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March 23, 2008 - No Agenda

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	Once again, it's time for the program that contains no commercials, no jingles, has absolutely no talent, and of course, no agenda.
	Coming to you from a snow-covered Britain in the Curry Manor.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And I'm John C. Dvorak in a less than snow-covered, actually warm, Northern California.
	Snow?
	You have snow?
	Yeah, we woke up this morning to a blanket of snow.
	It's all across Western Europe and the United Kingdom.
	It's almost April, and here we are.
	We got snow.
	Wow.
	Yeah, you can say that again.
	Well, no, it's been hot last week.
	We have a little biata.
	It was so hot, it had to put the top down.
	Am I supposed to feel happy and sad?
	Yeah, it's a struggle.
	Oh, yeah, because it's not an electric top, you mean.
	It's actual work.
	Is that what you're saying?
	You have to get out and put it down and get back in.
	We had to dig out our snow boots from the closet.
	That's what we were doing.
	It's unbelievable.
	We had almost spring.
	We thought we had an early spring in February.
	My garden, by the way, is in full bloom.
	I'm very particular about our backyard.
	It's a real proper English garden.
	And now everything's covered with snow.
	And I don't know if everything will survive it.
	Ooh.
	Yeah.
	Oh, well.
	So last week, John, we did the show on Saturday, right?
	Last week.
	So it's Sunday today.
	Yeah.
	And so we were probably still basking in the glory of another fine program shoved out the wires through the tubes known as the interwebs when the Federal Reserve was making deals, cutting all kinds of corners in secret on a Sunday.
	To save, well not to save Bear Stearns, but to, I guess to help out J.P. Morgan or, I don't know man, this actually blew me away.
	This is unprecedented.
	Seems like corruption of some sort.
	No, I think it's punishment, actually.
	I know a lot of the guys over at Bear Stearns, or I guess I did know a lot of the guys over at Bear Stearns.
	And they're kind of a maverick.
	They also didn't help bail out some other banks about, I think it was maybe about 9 or 10 years ago.
	I mean, look, obviously the government could have put the $30 billion into Bear Stearns.
	That would have worked.
	But no, they gave it to JPMorgan Chase.
	So that they could then use that as a security for buying Bear Stearns.
	So I think it's punishment.
	It's like, alright you guys, screw you.
	We're not bailing you out.
	I like it.
	I like the theory.
	The thing that bugs me the most about the Bear Stearns story is besides the fact that Jim Cramer said not to get out of Bear.
	I know six days before, right, he was yelling, everything is fine at Bear Stearns.
	And is that you look at the chart, I think at Bear Stearns it sometimes was one, maybe $160 a share, and then it was $60 a share when Kramer was telling people not to worry about it.
	And now it was two.
	Last time when it hit bottom, I guess we're on two.
	I'm thinking, what a fan...
	I mean, this is a short...
	You know, or a put or a short that would, with very little money, would have made anyone an instant millionaire.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	Although, it's not trading at $2.
	It's actually trading at, I think, $7 or $8.
	Well, that would have been a good buy down at the bottom then.
	I don't think it actually went to $2, John.
	That's the purchase price.
	Really?
	It went all the way down to $2?
	I thought it was hovering around $7 or $8.
	I think in this bad day, I think it bounced off of two.
	I'd have to look it up, but it was down there.
	But that purchase includes the building, which, hey, by the way, I wouldn't mind buying the building for $230 million.
	It's worth like $1.2 billion.
	It's amazing that the real estate is tied up in the package.
	Yeah, I'm telling you, someone got slapped.
	And actually, I think it's pretty good, because considering that most of these fund managers and bankers, they actually got paid on the deal, right?
	So they lost all this money, or the money that they...
	We're trading with was based on bad debt, but every single time they do a trade, they make money anyway.
	And so now they actually got punished because all the shareholders, of course, are completely screwed on this deal.
	So I'm sticking with the theory.
	It was a fuck you from the Fed and, of course, the other banks who were all part of the mysterious organization known as the Federal Reserve.
	I like it.
	Mm-hmm.
	But of course the economy is just about to go into the tank, but luckily...
	Well yeah, big time.
	We're doing a good job of rigging the books.
	Well, they're really trying to stop it, but there's no confidence.
	No one believes anyone has any money.
	Now, the games are being played that you and I aren't in, but I'm sure they're fun to watch from the sideline.
	Rumors come out, it's like, oh, HBOS is out of funny.
	Oh, JP Morgan, they're going to buy it, but they're going to buy Bear, but they're actually running into trouble themselves.
	You know what bothers me more than anything else is the fact that the Canadian dollar is more valuable than the U.S. dollar.
	By a nice margin these days, I believe, as well, huh?
	Well, no, I think it's...
	I mean, it's always been, you know, 75 cents just a few years ago.
	Now it's like, I think it's just over a dollar.
	But it's...
	The Canadians are getting the biggest kick out of it.
	Of course, it ruins a lot of gags that comics like to use.
	Yeah, we can't tell any more good jokes about our northerly neighbors.
	Right.
	You know, and they're gloating.
	Although I have to say, one of them reminded me sometime back that this was the same situation around 1977, or maybe it was 1972 or something like that, when we were in the Vietnam War, the Canadian dollar became as valuable as the U.S. dollar.
	So it seems to have something to do with the war.
	And speaking of the war, we got a voicemail comment, which is short.
	I wanted to play for you because apparently we missed something really big in the news.
	Hi Adam, Eric from Portland here.
	I just finished listening to No Agenda, and you and John were duped.
	The story is in Spitzer.
	On Tuesday, William Fox Fallon, Admiral William, CENTCOM commander, was forced to resign.
	On Wednesday, Spitzer announces his resignation.
	This is like General MacArthur saying, I don't want to invade Japan and resigning.
	But nobody's talking about Fox Fallon resigning because of the salacious details in the Spitzer story.
	And you even got sucked into it.
	If those two things aren't related, if the timing's not related, I just can't believe it.
	But I thought you'd point that out, and maybe you can take that up on no agenda.
	Interesting theory, huh?
	Well, you know, there's no doubt that we're duped on a day-to-day basis.
	I think the general public is.
	Journalists are observers like ourselves.
	So it's quite likely that we were duped, in fact.
	And I don't ever deny being duped.
	I get duped a lot.
	Even by your own wife?
	When was this?
	Doesn't the wife always dupe us all the time, dude?
	Yesterday, we were supposed to do a show, and I was like, grocery shopping.
	Come on, talk about being duped.
	Yeah, well, you know, I actually would prefer doing grocery shopping to this show, but that's another story.
	Oh, that hurts.
	Damn, that hurts.
	I like to shop.
	I forgot that about you.
	You do like to shop.
	I'm not a big shopper.
	So my son is down here looking around for him to get a jacket and wanted to go to a bunch of used clothing stores because he's tall but thin.
	And he had to find something that fits.
	So they were going to go shopping in San Francisco to a bunch of these vintage places.
	And there's a lot of them in San Francisco.
	And some of them have amazing product.
	And so he said, do you want to come?
	My wife asked me.
	And then she says, wait, wait, no, no.
	No, it'll make my son nervous with me around.
	And I realized that even though I do like to shop, I don't shop like a girl.
	I essentially power shop.
	Boom, boom, boom.
	I get in and I get out and I try to hit as much stuff as I can as fast as I can.
	Women when they shop, if you've been shopping with them, especially for clothes, my God, you might as well shoot yourself.
	They look at everything.
	They look at all the prices, and they try a million things on, and they don't buy anything.
	And they're just so slow and boring shoppers.
	It's just horrible.
	Well, unfortunately, this was nothing as exciting as that.
	This was like the toilet paper, the paper towel, that kind of run.
	I hate those runs, man.
	Everything is heavy, except for the paper towels, obviously.
	Everything is heavy.
	It's like, get the orange juice, get the milk.
	It's heavy, heavy stuff.
	Yeah.
	It's not that heavy, for God's sake.
	And by the way, when we shop for toilet paper, paper towels out here on the West Coast, of course, you always buy all that stuff at Costco.
	So you buy these huge packages of like 50 rolls.
	Yeah, that's what I mean.
	It's the same thing.
	You still got to do that monthly run, right?
	You got to do the big one.
	We don't crap that much.
	I'm so full of shit, I need lots of toilet paper.
	I got it all over the place.
	Oh, man.
	You know, every few months, maybe.
	You know, yesterday we were supposed...
	Actually, John called, and I had gotten a little confused by the time changes.
	I love this, where America is the only country in the world that springs forward into daylight savings time before the rest of the world, two weeks, if I'm not mistaken.
	So I'm a little confused about the time, but actually we were doing something up here in the attic, which doesn't occur very often.
	Patricia had come to me and she said, you know, she's doing that Holland's Got Talent thing I told you about, the Dutch version of the reality kind of format judging show.
	She's a judge?
	Yeah, she's a judge.
	And so she knows the host of the show.
	We've known the host of the show for a long, long time.
	And he's kind of a flamboyant, very successful singer.
	And so they're going to do a song together during one of these live shows which come up further in May.
	She said, you know, I've got this great idea.
	We talked about this last week.
	She wants to do kind of like a Martha and the Reeves, Martha Reeves and the Vandellas and Wham, you know, Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go and Heat Wave, kind of that type of vibe.
	And it doesn't happen very often.
	We've been together 22 years.
	She says, would you help me put together a demo?
	I'm like, I'm not really a musician.
	You can program that shit all in media on the computer.
	So that we were up until all hours of the night last night doing this thing.
	You want to hear a piece?
