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Feb. 10, 2008 - No Agenda
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Hello, everybody.
Once again, it is time for the program that has no commercials, no jingles, no music, well, certainly no agenda.
Coming to you from the Curry Manor in the United Kingdom, I'm Adam Curry.
And I'm out here in sunny California.
I'm John C. Dvorak.
John, good afternoon.
Let me launch right into it.
I finally fixed it so that you can hear audio when I play it back.
Yeah, I know.
Do you know how long I worked on this?
You apparently worked on it all day yesterday, or otherwise you would have done the show.
Yeah.
Not just yesterday.
I've been thinking about this for...
It's been at least three weeks, and what I couldn't figure out was...
What I wanted to do is I wanted to be able to send you a mix minus signal, and so I could send my voice fine, and I could send music over, but if I wanted to send something from my handy little cart rack, it was driving me nuts, because you do this on the Mac.
I don't know if you've ever done this.
You can do virtual audio routing.
Have you ever heard of this?
You're doing this on the Mac?
Yeah, you can do...
Well, this isn't going to do me any good.
Yes, it will, because you're going to get a laptop eventually, a new one.
It'll be a Mac.
You know it will.
No, it won't.
I'll say this again.
As much as I think the Mac's a great machine, I like using laptops that are two pounds, absolutely the smallest, the lightest you can get with a full-size screen and a big keyboard, and that's a Toshiba, and that's the R series.
And now the new one, the R500, is like 2.2 pounds total, and it's got a DVD player in it.
Yeah, but what are you trying to say?
When I travel with a laptop, I'm not going to go to a Mac.
They're too big and heavy.
Okay, so honestly, how often do you do Tech 5 on the road versus at home?
Actually, I rarely do it.
I've done it a couple of times, but I prefer to do Evergreen shows instead.
Right, okay.
So, my point exactly.
So, it makes a lot of sense to set you up for once and for all with a fantastic...
I mean, this is the beauty.
I've been searching for...
It's been five years now.
Has it been, yeah, 2000, no, 2004, when I started doing this stuff, I've been looking for the all-in-one solution where you can do everything right on one computer, and the Mac finally is there.
You have this thing called aggregate devices where you can stack on multiple in- and output devices, virtual or real.
You can stack them into one because most programs can only talk to one device at a time.
So now I can finally do all of that complex routing that is really needed to put together a kick-ass studio.
And anyway, to make a long story short, what was screwing me up is I was trying to route the audio from Skype into the virtual mixer through one of these virtual interfaces.
And whenever I did it, because you have one coming in and one going back, and the output signal, of course, is all the stuff I want you to be able to hear.
And every single time I made the connection, it would create a loop, and then it would just feed back.
I couldn't figure it out until I finally discovered, of course, after weeks of trying to figure this out, that I was treating Skype as if it had a stereo signal coming out.
So I was using two channels, whereas it only has one.
So effectively, by placing two connections between Skype and my mixer, I was creating a loop just by making those two connections.
Does that make any sense?
Yeah, it does to me, but let's back up a couple of seconds.
One...
One, you probably could have asked for help from the audience and you would have gotten it like the next day.
So wasting three or four weeks working this out.
No, no, no, no, no.
I have been on this quest and the audience has been involved.
The guy who's come the closest ever to help.
You bring this up on your other show.
Hold on one more time.
I don't believe for a second that there's not a PC user out there that listens to this show or one of our other shows that can't do the same thing on a PC more effectively.
Wow.
Throwing down the gauntlet, man.
I love it.
You know what?
Actually, I'll bet you you're right.
I don't know if it can be done more effectively, but I do know that Ableton Live, which is the program I'm using, also runs on Windows.
So I guess if someone could figure out how to do virtual audio routing, then they could make it happen.
And, of course, you need it.
And then we'll set up a nice Windows version for you.
How does that sound?
You've been drinking beer again in the evening?
I apologize.
There's a story going around.
I don't know if we blogged it or not.
Actually, my stepson sent it to me.
There's this farting thing going on in some American schools where the boys are into noisy public flatulence as a gag.
And they just do it constantly, I guess, in class.
And it's becoming something of a problem.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
And this is a news story?
Yeah, it's a news story.
These schools, they don't have corporal punishment or anything anymore, so they don't know what to do about stuff like this.
And the boys can say, look, it's a normal bodily function.
There's nothing I can do about it if I fart.
And so they, but what they do, of course, is that they amplify them by, you know, I guess, you know, you force it to make, I guess, somebody can, you know, even fart the alphabet.
But it's becoming kind of a problem.
So, but this is a nationwide problem, or is this?
Yeah, so I think it's localized now, but it could go nationwide.
Yeah.
Okay.
I've been trying to rile up the Brits on the Daily Source Code, trying to open their eyes to the Snoop Dogg nation that we all live in here.
Now that they've found out that 800 different organizations can order a wire or internet tap on anyone, including any senior manager at the Department of Agriculture.
Oh, really?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, this is huge news.
You didn't know about this?
No, tell me.
Oh, so what happened was the Minister of Parliament, I forget what his name was, he was having a conversation with one of his constituents who happened to be in jail.
So it's kind of unimportant what the conversation was about, but other ministers of parliament had him wiretapped or eavesdropped on that conversation.
And so at first what started out as a story about ministers of parliament needing to have the right to be able to speak to their constituents in complete confidentiality turned into all this information like, duh, just look around and look at the four million cameras in this country,
I don't know.
I guess can only really work if they have some kind of echelon-type derivative working.
And the level of, as I just said, the level of seniority of someone who can order this wiretap is basically a senior manager, which is just crazy.
I bet you this country is rampant with wiretaps and other intercepts.
John, are you still there?
Hello?
Hello?
Ah, there he goes.
Okay, what point did you miss it?
Well, you have to probably keep this on the show, because as soon as you said the word echelon, you got disconnected.
I swear to God, it was exactly at that moment.
Well, I don't know how they do it unless they have some sort of echelon click.
Well, I'm still recording because I basically finished my story unaware that you had dropped off, and then you called back.
Yeah, after the word echelon.
You said, well, I don't know how they can do that unless they have some sort of echelon type, and that was it.
Right.
So I'll just recap briefly.
As it turns out, there's 800 organizations, and this list has now been published, which includes obscure departments like Department of Agriculture or the council.
The council, the people who run the local council.
A senior manager can request an intercept.
Wow, that's cool.
It's fucking nuts.
So anyway, to bring that back to the flatulence, so then I start to dive into it, and I'm like, you guys really should protest.
