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Co-hosts Jared Yates Sexton and Nick Hauselman offer their reactions to the first ever former president of the United State being indicted on federal charges of the Espionage Act, and Obstruction of Justice just to name a few. They also discuss the departure of CNN CEO Chris Licht, Mike Pence's tepid announcement that he's running for president, and the lowering of our standards as LIV Gold merges with the PGA Tour.
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As often happens, Nick, we have recorded an entire episode, including a segment that involved the fact that it seemed like an indictment was forthcoming against Donald Trump in the classified documents case.
Surprise!
Seven charges that Trump had.
That's early on a weekender for that.
So here we are doing like a little, little taste of pre-coverage.
We don't exactly know all of what's included here, exactly what's going on, but Nick, it's happening.
Yeah, this was the case.
This was the easiest case they were going to be able to prosecute without question as far as evidence, as far as, you know, prosecutorial competence, I suppose.
By the way, doesn't it make the porn star hush money payment just kind of a quaint little jaunt in the park?
It makes so many of the things pretty quaint.
Like, the amazing thing here is The classified documents case, the fact that Donald Trump took classified documents from the United States government, kept them at Mar-a-Lago, potentially showed them off to people for clout and maybe even for profit.
It's kind of amazing, Nick, that it feels not just sort of like clear-cut like what he did, we just didn't expect him to be held accountable, but it also is weird that it doesn't seem all that sexy.
You know, it doesn't seem like it's that big of a deal.
It's a massive, massive deal.
Well, one of the counts is the Espionage Act.
Espionage!
That's pretty sexy.
It's spying and whatnot.
I agree.
You and I are on the same page.
I think so, too.
It just so happens that this feels like it's documents, is what it is.
It's just, it's pieces of paper and folders and manila folders.
But it's a pretty incredible thing.
A former president has been charged with stealing state secrets, more or less.
Well, here's what's the most frustrating.
I think we've probably said this before, but the motherfucker got elected based on pilloring Hillary Clinton for not taking care of classified documents properly, which she did.
It was legal.
So this is the irony of ironies, but I think it actually makes perfect poetic sense.
Probably no one would believe it, right?
You couldn't write this screenplay because they'd say it's just too perfect and that doesn't really happen in real life.
But here's a guy who centered his entire campaign On this, on how, you know, you have to be able to take care of documents, and he goes ahead and screws it up so badly.
And again, it's not that he had them because Biden had some, Pence had some, whatever.
It's that he wouldn't return them no matter what, which is, which very well may just be his psyche, right?
He can't, he can't admit that he does something wrong, so he's got to fight it no matter what.
It might not have been anything nefarious, but here we are, and it's a good testament to what happens when you have lawyers involved who will not take the fall for you.
Well, I, you know, as he goes in to get indicted, I almost expect classified documents to fall out of his pants legs.
You know, like that's how bad it is.
It's, it's on one hand, I, there are so many documents involved in this Trump thing that some of them are intentional and some are just like poor handling of records.
And I think one of the things that's going to be very fascinating to watch over the next few days, as we learn what the indictments are, because so far we know lying to authorities, obstruction, you had said the Espionage Act, like, we're still waiting on other counts, whether or not they're, you know, sort of the same type of counts or what, like, do we know that other things have been done?
Do we know that other things have happened?
We're not sure.
But I gotta tell you, I don't think Jack Smith in this case, I don't think Merrick Garland in this case, I don't think anybody involved in it is going to not have this.
Dead to rights.
I have to tell you, I don't think the Department of Justice wants to prosecute a former president.
And you're exactly right.
This is something that all politicians basically do.
They mishandle documents.
They sort of like run aground on this stuff.
As we talk about later in the show, it has to do with the fact that Trump has been so flagrant about it, that he is also like, again, they don't want him to run for president.
That's neither here nor there.
Like there has to be a case here.
There is no way, shape or form that they don't.
And I find it amazing.
And this goes back to what you said.
He ran on the Hillary Clinton corruption and mishandling of documents thing.
If you remember, when they didn't charge her, he cried up and down that the FBI was corrupt, that they weren't doing their jobs, all of this.
It's the other side of this.
Now he's being charged, and the fact that Fox News is already airing programming saying that he is innocent without seeing even a scintilla of evidence, it does not matter.
