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122: Sebelius Double Speak
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I don't hang up anymore, because you always bitch about it.
Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
It's Sunday, August 16, 2009.
Time again for your Gitmo Nation Audio Publication, Episode 122.
This is No Agenda.
Coming to you from the 17th Century Canal House Crackpot Command Center in the heart of Gitmo Nation East.
In Amsterdam today, I'm Adam Curry.
And I'm John C. Dvorak from the fire-filled hills of California.
You're supposed to end with John C. Dvorak.
Yeah, I know.
I blew it.
Hey, man, that Santa Cruz fire, that's pretty wicked.
Eh, that's pretty typical.
Because Tony, Tony, the ferry pilot, he said he could see it when he was flying into Oakland.
Oh, yeah, you can see all these fires when you're flying around.
Yeah, he said it was like a big wall, a big angry wall of fire.
Yeah, it was a problem fire because it was one of those you had to let it go for a while before you could do anything about it.
And I'm so happy that it happened, you know, like two weeks after I was there because I'm like, you know, I would totally get blamed for that shit.
How would you get blamed for it?
Does your airplane have a lot of sparks coming off of it?
No, you know someone flicked a cigarette out the window of their car, and that's how it happened, right?
That's always how these things get started.
It was so dry when we were up there.
I was just like, this is just not good.
That's right, you were in the area.
Yeah, totally.
You notice how dry it was, right?
Oh, it's unbelievable.
There was a worse fire that was in Tracy, because Tracy's where all the wind generators are, and it's all grasslands, and so when the fire starts there, the wind is usually blowing 50 miles an hour, and they just have nothing but trouble.
Yeah, I mean, it seems like it's impossible to stop.
Impossible.
So I'm in the 17th Century Canal House.
Connection seems reasonable.
Of course, not provided by AT&T, so we should be good to go.
They won't try to unplug us.
And I flew through the night.
I did sleep a little bit, so I'm a little shaky.
So what carrier did you go on?
I took KLM, which I am liking more and more.
Certainly more than those...
Yeah, that's the Royal Dutch Airlines.
It's Royal Dutch Airlines Air France, I must say.
Oh, did they buy Air France?
Oh, did they merge?
Or what's the deal?
Air France bought them, yeah.
And Air France lost, I think, half a billion euros in their most recent report.
Well, you know you're getting a deal.
I've got to tell you, though, first of all, it's about...
It's almost, it's $2,000 cheaper to fly with KLM. Okay, granted, you don't get the nice little duvet.
And in fact, you know, if you were to look, if you would Google Virgin Upper Class, I wonder if there's a picture.
Because I was, you know, so I'm kind of off my Virgin Atlantic trip for a number of reasons.
One, just the price was so outrageous.
Of course, they hedged their fuel, which means that they should actually be able to provide a much cheaper service.
But instead, it looks like they've just kept it the same.
I mean, If you call within a month to book your round trip, they literally charge you upper class 7,000 pounds.
7,000 pounds.
That's $10,000.
No, it's more like $12,000.
It's ridiculous.
$12,000 for what?
Is that around the world?
No, that's round trip.
No, that's San Francisco, London, round trip.
$12,000?
Yeah, and if you do it...
I'm sorry, you have more?
Yeah, 7,000 pounds.
Yeah, that's about 12,000.
And if you do it outside of a month, then they give you some break.
Then it's like 5,200 pounds.
I mean, it's outrageous.
In KLM, you fly business class.
They don't have a first class.
And it's 2,200 euros.
So that's like $3,000.
But if you can Google Virgin...
Upper class, let me see, diagram.
Can I make a comment about the Virgin price?
Yes, please.
It seems high.
Yeah, and they're arrogant.
I'm looking for a diagram because the way it's set up in Virgin upper class, you know those diagrams of slave ships and how the slaves were all packed into...
Into the ship?
Yeah.
That's exactly what it's like on Virgin.
And the more I thought about that and the price, I'm like, it's ridiculous that I'm paying to be transported like a slave with a duvet for $12,000.
I wish I could find one.
Virgin class, maybe it's seating diagram.
I mean, it's eerie.
It's just eerie when you see it.
For the show notes, I should get...
Yeah, get a copy of it.
Or you should take pictures when you go away.
You're probably not going to fly them anymore.
Oh, here it is.
Let me see.
This is it.
This might be it.
Yeah, hold on.
Let me just, well, it's not exactly the depiction I wanted to give you, but when you see it, you'll understand what I'm saying here.
I may have seen this kind of layout before.
There's a bunch of these, holy crap, what kind of a link is that?
I don't know.
It's like war and peace.
I'm sorry.
Oh, this is the Airbus.
Okay, so now look at the upper class, and you see it's just like you're packed in like slaves.
Look at the front.
Holy crap.
You see what I'm saying?
So that, of course, is your own personal suite.
You don't get any more, any less.
The seat on KLM goes almost vertical.
I didn't sleep any worse.
And the food is superior on KLM to Virginia.
Oh, really?
Oh, far superior.
I'm always amused by the fact that the food varies so much from...
Carrier to carrier?
Carrier to carrier, but it also varies over time.
A friend of mine was the consultant for Delta for a while for both the wine and the food.
And he was great because the food for a short period of time on Delta was absolutely spectacular.
But then I went in the back and it was kind of complicated.
They actually had to do more than just throw it out in front of you.
And I'm talking about in first class.
And so I went and talked to the flight attendants about it.
And they would, well, you know, they make us pour this sauce on it.
And they were moaning.
So I had to do actual work.
Yeah, because I actually do actual work.
You know, they had to try, you know, do some whatever.
You know, the flight attendants are not there to serve you, John.
They're there for your safety.
Yeah, I know they make that point.
It is true, though.
It is true.
If you need to evacuate out of that plane, I would say their training does kick in.
If you're savable, they will save you.
Yeah, well, that's a good thing.
I'd rather have that than the food.
But it's nice to have the food.
But what was more interesting was the fact that they had a really amazing selection of wines.
And then, you know, they...
The guy went and he did the consulting for Singapore for a while.
Who actually run Virgin Atlantic.
It's run by Singapore, you know.
Oh, that's interesting.
So then the food there was really outstanding for a while.
Now I know what he's doing now.
He's doing a magazine or something.
But the point is that it fluctuates.
And it goes from consultant to consultant.
And these bean counters come in there and say, this is so expensive.
We should be able to save 50 cents a head.
And they do the calculation.
And the next thing you know, the food is crap again.
Or like Alaskan used to brag about their food up and down the coast.
And then they just all of a sudden, no food.
No food for you!
You will get no food.
No service for you!
What I like about KLM is even though there's a crunch, even though they lost half a billion euros, still at the end of the flight, everybody in business class gets to choose a nice little canal house.
Have you ever flown KLM where you get this, John?
Yeah, they gave you that little bowls thing.
Message from Mark Vantage.
What the hell was that?
Message from Mark Vantage.
Someone's Skyping.
Someone's Skyping me.
The Skyping is coming over the broadcast?
I don't know what's going on.
So, yeah, it's a nice Del's Blue Canal House.
They have 89 of them.
I have one.
I probably have about 40, although I don't know where most of those are, so I started the collection anew.
You could make a whole wall of them.
You could make it look like a little...
Yeah, you could play like Little Holland.
You could have a little train set to go around.
Oh, it's so cool.
Anyway, so the food was good.
Selection of wine was good.
Steward is just very, very kind.
And they have 110-volt in-seat power, which is also very nice.
I like that.
So, in other words, what you're saying is that, you know, if this was an American to carry those little houses, little porcelain houses filled with liquor, would be the first to go.
Of course, they're out of here.
We'll have none of those perks.
No, it's nice, you know.
