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157: The Democratic Industrial Complex

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	Hey, John.
	What?
	That would have been a great show if it had actually recorded.
	You're kidding me.
	I'm not kidding you.
	We're still on the stream, by the way.
	Huh.
	Well, maybe somebody out there recorded it.
	That's why I'm still on the stream.
	I hope to God someone recorded this show.
	I can't believe it.
	Well, you'll find out shortly.
	That's pretty funny.
	No, that's like par for the course for today.
	Yeah, well, it sounds like it.
	Well, maybe somebody recorded it and we can run their recording.
	I knew this would happen eventually.
	Oh, my God.
	I feel like such a douchebag.
	Ah, okay.
	Nerdy Dude says he has it recorded.
	Sending it.
	Oh, my God.
	I love you.
	Ugh.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's December 16, 2009, time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 157.
	This is No Agenda.
	Scanning the C-SPAN transmissions for the real news, because we can.
	And coming to you from the Minimum Security Containment Cell Crackpot Command Center in Gitmo Nation, West San Francisco, California.
	In the morning, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from Northern Silicon Valley, where I thought it was the 16th last week, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	Now you're going to try and look all smug and stuff.
	Look at all smug.
	About what?
	That I messed up the date on the last show.
	Oh, you did?
	Oh, really?
	You think?
	Morning to you, John.
	Morning, everybody on the stream and in the chat room.
	NoagendaStream.com and NoAgendaChat.com.
	For those of you who don't know, we do this show live twice a week, usually around 9 o'clock Pacific Standard Time, Gitmo Nation West.
	A little bit late today.
	My apologies for the early service.
	But even the holy men have some other...
	I had to have a chat with God this morning.
	We have an executive producer this week.
	Good.
	Who we got?
	Who we got rolling on EP? Well, we have our old buddy Stephen Pelsmacher.
	Oh!
	That's our Dutch friend, is he not?
	Belgian.
	Belgian, right.
	Cool.
	He decided to give us a $200.90.
	Of course, a $0.90 is a let's make a deal number just in case.
	Just in case someone else came in, right.
	Excellent.
	Thank you very much, Steve.
	Is that the only executive producer?
	Yeah.
	And he says, because I've made the valiant effort to pronounce his name properly, Pelsmecker.
	And you're doing a very good job.
	Stephen, congratulations.
	You are the executive producer of No Agenda, episode 157.
	Please feel free to put that on your resume.
	Use us as a reference.
	It really does look good as a credit right underneath candy striper.
	But seriously, people take note of this stuff and they know what it means.
	It means that you're in media and you've got a clue.
	So congratulations and we appreciate the support.
	It's always good to have a recurring executive producer on the show.
	So there's a bunch of interesting news this week.
	In fact, it's like all over the map.
	Yeah, I agree.
	And I'm sure you're going to roll right into it.
	Maybe I can help you because I've already seen the clips.
	I don't have any clips, but this is not a clip related, but there's a new Boing Boing cover.
	Corey Doctorow, if anybody doesn't know, is a writer who is kind of caught up to an extreme with copyright law.
	He thinks of some scammish aspects to it.
	He doesn't lack, especially the fair use and public domain.
	Is he a proponent of the Creative Commons copyright license?
	Yeah, he's one of those guys and he's also kind of a proponent of public domain being what it used to be, not what it is now, which is non-existent.
	Thanks to the Disney Corporation.
	Well, Disney was one of them, but everybody jumped on this bandwagon.
	Now the latest thing, and you can read about this here and there, is that apparently Canada is being browbeaten by the EU to adopt some screwball measures that are going to change Canadian copyright law to such an extreme that there's actually a provision for the most is that apparently Canada is being browbeaten by the EU to adopt some screwball measures that are going to
	If I have a copywritten book, by the way, there's some aspect of this, which is, in other words, if you create content like we do here on this show, it becomes something you can use as a commodity.
	You can just buy it and sell it.
	But let's say I sell you a...
	I'm a bookstore and I sell you a book.
	Yeah.
	Whatever it is.
	Atlas Shrugged.
	Yes!
	Oh, what a fine idea, John.
	That book actually should be...
	Atlas Shrugged.
	Ah, we're early in the show.
	I just want to get this out of the way.
	So, I tell you, now, if you resell the book...
	It's my property to resell?
	No.
	What?
	It's now you have to track down the copyright owner and give them a royalty on the sale.
	This is...
	You're right.
	This started with music first.
	Where you weren't...
	And I remember this conversation when DRM and MP3s came out and it was all about, you know, okay, look, if I buy a CD and I play that CD to my heart's content and then I take it to a swap meet and I... Or if I just decide I want to give it away or if I want to sell it for a buck, then it's my property.
	I bought it.
	And I remember with digital, we slew...
	Slyly kind of moved towards that direction of, well, you know, you don't actually own it.
	You're kind of just renting it, and everyone kind of glossed over it.
	And, you know, hey, who cared, right?
	We had the shit on our iPod, and we were playing it, and we weren't thinking about that.
	But even with the digital, you could not resell that song.
	This all began in the 70s.
	Oh.
	Late 70s, actually.
	I was very young then, John.
	This began with a software entrepreneur named Seymour Rubenstein.
	Seymour Rubenstein, who was the purveyor of WordStar, among other products, had developed a very interesting ironclad licensing agreement.
	And I've talked to Seymour about this over the years.
	And he always believed that in some day in the distant, not too distant future or distant future, everything would be licensed, including books and television shows that you watch.
	So you can't copy them.
	You can't because you're licensed it.
	And maybe you can make one backup for personal use, which they're always fighting against that too, by the way.
	Mm-hmm.
	So the idea of everything being licensed evolved into the shrink-wrap license, which became law.
	Which is that terms of service license that when you open up a CD, it used to be floppies.
	It's the end-user agreement that is on a piece of paper.
	When you rip open the package, you have...
	You have accepted it.
	Yes, you are now under contract.
	I always say, have your 13-year-old kid open it.
	Because they're not bound by these same legal restrictions.
	Anyway, that's going to help.
	An interesting John C. Dvorak tip.
	The John C. Dvorak tip of the day.
	So this evolved into the terms of service agreements that are on websites.
	And of course, the phone rings right now, which I'm going to go hang up.
	But the terms of service agreement became law, legally binding.
	So, in fact, if you go to bar.org slash blog and look at the terms of service there, you'll find one of the more interesting ones because I have all kinds of weird stuff in there, which is all legal.
	Because I'm actually reading your website, I am bound by the terms of your legal agreement.
	Yes.
	Which means you can't really do...
	And the great, crazy thing about the terms of service on the websites is that most of them say, and this is legal too, most of them say that I can change this on the fly, and you're bound...
	By the changes.
	By the changes, even though you didn't agree to them in the first place.
	Where do I find your terms of service, John, while you're explaining this?
	I think you can go to devort.org slash blog slash TOS. I'm not sure.
	I'll go look it up.
	I want it in the show notes, yeah.
	Good.
	I'm putting it in the show notes.
	But anyway, so that's evolved into, you know, it just gets more and more onerous and nobody seems to complain about it.
	And so the next thing you know, we've got the situation evolving where you really won't have ownership of anything.
	You might as well take it to an extreme.
	Just license your furniture.
	You know, we should make no agenda underwear where there's a whole license agreement.
	By opening this underwear, you are bound by the following terms of service.
	And you can give it to your woman.
	Right.
	You have sexual requirements in there, by the way.
	Yes, of course.
	No one's done that yet.
	But anyway, the whole thing is a fiasco.
	And so the Canadians apparently, I don't know what the point of this is or why they're doing this, but there's a lot of stories about the Canadians capitulating to various demands by the U.S. and the EU regarding the Canadian copyright laws, which are somewhat different than everybody else's.
	I don't know what the deal is.
	I do know this, that we get very few donations from Canada.
	We got none this week.
	Well, this, of course, is all probably in the ramp up to the ACTA, which we started talking about two years ago.
	This is the global copyright agreement, which is so important to our national security that the Obama administration will not release any information about it.
	Some bits and pieces have trickled through, and we pretty much know that there's going to be a global three-strikes-your-out law for downloading copyrighted material without permission or payment over the Internet.
	But, you know, I think most of that is really just a precursor to censorship, which, by the way, this week was completely rolled out in Australia.
	So, you know, just a matter of time before we'll get no donations from Australia either, because I'm sure we will be outlawed.
	Well, we got none this week.
	Well, there you go.
	It worked!
	Yay!
	Well, you know, the idea is that if you can...
	You create these barriers with copyright law against public domain and everything else in between and ownership of books and information.
	At some point, you stop the flow of uncontrolled information.
	In other words, the only people that would be doling out information would be government agencies and public relations firms.
	Which is pretty much what mainstream news is today.
	PR firms send out a press release.
	A journalist picks that up, rewrite, or let's say a newswire picks that up usually.
	There may be a little bit of a rewrite and they'll pull some quotes.
	So these are quotes that come directly from the news release.
	And once in a while there's a journalist that will call the organization directly and get a personal quote.
	Yeah, that's pretty much the way it is.
	And it will be the Ministry of Truth who is giving you your news and your information.
	Totally.
	I once had a meeting with some public relations professional who was the only one that was pretty honest about it.
	And she says, you know, as far as I'm concerned, we provide all the news for the public.
	And all you guys do is just regurgitate it.
	Well, in France now...
	We've been talking about the newspaper bailouts.
