I'm Rick Weibel, hosting in, subbing in for Mike Lindell.
Thank you, Mike, for allowing me this great opportunity to fill your shoes here tonight once again for this week.
Tonight, we're going to have a great show for you.
Going to be talking with a recent friend of mine that kind of threw election integrity, Barry Wernick out of Dallas County, Texas.
He is doing a phenomenal job down there of keeping it abreast of what is happening in the elections down there in his county, his state, and across the country.
He has also used his intelligence, his talents, and his law degree to go in and fight for true election integrity.
He is one of the leaders in this arena.
And I want to make sure that tonight is a show that you tune in because there are a lot of lessons from Barry that we can learn from, from the election official that he is going head to head against.
But also, he has been a proponent out there speaking truth to his county commissioners out there and all of the other elected officials.
He is probably one of the leaders in the country in kind of what I would say in election law reform as well and understanding very clearly the law, the election problems that we are seeing out there, the technology, but also ensuring that our elections are actually going to be transparent while also protecting voter privacy at the same time.
Yes, it's possible to have both.
And I have helped him out on a couple of cases, and we've had great conversations over this year talking about the situation with ESNS, the express vote systems of ESNS, some of the processes, and also election law.
But first, let's get into some of the latest news that is happening in the election world itself.
Today, over at the United States Congress, there was actually a hearing in the House Admin Committee where they actually had a hearing titled American Confidence in the Elections, Prohibiting Foreign Interference.
It was interesting that this comes on the heels of the Act Blue findings of illegal foreign money influencing U.S. elections.
I would actually advise you to go listen to these four testifiers.
There is amazing testimony here, and especially from the state of Montana, talking about how these foreign influencers are coming in and corrupting their elections, especially itemizing the detail that it's so cheap to buy ads in a small state like Montana.
We happen to see some of this same kind of shenanigans here in South Dakota as well.
And so people will ask, why is this such a big deal?
Well, in states like Montana, South Dakota, Wyoming, Idaho, this is where we have a lot of rich minerals underneath our very feet.
And so it is very easy for these outside influencers to corrupt, you know, fake candidates to go in and run for office, as well as to change laws so that they can come in and steal those resources that are ours as Americans and individual stakeholders as well.
Another surprising thing that comes out is look at this stupid bill that came out.
And I want to just thank you, Elon Musk, for being the press now of record where we actually had legislators willing to come forward to show this 1500 massive bill and say and admit that they hadn't read the bill.
Because of your activism and because of Elon Musk's platform, we were able to hear immediately from Donald Trump that he's totally against the proposed spending bill.
And we even heard from other legislators there that they were just not going to.
And there was so much bloat in this thing that it was absolutely ridiculous that they moved forward.
Another news that we spoke about earlier this week in Minnesota, we talked about the satanic display at the Capitol.
One of the legislators I personally know, Ben Davis, he's actually a pastor and he put out a legislative brief out there where he basically said, this is just absolute evil wickedness and he hoped that it would be removed.
The display, apparently, there was a misreport of the display being removed.
And apparently last night, there was it must have fallen over under its own evil way.
And then later on, it was put back up.
And so we see that report here from WJON where they had reported at 10 a.m. this morning that there was a sign there that said that it was temporarily unavailable.
So apparently the evil deed and the doers basically came back in, repaired it, wafted this weird thing back onto its perch, and then it's back on display.
And so it's absolutely disgusting that this thing is still up there.
And there was a prayer vigil and rally at the Capitol in St. Paul, Minnesota today that will continue through Christmas.
Hopefully that this display will continue to fall under its own weight and God will prevail.
And other kind of interesting news in focusing and looking at Texas, there's kind of a rewind here where Dallas County certified an election despite lost ballots, votes in wrong precincts.
And what was interesting is that there was almost 4,000 voters who cast ballots in precincts where they didn't live and 200 ballots were missing.
And they basically blamed this on some of the malfunctions in regards to ESNS's poll pads and their check-in process.
That's absolutely disgusting because in the end, whether it's a software malfunction or not, you should have properly tested this.
And we are going to actually dive into Garcia a lot more in this program.