	Yeah, I think so, but don't play too much because it violates our rules.
	Oh, what?
	Having no agenda?
	Oh, no music, you mean.
	Believe me, it's not music, okay?
	It's a demo.
	It doesn't count as music.
	I'll play a little piece for you just so you get the idea.
	Go.
	I'll give you one little chorus.
	Go.
	I forgot to mention it's in Dutch.
	It's kind of a Motown sound, huh?
	You just want to show off the fact that your wife has a voice.
	I want to show off the fact that I actually played a bass line on the computer without having any talent.
	Yeah, well, you can do a lot on the computer nowadays with all this.
	You can get drums and all kinds of cool things.
	No kidding!
	I have this Logic Studio that you can buy for Apple, and I've never really cracked the box, but man, oh man, it's amazing what you can do with that program.
	That's why you're up all night.
	Yeah, if I'm not making Motown music, I'm worrying about the rest of the world.
	That's what I'm doing, my friends.
	I'm killing ants.
	Big story over here, John.
	Did you see this thing about Form?
	P-H-O-R-M? No.
	Oh, this is a really big story.
	It's a company that delivers a service.
	I think it comes in the form of a server or a box that you install to ISPs.
	And what it does is it injects advertising into web pages that pass through it.
	So basically...
	I love that.
	Yeah, isn't that great?
	So you have Virgin Media, TalkTalk, BT, you know, basically 80 or 90% of the internet service providers here in the UK have now all signed up to this program, and it's opt-out, okay?
	So, and even if you opt-out, it's still all going through this, I guess...
	You know, like a proxy server that these guys install, and they install a cookie on your machine, or on your web browser, I guess.
	Yeah, which is technically on your machine.
	And then they'll replace irrelevant ads with relevant ads.
	And it's kind of up in the air.
	They determine what's relevant.
	Well, of course.
	Well, they're tracking you.
	That's why they have all this relevancy.
	And so there's basically two sides.
	The way I read it was, oh, great.
	They're going to take a random webpage and just insert a different standard IAB-sized banner.
	I think it's only for sites that participate.
	But, of course, every ad network, everyone will participate.
	But it's the privacy guys, of course, that are really up in arms about this because it's going through their box.
	Oh, we're not storing it.
	We're not storing any of your data.
	You can't be connected to your actual data.
	It's unbelievable.
	Lies.
	Yeah.
	And I've been getting a lot of calls about people who have left their torrent, you know, BitTorrent servers on all night only to wake up the next day and find out that their ISP had cut them off because someone had contacted the ISP and given them their IP address.
	Was it EAB, I think?
	There's a company out there now that does this.
	Unbelievable.
	We already knew our phones were being tapped, but now it's getting pretty heavy, man.
	Injecting advertising.
	Could they just inject a different voice so that you would sound female instead of what you have now?
	That would be nice.
	Hi!
	Actually, you can make me sound female.
	When you use Audacity, that pitch thing is quite powerful.
	I got one of those.
	I could probably do that on the fly.
	Yeah, you probably could.
	I would probably blow everything up as I usually do when I try and be cool on the technical side.
	Yeah, you do.
	So let's see.
	The news out here is, of course, the battles heating up between Obama and Hillary.
	Right, more distraction.
	But the funny thing is, and that's kind of, I was coming to this conclusion, I actually wrote a note down on this because I wanted to discuss it a little bit, which is the way political people in this country either isolate themselves or they actually do their due diligence, and it turns out that the Democrats seem to be the ones who do the isolation.
	And I only say that because in the office, and this has happened a couple of times when I mention, I listen to Rush Limbaugh.
	Mm-hmm.
	And I listen to him for a number of reasons.
	One, he's got 15 million listeners.
	He's one of the most popular radio people ever.
	So you can learn from him.
	Just that alone.
	But the other thing is, it's like doing due diligence.
	If you're a Democrat and you wanted to see what the Republicans were up to, you'd want to listen to this guy.
	But if you talk to a Democrat about it, they always say the same thing.
	How can you listen to that guy?
	I can't stand him.
	And they won't even listen.
	How do they know they can't stand him?
	Sometimes he's got some really good stuff, really valid.
	Well, the thing he's doing now is called Operation Chaos.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Now I remember why I don't listen to him.
	So Operation Chaos is in play, and the idea is that if there's a primary coming up, he wants you as a Republican to eschew your Republicanism, get a Democrat ballot, which you can do in primaries, and vote for Hillary.
	Huh.
	Why?
	Because he's so pissed off with McCain being the...
	No, no.
	He thinks Hillary's more beatable.
	Oh, okay.
	Gotcha.
	But more importantly, he doesn't really care which of the two, I'll give you the theory, he doesn't care which of the two run as long as this election stays in abeyance, so you don't know who's going to win, so they start sniping at each other to such a point that the Republican will just sneak in up the gut, as it were, while these two people bicker.
	Because it's fairly well known that the sooner you get that over with, the better off you are for the general election.
	Well, it's divide and conquer, right?
	Isn't that the basic principle?
	Yeah, essentially.
	So anyway, so he's doing this Operation Chaos, and I was thinking about a couple of things.
	One, none of my Democratic friends, none of them, know that this is going on.
	And then the ones who do know that it's going, are all up in arms about it.
	It's like it's the world's, you know, it's horrible.
	Even though it turns out that Limbaugh got the idea from a Democrat who pulled it off on a small scale someplace years ago.
	Meanwhile, of course, nobody's listening to this guy anyway, so they're completely clueless.
	I like to listen to Limbaugh.
	I'll listen to this other guy, Michael Savage, who's really entertaining.
	Then I'll listen to Air America if I get a shot at it.
	I listen to Jon Stewart.
	I try to listen to all sides of everything, and you get a pretty well run.
	I just don't take a bigoted approach where I say, I won't listen to that guy.
	How can you – people say this.
	How can you listen to him?
	Well, that's the same people who can actually say, I hate Republicans or I hate Democrats.
	I mean, what kind of language is that?
	I hate red states.
	I hate blue states.
	This is our common language.
	And it's crap, is what it is.
	I agree.
	But anyway, back to Operation Chaos.
	I came to the conclusion, I was thinking about this yesterday, I came to the conclusion that...
	Setting up Operation Chaos and waving your arms a lot about what you...
	I was thinking it's probably having zero effect.
	I mean, I don't even think...
	I think most Republicans wouldn't go through the trouble of voting for Hillary.
	I'm sure a few do.
	But it's not enough to really sway the election.
	But it's enough to freak out.
	It's almost like a psych game, a head game on the Democrats.
	That he appears to be doing this, whether he is or not.
	But he's just latching on to something that already existed.
	I'm reading everywhere.
	Hillary, closet Republican.
	Isn't he just kind of sneaking in on something that's already been out there?
	Maybe.
	All I know is that this election is becoming a laugh riot.
	Did you see Obama's speech?
	Well, here's the other thing that's interesting about it.
	Yeah, I did.
	And here's the other thing that's interesting about Obama.
	Another thing that Democrats don't get.
	They have no idea how much the Republicans are experimenting with how to hound this guy over this Reverend Wright.
	In fact, if you talk to most of them, I would include my son in this, who obviously goes to Evergreen College.
	He's a college kid.
	He's not going to be a Republican.
	And he...
	He's not even, he said, well, it's not a big deal, blah, blah, blah.
	None of these people, since nobody listens to these shows, have any idea how much they're just working this in the background.
	Of course they are.
	It's a perfect opportunity to be met.
	They're tweaking all the time.
	Yeah, they're constantly tweaking.
	And I think he's got a real problem with this character.
	And especially when more, you know, there's two things I think are going to come out more about this right if it's Obama.
	And then Hillary.
	I keep hearing these stories about how horrible she is in her personal relationships with the Secret Service.
	You know, she screeches a lot, apparently.
	Somebody has to have a tape of this that they're sitting on.
	Of her just going off and going ballistic.
	What's her problem?
	She doesn't like the Secret Service?
	She's just apparently bossy and profane.
	She cusses like a truck driver.
	She doesn't look like it at all, John.
	That's funny.
	She cusses like a truck driver and is extremely...
	She's just mean.
	Yeah, I buy that.
	Somebody has to have a tape of this.
	I just don't believe, you know, if all these stories are true, that somebody, like half a dozen people, haven't secretly taped her screaming at them.
	So that's the next thing.
	Well, the Republicans might try that to shake it up a bit.
	You know, let's not mess with Clinton.
	I think they're going to save that for the general election, though, if they have it.
	Oh, man.
	No sooner had we agreed that your theory was that it would be Clinton with Barack Obama as a VP, than did the Clintons actually start to kind of message that.
	Pretty interesting.
	Yeah, it's rigged.
	It may happen that way.
	You certainly called McCain, man.
	And by the way, it's not too late to all get behind Ron Paul if you're looking at what's going on with the Federal Reserve.
	That's one of the things he wants to bust up.
	You know those guys that are taking your money, stealing it from you, printing it and giving it to themselves?
	Those guys?
	How do we do that?
	How do we make the general public understand that they're being...
	That people are stealing from them.
	I think they just assume that's happening.
	I don't think that you're going to inform anybody.
	In fact, they probably think they're being ripped off more than they actually are.
	Well, just in this past weekend, three people from my immediate friends and family circle have contacted me.
	All three of them were in some form of financial crisis.
	And it's all directly relatable to high adjustable rate mortgages on short term, no ability to refinance, house prices coming down.
	None of them, by the way, in the United States.
	All Europe.
	It's really happening.
	It's amazing to me how the Americans have managed to screw up the Europeans with this scam.
