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	Hey, you want a kidney?
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It is Thursday, July 30th, 2009.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation Audio Publication, Episode 117.
	This is no agenda.
	Coming to you from the minimum security containment cell known as the Crackpot Command Center in the undisclosed loft location under threat of eminent domain in Gitmo Nation West.
	That's San Francisco, California.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from Silicon Valley North, where it's garbage pickup day.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's Crackpot and Buzzkill!
	In the morning!
	See how soft it was?
	I couldn't get to the fader in time.
	Sorry.
	That's okay.
	I'll fix it in post.
	No you won't.
	Yes, that one I will fix in post.
	Hey John, how you doing?
	Okay.
	Yeah, good.
	A little bit of equipment failure here today, but we'll live.
	Yeah, your MIDI controller blew up.
	Yeah, so my setup is so perfect, man.
	This little fader fox, which I have to say has been through so many TSA checks that every single time I open up my suitcase, it's like, okay, what knob is busted now?
	It's got scotch tape all over it.
	Holding the battery pack together, and now it just finally no longer communicates with the MIDI interface, so I have to do faders by hand.
	I'll survive.
	So can you get another one?
	Yeah, from Germany.
	I have to order it.
	Do they still make them?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Faderfox.de.
	They should be giving them to you for free with all that publicity.
	Yeah, they should.
	Well, we have some money so I can buy a new one.
	It's no problem.
	It's just the hassle of waiting because I won't have it before Sunday.
	And it just sucks because then I can't do levels.
	I can't do my levels.
	So I got you some clips this week.
	Yeah, I noticed.
	Some?
	Just a few, John?
	Really?
	So there's one that maybe we should just play at the front of the show, because it's kind of entertaining, but it's making me wonder exactly how much the government's getting involved in our media.
	the and this is a clip from a 1933 movie Gold Diggers of 1933 to be specific and I want you to play this the clip's about I think it's about 45-50 seconds it's a little long but play it because I think it's interesting You can see where the propaganda has been slipped in.
	Just listen to this clip.
	It's Dick Powell.
	Say, have you got something with a kind of a march effect, march rhythm to it?
	Yes, I have.
	I have something about a forgotten man, but I don't have any words to it yet.
	Well, play it.
	Play it.
	I tell you, I just got the idea for it last night.
	It was down on Times Square watching those men in the bread line.
	Standing there in the rain waiting for coffee and donuts.
	Men out of a job around the soup kitchen.
	Stop!
	Go on.
	That's it.
	That's what this show's about.
	The Depression.
	Men marching.
	Marching in the rain.
	Donuts and colors.
	Men marching.
	Marching. Jobs. Jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs.
	Ah, you got me.
	I was all ready to fire it off.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs.
	You got me.
	That was a good one.
	Well, of course the media has been infiltrated, indoctrinated, and owned by big business and the government for years.
	This was from what, 1950s, you said?
	1933.
	Have you seen the most recent Harry and Louise healthcare advertisements, John?
	No, I have not seen any Harry and Louise healthcare ad.
	This is a lovely little piece, which I call it on C-SPAN. As you know, we have to watch lots and lots of C-SPAN. Yes, but by the way, we should be getting huge donations for this torture.
	Yeah, we really should.
	Here's the setup from the C-SPAN host.
	It's actually pretty good.
	All the Harry and Louise ads, and what we thought we would do is show you the evolution of these ads, including the most recent one, a spinoff of those ads, which was released this past Thursday.
	Okay, so first you're going to get a pro...
	Well, listen to it, because basically...
	Before you play it, can you give us a little background on these ads?
	Because I've never seen any of them.
	These are the slew of health care ads that are basically promoting the Obama health care bill.
	And so first we get, I think it's like, for some reason it's an anti-ad.
	Well, you'll follow along and I'll tell you what you're actually seeing on screen.
	By the Democratic National Committee.
	Here's what they look like.
	Of course, they're all from the Democratic National Committee.
	So first they show a little bit of an anti-healthcare ad, and then they start responding to it.
	So this is somewhere in the future.
	It was covered under an old plan.
	Oh yeah, that was a good one, wasn't it?
	Things are changing, and not all for the better.
	The government may force us to pick from a few healthcare plans designed by government bureaucrats.
	Having choices we don't like is no choice at all.
	If they choose, we lose.
	For reforms that protect what we have, call toll-free.
	Know the facts.
	If we let the government choose, we lose.
	Right, so first they set it up with a little piece from the Coalition for Health Insurance Choices in the Health Insurance Association of America, and now they start hammering against it in the same ad.
	All today.
	You've probably seen a yuppie couple named Harry and Louise on TV recently questioning the president's health care plan.
	Well, I thought I'd bring you up to date.
	You gotta know, this guy is standing in a graveyard.
	Harry lost his job and also his insurance.
	Louise owned a small, struggling company that couldn't afford group insurance, so she'd always depended on Harry's policy.
	Unfortunately, she had a pre-existing condition that prevented her from obtaining new coverage.
	It's true, Louise should have gone into the hospital earlier, but she didn't want to eat into their savings.
	Eventually, she and Harry gave up their country club memberships and sold their expensive foreign car, but by then, it was too late.
	And now that big reveal, he's in the graveyard.
	Very nice service.
	Harry doesn't get out here much.
	He got a job making commercials in another state.
	His new company doesn't have an insurance plan, and after paying off Louise's hospital bills, he can't afford one.
	Sad story.
	The insurance companies say we can fix things using the same system that's always been there.
	That's what they told Teddy Roosevelt when he proposed a national plan almost a hundred years ago.
	I guess they're still working on it.
	Hey, by the way, if you see Harry, tell him to hang in there.
	The president's plan is just around the corner.
	So, and this goes on.
	There's more and more.
	You want to hear one more?
	Yeah, these are good.
	So these are a couple guys playing basketball.
	He shoots, he scores, he floats!
	Louise, Pat was just telling me his state has community rating.
	Everyone pays the same rate, no matter their age, even if they smoke or whatever.
	Does it work?
	My health insurance went from $1,200 to $3,200 a year.
	With a double?
	Yeah, thousands dropped their insurance.
	I mean, we actually have fewer covered now than before.
	Congress can do better than that.
	If we send them that message.
	To send Congress a message on flat community...
	Right, so again they set it up with the Health Insurance Association from America and then they come in with their own message.
	Call today.
	You said universal healthcare was too complicated, Louise.
	So now they've got like a spin-off of these two in bed and they're in traction.
	They've got bandages all over their head and they're completely messed up.
	It's your job so we'd always be covered.
	You said, what do we do when the government runs out of money?
	Well, who's out of money now, Harry?
	There's got to be a better way.
	The guy rolls out of bed.
	There is a better way.
	Tell Congress you want what they already have, the security of affordable universal health care.
	And I gotta tell you that the president has been...
	David Wilhelm, chair of the Democratic National...
	Oh gosh, this chair of the Democratic National Committee, what a douche.
	Anyway, the president's been sending messages almost non-stop.
	Of course, I'm on his list.
	Yeah, I'm not on his list.
	Well, I got another email from him, you know, another dear friend.
	Why can't I be a citizen?
	I'm not his friend, okay?
	I'm not your friend.
	I'm just not.
	You know, I am your boss.
	You never met the guy.
	Why doesn't he just say, dear boss?
	I would feel a lot better.
	Am I not his boss, technically?
	One of his many bosses was $300 million?
	Yeah, right.
	Yeah, sure.
	Dear friend, if you're like most Americans, there's nothing more important to you about health care than peace of mind.
	By Stuart Smalley.
	Given the status quo, that's understandable.
	The current system often denies insurance due to pre-existing conditions, charges steep out-of-pocket fees, and sometimes it isn't there at all if you become seriously ill.
	And then he goes into this whole thing...
	Okay, time to fix our unsustainable insurance system.
	Create a new foundation for health care security.
	Wow, that sounds like homeland security.
	This means guaranteeing your health...
	Is that what they say?
	Health land security?
	No, no.
	Your health care security.
	This is interesting.
	It's a twist on words, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that doesn't sound good.
	It's time to fix our unsustainable...
	You will do what we say.
	Open your mouth.
	You will obey.
	It's time to fix our unsustainable insurance system, create a new foundation for health care security.
	This means guaranteeing your health care security and stability with eight basic consumer protections.
	So here they come.
	No discrimination for pre-existing conditions.
	No exorbitant out-of-pocket expenses.
	Deductible or co-pays.
	No cost sharing for preventive care.
	No dropping of coverage if you become seriously ill.
	No gender discrimination.
	No annual or lifetime caps on coverage.
	Extended coverage for young adults.
	And guaranteed insurance renewal so long as premiums are paid.
	And, uh...
	I just found it interesting that these messages keep on coming from my friend in the White House.
	Well, ByteLaw just sent me a little note that's kind of interesting.
	It says the Democratic National Committee group is significantly expanding a health care ad buy.
	I guess they're the ones paying for all this crap.
	That Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Democrat from Nevada, last week called a waste of money.
	Hmm.
	And what's weird about that, they would think it's a waste of money when, in fact, this is exactly the way you want to go about this.
	What do you mean?