They live in their own reality of their own choosing and their own tailoring, and I'm fascinated by this.
Innocence is nothing.
We're talking about fundraising, Jared.
That's right.
Fundraising right now about this and how it's a persecution versus any other Democrat who's involved in things like this.
Oh, of course, they'll assume that they're guilty too.
It's like this is how I mean, it's a game that everybody plays.
But it's when you're talking about democracy, they are going to poison the water.
Maybe it's already poisoned so much that it doesn't necessarily matter, but you're going to have a nice section of the country who's simply going to refuse to believe any of this, no matter how much evidence there is shown.
And we only can hope that that's a smaller, that that percentage gets smaller and smaller as we get along.
We're going to see, they're going to leak stuff, right?
Things are going to come out.
It's going to be damning.
There's probably going to be more people involved as well, because conspiracy usually requires more than one, it has to require more than one person.
So, watch for Mark Meadows, either, you know, he turned state's evidence or he's going to be indicted as well.
As well as, you know, Corcoran is a lawyer who has to be cooperating.
And I wouldn't be surprised if he had recorded his conversations with Trump because you must do that if that's a client of yours because you know he is going to put you in legal peril.
Well, something to note also here, he is being charged in Florida.
Which is a sight different from being charged in Washington, D.C.
or New York.
This is going to be something that we're not going to know how this is going to play out, but I think they probably have him dead right.
I do.
And I think you're right.
I think other people have turned on him, turned state's evidence.
I think you're exactly right in all of that.
The question is, not only is he going to be found guilty of this, but like what are going to be the consequences when it comes to violence, when it comes to him running for president?
I mean, we don't even know how long he could go to prison for.
We have no honest clue.
I mean, everything is up in the air at this moment.
Right.
There was a similar case from an FBI agent who got 10 years after they were presented with so much evidence they had to plead guilty to it.
You know, he wouldn't get 10 years.
They wouldn't give him 10 years.
I can't see anything.
You know, by the way, espionage, there's some other more severe penalties.
Nonetheless, that won't happen either.
Eileen Cannon could very well maybe be assigned.
There was some scuttlebutt about that as if maybe, you know, she was the one who assigned a special master.
It was like definitely kowtowing to Trump in a very... I mean, she was just ripped apart by the appeals court judges because she was ridiculous and partisan.
But that's another problem that might happen in Florida.
But another of so many I know who's a prosecutor down there doesn't seem to think she'd get it because it's going to be in Miami and it's not her jurisdiction.
So let's hope it doesn't happen because again they could turn into a complete kangaroo court.
Well, I mean, the whole thing is going to turn into an absolute farce.
I mean, there's no other way around it.
I mean, Trump was fundraising off of this within a half hour.
Like, literally an email that said, Breaking Indicted.
Like, that shows you where this country is and where the MAGA world is in terms of grifting people.
He's probably thrilled.
Honestly.
I mean, like, really.
I think it's going to help his political narrative to the people who believe in him.
I think he's going to fundraise.
I don't think anyone like Donald Trump truly ever thinks they're going to be held accountable.
I really don't.
And so it's already being turned around to raise money.
He's going to make a mint off of it.
This remains to be seen, what happens here.
But this is a major deal.
It's a big, big, big deal.
I mean, maybe he's happy because he's already familiar with the process of turning yourself in.
And so that's already easy.
It's not hard.
He's not like scary anymore.
He knows what that's like.
So I don't know.
I think he enjoys the attention.
I really, truly do.
I think any attention for him is good attention.
And I think that something like this is is like really something that he like thrives on.
And I got to tell you, all of the I've been looking, none of the people who are running for president right now on the Republican side, I haven't seen anybody commenting on this.
I haven't seen anybody weighing in and there are easy points to make here to simply say you know the deep state's out of control.
I have not seen it yet and I think that says a lot too.
I mean Vivek weighed in, but who cares about him?
Oh, Vivek.
Oh, okay.
Well, stop the process.
Yeah, I don't know.
I would prefer to think that somewhere deep down there is an immense shame going on in his cockles of his whatever.
Somewhere.
I'd love to be able to leave that.
I know he wants to battle this and he likes all the tension and whatever, but I'd love to just sort of picture him just sort of being ashamed in a quiet moment tonight at some point.
You know what?
