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	Because if you think there's a problem, you cap.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, May 2nd, 2013.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 409.
	This is no agenda.
	Standing at the bottom of the ranking of six here in the Travis Heights hideout where SoCo meets MoFo in Austin, Texas.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley where I'm reading the tweets of Shannon Bream.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's Crackball and Buzzkill.
	In the morning.
	Shannon Bream is who?
	Shannon Bream.
	Well, she just showed up in my feed here.
	She's one of the Fox Girls.
	Oh!
	And you're following her?
	Yep.
	You are so creepy.
	She must be cute if she's one of the Fox Girls.
	She has actually pretty good tweets.
	We're on the verdict watch.
	Is this about the three saps who got picked up in Boston?
	No, she's following some other case.
	Oh, I know.
	It's the Kermit doctor.
	Kermit's a frog.
	That's a pretty weird thing, though.
	I guess that's the abortion doctor who babies would do late-term abortions and he'd kill them if they were still breathing.
	Yeah, beat them to death.
	It's an interesting topic.
	Which, of course, there's no winner or losers in that conversation when you really think about, okay, when is it okay to kill the unborn child?
	Well, it's an interesting conversation.
	It's funny we never talk about this sort of thing on the show here.
	We have better things to do.
	Neither of us have the equipment.
	We're not equipped to talk about giving work.
	We don't have the standing if we're in the court of law.
	We don't have standing to talk about it.
	That's true.
	We have zero standing.
	Let the gals talk about it.
	Hey, right off the bat, John, I would like to wish you, oh my goodness, it's a very busy month.
	Are you ready for it?
	Ready for the rundown?
	Okay.
	I'd like to wish you a very happy National Mental Health Awareness Month.
	Oh, okay.
	Very happy National Foster Care Month.
	Okay.
	A very happy National Physical Fitness and Sports Month.
	Oh, a very happy Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month.
	A very happy Jewish American Heritage Month.
	I mean, why did the Jews have to share with the chinks and the islanders?
	A very happy National Building Safety Month.
	And if that wasn't enough, John, yes, very happy Older Americans Month.
	Oh.
	I mean, it's going to be one non-stop party.
	It sounds like it.
	This Happy Older Americans Month is kind of like celebrating Tuna a la King.
	Not getting that, but okay.
	Well, it's like, you know, you're old and...
	You're old!
	Get out of the way!
	The president says, we're finding new ways to make sure seniors live with dignity as full members of their communities.
	Getting you Medicare and Social Security.
	It's all good stuff.
	It's like when 65, I guess your life is over.
	Isn't that when you're officially a senior, when you're 65?
	It depends.
	It keeps changing.
	They're going to move it to 70.
	Oh, and John, today, happy Bin Laden Disappearance Day.
	It's an anniversary.
	That's right.
	It's not something that was noted in the Congress.
	It was noted in official intelligence briefings.
	I have the briefing here as May 2nd.
	Here it is.
	This is...
	Second anniversary of Osama Bin Laden death.
	Is this the Osama or the Osama?
	This is the Osama.
	Osama, Osama, Sama, Sama.
	Hey, originator, DOD, Army Organizations, USAITA, Al-Araqt, release.
	I'm not familiar with this.
	This is one of these cables.
	Subject, second anniversary of Osama Bin Laden death, 2nd of May, 2013, HQOA, Anti-Terrorism Awareness Advisory.
	Alert!
	Alert!
	So it could be a day of terror, fear.
	Well, that's every day in America.
	Every day in America.
	Every day is a day of fear.
	It's a day of fear.
	So we had our dinner party on Monday night.
	Right.
	We talked a little bit about this on the show.
	We did.
	But not much.
	We talked most of it after the show.
	Well, and this is one of those rare occasions where we actually had an off-topic discussion after the show, which I would say lasted for about 45 minutes.
	Quite a record for us.
	And we had already spoken for over two and a half hours.
	Shower up afterwards.
	And mainly because I was now cooking for a total of six people.
	And these are our friends here in Austin.
	We have Russell, the brain scientist.
	We have his lovely wife, Jennifer, the architect.
	We have Lori, the artist, and her husband, Mark, the rock and roller, who also does investments and accounting.
	And they're all Obama bots.
	Oh, they're total Obama bots.
	Uh-huh.
	And Mickey and I concluded after the evening, which wasn't until past midnight.
	No, it was a good evening.
	No, it was a good evening.
	We concluded that we are probably their wacky friends.
	Oh, it's two?
	Wow.
	You gotta go hang out.
	They're unbelievable.
	What they say is crazy, crazy.
	I gotta tell you.
	So first of all, I had asked you for advice.
	I said, what am I gonna cook?
	Six people.
	I don't think I can do this.
	And you went, you were so lovely.
	You went, this is easy.
	No problem.
	You're doing beef bourguignon.
	I'm like, what?
	And so, first of all, I did not sell this as beef bourguignon.
	I wrote it down.
	I wrote down exactly how you told me to do this, which is quite funny.
	In fact, I will give you just the first few lines.
	And I named it something different, because they said, oh, what are we having for dinner?
	I said, we're having double-dip recession slave stew.
	Yes, you actually got it.
	Which I think is a great name for this dish.
	It is.
	And here's how you said it.
	You get five pounds of meat, chuck steaks, one and a half inch cubes, and this is the cheapest meat you can find.
	I mean, I'm talking cheap, cheap, cheap.
	Then you get your cast iron pot.
	You make this thing hot.
	I mean, fucking hot.
	You're going to put the meat in there, and it's just going to be like, it's just going to be smoking.
	It's outrageous.
	You're going to have to open the doors and the windows.
	This is nuts.
	It's caramelizing.
	Don't touch it.
	That's kind of how you told me to do it.
	Yeah, kind of.
	And so I had to make an investment.
	Makes a lot of smoke.
	The investment was...
	If done right.
	Yeah, oh yeah.
	Well, the investment was getting a Dutch oven, which I didn't have.
	So we went to Bed Bath& Beyond.
	Those are not true Dutch ovens, but go on.
	Go on.
	Well, no, I... When you went to bed, did you buy the one that we saw online?
	You know what?
	There were three different kinds, and the one that we saw online, there was kind of...
	There were two other choices.
	One was the French kind, which is like $300.
	Yeah, they're a little pricey.
	Usually because they're enameled.
	They were all enameled.
	Maybe a different...
	Oh, okay.
	I always go with the...
	The one I use is American cast iron.
	It's the big heavy duty cast iron cast iron that needs to be cured.
	Yeah, so I got the one that Emeril sells.
	Oh, okay.
	I liked it, yeah.
	So it's six quarts.
	That's perfect.
	It's all perfect.
	You can cook a lot of meals in that thing.
	And I'm really going to get into this, because this was a dynamite thing to do.
	I followed your instructions, although I did something really stupid, which I think may have contributed to the success.
	Of the meal?
	Because what you do, the whole secret really is you're throwing in a bottle of wine, and that's really the secret to it.
	Although you have a secret ingredient, which is the cooking sake.
	I thought that's a very cool thing to do after your second hour.
	But I had also asked you what wine I should serve at the meal.
	And you had suggested a Cote d'Iron 2009, but 2010 or 2011 would do.
	And so I had found a Cote d'Iron, and I think it was not cheap.
	It was like $17 or something in 2000.
	It's expensive for a Cote d'Iron, but yeah.
	Well, so the mistake is I wound up pouring that into the stew.
	Ha, ha, ha.
	Technically, beef bourguignon, of course, is a variation on stew.
	The French version is made in Burgundy, and it's technically supposed to be made with a Burgundy wine, and I suggested a Pinot.
	Yeah.
	And you used instead a Syrah, or actually a Grenache, Syrah blend, whatever's in it.
	Nobody knows what's in it.
	You have to coat their own.
	So that would move, it would shift the flavor profile substantially.
	But it worked!
	Well, yeah.
	Actually, any wine will work.
	I've cooked those things up with white wine.
	And what's great about this is the kitchen is clean when everyone shows up.
	It's just clean.
	All the mess is cleared.
	The thing's sitting there.
	It's just bubbling along.
	John, they could not believe.
	They're like, you're full of crap.
	You've cooked before.
	You've done this before.
	I said, no, never.
	First time.
	And I gave you full credit.
	They all know who you are, of course.
	I gave you full credit.
	For coaching you.
	No, I said, no, I said, right down to buying the Dutch oven today.
	So I was honest about it.
	But I didn't say it was beef bourguignon.
	I just said it was double-dip recession slave stew.
	Yeah, that's good.
	I think beef bourguignon is a slave stew, to be honest about it.
	It's just got a fancy name.
	At a certain point, you know, there is a point in the evening where they'll say to me, okay, Adam, so we're here for our reality check.
	They're like, what are you afraid of?
	I say, what am I afraid of?
	Nothing.
	I'm not afraid of a single thing.
	And then, Mickey, bless her heart, He's like, yeah, because we got guns.
	I'm like, oh.
	And the heads whipped like, what do you mean you have a gun?
	He's like, I got a gun in my car.
	And then I said, and I have an AR-15 that's semi-automatic with big, scary, high-capacity magazines.
	It was just, that was the moment.
	That was the turning point.
	They all leave at that point?
	No, no, no.
	They all have nothing to do with people like you.
	No, I think they find it fascinating because I can see they're really...
	In fact, one of the women said...
	Mickey's explaining...
	We've got to tone this down because people in Austin don't get it.
	You're not in Texas.
	Well, of course, people here in Austin enjoy what Austin is, and I believe part of what makes Austin Austin is because of it being in Texas, and there's a lot of things, I think, benefits that come along with that, and one of them is there's relatively low crime, and I believe that is attributable in large part to the fact that everyone's armed.
	Certain types of crime, for sure, are much lower than other populated areas, Because, you know, you don't want to just carjack because someone, you know, like Mickey, could be in the car and shoot you.
	Or you don't want to, like, try and break into someone's house because, you know, you can get shot.
	Now, it still happens, of course, and people are stupid.
	But, you know, the conversation kind of turned to one of the women saying, yeah, you know, the other day I honked at someone in traffic, and I was like, oh, my God, he might shoot me!
	I'm like...
	You know, so people are kind of afraid.
	And it was interesting just to see how...
	Yeah, just to hear the conversation, you know.
	And of course, at some point, someone said, you know, like, oh, like that idiot Sarah Palin.
	You know, I can't stand that, right?
	You know, I just can't.
	I can't take it.
	I'm like, well, did you read her book?
	You mean the one her ghostwriter wrote?
	It's like knee jerks.
	And of course, what I could have said, which I didn't, unlike Obama's speech writers or ghost writers or whatever, but I didn't say that.
	You're a better man.
	Well, but here's what's interesting.
	And I said, you know, because the women were really vocal about this.
	And actually, the professor chimed in saying, well, she's an idiot!
	I'm like, wow, that's empirical evidence right there for you.
	She's an idiot.
	Proof!
	Because she can see Russia from her door.
	But I said, I can't believe the misogyny against Sarah Palin.
	You are women.
	What are you doing?
	And here's the line that got me.
	They felt that there was more hate for Hillary Clinton than Sarah Palin.
	They said that?
	Yeah.
	I'm like, what are you talking about?
	Where's the evidence of that?
	I mean, what are you talking about?
	She's not even running for president.
	She's polling higher than everyone.
	Where's the hate?
	I was just blown away.
	You're sitting here saying she's an idiot.
	You don't know the woman.
	You haven't read her book.
	I know enough.
	It's what the media has told you about her.
	You have no idea.
	She ran a pretty big state.
	And people seem pretty happy with their oil money.
	That she fought for.
	The people got their money.
	Yeah, which is unusual in this country.
	Yeah, not like Texas is handing out the oil money to everybody.
	Yeah, the big boys did it.
	I didn't see no check anywhere.
	Anyway, so that's okay.
	But, you know, from there, it just kind of disintegrated into...
	Name calling.
	Basic name calling.
	And I did...
	Racist!
	I did pull out, and it worked really, really well.
	And this is great for those of you who will get into the conversation.
	So we're talking about gun control, and of course I rolled out my look, you can't really legislate crazy.
	At what point are you deemed mentally unhinged?
	Unhinged, off the wall, that you can't have a gun, and then where does it go from there?
	You can't be around kids, and you shouldn't be within 100 yards of a school.
	Where does it end?
	But then I said, but really, you're democratic leaders.
	I love saying that, because if they say, oh, I can always say, I didn't say that you're a Democrat.
	I said, you're democratic leaders.
	They don't give a rat's ass about you.
	All they care about, and they don't care about the legislation either.
	It doesn't matter if it passes or not.
	All they want is to keep this conversation going because that will bring all the women will never, ever, ever vote Republican again.
	That's our theme, our thesis that we've come up with as to why this is such a big deal.
	And they were smart.
	They went, oh, well, that's really working, isn't it?
	Yep.
	So when you get someone who's willing to listen, even an Obama bot, yeah.
	And I don't know what they voted for.
	I'm just presuming.
	Oh, please.
	You don't know.
	They didn't vote for Gary Johnson.
	I think Jennifer asked, don't you have a hero?
	I said, no.
	No?
	That's sad.
	She said your mom.
	No, that's really corny.
	Totally.
	That's corny.
	I wouldn't have done that.
	So anyway, but it was a big hit.
	Really, really big hit.
	So what did you serve for wine since you dumped the expensive Cote d'Iron into the box?
	They brought over a 2010 Shiraz, which was...
	Oh, well, that would match the meat.
	Yeah, it did.
	Actually, that's actually better.
	That would make the beef bourguignon cooked with a Syrah-Granache blend better combination with the wine.
	Now, there is something that goes along with...
	What'd you have for a vegetable?
	Did you cook the spinach?
	Yeah, we tried the way you suggested the spinach the day before.
	It didn't work?
	Yeah, but I like our way better.
	Okay.
	Yeah, no, your way was okay, you know, just in the water and everything, and then throw the butter in, but I kind of like the, just, I don't know.
	Yeah.
	No, it didn't work for us.
	It was fine, but it didn't work for us.
	And then we also did a goat cheese and pear salad, which Mickey actually did.
	That was the presentation of that.
	If you get the presentation right of that kind of salad, dynamite.
	Doesn't even matter how it tastes.
	Okay.
	So now do they invite you over?
	Is that the deal?
	Is it like the discreet charm of the bourgeoisie?
	Oh, yeah.
	It's the brain professor next.
	Who, by the way, agreed with us about that.
	Remember the brain guy on NPR who was talking about he can predict if someone's going to be a criminal or a repeat criminal with his little test?
	If a Y pops up, you hit the button.
	If an X pops up, you hit the button.
	Then you're clearly a criminal.
	Right, you're a pathological murderer.
	Right, so the guy said, and I said, that guy's a douchebag, and he agreed.
	He said, oh yeah, not only is he a douchebag, he goes around the country with a mobile brain scanner to show his theories.
	He says, the guy's a total, there's a lot of animosity in this brain business.
	And that whole Obama $100 million thing, he says, it's kind of bullcrap because $40 million of it was already appropriated by DARPA. So he was like, it wasn't really all new money, and everyone thought it was kind of weird.
	Even the brain guys don't quite get it.
	I'm paraphrasing, but that's what I was left with, so explain it better next time.
	Because they're listening.
	And they're on guard, too.
	I think that's a part of it.
	Are you going to use this for the show?
	Yeah.
	They're all listening now.
	Oh, yeah.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	But I did know...
	It sounds like at least a fun conversational group, not a bunch of dummies.
	No, no, totally.
	Totally.
	And Laurie is really...
	She's an artist and she's really into the whole...
	What do you call it?
	Art.
	Art.
	No, no, no.
	All the techno gadgets and...
	What's the transhumanization?
	Oh, God.
	Yeah.
	She'd probably have a visit at Singularity University.
	She'll probably be there with the Google glasses next.
	Exactly.
	I could totally see her with the Google glasses.
	You know, Natalie Del Conte's doing something like this.
	Oh, no.
	She's heading in this direction.
	Oh, no.
	Tell me it's not so.
	Yeah, no, she was, when she did the Twit thing about a month ago, she was talking about she's got herself all rigged up so she knows her heartbeat all the time.
	It's like some sort of self-reflective thing, so you're constantly, your blood pressure is in monitoring.
	Oh, yeah, oh, yeah.
	But you can get work with this stuff.
	So you can get gigs.
	I'm telling you.
	You can get gigs doing what?
	Oh, so Lori is an artist-in-residence at the University of Texas.
	Doing all this stuff with the brain people.
	That's how they know each other, you see.
	You can get good gigs.
	You're wiring yourself up.
	You can get invited to conferences.
	You get free airfare and all kinds of stuff.
	It's good.
	Just spew the bull.
	Just wear it.
	Whatever it is, just wear it.
	I can't stand this wearable computing stuff anyway.
	But I did feel something.
	It's the future, man.
	It's the future.
	Yeah, for real.
	I did feel something, there is a shift, and I kind of figured out where it's coming from, I think, with the conspiracy theories and how this is talked about now in mainstream.
	We've already noticed this a couple of times, and I'm going to say right up front, again, I am fully convinced now that Alex Jones is an agent of Of change and is playing his part in being an idiot on mainstream television,
	or at least projecting himself in such a way that it's easy to portray him as an idiot, to really classify anyone who has an alternative idea.
	Marginalization technique.
	Complete, yes, marginalization.
	Thank you.
	Is that a Nazi thing?
	Must be.
	No, I don't think it was the Nazis that came up.
	I think it's a straight out-and-out public relations effect, maybe specialized or developed by Bernays.
	Oh, yeah, that could be.
	It's a possibility.
	And I've also, I think I've figured out why, because really, does the mainstream media, is it really that important for them to say, oh, we have to knock these alternative news people down a peg?
	And if it really was true, then they would come after us, which they're not, because no one matters.
	I mean, it's so small on the big media scale, even what Alex Jones has.
	It's so incredibly small.
	So it has to be about something else, and I think I've figured it out.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's not that hard, but there are a couple of people who are telegraphing it and giving it away.
	Now, the first time...
	I really, this was a couple days ago, right after the White House Correspondents' Dinner, when I heard this, I'm like, hmm, wait a minute, there's something going on here.
	This is Chuck Todd, who's with, he's with, what is he, NBC? I think he's an NBC guy.
	Yeah, NBC. You know, what I wonder how many people realize at the end when he did his...
	You know, there's always this part at the end where they get serious for a minute.
	And it's usually the part where presidents say, you know, I think the press has a good job to do and I understand what they have to do.
	He didn't say that.
	He wasn't very complimentary of the press.
	You know, we all can do better.
