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	I have the swine flu!
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's October 8th, 2009.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, Episode 137.
	This is No Agenda.
	Jamming the frequencies of the power and lower vibrations so you can ascend to the light with ease.
	And coming to you from the minimum security containment cell in Gitmo Nation, West San Francisco, California.
	In the morning, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where it's actually going to be a foggy day, they say.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's Crackpot and Buzzkill.
	In the morning.
	Yo.
	Today's show is executive produced by John Schumann.
	Of the Schumann television family of networks.
	Who the hell is that?
	He's the guy who gave us the most money.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, that's good.
	You get pre-credits, pre-roll credits if you donate the most money.
	I like that.
	We hadn't even discussed that, John, but I think it's a good idea.
	I knew you would like it.
	By the way, because it involves the words, the most money.
	Yes, the most money.
	I took your advice yesterday morning, Johnny Boy.
	And?
	Because, of course, we're under threat of eminent domain removal here.
	Oh, yes.
	And the TJPA, the Transbay Joint Powers Authority, your government at work abusing eminent domain night and day.
	So they have to adhere to the city ordinance of no construction noise between 7 a.m.
	and 8 p.m., seven days a week, I might point out, in San Francisco.
	And so at 6.45, I could hear the trucks backing up.
	They're loading stuff.
	So I did two things.
	As you suggested, I called the police.
	And they were like, yeah, all right.
	One of my major suggestions.
	One of your major suggestions.
	And then after 8 a.m., which is when their offices opened, I called up and spoke to, I might as well blast her, Mila Gonzalez, who was very apologetic.
	And she's like, oh, yeah, well, you know, I said, hey, look, you know, I'm right across the street.
	Here's the issue.
	There's a city ordinance.
	And 7 o'clock is not 645.
	So...
	Please take note of that.
	Oh yeah, no, I'll call right over.
	So this morning, they started at 6.30 instead of 6.45.
	This is typical.
	So your advice is panning out just beautifully, John.
	No, I haven't called him yet because we're starting the show at 8 o'clock.
	Hello?
	John?
	Oh, great.
	No, no, I got you.
	I got you.
	You cut out.
	It sounded like your mic wire cut out for a second there.
	No, I'm telling you, this connection sucks.
	But anyway, unless you're a squeaky wheel...
	They're going to test you.
	So what happens is you call and say, oh really, I wonder if this guy's really sincere.
	And so then they put the screws to you.
	And then what you're supposed to do is bitch again.
	And then you start hounding the cops.
	And then the cops get really steamed up about it.
	And then the next thing you know, they're giving these guys parking tickets.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think I'm going to call up Mila and ask her what part of 7am she didn't understand.
	And then I'm going to tell her, I'm going to shut you down, bitch!
	You think that'll work?
	No, it sounds like you got an echo button.
	That was good.
	No, that was just me yelling throughout the entire box that we live in.
	That was the echo.
	So, I think you should call her and then tell her you decided not to call the police today because you trusted her.
	Yeah, I trusted you.
	And ran a guilt trip on her.
	Yeah.
	But, you know, my next call will be to Gavin Newsom and...
	And oh, by the way, did you hear about the Indian burial ground that's supposed to be there?
	I still think that's the best idea you've had.
	Do you have a skull somewhere I can borrow that I can just toss into that dirt there?
	You know, I have a bunch of them around the house, but I keep displacing them.
	I know you...
	Ladies and gentlemen listening to this program, that is not a joke.
	I am convinced John C. Dvorak has human skulls lying around the house.
	You prop them up and you kind of make them into a small pyramid and you can use them as a hasick.
	What's a hasick?
	What's that?
	You put your feet up while you're watching TV. I would like to remind everybody that this is the program where we don't pull any punches.
	No, we have a whole formula that works exactly the opposite from pulling punches.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Especially if you're with the Trans-Bay Joint Powers Authority.
	Squarely in the jaw.
	So that clip, of course, is Mike Singletary, the coach of the San Francisco 49ers, who I'm more amused now that the team has actually gotten off to a really great start because this is a little off topic, but for football fans, they'll get a kick out of it.
	So this guy was like, the last coach they had was so bad, they fired him in the middle of the season last year because he couldn't win a game.
	Sweet.
	So they took this defensive coach, which is Mike Singletary, who's this famous linebacker from the Chicago Bears, who's this very intense person, as you can tell by that quote, and put him in charge temporarily and let him take over.
	And then he won all the games the rest of the year.
	So they said, well, I don't know.
	How do you do it?
	What do you think we should do?
	Should we rehire him as the coach?
	And it was like, there was a big controversy over this with all these pundits.
	He's got no experience.
	Even though he was kicking ass.
	Despite the fact.
	So anyway, so they did give him the job and now he's like proving that now nobody mentions the fact that this was controversial.
	I would like to point out this is episode 137 of this program that John and I have been producing for you, along with our listeners, who, of course, are producers, and the one who gives us the most money is the executive producer of the episode.
	If you had listened to us, I'd say, about a year and a half ago.
	Is it that long?
	Has it been that long, John?
	Well, let's figure it out.
	Yeah.
	It's been where we started.
	It's in the wiki.
	There's a wiki.
	We have a wiki.
	I think we started in like October of 2007 or something.
	Or August or something.
	I can't remember what the wiki says.
	Well, at that point, one of the discussions we had was about gold.
	And without backtracking all the way to that conversation, if you had been listening along with this program, you might have bought yourself some.
	And boy, you would have been pretty happy just about now.
	As gold closed at an all-time high of $10,050 yesterday.
	Yeah, and it appears to be on an upswing.
	Well, I was at...
	Meek and I went over to one of those investor annual meetings for Crosslink.
	One of our investors.
	What kind of a meeting was it?
	Was it a big meeting?
	Well, they're not a huge company or a huge fund.
	I think their funds are like $250 or $350 million.
	So in the realm of funds, these days, that's pretty good.
	But yeah, it's small.
	And then they've only really done two major media internet investments.
	One was Pandora and the other one is Mevio.
	So it's kind of cool how they did their audio versus video type heads, even though we're a lot of audio, but they're more on the music side.
	And so they have all their limited partners come in.
	And so they had a...
	Of course, appropriately toned down for the financial crisis we're in.
	They had a reception at their offices.
	And they're one of the few VC funds that have offices in San Francisco and not on the typical Sand Hill Road out in the Valley.
	And it was nice.
	They had kind of like a thing.
	You walked around their whole office and each room had a different type of food.
	It was okay.
	There's only like 37 people who work at the entire company.
	But they're unique in the fact that they also have, as a part of their fund, they trade in the public market, so they buy and sell stocks.
	And this guy, Paul Sabo, he's their main trader, and he's the guy that has a desk there with 18 screens all stacked on top of each other.
	Horowitz has got one of these rigs.
	My god, but he's like, he's so passionate about, because he's a technical trader.
	You know, there's nothing fundamentals.
	It's all in technical analysis.
	He's so passionate about this stuff.
	And he showed me the chart for gold and his, you know, and all of his analysis.
	He says, well, I'm thinking 5,000 possible, but it could easily be 8,000.
	Yeah.
	I'm like, wow, what are you talking about?
	And he's been trading gold since we went off the gold standard in, what was that, 74, 75?
	No, we went off the gold standard in the 30s.
	Right, true.
	That's true.
	But the official going off the gold standard, as the wiki would probably say, was 74.
	I don't know.
	That's dubious.
	But whatever the case.
	So he's been trading this stuff forever?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	And it was amazing.
	8,000?
	What is he?
	8,000?
	He said the sky is the limit, he said.
	That's funny because, you know, in around 2001, or just around there, when I was writing for Forbes, Dennis Neal, who's now with CNBC, was out here to do a silicon spin.
	And I had him write on a sheet, and I still have the sheet around somewhere in 2001.
	I said, you know, I don't know, because the economy was falling apart.
	I said, I think gold is probably a pretty good investment now.
	I said, I think gold's at, I think, $330,000.
	And he says, Gold will never go up.
	Are you crazy?
	And so I had him sign a document that said, Gold will never go up.
