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July 27, 2008 - No Agenda

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40: Hydroxy Booster

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	If there ever was a perfect example of synchronicity, this show is it.
	Somehow, we always seem to make it all come together at the same time.
	Coming to you from a very warm Britain from the Curry Manor in the United Kingdom, I'm Adam Curry.
	And I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We had a nice warm day yesterday, but it looks like it might be chilly today.
	Summer has arrived here, man, all over the continent.
	It's almost like Florida.
	We get 85 degrees and then big thunderstorms at the end of the day.
	And of course, there's no air conditioning.
	Well, that's not like Florida.
	That's the only thing that's different.
	Yeah, it's like the really poor part of Florida.
	Right.
	So I was just in Florida, actually, yesterday.
	Yeah, I heard you do, uh, didn't you do, um, a no agenda from Florida?
	Yeah, no, we're doing no agenda now.
	I'm sorry.
	I mean, Tech 5.
	I'm sorry.
	I literally got back from six hours in the car, John.
	I just drove back from the Netherlands and went through the Channel Tunnel.
	You did?
	You drove through?
	No, but you don't drive through it.
	You get on a train.
	Yeah, you get on the train.
	I went out Friday.
	Do you stay in your car?
	Do you stay in your car?
	You stay in your car.
	You want to know the process?
	Yeah, I've been through the channel, but only on a train, on a passenger train, where you could, you know...
	Oh, no, no, this is quite different.
	First of all, the cheapest and best way is to book it online, and I booked the Flexi Plus option, which means you can just kind of show up, because otherwise you're on a time schedule.
	You have a check-in time, and you have a departure time, because they want to manage the traffic down there.
	So flexi means you pay, I don't know, I'm sure it's 30% more.
	So you can kind of show up whenever you want.
	You give an indicated time, but there's no penalty.
	I like it.
	Yeah, and so you drive up, then first you insert your credit card or your confirmation number, just like a check-in at a terminal, at an airport terminal.
	It then poops out a ticket that you hang on your...
	Off of your mirror, your inside rearview mirror.
	And then, of course, it routes you past the shopping center.
	You can't go past...
	No, you have to actually go through the parking lot of the shopping center, which is...
	Oh, really?
	Oh, yeah.
	It's fantastic.
	That's like a hotel casino in Las Vegas where you can't check in without walking past a bunch of slot machines.
	Yeah.
	Oh, and it's not even really apparent how you get to the...
	It's not like train this way.
	It says France that way.
	So you kind of follow that sign, and then you come to UK Immigration.
	Yeah, it's funny, man.
	So then finally, through the parking lot, you come to UK Immigration, where, of course, they check you to see, they just want to say goodbye to you, I guess, which is kind of interesting.
	It's not the same way always at the airports, certainly not for going to Europe.
	And so then they clear you.
	Then you drive, I'd say, about 100 yards, and then there's the French border.
	So you haven't even gotten on the train yet.
	You actually do that.
	There's a French border in England?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So you get into customs there.
	So that's where they check you for French customs.
	And then everything changes.
	The whole vibe changes, literally.
	This is more French than English, I think.
	First you have to go through the security gate, which is kind of cool, which has magnetic shit under it.
	You drive through this one area and there's cameras and it's checking your whole car to make sure you don't have anything bad on board.
	Right.
	And then for the Flexi customers, you have a little first class, well, more like a business class lounge, and they pack up a little box for you.
	So Flexi classes actually...
	It's like a business class.
	Are there only two classes of service?
	Yes.
	Regular and Flexi Plus.
	And so you can get out of your car and go do something?
	Yeah, so you park at the...
	Well, you have to do that either at the shopping mall or you can do that...
	After the shopping mall, if you have regular class, you can't do that.
	At Flexi Plus, they have a little...
	Yeah, it's literally like a little lounge.
	You drive up, you park.
	It's about halfway between the shopping mall and the actual train.
	And you can go inside.
	It's nice.
	It's air conditioned.
	Everyone's French, even on the English side.
	And, you know, they have really nice baguettes.
	And it's all great French snack food, so no crap.
	You know, and like real strong espressos and cappuccinos.
	And they'll pack a little box for you.
	And then you take that into your car.
	And, you know, there's a very discreet little LCD flat screen that tells you it's time to board.
	And then you get in, you drive, and you go down a little ramp.
	And then you turn right into the train.
	And then because we're passenger cars, you go up to the double-decker, so you go to the upper level, and you just pull forward until the guy in front of you, and then there's people assisting all the way through.
	It's like getting on a ferry boat from Seattle.
	Yeah, kind of like that.
	It's about the same distance between the wall.
	You can open up your door comfortably, but you do have to look out to make sure someone's not walking alongside the cars to one of the restrooms, for instance.
	And then it's just a train.
	Actually, you know what would be cool?
	You've got to take one of your cameras that's got video capability and kind of glue it to the dashboard and then film the whole little thing.
	It's kind of boring.
	It's not that exciting.
	Actually, I have to post one of these days, which is a simple video of me trying to get out of the parking lot at the Venetian Hotel.
	Yeah.
	That's impossible, isn't it?
	It goes on forever, this video.
	But anyway.
	Go left here to come back and gamble more.
	So anyway, let's go back to this, Lewis.
	So now, can you get out and get on?
	Is there a regular train hooked to this, or is this just all cars?
	It's all cars, right?
	So you're actually going, so I was pretty much one of the first ones on, and so you actually drive all the way forward through all these different carriages.
	Oh, you mean they're hooked together?
	So in other words, you can go from one car to another?
	I mean, one of the carriages to another, you can drive from one to another?
	When you get on, I think there was cabin 36, I think, was the first one that I saw because it has LED displays.
	And I drove forward all the way to number 12, I think.
	And then there were other people in front of me, so then you stop.
	And then they close the doors between the carriages, just like a regular train.
	But they do open if you want to get from one to the other because there's restrooms located every other one, I think.
	So you have to go through those automatic...
	Yeah, the red door.
	Yeah, the electric doors that let you...
	The thing open.
	Push, push.
	Yes, exactly.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And then, you know, until a guy helps you, you make sure that you pull up to the bumper, baby, and then, you know, kill the engine, and you have to keep your windows halfway open.
	It's not comfortable.
	It is kind of warm, particularly on a day like this where you've got 85 degrees.
	It's warm in the tunnel, too?
	Well, so once the train gets going, then it did cool down a little bit, but it's a 35-minute ride, and then kind of like after 25 minutes...
	Can you see the walls of the tunnel, or are you enclosed?
	Yes.
	There are windows, and so you can see lights flashing by.
	We could be on Space Mountain.
	They could take me right back to Folkestone.
	I'd drive out, and I wouldn't even know.
	You have no bearing.
	Whatsoever.
	But then you come out of the tunnel.
	Wait, stop.
	How long does this take?
	35 minutes.
	Oh, that's not bad.
	No, so you eat your lunch, you know, and you chill out, and you drink your cappuccino in your car, and maybe you get up, stretch your legs, and then you're there.
	And then you drive off, and then of course it's kind of weird because then you have to drive on the right-hand side of the road.
	Right, and your steering wheel's on the wrong side, so it's a dangerous journey.
	It's for thrill-seekers only, John C. Dvorak.
	I mean, those wrong hand side of the road cars is just, you know, you can't see to pass.
	Yeah.
	I don't miss it.
	I mean, for me, when it comes to operating machinery, I'm ambidextrous.
	You know, the helicopters, you fly right seat.
	Airplanes, you fly left seat.
	No, I don't have any trouble driving in England in a car with a steering wheel on the wrong side of the road.
	I just don't like to have it where I'm on the wrong side of the road with the wrong side steering wheel because you can't see to pass.
	If you have to pass somebody, you have to damn near pull the whole car out into the other lane to see if anyone's coming.
	Well, but, you know, come on, man.
	How long have you been driving?
	You know how big the car is.
	It's dangerous.
	I'm just saying it's a dangerous proposition.
	It's dangerous, dammit.
	Wait, here's what's worse about it.
	It looks stupid.
	You look like an idiot with the wheel on the wrong side.
	I hadn't considered that.
	I actually had a nice little Panama hat on, you know, like, gee, I must look like a real total dick.
	I would think.
	So it's 35 minutes.
	That's not too bad.
	What's the cost on it?
	That's very expensive.
	I think I paid round trip was 240 pounds.
	So yeah, 500 bucks.
	Not cheap.
	500 bucks?
	Oh yeah.
	Holy crap.
	Yeah, but you get a sandwich.
	In a nice box.
	Now, I think the regular...
	It's not that much more expensive.
	I think the regular probably still would...
	Now, of course, you can load up, you know, four people in my car.
	I was just by myself.
	There's no points off for the number of passengers you have on board.
	Yeah.
	It's just per vehicle.
	So, you know, it does get a little bit less expensive if you're splitting the cost.
	Yeah, I guess with four people it would be okay, but, jeez.
	What's the train ride?
	I took the train once, but I can't remember what it was.
	It wasn't nearly that.
	And the train took me all the way to Cologne.
	Right.
	The TGV, the high-speed train.
	Well, actually, the Eurotrain drops you off somewhere.
	I can't remember where.
	A couple of different places.
	Paris, and there's the one that goes toward Amsterdam and stops somewhere.
	In Antwerp, doesn't it?
	Yeah, that's it.
	Yeah, Antwerp.
	Yeah, you need to get off and get on something faster.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So you didn't ask me what I was doing, why I took the train with my car.
	I'm more fascinated by the journey.
	But anyway, what were you doing, by the way?
	I went to go to the Black Cross.
	Did we talk about this last week?
	No.
	Okay, the Black Cross is a motocross, you know, like motorcycle, cross motorcycles.
	And it started, I think, God, maybe ten years ago.
	My first one was six years ago, and it literally was an illegal, hence black.