And by the way, I want to protest too because it's pretty messed up.
It turns out protesting ain't that easy in the United Kingdom.
Did you know that?
Well, you can send a nasty letter to the Times, I believe.
Yeah, you can do that, but if you actually want to take it to the streets, and there's this, I blogged it on curry.com, there's an excellent documentary called Taking Liberties, which is a, I think it's a Channel 4, maybe even a BBC documentary, that shows you exactly what happens to people who protest.
Basically, you try to protest, it just ain't gonna happen.
You're just gonna get picked up, arrested, harassed, and removed from the streets.
Can't you go to Hyde Park and do it?
You can do it.
I think you can do...
Well, that's not a protest.
You can go to Speaker's Corner.
But, in fact, it is illegal to protest within one kilometer of Parliament.
You may not protest at all within one kilometer of Parliament.
Huh.
Now I know where we're getting these ideas.
Yep.
Exactly.
So...
So I'm like, well, then we should do some other kind of civil disobedience.
So maybe flash mobs.
That always works because that always shows up in the newspapers.
But maybe we could all just start farting.
Oh, now I was wondering how you're going to get to that.
There you go.
It took me a while.
It took me a while.
That was a long road.
Hey, let's test this thing out, John.
Hold on a second.
Let's test the audio out, okay?
Sure.
All right, here we go.
Hey, Adam and John.
I was just listening to No Agenda 13, and, uh, you mentioned that you were trying to find strippers or hookers to audition for Texture.
I know this was a joke, but some people probably won't take it as a joke, and it'll probably get forwarded over to Natalie Del Conte that she thinks she's a stripper and or a hooker.
And I don't think you really want that kind of image coming from you.
I mean, I'm sure there's something...
Yeah, alright.
By the way, if you want to interrupt something, you can just yell loudly at any point in time.
I think that guy needs to just, who was that?
I don't know.
What time did he do this?
At three in the morning?
Whenever he was listening to our show.
By the way, I never had any intention of hiring hookers for anything.
Well, at least for the show.
Anyway, the point is, that's where I could use the rim shot.
I don't have one.
Anyway, okay, we'll work on getting one.
You can use it judiciously.
But strippers, I thought, would be a good idea for a hostess, seems to me.
Okay.
I can just report back that the whole idea was nixed by the CEO. Oh, yeah.
I think it had a shelf life of about three nanoseconds.
No, it was longer than that.
It was until he found out about it.
Exactly.
Have you seen Natalie's new show?
I know you have, actually.
I know you saw at least one episode.
I'm surprised.
Honestly.
Well, I'm surprised it's pretty much the same show she was doing before.
Yeah, except with shitty lighting and a virtual ugly set in the background.
Yeah, I thought it was going to be a little more than that, honestly.
And also, I don't like the way it's edited or put together, but that's just some technical stuff.
But it actually didn't surprise me too much.
I think it's okay.
So...
Anyway, back to some of these news stories that aren't relating to tech, since we're not supposed to be talking about it necessarily.
I was just looking at my own blog, one of the guys blogged the fact that they're trying to close down the red light district and they may be on their way in Amsterdam.
What's that all about?
Yeah, it's true.
This is what happens.
There's a couple things going on.
There's a Christian Democratic majority in government.
This is, of course, also bringing, quote, the country up to EU standards.
The same is happening with the coffee shops where you infamously can go.
EU standards.
I mean, I thought that, for example, they were like instituting these kinds of red light districts in countries like Germany to compete for what they call the sex tourist in Europe.
So how is this?
I mean, that sounds like a counter trend to me.
No, I think there's a difference between some new regulation, and I can't speak about Europe, but I can speak about the Netherlands, where they made brothels legal, but the actual red light district where girls are standing in windows, they want to get rid of that.
So the concept of having a brothel, and I think even escort services are outlawed.
I think those are actually probably still allowed, but the real in the window with your wares, I think that's what's being taken away, which of course is exactly...
Sorry?
Well, as someone who's visited Amsterdam more than a few times, and by the way, I've not actually done anything with anybody in Amsterdam, just for people out there who want to know, not like anyone cares.
But I just want to say that as a tourist, I have walked around with a bunch of guys and whatever through that area, and there's actually two or three little tourists.
I think it's kind of amusing, and I think it's kind of an interesting little thing people do.
They walk around.
I don't see that much business going on.
I suppose they're not there at the right time.
But the fact is, it adds kind of a complex charm to the city.
It seems, and it's been going on apparently since the 15th century, it seems weird to me that all of a sudden, during this era when the Muslims are the ones behind wanting to shut stuff like this down, that the Netherlands being irked by the murder of Van Gogh, the filmmaker, would essentially go along with the program, which is what it looks like they're doing.
Well, I'll respond by saying you're absolutely right.
This completely ruins what used to be a really good vibe just in that core center of Amsterdam.
But over the past decade, it really has gone down, even past 15 years probably.
It used to be all Dutch girls, which of course was a part of the appeal.
And now I do not think you'll find one single Dutch-born girl in the Red Light District.
They're all either from East Bloc countries, basically.
So that kind of cozy, hanging-out-the-window type vibe is gone, and of course it's become a center for...
For lots of hard drug trafficking and usage in general because it's an old part of the city.
It's difficult to police because there's all kinds of alleyways and nooks and crannies.
So I understand where they're coming from.
And I don't think that if you talk to the Amsterdamer who lives there, there's probably not a lot of love lost because it just wasn't fun to go there anyway since just some cultural immigration-like changes had taken place.
Well, that's one way of putting it.
So one time I was in Holland and as I was leaving to go to the airport, I forget where I was taking a cab, I was taking a cab somewhere, which doesn't make a lot of sense now that I think about it.
I guess it was to the airport.
Not because I would normally take...
There's a train to the airport.
I don't know why I didn't do that.
But anyway, I was taking this cab and I was talking to...
Somehow it came up in the conversation that this cabbie, who a lot of cabbies are talkative, said, you know, that red light district is a big phony for the locals anyway.
Nobody goes there.
He says they go to...
And he pointed out some areas in some other part of town.
It's like, where are the locals go?
And it's not even anywhere near there.
And then I watched some special...
It sounds as though the town has two or three...
At least separate little districts and this one that's the tourist trap, which is entertaining, is the one that nobody uses.
Yeah.
There's also been some other problems in that area with the famous Casa Rosso.
I'm sure you saw it when you were there.
Have you ever heard of that Casa Rosso?
Yeah, I've heard of it, but you know, now that you mention it, I don't recall, I don't know what it is.