	It did seem, I thought, his pot shots, joke-wise, and then the serious stuff about the Internet...
	The rise of the internet media and social media and all that stuff.
	He hates it, okay?
	He hates this part of the media.
	He really thinks that the sort of buzzification, this isn't just about BuzzFeed or Politico and all this stuff, but he thinks that sort of coverage of political media has hurt political discourse.
	He hates it.
	And I think he was just trying to make that clear last night.
	So I'm not so sure that that's entirely true, but I think it's a signal To mainstream, like, we're going after the crazies, and we're going to classify them as such.
	And there is a benefit to it, which I think does fit in with the president's next or upcoming mission, and really where all the money is.
	Because if you're not following the money, then no one cares.
	But first I need to bring in MSNBC's Martin Bashir.
	We know he's a creep.
	This guy is very creepy, actually.
	I don't watch his show, but someone alerted me to what was going on, and there was this whole segment he had on.
	And I pulled out as much of it as possible, because they're really taking Alex Jones to task.
	And, like, why do these guys care?
	I mean, who gives a crap?
	About what Alex Jones does.
	Why would they care at all?
	And why would they make such a big deal out of it?
	And, well, here's a couple of just interesting clips that I pulled, which kind of gives you an idea of what's going on here.
	You know, the early 2000s.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	He has a guest on.
	One guy is selling a book, and another guy is from the Huffington Post.
	And I think this is the Huffington Post guy.
	A lot of progressive sites, including Daily Kos, and I think even the Huffington Post said, "We're not going to publish anybody that's doing any 9/11 truth or nonsense.
	We're not going to get into it.
	It's a free country." It's interesting that the Huffington Post decided that they wouldn't do that.
	The First Amendment is a big internet, and go ahead and create your own WordPress blog and write whatever you want about it, but you're not going to talk about that here.
	The right did not do that when it came to birthers, and so all of a sudden you had this combination of them not believing the quote-unquote liberal media, You know, they don't trust the media as an institution.
	A lot of them don't trust the government either.
	You know, Waco and Ruby Ridge and all that stuff.
	Why would we trust the government after Waco and Ruby Ridge and all that stuff?
	I mean, really.
	After Waco and Ruby Ridge, they don't trust the government.
	Nobody was indicted.
	They know who was the sniper who killed the poor guy's wife.
	It's interesting, though, that...
	And nobody does anything about it when somebody, you know, sneezes while there's a burglary and you're part of the conspiracy.
	It's interesting, though, when the way he says it and the way Bashir agrees, it's like they're both saying, yeah, how could you even think about the government being wrong in those cases?
	That was so justified.
	I mean, listen to it.
	Of them not believing the quote-unquote liberal media, you know, they don't trust the media as an institution.
	A lot of them don't trust the government either.
	You know, Waco and Ruby Ridge and all that stuff.
	You get that toxic combination, and then you get establishment figures in the Republican Party backing up this birtherism And then you have these email chains that are whipping around the country, and they would use as validation, they would say, you haven't seen this on the mainstream media, therefore it's true.
	The fact that the media would not validate it, to them, validates it.
	Is that him laughing?
	Yeah, he's going...
	That's so crazy!
	It's just a crazy thought that if we're not looking at it, that it could be true.
	The fact that the media would not validate it, to them, validates it.
	Incredible.
	Right, so you need people like Eric Erickson to say...
	Incredible.
	Just incredibly stupid.
	And so they also attack Beck, which I think is probably justified.
	But then, this is really funny.
	Listen to the discrepancy.
	And here's the douchebag who's not the Huffington Post douchebag, some other guy or whatever.
	But you'll hear it's really funny what happens in this 50 seconds.
	Earlier we played some sound of Glenn Beck linking what happened in Boston disgracefully to Auschwitz.
	And let me show everyone a picture of that.
	There you can see Beck, a picture of Boston, and in the bottom right corner his new book on The Truth about gun control.
	In the end, this is all just about peddling books and amortizing their brand, isn't it?
	Of course.
	And, you know, eventually it got fired, even from Fox, because they started to lose advertisers.
	And in my book, which isn't out yet, but it's coming out.
	So I find this...
	Oh, well done!
	Isn't that great?
	You're trying to get Clip of the Day on me?
	Didn't you like that?
	It's like, it's disgraceful Glenn Becker selling a book, but in my book, which is coming out next month.
	Are you kidding me?
	In my book, which isn't out yet, but it's coming out in a month, I explain how at one point Steve Jobs, the late Steve Jobs, heard that Glenn Beck had called Obama a racist, and he ordered all Apple ads off of Fox, and he said, no, it can't wait till Monday.
	This was on a Friday that it happened.
	They had to go out to a transmission facility and pull out a digital file to make sure that all Apple ads were off Fox.
	Not long after that, Beck was fired.
	So here he is with the revelation that Glenn Beck was fired because Steve Jobs made it so, which I find an interesting connection.
	You know, that may or may not be true.
	It's a possibility because he was very fickle.
	And Jobs was a huge Democrat.
	He had Clinton over at his house, and he was a neoliberal Democrat.
	Anybody out there.
	And so I could see him doing that.
	Like all rich Americans, he was a Democrat.
	Like the true wealthy in America, he was a Democrat.
	Yeah, no, like the super rich people.
	Super rich.
	With very few exceptions, they're almost all Democrats.
	Because the idea that the party wants to keep people in their place.
	Yes.
	And so if you're in your place and you're up at the top, great.
	So anyway, that makes sense.
	Well, so bear with me now.
	By the way, which brings us back to our model.
	Well, before we get into that, because it is an important part of our model, because this guy, I have more clips, but I don't want to play that.
	He literally is saying the way we have to get rid of these crazy fringe people, although Glenn Beck is arguably fringe, he's making a lot of money with his radio show, is by going after the advertisers.
	So he keeps saying, go after the advertisers, go after the advertisers, this is how you bring them down, and that's really what this conversation is about.
	Now, on the heels of this, We've had a lot of articles.
	Salon is out front, but you'll see more of this.
	And the article that came out today is Alex Jones' Conspiracy, Inc.
	And so they show you...
	And there's a cool picture of him with just big wads of cash all around his head.
	And it shows how they break down quite in detail.
	And I'm not sure if it's right or not.
	But in detail, they break down how much money he must be making.
	And there's a guess somewhere between $6 and $8 million a year with all the stuff.
	Seeds.
	Sounds.
	What?
	Seeds.
	Seeds.
	Yeah, I think it's reasonable between six and eight million probably.
	Let's see.
	How does it end up?
	Of course, it talks about crazy conspiracy theories, and the whole idea is that these are conspiracy entrepreneurs.
	Yeah.
	Conspiracy, so that's what they call it.
	Yeah, Conspiracy Entrepreneurs, Conspiracy Inc.
	And this is what everyone's trying to be pigeonholed in, and Alex Jones up front, and he's doing a very good job of that, I have to say.
	Yeah, he's the leader.
	He's the leader.
	He's really hurting everybody else.
	Really is hurting them with his insane, because he is insane.
	It's insane behavior.
	When he makes it to me, he's insane.
	Just seeds in my face.
	It's hurting.
	It's hurting because then you get this kind of stuff and the marginalization is beginning.
	And then you have to yell a lot louder.
	Which makes you sound insane.
	Yeah, well, yes it does.
	Of course it makes me.
	The only thing that makes this show work is you.
	I'm so down to earth.
	You are.
	That's right.
	And I can cook a stew.
	So then, there are two other articles.
	One, it was republished in Salon, How Conspiracists Think, but it comes from Scientific American.
	Now, Scientific American, you think this would be kind of...
	Scientific, wouldn't you?
	Science!
	Of course, unless you've actually followed the fact that Scientific American went off the rails.
	Science!
	Probably 15 years ago when they essentially threw themselves under the bus of pop science and became pretty useless.
	Well, but it's just as much about science as the Federal Reserve is a part of the government.
	Let's put it that way.
	It works, though.
	People think Federal Reserve, that's part of the government.
	People think Scientific American, that's real science.
	So, this is written by Sander van der Linden, who seems like a Dutch guy, but he may be of Dutch heritage, but that's not clear in his bio.
	The title here is, Moon Landing Faked!
	Why People Believe in Conspiracy Theories!
	And here it is.
	New psychological research helps explain why some see intricate government conspiracies behind events like 9-11 or the Boston bombing.
	And right off the bat, he telegraphs what his article is really about.
	Did NASA fake the moon landing?
	Is the government hiding Martians in Area 51?
	Is global warming a hoax?
	And what about the Boston Marathon bombing?
	An inside job, perhaps?
	And then he promotes this book, The Empire of Conspiracy, and it really doesn't go into anything at all, but he does bring it around back to global warming.
	And I'll just skip to the end.
	All these articles, of course, are in the show notes, even with archived versions at 509.nashownotes.com.
	So since a number of studies have shown that belief in conspiracy theories is associated with feelings of powerlessness, uncertainty, and a general lack of agency and control, a likely purpose of this bias is to help people make sense of the world by providing simple explanations for complex social events, restoring a sense of control and predictability.
	A good example of that is climate change.
	You know, what's interesting to interrupt you there, I like the way he uses his adjectives to say a simple explanation.
	The anti-warmists, the people who believe global warming is not what it's purported to be, those explanations they have are anything but simple.
	I sent you a link to one of the studies of this guy who's an actual title expert.
	I put it in here.
	And he says the problem is that these computer models are bullcrap, and he's gone out.
	I'm going to let you get to all of that, because that's where we're headed.
	But I need to make the bridge so people understand what's going on, what's happening right now, and why this conspiracy theory stuff is taking place.
	So he brings this around, and I'll skip to the very end here.
	A good example of that is climate change.
	While the most recent international scientific assessment report receiving input from over 2,500 independent scientists from more than 100 countries, science is in, Concluded with 90% certainty that human-induced global warming is occurring.
	The severe consequences and implications of climate change are often too distressing and overwhelming for people to deal with, both cognitively as well as emotionally.
	Resorting to easier explanations that simply discount global warming as a hoax is then of course much more comforting and convenient psychologically.
	Yet, as Al Gore famously pointed out, unfortunately, the truth is not always convenient.
	So I'm like, who is this douchebag?
	Here he is, and this is what led me down the path.
	Selmder van der Linde is a doctoral candidate in social environmental psychology at the London School of Economics and Political Science, and currently a visiting research scholar with the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication at Yale University.
	His research focuses on behavioral change, the psychology of communication, and the construction of human risk perception.
	I think Goebbels is one of his professors.
	Because this thing at Yale, and you've got to take a look at this.
	This is the Yale Project.
	It's often called the Yale Project on Climate Change, but it's not really that.
	It's the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication.
	And they have come out with a number of reports.
	The most recent report, Extreme Weather and Climate Change in the American Mind.
	This is a report from April 2013.
	But the one that interests me the most is the one from December 2012.
	Global warming six Americas.
	Because there are six type of Americas, John.
	Can you believe it?
	There's the kind of America that totally believes in global warming all the way down to the dismissives.
	We're all going to die.
	No, the dismissives.
	We are the dismissives.
	And this guy shows up on Bill Moyers, which is a part of PBS.com.
	Right.
	And Bill Moyers does an hour-long interview with him.
	I mean, an hour-long interview.
	Is this the ending, the silence on climate change with Bill Moyers?
	I'm sorry?
	No, it's a different one.
	I can't find...
	The guy's name is Lacerowicz.
	Where are you getting this December date?
	I can't find it on the site.
	Oh, look on the right-hand side.
	You see there's a 2012 Six Americas report.
	Are you looking at the Yale Climate Change Communication site?
	Bridging Science and Technology?
	Yeah.
	Hey, you see on the right-hand side?
	Okay, there it is.
	I'm sorry.
	All right.
	And it's really boring.
	It's just a whole bunch of graphs and crap.
	Find out which of the six Americans you want.
	Don't click on that.
	I'm going to do the quiz with you.
	Don't do it now.
	Don't click.
	I'm not clicking.
	Promise you won't click because it's so much fun.
	I clicked on the PDF, but I didn't click on the test.
	Don't click on the test.
	Please, please, please.
	Okay, okay.
	So let's just listen to this morning at the breakfast table with Ms.
	Mickey.
	I had to clip a couple things.
	So this is the spokeshole.
	And first of all, let's find out about this science.
	Because he's going to break it down for us, explain how this science is correct.
	And what is the role of religious faith in answering it?
	What do you say to the secularists?
	I say, let's engage on the science.
	Let me hear what your arguments are, and then let's respond to them, and I would ask in turn that you listen to what the scientific community has to say.
	Are you ready?
	Do you think you can explain it, what the scientific community has to say?
	John, are you ready for it?
	Have you ever listened?
	Well, stand by.
	It's perfectly fine to have a great conversation with many people about the science itself.
	Because the science is so robust at this point.
	I mean, we have basically known for over 20 years now.
	Because they've shouted down everybody else.
	Listen, listen.
	The science is robust.
	Stand by.
	Yeah, because they've shouted down everybody else.
	Be quiet now, otherwise you're going to miss it.
	And it actually boils down, for all the complexity of the science, it's really quite simple.
	It's real.
	For all its complexity, it's real, okay?
	Shut up, it's real.
	Climate change is real.
	It's real.
	It is mostly human-caused this time.
	Mostly?
	There have been climate change over many millions of years in the past that had nothing to do with human beings.
	That's a little piece of problem.
	Oh, yeah.
	Shut up already.
	It's science.
	It's mostly...
	Well, okay, go on.
	Yeah, let me go on.
	...being caused by our activities.
	Third, it's going to be bad.
	In fact, it's bad now, and it's going to get worse.
	It's going to be bad.
	Fourth, there's hope that there are lots of solutions already on the table.
	All right.
	So now he's going to explain it.
	Explain what this means, you know, this rising of the temperature.
	I mean, what is this?
	What is the best...
	Remember, this is a professor...
	In climate change communication, he runs the whole department at Yale.
	He's a PR guy.
	Duh.
	What do you think, what analogy could you use that would work with stupid slaves who are going to buy into this?
	Well, I don't know.
	Just use a simple analogy because people often will say, well, you know, four or five degrees, that doesn't sound like very much.
	I mean, I see the temperature change more from night to day.
	But it's the wrong way to think about it.
	I mean, think about when you get sick and you get a fever.
	Your body is usually at 98.7 degrees.
	If your temperature rises by one degree, you feel a little off.
	But you can still go to work, you're fine.
	It rises by two degrees and you're now feeling sick.
	In fact, you're probably going to take the day off because you definitely don't feel good.
	And in fact, you're getting everything from hot flashes to cold chills.
	Oh, I love it.
	At three degrees, you're starting to get really sick.
	And at four degrees and five degrees, your brain is actually slipping into a coma.
	Okay?
	You're close to death.
	The earth has a fever!
	And it's going to die!
	The earth is slipping into a coma.
	Now, just stop for a second, because wasn't this the same group that, as we were reading earlier, bitch about the people who are anti-warmest as being simple?
	Absolutely.
	I mean, this is the most simple-minded analogy that means nothing.
	Nope.
	Okay, so now let's find out about these six Americans.
	I think they'd come back to that if Moyers would never do this thing.
	Well, yeah, that could be true, but the range of temperatures that the human body can endure is minimal.
	The range of temperatures on Earth at any given time starts at minus 30 or minus 50 degrees and goes up to 120 degrees.
	Earth has a fever, John.
	John, Mother Earth has a fever.
	She's not feeling good.
	Here's about the six Americans, so we'll find out who we are soon.
	Only thing about the potential solutions.
	So for them, it's really just basic awareness that they need to be engaged in.
	All right, let's get to the dismissives, because this is where it all starts to come together.
	Two last groups.
	One is, we call it doubtful.
	It's about 13% of the public.
	Doubtful!
	These are people who say, well, I don't think it's happening, but if it is, it's natural.
	Nothing humans had anything to do with, and therefore nothing we can do anything about.
	So they don't pay that much attention, but they're predisposed to say, not a problem.
	And then last but not least, 8% of Americans are what we call the dismissive.
	And these are people who are firmly convinced it's not happening, it's not human caused, it's not a serious problem, and many are what we would lovingly call conspiracy theorists.
	Lovingly called conspiracy theorists.
	Oh, this is even better.
	It's a hoax.
	What?
	They had a meeting to use that one.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's scientists making up data.
	It's a U.N. plot to take away American sovereignty, and so on.
	Uncle Phil, and he's the nicest guy.
	He's a little nutty.
	He's been, you know, a poor man.
	He gets lost if he goes outside.
	But we love Uncle Phil.
	He's really a deeply, deeply nice, nice person.
	Yeah.
	Here we go.
	It's a serious problem, and many are what we would lovingly call conspiracy theorists.
	They say it's a hoax.
	It's scientists making up data, it's a UN plot to take away American sovereignty, and so on.
	Now that's only 8%, but they're a very well mobilized, organized, and loud 8%, and they've tended to dominate the public square.
	I love how he says okay after every sentence.
	Silicon Valley, the guys always go, right?
	So you have the transmogrified Google Glass, which is perfect for everyone who wants one, right?
	And then this guy's saying okay, okay.
	He says a real soft okay.
	Six totally different audiences that need completely different types of information and engagement to deal with this issue.
	So one of the first tasks, and you know this as a communicator as well as I do, one of the first rules of effective communication is know thy audience.
	Ah, know thy audience.
	It's one of the commandments, I think.
	Know thy audience.
	Of course, know thy audience.
	You have to understand, though, John, this very small group, they're the loudest.
	You know why they're loud, don't you?
	You know why.
	You know why.
	Like us.
	I mean, you and I, clearly, clearly we're financed by horrible polluting companies.
	Oil companies.
	Yeah, we get a check every week.
	I just get, it's just like, it's wheelbarrows coming in.
	Wheelbarrows of cash.
	In fact, even the environment as a category never gets above, say, one or at most two percent of total news coverage.
	But it's not just the amount of media coverage.
	It's also the fact that there's been a very active disinformation campaign.
	Disinformation campaign.
	This guy only listens to Fox, I guess.
	That's been going on for many years.
	It's very well documented.
	Very well documented?
	Do you have canceled checks to show or something?
	Certainly, and still to this day, driven by fossil fuel company interests, who are the world's most profitable companies.
	And get ready for it.
	I mean, they're very happy, thank you very much, with the status quo.
	What are they seeing in this disinformation campaign?
	Well, historically, this has been the key strategy all along.
	And here's something that Michael Crichton was talking about in 2005.
	In fact, it's a strategy that was lifted explicitly, directly out of the tobacco wars, which is...