	It's in Dutch, in the eastern part of Holland, known as the Achterhoek, or the back corner, which the people who live there and work there, mainly farmland, they would be equated to hicks from the south.
	Okay, just to give you some.
	But, so they start this motocross, this illegal motocross, and this thing grows out, you know, six years ago when I went for the first time before there was any media attention.
	Already in a weekend, 100,000 people would show up and have these people with the craziest things like tanks would show up.
	And then they'd go around the track with surfboards behind them with guys dressed up as Arabs waving to the crowd.
	There's always five guys who have some kind of thing that looks like a dildo that they ride.
	I mean, it's crazy, right?
	It's just a complete carnival of burning fossil fuels and drinking massive quantities of beer.
	But it's really laid back and there's no aggression.
	And also, there's no signage that says, you can't go here, stop, go back.
	You know, it has signs like, please scream loudly here, or complaints with an arrow pointing towards the exit.
	You know, completely the opposite.
	Right, old gags.
	Yeah, but they really work, and even the cops who were out on the road helping direct traffic towards this event, and everyone camps there, of course.
	It's very much a festival, you know, so people show up in their campers and tents and just sheets and sticks.
	Anyway, so I had set up kind of a meet-up with people who were into this hydroxy booster stuff.
	I'm sure I told you about this.
	Nope.
	Oh, fuck.
	The hydroxy booster, somewhat debated online, but it's a very simple construction of creating hydrogen and then feeding that into the intake of your car so that you get better mileage.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So, I was going to meet up with...
	So, what you're telling me is this is your latest kind of, let's say, nutball thing you're working on or what?
	Yeah, just one of the many.
	Okay.
	This is the left nutball thing I'm working on.
	And so literally, the way the system works is you have a canister of water, you put some plates in there, and then you put a current through it that comes from the battery, and then that creates hydrogen.
	And then you want to route that hydrogen into the intake of your manifold or your carburetor or whatever.
	And the theory is that because this is a very efficient gas, hydrogen, that it mixes up with the gasoline and of course it takes over a portion of the use and you get better mileage.
	So I'm really interested in this.
	And you really can't buy them.
	People make kits and of course there's people doing MLM schemes with this stuff.
	So there's a lot of pros and cons.
	I really want to try this thing.
	So these guys agreed to show up.
	One guy had actually made the thing from PVC tubing and wires hanging.
	This guy's an Einstein.
	He's talking about zero-point energy and quantum shit.
	Yeah, it makes sense to me that he would be talking about that.
	Yeah, but then another guy is from a car tuning shop, and he showed up with all the tools.
	And yet another guy was the guy when someone said, does anyone have a roll of vulcanized tape on Teflon basis?
	That was the guy who said, why sure, I've got one right here.
	A couple of people showed up with buses, like 911 was an inside job, etc.
	So it was totally my people.
	Totally, totally my people.
	And we hooked this thing up.
	We built it right there on the spot.
	It took a couple hours, and we actually built it in the wheel well.
	And I took pictures, John, and they're on my Flickr account, linked from my weblog, curry.com.
	So you can see the actual process, the chronology of this install.
	And I've tested it.
	I tested 100 kilometers yesterday.
	And this is based, the way I tested it was, you know, filled up the tank.
	It's a 60 liter tank.
	And then, you know, drove until it was about three quarters empty.
	Maintained the mileage that I drove and then filled it up to see how much went back into the tank.
	Right?
	Very simple way of checking your mileage.
	You agree?
	It seems to work.
	It's a subtractive way of doing it.
	Of course, you know, you have to have a consistent type of driving, but yeah.
	Right, so the consistent type of driving I used was both highway-based, but one was at 110 kilometers per hour, and the other one was 130 kilometers per hour.
	At 130 kilometers per hour, it does about...
	It gave me about an 11% efficiency.
	So I was doing one...
	11% improvement?
	Improvement, yeah.
	Before I was doing one liter would take me 10 kilometers, and now one liter took me 11 kilometers.
	But under that, so like 110...
	I was doing closer to 1 to 13, so I was closer to like a 29% improvement.
	Crazy, huh?
	I'm skeptical.
	But, you know, hey, you never know.
	But the numbers don't lie.
	Well...
	The numbers don't lie if those are the numbers indeed.
	Right.
	Well, all I did is I tracked the mileage, did 100 kilometers, give or take, but I tracked it and then I divided it.
	So let's assume that this process works.
	What are you going to do about it?
	I'm not going to start a business, John.
	That's for sure.
	It's clear that this stuff has to be developed because it's PVC and it can melt.
	It's still in the hobby stage.
	What am I going to do with it?
	I don't know.
	I'll promote anyone who's building this stuff and trying to get it in people's hands.
	It seems like a pretty good way to save some money.
	Anyone can build one.
	It's not hard.
	It's just plastic.
	I find it fascinating that people like yourself who are multi-millionaires are out to save a nickel or two on their gasoline.
	Dude, dude, dude, obviously I'm not out to save a nickel or a dime on gasoline.
	Obviously I'm out to see if this fucking theory works.
	You sit on your ass with your goddamn Acura driving around complaining about how much you have to pay for parking.
	I'm actually trying to do something for the people!
	I don't complain about parking, nor do I have an Acura, for God's sake.
	What is that thing you have?
	What is that thing we drive in?
	If you don't know it, you can't afford it.
	So...
	So you spent $500 to go to a thing to save a couple of bucks.
	It's okay.
	I think it's good.
	No, I did it.
	I wanted to meet these people.
	I wanted to hear what they had to say.
	I wanted to see the process.
	It was very educational.
	It was fun at the same time.
	And then we saw some guys driving around on motorized dildos.
	You know what?
	It's possible that...
	Mixing, extracting the oxygen and hydrogen from water with your own car energy and then pumping that back into the gasoline to improve performance.
	It's possible that it would have some beneficial characteristics.
	Well, here's the next step.
	Although it seems like you get a lot of water in the engine.
	No, no, no, no, no water.
	It's not condensation.
	You can't burn oxygen and hydrogen without water coming out of the deal.
	Hold on a second.
	It's not condensation or anything.
	No, no, but when you burn hydrogen and oxygen together, and what you're getting when you get the gas off the water is hydrogen and oxygen.
	Yeah, but that just comes out the back.
	That just comes out the exhaust.
	That's not a big deal.
	Yeah, but it forms a vapor trail throughout the engine, and that has to create rust and all kinds of issues.
	I don't know.
	Maybe there's not enough to make a difference, I suppose.
	Well, the theories are quite different from that.
	In fact, the theories are it's much better for your engine.
	Oh, and by the way, I put in unleaded 95, no super 98 shit or anything like that.
	Runs the same.
	We can't even get 98 here.
	No?
	Oh, okay.
	We got 98 over here.
	I think we still have 98.
	Well, anything that says ultimate or super speedy, I didn't put in it.
	But it was, you know, you'll take a look at the pictures.
	They built it into the wheel well, so it actually has extra cooling from removing my front left mist lamp.
	Did you have these guys install this on your system, or did you do it?
	No, no.
	It was like three different guys.
	One guy had made the thing, and he had installed it on his own car, but he's not a great installer.
	This other guy was like a guy who installs radar systems and anti-laser blips and blops, and so he had all the shit.
	He knows how to install something to a car properly, but then we didn't have a garage with all the stuff, and there was this other guy, and he just had everything.
	He had everything from cheese fondue to the vulcanized tape on Teflon basis.
	The guy had fucking everything in his car.
	It was amazing.
	I can see the headline now in the Daily Standard.
	Crackpot curry car explodes in downtown London, four injured.
	Oh, man.
	Hydrogen blamed.
	I don't know.
	It was just interesting.
	And these are some pretty hardcore people.
	You know, they're thinking about other stuff, obviously.
	Yeah, yeah, like 9-11 and what other things?
	I think most of them are way beyond it.
	They did come up with one of the girls, her name was Andrea, who had taken a train, a bus, and walked to come and see us, even though she doesn't have a car, just wanted to meet us and hang out.
	Did you give her a ride home?
	Yeah, we made sure she got a ride home.
	Oh, that's nice.
	Of course.
	And she pulled out like 80 pages she had printed from Eurolex, which is the European Union, like LexisNexis type system.
	And she was showing me this thing, John, which was just, and I haven't jumped into it deep enough, but I just want to let you know, called the Eurotome.
	Which is the European Atomic...
	Is it Commission or Community?
	I think it's the European Atomic Union.
	Something like that.
	Again, I'm just kind of paraphrasing all this.
	But what she was showing me is that once the Lisbon Treaty is ratified by everyone...
	So let's just presume they're going to shove it down Ireland's throat and everyone else will ratify...
	Wait, stop for a second.
	Does this woman know who you are?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Yes, she does.
	And she knows that you're all over this, right?
	Yeah, of course.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	But she's doing this.
	I don't know if she eats or sleeps.
	She seems to do this all day long.
	She's probably nuts.
	Yes, of course she is.
	But that's okay.
	Call us whatever you want.
	And so she shows me this.
	No, I'm a nutter.
	Absolutely.
	And if you look at Wikipedia, even if you look up the Lisbon Treaty, you'll see this diagram.
	And you'll see that there's this European Atomic Community Which relates to the Lisbon Treaty.
	So I guess once that is ratified, then this other thing goes into effect.
	And it has in here that the members...
	So it's another community.
	So you can have a European Union, but then on top of it, there's another union called the European Atomic Union.
	You with me?
	Yeah.
	So it's just another agreement between parties.
	But these parties have agreed that in the European Atomic Union, which includes the same countries...
	And this is the thing that she was showing me just to get my attention, I presume, so I'll delve into it more deeper, is that none of the governmental buildings that are members of the European Atomic Union can be searched, can be seized, can be entered, you know, any of this stuff.
	Don't have to pay taxes in perpetuity.
	So here's a treaty, and this is the only thing that really gets me going on it.
	Here's a treaty where these member states have said, okay, we're actually above the European Union.