	Because you want to promote the heck out of it to the public so you don't have people out there grousing.
	And of course the Republicans, so it surprises me that Reid would do that.
	But the Republicans have jumped all over, you know, they're starting to dissect the House bill.
	And the one they've come up with that's the most interesting, which I have a couple clips here, are the one where apparently there's some provision for putting in For some government agent to come around and ask you how you want to die.
	Oh yeah, this is the living will thing, right?
	Yeah, you want to play the clip that has...
	Here he was talking about the health care plan after being asked a question by a wary caller at an ARP meeting today.
	I have been told there is a clause in there that everyone that's Medicare age will be visited and told to decide how they wish to die.
	This bothers me greatly, and I'd like you to promise me that this is not in this bill.
	He will not promise that it's not in the bill because it is.
	It is in the bill.
	We read it ourselves.
	Listen to Obama and not answer the question.
	I guarantee you, first of all, we just don't have enough government workers to talk to everybody.
	No, that's what ACORN is for.
	To find out how they want to die.
	die.
	I think that the only thing that may have been proposed in some of the bills, and I actually think this is a good thing, is that it makes it easier for people to fill out a living will.
	So, no, no, we won't come around.
	We'll force you to tell us.
	You'll have to send it in.
	We'll have a website for it, I'm sure.
	Yeah, livingwill.gov.
	Now, the Republicans are having a good time with this.
	You have to listen to this next clip, which is the Republican from North Carolina, a congressman who is fairly long in age, named Virginia Fox.
	Play this clip.
	Republicans have a better solution that won't put the government in charge of people's health care, that will make sure we bring down the cost of health care for all Americans, and that ensures affordable access for all Americans, and is pro-life because it will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government.
	Awesome.
	Being put to death.
	Well, I do have to say, though, there is some merit to...
	And I've been a part of socialized medicine in the United Kingdom, socialized medicine in the Netherlands.
	At a certain point, how long, if it is socialized medicine, and this is the pro and the con of it, right?
	Sure, everyone deserves to have health care.
	God, this sounds so much like Atlas Shrugged.
	It's amazing.
	Oh, please.
	No, no, no.
	I'm sorry.
	It really does.
	At a certain point, you know, where do you say, okay, we're going to focus the money towards keeping this person alive on life support and, you know, hung in, strung into machines versus, you know, someone who has their entire life before them and need maybe a kidney transplant.
	I'm just trying to balance it out.
	And in these socialized medicine systems, they do have a cutoff point.
	It's just like...
	Yeah, no, I know in England they supposedly just want people to drop dead.
	Well, it's not...
	Quite that bad.
	I mean, they want everyone to drop dead because if you need an emergency procedure, it's like a two-month waiting list.
	I mean, it's completely messed up, their entire healthcare system.
	Yeah, but in England, you can hire a doctor to do it.
	Yeah, you can do it privately.
	Yeah, so what's wrong with that?
	No, there's nothing wrong with hiring privately.
	It's just the national healthcare system, the NHS, they do have certain, I don't know what they are, but they do have certain cutoff points.
	It's just like, I'm sorry.
	No life for you!
	No service for you!
	And then it's just over.
	So you have to accept that.
	If you're going to accept a national health care plan, you have to accept that that's a part of it.
	That makes total sense to me, and I don't think anyone can really argue the fairness of it.
	We all have to die at a certain point.
	Well, you know, if Obama doesn't do anything else, he's actually going to get some health care system.
	And no matter how much they fight it, I think it's over.
	I think the Republicans are on the wrong side of the debate, and it's just over because it is ridiculous.
	Even though they had it, one of the guys came up, I had the clip, but it was actually turned out to be kind of boring and specious.
	But one of the congressmen came out, you know, in Congress, in the House, they have these one minute, like the one minute period where they make an announcement.
	We will now listen to one minute speeches.
	And so one guy after another comes up with some, you know.
	What can you do in one minute?
	Well, apparently quite a bit.
	You can do a whole ad.
	Okay.
	Do you have one of those one-minute ads?
	No, I'm just saying.
	I mean, most ads on the TV are one minute, and they're pretty tight.
	And these guys run it.
	They give them a few seconds one way there.
	But there's basically a quick little...
	They want to make a comment.
	And then this guy shows that that 44 million uninsured is a bogus figure.
	But, you know, some of the way he presented it was a little dubious.
	Right, because they're saying that 20 million are illegal aliens, and they have all these different figures.
	Yeah, of course.
	So the point is, though, is that some system has to be...
	Because these guys are getting free health care anyway.
	And the fact that prisoners are getting...
	Somebody sent me an interesting thing.
	In California, this is a good number.
	I don't have a clip for it.
	It's just a good number.
	In California, we spent $800 million for health care.
	For inmates.
	For ex-cons.
	Ex-cons.
	For ex-cons.
	Wow.
	That gives COBRA a whole new meaning.
	So, I mean, it just says, I mean, they're spending $800 million because they don't want the ex-cons.
	I don't know what the thinking is, but we spend almost a billion in health care for ex-cons in the state of California.
	So, I mean, this is ridiculous.
	Everybody gets health care by people who are normal working people.
	The guys in the office, unless their company has it, but then if they get laid off in a situation like we have today, where there's 15% unemployment in California at least, what do they do then if they catch something and they have to go in for a procedure?
	I mean, it's just ridiculous.
	Well, so basically what you're saying is you believe that some form of health care bill will pass.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Because they're really putting the pedal to the metal on this thing.
	And that's why it makes me wonder what Harry Reid's up to.
	Because that's...
	First thing, if I was Obama's boys, I'd get that guy out.
	He shouldn't be questioning.
	Hey man, you're not on the program.
	We need to break your pinky like the rest of them so you can be a part of our show.
	You know, he's not playing along.
	I did find it interesting, and I think it was the same bite law you get information from from time to time.
	He sent an email to the president about, unrelated, about Second Amendment rights, and he received an actual personalized email.
	He got a Dear John Steck.
	Yeah.
	And it's a whole different reply to address.
	It's noreply-whpc at whitehouse.gov.
	That's the White House presidential correspondence.
	So there is a way to get...
	Well, noreply, of course, sends it into a big bucket.
	Yeah, of course.
	But still, to get a personalized email back, there is a way, apparently, to get a little bit deeper into the system.
	Yeah, maybe if you're a lawyer.
	That's right.
	Vite law, duh.
	It's all about the lawyers.
	Yeah, that does kind of make sense, doesn't it?
	Okay, you want to do some more of these clips?
	Because I've got plenty of other stuff to talk about.
	Well, what else is on the list there?
	Well, on the clip list?
	Yeah, on the clip list.
	Okay, on the clip list.
	By the way, just a quick one on a little ditty on the health care reform.
	According to the United Kingdom, to the Daily Mail of the United Kingdom, I'm sorry.
	A Botox tax could be introduced for the sleeping health care reforms demanded by President Barack Obama.
	Patients seeking cosmetic surgery including breast implants, liposuction, and nose jobs could be forced to pay an extra 10% on their bill.
	Well, I think the liposuction, nose jobs, and breast implants, they should get a tax credit.
	I think you should get a bonus.
	Less ugly people.
	Hot-looking chicks.
	Exactly.
	A tax credit.
	It's good for the national...
	Brings the national...
	Brings the national...
	Yes, exactly.
	All right, I've got...
	We might want to play Chris Matthews who rants about that crazy provision.
	I never saw him go off on something like this.
	Well, that's how hot it's getting.
	Lois Romano, Jonathan Martin, Lois, your thoughts about this debate?
	About the living will provision, right?
	Yeah.
	Provision in the energy and commerce version of the health care bill in the Energy and Commerce Committee.
	Wait a minute.
	The energy portion of the health care bill?
	What am I missing here?
	These bills, they go to committee and then they get passed by committee, but some of them have so many different kinds of provisos that they have to go to another committee.
	Like if, for example, they're asking for a lot of money, it's got to go to the finance committee.
	Or if they're asking for something, I don't know why the energy committee is involved, but for some reason the bill had to go through there, and then when they get a hold of it, they start adding more crap to it.
	Energy stuff.
	We should have our own committee, John.
	We should be a committee in government.
	We could add all kinds of cool stuff, like the Botox credit.
	it that would be a really good one for us to add it was put in this provision by earl blaun a blunt blown hour from oregon blue and our blue and our inside it's there it stands it's a blow on our blue and blue We're blowing out your ass.
	We're blowing out your ass now.
	A provision which allows you to get counseling every five years or so.
	I wonder what the hell this provision is doing in a bill that's aimed at people who are younger.
	It's not about Medicare recipients, people over 65.
	Why we'd want to be visited every five years by somebody to talk about how you want to die.
	I think it's crazy this is in there, but your thoughts?
	But it's not in there.
	I mean, basically...
	It is in there.
	No, but it's...
	It's in the bill.
	It's in the dingo bill.
	First of all, Chris, Chris, first of all...
	Who is that?
	Who is that talking to?
	Oh, she's a Washington Post reporter.
	And she's saying it's not in the bill?
	Did she read it?
	That's what she said.
	She says it's not in the bill, and then she kind of backed off and says, well, it's kind of in the bill.
