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Tonight's news, it's a little bit off of the elections, but I did actually go through the porculus spending bill, and it was actually incredible that luckily the first bill failed.
But you can see the stack there from 1,500 pages to under 200 pages with the new bill.
That also failed tonight, just about a couple of hours ago.
Chuck Schumer is there celebrating because he would prefer to have that porculus.
It is actually pretty disgusting.
And so we are inching closer to the possibility of a shutdown with the deadline coming at the end of business on Friday.
And so with this bill, it needed two-thirds of the House chambers to pass, but it failed because even the Democrats weren't going to support it, but then 38 of the GOP lawmakers bucked Trump to oppose it.
You know, what's interesting about this is that if we actually look at this, the next group of legislators coming in, the Republicans have a smaller majority.
So if we're running into problems like this, is this a forecast of things to come?
In breaking news in Minnesota, the candidates had a trial today regarding this case where, you know, 20 votes were thrown away and the vote separation is 14.
The judge will take those next arguments from the two candidates on December 30th, and she will probably issue her decision no later than the first day of next year's legislative session.
In talking with one of the legislators, it's interesting that Minnesota has this weird gap going on, that January 3rd is the end of the current legislative session, and then we have to wait until January 14th for the new legislature to be sworn in.
And so under the emergency provisions given to the governor under pre-COVID and then through COVID, I think there could be some additional gamesmanship going on.
I will be talking with the team tomorrow, kind of behind the scenes.
We're looking at some additional data.
And so I will have additional reports possibly regarding this case coming out of Minnesota.
But tonight is a little bit different format.
And I want to bring on basically three of our great activists out there: Jill Kaufman from Wyoming, Laura Scharr from South Carolina, and Hawai Lauden from Ohio.
And you have seen three of these great ladies before on the shows that I have subbed in.
And what I wanted to kind of go over tonight with these three activists is to basically kind of talk about openly some of the successes and challenges as we look at 2025's legislative session and kind of give the audience out there a little bit of expertise from our experience over past years on how successful we were in bringing legislation to our legislatures and then being able.
able to go through that committee process and then seeing how the bills either succeed or fail.
And part of that is kind of talking a little bit about behind the scenes of the legislative process and to kind of help you guys start now working on it.
And so Jill and I have been working on bills over the last week for Wyoming.
And Jill, we kind of learned some interesting things about Wyoming: that there's kind of this tier approach, and there's even battles within the parties themselves.
So everybody would think Wyoming is a completely red state, red governor, red secretary of state, red legislature.
What could be the problem?
You should just be able to charge forward and pass anything that a Republican would want.
And you should be supporting Donald J. Trump when he says Election Day is one day, paper ballots and hand counting.
So what's up?
What's the problem and what's the dynamics in Wyoming?
Oh, it's pretty crazy.
And first of all, thank you very much for having me on and to be side by side with these great gals.
I'm humbled to be on here with them because they're great activists in their state.
So, but oh boy, Wyoming is quite crazy right now.
We have a freedom caucus that there's there's a there's a huge set of people in the freedom caucus that are absolutely 100% for the mandate and for Donald Trump and so on and so forth.
But yet we have a little bit of the other side that's just not quite all on board.
And where we're finding this kind of split is when Trump is active or is actively in the mandate, I believe, asking to remove the machines.
And we are asking for that also.
We put in, I put in what's called myself and a gal named Cheryl Aguar.
She's in another county who put together this bill and we put it in what we call the Moab.
It's the mother of all bills, of course.
And we take our whole Title 22 and we're trying to give that to our legislature so that they can actually see the whole situation of removing the system.
And along with adding the hand counting and the details of that, I have an absolutely phenomenal representative working with me.
His name is Representative Scott Smith and he's out of Goshen County.
And I'm so grateful for him to be stepping up to this.
And he is very willing to put it on the floor and so on and so forth with that.
And I'm just a newbie on these bills and stuff like that.
So I'm grateful for any information with Cheryl's help and absolutely your help on with these bills.
We also are putting in some bills that are in case they don't want to pass the hand counting, which is the tenor that's coming on with the most of the legislatures.
It's just infuriating because we had a lot of fraud and problems in our state of Wyoming.
Again, the red state of Wyoming had problems, and we can prove that through the grace of God with Rick watching and going through all our logic and accuracy tests and so on.
So, that is what we're working on: we're putting on some other bills, like for instance, to change canvassing board timing, to change, let's see, post-election audit.
We're asking for 100% post-election audit.
And then, also with that post-election audit, the results from that hand count and do it hand counting.
Those results will be the certified, so the certified amount that we officially post for the election results.
We're also asking for if we don't have antivirus or windows update within 90 days to 60 days prior to an election, then that totally decertifies the election and we have to go to a hand count.
So, we're just putting together a few of them.
I don't mean to keep going on, but I am just so excited about putting all types of levels of bills in to help Wyoming.
So, and thank you, Rick, for helping as well.
No problem.
Now, Hava, you kind of forecasted how Ohio used to be in the position where Texas just found themselves in to where they've just now voted in the red state of Texas a speaker that's a Democrat.
And so, now you here we are with your home state where the vice president comes from.
You would think your state would be energized to go with Trump's plan and JD Vance's plan.
What's the political makeup in Ohio?
And what do you see as some potential landmines in Ohio?
Yeah, so we just came through two years of in two years ago, 22 Republicans came out of caucus and voted with the Democrats to elect the speaker.
So, the last two years has in some ways felt kind of like the Ling Duck session because obviously, you know, the Speaker of the House was kind of controlling a lot of the agenda.
And then, some of the other representatives, anytime you would go to them or ask about something, it was always like, Well, we can't because of the speaker type thing.
I mean, that's kind of what it felt like.
And there was just so much conflict there that it was hard to kind of get past that.