But then today, the Dallas Morning News is breaking that the Dallas County Commissioners demand election software fix from ESNS and that it wasn't acceptable of what they had did and through this whole process.
And one of the statements from the commissioners said, look, these apologies are just not acceptable.
And it's itemized that they have paid ESNS over $35 million for its products and services since their contract began many years ago.
Now, what's interesting is that another commissioner, Elba Garcia, declared that she had no confidence in the company after ESNS representatives acknowledged that they had not yet approached the state about certifying a new version of the software that could provide a permanent fix.
And that is absolutely disgusting.
This is just more negligence of ESNS that we find throughout this whole election management system.
And we're still waiting for ESNS to basically provide patches for all of the states and also start looking at a system that will really have Windows 11 in its administrative functions and its EMS system.
So without further ado, I'd like to have Barry come on and just kind of tell us more of what is going on here in Dallas County.
It seems like you just have a complete hot mess going on in this county.
And I know you've been doing your due diligence.
You were a candidate, as a matter of fact, in the primary election.
And that's kind of how I first started working with you in your primary challenge case in Dallas County.
Tell us more about that and bring us up to speak.
Yeah, well, thank you, first of all, for having me on.
This is great to be invited on.
And I'm very fortunate to be able to, well, for you to give me the time to discuss the issues of the elections that don't just plague Dallas County, but plague the whole country, as we know, and as you've been reporting on, and you've been working on and helping as well.
And as you said, you helped me.
And I guess I'll give a little backstory for the people that haven't been paying attention to Dallas County, but I ran against a 10-year entrenched swamp creature in the Republican primary.
And the night of the election, we had election night watch party, actually.
And we weren't getting any results in for Dallas County.
And so I was wondering, what's going on here?
Everyone else is getting results.
We're getting a PDF sort of summary result every hour or so, but nothing by precinct.
And this is coming off the heels of us already knowing that the central count accumulator hadn't been certified or officially certified.
The SOS has a lot of discretion here in Texas and they'll certify anything if necessary.
Well, it wasn't truly certified.
There were issues.
Hadn't had an update since 2019.
So, of course, things are going through my head.
I'm wondering what's going on here.
We're not getting results.
Maybe that has something to do with it.
So just maybe.
Who knows?
And turns out the results showed eventually that I had lost by about 500 votes.
So of course, what is my number one priority?
Sure, we need border security.
We need taxes and everything else.
But the number one thing before you can get to anything else is securing our elections.
And that was right on my one of the priorities, the top priority on my campaign.
And so what was I going to do?
At this point, I could have a recount.
I could actually do something about it.
And all my supporters were saying, yes, we've got to do something about this.
And for me, it wasn't about contesting the election.
It was more about the opportunity in a Republican primary to possibly work with the other Republicans on looking at our election system, finding out if there are any flaws inherent in the system.
And if there are, let's expose them, let's fix them because we got a really big election in November.
So that was my whole, that was it.
And that's what I wanted to focus on.
When I saw what we have here in Texas, and actually, 18 states also do what we do in Texas, countywide voting.
Basically, you don't have to go to your precinct to vote.
You can vote anywhere in the county.
Why?
For ease and accessibility and convenience and all the other, you know, wonderful bells and whistles about being able to vote everywhere, right?
By the way, this whole concept was started by Robert Reich of Common Cause America fame and other Secretary of Labor fame and the Munchkin Land fame.
But anyway, they pushed it.
Texas has it, you know, all Republicans passing it, authoring, sponsoring these bills.
And this is what we have.
And what I find out during the recount is it's impossible to audit this thing.
I mean, you just can't audit.
It's a mess.
You've got ballot boxes coming from all over the county, and you've got seals that don't miss from ballot boxes, or you've got seals with serial numbers that don't match the seal log certificate that the judges had signed off on.
And I remember the very first box with thousands of votes, I said, where are the seals?
It doesn't match.
The seal number here doesn't match the seal number on.
We better not count this.
And boy, everyone was like, What are you talking about?
You could be losing your votes here.
You may have won this ballot box.
I don't want to win if it's illegal.
These are invalid votes.
So that's how it all began.
And then I realized, you know what?
Unless I actually have the ability to contest something and, you know, and they said you have to count everything that really I need to change my focus anyway.