	And then she said, just to summarize it, then she said, well, it's already in the Medicaid and Medicare bills, or they're in that law, and he says, it's got nothing to do with it.
	And he goes off on her.
	He was, like, really irked about this.
	Man.
	Okay.
	Okay, so what's on the clip list?
	I've got Paulson 1 and 2.
	Ooh.
	There was a thing I read.
	I think it was in Huffington Post saying that Paulson got called up because of some email or some crazy things that were going through the email and they found some of this and that and the other thing.
	And then I heard this Paulson 2, the B clip, which I was just actually very flabbergasted by playing this.
	This is Jackie Speier in a hearing where they're ripping Paulson a new one.
	Do you use email?
	Yes.
	Do I use email?
	No, I don't.
	Do you use Hotmail?
	Do you use Gmail?
	I use it personally.
	You don't use it personally or professionally?
	Yeah, I just don't.
	So I've never used it for any business communications.
	Just never use it.
	So while you were Secretary of the Treasury, you never used email?
	No.
	How did you communicate with people?
	Telephone.
	I don't use email.
	Okay.
	Hey, that's your government at work, folks.
	I don't use email.
	Check the calendar, Paulson.
	Yeah, really.
	Hello, 2009 calling.
	It's just so he can say that whatever emails they find, he didn't write them, right?
	That's why he's saying that.
	That's what I'm guessing.
	Lying sack of shit.
	If you want to play another Paulson clip, play the first one.
	There's another one which I'll play maybe on Sunday or the next week, which is actually really funny, but this one here is not bad.
	Paulson, who was a thief, a scoundrel, stealing our money for his buddies.
	If the people of America didn't create the problem, who created the problem?
	If the people of America didn't create the problem...
	You said the people of America didn't create the problem, so tell us who created it.
	Well, just so people know who are living in foreign countries, if you didn't understand, this is our former finance minister, essentially, Secretary of the Treasury of the United States, ex-Goldman Sachs CEO. My pinky's getting even more crooked.
	Were the banks involved?
	Well, I would say this.
	This problem, there's so much blame to go around.
	Well, give us a few people.
	It's like he's at the principal's office, isn't it?
	It's like, why don't you just give me a try?
	Okay.
	Excesses have been building up for a very long time.
	I just want you to give me some names.
	I have a limited amount of time.
	Would we include the banks?
	Would we include Goldman?
	Would we include AIG? Would we include anyone who's got sharp funds?
	You could say financial institutions, regulators, investors.
	So there is plenty of mistakes by a vast multitude.
	You'd be interested in knowing that in a financial services committee yesterday, all the banks were represented, and they, almost to the person, indicated that they weren't responsible for this.
	That's the punchline.
	Yeah.
	It doesn't really matter.
	It's all after the fact.
	I love it.
	Man, they've already stolen all our money.
	Yeah, the money's already stolen.
	This is like what happened in Russia after the fall of communism.
	All the gold resorted.
	They all disappeared from the gold.
	Yeah, really.
	Well, I've got some of it.
	Yeah, you have a piece.
	I got a little piece.
	Want to talk about the earth for a second?
	The earth?
	Yeah, the earth.
	You're talking about, like, the planet Earth?
	Yeah, the planet.
	You know, the thing that we walk around on?
	Okay.
	Weather Experts.
	This is coming to us from...
	What's this fine publication?
	I'll find out for a second.
	Weather experts are contemplating a new mystery of the deep blue sea.
	Why it's been deeper than usual at high tide all along the east coast for the past several weeks.
	Since June, tides have been running six inches to two feet above what would normally be expected, even considering seasonal and lunar fluctuations.
	Mike Zavedos, director of NOAA's Tide and Current Program in Silver Spring, Maryland says, right now we're trying to get a better understanding of what's the cause, but he says, global warming is not to blame.
	This is something else, and they do not know what it is.
	Six inches to two feet higher than normal, John.
	Well, maybe something's lifting up in the ocean floor.
	I mean, it's clear.
	We know that something is changing.
	We know that the magnetic poles are reversing.
	There's all kinds of magnetic stuff taking place in the southern hemisphere, probably partially responsible for some of these aircraft systems frying out.
	There's a lot of stuff going on, but it amazes me that this is not massive news.
	What's even more amazing to me is that we don't have...
	It would have been massive news if he would have said global warming.
	Well, that's the point.
	Why aren't the global warming jabronis jumping on it?
	This is perfect.
	You know, this is the perfect thing.
	Oh, the polar ice caps are melting.
	The tide is rising.
	Why aren't they doing that?
	This seems like a perfect one to jump on.
	Well, because apparently somebody came out with some proof that it's got nothing to do with anything.
	Well, actually, it just says scientists.
	I love that reporting.
	That's the best we can do nowadays.
	Scientists say as the rise was too sudden for it to be global warming.
	So it's something that's sudden.
	It's something that's just popped up really quickly.
	Six inches to two feet, that seems like quite a bit.
	You're underwhelmed.
	Give me Napolitano, because this NLE09 has been going on.
	First I was listening to this, I'm thinking, here's the punchline I'll give in the event.
	Is this actually Napolitano, or is this Tim Riley?
	Who's Tim Riley?
	He's the publisher of all these computer books.
	Oh.
	You mean Tim O'Reilly?
	No, it's Tim O'Reilly.
	I thought it was O'Reilly.
	No, you're thinking of the O'Reilly report.
	I'm thinking of O'Reilly's bar, I think.
	American hotels were the target of bombings in Jakarta that killed eight people and injured six Americans.
	Six Americans were among the 164 people killed in the attacks in Mumbai in November of 2008.
	Three Americans were among the 54 killed in the attack on the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad in September of 2008.
	So if 9-11 happened in a Web 1.0 world, terrorists are certainly in a Web 2.0 world now.
	And many of the technological tools that expedite communication today were in their infancy or didn't even exist in 2001.
	Oh really?
	What?
	Specifically, she's Web 1.0, the terrorism Web 2.0.
	What has she been reading?
	BitTorrent.
	BitTorrent didn't exist in 2001.
	That's what they're using.
	This woman is unbelievable.
	I mean, really, really unbelievable.
	The AFP reports a couple of quotes from her, our Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.
	You just got to love this woman.
	She's urging a much broader society response in which the public helps curb a growing phenomenon of so-called homegrown terrorism.
	This is part of that plan of Obama to create a militia.
	Yeah, and let me tell you about the militia.
	Here's a quote.
	There's actually an important role we can play in educating even our very young about watching for and knowing what to do.
	Oh, brother, yeah.
	Kids!
	If you're in an airport, you see a package left with no one around.
	However, she's not advocating a culture of spying on one another.
	Oh, no.
	We have to be careful.
	We need to strike a balance.
	As an example, we have to be respectful of mosques and other Islamic institutions.
	We have to be very careful about profiling a religious institution, just as we have to be careful about profiling individuals.
	We have to be very, very careful about interfering with the free exercise of religion.
	But, you know, to tell people that we have to educate our very young to be wary, I mean, what happened to innocence, man?
	What happened to just riding around on your bike as a kid and just goofing off?
	Now we've got to, like, be aware.
	No goofing off, kids.
	No goofing off.
	Back to work.
	Hey, you six-year-olds, I'm going to need to report that paper sack that's sitting over there with somebody's lunch in it.
	It's horrible.
	It's really, really horrible.
	Is she just justifying the entire means for the existence of her department?
	What is this?
	What is this about?
	This woman stupefies me.
	Well, the whole department should be disbanded.
	Unfortunately, it's too late.
	This is typical of government, by the way.
	You set something up, oh, it's only going to be here when we need it, and that's it.
	It just takes over.
	It does everything it can to grow and grow and grow and get bigger and bigger and bigger, because the bigger it gets, the higher the pay for the guy at the top.
	Or the gal.
	Right.
	Of course, the national level exercise 09 is in full force this week, which we talked about on Sunday.
	And there's actually some stuff I want to talk about at the end of the show because what's going on in New Jersey and is completely underreported is pretty amazing.
	I'm really just going to keep that until the end.
	Is it really?
	Okay.
	Yeah, I want to keep that until the end.
	But I want to send you this clip, John.
	This is a YouTube clip.
	And this is the scariest thing I have seen.
	Hold on.
	Let me see if I can get you the link.
	This is the scariest thing I've seen in years.
	Although it did happen on a U.S. carrier.
	There you go.
	Flight 857 from San Francisco to Shanghai.
	So the aircraft arrives at Pudong Airport, pulls into the gate.
	Passengers are requested to remain seated.
	And then these five or six guys in complete white containment suits walk onto the plane.
	So they're completely covered in white.
	They've got the goggles on.
	And they have these radar thermometer guns, and they point them at each person's forehead and read their temperature to see if they have swine flu.
	But look at the video, man.
	It will freak you out.
	You've got to send me a link.
	I'll blog it.
	I just skyped you the link.
	Take a look at it.
	I want to hear your reaction, because you look at it and you're like, oh my god, it's a fucking science fiction movie.
	It's unbelievable.
	It sounds like those guys in the Star Wars.
	It looks just like, what do you call those guys?
