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Dec. 20, 2008 - No Agenda

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62: The Greatest Depression

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	Forming the front lines of the war against injustice and stupidity, armed with little more than a compass and a rubber knife.
	This is No Agenda, coming to you from the United Kingdom on the left coast of Gitmo Nation East.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And I'm John C. Dvorak here in northern Silicon Valley.
	Non-existent location, but it's also known as Gitmo Nation, west or northwest.
	Yo.
	Hey, John.
	Good afternoon to you.
	What is it?
	No, good morning.
	It's actually still morning here, yes.
	Right.
	We're a little later than usual today.
	I was traveling back from the Netherlands with the Lady Patricia.
	How did that go?
	It was good.
	It was the final pop stars live.
	You know, they found the...
	After ten weeks of searching and unbelievable peril and turmoil, they were able to succeed, John, and find three finalists who would form the number one pop group of the Lowlands.
	Okay, tell us who they were.
	It's even better than this.
	You'll love this.
	So they...
	The idea of pop stars, they find three finalists out of thousands or whatever, and then they form a group.
	And then on the final night, they reveal who the group is, the name of the group, and they're single.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	They already had recorded 11 different versions of it.
	You know, because of the combinations.
	Oh, with different groups.
	Yeah, well, yeah, the combination of group members, and they had different album covers and everything.
	But it was pretty funny because...
	So they did this big reveal, right, of the name.
	You know, like, big digital boards flashing everywhere, and then, boom, and there's the name.
	And the crowd literally went, and the name is...
	And everyone went, ah...
	It was red spelled R-E. The E was blue and facing backwards with an exclamation point.
	R-E-D. Red.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's exactly what the crowd did.
	Can you reveal this or are you non-disclosed?
	No, no.
	It was live last night.
	It was live?
	Yeah, and I always tell the truth.
	Well, that doesn't sound very exciting.
	No, it was...
	But you know what?
	It doesn't matter because...
	It just doesn't matter.
	I can tell.
	The problem with doing something like that where you have a typographical cuteness with a backward E is that people cannot...
	You know, you can't type it in an email.
	Thank you.
	Very good point.
	The whole thing, even the song, you know, it was like...
	The song was very high school musical...
	You know, it's like, to me it was a real anti-climax, but it doesn't really matter because it's the excitement and people like it and it's a live show and millions of people are watching and they all vote and it's just like a community type thing, you know.
	Well, as you know, I hate this kind of thing.
	Yeah, I know you do.
	But it's good because we did have real losers.
	I like the loser part.
	Yeah, I used to enjoy watching sports events so they could go into...
	And they stopped doing this, by the way, about five or six years ago.
	Usually in a big football game, the big game, the final game of the season, the championship game.
	Baseball, too.
	And then they used to go into the loser's locker room to watch...
	You know, these guys are just miserable.
	And then about five or six years ago, they stopped doing that.
	Now what they do, and I find it really lame, they find the coach, the losing coach, who's usually standing outside the locker room, looking, you know, forlorn, and then they ask him a couple of stupid questions, and that's the end of it.
	That's it, right.
	We don't get to see the fun part, which was the loser's locker room.
	It was hilarious.
	Yeah.
	Just as an American, it made you feel good to go into the loser's locker room, especially if you were rooting for the other team, the winning team.
	It's important.
	It's important.
	There's more to it than just winning.
	Thank you.
	It's watching the other team lose.
	That's really part of the game.
	Yeah.
	No, but we're not allowed to have losers anymore.
	I keep telling people a great new reality show, which, by the way, John, I'm sure you would watch, would be America Loves Losers!
	You'd watch that.
	Yeah, I would.
	But you know what?
	They would never make the show right.
	That's a show that you know would be so, you know, the suits, as they like to be called, would screw it up.
	So it would be a bad show.
	So I probably wouldn't watch it.
	I don't know.
	If you produced it and I was involved, then you had some good writers.
	We'd have some.
	Then it would have to be called America Loves Losers and Hookers.
	Because, you know, that's your mantra.
	Well, you have to...
	I've said it before, and it always is a fact.
	Letterman does it.
	You can throw in the word hookers because it's a really...
	For some reason, it's just a funny word.
	And it always gets a chuckle.
	It's a cheap joke is what it is.
	Hey, John, hold on one second.
	I think the kids turned on the download again.
	I swear to God, I bet you they did that.
	All right, go check it out.
	Do you think they would define me like that?
	I would.
	Hold on, don't move.
	Alright, you there?
	Yeah.
	Okay, well, indeed.
	It's funny, this shows you how kids don't understand stuff when it comes to the internet.
	So just before we started the show, I could tell on the Skype connection that someone was really...
	We're still in the old house, of course, with limited bandwidth, like a megabit down.
	And I go to the kids and I say, hey, you know, are you guys downloading something?
	You know, yeah, we're downloading a film.
	Okay, that's fine, but you have to stop for the next hour and a half because we're doing the show.
	And of course, even then I got grief.
	No, stop.
	And I could tell that something was going on because you started to warble.
	And so I go downstairs and I ask you guys not to download.
	No, but it's just a YouTube clip.
	Okay.
	They don't seem to understand.
	It's just YouTube.
	That's not downloading.
	No, it's not.
	You should go and turn off the machine.
	Yeah.
	They're still doing it anyway.
	It's okay.
	It'll last.
	So, well, let's talk about that topic.
	I did a column for PC Magazine.
	People can look it up.
	It's called Liars, Cheaters, and Thieves.
	And it's about that study that showed that kids are...
	Liars, cheaters, and thieves.
	Exactly.
	Great article.
	How many words was it?
	20?
	So I got this note from this guy, Mike Johnson, and I'm going to read it.
	Because it's a very interesting thing.
	I don't know quite what to do with this information.
	It's got a column written all over it, but I'm not sure really.
	But you'll see.
	John, I just wanted to share this with you in regard to your PC Magazine article, Liars, Cheaters, and Thieves, and I hope you find it of interest.
	In 1987, I worked for Technical Studies and Analysis, which was a private contractor working at the Cheyenne Mountain Project in Colorado Springs.
	While working there, one colonel, whom I thought was an intelligent man, told me several times during discussions about education of incidents that took place in the White House during Lyndon Johnson's administration.
	The colonel's name was Bill Yeltsin, and he had been the liaison for the Joint Chiefs of Staff to the Oval Office during Lyndon Johnson's administration.
	So he spent a lot of time at the White House in the Oval Office.
	Bill told me that the Joint Chiefs of Staff were called to the Oval Office three times during Lyndon Johnson's administration to be told that Johnson was going to declare martial law, suspending the Constitution because of the riots and demonstrations on college campuses in the United States. suspending the Constitution because of the riots and demonstrations on Bill also told me that it was the Joint Chiefs of Staff that talked Johnson out of it all three times.
	The result of the ensuing discussion was the conclusion that an educated population cannot be controlled and the United States should get out of the business of educating the population.
	Ha!
	This brilliant decision was made in 1967, and the SAT scores for college entrance exams peaked in 1969 and have been in decline ever since.
	Yeah, they just changed the scale.
	They changed the scale, John.
	But to make it look good.
	Of course, the Nixon administration had no problem embracing this philosophy, and the results are history and indirectly the George Bush administration.
	Anyway, it goes on.
	You know, it's so nice to hear that someone from my audience is also paying attention to what you're doing.
	Yeah.
	Because that is so on the money.
	It is so absolutely right.
	You know, this administration has threatened martial law to Congress when they were on the bailout bill.
	Right.
	Like, if you guys don't put this through, there's going to be martial law.
	They'll be fighting in the streets.
	And, of course, they were right because it's happening now worldwide.
	Have you been following Greece, my friend?
	Sure.
	Yeah, Greece is a mess.
	It's all over.
	You know, the funny thing is, it's interesting to me, this, by the way, what took place in the late 60s during the various cities that had riots, the Detroit riots were the most notable.
	But they happened in Oakland and other places around the country.
	And for the people who don't know about the Detroit riots, this was about housing.
	Well, you know, the way these things happen, and I think the Greece situation is exactly the same, is there's a pent-up hostility.
	And then something happens.
	And then there's a triggering mechanism.
	And the triggering mechanisms, you know, people keep focusing on it when it's not really what caused it.
	And the triggering mechanism in Greece was, I guess, some...
	Fifteen-year-old boy got shot by police and killed.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	That was the trigger.
	But the people are, you know, they've got pitchforks and torches out in front of government.
	Yeah.
	And Belgium?
	Do you follow what happened in Belgium?
	No, I'm not on that one.
	Oh, this is fantastic.
	So they've had a huge issue with their government, with their parliament in general for the past night.
	They actually had no government for several months.
	And this is an inherent problem in the region between the Flemish-speaking people The Dutch population of Belgium and the French-speaking population.
	And they hate each other.
	And I'm not kidding.
	They absolutely, for whatever reason, they just hate each other.
	The Wallonians and the Flemish.
	And so we had this huge nationalization of the Fortis Bank, which is half Belgian, half Dutch, and was subsequently nationalized partially by the Dutch government, partially by the Belgian government.
	And they tried to pull a fast one.
	What they wanted to do is sell Fortis, which now was owned by the people, by the governments.
	They wanted to sell it to the BNP bank.
	But they did it without consulting the shareholders, who of course were in the tank.
	It was like, I don't know, 30 euros a share or whatever half a year ago, and now it's a euro a share.
	They didn't consult the shareholders, and of course there was a revolt among shareholders, but what happened is it turns out the Prime Minister and the Minister of Justice obstructed justice by trying to, you know, it's not quite clear what they did, but they obstructed justice to make this merger go through.
	And then there was essentially an intervention and it got stopped, which of course now makes the sale impossible.
	It screws up two banks.
	But the population is outraged and they're starting fires in the streets.
	They're like, you know, you guys don't love us.
	Which, big surprise, your government doesn't love you, Belgium.
	Yeah.
	When will people wake up?
	Hey, they had one of those photo booths at the airport, at Schiphol Airport.
	The ones that takes the picture of you naked?
	Tell me about this.
	Yeah, I'm sure you've seen the pictures, haven't you?
	No, I don't know anything about it.
	I'm completely out of the loop.
	Oh, come on, man.
	And so you have these newfangled security devices, and there's two now when you go to the EasyJet gate.
	The old-fashioned, put it through the X-ray walk.
	What airport is this again?
	Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam.
	Okay.
	A very modern, you know, of course...
	Oh, right, I've been there.
	It's a gorgeous airport.
	It's one of the prettiest airports I've ever been to.
	Yeah, owned by the government.
	And so you have the old-fashioned put your shit through the x-ray and then walk through the metal detector.