	Oh, do you have that?
	Do you have that document somewhere, right?
	I do have it.
	It's in one of my boxes.
	I'll have to dig it up.
	But as soon as I find it, it goes online.
	So I was thinking about our No Agenda stream and how you and I are working on turning this into a real 24-7 media stream that you'll actually want to listen to, and I talked to Paul about it, and I think that he would be happy to do a conversation with me once a week.
	The guy is so passionate, and wouldn't it be cool to just hear someone say, Gold 8000!
	I mean, come on, that would be a great show.
	That would be ridiculous, yeah.
	But he has a lot of insights, and he doesn't care.
	He's happy to tell you exactly what he thinks, and a lot of these guys won't do that.
	No, most guys won't do it.
	That's the problem.
	People should realize that.
	There are so many people out there that have a lot of good knowledge, and they don't really object to...
	sharing it because it actually helps them.
	If you're a stock tip guy and you give tips out and then the stock goes, you're in the stock and it goes up, you make money.
	But some people are reluctant.
	They're worried that they're going to get sued or they're worried that they're going to do this or that.
	I don't know what it is.
	There's a lot of guys that just won't talk.
	Yeah.
	And I told him about our biweekly media assassination, no agenda.
	And he's like, oh, I love that.
	I hate the media.
	They're such bastards.
	And I'm like, oh, this is a guy for us.
	He's right on our tip.
	Hey, from time to time, I'll remind you that you still have a book to publish about your, and actually, I did talk to Paul about it, about your 80-year cycle.
	And he was like, uh-oh.
	Is this thing on?
	Is this thing on?
	Hello?
	Can you hear me?
	It was something about a cycle book.
	Hello?
	Something about a cycle book.
	I think the Skype connection is going bad.
	Oh, it just broke.
	I wanted to ask you, because I've got some numbers here, and I don't know if they're correct, but they may sound correct to you, because you are the cycle man.
	I'm a cycle man.
	Cycle dude.
	Do you happen to know what the typical cycle of an empire is, John?
	No.
	Toynbee, Arnold Toynbee, the famous historian, discusses empire cycles in his study of history.
	And the fact is, I mean, there probably is a cycle that's been observed.
	I don't know personally what it is, but Toynbee actually has the cycle deconstructed.
	But because of certain elements of the cycle, it...
	Some empires can last longer by having certain characteristics, so I don't know if there's a solid cycle.
	Well, I have a list of cycles here that I found in one of my cycle circles.
	And so currently the Empire of the United States is, well, in 2010 we will celebrate our 234th birthday.
	Here's some other interesting numbers.
	The Assyria Empire, which apparently was 659 to 612 BC, that's a 247 year cycle.
	Persia, 538 to 330 BC, 208 years.
	Greece, 331 to 100 BC, 231 years.
	What is this, the?
	T, I guess it would be.
	T-H-E? That's called the.
	The, the, the.
	Which was a great band in the 80s.
	The, the.
	206 to 27 BC, that's 233 years.
	The Arab Empire, 634 to 880 AD, 246 years.
	I'll just skip ahead to Spain, 1500 to 1750 AD, that's a 250 year reign.
	Romanov, 1682 to 1916.
	I think we get the point.
	So, aren't we, like, just at the end of our natural cycle, and isn't it just time for this entire thing?
	I mean, it's starting right up front, Mike.
	We've got to fold, dude.
	It's time.
	You've got to know when to fold them.
	Well, you know, one of the things that does happen during these empire cycles is this idiotic...
	There's been more than a few of these empires, as it were, that have gone broke because they got involved in these wars.
	I mean, we probably could go on forever if we'd paid attention to Jefferson, who told us not to get our asses involved in these foreign endeavors, where we just all of a sudden decided to go to war with some country out in the middle of nowhere.
	And now, of course, we have Afghanistan, which is just so turning into Vietnam.
	It's hilarious.
	And we got this out-of-control general, this McChrystal guy, who thinks he runs the place.
	And he's pissed off.
	He's a pissed off dude.
	And he's a psycho.
	I mean, the guy, they had him, his profile on 60 Minutes, the guy gets up at 4 in the morning and he jogs 5 miles through the streets and then he does this and he does that and he only eats one meal a day because otherwise it makes him loggy.
	Logie!
	I'm feeling Logie!
	I can't get me in them with towel heads if I'm feeling Logie, boy.
	So, I mean, the guy seems, you know, he sounds normal, but when he describes the way he lives, he's like nuts.
	I'm glad you bring up the wars, John, because did you know about the $636 billion defense bill the Senate passed just two days ago?
	That one got by me.
	Shit!
	It slipped by me.
	Let me just read you a couple of highlights of this bill.
	So this was on Tuesday.
	$636 billion, which I didn't hear anything about this anywhere on any news report.
	That's because nobody's going to...
	Did we just lose you?
	No.
	You shouldn't have, but you're going to probably.
	You were saying that's because what?
	That's because nobody's against defense spending.
	Yeah, but I mean, we could at least report on it.
	Okay, forget about that.
	Reuters.
	Here we go.
	It passed 93 to 7, by the way.
	Who is the 7?
	Why don't you look that up?
	I wonder if I can.
	128.2 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
	Hey, that's funny.
	Is it split right down the middle?
	I thought we were out of there.
	Then it would end the production of Lockheed Martin's F-22 fighter plane.
	Okay, that's good, I guess.
	Not necessarily, but it's overpriced.
	Right.
	Here's the interesting thing.
	This bill specifically prohibits the Obama administration from transferring international terrorism suspects currently held at the Guantanamo Bay military prison into the United States.
	I thought we were going to shut that thing down, Mr.
	President!
	Okay, I got a clip you have to play now.
	Unless you have a few more things to read from the line items.
	I just want to say that we've been hoodwinked!
	You think?
	Yeah.
	So here, I want you to play the Harry Fleischer clip.
	Now, Harry Fleischer, of course, was Bush's old press secretary.
	Isn't he the agent from Entourage?
	Kind of.
	He's kind of a stooge.
	Now, this was a back-and-forth conversation with a bunch of people discussing what Obama's going to do about Afghanistan, this, that, and the other thing.
	And Fleischer, now, I don't know whether he was totally tongue-in-cheek when he made this commentary that you're going to hear, or whether he was sincere.
	And I believe he's probably sincere, but at the same time, it sounds so ludicrous.
	like is there any way that the republicans can give it can needle obama to an extreme or actually or maybe needle the people that that voted for him let just listen to this clip where fleischer is complimenting obama well i think what we're seeing in president obama's approach to this is encouraging When it comes to counter-terrorism, Barack Obama Barack Obama has actually been pretty good and pretty strong because he's left in place many of the George Bush policies.
	Principally, he has left in place secret renditions, warrantless wiretaps.
	The things that George Bush is most criticized for, Barack Obama, to his credit, has continued and is one of the reasons we're still doing well in the war on terrorism.
	Exactly.
	To his credit.
	To his credit.
	Good job, Barack.
	Rock and roll.
	Hey, come on by the ranch.
	You know what's funny is that, by the way, this was, I think this was, I don't know if this was on Fox or one of the, I don't remember offhand where this came from, but they keep playing these damn sound effects right during the guys, because they'll have him talking and then they'll put a little graphic up and instead of just sliding over some chiron, like some information underneath, they have to put some sort of wacky.
	Oh yeah, a sound effect.
	NFL sound effects.
	It sounds like Monday Night Football.
	I know.
	I know.
	It's nasty.
	Well, but this is the thing.
	The underestimation of the internet and how we've connected our neurons to each other, yeah, it's still kind of through keyboards and fingertips and all that, but...
	The people are catching on.
	This is why everything has to be ramrodded through, why everything has to be passed really quickly, because we're catching on.
	Eventually, someone's going to say, hey, wait a minute.
	The first thing, all this bravado, all this bravure, and of course we have tons of YouTube clips to remind everyone that the first thing President Obama did when he was in office was to say, I'm going to close Gitmo!
	And he's not.
	He's just not going to close it.
	They've already said, well, you know, we can't close it.
