The Lindell Report - Mike Lindell - The Mike Lindell Show- THE OVER PRESCRIPTION OF AMERICA & MAHA
Aired: 2026-05-06
Duration: 55:47


=== Overmedication and Political Funding (15:01) ===

[00:00:00]  Medical industry from the vaccines to the birth controls, the dangers of those.
[00:00:06]  But now SSRIs are the big ones.
[00:00:09]  And we have a headline here, if we can put that on the screen, where the Trump admin and the Health and Human Services moves to curb the over medicalization on antidepressants.
[00:00:24]  And so, antidepressants and some of these drugs that they're prescribing young kids is something that really hits.
[00:00:31]  Close to home, because back when I was in high school, I actually had my local doctor, my pediatrician, want to prescribe me Adderall.
[00:00:42]  And I took it for a little while, but ended up stopping taking it.
[00:00:45]  A personal choice, I chose to stop taking it.
[00:00:47]  But later on, years later, there were all these studies coming out suggesting that long term usage of that very medication my doctor had put me on could lead to things like psychosis.
[00:00:59]  So that intuition I had to not want to take those things.
[00:01:03]  Prove to be effective in the long run, but there's so many people out there today being put on some of these drugs.
[00:01:09]  So you're not going to want to go anywhere for today's episodes.
[00:01:12]  We have a lot of interviews that Kara did that are going to be very, very important for you to share with your friends and family.
[00:01:19]  If you or someone you know is being encouraged to take antidepressants or is on antidepressants, it's going to be a fountain of information you're not going to want to miss.
[00:01:30]  But joining us now to discuss some of the ongoing, you know, Maha related situations down there on.
[00:01:37]  The Hill is our very own Allison Steinberg with the latest.
[00:01:43]  Hi, Heather.
[00:01:43]  Good to see you.
[00:01:45]  Welcome back, too.
[00:01:46]  It's been a long time.
[00:01:47]  I feel like we haven't seen you in forever.
[00:01:49]  Yeah, I know.
[00:01:50]  I was on a nice, much needed vacation getting vitamin C, which they tell you the sun is bad, but it's actually good.
[00:01:56]  I got quite a bit of it and I'm feeling great.
[00:01:59]  Well, glad to hear it.
[00:02:00]  You have a nice tan, too.
[00:02:01]  So you're looking great as well.
[00:02:03]  Yes, as far as health related topics on the Hill, there's not much happening on the Hill.
[00:02:08]  I should preface it by saying, They're out on yet another recess.
[00:02:12]  I know we did talk about their two week Easter vacation they just took.
[00:02:16]  So this is the third week off now, and within a month, which is just laughable considering the fact that ICE and Border Patrol still aren't funded.
[00:02:26]  That is obviously should be a top priority for them when they get back.
[00:02:31]  And I think it will be.
[00:02:32]  But I also am concerned about the fact that they didn't, you know, I think morally they should have stayed back from this.
[00:02:40]  Week off to work to get ICE and Border Patrol funded right before they left for this week long vacation.
[00:02:46]  They did successfully fund the bulk of DHS through the standard appropriations process, but because Democrats have been so difficult this entire time resisting and pushing back, demanding reforms to ICE and Border Patrol, they had to take this now two pronged approach in order to get the agencies funded.
[00:03:04]  So now, because ICE and Border Patrol were left out of the DHS funding bill, that You know, funds the bulk of DHS.
[00:03:12]  They're having to fund ICE and Border Patrol through a reconciliation process, which is going to take weeks to do.
[00:03:17]  They're actually saying the projected timeline in which they're going to get that done is June 1st.
[00:03:22]  So, all that to say, why on earth did they take this yet another week long break when they could have stayed back and actually gotten this reconciliation bill cranked out much sooner than June 1st?
[00:03:35]  It really is a slap in the face to Americans who want safer cities, who want mass deportations.
[00:03:42]  And to ICE agents, more importantly, and their families who have gone now over 70 days without a paycheck.
[00:03:48]  So, very, very upsetting to see this continue to drag out, Heather.
[00:03:53]  And so, there's no telling when this is going to come to an end here.
[00:03:56]  I just don't understand.
[00:03:58]  Like, are there any lawsuits or anything like that trying to force them back into work?
[00:04:02]  I just don't understand how this could possibly be legal given the fact that they're paid for by tax dollars, they're thwarting efforts to keep our country safe, they're creating mass chaos for those families that haven't gotten paid.
[00:04:17]  I don't know what I would do if I didn't get paid in 70 days.
[00:04:20]  Like, most Americans can't afford to go 70 days, or you're not making your mortgage payment or your rent payment, you can't put food on the table for a family.
[00:04:28]  Like, I just don't know what these people are doing to get by.
[00:04:32]  And yet, here we have all these members of Congress that are in a position that I don't think people realize.
[00:04:39]  Like, it really is, to some extent, a noble position to be a member of Congress.
[00:04:45]  And they're not taking that seriously.
[00:04:47]  I mean, the change that they can make and the impact that they can have on the lives of Americans, whether it's through MAHA or through DHS funding and making our streets safer and things like that, like, it is a really big job.
[00:04:59]  And it just seems like what we're seeing now from our members of Congress is basically the dereliction of duty.
[00:05:06]  Yeah, it certainly does seem that way.
[00:05:08]  And I think that's a proper way of wording it, too, because, you know, never before has there been such contention about funding a critical agency like DHS.
[00:05:19]  It's only become so politicized today because of Trump, because of the Democrats in Congress who literally suffer from Trump derangement syndrome.
[00:05:26]  And I know we hear that all the time, but it's true.
[00:05:27]  Like, that is literally the reason why they can't just come to the table and agree to fund this critical agency that keeps our country safe.
[00:05:34]  It's a national security issue, it shouldn't be controversial.
[00:05:38]  Yet, Democrats are demanding this ridiculous list of reforms that are completely unprecedented.
[00:05:43]  I mean, ICE has never operated in the way in which Democrats are demanding they do.
[00:05:49]  And so, in turn, now we have a massive lapse in funding for them, and our country and our citizens are put at risk because obviously, when you go 70 plus days without a paycheck, morale is going to be way down.
[00:06:00]  I mean, what is the incentive for them to keep going, right?
[00:06:03]  I mean, eventually, yes, once this gets funded and they get everything back in line, they will get paid.
[00:06:09]  Mind you, I do want to note that when they go through this reconciliation process, assuming they are able to do it successfully, then ICE and Border Patrol will be funded for the next three years.
[00:06:19]  So we will not have to endure anything like this again for the duration of Trump's presidency.
[00:06:25]  But the fact that we've had to even go about this in this roundabout way through reconciliation just to bypass the Democrats' mental illness and insanity, it's totally unprecedented.
[00:06:39]  It's totally wrong.
[00:06:40]  And quite frankly, it sets a very dangerous precedent for the future.
[00:06:43]  Of having to take this two pronged approach to get a critical agency funded.