	Take off your shoes, of course, and everything you have stripped down.
	And now on the left-hand side, you still have the x-ray for your bag, but then you go into a booth.
	It's a clear booth.
	You turn 90 degrees facing towards a wall.
	You put your hands up above your head.
	It's the weirdest...
	Because, you know, it looks like you're surrendering.
	Which, of course, is exactly what you're doing.
	You are.
	It's just very symbolic.
	And they have a little monitor showing you what's happening, right?
	So there's a picture taken, and then you see all these wires, and there's a back office.
	And that's where people are looking to see what you're wearing.
	They don't actually show the picture, but if you Google it on the Internet, you'll see that pretty much it looks like you're naked.
	That's pretty much what they're seeing there.
	Sounds like a pretty interesting job to have.
	Well, particularly, you know, so my wife is a celebrity.
	And she said, I'm not going to walk through that.
	And I said, well, no, not today because you have a choice, but tomorrow.
	And it was funny because I learned something else about my wife.
	She's starting to wake up a little bit.
	Because here's a trick I do, and here's something I advise to you that will make you feel much better and probably not get you in jail.
	When you're at the airport...
	Now, this is what I find.
	In the States it happens a lot, but it was happening at Amsterdam, Schiphol Airport.
	The security personnel, so that would be TSA in the States, they bark at you.
	And they bark commands, and it's offensive the way it comes across.
	I've learned that if you speak to them in exact, and it's not easy to do, because you've got to practice, but if you speak back at them in exactly the same tone and volume as they're speaking to you, it really sets them back.
	And so I have my little computer bag.
	There's no computer in it.
	Only a netbook would fit into it, but I kind of like it, so I just put my passport and stuff in there.
	And I put it on the x-ray belt, and this woman who has just been barking was like, Take your laptop out, sir!
	And I went, There's no laptop in there!
	And you could see her step back three steps.
	And she's like, What are you talking about?
	And my wife actually steps in and she says, You are just rude.
	You're just barking at people.
	Why do you do that?
	Why do you have to bark at people?
	Just talk to them in a civil tone of voice.
	But I've started doing this, and it's a lot of fun.
	You know, the people that have little plastic baggies, they have these at Heathrow, they have yellow shirts on, and they have plastic bags, and this is where you're supposed to put your liquids in there.
	And they're literally like, Do you have any liquids?
	Do you need a plastic bag?
	And I can't help myself.
	I'm like, No, I don't.
	I do not need a plastic bag.
	I need no liquids.
	And you can see, and they're freaked out.
	And some of them actually realize, crap, you know, I'm talking like a fucking idiot.
	So anyway, that's a tip of the day.
	And I was very happy to see my wife just step up there for a moment and say, hey, you know, dude, chill the fuck out.
	People are crazy.
	Give someone a badge and they turn into a Nazi.
	Yeah, it's the old rule.
	And while you're at that top, there's a couple good books that people should read.
	One of them is Sinclair Lewis's It Can't Happen Here, which actually describes this situation, the badge turning people into Nazis.
	Let me write this down.
	Hold on a second.
	Let me just write it down.
	It'll be important for Bubba as well.
	Is Sinclair who?
	Sinclair Lewis, the famous Nobel Prize winning novelist who did most of his good work in the 20s.
	Well, you know, since Al Gore won it, the Nobel Peace Prize means shit.
	No, that's different.
	I'm talking about the Nobel Prize for literature, not the Nobel Peace Prize.
	The Nobel Prizes are done in Sweden.
	The Nobel Peace Prize is done in Norway, and it's a different group.
	It's totally different.
	Oh, okay.
	People don't understand that.
	Okay, Sinclair Lewis, it can't happen here.
	Sounds great.
	Sounds like a throwback to Nazi Germany.
	Great book.
	And then there's a book.
	I can't remember the name of the author.
	It's Chinese.
	It's a very interesting book to read.
	In fact, it was banned, I think, in China.
	And it was a bestseller in Hong Kong and most of Asia called Life and Death in Shanghai.
	Okay, Life and Death in Shanghai.
	And Life and Death in Shanghai is one of the most chilling accounts of people and how they, you know, this was during the turnover of Shanghai as it went communist and actually the whole era of Shanghai around World War II and before and after, I think, a little bit.
	But it's just a hair-raising.
	Excellent book to read.
	And it's so funny you say that because, you know, I often equate the situation, the scenario that we're into, you know, very much what happened in World War II. You know, we had a lot of, you know, the economic conditions turned out to be the same.
	We had a lot of luxury and society gossip.
	And then this guy rose up.
	And then, of course, you know, there was...
	The true fascism integration of corporations and government.
	And so when I equate what's happening with Obama to Hitler, Patricia will say, hey man, you shouldn't say that because he was a really bad dude.
	But the whole point is, no one said anything then.
	And that was the whole problem.
	If someone had stepped up, then maybe it would have stopped.
	Well, I'm not going to go as far as to equate Obama with Hitler until I see the signs.
	And I was with somebody the other day who I believe is a...
	He says he's not, but I think he's an economic hitman.
	And so I'm walking down the street, and I noticed that if you go to the Fifth and Mission garage in San Francisco, and you look down Fifth, way down there is a building with a poster.
	Because of these new inkjet printers, they're printing these billboards the size of, you know, the unbelievable size of a building.
	and so I saw it it was a gap ad or something it's huge but I pointed and said you know two years from now it's going to be a big picture of Obama's head with our glorious leader yeah war is peace War is peace.
	Right.
	But you know where that's from, don't you?
	Yeah, 1984, I think.
	Okay, just checking.
	But anyway, at least he's bringing change, voting alongside President Bush.
	How does this work?
	The Senate said no bailout for the car companies, and then the President said, oh, here's the money.
	How does that work?
	Is government no longer necessary?
	I don't know.
	I don't know how any of this works anymore.
	He said they still had like $15 billion left from the first tranche of the TARP Troubled Asset Relief Program.
	And so now they're taking $14.6 of that $15 billion.
	I guess $400 million is necessary for some country or state somewhere.
	Some more banker bonuses.
	So $14.6 billion and appropriating that towards the bailout.
	I don't understand.
	Since when is a car company...
	How can I qualify as a bank?
	Well, General Motors does because they used to do their own financing, GMAC. Right, but that would mean it would go to GMAC and not the actual production part of the company because it's two separate companies.
	I know, I know.
	You know, as far as I can tell, this is the best example of creative bookkeeping that we've ever seen in the history of the United States.
	And then, of course, we had the other thing that we didn't talk about last week.
	If we did, we didn't talk much about it.
	The Bernie...
	Bernie Madden.
	Madden?
	Not Madden.
	Maddo.
	Maddo.
	Maddo, whatever.
	Yeah, the Ponzi scheme guy.
	What do you mean?
	We talked about it at great length.
	Did we?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, sure we did.
	Thanks for listening.
	Thanks for being a part of the show.
	Really enjoy your presence.
	So...
	So this has been going on since 1970 with this guy.
	Yeah, I know.
	It's really amazing.
	You have to give the guy, you know...
	But don't people now understand that this is exactly how Wall Street works?
	And clearly the game is up for everybody.
	And it's just all collapsing on top of itself.
	And this behavior, this lying, like Goldman Sachs saying, oil going to 200, and then, you know, now we've got to reverse it around.
	It's down to 38 bucks at barrel.
	Yeah.
	But they tell you red, and then they bet on black.
	That's the way it is.
	And the Ponzi scheme part...
	Isn't that exactly what derivatives is all about?
	Yeah, it seems so.
	Hey, by the way, before we go too far in the show, I want to do a shout-out to two of our listeners who gave us access to their sling boxes.
	Ah, yes.
	One is Justin Sloan in Hawaii.
	And by the way, if you haven't checked in on the Hawaii news, they got a sportscaster on one of the stations that the guy is the size of five people.
	These Polynesians, especially Samoans, they're just big.
	And I'm not talking about, you know, just not that big, big.
	They're usually the guys you see on Dog the Bounty Hunter.
	Yeah, right, exactly.
	Huge!
	This guy's so big, it's like, oh my god.
	Anyway, our other pal is Andrew Thompson out of Detroit, which gives us a little access to a couple of Canadian channels, which now we need to get some international people to cough up a serial number for us.
	It's really cool, though, because people just send the serial numbers and say, hey, go ahead, play around with it, and I love it.
	You know, it's like we've discovered sliced bread here.
	I mean, these sling boxes have been around for a while, but to have this type of little community is cool, especially when we're the sole benefactors of it.
	Well, it also works for us because, for one thing, both these guys, I guess like you, by the way, your channels, you know, you've got to fix that, or I guess when you move, never mind.
	When I move, I'm going to fix it, yeah, because you can't switch.
	It's always stuck on the TV guide, and I can't change the channel.
	It's always stuck on whatever my wife wants to want.
	He doesn't have the program guide hooked up, but he does have the channel selector, so you can go look it up on Yahoo TV or something and see what's on what channel, and you can just change the channel.
	I think it's very cool, and what's cool about the fact that you and I are on different time schedules, so we probably don't bump into each other if we're actually scanning one of these boxes.
	No, it doesn't conflict, exactly.
	No, it's cool.
	And I thoroughly enjoy it because I just love, particularly public access channels, any C-SPAN type program I really like.
	Right, and the local ones, you can't, you know, somebody sent us a note saying, well, you know, you could get a lot of these things on the internet, you know, just go directly and they have streaming.
	It's not quite the same.
	It's going to some, it's like being in Detroit and then It's like if you were in a hotel room, I guess.
	And having full access to the whole cable system...
	Seeing the wacky stuff and watching the local news is actually quite entertaining.
	The local news is fantastic.
	That's why I think it's really good.
	If we had a big setup, a bunch of these things all over the country and England and wherever, so we could get...
	There's nothing better, for example, say there's a disaster in Raleigh, North Carolina.
	It would be cool to watch the local news coverage of it rather than what we get, which is just watered down and some freelance correspondent.
	By the way, speaking of that, did you hear that 4C cables were cut once again?
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	No, I didn't.
	I was reading...
	Hold on a second.
	Let me just find it.
	This was...
	It just happened today.
	Hold on.
	I'm just getting situated.
	I don't know where I read that.
	I'm sure someone posted it onto my drop site, so I'll bring that up.
	Yeah, it's apparently all traffic to India was like...
	80% was cut off...
	I'll get the details that's coming up.
	It's a little bit slow.
	Oh, here it comes.
	Hold on.
	It's a little bit slow.
	Usually, I wonder what the backstory is on this one.
	They came up with the other one.
	It was just an accident.
	Oh, right.
	Here we go.
	Undersea cables cut.
	14 countries lose access.