	I thought those guys had some brains.
	The guy at UBS, the head of one of the big Swiss banks, he's like, they're in trouble.
	I mean, how does a Swiss bank make this mistake?
	I thought they were pretty conservative.
	It's real easy because there's derivatives trading going on all the time.
	Billions of dollars a day and it's all based on three levels deep of, look, I've got this bond from that guy and it's backed by that guy's this thing and so here's my position and I'll trade that with you for some Swiss francs and we'll blow out some euros and give me some dollars and you got any oil and when one guy starts to unwind in that whole process, it's like a chain.
	So everyone's involved in it.
	I mean, who do you think the UBS is trading with?
	They're not only trading with Asia, they're trading with the US, so that's how they're affected.
	Well, I find it amusing.
	Yeah, sure.
	And they had some runs on the banks, I guess, in Britain and elsewhere.
	We haven't had that yet.
	No, the run on the bank was Northern Rock.
	That hasn't happened since, was that January or just before the new year?
	No, okay.
	What Northern Rock is doing now and what people are complaining about is they're offering these amazing savings account deals, which is higher than any competitor can offer in the marketplace, obviously because they're safe, right?
	They're owned by the government, so they got this 6.5, 6.7% interest rate.
	Really?
	So what's the name of this bank again?
	We could invest in that bank in the United States.
	Yes, Northern Rock.
	There you go.
	It would be a perfect idea.
	I'm not sure how much longer the dollar is going to keep sliding at some point.
	It's a cycle, even though it's caused by various things, but it can go up and down.
	Yeah, it can, but...
	It has to go down a little bit in the next few months because of all this money that's being printed.
	It's obvious.
	You can't just flood the market with more money and not expect the dollar to go down, so it has to drop a few more points or basis points or whatever.
	Really, I think we could...
	We could actually see...
	A $2 euro.
	You mean a $2 euro?
	Yeah, a $2 euro.
	Crap, that would be like the pound.
	It would be horrible.
	Well, you watch.
	We'll see all kinds of things happen.
	We didn't talk about Fallon, though.
	About him quitting.
	He's from the Central Command.
	Yeah, well we didn't.
	I think that's interesting.
	He was the guy in charge.
	He took over from, was it, probably I forget his name.
	Wasn't he like given a, didn't he find himself in a situation where he became a figurehead?
	And so he just got sick of it and quit?
	Well, I guess that's one story, but isn't it coincidence that he quits one day before Spitzer resigns in the midst of the whole Spitzer deal?
	Yeah, I think that's great.
	It's amazing that that could be, you know, I find it hard to believe that that could actually be manipulated.
	Well, what is the problem, by the way, with the United States and the United, well, the United Kingdom has a different problem with it, but in most countries in the world, this is just not that important.
	And by the way, I'm pretty sure if I got caught, my wife would say, well, at least they were expensive hookers.
	Yeah, I know, but you weren't an attorney general who was harsh on crime and used to be a pontificate about it.
	There's a big difference, I think, of some guy.
	If the guy was just like a slacker and he didn't have all this background, all this baggage of being a do-gooder, a lawman, as it were, I don't think this would have been much to it.
	It would have blown over.
	Right, but I think I'm going one level deeper.
	Why is the actual act of prostitution such a big deal in the United States and the United Kingdom?
	Because it's against the law?
	Well, yeah, but why is it against the law?
	It's not against the law in every country in the world, John.
	You know, wake-up call.
	Well, it's not against the law in Nevada, either.
	But...
	Well, I don't know.
	I think everyone would say it's just a Puritan background.
	It's just one of those things.
	You put these kind of systems together and you kind of stick with it as best you can.
	And then when somebody takes an opposite approach where they say, well, prostitution is legal every place else.
	Why can't we have it here?
	I don't know.
	It just doesn't work that way.
	But it's like hypocritical.
	I mean, the best porn in the world comes from America, of course.
	I think actually most of us served out of Canada, to be honest about it.
	Oh, but all the women are from America, dude.
	They're all hot.
	They're all hot LA babes.
	They're all hot.
	You do the same thing.
	You run into a porn site.
	Yeah.
	Which happens from time to time, yes.
	It happens a lot.
	And so you look, and you look, and you look, and you look, and you go, and when you look, it's like most of it is repetitive.
	It's kind of redundant.
	But the one thing you notice is how many women are having their picture taken in these situations.
	I mean, thousands and thousands and thousands.
	Where are these girls?
	And how come they're not here with me?
	I don't remember when I was next.
	I don't remember him in high school.
	I mean, we're talking, I mean, it's like, it's endless.
	But I also have, you know, John, I also want to tell you that having sex, casual sex, is also very different than from you and I when we were youngsters.
	It's really changed.
	Kids have a very different attitude about it these days.
	Yeah, but does the attitude include having your picture taken while you're doing it?
	Is it some sort of mark of honor?
	I mean, I don't get it.
	It's always the girls, by the way.
	The guys rarely have their picture taken.
	They have more sense.
	Well, there's no market for naked guys, okay?
	Yeah, but there is, but you've got to be a particular type of naked guy.
	Just regular guys like us, no market for us naked.
	No, that's true.
	I agree with that.
	But how come there's a lot of fat chicks that are having their picture taken naked and they're showing off and smiling?
	Because there's a market for it.
	There's a huge market for fat chicks.
	There's a huge market for that.
	That's really, really big.
	It's...
	You know, there's a couple things going on.
	One is easy money.
	No doubt about it.
	It's just the easiest money to make.
	I mean, I'm just saying that without actually being a woman and being in that situation.
	Of course, there's all kinds of bad stuff that goes on with porn.
	But also, look at the number of porn stars who have gone on to be quote-unquote successful media stars.
	It's a way in, dude.
	Out of 10,000, how many?
	Well, certainly ten, but it doesn't matter.
	It's a way in.
	I mean, over here in the UK, page three girls, you know, Jordan, one of the most photographed and very successful, now she's a model, started just by basically being on page three with her boobs hanging out.
	Yeah, I mean, so I think part of that, you know, that's an extended piece of show business.
	But still, I mean, it's just so weird.
	It's definitely show business.
	Hey, I love being a show businessman.
	There's nothing like being in the business of entertaining people when there's a recession or even a depression happening.
	That's the best time because everyone's pissed off, angry, and it's so easy to play into that.
	Because all people...
	I'm sorry, but yeah, people in show business, restaurant business, and writing tend to do well.
	They don't tend to do well, but they tend to get through depressions.
	I think, no, I've always done very well because people are, I can't, I would love to do a live radio show now, like a live, you know, with people being able to call in because people are upset, you know, it's great.
	There's emotions flowing.
	When everyone's happy and having a good time and partying, they don't want to listen to the radio.
	I want to listen to a podcast when they're upset and when they want to have their lives enlightened.
	What do you think people listen to this podcast for?
	I think they listen to it in the car when they're driving to work.
	We have a lot of dedicated fans.
	It's kind of interesting.
	Yeah, and the number of dedicated fans is consistent.
	We have a good organic growth.
	I don't know why.
	People say they get hooked on it.
	I think it's just because they're listening to two guys talk.
	I think it's eavesdropping.
	Yeah, it's an eavesdropping thing.
	That's part of it.
	I think they learn something.
	For instance, if I were to say to you, John, you're the right guy to ask.
	What the hell is the deal with Tibet?
	I mean, what is going on with Tibet?
	Please explain this to me.
	This country, how many people live in this country?
	In Tibet?
	Yeah, 300,000.
	That's a good question.
	I'd have to look it up on Wikipedia.
	Which, of course, is the God's honest truth.
	Obviously, no one likes seeing monks getting bashed over the head.
	Okay, I get that, right?
	That's messed up.
	But is this like a Taiwan situation where China actually annexed them and then, like Taiwan said, no way, we're our own little island here?
	You know, it has a lot to do with the fact that the Dalai Lama, in whatever iteration he's in, got thrown out of the country, essentially by the Chinese, and, you know, is subject to arrest.
	And I think that's pretty much where it is.
	This is a religious thing more than anything.
	I mean, that's...
	Now I'm going to get...
	I don't want any email from anybody.
	Well, this is the whole point.
	They've got signs hanging over the freeway.
	Free Tibet, free Tibet.
	They're telling me to free Tibet.
	What am I supposed to do about it?
	But that's my point.
	What is going on with Tibet?
	I mean, Richard Gere hangs out with the Dalai Lama.
	I mean, what's going on?
	Wait, let me just Google this.
	What is the...
	Here, let's try it.
	Deal.
	What is the deal with Tibet?
	Let's see what we come up with.
	Hold on.
	I misspelled the...
	Okay.
	Oh, top hit.
	Here we go.
	Answers.yahoo.com.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Let's check it out.
	What is the deal with Tibet?
	There's a source of good information.
	Here it is.
	The question was...
	This is your internet at work.
	What is the deal with Tibet?
	Did China overthrow them?
	Or has it always been a part of China?
	Is it boycott the Olympics?
	Tibet is to China as Taiwan is to China.
	That's the first answer.
	Both are independent and would rather be left alone.
	That's not even close to being accurate.
	Taiwan has always been a part of China.
	Not according to the Taiwanese.
	It was Formosa for a while.
	I think before, I mean, if you go back far enough, the island I think was, I don't know, well, again, you know, I used to know this stuff when I used to go back and forth a lot, but I haven't been to China or Taiwan for a while, but as far as I know...
	Of course, again, I'm going to get some...
	I don't want to get into this because there's so many people out there with a political agenda regarding...
	I'm a little disappointed, John.
	Yeah, but I'm a little disappointed.