[00:06:48]  It just shouldn't happen.
[00:06:49]  And the fact that this is now normalized under the current Democrats, which are basically communists, it's just wrong.
[00:06:57]  And it's so far away from how the founding fathers intended for Congress to run.
[00:07:01]  They did not intend for there to be such gridlock.
[00:07:05]  Yes, in certain regards, they did.
[00:07:07]  But as far as funding a critical agency like DHS, that is not how it was ever intended.
[00:07:11]  And they've taken it to a whole nother level.
[00:07:13]  So it's just totally unacceptable.
[00:07:15]  We have to do better, I think.
[00:07:17]  Yeah, we absolutely do.
[00:07:18]  And I really hope some of those Democrats suffering from mental illness consider watching the rest of this show because there's going to be some information that I really, truly think they'll benefit from.
[00:07:27]  And I'd be curious to know how many of them are on the SSRI.
[00:07:31]  Maybe that's it.
[00:07:32]  Maybe I didn't think about that, Heather.
[00:07:34]  Maybe they're totally over medicated.
[00:07:36]  I mean, we know they're all aligned with Big Pharma, pushing drugs, still fighting for the COVID shots.
[00:07:42]  By the way, I was actually at a Ron Johnson hearing last week where he's still like, Ron Johnson's amazing.
[00:07:47]  I just want to say he's one of the Few in the Senate, which there are not many of, but Ron Johnson is one of the good ones.
[00:07:53]  He literally said he is only still in the Senate because he's dedicating the rest of his life to exposing the corruption surrounding the COVID scam.
[00:08:02]  He continues to hold hearings on it.
[00:08:04]  He continues to highlight, you know, people who have been horribly affected by the COVID shot.
[00:08:09]  He continues to highlight the stories that have been swept under the rug, the fact that, you know, COVID, that Biden officials knew the COVID shot was deadly and they continued to push it out anyway.
[00:08:20]  And so thank you to Ron Johnson for being one of the few good ones in the Senate.
[00:08:24]  But all of that to say, There are so many senators who are actively pushing back against that.
[00:08:29]  I mean, Richard Blumenthal, a Democrat, obviously, was in that room while Ron Johnson was putting out this bombshell information, just continuing to carry on with the safe and effective narrative.
[00:08:40]  He actually even went so far as to say that he strongly dislikes Trump and he disagrees with him on literally everything.
[00:08:46]  But the one thing he wants to give Trump credit for is his incredible work on Operation Warp Speed.
[00:08:51]  So these deranged Democrats are so bought into the big pharma narrative, the safe and effective narrative that vaccines save lives.
[00:09:00]  And so I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if many of them were overly medicated themselves.
[00:09:06]  I think that would actually be a justified explanation for why they act the way they do.
[00:09:11]  They do.
[00:09:11]  I mean, and money is a huge part of it.
[00:09:14]  I mean, the big pharma companies that are buying advertising dollars on a lot of the legacy media, this is why the legacy media is not then reporting on all the harmful side effects of things like SSRIs and the vaccines and things of that nature, because you have companies like Pfizer who's manufacturing the drugs, manufacturing the vaccines.
[00:09:34]  Buying millions, probably billions of dollars in advertising for other things.
[00:09:40]  And what a friend of mine had pointed out, he's like, you know, when you see those commercials on TV for these drugs and it lists all the side effects, they're not actually trying to sell you that drug.
[00:09:49]  What they're doing is they're buying the silence of the news networks.
[00:09:53]  Because when you pay them enough to promote these drugs, right?
[00:09:59]  Then when something nefarious with one of their products comes out, The media is not going to go and make Pfizer look bad, right?
[00:10:07]  They're going to make them, they're just going to sweep it under the rug.
[00:10:09]  And that's kind of what's happened over the years.
[00:10:12]  And, you know, I'll never forget during COVID, ironically, when I realized Facebook, remember when they started partnering with all the fact checkers and they were fact checking medical misinformation?
[00:10:25]  Well, one of the guys, I think it was Reuters, Thomson Reuters, partnered with Facebook to fact check medical misinformation.
[00:10:36]  And the president, I believe it was the president of Reuters sat on the board for Pfizer.
[00:10:43]  Imagine.
[00:10:44]  So I'm like, so anytime you say, hey, hydroxychloroquine cures COVID, you don't need a vaccine.
[00:10:52]  Fact checking, oh, that's misinformation by the same people that were allied with Pfizer, essentially.
[00:10:59]  It is just so wrong.
[00:11:00]  And I wish more people understood that these trusted news outlets that they tune into every night to get their reliable information is.
[00:11:10]  Is not actually so reliable and not actually so trustworthy because, to your point, they're all bought off by the big pharma companies.
[00:11:15]  Because if you spend any moment of the day watching these outlets, you'll see the pharma commercials running on repeat.
[00:11:22]  I mean, it's like the only advertiser on many of these news outlets.
[00:11:27]  So I think that in and of itself is very telling.
[00:11:30]  I think it goes to show why even conservative outlets like Fox News won't criticize the COVID shots.
[00:11:36]  I mean, it's sad.
[00:11:38]  Really, it's very deceiving because there's a lot of.
[00:11:41]  Older conservatives, some might call them boomers, but they're still conservatives.
[00:11:45]  I think they have the right, ultimately, they want to hear the news.
[00:11:54]  They want to have a trusted source they can go to, but then they're actually just lied to and they believe whatever they hear on Fox News and then they aren't properly informed, which is why I think so many of the older people were coerced into getting that shot because they never actually heard the truth about it.
[00:12:09]  So it would have been nice if some of those hosts could have actually spoken up about it or been brave enough to expose it for what it was.
[00:12:16]  They never did that.
[00:12:16]  They were silent about it.
[00:12:18]  And I think silence is compliance.
[00:12:21]  And ultimately, we all need to be standing up and pushing back against the ongoing efforts to literally poison us, weaken us, and make us sick because that is what they're doing.
[00:12:30]  It's been going on for years and it's continuing to worsen.
[00:12:33]  And we're seeing that play out right now.
[00:12:34]  There's so many people who are so sick, you know, massive uptick in autism, autoimmune diseases, unknown random illnesses that we've never seen before.
[00:12:45]  Fertility.
[00:12:46]  Exactly.
[00:12:47]  And it's a It's absolutely directly correlated to all of these drugs that people are just inundated with.
[00:12:51]  I mean, I literally went to a doctor because I didn't feel well one time and I left with a cocktail of like five different drugs.
[00:12:58]  They wanted me on antidepressants, they wanted me on Adderall, they wanted me on sleeping drugs.
[00:13:03]  So it's like you spend five minutes with one of these doctors and you leave with a handful of different medications, and then that's just supposed to cure you and you're not supposed to ask any questions.
[00:13:13]  It's so insane to me, Heather.
[00:13:15]  I just can't even believe it.
[00:13:17]  No, it is.