And let's look for those flaws.
And there was one ballot box.
I remember it caught my eye.
I saw this, you know, first thing you have to do is separate all of the ballots because you have to count by precinct.
So we're separating by precinct.
And I see at one location, so the ballot box from one polling location, I see that there's one ballot from a specific precinct.
And I'm thinking, well, we have the vote roster because, well, you need to be able to audit an election, make sure that the people from this precinct, where they voted, what time they voted, you know, what time of day, everything else.
Well, I know if there's only one person from that precinct who voted at this polling location, then this ballot belongs to that person.
And just so happened, it was a former mayor of Dallas.
I'm thinking, wow, how many more people are there that this is happening to?
Couldn't be that many.
And what I realized was there were over 18,000 people in Dallas County in the primary election who had their constitutional right to a secret ballot violated.
I could pull it up.
Yeah, that's incredible.
And so, and that's even without using the machines themselves.
That is literally just looking at the logbook of the precinct, who came in, who didn't live in that precinct, made them a unique ballot.
And then that ballot, of course, would have a different statement on it and probably different candidates because there might be a city there or a township that may have a little bit of a different race.
And at the bottom of the ballot, would be identified.
Like you said, we're not even talking electronic voting system issues.
This is just, and as we, I think we've called it this before, where I look at the analog, I'm doing like the analog old time kind of, hey, this isn't even secret.
I can't audit this.
You know, you've been focusing a lot on the electronic or let's say the digital.
So you got the digital cheating, there's the analog cheating or the digital, you know, violation of our rights and the analog violation of our rights.
Well, this is very simple.
I'm a lawyer.
I'm not a tech guy.
I don't understand, but I could understand that.
And when I saw that, I was like, whoa, our whole election system is unlawful if this is what's going on.
And, you know, I found out over probably about 150,000 people throughout Texas whose ballots were not secret in that primary election.
And I just started going down the rabbit hole.
First thing I did was I called my brother and I said, you've got to be a poll watcher for me.
Now, he's a real estate finance guy.
He doesn't know anything about this stuff.
And actually, I didn't know anything about election law or election any, I'm a lawyer, but you go around, I'm sure, Rick, you've spoken to plenty of lawyers.
No lawyers really know anything about election law until you actually get in it.
And then you start looking at it and you're like, you know, they didn't teach us this in law school.
But all of a sudden, 24 hours a day almost, my head is in elections all day.
And now this is really my area.
It's become my area of law.
And what can we do to fix this issue?
It's really interesting.
The first thing I realized was you go to and you just get public with it.
Public awareness is the first most important thing.
And the people I learned from weren't lawyers, by the way.
These aren't lawyers.
These are what the left derogatorily call people.
These are activists, okay?
Which to me is a good thing.
But for some reason, there are people out there that they use that in a derogatory manner.
But it was all the activists that came that have been working on this for years that were my helpers, you know, people that helped me.
It was Dr. Laura Presley or Aubrey Campbell taking back Texas.
You know, this is this, these were people that have been working on this forever.
And then, of course, Beth Beasel introduced me to you.
And then I was like, wow, this goes a lot deeper than just being able to see these ballots and seeing the auditability problem.
And as we know, these two are two requirements, federal and state law in Texas, is number one, you got to have audit capacity.
You have to be able to audit an election.
If you can't, that makes your election system unlawful.
And number two, you have to have secrecy of the ballot.
And so how do you weigh it?
Is there actually a legal way to strike a balance between the two?
And what I found out was countywide voting, there's no way to do that.
And one of the things they push the countywide voting is not just to create a mess so it can't be auditable, it's also to require what is something that's needed when you have countywide voting.
It's the same thing you need for ranked choice voting too: electronic voting systems.
You can't do this by hand without electronic voting systems.
And once you throw that into the mix, then you're, yeah, you try to audit that.
And what's interesting, I went up with the Republican National Lawyers Association.
I said, look, I've been working in Dallas.
And they said, well, we need you around different places in the country.
I said, well, unless you have a good place for me to go to, I'm not leaving.
So they said, how's Detroit?
And I said, oh, well, that sounds like a good place to be.
So I went up there.
And you know what was so interesting is, and it actually almost brought a tear to my eye.