	Sarkozy, El Presidente, has implemented a plan that starts this fall, or actually started this fall, I should say, giving every 18- to 24-year-old citizen of Gitmo Nation France, Gitmo Nation Baguette, a one-year subscription free to the newspaper of their choice.
	And, you know, they say it's to stimulate people reading news, but if you follow along with the Waxman proposal in the U.S. House, which would be for tax breaks and other subsidies of newspapers, and then we have Gitmo Nation Lowlands, where they're actually subsidizing 60 young journalists.
	And there's been many reports of...
	Oh, man, I should look that up, and I should actually translate it.
	There was a journalist in the Netherlands who we've not heard from since, I might mention...
	Who said, yeah, you know, this is actually how it works and I have a meeting.
	And he actually took pictures of the secret meeting room in the courthouse where he would meet with government officials and they would tell him what to write about either certain legal cases or different topics of interest.
	And this has been going on for a long time, ever since, was it Roosevelt?
	Who thanked all of the journalists from Time Magazine, etc.
	He met with them.
	They're basically Bilderbergers.
	Who do this as well, in the Bilderberg meetings, there's all kinds of editors from top publications who are invited to this, and they never report on it, you know, because that's basically where they set the agenda and discuss what will and will not be printed and made public to the...
	You know, this used to happen with Microsoft.
	Microsoft used to have these meetings at one of their buildings on the Hood Canal.
	It used to be called the yearly Hood Canal meeting.
	And they would invite the top writers in the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and mostly mainstream media publications.
	And they'd take them out.
	Of course, these guys all have these requirements that they can't take more than $20 in gifts and all the rest of them.
	Meanwhile, they get an audience with a Gates bomber and the rest of them, along with an overnight stay, which they're supposed to be somehow reimbursed the company for.
	It's a scam.
	over it but then they never report on that itself is not disclosed because of the corruption of the non-disclosure agreement you know is permeated all of media so they sign off that they can't say anything and you know me like i i was never invited these by the way because i don't know i want to know that disclosure yeah right outside and then disclosure if i'm like you know would be from a board member of some corporation but i'm not But I won't sign a non-disclosure as a journalist.
	I mean, it just seems unethical to me.
	Everyone bitches and moans about the fact that I go out to expensive dinners, but they sign non-disclosures.
	I mean, it seems that's the problem.
	Anyway, but somebody told me all the details, and of course I wrote it up in one of the columns, and that was the end of it.
	It killed the meetings.
	But let's not underestimate what a dinner can mean.
	A little closer to home, just two nights ago, one of our investment firms, an outstanding investment firm who really has four major investments in media, they put together an evening at a great restaurant here in the city.
	I'm going to look up the name of it because I'm sure you've been there.
	And so they invited the founders of...
	What was it?
	Hold on a second.
	Let me find the name of this place.
	It was...
	Probaco?
	Perbaco.
	Perbaco.
	P-E-R-B-A-C-C-O. Perbaco.
	I've never been there.
	Nice restaurant.
	They had a huge, long table, private room.
	And they got to come.
	The reporters from Time Magazine, New York Times, Bloomberg.
	Had a great talk with a Bloomberg guy, by the way.
	USA Today.
	Yeah, but these are staged events.
	But bear with me.
	Still, I can see that, yes, it's a staged event, but it was a nice dinner.
	They were treated well, great food, great wine.
	If you want to keep getting the free dinners as a starving journalist, you're not going to really slam somebody.
	You're just not.
	You may be critical.
	You may have a certain angle.
	No, I'm not going to argue the point.
	Now, I go out to expensive dinners, but I don't go to these group meetings, A. And B, I only go to gossip.
	And with people who like to tell tales out of class about their competition mostly.
	But the point is that I'm making is that there's a corrupt factor that's all over the place.
	It has to be taken into account.
	But nothing to me is more corrupt than the non-disclosure agreement where somebody signs off on saying that they never had this meeting or they can't say they went to the thing.
	As a journalist, I would say that's pretty much against the entire concept.
	And it is standard operating procedure.
	Well, based upon that, I think we can definitely make a choice between...
	I have at least three today for you.
	So I'd have to say there were three main news events, all of which could have been deemed or can be deemed as the media distraction of the week.
	I'll start with, and this just blew me away.
	Actually, the Bloomberg guy who I had dinner with told me about this, and I hadn't heard about it.
	He knew nothing about Copenhagen, but he knew about this.
	Bloomberg.
	What, he knew nothing about Copenhagen?
	Very little.
	Really, very, very little.
	I was amazed, and I was telling him a few things, like, hey, you know, actually, I think I went a little overboard.
	I always.
	He was like, I have to go home and Google some stuff right now.
	I'll see you later.
	About another set of White House party crashers.
	Yeah.
	And I was amazed by this.
	I'm like, wow, these guys, you know, they were so desperate to cover up what I and I actually have a clip of that to cover up the one point two trillion dollar spending bill that was rammed through the house.
	Let me just repeat that.
	$1.2 trillion.
	Here we are talking about Medicare for weeks on end, which is less than that, but about the same amount as proposed.
	But no one, as far as I can tell, reported on this.
	And there was some real discussion going on, some angry congressmen and women.
	There's a lot of pork in this thing, too, I understand.
	Oh, no kidding.
	Where are we getting this money?
	Well, hold on a second.
	Before we get to that, the only thing I can think to myself is, wow, they were so desperate to distract the attention that they said, fuck it, that party crasher thing worked.
	Do that one again.
	Pull that one out, quick.
	Let's do it.
	Then, of course, there's...
	Silvio Berlusconi...
	By the way, in the party crasher thing, I watched one of the congressional hearings on that, and it's a scam, obviously, because the White House won't even send their social people that are supposed to monitor this stuff.
	Executive privilege.
	The social secretary does not have to speak under the executive privilege clause.
	Yeah, so the whole thing is either a scam or there's something else going on.
	Gee, you think, John?
	Well, you know, the other thing that might be going on, based on your theories, is the possibility that they're going to keep doing this, that they're going to have these people getting close to their president at the drop of a hat as a message from the CIA to tell Obama that, you know, he's got no protection.
	Well, this is the way, of course, it's being perceived in two ways.
	Many people are scared, saying, wow, you know, our president is unprotected, and others are saying, hey, if we can't even protect the president, how can we protect the country?
	You know, that meme was also discussed at the table.
	Now, of course, we have a mantra.
	We have an entire formula for this program, not to be taken literally.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	So, Gitmo Nation Italia was listening.
	Yeah, I know this is a great distraction, but this is more of a European distraction.
	I don't think Americans paid much attention to it.
	No, not at all, because no one...
	I mean, Italy is so engrossed with their Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, who's one of the richest men in the world.
	He owns all of the media, literally.
	He owns the media, so he has a complete lockdown.
	My sister who lives there, Willow...
	It says, you know, I have a theory, a don't look over here theory.
	It says, up until Sunday, the main news in Italy was that a pentito, which is a mafia turncoat, had accused Berlusconi and Del Utre, which is one of his jabronis, of having very serious mafia connections.
	Specifically when they entered politics in 93, when they founded the Forza Italia political party.
	So this was the top of the news.
	You know, people are really focusing in.
	And they've been trying to nail Berlusconi for a long time.
	With illegal campaign contributions, and then all of a sudden he changes the law so that that is outside the statute of limitations.
	So he's been real slippery.
	Yeah, he's been fantastically slick.
	Yeah, he's the Teflon prime minister.
	So this is top of the news, and then all of a sudden, boom, we get some crazy guy who threw a statue.
	A miniature statue.
	And I have the footage.
	I put it in the show notes at noagendashow.com.
	It's very violent.
	Because most of the media has kind of like a bunch of people.
	They don't really see it.
	But I was watching, I think it was Raya Uno.
	And I got a clip from there.
	And you see the guy.
	I mean, he throws this thing hard.
	I mean, it busted his teeth.
	I mean, it really, really hit him.
	So it's quite a way to go for a media distraction.
	I would think.
	I think a pie would have been better.
	Thank you.
	Well, maybe they said, you know, pie.
	He's like, what?
	Statue?
	Who knows?
	Anyway, our listener there in Italy, Willow, asserts that she says, oh, here's what's going to happen.
	He's going to go to the hospital.
	He's going to go to the guy's parents' house, and he'll do a whole emotional show of how he forgives him because, of course, he's mentally ill, and the media will be all over it to capture it, and then he'll be Mr.
	Good Guy again.
	You know, turn the other cheek, as it were.
	So there was that distraction, which...
	Yeah, that's a gem, especially if it's orchestrated.
	Well, again, it's quite a ways to go, but these guys will go to any number of desperate measures.
	Berlusconi is the hero of hookers and blow.
	I mean, this guy is all about that.
	He's a party animal.
	And we had Sarkozy call him up and...
	I'm sorry, Putin call him up and say, Hey, man, you're real macho.
	You really stood up to that.
	And, of course, Putin is the guy who has official pictures taken of himself riding bareback, bare-chested on a wild stallion while he's hunting.
	He's hunting for elephants or whatever.
	And then the final one, which completely blew me away, because you know what is happening today, John?
	Today, in the Senate Finance Committee, after the...
	The hearings in the Senate, the Senate Finance Committee will vote to decide if Ben Bernanke should be re-elected as the chairman of the Federal Reserve.
	And what happens just one day before all of this, Ben Bernanke is announced as the person of the year for Time Magazine, which used to be known as the man of the year, is now the person of the year.
	And if this isn't an orchestrated, perfectly laid out plan, then I don't know what is.
	Of course, it makes total sense because Ben Bernanke, you know, look at the other choices.