	Jon Stewart was all over gays in the military, don't ask, don't tell, which now all of the secretaries of all the different defense forces have said, well, you know, the president's too busy right now.
	He's way too busy to be doing that.
	He's too busy with traveling around the world giving speeches?
	He's watching the MTV Awards.
	He's too busy.
	What are you talking about?
	Yeah, he's right, exactly.
	He's watching Kanye, what's his name?
	And let me tell you, man, you don't want to piss off gay people, okay?
	This is just not a good idea.
	Because they actually don't give a fuck and they will go and protest in your front yard.
	They really will.
	And it's going to get attention.
	Yeah, there was some gay guy on the O'Reilly factor the other day who was just irked.
	You can just tell these guys aren't going to put up with this much longer.
	He's just irked just a little bit.
	Oh, before I forget, on the gold tip, I've shown you my gold coin, right?
	The one-ounce coin I have.
	Yeah, you carry that in case you end up, you carry around a gold coin and some other weird coin, I might add.
	That's my military coin.
	Some military coin that will get you into a military bar, I guess.
	No, that's when they throw me into the FEMA camp.
	I show the coin, they'll let me out.
	Okay, well, you got these two weird coins you carry around with you all the time.
	It's kind of like the PBA thing.
	You usually drive around.
	Right, then this gold coin, if by the time you think that things fall apart, you'll have a gold coin in your pocket you can pull out and it'll be worth millions of dollars.
	You'll be king.
	I will buy some bread for everyone.
	Anyway, the U.S. Mint is a stop minting them.
	They're like, ho, ho, we've got to stop making those.
	Because, of course, they don't have any gold anymore.
	And this is kind of a precursor to what Roosevelt did when he prohibited the hoarding of gold coin and gold bullion and gold certificates within the United States.
	Under Presidential Executive Order 6102, if I recall correctly.
	But that was back in 1933.
	So that could happen all over again.
	Well, you'll have to give up your gold.
	Give us your gold.
	Bring out your dead.
	Bring out your dead.
	Where's that from?
	That's from a Monty Python.
	Oh, I don't remember that one.
	Yeah, this guy goes around during the plague.
	He says, bring out your dead.
	Bring out your dead.
	He's holding around a big cart full of dead guys.
	And then one guy comes out.
	He brings out a guy who's still alive.
	He says, he's dead.
	No, he's alive.
	He's dead.
	No, I'm alive.
	I'm alive.
	And so then the guy clubs him over the head and then they throw him off.
	So anyway, so this ramrodding of all the bills is, of course, what happened with the stimulus package.
	And now it looks like they're going to try and do exactly the same with the health care bill.
	News came out yesterday, the day before yesterday, the Congressional Budget Office, who initially on the initial bill said, hey, this thing is going to cost us $2 trillion.
	Well, they've punched someone in the mouth over there.
	And so now the Bacchus bill would apparently cost over 10 years $829 billion, but the CBO, the Congressional Budget Office, has said it will actually reduce federal deficits by $81 billion over that 10-year period.
	And probably, quote, lead to continued reductions in federal budget deficits in the years beyond.
	So, this thing is ready to go to a vote, and they're going to ramrod it through maybe as early as tomorrow.
	That they'll vote on this, and of course, another promise broken, that these things would go online for at least 72 hours, so we could look at them and talk to our representatives about them.
	And there are even Democrats trying to stop the future posting of bills online in the future in general, because, well, this is what you have your representatives for.
	You don't have to read the bill, you stupid sheeple.
	Shut up!
	Yeah, I know.
	That's kind of pathetic.
	Somebody dug through that bill because they, I guess, had a copy of it and they found there's an interesting, you know, there's a thing if you don't have insurance and you don't do this, you don't do that, you're going to have to pay like a tax.
	Yeah, it's $1,700.
	Yeah, it's basically a tax.
	That the IRS will fine you for if you don't pay it.
	It's a tax.
	Of course it's a tax.
	Obama says, no, it's not a tax.
	It's a tax.
	So anyway, it turns out there's a little proviso in there that the people who happen to be Christian scientists, they're a religion that doesn't believe in heaven.
	They're exempt?
	That doesn't want to have medical anything.
	Yes.
	So if you join the church of Christian scientists, hey, I don't have to pay that fine.
	So I think there's an out here for everybody.
	John, praise the Lord.
	Praise the Lord.
	Brother John, since we've both recently converted to Christian scientism, what is that religion?
	You know, if it saves you $1,700, that's what I call a religion.
	I was reading here, and I'll put this link in the show notes at noagendershow.com.
	So if they can't get it to a vote on Friday, they have a plan, which is to bake it into a shell bill.
	Have you ever heard of this process?
	No.
	So what they do is...
	So there's a...
	I would rather use the word incorporate than bake because there's no actual cooking process involved.
	Right.
	Okay.
	So they put it into another bill.
	They back it into that somehow.
	And this will actually be H.R. 1586, a bill to impose a tax on bonuses received by certain TARP recipients, which of course is something everybody wants to pass.
	Yeah, so we're either going to put it in that bill or a bill that protects puppies.
	But I mean, how can you just hide a thousand pages that gets shoved into some other bill?
	Oh, by the way, your packet is a little bit thicker this morning.
	Don't look over here.
	Nothing to see here.
	Ooh, look at that.
	It's just a little bit thicker.
	Don't worry about it.
	Just press yes.
	And then they can apparently pass it.
	I mean, is that a common practice to do that kind of stuff?
	I think it probably is.
	Not with bills that size, but I think it's been done a lot.
	It's lame.
	Well, I don't know what the big deal is.
	Look, the Democrats, we point this out over and over again.
	The Democrats own the place.
	They want to put a bill together, they just go pass it.
	What's the big deal?
	It's kind of even hard to...
	To verbalize the conversation we had on email with one of our producers who was actually pointing out through some...
	And in writing, you even said in writing it kind of is easier to explain how really the Democratic Party is actually inherently racist and that...
	That there are certain elements, probably the racist elements within the Democratic Party, who are bringing the president down.
	And that's why they're not able to pass anything, because they're just troublemakers, because they don't actually want the black man to succeed.
	Yeah, I think there's some truth to that.
	And I can try and paraphrase it, although it'll never come out right, and of course I'll sound incredibly racist, but the thinking behind it is that...
	The real racism is when you say, you know what, we've got to take care of these poor black people.
	We really have to take care of them.
	We've got to do something for them.
	That, of course, is really true racism when you put it into context.
	And then they start helping the, quote, poor black people.
	And then, oh, wait a minute, but one of those guys is now in charge.
	Well, that's no good.
	It's kind of the not-in-my-backyard syndrome.
	So, just something to ponder.
	Yes.
	During your day.
	By the way, we got one of our contributors, producers, made this comment.
	It's Lee Donaghy in Yarmouth, Norfolk, UK. He says that since you're over in San Francisco most of the time now, that he believes that our international coverage is starting to suck.
	No, that's, you know, and I received this note earlier, and that's inherently untrue, because we do a lot of stuff.
	We were talking just about the Lisbon Treaty just on the last show.
	We've been all over the yes vote, which is not covered at all in the United States, which, of course, is the biggest travesty, because as this empire known as the United States comes to its natural 240-year end of cycle, the next empire is literally being built, constructed the next empire is literally being built, constructed before our very eyes.
	It is the European Union.
	Tony Blair will be the president of this new empire.
	It's already been set up.
	He became a Christian after he was booted out of office in the UK. He became a Christian and then kissed the feet of the Pope specifically to have all the right credentials.
	And all that has to happen now is we need two signatures, one from the Polish dude and one from the Czech dude, and it's done.
	And the new empire has been created, and we'll be nothing.
	We'll be a joke.
	The new empire is China.
	I don't know, man.
	I don't know.
	These guys, these Europeans are crazy.
	There's a good blog post.
	You should check it out on the Dvorak.org slash blog.
	You'll see it's got a picture of the EU flag with a skull on it.
	This attempt to turn them into some sort of...
	By the way, I'm sorry, he became a Catholic, not a Christian.
