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448: Lucy the Luddite

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	Ah, we gotta go to a break.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Sunday, September 30th, 2012.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 448.
	This is No Agenda.
	Celebrating Carmageddon 2 here in Los Angeles.
	In the People's Republic of Southern California.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from Northern Silicon Valley, where I've never even heard of Carmageddon 1, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	Yes, you remember Carmageddon.
	We had a whole conversation about it.
	What was it?
	Remember when they closed the 405 and everyone was like, oh, it's going to be the worst thing ever in the whole world.
	It's going to be scary.
	And of course, it was all just so all the cops could get overtime.
	Oh, yeah.
	So they have Carmageddon 2 this weekend.
	Overtime 2.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Overtime 2.
	And let me say...
	A very happy National Cybersecurity Awareness Month to you, John C. Dvorak.
	Yeah, happy awareness to you, too.
	No, no, it's National Cybersecurity Awareness Month.
	Yeah, that's what I said.
	No, you didn't say that.
	And please say it again.
	National Cybersecurity Awareness Month.
	National Cybersecurity Awareness Month.
	Squirrel!
	That's right.
	We are celebrating by presidential proclamation.
	Of course...
	It doesn't really start until tomorrow.
	Oh, coincidentally with Oracle World.
	Oh, really?
	I wonder if there's any connection.
	There's almost like no connections anywhere.
	I mean, it just makes no sense.
	It makes no sense.
	I mean, there's no way we would have, like, I don't know, cyber attacks for National Cyber Security Awareness Month?
	This Thursday, we're going to tell you more about that in a bit, but we begin tonight with cyber warfare.
	The most extensive attack on American banks ever.
	I might remind you, this is George Stephanopoulos, and this is ABC News, who, of course, are the most compromised news organization in the universe.
	And, you know, it just might be coincidence that they have this report during National Cybersecurity Awareness Month.
	Launch from the Middle East, happening right now.
	Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase.
	That's a bumper sticker, isn't it?
	Launch from the Middle East.
	Launch from the Middle East, happening right now.
	That's right, everybody.
	Sounds like one of those kicker lines for some sleazy online web show.
	Launched from the Middle East, online right now.
	That's right, 30,000 nitro burning funny cars.
	We're going to tell you more about that in a bit, but we begin tonight with cyber warfare.
	The most extensive attack on American banks ever.
	Launched from the Middle East, happening right now.
	Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, U.S. Bancorp, and today PNC. America's biggest banks, with millions of American families locked out of their accounts online.
	So what does it mean for your money?
	Who's behind it?
	How long has it been happening?
	Officials across the government are tracking the attacks, working to keep them from becoming financial nightmares.
	So, before we continue with this report, this is obvious psychological warfare on the American people.
	And is the PNC Bank, is that a big bank?
	I'm not familiar with you.
	I've never heard of the PNC Bank.
	So I want you to listen to the voiceover which accompanies this package which George has just led us into and listen to the stressful quality of the voice urging you that this is clearly an attack on our cyber infrastructure.
	ABC senior justice correspondent Pierre Thomas starts us off.
	Tonight, the financial and banking industry is on high alert as a massive cyber attack remains underway.
	Potentially millions of customers trying to bank online this week blocked.
	Now, potentially millions of customers.
	Not saying it's just happening, you know, just potentially.
	Among the targets, Bank of America, PNC, and Wells Fargo.
	There is an elevated level of threat.
	The threat is now high.
	Sources tell ABC News it's a denial of service attack where hackers from the Middle East have secretly commandeered thousands of computers worldwide.
	For those of you who don't know anything about a denial of service attack, the whole beauty of a denial of service attack is you can't pinpoint an origin because it comes from thousands, tens, or sometimes hundreds of thousands of compromised home-based PCs around the world.
	So for them to blanketly state, you know, this is of course coming from the Middle East, and I think they pretty much mean Iran by that, is false.
	Would you agree, cyber expert John C. Dvorak?
	I'd actually call it a lie.
	Oh, okay, thank you.
	Those computers or zombies have...
	Zombies?
	...overwhelmed bank websites with a barrage of electronic traffic.
	Different banks have been targeted on different days.
	Today it was PNC's turn.
	We tried for three hours to get on PNC's website, but we couldn't get through.
	I love that little insert.
	We tried for hours to get through to PNC. Are you clipping your nails again?
	No!
	What are you doing?
	I was opening something.
	On Facebook today, frustrated customers.
	Cynthia Shroom wrote, trying to pay bills.
	This is ridiculous.
	Now listen to, these of course are, you know, when you are reading something from Facebook, obviously it's true and these are, you know, these are real sourced comments and this could not in any stretch of the imagination be planted comments like this one.
	Stacy Briggs Gerlach posted, hopefully it can be up soon.
	Never realize how dependent I am on it.
	Oh, brother.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah.
	A group of hackers calling themselves Izzedine Al-Qasam warned the financial industry it was going to attack in retaliation for that controversial film that sparked outrage in the Muslim world.
	Oh, okay.
	Let's throw that in real quick because, of course, it's all because of the innocence of Islam video.
	Yeah, right.
	Okay, this is great.
	The movie nobody has seen.
	Yeah.
	The scary thing is that even with the warning, the attack could not be stopped.
	The threats are getting increasingly...
	Now listen, who's this?
	Oh no, Mr.
	Bill, oh no!
	Be quiet, because you gotta tell me who they brought into this report.
	Hold on, let me roll it back a second here.
	Increasingly sophisticated.
	The U.S. suspects hackers in Iran may be involved.
	This is the first time that we know about where a Middle Eastern entity...
	Do you recognize the voice?
	Is that that bonehead Clark?
	Yeah!
	Yeah, they bring in Richard Clark.
	That guy's in.
	They always bring him in.
	What does he know about anything?
	Well, he's a shill.
	He's a total ex-spooks shill.
	And he's a consultant for the...
	He's got a bulky road, supposedly.
	He's a big genius about this.
	Yeah, heaven forbid we actually ask a true...
	You know, somebody actually knows anything.
	This guy came along.
	I'd like to sit him down and start questioning him about things.
	Where's the power switch on the PC? LAUGHTER I mean, that level.
	Oh, you mean stuff like what is in.msi file?
	There you go.
	The Middle Eastern government has attacked websites of critical infrastructure in the United States.
	The hackers have not been able to steal any money in these attacks or disrupt financial markets.
	But authorities fear the next generation of wide-scale cyber assaults could be far more devastating.
	Oh!
	And if they get in...
	Inside the banks, they can move money around and cause financial chaos.
	Okay, so now we've gone from a denial of service attack to them getting inside the banks and moving money around.
	That is quite a stretch, by the way.
	Very much.
	Yeah, sending out a bunch of zombie bots to just ping a site.
	It's a lot different than cracking a site.
	Alright, let's wrap it up here.
	So Pierre, the hackers are blanketing the banks with these attacks right now, but to reiterate the bottom line, so far, everyone's money is safe.
	Oh, so far.
	Wait, John!
	So far?
	So far, our money is safe.
	Does that imply that eventually it won't be?
	Is that what he's implying?
	Oh, no, no.
	He says, so far.
	So far, we've gotten through the day.
	So far, we haven't been shot.
	Well, this is not only implying it, but it's a setup for his reporter to take it one step further.
	That's right, George.
	To be clear, no money has been stolen yet.
	Not.
	Not yet.
	Not yet.
	It could have happened in...
	Many people trying to bank online could not for a time get access to their accounts.
	You can see how that could make it difficult for a small business.
	So that's why tonight the government is working so hard to locate and block those ongoing attacks.
	Right.
	And this of course is again National Cyber Security Awareness Month.
	Now, before we get into some very important clippage from Lucy Napolitano, I would like to congratulate our No Agenda Knight, Mr.
	Smith, who was interviewed by the Associated Press.
	And right off the bat said, let me get this, let me get the article here.
	Here we go.
	One expert said, he was suspicious of claims of responsibility purportedly made by Islamists angry at the anti-Muslim movie made in the United States, explaining that the widely circulated internet postings might have been an attempt to deflect attention from the true culprit.
	In the intelligence world, we call that a false flag, said Mike Smith.
	Whose web security company Akamai has helped analyze some of the attacks.
	And it actually had a couple other really good quotes.
	That is Noah Jen the Knight hitting him in the mouth, as we call it.
	Not that it made any difference.
	But we appreciate it.
	So, of course, during National Cyber Security Awareness Month, there's all kinds of symposia.
	And these symposia are often broadcast on C-SPAN. And I was able to catch a number of them.
	And one of them had an interview, besides a little stand-up routine, a little interview with Janet Napolitano, our Department of Homeland Security uberlord, and a Q&A session afterward.
	And actually, I want to, just because this whole, you know, she's working on the executive order.
	In fact, we should probably play that clip right off the bat.
	So we know this executive order is coming.
	We've seen a draft of it.
	And this is a guy from the National Review.
	National Journal.
	Is it National Journal?
	I thought it was National Review.
	No.
	I think he may be from the National Review.
	The symposium was National Journal.
	But I could be wrong.
	What's his name?
	I don't know.
	And so he asks about the executive order that is pending and how far it can go and what it will mean.
	And this is, of course, because the legislation in both houses has failed to pass.
	So we do not have a cyber order.
	And it's pretty clear what it all comes down to, what we really want to have.
	And this is a very familiar setup.
	But let's listen to the question and the answer from Lucy.
	Some questions from the audience here.
	This is one that goes back to the executive order because it's more specific than what.
	By the way, questions from the audience were written down on cards, so of course it's not really a question from the audience who were there just playing words with friends on their iPads.
	This is a setup question.
	And by the way, I should mention that when you do many of these things, even though I think a lot of people kind of sense it, but they do script questions just in case the audience comes up with nothing.
	Right.
	And this was one of those times, I think.
	Where does the President's authority begin and end regarding a cyber executive order?
	Can he issue the Lieberman Bill, meaning one of the bills that was on the Hill, simply as an executive order?
	You've answered the second part of that question, but the question of the President's authority, where does it begin and where does it end, is that something that you're looking at and do you know the answers to that?
	I like this question.
	I find this to be a perfect question.
	So can he just take the Lieberman bill, which includes the most important point, which is allowing commercial companies to share information with the government while being completely indemnified, so no liability, they can't be sued for breaching your privacy.
	That is the number one deal.
	John, as a constitutional scholar, Where would you say the President's power begins and ends when it comes to this executive order?
	Can he just take the Lieberman bill and just make it an executive order?
	No.
	Why not?
	Because he can't.
	You can't just start legislating.
	Then what's the point of having any legislation at all?
	Just have the President dictate whatever?
	Well, you know, I think this is a constitutional question.
	Yeah, the Constitution doesn't allow for this.
	In fact, half of these executive orders are illegal.
	This is not a dictatorship, although I guess maybe it is.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	Whatever the President wants to do is fine.
	Yes.
	Let's ask Constitutional Professor Janet Napolitano.
	Well, I'd start with Article II of the Constitution of the United States and the powers that derive from that.
	There's a number of Supreme Court cases that follow that, but you begin with the President's responsibility to keep the nation secure.
	There you go!
	There's your answer.
	It's the George Bush answer I might point out.
	It's very simple.
	I've got to keep the nation safe.
	That is Article 2 of the Constitution.
	I can do whatever is necessary to achieve that.
	And obviously, these denial-of-service attacks, which originate in the Middle East, are here today.
	These are clearly of national importance.
	Security concern.
	So you're wrong, John.
	You're wrong.
	Yeah, I figured I was.
	The administration ran into a problem in that if you all are doing this essentially by fiat, you're going to be accused of circumventing the legislative process.
	You're issuing orders, perhaps the way you're drawing analogies to executive authorities that was practiced in previous administrations.
	Do you worry about that?
	Well, I think, again, Congress has had a full opportunity to act.
	Yeah.
	So, if they're not going to do it, then we'll just have to...
	If they're not going to do it, we will.
	Yeah, we'll just do it.
	I love that.
	Isn't that great?
	You know, they've had the opportunity.
	The next thing is going to be, you know, Congress had its opportunity and they voted against it.
	Yeah, what idiots!
	So this isn't right.
	They had their opportunity to vote for it.
	You had your shot?
	What's your problem?
	They blew it.
	They voted against it.
	So we had to take action.
	We had to take over.
	Well, it's interesting because in this next little piece, she actually explains what this entails.
	What are the real issues when it comes to national security?
	And she slips one in there, which for Janet is already frightening just to think of, which has really nothing to do with national security, but will, of course, be included in the executive order.
	Listen carefully.
	More recently, cyber attackers penetrated the networks of companies that operate natural gas pipelines.
	And computer systems in critical sectors of the economy, including the financial, nuclear, and chemical industries, are increasingly targeted.
	Hey, wait a minute.
	How come I didn't hear her say it?
	Oh, here it is.
	I'm sorry.
	My mistake.
	...possible gateway to a catastrophic attack.
	The word cyber security encompasses a broad range of malicious activity, from denial of service attacks to the theft of intellectual property.
	Oh, okay.
	At least we know what's about the theft of intellectual property.
	To intrusions against government networks and systems that control our critical infrastructure.
	There you go.
	So, of course, Congress failed to pass SOPA and PIPA, etc., CISPA. So obviously we're going to include intellectual property theft as a concern of national security.
	That's a good catch.
	And now the kicker.
	And I was a little dismayed because I actually watched this thing Thursday evening.
	I was like, oh my God, no one has seen this.
	No one's looking at this.
	And then I was like, you know, and like last night I saw one or two postings on the news network about it.
	And this morning you sent me the same clip.
	I was like, I'm sure to nail clip of the day.
	And here it is, the best question ever asked of Janet Napolitano with a stunning answer.
	Take it for granted.
	I mean, we, you know, we, I'm sure, I mean, I don't know, do you practice two-layer authentication with your email and do you have, you know, multiple passwords for your accounts?
	I mean, it ultimately comes down to some level of personal responsibility.
	And we don't always integrate it into our lives and we just sort of treat it as an afterthought until something bad happens.
	Well, that's what, yeah, that's why, you know, Decades ago, nobody put a seatbelt on when they got in a car.
	In fact, cars didn't even come with seatbelts.
	We need that same kind of cultural awareness and change more quickly where cyber safety is concerned.
	Do you integrate it into your own life?
	I mean, do you have Amazon and iTunes accounts separated in the different passwords for everything?
	What does your personal cyber security look like?
	Well, okay, don't laugh, but I just don't use email at all.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Because it's too time consuming or for security purposes?
	For a whole host of reasons.
	So I don't have any of my own accounts.
	I'm very secure.
	You're off the grid.
	So I thought about this.
	And so obviously the reason why she claims to not have any email is she doesn't want to be culpable in any of the incredible shenanigans that go on at the Department of Homeland Security, because that, of course, is always how they nail you, with the discovery of documents.
	You don't think so?
	No, I don't think so based on one of her answers.
	When he asked her specifically why she didn't use the email and then he had two conjectural responses that she refused to address and said, I'd do it for a whole host of reasons, I honestly believe that she doesn't know how to use a computer at all.
	No, you're kidding me.
	No, I'm absolutely convinced of it by the way she's responded to that.
	I don't believe she knows how to use a computer at all.
	She doesn't even know what Amazon is.
	This is a person that's been a government official all her life.
	She was a government official.
	She was a governor.
	She's been working for Homeland Security, which is essentially a book of...