	We could have chosen Obama, which would have been a very logical choice.
	I mean, you get a Nobel Peace Prize, you might as well throw him up on the cover.
	You could have chosen Michelle.
	Michelle would have been an excellent choice.
	I mean, there's plenty of people.
	You could have chosen posthumously.
	Here's something you could have done.
	You could have put 3,000 faces on the cover of all of our servicemen and women who have died, in my humble opinion, in vain, fighting foreign wars, which are senseless.
	That would have been good.
	That would have been a really good one.
	You know, one of those big collages.
	But no, of course, they choose the actual boss, the actual ruler.
	He is Obama's boss.
	They choose Ben Bernanke.
	And put him on the cover.
	That's just unbelievable as a move.
	That's all that people are talking about.
	And you probably will only hear somewhere next week, just before Christmas, when no one's really paying any attention.
	Oh, he was reinstated.
	And congratulations.
	Business as usual.
	Well, the guy going after him is Bernie Sanders of Vermont.
	And...
	Bernie's not a guy that we would agree with on most topics, but he's really irked about this Bernanke guy.
	So he did a big press conference, and he brought a bunch of people out to moan and groan.
	And I have a clip from...
	One of the people he brought out was a professor who is a professor of economics and law.
	And I think it's at the University of Missouri.
	I don't absolutely...
	But anyway, he just blasts Bernanke.
	You can play pieces of it if you want.
	But he blasts him for like...
	It's just a broadside that is like, when you listen to this, you go, why is this guy...
	In this office at all.
	And, you know, he's...
	Well, you will recall we played the 13-14 minute clip, I believe that was two episodes ago, of his confirmation hearings where he was blasted in the committee on C-SPAN as the guy responsible for everything.
	Yeah.
	Horrible, horrible guy.
	Everybody agrees with that, even though he's starting to hear a meme that he saved it.
	Oh, he brought us back from the precipice.
	Yeah, we would have been, we would have been, you know, nothing has improved, by the way.
	Unemployment is still going up.
	People are dropping off the unemployment rolls, so the numbers are really bogus now, but they're extremely high.
	Business is not good.
	People are not getting those.
	Nothing has improved.
	One iota, and we don't know for a fact, because there's no way of doing a double-blind study, that if he had done, let these big companies fail, the ones that are too big to fail, Just let them go bankrupt.
	You know, companies go bankrupt all the time.
	Airlines go bankrupt, and they stay in business.
	It's not like they disappear off the face of the earth, but they go through a process, a normal process.
	But by bailing all these guys out, it's created probably worse than the situation.
	Did you have a chance to read the Rolling Stone article that I posted on the show notes from last week?
	You must read this because then you will see how the Obama administration carefully orchestrated people going in and out in order to facilitate this huge bailout Which, of course, is just a setup so everyone get some money, go buy some real assets, buy some land in Paraguay, buy some airplanes and boats, and buy your house because you'll be bankrupt.
	And then get ready for the final collapse, which is imminent and is probably three years out.
	Well, let's play this professor's clip first, and then I want people to hear what's happening in the house today.
	With this $1.2 trillion that was spent that no one is talking about.
	So here's the professor.
	Let me introduce Professor Bill Black.
	Bill, do you want to come up?
	I've been asked to be very brief to give you more time for questions, so I'm going to concentrate only on the regulatory side.
	First thing that you need to know is that the Fed was unique.
	It had authority under an act called HAWIPA, During this entire time period to regulate and prevent the subprime lending by otherwise unregulated entities.
	These are the mortgage bankers primarily that made 80% of the non-prime loans.
	The Fed Under Greenspan and under Bernanke refused to use that authority.
	And it refused to use that authority even though the FBI warned publicly in congressional testimony beginning in September 2004 that there was a, quote, epidemic, unquote, of mortgage fraud developing and predicted it would produce a financial crisis.
	And Bernanke's colleague on the Fed, Ned Gramlich, personally warned that there was a housing bubble of immense proportions developing and that there were extraordinary problems in subprime lending and that the examiners needed to be sent in.
	And this is what the Senator was just talking about.
	There was never a disagreement on substance between Greenspan and Bernanke.
	They were the twins on these issues.
	They refused to send in the examiners.
	They refused to use their authority under the statute.
	So wouldn't that be enough for people to understand that this is intentional and that it's set up?
	And I think we just might want to remind people that the Federal Reserve, even though it has, and we've said this so many times, even though it has a governmental sounding name, that it is a group, a conglomerate, a cabal, it's a profit-making, I think it actually is a for-profit organization that is made up of private banks.
	Yeah.
	Groups of banks.
	And by the way, an unpublished list.
	They're not even transparent enough to let us know who actually are in this cabal.
	And their entire job is to...
	Make money.
	And the way you make money, people just can't understand and we don't have time on this show to get into it.
	I don't think we could even explain it, but there's plenty of YouTube videos out there that do a pretty good job, is that when a bank lends you money, So if a bank gives you, John C. Dvorak, a mortgage for $100,000, which pretty much about covers the value of your home,
	as I've seen it, they actually then, on their books, it's an asset, they can then lend out another $900,000 to other people.
	And this is how the system works.
	And because it's a closed loop, all of these banks communicate through the central bank, which is the Federal Reserve.
	In other countries, it's called the central bank, but that's exactly what it is.
	This is how they control the entire financial system.
	And this is what is not taught in school, obviously, for very good reason, because, ooh, boy, no one would want to catch on to their scam.
	But this is how it works, and they've enriched themselves, and they're friends, and they've all been in positions of bankers.
	So Bernanke was the CEO of Goldman Sachs.
	Who's winning right now?
	Who is doing fantastically well?
	Goldman Sachs.
	You can look at it however you want, but...
	Coincidence?
	I think not!
	It's just not.
	You have to understand, in general, in principle, all people are very good, and all people can be very bad.
	And sometimes the bad just overshadows the rest.
	And it's a cycle.
	The bad is now in power.
	Do you want to do more of this, Professor?
	Yeah, yeah.
	He's got another point that's even more interesting.
	Go forward in time.
	It is, I think, no secret that the Chamber of Commerce is not exactly a friend of the Obama administration.
	And the president has just said that he wasn't elected to represent fat cat bankers.
	Well, Ben Bernanke is the person who delivered for the Fat Cat Bankers in the form of the ABA, the American Bankers Association.
	Wow, that's the link you sent me, right, about the American Bankers Association?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, let's talk about that in a second.
	And for the Chamber of Commerce.
	Because what they desperately wanted, and what Ben Bernanke signaled approval for...
	Picking up even their talking points in the language he used was to gut the accounting rules this year.
	And so now banks don't have to recognize losses.
	So what do they do?
	They report that they're highly profitable.
	And that produces immense executive bonuses.
	We have lied at the behest Of entities that are completely repugnant to the administration, supposedly, and yet the administration seeks to reappoint.
	There you go.
	That's good.
	Yeah, that is fascinating because the article you sent me, John, and that's actually listed for those, because the links are so long, that's actually listed under the Dvorak links heading in the show notes at NoAgendaShow.com called Naming the Enemy.
	Where the National People's Action, who I guess every spring they go out and they organize and they go protest something.
	These are very smart protesters because while everyone is looking at people like Ken...
	What's his name?
	What's the Citibank guy?
	Yeah, the Citibank guy.
	Ken Lewis.
	And the media distraction is about the golden toilets.
	It's like...
	That really is gutter journalism.
	So everyone's talking about the bankers pooping on gold toilets.
	The true evil is being ignored.
	That would be the American Bankers Association.
	In particular, a guy named Ed Yingling.
	And so now they're going to protest on his front lawn, which is appropriate.
	Which is why, by the way, the Goldman Sachs, which is also received, Goldman Sachs had a big, almost many Goldman Sachs executives are being targeted by these.
	Which is why they've all registered handguns.
	Yeah, they're armed to the teeth because they think their houses are going to be stormed.
	And by the way...
	It's always a possibility.
	I would be armed to the teeth too if I was a Goldman Sachs guy.
	I'd have more than a few handguns and a couple of shotguns, and I'd have a bunch of security guards around my place, and I wouldn't let the kids go out alone.
	You know, I got a quick note from one of our producers, Amon.
	And he said, so I'm at work eight miles away from the Miramar base.
	I just saw two transport helicopters, Chinooks, three F-15s, a stealth bomber, and an AC-130 fly overhead.
	My guess is they came up from Camp Pendleton on the way to the Miramar base.
	There is a tremendous amount, and there's lots of reports about this, a tremendous amount of troop movements in the United States, in particular in the Republic of California.
	And there are many out there, and unfortunately I have to subscribe to it, that are thinking that there is an actual worry amongst the government, unreported, that we could get some form of real public disorder because people are really hungry and pissed off.
	Yeah, well that's been going on for a while.
	You know, the public is pissed off, but they're not, you know, the problem is that people that have orchestrated demonstrations tend to be socialists, just straight up.
	And they don't get a good response from the public at large.
	Because when you start digging around, you find they're always part of the world's worker party, which really wants to overthrow the government completely and replace it with a Hugo Chavez character and that kind of thing.
	So it doesn't...
	We've managed to divide and conquer.
	I've been watching a couple different left-wingers now and listening to their complaints about things.
	And if you go to the complete right wing to the Tea Party folks and then you go to the left wing to the progressives, the most left wing of the progressives, they actually, if you start listening to them, they both have the same complaint.
	Yeah.
	It's almost identical except for the stuff, the middling things, the stuff in the middle.
