The Lindell Report - Mike Lindell - Deals, Data & Deep State Files: The Mike Lindell Show Aired: 2026-05-14 Duration: 59:18 === Xi And China Cooperation (15:21) === [00:00:24] You ever see this guy with the pillows on Fox? [00:00:29] My pillow guy, Mike Lindell. [00:00:34] He is the greatest. [00:00:36] The My Pillow guy. [00:00:39] Mike Lindell. [00:00:43] And he's been with us right from the beginning. [00:01:02] Happy Thursday, everybody. [00:01:04] We have another full day of news here on the Michael and Dell Show. [00:01:08] I'm Heather Mullins, guest hosting for Michael and Dell. [00:01:11] Once again, the big news obviously dominating the headlines. [00:01:15] President Trump continues his talks out in China, where he was joined by about 30 American business leaders out there, including the likes of Elon Musk, Larry Fink, and others. [00:01:29] The talks so far have been going good, according to the president. [00:01:33] And there were several items on the agenda yesterday. [00:01:36] Out there in Beijing. [00:01:39] And we're just going to play for you the opening statements from President Xi Jinping himself, as well as President Trump, so you can hear directly from the two presidents on how these talks are going. [00:01:51] Take a listen. [00:01:53] I'd like to invite you, Mr. President, to deliver your opening remarks. [00:02:00] President Trump, I'm very pleased to meet you in Beijing. [00:02:08] Welcome back to China after nine years. [00:02:20] The whole world is watching our meeting. [00:02:26] Currently, transformation not seen in a century is accelerating across the globe, and the international situation is fluid and turbulent. [00:02:35] The world has come to a new crossroads. [00:02:38] Can China and the United States overcome the Thucydides trap and create a new paradigm of major country relations? [00:02:51] Can we meet global challenges together and provide more stability for the world? [00:03:01] Can we, in the interests of the well being of our two peoples and the future of humanity, build a brighter future together for our bilateral relations? [00:03:12] These are the questions vital to history, to the world, and to the people. [00:03:20] They are the questions. [00:03:22] Of our times that you and I need to answer as leaders of major countries. [00:03:28] This year is the 250th anniversary of American independence. [00:03:35] Congratulations to you and to the American people. [00:03:40] I always believe that our two countries have more common interests than differences. [00:03:49] Success in one is an opportunity for the other. [00:03:53] And a stable bilateral relationship is good for the world. [00:03:58] China and the United States both stand to gain from cooperation and lose from confrontation. [00:04:04] We should be partners, not rivals. [00:04:06] We should help each other succeed and prosper together and find the right way for major countries to get along well with each other in the new era. [00:04:16] Mr. President, I look forward to our discussions on major issues important to our two countries and the world. [00:04:24] And working together with you to set the course for and steer the giant ship of China U.S. relations so as to make 2026 a historic landmark year that opens up a new chapter in China U.S. relations. [00:04:46] I will pause here and hand over to you, Mr. President. [00:04:50] Thank you. [00:04:53] Well, President Xi, I want to thank you very much. [00:04:56] First of all, that was an honor like few have ever seen before. [00:05:03] And I think I was particularly impressed by those children. [00:05:06] They were happy. [00:05:08] They were beautiful. [00:05:09] The military is obvious. [00:05:11] It couldn't be better. [00:05:12] But those children were amazing and they represent so much. [00:05:15] And I know they represent so much to you. [00:05:19] You and I have known each other now for a long time. [00:05:22] In fact, the longest relationship of our two countries that any president and president Has had, and that's to me an honor. [00:05:32] We've had a fantastic relationship. [00:05:34] We've gotten along when there were difficulties, we worked it out. [00:05:38] I would call you, and you would call me. [00:05:40] And whenever we had a problem, people don't know, whenever we had a problem, we worked that out very quickly. [00:05:46] We're going to have a fantastic future together. [00:05:51] Such respect for China, the job you've done. [00:05:54] You're a great leader. [00:05:55] I say it to everybody. [00:05:56] You're a great leader. [00:05:57] Sometimes people don't like me saying it, but I say it anyway because it's true. [00:06:01] I only say the truth. [00:06:03] And I just want to say, on behalf of all of the great delegation that we have, we have the greatest businessmen, the biggest, and I guess the best in the world. [00:06:12] We have amazing people, and they're all with me. [00:06:15] Every single one of them, we asked the top 30 in the world. [00:06:20] Every single one of them said yes. [00:06:22] And I didn't want the second or the third in the company. [00:06:25] I wanted only the top. [00:06:27] And they're here today to pay respects to you and to China. [00:06:30] And they look forward to trade and doing business. [00:06:34] And it's going to be totally reciprocal on our behalf. [00:06:38] So I really look very much forward to our discussion. [00:06:40] It's a big discussion. [00:06:41] There are those that say this is maybe the biggest summit ever. [00:06:45] They can never remember anything like it. [00:06:47] I can say in the United States, it's people aren't talking about anything else. [00:06:52] But it's an honor to be with you. [00:06:54] It's an honor to be your friend. [00:06:56] And the relationship between China and the USA is going to be better than ever before. [00:07:01] Thank you very much. [00:07:03] Thank you. [00:07:17] So, those were some of the opening statements from President Xi Jinping of the People's Republic of China and President Trump. [00:07:25] Again, what some are calling one of the most high stakes summits in decades. [00:07:32] In fact, the last time we had a president go out to China in person was President Trump himself back in 2017. [00:07:41] These two major countries have a lot to be talking about. [00:07:44] That was one of the first stops on the agendas, one of the first big meetings. [00:07:49] As you can see, sitting beside President Trump were a lot of members of his cabinet. [00:07:53] Secretary Hegseth is obviously in attendance due to the situation in Iran. [00:07:58] China has a very big stake in what happens with the Strait of Hormuz and a number of other military ventures in the region, as well as Secretary Rubio is in attendance. [00:08:10] The second meeting that they did, there was a banquet over there in the evening. [00:08:16] President Trump and Xi also, again, gave positive statements. [00:08:21] And did a toast at that meal. [00:08:23] And that was sort of more of the business meeting that they had. [00:08:27] But let's go