[00:13:18]  And it's almost like we're having to unlearn everything we learned because I remember as a kid, You know, when I would hear things or more like a teenager, when I would hear things like holistic and acupuncture and naturopathy and all this other stuff, I'd be like, oh, that's crazy.
[00:13:31]  Like, you know, these people are like, you know, Amish or something, right?
[00:13:35]  They're just not with the times because they don't believe in the guys with the white coats giving you the prescription, right?
[00:13:41]  Exactly.
[00:13:42]  It's so reversed now where I'm like, wow, like it's really the guys in the white coats, like writing all these prescriptions are basically no different in my mind than the narco terrorists offering heroin and.
[00:13:55]  Fentanyl in the black market because half of the drugs that they are prescribing to people are literally killing them.
[00:14:03]  Like, it's not even an assumption, it is a fact.
[00:14:06]  Like, when these COVID vaccines went out, they were deadly, and what people didn't know actually killed them, which is why I'm so grateful to work for Lindell TV, where we're allowed to talk about these subjects.
[00:14:17]  We're allowed to present people with real life saving information, and we're not bought out by the pharmaceutical companies.
[00:14:25]  So, A final question, Allison, is just like when did you hit that point in your life where you sort of realized that the medical industry and the way that it's currently operating that there was something fundamentally wrong?
[00:14:39]  Wow, that's a good question because, like I said, I blindly did take some of those drugs that I was given by a medical professional and realized after years of taking them that I actually felt worse than I did before I started.
[00:14:51]  So, you know, I found myself on these antidepressants, the Adderall, I wasn't sleeping well, and they just wanted to throw more drugs at me.
[00:14:58]  And my mom's actually a nurse, very aligned with Big Pharma.

=== Eye-Opening Supermarket Realities (03:35) ===

[00:15:01]  And she just told me to, you know, suppress my thoughts and feelings that it was in my head that I just probably needed to change up my medications, take something new, add something else to the mix.
[00:15:10]  And that just seemed really wrong to me.
[00:15:12]  I was always very apprehensive about, you know, relying on a medication to get through a day in my life, right?
[00:15:19]  That just seems very odd to me.
[00:15:21]  It always has.
[00:15:22]  And so finally, one day I was just like, you know what?
[00:15:24]  I'm not doing this anymore.
[00:15:25]  I don't care what the doctor says I'm supposed to do.
[00:15:27]  I'm just going to cut out all of these medications completely, which.
[00:15:30]  Is highly advised against.
[00:15:31]  Typically, you're supposed to wean off of them because they really do cause a chemical imbalance and there can be some very serious side effects for just cutting it off cold turkey.
[00:15:39]  But I did that and I didn't feel great immediately.
[00:15:42]  But within a week or so, everything balanced back out and I actually started feeling so much better.
[00:15:46]  I started sleeping better.
[00:15:47]  I started feeling human again because for a while I didn't.
[00:15:51]  And it was very eye opening.
[00:15:53]  I just realized, wow, like I thought back to the initial consultation thinking, you know, this doctor literally spent five minutes with me and they somehow have determined that I need all of these different medications when now I'm not on any of them and I feel the best I ever had.
[00:16:06]  So ultimately, I think that was sort of my initial wake up call.
[00:16:10]  Then COVID.
[00:16:11]  Happened, and I have always just been very skeptical of the government and the fact that they tried to force that shot onto all of us so heavily.
[00:16:19]  I mean, incentives like free burgers and fries, free ice cream, Uber rides, strip club visits.
[00:16:28]  You're doing it too, Allison.
[00:16:31]  Oh my gosh.
[00:16:32]  I was at the supermarket the other day, and they were offering discounted groceries to get a flu shot.
[00:16:39]  Oh my gosh.
[00:16:40]  This is my local supermarket.
[00:16:43]  It just doesn't end.
[00:16:44]  And so the fact that they are pushing so relentlessly to try to get you to take a totally experimental shot, mind you, the COVID one had only been out for a matter of months before they deemed it safe and effective.
[00:16:58]  I'm just like, okay, well, if nothing else, let me just see how things play out for the next year or two before I inject myself with this poison.
[00:17:06]  But I'm probably never going to.
[00:17:07]  And lo and behold, I never did.
[00:17:09]  And not a day goes by that I don't regret that.
[00:17:11]  I don't think people who got it can say the same.
[00:17:14]  So, it's been a very eye opening experience.
[00:17:17]  Obviously, along the way, I've learned so much more about the nefarious agenda of Big Pharma and all of those associated.
[00:17:24]  And so now I'm just very skeptical.
[00:17:25]  And then you mentioned the Amish community.
[00:17:27]  You look to the Amish, they don't do any of these vaccines.
[00:17:30]  They don't participate in any of this programming that we're subjected to.
[00:17:34]  And guess what?
[00:17:35]  They have like the healthiest population on the planet.
[00:17:38]  They have virtually zero illnesses, they have zero autism.
[00:17:42]  So, I think the fact that they are thriving.
[00:17:45]  And they're living off the land and not taking these pharmaceuticals is very telling and probably should serve as a good model for us here in the US to bypass all of these toxins whenever, absolutely whenever possible.
[00:18:01]  Well, thank you so much for all the incredible work you're doing there on the Hill and for sharing that, you know, a little bit of your testimony because there's a lot of people going through it that haven't, you know, had that wake up call yet.
[00:18:11]  So I just appreciate you sharing all of that with us, Allison.
[00:18:15]  Absolutely.
[00:18:16]  Thanks so much, Heather.
[00:18:17]  Thank you.
[00:18:18]  All right.
[00:18:18]  We're going to take a quick break.
[00:18:19]  And when we come back, we're going to cover some really important interviews Kara Castronova did at that MAHA event earlier in the week.
[00:18:27]  You're not going to want to miss this.
[00:18:28]  It's very important information.
[00:18:30]  We'll be right back.
[00:18:36]  Mike Lindell here.

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[00:21:49]  Really important information we're about to unpack.
[00:21:52]  And this has to do with the dangers of SSRIs, which so many Americans across the country are being told to take these days, but they're never really truly told about the dangers and the risks associated.
[00:22:04]  And before we go into that, I just want to remind everyone that no matter what it is you're going through on the health side of things, or whether it's a mental health issue, anxiety, depression, things like that, the absolute most important medicine.
[00:22:18]  Is faith.
[00:22:19]  And I want to just read Proverbs 17, 22 real quick.
[00:22:23]  It says, A healing heart is good medicine, but a crushed spirit dries up the bones.
[00:22:28]  So, no matter what you're going through, the important thing to remember is that God will provide a way through it and he'll direct you to information that can change your life and heal you inside and out.
[00:22:39]  So, moving right into the topic, which is a big one, right?
[00:22:43]  The SSRIs.
[00:22:45]  I want to play an interview Kara Castronova did with a veteran named Derek. Blumkey.