And in fact, when Mickey and I flew together, they gave us two.
You know, it's like, oh, you're special.
Here, why don't you take another one?
Well, they do that once in a while in a united with a Godiva chocolate, and that's about it.
Woo!
So anyway, on the aviation tip, two other things.
One, so my aircraft arrived in Oakland, and Tony, the ferry pilot, flew it all the way over from London.
He took about, well, it would have been five days.
He took six because the vacuum pump broke somewhere between Canada and Vermont.
And so he said, I don't need it.
I don't really need it to fly.
I said, why don't you just get it repaired, Tony?
That's okay.
And so this guy, he's almost 70.
And I stand corrected.
I thought he had done 150 of these crossings.
He has done 550 of these crossings.
Wow.
And he's retired, and this is what he does.
He flies airplanes from Europe to Alaska.
He flies them down to Brazil, anywhere in the world.
And I was tracking him on Google Earth.
I put a link on my site, curry.com.
And so he was going over the Rockies, and I'm looking at him doing like 16,000 feet for hours on end.
I'm like, wow, that's pretty impressive.
Of course, turns out he didn't have any oxygen with him.
He was literally flying for like four hours at 16,000 feet with no oxygen.
I'm like, Tony, dude.
He said, yeah, I did get a little bit of a headache.
Yeah.
Yeah, I would think.
No kidding!
That's like highly not recommended.
You say, well, it beats flying into the mountain.
Yeah, okay.
I'll take that.
This guy was full of stories.
You would have loved talking to him.
I took him out for dinner.
After he landed, and he had some amazing stories.
This is one of these guys like, well, you know, I was flying this beach out of Brazil, and I got struck by lightning, and it was a hole the size of my head and the wing.
He's got all these great stories.
You just sit there like, duh.
You feel so completely inadequate as an aviator.
Like, yeah, okay.
You're like, that's pretty exciting.
So it's in.
Good.
Yeah, I'm very happy.
And I have a little plane to fly around.
It's not just a little plane.
It's my escape pod.
It's actually a pretty nice plane.
It's a 182, right?
Yeah, retractable.
And it has the long-range tank so you can fly for seven hours.
And that's a nice 150 knots.
Sounds like a road trip.
Vegas, here we come.
Yeah, Vegas should only be about under two hours, I think.
Of course, you know, they're changing the Vegas airport structure.
They're supposedly moving the general aviation down to the middle of nowhere somewhere.
They're rebuilding the airport, which has already been rebuilt.
But the thing is, with this economy going the way it is, I think Vegas is putting itself into a bind.
Yeah, they've got some problems.
No, it's not going to get any better.
Just staying with aviation, I was reading that, let's see, where is it?
I think the UK pumps some money into Airbus, which of course is a big point of contention between Boeing and EADS, the European Aerodefense Systems, I guess it is.
This is what the World Trade Organization has been working on for a decade at least.
It's like, is it fair competition that Europe...
They don't want any cheaters.
Well, no, because these guys fight for every single sale.
And let me see.
I'm looking for the exact amount.
Anyway, so I guess my point is now that Europe has pumped a couple hundred million into Airbus, it's time that Boeing brings one of them down again.
Yeah.
So I wouldn't be flying Airbus if I were you.
I documented this on some show years and years ago, the actual sale of a $50 million airplane to a big company and how they actually have to do it.
They have keys.
I might have to dispute this because I've seen this happen too.
You tell me what your story is.
Well, my story is that they hand over the plane officially when they have a computer confirmation of the money being sent.
There's all kinds of security based on getting this money from point A to point B so it's in the hands of the company at the time that the plane is officially turned over.
Well, there's a couple of different steps.
First of all, you have to pay a deposit.
Then you pay for certain steps along the assembly line up until the aircraft is what we call green.
So have you ever seen an aircraft right at the end just before it rolls out of the factory?
It's actually green.
It's like this pukish green color, and that's like the primer.
And then you get to do a number of test flights.
Actually, it's not really a primer.
It's my impression that it's just to protect the aluminum shell.
Yeah.
Well, I don't know if it's protected.
You know, American Airlines has no paint on it.
I think it washes off.
No, no, no, no.
It stays underneath.
Hmm.
Anyway, they just call it when the aircraft is green.
And then there's a number of test flights that are done.
So you pay a certain amount of money all along the line.
And then, indeed, there is an exchange of money and keys, and they have special crews that go over, and then they fly these planes back to wherever they're supposed to go.
And I think there's all kinds of regulations if they find something they don't like.
I mean, it's a huge...
I mean, you think you can get a shitty Monday morning car?
Imagine getting an aircraft that was built on Monday morning.
You know, it does happen.
So, I'm always flying in and out of Boeing Field in Washington State.
And I always hear about these guys.
In fact, I've talked to a couple of them.
Oh, yeah, I'm a pilot for Boeing.
I have to fly the 777 over to Japan or do this.
And I'm always thinking...
Can I get a ride on this thing?
I mean, why not?
The thing's empty.
Probably not.
It's probably an insurance issue.
What insurance issue?
Insurance is fucked, John, around the world in general.
In fact, that's the whole problem.
Instead of talking about health care and death panels, why don't we just talk about insurance?
Insurance is supposed to be when disaster strikes.
It's not supposed to be like a layaway plan for your aspirin.
When did that happen?
When did that change?
When did the insurance companies become like a financier for healthcare instead of for an emergency when you really need like a CAT scan or something really huge?
It's the whole system, it blows.
So I can't get a ride on an airplane and you think it's because of insurance?
Totally, it's 100% because of insurance.
I'll look into it.
Okay.
Don't trust me.
There must be a pilot out there, one of these types of pilots listening to this show.
We've got enough listeners.
We almost have somebody in every category, except apparently in grantsmanship.
We normally hear about stuff from everybody, and we have heard nothing from anyone that could get us a grant.
No, of course not, because anyone who knows how to get a grant is too busy getting it right now.
From grants.gov, they're getting their own grants.
They don't want to help us.
There's so much money floating around.
I ran into one called the Bradley Foundation.
It looks like some sort of a right-wing think tank that throws money around.
Well, we would gladly take a grant and then...
I'm wondering if the right-wing think tanks would give us money.
I don't think anyone is going to give us any...
You know, I'm reading this awesome book, which is based on a true story I started reading on the plane called The Informant.
I think it was made into a movie.
Not The Informant.
Hold on a second.
The Informer.
Is it The Informer?
The Informant?
It's about Arthur Daniels Midland.
About that huge scandal they had with price fixing.
Hmm.
What a shocker.
So this was in the late 90s, I guess?
You didn't know about this?
You've never read this book?
No.
I know about it, but I didn't read the book.
It is a page-turner.
So everything in this book, except for the whistleblower's name, who was an executive at Arthur Daniels Midland, is true.
It's from transcripts, 800 hours of interviews, FBI tapes.
Oh, my God.
This really shows you how fucked America really is and how it really works.
How Warren Buffett's son calls up and says, well, this senator needs like a thousand bucks for his...
You know, for his campaign.
And they're like, well, we're already maxed out.
We've already given all we can.
Well, just give him $1,000.
We'll pay the $9,000 fine.
No problem.
And it's just, it's all about, just, it's buying politicians.
And these guys, they literally say, we love our competitors.
We hate the customer.
Because all they were doing was price fixing with this microbe, this germ that makes cattle fatter.
Ah, shit.
Let me grab the book.
Hold on.
You have to take notes when you read these books.
Yeah, the informant Kurt Eichwald and the...
What's the name of this?
Sounds like it'd be a good book on tape.
Actually, I mean, it's a page-turner.
I'm just ripping through it.
I'm almost halfway through.
It's only like 500 pages.