I'm watching people go to their precinct to vote.
The ballots are not getting messed up because, well, there's only one ballot style for people voting in that precinct.
You know, it's the same races and measures.
Everything are all this, it's all the same.
Countywide, imagine you're going to someplace and you may get the wrong ballots, which you may happens all the time.
And in Dallas, as we found out, thousands, thousands of people were getting the wrong ballots.
There, you could get your ballot, you check in, you get a big pen, right?
And you go and to your little booth and you fill it out.
And the only machine they had was the tabulator, which they said, you see, it's only connected to the internet after we're done voting and the polls close.
And so it's really secure.
And I'm thinking, well, you were doing a great job until that point.
Right.
And at that point, everyone knows that the polls close.
That's when you're going to the internet and you're transmitting all the information.
So, but what was very important and what I think having all these attorneys, thousands of Republican attorneys in all these Democrat precincts, but really what we did was just have an eye on it.
And something that we could make a difference, which we were able to do in Detroit and elsewhere across the country, was just stopped anything from happening.
They were looking at us like, what are you doing here?
Well, we've never had anyone here from like a Republican, let alone a lawyer.
You know, they're like, okay, we really can't do anything.
And we could actually follow it up until the tabulation.
Now, take that back to Dallas County.
And I would tell this to these Democrat chairs of the polling locations.
And I'd say, hey, you know, in Dallas, we use electronic voting systems.
They're like, for the whole, like, how?
Like, you mean, besides just counting the vote?
I said, oh, yeah, we go up, we put it here, we can go anywhere in the county.
Oh, they were freaking out.
These were the Democrats.
They said, oh, that's impossible.
No, we'll never do that here.
And they were like, I said, no, no.
I said, we'll never get rid of paper ballots.
This is the only way to do it.
Otherwise, it'll be a mess.
How do you even, you know, how do you deal with it?
And I said, well, we can't.
What do we do?
We make an excuse.
Right.
And that's right.
And you're exactly right because this is part of where elections can get easily corrupted.
So when you look at a place like Detroit, where you have local oversight of the elections because everybody there is within that precinct.
And so that means when somebody comes in and says, I live over at 123 Main Street, an election judge can already know, no, that building's been closed for three years.
Nobody lives there.
Whereas in your case, and in my county's case, we get into these wide open county voting where I can go vote anywhere in the county and say, I vote at, I live at 123 Main Street here in Elkton.
And the election judge there has no idea, no familiarity of where I live.
And they're just going to let me in.
And so we lose that safety net of the oversight of the precinct-based elections.
So this is a warning sign for everybody across the United States.
And in order for them to get you the right ballot in this countywide voting situation, what do they have to do?
They have to have these e-poll books that are connected to a central station so that they know, oh, wait, this person's in this precinct.
So we've got to print out a ballot that matches, it's the proper ballot style for this particular voter.
Now, the people working there don't know what's supposed to be on your ballot.
And there was an instance where one gentleman, and after this election, I've been collecting declarations of truth, following up.
We've been vetting the stories, making sure it's okay, and then following up and getting signed notarized affidavits because this is something that needs to be fixed in a major way.
Now, the best way to fix it is to get rid of the electronic voting systems entirely.
You move back to in-precinct voting, handmarked, just like they did in Detroit up to that point, hand marked ballots, and you count in precinct by hand.
It's auditable.
So you have transparency.
But since everyone from your precinct is voting in the same precinct, in the same polling location, there's no way that you figure out the analog way that I do.
You know, like, well, that's the only person from this precinct to vote there.
So it has to be his ballot.
No, everyone's ballot is from the same precinct.
So it's the same ballot style.
So you can't figure that out.
And if you now try to justify the millions of dollars, if you look at the article in the Dallas Morning News today, which is crazy that the Dallas Morning News and it just so happens.
Now, I actually got a hard copy, a print of this Dallas Morning News.
It's a front page.
Who would ever think officials demand voting fix?
In the morning news, they haven't listened to me talk about any of the issues with the election system.
In fact, I've spoken to the Dallas City Council, the city county commissioners, the county commissioners I've spoken to in front of, these are all public testimony.
You can see them on my X page because I put everything on there, by the way.