ahead and take a look at, listen to President Xi Jinping's banquet toast. [00:08:34] And again, it's the translator speaking because we need to have those when we're in China. [00:08:39] Take a listen. [00:08:41] Now, please join me in the toast to the development and prosperity of China and the United States and the well being of our people, to the bright future of China-US relations and the friendship between the two peoples. [00:08:56] and to the health of President Trump and all the friends present. [00:09:00] Cheers. [00:09:02] Come be. [00:09:03] Cheers. [00:09:09] So there you have President Xi's toast. [00:09:12] And also following that, President Trump himself got up once again and gave some words of his own. [00:09:18] Take a listen. [00:09:19] Well, thank you very much. [00:09:20] This is a great honor. [00:09:22] It was a fantastic day. [00:09:25] And in particular, I want to thank President Xi, my friend. for this magnificent welcome, and it really was a magnificent welcome like none other, and for so graciously hosting us on this very historic state visit. [00:09:43] We had extremely positive and productive conversations and meetings today with the Chinese delegation earlier, and this evening is another cherished opportunity to discuss among friends some of the things that we discussed today, all good for The United States and for China, and it was a great honor to be with you. [00:10:06] Please. [00:10:13] So, there you have it, hearing directly from the presidents at those two events. [00:10:17] It's going to be interesting to see how this actually manifests into potential trade deals. [00:10:22] I know some of the issues that people have been talking about are whether or not China is going to be allowing the purchase of goods here from the American economy. [00:10:33] There's the cooperation fighting the fentanyl crisis. [00:10:36] One of the big things the Trump administration has been doing, even with the partnership there over at the Pentagon, is cracking down on the war on drugs, the narco terrorism. [00:10:47] A big portion of that fentanyl coming across our border that was killing Americans came from China. [00:10:52] And so these are part of the negotiations, the talks that I'm sure is being had there, as well as easing restrictions on rare earth minerals that we get from China. [00:11:00] We also get a lot of medicine from China. [00:11:02] So a lot of cooperation between these two countries can be good for America. [00:11:07] But at the same time, you have consistently people like Steve Bannon warning that China often doesn't play by the rules. [00:11:16] Chinese espionage is certainly something. [00:11:18] That we've been dealing with here in the United States, that mayor out there in California just a few days ago being arrested for being a Chinese spy. [00:11:26] All of these things sort of play into these negotiations. [00:11:29] So once President Trump and the White House put out the official talks and what that looks like, will be good for everybody. [00:11:37] What we can tell you is that Secretary Rubio came out saying China officially is taking the position of being against the tolls that Iran has been advocating for at the Strait of Hormuz. [00:11:49] So take a listen. [00:11:51] He did. [00:11:52] And it was important because the Chinese side said they are not in favor of militarizing the Straits of Hormuz and they're not in favor of a tolling system. [00:12:01] And that's our position. [00:12:04] So there's some common ground there. [00:12:06] That strait has been the topic of discussion now for many months. [00:12:10] As I've been down there covering the Pentagon, a lot of countries are eager to get that strait opened. [00:12:16] So we'll have to keep you updated on that. [00:12:18] There is not going to be a Pentagon briefing this week as the secretary is traveling with the president there in China. [00:12:25] Secretary Scott Besson did come out, though, as well, saying that there's going to be a board of trade between the U.S. and China. [00:12:33] Take a listen. [00:12:34] The vice premier and I, who have a very good working relationship, I think we've seen each other. [00:12:39] This was either our eighth or ninth meeting, worked on the agenda for today's meeting in terms of the economics, the deliverables. [00:12:49] And so we talked about purchases, we talked about some issues that the Chinese side had, and we're going to talk about. [00:12:58] Of forming a board of trade for the bilateral trade between the U.S. and China. [00:13:07] And we're going to talk about a board of investment that will be responsible for investment in non sensitive areas. [00:13:16] And finally, the White House put out this statement this morning giving an update on the bilateral meeting in Beijing, saying President Trump had a good meeting with President Xi of China. [00:13:27] The two sides discussed ways to Enhance economic cooperation between our two countries, including expanding market access for American businesses into China and increasing Chinese investment into our industries. [00:13:40] Leaders from many of the United States' largest companies joined a portion of the meeting. [00:13:45] The presidents also highlighted the need to build on progress in ending the flow of fentanyl precursors into the United States, as well as increasing Chinese purchase of American agricultural products. [00:13:57] The two sides agreed that the Strait of Hormuz must remain open to support the free flow of energy. [00:14:02] President Xi also made clear China's opposition to the militarization of the strait and any effort to charge a toll for its use. [00:14:10] And he expressed interest in purchasing more American oil to reduce China's dependence on the strait in the future. [00:14:17] Both countries agreed that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon. [00:14:23] Also, President Trump did invite President Xi to the United States. [00:14:27] I believe they picked a date in September. [00:14:29] So we could be seeing the president of China down in Washington. [00:14:33] Lastly, at this summit that we have to cover here. [00:14:36] Elon Musk was in attendance, but also with him, his little guy, little ex, was seen walking alongside Elon over there in China. [00:14:46] And he put out this tweet saying that his son is actually going to be learning Mandarin. [00:14:52] So that's our little update for you today on the summit. [00:14:55] We'll have more for you tomorrow. [00:14:57] We're going to take a quick break. [00:14:59] And when we come back, a good friend of mine and great journalist joins us. [00:15:03] And she happens to be one of the people Elon tapped. [00:15:06] To break the Twitter files all those years ago. [00:15:10] So we will be right back. [00:15:16] Mike Lindell here. [00:15:18] The radical left and the deep state aren't just coming for our freedoms, they're coming after our money too. 