	Make people think that the science is still unsettled.
	And if my perception is that the experts are still arguing over whether the problem exists, as a layperson my tendency is to say, well, I'll let them figure it out and I'll take this much more seriously once they...
	They've reached their conclusion.
	So this, of course, is people who said that...
	Basically, they're equating the tobacco industry to the fossil fuel industry.
	Yeah, that's a really good way to go.
	It's a very good way to go.
	Throw a couple of things in, unless you're right on the spot.
	Well, I wanted to give you two more things, because I figure you're just going to go off and I have a question for you, and I think we should do the test.
	Okay, this interruption won't change anything.
	Please, go.
	But this idea of the oil companies, the oil companies are money makers, there's no doubt about it.
	But what they do is they drill holes and make money from what comes out, and then they generally own the product when it should be shared in some instances, like it is in Alaska and Ecuador and places like that.
	But they've managed to – their evil, if anything, is the fact that they don't share the wealth.
	They are nothing like the tobacco companies who are in front of Congress lying – In fact, the oil companies, having worked for one and then was an air pollution inspector at another one for the government, I can say honestly that they're not like that at all.
	When I was working for Union Oil, they were all in on peak oil.
	Yeah.
	And they were discussing openly the issues that, you know, what are we going to do in the future if things, you know, crap out and...
	They were not sitting around like these tobacco guys were, and it was only the tobacco executives that were ditching reports.
	There's no reports that they're hiding.
	This is bull crap, is what I'm saying.
	Go on.
	I want to take the test real quick with you.
	Don't worry, because based upon your answers, it won't be very long.
	So this is the test that they actually used to come up with this 8% number, which is why I thought it was interesting to take it.
	So I have your age is 61, your gender male.
	What's your zip code?
	Is 94107?
	Is that close enough?
	It's good enough.
	You can use any number.
	Next question.
	Okay.
	Recently you may have noticed that global warming has been getting some attention in the news.
	Global warming refers to the idea.
	This, by the way, is KQED. This is PBS. Oh, our boys over here in San Francisco.
	Yeah, this is your public media online helping them with this bogativeness.
	Okay, global warming refers to the idea that the world's average temperature has been increasing over the past 150 years, may be increasing more in the future, and the world's climate may change as a result.
	What do you think?
	Do you think that global warming is happening?
	Answers, yes, no, don't know.
	I think it is.
	I would put yes on that because I think it's a cycle.
	I'm a cycle guy.
	Yeah, good.
	Because of your last answer, you do not need to answer anything here.
	Please skip ahead to the next question.
	Oh, don't worry.
	Next question.
	Hold on.
	Don't have to do four.
	Okay.
	If global warming is happening, do you think it is, one, caused mostly by human activities, two, caused mostly by natural changes in the environment, three, other, or four, none of the above because global warming isn't happening?
	I would say two.
	Natural changes to the environment.
	Okay, next question.
	How worried are you about global warming?
	Very worried?
	Somewhat worried?
	Not very worried?
	Not at all worried?
	Not at all.
	Not at all worried.
	Okay, here we go.
	Because we're going to determine your category.
	How much do you think global warming will harm you personally?
	Great deal?
	A moderate amount?
	Not at all?
	Don't know.
	What?
	Read those again?
	So how much do you think global warming will harm you personally?
	A great deal, a moderate amount, not at all, or don't know?
	Not at all.
	Not at all.
	When do you think global warming will start to harm people in the United States?
	You see how they're leading you down a path now?
	Oh yeah, now they've changed.
	I've said it's not going to harm me, but they're just like the EU having to revolt.
	Here we go.
	Let's try you again on that question.
	Well, you do have some answers.
	They are being harmed now, in 10 years, 25 years, 50 years, 100 years, or never.
	Well, I would say never, but I could also say they're being harmed now by the propaganda.
	Yeah, but you know that's not the right answer.
	So we'll say never.
	No, it's specifically global warming, not the global warming propaganda.
	That would be a derivative of the global warming.
	We'll go to the next question.
	How much do you think global warming will harm future generations of people?
	See, you can't get out.
	How many times do I have to answer the same question?
	Okay, a great deal, a moderate amount, not at all, or don't know?
	Not at all, I would presume, right?
	That's fine.
	I don't know either one.
	Okay.
	How much had you thought about global warming before today?
	A lot, some, a little, or not at all?
	Not at all.
	Well, no, a some.
	Some.
	Because we talked about it.
	Yeah, we talked about it.
	That's what I answered, too.
	How important is the issue of global warming to you personally?
	Extremely important, very important, somewhat important, not too important, not at all important.
	Well, because we discuss it so much on the show, it's somewhat important.
	I answered this the same way.
	I answered it honestly.
	I could easily change my mind about global warming.
	Strongly agree, somewhat agree, somewhat disagree, strongly disagree.
	Easily is the operative word there.
	Yes, yes.
	The operative adverb, I think.
	Yes.
	I would say, read them again.
	Strongly agree, somewhat agree, somewhat disagree, strongly disagree.
	I don't know.
	I somewhat disagree.
	We're almost done.
	How many of your friends share your views on global warming?
	None.
	A few.
	Some.
	Most.
	Or all.
	Some.
	Are you sure it's not a few?
	What's the difference between some and a few?
	I think it's more a few than some.
	You're in Berkeley.
	What are you talking about?
	Yeah, I'm in the right.
	If I was in Kansas City.
	Who's calling me?
	Go away.
	You crazy.
	Which of the following statements comes closest to your view?
	This is a big one.
	Global warming isn't happening.
	Humans can't reduce global warming, even if it is happening.
	Humans could reduce global warming, but people aren't willing to change their behavior, so they're not going to.
	Humans could reduce global warming, but it's unclear at this point whether we will do what's needed.
	Or humans could reduce global warming, and we're going to do so successfully.
	I would have that second answer.
	Humans can't do crap.
	Okay, even if it's happening.
	Okay, good.
	Got it.
	Do you think citizens themselves should be doing more or less to address global warming?
	Much more, more, doing the right amount, less or much less?
	This is also a trick question.
	I would say less.
	Less.
	Okay.
	I wonder what category you're going to be, and we're about to find out.
	Over the past 12 months, how many times have you punished companies that were opposing steps to reduce global warming by not buying their products?
	Oh, that is disgusting.
	So you can say never once, a few times, several times, many times, or don't know.
	Isn't that a horrible question?
	Why don't they ask the opposite question?
	How many times do you punish companies that promote the global warmest agenda?
	Is that on there?
	Let me see.
	Is that question on there?
	Let me see.
	Do you think global warming should be a low, medium, high, or very high priority for the President and Congress?
	Low.
	Low.
	And the final question.
	People disagree whether the United States should reduce greenhouse gas emissions on its own or make reductions only if other countries do too.
	Which of the following statements comes closest to your own point of view?
	The United States should reduce its greenhouse gas emissions, regardless of what other countries do, only if other industrialized countries such as England, Germany, and Japan reduce their emissions, only if other industrialized countries developing countries such as China, India, and Brazil reduce their emissions, not at all, or don't know.
	Well, it doesn't hurt.
	But I'd say not at all insofar as that question is concerned.
	Okay, not at all.
	And here we go.
	Your climate profile.
	Guess what?
	What?
	John C. Dvorak!
	You are a dismissive!
	How can I be a dismissive?
	That's right.
	Would you like to know what this means?
	Because if I'm a dismissive, those earlier questions that I answered ambiguously are invalid.
	They don't account for anything.
	In the United States, the dismissives are mostly white, male, conservative, and Republican.
	They are politically active, strongly religious, and the group most likely identify themselves as born-again or evangelical Christians.
	Oh, what a crock that is.
	That doesn't apply to me in the least.
	It's alright, I'm the same.
	You came out as a dismissive?
	Duh.
	Amen, my brother.
	I can tell you what the answer should be for a dismissive.
	I think it's all bullshit.
	People in the dismissive group believe that global warming is not happening.
	And if it is, it is caused by natural changes in the environment.
	Most believe there is a lot of scientific disagreement about the issue.
	Let me just say something about this.
	Consensus is not science.
	Science is not consensus.
	Science is empirical facts with repeatable processes.
	Not a model that predicts something like, you know, the children of Britain will never see snow except in a snow globe.
	Okay?
	Science is not consensus.
	Am I wrong about this, John?
	No, it has to be repeatable and observable.
	In fact, we have it in the show notes.
	We had one of our listeners say, you guys are idiots for thinking that the world's not coming to an end.
	And he went on about it.
	I found it very insulting because of the way he phrases it.
	But then again, email is naturally insulting.
	I could be wrong.
	But I blew up.
	Yeah, you did.
	That was funny.
	Yeah, I know you get the biggest kick when I do that.
	I do it about once a month on some poor guy's case.
	But there is an upside to all this.
	But let me finish.
	The one thing that...
	We have in the show notes is the guy who went out and actually checked the tides.
	He says, you can talk all you want about these computer models.
	And by the way, we had a big fiasco recently about computer models and the world's economies because somebody had the wrong formula in an Excel spreadsheet.
	This happens all the time.
	Remember the volcanic ash that erupted?
	All airplanes had to stop.
	No flying!
	We had to stop flying because planes are going to be crashing everywhere.
	It was the most beautiful flying weather ever.
	Remember that?
	We had pilots emailing me.
	Like, this is crazy.
	It's fantastic here.
	Because they predicted where the cloud was going, and they were wrong!
	Yeah, they can't even predict that.
	And so we have these problems, and so the guy goes out and measures all the ties that are supposed to have gone up and down and the rest, and he finds a lot of them are gone down, and the title differences, and he doesn't see it.
	He says, I went out and looked.
	I went from, you know, he's a big shot in this.
	He goes around the world, and he says, I'm not seeing anything that they're talking about.
	There's no evidence.
	Well, there may be some reverse evidence.
	Yeah, well, there could be the global cooling.
	Well, no, there's a resolution in Congress.
	Now, a resolution is not a law, but I guess it's to make everyone feel good so they can have a drink and say, well, good job, Joe.
	Good day at the office.
	The resolution in Congress says that climate change is forcing women into prostitution.
	Oh, yeah!
	Yeah, I love this one.
	There's an upside to everything.
	Yeah, so here it is, the resolution, whereas women will disproportionately face harmful impacts from climate change.
	Insecure women with limited socioeconomic resources may be vulnerable to situations such as sex work, transactional sex, which, by the way, is called marriage, okay?
	Let me just define that for you.
	An early marriage to put them at risk of HIV. Oh, ha, ha.
	You're going to be a whore and have AIDS because of climate change.
	This is insane.
	This is just insane.
	I love this thing.
	I'm glad you brought it up because I forgot about it.
	Yeah, you're going to be a whore with AIDS. Now, okay, so let's just follow the money for a moment.
	And this is, I think, where this guy messes up, because I think he's lying, and I believe, because you were much more involved at the time, because, of course, what this really, the way I see it, The whole climate change thing is not about saving the earth.
	No one gives a crap about you or the earth.
	These guys don't care.
	It's about taking your money in the form of a tax, a carbon tax, and it will be for everything.
	Like, oh, you talk too much.
	We'll have to tax that.
	Australia now has this, so it's an actual tax.
	And from what I understand, the idea is to take that money and then go help the poor black children in Africa.
	But of course we do that with our American companies.
	We're not going to give them the big giant check like, congratulations kids, here's your check, here's your money.
	No, no, no.
	You give it to American companies like Halliburton and Bechtel and you give it to all the big guys.
	This is what we do.
	We have war for the same reason.
	Okay, we go and, you know, shoot up Iraq.
	Why?
	We go rebuild it.
	Yay!
	Good work, everybody!
	So here's where this guy screws up.
	And there's actually a historical precedent.
	We used to have a huge acid rain problem in this country.
	We created, essentially, a cap-and-trade system.
	Is that true?
	We had a cap and trade system for acid rain?
	Yeah.
	Where we capped the amount of sulfur dioxide being emitted from these smokestacks, brought that cap down over years, and allowed companies to sell their emission rights between each other.
	So a company that was really good at reducing their emissions could sell that remaining block to another company that needed more time.
	It was one of the most successful programs in American history.
	It was put on the table and passed by a Republican president, the first George Bush Senior.
	And it solved the problem, or it largely solved the problem, at a cost far below what even the best estimates at the time were.
	So you're the expert here, John.
	How is this cap-and-trade not the same cap-and-trade that is being discussed, where I believe all the money is and what this whole thing is about?
	I think you're right.
	Now there's evidence that the whole acid rain thing was a hoax.
	No, you don't say.
	But I remember the era.
	It was everything, 60 Minutes reports, and they would show some old statue in Italy.
	The face was dissolved.
	From acid rain?
	From acid rain.
	And the big ones were all falling apart from acid rain.
	Wait a minute, I've got to find that.
	Statue in Italy, face eaten off acid rain.
	I'm sure it's on Google.
	And so once they put the cap and trade in, all these stories ended.
	The success of the whole thing was to get this in place.
	And it then became systemized.
	I think right now, because there's such resistance...
	8% is a lot of people.
	Apparently, if I'm categorizing it, to get the number up to 8% by putting me in the dismissive category instead of the...
	It indicates that they're freaked.
	So, here's what the goal is.
	You get the cap and trade, you get the carbon tax, you get all that in.
	Nothing really changes.
	And we point this out.
	We've pointed it out before, and it should be pointed out the same thing with acid rain.
	Cap and trade...
	Is an insincere version of a solution because if you think there's a problem, you cap.
	You don't trade.
	Right.
	You just say, we got too much of this, too much of that, we can't do it anymore.
	You cap it.
	That's what the air pollution laws did.
	No.
	You're getting fined if this comes out of that smokestack.
	You can't trade the pollution for some other place that's not polluting.
	The general pollution laws don't have cap and trade.
	Cap and trade doesn't change anything.
	It just creates a new system of passing money around.
	The idea, it seems to me, is...
	To get a cap-and-trade in place, and then you just stop talking about it, and then 10 years down the road you say, man, that cap-and-trade worked like a champ.
	The global warming is over.
	And I'll pile on with you, and I'll say the reason why they need to do it now is because we're going into a little mini ice age.
	We are going into a true global cooling, and they need to do it now, otherwise you can't do that.
	You can't claim victory in a couple of years.
	No, you have to get this done.
	Yeah.
	Here's the true climate change right here.
	This thing.
	This thing is making climate change happen in Austin, Texas.
	I'll tell you that.
	This rain stick.
	Today, again, 65 degrees, rain.
	It's fantastic.
	Love it.
	It's awesome.
	It's going to be washed down the road.
	Are you on a hill?
	Are you high enough that the floods won't get you?
	Yeah, we're good.
	Yeah, we're totally good.
	We're good here.
	So I think that there is a concerted effort to categorize all alternative media as crazy conspiracy theory, conspiracy industry.
	Oh, you guys are just like...
	The Alex Jones got a seed guy.
	You know, I listen to Alex...
	We get these letters.
	I listen to Alex Jones.
	You guys are like Alex Jones, aren't you?
	How come you don't mention Alex Jones?
	Why don't you play some Alex Jones clips?
	We're like playing an Alex Jones clip.
	And so it's like...
	But we also get letters that say, you know, I've listened to you guys and I listen to Alex Jones, and I don't listen to Alex Jones anymore.
	Yeah, luckily we get more of those, I'll say.
	Luckily we get more of those.
	And the reason why we can have this conversation like this, and the reason why we're not profiled as morons is, A, we're not morons.
	Two, this is...
	The best podcast in the universe!
	And three...
	We have our value-for-value model, which means people who like listening to our analysis, who know that we're not compromised by disinfo campaign from big polluters, because if we were, I'd be rich.
	Think about it.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, we'd be rolling in dough.
	We are the perfect guys.
	You wouldn't be bitching about your used car.
	No.
	No, I would not.
	No.
	Did you see that tweet?
	Which one?
	So, okay.
	So I finally got it together.
	Wait a minute.
	Let's use that as the beginning of the show.
	Did you see that tweet?
	Did you see that tweet?
	Please.
	Okay.
	Well, here's what happened.
	So I guess it didn't work last time, but finally I figured out I did the online thing to get rid of the Range Rover, which is, you know, the tires are now square.
	You know, it's under the oak tree.
	It's filled with goop.
	You know, it won't start anymore.
	You know, it's got lemon.
	Tars don't take long to start to fall apart if you just leave them alone.
	Yeah, well, I wrote lemon on the side, as you suggested, to see if Range Rover USA would do something.
	They didn't.
	Of course, they didn't see it because you get the thing under an oak tree.
	And so you complete the process, and I did it with the Make-A-Wish Foundation.
	Lemon.
	What's your suggestion?
	No, it's a really good idea, but you're supposed to drive it around.
	Oh.
	Well, so I donated it to the Make-A-Wish Foundation.
	I've worked with them before.
	I think they're a pretty good organization.
	You know me.
	I check all those forms and everything, see if they're like total a-holes.
	And I've done stuff for kids who are dying who have a wish.
	Come on.
	And so I complete the process.
	It's like one of those things where you click the last button and that actually sends out a tweet.
	Which I didn't really, you know, it's like, okay, whatever.
	And so it sends out a tweet.
	I donated my car to Wheels for Wishes to help make a wish come true for a local child.
	I'm like, ugh, okay.
	But then I get this tweet from LoveLuckLiberty.
	You got your pathetic $1,500 deduction but loaded up more debt for the poor to make up for it.
	Clap, clap, clap.
	Ha ha!
	Like, what the hell is that?
	Ha ha!
	That's hilarious.
	How in the world does my tax deduction of $1,500 load up more debt for the poor?
	You bastard!
	You a-hole!
	How does that work, John?
	What did I not...
	What am I doing wrong?
	What you're doing wrong is having assholes like that paying attention to them.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	So that really hurts.
	I'm like, oh, humanity is gone.
	This is not good.
	It's over.
	Yeah, that's my big $1,500 deduction.
	Woo!
	Look out, everybody.
	Here I come.
	Yeah, the country's going down the tubes because of that.
	Yeah.
	Let's thank...
	Let's thank a few producers.
	Yes, we do.
	Oh, and I'd like to...
	I want to read a quick note from Sir Dr.
	Sharkey.
	Okay.
	And he says, I've listed my executive producer status on my LinkedIn page, and he wants us to know he's gotten more messages asking about that credit than anything else.
	So this is good information.
	That's great information.
	Because we always tell people that these are real credits.
	You can put them on your IMDB, on your wiki page, you can put it on your business card.
	But put it on your LinkedIn profile and apparently you get a lot of heat for it, a lot of action.
	And this guy is a successful doctor.