	There's a bunch of stuff in the middle that they disagree on completely.
	But the big picture stuff, the big economic issues, the corruption and all this kind of thing, they're in total agreement with.
	Amazing to me.
	But we've got a divide and conquer approach that's been beautifully executed.
	And these two groups never talk to each other.
	And if they do, they're throwing fists because they're throwing fists over abortion rights or right to life or some of these crazy things in the middle.
	That really are separating the two groups.
	So you come up with, you know, climate's another one.
	The progressive far left, they're big believers in the climate thing.
	And the ones on the right hate them.
	They think it's bogus.
	But they both agree that cap-and-trade is bad.
	But they can't just get together on this.
	I find it fascinating that we have this dichotomous.
	And it's set up by the right-wing ideologues.
	And I'll put Rush Limbaugh in that group who have a checklist.
	And they have a checklist of what you have to believe in as a conservative, and this checklist is extremely rigid, which is very unconservative-like, if you think about it.
	It's extremely rigid, and if you're not part of it, you're a rhino, a Republican in name only, or some other moniker thrown at you to indicate you're less than a...
	I would have to make no mistake, Rush Limbaugh is on board with the program.
	I mean, he's part of the divide and conquer, or what is often called the left-right paradigm, where you just have people fighting over stuff all the time, and meanwhile, it's business as usual, and the stealing and the corruption continues.
	And this is not unique to the United States.
	It's pretty much everywhere.
	Well, it's an old trick.
	It goes way back.
	So do you want to hear a little bit of Representative John Culberson?
	And it was interesting because I got this new iPhone app, the C-SPAN iPhone app.
	I'm so happy with this.
	All they need is a little record button.
	Oh my God, that would be perfect.
	So you can get C-SPAN 1, C-SPAN 2, and then C-SPAN radio.
	So I'm listening yesterday morning as I'm shaving.
	It's like 8.30, and of course it's later on the East Coast.
	And I hear this guy go off.
	I'm like, holy crap!
	And I have to say, thank God for C-SPAN. So I went to the website, and the entire 10 hours of debate over this $1.2 trillion spending bill, which is disguised as salaries and clothing for our troops fighting wars overseas...
	But there's a whole bunch of...
	All of a sudden, there's all kinds of other things in there.
	I read through the bill, of course, because now you can download it.
	But that wasn't the case when they started this debate.
	In fact, it was completely the opposite of the transparency that the Obama administration promised us.
	And this is not quite as long as your professor clip.
	It's a little long.
	But listen to this guy go off, telling it straight up as it is.
	Forget about what's in the bill.
	Just listen to how...
	Our representatives are working and what they have to do and what it's related to.
	One of the most fiscally conservative members of the House, Mr.
	Culberson.
	How much time does the gentleman in New York?
	Such time as he may consume.
	The gentleman from Texas is recognized.
	Thank you, Madam Speaker.
	I want us to slow down for just a minute and think about what is happening here today.
	The House is scheduled to vote today on a package of Four massive bills spending over 1.1 trillion hard-earned tax dollars.
	Which of course is not true because we don't actually have the money, but that's aside.
	That will be paid for by additional debt that our children must repay.
	Worst of all, these bills were only posted on the internet last night to the American people to see about 11 o'clock.
	Literally 13 hours for the public, for the taxpayers, for the members of Congress to read these bills, spending over $1,100 trillion.
	Interesting, he misspeaks there because it would be $1,100 billion, not trillion.
	But you remember what the promise was, don't you, John?
	The promise was...
	Yeah, everything would be posted for a few days or whatever.
	72 hours, yeah.
	So he brings this up correctly.
	And I've scouted around, Madam Speaker, I've scouted around, Madam Speaker, and the only copy of the bill before us, the defense bill, that anybody can find is the one up there on the clerk's desk.
	These bills were put up on the Internet 13 hours ago.
	They're not even outside in the House lobby.
	And it's always tradition at an absolute minimum that members of Congress would be able to physically read the bill outside in the lobby.
	But this is all I've found.
	So he holds up an empty cardboard box.
	So let me just reiterate what's happening here.
	That Congress is debating a bill which includes all kinds of new additions, which is known as pork.
	It's all been put into this bill which the members of the House who are about to debate this and subsequently vote on it have not been able to read.
	It has been withheld from them.
	This empty box outside the lobby is all we have before us today.
	$1,100 trillion spent in a little over 12 hours Why the rush?
	Now, this is the good one.
	So, of course, the question is, why do we have to do this?
	You know, this is a lot of money.
	It's very important because it is about supplying our troops.
	Of course, there's all kinds of other stuff, and the debate is fantastic.
	If you have ten hours, I've listened to about six of it.
	Why are we rushing to do this so Speaker Pelosi can catch a plane to Copenhagen?
	We're spending $1.1 trillion On top of the 6.7 trillion that this liberal majority has already spent this year, that means in the course of 12 months, This liberal majority in Congress has already spent in this house nearly eight trillion dollars in twelve months.
	It's unprecedented.
	It is unsupportable.
	It will bankrupt this nation and crush our children under a burden of debt that they cannot possibly repay without crushing tax burdens and massive sacrifices.
	We may be the first generation in American history that leaves our children worse off Than the world we inherited from our parents.
	It's just unacceptable and outrageous.
	And as my colleague, Representative Brian Baird and I, Madam Speaker, introduced legislation earlier this year to require the House to lay these bills out, every bill, for at least 72 hours before they can be voted on on the floor.
	And I just would ask the speaker a simple question.
	What's more important, giving the American people time to read these bills, to give the members of Congress time to read these bills, or to catch an airplane to a global warming conference?
	That's really what's going on here today.
	And so, of course, I googled that, and lo and behold, and of course this is also in the show notes, U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will lead a 21-member congressional delegation to the United Nations-sponsored meeting in Copenhagen.
	And she says, oh yes, you gotta love it.
	We see Copenhagen as a meeting about job creation.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	Yeah!
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs.
	Arbeit, Arbeit, Arbeit.
	Do you hear what's happening?
	Do you hear the whole world using this jobs meme?
	Do you hear that, listeners?
	It's how we move forward to create millions of clean energy jobs and new technologies to keep America number one.
	So, there you have it.
	And of course, the way it's supposed to work is, yes, that was the whole deal, is we get to read it.
	People like John and I read this stuff, and then you get to comment on it.
	You can call your representatives.
	These people aren't just like, they didn't come out of the poop.
	You know, they're representatives, they're elected.
	You're supposed to be able to talk to them, and if you want, even lobby them.
	That's allowed.
	And have input before they go in.
	And now they're essentially voting blind.
	I wonder if Pelosi flew in that 767 that she required the Air Force to provide for her.
	I don't think it's big enough.
	I think she had to get a 747 because a 767, I don't know if it can make the trek in one go.
	Well, actually from D.C. Oh, yeah, it can.
	No, no problem.
	Yeah, from D.C. It can, for sure.
	No, you're right.
	It can.
	It can.
	So, that's the government at work.
	It's so unfortunate because the resources are all there.
	C-SPAN is there.
	You can hear this in real time.
	I did a little informal poll at the office yesterday.
	Another poll from the office.
	Yes, we did a jingle.
	And so these are young kids, but in their mid-twenties, some just about to hit 30.
	And I said, we have a little production meeting.
	I said, hey, who here knows about Copenhagen?
	One person.
	Who is that?
	Amy.
	And I said, so what do you know about it?
	Well, there's something, some global warming thing going on over there.
	And she gets her news from, she said, I watch headline news, I get 20 minutes, everything I need in the morning.
	Oops.
	In the morning!
	And I'm good to go.
	And the other ones had never even heard of anything going on in Copenhagen.
	So what's worse is these people are not being indoctrinated.
	The 20% in the room, that's one person, who did know about what's going on got it from CNN headline news in a 20-minute nugget.
	Of course, she knew everything about Tiger Woods.
	And everything about the White House Party Crashers, and don't even bring up Balloon Boy.
	By the way, he would have been great for Time Magazine's Person of the Year.
	That would have been a perfect one, Balloon Boy.
	And it saddens me.
	She did give me a good tip, though.
	And this is something that when we get the stream rocking somewhere in the new year, which is the entire plan when I quit my day job.
	He said, can you give me in five minutes what's going on?
	And I said, okay, here's what's happening.
	Copenhagen is a setup that Al Gore participated in.
	Global warming is not true.
	It was made so that they can put in global rules, global governance, and eventually will lead to the male sterilization pill so that you cannot have more than one child, if any children at all, to reduce the population and have total control over you.
	You said, oh cool, thanks.
	Okay, could you just do that every single day?
	Because I'd listen to that.
	A good buddy of mine, I'll put a link and show this to his blog.
	I like that.
	He wrote a great blog post.
	He said, I'm setting up, just like the carbon credits exchange that Al Gore has, he says, I'm setting up a child exchange, so we can have child credits.
	So that's a great idea.
	Yeah, you can sell your birthright.
	So if you're a woman of birth-yielding age or younger, you could give this for your 13th birthday, like your bat mitzvah.
	Here you go.
	If you decide not to have children, then you can sell that credit to people who do want to have more than one child.
	It's a great idea, John.
	We could be gazillionaires.
	We need to set up the exchange to do this.
	Yes.
	Like Al Gore did.
	We have to see what Gore did for his climate exchange system and we can just copy it.
	So meanwhile, the whole argument there in Copenhagen is it's been shifted, craftily so, because of course there are hundreds of thousands of people are protesting and people are getting arrested and even the Danish are going like, dude, you know, this is pretty extreme.