	The sentries or whatever?
	Yeah.
	I can't remember their name.
	Somebody in the chat room knows.
	You know, the guys in the white.
	Are you looking at the clip?
	Yeah, I am.
	It looks like somebody did this.
	This is bullshit.
	No, that's not bullshit.
	That's real.
	Look at the clip.
	Really look at it.
	That's not bullshit.
	That's a full aircraft.
	I think there's somebody who's punked.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	This is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
	It looks like they're going to shoot everybody.
	You know, let's do this with these phony guns at first, and then we'll come in with real guns and wipe these people out.
	That's what it looks like.
	It's a practice.
	First of all, you can't punk stuff like that on an airplane.
	You just can't do that stuff.
	It just doesn't work that way.
	Not while you're at the gate.
	You don't have five guys in white suits come in with radar guns.
	I think you could manage it.
	I don't think so.
	You have some fake credentials.
	You get a couple of people with cameras.
	This is too well shot.
	No, it's not.
	It's just on a regular camcorder.
	People get good video all the time.
	And then these guys come in, they shoot the gun at a few people, and then they leave, and next thing you know, it's all over the place.
	This is ridiculous.
	All right.
	You can find it in the show notes at noagenda.mevio.com.
	I'll blog it, too.
	You can get it on devork.org slash blog.
	I have the video up.
	And noagendashow.com is also working now.
	That resolves to our Squarespace site.
	And as we were talking last week about S.666 and the bioterrorism bill and all of this money that was appropriated years ago, I ran across yet another fine...
	Ooh, John, did I just lose you?
	How did that happen?
	Let's see if we can call him back.
	Oh!
	Whoops!
	That doesn't sound too good.
	Let's pull the plug on these two assholes.
	You can just see the guys at the AT&T headquarters saying exactly that.
	Hey, fuck them.
	Let's get them now, dude.
	So I was about to talk about the bioterrorism funding that was set up a couple of years ago.
	We talked about this on Sunday.
	And who was it?
	Was it Joe Lieberman?
	Who sponsored that original bill.
	So they got all this money.
	And I bumped across...
	John, we are so in the wrong business, dude.
	Because I was looking at...
	Dude.
	I was looking at what kind of money was being appropriated towards vaccine companies.
	Of course, for the swine flu.
	This is a site that is just unbelievable.
	The DTRA. Have you ever heard of this organization?
	No.
	Okay, DTRA.mil.
	It is the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.
	The Combat Support Agency of the U.S. Department of Defense, assigned with the mission of safeguarding the United States and its allies from weapons of mass destruction, and of course it defines WMD as chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear, and high-yield explosive weapons.
	By providing capability...
	Pipe Bomb now qualifies.
	Yeah.
	And you see the amount of money being handed out to this one outfit AVI... I forget the name of it.
	Shoot.
	Shoot.
	Well, this is like the $18 million website, that simple website, $18 million.
	These companies, it is a business, but the company's expertise is not in actually doing anything any better than anybody else can do, but it's in getting the contracts.
	I mean, it's an art to be able to get these contracts, and they're huge contracts, and you just essentially bilk the government.
	It's billions of dollars.
	And you're right.
	They explain exactly how you get in on the program, how you get one of these contracts, and it's just outrageous.
	The amount of money being spent, particularly on the H1N1 virus, which is coming from this organization, is just astounding.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	That's probably what we should be doing.
	So this relates directly.
	Actually, the name of the company...
	AVI Biopharma?
	Yeah, AVI Biopharma.
	Did you find the page?
	No, it's ByteLaw sent it to me.
	Okay, because here's something, and I haven't been able to source this properly, so take it for what it's worth.
	But this is how President Obama...
	Ties into a lot of what's happening with swine flu on the back end.
	So I'm just going to read some of this verbatim to you.
	So George W. Bush announced the International Partnership on Avian and Pandemic Influenza at the UN General Assembly on September 14, 2005.
	So that's when it affected the United States under United Nations law and the World Health Organization.
	World Health Organization.
	That's the new name!
	Wait, don't say that, man.
	I don't want to get disconnected again.
	So, you know, we are under WHO law in the event of a pandemic emergency, which in effect is now in place according to the Constitution of the World Health Organization.
	Whenever they say everyone must be vaccinated, we apparently have to do it.
	And of course, we're at threat level six, so we're there now.
	Earlier that year, in April 2005, and this is the part that I have not sourced, and there's a couple more things, so I'm not saying it's true, but it's interesting.
	Barack Obama, then, as a senator, introduced the first comprehensive bill to deal with the bird flu threat.
	That was the Avian Act.
	According to reports, Obama made significant investments in biotech companies involved in the development of bird and swine flu.
	Less than two months after ascending to the United States Senate, Barack Obama bought more than $50,000 worth of stock in two speculative companies whose major investors included some of his political donors.
	One of the companies was this AVI Biopharma, and that started to develop a drug to treat the avian flu.
	In March 2005, two weeks after buying about 5,000 of its shares, Obama took the lead in a legislative push for more federal spending to battle the disease.
	He put $50,000 to $100,000 into an account at UBS, which his aides say was recommended to him by his friend George W. Haywood, who was a major investor in Skytera and AVI Biopharma.
	Within two weeks of his purchase of the biotech stock, February 22nd, Obama initiated what he has called, quote, one of my top priorities since arriving in the Senate, and that was a push to increase federal financing to fight avian flu.
	I mean, this just goes on and on and on and on.
	Well, that's such a conflict of interest that I can't imagine somebody's not looking into it.
	Well, again, since it really hasn't been sourced very well, but I can give you just a quick overview, which I like.
	April 28, 2005, Obama introduces the Avian Act, S-969.
	Senator Obama introduced the first comprehensive bill to address the threat of an avian influenza pandemic.
	Then he warns of a flu pandemic in 2005 on June 6th, released by Barack Obama and Richard Lugar.
	Do you know who he is?
	Yeah, Richard Lugar, Dick Lugar.
	He's one of the senators.
	Okay.
	It is essential for the international community led by the United States to take decisive action to prevent a pandemic.
	What should we do?
	Recently, the World Health Organization called for more money and attention to be devoted to effective preventative action appealing for $100 million, accelerating research into avian flu vaccines and antiviral drugs.
	Is what we need to do.
	And then you look at the money that came from the...
	I'm spacing on it for a second.
	It's one of these urban health initiatives, something else that he sponsored.
	That money went directly to AVI Biopharma.
	So we need work to do.
	I'm telling you, this whole swine flu thing is all about the money.
	It's not about killing anybody.
	It's about the money and testing adjuvants.
	Simple.
	And then, obviously, they give a lot of money to the WHO, and then that stupid woman that runs it, who...
	By the way, if you get there to see her speak, she seems like an out-and-out idiot.
	Yeah, Chan.
	Isn't that her name?
	Yeah.
	And she...
	I mean, if you ever watch the old Matt TV show and you ever saw Miss Swan, this is this woman.
	So anyway, they give him a lot of money and they say, you know, the back channel said, look, you know, if you crank up the, you know, we got a bunch of people making this stuff.
	We got to give them some reward.
	So can you make it a level six threat?
	What is her background?
	Where is this Margaret Chan from?
	I think she was in either China I think she's from China and she was one of the investigators or the head of Hong Kong's health department.
	She's got the background of doing stuff in the health industry as a bureaucrat.
	So executives from Baxter, of course that's the company that tried to slip the virus into a regular flu shot, Novartis, GlaxoSmithKline, and Sanofi Pasteur all have seats on the advisory group That recommended on July 13th mandatory H1N1 vaccination of everyone in all 194 countries that belong to the World Health Organization.
	Gee, I wonder why they do that.
	And this is a report just released.
	And Dr.
	Margaret Chan did not give the press briefing herself in Geneva.
	It was Dr.
	Marie Paul Kleiney Who stepped in to announce that, quote, vaccines will be needed in all countries.
	So, yeah, this is the money grab.
	Now, the thing my wife pointed out to me was the fact that we've made some sort of an agreement, the country has made an agreement with the WHO, and if they declare some sort of an epidemic, which they pretty much have, and say that we have to have a shot in the United States, we, because of the treaty, We have to require, despite the fact that it's unconstitutional to require a vaccination in the United States of America, but because of the treaty, there's some way they're going to try to force us to take a shot.
	Right, that's what I just said.
	Everyone who joins with the...
	Yeah, that's what you just said, but I'm just saying...
	Say it again.
	Just give your wife credit for what I just said.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Yeah.
	So, but let's...
	Here's what's going to happen.
	Somebody's going to have to challenge this immediately and get it into the court system as fast as they can so it gets up to the Supreme Court so they can say, this is unconstitutional.
	You can't do this.
	I don't care what agreement you made.
	This has always bothered me, by the way.
	Non-disclosures have always irked me because they're against the First Amendment rights.
	What non-disclosure are you talking about now?
	This is like in any corporation or if you're working for somebody, you get these agreements, these non-disclosures.
	You say that you will never say anything about this.
	There's a contract.
	But when does a contract, when can a contract violate the basic constitution?
	It's an illegal contract.
	There's no way that I can sign my rights to say something away in the United States of America.
