number one, we did not understand that civil society was ready for an uprising in the Middle East.
	We completely relied either on the regimes, Mubarak on the one hand or Assad on the other hand, and we did not partner except with the Islamists.
	So when...
	The first cycle came in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, and a little bit of Syria.
	It was truly young people, women, minorities.
	We saw them on TV. But immediately after that, the Islamists, well organized, very sophisticated, took over.
	The massive mistake we made was we concentrated everything on those Islamists.
	Our advisors, both in Washington and in Brussels, told us the Islamists are the agent of reform and of revolution.
	But it took Washington a long time before they decided to push Mubarak out, for example.
	That time, precisely, and I mention in my book, as long as these were not the Islamists leading the movement and the Brotherhood were on the side, if you remember, then the advisors in the White House and other places said, let's wait and see.
	When the Brotherhood moved in, became in the center of Tahrir Square, then Mr.
	Mubarak was called to leave.
	Which means, to me, that the partnership between the Brotherhood and the advisors of the administration is a long one.
	It's not just an ad hoc one.
	Oh yeah, it's been going on for decades.
	Yeah, we're right in bed with the guys we're supposedly protecting ourselves from.
	And let's go to part two.
	What's the name of this guy's book?
	It's called Arab Spring Islamist Winter.
	Catchy title.
	Yeah, I thought so too.
	All right.
	Does Part 2 need set up?
	No, it's just a little more logic here.
	But it seems difficult to believe that, as I say, the United States would have such a policy.
	What interest is it for the United States and Western Europe to have Islamist fundamentalists in power in the Middle East?
	Well, actually, today's opposition in the Arab world are counter-arguing, so it's not even the experts.
	The seculars in Egypt, the seculars in Tunisia, if we hear what they're saying, they will tell you, we have not been received even before the Arab Spring.
	I mean, how many delegations were received in Washington?
	The State Department, National Security Council, and the White House.
	I'm not speaking about the Congress.
	The Congress did try to receive.
	They will tell you it's uniquely Muslim Brotherhood.
	Within NGOs, within other NGOs, the real reason is that there was a theory that the Islamists are well organized and that the Islamists would eventually stop the jihadists, meaning work with moderates.
	We have been told that the Islamists are moderates.
	There will be a real wall to stop the jihadists.
	We do not understand that it's one ideology, one with a weapon, and one without.
	So, and I used the word so.
	Yep.
	What he's saying here, and if you remember during this period, it was true.
	They only brought over people, the only people they brought to talk to, to Washington, which all the right-wing talk show guys went ballistic about, but they didn't understand the mechanism, were Muslim Brotherhood guys.
	They never brought anybody else over.
	Nobody was received, as the guy says.
	And now the interesting little, last little tidbit here is the third part of this little talk, where he mentions that It was almost as if pulling out of Iraq when they pulled out was to let the Iranians be able to cross Iraq to go help the Syrians, the Assad regime, or no, I'm sorry, to help the Syrian radicals.
	You'll just play this and you'll see.
	It's just a weird coincidence that all this is just keeping these same problems in play.
	Coincidence?
	I think not!
	Another point in your book, you say that President Obama missed an opportunity to fix the Syrian conflict before withdrawing troops from Iraq.
	In what way could he have fixed that given that it was out of the question then as it is now to send troops to Syria?
	Precisely, we had the troops around.
	We didn't have to send any more troops.
	What I was arguing about is when the Syrian opposition or the Syrian uprising began, it was in March of 2011, and President Obama wanted to withdraw all forces from Iraq by the end of 2011.
	So to the east of Syria, to the east of President Assad's regime, you had coalition forces.
	And by the mere fact that we have separated Syria from Iran, help was not coming to the Assad regime.
	We had our air bases in Iraq.
	We were present in Iraq, Turkey in the north, Jordan in the south, six feet in the Mediterranean.
	The Assad regime itself would have started to make significant concessions because this is geopolitics.
	What does that mean?
	What he's saying is that it's almost as if we – if we would have helped Syria early like with the other operations where we just waited and waited until the Muslim Brotherhood took over, there was really – the opposition at that time was only consisting of true Syrians that were into democracy and they were secularists.
	But to allow the Iranians to meddle and also anyone else who wanted to get in to keep this thing going to the point.
	He's suggesting that our goal is to put radical Islamists into these power spots, not let Assad stay there, not let some normal people take over the place.
	But only Islamists, and so by pulling out of Iraq and letting the people flow from Iran across into Syria to screw things up more so it could devolve into a situation similar to Egypt...
	His basic thesis is that we're behind, I mean, I've always thought it was just to create lots of rubble, but we're apparently, for some reason, behind mostly Muslim Brotherhood types taking over the place, because supposedly we've been convinced that these people are not the same as the other bad Islamists.
	And why do you think that is?
	I just think of Uma Abedin.
	Right.
	I think it's a corruption.
	I don't think that we know what we're doing.