	She's got secretaries and helpers and all those people that she...
	Take a memo!
	She is the old-fashioned style of executive that literally, I believe, cannot use a computer at all.
	She doesn't know how to turn one on.
	She wouldn't know Windows for Macintosh.
	This is a complete embarrassment to the entire population of the United States that we have somebody running a department like Homeland Security and discussing cybersecurity and just obviously mouthing platitudes about cybersecurity Denial of service attack.
	She doesn't even know what that is.
	I'm totally convinced of it.
	There's no evidence to the contrary.
	And I'm actually going to say that I think I'm going to agree with you.
	If you listen to this little follow-up that she adds to this admission, I think it plays right into your thesis here.
	Some would call me a Luddite.
	There you go.
	She's even saying it.
	I'm a Luddite.
	What is a Luddite?
	A Luddite?
	In today's parlance, a Luddite is somebody who doesn't like or use computers.
	So, following on this, and I'm glad you deduced this, How do we then view the exact same level of people who are representatives of the American populace, i.e.
	congressmen, women, and senators?
	Do you recall that guy, Chopra and his buddy Vivek Kundra, when Kundra came out with that commentary, which I ridiculed endlessly about people shouldn't be speaking in binary and cobalt?
	Yeah, yeah.
	And you discuss, you know, the future being the...
	Yeah.
	What's in the Star Trek show where you go in the room and it turns into some other places.
	Oh, the holodeck, the holodeck.
	The holodeck.
	You'll get a bus schedule on your phone and all this dumb crap.
	John, John, John, John.
	I believe the entire...
	Government is just filled with people that don't know how to use a computer.
	I think there's a few senators that work in the government that know something, and there's a few congressmen, but I think generally speaking, they're totally clueless and they can be easily bamboozled by somebody like Richard Clark, who has no background in this, and he's written a book on it, and he's now getting a consulting fee from the government.
	He's probably got a contracting business with the CIA. I mean, this whole thing is just a big money grab, and it's not just saving us from anything.
	They don't know what they're doing.
	So it was the holodeck that he was referring to.
	And I'm going to call you back because you can't hear me again.
	Hold on.
	And we just don't want to go through that.
	And otherwise I'm going to turn on mumble.
	Because that just seems to work that much better.
	Yeah, you there?
	Yeah, anyway, so the holodeck.
	Yeah, so I was saying holodeck.
	But this is really interesting in light of all of these hearings that we actually, we played several clips from these hearings.
	We have, you know, I'm sure our representatives in the House of Representatives and the Senate are all very well-intentioned.
	But of course, when it comes to technology, it's very easy to bamboozle them into saying, oh my gosh, it's so scary.
	We have to have all this regulation and we have to indemnify companies from sharing private personal information because we're going to die.
	And in fact, Janet Napolitano admits that's exactly what they did in this clip.
	So, Congress is, I think, now more aware than they were before.
	Anybody aware of the nature of the threat or the immediacy of it?
	Yes, absolutely.
	And we did some demonstrations to members down in the skiff in the capital.
	Sort of scared them a little bit.
	Well, hopefully, yes.
	I mean, here she is admitting, hopefully we scared them in the skiff.
	The skiff, by the way, is the sensitive compartmented information facility.
	So they took them into a booth...
	And whatever they showed them, of course, we don't know, because that was not in the actual testimony, which was public in this transparent government.
	And they scared the shit out of them.
	But it gave them a sense of awareness and urgency.
	And I regret that the debate kind of devolved into the typical, well, this is regulation or not regulation.
	This is a security issue, and it's a security issue that should be a top priority.
	You could almost predict it, though, right?
	I mean, we were talking about...
	So there you go.
	That's how it works.
	There's another hint in there.
	She says that the debate deteriorated.
	In other words, there was one or two people in the group that knew that this was bullcrap.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	And so it's just a matter of waiting around until this pops up.
	And the big one will be, just like the pharmaceutical industry, in the United States at least, received complete indemnification from prosecution or liability if someone is hurt, dies, gets, I don't know,
	narcolepsy or anything from a vaccine, Which, of course, is the bonanza of the pharmaceutical industry at the moment, so too will all cyber-related companies, which goes right down to the smartphone in your hand, the computer on your desktop, the ISP, the internet...
	Connection you use will be completely indemnified from sharing your personal information with the government should they suspect you of some form of terrorist activity.
	And that's what this is all about.
	Oh, and of course, more money for bullcrap systems.
	Public scammed yet again.
	And with that, I would like to say, in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak.
	In the morning to you, Adam Curry.
	In the morning to all ships that see boots on the ground, subs in the water, and feet in the air.
	Yeah, and in the morning to all of our knights who are always there to support us, and of course to all of the human resources in the chatroom, noagendastream.com, noagendachat.net, and our brand new...
	Chatroom Nazis!
	Noah Jenner Nazis with the brown shirts.
	You can recognize them by the armband.
	If you go astray, they will kick you out and ban you for at least 20 minutes.
	I can't wait to see how the chat room works today.
	Do you know how many people were so happy to do stuff?
	This is the great thing.
	This was actually a test in social studies.
	Because I said, you know, we're now soliciting, we're accepting applications for no agenda Nazis.
	So I actually asked for people to be Nazis.
	And you know what?
	We got a whole bunch of submissions of people really happy to be Nazis.
	Yeah, that would be in the...
	If the government did that, you'd have the same response.
	Exactly!
	Exactly!
	People are like, yeah, man.
	Yeah, I want to be a Nazi.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we got to keep these...
	These people can't be walking around talking on the street like that.
	Give me a brown shirt with an armband.
	I'll take care of them.
	I'll ban them from the street.
	This was proof.
	And by the way, some really nice people who I know.
	Really nice people.
	You saw the emails, right?
	It said, I'd like to be a Nazi.
	Were you surprised?
	A little bit, yeah.
	A little bit.
	I was like, oh my goodness.
	Oh, wow.
	Wasn't there some famous school experiment where they did that?
	Yeah, yeah, it was a, they, uh, right, they did, I forgot, it's actually very, very famous, and it's got a name, and I can't recall it, but yeah, they let these kids go crazy, and they all became, they became horrible.
	What was that?
	What was that?
	Was it the, hold on.
	No, we'll have to get somebody, but somebody in the chat room might know, and we can do a discussion on it later.
	I got it.
	I think we should just thank some producers.
	Stanford Prison Experiment.
	Yeah, that's it.
	That's what it was.
	Yes, let's thank some producers.
	We only have, it came up as we anticipated, very short.
	Oh yeah, as predicted.
	And we have two producers, one executive and one associate executive.
	Mr.
	Eponymous from Beachmere, Queensland.
	Down under, 269.
	Adam was too distracted by Kate's white pointers to take crackpot shot at William getting a tour of the New World Order UFO bases on the Solomons.
	I'd like to recommend the book Solomon Islands Mysteries.
	Other items of interest for No Agenda listeners, the movie Sleep Dealer, a drone story with a happy ending, and the book Trust Me, I'm Lying by Ryan Holiday.
	You'd probably hate him, but I make it a pretty good call for Uncle Leo.
	Could I get some job karma with a two-to-the-head hey, Citizen Chaser?
	Yeah, with a chaser.
	Okay, that's what you want.
	You've got karma.
	Hey, Citizen.
	There you go.
	Well, thank you very much, sir, Eponymous, for coming in once again and at least giving us a little bit of hope here on one of our slower days, but it was to be expected.
	269er, thank you for your support.
	And Black Knight Era Dardarian from Trabuco Canyon, California has come in as the associate executive producer with $250.
	If this show went away, not only would I lose an incredible resource, but it would feel like I lost to friends.
	So don't go away!
	Here's $250 to make it worth your wild Black Knight-era variant.
	Oh, that's so nice.
	And that was it for today's show.
	448 for executive and associate executive producer level of contribution.
	We hope some people will pick it up a little bit for next Thursday's show.
	go to noagendashow.com click on the donate button noagendanation.com dvorak.org slash n-a and channeldvorak.com slash n-a and help us out here yes and we of course also appreciate the work from all of our artists Martin J.J. was responsible for the artwork on No Agenda, episode 447.
	And for the executive producers, associate executive producers, as always, these are real credits.
	You can put them on your IMDB. When you win an Oscar, you can thank us as part of that, you know, always believing in you.
	And, of course, unlike the phonies in Hollywood, we will actually vouch for your credit should you need that to be done.
	And, of course, it is the season of just getting by, so if you want to do anything, propagate this.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	A new mix.
	Yeah, it was a new mix.
	A little bonus for you.
	A new mix.
	Well, you know, I'm trying.
	I'm trying.
	It's a brand new mix.
	Oh, I do want to read an email here from, I don't know if you saw this, from Yellowjacket, one of our long-term listeners up there, and I think he's in, I think he's in Canada.
	Maybe I'm wrong.
	He says, I was checking in at my local airport and simultaneously happened to be listening to the latest episode of No Agenda.
	That would be Thursday's show.
	The topic of discussion?
	Premium lines at the airport.
	Is that fate or what?
	So I decided to try Adam's trick out while listening and what do you know?
	It worked!
	No hassles with security or boarding.
	Got my seat and bag ahead of the stragglers behind me.
	And this, of course, is in reference to the no agenda premium valet service at airport security where you take your coach class ticket, get into the premium line.
	They will not ask you anything, certainly not the TSA. And then you ask to opt out so you don't even have to pick up your bags from the belt.
	In fact, you probably have less chance of them stealing your shit, which has been in the news recently.
	Because, you know, they have to actually handle your bins and they do not want to be responsible for that.
	And you get a nice little foot rub and a little back rub.
	And you should tell them, thank you for your valet service.
	I really appreciate you carrying my bag.
	I bet he didn't do that, but that would be what I would recommend.
	And you've seen the latest TSA news, I presume, John?
	No, I missed it.
	I missed the latest TSA news.
	Tell me what it is.
	Well, ABC is out on a hit job on the TSA. I'm not quite sure why they're doing it.
	Obviously, one of the executives got...
	Oh, that's what it is.
	Diane Sawyer got mauled by the TSA. And so here's the follow-up to their groundbreaking report.
	Good evening.
	Diane is off this Friday night, and we begin here with new fallout after that ABC News investigation this week.
	Brian Ross and his team uncovering widespread theft by TSA officers working airport security.
	Some of them stealing your property as it goes through those scanners.
	Last night here, you saw Brian track down one stolen iPad to an agent's home, confronting him right there.
	Tonight, Congress taking notice, some calling it the last straw.
	And in just 24 hours, we've heard from thousands of viewers sending us messages on Facebook and online, outraged, some saying it's happening to them.
	Here are just a couple of their voices.
	Once again, these of course are completely credible and sourced from Facebook, and they've called some of these people up and put them on Skype.
	I think for sure that the TSA employees have been involved in removing personal items from my bag.
	Took my shoes off, went through the machine, bent over, put my shoes on, turned around, grabbed my cash wallet.
	Cell phone was missing.
	And so we turn once again to our chief investigative correspondent, Brian Ross.
	And today, Brian, you got Capitol Hill's attention.
	Indeed, David, with the chairman of the House Transportation Committee, John Micah of Florida, calling for a total reform and sweeping changes in the management of TSA. And the inspector general at Homeland Security saying the case we uncovered has now been referred to federal authorities for criminal prosecution.
	I find this really fascinating.
	I mean, ABC does nothing without some benefit for themselves.
	I think you're right.
	It could possibly be some executive got shaken down.
	But this was a pretty big report they had.
	It was pretty funny if you didn't see the original report where they left iPads in the bins at airports across the country.
	And then one TSA officer stole it, took it home because they tracked the iPad.
	They went up to the guy's house and went like...
	Hey man, where's our iPad?
	And then he took off his uniform and then blamed his wife and gave the iPad back and his wife stole it.
	Oh, that's a nice guy.
	He threw his wife under the bus.
	But then to have Micah jump on this, it sounds like a setup.
	Hold on a second.
	Micah's the only one who ever jumps on this.
	That's all he does.
	Yeah, but ABC is so pro all of this stuff that even this, so they follow this report up with this, and then I was like, okay, this has to be a hit piece.
	This evening, Diana's office Friday night, and we begin here with new fallout after that ABC News investigation.
	Wait a minute, wrong one.
	Sorry, this one.
	Oh, wait.
	Ah!
	Oh, this is the one.
	I'm sorry.
	My mistake.
	For its critics in Congress, our report on the TSA was only the latest example in a series of miscues, invasions of privacy, and just yesterday, the failure of TSA speeders to spot a loaded pistol inadvertently left in a woman's purse.
	The weapon got past the TSA checkpoint at the Orlando airport and made it onto a flight to Newark, where the woman, a Florida firefighter, realized what had happened and reported it to authorities, David.
	Yeah, this is what I do.
	So whenever I happen to forget about my handgun in my purse and I get through TSA, I immediately report that.
	I mean, seriously?
	I wouldn't.
	No, of course not.
	And that's part of the same report.
	And of course, I didn't hear about this anywhere else except on ABC. You've got to think that this is some kind of setup.
	They're setting up something.
	And I'm not saying it's to get rid of TSA. I'm saying it's probably to get the more money and more bullcrap.
	I don't even think it's a good thing.
	But it sounds like a setup for some reason.
	More training or something.
	Yeah, there's probably some tax angle, or tax money angle.
	I don't know.
	I have no idea.
	Wow.
	I know there was a bunch of stuff on these different, some of these shows on C-SPAN, and there's a bunch of people, they're getting ready for the big debate.
	Ah, yes.
	This, of course, is October 3rd, which is, is that a Wednesday?
	Am I correct?
	Yeah, I think this is Wednesday.
	Oh, so that's perfect, because we have a show the next day.
	Yeah, and I have some preview clips.
	Ooh, nice.
	But before I go push toward that, I wanted to mention that there's a lot of discussion about how our infrastructure of this country is falling apart.
	And every time they start moaning about this, and we haven't got the money to pay for anything, I say, well, the money that's wasted on these idiots at TSA, if you turn these people into, like...
	W Works Project Administration workers.
	Yeah.
	Guys who, like, build, you know, cheap bridges and stuff all over the place.
	I think it'd be better spent money.
	This is a fiasco.
	There's nothing productive about this.
	Okay.
	No, anyway, that was it.
	I'm just leaving pauses.
	Jump in, because I'm always talking.
	I can't hear you.
	You can't hear me again?
	Is that true?
	Okay, here we go.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Hold on.
	I found a couple of interesting things.
	Hold on a second.
	We've got to call them back.
	We might actually have to try Mumble.
	I think this is a new thing with Skype.
	And I want to make sure that we...
	John's like, hey, it's ringing.
	Hey, you know what?
	You're right.
	You're not hearing me again.
	I'm hearing you now.
	Yeah, you are now, but it keeps going simplex.
	You know what?
	I think this would be the opportune moment for us to just switch to mumble and see if that works, because this is going to happen throughout the whole show.
	Okay, let's do it.
	All right, we're going to switch to mumble.
	Switching to mumble.
	Okay.
	This is going to be a nightmare.
	Let me see if I even have it set up here.
	Oh my goodness.
	Okay.
	I've got to move over here.
	This is going to be fun.
	Oh boy.
	Come on, Mumble.
	Are you starting?
	Ah, here we go.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	I can't believe this wasn't set up.
	Okay.
	At new, and it's...
	Okay.