[00:22:50]  And as you know, there used to be that challenge that went around trying to raise awareness for veterans, the 22 push up challenge, because they said 22 veterans a day were committing suicide.
[00:23:00]  So, this is a very big, big issue that's near and dear to my heart.
[00:23:05]  And again, I want to stress the most important thing you can do for your mental health is get closer to Jesus.
[00:23:10]  But let's take a listen to this really important interview that Kara Kastronova did on the over prescribing of the SSRIs, especially when it comes to our veterans.
[00:23:18]  Take a listen.
[00:23:19]  Hey, everybody.
[00:23:19]  Cara Castanova with Lindell TV here with Mr. Derek Blumke.
[00:23:24]  I hope I'm saying that right.
[00:23:25]  With the Grunt Style Foundation.
[00:23:27]  And he is an expert, a subject matter expert on the over medicalization and mental health crisis with United States veterans.
[00:23:34]  And you are a member of the armed forces yourself from the Air Force.
[00:23:38]  Air Force veterans served in Afghanistan, did a couple deployments overseas.
[00:23:41]  Thank you for your service.
[00:23:42]  And I know that mental health is a serious issue with veterans.
[00:23:45]  It's something that a lot of people don't talk about.
[00:23:47]  Can you tell us a little bit about that and how veterans are being over medicalized?
[00:23:52]  Well, right now, seven in 10 veterans being treated at the VA, so 70% of all veterans under VA care are prescribed a psychiatric drug, 30% are prescribed antidepressants.
[00:24:01]  All antidepressants have warnings for suicide risk.
[00:24:04]  Most psychotropics prescribed to veterans at the VA also have warnings for suicide risk or other severe adverse events.
[00:24:11]  We've got suicide rates that are the highest for any population, specifically our 18 to 34 year old veterans.
[00:24:18]  Rates that are double, nearly triple in some cases, depending on the population.
[00:24:23]  And so, where we're at is we are providing treatment to pretty much seven to 10 vets at the VA, and our suicide rates look like the growth chart of Facebook in its first 10 years.
[00:24:35]  That's not the outcomes we're looking for.
[00:24:37]  We're looking for happy families.
[00:24:39]  We're looking for people having quality of life and healthy lives.
[00:24:44]  And unfortunately, we're seeing veterans fall out of the workforce, increased disability rates.
[00:24:50]  A lot of things that we're exposed to in the military can result in lots of different illnesses and ailments.
[00:24:56]  But at the same time, we shouldn't be making people sicker by prescribing them one medication and then another medication to counteract the side effects of the first, and so on and so on, until we have 5, 10, 15, in some cases, 20.
[00:25:09]  Medications being prescribed at the same time.
[00:25:11]  Why are veterans committing suicide more?
[00:25:15]  I just said it right there.
[00:25:16]  Yeah, probably if we made our prescribing practice safer for veterans at the VA, we'd probably save 25% of all veteran suicide deaths.
[00:25:24]  Do you think it's being, or it's too many drugs?
[00:25:27]  Yeah, I mean, we've never studied the interactions of five medications at the same time, and yet we're seeing that regularly with a lot of patients at the VA.
[00:25:36]  And it's not just veterans, this is an American problem, it's a Western Hemisphere problem.
[00:25:43]  Veterans are again just the canaries in the coal mine for this issue, like we have been for many.
[00:25:49]  This is an indicator of a larger problem in America.
[00:25:52]  Something I found interesting when I looked up some of the wars, like the Iraq War and the Afghanistan War, was that more veterans actually committed suicide than that died in combat.
[00:26:01]  Over 155,000 veterans have taken their lives since 2001, and that's 21 times the number of people we've lost in combat during that same period.
[00:26:10]  That's insane.
[00:26:10]  That's crazy.
[00:26:11]  I know that it's always been a problem with veterans in general, but it seems like.
[00:26:14]  It's the more recent war.
[00:26:16]  So, the correlation you believe is the medication, the risks that they always have on the warning label that most people don't read that suicide, thinking about suicide or committing suicide could be an actual ramification of taking these medications.
[00:26:30]  Well, it's a gap in informed consent.
[00:26:32]  So, the doctors weren't properly trained in medical schools.
[00:26:35]  Many doctors coming out today have never heard of antidepressant withdrawal, which is a common experience.
[00:26:40]  Many people who go through that experience, 40% say those withdrawal episodes are severe, those symptoms severe.
[00:26:48]  And what we're seeing is just patients not being properly educated on the risk of the medications and not having off ramps to get off them once they get on them, being stuck on a medication, so antidepressants cause dependency, trapped on these medications for years when they wanted to stop.
[00:27:04]  And it's not an addiction because antidepressants are not addictive, but they do cause dependency.
[00:27:10]  And so if we can fix this, I think we can solve the suicide crisis for our entire country because it's not just veterans, it's all Americans.
[00:27:19]  Prescription rates go up, and we can see suicide rates following those increases in prescribing.
[00:27:24]  I have a lot of questions, but why do you think that veterans are more prone to anxiety, depression?
[00:27:33]  I know obviously why they would be more prone to PTSD, but those other things like depression.
[00:27:38]  Right.
[00:27:39]  Combat trauma is real.
[00:27:40]  That can't be minimized.
[00:27:41]  I mean, war is an unnatural thing, and someone experiencing that type of tragedy and loss and horror in times cannot be minimized, nor can you ignore the fact that.
[00:27:55]  Many of our troops were hit with IEDs or improvised explosive devices while in Iraq and Afghanistan.
[00:28:01]  And the brain getting hit by these blasts causes what we call traumatic brain injuries.
[00:28:06]  And the effects of those can be catastrophic for many people, especially when you're not treated.
[00:28:12]  And instead of getting physical therapy like you get for a knee injury, you do many of the same things with the brain.
[00:28:22]  And instead of doing those things, we're instead throwing pills at folks who don't have any efficacy to show these medications actually.
[00:28:30]  Treat brain injuries.
[00:28:31]  In fact, Welbutrin is a great example.
[00:28:35]  That medication is an antidepressant, it is contraindicated for people with brain injuries.
[00:28:40]  And I know a family who had their 22 year old son prescribed Welbutrin.
[00:28:44]  He had a mild brain injury and not long after killed himself.
[00:28:49]  Eight days and eight pills later, he took his own life and he was not suicidal when he walked in the door.
[00:28:55]  And so, if we are actually properly treating our troops and our families, We'll have the outcomes that we're looking for.
[00:29:03]  And the reality is, we just have to ask the right questions is what we're doing working?
[00:29:07]  The answer right now is no.
[00:29:09]  Is it more men that commit suicide, more men that are combat veterans?
[00:29:13]  It is.
[00:29:13]  The highest suicide rate are for 18 to 34 year old male veterans.
[00:29:18]  Female veterans is also high, and it's been increasing for all populations over the past many decades.
[00:29:23]  What is the solution?
[00:29:26]  Safer prescribing practices, safer, smarter prescribing practices.