Well, it's quite famous for two reasons.
One, it is the, you know, probably the original live sex show club.
Oh, right, yeah, right.
Or really theater, I should call it, because you walk in, you can have a little drink in the foyer, and then there's, I don't know, maybe a hundred seats, and then you watch some kind of live show on stage.
You used to have those kinds of shows in San Francisco.
Right.
Right, so this is now, let's see, about 10 years ago, they became very famous to be the first ones to be actually streaming people having sex live for a fee.
And all of the porn sites, all the porn servers in the mid-90s were all pretty much located in Amsterdam, if not operated by Casa Rosso.
So they were really on the...
In fact, this is a story.
When we were taking our previous company public, we did what is called a roadshow.
So this was 1996.
And the roadshow means you go around, in our case, not just to different investors in the United States, but then you also do a European roadshow, and you basically want everyone to sign up and say, yeah, I'll buy into 20%.
That's what it is, 20%, 20%.
You want everyone to take 20%.
So, of course, then you become oversubscribed.
That's kind of the...
The way that works.
And so we had Switzerland, the United Kingdom.
We had a number of places on the map.
But we decided to start in Holland because I knew that there were a couple of investors who, collectively, they might actually take 15% or 20%.
So we did one of those days.
And our investors, of course, or the underwriters were along with us on the road.
For this road show.
And we're in Amsterdam.
So these are all like real Wall Street banker types.
And like, hey man, what are we going to do?
We got to go to the red light district.
We got to go.
So, okay.
So, and then, you know, so we're walking down the red light district.
And the guy from Casa Rosso, who of course was just doing this internet stuff, basically the guy who's outside who is supposed to pull people in, he starts yelling at me, hey Adam Curry, hey man, yeah.
Yeah.
You're on the internet.
We're on the internet.
I'm like, okay.
He says, yeah, come on in.
I'll comp you guys.
Come on in for free.
So, of course, with our underwriters.
It's a real macho type deal.
I'm like, okay.
So we go in, and the show starts, and we're sitting pretty close up to the front.
And, of course, it's audience participation time, and the girl comes over to me.
And I'm like, oh man, I'm so not into this.
And of course these guys are hooting and hollering.
I'm like, okay.
So I get up on stage.
Well, wait a minute.
Before you go on, can you also mention the fact that during this era, especially in 96, you were extremely famous in Amsterdam.
Yeah.
Yeah, but people that don't realize it, we're not talking about a little famous.
Yeah.
Yeah, very famous.
Okay.
Anyway, continue.
But that really didn't matter.
I don't think most of the people who were in there knew me except for the guy at the front door.
That's what a girl might have.
That's possible.
That's very possible.
So then she does kind of funny stuff.
She grabs you in the crotch.
And then at a certain point, it's really meant to humiliate the guy she picks out of the audience, right?
So at a certain point, she lays down on her back.
And then she grabs my head, and then she brings me down to my knees, and of course I was just standing in front of her previously, and she brings her head down towards her crotch, and at the same time, a fucking guy in a monkey suit with a strap on dildo walks out behind me and starts boning me from behind.
So there was a good evening had by all in the Casa Rosso.
Well, I'd like to have that on tape.
No pictures, unfortunately.
You weren't naked or anything.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
No, I was fully clothed.
You wasn't getting much done with that thing on you?
Well, but it was quite a surprise because, you know, I'm like, oh, yeah, you know, she's bringing my head down between her crotch and then, you know, I'm basically kneeling with my butt in the air and then this guy dressed in a monkey suit comes out from stage left with a big strap-on dildo I would say that the whole act is designed to humiliate the patron.
Yeah, exactly.
What did they expect to accomplish with this kind of stuff?
Hilarity ensued, my friend.
Hey, anything for a good laugh.
Oh, man, I tell you.
So anyway, so I just found that it was quite interesting that they would have such a cultural change.
But I guess you're right, because I noticed that most of the girls weren't even that interesting, to be honest about it.
No, they rarely are.
And there's this show called Amsterdam Nights or something.
I'm sure it runs somewhere in the States.
It basically runs on Sky late at night.
They have these documentaries about that very area and about these shows.
And it's all pretty pathetic when you look behind the scenes of what's happening.
It's pretty sad.
So, you know, on Thursday I went to Las Vegas.
I had to give a speech to the convention of all things orthodontists.
Orthodontists, yeah.
I heard you talking about that on Tech 5.
So, in the process, I was only going to be there for one night and then gave the speech.
By the way, I have a new speech for anyone out there who's booking speeches.
I'm telling you, this speech is a stunner.
Tell us about the speech, John.
Tell us about this.
I've only done it twice so far.
Give me a summary.
You talk about tech.
Essentially what I do is I talk about...
It's got various titles, but it's like marketing in the age of the internet.
And it gives people exact details on how to...
You know, do vanity searches, how to check out your competition, you know, how to set up, you know, various kinds of websites, blogs, whatever, what the value is.
And then it talks about things like, you know, if you're running a business, you're an orthodontist, are you listed on, has somebody yelped you?
And do you know what Yelp is?
And how does it work?
And all that kind of thing.
And then how to use Craigslist.
It's just a lot of intense information and how everything interacts.
Do you do this with PowerPoint slides or just stand up and talk?
Yeah, no, you use PowerPoint.
You have to use PowerPoint slides.
Okay.
And in today's day and age, if you don't use PowerPoint slides, you can't keep an audience anymore.
It's weird.
Really?
Yeah.
You just use pretty pictures or words?
I've been giving speeches for, I don't know, decades.
And I've gone through everything from using multimedia to just stand alone where you're up there lecturing.
And I don't read speeches, of course.
I think that's lame.
That's bullshit.
I always get the biggest kick out of watching somebody go up on a podium and start reading a speech.
I say, why don't you send me the damn thing on email?
You know, if that's what you're going to do.
So do your slides consist of just pictures or do you have words up there as well?
It depends.
There's some words, sometimes it just shows sites and then I discuss them.
But anyway, the whole thing is, what's weird, or what I discovered is that the vast majority of people out there who actually work for a living, they don't know about half of this stuff.
I mean, they don't know what Twitter is, they don't know what Yelp is, very few of them know about Craigslist.
Unless they're like in the San Francisco Bay Area, they're in some high-tech zone.
Generally speaking, this stuff has still got low penetration.
Sounds like it's time for a new book, John.
Yeah, we may do a book around it.
How about high penetration marketing initiatives?
H-P-M-I.
HPMI, baby.
This has an HPMI factor of nine and a half.