	John's going to be sitting there waiting for me.
	Alright.
	See, connect.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay, let me just get the...
	Yeah, can you hear me?
	No, he can't hear me yet.
	Let me see.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Hold on a second.
	Can you hear me?
	Can you hear me now?
	Hold on a second.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	We're going to get this done, baby.
	You just can't hear me because I didn't have this one set up.
	Can you hear me now?
	You should be able to hear me.
	Let's see.
	222.
	You can hear me now.
	Can you hear me?
	Yeah, you can hear me now.
	I can't hear you.
	Yes, you can.
	Now you can.
	Hello, hello, hello.
	I had to change something.
	Yeah, you did.
	You did.
	It'll be worth it.
	Here, I do signal to noise.
	Testing.
	Yes, I hear you.
	I hear you beautifully.
	2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, check 2.
	Audio in.
	Yeah.
	Why did you change?
	We had it all set up.
	It was working beautifully.
	1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2.
	Fast track.
	I've got to keep talking so he can hear me.
	I'll edit all this out of the actual show, but at least we can...
	Have a...
	Hello?
	Yes, hello.
	I can hear you.
	I can hear you.
	Say something.
	Yes, hello.
	I am talking.
	I changed nothing.
	Yeah, you did.
	You must have.
	Got it.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You changed the interface, I think.
	1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2.
	No, I changed nothing.
	Right.
	It was default.
	Okay.
	USB. I can hear you now.
	You got me?
	I can hear you.
	Oh, good.
	Okay.
	Stop typing.
	Alright.
	I'm stopping typing.
	I'll cut most of that.
	I changed nothing.
	I closed the program when we talked last.
	Okay.
	And I have not reopened it for any circumstances.
	So what would I have changed?
	Can I ask you a question?
	Sure.
	Why are you getting all pissed off?
	Because you accused me of changing something.
	Well, you're not the most...
	And then you said, right.
	Because you're not the most technical guy in the world when it comes to this stuff.
	Bullshit.
	Oh!
	Okay.
	Alrighty.
	I should have recorded the whole thing when we set this up.
	That was hilarious.
	Anyway, it's working.
	It sounds great.
	Well, I'm glad I sound good because you sound like shit, but it's fine.
	Well, hold on.
	Let me just set it up right for you.
	No, don't change anything.
	If I sound good, that's all that counts.
	I know.
	I want it to be perfect.
	Hold on.
	Let me just...
	I'm going to give you better quality.
	No, here we go.
	No, it's going to be worth it.
	Hold on.
	You need to be able to hear the clips.
	All right.
	I can hear the clips.
	Yeah, but it won't be all that great.
	Okay, so this should be better.
	Does it sound better?
	Yeah, it does.
	Okay.
	Shut up, slave!
	Could you hear that?
	Yeah, I heard it.
	Perfect.
	All right.
	Now, where were we now that that's working?
	I think we should just use this from now on, man.
	Mumble is awesome.
	We'll see how long it lasts.
	What was the last thing I said that you cut me off on?
	I have no idea.
	I have no idea.
	I was talking about the WPA. No, were you?
	No, I thought you were talking about the infrastructure and how it's all messed up.
	Yeah, that's what I was talking about, the WPA. I was saying the money spent on the TSA people would be better spent on the WPA. What is WPA? The Works Project Administration, the thing that Roosevelt did.
	Oh, you mean the...
	What did Roosevelt do?
	I don't know what that is.
	Everybody was unemployed, but instead of making them all work for the TSA, now I'm getting a 100% echo back.
	You're getting an echo back?
	I can't help.
	I didn't change anything.
	Okay.
	Well, anyway, so maybe it's going to yell.
	Okay, whatever.
	Don't yell.
	Anyway, so when Roosevelt was in office, he put people to work by creating the Works Project Administration, which was an operation that just built bridges all over the place and painted buildings.
	And he also created the Civilian Conservation Corps, which cleaned up the National Park System.
	And that still exists, this WPA? No, no, they were closed.
	Oh, well, there's your answer, I guess.
	Well, no, but it was implemented for the purposes of giving schmucks jobs, like they now give them, instead of now giving them jobs that produce something, they put them in the work for the DHS. Yeah.
	In your Mumble, by the way, there's an Echo button you can set, and that'll fix that Echo if it's still happening to you.
	Okay, hold on.
	Let's see.
	Where's it?
	Under Audio Settings?
	Yeah, you've got to do Advanced, and then under Audio, I think it's under Input, there's an Echo button.
	It says Echo.
	I'm looking.
	At the top, under system?
	On the top, it says system, direct sound, exclusive, echo disabled.
	Oh.
	And you can't, uh, if you check exclusive, or is that all grayed out?
	That also doesn't work.
	Oh.
	Uh, and you're still getting the echo?
	Yeah.
	Well, that sucks.
	Well, I can live with it.
	No, it's not really nice.
	Let me change something here.
	What does ASIO mean?
	That is a...
	I think it's like a compression system that gives you extra great quality.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	The only thing I could do...
	Can you hear me?
	Yeah, I can hear you.
	Okay.
	Now I can change echo disabled mixed multi-channel.
	Well, hold on a second.
	I'm actually maybe...
	Let me think.
	I may be sending something back to you that's incorrect.
	Let me just see, John.
	Hold on a second.
	What are you doing?
	Whatever you're doing, stop doing that.
	That didn't sound very good.
	I didn't do anything.
	Oh, okay.
	Hold on a sec.
	Silence below.
	So...
	Alright, try it again.
	Testing 1, 2, 3.
	Again.
	Testing 1, 2, 3.
	Did you get it back at that time or not?
	I didn't hear much of it.
	No, it sounds good.
	Better.
	So it sounds good now, so it's not happening?
	I can't hear it.
	Okay, then I think we're good.
	Let's count to three to see how far apart we are in terms of the leg.
	Ready?
	Yeah, okay, you start.
	And I heard myself again.
	Great.
	One, two, three.
	Three, four, five.
	It's not bad.
	Okay, are you still hearing yourself?
	It's on and off.
	Okay.
	Like now I'm not, but then all of a sudden I will.
	Let me try.
	No, that's fine.
	I can live with this.
	Okay, can you hear me?
	Yes, I can hear you.
	And do you hear yourself now?
	No.
	You don't?
	Not at the moment.
	Okay, well then I think I fixed it.
	Okay, I think you fixed it.
	Let's get the show back.
	I haven't even stopped recording.
	This is all going out.
	People love this.
	No, I can't hear you.
	You can't hear me now?
	God.
	This is too funny.
	Whatever you did, you turned yourself off.
	Okay, how about now?
	I'm back, right?
	And you can hear me now?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Now say something.
	Testing one, two, three.
	And there's no echo.
	There was no echo?
	No, I can't hear you again.
	Yeah, you can hear me.
	You can hear me now.
	I know you can hear me.
	Hello, hello, hello.
	Nothing.
	Okay, how about now?
	Hmm.
	One, two.
	What are you doing?
	I can't hear a word you're saying.
	Can you hear me now?
	Hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello.
	Can you hear me?
	Can you hear me?
	I can hear you.
	All right.
	So you can hear me?
	All right.
	Then that's good.
	And there should be no echo.
	What were you doing?
	I'm trying to make it so you don't have an echo.
	I told you I don't have one right now.
	Alright, if you think we're bad...
	I can't hear you again.
	No, you're kidding me.
	That's crazy.
	You can definitely hear me now.
	I'm not changing anything.
	Ah, crap.
	Look, man, I don't...
	Now you're back.
	Yeah, but I'm not changing a single thing and then you say, I can't hear you.
	So maybe there's something on your end.
	It's always my fault.
	Yeah, of course.
	All right, let's go back, and if you think we're bad, let's listen to spokeshole Jay Carney, who, of course, now is being grilled.
	Let me switch back, since this seems to be intermittent, because I can't hear you again, to the old direct sound.
	Oh, I see.
	Yeah, yeah.
	The echo thing.
	Can you hear me?
	Yeah, I can hear you, but this is definitely something on your end.
	This is definitely a problem you've created.
	I'm getting nothing.
	I'm not changing anything.
	Hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello.
	I didn't change a thing.
	This has to be your end.
	There's no...
	No, you came back again.
	Yeah, but I'm not changing anything.
	Well, I'm not changing anything either.
	I just heard you say I'm going to switch back and do something.
	Yeah, about five minutes ago.
	Okay, can you hear me now?
	Are we good for now?
	Yes, I can hear you.
	Okay.
	Can I play a clip?
	Play the clip.
	...of a pre-planned attack.
	How come...
	Bill, let me just repeat now.
	Again, based on the information...
	How is it that the attackers had RPGs, you know, automatic weapons?
	Bill, I know you've done a little bit of reading about Libya since the unrest that began under Gaddafi.
	I love how Carney is continuing to try to Propagate the lie that this unrest and the killing of four Americans at the so-called consulate in Libya is because of this video.
	And the whole press corps is just laughing, laughing at him.
	You have to see this video.
	It's in the show notes, 448.nashownotes.com.
	While this Q&A is going on, they are smiling and snickering at the press secretary.
	The place is...
	No question about it.
	Do you expect a street mob to become armed that way?
	There are, unfortunately, many bad actors in that country, as there are throughout the region, and they're very armed.
	The point is, you can make suppositions about what happened.
	We prefer to have an investigation That looks very closely into what happened and assembles the facts and presents them.
	Based on all I'm saying...
	A lot of people on the ground have seen the fragments of the remains of the mortars and the heavy weapons that were used.
	We've made clear that there were armed.
	Did you see any of this?
	Thank you.
	No.
	You know, this guy is so annoying it's ridiculous.
	But it's interesting that they're holding on so firmly to this lie.
	And right on cue, by the way, all of a sudden we have the Libyans giving up their weapons.
	It's like someone went down there and said, alright, look, this is a real-ass problem we got here, so we want...
	Hey, you!
	You Libyans, come over here!
	And here's the report.
	Hundreds turned out in Tripoli and Benghazi to hand in weapons left over from last year's war.
	With governments struggling to impose, authority has launched the initiative in an attempt to make the country safer and crack down on armed militants.
	And they're showing people bringing in RPGs, like, yeah, I had this at home, and, you know, I didn't feel good about it anymore, so, well, here we go.
	Here's that report.
	Guns, bullets and even grenade launchers, all being handed in as Libya encourages people to give up their arms.
	Hundreds turned out in Tripoli and Benghazi to hand in weapons left over from last year's war.
	With the government struggling to impose authority, it's launched these collection drives to make the country safer and crack down on armed militants.
	I've handed over my weapon.
	We want our country to be safe and secure.
	The time of war is over.
	We got rid of the tyrant, thank God.
	This is so cool.
	Okay.
	Output failed.
	Uh, what?
	I think you should just do the show like this.
	Hello?
	Oh, God.
	Okay, I can hear you coming back, so I know you can hear me.
	Can you hear me?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I hear you fine.
	Can you hear me?
	Wow.
	Hello, I can hear you typing.
	Can you hear me talking?
	Yeah, yes, yes.
	Well, that's fine, but it's you I can't hear.
	Really?
	Okay, then you...
	Okay, well, great.
	I can't hear a word you're saying.
	It says output's failed.
	Restart mumble.
	And I can hear me coming back.
	Okay, I will do that.
	You're not hearing me?
	I'm not saying that this is so much better than anything else.
	Well...
	Okay.
	And he's gone.
	And we'll wait for him to come back.
	Okay.
	He's connected.
	And...
	Did you restart?
	Or...
	I'm back.
	Just reconnect.
	That's weird.
	I mean, it makes no sense.
	I killed the program and then restarted it.
	Okay.
	Now I can hear you.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, jiggle the handle next time.
	I'm going to have to slap it.
	Alright, so did you lose all of that report?
	Is that basically, you didn't hear any of it?
	I heard the beginning where Carney was mumbling and then you said something nasty about Carney and that was the end of it.
	Oh, you didn't even hear about the guns being returned?
	No.
	Oh.
	You want to hear that?
	Yeah, I think it'd be nice.
	I could hear that.
	I could go for listening to that.
	Guns, bullets, and even grenade launchers.
	All being handed in as Libya encourages people to give up their arms.
	Hundreds turned out in Tripoli and Benghazi to hand in weapons left over from last year's war.
	You can hear this?
	Yeah.
	With the government struggling to impose authority...
	No, I can't hear anything.
	Really?
	So you can't hear me?
	After you ask that question, now you're just dead.
	Hmm.
	That is, well, then let's go back to Skype then, I guess.
	This needs more testing.
	Curiously, the VU meter's going crazy.
	I'm just not getting any sound.
	Well, it's a mystery.
	And you killed Skype?
	Apparently.
	You killed Skype?
	Yes, Skype is not on.
	I killed Skype completely.
	There's nothing else running on this machine.
	It's pretty dedicated.
	Alright, let's go back to Skype then.
	Let's go back to Skype then.
	Okay.
	How unfortunate.
	Alright.
	Yeah, that was basically the computer voice, I think, that I was hearing.
	But I was hearing it, and I know what happened, and I can tell them right now.
	I know exactly what happened, because it was...
	Let's call them first.
	We'll get back to all...
	We'll get back to the news in a second.
	This is worth it.
	So, here's what's weird, John.
	Here's what's weird that...
	Okay, go on.
	Okay.
	So, when I... You couldn't hear me, yet I was...
	I was typing in mumble, and I could hear the computer voice reading that back on your end.
	So, somewhere...
	I don't understand how...
	Why would that be weird?
	Because it's loud.
	Yeah, but...
	And it's going through my microphone.
	And you can hear me.
	Okay.
	So, there's got to be something with your...
	Yeah, I know.
	It's obviously my fault.
	I changed nothing.
	I just ran it.
	It ran fine.
	You're yakking away, yakking away, yakking away, and then you go dead completely, and then you come back.
	And so, I mean, why is this not perhaps a problem with the software?
	Why would this be anything that you could associate with my setup?
	Okay.
	When it works fine and then stops out of the blue and then works fine again.
	I don't know.
	And I'm not touching anything.
	I don't know.
	You're the guy that has the helium stuff and all the other stuff.
	Yeah, I know, but you've already figured out why that is.
	That's a bad driver for the M-Audio device.
	Right, but there were weeks and weeks of you saying...
	This is not my fault.
	It's not my rig.
	You went on and on about that, and we turned out it was.
	So I'm just saying it's possible.
	I know, but we had an exact rationale for why the M-Audio device was the problem because of the driver, because somebody looked it up.
	There was a driver problem, and that was only a reason that started happening.
	Here's what I think it is.
	I think I know what it is, and it doesn't make any difference, but I think I know what the problem is.
	I believe, because it has an auto-echo-canceling feature, that the software is, my audio is coming out of your speakers, but your microphone is picking it up, and Mumble is trying to make that not happen, so it is therefore shutting down your audio.
	If you put on headphones, which I know you won't do, so we don't have to do anything, I think the problem would go away.
	I could put on headphones.
	You'll be amazed.
	And the problem will not go away.
	Okay.
	You want to put money on that?
	Here's all I want.
	If the problem does go away, will you admit that the problem was on your end?
	And if the problem doesn't go away, I'll admit the problem is on my end.
	Is that fair?
	Yeah, sure.
	Okay, then I'm going to call you.
	Then again, of course, it could be the...
	We'll meet back on Mumble.
	Okay, bye.