	It's bull!
	Wait a minute.
	Aren't you allowed to enter into private contracts?
	Isn't that part of the Constitution?
	Yeah, but I can do anything I can say.
	I'm going to do this and that and the other thing.
	But there's no way they're going to be able to sue me.
	I can't have...
	Okay, if that's true, then why don't I enter into a private contract for slaves?
	Oh, it's a private contract.
	I brought these guys over from Africa.
	They signed here.
	And they said they'd be slaves.
	No problem.
	What do you think all those people at Mevio are, dude?
	What's up with you?
	Quiet now.
	I'm just telling you.
	What's the difference?
	What's the difference between a nondisclosure and an agreement to be a slave?
	How is it constitutional?
	So how is it constitutional we are forced to take vaccines?
	Well, we've discussed this on the show, John, and you've heard...
	We discuss it all the time.
	I just get more irked about it every time it comes up.
	So who is going to challenge this?
	This is a very good question.
	Who is going to stand up and challenge it, considering that just about every single politician in the system, one way or another, is tied into Big Pharma?
	And I'll buy your argument that this is all about money, and I think most of the middle layer, maybe even the edges of the middle layer of what's going on here, it is all about greed and money.
	But at the same time, it is kind of dangerous.
	Well, I think they do want to use the public as a guinea pig, that's for sure.
	Well, the public is, but it's gotten so bad, the public is willingly giving themselves up as guinea pigs to get in line.
	You know, if the public is that dumb, let them do it.
	I mean, the point is that the forced ones are the ones that are somewhat irksome.
	If you play the clip, here's a clip for you.
	On the clipless, there's one, look for one.
	Swine flu coming back?
	Yeah.
	They should stay home from school for seven days at least, if it looks like they have swine flu.
	And people who are sick should actually wear masks at home.
	Also, wash...
	Can you imagine?
	Honey, you can't kiss me.
	I'm wearing my mask.
	I'm wearing masks at home.
	This idiot is on the CBS local news telling us about swine flu.
	Tell me there's more.
	Tell me there's more.
	Sneeze and cough into your sleeve.
	Sneeze and cough into your wife's mouth.
	That's much fun.
	Not your hand.
	Vaccines are also going to be available, but you must get one for the seasonal flu and a separate one for the swine flu, which is two shots.
	To the head.
	We'll be gearing up for on-site vaccination programs in probably about 40 schools in Contra Costa.
	We'll be doing drive-through vaccine.
	Drive-through vaccine?
	Hey kids, hang your arm out the window.
	Hang your arm out the window.
	Here we go.
	Thank you.
	Can I have another?
	Programs for the public in shopping centers beginning in November.
	In the meantime, the health departments are working with each other and the school districts to track absences.
	If another kid gets it, then we'll just bring him home and he'll be fine.
	And we'll kill him at home.
	I think a lot of the media...
	What?
	This guy is the public and listen to what he says.
	A lot of the media around it has been around the fear of what it might be as opposed to what the flu turned out to be.
	It turns out the swine flu isn't more dangerous than the seasonal flu, but it's also here to stay.
	It won't be going away.
	We expect it's coming back in the fall with larger numbers.
	What we hope is that it doesn't come back with more severity.
	All these flus go away.
	Why is this one not going away?
	It's like bad Mexican food.
	It comes back.
	It doesn't go away.
	It won't be going away.
	It's coming back.
	It's never going to go away.
	So here's what you've got to be careful of.
	You know, the most recent vaccination that they tried to roll, and John, I am really buying into your money argument, of course.
	I was hammering time and time again about this Gardasil, this HPV vaccine, which apparently would prevent your daughters from getting cervical cancer, which of course has been proven that it's not 100% effective.
	It didn't go through all the clinical trials.
	It was rushed through.
	It was rolled out in almost exactly the same fashion.
	With a fear-based campaign, getting mothers and fathers to take their young daughters to get this frickin' shot, and now a federal report, oh, gee whiz, has concluded that the HPV vaccine Gardasil has a 400% higher rate of adverse effects than any other comparable vaccine.
	Yeah, duh.
	Because they probably had adjuvants in it.
	We haven't looked into it, but I'm sure it was a beta test.
	And they even want boys to take this test, this vaccine now.
	For cervical cancer!
	Are you nuts?
	It's hilarious.
	Are you nuts?
	Well, maybe you can grow a cervix when you get older.
	You never know.
	But listen, researchers considered Gardasil and Menactra equivalent for the purposes of comparison because Menactra is an anti-meningitis shot.
	So they compared the two because they're given to similar age groups at similar frequencies.
	The study concluded Gardasil was associated with twice as many emergency room visits, four times as many deaths, and four times as many heart attacks, seven times as many disabled reports, and 15 times as many strokes.
	Reported cases of blood clots, heart attacks, all associated with Gardasil, and none of that happened, or almost none of it happened with any other drugs.
	And people just take their kids.
	Take them to the doctor.
	Let that needle slip right in.
	It's nuts.
	Nobody pays attention anymore.
	No, the news is not reporting on it because they're complacent.
	They're a part of it.
	They're part of the system.
	No, they are part of it because the drug companies are one of the biggest advertisers in the world right now.
	Thank you.
	Exactly.
	How come Mevio doesn't have any good pharma advertisers?
	What the fuck is that?
	Can't we at least get some of that money?
	But you don't have anybody that's got the right, you know, this is all Rolodexes, right?
	You just got to find some guy with the drug company Rolodex who could probably, you know, make the company a billion dollar company overnight.
	Hey, if you know anyone in the pharma industry, we'll be happy to make a show.
	Like, two to the arm.
	It's good, kids.
	Come on, we can do that.
	John, we'll do that show.
	It's good for you, kids.
	Vote for jobs!
	Wait a minute.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	Meanwhile, the U.S. Census Bureau...
	That never gets old.
	...does not.
	The U.S. Census Bureau came out with...
	With what they predict will be the change in population.
	So they do a chart from 1950 to 2050.
	It's a beautiful thing, John.
	Let me just Skype you this link.
	I love it when government backs up my crackpot theories.
	So, starting 2012, there's a significant decline in world population.
	It really goes from about 8 billion to, oh, I don't know, close to 4 billion.
	Someone's on the list.
	What's that all about?
	Look at this, look at this, look at this.
	Well, that's because the Chinese don't have one child without having to pay extra taxes.
	And although the way Glenn Beck puts it, they grab the extra child and kill him.
	Kill him.
	They take him out.
	Take him out back.
	By the way, Glenn Beck has been in the news to an extreme this week, which I want to discuss for a second after you've done with this little bit.
	But there's that thing going around which we blogged, which is the world population being able to fit the whole thing into Texas.
	And this guy says, do the math.
	And so I did the math, by the way.
	All right.
	So we have to put this in the show notes because it is a very interesting YouTube clip.
	And so, again, the premise is the entire world population could have a house and all fit with their house in the state of Texas.
	Yeah.
	Is this actually true?
	Yeah, actually it's true by about 0.1 billion people.
	And what happens if we all flush the toilet at the same time?
	Does Texas explode?
	Yes.
	Texas is flushed.
	You can't live that close together.
	There's no infrastructure.
	It doesn't actually work unless you're living in mud huts.
	If you multiply the number of townhouses per acre, which is generally considered to be 35 per acre, and you multiply it by the 170 or plus million acres in Texas, technically you have about 6.8 billion people that are possible to be shoved into Texas.
	Now, of course, there's no grocery stores or room for malls or anything else.
	All that important stuff, like The people in the middle of the state, especially when they get warmed up a little bit, probably be dead.
	But technically, you could jam them all into Texas in a normal-sized townhouse, and you could get the entire world's population into the state of Texas, technically.
	Okay, technically.
	But there are some calculations.
	Which means there's a lot of room for groceries.
	There's some calculations you need to make for infrastructure.
	Grocery stores.
	Yeah, grocery stores, Best Buy, Radio Shack, all the stuff that we really need, along with, I don't know, plumbing.
	Although, now if you think about it, now think about this.
	Hell with the town.
	This is townhouses.
	If you did high-rises, you could probably put the infrastructure in there because you'd have plenty of room.
	Instead of 35 houses, single family dwellings per acre, you could probably shove 1,000 people or 2,000 people in an acre.
	Okay, and where do we grow all the food to feed these people?
	You could probably still have, well, the rest of the country is all agriculture now.
	And where do we go on vacation?
	And by the way, and you run that road that goes from Mexico to Canada?
	John, shut up.
	I'm shipping you to Texas.
	Screw you.
	You're the first to start.
	I'm getting you one of those high-rise plastic coffins.
	We can stack those on top of each other beautifully in Texas.
	I'm just telling you.
	A nice note from a Gitmo Nation southern hemisphere from Simon.
	He translated an official note from the Secretary of Health in Brazil.
	Tuesday, July 28th, recommended to the public and private schools to postpone the return of lessons until the 17th of August.
	This measure has an objective to reduce the transmission of the H1N1 virus.
	Oh, yeah.
	I called Christina yesterday.
	I said, have they delayed the opening of your school yet?
	She says, not yet, but she'll...
	Wait, wait, wait.