	Oh, this is from Wired.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	Reports from the Mediterranean indicate that two of the undersea cables severed and repaired earlier this year have been cut again, disrupting internet access and phone service between the Middle East, Europe, and parts of Asia.
	An additional third cable is down in the same region.
	Hmm.
	The so-called see-me-we-4 cable, whatever.
	Interesting.
	Middle East involved yet again.
	Yes.
	France Telecom report listed 14 countries affected.
	Wait, that's a link.
	14 countries affected by the current problem.
	The Maldives are 100% down.
	Well...
	There you go.
	Here we go.
	Saudi Arabia, 50% out of service.
	Djibouti, 71%.
	Egypt, 52%.
	United Arab Emirates, 68% out of service.
	And I'm not quite sure how they're measuring that.
	India, so they're doing packet pings or whatever?
	I have no idea.
	Yeah, 82% of packets dropped, I'll just presume.
	Lebanon, Malaysia, Maldives, Pakistan, Qatar, Syria, Taiwan, Yemen, and Zambia.
	At the same time Russian warships pull into harbor in Cuba...
	You did know that, didn't you?
	Do they have any news there?
	Do you know what day it is in America?
	There's a couple things.
	One, we do have a lot of news.
	Nicole Kidman got herself here, got her tit in the ringer, for playing a didgeridoo, which apparently is not supposed to be played by women because it makes them infertile, according to legend.
	And then something Britney Spears, I guess, was...
	In the news for something or other, that pretty much covers what we're dealing with here.
	Excellent.
	Yeah, it's almost like a replay, man.
	That's what people in Europe are saying.
	It's like, wow, isn't that just kind of like Kennedy?
	Early in his administration, you got the Cuban Missile Crisis, and now an actual Russian warship is now at port in Cuba.
	I think they're only there for one reason.
	The cigars?
	Hookers.
	I should have known.
	It's a crazy-ass world.
	Crazy, crazy-ass world.
	Yeah, obviously they're doing some saber-rattling to try to keep that missile shield out of Poland or whatever.
	Well, that ain't going to happen.
	That's going up.
	I don't know.
	I think Obama's going to find an excuse not to put it there.
	Oh, please.
	Oh, please.
	No way.
	It's just an expensive waste of money.
	Yeah.
	Well, somehow I doubt that he's going to stop that.
	I really can't see.
	And if so, then it's just a small piece of the aggression towards that entire region with the troop movements we're putting in there.
	So, well, maybe...
	Well, we'll see.
	I'm giving the guy a pass.
	Benefit of the doubt?
	Oh.
	Yeah, I'm giving him a pass, a benefit of the doubt.
	Everybody's all over this character, but from both sides of the aisle, I mean, the entire, like, all the left-wingers out here, including the crazy mayor we've got over here in San Francisco, came out and moaned and groaned about Obama, who Obama picked for the convocation.
	What's the convocation?
	What's the convocation?
	The convocation is, you know, when he's going to get, it's a guy who gives a prayer.
	Oh, you mean, oh yeah, it's a controversial guy or whatever?
	He's just one of these, you know, megachurch guys or evangelists or whatever he is.
	And, you know, he said he doesn't think much.
	He was, I guess, one of the guys that was for Proposition 8 in California, you know, the gay marriage amendment.
	Oh, okay, right, right, right.
	And so because of that, you know, he's no good.
	So they're fussing at Obama for that.
	And I guess they're fussing at him for a bunch of other stuff he's doing.
	Of course, all the right-wing talk show guys are convinced that Obama is Hitler.
	And the next thing you know, we're all going to be wearing brown shirts.
	And of course, there is that issue with Obama wanting to have that civilian army.
	Of a million people.
	Yeah, that's pretty weird.
	But I think he's going to be too busy.
	I think every American has to do 50 hours of community service.
	Per year?
	That's different, though.
	There's another one he's going to do, like a military.
	You know, brown shirts, essentially.
	Well, but it's already starting.
	We now have, for the Christmas season, we're going to have DUI checkpoints armed by military.
	For training purposes only, of course.
	Where's this?
	In California, dude!
	Well, I'll tell you one thing that's weird.
	Up in Washington, because now they've declared the border areas of the United States to be To include one, it's like a 100 mile from the borders is called the border area.
	It's a start.
	Yeah.
	In other words, everything in the country except for Wyoming and North Dakota and South Dakota is a border area.
	Actually, North Dakota is.
	I'm sorry.
	South Dakota.
	So up in Port Angeles where I'm headed, so I'm going to have a white Christmas.
	It's snowing up there.
	It's going to be good for a laugh.
	Apparently, they're called Border Patrol.
	They've got some new border agency or some bull that actually turns out to be Homeland Security, and they gave them a different title.
	Yeah, and they're doing illegal search and seizure.
	Yeah, they're stopping people left and right for no apparent reason and making them open their trunk.
	They're acting like cops, but they have no police power, or they do.
	I don't know what the deal is.
	They're crazy.
	Yeah, but this is all coming from the Northern Command as well, which was set up by, I think Clinton set up the Northern Command, didn't he?
	Could be.
	In case of basically the precursor to martial law.
	But yeah, there's three or four, maybe even five battalions now in California.
	They're going to be doing DUI checkpoints.
	Where did you get this story?
	From the news.
	You didn't notice?
	What newspaper are you reading?
	The Independent or the Telegraph?
	I mean, where's it going?
	Actually, this came from the Army Times, I think.
	It's from their own fucking publication.
	It seems to me that this is not being played up very much.
	I mean, I'm living in the Berkeley area, for God's sake.
	There should be riots in the street.
	These people are rioting over gay marriage.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Thank you.
	That's my point, as always.
	They're rioting about fraud on Strictly Come Dancing.
	Exactly.
	We're doomed.
	I can find it for you if you want.
	I'm taking your side now.
	If I see one military guy stopping anybody for any reason during this holiday season, then I'm going to not argue with you anymore.
	Will you then do a daily show with me and we'll just go full force against the New World Order, John?
	No.
	Until we're killed.
	Yeah, well, that's what I tell my wife.
	I said, here's who you call.
	Here's all the information.
	And please don't let anyone tell you that it was suicide by cop.
	That's bullshit.
	That's not suicide.
	He was depressed.
	That's what they did with the guy in Guilford.
	They're literally calling, it was suicide by cop.
	You know, because he was so depressed, he took a fake gun and waved it at the police so he could get killed.
	And it wouldn't shoot.
	It wouldn't even make a noise.
	Suicide by cop.
	Yeah, well, this is going to happen.
	I'm looking up, I'm trying to find a good article for you.
	Well, the Army Times, I should look at it more often for the blog, because it's got good material in it.
	Well, this is where I learned about it first.
	Are you looking at it, Army Times?
	No, I'm not.
	Hold on, I want to find it for you.
	Yeah, man, this is completely...
	So, for those of you who don't live in America, and for many of you who do, there is something called the Posse Comitatus Act.
	Which specifically forbids, except under special circumstances...
	I think it's part of the Constitution.
	It's part of the Constitution.
	I'm sorry, you're right.
	It's part of the Constitution.
	It forbids the army being used against American citizens.
	Unless special circumstances voted by Congress, and of course, with all the executive orders Bush put into place, it can basically now just happen.
	It can just take place.
	This is interesting.
	The top story in Army Times is special ops surge sparks debate.
	Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who's going to be working for Obama, is obviously working for him now because he plans to deploy three additional combat brigades to Afghanistan.
	That's not going to work, by the way.
	What's not going to work?
	Anything.
	But they're only in Afghanistan as a base.
	They've got to get out of there.
	They're not.
	They're going to stay there forever.
	They love it.
	Did you see the picture of Bush hugging Karzai?
	No.
	Dude...
	Were they kissing?
	Almost.
	Almost.
	But he had his hand on his neck and the back of his neck, you know, really pushing his face against his.
	It was kind of creepy.
	Of course, it's just a snapshot.
	It's taken out of...
	I have a photo.
	I've got to put this on the blog.
	I'm going to have to dig it up.
	Unfortunately, I take so many pictures.
	I have a lot of material that just starts disappearing into the ether.
	I have something like...
	I think I'm up to...
	Some outrageous number.
	Like I said, three, four hundred gigabytes of photos.
	It's horrible.
	Anyway, I have this picture.
	During the convention, there was when Obama was giving us, during the convention when he got his numbers or whatever, and Biden came out on the stage with his wife, and Obama gave Biden's wife a big kiss.
	And on the lips, I believe.
	Oh, hot.
	I'm surprised somebody didn't make a fuss about that, but they didn't.
	But what they should have made a fuss about was later, I think Biden gave a speech or something, and his daughters came out, and he grabbed one of his daughters by...
	I have the picture, because I took it off the thing, off the screen.
	He grabbed her head and then gave her a big wet one on the lips.
	That's kind of wrong.
	I looked at this.
	I tell you, when you see the picture, you go, what is wrong with this picture?
	Yeah, that just feels wrong.
	It was like a passionate kiss.
	I'm going, oh my God.
	And I don't know why I didn't blog it right away, but I think it was one of those busy.
	Some of the stuff falls by the way.
	So I'm going to try to dig that up because I'm still shaking my head about it.
	So I don't see anything here on Army Times about the...
	Okay, I'm looking at DUI, Army Post.
	So I like to call him the Sergeant Shopper.
	That's great.
	Okay, here we go.
	What is this from?
	This is from...
	What I'm looking for is I'm looking for like a serious...
	Like a mainstream publication so I don't get one of those, oh, it's just a conspiracy theory nutters.
	And of course, military police assisting, civilian police DUI checkpoints.
	I'm just trying to find a good one.
	I'll find it.
	It's out there.
	I mean, with a little bit of research.
	So anyway, it'll be nice to have you over on our side, John.
	I cannot wait.
	Very exciting.
	I wonder if one of my bloggers may have blogged that.
	Oh, I'm sure they have.
	The conversation about this has been going on for weeks now, ever since it was first announced in the Army Times that they were now positioning these 5,000 to 20,000 troop-strong battalions in the States.
	And these are guys and gals who just came out of Iraq.
	They've done some serious time.
	Yeah, we don't need those guys floating around, trigger happy.
	Right, so I just want to repeat, you said that if the Army is involved in DUI checkpoints...
	No, I said if I see...
	Oh, if you see, yeah, keep going.
	...a military guy at a roads block somewhere checking for DUI, then I'm on your side.
	No, then, what I said exactly was then I'm not going to argue with you anymore.
	Yeah, no, but I think...
	Which will make the show really interesting, by the way, but...
	I'm not worried about it.
	Hearts are breaking nationwide.
	I can hear it.
	Anyway, so that's...
	Nobody picked it up.
	Of course not.