[00:29:29]  When we're prescribing these medications, there are real risks that range from Suicide, sexual dysfunction, in some cases persistent and persist years after you stop taking the medication, violence.
[00:29:42]  Like, if we are treating firearms with such reverence and concern that we make sure we lock them up or make sure we keep them away from kids and we make sure people are properly trained, we need to have that same type of reverence towards treatments that can result in catastrophic outcomes.
[00:29:59]  This is interesting.
[00:30:00]  And anything else, anything that you want our audience to know, maybe people, veterans out there that are watching that are thinking about.
[00:30:08]  Taking on cytoplasms or seeing a medical health professional?
[00:30:12]  I'd say that the key argument and key part of this conversation is medications aren't bad, but we just need to be safer and smarter than we do so.
[00:30:21]  And so if you're looking for help, seek help and ask for help.
[00:30:25]  You can get a lot of treatment from psychotherapy.
[00:30:27]  We're seeing a lot of progress with psychedelics and ibogaine.
[00:30:31]  An executive order just came out of the White House just a week ago.
[00:30:33]  I think that could be helpful.
[00:30:35]  I've heard some profound experiences of people who have.
[00:30:40]  Used Ibogaine, and that is provided in a clinical environment with blood pressure monitoring, heart rate monitoring, and for stories of raging alcoholics.
[00:30:53]  One treatment and their cravings for alcohol are gone.
[00:30:56]  Is that approved here in the U.S. yet?
[00:30:59]  No, that's where the rescheduling of psychedelics, the opening of the door for research on these things.
[00:31:05]  We basically, under the Nixon administration, stopped all psychedelics because we were associating that with the Civil rights movement and kind of the hippie protest movements at the time.
[00:31:18]  And they thought they were killing that by killing this.
[00:31:22]  And what they did is, I think, also held back potential treatments for people that could have helped a lot of people.
[00:31:29]  Thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us today.
[00:31:30]  Where could people learn more about your work and more about this topic?
[00:31:34]  Go to gruntstylefoundation.org and you can learn all about psychedelics, alternative modalities, everything ranging from ibogaine to equine therapy.
[00:31:44]  And then also all of our work on over medicalization, over prescribing, and fixing the over prescribing epidemic facing our veteran community nationally.
[00:31:52]  Thank you so much.
[00:31:53]  Thank you very much.
[00:31:56]  Great interview there with a lot of great information.
[00:31:58]  I want to put his website up on the screen.
[00:32:00]  If you're a veteran, you know a veteran.
[00:32:03]  This is the website that he said you can go to and learn more about some of those treatments and the information coming out.
[00:32:10]  This is the kind of information that can truly save lives.
[00:32:12]  These pills, like I know he said, you know, prescriptions are not always bad, but some of them indeed are.
[00:32:19]  And we're going to get into that here in a little bit.
[00:32:20]  But I do want to also display on the screen the FDA.
[00:32:26]  The executive order that was passed that he mentioned the FDA accelerates action on treatment for serious mental illness.
[00:32:34]  Following executive order, President Trump on April 18th issued an executive order directing the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to accelerate access to treatments for patients with serious mental illness.
[00:32:47]  The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today announced a series of regulatory actions to support the development of serotonin 2A agonists and related products, a class of prescription altering psychedelic medications.
[00:33:00]  So that came after it was actually, believe it or not, Joe Rogan who got the president's attention on those issues.
[00:33:08]  We have a quick sound bite from the signing of that executive order.
[00:33:11]  We'll play for you now.
[00:33:13]  I want to tell everybody how this happened.
[00:33:16]  I sent President Trump some information.
[00:33:18]  We have a gigantic opiate problem in this country, obviously.
[00:33:22]  In 2024, more than 80,000 people died of overdoses.
[00:33:26]  It's a horrible number.
[00:33:28]  And there are more than 5 million people that are addicted to opiates right now in this country.
[00:33:33]  With one dose of Ibogaine, more than 80% of people are free of that addiction.
[00:33:38]  With two doses, it's more than 90%.
[00:33:41]  I sent him that information.
[00:33:43]  The text message came back sounds great.
[00:33:46]  Do you want FDA approval?
[00:33:48]  Let's do it.
[00:33:49]  It was literally that quick.
[00:33:53]  These drugs are illegal not because they're harmful, they're illegal because of the 1970 Controlled Substances Act that was passed by the Richard Nixon administration.
[00:34:03]  They did it to target the civil rights movement and the anti war movement.
[00:34:07]  It's not because these drugs harm people.
[00:34:09]  And for 56 years, we've lived under those terrible conditions.
[00:34:16]  We're free of that now.
[00:34:17]  We're free of that now, thanks to all these people that you see next to me, and thanks to President Trump.
[00:34:25]  So, there you have it.
[00:34:31]  So, that's one of the ongoing areas of research there to help treat and help not just veterans, but other people.
[00:34:38]  Suffering from things like addiction, mental illness.
[00:34:41]  But I want to take your attention to this headline that we have on a drug called Paxil.
[00:34:48]  Now, I learned of this drug through one of the interviews Kara did that we're going to play afterwards, but it's an SSRI.
[00:34:55]  And this headline read Judge kills lawsuit against infamous study that might have increased teen suicide.
[00:35:05]  Says a long criticized clinical trial claiming that the antidepressant Paxil is safe for teens.
[00:35:12]  Had already led to a $3 billion settlement in a federal guilty plea in 2012.
[00:35:18]  A war has been waged over two decades, both in the courts and in the pages of peer reviewed medical journals, over a controversial study that recommended the antidepressant Paxil as well tolerated and, quote, effective treatment for teens.
[00:35:35]  The USDOJ, in fact, charged Paxil's manufacturer, GlaxoSmithKline, with criminal liability, winning a guilty plea in a $3 billion settlement in 2012.
[00:35:46]  Over the risks that Paxil posed by elevating, quote, suicidal thinking and behavior in young people.
[00:35:54]  In other words, this drug was causing people to commit suicide.
[00:36:00]  And we're going to play now an interview that Kara Castronova did with a woman named Karen Winter, who has an organization.
[00:36:08]  Her sister was a victim of this drug.
[00:36:11]  So let's go ahead and watch this powerful interview.
[00:36:15]  Hey, everybody.
[00:36:16]  Kara Castronova with Lindell TV here at the Maja Institute.
[00:36:19]  Talking to Corinne Winter, who is here to share her story.

=== Criminal Liability for Paxil Risks (15:58) ===

[00:36:23]  She lost a loved one, her younger sister, to antidepressants.
[00:36:27]  A lot of people we're talking to today have experienced this.
[00:36:30]  Thank you so much, Corinne, for sharing your story.
[00:36:32]  Thanks for having me, Kara.
[00:36:33]  I'm grateful to be here.
[00:36:35]  So tell me about your sister.
[00:36:36]  I know that you tragically lost her.
[00:36:39]  Yeah, my sister Beth died at age 23.