	Well, it's kind of the same thing.
	No, it's important.
	So anyway, the point is that this is just festering a civil war.
	As far as I can tell.
	Civil War, what, within Europe?
	Yeah.
	I mean, you can't...
	I mean, in the United States, when we put all these states together, you know, it took less than 100 years before they...
	That pissed off.
	They started getting mad at each other because, oh, wait a minute, you can lord it over me.
	I was here before you were.
	Who died and made you king?
	Right.
	And we had this, like, kind of battle going on, and of course slavery was part of it, but it was really, you know, the South still calls it the war between the states, and the North calls it the civil war, and it was both.
	And the fact of the matter is, it was just everybody getting mad at each other, so they took two sides, you know, they divvied up, you know, I'll be on your side, and they had a big fight, and they killed, like, more, I think we killed four million Americans, we had more percentage killed, we killed each other more than we did in foreign countries.
	Yeah, but Abraham Lincoln ended slavery, John.
	Well, it was a good move on his part because it actually screwed over the South who was trying to get help from the French and the British.
	And as soon as that happened, once the Emancipation Proclamation went into play, these foreign nations weren't going to get involved.
	But anyway, the point is that this kind of thing...
	With just states that were pretty much, you know, they were kind of a little different.
	Yeah, obviously the people that were in South Carolina weren't the same as the people that were in New York.
	But you're talking about huge cultural differences in Europe.
	Yeah.
	And long-standing hatreds.
	My granddad was killed by the Nazis.
	Give me my bike back!
	Yeah, give me my bike back.
	Dutch.
	And so...
	That hatred is gone, by the way.
	The young Dutch do not even know what happened in the Second World War.
	Well, they need to be reminded.
	Yeah, they will be.
	Don't worry.
	They will be.
	And so the point is that, you know, we should have the exhibits.
	But anyway, at some point, something about cheese or some screw job or somebody's going to do something that's going to really irk one of these countries and it's going to test her.
	Cheese.
	I don't think about cheese.
	Cheese.
	Well, listen, John, you know the theory, and we've discussed this before.
	You have the United States, which will soon enough be the North American Union with Mexico and Canada.
	Then you have the European Union.
	Then you have the Asian Union, which is where China comes in.
	And then that'll all be rolled up.
	This is the whole Trilateral Commission idea, man.
	And then they'll all be rolled up into one world government up at the top.
	At least that is the long-term plan.
	Yeah, they always plan on that, but then people...
	No, but it takes a long time.
	It takes hundreds of years to be...
	We're going to have another war.
	Yeah, you think?
	I'm sure there will be another one somewhere.
	But, you know, 2012 is quickly approaching and that's when it all ends.
	Well, anyway, so this guy says we're not covering this stuff that much.
	Well, I disagree.
	I think we are covering it.
	And it's also up to the producers.
	You know, the producers put together 70% of this show by sending us interesting leads the whole day.
	And by the way, you know, I'm a little bit early for this part of the show, but all day long, John and I are emailing back and forth amongst each other with our producers, which is our audience.
	And, you know, we're debunking things on the spot, like, you know, this is, or John is, like, this is, oh, brother.
	This is bullshit.
	We actually read all the stuff you guys send us, and we determine what we're going to do on the show.
	So if you want more European stuff in there, send it in.
	We're desperate for good stuff.
	We're not that desperate, but we are always looking.
	So speaking of Europe and the United States, of course, in most countries in Europe, they have what is known as a VAT, a value-added tax tax.
	Which in some countries is...
	Hold on.
	Turn down your speakers!
	Just a little loud, Joe.
	In some countries is...
	I can barely hear you.
	Yeah, well, then get some headphones!
	In some countries, it's 19%.
	In some, it's 21%.
	In Belgium, I believe, it's 22%, which is getting to be like a quarter of the amount, which is really up there.
	And by the way, when any Americans are in Europe that are shopping around and having to pay these ridiculous paperwork out and you get it back.
	Yeah, you can.
	You can.
	I was even able to get VAT back on aircraft fuel if I made an over-the-channel flight.
	Anyway, Nancy Pelosi on Monday was on the Charlie Rose Show, and she thinks that a value-added tax might not be a bad idea for the United States.
	Yeah, I've heard this.
	They just want to tax us every way they can.
	It's a tax.
	That's a tax.
	This is exactly what's happening.
	It's like, oh, we got $700 billion for the military over here.
	We got $800 billion for the health care.
	We're not going to tax you, except for the value-added tax.
	You know, in California right now, the sales tax is 10%.
	It's really annoying.
	This is very high.
	Yeah, it is.
	So every time you buy something that costs $10, you have to pay $11 for it.
	But that's on top of the fact that we have a federal income tax of typically about 30%, and the state income tax is a flat 10% for just an income tax.
	So besides the 10%...
	Sales tax, you have a 10% income tax.
	And then there's all these taxes on your gasoline and everything.
	If you go to the airport, you know, you buy a ticket, they have them on sale of a Southwest Air $49.95.
	Airport tax.
	There's $70 for these $49.95 because there's $5 here, $5 there.
	If you take a look at your cell phone bill, there's all kinds of taxes.
	We're paying about 65% to 70% taxes, period, in the state of California.
	Yeah.
	Time to move.
	This place is bankrupt.
	Yeah, it's bankrupt.
	All this tax that they're collecting, I don't see what they're doing with it.
	The roads have potholes.
	They have these scam things like this phony bridge edition that they're doing, which, like, they could have done a million...
	They could have built a second bridge cheaper.
	I mean, from the East Bay to San Francisco.
	The whole thing is just...
	And then the thing that you're going through where they're going to tear down a whole perfectly good part of San Francisco to put up a bus terminal.
	The other bus terminal, you can go in there.
	I'll go in there with you with a movie camera.
	Nobody goes to the bus terminal.
	There's only a few commuters.
	They come in for a few hours and they go.
	There's no reason for this fancy bus terminal.
	And then they're going to drive their trains over to that thing?
	So instead of being convenient where it is, now they're going to run the underground tracks?
	So how are they going to get the trains over to there?
	I don't get it.
	John C. DeVore acts pet peeve of the day.
	I'd like you to bitch more about California on the show.
	That's really nice.
	That's good.
	I dig it.
	I really do.
	No, it's ridiculous.
	It really is ridiculous.
	You know, our president was, where was he?
	He was speaking in Virginia.
	And he said that, I wish I had a sound bite of this.
	I don't.
	I only have a news report.
	He said, you know, we're going to follow Al-Qaeda wherever they take root.
	So I'd say, Europe, look out.
	You'll have American troops on your streets before you know it.
	So we're not just going to stay in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq.
	So we're going to invade Hamburg.
	Yeah.
	Could be very well.
	Yeah, that's where there's tons of Al-Qaeda.
	Tired of this shit.
	Luckily I believe in the ascension theory.
	I don't have to worry about it.
	We're all going to ascend to the light, John.
	It's going to be okay.
	Because you know, one single candle can illuminate darkness and no amount of darkness can snuff out the light of a single candle.
	You're a dick.
	The candle can burn out.
	Yeah, it can, but if we got a whole bunch of candles, we'll be good.
	The Department of Homeland Security Program that tries to detect air travelers who are, quote, up to no good, is raising privacy concerns.
	Yeah, no shit.
	Yeah.
	Up to no good.
	That person's up to no good.
	Jean Misserv described, she's from CNN, described the Department of Homeland Security's future attribute screening technology.
	I love these acronyms they come up with.
	Future attribute screening technology.
	The FAST. As marrying a lot of existing technology, some of it medical, to measure breathing, heart rate, blinking, fidgeting, and other bodily functions.
	Pfft!
	Don't fart when you're in line at the TSA, okay?
	You'll get singled out.
	And of course you won't be able to fart because you'll have that explosive up your ass.
	I swear to God we're going to have anal examinations pretty soon.
	You know about that guy who had like some explosive jammed up his butt?
	Yeah, that was a kind of...
	that caught some attention.
	Yeah, so this is actually a report from France.
	What is the French Secret Service?
	What are they called?