	Oh, this is awesome.
	Hey, this is what these road shows are for.
	This is exactly what they're for.
	To test out stuff.
	Alright, I'm back.
	I'm in.
	Let's see.
	Where's John?
	I could be wrong, of course.
	That would suck, but I could be wrong.
	Yeah, thank you.
	I think people are on my side on this one.
	Uh, let me, uh, put a little music in here while we're waiting for John to connect.
	All right, place your bets.
	Rien ne va plus.
	Here we go, everybody.
	Now the question is, should I leave this in the show or should I be editing this out?
	That's the big question.
	Depends.
	Oh boy, he's back.
	Here you go.
	And so you have headphones on now.
	Yeah, but I'm not getting anything through the headphones.
	Well, I can hear myself coming back, so...
	That's because I'm not getting anything through the headphones.
	Right, but you are receiving me.
	It's just not through the headphones.
	What, are you typing?
	No, I'm talking.
	I have to change the settings so it's going through the M-Audio both ways.
	Okay, good.
	Do that.
	Say something.
	1-2-1-2...
	1-2...
	Say something.
	1-2-1-2...
	I am talking...
	No, okay, just keep playing the music.
	Before...
	Before it's crap, it's pre-crap.
	Alright, everyone says leave it in the show.
	Alright, 1-2-1-2-1-2.
	I can't believe that this is like we have so much media to assassinate.
	That's where the headphone jack is, so I should be able to click on fast track.
	Let's put it this way.
	If I'm right, everyone has to donate.
	If I'm wrong, everyone has to donate.
	How's that sound?
	Alright, I gotta read along with chat room here.
	John, you need to put the headphones on your head.
	Let's see.
	Jesse, one, two, three.
	Yes, one, two, three.
	Mix.
	Output.
	Oh boy, hello, hello, hello.
	He doesn't want to talk to this thing.
	I'm leaving all of this in.
	Hey, you know what?
	This is the beauty.
	If you're listening to this as a podcast, you can always fast forward.
	Oh my goodness.
	This, by the way, is the Ride of the Valkyries by Wagner, which we always play before we begin the show.
	It's not going to...
	The only way I'm going to use headphones is because the device that is playing...
	Well, no.
	There's no other way of doing this.
	It has to go through the audio headphone output, which usually works.
	But for some reason, I put it on fast track and it says, we don't care.
	And I can't get any sound to the headphones.
	From this thing, so I'm done.
	Alright, so you must put headphones on your...
	Oh, he already disconnected.
	Ah, crap.
	Alright.
	That's a shame.
	He says he can't do it.
	Alright, well, I don't know.
	I was able to do it.
	Ay, ay, ay, ay, ay.
	That's very sad.
	I find it sad.
	Sad.
	Alright.
	Okay.
	I'll just stop that.
	And let's go back.
	Hmm.
	Hello?
	Yes?
	A suggestion from the chat room is you have to put the headphones on your head.
	Yeah, very funny.
	Johnny, tell this chat room to fuck themselves.
	All right, Josh.
	It's okay.
	You know what?
	No matter what happens, I'm letting you talk.
	It's good.
	I'm okay with Skype completely cutting me off.
	I really appreciate you trying.
	It's too bad.
	Please, let's play one of your clips.
	I need to get back to the show.
	Yes, I think the show needs to be before we have another five hour show because we're losing track of time.
	Yes, so let's get back on track.
	And by the way, I'm leaving all this in.
	It was brilliant.
	Genius.
	If people don't like it, they can fast forward.
	Welcome back, everybody.
	Okay, so I've got a couple of things here.
	By the way, so today's New York Times comes.
	Yes.
	And instead of being in the blue crappy rapper...
	Yeah, like the Cheap Jack rapper, you mean?
	Yeah, you've seen it, right?
	Yep.
	You've seen it in the New York Times.
	It's in a blue rapper.
	Yeah, well, sometimes it comes in pink, but yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, it does come in pink.
	So now it came in a printed rapper plugging the show...
	Oh, no.
	Revolution?
	No, no, no.
	It wasn't Revolution.
	It was the Revenge.
	I don't know the show Revenge.
	Oh no, Revenge is a reasonably entertaining show, but it's nothing you want to DVR. Anyway, so I thought that was a unique new use of the distribution model.
	Meanwhile, Revolution, which I think is going down the toilet, they're starting to plug the crap out of it to make people think that you have to check it out.
	And I do have a plug here for it.
	We can get the power going.
	We can bring back the United States.
	More than 29 million people have made Revolution the must-watch breakout hit of the season.
	We fight them off!
	New Revolution, Monday after The Voice, here on NBC. Right.
	The 29 million, are they counting all three episodes?
	Is that how...
	It's not 29 million per episode that people are watching, that's for sure.
	No, it's impossible.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Anyway, so Romney's going to be, this is the, Wednesday's going to be the big day.
	We'll talk about it on Thursday.
	Yep.
	Romney, this is interesting.
	Apparently Obama's not going to be the nice guy that he was with McCain.
	Play debate preview.
	That we disagree without being disagreeable.
	Interesting.
	A lot of these undecided voters watching this want to see Washington work a little bit better.
	We could see more of that.
	Oh, I think they have more of a strategy, though, of being aggressive and that the president's going to try to get under Governor Romney's skin.
	Oh, really?
	Not try to...
	No, I think they believe that Mitt Romney is his own worst enemy, and I think that they believe if they get him irritated, that if you look at his past, Ted Kennedy debates, he's terrible at cutaways when he's getting attacked, the $10,000 bet, bet you $10,000, that it is easy, they believe it is easy to get under Governor Romney's head.
	I expect a very aggressive President Obama, not the one you saw there.
	What do you see?
	Two men.
	So, John, as the Curry Dvorak Consulting Group, as we would write the script, which, of course, this entire thing will be scripted, how do you think it's going to play out?
	Are we going to see cutaways where either the president looks weird or Romney looks weird, or are we going to have Romney say something?
	It's going to be a smackdown.
	I mean, something brilliant has to happen here for the ratings, obviously.
	Well, there's a couple of things.
	One is there's going to be, as somebody pointed this out, if you play the clip, the clever line theory of debating, well, before you play it, this may not be the same clip.
	This is Reagan doing one.
	These guys all agree that both these candidates have a couple of zingers.
	Uh-huh.
	And they exemplify it by what Reagan did with the Mondale, and I think it would be the clever line theory of debating will be the clip.
	Okay.
	One way to do that is to have a clever line.
	And no one could deliver a line like Ronald Reagan.
	Also, I will not make age an issue of this campaign.
	I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience.
	With those words, Reagan turned concern that he'd gotten old and dotty on its head.
	Challenger Walter Mondale said later, when I heard that, I knew I had lost.
	So there's no doubt that when it comes to written jokes, President Obama will just totally obliterate Romney.
	No doubt about it.
	I would agree, but I think one of our challenges, and maybe the listeners might, we have to be able to catch the zingers, and then, let's both of us have a challenge, we have to catch the zingers and then report back on them.
	Okay, can we do that?
	But there's going to be one each.
	What do you mean, one each?
	Why are you putting limitations on me?
	I don't think Obama's going to go out there with a million one-liners, I hope.
	All I want is for us to report this on Mumble.
	Because you will have this fixed for the next show because it will work once you get the headphones sorted out.
	I'm going to be in Port Angeles for the next show.
	Perfect!
	And I won't have Mumble up there.
	You can download it and install it?
	Yeah, then I have to reset.
	We went through a lot of work to reset it to the settings that we had.
	Okay.
	We'll do Skype for you.
	No, no, no, no.
	It'll be fine.
	It'll be fine.
	You know what I think?
	Okay, here's the other one.
	Um...
	This is the summary of debate strategies.
	This is kind of interesting because everybody believes that this debate is going to be the only debate that's important.
	If Romney doesn't show up, then the election's over.
	For those of us who serve with him as governors, we're shocked he's been such a poor candidate.
	Because he was a good governor, he was a good governor, he did some very impressive things, and he's made every mistake in the book.
	So you can't just subscribe to the fact that President Obama's been a good candidate.
	He's a good candidate with a very tough economy.
	But to some extent those were problems that were hard for him to overcome.
	The way he could have humanized himself, one of the ways was to talk about his religion.
	That was very difficult during the course of this campaign with a conservative evangelical base that was suspicious of Mormonism.
	The other thing he could have done was to talk about his record of governor.
	Well, one of the main things of his record of governor was health care reform in Massachusetts.
	That also was very hard for him to do.
	He's talking about it now.
	He should have talked about it earlier.
	It's a big achievement to cover 98% of the people.
	Let's put this in the context of the debates, Chuck.
	Are you surprised that Christie has decided?
	And do you think the campaign, the Romney campaign, is pleased with him saying, hey, first debate hits it out of the park.
	Thursday morning, things are going to be totally different.
	Thank you, Chris Christie, though, for at least actually making the quote, whatever you want to call it, the gaffe, the honest gaffe.
	The fact of the matter is that has to be what happens after this first debate.
	The narrative has to change.
	The polls have to move.
	Romney has to clobber the president in the first debate.
	Right.
	So, in many ways, are they happy with it?
	I kind of think they needed the pep talk.
	Okay, I think the base needs the pep talk.
	They need to think that they have confidence in their guy, that he can stand toe-to-toe with the president.
	Now, I think this idea that they're both sides playing this ridiculous expectations game...
	Another thing, I don't think either one of them are great one-on-one debaters.
	Romney hasn't proven that he's good on the second pivot, the second time you challenge, on the follow.
	That's where he made his mistakes during the primary debates.
	And Obama has a tendency to ramble.
	And I think that's going to be interesting.
	Okay.
	Alright, so that's going to be...
	So, in other words, this is going to be the only debate, so this will be important.
	That's the only reason I got these clips.
	What do you mean this will be the only...
	He's not going to win anything.
	Oh, okay.
	And then the final thing is they had the weird thing about this show.
	They had, of all people, the...
	You remember Ralph Reed?
	Yes, if you can hear me, I do.
	He was a...
	I guess he was kind of kicked out of the...
	He was a very important person in the Republican Party during much of the early Bush campaign, and then he was caught with his...
	I don't know, he got some corruption.
	Oh, not in a toilet?
	He was a major Christian guy.
	And we haven't heard from him since we started our show.
	Okay.
	So he's come back as a consultant, and he's one of the smartest guys I think I've ever run into in terms of, like, ability to throw talking points together.
	And I guess he's doing something with Romney.
	He gives Romney here all the talking points you're going to be hearing on the debates, I predict, and Dick Gregory, or Chip Gregory, or Fred Gregory.
	George Gregory.
	Ends up cutting them off and then going to a commercial, which is classic stuff you see on these networks.
	And I need to know which clip it is.
	And that would be Romney talking points.
	Ah!
	Coming at you.
	He said that unemployment would never go above 8% if we passed a stimulus plan.
	It's never gone below 8%.
	He said that he would cut the deficit in half in his first term.
	He's doubled it, and he's increased the national debt by 50%.
	He said he would change Washington and put an end to the partisan rancor.
	Washington is more polarized and more paralyzed than it's been in the modern era.
	The Senate, which his party controls, has not passed a budget in three years, and we're 92 days from a fiscal cliff.
	Which the CBO says is going to plummet us into a double check.
	Those might be broken promises.
	I think people would challenge you on the idea that those things are lies or some kind of casual relationship.
	I want to get a break in here because we're going to come back for more about these debates.
	We've got to go to a break.
	You know what?
	Here's...
	Okay, so here are my talking points.
	Here's, and this has been launched, by the way, and it's a total scam, and I think it's hilarious, but this is what the real talking points are that are being put out onto the interwebs.
	Yes!
	Everybody in Cleveland, low minority, got Obama phone!
	Keep Obama in president, you know?
	He gave us a phone!
	He gave you a phone.
	Did you see the Obama phone lady?
	Have you seen this video?
	No.
	Oh, this is great!
	This is the Obama phone lady.
	And by the way, this was started by, I think even Clinton started this.
	If you're on welfare...
	You can get a wireline service.
	You get basically a telephone for nothing.
	But, of course, our government has moved along with the times.
	And if you're on welfare, then you can register and get a cell phone.
	It's not like an iPhone 5, okay?
	But you get a cell phone with, I think, 250 minutes a month.
	Which is basically for emergencies.
	And this has been policy in America for a long time.
	But now they've got this great video of this lady.
	And it repeats.
	I'll play it in another 30 seconds.
	And she's like, Obama gave us a phone and Romney sucks.
	This is basically it.
	Here it comes.
	How do he give you a phone?
	You sign up.
	You on full stamps.
	You on social security.
	You got low income.
	You disability.
	Hey, listen.
	Okay, what's wrong with Romney again?
	Romney, he sucks.
	Hey!
	Listen to the beginning game where she's yelling about the phone.
	You got Obama phone?
	Yes!
	Everybody in Cleveland, low minority, got Obama phone.
	Keep Obama in president, you know?
	He gave us a phone.
	He's gonna do more.
	How do you...
	It cracks me up every single time.
	I haven't seen it, but it sounds fake.
	Oh, it's totally set up.
	It's totally set up.
	There's a whole bunch of set-up people by the side of the road who are protesting Romney or something.
	It's a scam.
	It's part of the scam thing.
	It's kind of a racist scam, don't you think?
	Kind of!
	But the whole thing is funny because people actually buy into this and they're like...
	Look at these a-holes, you know, and by the way, of course, totally racist.
	Look at these black a-holes.
	All they want is a free phone.
	Where it's like, you know, this is nothing new.
	And it's a total setup, but it is, by the way, the woman is not an actor.
	I mean, she's, you know, she's been clearly, she's on drugs.
	There's no doubt about it.
	But it's hilarious.
	And this is being passed around the internet like, look how crappy Obama's policies are.
	It's just funny.
	It's just funny.
	Now I'm going to have to go see it.
	And I can't go do it now.
	I'll sound like helium.
	Yeah, but that's in the show notes at 448.nashownotes.com.
	You can find that under the video section.
	Okay, so I'm looking forward to that.
	I have no idea.
	Probably since this is put out by the Romney campaign, he'll be stupid enough to bring up the Obama phone.
	That's how dumb he is.
	No, he's not that dumb.
	I don't know, man.
	When he's in a pinch.
	No, he won't because, like you said, the phone went during the Bush administration.
	I mean, they've been giving people deals on phones for a while.
	Yeah, but he's not good in a pinch.
	I don't think the guy has any...
	You think the guy's an idiot?
	Excuse me?
	You think Romney's an idiot?
	Well, here's what I think.
	By the way, I'm not going to argue with you if you feel that way.
	No, he's not.
	Obviously, he and Obama, in that regard, are both idiots.
	That's neither here nor there.
	But when it comes to speaking to people and just communicating to a mass audience, Romney, it is impossible for him...
	To do that, he reminds me of a VC, of a venture capitalist.
	And you've been with VC guys, and they can talk a big game, and they can talk about blah-de-blah-de-blah, invest and return and all this stuff, but when they have to talk to an actual human being about something kind of normal, they don't possess the skills.
	Do you know what I mean?
	I've seen this behavior.
	They just don't know how to talk like normal people.
	And that's what people need to hear.
	So I don't know how they're going to train this guy to do that because he comes across as a moronic robot.
	He comes across a little stiff.
	Yeah, that's my version.
	Okay, that's what you call a moronic robot.