Everything about from the time the recount happened to everything that I've been doing as far as public testimony and trying to get these elected officials to actually do something about it.
In fact, the Election Commission in Dallas, there are four Democrats and one Republican.
So you have the county judge, the county tax assessor, the county clerk, the Democrat Party chair, and the Republican Party chair.
So that's how we get one guy on there.
Of the five, and I told them this in the public testimony, I had four of their ballots.
I had copies of them.
I know exactly how they voted.
Not only are they violating the constitutional rights of their constituents, they violated their own constitutional rights.
In fact, the county judge's mother's ballot isn't secret.
So I brought that up and nothing, nothing.
No response.
They were like, yeah, I'm not really not interested.
We'll just take care of it.
We'll redact information.
Don't worry about it.
We'll protect people's vote in the future.
And what does redacting information do?
Absolutely nothing.
All it does is it allows for them to cover up a crime, basically, so that we can't see what they're covering up.
But guess who already sees it?
The ballot secrecy has already been, it's never been preserved because the one doing the redacting, the election department, the vendors, they have access to it.
Maybe a government official who we elect who may need some information from the election administrator.
Well, let's talk about your government, your election official, because there's an interesting story to be said here.
His name is Heider Garcia, and I happened to pull fresh information from his LinkedIn account.
And this is not conspiracy because he is the one that is actually publishing this information directly on his LinkedIn account.
And so he self-claims that he is a subject matter expert on elections and elections technology.
And he talks about how he has dealt with large-scale election programs.
He's done multiple projects in different geographic locations around the world.
His core competencies are designing and deploying IT systems.
So this isn't somebody who is out there blaming ESNS for problems who doesn't have a general background regarding IT.
But here's the area that is going to be mind-blowing.
For those of you in the back of the room, this next page is definitely his work product.
And you will be shocked to learn that yes, on the right side panel there, he worked for SmartMatic.
This is for 12 years of experience there.
He was a solution manager.
He was a product manager, and he was a native solutions development coordinator.
And if you look at the areas where he was working, Caracas, Venezuela, Panama.
So this guy definitely has significant experience.
And we see there that he has senior subject matter expert with the United States Election Assistance Commission from July to October of 2023 for four months.
This is a significant development.
And so when we sit here and we hear these excuses coming from somebody of this caliber, I have to ask the basic questions of how did this guy become head of your elections knowing the history of what had happened in Venezuela,
knowing the history of SmartMatic, and then based upon what has happened recently in Dallas County, where he is putting your elections completely at risk, where he should know better and what the risks are for online poll pads to have these delays, people handed the wrong ballots and ballots missing to create this type of disruption.
How in the heck can your county commissioners and your citizens allow this type of theft to happen in two elections in a row in the same year?
No, it's how do they allow it to happen?
Well, you know, what's interesting is there was, you know, we have in Dallas County five county commissioners.
All of them are Democrats.
This is who does the hiring of our of our election administrator.
So I was talking about the election commission before.
The county commissioners are different.
They're the ones that hire and fire and accept resignations from the election administrator, which that job actually came, used to be the county clerk.
But no, they found a great opportunity when Heider Garcia was run out of Tarrant County, which is our neighboring county and the largest, actually the largest red county in America, right next to Dallas County.
So when they ran him out, Dallas scooped him up.
And to our detriment, honestly.
It is interesting, like you said, subject matter expert, someone who, you know, was part of the development of the SmartMatic software and ran it during Chavez's referendum, where he supposedly won.
Okay.
I mean, shortly thereafter, Venezuela, the most prosperous country in South America, becomes communist overnight.
Now look at the place.
I went to Philippines where there's a very famous video on YouTube.
You should see he gets chewed out because he promised that there was no way that you'd be able to find if someone inserted votes at a certain time, let's say at 10 p.m. when elections should have stopped at 7, you'd be able to see it.
And he was called out on it that no, in fact, you can't track that.
You can put it in at any time you want.
It could be 10 o'clock at night, but you could make it say four and there's no way to track it.
And he got ran out of, he got run out of the Philippines for that.
You should look it up on YouTube.
It's pretty crazy.
It makes you feel bad for the guy almost.
And then went to California.