	The information has to be reinterpreted, at least on this basis.
	It's the middle of winter in Brazil.
	So they may have some logic for doing this.
	Good point.
	Because it's the middle of winter and it's the flu season in Brazil.
	Good point.
	It's not the flu season around here.
	Or England.
	Good point.
	I'm down with that.
	But still.
	I had another funny swine flu note from...
	Maybe it was from Argentina.
	Hold on.
	Let me see.
	Find it.
	What you're looking for, let's see what other clips we got.
	You only have one more, I think, that you haven't played yet.
	I'll tell you what we have.
	We have...
	Inida, climate change.
	Maybe that's India climate change.
	And we have icons.
	Oh, that's a real clue.
	Since we're talking a little bit about some of this, this is a real quick clip.
	This was taken.
	There's not much publicity.
	Everybody who knows about the climate change bill that's being honest about knows that if we implement it, we're going to be the only country in the world that does.
	And the countries that are the super big polluters like India and China, they say, screw you, we think this thing is a bunch of bull.
	And this is what the head of India's environmental department, he's the head of the environment guy.
	Does he actually say, screw you, it's a bunch of bull?
	Almost.
	India's position is...
	I'd like to make it clear and categorical.
	India's position is that we are simply not in a position to take on legally binding emission reduction targets.
	Developing countries like India don't want to be forced to slow growth in the name of reducing emissions.
	Which is almost what a lot of it sounds like.
	Like it really is about slowing growth of the BRIC nations.
	Well, and us.
	No, for us it's just taking more of our money away.
	Yeah, we've already slowed growth.
	What am I thinking?
	We've got no growth.
	We really don't.
	What is unemployment up to now?
	16%?
	Real unemployment?
	Real unemployment.
	I think it's called B6 or something like that.
	David Guargalia.
	It sends us a quick report from soon-to-be Gitmo Nation, Tropical South.
	Yesterday I was watching the news here in Brazil.
	It seems the government agency that is, and again, it's winter there, that is a rough equivalent of the FDA has approved a batch of Tamiflu about one year over its due date to be used in public hospitals.
	The report said the maker asked the government to use this batch after it tested samples for stability and concluded that it's still in good condition.
	This has actually happened in the States.
	I've received a number of reports.
	From hospital personnel who say, look, we have Tamiflu with an expiration date and we're being told that it's still okay to use it.
	I don't know if that's typical, John, you being a medical doctor by former profession?
	That's one thing I didn't get to be.
	But as a chemist, I can tell you that half these things have the expiration date as premature.
	Luckily, most doctors are asking the patients to ignore the government and to request pills still inside the validity period.
	And then David goes on to say, on the other hand, who cares about that when Taylor Swift is finally here in Brazil to help us with her wow-wing music?
	And he sent us a nice picture of the supermarket with some of the tabloids with Taylor Swift on the cover.
	I wish you had this Taylor Swift clip handy for people who haven't heard it.
	I don't have that handy.
	Well, maybe I could find it somewhere.
	Oh, man.
	Dwing, dwing, dwing, dwing, dwing.
	So, David, you're a full-fledged producer from Gitmo Nation, Tropical South.
	You totally get it.
	I don't have any of the Taylor Swift clips anymore, I don't think, John.
	Unfortunately.
	You've got to keep a library at the ready.
	Do you want to talk just really briefly about this podcast, Pat?
	Because everyone who listens to this show is aware of it.
	Everyone's talking about it, and I haven't really said anything about it yet.
	Let me brief people.
	A company called Volo Media...
	Has obtained from the Department of the Homeland Security Patent Office.
	And for your security by the way.
	patent for podcasting and it was given to them I believe in 2003 despite the fact that most of the internet I mean distribution of media on the internet was in full force in the late 1990s and by 2001 a couple guys debatable who's the primary person I believe is Adam Curry but Dave Weiner because he invented RSS likes to at least throw his name into that into that mix
	so we have Dave Weiner and Adam Curry as inventors of the podcasting model in 2001 after we've seen maybe two three maybe four years of media distribution over the internet in various formats and methodologies 2003 rolls around.
	These guys...
	These guys, unlike the Currys and the Weiners out there who didn't think to put a patent application in, put one in after the fact when all the stuff's already been done.
	So this is a bogus patent.
	So this company, Volo Media, which I think was called something else previously.
	I know this guy, Murgesh.
	Because Ron and I met with him several times in 2005, before we even started a pod show, I believe.
	At the time, he had this kind of weird...
	He had put together like a radio system, and the idea was you'd have this thing in your car, and stuff would be downloaded through 3G or whatever we were talking about at the time.
	And he even said, oh, you know, we have many, many patents filed and all that.
	He actually had some radio guy from some local radio station kind of as his guy to help him with the content part.
	And, you know, we talked a lot and we said, is there anything we can do?
	And, like, you know, really, we're like, this guy just was no fit for us at all.
	But he never really showed me even anything close to what podcasting was at the time.
	What's his name again?
	Murgesh Navar.
	Is this any difference?
	Because there's another Volo Media that is run by this Jan DeVolder guy, which may be a different company.
	Probably is.
	I think it is, actually.
	This company was actually...
	Should I just look at my Gmail for a second, see if I can find anything from Murgesh?
	That would be funny, wouldn't it?
	I could read some of my correspondence with it.
	It's still back there.
	Let me see.
	Actually, do we know that's the name, Volo Media?
	Yeah.
	V-O-L-O? Yeah, V-O-L-O. Let me just see if I have any Murgesh in my email.
	That would be kind of funny, wouldn't it?
	Let's see.
	Come on, Gmail.
	Do me justice.
	Oh, yes.
	Let's see.
	See, I got a Volo media analyst.
	Oh, here it was.
	Audio Feast.
	That's on three different Volo media.
	No, listen, listen.
	Audio Feast is what the company was called.
	Ah, Audio Feast.
	Audio Feast.
	Audio Feast.
	That's why we...
	Remember we had Madge Weinstein?
	And I kept laughing about, oh, let's go talk to Murgesh from Audio Yeast.
	Here's some of our correspondence.
	Adam and Ron, we're working on a one-page proposal on how we can work together.
	We are excited about the podcasting possibilities and want to cooperate with your strengths.
	This is a heads up.
	He's already saying he didn't know what podcasting was at the time.
	Oh, that's a piece of evidence.
	Totally evidence.
	Let me see what else I got.
	This is good.
	Hold on.
	I should have done this earlier.
	Yeah.
	Here.
	Oh, I have a proposal from him.
	Partnership and content possibilities.
	You know what?
	Maybe he's out to get you guys.
	Maybe?
	Let me see...
	What is this?
	Okay, that's just a forward.
	Add this guy to Feastcast or Podcast.
	The guy didn't even know what podcasting was when we talked to him.
	Audio Feast.
	That was his whole brand.
	That was his whole idea.
	How are things going, he writes on June 28, 2005.
	Our 2.0 release is in beta now.
	Delivers all the top radio shows we carry as podcasts.
	These shows can be synced to iTunes or Windows Media Player directly.
	So what he was doing is he was taking radio shows from around the country and syncing them somehow.
	Given this, we have come to a decision we do not want to be a front-facing consumer brand when all of our technology strengths are in the back end.
	We have content partnerships and technology.
	No need to be a consumer-facing brand.
	I'd like to chat and see if we can help Podshow become big really fast.
	Open to chat?
	So I don't think there's anything else.
	There's probably some stuff around here.
	But Adam Rugell, I believe.
	Anyway, Audio Feast.
	Look into that company.
	That was the company...
	Our lawyer tells us that Adam could file a motion for re-examination with the patent office and try to get it invalidated.
	Simple piece of paper.
	Should I tell you something, though?
	I'm so sick and tired of fighting these fights for everybody else.
	There's no fight.
	Just send a piece of paper in.
	Well, first of all, I'm not going to do that because any work I did...
	Have Bobby do it.
	I'm certainly not going to have Bobby do it.
	Any work that I did, and Dave Weiner and I, we were experimenting with this very thing in the public with his software, Radio Userland, in 2000, 2001.
	I work with him on coming up with the idea of the enclosure element in RSS. And after the fact, if this guy was really, really smart, Murgesh, He would have added his name to the podcasting wiki page.
	This is what you're supposed to do, douchebag.
	This is the time when we say, oh, Wikipedia shows that it's not true.
	And I'm just waiting for all these other people to hop on board saying they invented podcasting.
	Go look at the wiki page and you'll see what I'm talking about.
	Here it is.
	Is this the one that you keep editing?
	Consistently.
	I should put this guy in.
	Murgesh Navar invented podcasting in 2003.
	Here it is.
	Here's a potential.
	From Nuko.
	I'm going to put it in.
	This is great.
	This is funny, John.
	Oh, my God.
	Is this on the Wikipedia page you're looking at?
	No, I'm looking at the email still.
	Oh.
	What was he saying here?
	The guy, it was radio stations to some kind of radio thing, and it was a closed-loop system.
	It had nothing to do with RSS. It had nothing to do with any syndication protocol.
	It was taking shows from radio programs that they were licensing, which is why he didn't like the model in the first place.