	No, he doesn't have it.
	And what in God's name can he do to endear himself so that the public will buy into that?
	I mean, we obviously choose our presidents the same way that we buy our soap powder.
	You know, it's whatever works on television.
	This guy does not have it.
	He's back from the 50s when we wanted the clean-cut, square-jawed president.
	You know, the Republican Party are boneheads for thinking this guy would be anything near what they need to win.
	There's no way!
	No way!
	No way.
	Ever.
	Not in a hundred million years.
	Unless, you know, they rig the voting machines.
	Which is a real possibility.
	Meanwhile, we have a very interesting election race going on in Georgia.
	And I'm not talking about the state.
	But I'm talking about the country.
	Now, of course, we know the importance of Georgia for the Caspian Sea, for the pipelines that are running primarily for the Russians.
	And we have the Kremlin now.
	Have brought in their own shill.
	We're going to see another color revolution.
	This is how Shakasvili, the crazy Thai-eating guy with the smoking hot wife, got into power in the first place through the Rose Revolution.
	And this, of course, was completely sponsored by the Bush administration.
	And the current administration has carried on with that.
	And, of course, we had Hillary Clinton there just recently and making nice...
	And so now these guys have put in a shill billionaire and it looks like he's actually going to change things dramatically and turn over Georgia to the Russians so that they can enjoy all of the benefits of the gas pipes.
	Tens of thousands of supporters of Georgia's opposition coalition have rallied ahead of tomorrow's parliamentary elections.
	Tension's been rising after days of demonstrations over a prison brutality scandal that's come to dominate the campaign.
	The leader of the six-party Georgian Dream told the crowd in Tbilisi the days of the current government under President Saakashvili were numbered.
	Bidzina Ivanishvili used his final appeal to voters to challenge the government's record.
	All people are standing by us, including ethnic minorities, Azerbaijanis, Armenians, Jews.
	This is a great example to show the whole world that our nation deserves real democracy and real success.
	The billionaire has come under scrutiny over his Russian fortune, believed to be worth almost half of Georgia's economic output and alleged links to the Kremlin.
	The prison scandal has diverted attention from him, but it's also increased tensions.
	TV reports exposed prison guards abusing inmates.
	The government told Euronews it recognized there was a problem.
	Torture was systemic in Georgian police, and it's not like that any longer.
	But prison system was somehow neglected.
	It was considered that prisons are calm, so it was considered that, okay, there might be some problems, but not so serious.
	Now, you may be thinking that America and its allies are just sitting idly by and letting all this take place.
	Well, of course, we can't, so we pull out something, an old rabbit out of the hat.
	Western organizations have called for restraint amid fears of election violence.
	The votes will be followed by a presidential election next year, after which power is due to be largely devolved to the new prime minister.
	So, of course, we're going to have observers on the ground who will be making sure that everything goes exactly, you know, fairly according to plan.
	And, of course, there will be riots incited by techno experts on many sides of many fences.
	So, this will be a fun one to watch.
	Observers.
	The Russians should bring observers over to our country.
	Well, you know, yes, that would be good.
	I can just see that happening.
	So there was a...
	Anyway, go on.
	Well, so voting will be concluded by tomorrow, and we'll see what happens.
	But I think that there's so many distractions happening for the U.S. and our allied forces that I think Putin's going to get Georgia back.
	I think he's actually going to pull it off.
	It might.
	That'll be the end of the George Bush airport.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	It'll be Vlad airport now.
	So, what else we got?
	Oh, tons of stuff.
	I'm kind of looking to you.
	Oh, well, I'm going to run out of material because I lost a bunch of clips, including a great Stossel clip where he's at the University of North Carolina going over the new rules they have there where there's a clampdown on free speech in a lot of universities.
	It's a very good thing I can summarize.
	It's apparently now against the rules and you get expelled for telling a dirty joke or any joke that has a sexual connotation.
	Oh?
	You cannot, there's no way that you can ask or even imply that you want to have sex with somebody.
	Really?
	Yeah, Stossel said that means the way that he reads it is that means the only way you can have sex is to rape someone.
	And he went on and on.
	It was quite interesting.
	And apparently there's this group that is called Fire, F-I-R-E dot org, I think, that is going to have to sue them over all these.
	And when I started thinking about it, these were all politically correct ideas that I think all stem from Sheville.
	Yeah, I don't like calling it Sheeville.
	I find that to be quite nasty, actually.
	I just like to call it Asheville.
	I think that's a little more correct.
	I'm just trying to figure out why, of all places, North Carolina, the home of Jesse Helms, has gotten this unbelievably politically correct.
	Well, I think you just, you know, look, they want to shut us down regardless.
	I mean, I don't see why that's so...
	It doesn't seem like that's all out of the ordinary of the program.
	So, you know, do it in schools.
	Isn't that kind of what it's all about?
	Isn't that where you teach the slaves how they're supposed to be?
	It's getting to look like that, which is depressing.
	Speaking of which, when I was in Chicago, it was Chuck and his lovely wife who had invited us, and we did the whole conference, etc., and And they had already been complaining to me.
	I think we even talked on the show about some program that had started in their...
	They have two sons, young sons, and some program had started in school and they were kind of wary of what was going on.
	So this time we met them, they've both decided to homeschool their kids, which apparently in Illinois is very easy, and they call it unschooling, not homeschooling, but unschooling.
	Well, that's...
	Hold.
	Hold.
	Unschooling is a specific type of homeschooling.
	Oh, tell me about it.
	Unschooling, which we know people who have practiced this, is not schooling the kids at all.
	It's just to let them do their own thing.
	You don't give them classes, you don't have them read books.
	If they don't want to learn how to read, that's too bad.
	Yeah, that sounds right.
	It's unschooling.
	There's no schooling.
	It's not homeschooling.
	It's no schooling.
	Right.
	Unschooling.
	Sounds good.
	Sounds like a winner.
	The result of all unschooled people are complete idiots.
	Uh-huh.
	You had this on high authority?
	Yeah, by the kids that we know that have been unschooled.
	Okay.
	So, do you think that there can be a period of unschooling up until a certain age?
	These are like the women who have babies and they think it's bad to change their diapers and let them crawl around the house and crap all over the place.
	No, that's not like them.
	That's absolutely not like them.
	Unschooling is the same thing.
	I have to disagree.
	Now, I think they may have been misusing the word.
	I think they were just misusing the word.
	They said unschooling.
	They may have meant homeschooling.
	But unschooling is very specific to people that do not educate their kids at all.
	Okay.
	Well, I think that there was a misuse of the word.
	But let me tell you the reason why they pulled their kids out of school, what the straw was that broke the camel's back.
	They had a slave exercise in school, and this is Chicago school, where half the kids, they had their hands bound with, you know, like plastic, you know, one of those, you know, the plastic handcuffs.
	This was at Marquita Side High School?
	I don't know what the name of the...
	It's not a high school.
	These kids are in lower school.
	The S&M Grammar School?
	So they were like maybe rubber bands or whatever.
	So they had their wrists bound together, half the class, and then they had to go into an auditorium and they all had to lay down side by side like the slaves were in the slave ship with the lights out and they had to stay that way and they weren't allowed to move so they could witness what it was like to be a slave.
	Nothing like it would...
	Okay.
	But, yeah.
	That's fine.
	Whoever came up with that idea should have been fired.
	Right.
	But then when they brought this up, what they got from the school was, well, you're the only parents who have complained about it, which I believe, by the way.
	Yeah, it's possible because most parents don't even know what's going on and the kids don't say anything.
	But how crazy is that?
	That's scandalous.
	It should have been an article in the Chicago Tribune.
	It's insane.
	Yeah, in fact, I think they should write the article.
	Actually, someone says that it might have been written up somewhere.
	Yeah, it was at Oprah Elementary School, actually.
	That's where it took place.
	But I'm just like, wow.
	I was like, that's actually happening in public school in Chicago?
	By the way, a predominantly white public school, I would have to point out.
	Go try this on the south side of Chicago.
	See what happens then.
	Yeah, really.
	I was just, I was really surprised.
	I was like, oh my God.
	Well, there's a million of these stories about these schools and they're always trying these crazy ideas and it's like pointless and it's not educational at all.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Maybe they just, I don't know.
	I hadn't heard of this before, and I was like, oh my god, that's pretty outrageous.
	And then one other thing I heard, which I wanted to share with you, regarding China and Japan and these islands.
	I bumped into...
	I were here in Los Angeles for Ms.
	Mickey's art show.
	One of her good friends has...
	Actually, he's now an architect in China, and he lives in Beijing.
	And he's one of these guys that really has immersed himself into the Chinese culture.
	In fact, it's kind of annoying, because when he's talking to you, he'll say something...
	He'll answer you, but he'll say it in Chinese first, and then dissect the sentence.
	So he'll be like...
	I want to hand you the coffee mug.
	And he does that with every sentence.
	So it was very tiring to get the following story out of him.
	Because I said, what is the deal with these clearly government sponsored riots about these stupid islands that no one cares about?
	And he gave me, which I thought was a really, really good answer.
	And it is indeed that the Chinese are still extremely pissed about the Japanese and the Scorched Earth campaign.
	What was it called, John?
	The...
	The Rape of Manchuria?
	Yes, where they, I mean, they literally, they, I mean, they just hacked people to bits, right?
	They were cutting women's breasts off, and just, it was really, really a horrible thing, right?
	They killed a lot of people.
	Yeah, and they, so they occupied this little tiny nation, Japan, compared to China, occupied China for, how long was it?
	Well, it was only this one area of China, Manchukuo.
	I don't know how long it was.
	It was almost a decade, I believe.
	But it was based on this incredible fear and terror that they had brought upon the Chinese people because of these atrocities that they had committed upon these Chinese people.
	And so, you know, the guy's like, you know, this is because of this.
	I said, well, but why do the Chinese still care?
	I mean, it makes no sense.
	Why are they still pissed off about this?
	And then he said, ah, you have to understand, this is because of a movie.
	And this is what I thought was really interesting.
	Christian Bale did a movie called The Flowers of War.
	And this came out this past Christmas in China.
	And it was by a very famous Chinese director, Zhang Yimou, I think is how you pronounce it.
	But he's done the House of Flying Daggers.
	He's done tons of big movies.
	But having Christian Bale in this, and he says, if you go see that movie, which I have not yet seen on Netflix, the Japanese, and it of course is exactly about what happened, About these atrocities.
	But he says the Japanese have been portrayed as these hairy...
	You know, the makeup is like they're hairy.
	They've got these really crazy slitty eyes that have this crazy look in them.
	Exactly the way that we discussed on the previous episode.
	You know, how the Germans were depicted to get World War I started.
	Et cetera, et cetera.
	How we're now portraying the Syrian regime.
	He says it's all because this movie and the Chinese...
	They're so feeble-minded, his words...
	That they really don't know anything, that when they saw this movie, they just went into a complete frenzy, and this has been used continuously by the Chinese government to drive them into this crazy demonstration mode.
	Yeah, I heard there was something going on, because there's an anniversary, I guess, of this.
	The Manchu state began in 1932, and then the Empire of Manchuria began in 1934, and this was the occupation of China by the Japanese ended in 1945.
	And then on the Japanese side...
	By the way...
	If you can find the book, there's a really good book written about this that kind of gets you a feeling for what it was like.
	It's called Bushido.
	Bushido?
	I don't know the author's name, but it was written in the 40s, I think.
	And so on the Japanese side, according to the Chinese, and our friend, it's really the Tokyo mayor, he's the one that's saying, oh, we're going to go by the islands, and this guy's just an a-hole.
	And he actually is up for re-election, and so he's kind of posturing and pandering.
	Again, it's basically the elites going back and forth.
	And of course, the real deal is about the gas and the oil, which he didn't even know about.
	This is what was interesting.
	He's like, oh, I don't know about any gas or oil around those islands.
	Yeah, you might want to look into that.
	But it's just amazing how...
	Because we've seen the riots, and you and I were both like, oh, this is all set up.
	And it is kind of, but the mind control has come once again through media.
	And I just find that fascinating that this one movie has been able to do that.
	It doesn't surprise you, though.
	No, it doesn't surprise me, but I mean, it was nice to get some kind of confirmation, and now I think we should go watch the movie.
	Yeah, I think we should.
	I'm gonna show myself mood by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda.
	Let's go watch the movie!
	In the morning.
	Yeah, might as well.
	Let's thank a few people for helping us out on this show.
	Corey Gigliotti in...
	Coquitlam.
	Coquitlam.
	I'm sorry.
	Coquitlam.
	Port Coquitlam in BC, Canada.
	Canada.
	One, two, three, four, five.
	Home of the Canadian hero Terry Fox and the Canadian mass killer Robert Picton.
	Very nice.
	I've been saying that's not a great question.
	Much too often not to pass along some thanks for the best podcast in the universe.
	Thanks for all you do in the Karma Shot for your continued success.
	Thank you very much.
	You've got karma.com.
	Riley Henneman in Seattle, Washington, not too far from B.C., 11, 11, 11.
	Interesting.
	Been a listener for three weeks.
	Oh, and brand new to the show.
	Welcome.
	Devouring past shows at an unsettling pace.
	Considering the hours of value bestowed upon me so far, the donation is a pittance for not donating my first day listening.
	Huh.
	Give me a Hey Citizen 2 to the head, little girl, shut up, slave.
	Hey Citizen 2 to the head, little girl, shut up, slave.
	Hey Citizen 2 to the head, shut up, slave.
	There you go.
	Hmm.
	IntelliSolve Corporation from Wildwood, Missouri.
	$111.11 from Russ in Wildwood.
	The dedication that John and Adam have shown over the past five years in developing the best podcast in the universe is outstanding.
	Oh no, please don't ask for a jobs job.
	Oh, he's doing it.
	No!
	He'd appreciate some jobs, jobs, jobs karma.
	Just give him some karma.
	We'll get the jobs, jobs, jobs thing later.
	You've got karma.
	In case you didn't know it, or in case you didn't realize it, I'm still on the road.
	We're still in Los Angeles.
	The next two shows will be road shows once again.
	So there are some things, you know, there's some Skype issues and some other issues, but we're still bringing you the show.
	And he also didn't bring the jobs, jobs, jobs, because nobody's asked for it until last show.
	But now it's become like a big joke.
	It's like, oh, let's ask Adam for jobs, jobs, jobs.
	That'll be hilarious.
	Tony Marengo in Chicago.
	Five-year anniversary.
	Kate and I have enjoyed listening to you from the heart of Gitmo Nation.
	Corruption, Chicago, Illinois.
	Here's 5555 from each of us in the morning.
	Sir Howard Guttknecht.
	Guttknecht.
	Guttknecht.
	In Seattle, Washington.
	102.
	This is a happy birthday donation for his son, Kerry, who turns 30 on October 2nd, off-stream.
	He's going to be around.
	Right.
	He's in D.C. Peter McConnell in Stockholm, New Jersey.
	$100.
	Donation is in honor of my brother Jim, who turns 37 this week.
	He could use a dedouching some huntsman karma so that he'll finally come visit his little brother in China.
	Oh, that's nice.
	Oh, he's actually in Suzhou.
	Pete and Suzhou.
	I've been there.
	It's a cool little town, I have to say.
	I don't know.
	It's probably been changed since I was there.
	It was 10 years ago.
	Yeah, they probably have a statue of the amusement park.
	There was a small roller coaster.