	Forget the emails, okay?
	So you don't know is the answer.
	That's okay.
	I don't know either.
	But it's like, this place...
	Let me just see.
	How big is it?
	First of all, it's up really high.
	16,000 feet.
	So no one wants to live there in the first place.
	You can't breathe.
	There's no air.
	Referred to as the roof of the...
	I'm looking at Wikipedia now.
	The roof of the world.
	It doesn't say how many people live there.
	I just don't understand it.
	It has to be that...
	I guess they're just trying to...
	It must be a boycott the Olympics, Chinese, or bad.
	A lot of this has to do with the Olympics.
	Everybody's trying to embarrass China right now because they have a bone to pick.
	They've gotten nowhere before, and now they've got this Olympics thing, and China's banking on it to prove that they're cool.
	Right, but then why did we agree to let them have the Olympics?
	They blamed the Olympic Committee, not me.
	I didn't agree.
	I wasn't voting.
	I wasn't asked.
	So it's all about money.
	The whole Olympics is all about cash, man.
	But anyway, give them your email address, Adam, so the free Tibet folks can send you...
	Yes.
	It's john at devorac.org slash blog, LTD, Inc.
	A Delaware corporation.
	Yeah, I know you're chicken.
	The Wikipedia page is so...
	John, it's like there's more information on this page.
	It goes on for like...
	I've been scrolling for the past two minutes here.
	Tell me it's something with oil or something, man.
	There's got to be something more important than just turf.
	I guess there's nothing more important than turf.
	No, I think that they just don't like the Chinese.
	Here we go.
	There's a couple million.
	Six million.
	Okay, I'm sorry.
	Six million.
	Six million.
	All right, that's not that.
	That's significant.
	Hmm.
	Alright.
	So, I don't know.
	I just thought you'd know.
	What the hell is going on?
	No.
	All I know is that they want me to free Tibet when I drive under the freeway overpass, and I got nothing to do with it.
	How can we help Tibet to be free?
	What do we do?
	Boycott the Olympics?
	Is that it?
	Don't watch?
	Well, you know, the thing that gets me is that Tibet is a very spiritual country and they believe in all kinds of different things.
	It seems to me, and I would say this especially with the meditators out there, why don't they just kind of will it to happen?
	Because they have all these meditative skills and spiritual connections to the outside world.
	Why don't they just will China out of existence?
	Yeah.
	Gee, that's a good point.
	I'm just saying.
	You know, they can do this.
	This reminds me of the, you know, I drive around, you drive around Berkeley, it's a psychic fair.
	And it has the, I think, you know, if everybody's so psychic, why would they have to put a sign up?
	Yeah, go bet on the lotto.
	You're done.
	You don't have to do anything.
	Psychic fair.
	Yeah.
	Well, anyway.
	Did you know I was, I always want to go in and I want to expect everyone to know I was coming.
	You know, I never get that.
	Er ist hin.
	Es ist John C. De Warag von dem Blog.
	Ja, du mal.
	Ja.
	That was a German psychic fair I just took you to.
	Yeah.
	Hey, big revelation, man.
	Big, big, big revelation.
	Steve Case was his flock of seagulls.
	Are you fucking kidding me?
	What?
	No, you couldn't hear it.
	Well, I know I couldn't hear it, but it's something about Steve Case and this guy who sounded like he was just let out of the insane asylum.
	He was laughing.
	He was listening to the conversation where I said that I thought Steve Case was in Flock of Seagulls.
	Oh, that is pretty funny.
	I guess he's not.
	I'm so sure.
	I'm so sure.
	It made so much sense.
	From being a flock of seagulls, yeah.
	So I have a list that I wrote yesterday morning because we were supposed to do this show yesterday, and I've already forgotten what these topics are about, but I should read it.
	Oh, another John C. Dvorak list, everybody.
	I'll see if I can decipher it.
	Here we go.
	Okay, well this one here I do remember.
	Wave auto dish washing gel.
	Wave auto dish washing gel.
	Okay, so a number of months back, Costco had, there's this product called Wave, and it's a biodegradable, ultra-organic, you know, dishwashing gel, as opposed to electrosol.
	And so you use this stuff.
	This stuff, and they were selling it for next to nothing, so I bought a bunch of it.
	Because it was like three of them for a dollar or something.
	And then they also had the Wave clothes washing detergent.
	So I used the dishwashing gel.
	It won't take anything off of a dish.
	Yeah.
	Because it's environmentally friendly, twice as expensive and half as effective.
	It doesn't do anything.
	But the clothes washing stuff is good.
	What do you use?
	For the dishwashing?
	Yeah, I'd like to know.
	Dishwashing and then for the clothes.
	Dishwashing first.
	Well, for the dishwashing, I use electrosol.
	I try to use the liquid because I don't...
	What's electrosol?
	Is that a brand name or is that a type of...
	Yeah, it's a brand name.
	And there's another name.
	It doesn't make any of the good ones, but I think it's electrosol is the one I use the most.
	I like those little pillows that they have now.
	You just put that in.
	Yeah, I don't like those.
	Well, I love those.
	Those work great.
	Yeah, it just seems like a hokey idea.
	You're a powder guy.
	For people who can't measure, I guess.
	Now, for dishwashing, years and years ago, I went and gave a speech to some group.
	And it was either Colgate, Paul Molliv, or Procter & Gamble people.
	And I got into a discussion with these guys about detergents.
	And the guys made it very clear to me that what happened with all these environmental laws that took the phosphates out of, if you remember, out of detergents, because it was making too much weird stuff grow in the water.
	Once those those were removed, he says that all the, you know, powdered detergents for washing your clothes were useless unless you bought some from Mexico or someplace where they still left the phosphates in.
	And, but they found substitutes for all these, these detergents, but none of them could be made into flakes.
	That's when the liquid detergent started to show up on the market more and more and And it turns out, and the guys with no uncertain terms, I tell people this too, no uncertain terms says do not buy powdered clothes detergents because it's got nothing going for it.
	It's feeble.
	But the liquid stuff is still as good as it's ever been.
	But the reason that it's liquid is because some of these chemicals cannot be...
	Dry out and you can flake it and make it into a...
	But the liquid stuff is chemicals that you can't do that with.
	So it wasn't just a marketing exercise.
	It was actually the other way around where a client comes in and says, we've got to go to liquid.
	Right.
	No, it was done for practical reasons.
	But the public generally doesn't know this and they still buy the powder.
	I don't buy powder, man.
	I'm liquid all the way.
	Anyway, so that's on that list.
	So that was just a bitch about this dishwasher.
	Let me go down the rest of the list.
	Top of the list, tongue.
	Tongue, as in something you ate or something you received?
	I cooked tongue over the weekend.
	Okay.
	How was it?
	You know, I hadn't cooked it for about 25 years, because I used to cook it every so often.
	And I didn't realize how long you have to cook it.
	It's a serious piece of meat.
	I mean, a proper tongue can, you know, how many ounces is that?
	It's pretty big, but it's like, the point is, I think it was like two pounds or something like three pounds, maybe.
	Yeah, but the thing was that I, you know, was it just, I didn't cook it long, even though the recipe is very, because I was trying to remind myself how I did it before, and so I cooked it for an hour and 15 minutes, which is just a joke.
	How did you cook it?
	Did you, uh, boil?
	Yeah, boiled tongue.
	Boiled, yeah?
	Okay.
	Now, uh...
	But after the boiling, you take it out and what, you just sear it or you just serve it completely?
	No, no, no.
	You don't have to.
	You just pull off the skin and then you slice it thin and put some, like, various kinds of maybe sauces on, like a tomato sauce.
	I like tomato sauce to be good.
	But anyway, the, uh, so I left it, I put it back in there and cooked it for another 10 hours.
	And, uh, then it was good, but it was too late, you know, because, you know, the dinner was screwed up.
	So that's my tongue story.
	Was it, before you continue, was it from one of your named animals?
	Did this come from the big freezer?
	No.
	Oh, you just bought tongue?
	It came from the Chinese Ranch 99 places.
	We're only supposed to get tongue now.
	It's in a Chinese butcher.
	Off the rack.
	Disappointed.
	Well, I just wanted to get the recipe down.
	Next time we order an animal, I'm going to make sure we get the tongue and then I'll cook it right.
	Was it a good tongue?
	You sure it wasn't a tongue malfunction?
	I was thinking that was a possibility, but then after having cooked it another 10 hours, I realized it was me.
	Okay.
	Next on your list of jolly notes.
	Which was Obama, which we talked about.
	I did get that.
	And here's one that's interesting.
	I wrote this down.
	Glassware mess.
	Glassware mess.
	It's like Carnac.
	Well, yeah, glassware mess.
	What is...
	I give up.
	Glassware mess.
	So I'm looking in my cabinet, and I realized this when I was visiting somebody recently, and I think there's two types of personalities in the world.
	Okay.
	One of them, you know, just has a...
	If you open up their cupboard, you find all kinds of glass.
	I have, like, you know, cups from...
	You know, from NetSuite, IBM, Microsoft.
	It's just a mess.
	The glassware is, I mean, I do have, you know, sets of wine glasses, but they're mixed in with a bunch of half, you know, a set that's half broken.
	I kept the one glass because it was one of my favorites, and You know, so I got a glass, you know, original crystal from someplace.
	You know, this is one piece left and it gets chipped.
	Anyway, so the whole cabinet, I was at somebody's house and I opened their cabinet up to get a glass and I noticed that they had, you know, it was kind of neat.
	They had kind of the matching glassware and then there was a bunch of crap just like mine.