But when you read about how they have this microbe and it makes...
So, you know, they grow this in the lab and I'm looking through the book to find the name of the microbe while we're at it.
And they actually, they stole it from the Japanese firm and then they all, you know, price-fix, but not just price-fix, but also limit the production.
You know, of course, because otherwise the market just starts to work on its own with supply and demand, so they all decide exactly how much they're going to produce, who's going to have what markets.
And of course, this is a fine Chicago company.
Yeah, well, they know how to do business right.
They really do.
So while we're talking about wine and food, we should at least bring up some of the restaurants we've checked out because people always complain that we're not talking enough about food.
But while we're talking about food, we might as well talk about the tomato blight going on.
Well, you want to review a restaurant first or talk about the tomato blight?
Let's do the restaurant first, because I think we're off to a casual start.
We don't want to, like, you know...
What was it?
The last one we had...
We get more letters and people, you're so informed.
I never hear this stuff.
Okay, well, we won't be hearing much then today.
Noodles...
So what was the restaurant we went to?
Noodles Incorporated?
Noodles...
Oh, no, that place.
Yeah, I forgot about it.
That place was actually decent.
No, the other place we went to with Mimi and Jay.
We went to...
It was unmemorable.
I can't even remember the name of it.
Well, you reserved it.
I mean, I could look it up on OpenTable.
You know, that's kind of bothersome when I don't remember the restaurant.
Well, it was memorable for me because I was just like, I'm just looking at your wife going like, now I understand it.
So many things clicked in place for me that night, John.
Because, of course, this was the first time I ever met your wife.
It's like, okay, now I get it.
Now I understand.
She's going to wonder what you're thinking because she listens to the show religiously.
The only thing she's ever paid any attention to that I've ever done.
Well, she told me right off the...
It was the Absinthe Brasserie and Bar on Hayes Street.
Oh, it was Absinthe.
Absinthe.
And the reason why she listens to the show is she said, I had no idea John is such an asshole to other people.
I thought it was only me.
She uses that as her line.
She's like you with these stock lines.
No, man.
She meant it.
She says this to everybody.
It's the truth.
Dude, I was sitting there across from your daughter, and you two are going at it.
You're just back and forth.
I'm looking at Jay going like, wow, you want to learn how to smoke?
She's like, no!
It was entertaining.
Mimi could certainly sit in my spot and do the show.
She's a bigger crackpot than I am.
Well, that may be true, but one of the reasons that I, you know, when we came up with the model for this show was because of these conversations I'd have with her.
And then one day it dawned on me, I said to myself, this is just wasted content.
Why don't we just, I mean, in fact, you and I have the same relationship now.
It's that we get together and we're like really sketchy about actually talking because...
We don't want to blow the show.
We don't want to blow all the good material.
Because people don't realize that there's a lot of people out there, I guess, and I don't think we're the only ones, that actually have content in our conversations that might be of interest to somebody else.
And it's kind of crazy.
It's certainly not interesting to ourselves.
It's kind of crazy not to at least, you know, make it, you know, professionalize it, make it something people can listen to.
But anyway, so the restaurant, Absinthe, which was always, you know, I yelped it, I did everything, and I thought it was going to be better than it was.
I thought it was actually kind of, I didn't think, the drinks were good, the wine list was okay, but the food I thought was just nothing.
The cheese or the meat platter we had as an appetizer, that was kind of okay.
The appetizers were good.
This place is really a bar where you'd get appetizers and then get something to drink.
Yeah, or you'd pick up some slut.
It looks like it's possible.
Yeah.
Maybe.
I had the risotto, which was actually okay.
I don't even know what I had.
That's how unmemorable it was.
I do know we had the escargot, the snails.
Oh yeah, because Jay has never had escargot.
They were bland!
How do you make escargot bland?
There wasn't enough garlic and shallots.
It was like bland escargot.
You know, it's like, what?
I wish I could find the name of this microbe.
It's pissing me off.
Let me get the...
So then we went to this place called Noodle something or other.
It was in Oakland.
Yeah.
Noodle Theory.
Which, of course, is a take on string theory, I presume.
I never thought about it.
That hit me the other night.
I'm like, oh, now I understand why it was called Noodle Theory.
Why else, right?
It's a little place around the corner of a place you wanted to go to that was packed, so we didn't go there.
And I drove past it, and I said, well, that's kind of a cute little place.
And it actually was a cute little place.
The food wasn't spectacular, but it was very edible and dirt cheap.
And the thing that impressed me most, though, and I think people who go out to eat a lot have to also be impressed by something like this.
I asked them when the place was open, and they said, well, it's been open for two years, and I just made my jaw drop.
This place has the look and feel and cleanliness of a place that was open for like a week.
Yeah, it did look pretty good.
And we had that interesting white wine, which, what was that called?
I don't know.
Alright, here it is.
ADM was entering a new era in 1989, creating the bioproducts division.
I'm amazed that you didn't know that.
John, you as the chemist would certainly be into this.
No longer would the company just grind and crush food products.
Instead, it was veering into biotechnology, feeding dextrose from corn to tiny microbes.
Over time, these microbes, or bugs as they were known, converted the sugar into an amino acid called lysine.
L-Y-S-I-N-E. Yeah.
As people in the business like to say, the bugs ate dextros and crapped lysine.
In animal feed, lysine bulked up chickens and pigs, just the product needed by giant food companies like Tyson and Conagra.
So that's kind of the whole thing.
So they basically stole this bug from a Japanese company, and then there's price fixing, and then the feds get involved.
It's fantastic.
You read this book, you're like...
That's corporate America for you, everybody.
Right there.
That's how it works.
Buy off your politicians and screw your customers.
And do what you have to do.
Screw your customers.
That's the way it's always been.
I don't think any of that's new.
Well, this, of course, was it Herbert, Hubert, Hoover?
Was it Hoover who invented the anti-price-fixing laws?
Herbert Hoover?
Herbert Hoover, yeah.
I don't know.
It's possible.
Wait until I finish the book.
I think it was done during the...
I thought it was done during the Roosevelt administration or before then.
I don't know.
I can't believe Hoover would be responsible.
I've got to look into it.
It's just a fascinating book.
The Informant, Kurt Eigenwald.
Eigenwald.
Interesting thing happening over here in Gitmo Nation East, John, that is worth mentioning before we get into the tomatoes.
The Dutch Royal Family sued Associated Press for making pictures available of them to their press clients.
Oh, really?
Yes, and they want to not only forbid AP from making pictures available, but they want a mandatory fine of 25,000 euros each time they put a picture up and make it available for newspapers or magazines or...
Other media to grab.
And we've got this whole sob story about how it affects their lives, the lives of their children.
Oh boy, when I was growing up as a prince, I never felt so safe because people are always watching us.
I'm like, well, welcome to celebrityhood, dude.
Screw that.
They could actually win this.
What's the precedent?
Were these people taking photos?
The precedent is the Dutch royal family rules part of the world.
So yeah, they just don't want pictures of their family published.
Well, now I guess AP knows what it feels like to have people telling them what to do with stuff that should be either fair use or public domain.
It's a fascinating story to see how this is playing out.
And of course...
The suit was filed in Dutch court.
Yeah, here it is.
A fine of €25,000 for each day it refuses to remove the photos from their database.
Can you believe that?
August 28th is the ruling.
My wife and I feel such photos are very damaging to our family life, Willem Alexander said in a letter read by his lawyer.
It causes unacceptable pressure on our children.
Oh, please!
Maybe these guys want to be partying and not kind of anonymously.
Is that possible?
Well, he's known as Prince Pils over here.
Prince Pils?
Pils, P-I-L-S, which is as in pilsner, as in beer.