We could come up with the HPMI factor.
I like that.
HPMI factor.
So what I wanted to actually talk about, though, is not brag about this great new speech.
So I was there on Thursday, so I decided to go to Joel Rubichon's Atelier to have the tasting menu.
Okay.
Where I sat next to it.
Right, right, right.
Yeah, it's $130 plus whatever they can nick you for the wine.
The whole thing came to a way, it's very expensive.
And I'm sitting, and I, you know, it's like around, the room is beautiful.
And it's in the MGM, and it's just a really nice little restaurant.
It's a big restaurant.
But I just thought that, you know, I was thinking about it and I noticed I was sitting next to a guy who was a maitre d' at the Tribune, which is a restaurant in Calgary.
And, you know, and I noticed that he was actually drinking the bottled water.
But, you know, a lot of people were, you know, this water thing is like a big deal.
Nobody wants to, you know, the idea now is to don't drink bottled water in a restaurant.
We actually have an audio comment about that restaurant.
Remind me, I'll play it for you.
Have it queued up when you're ready.
Okay.
But what was interesting to me, I've kind of got to the conclusion, because I didn't really feel satisfied with this meal.
It was, you know, all the little bitty plates, which I normally would go for.
A real better deal.
If people are interested in this kind of eating, you go to San Sebastian, Spain, and you can, you know, it's astonishing.
I mean, it had one-fourth the price and twice the quality.
But anyway, I just thought the whole thing was an unrewarding experience.
And I had yelped it before I went there and looked at the various comments.
And there was all, oh, the best meal I've ever had in my life.
And then some people with a lot of experience were really downplaying and saying, you know, this was very disappointing.
And, of course...
It ended up falling into that category.
I don't think it was worth it.
What do you attribute this disappointment to?
Well, the fact that the guy who, you know, Joel Rubichon's not there.
He comes in once every couple months.
I mean, this is like, most of these Vegas restaurants are that way.
I mean, Bradley Ogden opened a place there and he claimed he's going to move to Vegas and he's going to stay there.
I've called that restaurant every time I go to Vegas because I know Bradley.
And he's never there.
And none of these guys are.
I mean, Hubert Keller from San Francisco's Florida Lee seems to be in Vegas.
Well, he seems to be in Vegas more than he's in San Francisco.
He seems to be in Vegas a lot, but he wasn't there either, and he wasn't there the last couple of times I went there.
So these restaurants are very reminiscent of the kind of French restaurants you find in the Middle East.
In many of the big cities, like if you go to Dubai, for example, they have all these French restaurants that are exact copies of the places in Paris.
And I guess they fly these chefs in once in a while to make sure that everyone's doing everything right.
But for the most part, they're not there.
And with this quality, when you're dealing with super high-end quality, the chef has to be there or the quality just deteriorates because there's no taskmaster.
Isn't this also what happened to, what's his name, Gordon with his New York restaurants, Gordon Ramsay?
Yeah.
Didn't those close down basically because he wasn't there enough?
I would think that would be the reason.
Yeah.
So I asked, so they have a French guy running the thing, and I asked the guy who, he seemed like a nice enough guy, but I asked him, I said, when is Rubachand coming in?
Apparently he's coming in next week, which would have been the time to go.
He says he comes in once every couple of months for like a week, which seems like actually more than most of these guys will do.
And I asked the guy, I said, well, is he like an a-hole to work for?
Is he like a real, is he a prick?
Is what I said.
I asked the guy.
And the French guy looks at me with kind of like a bug-eyed, and one of the assistants over, you know, a sous chef or whatever on the set says, yeah!
He's a real cocksucker.
The guy says he's totally, you know, and the French guy, the guy running the thing says, I didn't say that, and then he walks off.
Yeah.
And I'm thinking that's what you have to have in these restaurants.
You have to have a taskmaster who's probably not necessarily adored for his meanness.
So that's what I kind of attribute it to.
Well, of course, that is a problem.
If you run your place like an asshole, which a lot of these guys apparently in the workplace seem to need to be just an observation, when you're gone, then everything's going to slip.
Yeah, I've noticed this.
If you ever get to a place, one of the Wolfgang Puck's places...
Yeah, I've been to his place in L.A. If you get to...
He had a place post-trio.
He still does, I guess, in San Francisco.
I went there once when he was there.
And it's like night and day.
It's just amazing.
Yeah, it makes sense.
That's the problem with all these guys that are at that level.
Now, some people, I think, probably can set up a system where they don't have to be working so much, but I think for the most part, they can't do it.
The Fleur de Lis guy, his wife can stay in one place, though.
I think that makes a difference, too.
Well, a little bit, but I think at the very high end, the super high end, Alan Dukas seems to get away with it.
He's the only one I've run into where you can go to his restaurants.
Not that anybody I'm recommending you go spend...
Now, this guy is expensive.
But you can go to his restaurants...
Without him being there and be assured that you're going to get a killer meal.
I think he must be able to hire people.
I don't know.
I'm not in that business.
I don't know how it works.
Let's listen to that bottled water comment.
I don't remember what it was.
See if it's any good.
Hey Adam, this is Doug in Illinois calling with a little call-out about your show last week where you had mentioned some sort of quote about if Coca-Cola came free out of your tap, would you still go to the store and buy it?
And the point was that no, you wouldn't.
Well, you've got to think about water that does come out of our taps and how big is the bottled water industry?
We consumers are idiots, you know?
Especially where I live, you know, we've got, you know, this Great Lake Michigan water, and I still, you know, go out and buy bottled waters.
What is that?
Why do we do that?
Who started that?
I think, well, it started with the she-she use of the sparkling bottled waters from Perrier years ago in the 70s.
That became a big deal.
I mean, there was only the one or two you could get.
And then somewhere along the line, I think what happened, there was this one moment, it was maybe in the late 80s or something, where some of these health nuts came out with it.
You have to drink so much water all day.
You should be drinking eight glasses of water a day.
And it was like a big deal to just drink water all day.
And it was about the carrying of water, too.
You had to carry it around.
Well, that became a yuppie thing, and I think it became kind of an image like a cigarette.
Once they stopped smoking, they didn't have anything to do with their hands, so they moved and gravitated to water.
Just carry around the dildo, man.
That's the easiest thing.
So anyway, they carried around water, and it became like the thing, and you see people, you know, they pull out the water bottle, and they unscrew it, and they take a swig, and then they screw it.
I mean, this is like, you know, just something to do.
It's like a canteen, isn't it?
You know, we used to have canteens as kids.
Remember, you had that green canteen on your belt?