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[00:19:09] She's from Georgia, where some of these issues are unfolding, is an incredible journalist and my friend, Lindsay Penny. [00:19:18] Hi, Heather. [00:19:19] Thanks so much for having me on. [00:19:20] Yeah, as a Georgia resident, seeing these headlines is really unnerving. [00:19:26] And I immediately looked into where I'm at in North Georgia to see what the status of data centers being built here. [00:19:34] Is and found out that luckily people showed up to a meeting where a data center was going to be built up here and it got shut down because of the public outrage. [00:19:43] And that's really the key here is for people to not just gloss over and not pay attention. [00:19:48] If they don't want to be impacted and have their local city water impacted by these data centers being built where they are, they have to show up and show that they are not okay with those being built in their backyards, which has happened. [00:20:01] There was a big crisis up in Oregon where this happened and they used. [00:20:07] 30 million, they also used 30 million dollars of 30 million gallons, I'm sorry, of water for the data center and tapped into directly to the city's water. [00:20:16] And they ended up paying for the water usage. [00:20:19] But this same scenario that happened in Georgia, they were not even aware that the data center was actually hooked up and using the city's water. [00:20:28] So they had to backbill them and they paid it, but it's still ongoing. [00:20:32] And it's going to continue to be a problem because data centers are one of the biggest booming industries that don't really offer. [00:20:38] Long term jobs for any community. [00:20:41] There's only construction short term jobs, and then they pretty much run on their own. [00:20:46] So economically, it doesn't really bring any benefit to these communities to have these massive data centers. [00:20:53] And instead, it's more ecologically a deficit than any positive whatsoever. [00:21:00] And in South Georgia, the water shortages were further worsened because of the droughts that they're having down there. [00:21:10] And they had wildfires and everything else break. [00:21:12] Breakout. [00:21:13] And so it just made their whole situation worse and is making it worse because they're still going through it now. [00:21:18] But the only way to fight back on this right now is locally show up to your local meetings and your local government to let them know that you don't want to have data centers and vote for people that, you know, think along the same lines and aren't going to be bought by these big tech companies trying to persuade them to let them build them in your backyards. [00:21:40] Yeah, I don't think anybody realized that this would happen because although we've had data centers. [00:21:45] It's never been really front and center in the headlines until all of a sudden this massive push to sort of develop them at scale. [00:21:54] I know the Pentagon really said they want to drive up these data centers to compete against China and other countries. [00:22:02] But I think now we're actually seeing the direct impact. [00:22:05] It was almost like the windmills, right? [00:22:06] They all pushed the windmills for energy at one point. [00:22:08] And then all of a sudden they put the windmills up and they're like, oh, it's affecting the birds, it's affecting the animals, it's affecting the homes and like all sorts of other stuff. [00:22:16] The data centers just sort of going through that same. [00:22:19] Kind of learning curve, and we have a video here I want to play. [00:22:23] It's another Georgia data center. [00:22:26] A family was like showing how it impacted the water in her home. [00:22:30] It's like it's actually alarming that this is. [00:22:32] I don't know why they're building them that close to communities, but they are. [00:22:36] So let's go ahead and take a listen to this. [00:22:40] This is my cold water pressure in the kitchen. [00:22:46] This is where I fill up water for storage. [00:22:49] Those are the things we have to fill up to flush the toilets, so you can see the sediment. [00:22:53] From the data center. [00:22:56] Wow, and that's just from the water coming out of your faucet. [00:22:58] Yeah. [00:22:59] And this is what's in all the pipes. [00:23:01] Just the well itself is probably 20,000, and that's not counting any of the. [00:23:06] All the replacement of the fixtures and pauses and toilets and the lines that come underneath the house. [00:23:12] It's overwhelming because you really feel like you are up against this huge wall that you can't penetrate. [00:23:22] There's nothing that. [00:23:24] That you can do, and they don't care. [00:23:28] I'm here in Mansfield, Georgia, driving by Meta's new 2 million square foot data center facility. [00:23:34] Facilities like this are being used to power things like ChatGPT and other AI tools that are becoming integrated into our daily life. [00:23:42] Data centers, going to be a very hot item. [00:23:44] This entire supercomputer is built to power GROC. [00:23:47] We see data centers as the most exciting asset class. [00:23:51] Meta is building a 2 gigawatt plus data center that is so large it would cover a significant part of Manhattan. [00:23:58] But data centers come with big costs, from light and noise pollution to the environmental impacts to the potential rising costs of energy bills. [00:24:06] These facilities put extraordinary demand on the power grid and require entirely new infrastructure. [00:24:18] So I think the magnitude of it, the impact on the communities is alarming. [00:24:25] Is there any way to pick locations that are more suited? [00:24:30] For something like this? [00:24:31] Because I understand sort of the AI race. [00:24:34] If our adversaries are building up technology and elevating, you know, we want to kind of be on par and have the same, if not better, technology. [00:24:43] So, how do we do this, Lindsay, in a way that isn't going to harm small local communities? [00:24:49] Or is that the trade off? [00:24:53] Well, they're going to be building them no matter what. [00:24:56] It's the biggest booming industry for construction right now, would be data centers. [00:25:02] Because in order to power all of these AI, Platforms and the growth, and how they're supposed to end up replacing essentially all jobs eventually, is what many people and many experts in AI say. [00:25:16] People laugh at Elon wanting to do data centers outside of Earth and go into space and do it that way. [00:25:24] I'm sure he actually will get there one day. [00:25:26] It would not surprise me at all. [00:25:27] But they're going to be built somewhere, and locally is really the only way you can fight back individually. [00:25:33] But they need to be close to places with. [00:25:37] Large water supplies, and then they'll dry those up. [00:25:39] And they also require cooling components to keep everything cool in there. [00:25:44] And that ends up depleting the water sources to be drinkable until they've been purified and run back through. [00:25:52] So the whole thing is a nightmare. [00:25:54] I