	Oh, okay.
	I think everyone out there who's got a LinkedIn account should do that.
	Yeah, it's a very good idea.
	And I think there's a way...
	Don't we have a no agenda LinkedIn thing so we can all LinkedIn to the LinkedIn?
	There is a link.
	There is a club, yeah.
	Yeah, okay.
	So LinkedIn to the club.
	I'm on, but I never look at it, so...
	Well, yeah, but you put it on your bio.
	That's where you put the credit.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Exactly.
	So we have a number of executive producers.
	One with an extremely long note, which I feel obliged to read.
	Oh, very good.
	And this is Thomas Badrick in New Jersey.
	He was sent in 48350.
	And this note to me is highly entertaining.
	It's a little long, but here we go.
	Dear Jordan in Albania, I'm sorry to admit it's been a while since I've dropped a donation.
	I was considering giving you guys a cut of my tax break this year, but PayPal doesn't take kindly to negative integers.
	Suffice it to say, I've been a bit reluctant, but after a short conversation in the barber's chair this morning, I was reminded that despite of all the unconventional and sometimes off-kilter ideas that sometimes get fired around on the best podcasts in the universe, the news, the general public swallows, is batshit insane!
	In fact, I thought I'd share.
	Here's the Boston incident in a nutshell, according to my barber.
	Okay, this will be good.
	Here we go.
	The younger brother and the older brother, names not given, lived with their mother and grew up on welfare.
	They received free food, free education, and a free ride through college with straight A's because that's what affirmative action does.
	They were all illegal immigrants and had been on the terrorist watch list since birth.
	Yes, birth.
	What?
	Let's write that one down.
	After the bombing, which was likely some sort of depleted uranium dirty bomb, the police chased him through town, gunned down one, and ran him over twice to make sure he was dead.
	Then the other brother killed two cops, stole a police car, then hid in a boat while he tried to build more bombs with the boat engine.
	Then tried to kill himself via bullet to the head, but he didn't know where his brain was, So he shot himself in the throat.
	And after some of the best health care in the world, he's now in good health and boxing in an amateur circuit with the pseudonym Corn Flake.
	Also, the mother does not wish to bury her dead son because the state won't cover the funeral expenses, so she will probably donate his body to science.
	On the bright side of all this crazy, my haircut came out just fine.
	Yeah.
	I believe, by the way, that that sort of thing is exactly what...
	I'm amazed that Thomas didn't send us his entire life savings after that.
	The most entertaining thing he's heard for a while.
	This may be his life savings, by the way.
	What am I saying?
	I'm sorry.
	You need some karma, if you would.
	Hell yeah.
	Thank you so much.
	What a great note, too.
	You've got karma.
	He's actually kind of from my old stomping grounds there in Jersey.
	Makes sense.
	Jersey guys, they've got their heads on straight.
	Just got to remind them where it is from time to time.
	William Owen, Sir Doug, floating around in the military.
	I'd like to thank you guys for the great shows.
	I have one complaint.
	My karma didn't work.
	It took an extra week getting back from Afghanistan, which I didn't get to spend with my wife as she used her leave days.
	Oh, crap.
	They saw this.
	They saw the computer and said, hey, look at this.
	Yeah.
	Hey, let's...
	This Doug guy.
	This is Sir Williams.
	He's going to meet up with his wife.
	You can see.
	Look here on the computer.
	And what they do then?
	You know what happens?
	Screw him!
	You know what happens to him, man?
	You can wait a week.
	You know what happens then?
	They do porn pop-ups.
	Porn.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's like all of a sudden you get all kinds of porn advertising when they do that to you.
	Which I didn't get to spend with my wife if she used her leave.
	We had to stay in Manas, a military version of Purgatory.
	The only reason I can think of is that my name was incorrectly spelled as Onus, O-W-N-E-S. Can I do that?
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I'm an a-hole.
	So perhaps it went to the wrong person.
	Yeah, probably.
	Coincidentally, this is what my wife sings instead of Mrs.
	Jones in Billy Paul's Me and Mrs.
	Jones.
	I don't understand the sentence, but I, Sir Doug, once called a sand sailor, which apparently the Navy is a term in the Navy, people called Navy guys, request a human resource creation karma as well as a sight unseen house buying karma.
	May I ask, time permitting, will Griggs from Freedom in Our Time...
	Works on your same value for value principle documenting the rising police state and needs support.
	Check him out and support.
	Griggs.
	Okay.
	I guess our time is a podcast.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	And then he's got some ring sizes.
	All right.
	So first of all, first of all, I feel very bad about this, so I'm going to give you both some extra karma that's coming, and I will sing...
	Me and Mrs.
	Mrs.
	Owens.
	Mrs.
	Owens.
	Mrs.
	Owens.
	You've got karma.
	There you go.
	I'm so sorry.
	We'll do it properly this time.
	But he already is a...
	He already is a...
	Oh, he already is a knight.
	Yeah, Sir Doug, of course, he already is a knight.
	All right, cool.
	And now we've got...
	Do we have his wife for the birthday?
	Double check, double check, double check.
	No.
	No.
	Jennifer.
	Jennifer.
	Let's see.
	No, or do we...
	Where does it say that in there?
	I didn't see it.
	It says, please wish my wife Ariel a happy birthday.
	Oh, there it is at the end.
	Yeah, okay.
	Well, she's on now.
	Well, she is now.
	Well, we caught it.
	Okay.
	Because we have...
	This is the first time that Jennifer is doing the...
	Jessie.
	Jennifer.
	Jessie.
	Jesse's doing the show notes.
	Well, actually, JC is training her because he's going to be at some hack fest or something next week.
	I like Jesse already.
	A hackathon.
	I like Jesse already.
	That's the future Mrs.
	Buzzkill Jr.?
	That's what everyone assumes.
	It's what they say.
	Right.
	Foolish kids.
	I like her.
	Stupid kids.
	I like her already because she has a nicer font.
	Did you notice that?
	No.
	She's got a nicer font in a spreadsheet.
	I like her.
	Now we go to associate executive producers.
	We've got three, including Melody Mann, who is parts unknown.
	Alf Morgan.
	Alf Morgan.
	This is a call-out for Jim Mann's birthday tomorrow.
	We'll probably celebrate with a lovely mac and cheese, but since we listen to the best podcast in the universe, we won't drink the Kool-Aid.
	Adam, could you please do your hilarious German accent?
	It cracks Jim up.
	Do it now or when I congratulate him?
	You'll just do it when you feel like it.
	Yeah.
	I'll do the German thing when I congratulate.
	Okay.
	Let me make a note.
	Note.
	German accent.
	Okay.
	Stephen Vonderhaave.
	Sir Stephen, to you and me, in Bellhaven, North Carolina, 28495.
	Interesting numbers today.
	I think we have a note from him, which I'll dig in.
	You're really, you know, today you're really crappy.
	Am I? Yeah.
	Why?
	You're like in and out.
	Oh, you're talking about the connection.
	Yeah.
	No, no, no.
	I would never say that to you just like that, honey.
	I would never say that.
	You want to reconnect?
	Yeah, I want to.
	Call me back.
	Call me back, will you?
	Suck.
	Meanwhile, I'll look up Stephen van der Haaf's message, which I have right here.
	I got Stephen's note.
	In the morning, sending you some cash in lieu of blankets and water.
	Sorry for not donating as often, but with the tax increases since January 1st, over $100 have vanished from my paycheck and put it in the government coffers.
	We'll strive to continue to just get by and whatever extra dollars I have on hand will be sent to you.
	And it looks like he will be a count today.
	Are you with me, John?
	Yeah, you know, I just witnessed what you were always talking about.
	Helium?
	No, no, no.
	The helium is some...
	That's an anomaly we haven't had for a while.
	No, where you started off sounding like you're an AM radio disc jockey.
	Which I am.
	And it ratcheted.
	It went up a little better, a little better, and now you're clear as a bell.
	Yeah, well, but I am an AM disc jockey.
	Yeah, well, that's the irony.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Was Vanderhoff the one who wants to be the Count?
	Yeah, he wants to be the Count de Monet.
	Right.
	And as we all groaned at dinner last night, we said, well, it was bound to happen sooner or later.
	Sooner, better than later.
	So he's going to be the Count de Monet.
	Right.
	Count the money.
	Would someone in our chat room please just go in and just kick a whole bunch of a-holes out?
	Just kick them out.
	Just kick them out.
	Be more like Twit.
	Be more like Leo.
	Kick them out.
	Kick, kick, kick.
	John Hui Fu from Singapore, 22044.
	Thanks for the excellent show and he needs some karma.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Come on your way.
	You've got karma.
	You've got karma.
	And that will be our executive and associate executive producers for show 509.
	Go to Dvorak.org slash NA. Sorry.
	What?
	No, I said sorry.
	I have things to say.
	I'm sorry.
	ChannelDvorak.com's NA No Agenda Show has a button, and so does NoAgendaNation.com.
	And we have been very light on Sundays, and we'd appreciate anybody who helps us out in the next couple of days.
	And a special thanks to all of our artists, again, coming in with fantastic art at NoAgendaArtGenerator.com.
	Sir Paul Couture has been working diligently to get people cleared to post on the site.
	Because, of course, it's one of those No Agenda sites, so we'll know it gets hammered with spam.
	All of our sites, by the way, just get hammered.
	Whether it's DDoS or ChinaBots, we get hammered.
	It's part of being successful, I guess.
	And, of course, the emails don't show up.
	But he's trying to do what he can.
	Special thanks to Melissa Schultz-Jones for the artwork on episode 508.
	A couple of PR mentions.
	I have my new box.
	Did you get the box, John?
	I got the No Agenda CDs are out, the new one.
	No, I haven't got that yet.
	I do want to mention that I don't know what the value is, but I forgot to put the name down of the jerky company.
	In Michigan that sent me some cheese and beef jerky.
	Oh, I didn't get any cheese.
	And the cheese, I guess, was for mac and cheese.
	It had a mac and cheese style taste.
	So you can go to noagendacd.com and you can download the digital copies along with the artwork.
	Nice artwork, by the way.
	As we requested, no date.
	Don't say like this is the March update or anything.
	It just says, free, take one.
	It has mac and cheese on it.
	It has hookers with bitcoin.
	And has, what is that?
	Hookers with bitcoin.
	Take the red pill.
	Noagendashow.com.
	Really good.
	Really appreciate that.
	Miss Mickey loves that.
	She just takes a stack of them and is handing them out everywhere.
	She has no shame.
	Like, I'm going to the dentist for my cleaning.
	I'm taking some CDs.
	Awesome.
	And this weekend...
	Why should you have...
	There's nothing to be ashamed about handing out discs.
	No, no.
	In fact, you're giving people free...
	Free stuff.
	You give them free stuff, and they can listen to the disc, and then they have a disc holder as a bonus.
	Or a coaster.
	Either way.
	It's great.
	Andrew Gardner, who is the No Agenda Racing Team, will be racing this weekend.
	He'll be racing New Jersey Motorsports Park.
	If anyone's in the area, it'll be good to hear a few in the mornings while he's out on the track with the new Faster Bike.
	He is extremely strapped for cash right now, but he loves some karma for a good race weekend.
	Of course, he's always propagating the formula.
	And it's best when he crashes, because we're also on the bottom of the bike, so you really see it then.
	We don't want you to crash, but we want him to win.
	Also, when he does a wheelie is when you can see it really well.
	The wheelie works, and also in a full turning mode, where you're leaned way over and your knee is bouncing off the asphalt.
	Yeah, when you're rubbing the guard.
	Yeah, of course.
	All right, so please, as John said, Sundays are very slow for us, but we're still there.
	We're still working for you.
	We're still dissecting everything and doing what you expect us to do here on the podcast.
	And, of course, we always have one thing everyone should go out and do, and that is...
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	New.
	World.
	Order.
	Shut up.
	And I almost forgot to say in the morning to you, John C.
	In the morning to you, Adam Curry.
	In the morning to all ships at sea, boots on the ground, feet in the water, subs in the air, and all the knights and dames out there.
	Yes, indeed.
	And I'm not saying in the morning to the chat room, because it's douche day.
	They're acting like the douches.
	It's douche day in the chat room.
	God knows.
	God knows what's going on.
	Can we do a little break here and talk a little bit about the EU? Oh, please.
	Because we've got to deconstruct some stuff going on with the Boston Bombers.
	Well, hold on a second.
	The hero.
	There we go.
	Oh, my God.
	Or maybe we need to do this one.
	Euro!
	I've forgotten about that one.
	That's a good one.
	There you go.
	Oh, by the way, before we go into anything, I have to say, I have a problem.
	I've got to resolve it.
	Oh, can I help?
	I have...
	You see, there's a musical song on here.
	The...
	This song here, Frankie Avalon's Dee Dee Dina.
	Yes.
	And here's what's happened.
	But this started about two weeks ago.
	I'd either wake up in the morning or I'd start to hear this song in my head.
	Not like I'm hearing it.
	I just started.
	It's one of those things.
	You keep hearing the tune you can't get out of your brain.
	Yes.
	And I thought that about, I don't know, five or six days ago, it disappeared.
	And then it came back again today.
	I don't know if they're beaming at me or what the deal is.
	It's a song from the 50s, and it's a stupid song.
	Wait a minute, wait a minute.
	So you're now going to do the courtesy of putting this stupid song in everyone else's head?
	Is that the idea?
	I just want to know if anyone else has, will ever, if this is some recurring...
	I don't know why it even showed up in my brain.
	I do.
	You guessed it right, brother.
	Yeah.
	That's right.
	Oh, my God. my God.
	Your brain is mush.
	This is what you wake up singing?
	In your head?
	Sorry.
	I think I mentioned this.
	Sometime midway, no actually I remember exactly where it was.
	We were in Moab in Utah on the last Hot Pockets tour.
	This started happening to me.
	I've never had this in my life where I couldn't get stuff out of it.
	What it started with was this.
	And I'm not quite sure why, but I'd be getting the trailer unhitched or whatever.
	And I'd have to stop and take a deep breath.
	Or here's what I'd usually do if you have a song stuck in your head.
	And by the way, it happens every day to me now.
	Every day I wake up with a song in my head.
	Every single day.
	It's not this.
	I love this reason.
	You want to hear the song that I woke up with this morning?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Right on!
	What's the matter, y'all?
	That's what I woke up with.
	How can you even have that song in your head?
	There's no hook.
	Well, the hook is cocaine running around my brain.
	But I had that in my head because of Boston.
	I'm not getting that connection, because I can't understand the lyrics of the song, but that's just me.
	Okay, so it's, how do you spell New York, Jim?
	And the guy goes, N-E-W-Y-O-R-K. He says, no man, no Jim, I tell you how you spell New York, man.
	A knife, a fork, a bottle, and a cork.
	That's the way you spell New York, right on.
	See, that's Dillinger cocaine around my brain.
	And the reason why is because we had this Danny...
	Danny the secret China man, who I think is the same guy who was Syrian as Danny, now being interviewed as the guy who the extremists carjacked.
	Did you see this?
	They've interviewed him now.
	Does that make any sense when he wanted to really pretty much remain anonymous and be called Danny?
	Well, they've interviewed...
	This is the new journalism.
	The way you do it is you get the silhouette, and then you turn a vocoder on his voice.
	So now everything is like...
	Well, I have proof that this actually happened.
	I'm a whistleblower, and I'm doing the interview now.
	So this is the new journalism.
	And so the reason why this was stuck in my head...
	Here, we can play it.
	You want to listen to a little bit of this interview with Danny?
	Yeah, play a little bit.
	This is CBS News, the Tiffany Network, who now gets someone, a silhouette who...
	Talks like this.
	And that is now your witness.
	Because, of course, everyone knows you have to protect the guy who was carjacked.
	Why?
	I don't know.
	Good evening.
	You're about to hear for the first time from a man who got caught up in the terror in Boston two weeks ago and helped bring it to an end.
	An immigrant from China.
	He was carjacked by the suspects, but he escaped and tipped off the police.
	He worries even now for his safety, so we concealed his identity and altered his voice.
	Why is he afraid for his safety?
	This is what I don't understand.
	This sounds bogative.
	Why do you think he's afraid for his safety?
	Why?
	I have no idea.
	I mean, I'm asking.
	I really don't understand.
	I don't know why he's afraid of his safety.
	I mean, people, it just makes zero sense.
	But let's see what he has to say.
	But he's going to have to testify at a certain point.
	He's going to have to say, yeah, they carjacked me.
	They took my car, my brand new 2013 Mercedes SUV. I have a technology company.
	I am a China man.
	John Miller has the interview.
	This 26-year-old Chinese entrepreneur, who calls himself Danny, had just pulled over in his new Mercedes on this Boston street to send a text message when a man...
	I think the guy's smuggling horse or something.
	He's not an entrepreneur.
	He's a drug dealer.
	Don't close Mercedes, if I'm not mistaken, lock when you put it in drive and start driving.
	Not the 2013 model, it doesn't.
	Yeah, I'll bet you 10 bucks it does.
	Dude, I bought Mickey a car from 2005 that has that.
	It's a Ford.
	Please.
	Jumped in.
	I swear he's just a rubbery, you know.
	A rubbery.
	So you can't jump in a Mercedes.
	No.
	You can't jump in the backseat of Mercedes.
	It's on the street.
	It's locked.
	Are you already ruining the whole interview?
	Just because, you know, it can't happen that way.
	He took out his gun, pointed to me, said to me, like, you know, I'm serious.
	Why does he have a German accent?
	What is the point?
	Let's listen to that again.
	Hold on a second.
	To the street to send a text message when a man jumped in.
	Wait a minute, wait a minute.
	He stopped?
	Let me check.
	The guy just jumped in in the locked Mercedes.
	This Boston street to send a text message when a man jumped in.
	I thought it was just a robbery, you know.
	Robbery.
	So, but he took out his gun, pointed to me, said to me like, you know, I'm serious.
	Don't be stupid.
	But Danny quickly realized this was more than just a robbery.
	He asked me a question, like, do you know the Boston explosion on Monday?
	I said, yes.
	And then, you know, I did that, and I just killed a policeman in Cambridge.
	The gunman was Tamerlan Cernaya.
	And this is exactly the guy.
	He jumped into the locked Mercedes.
	And said, hey, you know the Boston bombing?
	I did that and I killed some cops too.
	He and his younger brother, Johar, loaded their remaining bombs into Danny's car.
	The two men spoke to each other.
	Pop the trunk, will you, Danny?
	I gotta load some bombs in your car.
	So are they lugging these bombs around?
	And this is like the next night they've been lugging these bombs over the place?