We should reintroduce that, just fucking military canteens.
Actually, that's a great idea.
Instead of these bottles, have a canteen.
Have a canteen.
An old military canteen with camouflage on it.
Yeah, with one of those chains so you don't lose the top, right?
Right, exactly.
The chain rattles around.
That's a pretty good idea because I've stopped ordering bottled water.
I don't buy it in general anyway, but in restaurants, I'll ask specifically for tap water.
Because as far as I'm concerned, it's certainly regulated.
It's probably better for you.
It's probably safer to drink.
And it's free.
Yeah, right.
That's even better.
Why are you paying $8 to $16 on top of your regular dinner bill?
That's crazy.
Because it turns like $6 to $8 for a bottle of beer.
Bottle of water, man.
And I hate it when they bring it to your table and the top is already off and you just know that they filled it up in the back with regular tap water.
By the way, that's why I always tell people only get sparkling bottled water because that's the only thing.
That's the only one you can tell it's real.
Half assured that they did some work.
Now, let's see if this guy's anything else.
Hold on.
Do refill those and try to stretch the dollar a little bit, but...
Man, what a consumerist idiot I am, and most of us are that go out and buy bottled water, so I'm not sure if the Coca-Cola coming out of the tap analogy is quite appropriate to the music industry.
Oh, okay.
That's from a while ago.
You know, the market drives.
All right.
That was from a while ago.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, buddy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So there's an interesting piece of news that's going under the radar here that I want to bring up for this show.
After I got my mention of the Letelier, which now gives me a tax write-off, by the way.
Letelier?
What is it?
That's the Ruberchon place that I was disappointed in.
Oh, okay.
Gotcha.
So there was a reporter that was just casually talking on MSNBC, one of their anchors or one of their part-timers, who used the term, where he said, don't you think that they're pimping out Chelsea?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
This has become this huge scandal.
They put the guy on probation.
For saying that?
Yeah.
For using the term...
The cascade effect began when Hillary heard that he used the term pimped out, and she decided that she's going to pull out of the MSNBC version of these never-ending debates they're having over here.
Every two weeks, every week there's a debate.
She was going to say, I'm not going to do the MSNBC debates.
And so, like a good journalistic organization that they are, they...
Put the guy on notice, essentially firing him and said, whatever you want, Hillary, we'll do whatever you want.
This is like a bad signal, it seems to me, that these spineless jerks that are at MSNBC would do this because one of their guys casually used the term pimped out when it was very appropriate.
It made actual sense in any sort of grammatical or linguistic way.
And they would fire the guy over this because Hillary didn't like it.
It's unbelievable.
Does Hillary understand the modern cultural reference that that actually refers to?
Does she understand that?
Or is she thinking, is she still in the days of Huggy Bear with a big fedora hat being Chelsea's pimp?
I would think that the latter would probably be the situation where she doesn't understand what the phrase means or anything in between, but...
I mean, that would be my guess, but even if she did, whether she did or didn't, it's, you know, I mean, if that's the case, then MSNBC should have explained it to her.
I mean, I don't really even care if she wants to throw her weight around, because if you can throw your weight around as a politician and tell the news media what to do...
What to do and how to speak, yeah.
True.
Yeah, knock yourself out.
But if these guys are the spineless worms that they apparently are, that they can't stand up to the powers.
They always say, what's the truth to power?
There's a big one of these Democrat liberal phrases that's going around.
If they can't even do that as a as a as a functioning media company.
I mean, it's hopeless.
I was just I just just galled by this but what really got me is that nobody in the media has said jumped up and down in in Disgust over this they just oh, yeah, well, here's what happened This is reported as a news item and blah blah blah And they're on the on to the next story because it was handled like straight news and i'm thinking now How can you like let this slide?
You know Well, we've talked about You know the state of journalism before in fact uh I'm looking this up now.
You know Camden Market?
I'm sure you've heard of Camden Market, John.
Yeah, Burnt to the Ground.
Burnt to the Ground last night.
And I was reading the story on the BBC website.
Hold on, I'm just going to find it for a second.
Because I just could not believe that they had done this.
Hold on.
Camden.
I've got to love the BBC, though.
They do have a lot of cool stuff.
Where is it?
It's your tax dollars at work.
Yes, exactly.
Major fire at Camden.
Okay, here we go.
I hope...
Oh, crap.
I didn't want that.
Okay, I can't find it.
But anyway, they were able to turn the story in Camden into an entertainment piece.
Unbelievable.
But because the pub...
And that's why I was looking for the article.
I'll find it.
There's a pub that also burned to the ground...
Which was frequented by many celebrities, including the now-in-rehab Amy Winehouse.
I was blown away.
They had to throw an Amy Winehouse plug.
I mean, that was just unbelievable.
That is unbelievable.
That is pathetic.
It is, but this is what it's become.
I mean, just looking at the news, the BBC News, you know, Madeline McCann is still...
The whole area, one of the most important little areas in London, burns to the ground and somehow they work in Amy Winehouse, who's got nothing to do with the story.
Exactly.
Except she went there once.
I mean, you could probably say almost everybody went there.
Throw anybody's name in.
Why Amy Winehouse?
And because they've reported on her getting smashed in that bar.
I mean, it's nuts.
It's completely nuts.
It's like we can't live without the distraction of entertainment news in everything.
Yeah.
I don't know.
That's terrible.
I mean, I find it to be disgusting.
And the thing is, you can rant about it all you want, but the public eats this stuff up.
I mean, everybody, you can say anything you want to, but you can add that little entertainment angle, and the next thing you know, the numbers go up.
There's no sense of responsibility by the media, which I think there should be, where they, yeah, okay, we can do that, but we're not going to just do that.
But you know what, obviously it has to be because that's what we as the public want.
I mean, there's no doubt about it.
It's supply and demand.
We desperately want more stuff that includes news of preferably fucked up celebrities.
Yeah, yes, to make you feel better about yourself, I guess.
Is that it?
So we're that unhappy that we have to...
Oh, that poor girl.
She's got so much talent and look at her.
She's all screwed up and she's got tattoos all over her.
She's just a wreck.
But how come that is so interesting to us?
That makes me feel so much better.
And three million displaced Iraqis, you know, we don't give a shit about.
Why is that?
Because they're not Amy Winehouse.
They can't sing.
That's true.
They can't sing.
If you can sing, I'll care about you, bitch.
That's funny.
Look at the talented little Iraqi kid.
Now I care about him.
He could tap dance and sing.
That would help.