We can all live in fantasies.
That's what we've been taught in the United States of America.
We can believe that.
It can sustain us.
We can warm our hands by it.
It's okay.
I hear you.
I would love it if Donald Trump came out tomorrow and was like, I'm so sorry about this.
This is terrible and I'm sorry for my role in it.
That sounds good to me, but either way, it is a long road ahead.
The other, I mean, the New York stuff is not even going to be happening until March.
Who knows what's going to happen with this and how long it's going to take.
And don't forget, by the way, that he was caught on tape shaking down the Georgia process trying to get votes there.
So, I mean, it's just getting so, so wild.
All right, everybody, we're going to go to our show now, our regularly scheduled programming.
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All right, everybody, let's get to it.
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Welcome to the Weekender Edition of the McCraig Podcast.
I'm here with Nick Halseman.
I gotta tell you, Nick, Things are picking up.
Things are happening.
Things are moving.
Things are shaking.
It feels like we are moving into, number one, the summer of the muckrake, in which we need to go over to patreon.com slash muckrakepodcast to listen to the rest of this episode, but also support the show, but also to tell people about this show, and also to get into the political season.
2024, it comes early, and we are here to knock all this stuff down, but it's a busy, busy time.
Uh, it is.
But again, I'm looking forward to some, you know, relaxing time too when the weather ever gets warm.
Is it warm where you are?
It's warm.
It's warm.
It's up.
It's down.
There's smoke in the air.
We're trying to survive.
Yeah, thank goodness.
But, you know, I'm well aware of the smoke in the air, what that's like over here, the wildfires that we have in California.
But so I feel for everyone that's going through all that right now, because it could be brutal.
It can be tough.
And we're going to cover that in full here in just a second.
But before we do, Nick, we have a couple of happy trails that we need to talk about.
First things first, big boy Chris Licht, who can lift like Jeff Zucker, can't.
He is out at CNN.
An absolute tragedy for Chris Licht and not many other people.
The Atlantic article that we covered on Tuesday's show was apparently the straw on the camel's back, but not the entire reason.
The reports are out now that ad sales were down 40% under Chris Licht.
This was not a ship that was going to sail for very long.
We both sort of said it.
We thought that this thing was probably coming in sooner than later, but the quickness of it was pretty astounding.
Yeah, didn't take long at all.
And once they brought somebody else in, you know, to be like a co-CEO or something like that, then that was definitely the end is near.
I'm not even sure Licht understood that.
I think he went a couple days still trying to like make it all work.
And at some point when it turns, you know, your best to know that and maybe get out before they get you out.
But it was a hit piece though, right?
That was a hit piece.
Someone set him up.
He, again, we already talked about how they shouldn't have had He shouldn't have been so forthcoming to the author of that piece.
But I suppose no one is saying, is defending him over all this.
No, and I want to point something out, because this is one of those things that, you know, signals get mixed up in social media the way that things like this are dealt with.
A lot of people are saying that Licht was out because of his politics, because he was pushing the... and the phrase that's coming out now, and I actually think it's a pretty descriptive phrase, the idea that it's a extreme centrism, an anti-woke extreme centrism, I don't think that that's exactly wrong.
As I've said before, I think the center has moved to the right because of the authoritarian push in this country.
I don't think he's out because that was his politics.
He's out because it didn't work, because people didn't want to watch it, and also because you couldn't turn on CNN without feeling the poisonous influence of this person.
There's no other way to say it, Nick.
The vibes, they were bad.
Yeah, it's funny because, right, in an abstract way, if you're trying to increase ratings, bringing Trump on for a town hall is a great idea.
Um, what's interesting, though, about the whole landscape, which I mean, we can kind of be touched on this for a second, is that Tucker Carlson is now also being served papers by Fox News, if you saw that, for doing his Twitter show and violating a the agreement he made that he wouldn't appear on anything like this for till after the election.
Um, and now it's gonna go back and forth.
It's really fascinating.
And so what's gonna happen, I think, is that Tucker's trying to poison the well for Fox.
He's going to try and get all those people that would have watched him on Fox over where he is and destroy their ratings, which are not doing great either.
But what's interesting about all of this, then, is where are these people going to go, right?
It was all up for grabs, and there was probably moments where even Licht could have figured something out to capitalize that if he could have waited maybe a couple more weeks.