	We give some commands down to the European Commission.
	Oh, and by the way, no one can ever come and look at our archives or look at the way we do business.
	You can't get a search warrant.
	It'll be a fundamental right that these guys cannot be touched.
	And it was right off the European LexisNexis system.
	What do you think the point of that is?
	It sounds pretty suspicious.
	Well, I think this is fascism the next generation.
	Yeah, something definitely weird.
	We got an email from someone who suggested post-modern fascism.
	Oh yeah, that's the guy who sent us, that was Emmanuel.
	He also sent a link to the Webster Tarpley, who is a complete, talk about nutters, but I actually watched that video, which unfortunately these things from Tarpley are extremely long, and he's one of the main truthers And he, if not the guy.
	Yeah, well I've heard all this Prescott Bush stuff.
	It's about how Adolf Hitler came to power and who financed them.
	Right.
	There's that.
	But Tarpley goes on one weird topic after another.
	But curiously, and he's one of those guys who looks like the world's worst guy to interview because he won't let anyone talk but himself.
	But curiously, if you go back far enough, he's actually predicted the banking crisis, the oil run-up.
	As a guy who may have some insight into...
	His rationale for all this stuff, I think, is skewed, but it's interesting that he would nail the Bear Stearns thing in advance of it actually happening.
	I downloaded a couple of interviews from Project Camelot.net.
	Have you ever seen that?
	Nope.
	Okay, so they interview these guys who are, you know, like, some of them are test pilots or worked at NSA, you know, whistleblowers, essentially.
	And they're all saying that, you know, the way the United States government certainly, but probably most governments, the way they protect, you know, their really highly classified stuff is basically, you know, just letting anyone talk about whatever they want and just discrediting them.
	It's much easier, obviously.
	Well, these guys generally discredit themselves by their style.
	Mm-hmm.
	Um...
	Yeah, like we're so fucking normal.
	But that's okay.
	Let me just continue.
	No, seriously.
	I mean, you know what I'm talking about.
	It's a guy, you know, he's going on and on and on about one thing.
	I mean, typical guy in this genre...
	You know, I mean, you are headed there, but you haven't quite made it yet.
	Well, the thing is, they do have credentials, though, because they have actually held these positions within the government.
	So they do have credentials.
	These aren't just guys figuring shit out.
	These are guys who are saying, look, here's where I worked.
	I worked on the X-17 project.
	And this goes really far, John.
	I mean, right down to the 9-11 planes were holographic images.
	So, you know, I'm not very...
	Well, but, you know...
	That's a good one.
	I like to see that.
	There's money to be made from holographic images that big.
	Well, it's interesting because you know that there was a presentation, I don't know if it was a Disney presentation, but it happened in the 80s or maybe early 90s.
	I remember hearing about it back then, where a guy came out and invited everyone to Hollywood.
	Steven Spielberg was there, all the big directors, and they go in one of these private cinemas.
	And so a guy comes out, kind of a German-like speaking guy, and he's on stage and he's walking through the audience and he's talking about the history of television, how they came up with the first cathode ray tube.
	And basically he goes through that and he said, and that's how television was developed.
	And then poof, the guy just disappears.
	Because the whole presentation was about the future of television and he was actually a holographic image.
	So anyway, so these guys who are talking about this stuff, they do have credibility from their positions that they held.
	And they're just being open about it because, you know, it's like people call them nuts anyway.
	And that's the way the government keeps stuff secret, which I think is pretty plausible.
	It works.
	I mean, I will agree, and if I thought about this myself, not that I think that we're completely off in the deep end.
	Generally speaking, I think we're fairly accurate in our analysis, except for maybe this...
	I think that's the way the flying saucer thing works so well.
	If there were flying saucers and they were actually having meetings with these guys over strawberry ice cream...
	And somebody stumbled onto the meeting with some gray, you know, one of these supposed, you know, the grays, which is a good one, a good moniker.
	And somebody stumbled in and they said, oh my God, they wouldn't have to really shoot the guy as he ran out.
	No, just let him tell him.
	Let it tell a story.
	Who's going to believe this?
	Yeah, the guys are sitting there, they're eating strawberry ice cream and discussing stealth technology.
	Well, so here's the theory.
	You want to hear the theory from these guys?
	What is it?
	Okay, the theory is, well, first of all, the depopulation is, of course, is what we're headed for.
	That's the main thrust of the theories here.
	No, wait, let's go back.
	What theories?
	Well, there are many theories.
	Okay, we're going with the depopulation theory.
	So depopulation theory is that the big names, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, the Warburgs, the Morgans, etc.
	So first of all, they've kind of fucked shit up with the way they ran the finances.
	So that has to be corrected.
	But also it's just too many people on the planet, whereas 5 billion people will be able to keep them just rich and happy and moving along just fine.
	Right?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So, the depopulation, how does that happen?
	Well, first we've got to create some events.
	So we've had 9-11.
	That already helped change all the laws.
	The next step is...
	And it could be...
	There's a couple of different branches here of the theory, but pretty much universally...
	And this is interesting since we've picked up on it.
	Universally...
	Most of these theories all agree that there's going to be some form of big major UFO event.
	Ah, there's the rub.
	Because that will never happen.
	I'm going to stop you, but I want you to continue, but let me just throw a couple of asides in.
	This reminds me of, we had a guy, Joe Fermage, who used to run a big company here and became a multi-millionaire.
	Oh, this is the guy that killed himself?
	No, no, he didn't kill himself.
	He floats around as a speaker.
	As a public speaker on the Flying Saucer tour.
	And I remember having him on my Silicon Spin show a couple of times.
	And I called him out on one thing because I kept him away and then he brought him back in.
	It was the same thing you hear from every one of these guys.
	There's an anti-gravity device out there, and it's going to be revealed in the next 60 days.
	They always have this short-term timetable, and it's always about anti-gravity.
	And that's how they're going to explain how all these flying saucers and all these things can do these weird things in the sky.
	And there's an anti-gravity.
	It's like, along with zero-point energy, anti-gravity, there's cold fusion.
	There's a whole slew of these.
	There's a checklist there.
	So allow me to take this a little bit further.
	Antigravity is on the top of this list, and it's like, any minute now, and this is the same thing with these, when I hear somebody saying, oh yeah, there's going to be a big flying saucer event, and I know these guys are clinically crazy, or I don't know what they're thinking, because it's not going to happen.
	Well, let me continue, alright?
	So, screw anti-gravity.
	I mean, these guys are...
	There are guys here who claim to have flown the frickin' spaceships, okay?
	Who have met the greys, have met the tall...
	But these are serious government guys.
	Proven that they worked at these high-security-level gigs.
	So, anyway...
	Anti-gravity, man, they've got like, you know, it's total men in black stuff.
	So the ships are here, you know, and by the way, we have bases on the moon.
	I mean, I'm just telling you what's there, right?
	But anyway, the idea is, regardless of whether it's a big flying saucer moment where the alien, the ETs, then contact us and say, hand us all your guns, because of course the government will say, well, we've talked to them, and it's totally like Mars attacks, right?
	So give us your guns.
	But eventually, I'm sure you've read about the camps that are being set up around the U.S. to house FEMA camps.
	I mean, you've definitely...
	You know, I did a little research on these FEMA camps a couple years ago, and this is bull.
	I mean, it's just unbelievable.
	Where are these camps?
	Where's the photos?
	Every time they show photos, you know one cool thing I saw?
	They showed photos from one of these camps they're building.
	Coincidentally, I happened to have been on the road where that photo was taken.
	It was in Slovenia.
	Well, they'll need camps there too.
	Well, this camp was supposed to be in Kentucky.
	Well, there's supposed to be enough to house millions and millions of people.
	I'm just giving you the story, John.
	I'm not saying I believe in it, but I do appreciate you jumping in and debunking it with that's bullshit.
	So then, of course, there's the viral theory.
	This is the bird flu theory.
	This one I like.
	And this is actually...
	I have done a little bit of research looking at some of these pharmaceutical companies who have billions of dollars projected in their pipeline.
	It's in their public filings, in their Q statements.
	And by the way, two...
	California companies claimed three weeks ago in the news that they have the antivirus for the H5N1 flu human-to-human version, which means they basically either have the virus in their hands or they're lying because you can't create an antidote unless you have the virus.
	But these companies have billions of dollars of orders already from the government, $3.9 billion for stockpiles.
	You know, Tamiflu is now out.
	Now it's this new stuff.
	And how many people have died of bird flu?
	200?
	Like a whopping 300 maybe in the past 10 years that we've heard about this?
	Yeah, it's not a sweeping epidemic yet.
	No, it's not like it necessarily warrants a $4 billion investment from our money.
	So, of course, the thinking there is, you know, we'll have forced inoculations and then just, you know, the stories behind the Spanish flu, the World War I flu that wiped out 60 million people.
	No, but I'm sure it's a whopper.
	Go.
	Well, this is pretty historical.
	You could look this up.
	So they injected GIs who were going over to Europe, to Spain, 600,000 GIs or whatever.
	They injected them with a whole bunch of, you know, wide variety of stuff.
	And of course, a virus is really activated by...
	We have lots of viruses, but if you have poor nutrition and you have some kind of stress, like being on a ship going to war with a rifle and gunpowder bag...
	So these guys contracted this virus and it wound up killing 60 million people.
	And there's pretty much agreement that that happened because of those inoculations.
	So this is where that theory goes, is to depopulize...
	People will get forced inoculations, and then we'll have some kind of another stress event, like aliens, and then we all die.
	Now I know why people love this show.
	It's awesome, man, and it's totally plausible.
	Laugh, you're not coming into my compound, Dvorak.
	You're not invited.
	When the grid goes down.
	Let me in.
	Let me in!
	No, because you have an Acura.
	Go away.
	So, are we doing product placement?
	Is that the reason you keep bringing up that thing?
	No, I can't.