	Maybe, before we beat this to death, we should take a look at this guy's patent.
	We can look it up.
	It's funny because I looked at the patent and the patent that I find everywhere online does not include a lot of the stuff that he writes about his patent on his patent page.
	So I really don't know.
	Have you looked at the USPTO website?
	Because I don't know how it works.
	There's all these dependencies and all this weird stuff.
	And I don't know if those are then included in the patent.
	Because the basic patent says nothing.
	Because I looked at it, of course.
	It says nothing about downloading.
	But on his website, here I'll send you what he says, John.
	Okay.
	Here you go.
	So his patent which is 7568213 The only thing I could find online about it other than his webpage is a method for providing episodic media, the media comprising providing a user with access to a channel dedicated to episodic media, or in the episodic media provided over the channel is predefined into one or more episodes, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	But then he goes into all these, the method of claim one further comprising automatically providing the user with an indication of the availability of updated episodic media.
	I can't find that at the USPTO's filing.
	So did he just add that in, or do I not know how to read the patent office website, which is clearly not one of those $19 million websites?
	Well, I'm looking at the patent now.
	What is claimed, a method for providing episodic media, the method comprising providing a user with access to a channel dedicated to episodic media, wherein the episodic media provided...
	Right, that all I got, but then it ends at...
	The ability to modify the channel depth by selecting selected public episodic media content, thereby overriding the previously configured channel depth.
	That's all it says.
	But below that, on his own page, he's got these nine different methods of claim.
	What is a method of claim?
	I don't know.
	It's what he said.
	Apparently, it's supposed to be in the patent.
	But I don't see it in the patent.
	I don't either.
	So maybe he's full of horse gooey.
	That could be.
	Anyway, I never liked the guy.
	We couldn't work with him.
	Well, you probably like him even less now.
	I don't care.
	I really don't care.
	The only problem is that he's now talking to Apple, and John, you said to me on the street the other day as we were streetwalking...
	We do that.
	You said...
	I said that the first thing they did, I used to do a lot of, well, uh...
	Nasty shit.
	Nasty shit.
	And one of the things that the lawyers will always tell you is the classic way that you handle a patent that might be weak, and you want to get a bunch of royalties from people, the first thing you've got to do is you've got to find a big fish.
	And you go and you show them this patent and you say you're going to have to want to charge everybody for this patent.
	But, Mr.
	Big Fish, I'm going to let you have the patent for free.
	Because there's no reason for, you know, just to get it out of the way.
	And there's just a million ways of selling this.
	And so now all of a sudden, Apple, then a press release goes out.
	Apple, you know, comes to an agreement, which of course means no money, but it doesn't say that.
	Comes to an agreement with Volo Media to use the Volo Media episodic patent for podcasting.
	And now that is used to scare off all the little fish because now you're fighting against Volo Media and you think Apple's on their side.
	I mean, it just becomes a fiasco of sorts.
	But as soon as the first thing I said to you, as soon as I was telling you that this is the way it's usually done, boom, within 24 hours a press release comes out saying he's talking to Apple.
	Yep.
	He's not talking to him to get royalties because Apple's not going to give him a nickel.
	So if you really do give a shit about this and you think that there's a problem, and if you're a lawyer or if you know a lawyer, I'll sign my name under anything you want.
	And I'm sure Dave Weiner will do the same.
	But I really feel that there's no reason for me to be Camelot and jump on this and go screaming about it.
	It's just, it's lame.
	I think I've got evidence the guy didn't even know what podcasting was.
	He was looking at a completely different system.
	And if anything, hey, you know what?
	I think I have an NDA with that dude.
	Well, go dig it up.
	Please.
	And now, back to real news.
	Lady magazines are in trouble!
	Usually, the mags gorge on ads for their September issues, often inches thick and by far the biggest of the year.
	The fall issues' fat revenues bursting at the seams usually carry them through the lean months after Christmas.
	However, plummeting ad sales combined with lower circulation rates means quite a few won't have reserves to make it through hibernation.
	The reason...
	It's because women, according to Liz Jones of the Daily Mail, women are sick and tired of looking at beautiful Photoshop Botox chicks.
	They want it to be real.
	They find the magazines patronizing fake and pointless.
	It's a new generation.
	I think they're onto something.
	I think that now that we actually know how Photoshop works, that women are saying, screw that shit.
	Yeah, actually, Photoshop may have ruined it.
	Well, Photoshop created, well, it's not airbrushing created.
	I mean, it all stems from, I think a lot of it stems from that picture of Faith Hill that was on the cover, I think Cosmo or one of these magazines, and then they showed up on the internet with the before and after, and she was like, Faith Hill, who's a good-looking woman, was so Photoshopped, I mean, it made it look like she was 17, it was, I think it was an eye-opener for a lot of people.
	You shouldn't have needed to do that with everybody.
	Every single magazine, certainly the cover, every single one is photoshopped, retouched, graded, everything.
	Especially for technology magazines.
	Everything is photoshopped.
	Everything is made to look more beautiful, fake, and is not real.
	Maybe that's a part of why all this stuff is going down the drain, John, besides the shoddy reporting.
	Yeah, everything's fake.
	I got some news.
	Real news.
	Hit the real news button.
	And now, back to real news.
	Okay, so there's this huge scandal going on in Australia that is really interesting.
	There's this morning show called, a radio show.
	Good Morning Australia?
	Today.
	Australia Today, yes.
	Today show.
	And there's a Kyle and Jackie O, these two hosts, and they run the show.
	And so they had this idea that was going to be so funny.
	Let's get a lie detector and put some teenager on it and see if we have our mom grill her about stuff.
	Oh, jeez.
	So they found this girl, and she didn't want to do it.
	She didn't want to do it.
	She didn't want to do it.
	They made her do it.
	They hooked her up to a lie detector test, and they started asking her questions.
	Did you ever have sex?
	Did you ever play with a boy?
	Did you ever kiss?
	And the girl says, I'm not saying.
	I already talked about this before.
	Then they start giving her a bad time.
	And she says, okay, okay.
	I was raped when I was 12.
	Oh, Jesus Christ.
	Oh, my God.
	All hell has broken loose.
	And rightfully so.
	And by whom?
	No kidding.
	By whom?
	I mean, the government's involved.
	They're wondering why this went without being reported.
	Why did the mom...
	What was the point of this lie detector thing?
	What was the show's involvement?
	I mean, everybody's in on this.
	This is a huge scandal.
	Talk about taking the spotlight away from, you know, the nothing to see here thing.
	This is just a killer.
	Ugh.
	That poor girl.
	That poor girl.
	Don't look over here.
	Nothing to see here.
	Ooh, look at that!
	That's horrible.
	You bummed me out with that one, John.
	Just to let you know, Australia, we are listening to what you're up to.
	Yeah, we do care.
	Okay, I just wanted to talk briefly about New Jersey.
	Of course there were, you know, like 40 lawmakers arrested over the past few weeks in New Jersey.
	It seems like the mob is involved.
	There's this kind of, I don't know exactly what these Jewish organizations represent or which fraction they represent, but there seems to be some Israeli ties into this.
	Assertions to that in one of our previous shows.
	Did you know that 11 letters containing suspicious white powder have been sent to government and private offices in northern New Jersey in the past 10 days, John?
	Nope.
	Why would I know that?
	Gee, figure.
	Why would it be reported?
	I have to say the Star-Ledger did report on this.
	Not the biggest national newspaper in the world.
	Which is right across the river.
	Yes, it is.
	So I'll just read you some of the report.
	This is now the FBI is copying to this.
	Now remember, this is anthrax letters, essentially.
	No one has been injured.
	Initial tests show the powder did not appear to be dangerous, authorities said.
	What was it then?
	Could you please tell me what was it?
	Was it anthrax?
	Was it non-lethal anthrax?
	Was it powder sugar?
	Was it heroin?
	What the hell was it?
	However, of course, the mailings prompted temporary shutdowns throughout Bergen and Passaic counties while hazmat units investigated.
	Hazmat?
	That sounds Jewish just by itself.
	What is a hazmat unit?
	Hazard material?
	Hazardous materials.
	Those are the guys in those white suits.
	Ah, there you go.
	With the thermometer gun.
	The FBI, the lead agency in the investigation, released few details, of course.
	In each case, the powder was in an envelope that was inside another envelope.
	Since July 17th, the agency said letters were sent to locations in Tadawa, Clifton, that's where I used to live, Wayne, Ringwood, Woodland Park, and Fairlawn, all in New Jersey.
	Final testing on the three letters concluded there was no evidence of biological agents.
	The agency would not say where the letters were sent, but the Fairlawn Police Department confirmed one was received by Police Chief Eric Rose on Friday morning.
	The same morning, another letter was delivered to the law offices of Vivino and Vivino in Wayne.
	Ha, ha, ha.
	Vavino and Vavino, we'll help you immediately.
	The office was evacuated for about two hours.
	Emergency crews came in.
	The FBI is working with the U.S. Postal Inspection Service and local and county investigators on the case.
	Letters containing suspicious white powder have been common since 2001.
	Common?
	Common?
	What do you mean common?
	Where have I heard about this since 2001?
	Letters containing suspicious white powder have become common since 2001.