	It might be...
	Bubba may have had it over on the cage match.
	They have a lot of other stuff over there.
	The thing is, if I start surfing websites...
	Never mind.
	I don't want to do that.
	I don't want to do that.
	But something else that you may or may not have heard about...
	There's this thing going on with Earth's magnetic field and the distance of space to the Earth.
	Have you been following any of that?
	Yeah, well, that's been...
	Actually, I think there was even a nova that was talking about the Earth's magnetic field.
	It's expected this to...
	You know, it's apparently in the mode of about to change poles.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it may take a thousand years to do it, but in the process of changing and recharging itself, because we need that magnetic field, that's what keeps us from becoming Mars.
	Yeah, right.
	Because the cosmic rays are buffered.
	You know, it's like a buffer.
	Anyway, it's a...
	It's like a machine that keeps us from getting killed.
	But it seems to be having all kinds of weirdness going on right now with little hot spots of magnetism in an area where there's no magnetism and it's, you know, I guess something's going on.
	NASA's five Themis spacecraft have discovered a breach in Earth's magnetic field ten times larger than anything previously thought to exist.
	Solar wind can flow in through the opening to load up the magnetosphere for powerful geomagnetic storms.
	Which, by the way, we had one in, I want to say, 97, 98.
	Do you remember that?
	When it knocked out all the satellites and pagers stopped working and cell phones crapped out and there was no more satellite television.
	Don't you remember that?
	No.
	I remember the discussion about it, but my remembrance of it was not that much happened, at least around here.
	Well, in New York it was a big deal because pagers were pretty important at the time.
	And cell phones were not really prolific for some reason.
	They were too expensive.
	Yeah, that would probably have been a part of it.
	So I don't know what that means, but a lot of 2012 people are jumping on the stories.
	Oh, those 2012 people.
	Those are the worst.
	Be careful now.
	What happens in 2013?
	This is the thing that's going to, you know, it's just around the corner, so I'm actually looking forward to it.
	What happens in 2013?
	I'll tell you exactly what happens.
	All these 2012 people are going to go on with this.
	I think the calculation, there's something in there with a math problem.
	It wasn't quite right.
	They're going to come up with another date.
	It wasn't quite right.
	I mean, this is all these doomsday people.
	They always have their fixed date.
	They always make it too close to when they're still alive so the people can rip them about it.
	And so it's always just around the corner.
	So then it comes and goes.
	I mean, we're supposed to have the end of the world in 2000, if anybody remembers that.
	And then it comes and goes, and then they're contrite about it, or they come up with some other bogus reason.
	But they usually lose about 70% of their followers because it's bogus.
	And then the 30% that stick around build a new group with some other phony baloney doomsday date.
	It's a club for getting laid, let's face it.
	Let me just see if I can find some of those members.
	The basis of the 2012 conversation, of course, is that the Mayan calendar actually ends then, and we usher in the age of Aquarius.
	There's a little more to it than just people picking a date.
	Yeah, right.
	I just picked up the calendar today from the Mechanics Bank.
	Hey, guess what?
	It ends at the end of 2009.
	Yeah.
	Well, does that mean it's the end of the world?
	No, it means a calendar.
	I've got to get a new calendar.
	Yeah, but the Mayans had all kinds of magic powers, dude.
	Yeah.
	They had mathematical rules.
	That's why they got killed off by a bunch of dumb Spaniards.
	We're making friends left and right.
	I do like the office of the President-Elect announcing Tom Vilsack as Secretary of Agriculture.
	This guy is, well, he basically, he campaigned using the Monsanto private jet.
	Oh, is that right?
	Yeah, he's a major GMO guy.
	Are you kidding?
	No!
	Tom Vilsack, look it up.
	And there was something else I found about Vilsack, which is related to Hillary Clinton, which is interesting, an article from March 2007, Democratic presidential contender Hillary Clinton has agreed to help the one-time candidate who endorsed her on Monday as he seeks to retire a campaign debt of more than $400,000.
	And all of a sudden you're thinking, hmm, could that be related to his appointment?
	Hmm.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So Monsanto's in the White House already.
	Is that what you're telling me?
	Yes, Monsanto's.
	Of course they are.
	Yeah, I've been doing a lot of reading about GMO, and it's kind of freaking me out.
	Genetically modified...
	Organism, I guess, is what it's for.
	Franken food.
	Yeah, frankenfood.
	So what they do is, particularly with corn, which corn isn't just about everything we eat, directly or indirectly.
	We're a corn culture.
	We are a corn culture.
	They take a.22 caliber, either shotgun, but a.22 caliber bullet...
	And they jam in there, I'm going to say it wrong, either the actual gene or the protein, the part of the DNA of a pesticide, and they shoot it into the grain, or into the seed, and then through some magical explosive process, a protein develops so that this corn can be sprayed with pesticide, They call it herbicide to make it sound more friendly.
	So that the corn will then grow without...
	I think it is an herbicide.
	It is an herbicide because it kills weeds, you're right.
	It is an herbicide.
	So it's killing other plants, but it's genetically modified so that it won't die.
	The corn is, right.
	But they feed this corn to laboratory rats and 50% of them die.
	Probably not healthy corn.
	No, but it's in pretty much everything these days.
	And of course, as we've identified, you turned me on to this story months ago, with the seed actually spreads to the farmers next door.
	Contaminates everything.
	Contaminates, and it's not just a problem that is then contaminated and it's genetically modified, but then Monsanto comes up and says, hey, excuse me, we own the patent on that.
	That's our seed.
	Either you pay us for it or we're going to destroy your crop.
	Because they own it.
	They've patented it.
	They own food.
	And that is now indeed in the White House.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's good news.
	Thanks for that.
	Sure.
	I've got many more.
	No, that's okay.
	Now, and that whole...
	Let me go back to the Nicole Kidman story.
	That Australia movie is just wonderful.
	And by the way, isn't she barren?
	I thought that was the whole reason that Tom Cruise got rid of her.
	Because she was blowing that didgeridoo and she couldn't have kids.
	It's possible.
	She might be barren.
	I think so.
	It's a horrible way to...
	Is that the correct term?
	Yeah, no, that's the right term.
	I mean, nobody uses that word anymore.
	I'm surprised you did it.
	But it's got to be the worst thing for a woman to...
	You know, it's like, you know, a chicken that can't lay an egg kind of thing.
	But it's like...
	I mean, it can't be a pleasant situation to be barren.
	It's like being sterile.
	You know, guys who don't have enough...
	Their sperm count's not what it should be.
	They're shooting with blanks, they used to always call it.
	Yeah.
	Now, barren is...
	I think that's probably old English, even.
	I remember it from the Oneiden line, which was a fantastic series I'm sure you've never seen.
	But it was 17, 1800s England, and they would talk about, she is barren.
	And that was shameful.
	If you were barren, you were no good.
	So, anyways, yeah, maybe she's been blowing that thing too long.
	I mean, maybe there's something to it.
	Who knows?
	Because the funny thing about the didgeridoo is that it may, which I think is, everyone, you see these things, I don't know if anybody knows, but this is a long pipe that's got a, I don't know what's even inside the thing.
	It's like a string or something.
	And you make a sound into it, and it makes a crappy noise.
	It's more like...
	Yeah, that's pretty close.
	And you've run into these guys with these things, because if someone goes to Australia, they're in the subways of New York, and I think I've seen one in London, playing the thing with the hat out for donations, like you should give them money for this.
	And I just find it to be an obnoxious instrument, but it gives off such a weird sound that I could see where it could have some...
	There you go.
	That's actually the kangaroo hop is what that one's called.
	Yeah.
	So, anyway, that is the didgeridoo.
	I know where you got that clip, but good one.
	From the Didgeridoo Sound Clips archive, of course.
	It's annoying.
	It's an obnoxious instrument.
	You should be cursed by barrenness if you say that.
	So the only thing that sounds worse than that is a bagpipe.
	Oh boy, don't make me do that.
	I am not, I repeat, not going to play bagpipes on the show.
	Not a good idea.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, so...
	Did you get a flu shot this year?
	Yeah, I always get a flu shot.
	Oh, good.
	And besides all the mercury that now is in your body, it is interesting to note that, and this is from Reuters, of the 50 samples they tested the current flu on, 49 failed.
	The virus failed.
	Yeah, that's why I always carry, and I tell people this, and I might as well discuss it right now, because one of my friends had the flu the other day, and she didn't do this because she didn't know.
	I actually sent a memo around last year to the Mevio staff discussing it, and I always travel.
	Wait, you're actually promoting flu shots?
	No, I always travel with Tamiflu.
	Right, so Tamiflu is the stuff that's not working.
	That's exactly what the article says.
	Tamiflu is not working against this.
	Tamiflu?
	It says Tamiflu is not working?
	Yes, it does.
	It says Tamiflu is not working.
	All right, then I can take it one step further.
	First, let me describe what Tamiflu does.
	It was expected, by the way, because there used to be a thing called flumidine or something like that that was a precursor to Tamiflu, and it stopped working about five years ago just out of the blue.
	You've got a prescription that doesn't do anything, just for no known reason.
	And so everyone was expecting that's what happened to Tamiflu.
	There's a fallback.
	Called Relenza.
	No, it's listed here as well as not working.
	No, Relenza doesn't work either?
	Yes, here it is.
	You've got to send me this link.
	Okay, here it comes.
	That's not good.
	Dude, so in China now, of course, there's another outbreak of the bird flu and they've got billions of dollars already spent on some BS, the thing they're going to want to inject you with.
	There's the link.
	Tamiflu.
	Blah, blah, blah, blah.
	A similar drug as Rolenza.
	Or...
	Wait, where's...
	They never tried it against Rolenza.
	They just say a similar drug and they're trying to pass it off.
	No, no, no.
	Read the...
	Read the article.
	I'm reading.
	Read the article.
	Where's it...
	Tamiflu alternatives.
	Yeah, remodidine is the one that doesn't work at all.
	You shouldn't be taking these shots at all, John.
	These are not shots.
	These are pills you take.
	Oh, the Tamiflu are pills.
	Yeah, don't take that either.
	Don't take any of that.
	Oh, you just get sick and die.
	Give me a break.
	I used Tamiflu when I had one time a couple years ago.
	In fact, they've used both of these.
	And they work great.
	And let me explain what they do.
	It's kind of interesting.
	I've used Tamiflu for a urinary tract infection.
	You did?
	I was prescribed with it.
	That's weird.
	Just saying.
	Anyway, I have a blog post on Relenza.
	Go to the Dvork.org slash blog and type in Relenza, R-E-L-E-N-Z-A. Instead of boring you stiff with it because you're just going to moan and groan about it.
	Don't take anything!