[00:36:43]  She was a perfectly healthy young woman.
[00:36:45]  She had just graduated from the University of Rhode Island.
[00:36:48]  She had studied abroad at Oxford Brooks, backpacked for Europe.
[00:36:51]  Came home for the summer, got like a little job at a golf course.
[00:36:54]  And then when the fall came around, she began looking for like a real job.
[00:36:59]  And she began going on interviews and was a little nervous.
[00:37:02]  She had some mild insomnia.
[00:37:04]  And she had gone to her primary care physician for just a regular health checkup, nothing, nothing deep.
[00:37:11]  And she wasn't going there because she was experiencing any psychological symptoms at all.
[00:37:15]  She just went for a physical.
[00:37:17]  And within a five minute visit, he prescribed her Paxil.
[00:37:20]  He told her it would help her sleep.
[00:37:22]  And Paxil is not.
[00:37:24]  That's an off label use.
[00:37:25]  So it's supposed to be prescribed for depression.
[00:37:29]  So I saw Beth just about five days after she went on the Paxil.
[00:37:32]  My mother had told me she was experiencing these odd symptoms, like feeling like she wasn't in her body, like she was jumping out of her skin.
[00:37:40]  We didn't know what those symptoms were at the time, but we now know that those symptoms are called akathisia.
[00:37:45]  And it's a side effect specifically from SSRIs like Paxil.
[00:37:49]  On the fifth day when I saw her, I sat with her and I prayed with her because her affect was so off.
[00:37:54]  We were preparing for a party and we were icing cupcakes, and she could not get the icing on the cupcake.
[00:37:59]  So it was affecting the drug, it was affecting her psychomotor skills as well.
[00:38:05]  And as I sat with her and prayed, I asked her, I had this just intuition, this gut feeling, and I said, Are you suicidal?
[00:38:11]  And she laughed.
[00:38:11]  And she's like, I would never do that.
[00:38:12]  Why would you ask me that?
[00:38:15]  And then two days later, she hung herself in my parents' home due to the side effect from Paxil due to akathisia.
[00:38:23]  So I experienced her death clinically.
[00:38:25]  I'm actually a clinical social worker myself.
[00:38:28]  And I experienced her death clinically as murder, not as suicide.
[00:38:33]  And that's how it still feels today.
[00:38:35]  Her life was taken because GlaxoSmithKline, the makers of Paxil, knew when they did their study in the 90s, study 329, that Paxil can increase risk in suicide for children and for adults.
[00:38:49]  And they continued with their study anyway.
[00:38:52]  And so her death has been very devastating to my family.
[00:38:57]  And many years ago, we went with Kim Witsick to Washington, D.C. Beth died in 2003.
[00:39:03]  So 23 years ago at age 22.
[00:39:06]  And we went to FDA hearings in 2003 and 2004.
[00:39:11]  And we helped advocate for the issuing of black box warning labels, which is the highest label a drug can get before it's banned off the market.
[00:39:19]  Can you tell our audience what a black box warning label is?
[00:39:22]  Sure.
[00:39:23]  It's like an insert, like, you know, if you go and pick up a prescription at the doctor, at the pharmacy, it'll be in a brown bag and it'll have a label on it warning you.
[00:39:33]  So it's in a black box.
[00:39:35]  What it really needs to be is there needs to be a label on the drug itself.
[00:39:39]  You know, a skull and crossbones, not to be like.
[00:39:42]  You know what?
[00:39:43]  Somebody said that to me today.
[00:39:45]  Just that this may cause suicide because Beth didn't know, we didn't know, and her doctor didn't know.
[00:39:51]  She flat out said, You may commit suicide if you take this drug.
[00:39:54]  Yeah, like a giant red sticker would work.
[00:39:57]  There's a lot that needs to be done.
[00:39:59]  I mean, first and foremost, doctors need to be educated on the dangers of SSRIs and the side effect of akathisia.
[00:40:06]  Those in grad school and getting their doctorate, whether it's social work, psychology, any form of mental health, They need to be educated on what to look for when a client first starts the medication or a patient first starts the medication.
[00:40:20]  Primary care physicians need to be educated.
[00:40:22]  So the education's not happening, and that's the first problem.
[00:40:26]  And then the second problem is they're pushed for off label uses still when there's no data to support that they're effective.
[00:40:32]  So in 2000 and around 2004, they issued those warning labels.
[00:40:38]  But since then, the prescription of psychiatric medicine to children has skyrocketed.
[00:40:43]  So the labels for anyone under the age of 25, yet, That has been, if you look at prescription rates, let's just take teenage girls.
[00:40:51]  Since the pandemic, it has increased 130% for teenage girls prescribing antidepressant drugs and psychiatric medications.
[00:41:00]  So it's become extraordinarily problematic in our country.
[00:41:05]  The prescription rates are literally out of control.
[00:41:09]  And I was a high school social worker for 10 years.
[00:41:11]  I mean, things like a child losing a pet or a loved one, that is not.
[00:41:16]  You have to feel the feeling of sadness.
[00:41:18]  That's part of emotional intelligence.
[00:41:20]  Part of social and emotional learning, which I do also, is learning to be able to handle and mitigate difficult feelings.
[00:41:28]  We don't want to anesthetize ourselves with drugs to help manage those feelings.
[00:41:32]  And unfortunately, we've become a society that's become acclimated to doing that and used to doing that.
[00:41:37]  Oh, you're not feeling good?
[00:41:38]  Take this pill.
[00:41:39]  Oh, now you can't sleep because of your ADHD medication.
[00:41:43]  Now take a sleeping pill.
[00:41:45]  And a lot of young people are taking not just one prescription psychiatric drug, but two or three.
[00:41:51]  And these are relatively normal people.
[00:41:54]  And it's become a cultural problem.
[00:41:55]  And there needs to be a cultural shift about the way we think about psychiatric drugs that they're really used to treat mental illness, not everyday anxiety.
[00:42:05]  Not everything is a mental illness, I find.
[00:42:07]  Like a lot of people think they might be mentally ill, but maybe they're just having a bad day.
[00:42:11]  Yeah.
[00:42:12]  I mean, Beth had mild insomnia and a little bit of anxiety after finishing college and going for a series of job interviews.
[00:42:21]  That is normal.
[00:42:23]  That is a normal feeling.
[00:42:24]  Every single one of us.
[00:42:25]  You know, Kara, I'm sure you felt that way on your first job interview, right?
[00:42:28]  So we all have that experience.
[00:42:30]  And then, you know, it's somehow pathologized, and then there's a prescription.
[00:42:35]  And a primary care is not a psychiatrist.
[00:42:38]  So why are primary care physicians in a five minute visit without the proper evaluation tools writing these prescriptions to young people or to anyone for that matter?
[00:42:48]  What would your advice be to other families that have maybe somebody in it that's depressed or somebody watching that is thinking about going on antidepressants or might even be on them?
[00:42:57]  For somebody who's considering antidepressants, the first thing they should do is look at their lifestyle.