Oh, like he drinks beer?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, he likes to party.
And his wife, Maxima, is this hot Argentinian babe.
You know, of course they had to do that.
They had to marry the Argentinians because, you know, all that.
There's a lot of stuff.
You know, I think all the Nazis who were hiding out in Holland, they all get sent off to Argentina.
I mean, this goes back, man.
These are all these families who are protecting each other.
This is all bullshit.
Well, we know nothing of such things in the United States.
Let's talk about tomatoes, because this is something pretty serious.
This comes back to, I believe, UG99, which we were talking about a couple weeks ago on this very show, John.
Yeah, something fishy is going on with these tomatoes.
There's a blight in the northeast that seems to have jumped from tomatoes for some unknown reason to potatoes.
Yeah, what's the deal?
Have you studied this?
Have you looked into it?
I've just been reading the articles and it's just, you know, pretty straightforward.
It seems as though, and then of course they have a super tomato that is resistant to this.
Oh, let me guess.
Not by any chance treated with something from...
Well, I haven't actually, I've found it's called a, I haven't, I've actually been looking for the connection between, because apparently this tomato comes out of Cornell, and Cornell has a lot of connections to Monsanto, but I've not seen a direct connection to this resistant tomato, which I'm sure is tasteless.
But the whole thing, you start looking at it, and you can read from that letter that we got from a concerned organic grower up there in that area.
Yeah.
The concern is that, you know, actually, it's almost as though, and by the way, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't do this if they don't really care.
It's almost as though somebody has genetically modified a fungus.
Wait a minute!
Who could it be?
And send it out to kill anything but, you know, to kill these, you know, the hot thing going on are these old-fashioned tomatoes, these heirloom tomatoes, and you see them all over the place.
From the heirloom seeds, right, which are seeds from the 1700s or whatever?
Yeah, and a lot of these are now being overproduced and they're not very good.
I mean, you'd think they'd be better.
But generally speaking, if you get a tomato that's a little different from some other part of the world, it really is tastier.
Or you get some really good tomatoes from Italy that are heirloom.
This is kind of like the swine flu for tomatoes.
The late blight, as it's called, normally doesn't happen until fall and or getting close to...
You've got to have damp, windy weather.
It's got to be kind of nasty.
Now it's happening in summer.
This is new, right?
That's what they say.
What concerns me, I think there's a concerted effort to...
To kind of stamp out some of these organic food trends.
And one of them would be heirloom potatoes.
And there's also been some evidence that they're trying to keep people from growing their own.
In fact, part of this story talks about how Well, probably the problem is these home gardens.
These people are out of control, they don't do the right thing, and then they breathe disease.
There's actual rules that have been put in place now in the United Kingdom about organic farming.
Someone's going to have to come by and approve your backyard.
Yeah.
So here it is.
This is actually an article from March 31st, 2008.
And this is what I think is related to it.
The deadly fungus known as UG99, which, I mean, what kind of name is that?
I mean, isn't that like something straight out of a lab?
Hey, we've got our UG99. It kills wheat?
It has likely spread to Pakistan from Africa.
We talked about this a couple weeks ago.
The deadly fungus is being used by Monsanto and the U.S. government to spread patented GMO seeds, is the theory here, of course.
And it's stem rust.
So it doesn't sound like the exact same thing, but it's got to be a derivative.
It's got to be...
Well, there's a million of these things that gnaw away at good plants.
But anyway, I think there's a concerted effort, and I would put the big egg, even though we have some listeners, ah, you know, you guys are wrong.
I'd put big egg in there.
I would say, I think the grocery food chains that don't like dealing with the fact that people are going to small farmers markets and buying their tomatoes there, or buying anything there for that matter, I think these things are kind of a threat.
Ciao!
You know, I mean, it's just like, you know, what can we do?
Our sales are down, and what are we going to do?
Why are they going to the farmer's market and buying fruit there?
Sometimes, at some farmer's markets, like the one in San Francisco, for example, the fruit's way overpriced, but people still buy it.
But you go to a typical farmer's market, like there's one near me, that has, like, some of the, there's a company, there's a lot of growers out there that just essentially market through farmer's markets, and they'll, if you go to 10 farmer's markets, you'll find the same company selling their fruit, but the stuff's fantastic.
They'll actually deliver right to your door.
They have a website, you sign up, and they'll deliver a package of stuff to your door.
Well, you could do that, but generally, I've never found that to be as good as going to the farmer's market and seeing the fruit of the day and seeing which ones.
Oh, of course.
And holding it and then feeling it.
Of course.
Well, they also have samples of everything.
You don't have that in the store generally.
And if you do, because you wouldn't buy it, you know, you sample like with some of these, I had a, there was some peaches recently at one of our gourmet, you know, ghetto stores, regular store.
You bit into it and it like sucked the juice out of your mouth.
It was dry and mealy.
So if we were truly evil, John, and in fact, if we just were running parts of the world, I mean, of course, what we do is we come up with this genetic seed and these Terminator seeds and all this great stuff that Monsanto makes, and then we release UG99, you know, kind of like swine flu for crops, and then, of course, you get the Bloomberg article I'm looking at right now, August 13th, just last week.
Monsanto Corporation, the world's largest seed maker, plans to charge as much as 42% more For their new genetically modified seeds next year, because of farmers' increased output, now they have Roundup Ready 2 yield soybeans.
Yes, it's Roundup Ready 2.0, ladies and gentlemen.
That'll be $74 an acre, and Monsanto rose $1.57, or 1.9%, to $84.03 on the New York Stock Exchange.
The shares have gained 19% this year.
I mean, come on.
It's so friggin' obvious.
It's so obvious.
Well, it's too bad that there isn't some evidence that they're, like, you know, responsible for some of this negative stuff that's happening to plants.
Well, there's certainly evidence that their Terminator seeds is evidence of that, which, you know, 80,000 farmers have killed themselves over.
Suicide.
Because they've lost everything.
Well, still, it's Indians, but it's a lot.
So...
Anyway, it appears to me as though the heirloom tomato is being targeted.
And they're also, the commercial guys who do normal tomatoes, the normal lousy tomatoes that don't even taste like a tomato, but are used on, like, you know, the hamburgers that you get at Burger King.
You know, because the tomato apparently, you know, has a long shelf life.
It looks kind of like a tomato, even though it's kind of pale.
Ugh.
Against my better judgment, last Sunday after the show, I went out and I couldn't help myself for the first time in 10 months.
I bought a Big Mac meal.
A Big Mac?
Big Mac meal.
A Big Mac meal?
Yeah, so that's the Big Mac.
The Big Mac wasn't poisonous enough for you?
No, I had to get the genetically modified fries, you know, so if they ever jam that flu shot in me.
Just in case.
And a nice chocolate milkshake.
And I ate it, and John, I passed out.
I swear to God, I fucking passed out.
I wasn't tired or anything, I just like went, I just passed out, man.
I was like, oh my God, this thing is, it's putting me off.
John, I've passed out.
No, I think I've passed out from one of these things myself because you eat one of these things and then within an hour you're like so loggy that you literally pass out and you wake up half an hour later.
Loggy, that's a good word.
We've got to reinstate that.
Loggy.
I'm loggy.
According to the...
The Express in the UK, milk, meat, and egg prices could rocket by 20% because of foreign farmers growing more GM crops, experts warned.
UK animal feed, which is made mainly from soya, could quadruple in price within two years if growers in Brazil and Argentina produce more genetically modified soya, which is banned in Europe.
I mean, this is a total takeover of our food.
You know what's annoying to me is that we're going to have to go to Europe to eat.
I bought some heirloom seeds, by the way.
I hate to admit to it.
Where are you going to plant them?
Well, that's just in case.
Oh, I see.