	Of course, nobody's reporting on any of this correctly.
	Why would you?
	You've implemented draconian laws to basically stop people from protesting.
	But they want this.
	They do want the protesting to take place because the protesters are protesting the wrong thing.
	They think they're protesting cap and trade because it doesn't actually solve the problem.
	What they should be protesting is the entire lie and the fact that this is about ushering in a one-world government and to have less people on earth, which I would assert also has not been proven as the solution, even though China thinks it's a good idea.
	And was that crazy woman from Canada who writes about it?
	She's a former reporter.
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	Oh, I'll have to look that up.
	She's, uh, who, by the way, has two children herself.
	She's saying, oh, no, everyone's no more than one child.
	But she has two.
	The funny thing is, the only idiots that would adopt this policy are just going to be swamped under by the poorest people in the world who use children as a form of entertainment.
	Some of them have six, seven, eight, nine kids.
	They need them to help.
	It's cheap labor.
	Hey kid, dance monkey boy.
	Make your daddy laugh, will ya?
	Do something.
	Do something funny.
	So I think we should seriously investigate that, John.
	We should, the child credit exchange.
	The CCE. Yeah, I think it's a...
	Child credit exchange.
	CCE, yeah.
	Has a nice ring to it.
	Yeah, doesn't it?
	Oy, yeah.
	So while we're on this topic of the global warming debate, why don't you play the jingle, by the way, since we might as well...
	Oh yeah, we might as well open up the gate.
	I'm sorry, I'm a little bit sore today.
	To the gate, to the gate, to the climate gates.
	Might actually be interesting to play this tonight.
	I'm very aware of the huge amount of listeners we have in Gitmo Nation East, known as Europe, on Newsnight, which is, of course, a program that is deemed as journalistically outstanding.
	They had on...
	I'm trying to look for the notes here.
	They had on...
	It's almost irrelevant.
	But listen to this guy who was talking about the Climategate emails and how he is changing the truth Maybe we just call it lying.
	And then who he actually accuses of releasing this just in time for Copenhagen.
	Listen to this.
	Oh, hold on a second.
	Why did that happen?
	That's not correct.
	Here we go.
	Exaggerated.
	It sounds like things have been held back from the public.
	And this sense of distrust has me concerned.
	Yeah.
	And by the way, that is exactly the object that the hackers had in getting into the emails.
	Remember that these emails go back to 1998.
	So they've been accumulating them.
	So that's lie number one.
	This is just technically dumb to say this.
	So they've been doing this since 1998.
	They've been saving them, waiting to release them.
	This is horse crap.
	Of course it is.
	Dude, it's like they just got the archive.
	It's like people save their emails.
	You know, you're supposed to.
	So the guy, okay, so the guy, nobody's talking about her, he's just an out-and-out liar.
	Yeah, well, let's listen to the rest.
	And they've just released them in the week before Copenhagen.
	Yeah, but that doesn't take away from the fact.
	No, no, let me come to the fact.
	Let me come to the fact, he says.
	Let me come to the fact.
	I just wanted to...
	Who is this guy?
	I'll look up in a second.
	I mean, I recognize that.
	Exactly.
	The strategy of these people who are hacking is important.
	Let me also make this allegation for the first time in public.
	It's an extraordinarily sophisticated piece of work to hack into all of these emails and mobile phone conversations.
	What agencies have got the sophistication to manage that?
	I leave you to think about that.
	All you need is to get to the root of the server.
	It's incredibly sophisticated.
	It is Professor Sir David King, who was the United Kingdom's chief scientific advisor between 2000 and 2007.
	And he says mobile phone conversations.
	I mean, what the hell is that?
	I think what he's saying...
	Because you'll recall that there was a huge scandal in the United Kingdom where the gossip magazines had access to mobile phone conversations.
	You recall that?
	Vaguely.
	Yeah, of course.
	Is that what happens?
	Is that the first thing to go, is the memory?
	Yeah.
	So he's talking about an agency.
	So is he asserting...
	Yeah, really.
	Good point.
	Is he asserting that it's news agencies, or is he asserting that it's maybe...
	He doesn't say.
	He's obviously just making some sort of blanket accusation, some sort of hacker, some cabal of hackers against oil companies.
	I don't know.
	The guy, obviously, he sounds corrupt.
	The guy is creepy, his voice.
	Yeah.
	And let me just point out this fact.
	This fact I must point out.
	So meanwhile, of course, at the meeting, the colors of the global warming meeting, besides the fact that people can't get in, you know, it's just a mess over there.
	People outside the global warming conference are freezing.
	Yeah.
	They're freezing.
	You can go to the blog, devark.org and look this up, but Hugo Chavez comes out, and he's there, and he gives an anti-capitalist, anti-Western speech that apparently gets a standing O. He essentially goes after us.
	I mean, he hates us, right?
	So he goes after us.
	Of course, he has part of a reason to, because I think the jackals tried to kill him a couple times, and he finally gave up on the West.
	So he goes after us, accuses us of doing all these bad things.
	It says capitalism is the problem.
	We need a socialist state, and the entire place goes berserk.
	Yay!
	This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it's all about.
	They want to set up the equivalent of a caliphate, a world socialist government run by guys like this who just steal money straight up without even having to...
	Forget the 72 hours of getting to read the bill or even 13.
	There'll be no zero hours.
	And I think it was the giveaway.
	And you start to see these guys now coming out of the woodwork because, you know, there's been some resistance by the West, especially the United States, about, well, I don't know if we should sign this.
	You know, let's do it next year and all this kind of stuff.
	These guys are getting impatient at trying to steal our money.
	And so now they're just coming after us with all kinds of vitriol.
	Could you explain the word caliphate?
	Yeah, caliphate is essentially what the Turkish Empire was when Muslims had essentially control of a huge area of the Middle East, Turkey, parts of Russia and the whole.
	It's essentially like an emperor, only it's run under Muslim law.
	And the caliphate is the desire to have the entire world under one Muslim leader, a sultan or whatever you want to call him, who would use Muslim authority to rule us all in some kind and gentle who would use Muslim authority to rule us all in some And that alone, my friends, is a $5 word you can use at the next cocktail party.
	Caliphate, C-L-A-F-A-T-E, I believe it's spelled.
	It's got P-H. C-A-L-I-C-A-L-I-F-A-T. Caliphate, okay.
	Wow, it's even better.
	And that alone should be the price of admission that we believe you should pay for this program.
	So this is your transition, I take it?
	This is my transition, because we're about 50 minutes into the show.
	Well, let me mention a few names while we're at it.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	We only got donations, except for our executive producer, from only three countries in the world.
	I find it fascinating.
	We got nothing from Australia, nothing from Canada.
	All of our donations came from the United States, the United Kingdom...
	Which is odd enough.
	And the Netherlands.
	And the Netherlands.
	And the Netherlands, I have to say, I've received at least ten different emails from producers slash listeners in the Netherlands.
	I have a couple of Dutch links in the show notes.
	NoagendaShow.com, Curry.com, Dvorak.org.
	They are, of course, in Dutch.
	You could do a Google translation.
	And people are, wow, they're awake.
	They're seeing it.
	I mean, the whole, because it's the same playbook.
	It's the exact same thing taking place in those countries.
	And they're switching on, they're tuning in, and they're identifying.
	It's a practice.
	So every country that's going through this process is having seen the same thing in different ways.
	I mean, although I do agree that the Netherlands is far out in front of everybody else.
	Yeah, because they're going to get the black box GPS installed in their cars any day now.
	So yeah, they are, which of course is happening here.
	So let's mention a few people.
	First of all, John Petruchina, Laurie Corpy, and John Treanor are continuing their night, March to Night Them.
	But in the Netherlands, we've got Youssef Tamayo.
	uh in amsterdam and he sent us a note which i'm going to pass along to you because you need to hear this ready please use an mp3 tag editor mp3 tag to change the cover picture type from other to front cover other is set by itunes this way the great in all caps album art which by the way is great of the show will also be displayed properly on nokia devices
	wow okay that's This is very typical because I use iTunes.
	So we record the show in raw AIFF, which is done for one reason only.
	That is, should something crash during the show, then I still have that show and I don't do a straight record to MP3 or anything.
	Then I transcode it down to MP3 and I use iTunes to essentially put in the cover art.
	And there is no functionality to change it to cover, of course, because Apple has their own thing.
	They don't really play nicely.
	Using the MP3 tag editor?
	Yeah.
	I'll do that.
	I'll see if I can do that for the show.
	Good suggestion.
	Thank you.
	Then, of course, we had Steven Peusmaker, who's from Belgium.
	Yeah, our executive producer.
	He's always in the chat room.
	He's all over the place.
	Okay, now we have $80 from Sander Hoeksbergen.
	Hoeksbergen?
	Hoeksbergen.
	Yes.
	And he says he's only given us the $80 to hear me pronounce Zondam again.
	Good job.
	Do it a couple more times.
	Is that the right pronunciation or not?
	It's Zandom.
	Zandom.
	It's like Amsterdam, so Zandom.
	Zandom, okay.
	But you have the inflection wrong.
	It's Zandom, not Zandom.
	Zandom, not Zandom.
	There you go.
	Zandom.
	Yeah, okay.
	Reflection on the first.
	Yeah, it's worth the eight bucks.
	He's honest.
	I don't want to say what address he's at, but I'll tell you he's on a street, which I'll repeat.
	Pelican Strat.
	Is that right?
	The Pelican Strat.