	I thought you had an accurate.
	Yeah, I want a piece of the action that we got product placement going on that you're not telling me about.
	I ain't got nothing.
	Did you see that?
	That was pretty funny.
	It was a news article.
	Maybe it was on Boing Boing.
	They're now a couple of different local news stations are being sponsored by McDonald's.
	We did that on the blog, devorek.org slash blog.
	We have a picture there.
	Yeah, I heard on BBC World on the drive back today.
	I was like, wow, that's pretty funny.
	Well, you know, anything to stretch the budget.
	Yeah, but in the...
	Boy, this is a good cup of Starbucks coffee.
	When I got back, I saw one of the pictures.
	We should have been sponsored by PG Tips, this show.
	Yeah, wow.
	For the last six months.
	Yeah.
	Actually, I'm going to have another sip.
	Well, because we're too controversial, John.
	I think it's because the company's...
	Well, you know, we could get us some GoDaddy codes.
	I'm sure we could make lots of money off of selling shit just to have people support the show.
	I want somebody just to give us...
	We need an underwriter.
	Yeah, I know.
	So we can say, you know, this show has been sponsored by so-and-so.
	You can take or leave the information.
	It's not their ideas.
	It's ours.
	Arthur Daniels Midland Corp.
	Hey, you know, if they got, you know...
	Brought to you by GE. Maybe they could get us to stop talking about genetically modified food.
	Shit, now that shit's for real though, man.
	That's really freaking me out.
	Yeah, well, it's an issue.
	It's something that's a problem.
	Did you hear about the jalapeno pepper?
	I was going to bring that up to you.
	Oh, you know, yeah, it's been in and out.
	The whole thing, they don't know what's going on.
	It's ridiculous.
	A jalapeno pepper?
	Yeah, they poison 1,200 people.
	Are these guys crapping on the peppers, or what's the deal?
	Oh, I know what we've got to talk about.
	Dude, the robot known as Barack Obama has hit Europe.
	Yes, I wanted to talk about that because I have a couple of things to point out that aren't being covered.
	You know, the news media, when I was in Florida, we were at some barbecue place and it was a cool bar that had all these different televisions across the bar on different channels.
	And it was like, you watch these things, and it was like Barack Obama, Barack Obama.
	And they had all these different shows on, but on MSNBC and CNN, it's only Barack Obama.
	It's like the Barack Obama channels.
	And you could see, they were shooting pictures of Barack Obama getting in and out of a car.
	Meanwhile, other channels had regular programming on it.
	It was ridiculous.
	Well, I'm going to have to revise my thinking of going along with you that McCain is going to win.
	Definitely not.
	The fix is in here, man.
	Well, of course, Barack Obama, I mean, he's not...
	He's going to blow himself up.
	He's already pushing it.
	He's getting more pictures of himself.
	In fact, on one of his official websites, he's got himself looking into the air like Elvis on that second album.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I'm telling you, this is a setup, man.
	This is perfect orchestration.
	Everybody wants him to win.
	A couple of things that weren't pointed out.
	He's got this big thing in Berlin, which looks like something Hitler would put together.
	But people don't realize it was a big rock concert.
	It was!
	But it was an American-style rock concert.
	No, literally it was a rock concert.
	They had rock and roll bands preceding him, which drew in the big crowd.
	And they stuck around to listen to the speech.
	But it was set up for him.
	The bands were playing there.
	He was the main act.
	Those were just opening acts.
	I'm not buying it.
	Yes!
	What do you mean you're not buying it?
	He was in England.
	I haven't seen the footage yet, but Patricia said, what the hell is this Barack Obama guy thinking?
	I said, what do you mean?
	He said, he's sitting out there outside 10 Downing Street saying, and I've got to get the footage on this.
	I'm sure it's all over YouTube.
	Oh, it's so happy to see you good English people.
	And, you know, we Americans really love you English people.
	And she said, it's just disgusting.
	You English people.
	We love you English people.
	I said, are you sure that's what he said?
	Yeah, you English people.
	I said, that doesn't sound right.
	No, man.
	He's also a Council of Foreign Relations guy.
	Yeah, I know.
	He's part of the whole clique.
	He's just the same as the old guys.
	Exactly.
	Just say that again.
	What did you just say?
	He's just one of the guys.
	He's just one of the guys, right?
	He's part of the setup, right?
	Part of the system.
	Part of the system, yeah.
	So let's go over one of the things that bothers him.
	I'm getting sick of the guy, by the way.
	Okay.
	I'm tired of his rhetoric.
	I'm tired of watching him.
	Here's what really bugs me.
	His teleprompter thing is getting on my nerves.
	Yeah, it is.
	I totally agree with that.
	And I've been watching him and studying it a little bit.
	By the way, he does...
	If you look at the Huffington Post has become a big booster for him.
	And they have a posting of his transcript.
	And I was listening to the speech actually just before you called.
	On a word-for-word basis, that transcript of what his speech was, was obviously not what he said.
	Because there were all kinds of things in there that he changed.
	Really?
	And people should know that when you do teleprompter work, and the way Obama works is as follows.
	He has two teleprompters, one on his extreme right and one on his extreme left, and he bobs his head back and forth and back and forth and never talks to anything but the teleprompters.
	Well, that's how all of them do it, though, John.
	I know, and it all looks like the same thing.
	He's looking over here, and then he jerks his head over the other side to make sure he doesn't lose his place on the other teleprompter, and then he starts talking there.
	Well, he is right.
	The way I see it, he's a little bit...
	He's looking right most of the time.
	That's his strong prompter.
	So he is looking at the right prompter for his right.
	Yeah.
	Your left.
	Prompt most of the time.
	Then he'll shoot to the left prompter and maybe give a couple sentences and then pop back over to the right where he maintains the longest eye contact with that prompter.
	Now, so I was interested to see how much he'd fall off prompter.
	In other words, you know, drop a word or how would he recover?
	Yeah, skate around, I call it.
	Now, he does change his singular to plural a lot.
	And he also changed...
	Now, some of this you don't know if it's actually changed on the prompter and they kept the original transcript and distributed that to the media.
	Because often, people should note this, too.
	The media often will get a speech like this in advance of the speech.
	Yep, yep, yep.
	And so if something's changed at the last minute, it will not show up in the transcript.
	And often, a guy like Obama, who's a practice prompter user, with this style of, you know, blah, blah, blah, it's a certain pacing.
	Dude, he's better than Katie Couric.
	Oh, absolutely.
	But, you know, who wouldn't be?
	Anyways, so, anyway, the thing is, he changes a lot of, like, for example, in one of his comments, he changed...
	He changes a lot of past tense to present tense.
	I'll read you what's in the transcript.
	He says, now is the time to build new bridges across the globe as strong as the one that bound us across the Atlantic.
	That's the original transcript.
	He changed bound to binds, either on the fly or in a fix, because most people who do work with a prompter will, depending, some people are lazy, You just go cold and read the prompter, but he doesn't have, he really can't afford to do that.
	It's an important speech, you know, so whenever he's doing his speech, might as well read through it.
	He said nothing in this speech, by the way.
	But anyway, so he probably went over and he changed stuff, and he will have it changed on the prompter.
	Now, he did blow a line.
	Let me find it.
	Okay, cool.
	Can we hear the audio?
	Can you do that?
	No, I can't.
	It's too complicated.
	But I will read...
	No wonder no one will sponsor this show.
	It's too complicated.
	Hold on a second.
	Somebody's beeping me.
	Okay, here's the line as it was written in the transcript.
	And you know this is what he meant to say.
	The poppies in Afghanistan become the heroine in Berlin.
	They had this clip on the BBC World Service.
	Okay, so what did he say?
	Well, instead of saying that, he obviously screwed up and read it wrong, and he said, the poppies in Afghanistan come.
	From the heroin in Berlin?
	So instead of become, he says, come.
	And then he has to go back and fix it.
	Then he has to recover either by backing up and saying become, but he decides not to do that, and he decides to go ahead with the sentence on an ad-lib basis.
	And he says, the poppies in Afghanistan, something like, comes...
	You know, and then he says, from Afghanistan, and back home.
	No, no, here it is.
	No, I got it, I got it.
	The poppies in Afghanistan comes to Berlin to be heroin or something like that.
	But he changed, becomes the heroin in Berlin to comes, and then he blows it and says, to Berlin.
	And I actually, when you listen to it, I thought the recovery was outstanding, by the way.
	Well, of course he's right.
	The U.S., of course, shipped the heroin directly to Berlin as we take away the poppies from the Afghanis.
	Well, they're growing plenty of poppies.
	Yeah, of course they are.
	He did another one here, the only one that I think he blew and had to find it again, but he did blow one sentence where he used the same word twice in a funny, awkward way.
	But most of the stuff was...
	Dizzy didn't say anything, really.
	No, he says, you know, this and that.
	Didn't he say something about not a new world order, but bringing order to a new world?
	Someone told me he said something like that.
	That's what they're saying.
	Sky TV is harping on this, and I couldn't find any evidence if that's bull.
	They're just looking for something.
	What they should have looked for is the fact that this thing is boring.
	And he said nothing.
	He said nothing.
	And he kept throwing in stuff that was references to the wall, and he made a bunch of metaphors about this being a wall and that being a wall and blah blah blah.
	I just thought the thing was, I thought the speech was weak.
	I mean, it was just a bunch of bull.
	I mean, there was nothing...
	I haven't heard it or seen it in this entirety.
	Everybody's a happy camper, you know, or one great big world.
	There was a lot of internationalism in there, which I believe is where he's headed.
	Well, of course.
	Yeah.
	So he's part of the old neoliberal internationalist, you know, these guys who want one world government.
	Yeah.
	Well, isn't that the same as the neocons?
	The neocons are a little different, but they're one world government.
	And didn't Sarkozy just create the, oh man, that guy says some amazing shit.