	And then you go to somebody's house and you open the cabinet and all the glasses and cups are all aligned, all perfectly right.
	And they're all matched.
	And there's no oddballs.
	There's no screwball ones.
	There's no commemorative glasses.
	There's none from the winery.
	There's none of the cups that you get at work.
	There's nothing but something that you bought.
	And I'm thinking, what is the difference?
	And is it better to go?
	Because I hate this.
	The fact that I have this mess of glassware, but I can't bring myself to throwing away these valuable cups.
	Well, I think this is probably...
	I get the feeling you have an organized cups all from the same, all look the same, and all the glasses look the same.
	You would be severely disappointed, or perhaps you'd be very happy.
	I don't know.
	We are exactly the same as you.
	You open up our cupboard, and it's...
	Well, not the problem, it's...
	We've gotten lots of beautiful silverware, which was wedding gifts, crystal, you name it.
	What we do is we use it.
	So we just put it on the shelf with all the other stuff.
	And dude, you were talking about your...
	I still have a mug from WITB-FM, which is the college station.
	No, you can't.
	It's indestructible.
	It also won't break.
	When we moved to New York, we stayed in the Mayflower Hotel for the first, I think, six weeks that we were in New York, and then we got an apartment.
	And we still have glasses from the Mayflower Hotel.
	The kinds they bring you in kind of these New York mid-range, mid-to-upper-range hotels, just that indestructible glassware, you know, it's the one they have the plastic over.
	It's usually a water glass that they put the plastic over when they bring it up on the little trolley.
	We must have still five of those, and I know we had 10 or 15.
	You stole glasses from the hotel?
	Yeah, and sheets, everything.
	Sheets, glasses.
	Actually, the maid gave it to Patricia.
	She's like, here, take all this.
	I won't tell anyone.
	Because we'd been living there for like six weeks, you know.
	But I wonder if that's just a different type of...
	I bet you people who have that type of glassware, that type of setup or everything all neat in the cupboard, they have probably other neatness traits throughout their home and other spots, I would bet.
	Well, I'm reminded of a friend of mine who will go nameless who lives down in Woodside.
	But I know a lot of people that live in Woodside, which is one of the ritzier communities on the West Coast.
	John Doerr lives in Woodside, doesn't he?
	It's about John Doerr.
	There we go.
	I think John Doerr lives in San Francisco, to be honest about it.
	No, no, no.
	Well, he might, but the last time I looked, I know for a fact he lived in San Francisco.
	Well, let me go look at my Christmas card from John and the family.
	I'll be right back.
	Just kidding.
	So, whatever the case is, there's a friend of mine.
	And the house, and you run into these houses too, which is, of course, this is like embarrassing.
	I mean, I'd actually maybe prefer what I'm going to describe to what I have, which is an unsightly mess that needs...
	Serious.
	I need a dumpster.
	You're like an eBay warehouse, essentially.
	Well, it's just ridiculous.
	I have other things on my mind rather than picking up the pen that's on the floor.
	Do you put empty cartons back into the fridge as well?
	I used to, but I don't anymore.
	When did you stop doing that?
	When you were 30?
	Something like that, yeah.
	I think when recycling became in, because you have a bin, you have a place to put it.
	But isn't it great you do that and it would automatically wind up in the trash?
	You ever notice that?
	That's amazing to me.
	I love a fridge like that.
	So anyway, so I go to this guy's house, and I swear to God, you were in the Four Seasons.
	The place had Four Seasons decorations.
	It was professionally decorated.
	And the professional decorators, you know, do the Four Seasons, and then they do people's homes.
	Yeah, sure.
	And the home is like being in the Four Seasons, and it's not the most comfortable place in the world.
	It's a nice kitchen, you know, and you can sit around at a perfect table and eat something, but it's like, I find it peculiar.
	Mm.
	People who do that, you mean?
	I've known people, I love this, in South Jersey.
	Patricia and I used to go hang out a lot.
	There were a couple of guys there, and they were having some minor success producing some rock bands.
	You know, when Jersey was really, South Jersey particularly, was really hot with Bon Jovi and Skid Row and those guys.
	And we'd go down there, and so they were all near Tom's River.
	Have you ever been down there?
	Tom's River area?
	Never.
	Okay.
	So, you know, you go to their house, and so, you know, of course they have some shack, and that's a studio, but their house, and they've got, you know, their mom's living there, of course, but then there's mom's mom, and then Pastor Frank, Father Frank stops by, you know, the local priest, and the Italians as well, so there's always lots of food, but their interior...
	They literally went to, I'm thinking, what's the name of it?
	Levitt's.
	Levitt's Furniture.
	And just said, I'll take the whole thing, including the mirror that you have up there and that fake plant for the table.
	I'll take the whole thing.
	And they literally put that into the living room as it was in the showroom.
	It's really easy for people.
	They don't have to think about it.
	That makes sense.
	Well, whatever the case is, I find it distressing to walk into the Four Seasons in someone's home.
	You know, you just...
	I don't know.
	Well, you've never been to my home, so we have elements of both.
	We have...
	Well, you've got the money.
	You've got the money.
	I think that makes a difference.
	It doesn't make any difference.
	No, it makes all the difference in the world.
	In fact, if you like contemporary design and architecture, you don't need any money.
	You just need, like, you know, some bricks.
	Look at modern architecture, man.
	Have you ever seen these washed basins?
	They look like a trough.
	Well, you know the one that gets me is not that washbasin that looks like the trough, but the trendier one, which is the bowl that's the sink.
	And the bowl is on like a piece of granite and it's glued down there.
	And as soon as I look at those things, and even though I'm not a neat freak by any means, I think, how do you clean the bottom?
	We're on the bottom of that thing.
	It's going to collect grime and dirt and goo and God knows what.
	You're never going to get it out.
	Why would you want this?
	I don't know, but it's what everybody wants.
	You know what I'm talking about, right?
	Yeah, of course I do.
	It looks like a salad bowl sitting there in your bathroom.
	Where are the tongs?
	What's the salad bowl doing in my bathroom?
	Looks really nifty with all that glass and metal, though, doesn't it?
	Yeah, if you don't use it.
	And they splash.
	There's this hotel in London.
	Oh, I hate that.
	Yeah, the Sanderson.
	And check this out.
	So when we announced our deal with British Telecom, we did it in the Sanderson.
	BT really wanted to do it there.
	It's a very hip place.
	But, you know, it's one of these, like, 700-pound-a-night jobbies, right?
	With salad bowls in the bathroom.
	But not just that.
	It had an egg, John.
	There was an egg about twice the size of my head, just sitting in the room, in the middle of the room.
	An egg.
	Just an egg?
	Just an egg, yeah.
	Was it made of marble?
	Yes, well, whatever stone it was, yeah, you trip over it all the time and you could barely move the thing.
	But it's like, why?
	You know, what is this?
	Salad bowls?
	Eggs?
	I'm supposed to make my own salad ni soise while I'm up here.
	So anyway, I have run into those salad bowls that were set up.
	So if you turn on the faucet, you don't know how powerful it is.
	It hits the bowl in such a way it comes up and around and it soaks you.
	Yep, yep, yep, yep.
	Yeah, Ron has a place like that in Miami.
	He has a condo, which he spent an enormous amount of time, effort, and money putting together, and it's all like that.
	You walk in, and everything's white or black, or I guess it's granite.
	Do you have to take your shoes off?
	No.
	No.
	That's another thing.
	I know people where you have to take your shoes off.
	Well, you know, you do in general.
	In our house, everyone takes their shoes off.
	That's very Dutch.
	You know, it used to be you take your wooden shoes off at the front door, and then you'd either walk on your socks, or most people have a whole array of slippers, and you just choose a pair that happens to be laying around, or you're designated a pair.
	Very much like...
	I guess some Asian countries.
	I don't know any different than, even if I go into someone else's home, I actually want to take my shoes off because it's very customary.
	You obviously don't.
	Not in your own home.
	No.
	In fact, if you don't have your shoes on, you risk damage.
	Because of the pen laying around.
	Oh, the pen.
	There's a bunch of power supplies.
	You can kick one of them, and man, that hurts.
	Dude, on my next trip out, I want to come to your casa.
	I want to see your place.
	Yeah, I want to see your place.
	It'll be fun.
	My wife wouldn't put up with it.
	Because she knows now that you just come over to ridicule it.
	No, that's not true.
	And I haven't met your wife either, which of course is outrageous.
	Nor have you seen my home or met my wife.
	Maybe it's better that way.
	Yeah, it could be.
	So, but I would like to, you have a, a lot of people don't really, you have that stove.
	I do want to visit your place to cook on that thing.
	The aga.
	Because I've always wanted to cook on it.
	Yeah, the aga.
	You'll like it.
	Yeah.
	People that listen in here, you should go check it out on the internet, aga.
	It's a weird stove that has, you have to learn a whole different way of cooking to even use the thing.
	Anyway, let's go back to my list.
	Yeah, that's not entirely true that you have to learn a whole new way of cooking to learn how to use the aga.
	Okay.
	I don't have one, so I don't know, but that's what I read somewhere.
	Maybe we can get a free one by plugging them in.
	Yeah, that's what I need.
	Another 2,000 pound cast iron stove in my life.
	That's what I need.
	Yes.
	Back to the list.
	Argentine ants.
	Okay, I heard you earlier say you were killing ants, so I have to think it's related to you have ants in your pants.
	There's ants all over the place.
	The problem with California, of course, is we have ants.
	And there are a lot of people who don't realize that the ants that have taken over California some decades ago are called Argentine ants, and they're from South America.