	In no agenda shopping bags, I think.
	Bag 33.
	Coming out soon.
	Yes, they had the four elbow pipe bombs and a pressure cooker.
	In Russian.
	Do you understand any of the words in their conversation?
	I only heard one word.
	It's Manhattan.
	So this is why I woke up with it.
	Because they're talking in Russian.
	This guy's Chinese.
	And apparently he heard them say Manhattan.
	Which, of course, no one says Manhattan.
	No one says, I'm going to New York City.
	You don't say I'm going to Manhattan.
	Nobody says Manhattan.
	Manhattanites don't say Manhattan.
	It's the city.
	So this is lies!
	Manhattan.
	Yeah.
	Did it seem like they were going there?
	Yeah, it seemed like they were going to New York.
	Because he asked me a lot of questions.
	En route to a gas station, Danny's phone rang.
	It was his roommate who wondered why he wasn't home.
	Tamerlan.
	Yeah, okay.
	His roommate.
	That's a gay Chinese entrepreneur now.
	Pulled the gun out.
	If you don't want me to pick up the phone, I want to pick it up.
	I want to say anything.
	So, he told me that you have to answer his phone, but if you say any single word in Chinese, I will kill you right now.
	Sounds like a Chinese guy.
	He is Chinese.
	So when your roommate hears you speaking in English, does he answer in English?
	He answered in Chinese.
	Saying what?
	He was like...
	Why?
	Why are you speaking English?
	Are you okay?
	Why are you speaking English?
	Are you okay?
	Everything okay?
	Or do you have a gun to your head, maybe?
	By Russians who are going to Manhattan, I think, maybe?
	Are you okay, hey?
	Okay.
	And I just told him, I'm going to sleep over in some of my friends' prayers tonight.
	What happens then?
	So after I honked the phone, Tamlin was very happy.
	I said, good job, good boy.
	Good job, good boy.
	So at some point, you start thinking, I need...
	And why does he call him Tamlin at that point?
	Doesn't he say the guy or the hijacker or the carjacker or the killer?
	He says, Tamlin was happy.
	He said, good job, good boy.
	That's weird.
	I was looking at my list of stuff, and I was listening to that clip at the same time.
	Why did he call his roommate?
	No, his roommate called him because he was worried he wasn't home.
	Why didn't he just put the voicemail?
	Because he said, you want me to answer the phone?
	The guy said, yeah, you answer the phone, but if you're talking Chinese, I'll blow your brains out.
	It doesn't sound right.
	John, the whole thing is bogus.
	It gets even worse.
	Exit strategy here.
	Yeah.
	I need to figure out a way to save myself.
	I have a lot of things to do.
	I have to unlock the door.
	I have to unfasten my seatbelt.
	See, he's thinking next.
	Now, of course, the door is locked.
	He says, to get out, I have to unlock the door, unfasten my seatbelt, because the doors lock automatically when you're driving.
	At the gas station, Johar left the car to pay.
	Tamerlan was fiddling with the GPS. I thought they shot up the gas station.
	Isn't that how they found him?
	He was, like, shooting up the gas station?
	No, no.
	I never heard that before.
	And he knew this might be his last chance.
	How do you do that in your head?
	Do you say, one, two, three?
	Ah!
	Do you say, one, two, three, John?
	What do you think?
	Do you say, one, two, three?
	No.
	What do you say?
	I would point at the other...
	I don't know how you get out of a car.
	You say, one, two, three, you unlock car, pull handle, and fasten sipa.
	First, you have to unlock the car, which is a little...
	Well, I guess you'd let the other guy, so the car's unlocked.
	Give him the break on that.
	No, he said you have to unlock the car.
	It's bullcrap.
	You pull the handle, it opens.
	I mean, cars...
	No, no, that's not always true.
	In a Mercedes...
	You pull the handle, the door is unlocked.
	He's driving.
	Oh, no, I thought you were talking about, well, he's in the gas station.
	No, he's talking about he has to get out.
	No, the Tomilar, Jokar Tomilar, whatever, he's out of it.
	He went to pay.
	The other guy's still in the car.
	Yeah, but you said he's still driving, but they stopped at the gas station.
	Yes.
	Joker got out.
	Lamar.
	He unlocked the door so Joker could get out.
	He just said, I'm thinking I have to unlock door, undo seatbelt, pull hand door.
	It has to have been...
	Pull hand door.
	But listen, he doesn't count to three.
	Uh-uh.
	Our Chinese friend is very smart.
	I was counting.
	I was counting.
	I was one, two, three, four.
	Ah, one, two, three, four.
	Okay.
	Strategy.
	This is ancient art of Chinese strategy.
	I just do it.
	Do it.
	One, two, three, four.
	I have fear.
	Tamron was trying to grab me.
	So as you're going, he's reaching out.
	Yeah.
	And now you're running.
	I was running.
	I was just, as long as possible that I can.
	He ran across the street, and the guy didn't shoot him or anything.
	You know, he's shooting cops, he's blowing up people, but he didn't shoot him.
	They were, they were in the park.
	He ran across the street to this station, and pleaded with the clerk to call 911.
	The contract had occurred at Richard Schell, 1001 Cambridge Street.
	The, uh, victim fled the car at the mobile on the I love that, how they put that in as proof.
	You know, like that happened.
	But they changed the story because before he ran in and hid in the closet.
	Yeah, no, no, hello?
	Hello?
	Why are you buzz-killing everything?
	You're not allowed to do this.
	You can't break the story like that.
	This is changing it.
	This is the real guy, Donnie.
	That's his real name.
	And he kind of, one, two, three, four.
	You hadn't escaped.
	Called 911 and put police on the trail of these bombers.
	That bad things would have happened.
	I mean, you are a hero in this story.
	A hero!
	I don't think I'm a hero, you know, because what I was trying to do was just trying to save myself.
	Yeah, I did something, probably did something good.
	And I think the police, they are the hero.
	They exchanged the gunfiles with those bad guys.
	I think they are the heroes.
	Now, listen to how this report ends up.
	This is really, to me, it was a big, like, wink-wink, nudge-nudge, this is all bullcrap, guys.
	So Danny felt lucky to get out of this alive and in one piece.
	His car, the 2013 Mercedes SUV, was not so lucky, Scott.
	Police used its GPS to track it to where they cornered them.
	In the shootout, it sustained 32 bullet holes.
	So the Daimler Leasing Company says a month and a half into the deal, Danny's car is a total loss.
	And you know what?
	He's okay with that.
	Yeah.
	Really?
	He's okay with that.
	Some people will do anything to get out of a lease, won't they?
	It's crazy.
	He's okay with that.
	They should have said 33 bullet holes, though.
	That was a little disappointing.
	So there you go.
	That's the new journalism, people, is you get a guy, and then you throw in some cop sounds.
	We got a guy over at the mobile station.
	So what's the license plate on your new car, that one you just bought?
	The license plate?
	You want the real license plate?
	Just off the top of your head, what is it?
	BYC1703. I know it's like 7103, something like that.
	Why?
	Because I'm wondering how they knew where the GPS was on this car.
	They had full crap.
	They have no idea.
	They reverse-tracked the GPS. Sure.
	Sure they did.
	Yeah.
	And the only reason I know the plates is because I had to put them on.
	They came in the mail yesterday.
	I can never remember my plates.
	No, it's 7301.
	Yeah, it's BYC 7301.
	Okay, you can come shoot me if you want.
	Go ahead.
	No, they're just going to track you.
	I'll be ready for you.
	Where is he going now?
	Well, it's Mickey's car.
	Where is she going now?
	What?
	Where is she going there?
	Well, that's weird.
	It's weird.
	He's going to some weird place.
	Why is he getting his nails done?
	He must be a faggot.
	Oh, wait a minute.
	It says here in the intel sheet he's bi-curious.
	Which, by the way, I'm upset.
	How come the president doesn't come back and restart news conferences when I come out as bi-curious?
	No, no, no.
	When some basketball player has to say he's gay, then it's like a big deal.
	What is going on with the world?
	What kind of distraction is this?
	Am I missing something here?
	Who gives a crap?
	That's all a plot to get Obama to admit it.
	To get Obama what?
	To admit he's gay.
	Listen to this.
	This is Spike Lee and Anderson Pooper.
	There are known gay players playing professional sports.
	And I think that what Jason Collins did is give them maybe the same courage for them to do the same thing.
	So I would say in the coming next few months, Jason Collins will not be the only one.
	We'll step forward and say, you know, how he's living.
	The tide of history is moving forward.
	He says, yeah, half the basketball players are gay.
	So he comes out and he says, I'll admit it.
	So he says, so I look around and nobody's doing anything, so I admit it.
	And so then he says, and he looks around again, and he says, still nobody wants to come out.
	That's funny.
	He felt like an idiot.
	You know, he has a twin brother who was also a ball player.
	Yeah, I didn't know this.
	Jason has a brother, Jaron, who wasn't as successful.
	And I thought maybe it's like the ball...
	Jason played for the Celtics.
	He's like a free agent.
	He's like...
	No one cares about him.
	He's not like a star player.
	And who cares?
	Why is this a big deal?
	Why do we all care all of a sudden?
	It's so courageous, and the tide of history is moving forward.
	What?
	The tide of history.
	Yeah, Anderson Cooper, who refused to come out.
	Took forever.
	And still kind of, you know, only because he was doing a talk show.
	He did that, and then the talk show failed.
	He's probably regretting it.
	It's like, I don't understand why we care.
	Well, let's get back to the topic of Boston since we do it.
	I'm sorry.
	You're right.
	I got a lot of Boston crap.
	Well, let me go.
	I wanted to do Europe, but we'll do Europe after Boston.
	Oh, you want to do Europe?
	No, we can do Europe.
	No, I don't want to.
	I want to stay on this thread.
	Okay.
	Here's the one that got me the most.
	You know, the FBI. I was looking for the clip.
	I couldn't find it, but I'll...
	Maybe I have it.
	No, it's a clip from a couple weeks ago that I had from the whistleblower whose first advice to anybody who's going to become a whistleblower is don't talk to the FBI. Yeah, right.
	Because they just set you up because it's easier on them to find.
	So they got the, because it looks good on their numbers.
	So they got these three, what somebody aptly described as knuckleheads who ditched the bag.
	And here's the clip I have here, students and their visa moment clip.
	And this is the one I didn't realize.
	This is the only report I heard where they actually explained the visa violation, which was just bogus.
	Now, this is the kids who have been arrested, these three?
	Yeah, the three kids who have been arrested were all students at Dartmouth, and they had apparently friends with the Joker, and they went to his place because he told them to go there and take whatever they wanted, which, who knows, that could have been code, but we don't know.
	In other cases, they grabbed his laptop and his backpack, which had, supposedly, the backpack had a bunch of fireworks in it, which I don't know who carries a backpack with that, but anyway, that's the story.
	In the moments after these hearings end.
	Brian, let me just ask you quickly, I think it's just important as people are tuning in, just to reset exactly how authorities were tipped off that these three, I don't want to say involved, but have information regarding after these bombs went off here on Boylston Street.
	We know they were taken in, they were questioned, there were some student visa issues, and then now facing federal charges.
	Take me back to the very beginning, if you will.
	Well, at the very beginning, Brooke, you know, they were rounded up on April 19th, which was the day that Jahar Sarnayev was captured.
	They were rounded up from their residence near the UMass Dartmouth campus in New Bedford.
	It was the two suspects, the first two suspects, the Kazakhstan students, and another person were rounded up.
	They were brought in for questioning.
	They were then released that night because of a lack of evidence.
	Taken into custody again over that weekend, either on the 20th or the 21st, and the two Kazakhstan students, D.S. Karabayev and Azamat Tazyakov, were arrested and charged with visa violations.
	They allegedly violated their student visas by not going to class.
	Now they have been held since that time and they had an immigration hearing even this morning after which they were detained.
	So we have always gotten the impression since they were taken into custody on those charges, the visa immigration charges, that investigators at the very least wanted to know more from these people.
	And now we know from this criminal complaint that again accuses them of conspiring to obstruct justice and making false statements That the initial statements that they gave to investigators, either on April 19th or over that subsequent weekend, just did not sit well with investigators for some reason.
	You know, I happen to know a lot about visas, actually.
	And because you don't go to class, that's not a violation.
	It's ridiculous.
	First they bring these guys in for questioning and then they get all freaked out and then they don't go to class.
	That's the way I saw it.
	Yeah, but even that's not a violation of your student visa.
	Not going to class is not a violation.
	No, it sounds bogus to me.
	Everything sounds bogus.
	Yeah, it is.
	But they were going to choose to pick him up because that's what they're going to do.
	And then they said for some reason, and when he said that, that's why I took this clip, That's when the Aaron Burnett clip that you have comes into play.
	What was the some reason?
	For some reason, well, maybe it's because they had to retroactively tap their phones, which apparently is going on all the time.
	And Tim, is there any way?
	Now, obviously it was a voicemail.
	They could try to get the phone companies to give that up at this point.
	But if it's not a voicemail, it's just a conversation.
	There's no way they actually can find out what happened, right?
	Unless she tells them.
	No, there is a way.
	We certainly have ways in national security investigations to find out exactly what was said in that conversation.
	It's not necessarily something that the FBI is going to want to present in court, but it may help lead the investigation and or lead the questioning of her.
	So somewhere it's being digitized or they can actually get that.
	Because people were saying, look, that wouldn't be possible.
	It's pretty incredible what you're saying.
	Welcome to America.
	All of that stuff is being captured as we speak, whether we know it or like it or not.
	Note to self, as Deb Farrick just said here.
	I had an idea.
	When I heard this, this is very interesting that Aaron Burnett doesn't realize that everything you do, all your conversations are all being dragnetted and sucked up and all stored and can totally be retrieved.
	But I was thinking...
	If I was the US government, I would turn this into a benefit.
	Imagine, John, if you and I, instead of doing the show like this, we just have a phone conversation, and then we call the FBI and say, okay, podcast it, and then it just sends it out, everyone's phone rings, and the podcast starts playing.
	I mean, you can make money that way.
	Of course people, but everyone wins.
	The phone companies win for air minutes, bandwidth.
	I mean, it's great.
	We don't have to do it.
	All we have to do is just talk.
	We can do it from anywhere we want.
	You know, just jack it into my podcaster box there, and you're good to go.
	No RSS problems.
	No internet crap.
	And people would pay for that.
	Build it into your monthly subscription.
	Hey, buy the new No Agenda iPhone.
	Comes with No Agenda built in.
	Come on, it's a great idea.
	So the guy is essentially saying, for anyone who didn't quite get the clip, that they, and we know this, they got a facility over in San Francisco.
	They're essentially routing all the phone calls, cell phone calls, and landline, I assume.
	Skype, this Skype call.
	And the Skype calls.
	And they're routing them into a giant...
	Bucket.
	A bucket of calls.
	Everybody's done.
	Now, the thing with me, and I think it's probably coded, the files are coded in such a way that there's a number, I'm guessing, I have no idea how to do it.
	I bet it's salted hash.
	So they have, like, your phone number.
	The first they find out what your number is, and they want to retrieve all your calls for the last, let's say, 30 days.
	Years, yeah.
	Well, they could do it, but they're going to be selected because it's a reverse.
	It's essentially a reverse.
	I think they're doing this.
	It's a reverse tap.
	So you're not...
	Because nobody's listening to these calls.
	They're just being stored.
	And so now they think you've done something, I've done something, these creeps have done something, or these knuckleheads, let's do it right, have done something.
	So they get an order from those secret courts that they have.
	Here's the number.
	We need the phone calls from these guys for the last three weeks or two weeks or the last week.
	And so they go into the database.
	They retroactively pull as though you're now being tapped in the past.
	You know, I'm so proud to be working with such an engineering genius.
	So they pull out the past three weeks of conversation from them.
	Okay, but you're missing it.
	That's not what they do.
	Then they're like, okay, what else is attached to it?
	Oh, look at this.
	He's got this show.
	Okay, let's go pull up the podcast.
	Oh, there's the Skype call.
	Oh, there's the emails.
	Oh, wait a minute.
	We can't get in because he's got his own server.
	Ah, crap.
	We can't get any Gmail.
	Oh, well, it doesn't matter.
	He's got a chat room.
	Ah, look at these assholes.
	Yeah.
	Let's pick up a couple of them.
	Yeah, well, that's...
	Oh, there is that element, which is not discussed, which is like, let's just, since we're just grabbing crap, the past, we can listen to the old kind of...
	Oh, you know, I mean, that's why I still think...
	But John, but John...
	Hello, John, John, Aaron Burnett said something very astute, which is exactly the way the American people should be thinking about this and about cameras everywhere.
	Plus, surveillance cameras have provided key information during the investigation.
	Should we just give up our privacy in this country?
	Because after all, if you're not doing anything bad, why do you care if they're watching you?
	Exactly.
	What's your problem?
	You're not doing anything bad.
	Why do you care?
	Well, she says, like I say, I did this on another show we talked about.
	Yeah, the Twitch show, put him in the bathroom.
	I have said, if you're going to do this, cameras, because everyone on that show seems to be really hot on cameras everywhere.
	Yeah.
	So I'm saying, okay, then you put the cameras, you want more cameras.
	Oh, maybe we need more cameras.
	They had cameras on those.
	I want a camera that shows me Lisa bouncing up and down on Leo's belly.
	That's the camera I want.
	You have to have cameras everywhere.
	You have to put the cameras in the bathrooms.
	Yes.
	Because that's where most of the criminal activity takes place.
	Put cameras in the bathrooms.
	Put cameras everywhere.
	That's right.
	And put a camera in your house.
	Yeah.
	I think there should be some people that are qualified.
	You look at their record or they're doing like a podcast and you don't like it.
	You don't like the podcast.
	They're not doing anything wrong, but you don't like the podcast because it says maybe call somebody a douchebag.
	Turn on the camera.
	Turn on his camera.
	Put a camera in their house.
	Turn it on.
	You could actually, I bet you within the next decade, there will be cameras...
	Put in houses by the courts in your house.
	But this is nothing new.
	Look at England.
	They put cameras in the trash bins.
	They put cameras in people's homes to see.
	Child Protective Services, by the way, are the ones that are going to do this.
	Because you might be abusing your child by telling it to shut up and go take out the trash.
	Hey, shut up and do your chores, you moron.
	Here's the thing about people that are, oh, we need more cameras.
	We have already too many.
	And, you know, you could be followed around quite easily.
	People always say, well, you're in the public.
	You're, you know, you're, so what?
	You could be seen by someone.
	Okay, let's put the cameras in the house.
	Yeah.
	And use the argument.