	I've got to pull up those news stories for you.
	the president of France and the current president of the EU.
	So the French, so he changed a couple laws for France as well last week.
	And one of them is they've now started this database about every man, woman, and child starting at 13 years of age.
	And in it's going to be listed, you know, besides your usual name and address, email addresses, telephone numbers, social groups you belong to.
	And this is all public information, John.
	You know, family relations, who you're related to, who you're distantly related to.
	And it starts at 13 years of age, they're starting to build this database.
	Oh, and if you've protested, what protests you've participated in.
	And it's called the...
	I should look it up, actually.
	Hold on a second.
	I have it around here somewhere.
	It was really pretty amazing.
	I'm woefully unprepared for this one.
	Well, while you're talking about that, I'll give you my last two Obama commentaries.
	Okay.
	You know, being that this was a rock concert to begin with, if people want to listen to this thing, you listen to this speech, right at the beginning, you know, the typical rock concert audience, they yell and scream for about anything.
	Yay, yay, yay.
	So he got a huge round of applause for this line.
	My mother was born in the heartland of America, but my father grew up herding goats in Kenya.
	And then they got a huge...
	Goats in Kenya!
	Alright!
	Free birds!
	It was ridiculous.
	And he also made the blunder, you know that thing, as far as I, that was not a speech done at night, was it?
	No, I thought it was during the day, in the afternoon.
	Yeah, it was during the day.
	Why does he say, he says, we stand here tonight.
	Hmm.
	That's interesting.
	Yeah, who's he talking to?
	He's obviously not talking to the Berliners.
	Is he talking to CNBC? Or not CNBC, but MSNBC or CNN? I mean, what's the deal?
	That would have been earlier.
	So that, I don't know.
	Although, in Britain, people do say...
	Oh, I'm trying to think.
	What do they say?
	The evening.
	The afternoon is more like the evening.
	But, I mean, it was in Berlin, so it doesn't matter.
	Yeah, it says tonight.
	Yeah, it's not what you English say.
	Yeah, us English.
	I can't find this article, John.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay, well...
	But when I find it, I will send it to you, because I think it's highly bloggable.
	Yeah, no, I'll blog it.
	We've got blogging that needs to be done.
	By the way, the other thing, they got a lot of attention with the right-wingers picked up on a couple of things.
	I think they screwed up on what they're criticizing for.
	For one thing, this keeps cropping up in all the right-wing blogs.
	Has anybody ever listened to these speeches or followed them?
	I mean, they just mouthed off.
	And one of the things they're criticizing is Obama making the comment that, You know, factories in Boston and China are melting the ice caps.
	Right.
	And what he said was automobiles in Boston, or actually cars.
	He said cars in Boston and factories in China, or Beijing, or wherever he said it.
	I have to look it up to specifics.
	But it was cars in Boston, not factories in Boston, because the joke is there are no factories in Boston.
	Right.
	But how are the cars in Boston, you know, the cars in Boston, why do they have to be in Boston?
	I found the whole thing to be a peculiar phrase.
	I think the speechwriter he has is a 26-year-old kid.
	I think he's burned out.
	Hmm.
	Cars, I wonder what, there must be some significance to Boston.
	I don't know.
	Why would he say it?
	It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
	But it was like, you know, you don't, cars in the world, I mean, it's not just cars in Boston anyway.
	Why is it cars in Boston specifically?
	You know, I mean, oh yeah, it's trying to be, you know, here it is.
	As we speak, as we speak, cars in Boston and factories in Beijing, there's no factories in Beijing, by the way, unless there are places that so, you know, I don't, I've been to Beijing, the factories are out of town, let me tell you.
	Right, they're not in the city.
	None.
	But there are cars in Boston.
	Yes.
	Cars in Boston and factories in Beijing are melting the ice caps in the Arctic, shrinking coastlines in the Atlantic, and bringing drought to farms from Kansas to Kenya.
	Death and destruction!
	We're all going to die!
	From cars in Boston.
	From cars in Boston.
	So I don't know what the point is.
	I think these guys are getting a little too...
	For example, he's using Boston and Beijing.
	So he's using a little, you know, this kind of alliteration.
	They're trying to be poetic.
	B, B, melting the ice caps.
	Arctic, Atlantic.
	So he's got melting the ice caps in the Arctic, shrinking the coastlines in the Atlantic.
	A, A. Alliteration.
	Kansas to Kenya.
	Kansas to Kenya.
	You know what I mean?
	It's all this hard...
	From Bowie to Beethoven.
	So I'm thinking, this is just ridiculous.
	No, I think it's...
	Look, whether you think I'm nuts or not, we do both agree they're turning up the heat on something.
	Yeah, somebody's...
	Yeah, well, that's probably true.
	By the way, here's another one he's got.
	He says, trained in Kandahar and Karachi.
	The two Ks.
	Alliteration.
	Isn't that what it's called?
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's a bunch of alliteration.
	He's trying to, you know...
	Hip it up, man.
	Like lyrics.
	Like the hip hop.
	Well, it's the sucker of this audience, which is a bunch of rock fans that came to see whatever bands that were there.
	I can't find any reference to the two bands that supposedly played there before he spoke.
	I'm sure you can find it somewhere.
	Maybe.
	Meanwhile, the other thing about Obama is he's making mistakes.
	And he's making weird false claims.
	Okay.
	Like he says he's part of the banking committee in the Senate that he's not.
	No, he's never been a part of that, has he?
	No, but he said when he was in Israel giving that speech, and nobody called him on it.
	I mean, a few right-wing blogs mention it, but nobody's called.
	I mean, they're calling McCain on every stupid thing he says.
	He says Czechoslovakia once, and everyone's all over.
	He doesn't even know there's no Czechoslovakia.
	Meanwhile, Obama's just out and out, you know, changing his resume.
	Now he's in the banking committee.
	And the other one he had was his relative, his uncle, or somebody that he was related to helped, you know, liberate Auschwitz.
	He says this in one of his speeches.
	By the way, anyone out there who wants to check this, type in Obama, type in Banking Committee, and Google, or then type in Obama, and Auschwitz.
	Auschwitz, unless the guy was a Russian, Auschwitz was liberated by the Russians.
	But his uncle, on his dad's side?
	Or his mom's side?
	I can't remember.
	Because if it was on his dad's side, then he was a goat herder in, uh...
	No, but it had to be his mom's side, obviously.
	Okay.
	Unless there were goat herders that were liberating Auschwitz, I don't think so.
	But, uh...
	So it'd be his mom's side.
	Well, I mean, I can see, you know.
	But he's like making it up as he goes along, and nobody seems to, you know, I don't need, I mean, it's bad enough that we have liars that are politicians, but I think you should maybe push it off until after you maybe get elected before you start really just ad-libbing your own background.
	But it's easy because no one calls him out on it, because there's no, no one calls him out on it.
	Simple enough.
	Actually, let me rephrase that.
	Of course there's people who call them out on it, but there's no groundswell of mainstream blanket coverage, which you just have to have.
	If you need to get a message out, it has to be on every single network news, it has to be repeated a million times on CNBC and MSNBC and CNN, and it has to be repeated over and over and over again, and it lasts for 24 hours, and then we move on to the next thing we need people to understand.
	That's how it works.
	I'm very disappointed in the mainstream media for being, you know, essentially boosters for one guy.
	Duh!
	Well, who owns the mainstream media, John?
	Well, that's the point.
	That's what makes it weird.
	It's like, why is MSNBC actually the Obama station?
	You know, I've been looking for something, you know, make sure, you know...
	New Obama or make sure that the news about Obama gets something.
	I mean, there's a way of putting it.
	Someone will dream up.
	MSNBC stands for.
	Anyway, MSNBC is owned by General Electric.
	So why are they...
	Because he is a player.
	He's supposed to get in.
	McCain ain't going to hack it.
	So they need a guy in there.
	This guy's perfect.
	It doesn't matter if he's a Republican or Democrat.
	They just need a guy.
	He's a perfect robot.
	He's perfect.
	He's good looking.
	He's young.
	He's got stamina.
	He was a member of the banking committee.
	This guy is absolutely perfect for the job.
	I mean, he voted for FISA. Now he's changed his entire view on Iraq.
	We'll still have 75,000 troops in there after 16 months.
	The same thing with the Rockstar and the Banking Committee stuff.
	He's also voting the way he'll vote.
	I mean, this is what we're going to see only times 10 because he's a member of the group.
	He's a member of the Klan.
	He's in the system.
	They don't care.
	Yeah, well, I mean, the problem, I can't argue against this because I don't have any evidence that your crackpot theory is wrong, except for the fact that, I mean, all the evidence says you're right.
	Because why is General Electric, you know, promoting this guy to such an extreme?
	Because, well, okay, so I just went through that rant.
	But I think that's the simple answer.
	Again, we all know what you think.
	I've already censored myself.
	It could be that General Electric is just stupid.
	Is that possible?
	No.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	Yeah, so it's General Electric, it's Viacom, and it's Sky.
	You know, how many more?
	Well, Sky isn't Sky owned by Murdoch?
	Murdoch's against this guy, isn't he?
	Yeah.
	No, he's not against this guy.
	Are you kidding me?
	I mean, I'll watch some Sky tonight.
	I'll watch Sky News and see how they portray him.
	Well, you know, Murdoch owns Fox.
	Fox is, you know, jumping on this character.
	You watch.
	I mean, you should pay.
	Let's watch some Fox News.
	I guarantee you that, you know, he's the man.
	They're getting him in, doing whatever.
	Or, there's some horrible theories about it.
	In fact, I don't want to talk about the theories about Obama.
	They don't end well for him.
	Let's put it that way.
	Well, there's that issue.
	But, you know, both these guys are at risk just being who they are.
	McCain, if he can live two years into the office, it'll be a miracle.
	And it'll be, you know, of course, the thing that everyone hounds him about is he's old, which I can't understand where the liberals are coming from with this because they're the ones who come up with all this.