Remember, I've got the plane, so in case something happens, I grab my heirloom seeds.
I'm so out of there.
You're flying low as they're shooting at you.
I can do 50 foot above the deck and they'll never be able to hit me.
I'm becoming a separatist.
I don't know what's happening.
You're becoming a nutcase.
Well, I think I already was.
I think we can still get by.
I think there's still the opportunity to eat well in this country.
But I think, generally speaking, the food supply, even though they brag about how safe it is because you have less people getting food poisoning or whatever, I'm just not convinced of it.
I mean, it's just like you've got tasteless food.
It's genetically modified.
God knows what it's doing to you.
You've got all kinds of weird cancers cropping up.
Oh, yeah.
There's 50 lawsuits implicating Monsanto in cancer lawsuits.
There's all kinds of shit going on.
But yeah, of course.
Doesn't it all tie in, though?
Doesn't it all make sense when you think about it?
We have this horrible hell.
I mean, it's one industry helping another.
You know, you've got the big ag helping out Big Pharma, because of course we're eating crap, so we're getting sick.
Well, by the way, I've got a clip that has to do with Big Pharma.
Okay.
And because it's a record breaker, I'm trying to find another one.
Like, it's possible that they're not going to do very well with this drug, but there's one on there, it starts with an S. Spiriva?
Spiriva?
Yeah, this is the ad.
I think it's remarkable.
It's a very unusual ad because it's a one-minute ad.
I've seen this.
They actually go to the 30-second mark.
Before they get into the disclaimer about how it'll give you nightmares?
It's a record.
It's a new record.
They must be test marketing their ads.
Because we know that it's usually after 15 seconds the disclaimers come in because the disclaimer is actually what makes you want to buy the product.
Yeah, this one apparently hasn't killed anybody yet, so they don't say death may occur.
Here we go.
I'm sorry, you ready?
Go ahead.
Living with COPD. But I try not to let it slow me down.
I go down to the pool for a swim, get out and dance, even play a little hide-and-seek.
I'm breathing better with Spiriva.
Spiriva is the only once-daily inhaled maintenance treatment for both forms of COPD, which includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema.
I take it every day.
It keeps my airways open to help me breathe better all day long.
And it's not a steroid.
Spiriva does not replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms.
Stop taking Spiriva and call your doctor if your breathing suddenly worsens, your throat or tongue swells, you get hives or have vision changes or eye pain.
Tell your doctor if you have glaucoma, problems passing urine or an enlarged prostate as these may worsen with Spiriva.
Also discuss the medicines you take, even eye drops.
Side effects may include dry mouth, constipation and trouble passing urine.
Every day could be a good day to breathe better.
Ask your doctor if Once Daily Spuriva is right for you.
So this is another restless leg syndrome.
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.
Yeah, well it includes emphysema.
Apparently it's a spray.
They always have these inhalers, people that have these lung conditions.
And this is just a new inhaler.
It's a one-shot.
You do it once a day and it apparently takes care of you for the whole day instead of having to blast yourself every few hours like the other stuff used to do.
It doesn't sound safe to me.
She's doing the backstroke in the pool and she's feeling so great.
And this came on the same time.
I wish I'd recorded that.
There's another non-FDA approved drug which makes you larger and feel sexier or something like that.
It's kind of like a Viagra derivative.
And the commercial is just so mint.
The guy's like, the idea of having fun more often, and his wife's sitting right next to him, right?
That sounds great, but let me tell you, the larger thing, I didn't mind that.
It's like, what?
This is like the penis pump.
Come on, this is bullshit.
You know there's no drug that's going to make your dick bigger.
I mean, that's stupid.
Take twice as much.
How did they come up with this stuff?
I think it's a crime that they let a lot of these things...
I remember years ago when it was either the FDA or the FTC or somebody busted Campbell's Soup.
For having a commercial with, you know, a hearty meal or a hearty man or whatever that soup was that they had, where they would show it on the commercial.
You see, it just looked like a bowl of soupy vegetables.
It was just filled.
And it turns out they had dumped a can of soup into a bowl of marbles.
And the marbles lifted all the vegetables to the top, which I thought was genius.
Yeah, of course.
It's great.
And you know what?
Some people might like their soup that way.
So, I mean, you know, I like marbles in my soup.
Oh, wait a minute, John.
John, we've got to panic.
We have a real panic on our hands.
Leading U.S. food groups, Hershey Mars and Krispy Kreme Donuts have warned the Obama administration the country could run out of sugar and jobs could be lost.
This is a major, major problem for everyone in America who's fat.
The food producers, which include Kraft and General Mills, gave the warning in a letter to the Obama administration.
They claim that unless import quotas are increased, there could be a severe shortage of sugar used in chocolate bars, breakfast cereals, cookies, chewing gum, and thousands of other nutritious products.
Well, you know what?
I'm on their side.
And you know why?
The sugar thing is making these guys crazy because what's happened is that they essentially have kind of blocked sugar from coming to the country in favor of high fructose corn syrup.
Oh, of course, which is what Arthur Daniels Midland Corporation makes.
And so these guys are trying, although you mock them, these guys are trying to draw attention to the fact that we need actually sugar because with chocolate in particular...
High fructose corn syrup, if used as the sweetening agent, will not allow the chocolate to set up.
But it also kills you.
It's like bad for you.
Well, besides killing you, but the fact is you can't make a chocolate bar with it because the stuff stays as goo.
Okay, well I feel real bad about that.
I don't eat chocolate.
But to me it seems like this is probably exactly what I'm reading about.
This is political moves where politicians are blocking the sugar imports so that this high fructose corn syrup, which is manufactured in the good old USA in Illinois by one of the biggest ones, Arthur Daniels Midland Corporation.
Right, in a refinery.
Oh yeah, it's nasty.
In a refinery.
Yeah, it's like oil production.
Yeah, they might as well have a pump.
When you drive out to fill your gas tank, have a pump of this stuff, and you can pump a gallon.
Just put it straight into the IV, right into your arteries.
That's what you should really do.
Well, so let me finish my tale, because someone's going to say, well, Adam interrupted you again.
Yeah, I did.
Anyway, so I've noticed a couple of things recently.
They gave Campbell such a bad time, but they still leave these burger companies to advertise showing a really delicious-looking burger I disagree.
No, I disagree.
Because I did examine my Big Mac meal.
I took it home with me, so it had a chance to settle.
So it's got to stink up the apartment.
Oh yeah, totally.
But it did, you know, because of course it's all GM shit.
The tomatoes were nice and tall.
The lettuce was nice and crispy.
The bun was nice and rounded.
It was not a shitty ass looking burger because it's not real food.
It's basically chemicals, which knocked me out, you know, put me in a comatose state.
I think they've gotten beyond that.
The food you eat, you know, when the food you eat actually looks like the way it's advertised, that's a good clue.
That's when you shouldn't be eating it.
Okay, well you and I differ on that one.
Well, only because I just had one and I examined it before I ate it.
I know, but if you took a photo of it, it's not going to look like the photo on the advertisements, I can assure you.
Well, yeah, right.
Like the car in the ad is the same one you get.
But, you know, there's got to be something in there because...
It's like you take a bite and you're like, I need more, I need more, I just gotta eat this whole thing.
I love it, I love it.
It's like pretzels at a bar.
It's very salty and it's got a lot of fat content and it's probably pretty tasty, generally speaking, to anybody.
It was like porn for my stomach.
I don't know.
Nothing you can do about it.
And that stuff's spreading all over the world.
That's kind of the bad news.
I mean, when I saw the first McDonald's show up in the Champs-Élysées in Paris, I knew the French were doomed.
Although apparently France and Germany came out of the recession.
Yeah.