	The French Secret Service.
	No, come on.
	They've got a name.
	They've got to have some cool numbers and letters in there.
	Like the British have MI6. We have CIA. Anyway, the French Secret Service is warning for a new method...
	That radical suicide bombers can use to attack.
	It's the DGSE. DGSE. As they will be carrying explosives in their anal cavity.
	So, uh...
	Hey, that's gotta hurt.
	I will bet you...
	Blow it out your ass!
	Hold on, I gotta mark that one.
	Ha ha ha!
	I guarantee you, it is now a guarantee that within five years, you will have a guy shoving his finger up your ass when you want to fly to Detroit.
	I'm so glad we're all ascending to the light, John.
	I'm so glad.
	A quick report from some of our producers.
	A couple of reports, two actually.
	One, because we're not always right.
	We don't know shit.
	The first one is about, we're talking about voting machines and about Germany.
	Specifically, and a number of people, this is from Christian, but a number of people wrote in and said, you asked the Last No Agenda show if there are voting machines used in Germany.
	Let me give you some quick facts about it.
	Voting machines were banned in Germany as the Chaos Computer Club showed hacks of the computers in public.
	So they're using paper these days.
	days.
	Good on the Germans for not using the bogus Seibold-based voting machines.
	Diebold.
	Diebold, I'm sorry.
	Oops, that could get me a lawsuit.
	And then on last week's show, we played this clip.
	I don't think it's about the sex or the eroticism that It's about foreign policy decisions.
	It may be some inner turmoil about the sexuality, but there's far more sexualized cultures around the world.
	They could go to Dubai, for Christ's sake, Brazil.
	So we both jumped on Janine Garofalo.
	And the way she phrases it is indeed, you know, it's bullshit because it's not a sexualized culture per se.
	But I got a lot of notes, one from our producer Kendall, but also Mickey.
	She said, dude, are you out of your mind?
	I said, Dubai, it's the underground scene there is off the hook.
	The underground scene, which I guess what Garofalo would be in, is hardly the same as the sexualized culture.
	I agree.
	So I'm agreeing on that, but just so there's no confusion, that the underground...
	And I did not know this, because I've been to Dubai, I've stayed there, and of course, clearly I didn't get an invite.
	But it appears that it's like hookers, blow, alcohol, you name it, anything you want.
	Who's that in New York City?
	Yeah, but...
	In Dubai, they throw tourists in jail because you're kissing on the beach.
	Yes, which means it's not a sexualized culture.
	There just happens to be a sick undercurrent.
	I mean, there's not a country in the world that doesn't have that.
	We have to assume so.
	I mean, go to Hong Kong.
	There's back alley action going on there, too.
	So to speak.
	I mean, there's like, you know, the same thing in Vietnam.
	I mean, they have all kinds of rules against all these things.
	You're reliably informed?
	You're reliably informed?
	The point of the matter is that it's not a sexualized culture.
	It's like a very repressed culture that happens to have an illegal underground of sexuality or perversion or who knows what.
	I was never invited to a Dubai scene, and I wouldn't go.
	John, if I was invited...
	I think that's completely nuts.
	If I was invited, I would definitely go, and I would report back.
	I would take one for the team.
	Yeah, you might end up taking one for the team.
	It's time once again to look at everyone's favorite company whose stock, by the way, is doing extremely good.
	They made an extra...
	Extremely well.
	Well.
	They made an extra penny per share above what was expected on the street.
	Their stock now above 70.
	Report here that...
	This is pretty interesting, actually.
	The...
	Is it Australia?
	I think it's...
	I think it's in Australia.
	There's this pigweed, as they call it, which Roundup can no longer kill.
	Yeah, I love this pigweed story.
	And I like the name of it, too.
	Pigweed.
	Oh, I've got pigweed.
	Yeah, so this stuff has just become completely immune to Roundup.
	And farmers are now freaking out, but Monsanto was saying it's the farmer's fault.
	Now they're blaming the farmers.
	I mean, what is going on?
	Blame the farmer.
	There's a little clip here we can play.
	Maybe there's something interesting to listen to.
	Hey, how come it's...
	What's the path to becoming a rock star entrepreneur?
	I hate these pre-rolls.
	That sucks.
	Megan Duckett.
	Go away.
	Alright, hold on.
	Here's the report.
	We feature a battle that is underway down south.
	Oh, this is here, not in Australia.
	...valuable crops, cotton among them.
	And this year, farmers have a real battle on their hands.
	A real battle on their hands.
	A real battle.
	I'm Charles Gibson.
	I used to be on an entertainment show.
	Now I'm the news expert.
	Real battle.
	...and some menacing weed.
	Weed!
	It seems to have a mind of its own.
	It's fighting your bullshit.
	It has a mind of its own.
	Who wrote this?
	Did Monsanto give him the script?
	Across the south.
	It is the super weed.
	It's the weed that man can no longer...
	I'm sorry, I like this whole thing about weed.
	It's super weed.
	Hey man, let me smoke some of that.
	I'm afraid it's here to stay for a while.
	It's called the pigweed.
	It's native to North America, and for decades, farmers have been able to control it by spraying their fields with herbicides.
	This past summer, Pace Hinesley and other farmers started noticing the chemicals were no longer working.
	There's no rhyme or reason how we can control it.
	The weeds have adapted, and this year they're choking more than a million acres of cotton and soybeans.
	I think it's all set up.
	I think Monsanto has set this up so they can then sell us some of their modified corn.
	There's some element possibly of that, but I think it's essential or essentially just another evolutionary...
	It's funny because I think a lot of these farmers believe that the earth started 6,000 years ago and evolution is bogus.
	You just keep spraying.
	There's probably one or two little weeds that live through it.
	They didn't mind.
	They're the only ones living.
	It's a classic example of natural selections.
	It's a beauty.
	Let's say you got two clips.
	You got one from...
	Did we do the Lieberman on FBI from last week?
	I don't think we did that.
	And we have Judgmental is another clip I have here from you.
	Why don't we do those and then we need to get into our minute.
	Our minute?
	Oh, the minute.
	Yeah, the minute.
	Okay, well, let's do a couple of these.
	These are just miscellaneous clips.
	One of them I'm going to bring up because we don't talk about it much because we decided the whole thing is just another distraction, which is the acorn.
	So they had the woman who, the head's an acorn, and she did her own investigation internally, you know, like that's going to do any good.
	Yeah, we fired people.
	And we fired people, but there was just something interesting that she said when she was apologizing for the whole thing, and they took a quote, and they read her quote, and in there, there was a comment that I just have to say something about.
	Play this little clip on her.
	My Thursday, Martha.
	Well, Trace Acorn is back in the news today.
	Bertha Lewis, the CEO community activist group leader, has just released the details of their internal investigation now.
	This after employees from several Acorn offices were caught.
	Lewis saying, quote, yes, I terminated those employees, some of them.
	It was very sad.
	Over tenure, veterans, mothers, grandmothers who thought they were doing the right thing by not being judgmental.
	Okay, there it is.
	Judgmental.
	I'm a murderer.
	Let's don't be judgmental.
	This is like a reverse racism thing or something.
	What the hell is that supposed to mean?
	It's like political correctness gone nuts.
	So they had all these people that were natural for them, I've seen these movies, for them not to be judgmental because being judgmental is politically incorrect.
	It's a bad thing.
	It's like if you have a limp or something, not if you're a prostitute and bringing in underage girls.
	Yeah, but no, no, no.
	It can't be judgmental.
	It can't be judgmental.
	But that's the whole liberal notion.
	Yeah, it is.
	That's what's killing us.
	Although I will say when I watch Glenn Beck, who I haven't seen in a couple days, actually, what is kind of interesting is he and others are now using the fake...
	Set up, which was a fake prostitute with a fake pimp bringing in fake underage girls to become prostitutes.
	They've now turned that into, ACORN allows prostitutes to bring in girls from Nicaragua.
	I was like, well, hold on a second.
	It was fake.
	You know what I mean?
	It's like they've really turned that into fact instead of what it was, which was a set up.
	But anyway, you're right.