[00:43:03]  What time are they going to bed?
[00:43:04]  Are they, especially teenagers, are they on their phone after 10 p.m. or two hours before bed?
[00:43:10]  You know, maybe their melatonin's not where it should be.
[00:43:13]  What is their exercise routine?
[00:43:15]  You know, sometimes when we get irritable, we're just dehydrated.
[00:43:18]  Like there are so many physiological things we need to do to take care of our bodies that's not emphasized enough in traditional education.
[00:43:25]  So the first thing I would have them do is look at their lifestyle and then go to a therapist.
[00:43:30]  And if they need something, go to a holistic psychiatrist first.
[00:43:34]  There is alternative medicine.
[00:43:36]  I mean, psychiatry for the average child should be the last thing that someone explores.
[00:43:43]  And when it is done, it has to be very closely monitored.
[00:43:46]  I worked with my background in social work, I've been working with kids for 23 years.
[00:43:51]  So I'm 51.
[00:43:52]  I started working with adolescents in foster care.
[00:43:55]  And I can tell you that the majority of those foster kids were on two to four medications.
[00:43:59]  These are kids that experienced severe trauma, right?
[00:44:04]  Or neglect or abuse, and we're treating their symptoms of their experience, not some sort of neurological problem.
[00:44:12]  Anyone who went through their experience is going to struggle on some level, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually.
[00:44:19]  So we have to treat the whole person, not just the symptoms, with a psychiatric drug.
[00:44:25]  And then I was a school social worker for a decade after that.
[00:44:28]  And if a child's dog dies, they shouldn't be prescribed Prozac.
[00:44:33]  They should be prescribed.
[00:44:34]  You have to process those emotions.
[00:44:36]  It's important for being able to.
[00:44:39]  Be an adult who could process emotions.
[00:44:41]  Exactly.
[00:44:42]  And learn how to cope with difficult emotions.
[00:44:44]  So, for the past 13 years, I've been running an organization teaching mindfulness in schools and breath work and things like that.
[00:44:52]  I currently am a licensed clinical social worker.
[00:44:54]  So, doing practice in a way that looks at the entire person, looks at them holistically.
[00:45:02]  And there's a girl down the hall for me that just moved in today, actually, that's doing gut health testing and hair testing.
[00:45:09]  We're just friends, but Like, you know, those are things that you want to look at.
[00:45:12]  What's happening in your gut?
[00:45:13]  You know, does that have to do with your hair, your gut?
[00:45:16]  Oh, that's heavy metal.
[00:45:16]  So she's doing heavy metal testing.
[00:45:18]  She's doing hormone testing.
[00:45:19]  She's doing gut health testing.
[00:45:20]  She's doing thermography.
[00:45:22]  I mean, these are the type of holistic practitioners that I can refer someone to.
[00:45:25]  Well, they say gut health has a lot to do with mental health.
[00:45:27]  Absolutely.
[00:45:28]  You know, so if you have candida in your gut or you're, you know, you have inflammation in your brain, that can cause all sorts of problems brain fog, fatigue, et cetera.
[00:45:39]  So we really have to look at the root cause.
[00:45:41]  Of what's making both children and adults depressed, and look at their environment and really truly treat the whole person.
[00:45:48]  I really feel like psychiatry is archaic, it's outdated.
[00:45:53]  And just writing scripts and seeing someone I mean, if you're billing insurance, you have 45 minutes to solve their problem every week.
[00:46:00]  It's not enough time.
[00:46:01]  Any last words of advice to a family that what sign should they look for if they do have somebody that is on these medications?
[00:46:08]  What sign should they look for that this person might be suicidal, there might be something wrong, and they need to intervene?
[00:46:13]  Well, the signs of akathisia are feeling like they're jumping out of their skin, that they're not in their body, like their head's outside of their body, feeling highly agitated, restless, discontent, things of that nature.
[00:46:26]  Suicidal ideation is different in someone, perhaps, that's experiencing akathisia than like major depressive disorder.
[00:46:33]  So if someone's depressed and you should refer, if someone's suicidal, you should call 911 immediately and get them to a hospital, of course.
[00:46:41]  But if someone's experiencing depression and they'll tell you typically, if you ask them, are you Feeling depressed?
[00:46:46]  Are you feeling sad?
[00:46:47]  Do you monitor that person?
[00:46:49]  If they're suicidal, they go to the emergency room.
[00:46:50]  If they're having these symptoms of feeling depressed?
[00:46:52]  If they're having symptoms, they should report it to their doctor immediately.
[00:46:55]  And if they're having those symptoms, they should contact their medical professional immediately and/or go to the emergency room because you never know.
[00:47:03]  I mean, I met young people that stabbed them.
[00:47:08]  One girl killed herself in her kitchen with a knife while her parents were sleeping in the room next door.
[00:47:13]  You know, you can go into the next room and the person can kill themselves.
[00:47:17]  So it's an urgent issue, it needs to be addressed urgently.
[00:47:20]  Not just let's talk about this, it needs to be addressed urgently.
[00:47:23]  What could people do?
[00:47:23]  Where could they follow you and get involved to address this?
[00:47:26]  I have a project under.
[00:47:29]  My company, Grace Healing Arts.
[00:47:30]  So they can go to the project Love Beth, which is love-beth.com.
[00:47:35]  So it's love, comma, Beth.
[00:47:37]  And it's really a letter from my sister because she didn't leave a suicide note.
[00:47:40]  We know the reason she died, but if she could write a letter today, I want to be that voice because she wants to educate people.
[00:47:46]  She doesn't want to see another young, beautiful girl hurt by this.
[00:47:50]  And I had dinner with some girls last night that have experienced the side effects of akathisia, both coming on, going on, and coming off the drugs.
[00:47:57]  And so I don't want to see any more young people.
[00:48:00]  Impacted the way she was.
[00:48:01]  Thank you so much for sharing your story.
[00:48:02]  I'm so sorry about your sister, but thank you for your strength in educating people.
[00:48:07]  Thank you so much, Karen.
[00:48:08]  Thank you.
[00:48:08]  Corinne, thank you.
[00:48:09]  Corinne, thank you for having me.
[00:48:10]  Thank you.
[00:48:13]  I mean, for me, that had to be one of the most powerful interviews that I've watched recently in terms of the information that was provided.
[00:48:21]  And a couple of the things that stick out, I want to actually quickly before I go into that, I want to put her social media on the screen for you guys so that you can go and get plugged into this woman because.
[00:48:32]  That information is so incredibly powerful.
[00:48:36]  And her organization, actually, yeah, that's her social media.
[00:48:40]  She's the founder of Mission B and Grace Healing Arts.
[00:48:43]  But I mean, the thing that stood out when she said psychiatry for children should be the last thing we give our children.
[00:48:52]  I mean, think about it, right?
[00:48:54]  It goes against everything we stand for as a child or as a Christian.