How does that work?
Accounting.
It's EBITDA. They're not really out of any recession.
It's a gap or an EBITDA thing.
I don't know.
So, yeah, they had positive growth.
So I'll be talking with Horowitz about this, but there's a chart that's going around showing that it's not the money supply per se, but it's the amount of actual species, in other words, the coinage and the bills, in the market.
And it just had this huge spike.
The fact that you can't get a loan is ridiculous considering how much money apparently has been shoved into the system on the sly.
So you mean the actual paper in the marketplace?
Yes, in other words, they cranked up the presses.
No kidding.
This is a chart from the St.
Louis Federal Reserve Bank.
I've seen this chart.
Yeah, I've seen a couple of these floating around.
Yeah, it's just like da-da-da-da-da-da.
Whoa!
Yeah, boom, and it flies.
So there is a point where, and I think this is just to kind of bring it back to the discussion du jour, which of course is Obamacare, There is a point where you have to watch out that no matter what the government is providing,
whether it's healthcare or social security, whatever it is, if the money supply is diluted so incredibly because of the amount of paper being printed or digits being put in the spreadsheet, if we get super-duper inflation, well, yeah, then we're going to have to make some tough decisions, as we call it.
I think there's a real valid point there that that's the danger of the government running health care.
Well, you know, I actually have, yeah, I have some thoughts on this extra, about the printing presses going crazy.
You tell.
Well, I'm not necessarily against it.
Mainly because there's no evidence that we're causing inflation.
I think maybe we just need this money.
Because the whole idea of money is a phony thing.
I mean, you value your gold, but gold is just as fake in terms of it's like, why does it make a difference?
Because it's just an exchange thing.
I want to buy something from you.
So you want to sell it to me, I could just exchange my goods and services for your goods and services in a barter sense, but to expedite it, I'll use this representative value, which in this case might be gold, for example.
Yeah, except you can't print up a bunch of gold.
That's kind of the point.
I know, but essentially, you can't print it up.
But in 1849, when they discovered gold, it was essentially the same thing.
It wasn't done by the government, but all of a sudden all this extra paper, as it were, in the form of gold, hit the market to the tune of $3 trillion, which is today's equivalent of $30 trillion.
Sure, sure.
So I agree, but it's no longer 1849.
So a lot of the world's gold is pretty much known.
We know where it's not.
It's not in Britain, seeing as Gordon Brown sold it all at the bottom of the market for like $200 an ounce.
Douche.
Well, I think most of it's in Dubai where it gets turned into chains.
Right.
So, are we going to talk about the healthcare thing this show or the next one?
Because I've got a couple of clips that are kind of interesting.
But let's go over some of these clips I've got.
Well, I guess that's your answer.
Let's do some of it now.
By the way, so this show streaming to you live from the 17th Century Canal House in Gitmo Nation East on Thursday.
We will be doing a show, but I'm not going to risk streaming it live because I will be on pretty much a deserted island using solar energy to power everything.
Because there's 3G on the island, but there's no power where I am.
3G? What does that mean?
It means I probably could upload, but I don't want to risk a stream.
So even during my vacation, we will still bring you a show.
Can I guilt you with that, perhaps?
Well, let's take a look at these clips.
Let's do some real news.
Oh, well, I'm glad you suggested that.
And now, back to real movies.
Play the Kate clip.
Oh, boy.
You mean Kate is eight?
Yeah.
And now we are hearing from him that he had started up a relationship in May with this young woman, Haley Glassman, 22 years old.
Were you shocked at that revelation?
What are you trying to do to me, John?
What is the point of this?
I'll listen to it, but I have little patience for this.
It's not long.
I'll cut this short for you.
I have little patience.
That he started seeing her in May.
You know, I was shocked.
But those things, to be very honest, that's his life.
And they don't affect me directly at this point.
Sounds like it is to me.
Well, it is hurtful.
What?
Okay, so this thing is good.
This is the Today Show.
Yeah, this is real news.
This is the Today Show.
So they're playing...
They have this interview with this woman who is a dingbat.
And it's always important that people know this crap.
So I'm listening to the Sunday morning political news shows.
There's a bunch of them.
Meet the press.
So they're harping.
CNN is devoting all the things going on in the world.
CNN is devoting God knows how long with a bunch of analysis of this.
Including this particular clip.
And then I want you to play the rationale clip.
This is some guy who's a media critic who's explaining why this is so important.
All right, David, what was going on from Meredith Vera's mind?
And why does this warrant time on the Today Show, which is a very fine news Holly, that's a nice, high-road-sounding argument for Sunday morning TV. Listen, the audience, American people, care about these characters.
Now, that's not enough, just that they care about them.
But here's what's going on with Kate Gosselin, at least.
People are judging their own lives.
They're judging themselves as parents.
They're judging themselves as wives.
They're judging themselves as families against her.
And that's really important.
Look, she is the most talked about, the most discussed representation or image of motherhood on American television.
Think back to the 50s with Barbara Billingsley from Leave it to Beaver and all those.
So he basically just explained what reality television is all about.
Of course it's about looking at yourself in the mirror.
That's why it's called reality television.
I mean, duh.
But it's just as fake as Barbara Billingsley.
That's what he doesn't say.
Of course it's fake.
It's all put into scene.
It's all set up.
And they're probably not even separated.
Well, this is what bothers me the most.
It's just like, with a drama or sitcom, like Leave It to Beaver.
Unscripted drama.
Or something like that.
At least you can pull back from it.
And you know it's a scripted thing.
And you know this is bull.
Nobody lives like this.
And you don't expect to be comparing yourself on any real basis.
When you're making it look as though it's real and it's something to compare yourself to, when it's still the same fake bullshit, I mean this is like, you know, that's why Burnett always insists on calling it unscripted drama.
Yeah.
Because it wasn't scripted, but it was a drama.
It was fake.
And to start to come up with this kind of rationale like this guy did, I find it extremely offensive.
Well, John, this is...
Yes, of course.
Television is offensive.
And when I was growing up, when I was six or seven years old, doctors recommended, and my mom would not let me watch more than one hour of television a week because it would rot your brain.
Do you remember those days?
Yeah.
You know, it was like, it was bad.
Yeah, it would rot your brain.
That was the old theory.
Yeah, it would rot your brain.
And apparently it's true.
It's true.
I will start watching John and Kate Makes Eight when Kate says this.
Because it will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government.
That I will watch.
And by the way, C-SPAN is real reality television and is highly entertaining and I watch it all day long.
I love it.
I absolutely love it.
A lot of people would disagree with the entertainment value.
It's so entertaining.
It's just like, huh?
I can't believe this is happening.
Yeah, some of the stuff.
Well, yeah, I actually listen to C-SPAN too much.
I think it rots your brain too, but in kind of a different way.
So meanwhile, I got another clip here that's kind of funny.
The clip you're going to play is Times Reporter after I set it up.
So apparently some guy died in Berkeley who used to chronicle a street life.
And they put together a calendar of all these people who used to live out in the street or still do.
And they're basically, you know, bums.
Not homeless.
They're bums.
There's a difference.
Sorry.
And this guy, this is just a small clip from the longer piece, but it just cracked me up when I heard what he used to do for a living.
Mark Hawthorne on the streets for more than 30 years was once a reporter for the New York Times.
You know, I was normal for 35 years and then I got bored.
For Hawthorne and others who live outdoors with all their possessions, being in the calendar was a point of pride.
So, I got bored.
So, New York Times.
I just want to remind two or three New York Times people that listen to the show that don't let this happen to you.
I just got the biggest kick out of this guy.
He used to be a reporter for the New York Times.
The guy's like...
I got bored.
And he's like pushing a cart.
I got bored.
He got bored?