	Do not let the government...
	Anyway, Tamiflu works like a champ.
	Well, not according to this article on the current strain of flu.
	I think this is a bogus article.
	From Reuters.
	Okay, good.
	No, I think it's like they're trying to get you to get...
	CDC says there's still time for Americans to get a flu shot as the season usually peaks in February.
	That was the punchline to the story, the last paragraph.
	So what they're trying to do is get everyone...
	They got the huge stockpile of flu vaccine.
	They're giving shots at Costco.
	And, you know, after that fiasco from a few years ago, now they make too much of this stuff.
	And so they're trying to get rid of it.
	So that's what this is about.
	Okay, so my advice still holds and you'll back me up?
	Don't get injected by anything because it's not going to work anyway?
	Just get some Tamiflu?
	Is that what you're saying?
	No, I always get a flu shot.
	You're the first one to go, man.
	No, you'll see.
	Okay.
	I haven't had the flu ever since I started getting flu shots.
	I mean, except that one time when I had to use Tamiflu, what happened was the flu that was predicting, because these are predictive vaccines, there was something called the California flu that showed up.
	In the Bay Area, and I ended up getting it, and I used Tamiflu, and Tamiflu works great.
	Essentially, the way Tamiflu and Relenza work is that it stops the reproductive process of the flu that's in you, and whatever amount of symptoms you have, when you start taking these drugs, they stop, but you maintain those symptoms.
	So, for five days.
	But you don't get really sick and you can still go to work and you're not contagious and all the rest of it.
	But anyway, after five days, it gives your body enough time to actually produce its own flu shot.
	Because it builds up the antibodies against this little batch of flu that's still in you.
	And then when you get off the drug, you actually have a spike.
	It's really actually kind of an interesting experience.
	You have a spike of flu.
	It's just like, oh, the drug didn't work.
	It's the first thing you think of because you start getting really sick.
	And then it's almost like within hours.
	It just disappears.
	It's like your body says, oh, well, this is no good, and it just goes after this, and it just knocks it out instantly.
	It's actually the weirdest experience you'll ever have in terms of, like, you know, disease.
	And so I always travel with Tamba Flu, and my family has it all the time.
	We always have a batch with us, just in case.
	For a while there, it was said that that was going to be important for others.
	Couldn't it also shield you against radiation or something?
	It could help with that?
	I never heard any of this other stuff.
	I don't know about that then.
	Okay.
	I thought it was pretty well, you know, targeted.
	I don't know.
	Maybe it does other things against other viruses.
	I mean, it's antiviral, but I know it doesn't do anything against a cold.
	And, um...
	This article is kind of sketchy.
	International Monetary Fund Managing Director Dominique Strauss-Kahn has warned that advanced nations could face civil unrest during distressful economic times.
	Social unrest may happen in many countries, including advanced economies, if the economic crises are not properly dealt with.
	Basically, what we're seeing happening now.
	Yeah, it's pretty funny.
	How come that doesn't happen in America?
	How come people aren't just so pissed off and angry?
	Well, there's one main reason.
	We don't know anything.
	We've been dumbed down, like my article.
	We don't have any news.
	I mean, what is the top news?
	If I went and looked at the top news stories here, let's see, News U.S., Well, often it's listed, but there's only one score.
	Here I'm looking at the Reuters site.
	They had the phony Tamiflu story.
	Retailers hope for crowds and final holiday push.
	Top story.
	Pike Pakauer Foundation closes due to Madoff investment.
	A lot of...
	Charities are going broke.
	Yeah, we're going to see a lot of that.
	Then we have some blogs and the Greek police class with protesters.
	And then a puff piece on Obama, what a good guy he is.
	And I'm looking, looking, looking, looking, nothing.
	Phenomenal, isn't it?
	Oh, here's one.
	Wait, here's one.
	No, that's a Google ad.
	Actually, the more interesting news is in the Google ad page.
	Poll.
	China and India have made big strides in space in recent months, fueling talk of another race to land a man on the moon.
	Should the United States return to the moon?
	Yes?
	No.
	So let's put no and see what happens.
	Look at this.
	There's 42% yes and 58% no.
	See, now we don't even want to go to the moon.
	Ha ha!
	There's nothing here.
	Wait, let me go to the better news.
	Lifestyle.
	What are you looking at?
	This is Google?
	What are you looking at?
	This is the Reuters news site with all the top stories.
	Do they have anything about the internet tax that New York is going to charge now?
	Nothing about that.
	No, there's nothing like that.
	Well, maybe under politics.
	Let's see what politics reveals.
	By the way, one of their pages fell apart from bad CSS. Bush.
	Auto plan.
	Only way to stave off collapse.
	Of the world.
	Obama picks climate specialist as science advisor.
	Oh, don't even get me started on that one.
	Yeah.
	I think so.
	I haven't been able to find the link, but somewhere I read someone that said, Al Gore said, these colder periods are entirely indicative of global warming.
	Yeah.
	Oh, no way!
	I know, I get it.
	Every time we bring this up on the show quite a bit.
	I love doing it.
	I always get an email from somebody saying, it's natural to be colder during global warming.
	Yeah, of course it is.
	Makes nothing but sense.
	It's natural for it to be colder during global warming.
	Yes, I understand.
	I totally get it.
	So that is quite interesting.
	The guy who sent me the note also says global warming, climate change, they're trying to change the term themselves.
	It's going to result in really weird, erratic weather.
	And I'm thinking, because I don't know, I mean, if you start reading, because I did this as a project once, I read all the New York Times newspapers from about 1858 to about 1868.
	How long did that take you?
	It took a long time.
	It took a number of months.
	And...
	I was collecting stories.
	That may not have been the period.
	It might have been from 1868 to 1878, but it was during and around the Civil War.
	And I'm not sure.
	I think the Times was in business then.
	I think it was the time I was reading.
	I was looking at all these little articles.
	You read the originals, of course, when they came out in 1886.
	Of course.
	But my mom threw them away.
	So, anyway...
	So I'm reading this, and talk about erratic weather.
	I mean, if you start reading the history of weather in the United States, it's been erratic since day one.
	You know, storms of frogs.
	You know, there'd be something that happened in North Dakota.
	And it's just like rained frogs, you know, all over the place.
	And, you know, I guess there were frogs, and, you know, people who had this, you know, you couldn't get outside without stepping on a bunch of frogs that were raining down for some unknown reason.
	Nobody even knew where the frogs came from.
	I mean, I remember that one distinctly, Israel's head shaker.
	And there's all kinds of weird...
	Well, look at what happened to Mormon legend about those locusts.
	If you've ever seen one of those bugs, the big ones, the monsters.
	They're scary.
	The size of a rat.
	Yeah, they're scary.
	And apparently they came in, you know, in some weather situation, and they just gobbled up the state of Utah, which is still a desert.
	And, I mean, this is nothing new, this erratic weather we've had.
	And the biggest hurricanes we've had in the past.
	And there's that hurricane that hit Connecticut some, you know, around the turn of the century or sometime in the, you know, I think it was like, I can't remember the date, but it was 100 years ago.
	And...
	So this is bull.
	I mean, you know, right now it's snowing.
	In Vegas.
	In Vegas it's snowing.
	It's snowing in Vegas.
	Yeah, it's snowing in Vegas.
	This is just rough weather.
	It's what we have.
	It snows in Texas a lot, which really is weird.
	It never snows in the San Francisco Bay Area.
	Last time I think it was 1972, 1973.
	And it snowed a little bit.
	And that was the last we've seen of it.
	I remember being in Vegas when it snowed in the 90s, in December.
	A CES. Not CES. What was it?
	Comdex.
	Yeah, it may have snowed on a Comdex.
	It was a couple years ago it snowed.
	I was at the airport.
	As the snow started falling, and it was, I think, in January, it was during CES. It was cold.
	It never stuck, though.
	Let's just move off this topic for a second.
	Heard from the EasyJet flight attendant today.
	You'll love this.
	So you know that the big talk now in Europe and the UK is the parody, because the pound is now almost, it's like two cents difference equal to a euro.
	Wow.
	Yes, wow indeed.
	And so, on EasyJet, you can pay in sterling, as we say, or euros.
	And I had lots of euros, so I want to give her some euros, and she has to do the calculation, and I can see smoke come out of her ears, and I'm like, it's not that hard, it's almost the same.
	A euro is a pound.
	She says, isn't that amazing?
	I mean, why even bother going anywhere?
	Why travel anymore?
	People are so used to everything being cheap when they leave their country because the pound being so much more expensive or more valuable than any other monetary unit.
	Literally, that's coming out of a typical British person.
	Why bother traveling when the pound is equal to a euro?
	We can't get a bargain.
	That's funny.
	Can't get a bargain.
	It always used to be traditionally a buck and a half to a dollar for a pound, and it has fluctuated.
	I've never seen it as high as it did this last time.
	But that, combined with inflation over there, made it impossible to go to England.
	I mean, I won't go there.
	There's really nothing to do or to see, anyway.
	Once you've done the tower thing, that's kind of it.
	Have you been to the...
	I haven't been on the big...
	On the London Eye.
	Yeah, the Eye.
	The big spinning thing.
	Yeah.
	It's called the Eye?
	The London Eye.
	It takes an hour to go around it and it takes like an hour, right?
	No, no, no.
	It's not an hour.
	It's a good 20, 25 minutes.
	It's very slow.
	It's a big Ferris wheel.
	Yeah, Ferris wheel.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I've been on that.
	That would be a C-ticket ride at Disney.
	Oh really?
	Whatever the ticket is equal to the Mad Hatter's teacup.
	In fact, I think the Mad Hatter teacup is more exciting than the London Eye.
	So I probably don't want to bother with it.
	I think for taking pictures, it would be great.
	We can see the London Eye from our new place, which is kind of cool, at night.
	They light it up really nicely.
	It's a big plastic ball.
	It must be all scratched up.
	I'm sure you can't get a decent shot through that miserable plastic.
	It's interesting.
	I don't know.
	I wasn't taking serious pictures when I was on it, so I don't really remember.
	But no, I think it's doable.
	Hmm.
	Yeah, it's like capsules.
	So there was a Charlie Rose show last night that had Malcolm Gladwell...
	Who's that?
	He's the guy who wrote Tipping Point and some other book, and now he's got a new book out.
	He's just these little bitty books where he does a little research and comes to some crazy conclusions about one thing or another.
	Anyway, this last one he's done, and he's a real weird-looking character.
	I guess he's got some Jamaican in him, so he decides...
	He looks like just a regular, you know, kind of a big, you know, kind of a male model-ish jaw, you know, heavy on the jawbone facial features with an afro that is from the 1970s.
	It's just ridiculous.