	You know, we can't have sexism.
	We can't have ageism.
	And everything, all their criticism of McCain is all based on ridiculous, you know, ageism of the worst stereotype.
	You know, variety.
	I mean, it's like we're talking from liberals here who are, oh, it's a stereotype.
	You can't say that.
	It's a stereotype.
	Meanwhile, these guys are stereotyping McCain.
	They're ageists.
	It's ridiculous that they're doing this and they can do it with a straight face.
	Eh.
	I've lost respect for the liberal community.
	Oh...
	That was a word, that was a really good word I read in Financial Times today.
	I'm trying to figure out what, I thought it was a part of maybe an Obama story.
	I can't find it now.
	What I did find in the Financial Times, you'll love this.
	You remember EMI got bought by a big hedge fund?
	Right.
	Greg Hand.
	Was it KKR? No, Terra Firma.
	Terra Firma, a UK-based firm.
	And so this has been in the news for quite a while.
	They bought it for 4 billion pounds, John.
	8 billion dollars.
	Seems like a lot.
	Yeah, well, of course it's a lot.
	Part of the gem of EMI has always been their back catalogs.
	They've got a lot of great back catalogs, including, I think, Bowie.
	I think they had that $50 million bond or whatever that they wrote out to him.
	Anyway, so Greg Hand is a guy who has no experience in the entertainment business.
	He's running this hedge fund, and he's running EMI now.
	And today, on the 65th birthday of Mick Jagger, the Rolling Stones announce they are quitting EMI, and they are leaving to Universal, and they're taking their entire back catalog post-1971 with them.
	Huh.
	I would say these guys are fucked.
	Well...
	They probably need to do a better deal with the Rolling Stones, that's for sure.
	Well, that's exactly what got them into trouble in the first place, is doing all these sweet deals with everybody that just don't pay off.
	You watch, EMI's going to fall over, roll over dead, and that's just the beginning of the end for the mainstream music industry.
	They can blame it on piracy.
	Well, I'm sure you read about the six UK ISPs who have all agreed to participate in the Three Strikes You're Out program in the UK. I think we may have blogged it.
	You must have blogged it.
	Yeah, you must have blogged it.
	But give us background on it.
	Okay, quick background.
	This is purely about peer-to-peer, by the way.
	And not about just casual web browsing.
	It's purely about peer-to-peer.
	And so the main initiative here is the record companies, the music industry and the motion picture industry as well, will be sitting out on trackers.
	They get an IP address.
	They will then contact the ISP and then...
	So what they haven't decided yet is which route will be taken.
	Either A, the ISP sends a note and does not disclose the information to the record company, or B, they do disclose the information to the record company.
	So there's a QFA. Is that what it is?
	I don't know.
	You know, like a proposal is out there, so the industry is now deciding what it's going to be.
	They have until, I think, October.
	And then what's now also officially open for discussion, which will become law, this is a governmental decision that's being made here, is how they'll combat it.
	And so one is, you know, they get a warning.
	The next one is, they'll be put on a blacklist that is distributed to all ISPs.
	Wow.
	And the next one is installing filtering software to actually make content non-downloadable.
	So, of course, it's just a start, but it's the start of a lot of crap, I'm sure.
	Yeah.
	And, uh, and so I was reading through these documents, uh, on the government website, and how they talk about, you know, and they got this guy from, who used to be in the undertones, his name is Feargo Sharky, who had one hit, like a one-hit wonder, called A Good Heart is Hard to Find.
	And he's running this whole thing.
	He's, you know, like one of those typical washed-up pop stars that, you know, had to get a gig, and he winds up in the administration of some kind of royalty-based organization for the mob.
	Um...
	And he's saying, you know, well, the British creative community is suffering.
	And I'm like, what a bunch of crock!
	A bunch of croc?
	Yeah, the British creative community is suffering.
	Let me write down that usage.
	How are they suffering, did he say?
	Well, yeah, because...
	They can only buy one limo or they can only use a private jet once a week?
	Currently, as it stands, most musicians don't make more than 5,000 pounds a year.
	And this is horrible.
	So if we don't get these people more money...
	If we don't make people buy their stuff, then the creative community will disappear.
	We'll have no more creative community.
	These are the words he's using.
	Dead go away, yeah.
	Because people don't...
	People aren't creative.
	They're only in it for money.
	That's what he said.
	That's exactly what I was going to say.
	Beat me.
	It's like, yeah, the creative community, the artists of the world who are notoriously starving to death, they're only in it for the money.
	Yeah, I'm an artist in a loft in New York doing an oil painting because I'm in it for the money.
	That's like Rembrandt, Van Gogh.
	Those guys were totally in it for the fucking money.
	Actually, Rembrandt may have been, but not Van Gogh.
	But just to read those words, it's like, wow, that's pretty heavy-duty stuff.
	Well, that's because, you know, if you're a foot doctor, you see everything as a foot.
	Yeah, true.
	And these guys are in it.
	The guys who are making these comments are in it for the money, so they think that artists and everybody else who does anything for any reason whatsoever, for love or because they think it's fun or they feel they have a service.
	Or a message to communicate.
	Whatever.
	Yeah.
	No, it's all for the money.
	Nobody does anything because of you, the person making the comments.
	You do everything for money because you're a money-grubbing jerk-off.
	So, therefore, everybody's like you.
	I mean, this is like this kind of self-centered way of seeing the world.
	Bunch of crock.
	It's a bunch of croc.
	Now it's on the lexicon.
	It's a bunch of croc.
	You've never heard that?
	My mom used to say that.
	She used to say bunch of croc?
	Oh, what a bunch of croc.
	Wow, I never heard that ever.
	Instead of a croc of?
	Yeah, a croc of.
	We used to have a croc.
	It's a crock of crap, or just it's a crock, which would imply it was a crock of crap.
	A bunch of crock.
	A bunch of crock.
	Speaking of my mom, so I stayed overnight Friday night at Bob's house.
	That was her second husband.
	And, you know, they've been together 15 years or something like that.
	So, you know, of course I knew Bob, but he's not like really, you know, the official family, but then he really is family.
	And so it's now been two years since my mom passed.
	So I said, oh, you know, go hang out with Bob and see how he's doing.
	And so, the house is very much, you know, my mom's stuff is all still in there, and she had a huge Wedgwood collection, you know, really beautiful, all color-coordinated, and so he still has all that up.
	But he has kind of transformed into a guypad.
	He's put in a big widescreen, and he's got, you know...
	First thing a guy does.
	Yeah, of course.
	He's got his Dolby 5.1 surround sound with 18 speakers hidden throughout the entire living room.
	And he's like, you know, because I don't know really what our common ground is, And he's like, yeah, let me show you some DVDs.
	Because he's really into gadgets now.
	And he's 65.
	He's almost 65.
	He'll be 65 in October.
	And so he pulls out all these music concert DVDs.
	Like, here, let's check this one out from the Eagles.
	I'm like, ah, the Eagles is kind of boring.
	Ah, you've got to listen to how this guy plays.
	So it was actually a pretty good piece.
	But then he pulls out Roger Waters, who I've never, ever been into.
	Pink Floyd, you know, like Money and some of the hits.
	Because I've always been in a top 40 hit radio and I just kind of listen to the chorus.
	It doesn't have a hook.
	You know, alright, I can pick a hit pretty much.
	But this one had subtitles on the DVD. And man, the shit that Pink Floyd and Roger Waters, it's really, really politically motivated.
	Yeah, well that was that era.
	Yeah, I know, but I've never really, even the words of time or money, you know, you think you know what you're singing, but you don't actually know what they're singing, and now they have the subtitles.
	Man, it was exactly what's going on now.
	It was so, it fit right into these times.
	Yeah, well, you know, what can I say?
	You can say I was there the first time, son.
	I actually saw Pink Floyd in their first American tour.
	Yeah, how was it?
	Were you into what they were talking about, or were you just into LFD? I couldn't understand a word they said.
	Yeah, so you needed the subtitles.
	That's what you needed, man.
	Yeah, but everybody was thinking along those lines back then, but the thing that was cool about Pink Floyd when they first showed up, and they did a gig in Marin County right off the bat at some special venue.
	It was some weird hall, and they'd rigged it so they had speakers in a complete circle around the entire group.
	Oh, yeah, right, right, right.
	So when they would play something, they could have the sound go around in a circle and spin it around.
	Right, right, yeah.
	And there was a bunch of these guys.
	I mean, Grateful Dead used to use standing waves to get that weird effect, and Jimi Hendrix used to have a bunch of things flapping across the screen in some...
	He invented the wah-wah pedal.
	And these guys are into pretty aggressive, new-sounding things.
	Technologies and stuff, yeah.
	And that's deteriorated back to what it was in the 50s.
	Well, now we have MP3s.
	And that was another thing I noticed.
	I'm like, wow, am I really starving my brain of good music when you just listen to MP3s?
	I mean, that's a bunch of crock right there.
	When you hear something on Dolby 5.1 surround, like, what the hell am I doing listening to MP3s on a freaking iPod with earbuds?
	I mean, this is lame.
	Boy, I've been thinking that for the last couple of years, because I see people roaming around.
	For one thing, the earbuds, they stick these things in their ears, and they're, by the way, injecting sound directly to the eardrum.
	It's not good for you.
	It's not good, not good, no.
	In fact, at Mevio, I'm sitting next to a guy who has, I'm not going to name who it is, but he's got his sound up so loud that I can hear what he's listening to.
	Oh, that's Greg.
	And he's got this thing stuck in his ear.
	That's Greg.
	Greg Mann.
	He's going to be deaf.
	Is that Greg?
	Seriously?
	Well, that's not going to say.
	Anyway, so, but the point is that everybody does it.
	They've got these things stuck in their ears, and they're walking around town, usually, and they're oblivious to everything else going around, and they walk in front of you.
	I always bump into you.