	In Jersey, maybe.
	When letters laced with anthrax powder, one of which was processed at the post office in Hamilton, Mercer County, killed five people in the past.
	Eight months alone, white powder letters forced workplace evacuations at a pharmaceutical company in Montvale, a securities firm in Woodbridge, and offices of Senate President Richard Cody.
	Governor John Corzine was also among 30 governors to receive white powder letters late last year.
	They're suppressing this.
	They're completely suppressing this.
	Well, they're doing it for a good reason.
	Because the boneheads in this country, oh, yeah, this is a great idea.
	So, of course, they say nothing happened.
	However, one of the 44 people arrested last week, this is according to Reuters, in a sweeping federal probe of political corruption and money laundering in New Jersey, one of the people has been found dead in suspicious circumstances.
	Jack Shaw.
	You've heard of him, John.
	I have.
	Yeah, I think you have.
	Longtime Democratic political consultant was discovered dead at his Jersey City home on Tuesday afternoon in circumstances Hudson County prosecutor Edward DeFazio called suspicious.
	However, the prosecutor told the New York Times the death did not appear to be murder.
	They're still working on Michael Jackson for like six weeks now and within three days.
	Oh, this is not murder.
	Oh, no, this is nothing.
	I've got to get my jingle.
	I'm slow on the draw.
	Slow on the draw here.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So this whole corruption thing is really, really underreported.
	And so the Shaw guy was basically, he was wearing a wire.
	He was the informant.
	He was talking to all of these...
	Huh, and coincidentally wound up dead.
	But it wasn't a murder.
	But it gets better!
	He had been working for developers in northern New Jersey.
	Previously, he worked for Chicago Mayor Richard Daley and former New Jersey Governor Jim Florio and helped with New Jersey Governor John Corzine's race for the Senate.
	I mean, there is a lot of shit going on.
	So he introduced the informant to other officials who were charged in the massive investigation of corruption, human organ sales, and money laundering involving several mayors and rabbis.
	Rabbi's angle is the one that gets me.
	Hey, you want a kidney?
	That is the opening of the show.
	Right there.
	Say it again.
	No.
	You do your own voices.
	So just to follow up, those who were arrested were the mayors of Hoboken, Secaucus, Ridgefield, state lawmakers, city council members, zoning officials, building inspectors, and political candidates.
	The mayor of Secaucus, Dennis Elwell, resigned on Tuesday.
	New Jersey is bust.
	You know, Letterman is doing bits on this.
	And here's the one that I just dawned on after doing the rabbi.
	It's like, Letterman says, you know, all these guys are exchanging kidneys, and there's a bunch of rabbis, which really surprises me, he says.
	And when he says that, Paul...
	Yeah.
	Out of the blue says, well, it doesn't surprise me.
	What?
	The letterman should have stopped and said, what are you talking about?
	It doesn't surprise you.
	Why?
	He probably bought one off a rabbi.
	When did this become like takeover from the diamonds, you know?
	Alright, so there's a whole bunch of theories about this, and the crackpot command center fax machine is just all a Twitter about what's going on here.
	And so there's tie-ins into Madoff, money being slipped through the rabbis into Israel, the so-called Israelis who were cheering with the urban moving company bus from the World Trade Center when the towers came the so-called Israelis who were cheering with the urban moving company There's all these different conspiracy theories.
	And all I can say is where there's smoke, there could be some more smoke.
	So, you know, if you have any information on it, please, we'd like to know.
	Because this being so underreported where you have 44 people arrested.
	Have you seen any of this on the news, John?
	Is this on CNN? Is this on MSNBC? They should be sure they're having pictures of guys in cuffs being hauled off by the FBI. With big FBI on their back.
	Yeah, thank you.
	But they're not.
	So I've been working very, very hard on trying to figure out what's going on.
	So there's two stories.
	One is this one, because it just stinks to hell on high water.
	There is so much fishiness going on with this, and the fact that it's just not being covered at all.
	At all!
	You know, what are we going to see tonight?
	Tonight we're going to see Gates with the cop drinking beer with the president.
	That's the news you're going to get tonight.
	Meanwhile, lawmakers, corruption, people dying, anthrax letters.
	They're also going on and on about Glenn Beck calling Obama a racist and making a big stink about it.
	Who gives a shit?
	What does it say?
	Who gives a shit?
	So this is where you get some real news.
	On top of that, there is some of this, you know, and I am still interested in President Obama's, perhaps in his investments into biopharmaceutical companies, then pushing avian and swine flu agenda.
	You know, this is real work that's going on here.
	And by the way, we need your help on doing this.
	That's a rough segue, but I agree that now is the time to ask people to give us a hand.
	We have a lot of people that have come up to the plate and given us $50 or $100, and we mention them all on Sunday so you get your name mentioned.
	We also have a new knight this week, which is a good thing, and we'll mention him on Sunday.
	Maybe we should have a theme for these nights.
	Why not today?
	Because I was prepared to do it on Sunday, and I don't have his name immediately in front of me.
	Okay, good.
	But that means someone donated us $1,000.
	He's an American, which is really kind of a shocker.
	I mean, I do have his name.
	Why don't we do it with Shout Out now and on Sunday?
	Okay, well, tell us.
	Well, hold on.
	I mean, I'm going to search for the email.
	I mean, clearly the system you're using doesn't...
	Anyway, the point is...
	Well, no.
	This machine...
	I don't care.
	It's basically a podcasting machine.
	Well, you're going to have to pay Murgesh Navar some money for that, my friend.
	Okay?
	We'll get him an extra big...
	By the way, we're going to have a sheepskin.
	I've got a calligrapher lined up, and they're going to get something they can frame.
	Anyway, the point is that we need...
	Go to noagenda.squarespace.com and click on one of the buttons and help us out.
	We want to thank everybody who has helped us out.
	Also, go to dvorak.org.na.
	Did you ever put a link on curry.com?
	To what?
	To the PayPal account.
	Every single show.
	Okay.
	Every single show.
	What are you talking about?
	So you go to curry.com where you find probably two of the best podcasts in the world are posted there.
	Okay, it was Scott Rodriguez.
	Yeah, Scott Rodriguez.
	Scott, thank you so much for your donation.
	You are now on a special night.
	And he's from where?
	Did you get his place there?
	He's from...
	I'm just...
	No.
	I have his location.
	But he's in the main part of the country.
	It's not unique.
	We'd like to get some knights from England.
	England, I think that would be kind of amusing.
	We're the big, you know, the things we, we, you know, we'd like to do three shows and we really aren't getting enough money.
	We get enough money to pay a few bills, but we don't get enough money to do three shows and really dedicate even more time to this.
	But if you listen to this show, you should feel guilty about the fact that you're probably getting stuff...
	I would say 90% of which you'll never hear anyplace else.
	It's all pretty good.
	There's some crackpot stuff, yeah.
	But generally speaking, it's like stuff that's probably valuable to you to know.
	And it's also good conversation material when you go to a cocktail party.
	Yeah, it can get you laid.
	I believe so.
	I also wanted to plug the No Agenda mobile app, version 1.2.
	I think there's three of them in the iPhone, iTunes app store.
	But I think, let's see, now you can actually chat while listening to the show, which is kind of novel.
	Anyway, there's a couple of No Agenda mobile apps in there, and I think they're working on some new features like a soundboard and stuff like that.
	And by the way, anything you want to do with the show, go ahead.
	Yeah, if you want to post it on your own blog...
	You can grab the feed, the mp3 feed, and put a player on your blog.
	That's not that hard to do.
	And then just run the show on your blog.
	We don't care.
	Yeah, and if you want to make, what is it, ringtones from some of the ridiculous quotes we have from John, fine.
	You know, from some of the jingles, go for it.
	That's what it's there for.
	So that's a good thing, and that's another reason to donate, to support this podcast, noagenda.squarespace.com or dvorak.org slash na.
	And now we also have noagendashow.com, which goes to the same place.
	Just kind of cool.
	Oh, did you light that up?
	Yeah, it's lit.
	Fully lit.
	It goes to noagenda.squarespace.com.
	That's good enough.
	It's just another thing to confuse our branding with.
	We have confused branding.
	We don't really even have an actual logo.
	Oh, God.
	Here it comes.
	I think we could have a logo contest.
	The next thing I really want to focus on, John, seriously, is I'd like to do a dinner, a $500 a plate dinner, and I'm suggesting that we just try one in Vegas.
	We only need 10 people for it to be a success.
	We'll get you a real good dinner, some real nice wine.
	It won't be some chicken fundraiser.
	I got a letter from a guy who says he can organize one in New York City if we'll let him.
	Yeah, but Vegas is so much better because there's almost a cheap flight to Vegas from anywhere in the world.
	And let's just do a beta test in Vegas.
	Alright, we can do that.
	Besides, you know what else Vegas has?
	Hookers.
	Coming to you from the minimum security containment cell in the Crackpot Command Center in the soon-to-be demolished...
	Loft location under eminent domain in the nation west.
	Which we'll talk about on Sunday.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where I'll be watching the wrecking ball hit Adam's place, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We'll talk again on Sunday right here on No Agenda.

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