	I mean, it looks like, you know, that picture that I use on my Skype, you know.
	Right, with the big ad, the colored afro, yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, anyway, he came out with a book on...
	On some research that actually my son had told me about about a year ago.
	And then Rose had another guy out with a similar book discussing the same research, which indicates there's no such thing as talent.
	And so I'm, you know, first my son tells me about it.
	Then I see back-to-back stories.
	About these two books saying that there's no such thing as talent.
	And I'm starting to immediately, it wouldn't have been bad if they had won.
	I would have kind of listened and had gone on to some other topic.
	But no, we have two in a row.
	And so I'm now thinking this is bull.
	There has to be some alternative reason for these two storylines to be, you know, why are we telling the public that there's no such thing as talent?
	What you have to do is work 10,000 hours to become an expert at anything or approximately 10 years.
	That's what the research says.
	Ah, okay, there, yeah.
	You're following where this might be.
	Yeah, I'm listening.
	Keep it coming.
	So I'm thinking, when I first heard about this, I said, yeah, fine.
	My son boiled it down by saying, if you wanted to be a pianist, or if you wanted to be a trumpet player, or if you wanted to be anything, if you wanted to spend ten years practicing a lot, you will be as good as you can be.
	You can't be any better, because you've got your time in, and this is as far as it's going to go.
	And so I immediately, because of this back-to-back propaganda show, I'm thinking...
	Alright, so there's obviously Bull.
	There's obviously something else going on.
	And I thought about a couple different things.
	Now, if it takes ten years to get any level of expertise on anything where you're actually super good, how does that explain Gore Vidal's best-selling novel that he wrote when he was 19?
	Was he practicing novel writing since the age of nine?
	I don't think so.
	And you remember this group, these two guitar players that came out of South America called Los Indios Tabaharis?
	These were two guys who found a guitar in the Amazon jungle.
	Yeah, I love it.
	And within a year, we're like on the tour around the world playing this amazing guitar.
	Where's the ten years?
	Where's the ten thousand hours?
	It's not there.
	So I'm thinking there's something, tracing this back to the argument about we don't want an educated public.
	We're going to, you know, let's set these goals, these 10,000 hour goals if you want to do a lot of work.
	Gladwell had an anecdote saying that people with really high IQs never normally made much of themselves, which is bull, by the way, also.
	But he, uh...
	Are you there?
	Yeah, I'm listening.
	I'm just listening to you.
	No, I'm sorry, because I just got a beep from you.
	No, no, no.
	I just sent you a link to the RME checkpoint.
	I'm sorry.
	Anyway, so Gladwell mentioned that the geniuses, probably, he said all these geniuses, people with really high IQs, he made the claim that once you have an IQ, this is unbelievable, once you had an IQ of 120, you're good to go.
	Ha!
	In other words, anything else is meaningless.
	It's no good.
	It's lame.
	You're just a loser.
	You're just a loser.
	And he says he looked at people who had these really high IQs, like 160, 180, whatever.
	You know these people.
	Why, yes.
	And you may be one of them.
	Anyway, he said that they never made much of their lives, and he could only conclude that this was because they were smart enough to realize that the 10,000 hours was just too damn much work.
	Ha ha!
	This is the logic.
	So I'm thinking now that we're looking at a new twist, an absolutely new twist to the self-esteem movement.
	Hmm.
	All right.
	You know, you can be whatever you can want to be.
	If you want to try out, you can be anything you want to be.
	As long as you...
	As long as you put the work in, you'll get there, blah, blah, blah.
	And this is bull.
	Well, that's very interesting.
	So there's two stories that will relate to that.
	One is, and this is a YouTube video which we'll have to dig up for you, which...
	Some kids did it, but I'm not too sure of the authenticity, but apparently they're showing a history book, a grade school history book used in United States schools.
	This went around, I'm not sure about this either.
	The New World Order chapter?
	Oh, no, I didn't know.
	No, this is different than what I'm thinking.
	Oh, no.
	I was thinking, okay.
	Well, I'll tell mine first.
	So the kid shows his history book, and then there's a chapter about the New World Order and how we have to get ready for it as we're going to have world government.
	And it's in the history book.
	He shows the page.
	It says, get ready for the New World Order.
	I'll have to dig that one up.
	What was yours in the history book?
	Um...
	I'm just trying to think of somebody's name.
	There was a lot of utopianism that took place during the thirties.
	And there was a writer in particular who I read.
	It's actually very interesting.
	Named Stuart Chase.
	And people out there want to track down somebody who was kind of a utopianist.
	And Stuart Chase.
	And also there's a book, by the way, one of the classic books.
	If you can find this, you can find it.
	You can use bookstores.
	It was the number one bestseller.
	Almost worldwide, so millions and millions of copies, and it was called Looking Backward by Bellamy.
	It was a bestseller, and I'm talking about millions and millions of copies, in 1890.
	And Looking Backward is a book written from the perspective of someone in the year 2000, looking backward on what changed since 1890.
	And this is an eye-opener.
	And again, I think you probably will get to this New World Order stuff from any of these types of books that were produced probably anywhere from 1880 to World War II. And now, of course, it's been reintroduced.
	I don't know.
	My story was that it was, I always thought you were going to refer to the, what kids had to read as a history book and what they had to know back in, there's this thing, you know, 1920 or something, and there's this thing that went around a couple years ago on the internet about all these things you had to read and know about.
	And it was like completely, it was so far removed from what you get today, you know, with the self-esteem and, you know, everybody's a winner and, you know, there's no such thing as a loser and, you know, that kind of thing.
	Wow.
	Back to the loser's locker room.
	Yes.
	Uh-huh.
	Uh-huh.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	Oh, here's this kid.
	Hold on.
	They laugh.
	They literally call...
	Let's see if I can find it and I'll just...
	Here, American...
	American Nation is the title of the book.
	As I was looking through it today in class...
	It's highly produced, though.
	I don't trust it.
	Yeah, it could be a hoax.
	We can find out one way or the other.
	Here it is.
	Now, is this an old book?
	You say this is an old book or a new book?
	A current book.
	It says, America in the New World Order, 1970 to present.
	I'm just reading off the YouTube video.
	Hmm.
	So what were you saying?
	Okay, well, we'll just track it down.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'll send you the link right now.
	We can take a look at it later.
	It's not unusual for this kind of thinking to have come in and out of vogue.
	It's very common in U.S. history.
	What?
	This utopian new world order, one world government.
	Well, that was George Bush Sr.
	He said it.
	He said it's a big idea.
	A new world order.
	Yeah, well, these internationalists are all around.
	I mean, these are the ones, you know, that we have to be leery of.
	I mean, it's not a new group, and they're all very powerful people.
	There's a whole slew of them, and they, you know, they're not communists, they're not, you know, they're vaguely identifiable here and there, but they're commonly referred to as internationalists, and they...
	Project for a New American Century.
	Yeah, that's typical.
	But the reason for this, of course, stems from World War I, when it was decided by what you would...
	Call your Illuminati or whoever, these insiders, that we can't keep having these damn wars.
	World War II was the real clincher.
	We can't keep having these damn wars because they ruin the economies, people get killed.
	No, this is where we fundamentally disagree.
	No, no, I believe that they actually want the wars for two reasons.
	One, they make money by selling weapons to both sides, so they make out like bandits.
	Two, it reduces the population.
	I think they want the wars.
	I disagree with you there.
	Okay.
	I mean, I understand that perspective, and you might be right.
	Now that you mention that, though, it reminded me of something else I saw in Charlie Rose.
	I don't know why I'm watching Charlie Rose so much, but I guess there's nothing else on.
	It's so pathetic.
	I'm not a big fan of Charlie Rose, because he always ends up talking about himself.
	But he had William Gates on.
	What's his name?
	Richard Gates.
	Is it Richard Gates?
	The Secretary of Defense?
	Yeah, it's Richard Gates.
	It's Richard?
	I thought it was.
	I don't think it is.
	Hold on.
	Yeah, it is.
	Hold on.
	Gates.
	Richard Gates.
	Oh, great.
	Now you've got Firefox is installing your updates and it'll start in a few moments.
	Great.
	Maybe it's...
	Now, what the hell is his name?
	Come on.
	Well, just type in Gates, Secretary of Defense in Google.
	I can't do it because my browser won't open.
	Hold on.
	It's ridiculous.
	We don't have these things.
	Ladies and gentlemen, this is why we have no agenda.
	We have no brains.
	It's Gates.
	Robert Gates.
	I'm sorry.
	Robert Gates.
	Of course.
	I can just hear people yelling at their iPods.
	You schmucks!
	You freaking idiots!
	You can't pronounce Blagojevich.
	You don't know who's the Secretary of Defense.
	Canada is not being overtaken by the Queen.
	And it's getting hot in here, people.
	Good night.
	So, he had Robert Gates on.
	Oh, you mean the Secretary of Defense?
	Sure.
	Yeah, and he's chatting with him about how he's going to be the Obama guy.
	And then, out of the blue, for some reason, because Charlie Rose does this.
	In fact, he did it with Gladwell.
	Gladwell mentioned Bill Joy.
	And immediately, this is like the armband thing between McCain and Obama.
	Immediately, Rose jumps in and says, Oh, I know Bill Joy.
	He's a good friend of mine.
	He's been on the show a thousand times.
	Which seems unlikely.
	Yeah, really?
	What are you trying to say?
	So I got a kick out of that.
	So anyway, so he pulls another one of these self-referential moments with Robert Gates, and he says, well, you and I, you know, we're both good friends with Brzezinski.
	Uh-huh.
	Bada-bing.
	There's the man.
	And as soon as he said that, I'm saying, oh, Gates is with Brzezinski.
	Uh-huh.
	Well, wait a minute.
	But Gates was with Carter.
	Gates was with Brzezinski.
	Gates was with Carter.
	Yeah.
	He's been in the defense since the 70s.
	The guy is no change.
	Okay?
	No change.
	I don't care what you say.
	It's not only no change, it's like back to Carter.
	It's no change, people.
	Welcome back, Carter.
	We should have the music.
	Welcome back.
	Welcome back.
	I bet you I have it somewhere.
	Yeah, run it.
	That's probably something I have on my computer, you know what I mean?
	Theme song.
	So anyway, so I thought that was a little...
	I didn't...
	I don't know.
	I'm just...
	You know, I was still looking at the Nicole Kidman material, and so I wasn't too...
	I only ran into the Charlie Rose show because I was looking for TMZ, you know, to watch.
	The extra.
	Extra.
	Extra.
	I'm looking for that.
	Or inside of...
	You're killing me.
	I get the real good news there.
	So I do this daily thing on Mevio.
	It's called Mevio Today.