So I noticed this, but I saw the interesting thing they're doing on CBS, and they're doing it locally, too.
You know, this green thing is really, it's coming on so strong, I think it's going to burn itself out, because it's a little too much.
Now they, our local news, they have a thing called the Green Beat, and when they go in, there's always some lame story about somebody saving energy, you know, or recycling, or making a compost.
And it's just before the weather is when they always have the green beat.
It's filler, John.
It's when we have no news.
Yeah, it's filler, but what's weird is now when they go to the green beat, the logo for the station changes just for the green beat to green.
Woo-hoo!
It's unbelievable.
It's not going to burn out, dude.
This is already a $10 billion industry.
Green is here for a long time.
I'm not happy about it.
Here comes the hate mail.
Ah, so what?
So anyway, so what was their report, their green report?
So last week, we didn't talk about this until after the show, which was, and I think it's still worth bringing up, because I made a note.
Although, you know, the spontaneity is kind of shot when I make notes, but I'm still going to do this.
Which is, you have an Amex Black.
Oh, right, right, right.
We did talk about this, I remember, yeah.
I don't have one, but...
It costs $5,000 a year just to have this card.
Right, this is the black card from American Express, which at one point in the, I'd have to say late 80s, it was quite the status symbol to have, and I guess it still is, although I can't imagine why.
I don't know.
I've only seen two of them, ever.
The guy who runs the register...
John Lettuce has one.
Yeah.
And he's also one of the owners.
And a friend of mine, Bill Losey, has one.
Now, this is how I found the website.
What was it?
Black-Amex.com or Amex-Black?
Yeah, you found some website that people should check out because it's quite funny.
Let me see.
I think it was Amex-Black.com.
Let me just check.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This is great.
They have a picture of all kinds of hip-hop artists.
A very exclusive club you definitely want to be associated with.
There's all kinds of pictures on this weblog of people holding up their black card inside their Bentley, showing their statements.
Look, I have $45,000 I had to pay on my black card.
And then what was the one you found?
Was it Lindsay Lohan?
It's not at the bottom.
There was, I think, maybe a scrolled off.
No, no, no.
It's still here.
It's still there.
It's a picture of Lindsay Lohan's driver's license.
And of her American Express black card.
Right, and her American Express black.
But what I was fascinated with is she is so photogenic that she looks great on her driver's license photo.
She does.
She looks awesome.
She looks a lot better than she does now, I think.
This is from 2006.
This picture.
No, wait a minute.
Yeah.
2006.
Yes, it is.
So anyway, the only reason for bringing this up is I wanted to make a public complaint, not about the black card.
I don't care.
And I think if somebody wants to have one, that's okay.
But I was told by one of these guys that it's great if you travel internationally a lot.
They're handy.
I don't know.
You go there and nowadays, when you want your check, they come out with a Schlumberger handheld device.
They grab your smart card, stick it on there.
It sucks the money right out of the card.
You sign right on the spot.
You're out of there.
It's actually much faster than what we do.
And so I figure, well, this is cool because Amex has got...
Wait a minute, John.
There's two different systems.
There's the chip card, which actually stores the money on the chip itself.
Right.
And then there's just the regular chip that has identifying information.
Right.
It's instead of the stripe.
But it's not actually loaded onto the card.
It just checks your balance.
Right.
Right, but the point is that when they stick this thing in this little Slumberjain machine, which is wireless too, it does the authorization and everything right there.
Or it sucks it out of that other type of card, which is the debit type of stuff.
That's pretty common over here.
All restaurants have the wireless swipers.
Well, anyway, the point I was making was that, so I figure Amex is getting on the bandwagon because the smart card, the card with the chip on it, has been slow to evolve in the United States because of our infrastructure and for what other reasons.
And somebody pointed out to me once is that one of the main reasons is that the patents on those cards is held by some French guy.
And until the patents run out, the Americans aren't going to use these cards.
Of course.
Because we don't want to pay the two cents for this guy's patent.
Anyway, but the irony to the Amex card is I figure they're doing something smart here.
It's not compatible with all the systems in Europe.
That's amazing.
So what's the point?
I don't understand what incompatibilities there can be, though, because...
All my European cards work in the U.S. In all different machines and ATMs.
I'm just told that the way you can use those cards over there, where the waiter comes out and you give it to him and boom, you're paid and done, doesn't work with this blue card.
Are you sure that you didn't just get declined?
I didn't have one.
I'm just telling you what somebody was giving me the lecture about when I was bragging about this card to some smart card expert.
Because it's an incompatible system.
They have to go through the old way, the old mechanism, which they have to swipe it and send it to some computer.
I mean, it's not like you can just give them the card and walk away like you can with the European cards.
Hmm.
Okay, so we don't have...
Maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe someone can correct me, but that's what I'm told, and that's why the card's never taken off.
Nobody uses the Amex Blue.
We don't have first-hand experience.
That's because the card, I think, is a dud.
Now, let me ask you this, John.
Which of the stories and topics we've discussed today will you be highlighting on Twit?
Fucker.
Probably, I haven't been on Twitter for a while.
I tell you, we started off something, man.
It's like now every single show that used to talk about tech, now they're just talking about stories.
They're just talking stuff.
Not even about the news, just about, which is great, by the way.
I mean, I love listening to it.
But it's not about this week in tech.
People are wondering what you're talking about here with the Twit thing.
I once, on some Twit, I think about three months ago.
Not once.
Every single episode.
Every single episode, you're bringing up great stories about food and travel.
And I'm jealous.
I'm like the fucking bitch over here.
And John's on all these shows.
This doesn't have anything to do with that gorilla, does it?
Just talking about that story got me all worked up.
But no, man.
All your best material is going to tech shows.
My best material.
Stop it.
Stop it already.
Talk about tech on the tech show.
You don't.
That's the problem, though.
Once, three months ago, you're right.
I brought something up about cars or something.
No, it was the fig trees.
It was all kinds of interesting stuff.
What about the fig trees?
I think you were talking about fig trees and how there's one root and they branch out for acres.
I don't know what it was.
Oh no, that's the cashew.
Oh, the cashew.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, the cashew tree in Brazil is one...
No, no, don't go repeating it.
Go talk to your tech friends about that.
It's a cool story.
No, screw it.
I don't want to hear it anymore.
Yeah, this is mature.
Hold on.
Hey, Adam, this message is in response, or in regards to, rather, no agenda.
I just wanted to let you guys know that your show is what I imagined podcasting would be when I first started listening to podcasts, oh, two or three years ago.
I started out with the DSC, to be quite honest.