think that people just need to be aware and make sure that they're not going to have one show up in their backyard. [00:26:00] These people didn't know it's kind of reminiscent of an Aaron Brockovich part two movie with this water situation. [00:26:07] But anyone that lives near a data center has noticed their water pressure dropping significantly. [00:26:13] And some people are even having their water tested and finding out that there's all these things in their water that is toxic that is being used to provide coolant for these AI data centers. [00:26:25] So I think it is going to happen. [00:26:27] And just being aware of your local officials and local politicians and making sure that they're going to represent you and fight to not have it in your backyard is really the only way you can fight this because there's a big push to compete with other countries around the world, especially China. [00:26:45] If you don't want to deal with these problems and these nightmares, you're just going to have to keep an eye and get involved and speak up and spread the word. [00:26:53] That's really the only way I think that this battle is fought and won. [00:26:58] Yeah, no, you're not wrong. [00:26:59] And the other thing, too, we have a sound bite, but the sound of these data centers. [00:27:05] If the water issue isn't enough, take a listen to what it sounds like to have one of these data centers come into your neighborhood. [00:27:25] I mean, that's just, I can't imagine growing up in your childhood home, which we're seeing countless Georgians making videos now of that noise and these data centers being in their backyard. [00:27:38] And in particular, one Fayette County mom, you know, they're dealing with the threat of imminent domain and the government or these companies essentially seizing portions or all of their land in order to make way for the power lines coming through. [00:27:55] So, I want to real quickly just play a clip from this Fayette County mom, just talking about some of her struggles with the companies and trying to protect her home, if not get a good dollar for it. [00:28:08] So, take a listen. [00:28:11] Hi, my name is Rachel Mask. [00:28:13] Forgive me if this video does not come off as super polished, but I never do this and I don't have any social media. [00:28:18] I just made this account to talk to you. [00:28:21] I wanted to share what's happening over at my house in Fayette County. [00:28:25] This is my porch and this is my backyard. [00:28:29] And this is the site of the new Georgia Power Transmission Line. [00:28:34] They will be taking a third of our two acre property to build a 150 foot right of way for a 500 kilovolt line. [00:28:46] Yeah, I don't really know what to say about it. [00:28:49] Besides, this is kind of crazy. [00:28:50] It's not very common to use a 500 kV line for a distance of less than 40 miles. [00:28:56] It directly connects to the data center in Fayetteville and the substation at the new data center that's going in in Tyrone. [00:29:04] Yet they continue to tell us that this project is for the public good and therefore they are able to use eminent domain proceedings to take any property. [00:29:12] I mean, that's just like heartbreaking to see. [00:29:14] That's just one of so many stories coming out right there in your state of Georgia of people losing childhood homes to this eminent domain. [00:29:23] I mean, what is there really no way they can fight back against that other than locally? [00:29:28] Well, this is a similar story happened in Tennessee and people fought back and did win against the Tennessee Valley Authority, the TVA. [00:29:38] And thanks to John Rich interviewing some of the people or seeing an interview with some of the people that live in this Tennessee area where they were going to put in a massive data center. [00:29:50] He interviewed them and really struck a chord with this woman who had dementia. [00:29:54] And he said he couldn't get over this one. [00:30:01] Oh, but it looks like we might, she might have gotten frozen there. [00:30:07] Let's give Lindsay a second to rejoin us. [00:30:11] We actually have. [00:30:13] A tweet of John Rich to Kevin O'Leary. [00:30:16] Kevin O'Leary, if you guys don't know, is putting up his own data center. [00:30:21] But Kevin tweeted to him, he said, Kevin, my job per the president of the United States is to protect farm and ranch land. [00:30:30] I'd like to speak with you about these data centers and how we can keep them from negatively impacting our agriculture. [00:30:37] Because Kevin O'Leary said he's one of the only developers that has a background in environmental science to try to justify these data centers. [00:30:47] But there's just too many issues, and we have to figure something out. [00:30:51] Tucker Carlson also did an interview with Kevin O'Leary, and Tucker pushed back on him. [00:30:57] He tried calling it capitalism, but Tucker said, How can it be capitalism if taxpayers are paying for it? [00:31:04] So, take a listen. [00:31:06] To stop the advancement of technology with the uncertainty it brings has always been a dilemma in capitalism and in America. [00:31:15] And that's a fair comment. [00:31:17] How is this capitalism? [00:31:18] If taxpayers are paying for some of it, how is that capitalism? [00:31:21] That seems. [00:31:22] I just think that's no different than building an apartment building downtown in Austin. [00:31:27] You can get incentives for that too. [00:31:28] And that's just part of how it works. [00:31:30] You can debate that. [00:31:32] How is that capitalism? [00:31:33] How is that free market? [00:31:34] If politicians are handing you other people's money to do it, how is that capitalism? [00:31:40] Well, the capitalism is built into the Constitution, which I think was genius because it couldn't have even thought that far ahead, was the idea of competition between states. [00:31:50] Why is there an exodus out of New York City to Miami, where I live? [00:31:55] Why are people leaving New Jersey and Massachusetts and moving into my building? [00:31:59] Nobody in my building is from Florida. [00:32:02] They're all from other states. [00:32:03] I understand. [00:32:04] And all of these people moving, why? [00:32:06] Because they're reaching retirement age, and the environment in these other states is not conducive to their lifestyle when they're being in the building. [00:32:16] But I think you're making my point for me. [00:32:17] You just listed states that use a higher percentage of taxpayer dollars for private industry, and people are leaving those states, Illinois. [00:32:30] Welcome back, Lindsay. [00:32:31] So, you're just playing that clip there. [00:32:33] Sort of Tucker and Kevin O'Leary, who is building one of those data centers, you know, just talking about whether or not it really is capitalism because a lot of these companies are receiving taxpayer money to build their operations. [00:32:47] So, at what point does the taxpayer have a say in all of this? === CIA Documents Crisis (15:18) === [00:32:53] Well, everybody has a say as long as we have free speech. [00:32:56] But when they use things like eminent domain, that's really where it gets. [00:33:01] It gets ugly for a lot of people that have land or homes and farms, and the government comes in and says, We're going to take this over, just like what happened in Tennessee. [00:33:09] I'm not sure, I know I got cut, internet got cut off there for a second when I was speaking, but the Tennessee Valley Authority had an eminent domain thing that was pushing, trying to take away all these farm, all these, all this land owned by farmers. [00:33:23] And John Rich got involved, wrote a song about it, and used everything he could to try to fight back against this eminent domain. [00:33:32] A plan to basically take over all these properties of these people that weren't willing to sell to have a new build happen in Tennessee. [00:33:39] So, speaking up, getting loud, and having somebody in your corner like John Rich, I think, is a good thing to have. [00:33:46] But yeah, the eminent domain thing has always been controversial. [00:33:50] But this does come from the top. [00:33:52] Trump wanted to do full speed ahead with all these data centers. [00:33:55] So, and using the eminent domain thing is one path to get there. [00:34:00] But it definitely doesn't feel like capitalism when it's being subsidized by the government, for sure. [00:34:06] And it definitely is problematic when all of the residents of Georgia are now going to be paying for the data center use because it's going to be rolled into their electric bill for the next couple decades. [00:34:18] So it's really disheartening. [00:34:22] And I think that being aware of what's going on and knowing what you're paying for and what you can do to stop it or vote for the people that are going to have the people's best interests in mind is going to be critical moving forward for these types of situations. [00:34:38] Yeah, well said. [00:34:39] And shout out to John Rich for getting involved because, like, one of the other components to all of this isn't just, you know, people losing their childhood homes to eminent domain, but it's actually like the amount of water that these data centers are using can actually impact our farmlands and our food supply. [00:34:56] So, when you have one of these data centers going into a region that produces, you know, beef or any sort of crop, and then all of a sudden you're taking away 30 million gallons of water that would go to their farms. [00:35:11] That's going to impact our food supply. [00:35:12] So, this is something we need to walk slowly into before we do damage that we can't walk back. [00:35:22] And it'll just be interesting to see how it unfolds. [00:35:25] But, kind of pivoting here a little bit, one of the issues is like, okay, so let's say we get the data centers, right? [00:35:32] And we have this AI. [00:35:34] AI has been very controversial. [00:35:36] And now we're developing all of this stuff. [00:35:40] And at the same time, we have whistleblowers coming forward from our federal agencies. [00:35:45] Talking about some alarming stuff that our own government that wants these data centers is doing. [00:35:51] So I'm going to go ahead and play a clip here of the whistleblower, a CIA whistleblower from yesterday, and I'll get your thoughts on the other side. [00:35:59] The CIA refused to provide information necessary to understand why analytical standards at the CIA were violated. [00:36:09] The CIA illegally monitored the computer and phone usage of DIG personnel, their investigations, and contact with whistleblowers. [00:36:18] These were Americans being spied upon illegally while executing duties directed by the President and under the authority of the Director of National Intelligence. [00:36:31] One CIA contractor assisting with the DIG's investigation into the events that transpired between 2022 and 2023 was fired by the CIA one day after meeting with the DIG. [00:36:48] When the digs ceased operations, the CIA also took back 40 boxes of JFK files and MKUltra files being processed for declassification by DNI Gabbard. [00:37:03] So, your thoughts, Lindsay, because one of the things I think of when I think of the AI, the data centers, and these whistleblowers coming out is like, how do we draw a fine line and set some standards of ethics for our own government once this technology is developed? [00:37:21] Well, I think hopefully, if there are actually truthful AI systems built where they're not trained to lie, I think it's going to be a beneficial thing in the future because some of them are being trained on like Reddit threads and crazy data that just is just junk off the internet and can't really tell the truth from the lie. [00:37:43] They're just going to try to please the users that use it. [00:37:46] But I think that the CIA spying on its own citizens and hiding all of those documents is very disturbing. [00:37:54] But then again, the CIA is known to not really be very trustworthy. [00:37:59] They operate in secrecy and they're known to be very good at being duplicitous. [00:38:03] So I think that they need more oversight. [00:38:06] They always have, but them pulling those files and removing that information to prevent it from being declassified is extremely disturbing and it's getting old. [00:38:16] And I think that more oversight is definitely needed for the CIA. [00:38:22] Now, I know Tulsi Gabbard is sort of working through some of these documents. [00:38:26] There was. [00:38:28] I don't know if you saw it, but on social media, there was sort of this controversial rumor going around that Tulsi got raided by the CIA and they took a bunch of boxes and a bunch of big accounts shared it. [00:38:39] And then it turned out to be false. [00:38:41] Fox News, I guess, even reported that the raid occurred when it did not. [00:38:46] And we have this tweet from Anna Paulina Luna, if we could put that on the screen, because people were quoting her as claiming there was a raid. [00:38:54] And she said, I am noticing a few large accounts stating falsely that I claimed there was a raid on Tulsi Gabbard's. [00:39:01] Office by the CIA. [00:39:02] This is completely fake. [00:39:04] There is no clip or statement that exists. [00:39:06] Why is there an orchestrated push for this narrative? [00:39:09] Not one account can post a clip of me saying that because it never happened. [00:39:13] When Congress is notified of conflicting narratives from different agencies, i.e., the CIA or Office of Director of National Intelligence, it is our job to follow through to ensure documents are preserved and not destroyed. [00:39:27] This is not an issue with Ratcliffe or Gabbard. [00:39:29] For people to act like the CIA doesn't have a history of destroying documents is bizarre world. [00:39:35] Watch this clip for yourself. [00:39:36] I am talking about what the whistleblower is saying under oath. [00:39:40] So we'll go ahead and play that real quick for the people watching. [00:39:43] Before we get to the CIA whistleblower