	The Pelican Strat.
	Yeah, correct.
	Pelican Strat.
	All right.
	This is why I do this show.
	There's no other reason.
	Brandon Rowles, who I'm sure getting his name straight from Pontiac, Michigan, gave 50.
	Daniel Shimyo, S-H-I-M-N-Y-O, in Astoria.
	He didn't give us the required amount, but he did give us...
	$22.18, which was left over in his PayPal account.
	And he mentioned, he says, his side job, his hobby job is to do music and do CDs occasionally.
	And now he says that this show of ours is giving him impetus to do more CDs and he'll give us the profits.
	Wow, that's cool.
	Send me a link to your store and we'll put that in the show notes.
	Links that rock.
	Fantastic.
	I'm going to have to sit there and do some music.
	John Smith from Parts Unknown gave us $100 because he was only going to give us $50, but he was so annoyed with those Beckwith clips that we ran last week from PBS that he gave us $100.
	Because he was annoyed by them?
	Yeah, he was annoyed.
	I think annoying people is the only way to get any money.
	Andrew Green from London gave us $100.01 at Palindrome, which the British seem to be enamored with.
	And then finally, our old friend Liam Hemmings from Buckinghamshire gave us $150.
	I want to thank him.
	And that's it for this week.
	So, you can count in your head that's not enough to have us go full-time.
	We do not receive enough in donations.
	I know it's a tough time because it's Christmas, but please do not forget your friendly internet pronouncicators who are here watching hours of C-SPAN. Painfully.
	The New York Times reporter, what does he make?
	$150,000 a year?
	About 125 maybe.
	I'll settle.
	I'll take 125.
	I'll take that.
	Well, look at this other thing.
	Let me read you this little clip here from other...
	This is just about from a Salon article.
	I found out that the Bill Gates Institute Foundation, the Bill Gates Foundation...
	The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
	Melinda.
	Melinda.
	They've been giving money to the Discovery Institute, which is that Seattle group that promotes creative design, creative intelligent design.
	They're anti-creationism.
	Yeah.
	No, they're anti-evolution.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	So I'm just going to read the little thing here.
	Other foundations that have given money to Discovery also seem unsure whether the nations may tarnish their image.
	Still, all insist the money they gave to Discovery does not go to fund Discovery's intelligent design work.
	Alberto Canale, a spokesman for the Verizon Foundation, says the five-year $74,000 grant the foundation made in Discovery in 2001 was earmarked for a lecture series.
	It goes on.
	The David and Lucille Packard Foundation gave $200,000 to Discovery's Cascadia Center.
	And he goes, we're talking about hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars, and we get about $1,000 a week.
	I'm telling you, there's got to be, and our audience is big, and it's growing.
	It is impossible to believe.
	There's got to be a patron out there.
	There's got to be someone who is saying, you know what, I'm just going to set these guys up and let them go for a year, you know, and really help them.
	And we can stretch a dollar.
	We can.
	I have decided, I decided many months ago, this is my life's work.
	I really want to continue it.
	I don't want to live in Obamaville.
	Did you see that video?
	Yeah, the Obamaville.
	I got a bunch of trouble with that Obamaville thing.
	By the way, I want to remind people to go to Dvorak.org slash NA or NoAgendaShow.com and click on one of the donation buttons and help us out.
	It's highly appreciated.
	And don't forget, try to become an executive producer.
	It'll pay off in the end.
	Yeah, it will.
	In fact, everything you give us will pay off.
	You'll get it back in good vibes.
	Dude, that's the law of the universe.
	If you do good, then good comes back to you.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Um, just to, uh, just not to pat myself on the back or anything.
	Oh, why not?
	But, uh, you know, people have scoffed and guffawed at me in particular, but I think we both sign on to the, uh, To the theory that a lot of what is happening in Afghanistan, besides the general theory that it is for the Unical pipeline, there's a lot of big Gitmo Nation initiatives that make that very important.
	We're pretty sure that the troop surge was sent just in the nick of time to help with the poppy harvest, seeing as, of course, output production of the raw materials for heroin from...
	Afghanistan is up 120%, or is it 120% production level?
	I'm not sure which one it is.
	And I have said many times that because the only type of organization in the world, in America, that is allowed to send more than $10,000 internationally...
	Are publicly listed companies.
	And I've been saying for a long time, ever since we started this show, that the drug money is slushed through to Wall Street because, you know, if I want to send $10,001 overseas, then I have to go through all these hoops.
	I have to report it.
	You know, there's all kinds of systems that kick in, particularly if you're sending it to the Netherlands.
	Then it goes through SWIFT and the U.S. can look at it and you get taxed on it and there's all kinds of huge systems in place.
	But if you're a publicly listed company, a Wall Street company, and let's face it, what are the big ones doing all the business?
	It's the banks.
	They're all listed publicly.
	You can buy shares in the banks.
	The United Nations...
	So those of you who believe that there's global warming, that means you believe in the United Nations.
	So that means you would have to believe this report that the UN Office on Drugs and Crime came out with saying they have evidence that the proceeds of organized crime, in particular drug money...
	Indeed.
	Indeed.
	So there you have it.
	We have a link to that article.
	I have a link to the article in the Guardian that reported on it.
	Hidden, of course.
	And there's also a link to the actual report, which is worth reading.
	By the way, we read this stuff.
	Even the Bloomberg guy that I was having dinner with, I was talking about the Lisbon Treaty, and I really went overboard with him.
	And I said, you know, I read that.
	You did?
	What?
	I said, yeah, dude.
	You know, it's not that hard, except you have to find all the protocols and the subtext and everything, because it's all kind of pulled apart.
	But yeah, you know, it's just people writing it.
	You know, it's just lawyers.
	You know, I'm not impressed.
	You know, lawyers are just paid to speak a different language.
	We've got Google.
	You know, I've got a dictionary.
	I can look up words.
	I'm always inquisitive about what a word means, what the intent is.
	You know, it's not that hard.
	You can do this.
	Oh, wow, really?
	And there's links.
	You can download the house appropriation bills, the four ones they were debating.
	It's right there.
	You can download it.
	It's okay.
	Scroll right down to the end.
	That's where the park is all included.
	Interesting, by the way, how they've put in...
	Recipients of the cash.
	So the appropriations bill actually lists who the money is going to.
	So it's not even up for a tender, like any for-profit company can bid on these contracts.
	It's already in there.
	It's just in there.
	Boom, boom, boom, boom, yeah.
	Crazy.
	Alright, so let's shift gears a little bit.
	Do you want to stop on ClimateGate?
	Because there were a couple of very important pieces of news that came out.
	Like what?
	Well, Al Gore.
	He did a little closed conference, but it was for journalists.
	In Copenhagen as he flew his G5 up there.
	And he claimed...
	I can't believe you missed this, John.
	He claimed...
	Oh, about the ice cap?
	Yeah, he says, these figures are fresh, he said in his speech.
	Oh, he lies about a lot of the stuff.
	Some of the models suggest there is a 75% chance that the entire North Polar ice...
	And they jumped on it for the 75%.
	Let me finish.
	Let me finish.
	Not everyone has a blog.
	Yes, they do.
	Some of the models suggest there's a 75% chance the entire North Polar ice cap during the summer months could be completely ice-free within five to seven years.
	Unfortunately, the scientist that Gore quoted the research from, Dr.
	Wiesloff Malowski, And I love the way this is written in, let me see what publication is this, T.G. Daly.
	Rather pissed on his chips by stating, it's unclear to me how this figure was arrived at.
	I would never try to estimate likelihood of anything as exact as that.
	Al Gore's spokesman backpedaled furiously, saying the figure quoted was merely a ballpark figure that was mentioned in a conversation between...
	He made it up as going along.
	He probably had some images of the polar...
	Yeah, there he is standing in front of him.
	Yeah, the polar ice cap, there's a distinctive cycle.
	Oh, what else could it be but global warming?
	Well, maybe the sun?
	But there's been a long-term cycle of the northern Arctic ice cap, specifically, Of it melting completely.
	I mean, it's been navigated by the Chinese.
	I think it was a thousand years ago there's documentation for that.
	And it comes and goes.
	I mean, it's better by most people's standards that it goes rather than creates an ice age the other way.
	When the Vikings came across, there was no ice up there.
	I mean, there was very little.
	Greenland was named Greenland because it was a green place they could plant.
	And there's Viking villages that have discovered 70 feet under the ice.
	Yeah.
	Meanwhile, one of the main climate change opponents, live on Danish television, got a heart attack.
	Yeah, that was a weird one.
	We have that blog, too.
	Yeah, some guy, he was a complainer.
	He was a denialist.
	And he's going on about something.
	Somebody came over and touched him, and he dropped dead.
	Well, he had a heart attack.
	And it was frightening.
	And you know what?
	A heart attack...
	I thought normally people grab their arm or something.
	It looked like it was weird, man.
	It looked like he got an electric shock.
	That's exactly what it looked like.
	It was like they switched the chip on.
	It's like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
	Over on screen 3042.
	Hey, something's going on.
	Zap him.
	Zap him now.
	Zap him.
	Okay.
	It was pretty screwy.
	Got him.
	We're safe.
	They got him off the stage.
	They drug him.
	And you haven't heard anything.
	You haven't heard any follow-up to that.
	You didn't even see that on mainstream television.
	No.
	Lord Moncton, who kind of started off the public debate by going out and making speeches, he went and interviewed some of the Greenpeace.
	Here's your left-right paradigm right here.
	Some of the Greenpeace protesters.