You guys are really interesting, and I'm really digging the fact that there really is no agenda, and that it's whatever is on your guys' minds is what you guys talk about, and it's kind of weird, but I seem to be in agreement and kind I feel funny between my legs when I listen.
I'm on the same wavelength as you guys when you guys are talking about it.
So, I just want to say I really appreciate the new format that you guys are...
Alright.
No, brother.
I mean, just say, you know, we like to show goodbye.
No, man.
This is what podcasting is all about, John.
It's the unedited voice of the people.
Well, you know, he makes an interesting point about what he expects from podcasts, and I'm kind of in agreement.
One of the things that should make podcasting a little different is the fact that it's not, you know, based on the models that have evolved in radio, which are, you know, slicker and more produced.
Well, also time-driven, driven by an absolute start and finish.
Only time-driven with a clock.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
In fact, people don't realize this and they say, well, I know I'm listening.
I hate the radio because I'm listening.
There's a commercial.
I try to switch this.
There's a commercial and there's a commercial.
Every station's got a commercial at the same time.
Do you know that when I worked at Z100 in New York, I did the morning show for a couple months, but I also did weekend swing shifts.
They had a number of lights in the studio because you have that quarter hour.
Actually, you're supposed to be back to the music at 47 minutes past the hour, which always is, of course, a big power rotation song because when someone hits it, like, oh, yeah, it's my favorite song.
I'm going to listen to it.
But we had lights in the studio, and you could see exactly when each individual competing station was in commercials, and it would stay on while they were in commercials.
And what you wanted to do was finish everything up before your own commercial break to be back into music before the lights went off from the other stations.
That's how competitive radio is, or was at least in the 90s.
Yeah, I don't think that's done as much anymore.
I think they don't care.
Yeah, there is some general apathy there in Radioland, isn't there?
Don't you think?
Yeah, because it's all owned by Clear Channel.
Yeah.
Is your phone ready?
Hold on.
I got somebody ringing the phone.
Hang on.
All right.
I want to play something then while you're doing that.
Let me see.
Hello, Adam.
Or I should say, hello, Adam and John, because I intend this message for no agenda.
It's Savant Steve in San Francisco.
Don't ask John.
And...
I want to comment about the Sarbanes-Oxley stuff.
Now, professionally, I end up dealing with a lot of socks crap.
Are you listening to this or are you...
Yeah, no, I'm hearing it.
Oh, you're back.
You want me to finish it now?
Well, I wanted to hear what he said about Sarbanes-Oxley.
Something about it.
John's point was, well, why did we need a new law?
The guys got busted anyway, right?
A proponent of socks would say, yeah, but before an executive could go, well, I just didn't know what was going on.
I didn't realize what was happening.
Sorry.
And millions of people are out of their pensions.
I don't know if he has a point, John.
Apparently not.
You have to get to the point within like 15 seconds.
This is 44 seconds.
People have to get a clue about how to do these clips.
They've got to come in, they've got to hit it hard, and then get out of there, ladies and gentlemen.
In and out.
In and out.
I hate Sarbanes Oxy.
I think it's ruining the tech business.
We know you do.
It's ruining every single business.
It's horrible.
Well, it's really bad for the tech business.
And the other thing that people have to realize is that during this little period where we don't have a lot of public offerings because they're just too hard to do because of Sarbanes Oxy, you just can't get your numbers right and it's too much work and nobody wants to be a director of a public corporation because of it.
Is that these giant consortiums of moneyed investment firms are privatizing companies left and right.
And they're doing it to an extreme.
That's why all these buyouts, you know, privatize this and privatize that.
And they're getting a huge portfolio of companies.
So what do you think they're going to do with these companies?
The first thing they're going to do is they can clean up their numbers because they don't lose money on the Sarbanes-Oxley thing since these are not public corporations.
Yes, they strip everything out.
They cut everything away, cut it into bits if it's worth more in individual pieces.
Right.
So they fine-tune these things.
They ruin many of them.
And then when things loosen up, which is going to happen eventually with the repeal or the modification of Sarbanes-Oxy, the first thing that's going to happen is these privatized companies are going to be thrown into the market as individual IPOs.
They're going to swamp the market because there's going to be so many of them that the little tech companies that actually need the money Well, I think there's a lot more wrong with Wall Street and the whole system.
It goes beyond that.
I mean, this so-called subprime crisis, which of course is really a much bigger crisis, as now the banks don't trust each other, and now the bond rating companies, it's messed up.
And I think it's much, much...
There's a lot more news to come before we can even look at some kind of healthy IPO market, I think.
Well, probably.
But as far as I'm concerned, it's all because of Sarbanes-Oxley.
Okay.
I'm not going to fight you.
It's just a bad idea.
I mean, the thing is, why would the Republican administration be the one that institutes it?
What are they trying to prove?
Well, can your boy John McCain change it, since he'll be the next president?
I don't know what McCain's position is on that.
I don't know what his position is on most things.
And by the way, here's the last story I want to bring up now that you mentioned politics.
There's a huge thing going on here that's just hilarious.
In California, they – or actually in the Democrat Party this year, they have a thing called superdelegates.
And there's 40 percent of the votes that are going to the convention are these superdelegates.
And it seems as though they've already picked Hillary no matter how the public votes.
The superdelegates have.
Yeah, the superdelegates are all on Hillary's side.
So Hillary's going to get this nomination by hook or crook.
Could you just explain the superdelegate?
Do they have more power?
Do they have more than one?
Yeah, no, the superdelegate, unlike the regular delegates, if they're assigned an area, whatever the public decides, they can do whatever they want.
In other words, they can say, okay, well, you voted for Hillary, but I'm going to go with Obama.
Okay.
Now, locally, this has actually happened already in Marin County, the hippy-dippy county over here in the San Francisco Bay Area, which voted heavily for Obama.
And there's a congresswoman from the district who's been given superdelegate status to represent Marin, and she says, I don't care what you voted, I'm voting for Hillary.
And so now everybody's up in arms about this.
It's actually quite funny to watch.
Interesting.
So what's the whole point?
So the fix is in.
Yeah, exactly.
What's the point of all of these primaries?
What did you say, 40% are superdelegates?
That's what I hear, yeah.
And how do you get the superdelegate status?
I think it was the Democratic National Committee when they put together the program for picking their candidate pre-convention.
I think they dreamed this thing up.
I think maybe they've existed before, but I think this time they've been designed specifically to benefit one candidate.
And what's going to happen, if this is all the way I'm perceiving it, Is that Obama could actually be viable but get screwed by the system.