	But I don't care about that.
	What I care about is the quality of the...
	I mean, you miss so much.
	I agree.
	In fact, I'm a big old-fashioned speaker guy myself, and I've got these huge Dahlquist old ones.
	I know the DQ-10s hooked up with some subwoofers.
	And you crank it up, and you get an experience that you get at either a concert or at a symphony hall or something like that, as opposed to sticking these things in your ears and getting limited fidelity.
	I don't care how good they are.
	And, you know, it's just uncomfortable.
	You can't move around the sound.
	I mean, the sound is stuck in a fixed position, so if you walk around, it doesn't change.
	And I don't like it.
	But nobody has speakers anymore.
	Nobody bothers.
	Yeah, well, I think it's a shame because, and it was really, it was just rubbed right into my face, you know, because he had the subwoofers, he had the tweeters, and, you know, tuned, man.
	And he made me sit in a certain spot on the couch.
	You know, he's tuned this experience.
	And, you know, HDMI, HD, I mean, you know, he's like, 1080, I don't even know what, I've lost track of all this shit.
	But I'm looking at it, so I've got this great picture, I've got this sound that is just going through me.
	And it was a really good experience.
	I'm like, wow, I'm really, really depriving myself of so much by listening to so much music on crappy MP3. What an endorsement for CDs right there to go out and buy the actual product if people would sell the benefit of really hearing the music, really hearing it.
	Bad feeling.
	Yeah.
	Because you feel those bass notes, they hit your solar plexus and your body shakes.
	Yeah, and that shit's tuned.
	And that's why music works, because it's supposed to not just go through the ears.
	I mean, a lot of the resonances and the harmonies and stuff of basic music is...
	Certainly the Pink Floyd stuff, I'm sure they thought about that and tuned it to certain frequencies that the human body reacts to or whatever.
	Those guys were into that.
	Well, I'm glad you've got the wherewithal to put together a nice sound system.
	I've got a pretty good sound system here.
	Yeah, but you listen to earbuds anyway?
	Typically, even this show, you know, because sometimes, you know, actually, knock on wood, but we've had great connection.
	But, you know, whenever I listen to something, I put it on the big speakers here.
	Yeah, it's really important.
	I can't do a mix with headphones.
	Do I listen to earbuds?
	Yeah, but typically it's talk.
	You know, it's podcast or it's maybe an audio book or something like that.
	So, you know.
	But even in the car, I was listening to a couple of interviews, and I bought one of those Nokia charger transmitter jobbies, so I can just put it on the car radio, and I listen to it over the car radio.
	Much more enjoyable.
	Yeah, I think so.
	Although I'd hate to have to listen to music through MP3, through a Nokia transmitter.
	Nokia, by the way, not necessarily known for their radio transmitters or their processing.
	I don't know.
	I don't use that technology.
	I sound like people, you know, I'm always going to get some jerk that listens to this show commenting the following.
	Some jerk?
	What is this guy?
	He lives in the 18th century.
	He still uses CDs.
	What are you worried for?
	What are you worried about people?
	I'm just saying, I'm just making the comment that people will criticize me for the simple reason that I still...
	When I have a bunch of stuff I want to listen to, I'll burn it on a disc and throw it in the car CD player.
	Much better.
	It's much better.
	And then pop, you know, when I want it, I'll pop it up.
	Yeah, I didn't have any CDs with me.
	Otherwise, I would have burned the shit on the CD. I really would have.
	Yeah, and the CDs nowadays are 15 to 20 cents a piece.
	Yeah, it's nothing.
	In fact, when I travel, I usually burn a couple CDs before I go.
	I tend to more recently be listening mostly to long lectures about stuff, but I'll burn a few CDs, and I used to always make the mistake years ago, I'd have a CD, I'd go travel, I'd be in Vegas, and I'd have a special CD that I wanted to listen to while I'm there.
	Then in the rental car, I'd forget it and leave it behind.
	Now I'm leaving it behind on purpose.
	Yeah.
	What do I need it for?
	I just $0.20, $0.15.
	I lost $0.15.
	Yeah, whatever.
	Because otherwise you just wind up with a bag full of old CDs.
	Yeah, no, the CDs need...
	I know.
	You've got to get rid of them.
	You've got to write something on it so you know what it is and then toss it out.
	Right, and the funny thing is...
	I'm with you on this 100%.
	And the funny thing is, if you wanted to ever listen to it again, It's not like you're going to never hear it again.
	So the only thing I'm disappointed about during this week's program, John, is that you're not...
	I'm kind of disappointed you're skeptical about the results of my booster.
	You should be interested and happy.
	I'm going to look into it.
	Okay.
	If you've got 30% better gas mileage, you can duplicate that effort, you know, and the engine doesn't rust out from the inside out.
	Well, that, of course, I don't know.
	I mean, the engine could blow up, this thing could explode, I mean, anything could happen, but it is working.
	It really is working.
	And also, temperature will make a difference.
	So right now it's warm.
	I have no idea what it'll do if it's colder.
	I mean, I haven't even considered what if it freezes.
	I mean, I got water in a PVC thing.
	Isn't that going to freeze and crack?
	I mean, I haven't thought about any of this yet.
	Well, you'll find out as it goes along, but it seems to me, I was, years and years ago, I knew this guy was an automotive engineer, and he invented all kinds of weird stuff, and he says, you know, the problem is with the industry, generally speaking, if there's a new breakthrough technology, there's too much work to tool it up.
	I mean, to get every new idea implemented is just, they can't do it.
	And, I mean, it was a miracle that hybrid cars ever came out.
	Toyota's pretty aggressive with their stuff.
	I heard, I'm sorry.
	But anyway, I was just going to say, it's possible that some of these things that some people invented and they show it works, nobody cares.
	But it could well be a great product.
	Well, I think you're right there.
	Nobody really cares.
	You know who cares?
	Truckers care.
	Because these guys are developing these huge, like, you know, they'll do 100 liters of gas per hour that they'll produce, and they're building them for these diesel truckers.
	Because these guys, you know, for them...
	You're spending $50,000 a month on fuel.
	Hey, it ain't too bad if you can reduce that by 25% or 30%.
	At scale, there's a lot of people very interested in this, and these guys are building stuff.
	I'll look into it.
	I'm skeptical, but I'm skeptical about everything, but I'll look into it.
	It just seems to me that when you start talking about, you know, essentially when the guy's building a hydroxy, whatever the hell it's called, booster, one minute and talking about, you know, zero-point energy, which, or whatever that's called, which is just total crap.
	How do you don't know?
	You're not a physicist.
	Talk to any physicist who does know.
	Well, I haven't done that.
	All I know is I got better mileage.
	I got better mileage.
	That's all I know.
	And I was pretty much convinced it would happen anyway.
	And I drove everything on cruise control.
	But road and weather conditions vary.
	But at the end of the day, you can't deny I had to put less gas in than in my benchmark.
	There was literally less petrol I could put into the tank.
	Now it's only a couple of liters.
	But it's still a couple of liters.
	It makes a big deal at those prices.
	You know, it's $20 a pop or whatever.
	You know, you're probably saving.
	Well, just keep doing it and give us a report every week and I'll look into it in the meantime and see what it looks like so far as there must be somebody that's done the math.
	Well, the next step is they're going to give me a little box and it has two knobs on it and I've got to connect that to the computer.
	Because the car has a chip obviously and it's adjusting stuff.
	So you can actually lean your mixture electronically.
	So I should be able to get even better fuel consumption out of it.
	Well, you might be able to get better fuel consumption just by tweaking the computer anyway.
	Well, I'm sure.
	So, these guys did tell me an interesting story, which I thought was just kind of funny.
	Because, you know, as far as we know, no one has tried this, at least not in the Benelux, on an injection engine.
	So, you know, these guys got old Volvos and, you know, crazy-ass station cars and stuff that's just old, right?
	So, here I come and I've got an injection engine.
	So, these are carbureted engines, mostly?
	Yes.
	Yes, exactly.
	So this was the first injection system with a chip.
	And so we get to talking about, and of course these guys, they're off the wall, and we get to talking about injection systems.
	Oh man, they say this is great.
	So they developed this apparently around 1971 or 1972, and everyone needed to have an injection engine, an injection that was fantastic, but actually they said, Of every single car that got an injection engine, certainly the early ones, the actual mileage went down because they were incredibly inefficient and actually were blowing fuel in there at points in the cycle that would not even ignite.
	Actually, it was just, of course, a conspiracy.
	The injection engine came out just to get people to spend more on fuel.
	And now that I think about it, I'm like, I really don't know if an injection engine, what it is for, other than it looks great on the back of your trunk, you know?
	Injection.
	Yeah, but think about it.
	I know about injection engines, and the reason for them is because you can meter the fuel into each cylinder individually.
	It's not like a carburetor, which you got a bunch of gas going in, gets vaporized by being mixed with air as it sucks through the I mean, yeah, early injectors were, like, designed to just pump a crap load of fuel into anything.
	But I'm talking, the modern fuel injector is an extremely efficient, the only reason we have great gas mileage on these cars is because of these injectors.
	Well, that of course depends on how your horsepower to, you know, cubic inch ratio as high as it is, is because of injectors.
	Right, but that all depends on how it's tweaked.
	And what your chip is doing.
	Well, you tweak it.
	Generally speaking, the problem with the chips is they're tweaking it to meet emission requirements more than they are for performance.
	That's true.
	Anyway, a lot of fun stuff going on out there.
	Oh yeah, Planet X is coming.
	The Bureau's here and we're all going to die.
	Oh yeah, Planet X. Now that one I've always gotten a kick out of.
	Yeah, I'm not into the Planet X stuff.
	I don't think that's...
	That doesn't sound right to me.
	Planet X. Bases on the moon?
	Yeah, we got those.
	Bases on the moon.
	We got parking spots up there, man.
	Well, that's the reason we're going...