	I'm going to use this argument.
	I'm going to go with this one.
	Aaron's argument.
	Look, there's a camera in your house.
	But you're not doing anything wrong, so what difference does it make?
	Yeah, exactly.
	What's your problem?
	What's your problem?
	Are you plotting something?
	Are you making bombs in your house?
	What are you worried about?
	That's what this Google Glass is going to be great for.
	I think the government, just like in some countries, everyone got a gas mask.
	I think our government should do a deal with Google, another deal with Google, and give everyone Google Glass, And just walk around all day long wearing your glass and just videotaping everything.
	This is great.
	And you can get the poor man's version, which is essentially a GoPro strapped to your head with Velcro.
	Because that's really what it is.
	I mean, it's a GoPro for twice the money with half the resolution.
	Boom!
	Good job, Google.
	Nice work, boys.
	I have three clips from Aminemapour.
	She brings in Eric Schmidt.
	Wait a minute.
	The Google guy?
	Play the clip, Amanpour CNN brings in Schmidt.
	As the Boston investigation deepens, an important question is raised.
	Is the internet a terrorist's most dangerous weapon?
	Despite today's arrest, the brothers Sanaev seem to have planned the attacks themselves without a support organization, although there are continuing investigations into actually whether there was one back in Russia.
	The younger surviving brother has reportedly told authorities that he and his older brother use the internet to learn how to build a bomb.
	The internet is a terrorist tool?
	Is it avoidable?
	Policeable?
	Preventable?
	I can think of no better person to ask than Eric Schmidt.
	You could have called Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak, I mean, lots of people, Molly Wood, I mean, lots of people.
	Chairman of Google, the internet titan, and forum for so much of our information sharing.
	Schmidt has just written a new book about the promises and the perils of this medium.
	It's called The New Digital Age, Reshaping the Future of Peoples, Nations, and Business.
	John, we have to write a book, okay?
	You and I have to write a book, and it's Be a Terrorist Online.
	Yeah.
	Now with free self-radicalization DVD. Jesus Christ.
	This is nuts.
	Okay, we got more of this?
	So she brings in Schmidt and another guy who you're going to love.
	Oh, wait.
	He's the ghost writer?
	He's the other writer, of course, because Schmidt really hasn't got time to write.
	But when you find out who he is, you're going to die.
	Play Amanpour and Schmidt.
	Is this two?
	Yeah, two.
	He joins me now with Jared Cohen, who is his co-author, and...
	And I looked this guy up.
	Yeah, I know.
	...who, as a former State Department advisor on digital diplomacy, is now what sounds like, also, now you have a fascinating new title, which...
	...is handler.
	...is director of Google Ideas.
	Gentlemen, thank you very much for joining me.
	I know...
	Stop this show.
	This is a new level.
	And if you donate $10,000 to No Agenda, you become the No Agenda director of ideas.
	And you get to come to my house.
	You are on book tour, you've talked a lot about a lot of aspects of your book, and it is all fascinating.
	But in light of what's happened, I really do need to ask you, is there any way for something as powerful as YouTube, as this whole Google empire, to actually police what's going on?
	You know, the day after the bombings, all we did was go online.
	Does she ever stop?
	Does she just ask one long question?
	She is a chatterbox.
	This interview, by the way, I only have this small clip.
	It was the worst.
	She is the worst interviewer.
	Is this book on Amazon?
	Amazon, Eric.
	I've got to read this book.
	This is too funny.
	Eric Schmidt.
	You know it's written by Cohen.
	We know that.
	It's got some State Department bull crap.
	Of course, but what is the name of the book?
	The New Digital Age?
	Is that what it's called?
	Yeah, that's it.
	Reshaping the Future of People...
	Nations and business.
	Did you look at the reviews yet?
	Were there all kinds of shill reviews in?
	Oh!
	First review.
	This is the most important and fascinating book yet written about how the digital age will affect our world.
	Wow.
	The shills are in, eh?
	Think that's a shill review?
	Yeah, I don't know, man.
	I'm not sure.
	I'm not sure.
	Let me listen to the rest of Anampur.
	We went to YouTube.
	We went to the, you know, Russian equivalent of Facebook.
	And we saw on YouTube, you know, a terrorist playlist.
	It said that.
	So in this particular case, we saw an almost perfect collaboration between the police and citizenry that ultimately found these two people and perhaps some others.
	You had, over and over again, crowdsourcing people trying to figure out who these people were.
	You had a whole community on Reddit and others that eventually found the right people.
	And based on the story that you reported today, it looks to me like they got pretty spooked with that.
	When you've got a million people looking at you on a social network, you're going to be found.
	Oh, wait.
	Oh, brother.
	And of course, we have all this great crowdsourcing work, and we still have yet to see the video of them actually doing it.
	Do you have that on YouTube?
	Do you have the video of them actually putting that in?
	Yeah, maybe those Japanese guys who do the animations.
	All right.
	Do you have another one?
	Because I got some Obama stuff that's important.
	Yeah, no, I got it.
	This is the gem.
	This is the gem?
	This is kind of a meta gem.
	This is the one that says Jared from State.
	A meta gem.
	Yeah, and here's why.
	In fact, if I had just a little more time this morning, I probably would have tried to dig up that clip with the idiot CTO, you know, those two guys who talked about talking in COBOL. Skip Logic?
	Skip Logic.
	Vivek Kundra.
	Yeah, Vivek Kundra.
	Well, do you want me to find him real quick?
	I can probably find him.
	You can play that.
	That would be a nice prelude because when you hear Jared Cohen, you realize it's a style because Cohen has this thing and you listen to it and it's like the same kind of total horse crap that Vivek Kundra had with his talking and cobalt and skip logic.
	Well, hold on.
	Just give me one second to see if I can actually find it.
	That would be kind of cool.
	It is a very funny clip.
	It was the...
	I don't know if I can find it that quick.
	Now we're talking about how many years ago?
	Four?
	Four years ago, roughly?
	Yeah.
	It was during the first Obama term, so it was probably 2008.
	Nine?
	Nine.
	Yeah.
	Don't worry about it.
	Everyone has heard it.
	We'll play it again.
	We'll see if we can find it.
	So here's Jared, who sounds like Vivek Kundrych is blabbling on about who knows what.
	You were in the State Department.
	You had to deal with this kind of stuff.
	Well, I think our conclusion about terrorism in the future is that, you know, future terrorists are going to have to opt into technology if they want to be relevant.
	So by them using social media, by them accessing the internet with tremendous frequency, by putting their social networks online, the room for error goes up significantly.
	Any professional mistake, any social mistake, and they increase the likelihood that the whole plot comes unraveled.
	And then it becomes easy to get the SIM card and see who's working with them.
	It becomes easy to get...
	Not if you're on Verizon, it doesn't.
	Because they don't have SIM cards, a-hole.
	Jeez.
	Yeah, they gotta opt in.
	They gotta opt in.
	Why?
	Why do they have to be on the social networks to be relevant?
	What?
	Welcome to America, like Aaron said.
	No, it was a guy.
	The dude said that.
	Wow.
	I'm a little miffed that I can't find the Vivek Kundra stuff, because that stuff is pretty genius.
	So the president did a...
	Sticking with Austin, the president came out and did a little ditty.
	He did a press conference and said, this is in honor of the guy who's leaving, the White House Correspondents' president.
	Which made no sense to me, but okay.
	And he just answered...
	They were only in there for one term.
	One year, yeah.
	Yeah, so what?
	What would you do?
	You know it's dumb.
	So the president came out and he answered a whole bunch of questions.
	I thought his answer, this was not as rehearsed as usual.
	So there were some very...
	He's just feeling good.
	I mean, he doesn't give a crap, I guess.
	And words matter to me.
	So tell me what you think is weird about what he says here.
	The ability to detect a potential attack.
	Yeah.
	And we won't know that until that review is completed.
	We won't know that until the investigation of the actual crime is fully completed, and that's still ongoing.
	The crime is still ongoing.
	I mean, he did say that.
	Yeah, play that again.
	The crime is still ongoing.
	The crime is not done yet.
	We won't know that until the investigation of the actual crime is fully completed, and that's still ongoing.
	It's not completed yet.
	The crime is not completed yet, just so you know.
	I had a suspicion.
	Yes, now he is doing something that I feel is dangerous.
	There's a new word entering the lexicon.
	And the word is a new word for terrorists.
	Obviously, we're proud of the people of Boston, all the first responders and the medical personnel that helped save lives.
	What we also know is that the Russian intelligence services had alerted U.S. intelligence about terrorism.
	The older brother as well as the mother, indicating that they might be sympathizers to extremists.
	The FBI investigated that older brother.
	It's not as if the FBI did nothing.
	They not only investigated the older brother, they interviewed the older brother.
	They concluded that there were no signs that he was engaging in extremist activity.
	Alright, so it's happening now a lot.
	He's talking about extremist activity, and they might be extremists.
	We're talking about extremism, and this is a dangerous term that is entering our lexicon.
	From the dictionary, extremist, one who advocates or resorts to measures beyond the norm, especially in politics.
	So that does not a bomber maketh in my book.
	Extremism, an ideology or political act far outside the perceived political center of a society.
	But it doesn't...
	Extremism is a new word.
	I mean, you could say that we're extremists.
	That would put us in that category because of the way we answered the quiz at KQED. Now, what's even crazier...
	And by the way, it also puts everybody who's been marginalized in podcast radio into the same bag because they're trying to make Jones the poster boy for extremism.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Extremists.
	So it's no longer terrorists, but extremists.
	And what's very scary, and I'm blown away that no one is...
	I mean, the president stood there and said this...
	That extremism is on the rise in America and it's our own fault because of largely his current policies.
	And he's saying it like it's just, hey, this is what it is, bitches!
	But this is hard stuff.
	And I've said it for quite some time.
	He's said it for quite some time now, okay?
	What he's about to say, it should not come as a surprise to you people.
	That...
	Because of the pressure that we put on Al-Qaeda core.
	Al-Qaeda core.
	Because of the pressure that we put on these networks that are well financed and more sophisticated and can engage in and project transnational threats against the United States.
	One of the dangers that we now face are self-radicalized individuals.
	What?
	Who are already here in the United States.
	Are you insane?
	Well, then stop doing what you're doing!
	Immediately!
	I mean, I'm sorry, but this blows me away, John.
	Because of our pressure on Al-Qaeda core...
	Because of that, because we're bombing people in Yemen, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraqistan, Papistan, extremists are self-radicalizing here in the United States.
	And he's been saying this for quite a while now.
	This is insane.
	This needs to stop immediately.
	We should have Prime Minister questions or Queen's throne talk or whatever.
	Whatever he wants to hear, this has to stop.
	In some cases may not be part of any kind of network.
	And not even part of a network, just people going like, I hate you!
	But because of whatever warped, twisted ideas they may have...
	Like conspiracy theories.
	...may decide to carry out an attack.
	And those are in some ways more difficult to prevent.
	And so what I've...
	Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	I think we need to pour some money on the problem.
	...done for months now is to indicate to our entire counterterrorism team what more can we do...
	On that threat that is looming on the horizon, are there more things that we can do, whether it's engaging with communities where there's a potential for self-radicalization of this sort?
	Is there work that can be done?
	I need t-shirts.
	I just want a t-shirt that says, self-radicalized and proud of it.
	And then I want a t-shirt for Mickey that says, I'm with self-radicalized and an arrow.
	And then on the back, extremist.
	This is nuts.
	This is completely, completely crazy.
	And what's going to happen, here's the prediction.
	Put this in your book.
	My friends, my dinner party friends will have me arrested.
	They love me, but they're going to have me arrested.
	Oh yeah, no, it's for your own good.
	It's clearly for my own good.
	Because, you know, it's...
	Oh, I forgot to tell you.
	At one point, Mickey said, you know, she was talking about the gun in her glove compartment.
	She said, now all I have to do is work on my anger management issues.
	That was...
	Good line.
	I was pushing it a little bit, but I thought she was brave for saying it.
	That was cute and very funny.
	Oh, my wife.
	I thought she got a laugh.
	She did for me.
	I'm like, holy crap.
	At a certain point, both women said, whatever, Mickey's drinking, we'd like some of that, please.
	Because, yeah, we need to catch up.
	Adam's gonna read his email.
	On the No Agenda Show.
	This is a big hit, John.
	This email segment is a big, big hit.
	People really like it.
	It should be.
	So I thought we'd read just a few emails before we go thank some of our producers, and of course there's always tons more to do.
	So we were talking about BuzzFeed.
	Adam, my brother, works for BuzzFeed.
	He writes about music and has done for many years now.
	I won't mention his name because I'm not sure if that's appropriate in this case.
	But he said, I want to give you the inside scoop on BuzzFeed.
	We were trying to figure out what this thing is.
	Buzzfeed offers very high-paying jobs with significantly above-average benefits and a relaxed work environment.
	Remember, this is the place that doesn't want to hire anyone who's a hater.
	No haters.
	They built their name by sniping writers from all over.
	My brother came from Rolling Stone along with a large contingent of their staff.
	Others came from Spin, New York Times, you name it.
	They offered more money and a better work environment in an effort to skim the top talent from the industry.
	Whether or not it worked, there's another story that I don't want to get into since it's largely irrelevant.
	Well, see, I don't think it's irrelevant.
	I think that this is, you know, if you look, this is another Silicon Valley venture-backed thing where they're all like, you know what, let's start a newspaper.
	And all we need is money and we can do great reporting.
	And then pretty soon it turns into NASCAR. It's like, oh, well, we have no money coming in and we need some ads.
	And then before you know it, you've got Martha Stewart pretending that she's on Match.com.
	Did you see this?
	Yeah, it's hilarious.
	Yeah, that's right, Martha Stewart.
	It was not a payoff at all.
	She just decided all of a sudden that she wanted to be on it.
	Yeah, with a pseudonym, so you might get lucky.
	Or unlucky.
	Vic Thompson writes, Adam, lately you've been looking for a description for no agenda.
	This is based upon our conversation about how we help people.
	Understand what it is.
	Sorry, but I can't help you with that.
	And there is no way that I would help fund you, even though I have been downloading No Agenda for about a year now.
	If you disappear tomorrow, I would not give a rat's ass.
	Why?
	Well, Adam, you're a pain to listen to.
	Sure, the facts may be relevant and even accurate, but your over-laughing and random loud protestations make me cringe, and I wonder if this is a compensation for something smaller.
	The very poor conversion of some words, e.g.
	citizens, do not support the extremely intelligent examinations of which you are obviously capable, so I mainly use no agenda for sleep assistance!
	In all, you seem to be relatively well supported, so you don't need me anyway.
	So why do I bother at all?
	Because you have some content of interest, and it's long enough that I can usually drop off to sleep at some point.
	Thank you.
	Give a douchebag that guy.
	Yeah, I'll give that guy a douchebag.
	Douchebag!
	Douchebag letter.
	And this one I really, this one is very nice.
	This is from Blair Slavin, Los Angeles, California.
	Came in this morning.
	Dear Adam, I have found the perfect show for you to listen to and learn how to properly utilize a soundboard.
	I'm like, wow, I've been in radio for 35 years, whatever, and the soundboard is the thing that we have all of these jingles lined up for.
	It says, please listen to this.
	This show enhances and makes the show fun instead of annoying and tired like some lowbrow morning zoo style.
	Which is what we do.
	So I'm like, you know, I'm always willing to learn.
	Right?
	I mean, I'm not...
	Oh, that's your hallmark.
	I'm not above saying, okay, that's my hallmark.
	Yes.
	I want self-radicalized and willing to learn on my t-shirt.
	So I'm like, why don't I go listen to this show?
	Because this guy clearly has some tips.
	Would you like to hear the show that was pointed out as the perfect way to do it?
	To do a soundboard, yeah.
	Coming up on a spatially inconsistent episode of the Morning Stream.
	Movies with twin plots are weird.
	Free comic book day just got a whole lot more free-ish.
	The Webbys.
	Seems like it's enough for us anymore.
	Women.
	That's so sad the way you said it.
	Women are the ones that need to stop smoking.
	Bad advice from the famous.
	Hero movies are going to burst their bubble.
	Recommendals.
	Tom's Tech Time.
	More Kate Upton thoughts.
	Thank goodness.
	Glenn Beck's site made some sense today.
	And more on this episode of The Morning Stream.
	Pick out any three people.
	Take three glasses.
	And you're just about ready for this one.
	Pepsi Cola Half Quartz.
	A long...
	This is not edited.
	This is the actual show.
	...tall Pepsi value that pours three big servings...
	Now wait for it.
	...for three big thirsts.
	You see where so-called king-size colas run dry?
	Just about here.
	Pepsi half-courts keep right on pouring.
	The Mother F.
	The Morning Stream.
	Into daring rescue action.
	The Morning Stream.
	The Morning Stream. The Morning Stream.
	Good morning, everybody.
	Good morning.
	Boy, it'll teach me to dance.
	Wow, John.
	Do you know how to do it now?
	Is it just that over-modulated?
	Yeah, oh, the show's over-modulated and he's like yelling over the morning stream!
	And that's how I should be doing it.
	Okay, Blair.
	Blair Slavin.
	Hit yourself in the face right now.
	Hard.
	Thank you.
	It's unbelievable.
	People send me this.
	That's how you should use a sound.
	Yeah, that's how you should do it.
	Now, we're busy guys.
	We're recording.
	I mean, I usually have about 100 clips for each show.
	We only use maybe 10, 15.
	But you never know.
	So I'm recording.
	I've got stuff.
	I'm reading stuff.
	I'm looking at legislation.
	I'm marking up PDFs.
	And you're taking my time.
	I'm willing to learn.
	And you're sending this to me like, I have to watch this.
	Was it a video podcast?
	No.
	My God.
	No, it's a great...
	The Morning Stream.
	Morning Stream.
	Which is a P. Pun on taking a P. Yeah, which I think is so hilarious.
	So awesome.
	Gee, that's great.
	The show should never be a kind of a pun that is lewd.
	No.
	It's just not good.
	It's a bad form.
	Here's another...
	Here's a...
	Just as an aside...
	Oh, never mind.
	I'll do this later.
	Let's get...
	What?
	Let's take a break.
	I'm going to show my support by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda.
	Yeah.
	That's right, everybody.
	Welcome to the Morning Stream.
	That's right.
	It's blowing here in the studio, and I've got a sidekick here who will just talk about me whenever I want to say something.
	He'll go, yeah, that's all right.
	The Morning Stream!
	So they'll clip that and put it on their show and show you how to use a soundboard.
	Kyle Kinzel in Green Bay, Wisconsin, home of the Packers, came in with $191.87.