	Have you seen that clip, John?
	No.
	Oh, let's listen to a bit of it.
	He's interviewing Greenpeace protesters.
	Well, it's very kind of you to come here and join our conference today.
	May I ask why you have come?
	I think I've already answered that question.
	I've just come because I'm a member of Greenpeace, and we've heard that this conference is about people who negate climate change.
	Right.
	Now, there has been climate change, hasn't there, for four billion years?
	Well, you tell me.
	I'm young.
	Here, here.
	So, the point of this video, we'll play a couple more interviews, is all these people who were with Greenpeace protesting, who were sent by Greenpeace, Don't actually know what's going on.
	They have no information.
	They don't actually know the facts.
	That's a good answer.
	That's a very good answer.
	Can I ask you then, if there's been climate change for 4 billion years, why are you against it now?
	Because, well, over the last, well, let's say over the last 80 years, climate change has been really, really accelerating and we have a big problem now and we need to act very, very eagerly.
	Right.
	Now, the UN, in its calculations, shows that in all but the last 20 years, we could not have had any effect on the climate.
	It's a very recent effect that we might have had.
	So, given that there has been warming for 300 years, and 280 years, we could not have made any difference.
	Are you saying that in the last 20 years, we have suddenly done something that really changes the climate?
	Well, if you look at glaciers, if you look at the polar, at the poles, and if you look at weather changes, it's very, very obvious.
	They're talking about the poles.
	Are you saying that there has been any unusual melting of ice at the poles?
	I think so.
	And how do you know that?
	Because I'm reading reports, I'm hearing people talk.
	Ah, Al Gore said so.
	I'm reading the press.
	Have you ever checked any of the data from the scientific institutions or in the learned literature directly?
	Well, I have checked the reports from, for instance, the reports from Greenpeace because they...
	And Greenpeace is a campaigning organisation, isn't it?
	What do you mean by campaigning?
	Well, it's not a weather bureau, is it?
	No, of course not.
	No.
	So my question then is, why do you believe reports, whether from Greenpeace or anybody else, without having actually checked them?
	I mean, I've seen it because I'm from Norway, actually.
	I'm from Norway, and I've seen glaciers 20 years ago, and they were much bigger than they are now.
	And I see that fauna and flora is changing in Norway because of global warming.
	But this has been happening for 4 billion years, as we agreed before.
	You will get changes sometimes.
	Boom!
	Locked in.
	So, you know, watch that entire clip.
	Moncton is great, man.
	He's out on the street doing this.
	Yeah, no, he's a character.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Chapeau bas for this guy.
	I mean, that's just fantastic.
	Not a lot of people who don't have to worry about shit in life, who are kind of set, would do this stuff.
	They just wouldn't.
	Yeah, yeah, he's good.
	I mean, everything I've heard from him has been very interesting.
	And, you know, lots of other little reports here and there that you can read.
	Of course, it was funny to see that Prince Charles and Gordon Brown both went to Copenhagen, but they flew in their separate jets.
	They could have made a little statement there.
	It was like, hey, we're sharing a jet.
	I mean, who is running the PR for this?
	Come on, guys.
	This is a slam dunk.
	It turns out that because nobody cares, and everyone just believes whatever the PR people tell them to begin with, that they can get away with this.
	I mean, it was only the reason that they stopped flying their jets.
	The General Motors flew a jet into Washington, D.C. to do testimony, and then somebody picked it up and made a big stink about it.
	And then because they hate General Motors and they hate capitalism, they hate big business, so they made a big stink about it, so the guys had to drive in on a bus the next time.
	But nobody is going to make a stink about these guys because everybody's already signed up for the global warming is going to kill us all and, you know, we should have one world government and all this.
	Nobody's going to say anything because it might detract.
	The CIA has come out.
	The CIA has a center for the study of climate change deeply embedded within the Pentagon, or wherever they are embedded.
	And we did talk about this briefly, that yes, climate change is indeed a real concern to our national security.
	And here's a quote from one of the air marshals.
	Well, initially...
	The main problem we see is people will be fighting for food and shelter.
	When the migration starts, remember John, the big migration of 2010?
	Do you remember those days?
	Every state would want to stop the migrations from happening.
	Eventually, it would have to become a military conflict.
	Which other measures do you have to resolve your border issues?
	So there you go.
	We're all going to be starving and burning up and we will have no food and we're all going to be killing each other for food.
	That's the meme that is being spread.
	Well, that's a good one.
	So I think we can close this gate.
	Yeah, I think we should.
	To the gate, to the gate, to the climate gates.
	The problem, of course, is that the...
	The pendulum is swinging in the other direction.
	So let's talk about some interesting...
	Here, let me just read this.
	This is from June.
	I found this when I was doing some research.
	June and the Nation, which is an extremely progressive magazine.
	Writing on the Atlantic's website, Scott Bland and Ronald Brownstein identified the emergence of what they dubbed the Democratic Industrial Complex.
	Yeah, I like that one.
	Energy and healthcare companies, automakers, and banks all understand that the Democrats control much of their fate, so they've cast their lot with the majority party in a big way.
	John Kerry got less than 20% of the donations from electric utilities when he ran for president.
	Barack Obama got almost 60%.
	So far in the cycle, Democrats have captured two-thirds of the donations from the health care industry.
	So let's play the clip with Howard Dean.
	As promised, we are joined now by Governor Howard Dean, former chairman of the Democratic National Committee and a 2004 candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination.
	Thank you for your time tonight, Governor.
	Thanks for having me on.
	Governor Dean, you have been on this cause of health care reform for decades.
	There has been no more energetic cheerleader for this legislative crusade this time around than you.
	You have reached the point now where the Senate bill, which is well on its way to becoming the Lieberman bill, is something you can no longer support and you want to kill it.
	Tell us why.
	Well, I'm not going to give up on health care reform.
	I'm still hopeful that something will happen in the House, but it's not very likely because the conference committee could be vetoed by Joe and the other pro-insurance company Democrats when it comes back as well.
	So real reform in the House is a lot less likely given what's happened in the Senate.
	This is not real reform.
	It's not health care reform.
	There are no choices.
	The decision has been made without really thinking about it.
	It's been made because people are exhausted and they want to pass a bill so desperately they're not thinking about what they're doing here.
	It's been made to commit the United States to health care reform through the private sector.
	I don't think that decision should be made lightly.
	In the previous bills, the Medicare buy-in, the public option, had the choice of mixtures, of giving Americans the opportunity to make their own choices.
	Those choices have been taken away by the pro-insurance folks in the Senate.
	I think that's a mistake.
	Are there some good things in this bill?
	Yes.
	This is basically the Mitt Romney bill in Massachusetts, except it doesn't insure as high a percentage of people.
	The exchanges work well, although there's no cost control over any substance.
	You're going to be forced to buy health insurance from a company that's going to take, on average, 27% of your money so they can pay CEOs $20 million a year and so they can have a return on equity in their shareholders.
	And there's no choice about that.
	If you don't buy that insurance, you're going to get a fine.
	So this is a bill that was fundamentally written by staffers who were friendly to the insurance industry, held up so that it was friendly to the insurance industry by senators who take a lot of money from the insurance industry, and it is not health care reform.
	And I think it's too bad.
	It should come to this.
	All right, that's enough.
	Okay.
	So he's turned on it.
	Interesting.
	The thing is, and a few others are trying to get the courage up, although like this Nation article said, the health care industry, meaning mostly a couple of insurance companies that dominate health care insurance and HMOs, have you been given all the money to the Democrats?
	Well, the Democrats basically are talking out of both sides of their mouth, and they're not going to do it.
	This bill is going to be all this bill is going to do.
	Which makes it even more amusing is that if you don't have health care insurance, which you've been complaining about, now you're going to be forced to buy it.
	And it is running about, you know, 20 to 30 percent of somebody's annual income.
	It's expensive.
	Yeah, and you'll be forced to buy it under threat of penalties and jail.
	Actual jail.
	So really great job by Obama and the boys.
	Yeah, good one.
	There's one thing I should have mentioned this when we were talking about donations, John, because we often harp on public broadcasting and NPR about them taking money from large corporations such as...
	So the Associated Press reported on Monsanto as confidential contracts deal, and these are the seed people, by the way.
	They make genetically modified seeds, in case you didn't know.
	Google them.
	There's plenty of juice, Google juice about Monsanto.
	Confidential contracts detailing Monsanto companies' business practices reveal how the world's biggest seed developer is squeezing competitors, controlling smaller seed companies, and protecting its dominance over the multi-billion dollar market for genetically altered crops.
	One follow-on article that I'm not going to read, but there is an admission now.
	Bayer has admitted that GMO contamination is out of control.
	They've admitted they've been unable to control the spread of its genetically engineered organisms despite best practices to stop contamination.
	That's what's been shown in all outdoor field trials.
	And so I thought, you know what?
	Why don't I just go to the NPR website and see if any of their programming talks about this Monsanto story?
	Well, what did you find, Adam?
	Well, gee, John, on their website, they do have a link to the AP story, but in all their programming, which, let's face it, that's what NPR is about, is their programming, all I can find in the morning edition is Monsanto to buy a seed producer and deal worth $1.4 billion.
	Monsanto nicks his new biotech weeds.
	Monsanto sues dairy over milk ads.
	They sued another dairy over milk ads?
	Yeah.
	Let's go to PBS for a second.
	Let's see if PBS is reporting on Monsanto.
	A little search on their site.
	Let me see.