But I don't think so.
Do you think that any of those Fox News watchers would go to CNN, ultimately?
No, no.
I think what we're actually watching right now, and I think Chris Licht is going to be a really interesting footnote in this moment in history.
I think 2016 was very particularly the election of cable news.
You know what I mean?
It was like how much free time they gave Donald Trump, but then of course you start to see social media be a part of this.
Then you get to 2020 and like there wasn't even a campaign trail.
You know, it was who could make the most best videos from their their homes.
And basically, the battle lines were set between Biden and Trump.
I think we're moving past cable news.
I think the conversations that we've been having are about the death knell of this medium.
And I think that we are now moving into another area where I don't know if social media is the one by the way, Tucker's new quote unquote show is dreadful.
Awful, awful shit.
I mean, not surprising.
And I think we're going to look back on this Chris Licht mini-tenure as one of those really weird little footnotes in a bigger story about media and politics in this country.
I agree.
I suppose there's going to be blips where something really major like Trump gets indicted and everyone's going to flock to whatever they want to watch.
Don't spoil the show, Nick!
Oh, sorry.
You know what?
You already gave away our first two segments.
What are we doing here?
It wasn't even, I was just throwing something out there.
Let's say, you know, whatever.
What else would be notable?
Nonetheless, That's what's going to happen, right?
You're going to have these spikes.
But the worry then, is that like, if I was working in one of these companies, and my entire existence is rooted in these spikes of when people are going to come watch, you'd almost want to create your own news to then cover it, right?
Which would be a whole dystopian future where CNN is now blowing shit up and then sending their guys over there to pretend it's like a terrorist attack.
They're not doing that, that I know of, yet.
But what they are doing is exactly what you said a while ago.
It was like the Trump Town Hall.
They did that to try and make news.
The same way that they've now had Haley on there.
The same way that they've had Mike Pence on there.
They'll have anybody on there.
They'd probably give us a town hall if we wanted to do it.
But the whole point is, they are trying to make their own news.
And that era is not great.
You know, it's not good for anybody, it's not good for CNN, it's not good for the viewers, it's not good for politics.
By the way, a very, very heartfelt Happy Trails from the Muckrake podcast.
Friend of the pod, Pat Robertson.
93, sailing off over that rainbow bridge.
I gotta tell you, On a personal note, Pat Robertson, go to hell.
Like one of the worst people in modern American politics, the effect that he had.
I want to remind everybody, just to set the table, Pat Robertson, not only the founder of the 700 Club and part of the evangelical right, was also a candidate in 1988 up against George H.W.
Bush.
And people like to think that that wasn't a big deal.
Nick, he took Washington He won the caucuses in Washington.
He took second in Iowa.
Like, this guy had an actual effect on things.
He is one of the originators of the New World Order conspiracy theory, one of the worst human beings in terms of his oppression of women, his oppression of gay people.
Nick, if you could, you're going to run a clip here in a second.
This is Pat Robertson reacting to an earthquake in Haiti that killed God knows how many people.
This was his reaction.
And you know, Christie, something happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people may not want to talk about it.
They were under the heel of the French.
You know, Napoleon III and whatever.
And they got together and swore a pact to the devil.
They said, we will serve you if you'll get us free from the French.
True story.
And so the devil said, OK, it's a deal.
And they kicked the French out.
You know, the Haitians revolted and got themselves free.
But ever since they have been cursed by one thing after the other, desperately poor.
That island of Hispanola is one island.
It's cut down the middle.
On the one side is Haiti, on the other side is the Dominican Republic.
Dominican Republic is prosperous, healthy, full of resorts, etc.
Haiti is in desperate poverty.
Same islands.
They need to have, and we need to pray for them, a great turning to God.
And out of this tragedy, I'm optimistic something good may come.
But right now, we're helping the suffering people, and the suffering is unimaginable.
Absolutely, Pat.
Go to hell!
For anybody who is unclear on the history of this, by the way, the idea that Haiti sold their soul to Satan and that's why what happened to them happened to them.
No, it's because they got taxed and levied and just absolutely economically dominated by the white western powers to the point where they were never able to create something for themselves.
That being said, Pat Robertson, rich tradition, blaming 9-11 on gay people, blaming basically everything on women asserting their rights.