Yeah, by the rigged system, absolutely.
By the rigged system.
And what that'll do is that'll...
Irk the black community to such an extreme, because they're just going to see, you know, this is another...
Yep, holding the man down.
You got it.
And so they're going to not vote.
Oh, no.
That would be horrible.
Unless Hillary says, well, you know, to keep the blacks, because they did come out in great numbers to vote for Obama, they're going to have to make Obama the vice president.
And that's the, as you call it, unelectable ticket.
It's an unelectable ticket.
Why again?
Why?
Why is it unelectable?
Yeah.
I think there's too many negative votes.
People that would just vote against Hillary because they don't like her.
And I think a lot of them are women.
And I think there's just a lot of people who won't vote for a black guy.
I think it's just the inherent racism in any system.
Because he's the first one.
I mean, I don't think that he can't win.
In fact, I think as a long shot, as a president, I think he could actually get the job.
And I think he might be the president in 2012.
Yeah.
But out of the chute, we don't know anything about this guy.
He just showed up.
I mean, I didn't hear about him four years ago.
He's basically a newbie.
A noob?
He's a newbie.
And Hillary's kind of a sleazeball, and this combination's not electable.
Let me ask you, though.
Did you think Chelsea had gotten hotter after they pimped her out?
I thought she looked a little hotter.
I don't know.
She seems like a nice enough person, but I don't see the stink.
I'm sure she would have thought it was funny.
Did they ask her what she thought about being pimped out?
Yeah, really.
That's who we need to hear from.
It's from Chelsea.
That would be good for her to stand up and say, fuck you, MSNBC. The Republican Party, do they also have superdelegates?
No, the Republicans did something different, though.
I don't think so.
I don't know.
But, you know, the Republicans have gone with the, you know, letting people vote for them, but they pulled a couple of interesting stunts, and one of them cracks me up in California again.
So I'm registered independent.
And I've been a Democrat and I've been a Republican and now I'm an independent.
So I'm looking at things from all sorts of different angles.
Yeah, you can do whatever you want.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
So when I went to go to vote, which I did at almost the last minute because I figured, well, you know, I should at least...
Throw some votes out because actually there was a local measure I wanted to vote for.
So I went in there and they said, you are listed as an independent.
I said, yes.
Then you can use the Democrat or the independent ballot.
Which one do you want?
What?
And I'm thinking, what about the Republican?
I wanted to use that ballot.
And they said, no, no, the Republican Party this year, they...
Oh, I know.
I did.
I did know about this.
Yeah, I know, because there was this big drive for Ron Paul supporters to, you know, that they had to know that they absolutely had to register as a Republican if they wanted to make sure that their vote would be permitted and or counted.
Right.
So the Republicans have essentially cut off these freelance independents from sticking their nose into their business.
And I was kind of surprised by it.
So I took the Democrat ballot and voted for Obama.
Oh, man.
So do you mind me asking who you were going to vote for if you had been allowed to vote for clearly a Republican candidate?
Well, I was either going to vote for Ron Paul or I was really feeling a strong sense of throwing a wrench into the works and voting for Huckabee.
Oh, no.
Yeah, Ron Paul...
Because Huckabee is the funniest guy.
He is funny.
I always say this.
If there was an open mic competition with all these candidates, Huckabee would kick everybody's butt.
Yeah, true.
He's hilarious.
Ron Paul kind of sent a concession notice out.
I'd say kind of, because he's not pulling out of the race, and he'll continue all the way through, but obviously they're scaling back their campaign, and he also has a gubernatorial race, I guess, you know, No, not gubernatorial.
Congressional.
So, you know, it's kind of like, well, we're going to pull back a little bit, but he is going to go all the way to the convention.
Yeah, well, he has 40 or 50 delegates.
Yeah, well, that's something.
It's about the message, John.
It's not about the man.
Yeah, well, the message is not going anywhere, apparently.
Yeah, unfortunately.
Well, no, it's not true.
There's people who voted for him, so there's people who heard.
There's people who were clued in, and we'll stay awake, you know, no matter who becomes president.
We'll pay attention.
We'll make noise.
It really is more about an idea.
Well, I'll tell you the one thing that's going on here, since you're in London, you're not privy to it necessarily unless you listen to some of these guys on the internet.
But the right-wing talk show guys are just, there's some deal that wasn't done or somebody didn't get bought off or there's something screwy about the fact that they hate McCain.
Really?
Well, this of course is where all the sentiment comes from that the Republicans, you know, that they don't agree with McCain, but it's not really the party, it's the right-wing talk guys.
Right.
It's the right wing, the conservatives, they call them.
They speak for the conservatives.
Rush Limbaugh, who else?
I'm not sure if that's true, but whatever the case is, Rush Limbaugh is the one leading the charge, but all the other guys pretty much fall in line, and it's pretty interesting to listen to it, because I can't figure out, and you'd think that, well, maybe it's because of this immigration bill that McCain tried to push to get amnesty.
That's what George Bush was for, that.
They voted for him.
But that doesn't count.
They think he's a liberal in sheep's clothing, or he talks to Democrats too much, or he's too friendly to Democrats, I guess.
He's a Democrat underneath it all, they claim, but he's not.
I don't see it.
And I don't know.
I think the whole thing's somewhat baffling.
Well, you immediately assumed someone hadn't been paid off.
That's kind of interesting as a statement.
Well, I mean, it doesn't have to be.
I'm not talking about money.
I'm being like, you know, somebody having a meeting or somebody got stiffed or, you know, somebody said, can I have an appointment with you so we can chat about what your policies are?
Come on my show, man.
Come on my show and talk on my show.
Yeah, stuff like that.
I mean, you know, it doesn't take much to get somebody in broadcasting who's huge with millions of listeners to get kind of, you know, full of themselves.
Yeah, kind of like me.
Yeah, you're a perfect example.
Yeah, I'm a great example of that.
The Adam Curry ego cast.
I think everybody in broadcasting gets that way.
All right, John, I think we've had it for this week.
Yeah.
You got anything else?
No, I went through the whole list.
Oh, this was an actual list from notes you took?
From last week, yeah.
I put them underneath the printer here so I wouldn't lose them because that's typically what happens.
And so I have a list.
There's a couple of things on here like green public relations.
I don't understand what that means.
You know, it's just typical.
I don't know what I'm doing here.
Dwarak notes.
Interesting benefits for the Amex Black.
I don't know.
Alright, and that literally wraps up another episode of No Agenda coming to you from the United Kingdom in the Curry Manor.
I'm Adam Curry.
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