	They have a statue of John C. Dvorak there.
	You should go back and see what happens.
	If he's there, I know exactly what to ask him for.
	All right, let me give him a little.
	Happy birthday, Jim, and thanks, John and Adam, for the great analysis and no ads.
	That's right.
	You've been de-douched.
	You've got karma.
	El Cid Campyador in Sapulpa, Oklahoma.
	El Cid Campyador from the fifth column.
	Since donations are low, big karma shot for the greatest podcast in the universe.
	Keep up the great.
	We're $100.
	How awesome is El Cid?
	You've got karma.
	I mean, he donates every single week.
	He donates, yes.
	It doesn't go unnoticed, El Cid.
	Thank you so much.
	How come he's not a Sir El Cid?
	He might be very soon.
	Kevin in San Diego, 8343.
	This is Night Me Now.
	He's got to give us some numbers and it looks like he's a knight.
	Yeah, yeah.
	WJRA Audio Design.
	Give me a call.
	In the morning, John and Adam.
	This is Will J. Robertson.
	This 7910 is for my birthday on Monday, October the 1st.
	And the year I was born, yes, that makes this my 33rd magic number birthday.
	That's a magic number.
	Also, strangely enough, my brother Cameron's birthday is Tuesday the 2nd.
	We are six years and a day apart.
	Apparently, the parents only screwed once a year.
	Oh, John!
	On the same exact day.
	Uh-huh.
	We're six years in a day apart.
	He's younger than I and not a listener or donor, though I keep trying.
	Anyways, I could use a karma shot for my new dating site that I'm starting.
	It is secondamendmentmatch.com aimed at those of us who love our freedom to bear arms and seek a match who shares that interest.
	Oh, hold on a second.
	Gun shooters.
	Hold on a second.
	Let me check this site out.
	Hold on a second.
	Secondamendmentmatch.com.
	This sounds like a winner.
	Hold on.
	Second...
	It's so catchy, too, to write it in.
	Amendmentmatch.com.
	Let's see.
	If I have a...
	Oh.
	Secondamendment...
	Oh, gosh.
	Maybe he hasn't got it up yet.
	No, no.
	Well, this is the problem.
	It's, you know, it's a second...
	It's not easy to type in.
	Well, spell it when you put it up.
	There it is.
	Secondamendmentmatch.com.
	Seeking funding.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Sounds like a Kickstarter project.
	Sounds good, man.
	My idea to go well is your no-agenda dating site, even less than the show.
	Keep up the great work and all the best in Los Palos, California.
	And here we go, right?
	Well, hold on, hold on.
	First, he needs his karma shot.
	Let me give that to him.
	Karma, yes.
	He's got karma.
	Uh, yeah, okay.
	Now I'm ready for you.
	69!
	69, dudes!
	Hey now!
	Okay, so I counted up last show, 69-69, and it was the record breaker of all time.
	It was the mother of all 69-69 donation days.
	Yay.
	With 22.
	Wow.
	Can we beat it?
	No.
	No.
	Well, let's find out.
	Gary Studdard, $69.69, value for value.
	No comment from Christopher Gray, Grand Blanc, Michigan, $69.69.
	Tony, or Taylor, I'm sorry, Taylor Kuzela in Las Wages, Nevada, $69.69.
	I can't stand it when you two get testy on the show, and I hope a little $69.69 will smooth things over.
	Years ago, I set up an automatic $15 a month payment in my bank, and I just switched to $55.55.
	I encourage all listeners to pony up even if it's only $10 or $15 a month.
	Adam, I don't need any jingles or dancing monkeys.
	I only ask that you both keep analyzing, deconstructing for as long as you can.
	Taylor.
	All right.
	I don't think I said we would bring in dancing monkeys, but okay.
	Jason Stevens.
	Sir Jason Stevens to you.
	Also in Las Vegas.
	6969 without comment.
	Matthew Pawlikowski.
	In Lakewood, Ohio, 6969.
	Donation from Matthew Pawlikowski of Lakewood to his brother Brian Pawlikowski of Westerville, Ohio.
	John Adam, I bid you both good morning.
	Good evening, good afternoon.
	Whatever the case may be.
	This was to be a drunken donation, but alas, I have run out of rum.
	And I'm able to...
	And I am too full from dinner to continue onward with beer.
	So this...
	Is a comfortably numb donation.
	I would like to wish my brother Brian a happy 33rd.
	Then he goes on with the date.
	He would like no better gift than a street continuing donation to the best podcast in the universe and possibly the multiverse.
	Prove me wrong!
	Ryan's a fantastic father and husband who will be teaching his daughters to see the world for what it really is.
	I hope I only end up hating him and his crazy uncle Matt for his life lessons.
	Would you please de-douche and karma for him to keep up the good work?
	Yes, absolutely.
	You've been de-douched.
	You've got karma.
	Chad Biederman, Round Lake, Illinois, 6969.
	You've been pronouncing my last name correctly.
	Other than that, I've got nothing to say.
	Eric Mackey, the shill.
	Hey!
	Hey!
	He jumped on the bandwagon at 69-69.
	Good for him.
	Yeah, but he has no note.
	Scott Spencer.
	Well, you can go to noageneration.com if you want to comment.
	Scott Spencer's Black Knight, Scott, in Dawsonville, Georgia, 69-69.
	Black Knight, Scott, to you, Sir Scott.
	Keep up the streak.
	Keep up the streak.
	Matthew Wittering in Bedfordshire.
	Just karma, please.
	You've got karma.
	Warren Carroll in Des Moines, Washington.
	6969.
	My wife is returning from a deployment to Afghanistan soon, so I thought 6969 was a fitting donation to welcome her home.
	Yeah.
	Secondly, the guy on Twitter that was yelling at Adam was responding to a tweet that I sent to Joe Rogan about having Adam on the podcast.
	And I get a douchebag call out for the Twitter troll.
	Douchebag!
	Damien Tainman.
	Sir Damien Tainman in Perth.
	No comment.
	Richard Bangs.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Did I skip one?
	Yeah.
	Anonymous in Huntington Valley, Pennsylvania, 6969.
	Would like to remain anonymous.
	I listened to the show 425, The Pipeline Report.
	I have not stopped listening.
	Makes me think he's got it on repeat.
	My brother turned me into the greatest podcast in the universe.
	Fact!
	Please give him a douchebag for not donating.
	Douchebag!
	My wife is pregnant with a third human resource.
	Can we please have some karma?
	The whole Haiti scam really gets under my skin.
	He wants a combo.
	Okay, sorry.
	You got it.
	Yeah, just send your cash, douchebag, two to the head, combo, really?
	Karma.
	Uh, let me see.
	I don't know if you got all these...
	Yeah, no, no, no, I got it.
	I got it, I got it, I got it.
	Here it comes.
	Douchebag.
	I know a lot of people want to send blankets or water.
	Just send your cash.
	Douchebag.
	Douchebag.
	One of the clips I wanted that I lost...
	Hey, John?
	I lost a clip, which was Hillary...
	I'm moaning about, I think, the earthquakes or something on one of her little speeches.
	You know what she says?
	She says, we need people to send water and blankets.
	No, really?
	Yeah, and I've noticed something going on in Libya.
	They have $15 million going to Libya, and she says, send water and blankets.
	I'm thinking, well, they probably don't.
	They could use the water.
	I'm sure they don't need the blankets.
	Roy Tingle in Brooklyn, New York, no comment, 6969.
	Richard Bangs, North Bethesda, Maryland, 6969.
	And that ends our segment.
	69!
	69, dudes!
	The grand total?
	14.
	I told you we'd never make it again.
	There's no way.
	No way.
	Yeah.
	Oh well.
	Oh well.
	Jason Stevens, Sir Jason Stevens in Las Vegas.
	We had a lot of Las Vegas donors today for some reason.
	in 69, 68.
	I hope to be front-running in the spirit of Goldman Sachs a whole lot of awesomeness.
	He's back-running because it would have been 69, 70 if you want to get up in front.
	Hugo Agriar in Cortiba Paran something.
	Where is that?
	Can you get the whole thing?
	Paran.
	Paraguay.
	I don't know.
	Drink donation.
	Keep the show going.
	Please give a call out to all the Caliente Latino listeners.
	Thanks, guys.
	Hola.
	Bye.
	Hola.
	Hola.
	Blaze in Hoboken, New Jersey.
	5555.
	Happy 5th anniversary.
	May I please have some calculus exam success karma.
	Please add me to the birthday list.
	First name Blaze only.
	My birthday is Thursday.
	All right.
	Put you on today.
	Five more years.
	You've got karma.
	There is your calculus exam.
	Karma.
	You should really ace it.
	Andrew Richter in Wayne, Michigan.
	5555.
	Notice that there's been at least one donor from Gitmo Nation's Mitten, Michigan.
	For the past four shows, I'd like to challenge my fellow Michiganders to get a real streak going.
	Don't be a douche.
	I think somebody else will donate.
	They won't.
	You need to do it, citizen.
	Hey, citizen.
	Please give a douchebag to all in Michigan who haven't donated and a karma recharge for myself.
	You've got karma.
	Tom Schuring in Wheeler's Hill, Victoria, 5555.
	Five more years!
	These, of course, are our 5th anniversary donation amounts, the 5555.
	And when is our 5th anniversary?
	What is the exact date again, John?
	October 26th.
	Wow.
	Really, October 26th.
	Okay.
	So we started 2008?
	2007?
	2007.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Yeah, I know.
	Can't believe I'm not bored of you.
	That's weird.
	good David Masciangelo Masciangelo Masciangelo Masciangelo Massiangelo.
	Peoria, Arizona.
	Lots of Italians down there.
	5555.
	John, I'm drunk to read this properly.
	Happy five-year anniversary, though, Jed, this show.
	It's definitely the best podcast in the universe.
	A couple years ago, my friend Matt Prunier of Phoenix hit me in the mouth and I was immediately hooked.
	I know he donated it back on show 200, but clearly his wallet has stiffened up since he's reverted back to being a boner.
	So give him a douchebag.
	Douchebag!
	I'd like to request some small business karma from my wife who's getting ready to grow her event management business.
	VantageManagementSolutions.com If her business grows enough, maybe I can stop commuting to work and be a stay-at-home slob.
	So I know that's my true calling.
	Thanks for the entertaining analysis and media assassination.
	Alright.
	You've got karma.
	If he stays at home, then he won't be able to listen to the show.
	Kenneth Godwin in Vacaville, California, 55-55.
	Also, Sir Kent O'Rourke, Frostburg, Maryland.
	David Alston, Yukon, Oklahoma.
	Aaron Guzman in Redding, California.
	Dan Hendershot in Richland, Washington.
	Oh, it's 55-55.
	We've got a good group in here.
	Pete Bowe in Maastricht.
	That's interesting.
	5555.
	Please read this haiku Herman poem, Drunk, followed by two to the head.
	Different colors, tongues, towers, and gods.
	I search my way.
	A moment of reflection.
	Awesome.
	I love me a good Haiku Herman Haiku.
	He said last donation he requested some karma for his startup business and he got to get laid karma instead.
	Oh man.
	I hate it when that happens.
	We don't control the nature of the karma.
	I hate it when that happens.
	When you want your business to succeed and you get laid instead.
	This is no good.
	No.
	Ryan Villius in Mesa, Arizona.
	5555.
	Short-time donor.
	First-time donor found this new show after Adam's recent appearance on This Week in Bloggers.
	Huh?
	You were on This Week in Bloggers?
	I don't even know what that is.
	Well, you were on it.
	I was not on it.
	Oh, maybe that's what he calls Twit, This Week in Bloggers.
	Okay, that makes sense.
	That's what it is.
	That's what the show is.
	It's a slam.
	It's a good one, Ryan.
	It's a good one.
	I like it.
	Well, I might not always agree with every theory.
	Well, I hope not.
	I love the free and open-minded dialogue between John and Adam.
	If possible, I'd like a shot of karma in the morning for my Cisco test this Monday.
	Last, Adam.
	Have you thought about using some kind of multiple 4G, 3G solution when you're on the road?
	Several options exist.
	Check out mushroomnetworks.com or livestream.com for a few examples.
	I don't rep either company, just throwing it out there.
	No, well, the first thing, really the only thing we got to do is we just have to get the mumble to work because I feel that will help us out a lot.
	And I'm actually going to have to disconnect the Skype in a minute because we're going back to simplex over mode.
	But here's your karma.
	Thank you all.
	We'll look at the websites.
	You've got karma.
	And the last 55.55 donations from Ollie Nieman, or Norman?
	Nieman.
	Nieman.
	Norby Stockholm.
	I've been a fan for years, also been very cheap.
	Well, you're from Stockholm.
	The show has been so good lately, I just have to contribute to the anniversary.
	Do some Swedish news and I'll donate more.
	Didn't he just say this already?
	We had another Swede that did that.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, send us some news.
	Let us know what's going on up there.
	Sir Schnorrstein?
	Yeah, you know, I think we missed his donation or his donation note on the previous show.
	Did you get his email?
	Let me just read this to you.
	May 11th, Adam and John, I suffered a...
	This is our North Pole...
	He's a knight up there in the North Pole.
	You know, he's got all the beautiful pictures and he's got the snowmobiles and the rifles.
	Yeah, he's great.
	May 11th, because we hadn't heard from him for a while, I suffered a cardiac arrest caused by a serious ventricular fibrillation while exercising.
	Luckily, there were some people nearby that witnessed this.
	After eight minutes of CPR, the heart was restarted using a defibrillator.
	in an air ambulance after a few days at hospital i suffered a stroke oh geez it took another several days to recover from that after two weeks at the hospital i got an implantable cardioverter defibrillator defibrillator also known as the icd to prevent the worst if i should suffer another ventricular fibrillation event again In August I went back to hospital, had a successful cardioversion, and I've also had some follow-up after the stroke.
	Luckily I have no physical problems after the stroke, and the doctors tell me to take it easy, not stress the brain or heart.
	I will probably be on sick leave for several months, but I should live for a full life!
	So, Adam and John, life is full of surprises.
	Nothing is certain.
	I'm extremely grateful that everything has turned out so well, and I appreciate the things around me even more.
	And that's why his donation has actually put him above the double knight mark, and he sends kind regards from the high Arctic.
	And let me just send the guy some karma here.
	This is crazy.
	You've got karma.
	We were kind of wondering why we hadn't heard from him for a while, and now it's like whenever I don't hear from one of our knights, I'm like...
	Damn, maybe dead.
	God.
	It sucks.
	It's terrible.
	Yeah.
	Well, we're happy Sir Snorderstain is back up and running.
	Good.
	With his implant.
	But we have to go visit him.
	Quickly, apparently.
	Yeah, well, I mean, you know, I'd like to go up there and drive around in a snowmobile up in the North Pole area.
	And shoot some polar bears.
	I don't think you want to run into polar bears.
	I don't think there's that many in that area.
	Keith Van Dyke is our last donor for today's show in South Australia.
	$50, no comment.
	And that concludes our segment for show 448.
	We want to thank everyone who contributed, and we hope that we continue on our merry way for show 449.
	Yeah, and of course that show will be coming to you from Washington, D.C. It may be a bit of a challenge again, but John and I will definitely try to work on the communication systems, and all you need to do is support us by going to...
	And I'm just looking here.
	I don't think this donation from our night in Dallas, Dave Koss, he's a black knight, came in on time to make the list.