about the COVID 19 pandemic and Dr. Anthony Fauci's role in the cover up, you also have some news coming out of the CIA that you'd like to share. [00:39:56] Yeah, so we were actually just notified that the CIA went in and took documents out of ODI, multiple boxes pertaining to the JFK files as well as MKUltra. [00:40:08] The reason why this is troubling is A, there was an executive order that the president had directed the full declassification. [00:40:15] Of JFK, but then also to the MKUltra files. [00:40:18] The CIA famously has said that all documents were released and other documents had been destroyed. [00:40:24] So these are allegedly those documents that apparently never existed. [00:40:27] And so very troubling. [00:40:29] I did just talk to Chairman Comer, and we are sending in the next hour or so a preservation of documents request to the CIA. [00:40:37] I have calls into the White House, to the director of the CIA himself. [00:40:40] And so obviously, as this develops, we'll keep everyone up to date. [00:40:43] But strange times we're living in, that's for sure. [00:40:46] Does the CIA have jurisdiction to go into. [00:40:49] Gabbard's office like that and take documentation? [00:40:54] Well, the CIA does not have jurisdiction to work against an executive order by the president. [00:40:59] And so the fact that someone did this when the president is out of country, from what I gather, I believe that Director Radcliffe is with him. [00:41:07] And so this seems like it was an internal coup, to be honest. [00:41:13] So your thoughts, Lindsay. [00:41:15] Well, that's very contradictory. [00:41:18] I would wonder if that. [00:41:19] One of those, either her tweet or that video was AI or something, if she's going to completely deny what she said, you can see her saying it on video. [00:41:27] That's really bizarre. [00:41:28] But yeah, Tulsi Gabbard is director of national intelligence. [00:41:32] So the CIA handles foreign threats. [00:41:36] So they would not be the ones rating the director of national intelligence because she's essentially their boss. [00:41:41] So that doesn't make any sense at all. [00:41:43] I mean, that's very bizarre. [00:41:44] That would probably be a special prosecutor to go in to do something like that to collect files. [00:41:49] I don't think it would be. [00:41:50] The CIA staff going in and raiding Tulsi Cabbard's office. [00:41:54] This is a bizarre thing that she would deny saying it when it's clear she's on camera saying it. [00:41:58] So that's a very confusing situation. [00:42:02] Don't know what to make of it. [00:42:04] Yeah, I don't really either because it's just sort of one of those things where, like, someone was saying that the raid actually did, like, there was some sort of raid, but it was months ago or something to that effect. [00:42:14] So this is sort of the ongoing debacle on social media is whether or not this raid occurred. [00:42:20] But I believe Tulsi's spokesperson actually put out something. [00:42:24] I don't think we have it to put on the screen, but I sent it to a few in our group. [00:42:29] Let's see what she said. [00:42:31] Or no, her Olivia Coleman, the press secretary for Tulsi Gabbard, confirmed that it's false and the CIA did not raid her office. [00:42:38] So that was. [00:42:39] Yeah, the CIA has no jurisdiction to do that. [00:42:43] So that is a really bizarre thing. [00:42:46] The whole thing seems extremely bizarre and hopefully it will get figured out in the coming days. [00:42:50] But definitely, Anna Paulina Luna on camera saying that. [00:42:56] Something's really off here. [00:42:57] I'm not sure what it is, but it doesn't add up. [00:43:00] I'll have to stay on top of it. [00:43:01] What are your final thoughts, though, on just like the declassification of all these documents, the JFK files, the MKUltra stuff? [00:43:08] Do you think we're ultimately going to get to the bottom of those files, or is there going to be just a never ending sort of battle between these, you know, the deep state, if you will, kicking the can down the road and trying to prevent the release of all this information? [00:43:24] The fact that they have not been released yet is still kind of astonishing. [00:43:29] I think people just have to keep pushing and speaking up and demanding that they're released. [00:43:33] The fact that they have not been after the president called for them to be declassified is outrageous. [00:43:39] I think that. [00:43:39] The only reason that they'd be withheld is it could cause more conflict with other countries or if there was involvement there. [00:43:48] So I don't know. [00:43:50] I guess they think that maybe people aren't ready to learn about the CIA's involvement in JFK's assassination. [00:43:58] That could definitely hinder any release. [00:44:01] So that makes sense. [00:44:02] But who knows? [00:44:04] Time will tell. [00:44:04] Hopefully, we'll get the answers we need. [00:44:06] But, you know, it's CIA is definitely one of the most interesting organizations. [00:44:13] And Not far from corruption. [00:44:17] Well, I am so grateful that you took the time to join us today, and I look forward to having you back on the program. [00:44:22] It's so good to see you, Lindsay. [00:44:24] Oh, good to see you too. [00:44:25] Thank you. [00:44:26] Where they can go to follow the incredible work that you do going forward, and just, you know, what can we expect from Lindsay going forward? [00:44:34] Well, the only place I post now is on X, but I haven't posted in a minute since my husband passed away last year. [00:44:42] I took a little bit of sabbatical and My first step back into the water since that happened is speaking with you today. [00:44:49] So, thank you for having me on, Heather. [00:44:50] I really appreciate it. [00:44:52] I'm honored. [00:44:54] We'll get you back on here. [00:44:56] Thanks, Lindsay. [00:44:57] Thank you. [00:45:00] Lindsay is incredible, and I 100% look forward to having her back on the program. [00:45:06] If you guys followed her work in the beginning, she was one of the people that broke the story on the Twitter files when Elon Musk started dropping all that information. [00:45:14] She was one of the incredible journalists filtering through. [00:45:17] The tons and tons of files and releasing them out over on X. [00:45:22] The last thing we have for you guys today is an interview our own White House correspondent, Kara Castronova, did on the situation in Iran with General Flynn. [00:45:32] She did this a few days ago. [00:45:34] He held an event. [00:45:35] So we're going to go ahead and play that for you guys today. [00:45:37] And then after that, we will see you tomorrow. [00:45:39] Take a listen. [00:45:41] The best plan on any battlefield gives you the most options up to the last possible minute. [00:45:47] We're not going to resolve this from the sky. [00:45:49] We're not going to resolve this from the sea. [00:45:51] The only way to resolve it is on land. [00:45:54] It's the only way. [00:45:55] Tonight's event we