	Well, there's plenty of search results that talk about Monsanto underwriting the programs.
	But no, there's nothing about this, John.
	It's phenomenal.
	The NewsHour, which is heavily sponsored by Monsanto, is not reporting on this at all.
	That's weird, because it's our national treasure.
	Yeah, and they are, after all, sponsored by...
	Monsanto!
	So you'd think they'd have the inside track.
	They could just call up HQ and say, hey guys, why don't you just give a little comment on this Monsanto story?
	No, they're not doing it, because they're taking money from Monsanto.
	So they're not going to blow one of their...
	Well, they are blowing them, but they're not going to blow up one of their biggest resources, one of their biggest sources of money, which is why we don't take advertisements, So I just wanted to say that was kind of interesting.
	All these search results and the stories are in the show notes, of course, at the unadvertisable noagendashow.com.
	Yes, indeed.
	In fact, it's commendable.
	So there's a story breaking.
	We're going to probably talk about it in the next show in more detail.
	But now the research is coming in that high fructose corn syrup is indeed hazardous to your health.
	You don't say.
	It screws up your liver and it makes you fat and it causes all kinds of issues with all kinds of parts of your body.
	And I wonder, John, who makes high fructose corn syrup?
	I think it's Archer Daniels.
	Yes, it will be Archer Daniels Midland Company.
	Yeah, and don't they big time sponsors of NPR and PBS? Yeah, I think they are.
	Maybe we should look at, let me, shall I do a little search and see if there's any story on high fructose corn syrup on PBS as an example?
	Well, you won't find anything there.
	Oh, come on, let me look.
	You might find some stuff from the public relations department that has the same kind of, you know, basically the meme that they've tried to put out there is, all it is is just, you know, sucrose and the glucose hooked together in such a way that it's very natural.
	Even though it's made in a refinery out of corn.
	King corn, how sweet it is, the rice.
	Can corn learn more?
	What is more dense?
	Yeast part two.
	No, John, this doesn't seem to be anything about high fructose corn syrup being dangerous to your health on all of the PBS programming.
	You know what, the giveaway of the whole thing falling apart with this terrible substance, which is really pretty much only used in the United States, where you can almost track the obesity levels when it was first introduced to what it is today.
	Ketchup is a huge source of it, by the way.
	Ketchup.
	Yeah, you can buy Heinz at Costco.
	At some Costcos, you can buy Heinz organic ketchup.
	Which has no high fructose corn syrup in it, unlike all the other ketchups.
	Now, it tastes like crap.
	I do want to add that.
	No, it doesn't.
	No, it tastes like crap.
	It tastes exactly the same.
	Really?
	I'll have to try it.
	I think it tastes like crap, which is no problem.
	No, it tastes exactly the same.
	There's no difference in the flavor.
	It actually tastes better.
	I've always thought that they put crap taste in the organic stuff.
	No, no, no.
	In this case, here's the kicker.
	You're not letting me get to the punchline.
	I'm sorry.
	I've run into this a lot.
	I've run into this with cereals that don't have a million additives in it, and I run into it with this stuff, this particular product, this Heinz Organic Ketchup.
	It comes from Canada.
	Oh, of course.
	They're so smart.
	We should move up there.
	Why can't we do it here?
	So they have to bring it in from Canada because nobody around here wants to deal with the fact that, well, I don't know, why should we bother?
	We need to move up there.
	But the kicker, the whole thing, is Pepsi-Cola just announced they're dropping all HFCS from all their sodas next year and at the end of it.
	Because it's bad for you.
	Yeah, bad for you.
	People should start looking up some articles now.
	They're still obscure, but these research reports are starting to come out.
	They're trying to be squashed as fast as they can.
	Type in high-fructose corn syrup, hit the button, and then click on News and try to get the newer stories, and you'll find a lot of this stuff.
	So in our never-ending quest to avoid...
	Two to the head ourselves.
	John, be ready for your out there sounds.
	Of course, after the nuclear cruise missile attack on Denver, which I reported on...
	It seems like they had a little drill the other day which was announced.
	This was in case some kind of missile would be sent into the United States.
	And there was an actual cruise missile explosion, this time over Nebraska.
	In fact, this happened 9 p.m.
	local yesterday.
	The explosion even registered a 3.5 magnitude on the earthquake measurement systems.
	Do you have a link to this article?
	Yes, I do.
	And the cruise missile was shot, was fired, it came over.
	What is a cruise missile doing flying over Nebraska?
	It's on its way to Denver.
	This is the whole space wars that we're not aware of, the CIA-Obama cabal, and they blew it out of the sky, John, with a particle beam weapon.
	The aliens did, you're saying?
	No, no, no, the armed forces.
	I thought we were firing at Denver, which has now been taken over by aliens.
	Am I not getting this story straight?
	I think you're not.
	But there's multiple fractions in the armed forces.
	It's not like everyone's on the same program there.
	I guess the point of what I'm saying is there is absolutely a space war taking place.
	I now kind of have to believe that the beautiful circles we saw over Norway were probably part of...
	Like a conjugate wave device.
	So these are all weapons that have been militarized and are being used right now.
	There is some shit going on that is far beyond what you and I can even comprehend because we've not ever been exposed to it.
	But it's taking place.
	It's happening.
	It's out there.
	It's up there.
	And also the tapes were released.
	I'm not going to play them for you, but the tapes of the Northwest Airlines Flight 188.
	Those were the sleeping pilots.
	Wow.
	When I listened to the actual air traffic control tapes, these guys were not asleep.
	They were freaked out by something, and they're not talking about it.
	I will put a link in the show notes to it.
	I've listened to pilots on the headsets.
	I know how pilots talk, and they're like, Yeah, we got distracted by something here.
	Listen to me.
	You're blown away by what's going on.
	And it's not like there wasn't calls going out to them continuously.
	They actually had other aircraft calling out to them, trying to reach them.
	So why no F-16s were scrambled is still a huge gaping hole in the story.
	And I think that they saw something up there they weren't supposed to.
	Well, that's always a possibility.
	My news item that I'm going to throw out, which is probably not quite as profound as that one.
	But mine will save our life, okay?
	Police say two dogs fed on Nebraska owner's body.
	And now, back to real news.
	Yum.
	Two pugs, apparently some owner, some guy killed himself, shot himself, and he left the pugs to their own devices.
	And the pugs ate him over a two-week period.
	Nice.
	Now, a more interesting story, there's another one, this is on the blog, which is Iraqi insurgents apparently have been hacking U.S. drones, at least they've been getting the video feeds.
	So it turns out that these predators, they fly over parts of Pakistan, Iraq, wherever, and they're...
	These are the drones.
	These are the drone aircraft.
	The drones, the unmanned flight things.
	They have a camera, and apparently they've managed to hack the video stream using some Microsoft product.
	Oh no!
	And so they've been putting the streams, they found out about this because they busted some guy and took his laptop and they found all these recordings of the drone flight patterns.
	And it turns out that when they designed these things, they never bothered to encrypt the video stream.
	Are you kidding me?
	So they've hacked into the video stream coming from the drone?
	Yeah, and when they hack into the actual drone itself and bomb us with it, I'm not sure, but yeah.
	So now they can see, oh, they're screaming over Abdullah's house.
	Get back inside just in case they see you.
	Oh my God.
	That's outrageous.
	Yeah, totally.
	And apparently, whatever the software is that runs on these things, it's going to be difficult to install encryption, which I find hard.
	It's Windows Media.
	Running on NetSuite.
	It comes out half the time to get kind of a funny display with some animations on it.
	So in the last two episodes, I reviewed for you National Suicide, which I don't believe you've read yet, John, but I highly recommend it.
	Written by Martin L. Gross.
	Adam Curry, John, see the format.
	Read a brand new book for you or do a little movie review.
	So you don't have to do a piece of paper.
	A new book, which is not available on Amazon, unfortunately, but which I am going to grab a hold of, is called Crisis by Design, The Untold Story of the Global Financial Coup and What You Can Do About It.
	What you can do about it.
	Can't do anything about it.
	I think it's put your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye.
	That would be it.
	So I'm looking forward to receiving that book.
	And this was a suggestion by one of our producers, which is 450,000 strong and growing by now.
	Keep the numbers coming and keep the donations coming.
	NoagendaShow.com and Dvorak.org slash blog.
	N-A, I'm sorry, slash N-A. What do you say, my friend?
	I think we're done.
	Well, I mean...
	Oh, I got one correction.
	Sure.
	On the last show, the Casper Milk Toast character was a comic strip character created by H.T. Webster in 1924 for his cartoon series The Timid Soul, published in the New York World.
	When the world folded in 1931, the Timid Soul moved to the New York Herald Tribune where a Sunday page was eventually added.
	And I guess he was just referred to by Sinclair Lewis.
	And anyway, it went on until 1952.
	Another $5 word you can use at cocktail parties to amaze your friends, associates, and pick up chicks.
	Yes, because of the popularity of Webster's character, the term milquetoast, M-I-L-Q-U-E-T-O-A-S-T, came into general usage in American English to mean weak and ineffectual.
	And effeminate.
	A little bit.
	Meek.
	Submissive.
	Yeah.
	Alright, tons more in the show notes at NoAgendaShow.com, Curry.com, and Dvorak.org slash blog.
	Coming to you from the Minimum Containment Cell in the Crackpot Command Center in Gitmo Nation West, San Francisco, California.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley where it's sunny, but it's supposed to be raining tomorrow or the next day or the day after that, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We'll see you again on Sunday for the early service right here on No Agenda.

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