	But apparently the earthquake machine went off in Dallas last night.
	Twice?
	Dallas?
	Yeah.
	Dallas, Texas?
	Yeah.
	They're obviously fracking around there somewhere.
	Must be.
	Must be.
	so I'm going to put him into the birthday segment even though he hasn't officially made it in but I'd hate for his birthday not to be celebrated appropriately so kicking off there with Dave Koska Congratulations and happy birthday to you, sir.
	Further on the list, Sir Howard Gutknecht.
	Congratulations to his son, Kerry, turning 30 on the 2nd of October.
	Peter Cornell says happy birthday to his brother.
	Jim turns 37.
	Will J. Robertson, he turns 33 on the 1st.
	That'll be tomorrow, which, of course, is the start of National Cybersecurity Awareness Month.
	Matthew Pawlowski says happy birthday to his brother.
	Brian turned 33 on the 29th.
	Yesterday, Blaze...
	We'll be celebrating on the 4th, and Bobby Villanueva congratulates her husband, Josh West.
	All of you, of course, receive hearty congratulations from your buddies here at the Best Podcast in the Universe.
	In fact, I want to play that jingle.
	The Best Podcast in the Universe.
	And may I have Kevin in San Diego.
	Step forward to the podium, please.
	Kevin, today with your off-numbered donation, you have finally reached, as you already concluded, the status of Knight of the No Agenda Roundtable.
	And that means that you will receive everything that we have in store for you, including the title...
	Night!
	Sir Kevin!
	Night of the Noagent Roundtable.
	For you, sir, hookers and blow, rent boys and chardonnay, hot pants and booze, wrenches and beer, or jars and scars.
	Something like that.
	Someone sent me a note.
	I forgot what it was.
	Jars and scars?
	Yeah, it was jars and junk.
	I don't remember.
	Jars as in moonshine.
	Oh.
	I can't remember.
	Well, you know, that brings me to...
	Oh, everybody's giving me crap about, oh yeah, NASCAR began with the moonshiners and the bootleggers and they drive real fast and so they decide to race instead of running from revenuers.
	Basically the argument.
	What you're saying is you were wrong?
	No, no.
	Oh, okay.
	I've been still working on it, but everything I see more and more looks like a tale of folklore.
	Something to jazz up to rather boring beginnings in NASCAR. Okay, that's fine.
	Which began in Daytona, Florida, by the way, in 1948, some 15 years after the end of Prohibition.
	I knew it.
	Why pay any attention to that?
	And so then somebody comes up in this day.
	Mm-hmm.
	Well, NASCAR itself and their new museum.
	They make a move.
	It literally went like that?
	I looked into this, too.
	This is bullcrap.
	All right, let me call you back.
	Hold on.
	Because it's no fun when we do.
	We can't have an interactive chat.
	It just doesn't work for me.
	So let's try this again.
	This is new behavior that Skype is showing us.
	This is Microsoft.
	Yeah.
	And this is why we have to get Mumble running.
	It won't work.
	Yes, it will.
	What we need is the old Skype.
	Yeah, but we got forced into upgrades.
	I don't think we can go back.
	It doesn't matter because we may not even be doing peer-to-peer anymore.
	It may be all running through Redmond.
	Who knows?
	Mumble will work.
	You just have to get the headphone part working.
	That'll be fine.
	It's gonna work.
	We're gonna get it to work.
	Come on.
	I didn't like the sound of you on Mumble.
	You sound really good right now.
	Yeah, well, you sounded great on Mumble.
	Well, I guess that's all that counts.
	Yes, indeed.
	Jobs.
	Jobs.
	That's all I could find.
	You found one.
	Well, I found kind of one, so I wanted to throw that out.
	Well, as I was saying, I'm working on this NASCAR thing.
	I'm going to debunk the whole thing, but I want to really back it up with a lot of facts.
	All right, yeah.
	You're fact-checking the whole story.
	Is that what you're doing?
	You're fact-checking it.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Yeah.
	Alright, let me take you into Syria for a moment.
	First of all, thank you all so much for sending me the flyer, because of course you'll recall we had David Cameron speaking at the United Nations General Assembly, talking about how children were used for target practice, all based upon this report from SaveTheChildren.org.
	And so a lot of people did find the report.
	However, this a report doth not maketh.
	They've created an 18-page PDF. Have you seen this thing, John?
	I'm sure someone sent it to you as well.
	No one sent it to me.
	It is literally a flyer.
	And it's beautifully done.
	I mean, it's well-produced.
	No.
	What do you mean, no?
	It can't be a flyer.
	That's not what they said.
	It's a flyer.
	No, no, that can't be true.
	You mean it has to be a report?
	Is that what you mean?
	Yeah.
	A detailed report, probably about 75 pages.
	No, it is 18 pages.
	Each page contains a child.
	The title of the flyer is Untold Atrocities, the Stories of Serious Children.
	And I'm like, well, okay, so I'll read through this.
	It just has pictures.
	And there's beautiful pictures of these children.
	And so here's Hassan.
	He's 14 years old on the right-hand side of the page.
	They create a human shield of children.
	I saw this with my own eyes.
	And this is what the report is, you see.
	So I'm sorry.
	And although these stories may all be 100% true, this is not a report.
	It has no business being called a report.
	It is a flyer with no backup, no historical information, no locations even.
	And it is shameful.
	Shameful that this is being used as a report to do whatever the plan is in Syria.
	And I encourage you to look at it.
	It'll be in the clips and stuff section of the show notes.
	448.nashownotes.com untoldatrocities.pdf And in fact, even for...
	Cameron, to say that they were using children as target practice, even that is untrue because there's only one story in the entire brochure, and here it is.
	This is as told by Munther, M-U-N-T-H-E-R, 10 years old.
	He was shot in the head.
	He fell forward in a praying position.
	I was on the street when the bullets were first fired.
	We were standing outside school.
	We just posed for a photo.
	There were lots of children around.
	Then the shooting started.
	There was chaos.
	Everyone was screaming.
	There were bullets and blood everywhere.
	A boy called Amjad was standing next to me.
	He was shot in the head.
	They were taking bets on if they could shoot him, and it was not a clean shot.
	That's the report, John.
	Who is taking bets, and how do you know that?
	That's my point exactly.
	It's shameful.
	This actually is child abuse to even consider using children for such a shameful report.
	Now, atrocities happen everywhere, and particularly when there's fighting.
	So I'm not saying that these things don't happen in every crazy effed up war, but for this to be called a report is an outrage of epic proportions, particularly if the media and politicians are saying there's a report.
	It's not a report.
	Anyway...
	I wonder if Cameron is suckered by internet hoaxes.
	Ha ha ha!
	I wonder if he believes we ever landed on the moon.
	Here is a report.
	As we've reached a new red line, this of course has nothing to do with Iran or Israel.
	No, no, no.
	The red line is now being used everywhere we can use it.
	Well, Wolf, Defense Secretary Panetta a little bit unexpectedly getting right into the latest intelligence, what he knows and what he doesn't know about serious chemical weapons.
	So this is all about the chemical weapons, John.
	And I don't know, you're going to hear Panetta, you tell me if the guy actually knows anything.
	A top Syrian opposition group claims it captured these missiles in Damascus and said they had been adapted to carry chemical and biological warheads.
	CNN cannot independently confirm the claim.
	independently confirm the claim.
	So they're showing Google Earth on the screen, and they have some guy screaming in the background, and this is now proof that they have stolen some of the chemical weapons, and apparently Barbara, the Pentagon correspondent, asked Panetta about it in a briefing, the Pentagon correspondent, asked Panetta about it in a briefing, and he's not completely full of...
	This is how they put together a bullcrap report, okay?
	So you get the unconfirmed video with Google Earth footage, then you ask Panetta a question who answers like this.
	But now, a new admission from Defense Secretary Leon Panetta.
	Serious chemical weapons have been on the move, and he's not sure what exactly has happened.
	There has been intelligence that there have been some moves that have taken place.
	Where exactly that's taken place, we don't know.
	I didn't even hear him use the word chemical weapons.
	I mean, that's how poor this is.
	Let's continue and see what we can...
	I thought he said it at the beginning, no?
	No, no, we didn't say chemical weapons.
	She said chemical weapons.
	Panetta insists that Bashar al-Assad's forces still control the major chemical and biological sites, but there are security concerns.
	There has been some intelligence that, with regards to some of these sites, that there has been some movement in order for the Syrians to better secure the chemicals.
	Chemicals.
	Now he's saying chemicals.
	Now, how do we bring this together?
	We have to have another unconfirmed video, another unconfirmed report, and then we'll bring a really old video from the President to wrap it up with a red line remark.
	...clearly are making a public play that they can get to the weapons.
	On this video, a narrator points to satellite imagery of what he says is a chemical weapons warehouse in Damascus and a tunnel that connects the warehouse to a military airport.
	The video cannot be independently confirmed.
	Panetta knows rebels are on the hunt.
	He doesn't know if they have succeeded.
	I don't have any specific information about the opposition and whether or not they've obtained some of this or how much they've obtained and just exactly what's taking place.
	President Obama has said a tight lid must stay on the Syrian arsenal.
	We have been very clear to the Assad regime but also to other players on the ground that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized.
	So this is a completely concocted report.
	There is not a single fact, a single verifiable statement.
	The word chemical weapons is only used in an old piece of video from the president.
	They are setting it up.
	Complete setup for something to happen.
	Fabricated.
	CNN. Oh man, that's terrible.
	Completely concocted.
	The whole thing.
	Yeah, it is.
	That's really embarrassing.
	But, you know, the way they do it is so incredibly smart.
	Because, you know, they say chemical weapons and they just play a clip.
	And when you see Panetta, the guy's not, like, freaking out.
	He's like, uh, well, what is this question?
	Uh, well, okay, uh, well, uh, you know, it's tough.
	Did you see Netanyahu with that stupid diagram?
	Oh, man.
	You mean the Acme Corporation bomb that he drew?
	With a fuse?
	With a burning fuse?
	Yeah.
	I mean, what?
	Is that the way these things go off?
	You light a fuse and boom.
	I actually have...
	Where is it?
	He did this thing.
	You could literally smell the magic marker as he drew the red line on the...
	On his little graph there.
	Hold on a sec.
	Actually, I had an analysis from the New York Times, which I thought was pretty funny.
	Let me just see.
	Where is it?
	Here's the...
	Okay, so here's Bibi...
	Oops.
	All right, here's Bibi Netanyahu drawing the red line at the UN General Assembly.
	...facts.
	And they are.
	Where should a red line be drawn?
	A red line should be drawn...
	Right here.
	Oh, can you smell it?
	Yeah, it's a cheap one.
	It's a Chinese one.
	Before Iran completes the second stage of nuclear enrichment necessary to make a bomb.
	Okay, so the New York Times...
	Here's what the New York Times said.
	I'm actually surprised you didn't bring this up being such a New York Times reader.
	I'm sure.
	With an almost professorial air, professorial air, which means like a professor, Mr.
	Netanyahu held up a diagram, i.e.
	a cartoon, of a bomb with a fuse to show the Israeli view of Iran's progress in achieving the ability to make a nuclear weapon.
	He drew a red line through the point at which Iran would have amassed enough medium-enriched uranium to make a bomb, which he said would be in the spring or summer of 2013.
	So, they call this professorial?
	This idiotic magic marker on a Wile E. Coyote bomb?
	But here's the crazy thing.
	In the same article, they say, his calculus turned on a stockpile of medium-enriched uranium.
	Uranium enriched the level of 20% that Iran has produced, ostensibly to fuel a research reactor provided to the country by the United States.
	Right now, Iran does not possess enough of that fuel to make a single weapon.
	In fact, its stockpile has declined in the recent months as it has converted some for the research reactor.
	So here's the New York Times debunking their own bullcrap.
	About this red line and that they'd be ready in summer of 2013 by the actual fact that they don't even have enough to make a single weapon.
	But the professorial Netanyahu with his magic marker, ooh, that's all groovy.
	I mean, have I woken up in the world of insane?
	Yes.
	I mean, how can this be taken seriously?
	Did you know that when I saw that picture, I walked past the supermarket here in L.A.? No, no.
	At first I saw it online, and I literally thought it was like, it was Friday.
	I thought it was a Friday Photoshop-type gag that somebody put.
	And then I walked past the newspaper stand in L.A., and I saw the picture, and that's when I realized it was real.
	And it blew my mind that this was actually happening.
	I mean, it's insanity that this is the level we've sunken to.
	Right?
	Am I nuts?
	No, I feel the same exact way.
	I thought it was the stupidest thing I've ever seen, ever.
	I mean, for a guy at that level, the head of a government, to draw an idiotic round bomb and just draw some arbitrary lines on it and have a fuse at the top.
	That's sparking.
	I mean, please.
	And it was sparking.
	Yeah, it was sparking.
	It's always lit.
	Alright, so along with this does come something very, very interesting.
	We have the Washington Institute...
	For Near East policy, are you familiar with the Washington Institute?
	It's one of those think tanks.
	I think I've seen one of these guys on C-SPAN. Okay.
	So, one of these guys was on C-SPAN. Do you know what they do, the Washington Institute?
	I can actually tell you.
	Our mission, the mission of the Washington Institute, it's WashingtonInstitute.org, is to advance a balanced and realistic understanding of American interests in the Middle East and to promote the policies that secure them.
	The Washington Institute is, of course, a 501c3 organization, so we can never find out who the donors are.
	All donations are tax-deductible.
	And here's just a brief history.
	In 1985, a small group of visionary Americans committed to advancing U.S. interests in the Middle East founded the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.
	And here is one of these wonderful people.
	Telling us exactly how the United States should handle Iran essentially by creating a false flag.
	And he gives many examples of previous false flags.
	Mind-boggling to hear this.
	I frankly think that crisis initiation is really tough.
	Crisis initiation, John.
	Bear this in mind.
	And it's very hard for me to see how the United States...
	By the way, hold on.
	Yeah.
	I'm predicting that this is going to be a clip of the week.
	We don't have clip of the week jingle, but I'll take of the day.
	Here we go.
	A president can get us to war with Iran.
	Which leads me to conclude that if, in fact, compromise is not coming, that the traditional way of America gets to war is what would be best for U.S. interests.
	Some people might think that Mr.
	Roosevelt wanted to get us into World War II. As David mentioned, you may recall we had to wait for Pearl Harbor.
	Some people might think Mr.
	Wilson wanted to get us into World War I. You may recall he had to wait for the Lusitania episode.
	Some people might think that Mr.
	Johnson wanted to send troops to Vietnam.
	You may recall he had to wait for the Gulf of Tonkin episode.
	We didn't go to war with Spain until the Maine exploded.
	And may I point out that Mr.
	Lincoln did not feel he could call out the Federal Army until Fort Sumter was attacked, which is why he ordered the commander at Fort Sumter to do exactly that thing which the South Carolinians had said would cause an attack.
	So if in fact the Iranians aren't going to compromise, it would be best if somebody else started the war.
	One can combine other means of pressure with sanctions.
	I mentioned that explosion on August 17th.
	We could step up the pressure.
	I mean, look, people, irradiance submarines periodically go down.
	Someday one of them might not come up.
	Who would know why?
	We can do a variety of things if we wish to increase the pressure.
	I'm not advocating that, but I'm just suggesting that this is not an either-or proposition.
	It's just sanctions has to succeed or other things.