held specifically to talk about the situation in Iran. [00:46:00] And I wanted to invite as many ambassadors that wanted to attend. [00:46:04] And we have over 60 ambassadors, I think 62 ambassadors from all over the world, to include Russia, China, some of the big powers, India, and then Africa, all over Asia, South America, Europe. [00:46:19] It's fascinating because what I wanted to hear from them, and we just had a session inside prior to the celebration that we're having, was I wanted to hear from them what are their concerns about the consequences to their nations about what's happening in Iran, in the Persian Gulf, Straits of Hormuz, the oil, energy, everything. [00:46:42] And what I found is a lot of concern about the impacts to their nations, and they feel like they don't have a say. [00:46:52] That's a very important thing from our country's perspective. [00:46:57] I said very matter of factly in there, there's no way in the world that we can allow a nation to build a nuclear weapon and continue to say death to America. [00:47:08] We just can't allow that. [00:47:09] So, how we go about that, where we're at right now, it's like it doesn't make any difference if people agree with the war or not. [00:47:18] Now we have to deal with the situation that we have right here. [00:47:21] And that was a part of the conversation. [00:47:24] And I was soliciting ideas from them about what it is that they. [00:47:28] Think we should be doing. [00:47:30] So fascinating, and I think from my perspective to try to sway some of the ideas about what's going on in America. [00:47:38] I mean, I have a big platform, and I'm going to use it. [00:47:41] And my platform is writing primarily, but also speaking. [00:47:44] And I go around the country. [00:47:47] I've been to six or seven states in the last week and a half. [00:47:52] Okay, as far out west as Iowa and North Carolina and Delaware, up in New York for an event, great event. [00:48:01] And what I'm finding is, I'm finding people are very concerned about this war and the clarity that Americans want, I want it, as to where's this thing going. === Iranian Nuclear Program (10:36) === [00:48:12] And like I said, I do believe that we cannot allow any nation on the planet to scream death to America and try to build a nuclear bomb. [00:48:21] That just isn't going to happen. [00:48:23] And we shouldn't allow that to happen. [00:48:25] How we resolve that, you know, I don't know. [00:48:28] That remains to be seen. [00:48:29] And the administration, I know, is working through all that. [00:48:33] President Trump said we got to get the nuclear material. [00:48:35] What does he mean by that? [00:48:36] That was something he said. [00:48:38] That's a big ask. [00:48:40] Okay, so President Trump is watching this. [00:48:43] That's a huge ask to get the nuclear material. [00:48:45] I mean, you know, that's what, every bit of uranium, the metals that create the weapon systems. [00:48:53] I mean, that's a big ask, big ask. [00:48:55] So, in order to get that, and I know what that would take, I know what planning and what conditions and what criteria you would need in order to achieve that kind of a task. [00:49:05] That's a very big task. [00:49:06] That's a huge task. [00:49:08] Huge ask in a time where the United States of America is dealing with rising energy prices, rising food prices. [00:49:18] I think the turn, the change has got to be looking at how this administration can kind of bring some things back home here. [00:49:29] At the same time, not lose any more national prestige. [00:49:34] I don't want America to lose any prestige. [00:49:37] We just fought 20 years, two wars. [00:49:40] One war, really, but two conflicts in the Middle East and Central Asia. [00:49:43] President Trump specifically said the uranium. [00:49:46] We got to get the uranium. [00:49:47] So, what would that mean? [00:49:47] Do you think that Iran would just turn over the uranium? [00:49:50] I mean, uranium. [00:49:54] Or would they make a deal to turn it over? [00:49:56] Yeah, I think that that conversation has to be on the table, of course, but it's not uranium. [00:50:01] It's not just that. [00:50:02] It's everything. [00:50:03] There's so many components to a nuclear program. [00:50:08] And what we've got to look at is, to me, and again, focusing on. [00:50:15] On tactics, focusing on the each of what we need instead of looking at the broader picture and saying, how do we want to resolve this? [00:50:22] Because if the Iranian people are going to continue to have this regime in charge, because it kind of looks that way, you don't hear about any more protesters in Iran because 40,000, or I think it's twice that, were killed. [00:50:38] So the only way to solve Iran is if the Iranian people make the decision that they are going to sacrifice and go after this regime. [00:50:48] If they think that the American people or the American boots on the ground or however we're going to resolve this, we're not going to resolve this from the sky. [00:50:57] We're not going to resolve this from the sea. [00:50:59] The only way to resolve it is on land. [00:51:02] It's the only way. [00:51:03] And I can tell you that the American people, because I'm one of them, I mean, I'm a soldier who spent a lot of time in Afghanistan and Iraq and other places around the planet in the war on terrorism. [00:51:16] The Iranian regime and the IRGC is a terrorist organization. [00:51:21] So, How do we deal with that? [00:51:24] And if it's just the United States of America that is in this fight, because it sort of feels that way, you know, we want a coalition of others, but it has to be done diplomatically. [00:51:34] Because if we try to think, if we think that we're going to go into a country, Iran now is the size of Germany, France, and Spain combined and has 90 million people. [00:51:44] Okay? [00:51:44] So think about that. [00:51:46] It's the size of half of Europe. [00:51:49] Massive, massive geography, massive capabilities. [00:51:53] And frankly, they've been preparing for 47 years. [00:51:57] We use the number 47. [00:51:59] This has been going on for 47 years, and Trump is finally the first president to do something about it. [00:52:03] And I agree that something needed to be done. [00:52:07] But they've also been preparing. [00:52:10] So that's what we have to keep in mind. [00:52:12] This is not just some easy kill the Ayatollah and these guys are going to roll over. [00:52:17] No way. [00:52:18] This is a very determined, couple of thousand year old empire that has gone through its own ups and downs and fits and starts. [00:52:27] But in their DNA, they're not about to give up. [00:52:31] The IRGC is not about to give up. [00:52:33] Do you think it's a good thing? [00:52:35] Yeah. [00:52:35] Do you think, General Flynn, something President Trump said was they need weapons. [00:52:40] He was sort of insinuating that we could get them weapons, trying to interpret what he meant by that. [00:52:46] Do you think that's a good idea? [00:52:47] Yeah. [00:52:47] I