Then Tarrant County picked him up because, you know, I think he slipped in somehow.
And then when they found out what they had gotten, they were smart.
And they were about to fire him.
And he realized it.
And he's like, I'm out of here.
I'm resigning.
So that was a great opportunity for us to pick him up.
Now, what's interesting is he's someone that, and I've spoken to county administrators across Texas, and they say that the Secretary of State tells them to always, they always refer them to Heider Garcia.
Any questions about elections, contact Heider Garcia?
So it's almost as if, and I saw it in my recount, where the Republican chair at the time, now we have Lieutenant Colonel Alan West as our chair.
And he's, I mean, nothing's going to stop him.
And he smells BS when he, you know, he knows what he's, when he sees something's wrong, and he'll call him out on it and do something about it.
Well, we had our previous party chair was the coordinator of or the supervisor of my recount.
And I'd ask a question.
She just deferred to Heider Garcia almost as if he was her legal counsel.
Like it was like, what do you, hey, we're on the same team here.
What are you deferring to this guy?
This guy is the guy we're auditing.
And yeah, it was, it was very disappointing.
You know, they did the, we were talking about the poll books and how you need the poll books.
There was no LNA testing on the poll books because the Secretary of State and Heider Garcia, conveniently, don't believe that the e-poll books are considered part of the voting system.
And it very clearly is.
Look at the Help America Vote Act.
I mean, it's pretty, it's obviously anything that's considered part of the voting system in the Help America Vote Act, it states right there, if it supports a voting system, which that does, right, and defines a ballot, then it's part of the voting system.
And if it's part of the voting system, you know, something they can't do?
Well, first of all, they need to test it, which they didn't do.
They also, what can't they do?
Which they did.
ESNS admitted doing, saying to mitigate the problems that they were having printing out the wrong ballots for people, you know, over and over again, getting ballots in queue, is that they did a configuration update on the e-poll books after the first night of the first day of early voting overnight.
And they admitted to it.
The election administrator Heider Garcia admitted that, yes, there were problems.
Yes, they didn't have their finest day.
But it wouldn't change any of the votes except maybe the down ballot races because, you know, those don't matter, right?
All right.
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And so when we come back, let's talk a little bit more about some of the other issues with Hydera Garcia, but then also let's talk about vision casting and let's see what type of legislation we should be promoting at the state levels here, knowing some of the issues that you've uncovered here in Dallas County that could be Needed across the United States as well to protect us from what you're experiencing.
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Welcome back everybody.
Rick Weibel here and here with Barry out of Texas.
And some of the top things that he's been kind of advocating is, of course, number one, demanding auditability and ballot secrecy.
Two, ending countywide voting.
Three, banning electronic voting systems.
Four, return to election day voting in precinct on voter hand marked ballots and hand-counted ballots.
He's trying to be like, wow, where did you get that from?
It's fantastic.
I got it right from his X account.
He's not wrong in his statements there.
And so to kind of focus the rest of our time here together, I want to talk about, you know, one of the cases that you have open here that is really about the auditability and ballot secrecy case that you have going on that you talked about on your X account here recently.
But then also, what are some legislative things that we should be doing?
What are the things that you're going to be doing in Texas?
And of course, how can I help?
I'm willing to come down to Texas to testify in any way that I can to help you push for election integrity.
Well, thanks a lot.
I really, and I know you, I know you will and you do because you've done it.
You've been helpful, so helpful.
Some of the things, as I mentioned before, public awareness, getting the public out there, because elected officials, once they're elected and they claim to be conservative and then they win, and then you find out what popped out was actually a Democrat.
But if they realize that the people are still paying attention after elections, you know what?
Maybe they don't want to listen, but they have to listen.
And so public awareness is really the number one thing that we have to do.
And we can't limit it to social media.
We have to go and give public testimony, even though they're on their cell phones and not even paying attention.
It's on the record.
And one of the other things is if you've got a complaint, if you've witnessed an irregular election irregularity, you think something needs to be changed or a law was violated, don't just complain.
File a complaint.
So difference between complaining and then actually filing a complaint and get it on the record.
And, you know, there are certain, depending on your state, you may have a DA that's not, if they don't investigate a complaint in Texas, for instance, if we file two complaints on the same issue with the DA and the DA does not investigate within 30 days, we can actually get that DA removed.