	We are in the game of using covert means against the Iranians.
	We could get nastier at that.
	Did I just hear him say we should sink an Iranian sub?
	Yeah, no, he just suggested it's a possibility.
	That one might not come up again.
	Hypothetically.
	But then he mentioned Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, and the Lusitania.
	I mean, all these false flag events.
	He's like saying, hey, this is what we do.
	Why has it taken so long to do it again?
	These kinds of meetings just are very disturbing.
	laughing Yeah.
	I don't get clip of the day?
	Nah, it's alright.
	I don't feel like it.
	Yeah, give yourself a clip of the day.
	No, no, no.
	It wasn't good enough.
	No, no, no.
	If it doesn't come from the heart, then I don't want it.
	Well, you were begging for it.
	No, no, no.
	Let me try this one.
	I thought it was going to be a little more overt.
	Let me try this one.
	Up until now, Johnny Lewis was just another aspiring actor, familiar mostly to fans of Sons of Anarchy.
	Now, Johnny Lewis is a household name.
	And a new Hollywood murder mystery.
	Her ex-boyfriend just found dead.
	Star of a tabloid tragedy, a Hollywood murder-suicide.
	It's one of those stories that almost seems too crazy to be true.
	It's tragic.
	Lewis beat his 81-year-old landlady to death.
	He tore her cat to pieces.
	What could this be, John?
	Have you heard of this wonderful story?
	I never heard of this guy who's a household name.
	Well, he is now, and you know why?
	No, you don't.
	Here it comes.
	Eyewitnesses who tried to stop him say he showed superhuman strength.
	Oh, what could this be?
	There are reports.
	Oh, here we go again.
	No, but there's a new one.
	There's a new bath salt in town.
	That some sort of drugs were involved.
	That's a possibility.
	This is a cop who We haven't located any drugs and we're not sure about that.
	We won't know until the toxicology report comes back from the coroner's office.
	But suffice to say, anybody who acts in this kind of a manner would indicate that there may be some kind of drugs on board.
	If drugs were involved, does your experience tell you what sorts of things we might be talking about?
	Well, the thing we're seeing lately here in Los Angeles and across the country are some of these synthetic designer-type drugs, something like bath salts or the new one that we've heard around here called Smiles.
	Smiles!
	That's the new one, John.
	Smiles!
	Smiles.
	Have you heard of Smiles?
	This is the new drug.
	I have now.
	Yeah.
	Smiles.
	It turns you into a zombie.
	Smiles.
	They all do.
	Yeah.
	I've got to try me some smiles.
	So if anyone has any smiles, please send me that.
	I want to try it with my Haldol at the same time.
	You keep saying this.
	I'm going to, because I'm waiting for someone to send it to me.
	So what is smiles?
	It's a bath salt.
	Oh.
	Yeah, it's a CI2, I think is the official.
	It's like carbon something or other too.
	It's all part of the main ingredient.
	We've talked about the main ingredient before, whatever it is.
	It's just great drugs, and obviously we have to keep telling people that you shouldn't take these drugs.
	We want you on our drugs.
	We want you on the Xanax, and we want you on the Haldol, and we want you on the Oxy.
	These other drugs are dangerous because you might murder your landlady and rip her kitten apart.
	Rip the kitten apart with superhuman strength.
	That's right.
	Well, it says we're all going to die.
	Yeah, might as well.
	I've been telling you.
	Out of the blue, I'm watching Democracy Now and they just throw this in gratuitously.
	Which one is that?
	Top clip.
	Climate Vulnerability Forum.
	I've never heard of them.
	More than 100 million people will die by 2030 if the world fails to take on global warming.
	The Climate Vulnerable Forum says air pollution, hunger and disease caused by climate change and the consumption of fossil fuels will kill 5 million people per year.
	More than 90% of the estimated deaths would occur in developing countries.
	The report also warns global warming threatens to seriously contract the global economy over the next decade.
	Oh, perfect.
	Well, it's just going to be black people in Africa, John, so don't worry about it.
	Not a problem.
	How can you make this sort of prediction?
	X number of people are going to die.
	Well, did you look up this organization, the Climate Reliability Forum, whatever the hell it was?
	That's what you've got to do.
	Look up this bullcrap.
	Meanwhile, it looks like they actually used some kind of weather modification in Spain.
	You know, of course, these slaves are still rioting in Spain, and then all of a sudden, a freak flash flood?
	Are you kidding me?
	This comes out of nowhere?
	It washes away entire highways, and people drown on the spot?
	I mean, how often does this happen?
	I've never heard of it.
	Yeah.
	Well, here's the report, in case you care.
	Actually, I should play them back-to-back, so here's the slaves.
	Oh!
	Meanwhile, violence erupted on the streets of the Spanish capital tonight.
	A rally against new austerity measures turned ugly when protesters clashed with police.
	Several injuries were reported.
	The government yesterday delivered a budget that includes widespread spending cuts and a salary freeze for workers in the public sector.
	Yeah, and then everyone's rioting and then...
	Many residents in this large area of southern Spain are already clearing up, but as they wade through mud and debris counting the cost of this freak weather, a British woman remains missing.
	Across this largely poor part of Spain, the heavy rains fell, almost 10 inches of it on Friday morning alone.
	And it kept coming, taking cars, roads, and bridges with it.
	And this has never happened, as far as I know.
	Or at least not in any...
	Climate change, man!
	Climate change!
	Oh, it's climate change, yeah.
	It was like a tornado that ran through this thing.
	I think...
	It's global warming!
	Yeah.
	Alright, I got one to take us out, and you have an end-of-show clip that looks like something you want to play?
	I do, I want to set it up, though.
	Okay, so let me play this last one, because tonight we have to watch 60 Minutes, very important that we watch this, as I think we, the true...
	Meaning behind the green on blue, or also now dubbed the insider attacks, will be revealed to us as they will be interviewing General Allen.
	Oh!
	Yeah, and it's Lara Logan, by the way, who is...
	Oh!
	Yes, Lara...
	Yeah, well, Lara Logan, of course, is the shill who...
	Isn't she the one who's in Egypt?
	Yeah, almost got herself raped.
	Well, no, she said she got raped, actually.
	Oh, she got, well, or molested.
	But then it turned out she wasn't, or whatever.
	I mean, it's sketchy.
	Sketchy at best.
	She was a wreck afterwards.
	Something happened.
	Yeah.
	Well, okay.
	So here's a preview of her interview tonight.
	You're in a tough spot right now.
	Can you explain why the sudden increase in these attacks?
	Well, I'm mad as hell about them, to be honest with you.
	I'm mad as hell.
	We're going to get after this.
	It reverberates everywhere across the United States.
	This guy's an idiot.
	Don't be calling our commanding general an idiot.
	Let him speak.
	He just sounds like an idiot.
	He's a tough talker.
	We're willing to sacrifice a lot for this campaign.
	We're not willing to be murdered for it.
	Now listen carefully.
	At a certain point, if these attacks continue, American people are going to say, we've had enough.
	Why are we training these people if they're murdering us?
	Well, that may be, in fact.
	It may be the voice right now that we're hearing.
	The key point is for us to understand that the vast majority, the vast majority of the Afghans, and you've lived with them, you understand these people, they're with us in this.
	They understand right now the severity of this problem and the urgency of what's happening.
	And there have been Afghans who've been killed trying to save our forces.
	You know, in Iraq, the signature weapon system that we hadn't seen before was the IED. We had to adjust to that.
	Here, I think the signature attack that we're beginning to see is going to be the insider attack.
	Now this is very interesting what he's saying.
	Because what happened with the IEDs, I think, and this will, in the follow-up question with Laura from the CBS Morning Show, it seems to me like by making the comparison, and by the way, these green on blue attacks, We've been tracking this on the show.
	We've been seeing this happening more and more.
	We've been trying to figure out why is this happening?
	Is it real?
	Obviously, someone's getting killed.
	Although, gee, we wouldn't know because, you know, of course, our media doesn't show flag-draped coffins coming back with actual soldiers.
	It's only for diplomats that we see that on television.
	So we're just going to presume it's all really happening.
	Why is this?
	And is this a setup?
	A prelude to something.
	The IEDs in Iraq, basically we never beat that, and now of course we're gone, except for the 50,000 consultants who were there.
	And by the way, we should have mentioned the irony of the IEDs in Iraq was they were dug out of the area that we mined.
	Yeah.
	There was a bunch of people that made a business out of digging through the minefields that we put up and getting the mines out of the ground and then disabling them and then turning them into the explosives.
	They're not making C5 in Iraq.
	No, they're just digging up the stuff we put there and using that.
	Yes.
	So here comes the conclusion.
	Larry, the big question about U.S. troops in Afghanistan is the 2014 departure date.
	Will this hasten or delay it?
	Well, Charlie, he's a commanding general, right?
	So he's not going to commit himself to anything like that.
	But you just have to look at the effect that this has had to realize that it can impact on when the troops are coming home.
	I got a sense even that there was a feeling, there was a push for troops to come home even sooner than the end of 2014.
	But that's a political timetable and a political push more than what is driven by the reality on the battlefield.
	And I think this is such a severe crisis that General Allen clearly was in crisis mode, doing everything they could to try and bring this under control right now because of the implications, not just for the short-term training mission, but for the long-term status of forces agreement.
	How are you going to keep Americans there over the long term to train Afghans if this is what will happen to them?
	So I found this to be very interesting.
	What I'm hearing Lara say in her setup, because of course a general, and we know from the McChrystal affair, a general is not just going to go on 60 Minutes without some kind of approval from someone somewhere that this is going to be discussed.
	Unless he's gone completely rogue.
	And what I'm hearing is, we're getting out!
	Sooner than 2014.
	This whole cool thing could be a scenario to get us out.
	But why?
	Is this the true October surprise where the president now says, let's get out now?
	It's too late.
	He wouldn't be able to pull that off now.
	The setup is still taking place.
	Well, hold on a second.
	Sunday night is 60 minutes, and then he still has two days before the first debate.
	That's an interesting theory.
	I don't know, but something's going on with it, and we've been waiting for the true motivation behind the Green on Blue reporting to reveal itself, and I think that's tonight.
	So hopefully we'll find out more.
	Yeah.
	Alright, I've got one last little clip.
	Apparently, temperatures are rising here in the Bay Area, so the panic mode is taking place.
	I don't know why this happened before, but now we have reports that they're setting up places for the overheated.
	Now, from ABC 7 News.
	Good morning, I'm Carolyn Tyler.
	Several Bay Area counties are opening cooling centers to help people deal with the heat today.
	In Santa Clara County, centers will be open in Cupertino and Morgan Hill.
	Contra Costa County has three centers in San Ramon.
	And you can cool off in Alameda County at three city libraries and the Union City Sports Center.
	And what does a cooling center exist of?
	Air conditioner, I guess?
	I don't know why they're doing this.
	I've never seen this before.
	Well, it's all part of the global warming, man.
	We're all going to die, man.
	We need cooling centers everywhere.
	What temperature do you think we're going to have here, like where I am right now?
	I don't know, like 80, 91.
	Oh, woo!
	Woo!
	Can you handle it?
	What was the temperature that you had there, typically Austin temperature, in the summer?
	In the summer, 100.
	100.
	100?
	Just 100?
	That's a typical temperature, and some days it can be 105, and some days...
	So they have cooling centers all over the place that keep people from dropping dead?
	Yes, we call them bars.
	We walk in and we have a beer, and then we're cool, and then we go out and we go shoot some guns.
	Okay, so apparently this is the beginning week of the Ganesh Festival.
	Oh, hold on.
	Let me get our end of show music going here.
	Yes.
	So the Ganesh Festival, that's one of the gods, one of the more important gods of India.
	Yeah.
	And they celebrate him for ten days, and they make statues.
	This is the one that's got the four arms and the elephant head.
	Yeah, with the crazy octopus-like arms.
	No, no, that's different.
	This is just forearms.
	Oh, okay.
	But the whole thing is explained, because I guess the Indians have a lot of these celebrations, but we get to find out a lot, because we have no Indian donors, so I figure maybe this might help by playing this little tidbit from the China news, by the way, this came out of China, this report, and you'll know everything you need to know.
	Apparently they build these things up, these copies of this thing, and people come and worship them, and then they throw them in the drink.
	Part of this found reason.
	I don't know why, but they take the god of wealth, and then they chuck him in the water at the very end.
	And will this bring us wealth to this program?
	Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
	Alright, everybody.
	We'll play that as I end the show clip, and we will be talking again on Thursday.
	I'll be in Washington, D.C., and I'm still here in Los Angeles, California, celebrating Carmageddon Part 2.
	In the morning, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley where we never have a Carmageddon.
	Oh, I get it.
	Car.
	C-A-R. Ah!
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We'll talk to you again on Thursday right here on No Agenda.
	No Agenda.
	The Ganesh Festival, or Ganesh Chaturthi, is celebrated by Hindus around the world as the birthday of Lord Ganesha.
	The most elaborate celebrations are seen along the western coast of India, where people start making the Ganesha idol at least a month in advance.
	The festival ends with Lord Ganesha's idol being immersed in the sea.
	Shweta Bajaj reports from India.
	The elephant-headed god of wisdom and prosperity, Lord Ganesha's birthday celebrations are spread over 10 days in India.
	The celebrations start with a decorated Ganesha's idol that is worshipped each one of the 10 days.
	Hindus believe that Lord Ganesha brings in good luck.
	To get his blessings, a beautifully decorated Ganesha is kept on a raised platform in every household where people come and pay their homage.
	Ganesha festival is a chance for people to go to each other's houses and take Lord Ganesha's blessings.
	The priest invokes what is believed to be life in the idol by chanting mantras.
	Youngsters come in groups and travel from one household to another singing devotional songs in an effort to appease the Lord.
	Young boys practice for months to go from house to house to sing.
	At the end of the 10 days, the best group is judged.
	This particular form involves a handmade instrument made from lizard skin and mud.
	This is a very traditional instrument.
	We use this instrument for Ghumat Aarti from Portuguese time, you can say.
	Since we were a child, we use this instrument and it's really nice to play and all that.
	In the days of being worshipped in homes and temples across India, the Lord is then taken to streets in a procession accompanied by devotees to be immersed in the sea.
	It is believed that the immersion in the sea is his journey towards his abode which is considered to be Kailash mountains and he takes away all misfortunes of the mankind with him.
	Lord Ganesha is known to be one of the most loved gods in India.
	For the entire 10 days of the festival's duration, he's fed with his favorite food and sweets and finally he's offered to the god of the sea.
	Across the western coast, whole community comes to worship the Lord and the celebrations are accompanied by dramatic performances and contests like these where people make art with colored powder.
	It is believed that Lord Ganesha bestows his presence on earth for all his devotees during this festival.
	On this day, Shiva declared his son Ganesha as superior to all the gods barring Vishnu, Lakshmi, Shiva and Parvati.
	Traditional stories tell that Lord Ganesha was created by Goddess Parvati out of sandalwood paste and later put life into the figure.
	Through his life, Ganesha faced a number of obstacles as other lords challenged him, but he overcame all of them.
	Later, he was killed and to appease goddess Parvati, who threatened to kill the universe, an elephant's head was fixed onto Lord Ganesha's body.
	And from then, he has been called the elephant-headed god.
	This period also marks the onset of festival season in the Hindu calendar.
	Shweta Bajaj, CCTV, Goa, Western Coast, India.
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