	And they're little guys.
	They don't bite.
	They're not a problem.
	But the weird thing about them is that they're a collective, and it's the only ant breed that if I'm an ant in hive in an ant hole number 45, you know, five blocks from here, and somebody comes and flushes out the ant hole and kills all the ants except me, I can wander over and just join a different group.
	Oh, so they're intersocial.
	Yeah, and so they don't kill each other like a lot of these ants.
	Oh, this ant is not from our group.
	Let's kill him.
	Which makes the ants even more annoying.
	Now, how did they get here if they're Argentine?
	Or is that just the name?
	I think they just crept.
	No, I think they are from Argentina.
	Either somebody brought them up in an ant farm or they worked their way up.
	Are they destructive?
	Do they eat through stuff?
	Or do they just make a mess?
	No, they're, you know, like all ants, they clean up the fact, you know, if you've got a crumb somewhere, they find it and take it with them.
	Or if there's a drop of oil, you know, if they're in the oil-eating mood.
	They're either in a sugar-eating mood or an oil-eating mood.
	It depends on the time of the year.
	But the problem is when you run into, what you want to do is you want to have them attack something.
	So you leave like a chicken bone out or something in the sink and you hope that they go for it.
	And then you let it build long enough so you can see where the heck they're coming in.
	Then you take a vacuum cleaner and you wipe them all out and find that spot and spray it.
	Oh, handy extermination tips from John C. Dvorak.
	Well, it's kind of embarrassing if somebody sees this line of ants.
	But the thing that's interesting is that for some reason over the last few weeks...
	I just have random ants.
	They're looking around.
	They're scouts.
	But I can't figure out where they're coming from.
	They show up and there's an ant on the counter and there he goes.
	And I smash him and hope maybe another ant sees him smash and takes back the message that the ants are being smashed.
	Bad place.
	Don't want to go hang out.
	Have they moved your pen yet?
	Or is that not...
	The pen.
	I picked it up a minute ago.
	Just staying on the ant story, on animals...
	A news story on news.aol.com caught my eye.
	Have you noticed that there's a lot of really big marine life coming to the surface as of late?
	Well, there's a lot of dead areas now in the oceans, too, which is really distressing.
	You read about that?
	Well, no, but I am seeing an 11-foot shark.
	I'm seeing a gigantic starfish.
	I'm seeing huge squid, and I'm seeing jellyfish that are like twice the size of a human being.
	You know, what is happening?
	I don't know.
	I think it needs to be looked into.
	And also, there's all these strange creatures coming up from the depth.
	I've got to show you this picture.
	I should send this to you.
	There's a guy.
	Where is he?
	Maybe a life-threatening volcano is about to blow.
	Well, so here's this guy, Carl Smolinski, and he's in Germany, in Eberswalde.
	He bred a 20-pound rabbit, John.
	You should see this thing.
	The guy's holding onto it like a fucking dog.
	This is like a bogus story that was on the internet.
	No, it's not.
	It's just the guy holding that big phony baloney rabbit that's in Photoshop.
	Come on.
	No, that's AOL, man.
	It's news.
	It's true.
	It can't be false.
	That looks real.
	Looks real.
	You can do that.
	It's what Photoshop's good for.
	It looks real.
	And the Thai catfish, 646 pounds.
	That's pretty crazy.
	23-pound lobster.
	Oh, man.
	What's going on?
	Are these just the granddaddies that are now coming up for the surface?
	Because there's a reason to?
	Cheney.
	Huh?
	It's because of Cheney.
	Because of Cheney.
	The brotherhood is coming to get him.
	Yeah, for real.
	What did I see Chaney on?
	I saw Chaney on...
	He was being asked something.
	Yeah, and his response was so...
	So, yeah, it was like...
	It was about the Iraq War, wasn't it?
	It was a whole slew of things.
	It was actually a poorly worded question, but she went on and on, this woman, asking Cheney about this, that, and the other things.
	And don't you think of the deaths of the civilians?
	Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	And Cheney looks at her and smirks and goes, So?
	So?
	I don't care what people think.
	They're not the boss of me.
	That's literally the way it sounded.
	I know.
	Oh my goodness.
	That guy's a something.
	Alright, back to my list.
	I'm sorry.
	There's more.
	But wait.
	But wait.
	Vasectomies.
	That must have been for your list of items to discuss on Twit.
	That surely was not for this program.
	That's a good one.
	Then let me make a note.
	Adam is funny.
	Thank you.
	That's at 9, what was the time?
	10.03.
	10.03.
	I finally got it out.
	That's right.
	After 61 minutes.
	We got a joke out.
	What are the topics on Twit today, man?
	Do you know what they are yet?
	I don't know.
	I don't even look at the topics until I do the show.
	That's why people listen, by the way.
	I'm convinced.
	So I'll give you my analysis, then we'll get back to your list of vasectomy.
	First of all, you're an interesting guy.
	You're interesting to listen to.
	And you have a lot of experience, certainly more than I have, in a very diverse number of fields.
	And I think that people hear that when they listen to Twit.
	I certainly always have, or Cranky Geeks.
	And they just want to hear more.
	It's kind of like, I'm going to sit on Grandpa John's lap, and I'm going to listen to some fun, cool stories.
	Let me tell you, kids.
	When I was a kid, they didn't have rocks.
	Except in our soup.
	That's why.
	That's what happens when you get older.
	Nothing wrong with it.
	Anyway, so what happens with Twit, you go to delicious, D-E-L-I-C-I-O dot U-S slash Twit.
	And that's the list of news stories that we talk about.
	And anyone can go look at the list.
	You don't have to listen to the show.
	Delicious slash twit?
	Yeah, slash twit.
	You don't have to do that, I found out.
	You can just do delicio.us and it works.
	That's the hardest URL to remember.
	Well, you're always breaking it down.
	It's delicio.us.
	Yeah, that's it.
	Alright, so vasectomies.
	Interestingly, not in the twit tags on Delicious.
	So anyway, I was listening to this comic, Doug Stanhope.
	I'll make a copy of this off the HBO and give it to you next time you're in town.
	Oh, thanks.
	But anyway, he talks about how he had a vasectomy.
	He's kind of young for that, but whatever.
	But I had this book, and it reminded me of this.
	I told people this.
	I can look at a guy and tell if he's had a vasectomy.
	Really?
	His face.
	The face.
	And I'm not talking about, you know.
	Okay, wait a minute.
	Let me just get this straight.
	Let me just get this straight.
	So amongst your many talents, and remember, John has worked for oil companies.
	He's a master chef.
	He's a wine connoisseur.
	He's a technology expert.
	He used to hand deliver PC Magazine to all 30,000 subscribers.
	Not only that, but you can tell just by looking at a guy's face whether he's had a vasectomy or not.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Now, how I got clued into this, let me back up a little bit.
	Oh, please do.
	I had this...
	Oops, ouch.
	Backed up too far.
	So...
	I had this book, and I've just irked to no end that I've lost this book, although I think I might be able to find it in one of the library searches that Google and Microsoft are doing.
	I think it's still around.
	It was a book done in the 20s.
	It was a book on health.
	In the 1920s, vasectomies were used as a way of making people look more youthful.
	It wasn't for birth control.
	It was done...
	It was done for the purposes of, like, instead of a facelift, you'd get a vasectomy.
	Really?
	And it would make you look younger, and they showed all these pictures in this book.
	And I looked at these pictures, and I looked at enough of them, and then I knew enough guys who had vasectomies that I looked at them, and I could see what it does.
	It makes, for some reason, and I talk to people about this, well, they say it makes no sense because all it does is this and that.
	How could it do what you're describing?
	I'm just saying, in the 20s, Because vasectomies were used as a youth serum.
	People get a vasectomy and they look younger by a little bit.
	But in fact, they don't look younger.
	They look different.
	And it makes your face a little puffier and a little softer.
	It's kind of hard to describe, but I'm telling you the truth.
	I have seen, and I've actually done this with friends that have had vasectomies.
	I just look at them and say, you've had a vasectomy, right?
	And the guy said, 99% of the time I'm right.
	Wow.
	Well, let me think how to respond here for a second, John.
	It's impossible.
	Well, that's interesting.
	I would certainly buy that.
	I'm thinking there must be some kind of chemical reaction or balance shift that takes place.
	Well, definitely some hormonal change takes place, I suppose, that causes this youthful look.
	But it's not really youthful.
	It's just, it looks to me, it's always a...
	I don't like the look of that look.
	It doesn't look right.
	Have you ever considered a vasectomy?
	No.
	No, I never.
	I go with the theory that, you know, what happens if I'm the last guy on earth?
	You know, that kind of thing.
	It's unlikely.
	I always say, what happens if I meet Angelina Jolie?
	Baby, we don't want to go to Africa.
	I want to give her a real kid.
	Well, she apparently doesn't want your kid.
	Or anybody else's, from what I can tell.
	No, she's pregnant right now.
	What are you talking about?
	Oh, is she?
	Yeah, she's pregnant.
	I'm sorry, Angelina.
	Who does listen, of course.
	We can count her amongst our treasure trove of listeners.
	You know, I don't think I would ever consider a vasectomy.
	But I can consider the headline, you know, vasectomy, the new Botox for guys.
	I could see that.
	Yeah.
	I got to dig this reference up because I keep bringing up people think I must have dreamed it.
	But it's not true.
	This health book was quite interesting as a matter of fact.
	And I'm just sick that I lost it.
	It was all this crazy stuff from the 20s.
	Yeah, well, you know, it was in the 1800s.
	That women would go to the doctor in the 1800s and 1900s.