	He'd have a note.
	It says, for me, no agenda's confirmation.
	There are other people out there who don't believe all the information fed to...
	It's by the government and the mass media and a relief that you have backed up deconstructions with logical, reasonable analysis and not just talking points that get shouted out while people are trying to sell seeds or gold.
	However, we do not know how to use a soundboard.
	Idiots.
	Thank you for making me feel like...
	I think the way you take personal offense...
	When you use the soundboard, it's amazing.
	You're actually quite good with it.
	You're like one of the best soundboard guys ever.
	It's just, when someone does that...
	You could probably run a cart machine.
	Stop now before I kill again.
	John White in Jackson, Tennessee, $180.95.
	He just tells us his excellent Boston bombing coverage.
	I'm hitting many people in the mouth as possible, please.
	He needs an in-the-morning karma.
	In the morning!
	Absolutely.
	You've got karma.
	Don't step on the karma.
	Kathy Beauchamp.
	It's Beauchamp or Beauchamp.
	Beauchamp.
	I think it was that, but she's in the Bronx.
	$189.95.
	Birthday gift for Leonard Smalls.
	Yay!
	Omri Amarov Drory, $150 in parts unknown.
	Andrew Kirby, Covington, Louisiana, $117.23.
	Anonymous in Boulder, Colorado.
	No, Boulder, Colorado gave us a donation.
	He's in Mount Pleasant, Michigan.
	So, not quite sure what that's about.
	Peter McConnell in Stockholm, New Jersey.
	Oh, by the way, Boulder was 84-39.
	Kirby was 117-23.
	Peter McConnell, Stockholm, 84-39.
	Again, we have two 84-39s in a row.
	And he would like a Chinese in the morning.
	Sam Leon.
	He sent me a note.
	Baron Sam.
	Baron Sam.
	He's a baron.
	He sent us $83.50 with his pronunciation of his name, which is Leon.
	Leon.
	But I pronounce it Leon.
	Yeah, but that's wrong because he's a baron.
	It's wrong and he says, it's hilarious.
	You know, whenever you say something loud, whenever you modulate loud, the Skype cuts out.
	Do you just pipe down?
	Just pipe down.
	How do I sound now?
	Charles C. Walters in Schaumburg, Illinois, 6969.
	Andrew Cox in Lincoln, Nebraska, 6616.
	A spare tax return money because of John's Mayday newsletter.
	He says the newsletters work.
	Excellent.
	Well, thank goodness.
	Something's got to work.
	Alan Chung in Bellevue, Washington.
	66.
	That's the original home base.
	Hey, wait a minute.
	I'm sorry, John.
	Whoa.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	We skipped over the extremely obvious that there was only one, one.
	69!
	69, dude!
	Which was Charles Walters.
	That was the only one.
	I don't think so.
	I'm looking at the spreadsheet right now.
	Yeah, I'm going to have to talk to the spreadsheet people about this because I recall at least three coming in.
	They will be mentioned.
	Anyone who's sending 6969 will get their comeuppance.
	Comeuppance.
	They'll get their comeuppance with a 6969.
	You're going to get emails about that.
	John can't speak right.
	I can't use a soundboard.
	That's not right.
	Definitely not right.
	Are you on the 56K modem today?
	Is that what you're dialing in with?
	Is it coming in bad?
	Andrew Cox, Lincoln, Nebraska, 66-16.
	Andrew Chung, Bellevue, Washington, 60s.
	Are we going on?
	I'm sure Michael Miller and Tiburon, 66-16.
	What is this 66-16?
	I don't know.
	Oh, I know what happened.
	Wow, it's a miracle that 69-69 stayed in.
	Why?
	As JC's training, these are the nets.
	She deducted the PayPal.
	This is what we actually get.
	The Walters one came in as a check.
	Oh, wow.
	So these are all 66, 69, 69.
	Oh, thank goodness.
	In other words, Cox, Chung, and Miller.
	That's why the numbers were so weird.
	I'm like, these are really weird numbers.
	What are people...
	Are people on drugs?
	Like, I know.
	I'm going to send 65, 46.
	What?
	What?
	I know.
	I know.
	I'm going to send 56, 95.
	Huh.
	I'm going to send 47, 40.
	That's gross.
	So wait a minute.
	So on a $50...
	Donation.
	We get $47.45.
	Welcome to life.
	Holy crap.
	That's not okay.
	I always thought you were just shortchanging me.
	I'm like, you know, well, it doesn't seem like the right amount, but I like him.
	It's okay if he's skimming.
	He's got kids in college and stuff, whatever.
	Not skimming.
	So anyways, okay, let's hit the 69 jingle.
	Okay.
	We'll thank these guys.
	Oh, wow.
	This is...
	Good work, Buzzkill Jr.
	69!
	69, dudes!
	Oh, well.
	So we want to thank Walters, Cox, Chung, and Miller.
	They're all in the 6969 Club and hit it again.
	There we go.
	69!
	69, dudes!
	So now everybody gets to hear what we actually get from them when they use PayPal instead of using your bank to do time payment, which is the real great way to do it, which is what Charles Walters does.
	That came through one of the time payment system.
	He pays 6969 every so often.
	I don't know what the frequency is.
	Kenneth?
	Ryan Jones, Cap Lejeune, North Carolina, 5,885.
	Amir Makar in Mountville, Pennsylvania, 5,695.
	Eric Oyabo, I'm guessing, in some place I've never heard of.
	Gitmo Nation Smorgasbord, so that must be Norway or Sweden.
	Orebo?
	I don't know.
	That's one of the two.
	It's up there.
	Scandinavian, Nordic.
	53-32.
	It's cold.
	It's cold.
	Dodge, Gaskill in Pensacola, Florida.
	52-72.
	Daniel Kelvin, Mackinac Island.
	52-72.
	That's probably double nickels on the dime.
	Could be.
	5229 might be, too.
	You know what?
	This is a disaster.
	This could screw up the karmic universe and all these new numbers.
	I mean, this could change things.
	None of these numbers have ever been heard on this show.
	And we are putting them out there.
	Who knows what this could really...
	And by the way, not necessarily bad.
	This could change things in ways we can't even imagine.
	Well, so the $50 donors include Hollow Walker in Spring, Texas, which comes in at $47.45, Mike Matteloni in Chicago, Greg Brunsel in Kenosha, and Adam Morey in Middletown, Maryland.
	And then we have...
	The next one, I think, is probably $49.
	Yeah, don't do it just in case, because we don't want to...
	Yeah, we can always give her a shout-out later.
	So those are our donors for today's show, 509, and you can understand the net.
	If you can help us for the Sunday show, we'll go back to the old methodology.
	Hold on, what did PayPal really do to take all those dollars from us?
	Nothing.
	They did the...
	Yeah, they did, well...
	Shuffled some bits around.
	Yeah, they did a machine thing.
	The thing came in, and then they took the money from a credit card or something, and then they passed it through a banking system, and then they gave us what was left over.
	That's what they do.
	Wow.
	Well, it's not 10% at least.
	And I'm glad we didn't do Bitcoin, because if you had sent us Bitcoin on Monday, we would have lost like 30%.
	People don't seem to understand that.
	They still say, hey man, why don't you take Bitcoin?
	Because I need to eat.
	Why don't we just put our money in the sports book in Vegas?
	Speaking of which, I got an email about that.
	I guess, you know, what's coming up?
	One of our, Jennifer, one of our dames, I don't know if she's a dame.
	Hi John Adam, I'll be attending the Kentucky Oaks and Derby this weekend as a 40th damehood instead of Instead, as it would have saved a bunch of money, I'm less than $200 away.
	40th birthday gift from my husband.
	I'm sorry.
	Too bad he didn't finish off my damehood.
	That's what she's saying.
	Because I'm only $200 away.
	Anyway, I'm writing to see if you have any ideas on which horses might be profitable this weekend.
	And of course, I will share any earned wealth with the best podcast in the universe.
	Since your theory is that all major sporting events are fixed, I wondered if you had any thoughts on the derby.
	Now, she brought this up in her email, which I like the idea.
	She said, last night, 60 Minutes profiled a female jockey who will be running Saturday.
	So, of course, she's high on my list.
	And I thought that might be a pretty good bet, you know, considering the war on men, since we're all horrible and, you know, and women.
	I would say there's no chance in hell she's going to win.
	Okay.
	But she could come in third because you want to have at least some profile here.
	Can you still make money on a third place?
	Yeah, win, place, and show.
	There's three bets you can make.
	You can make a bet on all three or one.
	Okay.
	And as a show bet, it's a possibility.
	I'm guessing she comes in fifth.
	But, you know, I've got a horse track across from where I live.
	I can see the track from here.
	And they have betting in there that you can bet on.
	I can go over there and bet on the Kentucky Derby.
	And so I started doing this, I don't know, maybe.
	I used to go to the track.
	I just gave up on it.
	But I've gone and tried to beat the Derby because the one thing to look for is the following.
	You have a big winner of a horse that's going to just sweep.
	It looks like you're going to get a triple crown.
	And then some horse from the Middle East comes in for either the second, the Preakness or the Belmont, comes in out of the blue and is entered.
	And he's got good times and everything.
	That is the horse to bet on because it's a sleeper.
	And I've seen this happen numerous times.
	Shills.
	Shills.
	But then the one where I gave up on it was there was a horse that was obviously a triple crown winner.
	It was a couple of years ago.
	It was going to just win everything.
	And so I said, okay, I'll go down and put $100 on this thing.
	So I went.
	I think it was either the Belmont or the Preakness.
	I'm not sure which of the two races.
	But people will remember this.
	If you remember this horse, it was Rubico or Rubion or something like that.
	Rubicon?
	There wasn't a roof.
	It might have been.
	But anyway, so I go down there and I bet on the horse and I watch the race and it goes like this.
	This horse was a favorite to kick.
	It was an easy bet to win.
	You're not going to make that.
	You make $140.
	And so the horses are in the gate.
	His gate opens by itself out of the blue.
	Oops.
	How does that happen?
	The horse runs for it, and then they have to stop the horse.
	The horse comes up lame.
	Yeah, of course.
	The horse finally broke in it with a broken leg, and they had to shoot it.
	Shoot it on the track.
	I mean, this was like, okay, I am not betting these races are fixed.
	But we're not in on the fix, and it's not predictable, so we can't help you with this race.
	That's a long story short.
	Okay, so in other words, third in show on the Chick Jockey.
	That's about the best we can do.
	Yeah, as a long shot.
	As a long shot, okay.
	Thank you all very much for your support of the best podcast in the universe.
	You can see how we get raped by PayPal.
	Those guys, by the way, Elon Musk and everyone, they're all flying jets.
	Thanks, guys.
	Yeah, you can take $2.10 for maybe every one of our listeners.
	But here's the good news.
	No one can ever accuse us of taking money from guys who are part of Conspiracy Inc.
	We're not selling you seeds, we're not selling you gold or water filters or anything.
	All we're asking for is that you support the program if you like what we're doing, and so far in our sixth year seems to be okay.
	Yeah, and you should remember that we are in competition not with the seed sellers, but we're in competition with the movie industry.
	You spend so much money...
	To go to a film, think about, is this a movie you could have better watched at home?
	And give us the 50 bucks that you spent going to the theater with one member of the family and a box of $10 popcorn covered with some weird grease that'll make you sick as a dog.
	Goop.
	Or the multitude of you who sent me the link to the Sirius documentary, which a lot of you spent $9.99 on, so let's just call it $10.
	Are you insane?
	Did you see this movie, John?
	This is like, they found a little six-inch high alien.
	I mean, I know this movie.
	It's called Alien Autopsy.
	I know the guy who did that, too.
	Ray Santelli.
	I knew this guy.
	I hung out with him a bit in England.
	This is a scam.
	Have you seen this movie, John?
	Have you not received an email like, you've got to see this documentary, it's cool.
	They're withholding power from us.
	Yeah, I know that.
	I know they're holding energy sources, but then you bring in the six-inch high alien.
	I'll do the birthdays, John.
	You take a look at Sirius, S-I-R-I-U-S, documentary.
	Please take a look at the pictures of the six-inch-tall alien that they're taking DNA from.
	Please, please.
	Because even, I mean, I got a problem with moon landings, but I don't have a problem calling this bullcrap out.
	Anyway, the point is, you could have spent that money perhaps a little wiser and probably gotten more truth out of the deal.
	Dvorak.org slash NA. And Sir Doug says happy birthday to Ariel.
	Glad we got that one.
	And Melody Mann says happy birthday to Jim Mann.
	Celebrating tomorrow.
	Yes, he wanted the German accent you have in Melody.
	Now come here.
	Sit down, you wench.
	And Kathy Beauchamp says happy birthday to Leonard Smalls.
	Happy birthday from your friends, all of us here at the No Agenda Show.
	It's your friends.
	And we have our title that we're going to be putting in the credits as well.
	Sir Stephen van der Haaf now becomes Count de Monet.
	Count de Monet.
	Very nice.
	And no knightings, of course.
	Nothing else happening today since we didn't do all that well, but we appreciate what we got.
	And remember to put your executive producer or associate executive producer credit right up there on your LinkedIn page.
	that seems to work really well.
	Attention all human resources.
	No entry.
	Second half of soul.
	Did you see it?
	Did you see the alien?
	Yeah, it's bullcrap.
	Who cares?
	I can't believe that.
	And people were like, hey man, I'll get it for free.
	You don't have to pay for this.
	I got a ripped version.
	I said, I have no time.
	I have no time to spend on this.
	I mean, I'm the first guy who would be like, yeah, well, you know, we gotta make sure we, you know, but this, no!
	I'll be meeting with him next week.
	Huh?
	Hey, I got a couple of clips from the EU thing I want to do.
	Yeah, hold on, hold on a second, hold on a second.
	EU thing.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, it gives me a chance to do this.
	You're a fuck!
	Woo!
	So, um, I found, I got the clip, uh, from, uh, Van Cat, the French outlet.
	Which is essentially the first indications of the European Civil War.
	Oh.
	Finally.
	Finally.
	It's about time.
	And it's all kind of...
	This is actually a long, boring report that you have to listen to the subtext and you realize...
	And this was a little thing that took place, I think, about a week ago when they were exchanging nasty Twitters between Germany and France, which is going to be the start of the Civil War.
	Those two, again, it's always the same.
	These idiots.
	This is the furthest it's gotten.
	This is the point we're going to mark it in the book.
	This is when the war began.
	Brewing tensions between France and Germany, the two allies and strongmen of Europe are exchanging harsh words.
	Did you record this off your telescreen?
	Was this the George Orwell news?
	This is great.
	This came from a feed that's on the internet and it just has the sound sucks.
	Oh, I love it.
	No, it sounds really authoritarian.
	Well, it still sucks.
	At least in the press.
	It all started with an interview published last week where a Francis Parliament speaker advocated a more head-on approach with Berlin.
	Oliver Ferry reports.
	Well, French President Francois Hollande called it friendly tension with Germany.
	The vocabulary used in a draft document from a socialist party was far from amicable, calling German Chancellor Angela Merkel selfish and obsessed with Germany's economy and her own political career.
	French Speaker of the National Assembly Claude Bartholomew even raised the prospect of a confrontation with Merkel to better put things into perspective.
	Now the Elysee is trying to put out the flames before they spread.
	Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault took to Twitter, in German no less, saying that Europe's problems will not be solved without an intense and sincere dialogue between Paris and Berlin.
	And other high-ranking French ministers now are also criticizing the criticism of Merkel.
	The debate, yes, there are questions that need to be asked, that need to be put to Germany.
	But belligerents, no.
	And that's what you're alluding to.
	It's inappropriate to criticize individual leaders like this.
	Merlin has also tried to play down tension, saying it is not the words of parties that count, but rather the actions of governments, though not all share the sentiment.
	It's insolence from the French socialists.
	Germany cannot be held responsible for the state of the French economy.
	I'm angry that our closest ally would criticize us like this.
	And while Bartholomew may be sending a message counter to the Elysee, it does position him well should Hollande choose to change direction and look for a new prime minister.
	A move that the French opposition would surely welcome since it would underline a severely divided socialist party.
	It almost sounds like one of those movie reel documentaries.
	Is that what you like about this?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but almost like...
	And it was very obvious that the third World War started on May the 2nd of 2013 when the German Chancellor said the tweet saying, Fuck you, you frog!
	Bitch!
	I'm going to fuck you, no carnity dog!
	Something like that.
	So a follow-up...
	Yeah, it's a funny sound.
	The follow-up is...
	This was a compilation of Nigel Farage's comments at the Sovereign Man Conference.
	Oh, boy.
	Which was done by these guys who want people to buy their books about how you can get a second passport and stuff like that.
	And there's a couple of cuts in here that I think are awkward, but generally speaking, it's a good Farage rant, including some inside information that we have not heard yet.
	My fear is that in the end, what will break up the Euro isn't the economics of it.
	It will be wholesale, violent, possibly even revolution that we see in the Mediterranean.
	And what I hate about this is that it's all so unnecessary.
	Five countries, five of the 17, have now been bailed out.
	And, you heard it here first, the next is Slovenia.
	Slovenia will be bailed out within the next two to three months, okay?
	You heard it here first.
	And given that the French, of course, now have a new president, who I think actually, in the modern-day pantheon of idiots that are running countries around the world...
	I think Monsieur Hollande is absolutely the number one.
	His third act was to introduce a hate tax of 75% for any successful entrepreneur.
	And would the last one please leave the country immediately?
	This has become a religion.
	The idea that we must abolish the individual nation states and, you know, they've got a new flag.
	They've even got an anthem.
	You know, they've taken part of Beethoven's Fifth and it's the anthem.
	And every two months in the European Parliament, they raise the flag and they play the anthem.
	Do you think I stand to attention?
	Do I, Hal?
	But they've sunk to this level because Merkel is terrified because she has an election coming up in September.
	So she has to show the German people she's tough and stealing money is her means of doing so.
	And I repeat the advice I gave this morning.
	If you have investments, if you have money...
	Based with Eurozone banks, then my advice to you is, get your money out of those banks in those jurisdictions as quickly as you can, because next, when the next phase of this disaster comes, they will come for you.
	So that could be the Netherlands, by the way.
	For what, next bailout?
	Oh yeah.
	Well, he says it's going to be Slovenia, and that wasn't even on our radar.
	What was this thing about Beethoven?
	Is that the European...
	Apparently, it was stolen from Beethoven.
	That's interesting.
	Do you have the national anthem there?
	Of course.
	I have it every morning.
	Oh, yeah.
	Na, na, na, na, na.