Yeah, he just got bored.
I get it.
So, uh...
You got anything else?
Well, I want to go through the contributors because we have to...
We had to complain bitterly in the last show about our lack of...
Before you do that, let me get into my story of the week, okay?
Because this is...
I don't know if you saw this.
I think someone was carried live on the news.
They had this guy and he was like, there was a standoff out in Los Angeles outside the federal building.
He was in his Volkswagen Beetle.
And first they tear gassed him, then they tased him to get him out because he had threatened to blow up the White House.
From Los Angeles?
Yeah, did you see any of that?
Was he going to blow it up from Los Angeles?
How was that going to work?
Well, so of course that's the cover, right?
The guy's name is Joseph Moshe.
No, I don't have any of this.
I accept the interruption.
Yeah.
His full name is Joseph Mashibar.
He's actually one of Israel's top bioscientists.
So this is the guy who the real news media says, oh, he was trying to blow up the White House.
It's like a serious...
He's probably into bioweaponry, actually.
Now, this falls on the heels of all these...
We haven't gotten into this story, which we'll do in the next few weeks, I'm sure, which is all these microbiologists that are disappearing and getting killed.
Well, so this...
It may have something to do with that, because apparently what this guy was doing, he was surveying the clinics that are happening out there in L.A. Have you heard about this?
The Remote Area Medical Volunteer Corporation?
Yeah, in fact, this started in the Deep South, actually.
This was a trend.
They discovered in Appalachia.
I guess it's not the Deep South, but in Appalachia, I think, that they could do these clinics and people would come from all over the place because they couldn't get any health care any other way.
And so now it's become kind of a trend to pop up here and there.
Well, I believe this is the first time ever in the United States that these guys have done this.
No.
I'm looking at Reuters.
It marks the first time in RAM, which is what they call it, Remote Area Medical Volunteer Corporation, in their 25 years that has gone to a major U.S. metropolitan area.
Okay, you're right.
So a major U.S. metropolitan area, so perhaps it was happening in the sticks.
Sticks.
I understand that what is happening and the reason why this all of a sudden is taking place is that they're actually testing the swine flu vaccine on some of these people.
And this guy, this microbiologist, he was auditing or observing what was going on and he caught on to what they were doing and that's why...
Of course, the guy will suicide himself.
That's why they're like, oh, this guy's trying to blow up the White House.
He's threatening.
And so he was trying to get basically to the Israeli embassy, which is right around the corner from the federal building.
But he didn't make it.
And so they nailed him.
It sounds like a movie.
It sounds like a cheap movie.
Yeah, but this shit, I think I have to believe it, John.
I mean, this is...
Well, did he get the word out that that's what he was doing?
Did he talk to somebody on the phone or he sent some documents someplace?
Yeah, well, you know about this letter that was sent from...
Oh, shit.
What is that fucking webpage with a Lucky 7 on it?
The senior neurologist who sent this letter about...
The Guillain-Barre syndrome and that 25 people have already died from the vaccination and so they're trying to rile up some attention.
Do you think it's from the adjuvants?
Even though our friends that do all these virology shows say that we're two boneheads full of crap?
We weren't going to talk about those guys.
I'm just saying.
I didn't say who they were.
I'm just saying they're out there.
Those guys are jabronis.
Yeah, well, there's a lot of jabronis out there.
Anyway, finish this story.
It's quite interesting.
Yeah, so this is from the Daily Mail, so of course, take it to...
Take it with whatever you want.
A warning that the new swine flu jab is linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter.
The letter from the Health Protection Agency, the official body that oversees public health, has been leaked to the mail on Sunday leading to demands to know why the information has not been given to the public before the vaccination of millions of people, including children, begins.
This is interesting, by the way.
I want to interrupt you because I live, well, they're not in town right now.
I live next door to two neurologists.
I am going to, when they get back into town, I'm going to discuss this in detail with them.
I'll record some clips.
Well, the letter was sent to about 600 neurologists on July 29th, and the letter says they must be alert for an increase in the brain disorder known as Guillain-Barre syndrome, GBS, which could be triggered by the adjuvants in the vaccine.
Duh!
Duh!
I mean, you could get this news right here.
So let's get back to this poor guy.
How did he meet his untimely death?
Well, he's not dead yet.
Oh.
No, he's not dead.
But they took him away.
Oh, well, he's dead then.
He'll commit suicide in the prison.
Yeah, he will be dead.
But it's interesting to see that they...
They put him in Supermax in Colorado, and you'll never hear from him again.
No, you'll never hear from him.
But it's just interesting to see the headline.
Let me get you the link to the story.
Dramatic moment, man who's...
Dramatic moment.
Man who threatened to blow up the White House is tasered by police after an eight-hour standoff.
And this is this poor guy just trying to get to the Israeli embassy because he saw totally what they were doing at the, I guess it was the Civic Center or something in Los Angeles.
I don't know.
Look at this.
You've got to look at these pictures.
It's amazing.
They literally treat him like he was going to blow up the White House, but this is bullshit.
The guy's in Los Angeles.
Not exactly where the White House is.
In fact, you couldn't be much further from the White House.
They've got robotic...
They got like tanks and shit out there for this guy.
They got tanks.
Look at it, look at it.
They're gassing the crap out of this guy.
They got him blocked in.
I feel sorry for the cars next to him.
So he's a biomedical expert.
So why do they have to taser him?
So he can't talk.
So all these cameras, the world media is looking at the guy and they don't want him to talk.
So they taser him.
This tasering is out of control too, John.
I mean, they taser you for anything these days.
Yeah, I know.
We blogged about the fact that a lot of people were very concerned about over-tasering the public, including old women.
Well, they deserve it.
Old bags.
Here's this guy's bio.
This guy's a serious dude.
So this is Moshi Bar Joseph.
Yeah, Joseph.
So, of course, they only call him Joseph Moshi in the story.
Looks like his first name is Moshi, if you ask me.
It could be.
Probably harder to look him up by confusing his name.
But I thought this was pretty interesting.
So again, the story goes that he was auditing and observing the Remote Area Medical Volunteer Corporation who all of a sudden are conducting a clinic, a quote, clinic, in the United States.
Hey, if anyone says come down to the clinic, don't go!
Yeah, that would make sense.
Yeah, so he says...
Put together a clinic and use it as a test.
Of course!
It's a perfect place.
We've always tested it on the public.
I mean, they've tested LSD on the public.
They've sprayed weird toxins in subway systems to see what happens.
The military is essentially a test tube for all kinds of weird stuff.
Oh, yeah.
We feel so sorry for these guys.
And nobody seems to really care.
And that's another thing I would have to say that...
All these suicides we're seeing of military men, predominantly men I believe.
I don't think there's many women in the military who are committing suicide.
I mean, there's like 40 a month.
Now...
Is it really suicide?
Is it maybe some shit that's been tested on them and they just say, oh, that was a suicide?
Could it be maybe they're working for Blackwater slash Z and they want to blow the whistle and they're getting killed?
I mean, come on.
It can't all just be everyone's going crazy.
I don't know.
Somebody, that'll eventually, I mean, you have to, I don't know, I have no idea.
I mean, it's hard to tell.
It seems like a high number.
It's a little higher than other events.
So anyway, that's the kind of stuff we cover on the show.
Now, let's talk about some people.
I'm saying that's the lead into mentioning people who have contributed over the last week, especially after the miserable few early days of the week.
Not bad, huh?
It's okay now.
We're back to normal.
But, you know, we didn't get any nights.
But we do have a couple of new people that are kind of, you know, a lot of people are doing the night.
The layaway program?
Yep, good.
John Treanor, Wilmington, Delaware is one of them.
They just do their own accounting.