An awful, awful human being.
Awful human being.
I mean, listen, you were nice to pick that as his soundbite about Haiti because there's a lot of other stuff he had said.
I mean, the other things that he's famous for are just like the predictions he's made that have just never been right.
Do you know what the 700 Club stands for?
Do you know why they call it that?
If I remember right, isn't it the idea that if 700 people donated a certain amount of money, they would be able to do something?
Isn't it work something like that?
Well, yeah, he bought a TV station that was in bankruptcy in Virginia in the early 60s.
And so he's able to put together 700 donors that help him launch and get off the ground.
So, think about that.
The title of his whole show is simply about money, about needing money that people need to give him.
Can I give you a weird little anecdote, Nick?
This is a strange admission.
I talk about the Midnight Kingdom, like how many people like Pat Robertson were part of my life growing up.
My family actually sent money to the 700 Club to try and bring me into existence.
My parents were trying to have children, and in order to try and facilitate that, they sent money to the 700 Club so that I would be born.
And by the way, my family?
Poor as fucking dirt.
And that's the kind of people that Pat Robertson took advantage of, kept them terrified, and kept them rolling down this conspiracy theory-laden idea, blamed everything on Cabal, Satan, you name it.
Which, by the way, Nick, real fast, as a person outside of the evangelical community, Does that make sense to you at all?
Why would the Haitians selling their souls for freedom lead to them not being good?
Like, wouldn't Satan provide for them?
I know they're trying to say it's like a monkey's paw situation, but I've never been able to square that circle.
Yeah, I think you're right.
And I think, you know, his whole criticism about Haitians would be just...
What he perceives as immorality.
Morality, yeah.
You know, gay people, you know, and AIDS crisis.
All these things that are someone else's fault.
By the way, I want to know how much does it cost to conceive of a Jared Bate section?
You know what, Nick?
The answer to that?
Priceless.
Priceless, absolutely.
All right.
Go to hell, Pat Robertson.
Man, sometimes it's good when somebody shuffles off this mortal coil.
That brings us to our main segment on the show, Nick.
Large parts of the United States, from New York to Georgia, from Delaware to Nebraska, are absolutely blanketed In accurate smoke from wildfires in Canada, there were over 400 wildfires.
It seems they were set off from record temperatures, lightning strikes.
Air quality in New York City and Philadelphia over the past week has been worse than anywhere else in the world.
It is a large, overwhelming phenomenon that we are dealing with and hard to not sit here and think about like one of the most obvious side effects of climate change and global warming.
Meanwhile, we're reacting to it not great.
A lot of people are just walking around in it.
A lot of people are just sort of living in it.
It doesn't seem like this is sparking anything in the direction of a conversation about things that we might do.
What are your takes on this thing so far?
I mean, I don't know what you're supposed to do to avoid these things, right?
Other than stay inside and and wear masks.
This is why a good chance that we have, you know, experience with that now.
But, you know, we heard Trump go on and on about how if we just rake the forest better, you know, we tried to prevent that it would stop.
It's not that, you know, lightning strikes, like you said, could start these things.
And we have so much drought that these things are so dry that it could start from nothing or practically nothing to a huge Out of control blaze.
It's a problem.
It causes all sorts of issues with respiratory stuff.
And I don't, I don't, I don't know.
I think we are simply doomed.
And this could be very well that the part of the climate change that we look at could be very well the normal cycle of this earth.
I think that we've had these, this is the thing that we've seen a lot of.
The only thing that's a little bit different is that it's a lot hotter now and maybe more conducive.
But I feel like, you know, this is the natural stuff that we're not going to really be able to control, if that makes sense.
You mean the side effects of the man-made situation?
Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, something that has really been hammered home in my head over the past couple of days, as this haze and the smoke has been rolling in, is how much the side effects, the obvious visual side effects of climate disaster, are going to be commodified.
Like, who can take the best pictures of it?
You know what I mean?
Like, who can document it?
Who can have the best videos of it?
If you can go viral possibly using this as something to sort of promote your social media account or one of your, you know, one of your businesses.
It's really strange in that, how that's occurred.
To me, it's a lot like the Newtown situation.
We've talked about it.
I think before Newtown happened, we thought that something like that would lead to something significant happening, right?
At least an address of the problem.