	I'm sorry, it was probably early 1900s.
	Women would go to the doctor and the doctor had all kinds of, let's call them tools, that he would use on his patient.
	Because basically what they needed was just one massive orgasm.
	And the doctor would go take care of it.
	it and you see in a lot of popular culture throughout the years and certainly the wild west you know the doctor is usually a very you know stunning dapper young man either that or is a really old guy but he's usually a dapper stunning single guy and all the women in town love him there's all kinds of stuff that I'm sure you can do to your body that will change how you feel or how you look yeah Getting laid helps, apparently.
	Yeah, well, so anyway, so that's my vasectomy thing.
	I came up and I was just thinking about it.
	And I was noticing this comic, although he actually had just barely had the look.
	He's a little young.
	And so when you're really young and you already look young, it's when people are in their late 50s or I guess in their 50s that is more noticeable.
	Yeah.
	And I've actually run into a bunch of guys who are older and they had their three kids and they're going to have a vasectomy because the wife wants it.
	I always think there's something sick about that, by the way.
	The wife wants it.
	The wife wants it?
	Yeah, that doesn't sound very healthy.
	The wife wants it.
	Maybe cut your balls off too while she's at it.
	Give your fucking tube to piss out of.
	So the guy has the thing, and I've actually talked to him.
	Why?
	I've never been able to talk anybody out of getting one.
	But whatever.
	If people want to do it, it's fine.
	What difference does it make to me?
	Anyway, next on the list.
	Dogs eat scraps.
	Dogs eat scraps.
	You have a dog?
	I've got a bunch of dogs.
	Okay, I would say it's probably related to that then.
	Do they eat the tongue?
	Is that it?
	They had to eat that gnarly tongue you made?
	I had a little...
	Yeah, actually they did.
	The tongue was...
	I kept the tongue in the big pot, chopped it up, threw in a bunch of rice and some pasta and stuff, and just cooked it to the rice, soaked up everything, and the dogs ended up with it.
	The dogs eat scraps.
	There was a story about how some...
	There's some dog hotel where they feed dogs three meals a day, and it's like, you know...
	Oh, yeah, one of those, yeah.
	I had a dog.
	One of my dogs had to have an operation, so I took the dog to the vet, and they had to cut a growth off the dog.
	And I mentioned this to the vet, who was kind of surprised, because they have all these expensive dog foods.
	We rarely feed our dog dog food, except when you're really...
	It's not good for them, too.
	It's too salty.
	There's all kinds of crap in there.
	Who knows what's in there?
	Half of it's dog.
	Dog, horse, and other stuff.
	So anyway, I had an American Eskimo, also known as a Spitz, mean little white dog that lived to be 25.
	I know.
	And the two keys to his long life were, one, scraps, and he didn't get a lot of exercise.
	Yeah.
	You are the ASPCA's dream, my friend.
	You are the poster child right there.
	Feed your dog scraps and don't walk him.
	He'll live forever.
	Did he move at all?
	Did he bark?
	He had a yard.
	I mean, he could do what he wanted, but the fact of the matter is he lived to be 25.
	Yeah, our pets last a long time, too.
	We have one dog left now.
	After that, no more dogs, we've decided, because it's just too much of a responsibility for traveling and stuff.
	And our Yorkie is now 15 and still alive and kicking.
	It's not even a dog, really.
	Yorkies, you've got another five years.
	No, no, no.
	Yorkies don't last that long, man.
	They're like 12, 13 years.
	No, Yorkies are very short.
	This is our second Yorkie, if you can believe it.
	How old did the other one go?
	He went to about...
	I think it was about 11 or 12.
	We had a cat that I had when I was a bachelor.
	He was 24.
	Wow.
	That's long.
	We had to put him down and he wouldn't die.
	I had to give him two shots.
	I'm not kidding.
	His heart wouldn't stop.
	Oh man, I loved him.
	His name was Dickhead.
	He was fantastic.
	Well, you should have stuffed him.
	You know, it's funny you say that.
	We were watching, it was Friday night with Jonathan Ross.
	It's a big talk show, once a week, Friday evening here.
	And they had that German guy on.
	In fact, he had a series, which I think was on in the States as well, where he basically deconstructs the human anatomy.
	And now he's doing art, and he's figured out some process where he'll take human organs, and so he actually strips the skin off, but he'll leave the muscle tissue intact.
	Oh, right, right, right.
	And it plastifies it, or whatever it is.
	Yeah, and it becomes plastic and hard, and it doesn't decay any further.
	And Patricia's sitting there, she's going like, that's fantastic.
	That's what you have to do with me when I die.
	And then you can put me in the corner.
	I said, yeah, I'll have you bent over.
	In the permanent bent over position.
	She said, yeah, that's no problem.
	Just keep me like that.
	That's kind of spooky.
	It's totally creepy.
	Yeah.
	But you could do that with your animals.
	Yeah.
	Better than stuff.
	I don't like this.
	I don't like stuffing.
	That doesn't feel right.
	Yeah.
	If you've ever seen taxidermy, it just like, ugh, kind of creeps me out.
	Well, it doesn't, I don't know.
	Okay, back to the list.
	Wait, you still have more on this list?
	You want me to stop?
	Yeah, a little, let's do an intermezzo.
	It's about you, okay?
	So don't worry.
	Hey, Adam Chris here from Seattle, and I have a comment for you for the No Agenda Show.
	I just can't believe how cavalierly you and John throw things out and then never make mention of any details, one of which being John owned a deli in Washington State.
	Would I like to go to that?
	Hell yes!
	Would I like to go see what a cranky geek does in his deli?
	Oh, abso-frickin-lutely.
	So I just wondered if you could let us know where that is so we can patronize John at Okay, John, if you want people to patronize you.
	It's basically a spice shop, and it's in Port Angeles, Washington on, I think, Front or whatever street.
	Where's one of those business cards?
	I have a cool business card, by the way.
	Amongst all your many business cards, John, of all your entrepreneurial endeavors.
	It's a cool business card because I gave myself the...
	My wife runs it.
	I gave myself the...
	And she's become a spice nut.
	And we've got some wild stuff.
	We're bringing in stuff from Ethiopia now.
	We're going to put up a website that lets people experiment because some of these spices, you obviously...
	I don't know what they use them for, but I figure that you have some use.
	And fusion has never really gone from...
	It's always, you know, let's mix Japanese with French and let's mix Chinese with Italian.
	But nobody's ever thought of going to Ethiopia.
	So we have all these spices.
	And by the way, some of the best spice purveyors in the world are out of London.
	We have to have the stuff brought in from England.
	Well, hold on a second, John.
	Let me just interrupt you.
	What are you now?
	A deli or a spice shop?
	And what is the difference?
	It's a deli because it has a sandwich.
	You can buy deli stuff, but a real orientation is toward these screwball spices from all over the place.
	And I'm telling you, some of the stuff is...
	And we also, I think, have one of the...
	She recently picked up...
	I think one of the best herbs de Provence mixes I've ever had, even in France.
	It's unbelievably nice.
	So you want me to bring some stuff over next time?
	I can make a short little hop to anywhere in London.
	I can pick something up for you.
	Maybe.
	It has to be wholesale, and it has to be large amounts.
	If you think you're having trouble getting into the country now, come in with a bunch of marjoram and see how well you do.
	I'm telling you, it's for cooking, dude.
	Really.
	It's not for smoking.
	But while we're talking about it, let me give it a shot.
	So...
	Okay.
	Alright, back to your list.
	Okay.
	Santuku.
	I think that's the name of it.
	Santuku.
	Santuku Ross, actually.
	That would be a wine?
	No, it's a knife.
	And I'm not even sure I'm pronouncing it right.
	But it's that crazy looking Japanese knife that's got kind of the bend at the top and it's really flat.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's a competitor to a French chef's knife.
	And people are using them all the time now for just general cooking.
	And so I was at Ross, which is a discount place, and they carry a bunch of housewares.
	And they had these kitchen aid santuku knives that were actually pretty nice.
	And they were $12.00.
	So I saw the exact same knife in one of the...
	It actually was in an outlet mall for one of the big brands.
	And it was the exact same knife and it was discounted to $85.
	Wow.
	And so I'm thinking...
	And this knife is good.
	It's rings.
	It's sharp.
	And so I'm thinking, you know, how much of this...
	What kind of markup are we dealing with?
	And it was finally brought home...
	This is another thing.
	It's kind of embarrassing and the kids hate it and my wife is a big fan.
	But I go to the dollar cheap, the original kind, not the chain of dollar stores, but there's like the real mom and pop dollar stores.
	There's one in El Cerrito, California that is run by Chinese right out of Taiwan.
	And it's like everything's a dollar.
	It's still a dollar.
	You can still buy all the products for a dollar.
	So I go in there and there's these really big handled thick blade steak knives, two of them.
	And there's a big old French steak knife style, two of them for a dollar, 50 cents a piece.
	So I said, well, this is going to be my steak knives because I'm looking for steak knives all the time.
	So I buy, you know, eight, ten of them.
	So within, I don't know, within the last year, I go to this place.
	It was another one.
	It was Williams and Sonoma or someplace.
	It wasn't them, but it was one of these kinds of places.
	They had the exact same knife, obviously from China, and they were like...
	How much?
	There was a set of four for $24.
	Mm-hmm.
	So how much of this do you think is going on?
	I'm dealing with a 50 cent product that they're making money on.
	I think it's all around us, man.
	It's everything.
	You walk across the street and there's the same 50 cent item that they're making money on at 50 cents selling for what?
	Six, five bucks?