	It's just a distraction.
	So we don't watch the $700 billion that is being spent on the military in Guantanamo Bay, which will not be closed.
	Don't look over here.
	Nothing to see here.
	Oh, look at that.
	Okay, now the other clip I have is Lieberman, who is just a droopy dog guy, and he's...
	He's at a hearing, and this is one of the committees on Homeland Security, and he has these different people on.
	I only want to play this one about New York.
	I think it's a clip that says something about New York.
	And so he, and he, it's just really kind of, just a bunch of window dressing, where they bring these, they had these different agencies on, and they had Neopolitano, whatever her name is, And she's just a bureaucrat.
	She's the Incredible Hulk is what she is.
	Doesn't she look like the Hulk?
	She does a little bit, as you mentioned.
	So does that woman from the EPA. But anyway, so they've got this new agency that's kind of a super agency.
	Whatever the case is, they...
	They have the one guy from the FBI there, too.
	So he's answering the following question, which is just so insincere.
	And then Lieberman comes off with a bunch of bull that's obviously just meant to be put in a publication someplace.
	And he's always the guy that goes, I really thank you for your service and your dedication and your time.
	Oh, it's worse than that on this one.
	Thank you for getting up this morning.
	Yeah, thank you for getting up and having bacon and eggs.
	So, let's play the Lieberman clip.
	It's an eye-roller from beginning to end.
	Director Mueller, I have tremendous regard for the FBI and the New York Police Department.
	There were some news media reports about some disagreements between the FBI and the NYPD in the investigation of Zazi.
	I've had the occasion to talk to both you and Commissioner Kelly about these, and I wanted, to the extent you're comfortable, just to ask you to respond briefly for the public record on that.
	How are your relations with the New York Police Department?
	I think...
	I believe our relations are exceptionally good, as good as they've been in a long time.
	I do believe the news media exaggerates issues that come up in any investigation.
	You don't say.
	You don't say.
	We talk ourselves through our New York office with NYPD. It's not just daily, but because we're embedded in each other's shops, we're working closely together day in and day out.
	The New York Police Department has done a remarkable job in understanding the domain and allocating resources to address threats.
	The relationship, I think, is as good as it's ever been at this juncture.
	The exchange of information through the Joint Terrorism Task Force has been fulsome and enabled us to take the steps that we've taken to disrupt this latest...
	They waste a lot of valuable C-SPAN airtime, don't they?
	Unbelievable.
	But anyway, you've got to listen to this.
	It just gets better.
	I appreciate hearing that.
	As I said to you when we talked about this, I had occasion to be with Commissioner Rae.
	You know, I actually saw this live, John.
	I know what's coming.
	...of the New York Police Department the other day asked him the same question and he gave exactly the same answer.
	What?
	Verbatim, no less.
	Wait, wait.
	He says he talked to the New York Police Department and he gave exactly the same answer.
	Just on national treasures.
	National treasures!
	In terms of law enforcement and counterterrorism, and I'm reassured to hear that you're working well together.
	You know what?
	I think that when they open up the anal probes at the TSA, Lieberman should go first.
	Send him through first.
	You know, I watched this, and it was just like, why are we wasting time with this bullshit?
	Yeah, and you know, and by the way, C-SPAN is starting to irk me, because on the Dish Network, I only get C-SPAN 1 and 2.
	Do you get 3 somewhere?
	No, I don't get 3.
	Because all the good shit is on 3.
	When does 3?
	When did 3 show?
	I don't even know about 3.
	No, you can only get 3 online, apparently.
	Or maybe it's on some cable systems, but you have to go to cspan.org, and then you have to drill down, and of course you have to have Windows Media Player.
	I think it does Real Player as well, actually.
	Oh, that's modern.
	Yeah, that's great.
	You know, give me some Flash, baby.
	And that's where all the really good committees are, because they always have the votes.
	They were voting on like...
	I don't even know what they were.
	Like some scam thing about going to remove some guy.
	Who gives a crap?
	It's like, you know, you're looking at it.
	The Senate is on recess.
	And they play like some hokey music and show you a really high ceiling shot of the Senate floor.
	That's like a waste.
	Meanwhile, the committees, which are talking about, you know, the health care bill and other things, are on C-SPAN 3.
	Huh.
	Well, I just started looking at C-SPAN3. I did notice the other night they had one of those situations like at 10 at night with two guys, the whole place dead empty.
	Completely empty, yeah.
	And two senators going back and forth with each other.
	Like, well, I think I will.
	Will the senator yield?
	Yes, I'll yield.
	You know, it's like Chip and Dale, these two chipmunks.
	And so the one senator, I think you're absolutely correct about this, Senator.
	I yield back.
	You rock.
	You rock.
	Hey, we've got about 15-20 minutes left, so let's fill that time with...
	Because it's arrived.
	The vaccine is here.
	And they've got video of kids being shot up the nose.
	With this vaccine.
	Yeah, the one that came out of the blue, the flu mist.
	Yeah, so there's this little video which is from the early show, which often features...
	Is that what Natalie Del Conte is on, the early show?
	I don't know which one of the shows she's...
	That's CBS. She's on the CBS show.
	Oh, right.
	That's this morning or whatever.
	So it's not quite as good if you don't see the video.
	Typically, it's fun to listen to the audio.
	Well, maybe we will hear more things, but I will point out some key pieces of video that you are missing while this is playing.
	This is another huge setup.
	To get us all on this fine vaccine.
	First of all, the ongoing fight against the H1N1. This is CBS, dude.
	This is that Harry Shearer dude.
	So I think this is Natalie's show.
	I love that.
	It's now a soap.
	The day in the life of the H1N1 vaccine.
	Dr. Jennifer Ashton is here with more.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Harry.
	And notice how they have a really hot doctor.
	Why is this doctor not in my doctor's office?
	I mean, I would be going for every scrape.
	Hey, baby, could you just take a look at this over here, please?
	Just kiss it and it'll be better.
	Good morning, Harry.
	Good morning.
	The government has ordered 250 million doses of the H1N1 vaccine, which means there's no service for someone.
	will be enough to cover demand in the United States, but the CDC admits that getting the vaccine out will be bumpy at first.
	As 27 states report widespread activity of influenza, the long-awaited H1N1... Have you seen these reports?
	I don't get it.
	I thought everyone stopped reporting, and now all of a sudden it turns out there's been 250 deaths in California?
	Did you know that?
	I thought they stopped reporting.
	Yeah, they did.
	But apparently, CBS has data we don't.
	Scene is rolling out.
	So this is awesome, awesome shots of people getting this syringe up their nose.
	Which I figured out, of course, is to stop people.
	More people will take it when they know it's not an actual shot, because people don't like shots.
	But jamming something up your nose with a little bit of mist is not that frightening.
	And when is up to individual states.
	The nasal spray variety available now is only for healthy people between the ages of 2 and 49 and will most likely be given first to those in the priority group that includes health care workers, children, and people who care for children.
	As the vaccine...
	Hey, John, I care.
	Do you care for children?
	Everybody does.
	I care.
	Rolls out.
	We checked out three different hot spots to see what's going on with H1N1 across the country.
	Terrell Brown is in New York City.
	We are inside the Montefiore Medical Center.
	It's one of the first hospitals in New York City to receive the H1N1 vaccine.
	The hospital ordered...
	He's opening up the fridge.
	So far, 500 doses of the nasal...
	And it's literally a fridge.
	It's like a sub-zero.
	It's...
	It's just like when I got here.
	Yesterday, two children were among the first to receive the vaccine.
	Yay!
	You're going to die!
	Truth of the matter is, most healthy people will have to wait.
	While waiting for the vaccine, Dr.
	Pat Crocker reports that hundreds have fallen ill in Austin.
	Now this, you can't see this, but they have a tent set up indoors, like a military tent, like a triage.
	And it looks really scary.
	You know, they've got people walking around with flu masks.
	So it looks like Outbreak, the Dustin Hoffman movie.
	You know, they've got people in contamination suits and shit.
	And here's a throwback to the one we saw before, John.
	At Oklahoma City's Children's Hospital.