I think what we're finding is that the problem of global climate change, and you know, this isn't the first time that we've seen it, we've seen super storms, we've seen hurricanes, we've seen, you know, mass mass refugee situations, like, we've seen Americans just absolutely left to freeze and die of starvation, you Wait, Pat Robertson actually did correctly predict a tsunami.
Oh!
Give him props for that one.
Ah, I hope you're rotten hell.
So in all of that, it is one of those situations where, you know, I think that the way things are situated right now, unless our politics change, unless our societies change, unless there is some sort of a progressive ground, you know, groundswell against this stuff, and maybe there will be, maybe generationally there will be, It feels like we're going to just absolutely speed run our way into a climate apocalypse in which eventually the people who deny that exist are simply going to turn into eco-fascists.
It's going to turn into, oh, we have diminishing resources.
Well, now we have to crush people in order to get those resources.
I don't want to believe that.
I want to believe that there is a way out of this thing.
But this like this is a very, very obvious example of what's going on.
And the fact that we're just covering it and we're not really talking about where this comes from, like particularly in mainstream media, that that really concerns me.
Well, I mean, if we live in a woke society, I probably feel a lot better about it because as resources are dwindled, we would probably feel better about sharing everything and trying to come together as a civilization to help people.
But we now know that that is rapidly going away and we're having more and more factions and more and more discord in a way that I easily can see us moving into.
I mean, I guess Interstellar wasn't the worst Model of that, right, as the blight takes over and we can't grow crops, it becomes just a dystopian future where it's not pleasant to live in.
And I agree, I could easily picture people just amassing guns and amassing whatever they can to survive on and being so wary of anybody else coming near them in that purge sort of future.
That could very well happen.
And then guess what?
It could really happen in other countries first.
So that's going to be really where the signal is going to happen.
We're going to have people, refugees from other countries who have nothing and no water and no food, you know, pouring into other people's countries for help.
That's when we'll be able to know a little bit ahead of time before it happens here.
But it's probably just the precursor to what happened here.
Absolutely.
Climate change is going to impact areas that have already been absolutely exploited and decimated by American hegemonic globalism.
Absolutely.
That's where it's and where it's already happening first.
And eventually what's going to happen is the same thing that we've sort of seen with the refugee crisis.
We're going to see authoritarians and strongmen who want to put these people in camps and even forcibly sterilize them, right?
Because they're seen almost as vermin who need to be put off.
That is absolutely where all of that is going.
I want to go ahead and say that I don't think it's a coincidence that as we're facing almost the near certainty of climate apocalypse, also political alienation, frustration, an era of malaise, people are very frustrated right now.
And by frustrated, I don't just mean that they're angry.
I mean that they're also, a lot of people are checking out.
A lot of people are dropping out.
They're just like, fine, nothing can be done.
I'm just going to enjoy my life.
I don't think it's a coincidence that as we tiptoe or sprint, depending on your perspective, towards that state, I don't think it's a coincidence that, like, we're watching Apple bring out virtual reality glasses.
I don't think it's a surprise that we're talking about things like the metaverse.
I don't think it's a surprise we're talking about artificial intelligence creating entertainments and alternate realities that we can live within.
I think in all of this, what's going to get served until something changes, and God, I hope it does, is going to be the business profit incentive to go ahead and make money off of the problem.
Not to solve it, but to make money off of it.
And so as a result, I think the idea that we can, you know, the people who can afford it can live in a different reality where they don't have to look at these things.
I think that that looks very tempting for a lot of people.
It's an interesting point, especially with the AI.
I don't know if it's necessarily related to where we are as a society and why it's coming out now.
They've probably been working on it for decades, trying to get there.
But I think the point is that the popularity of these things as they start to explode is what's indicative of why where we are is so dangerous of a time, in theory.
Because of that.
Like, yeah, we are moving toward the end of WALL-E where everyone's sitting there, you know, they never walk.
They're just stuck at a screen and they're completely unplugged or plugged in so they don't have to be unplugged and aware of what's really happening in reality.
It does make sense.
It's probably the part of the show where, you know, anxiety is ratcheted up.
We would be remiss before we get too much farther.
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That's all we would ask for is just suggest to one other person, and if they're interested in this kind of stuff, would really kind of help us out and keep this conversation going.
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