So there are some things in the laws you have to be aware of that you can utilize to your advantage.
The other thing is, you know, You might not be able to wait on legislation.
Okay, that's something where I lost my election, but actually, the election securing elections, election integrity movement, and I hate saying that because so many people just say those words and they don't even know what it means and really don't even address the real issues.
But that whole area, election of securing our elections, I'd have to wait had I won and then deal with 149 other legislators to get them on board and to try to get some movement.
But when I lost, I was able to now actually focus my time and actually make a difference and focus really on this issue and get it out there.
And that was through the courts.
And the courts aren't always friendly, right?
And we know that.
But the courts will be changing very soon.
And from Elon Musk to Vivek Ramaswamy to our president-elect, what have they been asking for?
Paper ballots, the same thing we're saying, election day, one-day election day.
So I have a very good feeling that after the president's inaugurated, we'll have those U.S. attorneys and we'll have those judges that'll actually take a case and actually hear it.
Now, we have a case, something I've done, and I got Public Interest Legal Foundation to jump on board and say, hey, we're here to help.
So you get a nonprofit to help.
And actually, in Harris County, suing Harris County right now in federal district court.
And this is a case of first impression, a novel case, meaning it's this has never been decided, a case like, it's never been adjudicated in the courts.
And that is the U.S. Constitution.
Does it provide for a right to a secret ballot?
And I came in as the analog expert, explaining all the Harris County people whose rights were violated.
We have a plaintiff who actually ran for state rep. I called her up and I said, you know, I have a copy of your ballot.
You're a patriot.
And she said, oh, really?
Then that is my ballot.
I said, yeah, well, that's pretty bad, isn't it?
She goes, yes, I want to be a plaintiff.
So Carolyn Kane is a plaintiff, and there are several others too.
Republican who ran for DA, his ballot is in secret.
Secretary of State of Texas and her husband, ballots weren't secret.
So you try to get it out there, the public awareness.
Well, when you tell these people and they're not acting, then there's a problem.
But hopefully there's enough pressure where they say, you know what, we can't redact.
We can't redact information to hide it from y'all because obviously someone else already has it.
So we've got a case right now.
It's been filed in the Southern District in the Southern District Houston division.
So we're hoping that we get that right to a secret ballot that we think the U.S. Constitution does guarantee.
And at that point, what is the only solution?
Well, in 18 states like Texas, where we have countywide voting, you're going to have to get rid of that countywide voting.
You can't put a band-aid on it.
When you violate someone's rights, you got to get rid of that and go back to increasing voting.
And at that point, how are they going to justify the millions of dollars they're spending on these machines when you don't need it?
When it costs nine cents.
Now, I got a Prime membership on Amazon, but I looked it up: free shipping, nine cents a big pen.
And the something about a big pen is when we're having all these system failures during using electronic voting systems, you got to shut them down.
You're getting a tech to come out and inspect and fix and all this other stuff in the middle of an election.
When that big pen runs out of ink, you know what you do?
You pick up the other big pen.
Pretty simple.
Right.
So, so that's one of the things taking these cases.
Like I said, in Dallas County, just going to tell you right now that our election administrator said there's no legal remedy to the problems.
And then he tried to throw ESNS under the bus.
He still is saying, oh, it's their fault, not my fault.
But they're not safe.
Let me just put it that way.
There's a lot.
I've got so many people sending me stuff about things that their rights were violated, disenfranchised, or had their votes diluted, which is just as bad as being disenfranchised.
Someone gets to vote twice, which I have affidavits from people that actually did vote twice.
What did that do to my vote?
It diluted.
And so those are things that we need to take care of.
And then, as you said, where do we go from here?
We work with legislators.
You've got to get to the legislators.
In Texas, state senator Bob Hall has always been the number one guy in getting our elections secure.
I tech background, right?
That's it's amazing.
All the people that actually understand how these machines work, they don't trust them because they know you can't trust them.
And so one of the leading professors is right there out of Texas saying AM, Professor Goddery.
What a great man down there.
And I really look up to him.
And when he is out there cracking the code, understanding how these systems truly work.