	If I want to play that game, I'd still like that.
	I prefer that we've never been to the moon thing.
	It's more fun.
	No, no, no.
	This one's better.
	I can play this one better now.
	Well, the fact, okay, we can go with this theory, though, whether we have bases on the moon or whether we have never been to the moon, and we can still make the following argument.
	China's decided they want to go to the moon, so now we want to go to the moon again.
	And the only reason we want to shoot up there again is to keep China from either finding the bases on the moon or so we can place those artifacts that we claim to have left the first time.
	I think, first of all, the world is shooting rockets up into space a lot.
	With the European Space Agency, NASA, there's a lot going up there.
	And no one ever really questions the experiments that they're doing.
	Do you ever hear about what they're actually doing up there, John?
	It's mostly growing insects, it seems to me, or seeing if they can melt.
	So let's feed the world and not spend $10 billion a year on NASA if they're just growing insects.
	So of course they're not.
	So the theory is that they're pooping out rocket ships once they're up in orbit, and then those rocket ships go off to our bases on the moon and Mars.
	Yeah, no one's ever going to discover that.
	Well, they didn't discover the fourth astronaut.
	Yeah, I'm telling you, man.
	There's a lot out there.
	And it's okay because it makes me feel happy.
	It's better than fucking television.
	It's much more entertaining.
	It's all about the new movie.
	Yeah, I'm down with that.
	So, The X-Files.
	Oh, that was it.
	You said that the other day, and I have to give you cred for that.
	You said maybe all this Larry King stuff is just one big promotion.
	So, Larry King is doing a lot of UFO shows in the past couple weeks.
	And you said it might be a big PR job.
	And lo and behold, The X-Files is coming out this week.
	Yeah.
	Now watch about a month from now.
	You will hear nothing about UFOs.
	All this stuff will just go away.
	We'll track it.
	We'll track it.
	Or we get the big one.
	We get the big holographic invasion that says, give us all your guns.
	Unless there's another movie about something similar coming out.
	You have to check.
	We need a subscription to Variety so we can see what the schedule looks like.
	I think there's some websites.
	We'll publish it, yeah.
	Big budget tentpole sci-fi movie that involves aliens.
	Can it get any bigger than X-Files?
	And they'll take the same images and they'll use the holographic projector that they use for the 9-11 planes.
	And then they'll just project those images or versions of them and we'll all get freaked out.
	We'll surrender our guns.
	And then the depopulization can begin.
	Yeah.
	So the reviews on the X-Files movie are mixed.
	Oh, really?
	I mean, it'll come out, I think, in another week here.
	Yeah, but it's been seen, and it's mixed.
	Some people think it's just a sleazy.
	It's got nothing to do with aliens, it turns out.
	It's mostly to do with mind control or psychic abilities or something.
	But it looks like a lot of people are very disappointed in it.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Mind control as in we can use more of our brains.
	I don't know what the story line is.
	Are you going to go see it?
	You should go see it.
	Why don't you go see it?
	No, I'm going to go see it.
	I'm going to rent it, maybe, or see it on HBO. Which reminds me, this is another topic I just thought about.
	I'm watching what used to be Siskel and Ebert that became Ebert and Roper.
	And then, of course, Ebert is recovering from various ailments, so he's never on the show anymore.
	And now it's this new guy from the Chicago Tribune or whoever he is who's who's actually pretty good.
	And the two guys argue and moan and bitch and gripe at each other as the old original show did.
	But they've dropped the two thumbs up to make it, you know, see it, rent it, or skip it, which is exactly what I was doing when I was at CNET in the mid nineties with a buy it, skip it.
	Something and then skip it.
	Something like that.
	We had the same three categories, but the thing about this new category, see it, rent it, or skip it, it's like, why would you give up a franchise of the thumbs up?
	Thumbs up, thumbs down, yeah.
	Thumbs up, thumbs down, because it got all kinds of attention.
	Thumbs up, two thumbs up, which is the best thing a movie could receive, was two thumbs up, which would be the two guys agreeing.
	Yeah.
	Now what are they going to say?
	It's the two seats.
	It doesn't even sound good.
	Skip it says Roper.
	See it says Roger.
	Oh no.
	Ramper.
	It's bad.
	I mean, why do you give up?
	It's like one of the greatest franchises in modern television history.
	The thumbs up.
	Two thumbs up.
	And then they throw it away because somebody's got a hair up their ass?
	I'd have to say it's probably for that very reason.
	So now they basically can never see...
	Never again will it be, this is a movie I'm not going to want to see because it got two thumbs down.
	Because you're right, there never will be two skippets.
	So, there's just no negative.
	There's just no negative.
	Right, and they've also watered down the whole procedure by adding a third category of rent it, which sounds like a sellout category.
	But they can use that later.
	But they can use that when it comes out on DVD, then they can use their quotes again.
	Roper says, rent it!
	Right.
	It's a scam.
	Yeah.
	Sellout.
	You're right.
	It's a sellout.
	Unlike this show, where we'll whore for anything.
	Just give us some money.
	Nobody cares.
	Nobody wants us.
	I've got a McDonald's cup of coffee in front of me, John.
	Oh, God.
	All right, man.
	What do you say?
	Should we wrap it up on a high note here?
	Yeah, I got one high note.
	My stepson Eric has developed a very interesting product which he's been stalling on me saying anything about.
	Oh, okay.
	But anyone who's a Craigslist user out there and they want to look at more than one Craig, it took a while for him to make this work because Craig and Craigslist do not like anyone doing this, but he's finally gamed it enough that it works.
	And it's called Craigsfinder.
	It's C-R-A-I-G. F-I-N-D-R, in the Web 2.0 sense, CraigsFinder with an R instead of E-R,.com, and it lets you search all the Craigslist all over the United States, I think probably Europe too, by just putting checklists, and then you put your search in there, and it goes and looks at all of them.
	Wow, it looks pretty cool.
	It is pretty cool.
	And it's Ajax, the whole thing.
	It's actually not a bad product.
	Support craigsfinder.com.
	A donation a day keeps the ads away.
	Oh, look, he took it from his dad, didn't he?
	One-time donation, two bucks.
	Recurring, two dollars per month donation.
	Maybe he can do that.
	It's more of a Leo Laporte type of thing.
	Well, I'm just looking at your stepson's business model here, if you don't mind.
	Can I just browse multiple servers?
	Yes, it's coming.
	Okay.
	How do I search the entire U.S.? It's coming.
	Donate.
	Why?
	You can actually search the entire U.S., but you have to click on every one of the things.
	There's no one-clicked entire U.S. So if I'm looking for a tinfoil hat for sale...
	Yeah, I would check New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago.
	Oh, I see.
	Error, please select one or more Craigslist servers.
	Oh, okay.
	Do the servers?
	Oh, okay.
	That's cool.
	So it just pops out.
	Oh, I see what you mean.
	There's no check all.
	Right, which I think would be a bad thing.
	Because then you basically have a mega...
	I'll tell you what the problem is.
	I've used this thing a number of times.
	And if you check more than five or six servers, you get a list that's too big.
	Too big, yeah.
	Because the system likes to be...
	Craigslist is a big deal, especially in some areas like San Francisco Bay Area.
	I mean, that's pretty much half of it.
	Right.
	That's cool.
	It is very webby 2.0.
	I like that, the interface.
	That's pretty cool.
	Yeah, this is one of those labors of love that you do for yourself because you wanted to check a few...
	Anyway, he did it...
	This had taken him about a year or two, and he said he started doing it, and then he got blocked.
	And so, you know, from Craig, he said, okay, I'd be doing this.
	And so they would find his IP, and they would stop him.
	And so now he goes through some, you know, guy...
	Apparently, there's no two...
	Every one of those things is coming off some different IP and it's rotating.
	I found a bug.
	You might want to tell them.
	So I'm running Safari on the Mac and when I'm typing in the search box, if I hit the P, then the region thing slides open.
	And if I hit the P again, it closes.
	I'm not sure that he's ever tested it on Safari.
	Maybe he should.
	Okay.
	Because you're the only guy I know that's ever used Safari.
	I like it because it's got the web kit.
	It's fast.
	It's really, really fast.
	Hey, this is cool.
	It works.
	I got everything from Atlanta, Phoenix.
	Nice.
	Oh, tinfoil hats?
	Well, I couldn't do tinfoil hat.
	Tinfoil hat, or I did it, but it didn't show up.
	I did just house.
	I tried to do apartment.
	That's how I figured out the P was buggy.
	All right, doesn't matter.
	Very cool.
	And then, please, I tried earlier, but let me promote Bubba Martin's show notes, which will appear once the show is posted.
	And we thank the lovely Skype Corporation for hanging in there today.
	Yeah, it was beautiful.
	Yeah.
	Are you doing twit?
	I believe so.
	I didn't do it last week, though.
	No, I didn't like last week's show.
	Not just because you weren't on it, but it's just like, I don't know.
	What was it about?
	I didn't even listen to it.
	I can't remember now.
	Yeah.
	But it wasn't something.
	It was like different people or whatever.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, every once in a while, Leo likes to test people, I guess.
	I don't know what he...
	No, but it is good for diversity.
	It's good to shake things up.
	And I don't need to be listened to on a weekly basis, you know, week after week.
	You know, I come in, I moan and groan about the show moving too slow, and that's kind of my thing.
	And everyone changes the topic, and, you know, I think I wear out my welcome.
	I love you, honey.
	All right.
	Good.
	Do we have a title?
	Yeah, hydroxy booster.
	Okay, excellent.
	Hydroxy booster it is.
	That'll get attention.
	I'm sorry?
	I said that'll get attention.
	Somebody sees that on the thing and decides that it's good for search engines.
	Alright, coming to you from the United Kingdom, I'm Adam Curry.
	And I'm John C. Dvorak from Northern California.
	And we'll talk to you again next week, right here on No Agenda.
	No Agenda.

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