He's in for 50 this week.
Then we got some international.
For the first time in at least a month, we got a whole bunch of international contributors.
Oh, nice.
So we must have done something in the last show, although I think it was mostly about...
It was all about Vivek, right?
Yeah, I don't know why the international guys are interested in that.
Jan Willikens, or Jan...
He must be Dutch.
He sounds Dutch.
He's from Spanga, Sweden.
Our first Swedish contributor, $50.
Andrew Harms...
From Great Ben Kansas gave us 51 for some reason.
Curiously, at least one person this week gave us 49 because he didn't obviously want his name mentioned.
Probably a Democrat.
Don't talk about me, man.
I'll give you 49 bucks.
Just don't talk about me.
I don't want my name on the show.
You can have 49.95.
Then we got Tom Diggle who gave us 70 and he's from Maghole, Merseyside, UK. All right.
Merseyside, in the house.
Yeah.
John Matthews, who gave us 50 before he's on another plan, he wanted to say that he's not from parts unknown.
He's an Australian living in North Carolina.
But no address comes up on him, which is interesting.
It must mean something.
And then we have a Belgian guy.
It's L-E-P-E-R, Leper, Belgium.
I don't know.
Leper?
How do you pronounce it?
I have no idea.
L-E-P-U-R? E-R. Leper.
You think so?
Pretty sure.
He gave us $77.70, which matches, and some other people gave us $7.77.
I think we mentioned, I'm not sure what that means, but Samuel van der Plank.
Van der Plank.
Van der Plank.
Then we got, we did get a Netherlands, we got Bart, and this is Grootkerk.
Grootkerk.
Big church.
Big church.
You know in the Netherlands, when Napoleon took over, everyone had to register.
And of course the Dutch, as the Dutch are, they were like, fuck that guy.
We're just going to come up with some phony names.
So you have the craziest names.
So it's all like Janssen is...
John's son.
You know, so they just made up some shit.
And there's some really, really weird names.
So to say, you know, Chrotkerk, which would be big church, so someone lived near the big church, or maybe he rang the bell in the big church.
But there's some pretty funky ones, like, you know, Flat Ass, Stuff like that.
Yeah, that's some really funny names.
I should do a whole funny name show.
Funny and Napoleon-inspired names.
We should do that.
You're right, the Dutch have the weirdest names.
Some of them are just like, what is that?
It's hard to believe a family went back that far with that name.
Or Neutgedacht, which is never thought it would be.
You know, just crazy, crazy names.
Then we got, and the pronunciation slightly eludes me, but I think it's Mikoya Lachinski, M-I-C-O-L-A-J Lachinski, L-A-C-Z-Y-N-S-K-I from Warsaw, who gave us $146.31, which is obviously a reference to $146.31.
No, that's, wait a minute, that's got to be a house resolution.
Maybe, but he's in Warsaw.
So?
That's true.
How about the guy who...
Alexander Cody Kietka, who gave us $100, and I'm thinking, where's he from?
What do you think?
What's his name again?
Alexander Cody Kietka.
It's K-I-E-T-Y-K-A. Oh, he's from Austin.
He's from St.
James, New York.
Yeah, I told you.
So obvious to me.
I knew it would be something like that.
Chris Johnson, Edmonds, Washington, $75.
Here's another interesting one.
Oliver Junga, J-U-N-G-E, from Berlin.
Johnny Green is also re-contributing.
He's going to build up for the $1,000.
Lars Sorensen from Haslev, Denmark.
It's an amazing group this week.
Yeah, it's a great group.
David Roma's in from Calgary, $120.
That was a big deal.
John Tirada, which I think we...
Did last week from Pasadena and Adam Probola from Bensonville, Illinois.
I want to thank everybody for contributing and anyone who wants to get in on these.
We need every week to get all these people.
You're forgetting one of the most important ones, which was Nikolaj Lakzinski, who donated $146.31.
Oh, you just mentioned him.
But you forgot to mention, he gave us the clue and I guessed it.
Remember that email thread?
He said, that equals 421.95 Polish Zloty.
Oh, right, right.
He did send us a note.
And he said, the reason I gave you this amount is because I'll be coming to New York in November to run the marathon, so do you know why my donation is $146.31?
Of course, he said, well, that's obvious because the marathon is 42.195 kilometers.
And I was right.
Yeah, anyone could guess that.
Except you.
Yeah, I would have normally done the Zolotti's calculation in my head, realized it's exactly the same as some marathon reference, and boom.
But they keep changing the exchange rate, so these calculations don't work out for me.
Anyway, if anybody wants to help us, we'd appreciate it.
NoagendaShow.com.
NoagendaShow.com.
There should be some links there.
and also dvorak.org slash na.
We tend to get nothing after our Sunday show.
It's kind of distressing, and then I have to really beg for money horribly on Thursdays, and I'm trying to avoid.
I'm hoping we get a consistent.
I mean, people have to realize that this is a couple hours a week, three hours a week that they're getting good information.
They're finding out cool stuff.
There's something to talk about over the cocktail hour, and we don't want to get sponsors because the show would be ruined, and so we need your help.
And I'd like to take a little bit of our kitty there, John.
I'd like to make it available for anyone who lives in the Washington, D.C. area or is going to be in the D.C. area this week because on the 19th, the 20th, and the 21st, there is an international swine flu conference Which takes place at the Hyatt Regency.
That's on Capitol Hill.
And I'm looking for it.
I'm sure it's not cheap.
It's, yeah, 100...
Wait.
What is the full payment?
It is conference plus two workshops.
$2,785.
$2,785.
And I think it would be well worth it if someone wants to register to go and report back.
I have the...
Well, we should also ask if anybody's actually going to it already.
Well, let me just tell you what the...
Because I have the PDF here, John, of what's going to go on at this particular swine flu conference.
This is the International Swine Flu Conference.
So there's the breakout sessions.
Breakout session number one, Mass Fatality Management Planning.
Which helps you develop and maintain plans, procedures, programs, and systems, activate fatality management operations, conduct morgue operations, and conduct final disposition.
Then we have breakout session number two, psychological issues, the public's distress of exposure and safety, a breakdown of public services and utilities, and unwillingness to follow government orders.
Then we have breakout session number three, Business Continuity Planning.
Breakout session four, Continuity of Operations and Continuity of Government Planning.
When the H1N1 flu pandemic unfolds in two or three successive waves in the calendar year, how do we keep government rolling?
And of course, we have breakout session number five, which is emergency management services.
It just goes on and on.
Yeah, we need the binder.
Yeah, that would be worth it.
That would be well worth it.
But, you know, maybe just get some video.
And I think we should, you know, we can transfer the money to your PayPal account.
Please, someone volunteer if you're not already going.
I would really like to know about this because this, I mean, when I see conducting morgue operations and fatality management tactical operations, you know, you got to think someone's planning something.
Yeah, we need the binder.
There's a binder with all the good stuff in it.
Yes.
With schematics.
Yeah, send some email to us and we'll vet somebody to go to the thing.
And if you are going already, and I'm sure there's somebody, let us know and then we'll talk.
I think it'll be well worth the investment for us, John, to send someone.
By the way, if you work in public health, military, law enforcement, or academia, it's only $1,975.
Now, that's the conference plus two workshops.
So you can only choose two, and of course, the top of my list would be the mass fatality management planning.
That's the one I want you to go to.
Topics include delivery of vaccine and antiviral medication.
The world is sick.
So we'll continue this on Thursday.
Yeah, I got some Sibelia stuff I want to talk about.
Oh, good.
Coming to you from the 17th Century Canal House in Gitmo Nation, East Amsterdam, the Netherlands, I'm Adam Curry.
And from the burning, raging inferno of Northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak.
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