	Well, probably what happened is all these companies that were selling knives switched their production to China and obviously didn't lower the prices.
	It just got cheap, I think.
	Do they work?
	Do they snap off right there?
	No, these knives are absolutely outstanding.
	Oh, you know what?
	I found one copy of this Santuku knife at Target, which does bring all their stuff in from China.
	It's the exact same knife as this KitchenAid one I paid $12 for.
	Exactly the same, only it had some brand on it.
	I'm not going to remember which brand it was, but it was one of the big boys, one of the German knife companies.
	And it was like this knife was $80.
	Well, that's what brand does for you.
	I mean, what do you think about clothing?
	Yeah, that's what brand does for you.
	It takes your money.
	Yeah, well, thank you.
	Have you seen the branded clothes kids wear today?
	You know, Abercrombie and Fitch.
	Do you think that's worth $250?
	That, you know, a sweater?
	No.
	It's only because it has Abercrombie on it.
	That's what brand is.
	I just have it on the list because I felt like it was something to complain about.
	Okay.
	I'm telling you, there's 50 cent knives.
	I average, of course, now because I'm a cheap tightwad.
	But every time I bring the knife...
	Unfortunately, every time I bring the knife out at a dinner and somebody's there, I have to go through the story.
	You know, which I just...
	John, John, I understand.
	Can you shut up?
	I really understand.
	I really do.
	I'm like that with everything.
	When I know the actual price that it costs to get something onto the shelves, it pisses me off to pay a thousand percent premium on it.
	Absolutely.
	It's ridiculous.
	My wife's that way with the spices, by the way.
	We have a lot of...
	She brought in a bunch of...
	There's a bunch of bakers up in this neck of the woods.
	And so we brought in all these sprinkles, all these kind of crazy things people like to put on top of cupcakes.
	And we buy them by the, you know, ten pounds at a pop.
	And it turns out that you buy those little bitty jars, and they're like three bucks.
	You can buy like pounds of this stuff for three bucks.
	It's unbelievable.
	Yeah.
	Have you ever tried Hachelslauch?
	That's the Dutch...
	What do they call them?
	Sprinkles or jimmies, maybe they used to call them.
	It's a little chocolate, like rat turds, more like mouse turds, really?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we actually have those.
	In Holland, people in the morning, breakfast will consist of a piece of bread, spread butter on it, and then spread these chocolate sprinkles over them, and that's breakfast.
	They might do the same with cheese or, you know, have a couple of different ones, but that's, yeah, and I can get you tons of that stuff for next to nothing.
	Hey man, wanna buy some chocolate jimmies?
	I got tons of it.
	You know the thing that fascinates me about some of this craziness in that area of the world is if you have a hot dog in Denmark, they have this like crunchy, I think it's fried garlic or something that's in little pieces.
	That you can dump on the dog.
	You know what I'm talking about?
	No, I've never been to Denmark, actually.
	Well, if you go to a hot dog stand in Copenhagen, they have these hot dog stands all over the place, and they have these different condiments.
	And one of them is this kind of, it looks like grape nuts, which is a cereal.
	But it's not grape nuts, it's little pieces of what I believe is air-dried garlic.
	And it's very tasty.
	It's crunchy.
	Well, I think in general, the concept of what is a hot dog is understood differently by all different cultures.
	Even to what the actual dog part is.
	In fact, in some countries it is dog, as far as I know.
	Maybe.
	Talking about this, now we've got to wrap this show up, for God's sake.
	But since we're on that subject of hot dogs...
	If anybody goes to Toronto, Toronto has some of the best street hot dogs in the world.
	Maybe, I think, far superior to New York.
	Maybe the best anywhere.
	And generally, last time I looked, I haven't been to Toronto for a number of years, but every time I go there, I always track down one of these carts.
	And they're carts just like in New York.
	They're all over the place.
	Shopsies was the big brand at the time.
	And they have an inexpensive dog.
	It's a couple of dollars or a buck and a half it used to be, but now it's probably whatever the exchange rate is, and it's probably $50.
	But anyway, it's a big dog, and it's served on the same kind of, it's like a sesame or a, I can't remember, I think it's a sesame roll that's got some yellow coloring, and so it's very rich looking.
	It's a high-quality dog, but the interesting thing is that's what got me into using...
	They have their condiment rack, and one of the things they like to use is pepper rings, which, by the way, are almost impossible to get on the West Coast since we use jalapenos instead.
	But these pepper rings, and you just load up like as if it was sauerkraut.
	You load up with these pepper rings, and it's just a delicious product.
	John, that is un-American.
	You need to stop doing that immediately.
	Anyway, that's my hot dog thing.
	I'm a big fan of the street vendor.
	The best street food I ever had was in Thailand, I'd have to say, up north in Chiang Mai.
	In fact, you eat everything on the street in Thailand unless you're a real tourist staying in a hotel.
	Everyone else just eats on the street.
	A little table set up.
	God, I've got to go back there.
	That was a lot of fun.
	It's probably more crowded now.
	Not up north.
	No one goes up north.
	Although I was really disappointed.
	I remember I was doing a documentary.
	And part of the journey was up to Chiang Mai and then even higher, Chiang Rai.
	And that's where the Longneck tribe is.
	You familiar with this tribe?
	No.
	It's the women who have rings around their neck and their necks are really elongated because it's done at an early age.
	I'm sure you've seen the pictures.
	Yeah, you've seen pictures.
	There's all kinds of myths that if they take the rings off, their necks would actually snap.
	I remember that when I was a kid.
	I heard that one.
	So we're like, we're going to go visit them, right?
	And I'm like, okay.
	And that's up near the Burmese border, so it's actually kind of a relatively unstable area in general because of the opium trade.
	And...
	From Shanghai, it was probably like a five or six hour journey by Volkswagen bus on pretty much non-developed roads.
	And I was like, wow, man, we're really going somewhere.
	You know, we even had a police escort was going to pick us up somewhere near the border and they were going to carry on with us.
	And I'm like, you know, this is some place that not a lot of people go to.
	And then all of a sudden we stop and there's this billboard, not just a sign, but like a billboard.
	And it said, long necks this way with a big arrow pointed towards the road.
	I'm like, okay, I have a feeling it's going to be a little different than I expected.
	That was for beer, though, wasn't it?
	Get you some Bud Longnecks.
	You know, we bought the domain name bud.com for a case of longnecks autographed by August Bush.
	Really?
	There's a story for you.
	Budweiser was the first company with our previous company.
	It was on-ramp still before it became Think New Ideas.
	A guy named Bob McCauley called us out of the blue.
	We didn't even have the practice yet.
	We were trying to do something different.
	He basically said, would you build a website for us?
	We said, yeah, hell yeah.
	They wanted Bud.com.
	This guy had it.
	He was really like a fan of Budweiser.
	And so, you know, we said, well, we're your internet guys, so we'll negotiate on your behalf.
	We have some experience.
	Of course, I went through the whole MTV.com thing.
	And then we talked to the guy, and he's like, well, if you get me a case long next, I'm by August.
	It's like, you got a deal, buddy.
	And that was the transaction.
	Wow, cool.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's a good story.
	Internet lore there for you.
	All right.
	Signed by August.
	I think we should wrap this one up, John.
	By the way, that guy should know if he's ever listened to the show that that was probably worth a million dollars.
	I just lost reefer.net, which was close to bud.org, but that's a different story.
	Yeah, we should wrap it up.
	I think we're done.
	I don't think it's worth a million bucks.
	I think most domain names today, really, really good ones are about between $15,000 and $30,000.
	I think that's what they really were.
	Yeah, that's typical, but if you got one, I know that there's still every so often one sells for a mill.
	Yeah.
	Because somebody really has to have it.
	And strangely enough, we still don't go to search.com.
	We don't go to email.com.
	So, what's the value, you know?
	What's the value?
	Well, the art.com, guys, I know, paid a million for theirs.
	You know, I had that guy on my show.
	This is the last anecdote.
	I'll try to top you here.
	So I had the guy on the show in the late 90s when I was doing a silicon spin.
	I had the art.com guy on.
	And I have an art.com hat.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, he was bragging about spending the million because at the time, this is how crazy things were in the late 90s.
	At the time, it looked like you knew what you were doing to the venture capital folks when you dropped a million on your domain.
	Oh, yeah, it looked good.
	So we're spending it the right way.
	We know what we're going after, the real value out there.
	I always thought that was fascinating.
	That was it?
	Yeah.
	That didn't top my long necks, man.
	I'm sorry.
	No, it didn't.
	You win.
	Let's see.
	How long did we do it this week?
	We held out for, oh, man, way too long.
	Hey, by the way, you can't really enjoy this program unless you listen to its throwback to the 60s answer record show.
	Called Yo Agenda.
	You shouldn't give these two idiots a plug.
	You have to.
	It's important because you should listen to that show, John, because people listen so poorly.
	I listen to it once in a while.
	I mean, because once, actually, they have some tips in there that are useful.
	But for the most part, it's some moron from England, some guy from Poland who just can barely speak English.
	I'm Polish, so get a clue, okay?
	So the point, and he thinks I'm a Czech.
	We could have a Czech name.
	So he hates the Czechs.
	And so all he does is he cusses a lot.
	He's worse than you.
	And it's like the worst show.
	And it's just boring.
	They've got nothing to do.
	It's horrible.
	Coming to you.
	I have listened to it a couple of times.
	Mainly just because I'm amused by the vitriol.
	Coming to you from the Curry Manor in Guilford, I'm Adam Curry.
	And I'm John C. Dvorak, not too pleased in Northern California.

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