mean, I do think that the Iranian people need some type of help. [00:52:53] They need help. [00:52:54] So whether that's done through covert means, it's done through You know, some type of supplying of the people of Iran to help them fight themselves. [00:53:04] Because they will fight and they will go after this regime, but they can't do it with sticks and rocks, right? [00:53:11] And like I said, and we know everybody's been saying this number, you know, 40,000, I think it's more like 80, maybe to 100,000 people that they have brutally murdered. [00:53:21] And it keeps happening every single day. [00:53:23] So, yeah, should we be providing the Iranian people through some of these surrogates? [00:53:29] Sure, I do. [00:53:29] I actually do. [00:53:31] Because I know the Iranian people are determined people and they will fight this regime. [00:53:35] They will not give up on this regime, but they need to know that the world is behind them. [00:53:40] We have 62 ambassadors, so there's only like 184 countries on the planet. [00:53:46] Most of them, a third of them, don't have ambassadors. [00:53:48] We have a third of the world in here. [00:53:50] So they're concerned because they want to be part of the conversation, they want to help, and they want to stay aligned to the United States of America. [00:54:00] So they would be willing. [00:54:02] To help out with things like that, right? [00:54:05] Instead of America kind of right now, it's like, you know, we're in a big argument with the rest of the world, I feel. [00:54:13] I feel it. [00:54:13] What is the rest of the world saying right now overall? [00:54:15] Like, what's the consensus? [00:54:16] You're talking to a lot of ambassadors. [00:54:18] Like you said, there's 68 here. [00:54:19] What is the consensus on this war right now, and what are their thoughts? [00:54:22] Yeah, the consensus, at least in this room, and I asked that question, and I got all hands raised because one of the ambassadors from Africa was talking about the price of diesel fuel. [00:54:35] In their country, and it's doubled, and they can't afford the current price prior to the war. [00:54:43] So, and they're now looking at even higher prices for not just fuel but food. [00:54:50] So, the concern, you know, and I'm just speaking for a couple hours that we've been spending here talking with these ambassadors, they're really concerned about the cost of this because it's not just the rise of gas here in the United States of America, it's the whole world that's affected. [00:55:13] The oil coming out of the Persian Gulf. [00:55:15] It's affecting the markets everywhere. [00:55:18] So I think we've got to, you know, we can't put a happy face on this. [00:55:22] We've got to put a very serious face on this. [00:55:24] And we have to come up with some very serious solutions. [00:55:26] And we have to come up with them fairly quickly. [00:55:29] And there's got to be an exit strategy. [00:55:31] Our military, the men and women in our military, are unbelievable. [00:55:34] They're totally amazing. [00:55:36] You know, they can accomplish any mission that they're given. [00:55:39] So, but that's not what solves wars. [00:55:43] It's not what ends wars. [00:55:45] Develop solutions, we've got to do this politically, diplomatically, economically. [00:55:50] And I know that those conversations are being had because President Trump's very visible about those. [00:55:57] He's out there every day saying something about the situation. [00:56:02] But we also, in this country, we also have a whole bunch of people that want to turn back to this country and say, okay, I got problems with our infrastructure, I got problems with the price of food. [00:56:13] So if those problems are happening here, At what point does somebody say, we better figure out a way out of this thing? [00:56:20] I heard President Trump watches Lindell TV. [00:56:23] What should, if you were advising the president, what would you tell him right now? [00:56:26] Yeah, I think President Trump needs to take a step back. [00:56:32] And I think he needs to look for other people to, outsiders, and maybe a different conversation. [00:56:39] Because you've got to be careful when you get people around you. [00:56:41] And there's good people, they're all good people. [00:56:43] I know, and he's getting good advice. [00:56:46] But I think it's the type of advice that he needs to say, Okay, how do we get out of this? [00:56:52] How does this end? [00:56:53] You know, he's, you know, to change from a military operation to a humanitarian operation, but yet we still have people engaging each other, you know, with weapon systems. [00:57:05] So it doesn't feel like we're moving to a humanitarian assistance operation. [00:57:10] And I just don't see it. [00:57:13] So I think what he's got to do is he's got to look at what he's doing and he's got to say, okay, look at an alternative. [00:57:23] Set of options. [00:57:25] Like some guys will call it a plan B. [00:57:28] But look at an alternative set of options. [00:57:30] If you don't like them, fine, throw them out. [00:57:33] But really examine what is an alternative set of options. [00:57:36] Because the last thing that I'd say, Kara, and I appreciate Lindell TV and appreciate you and what you do, you know, it's not just the Middle East. [00:57:45] It's not just Iran. [00:57:46] It's not just the Straits of Hormuz. [00:57:48] It's Crimea. [00:57:49] It's Eastern Europe. [00:57:51] It's the Black Sea. [00:57:52] It's the Panama Canal. [00:57:55] It's what's happening in the South China Sea. [00:57:58] I mean, all these things are converging. [00:58:02] And we are in the third decade of the 21st century. [00:58:05] And I feel like we're moving towards a larger conflict. [00:58:10] That's what I feel like. [00:58:11] Because, you know, when you start to talk about the great powers, right? [00:58:14] Russia, China, India, you know, and some others, but those four principally in the United States of America, you know, they're all looking at each other and they're all talking to each other. [00:58:23] Are we talking to. [00:58:25] They're all talking to each other, but. [00:58:28] America is the greatest country on earth. [00:58:30] That was another great interview from Kara with General Flynn. [00:58:33] I just want to point out did you notice all the ladies, including Kara, have the black on with the red lipstick today? [00:58:39] I'm just saying, some of the best ladies in media have great taste. [00:58:43] So, you're going to find all of that, all of these great women right here on Lindell TV, all the great information. === Global Conflict Ahead (00:29) === [00:58:49] We have another packed show tomorrow on Georgia election fraud. [00:58:54] So, you're not going to want to miss it. [00:58:55] We'll see you tomorrow. [00:58:56] You ever see this guy with the pillows on Fox? [00:59:01] My pillow guy, Mike Lindell. [00:59:06] He is the greatest. [00:59:08] My pillow guy, Mike Lindell. [00:59:15] And he's been with us right from the beginning.