	Right, you can find it by going to Mevio.com.
	Yeah, and I'm doing all these little things.
	I had a good one that someone posted on the drop, and I did it at the opening.
	I said, Mevio Sports News Update.
	White Sox fans, go to the White House.
	Cubs fans, go to the Big House.
	And, you know, with the right pictures and everything.
	It's just perfect.
	I love it.
	So now we're getting away with a little bit of...
	A little political commentary.
	It won't last.
	Yeah, they like it.
	Everyone likes it.
	The board likes it.
	Yeah, they like it.
	They like it to a point.
	I'm surprised.
	By the way, we have to get more people listening to our little podcast here because if everyone would just tell a friend or give a copy, burn a CD. Yeah, we double our numbers overnight.
	And they can put it in their car and listen to us ramble on and not know who Robert Gates is.
	Let's do something non-political.
	Well, it's from AP. The group representing the U.S. recording industry, that would be the RIAA, Friday said it has abandoned its policy of suing people for sharing songs protected by copyright and will now work with Internet service providers to cut abusers' access if they ignore repeated warnings.
	Apparently, it was costing too much money.
	Oh, they were losing money on these lawsuits.
	Yeah, of course.
	Of course they were.
	The lawyers were loving it.
	Oh, I'm sure they were.
	The lawyers are going to be loving this Bernie thing, too.
	Can you imagine?
	Oh, yeah.
	And he's under house arrest.
	He's still in his limo.
	He's in his limo and he's in a mansion.
	Let's back up a second.
	Martha Stewart...
	Went to the big house, went to jail for $7,000, maybe, maybe she may, or 70, who gives a shit what it was?
	Maybe, maybe she did something that was a little out of the ordinary.
	She's a homemaker.
	A rich one, but still.
	Yeah, no, exactly.
	You're so right.
	And O.J.'s still walking around.
	Or is he now finally incarcerated?
	I think he's done.
	He's in jail.
	He's done.
	He's through.
	Finally.
	But yeah, that's pretty crazy, isn't it?
	Where was the SEC? Don't they...
	There was something about the SEC as well.
	I mean, there's so much information.
	They seem to do this when...
	Just when we're really interested in Nicole Kidman, they seem to do all kinds of crazy shit.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, well, they seem to be doing it on a daily basis.
	That's what's weird.
	It really is true.
	So the price of oil is at $38 anyway.
	Headed to $30.
	I think that's where it's going to bottom out, which will bring our gas prices down to $1.50, which is pretty much, for a premium, which is about what it should be.
	Well, yeah, but now, of course, OPEC is doing the largest production cut in history trying to jack the prices up.
	I mean, it just makes me laugh.
	I mean, we just sit there and go, OPEC, OPEC, whatever.
	You know, we're all hypnotized, you know, getting a hard-on over Nicole Kidman.
	And meanwhile, OPEC is just out there saying, hey, we're going to try and jack your prices up.
	No one's saying anything.
	That's exactly what they're saying.
	In fact, we're going to jack it up and here's how we're going to do it.
	Yeah, this is like a football team that tells you the play's in advance.
	And no one cares.
	Yeah.
	I know, it's unbelievable.
	But again, it comes back to the dumbing down of the public.
	Nobody's educated anymore.
	Well, no, Obama has made it very clear he wants to change that.
	Not by improving education, but by putting internet into schools.
	Right.
	No, make him even dumber.
	I mean, if you listen to Obama, he never once talks about anything that has to do with learning stuff.
	It's always infrastructure.
	Infrastructure, infrastructure, infrastructure.
	So basically, we're going to have a bunch of, you know, mostly Mexicans, you know, building out infrastructure.
	And people still be as dumb as ever, and they're going to be looking at, you know, the Internet, the inner tubes, and they're going to look and do what I do.
	do.
	They're going to look at the Nicole Kidman story.
	Wake up, sheeple.
	Yeah, it's too late.
	No, it's never too late.
	It's never too late.
	It's over.
	What is this?
	IT guru for Karl Rove died in plane crash.
	Oh, this is the guy who had the emails for the Ohio election fraud.
	He ran out of gas in his plane.
	Oh, really?
	where'd you get this story send me a link it's breaking Breaking news, yeah.
	Updated.
	Hold on, I'll send you the link.
	Oh my gosh, there's so much happening.
	It is their favorite way, isn't it?
	He ran out of gas.
	You know, if you run out of gas in a plane, no reason for you to crash and die, okay?
	There's no reason.
	You can land the plane.
	Well, maybe it was in a helicopter.
	No, in a helicopter, you can autorotate.
	Of course, I don't have any information on what the crash actually was, but it was probably suicide by petrol.
	Yeah, I'm always dubious.
	Once in a while, actually around the Bay Area, I think once every couple of years.
	It's always weird to me when somebody famous gets killed in a plane, unless there's something like a storm.
	You know, they shouldn't be flying.
	That's what happened to Bill Graham.
	But once in a while, some bonehead doesn't, you know, doesn't topple.
	I don't know what happens, but he runs out of fuel.
	And he always lands, you know, in a neighborhood, on a highway, on a freeway.
	They always land.
	Very rarely does this guy get killed because he ran out of gas unless he's, you know, over the ocean.
	There was a guy who had a slight aneurysm in the U.K. a couple weeks ago.
	And I think it was the UK. And so he temporarily went blind.
	He could not see.
	And they talked him down.
	They had an army pilot got in like some, you know, biplane trainer or some crap like that.
	It flew alongside him, talked him down to the runway, and he landed.
	Perfectly.
	Wow.
	Yeah, it's just here.
	The Akron Beacon Journal reporting the private plane of GOP's highly placed IT guru Mike Connell went down in Lake Township, Ohio on Friday evening.
	He was killed in the crash report and had been the only person on board, of course.
	No reports of anyone on the ground being hurt.
	Um...
	Key witness in the King Lincoln v.
	Blackwell lawsuit regarding fraud in the 2004 presidential election in Ohio.
	That recently revived long-standing lawsuit led to Connell's recent deposition November 3rd.
	Alright, so that stinks.
	That really stinks.
	Oh, they gotta clean some shit up before they get out of there, I guess.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, whose side is he on?
	I mean, who's cleaning him up?
	I mean, is it the...
	There's no side, okay?
	Oh, okay, never mind.
	Why am I even bringing that concept up for?
	Why are you even asking that?
	There's no side.
	So someone tried to register theyworkforus.org?
	Yeah?
	You should go to theyworkforus.org.
	What is it?
	It's registered by the government, of course.
	It is?
	Yes.
	You're kidding me.
	No, it's funny.
	It's actually the federal employees.
	They work for us.
	They've got little radio commercials.
	Here, I'll play you the radio commercial.
	It's hilarious.
	This is really funny.
	Here, listen to this.
	Hold on.
	We protect the integrity of the national banking system.
	We protect American democracy and let the public know who contributes to federal candidates.
	We ensure the safety of America's food, drugs, medical device, and cosmetic products.
	We protect the air you breathe and the water you drink.
	We work to improve the energy security of the United States and to safeguard our nuclear weapons.
	We are on the front lines guarding against terrorism.
	Federal employees keep our nation vital and strong.
	Federal employees, they work for us.
	That's great.
	Isn't that awesome?
	I got to get a job with the federal government, I'm guessing, pretty soon.
	They got really cool.
	There won't be any other work available for anyone.
	That's correct.
	You are correct.
	Yeah.
	If you take a look at the, I mean, this is essentially, we're going to see what Roosevelt did, you know, just basically.
	The New Deal.
	Yeah, this is basically...
	Well, so this is what they're angry about in Greece, because in Greece they've already started the New Deal, because of course it is a world government, and they're privatizing everything.
	So you'll see now there's a lot of movement in infrastructure companies.
	The huge conglomerates are now shifting all of their money into buying up companies that build roads, tunnels, etc.
	It's all being privatized, and all that money that was flowing to other crap is now flowing into that.
	And there's going to be a trillion dollars that Obama is going to approve as a stimulus, and that trillion dollars is going to go right to the same people, and we're going to make some BS roads.
	And, of course, the question is, that's another trillion we'll tack on to the $8 trillion already expended in the bailout.
	The Chinese are now saying, hey, we're not going to lend forever.
	So that means we'll have to print it.
	It goes on the balance sheet, which means we're going to get inflation.
	I just don't see it happening any other way.
	Well, you have to have inflation.
	Yeah, but it's going to be pretty significant.
	Well, you have to have inflation for this economy to work the way they want it to work.
	And yeah, it probably will be significant.
	They can't control it very well.
	But right now, they put the interest rate down to zero.
	So that's our beginning point.
	Yeah, it's zero, right?
	It's nil-nil.
	Yeah, it's zero.
	Explain what that means.
	John, what does that mean for people who just gloss over that and take no heed of the fact that there are people controlling the cost of our homes, the cost of our groceries, the cost of our cars.
	They're doing this by controlling the interest rates.
	John C. Dvorak, please, in under one minute and thirty seconds, explain what this is about.
	Well, the idea is, of course, to curb inflation by changing the interest rates as supposedly the only lever we have.
	But why is that necessary?
	Why is it necessary to curb inflation?
	Because inflation, if you have really bad inflation, which could devolve into hyperinflation, it hurts the banks more than anyone.
	Okay, so it's to protect the banks.
	So here's the deal.
	So I borrow $100 from you, and the $100 is worth, say, $100 worth of gold.
	And now we have inflation, and the $100 is now worth, you know, $0.10 worth of gold, and basically I'm making millions of dollars a day, or I have a $10 billion note, like, you know, the Zimbabwe notes.
	And now I can pay your $100 back with this cheap money, and you're screwed.
	So, thank you.
	Actually, you did it in under 30 seconds.
	It is to protect the banks.
	It's to protect them, not for us.
	It's to protect the banks.
	Okay, thank you.
	Now, but if the banks are all out of business and the only banker we have is in China, eh, let's go for it.
	Let's have some inflation here.
	Well, but you mean if you need to borrow from the bank.
	I got an idea.
	It's called a mattress.
	Stick your shit underneath that, save it in the sock, save your money, and then go buy it.
	I'm waiting for the interest rates to go negative.
	Because what that means is that when I give the Treasury $100, they give me back $95.
	Fantastic.
	Is this a great country or what?
	That's a great country or what?
	So anyway, so we get it down to a zero because that's where you want.
	That's your beginning point.
	Now we've got lots of room to operate because we're at zero.
	So when things start to crank up, we've got lots of headroom here.
	Now we can move the interest rates up.
	To five, and it's still going to be low, and it's going to create a really hot economy.
	And I think we're going to have a boom that is just going to shock everybody.
	But the problem is it's going to be a false boom.