	Up here, H1N1 has become a life and death fight.
	Three kids sick with the virus are critically ill up here.
	So it used to be two.
	Remember, there was the white rich kid and the poor black kid.
	Now there's three.
	And one is Mexican.
	So we've...
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's great.
	Somebody did a focus group saying, where's the Mexican?
	Yeah, we need some Mexicans in there.
	We're going to fight this together.
	Two of them are...
	We're going to fight this together.
	...proving, but the third could go either way.
	And then they show the black kid.
	Oklahoma has become one of the state's hardest hit by H1N1. The virus has doubled the everyday caseload in the hospital's emergency room and changed the way this hospital does business.
	Anyway, so the marketing push is on big time right now to get us to take this vaccine.
	At best, it is just to take money.
	Oh yeah, it's a money grab, let's face it.
	Now one of the things that's interesting is the CBS really likes to harp on this Oklahoma thing.
	We have no numbers that show it's like the hardest hit.
	Nope.
	We've looked.
	There's no news reports about it being hardest hit.
	But we have those same two people.
	I know why.
	No, I know why.
	I know why.
	Because they had the lights all set up.
	The lights are there.
	They just left the lights all focused and everything.
	So, you know, they've got to go back.
	It's like cheaper.
	It's cheaper to shoot there.
	It's a union thing.
	It's a union thing.
	Exactly.
	Governor Schwarzenegger signed...
	An executive order declared a state of emergency in California so that...
	Here it is.
	So that federal...
	Departments can do all kinds of stuff to vaccinate the people within their departments, and they have priority.
	I'll put it in the show notes at noagendashow.com.
	And so there is a state of emergency for the swine flu.
	What's interesting, though, and I keep trying this at the office, because we have a number of documented swine flu cases at the office.
	Mickey's assistant has been out for three days, confirmed swine flu.
	And it sucks.
	You know, you got the flu, you don't feel good, and it kind of varies.
	Some people feel better than others, and some feel really crappy.
	But when you say to someone, you probably have the swine flu.
	What is the first thing they say?
	No!
	I don't have the swine flu!
	Yeah, I... What is that?
	You're right.
	Well, you're like the only one that's just the opposite.
	You had like the sniffles.
	No, I had swine flu.
	I have the swine flu!
	I gotta mark that one as well.
	That may be better.
	Ha ha ha!
	I had the swine flu.
	It was exactly in that period when there was two weeks in California.
	Everyone was saying swine flu can strike.
	The president was in Mexico.
	So, you know, I was like, I had it.
	But when you say to someone, oh, it's probably swine flu.
	Even if I've tried different variations, I've tried, you know, it's probably normal.
	It's just you probably have the swine flu.
	No!
	No, I don't have swine flu!
	Well, yeah.
	I mean, lots of people are getting it.
	It's like the flu, you know.
	So they've been sold a bill of goods, and of course everybody seems to, you know, we have to admit or acknowledge the fact that Americans, especially since the George Bush administration, have become out and out superstitious.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's good.
	Yeah.
	And so saying you have the swine flu, if you just stay in denial, because if I think I have the swine flu, I might die.
	But if I pretend that I don't have the swine flu, I will live because of some superstition that the swine flu is this deadly disease.
	When it turns out, if they actually read these reports, they'd find it's a very mild form of the regular flu, generally.
	It's even admitted that way.
	They even say this.
	But then they show...
	Three kids who have had, I'm sure, every single study says, well, the people who died actually had pneumonia, respiratory diseases.
	What?
	John?
	Nothing.
	You were screaming.
	What happened?
	Yeah.
	What happened?
	Are you going to put in the pet peeve thing again?
	Well, I'll do it if you want it.
	No, I'm just saying.
	The level of superstition is pretty pathetic, and all you're doing is just uncovering it.
	Well, that's kind of what we do on this show.
	And many people...
	And of course, I might add...
	Nobody at the office listens to our show.
	No.
	One person, one person, Andrew Grumman.
	Oh, and by the way, you know, Mark, he has two, he has twins, and he was in the office the other day, and whatever, and they were born prematurely, so they were an incubator for a little while, and they're doing great now.
	And so we're having a meeting, and I try to shake these meetings up, and I was like, well, you know, I can't...
	Hi, baby.
	I can't get the swine flu, you know, because the kids can't get the swine flu.
	I said, well, you know, they'll be okay, you know, and they're really healthy right now.
	I said, yeah, but, you know, we have to get them the swine flu vaccine.
	I said, no.
	And they're like 18 months.
	I said, no, dude, absolutely not.
	By the way...
	Under two, they're not supposed to get it.
	Well, the doctor says we should.
	I said, the doctor says you should give your twins, who are 18 months old, you should give them the swine flu vaccine.
	Yeah, yeah, he keeps saying it's time, it's time.
	So I pull up the CDC sheet.
	I said, well, the Centers for Disease Control, who deliver this vaccine information sheet, Literally say, not under two.
	So you should take this to your doctor and shove it up his ass.
	And it's confusing to people.
	So clearly his doctor is on the take.
	I'm sure he gets paid X amount for each shot he administers.
	It's bullshit.
	Anyway, so we uncovered this stuff.
	We hit people in the mouth.
	And then we turn right around and we beg for money.
	We had some good donations because we didn't get really much at the beginning or after Sunday.
	Well, we did get back on iTunes.
	We got back on iTunes, so that might help us out a little bit.
	Yeah, although I still get somebody complaining that we're still not on iTunes.
	I don't know what that's all about.
	Well, it seems to be working for me now.
	Everywhere else seems to be okay.
	And we got some good donations.
	Ian Davies and Bridge End UK. So we're still getting the international donations, $55.
	David I. McAnally in Rome, Texas, $104.
	That's a good one.
	Lee Donaghy in Yarmouth, 50, who's the one who says we're not doing enough European stuff.
	David Alston in Yukon, Oklahoma.
	And he wants us to, for 50 bucks, he wants us to plug, which I'll do now, freshamericanbison.com, which I assume...
	Oh, it's a meat racket.
	It's a meat racket.
	I like buffalo, by the way.
	I like it, too.
	You had buffalo at a restaurant.
	The other day, yeah.
	Which you said might not have been buffalo, but I'll believe it.
	Yeah, I think you were buffaloed.
	I like buffalo, too.
	I like all kinds of venison.
	I like anything that is not fed on Monsanto corn, essentially.
	Elk is great, by the way.
	We need somebody out there who listens to the show who is an elk guy.
	So what's this guy's website?
	What was the website again?
	Fresh American Bison.
	Great.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for your donation.
	Maybe we could order a couple of steaks.
	Then we have our 13th woman, Serena Swanson.
	Hey, hey!
	Bristol, UK, 50.
	John Richard, New Orleans, 75.
	Sterling Ellsworth, 77, 77.
	And I don't know why I don't have Sterling's City.
	I'll dig it up for next time.
	Then we have Guy Bozy.
	From France?
	$100?
	Tel Aviv, and he thinks he may be the first Israeli.
	I think he's right.
	Well, that's kind of pathetic.
	Yeah, well, first of all, thank you.
	Yes, thanks, Guy.
	How many shekels is that?
	Probably about five.
	Gilbert Bollinger, actually, in Santa Barbara 100.
	Oh, this is interesting.
	I wrote something down peculiarly.
	You can't read your handwriting?
	No, no.
	I wrote this.
	Somebody's from Homo Sasa, Florida.
	I don't think it's Gilbert.
	I know it's not Mike Westerfield, who's just on a night thing.
	Homo Sasa!
	Homo Sasa said what?
	I'll have to look it up.
	Sorry.
	Tristan Lennon in Wagga Wagga, another 50.
	Anna...
	Anna V. There's another woman, by the way, up to 15.
	Anna V. Loizaya.
	L-O-Y-Z-A-Y-A or Lozaga.
	Lozaga.
	That's what it is, sorry.
	Davia.
	Davia.
	I love these names.
	Anavi Lozaga.
	Yeah, a great job.
	She gave $50 in one sense.