	Da, da, da, da.
	Da, na.
	Yes, Ode to Joy.
	Yeah, I guess.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I'm looking at the Book of Knowledge here.
	Oh, it says it.
	Ode to Joy is the anthem of the European Union and the Council of Europe, Starfleet Command, both of which refer to it as the European anthem.
	What a rip.
	They stole it and they renamed it?
	Yeah!
	What a jip!
	It's a good tune, though.
	Maybe we should rap to it.
	Yeah.
	Well, maybe not.
	So there's a couple things in there that also should be pointed out.
	Because I was in San Francisco yesterday for an event, and then I stopped at one of the wine stores I frequent.
	What was the event?
	Can you tell us?
	Yeah, the Lexus rollout of the new IS. So I was there.
	So you're scamming cars again?
	Not scamming anything.
	Did you get one?
	I'm reporting.
	I'm a reporter on this part.
	Did you have your little portable recorder, your podcast?
	You go like, hi, I do a podcast.
	Can I sit in the car?
	No, but I did.
	This is an aside, but let me make sure that I get back to this point.
	So I'm talking with, there's a lot of writers there, and there's a guy from Glam.
	And he's a really nice guy.
	I liked him.
	But he had a...
	We were talking about splits with a lot of these publications nowadays.
	They find a bunch of bloggers.
	They put them online.
	I mean, Forbes is doing this.
	Forbes is doing it.
	ZDNet's doing it.
	They're all doing it.
	So they put a bunch of bloggers online, and then they do a revenue split.
	If the blogger attracts enough attention that they actually get revenue.
	So this, of course, means that you make up all kinds of bullcrap.
	Oh yeah, a lot of these blogs are garbage.
	So anyway, so the thing is, and Forbes has got plenty of them.
	But anyway, the thing is that he says there's been kind of a problem because there's been a huge fall off in advertising revenue as people are shifting back to television, these big advertisers.
	Really?
	And he told me that Federated Media laid off 90 people.
	That's a bad idea.
	That's a bad sign.
	He says, because I said, well, I expect this is a cyclical thing, and this advertising thing is going to cave, and it's going to take Google with it, it's going to take Yahoo with it, it's going to really make a mess.
	Well, okay, so this is really important.
	I think you and I have discussed on this show multiple times that the whole internet advertising thing is a scam.
	It's a big scam.
	It's bots, it's botnets, it's entire aircraft hangars full of Indians.
	Clicking on stuff, looking at scripts.
	Pakistanis.
	And the Philippines has a big crowd.
	The Philippines is huge.
	This is internet advertising.
	Of course, some were.
	And I think search advertising, we know that's a scam.
	But this click thing, this banner, it's scams.
	It's a huge scam.
	At the end of the month, when it's time for the board meeting, you go and spend $10,000 and you'll make...
	And there's 3,000 in the middle.
	It's called arbitrage, which is the word you don't believe exists.
	But this is what the internet has become.
	And I'm glad.
	I'm glad this is falling apart.
	It needs to fall apart so we can have less crap.
	Yeah, well, he says that he's noticing it.
	When he told me about the Federated Media layoff, that's where he worked before.
	Right.
	He was one of the guys laid off, and he went to work as a writer over at GLAM. And so I thought that was very interesting.
	Is this something recent, these layoffs?
	Apparently.
	Let's see.
	What's going on at the Federated Media?
	The way he says it, this is a building phenomenon.
	And he's noticing it, and he's apparently not watching it.
	Hmm.
	I'm seeing November.
	Last year?
	Yeah, I'm not seeing.
	That would probably be it.
	November.
	So what's going on at Federated Media?
	Shutter's standard direct sales business announces layoffs.
	This is, when was this?
	Well, it's 2009.
	No, no, no.
	Something more recent.
	I'm seeing November 23rd, 2012.
	Why Federated Media has to reinvent online.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	Yeah, they probably keep it quiet.
	You know, they probably...
	They have this.
	Oh, well, whose reports is crap?
	I mean, when the internet goes down in the whole state, nobody even writes about it.
	Well, they're offline.
	Yeah.
	The Royal Canadian Mint has been pushing forward...
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Do you want to finish up your thing about Europe?
	Yeah, I want to finish what I was saying.
	I can put a little arrow.
	So I'm at the wine store, and the guy, we're talking about some winemaker that's in Bordeaux, and I said, you know, this guy, he wants to get a better bapalation, and we're just gossiping about the guy, and he said, well, you know, this guy needs to move here.
	And the one guy who knows him well, he says, yeah, that's what he's thinking.
	I said, what do you mean?
	He said, he's thinking of moving here because of the taxis.
	In France, there's 75% on his winery.
	He says, you can't make any money.
	He says, what are they, crazy?
	So there is a tax of 75% on small businesses and I guess some wineries.
	It's crazy!
	In 1972, when we moved to the Netherlands, income tax was 72% or 73%.
	And the slaves loved it.
	Now, at the time, of course, you had, you know, government television, government radio, and you had government health care.
	I mean, really, you know, paid for by everybody.
	And if you broke a toenail, it's like, oh, stay home.
	Don't worry about it.
	It's okay.
	We'll take care of you.
	Here's some money.
	Here's a check.
	And, of course, everyone just massively was taking advantage of the system.
	Neighbors hating each other, like, he's staying home, he's getting paid to stay home.
	I don't believe his back really hurts.
	It's a horrible system.
	It's a bad, bad system.
	I've lived in it, it doesn't work.
	And this is the socialist French.
	So the French are just going to get all pissed off.
	They're already pissed off because their whole country has been hijacked with a Muslim invasion.
	They're very angry about this, but they drink a little more.
	But they are angry, and it's brewing inside.
	And when you get the French angry, be careful.
	They tend to chop heads off, these guys.
	The French are nasty.
	I mean, people always like to ridicule them for not being fighters because of what happened in World War II. No, no, no.
	But the French personality is just the opposite.
	In fact, you find this with the French Canadians.
	Those little French Canadian guys, where all the boxers in Canada always come from.
	They're tough and mean.
	So Sebastian at the market, so he lost his kitchen license, which, you know, we don't know why, but so he can't make his murgash and he can't make his duck confit, so he's just selling the raw, you know, the animals.
	And I'm not interested in a duck.
	I want his duck confit.
	I want his sausage.
	I want his merguez.
	I'll even take some of his...
	What do you call the stuff that's illegal now in California?
	The goose...
	Foie gras.
	Foie gras.
	But he's not allowed to do that anymore.
	I'm sure because he's an arrogant French prick and he pissed someone off.
	And I said, well, screw you with your license.
	And so I haven't been shopping because I don't want his stuff.
	And I went up to him the other day and said, you lose points, you know?
	You lose points, you know?
	You don't come here no more.
	You lose points with me.
	I said, what are you talking about?
	You don't buy from me no more.
	I said, I want your stuff.
	I have my license soon.
	You lose points with me.
	This is the French.
	And by the way, how many French fuckers donate to the show?
	None.
	Exactly.
	Zero.
	No, they're socialists.
	But they're mean.
	The French are mean underneath it all.
	I mean, I love going to France, and I know how to deal with the French, so I don't worry about the meanness.
	But underneath the French, there's a mean streak.
	And when they get worked up, they're the ones when they're having strikes constantly.
	And they're the guys who pulled over.
	There used to be a big wine thing going on.
	Let's face it.
	They pull over a truck filled with Algerian wine, and they turn the truck over, dump the wine down the sewer, and beat the crap out of the truck driver.
	Yeah.
	I mean, but let's be honest.
	They still insist on speaking French.
	Come on, get with it.
	Modernize, people.
	Modernize.
	Modernize already.
	Okay.
	I need to do two things.
	Are you done with Europe?
	Pretty much.
	I like that, though.
	Put it in May 2nd, 2013.
	Start of the European War.
	And, of course, the beginning of the war with Eurasia.
	And Oceania against Eurasia.
	So we have a new FCC chairman coming in.
	Yeah, a lobbyist.
	Cut out the middleman.
	Put the lobbyist in charge.
	It's funny you say this, because it turns out that he is indeed, he was a lobbyist, not for one, but for two trade groups.
	And so he did lobby the government.
	And so now he's in charge of the FCC, which means he'll be in charge of cell phone, broadband, radio, ham radio, really everything, and gets to set policy.
	But here's what I don't understand.
	I went to C-SPAN, and I got some clips.
	C-SPAN is pretty, if you go to c-spanvideo.org, there's a whole archive system you can search.
	And I was sure that I heard the president had done this, but yeah, it's true.
	They also deserve to know that there are rules on the books to keep it that way.
	They deserve a government that is truly of, by, and for the people.
	As I often said during the campaign, we need to make the White House the people's house.
	And we need to close the revolving door that lets lobbyists come into government freely and lets them use their time in public service as a way to promote their own interests over the interests of the American people when they leave.
	So today, we are taking a major step towards fulfilling this campaign promise.
	The executive order on ethics I will sign shortly represents a clean break from business as usual.
	As of today, lobbyists will be subject to stricter limits than under any other administration in history.
	You can't even read it.
	He's so full of crap.
	If you are a lobbyist entering my administration, you will not be able to work on matters you lobbied on?
	Well, how can he work?
	He can't do this.
	It's in the executive order.
	It's breaking the president's own rule.
	Let me just back that up.
	I heard that properly, didn't I? If you come into my administration...
	As a lobbyist, you cannot work on things that you lobbied the government for.
	Well, he lobbied for this.
	He was a lobbyist for the cable and for the wireless industry.
	The work on matters you lobbied on or in the agencies you lobbied during the previous two years.
	Or even two years!
	Well, we know the guy lobbied the FCC in two years.
	This is outrageous.
	When you leave government, you will not be able to lobby my administration for as long as I am president.
	And there will be a ban on gifts by lobbyists to anyone serving in the administration as well.
	And I remember, because we talked about this, and then I pulled another clip, and this is all 2009 stuff.
	New rules!
	If you are enlisting in government service...
	You will have to commit in writing to rules limiting your role for two years in matters involving people you used to work with and barring you from any attempt to influence your former government colleagues for two years after you leave.
	Sounds like a bad deal to me, my friend.
	I would not accept this position, Mr.
	Wheeler.
	Does that work with guys like Schurtoff?
	Well, the two years have already gone.
	Now it has, but most of these guys go right into the business immediately.
	Hayden, the CIA guy.
	He's working for Chertoff.
	Yeah, it's cool the way that works.
	But no one ever calls anyone.
	No one ever says anything about it.
	It's like, oh...
	Some of the press corps say something.
	Why would they?
	They're the ones...
	They want gifts.
	They want free cell phones.
	They want broadband.
	They want Google Fiber.
	I'm not going to do anything like that.
	And then this one really killed me.
	So the firm Perini Zachary Parsons...
	Received the business from the state of California of $985,142,530 to build the first section of the high-speed rail.
	Yeah.
	And do you know who's in that consortium?
	I believe Dianne Feinstein's husband.
	That would be correct.
	That would be correct.
	Her husband gets to build a railroad that costs $35 million per mile.
	Last time it was only $32 million per mile.
	Oh, inflation.
	Last time we talked about it, it's gone up a little bit.
	And then we have...
	Yeah, it's a billion dollar contract for Feinstein's husband.
	And then we have Benghazi, and this is very interesting.
	Um...
	So apparently, several of the other people who were in the consulate of Benghazi, and we know there are about 30 of them who were whisked off to Germany after the ambassador was killed and three other service members were killed.
	I think one CIA, one SEAL, two other dudes, all selling arms, whatever they were doing.
	And...
	So now they want to testify later this month.
	Daryl Issa, of course, is putting this all together.
	And it sounds like the administration in the White House is denying or is trying to stop, really, these people from talking.
	Now, we thought that it was possible they had received national security letters, which basically says, if you talk about this, we're going to lock you up forever.
	We put you in jail and, you know, NSL, national security letters are used all the time, certainly by this administration, to shut people up.
	And so now there's this one attorney who I do question, but she's making a lot of trouble.
	Here's her partner and I think her husband.
	Victoria Tunsing, my partner, has just been retained by one of the Department of State whistleblowers who are going to appear before the ISA committee.
	On April 26, Congressman ISA sent a letter to the new Secretary of State, John Kerry, demanding that the lawyers who are going to represent these whistleblowers be cleared, be given clearances, so they can talk to their clients in the committee about classified information.
	The Department of State is refusing to grant clearances to Victoria and other people who want to represent the whistleblowers in an attempt to prevent the testimony.
	There's going to be a constitutional showdown here.
	Congress is going to win.
	The administration's effort to cover up what happened at Benghazi is going to fail.
	It's taken a long time, but Boehner and company have finally gotten their act together and have decided that they must get the answers.
	But right now, The Department of State is refusing to give security clearances to people like Victoria so they can represent the whistleblowers.
	The whistleblowers are out there.
	These are great Americans.
	They are heroes.
	They were on the ground in Benghazi.
	They want to tell their story, and the administration is going to do everything it can to stop them from testifying under oath in public, and they want to protect Hillary and the President.
	That's what this is all about.
	So one of these lawyers, or maybe the lawyer, Victoria Tunsing, is all over.
	She's on Fox News, and she's like, hey, they're covering up their...
	I just wanted to say that this woman has a beef, certainly with the Clintons.
	Back in the Monica Lewinsky days, they were on television all the time.
	She and her husband, I think this was her husband.
	What's her name again?
	Tunsing Tunsing.
	T-O-E-N-S-I-N-G. And she was in the Reagan administration as a deputy assistant attorney general, headed up the terrorism unit.
	But she also defended the government with the TWA 847 hijacking Pan Am Flight 103.
	So she's not a good actor.
	Because Pan Am 103, clearly CIA job, well known.
	They blame it on the schmuck from Libya, which of course was later misused by this current administration.
	So I'm not thinking she's such a great person.
	And certainly her beef against Hillary Clinton.
	But it's not like this is unknown.
	It's not like it's unknown that we're trying to get people to testify.
	And this question did come up in the impromptu press conference with the President, and his answer was pretty funny.
	I know pieces of this story have been litigated, and you've been asked about it.
	But there are people in your own State Department saying they've been blocked from coming forward, that they survived the terror attack, and they want to tell their story.
	Will you help them come forward and just say it once and for all?
	Ed, I'm not familiar with this notion that anybody's been blocked from testifying.
	So what I'll do is I will find out what exactly you're referring to.
	What I've been very clear about from the start is that Our job, with respect to Benghazi, has been to find out exactly what happened, to make sure that U.S. embassies, not just in the Middle East, but around the world, are safe and secure, and to bring those who carried it out to justice.
	But I'll find out what exactly you're referring to.
	They hired an attorney because they're saying that they've been blocked from going forward.
	I'm not familiar with it.
	What?
	I've never heard of that.
	Now, Carney, spokeshole Carney.
	By the way, she looks like Mel Torme.
	Spokeshole Carney, his answer was even better.
	Who?
	So, okay, so we want to, clearly we want to avoid the whole Benghazi thing.
	Ixnay on the Benghazi Bay because, you know, we know that was a botched kidnapping that was set up to make the president look good and make him a hero.
	And by the way, you know, there's a lot of information about what really happened.
	Chris, what was his name?
	From what?
	Chris.
	Chris.
	I want to say Chris Anderson.
	But no, the ambassador.
	Chris Matthews.
	The ambassador.
	No, not Chris Matthews.
	Oh, I didn't mean Chris Matthews.
	The ambassador.
	He didn't just die of smoke inhalation, okay?
	Stevenson, wasn't it?
	Stevenson.
	They raped him with a broom handle and dragged him naked through the streets.
	There's pictures of this.
	Yeah, it's disgusting.
	I mean, they F the guy up big time, and none of this is, oh, he died of smoke inhalation.
	No, no, I'm sorry.
	They raped him with a broom handle, okay?
	This is no joke what happened here.
	This went incredibly wrong.
	Things with this administration are going wrong.
	They're so arrogant.
	This is what I think happened with Boston.
	Something went wrong.
	Maybe not...
	Anyway, I don't want to get into that because before you know it, I'm selling you seeds.
	But here is Spokes Hall Carney's reaction and how he says, shut up.
	...about that.
	The Defense Department and the State Department both have written letters, as I understand it, to Republican Darrell Isis saying that they're not aware of anyone coming to them asking for security clearances for their counsel or anything to come forward.
	First, is that your understanding?
	And second...
	If someone were to come forward, if they just haven't technically told their superior or something, if they were to come forward, is the White House willing to let them testify?
	Well, again, I mean, that's a hypothetical, but let's be clear.
	Benghazi happened a long time ago.
	That's my favorite.
	It happened a long time ago.
	Why are you dredging up the past?
	That's so long, man.
	Really?
	I mean, come on.
	We are unaware of any agency blocking an employee who would like to appear before Congress to provide information related to Benghazi.
	He's reading.
	Let's be clear, it happened a long time ago, man.
	It's like, really, man?
	It's like a long time ago, man.
	Seriously.
	A long time ago.
	I could go on forever, but we can't.
	We can't go on forever.
	We have to stop this show here.
	What do you think?
	Should we stop here?
	Jeez, what time is it?
	I know.
	How did we wind up doing this?
	I don't know.
	We have to do a late start.
	Yeah, but we went long.
	You should have stopped me.
	I was on a roll.
	I was glad to hear it.
	I saw one more thing.
	Let's do one more thing.
	Stop this.
	Stop this.
	Whoa, whoa, really?
	You're going to stop the show for one more thing?
	Yeah.
	Wow, okay.
	This was kind of a weird...
	Is this going to kill the whole show?
	This is going to be like a total down, right?
	It's going to kill the whole show.
	Actually, what's going to kill the show is that people are going to start thinking Dee Dee Dinah.
	Wait, wait, let's do it.
	You can mix this into everybody talking about the bird.
	Bye-bye-bye.
	I'll do that.
	Yeah, you can mix it right in.
	Get everybody, make everyone crazy.
	Nah, we'll do the...
	Nah!
	Okay, wow.
	Cliffhanger.
	A cliffhanger, ladies and gentlemen.
	Woo!
	That was scary.
	A cliffhanger, I tell you.
	No, I have an end-of-show clip.
	Of Eleanor Clift.
	She is the douchette on the McLaughlin group.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	In its entirety.
	It's only two minutes.
	She's a minor, by the way.
	I was worried about this thing.
	They wouldn't let a song like this be played anymore.
	She's a minor.
	She's a minor.
	How about Teen Angel?
	Teen Angel, can you hear me?
	We'll see.
	We'll see what happens if people start hearing this song in their brain.
	Yeah.
	I will turn on the transmitter.
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