	It's going to fool everybody, because here's my scenario, of course.
	Okay, and by the way, I think I'm agreeing with you already.
	Go ahead.
	So what we've got here, we have this horrible situation that we're experiencing right now.
	And so it looks like an absolute bottom.
	The depression is the worst thing you can have.
	We're going to build from this.
	We bring in our new president.
	He's going to do infrastructure stuff.
	He's got a little Rooseveltian thing going on.
	He's got Brzezinski.
	You know, we get a little Cold War action starting again, which keeps the military happy.
	We got troops on the streets.
	We've got troops in the streets.
	It's perfect.
	So now we start the crank.
	We're throwing money into the system and it's starting to crank up the economy.
	And we all know that the depression is over because it only lasts a little while.
	You know, this is it.
	We're experiencing it today.
	And now it's time to get back to work.
	So we're going to start cranking this thing up.
	Obama's going to be behind the whole thing.
	And we're going to, everyone's going to go into, all the pent-up demand is going to hit the market at the same time, which is going to give you that hockey stick look.
	And everybody's going to catch up.
	They're going to have panic buying on Wall Street because people are going to say, oh God, I'm going to miss it.
	Look at the stock.
	The price of U.S. steel is down to nothing.
	It's going up.
	It's doubled already.
	It's going to double again and again.
	And then they pull the rug.
	Then they pull the rug.
	And they do that by doing what?
	Oh, you don't have to do anything.
	We're bankrupt.
	It's just going to do it by itself.
	It's an automatic system.
	And that's when we enter, here's a new phrase for you, the greatest depression.
	Oh, I like it.
	Yeah, nice.
	Let me write that down before I, because it's something I might forget.
	The greatest depression.
	Oh, that's a good one.
	Damn it, that's a good one.
	That's going to catch on.
	That should be a t-shirt.
	The greatest depression.
	Yeah, we should do that for the next limited edition t-shirt.
	People should go to noagenda.angryshirts.com and buy a t-shirt for us.
	Greatest depression.
	Yeah, we have to plug the t-shirt at the beginning of the show, not the end.
	What difference does it make?
	People listen all the way through.
	If you're satisfied, if you are still listening to the show, buy a damn t-shirt.
	Okay, if you're listening all through this, what is it now, an hour and a half?
	We're getting up there, aren't we?
	About an hour and a half.
	Yeah, it's about time to...
	Greatest depression.
	See if you can get greatestdepression.com before we post this.
	Yeah, okay, hold on a second.
	Should it be the greatest depression?
	I think you have to get both.
	The greatest depression and greatest depression.
	I'm sure nobody's got it.
	Hold on, I've got to go to GoDaddy.
	GoDaddy.
	GoDaddy.
	That'll be a great...
	That'll be what we'll term the situation.
	I mean, it's going to be a mess.
	I'm not looking forward to it.
	People are moaning now.
	They're just beyond moaning.
	You have to remember, during the Roosevelt era, there was common thinking that they were going to overthrow the government.
	That's how bad it was.
	Yeah.
	Hold on.
	I, of course, don't remember that.
	Okay, hold on.
	Here it is.
	Already taken.
	TheGreatestDepression.com is already taken.
	Hmm.
	Let me try Greatest Depression.
	Hmm.
	Which that's gone, too.
	Oh, well.
	That's okay.
	GoDaddy has not confirmed that yet.
	It's coming through.
	It's coming through.
	And the answer is already taken.
	So, is there a website?
	Probably not.
	It's probably a parker.
	Or some guy talking about his wife being depressed.
	What?
	Oh, yeah.
	Parking.
	It's in parking.
	Bummer.
	Bummer.
	Yeah, well, it was a good shot.
	But we can still use it.
	The term is valid.
	Yeah, we can use it.
	Absolutely.
	Right, so that for you is 2011, right?
	That's kind of your...
	No, no, 2013.
	I mean, there's two or three scenarios that we can look at that are based on historical scenarios.
	And there's the two that I like the best.
	One of them entails a crash at the end of next year, and then we begin.
	And that's the real classic 80-year cycle, which took place in 1929.
	Well, that makes sense, John, because what we have coming, obviously, the credit card house of cards is about to cave in, and then we have commercial real estate, because every single huge chain is out of business.
	Commercial real estate, I think, is overextended far and beyond the private...
	Oh, look at San Francisco.
	There's buildings all over the place.
	Who's going to work in these things?
	We're going to have empty malls, and people are going to feel uncomfortable.
	The strip malls are going to have big gaps in it with places that are just...
	Chopped out.
	It's just gone.
	And there's no one to replace it.
	There's no new businesses.
	Right.
	Well, anyway, so let me give you the two scenarios for people, even though I've probably said these scenarios too many times for some people.
	But the classic, classic would be the following.
	You have Obama comes in, everybody's all jacked up, and we have a real hockey stick run-up in the stock market.
	It goes to 25,000, by the way.
	That's the key number.
	And when the market hits, people say, ah, it's a bull.
	It's never going to happen.
	25,000?
	Yeah, when Dow Jones hits 25,000, sell everything you own.
	Okay, and you could hit 30 and you're like, oh, I could have made more money.
	Get out.
	Okay, so the market skyrocks.
	By the way, you have to remember that in 1929 alone, the Dow Jones tripled within the year.
	So it's not uncommon for something like this to happen.
	It's happened before.
	And before that, historically, there was never a Dow Jones, so we couldn't really trace things.
	But there are other evidences of this really fast climb.
	And if you look at the way the pound collapsed, I mean, that's ridiculously fast.
	So things are moving.
	Anyway, so the market takes off and you have a crash...
	Traditionally, in October of 2009, the market should crash on some Monday or Friday, and then it recovers, kind of, and never quite makes it back to the 25,000, but then it starts to go into a slow slide, which bottoms out in 2013.
	No matter what scenario I pick, 2013 is still the operative year for the bottom of the depression, technically.
	But it's so horrible at that point that you don't have a real even recovery.
	You have kind of a sketchy recovery that takes about seven years.
	So you don't really have anything, you know, the happy days do not return, except the model always shows, and by the way, this will happen too, that in 2017...
	You have kind of a mini-boom and then it crashes back down.
	It's just a short-term thing.
	It happened in 1857 and it happened almost every 40 years.
	Anyway, so that's the one possibility, which is the worst case scenario.
	Yeah, that sounds pretty good.
	Yeah, you're going to have this one opportunity at the end of 2009, just before the crash, to maybe make some money and put it away.
	But other than that, you don't have enough time to get the millions of dollars you're going to need to get through to the big one.
	Okay, the other possibility happened in 1890.
	You had a very interesting situation where there should have been a crash in 1889.
	There wasn't.
	We actually had a bull market...
	and a boom that took place until about 1892, 1893.
	And then they had a massive crash and what was called a depression in 1893, which matches that cycle, which would match 2013 if you add 40, 40, 40, 40 years to it over and over again.
	How does the French Revolution play into that?
	Is that also in one of those 40 to 80 years?
	Actually, the French Revolution...
	I have a bunch of...
	There's a bunch of international stuff.
	1789 to 1799.
	Yeah.
	There was a...
	Yeah, there's actually some things that happened during that period.
	I have a chronology that I'm going to publish.
	But the French Revolution happened for the same reasons.
	You had this guy who was printing up the money, and basically he had shares in the bank that was printing the money.
	That's what it looks like superficially, but since I'm a cycle guy, it was part of a cycle more than it was that, as far as I'm concerned.
	Right.
	Okay, well, so I'm down with that because it doesn't really matter because people are doing stupid stuff all the time.
	It's just every 80 years, the stupid stuff the guy at the time is doing, he gets blamed for it.
	Right.
	I'll accept that.
	I'll accept that.
	Well, you know, it was the same thing with Hoover.
	And that's why I was kind of hoping McCain was going to get in because it would have reset the political system a little more logically.
	And I think Obama would have been a better president in 2012.
	But he got in.
	So what happened with Hoover, you had this, you know...
	Calvin Coolidge was the George Bush of his era, just a do-nothing bonehead, and who spent all his time fishing, which was exactly the same as Bush in that regard.
	I think he was out fishing during some natural disaster.
	Which is hilarious.
	Yeah, Katrina.
	Yeah, and basically screwed up the economy in such a way that the guy who had to take over the place, which was Hoover, who was another clueless Republican who didn't really know what to do if things were bad.
	He was like one of those, you know, some people can run a company when things are good.
	And some people can turn around a company that's a specialist, and some people can run a company when things are bad.
	I mean, you don't have all three skills, usually.
	And the same thing with being a chief executive.
	You know, if things are going great, you know, this guy does the job, but if things turn around, he doesn't know what to do.
	And that's what happened.
	So he got stuck holding the bag and got kicked out, and Roosevelt came in.
	This could happen to Obama.
	Yeah, but this time, it's...
	Obama promised I was going to get laid and it ain't going to happen.
	Alright?
	That's just the long and the short of it.
	Well, that's because of your neighbor.
	The moral of the story, ladies and gentlemen, is it doesn't hurt to check out a little bit of history.
	And by the way, Wikipedia does not count.
	You should look at the pharmaceutical websites, the pharmaceutical pages on Wikipedia.
	Hilarious.
	Oh, they're all just commercials?
	Yeah, it's great for you.
	And no one ever bitches and moans about that.
	Yeah, no, that's right.
	No, it's really pathetic.
	Some of the Wikipedia pages are nothing more than...
	The one for Noam Chomsky is a joke.
	You should check that one out.
	It's like, this thing is like a million, this is like a terabyte.
	Do you know that schools now let kids use Wikipedia for their research, for their papers?
	That's wrong.
	Yes, it's completely wrong.
	Schools are allowing it.
	And Obama, of course, will be putting more internet in so that we can get more Wikipedia.
	Yeah, that's about it.
	Well, that's depressing.
	No, no, no, not at all.
	I see it as another battle that will be fought uphill and in the rain.
	Yeah, well, you won't be liking it when I move into your house with my family.
	John, you'll be more than welcome.
	Bring some sausage meats.
	Alright.
	Well, hey, listen, that was long.
	It was a good time.
	Yeah, there's a hole in the middle you can pull out.
	No, no, I stopped the recording when I went downstairs.
	You mean that?
	Oh, okay.
	I never cut anything out, ever.
	It's too good to show.
	Too good.
	All right, tell a friend.
	Read Bubba Martin's show notes.
	Buy a t-shirt.
	Coming to you from Gitmo Nation East in the UK, my name's Adam Curry.
	And I'm John C. Dvorak in Gitmo Nation West, also known as Northern Silicon Valley, a place that doesn't exist, but we think it does.
	And we'll talk to you again next week right here on No Agenda.

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