	I think that Uma Abedin, a parcel of the Muslim Brotherhood, which was once a violent organization, these are Islamists just posing as peace lovers.
	But we saw this would happen when this guy got in as the head of Egypt.
	He's immediately started trying to institute Sharia law and change things on the books and cause nothing but trouble, make people wear headscarves and all the rest of it.
	It happened in Tunisia.
	Tunisia's even a better example.
	Well, that's where it kind of started.
	I think here's the sad thing is that it's, of course, it's corruption.
	It's about money.
	It's about whatever.
	But that these people, and I'll say, you know, the Clintons, the Bushes and Obama, they don't understand the history of these cultures, these religions, these regions.
	And I think they just have like, whatever, we'll deal with it when it happens.
	Like we can always bomb them out of existence or whatever.
	I think it's a hubris that they really don't understand what these people are about.
	You're probably right because they're so easily influenced by people with a clue.
	And I would put Uma Abedin into that category.
	She has a clue.
	She's got a lot more.
	But talking about not understanding cultures, I think we should probably listen to this clip, which is the India Justice Minister.
	This story came in from India.
	The country's top law enforcement officer is under fire for saying this during a news conference about legalizing gambling of all topics.
	Central Bureau of Investigation Chief Ranjit Sinha said, and we quote, if you can't prevent rape, you might as well enjoy it.
	He says he was talking about gambling, and his comment was taken out of context.
	The comments caused immediate outrage across India.
	Not too long ago, there were huge protests after the deadly gang rape of a young medical student on a New Delhi bus.
	Ah, yes.
	The Curry Dvorak Consulting Group's Crisis Management Division could be called to task for this one.
	They need to get that guy out of the country.
	What a dick.
	Okay.
	What a dick.
	Clip blitz.
	Here is VJ44, the true president of the United States of America, highest advisor to the president, Valerie Jarrett, as she dances around the healthcare website deadline of the end of November.
	Oh, the countdown clock, yes.
	Of healthcare.gov.
	You have a good memory, unfortunately.
	You have a good memory, unfortunately.
	I can't believe you're asking me that.
	Smart people in positions of power were highly focused on the idea of making sure the website worked.
	And clearly it hasn't worked the way you or many people would hope.
	What can you tell us now that would give us some confidence that...
	The next few weeks will be different from the last few and that you guys have figured out how to fix it.
	It's a fair question.
	I mean, obviously, there's no one more frustrated than the president that the website hasn't lived up to our expectations.
	But he has taken immediate action of bringing in a team to help supplement the team that's there.
	Supplement.
	Jeff Zients, who has a lot of...
	History in the business community, starting up companies, managing, did an excellent job when he worked for the administration as performance officer and two stents as the head of the Office of Budget and Management, is over there now full-time working with a team of innovators to try to correct the problems, and we are seeing progress.
	And it's complicated, it's challenging, but...
	The President has made it very, very clear that we're going to just keep grinding away it until we get it right, and we are looking towards the end of the month to see substantial progress, and Jeff feels comfortable that we are on target for that.
	Screwed!
	Boy, who made her king?
	Hello?
	She's always been king.
	Tell me you're going to get objective reporting from any network when you hear a commercial like this on CBS. This is CBS. Help their loved ones.
	That story is next.
	This portion of the CBS Evening News is sponsored by Walmart, where over 400 people are promoted every day.
	That's the real Walmart.
	Ha!
	Promoted to the death camp?
	Promoted every day.
	And that's the real Walmart.
	Apparently it's just a promotion machine.
	I think we should end it right there, John.
	Okay, we can do that.
	That is, there you go.
	Your mainstream media, just a promotion machine is getting worse by the minute.
	You can only turn to the people that you trust the most.
	Which hopefully is us sometimes.
	Well, we certainly try.
	We really do.
	We read.
	We analyze.
	And we take no money from nobody but use.
	Use guys and gals.
	Thank you so much.
	And we'll do it again on Sunday.
	I do have a couple things I'm working on.
	I got some Euroland stuff.
	Agenda 21.
	Common Core stuff.
	Kind of funny.
	This is what your kids will be dealing with in school.
	Unless we can put a stop to it.
	Oh, and I'll be coming to you from Amsterdam.
	Hey!
	That's right, leaving tomorrow.
	Leaving on a jet plane.
	That's right.
	So, all things willing, everything goes well.
	We should be talking to you from Amsterdam.
	And I think we have a 10-hour difference, because they haven't changed the time zone there for daylight saving time.
	It'll be fun.
	So I'll start at 7 p.m.
	in the morning.
	Coming to you from FEMA Region 6 here in Austin, Texas.
	In the morning, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from Northern Silicon Valley, which is FEMA Region 9?
	Is that what we are?
	I don't know.
	I think so, man.
	It's depressing.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We'll talk to you again on Sunday right here on the best podcast in the universe on No Agenda.
	Adios, mofo.
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