	She wants us to say happy birthday to her boyfriend, Beto, B-E-T-O, Echesareta.
	Hey, happy birthday, Beto.
	And he's in Cancun.
	Life's tough.
	Chris Clark in Oviedo, Florida, $69.69.
	We love that one.
	Anyone who does 6969 should get extra.
	Always gets an extra mention.
	There's nothing like the 69.
	Ezra Phillips in Antwerp.
	I think this is our first Antwerp guy.
	$50.
	Very possible.
	It's about 5 euros, I think.
	Yep.
	Oh, man.
	San Colechio.
	In Charlotte, North Carolina, 100.
	Was that San or Sam?
	It says San on here, but it should be Sam, I think.
	I don't know.
	And then, of course, John Schuman, who is our executive producer for this week from Madison, Wisconsin, $451.
	Oh, wait.
	Eva just walked in, Mickey's assistant.
	Eva, what did you have?
	Come closer.
	Come closer to the microphone.
	Hold on a second.
	You were sick, right?
	Yeah.
	What did you have?
	Flu.
	What kind of flu?
	Don't know.
	Come on.
	H1N1? Yeah, thank you.
	Just wanted to hear.
	Could you please, like, lick me?
	He's already...
	He's already...
	You'll ruin the show if you lick him.
	Don't do it.
	She had swine flu.
	She had swine flu?
	And she lives!
	Who is this?
	This is Eva, Mickey's assistant.
	Oh, and she had swine flu?
	Yeah, she was out for three days.
	What did you have, like fever?
	Yeah, you have coughing?
	Have her describe the symptoms for people.
	Hold on a second.
	Would you mind coming over, Eva?
	Let me just turn off the noise gate so we can actually hear her.
	Hold on.
	Let me turn that off.
	I think my son may have had swine flu last week.
	Okay, Eva's going to describe her symptoms.
	So, stuffy, cough, fever, headache.
	Stomach?
	No, no stomach.
	No stomach.
	Short of breath, no energy.
	Really?
	No energy?
	No sex drive?
	No sex drive.
	Swine flu, John.
	Ask her if her lungs were aching.
	Were your lungs aching?
	No.
	But you were short of breath.
	She was short of breath, though, John.
	So she had coughing, fever.
	Coughing, fever, aching, short of breath.
	And fatigue.
	And fatigue.
	Anything else that we should know about?
	No, that's pretty much it.
	Okay, what did you take?
	Sudafed, Tylenol, Paracetamol.
	Yeah.
	And how many days was this?
	It started Saturday, so about five days.
	Five days.
	Five days.
	And she lives, and she looks fine.
	Let me just check you out.
	She had Tamiflu or what?
	No, she didn't.
	She looks great, by the way.
	Nice rack.
	She looks great.
	She didn't take any Tamiflu.
	She took Sudafed and Tylenol.
	And she lives.
	Well, there you have it.
	There you go.
	There was somebody on the radio the other day that, you know, they were talking about swine flu on some sports show and somebody's friend died.
	Well, you know what?
	I had a friend die the other day.
	You know, I forgot to close the minute.
	Well, let's get back to these donations and mention to people that they should be donating, and they should go to Dvorak.org slash NA or NoAgendaShow.com and help us out.
	I'd like to see more of the $5 a month subscriptions.
	We actually only pick up like one or two.
	It's actually kind of low, because if somebody suggested this as a great idea, and I haven't seen any evidence that anyone's really...
	Because the $5 was supposed to work really well.
	Have we gotten any more layaway knights?
	We don't talk about the knights very often.
	Well, we do talk about the knights themselves.
	We actually have about three in play.
	We have about three of these guys in play.
	Westerfield, Father Ralph.
	So when they complete, when they've done their $50 a month and they become full-fledged knights, we should have some kind of Masonic ceremony, shouldn't we?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Yeah.
	Okay, cool.
	I like that.
	Okay, we'll talk about the Knights on Sunday a little more, and then I can mention the guys that are currently going for it.
	I think the knighthood actually involves a blowjob.
	Hey, you know what?
	You give us $1,000, I'll blow you.
	No problem.
	No problem.
	The guy's cheap.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And your point is, Dr.
	Dvorak...
	So, there's also, I think, somebody, unfortunately, I keep, you know, I'm, you know, the problem is if people want to send us stuff, like, you know, use the code NOAGENDA in the subject line, and if you want to send me something that, like, for example, somebody did about four days ago, say, you know, you forgot to mention me.
	Oh, that sucks.
	But the problem is I have like 200, I mean, even though I don't get any spam, I get lots of email.
	If you do, if you send stuff to me in particular, if you want, like, if I forgot to mention you or I pronounced your name wrong or something crappy, and you want me to make it up to you, send me the note the night before we do the shows.
	In other words, send me a note on Wednesday night with no agenda in the subject line and something else, or Saturday night, and the likelihood, because it's everything I do...
	What we need is we need an assistant.
	Yeah, we do.
	So, are we done with all the donations?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So, first of all, thank you all very much.
	And thanks for the people who give us smaller amounts.
	Yes, we appreciate that too.
	And a lot of you give smaller amounts so we don't mention you, which is fully understood.
	Feel free to give us many of the smaller amounts if you want.
	We do this as a service, but we can't do it for free.
	We spend a hell of a lot of time working on this program.
	Torturing ourselves.
	We got up early this morning because I have a doctor's appointment I have to go to.
	We're always delivering a show to you no matter what, and we'll do it earlier rather than later if we have some kind of conflict because life sometimes just does get in the way.
	We do it twice a week.
	We're always working on doing more.
	We've got the No Agenda stream, which we're working on.
	Thanks to all the...
	We must have like 25 or 30 people who want to be a stream manager.
	We're now meticulously going through interviewing people, talking to them, finding out if they can do the job that we are dreaming of.
	And some of the money that you donate will go to that person.
	And eventually we'll have like a little business, I hope.
	And I want to also do a shout-out to Bubba Martin, who does our cage match, and he fell ill.
	Yeah.
	We hope he's doing better.
	He is doing better, but we hope he stays healthy.
	John, just to wrap it up, I'd like to give you a pop quiz.
	Okay, Pop.
	What book...
	Has sold 25% more copies in the first half year of this year than it sold in all of last year, shipping a total of 300,000 copies so far.
	What book could it be?
	Hold on a second.
	Hold on a second.
	I have...
	Again, your question.
	Atlas Shrugged.
	At least let the Jeopardy theme get in there a little bit.
	What is Atlas Shrugged?
	Yes, you answered in the form of a question.
	You are correct.
	You can go on to the Daily Double.
	That's right.
	Atlas Shrugged is seeing a huge resurgence because people are seeing the complete connections between what Ayn Rand wrote and what is happening today at this very moment.
	So it's time to go Galt, everybody.
	And again, something you heard on this show first before it became mainstream knowledge.
	Unfortunately.
	Have you read it yet, John?
	Are you one of the three?
	Yeah, I read it last week.
	Yeah, bullshit.
	You did not.
	This guy named Galt?
	Someone should stop him.
	He's a jackass.
	All right.
	I think we've had just about enough.
	Would you mind just starting the book, John?
	I read it.
	I read it last week.
	You did not.
	It takes you a month to read that book.
	I read Fountainhead in one sitting.
	Okay.
	Well, when you read it, you'll go, hey, damn, Adam, you were right.
	I can say that anytime you want.
	Just send me a memo.
	I want you to read it.
	Bring it up in a meeting.
	Oh, I'm almost done with Death by Meeting.
	What a great book.
	Oh yeah, I gotta read that.
	Yeah, I mean that thing you can read in two hours.
	It's a good one.
	Anyway, if the minimum containment cell has not been torn down by then, I'll be back here on Sunday.
	Bringing you another episode of No Agenda.
	Well, hold on, let me say my name.
	Oh, I thought you were done.
	No, I'm Adam Curry.
	So, meanwhile, it's foggy here in Foggy Bottom, northern Silicon Valley, and I should be here, I think.
	I don't think I'm going anywhere this weekend.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We will talk to you again on Sunday, apparently, right here on No Agenda.

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