And he is kind of the computer guy's computer guy since he is the one that basically trains, you know, some of the best of the best, of the brightest out there through Texas AM.
And they want to sit there and besmirch him to say he's an election denier.
And the reality is that because Microsoft sucks so bad is a reason why I have a job because I'm out there fixing all of the other programs to get them to talk to each other.
And so if Microsoft didn't suck so much, I wouldn't have a job.
So thank you, Microsoft, for being so terrible at what you do in securing systems that people like me are out there trying to help protect them.
But I'm even telling you as a computer professional, walk away from these things.
They're not securable.
And the reality is that in the middle of a disaster recovery, what do you have to do?
You have to hand count anyways.
So if the disaster recovery is cheaper than the primary processes, your disaster recovery should actually be your primary process.
And especially as you point out at the precinct level, and if you want to restore trust, I mean, let's just simply ask you: with all the cases that you have filed, do you know what's on line five of the source code?
Don't worry, I don't know either.
And you're never going to find out, you know, unless you do a source code audit of the systems, which we're trying to do.
And we're, you know, so support us over at uscase.org to support us in doing a source code audit of Dominion and ESNS.
But the reality, you're right.
We have to go back to the original intent of our founding fathers where they didn't have the equipment.
And for well over 150 years, our country operated just fine, hand counting.
Now, were there election issues back then?
Of course, cheaters still cheat.
But when we start creating another whole vector of programming mistakes, intentional black boxing and secrecy, I'm sorry, you just destroyed more trust in the elections.
And so you're on point where if I'm going to have ballot secrecy, I need to protect from both the analog and the digital ways of securing my elections.
And why should I look at trying to secure two ways when I can just focus on analog?
Yeah, I can get rid of that.
Yeah.
I'm trying to do the easiest thing because you know what?
Most judges and most other people, they're not tech people.
So if I just make it as easy and I say, hey, you know, I have a copy of your ballot.
I don't think I should.
Do you?
Because if I have it, I am a lawyer.
I'm just doing the analog thing, right?
Anyone can do it.
That's a problem, right?
So maybe let's bring it back to in-precinct where we can't do that.
And once you're in precinct, okay, we can audit this thing.
This is easy.
And there's something even from our founding fathers back to Patrick Henry who said auditability trumps secrecy.
So when you start saying, oh, we're going to protect the secrecy of the ballot.
Oh, it's such an important thing.
Let's start finding ways that you can't audit.
Well, you've just, the whole purpose is done away with.
I mean, it's so so basically, what do we do with legislators?
Hopefully you get guys like State Senator Bob Hall here who filed a bill.
And it's not really filing a bill about, oh, how do we make new laws?
It's really about the laws are on the book.
I guarantee you in probably a lot of the states like Texas, it gives you the method of hand counting ballots.
I mean, that's just, you do it by ballot, by precinct.
And what you do is you eliminate these opt-ins, these options to do countywide voting, to use electronic voting systems.
Just eliminate it.
And that's how you clean it up.
Now you get, we're still waiting on a companion bill from the Texas House.
We have one in the Senate.
So we're looking.
So hopefully someone will join in.
And I think we will.
We'll have one.
But in the meantime, I'm going to court.
And you're coming with me, Rick.
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Yeah.
And Michael Lindell has been, if it weren't for Mike Lindell, I mean, no one right now would be taking election security, you know, like we are.
You're absolutely right.
If it wasn't for Mike Lindell, I wouldn't have been there at the last symposium down there in Missouri to meet so many great people that out of it comes USCase.org, where we develop the election gold standard white paper that's available on our website where we talk about hand counting.
We developed a hand count method with downloadable sheets that are non-proprietary that you can download and take it to the next generation so it fits your county and your precincts for hand counting, even your state convention, you can use it there.
And the beauty of this is, thank God for people like you.
Thank God for great patriots like yourself.
Happy Hanukkah, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year to all of the great patriots out there.
Everybody, please praise God.
And I will make a commitment to everyone that right now we are working in these states.
But now as of tonight, I'm committed to help now the state of Texas with U.S. Case to be able to help initiate good legislative policies across the United States.
So if you need help, check out uscase.org and hopefully there's some good materials for you.