[00:48:58]  When we say a child is made perfect in God's image, but then all of a sudden a child feels an emotion.
[00:49:05]  Right.
[00:49:05]  A total normal human experience to feel the range of emotions that God created us to feel.
[00:49:12]  And you say, there's something wrong with that child.
[00:49:14]  Let me prescribe them a drug to sort of numb their own emotions.
[00:49:18]  This is the culture that we are creating right now for our kids.
[00:49:23]  I mean, how many kids in our public school systems, private school systems, too, are literally pumped up full of these prescription medications that are actually hurting them?
[00:49:34]  Right.
[00:49:35]  Like, it's absolutely crazy.
[00:49:37]  So, I really applaud Kara and Karen there for that interview and the incredible information that came out.
[00:49:45]  And the other thing that she pointed out is like, you know, what kind of advice do you give to people going through this stuff?
[00:49:51]  And it's look at your lifestyle.
[00:49:53]  What are you eating?
[00:49:54]  What are you doing?
[00:49:55]  You know, the drugs.
[00:49:57]  Once you eliminate the drugs, there could be some underlying issues.
[00:50:00]  But the most important thing that I'm finding through, you know, just my life here in journalism and interviewing people and doing all this research.
[00:50:08]  Is always start with the holistic approach first.
[00:50:12]  If you have something that you need to treat, look up natural remedies, look up holistic remedies, holistic doctors, holistic veterinarians, and dentists, and all sorts of other things.
[00:50:23]  There is a whole world of medical research and treatments and information that's on the holistic side of the medical industry.
[00:50:34]  On the other side of it is the big pharma industry, which tends to create Lifelong patients, because they have essentially put profits over people.
[00:50:43]  And, you know, I can't help but feel when I hear stories like this, where you have these, you know, Paxil studies and the COVID studies or lack thereof, I should say, where you have drugs being prescribed to people that it's the drug causing the suicide, right?
[00:50:59]  We're told it's suicide, but in reality, it's actually murder because it's no different than a drug dealer giving somebody fentanyl.
[00:51:08]  They do the fentanyl and it kills them.
[00:51:09]  Well, that's considered, you know, narco terrorism.
[00:51:12]  But when you have, These pharmaceutical sales reps giving people SSRIs that are causing them to commit suicide.
[00:51:19]  What is the difference?
[00:51:20]  Because I don't see one.
[00:51:23]  But the final interview I'm going to play here today for you guys is one that she did with a gentleman, Admiral Christine.
[00:51:32]  And he talks about one of the other issues with these SSRIs, and that is the infertility, sexual dysfunction, things of that nature.
[00:51:46]  Those can also affect marriages and the mental health of many people.
[00:51:50]  And so they unpack all of that in this next and final interview.
[00:51:54]  So we'll go ahead and share that with you now.
[00:51:57]  Hey, everybody.
[00:51:58]  Cara Castro Nova with Lindell TV here with Admiral Brian Christine from HHS, talking about a lot of important things like sexual dysfunction in young men.
[00:52:08]  A lot of people say that's due to increased use of SSRIs.
[00:52:12]  Can you talk a little bit about that and really why it's so important that people be aware of the side effects?
[00:52:18]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:52:19]  So we know that SSRIs are medications.

=== Decreased Desire in Women (02:12) ===

[00:52:22]  They certainly have their place and can be helpful, but they do have side effects.
[00:52:26]  And some of the side effects that we see are side effects in the sexual realm difficulty with attaining orgasm, difficulty with actually decreased libido, decreased desire.
[00:52:36]  On the panel today, we heard some of these incredibly brave young men and women talking about other side effects of SSRIs a lack of desire for sex, even changes in how their body responds to intimacy.
[00:52:48]  So there are absolutely can be side effects with SSRIs.
[00:52:51]  And part of our goal is to evangelize.
[00:52:53]  To tell people about these so they understand potential side effects.
[00:52:56]  Do you feel like I know that studies are saying that childbirth is decreasing, the population is decreasing.
[00:53:03]  Do you think that could actually contribute to that?
[00:53:05]  And that's why it's so dangerous.
[00:53:07]  For the first time in the U.S., I think they're saying that we're going to have a very decreased population if people don't start procreating.
[00:53:14]  Our fertility rates have fallen to record lows in the United States.
[00:53:18]  We're below replacement.
[00:53:19]  In other words, the number of babies that we're having in the U.S. is not replacing the number of individuals.
[00:53:25]  Who are dying, which is a real problem for the country.
[00:53:28]  We know that fertility among men is dropping, fertility among women is dropping, certainly significantly among men.
[00:53:34]  So, falling birth rates, falling fertility is a real problem for the country.
[00:53:39]  Again, it's something that we are talking about at HHS, something that we are educating people about, and something that we're researching.
[00:53:46]  What about women?
[00:53:46]  Does it have a side effect on females?
[00:53:50]  Well, females can have side effects just like men.
[00:53:53]  Again, some of the sexual side effects, some of the decreased desire side effects, some of the Some of the apathy for life side effects.
[00:53:59]  They just don't seem to care as much.
[00:54:01]  And so, just like men, women can have side effects from SSRIs as well.
[00:54:05]  It seems like these young people are really depressed, and I don't know why that is or there's a mental health crisis.
[00:54:12]  But SSRIs, I don't believe personally, this is just me, I'm not a medical doctor, are the answer.
[00:54:16]  What do you think is the answer to get people happy again?
[00:54:20]  Well, there is a mental health crisis in this country among both men and women.
[00:54:23]  Rates of depression between men and women are pretty similar, but rates of suicide are much higher in men.
[00:54:29]  Men tend to utilize Mental health resources much less than women.

=== Holistic Mental Health Crisis (01:12) ===

[00:54:34]  So, what do we do about that?
[00:54:35]  Well, we start by teaching, we start by understanding, we start by evangelizing, talking about the problem.
[00:54:41]  Again, one of the reasons the conference is great today.
[00:54:43]  We have to quit so quickly reaching for a prescription pad and pen and simply giving medications.
[00:54:49]  Treating mental health is holistic diet, exercise, being outside, interacting with your family and friends.
[00:54:55]  It should be a holistic approach, which doesn't mean there's no role for medication, but clearly, over medicalization is a major problem in this country when it comes to a variety of things and certainly mental health.
[00:55:07]  Is there anything else that you're working on over at HHS that you want to tell our audience about?
[00:55:11]  We're very big fans of you, Admiral, as well as Secretary Kennedy.
[00:55:14]  We think you're doing great work.
[00:55:15]  Well, we're continuing to educate about our dietary guidelines, changing the way Americans eat, changing the way that we feed our war fighters and our children.
[00:55:24]  Ever see this guy with the pillows on Fox?
[00:55:29]  My pillow guy, Mike Lindell.
[00:55:33]  He is the greatest.
[00:55:36]  My pillow guy, Mike Lindell.
[00:55:40]  And he's been with us right from the beginning.