So, it was a little difficult at times to really tell like what, you know, what people's positions were on things versus what it would be if we had a different speaker.
So, we're just coming out of that.
Now, for some reason, we ended up electing the Senate president because we do have term limits here in Ohio.
So, he was turned out of the Senate.
And so, now he moved to the House and got elected as Senate president.
So, that gives us a little indication of, you know, where we're going with some of these things.
He wasn't great on medical freedom.
And so, there's definitely some concern with that.
Specifically, on election stuff, Rick, it was kind of funny because, you know, I told you a little bit of what's going on in Ohio and with the legislation.
So, I just want to give a really kind of a warning to states that are working on legislation to think through this because sometimes things can seem one way and they're not.
So, one very good example is we pass, you know, voter ID.
And so, that's a big deal.
Like, it's just lauded countrywide.
But here's the reality: it's only for in-person on election day voting.
And we all know, if you know anything about election integrity, that the most likely place for fraud is mail-in ballot.
It's basically easy to vote, mail-in ballots, register to vote, and then vote with a mail-in ballot, you know, with the last four of your social or your driver's license.
And so, the voter ID law does nothing to stop that.
So, it looks really good.
And it is good.
Like, people should have to show voter ID when they go to the polls.
But, how much does it actually really do in stopping a fraud?
In reality, is it totally leaves a hole where that is very more likely to occur?
So, this is a pattern that I see happening in Ohio a lot.
Last year, some of the grassroots groups were working on a bill.
And they, you know, there were some great people involved in it.
I personally did not get involved because I am kind of at the point where I'm not really investing in any election reform unless it moves it toward the people.
So, in this case, like, you know, they were encouraging higher security standards, which we absolutely need.
I'm not against that at all.
I'm for that.
But that's not enough because even high security standards, the machines are still vulnerable.
And then they were also wanting, you know, some third-party input into the election voter roles and that type of thing.
And we know that third parties are one of the problems because third parties are rarely benign or without agenda or without being hand-picked, right?
And so it's like kind of like these NGOs or these corporate relationships with the government.
They actually end up doing really little good as far as oversight.
So I, and then there was one part in the bill.
So this is key is, and it was one of the reasons that was given to me why this bill should be put forward.
And that was that it would permit states to opt out of machines if they wanted to, like make that really clear and easy for them to do.
And I said immediately that bill will not, that part will be removed before the bill passes.
And of course, that's, you know, what happened.
And then after we talk today, Rick, I find out I want to give a shout out to Marcel Sturbich because he has really been watching this stuff.
And hey, this is the way his paragraph starts.
It says the legislator granted the non-transparent, unaccountable SOS appointed board of voting machine examiners a new title and more powers to self-audit the state's voting systems for certification without third-party independent security assessment review.
So, I mean, if Marcel is saying that this is a non-transparent thing, it's a non-transparent thing because I'm probably harder on that stuff than Marcel is.
And so it's a horrible bill.
And it passed out of the House with no pushback from Republicans.
It's a move toward like automatic updates from the BMV, just a whole bunch of things in this bill.
So that's what we're seeing going on in the state that is literally used nationwide as the gold standard of good quality elections.
Yikes, another Taco Bell is what it feels like.
So, Laura, you are from another red state, and you have a lot of great traditions, one of the original 13 colonies.
And so you are part of the original founding of how we conducted elections to kind of launch our country into where we're at today.
And so, in talking with you over the last few months, there's been a little bit of concern about your legislature and kind of the direction it would go.
Explain more about that.
Well, unfortunately, The mentality of our legislature for this legislative session is that elections are just not going to be a priority.
And they had passed something back in right after the 2020 election and 2021.
And they feel like, well, we did that.
And so we're good.
And we don't really need to address it anymore.
But they instituted early voting, which we all know is not the greatest thing if you want clean, accurate, verifiable elections.
We have a two-week early voting period.
They had some good things in the bill.
But as you know, Rick, we really want to move to the gold standard, which would be hand-counting, hand-marked paper ballots, one day of voting, which could be a state holiday or a federal holiday, minimize the absentee balloting.
We do to some extent in South Carolina, we can limit it further.
It just has to get back to basics, yet use today's somewhat technology, or at least the technology available to us, not computers.
But for example, we can take those ballots and we can have them recorded as they're being counted very publicly, fully observable by everybody.
And we can do that on secure paper.
And so there's no reason why we can't do it the way it was done many, many years ago.
It's cheaper.
It can be done in a very time-efficient manner.
I mean, we know that right now, many states, the counting is going on and on and on and on.
But just like Jill said, just like Jill said, we're not a real red state.
We claim we're a red state, but our legislature, even though there are a lot of people with ours next to them, they don't really vote consistently like you would see a conservative or expect a conservative legislature to vote.
So my concern for this session is we have a bill that we have introduced.
Our House Representative Rob Harris, who's also been a very good team member for South Carolina safe elections, introduced that.
And we would love to see that get passed.
We are going to need some pressure, not only from the bottom up, people are going to have to call all of their representatives and say, hey, and their senators and say, you need, we care about elections.
We want our elections to count.
We want our vote to count.
We also need top-down pressure.
So my feeling is once Trump gets into office, he really has to, you know, make it a priority to tell these states, because it is a state thing.
We want the states to conduct their elections.
The General Assemblies in each state are responsible for the manner and state of elections.
Now, the problem is we have a lot of federal laws that need to go, but we need the one thing we can get support from is the federal government is to say, hey, states, go back to hand-counted, paper ballots, and make sure it's people, paper, and pens, no electronics, no machines, paper poll books, paper ballots, hand marked, hand-counted, fully observable.
One day of voting.
Yeah, you're exactly right.
And so part of it is, and I'm so grateful for knowing all of you and having this nice little talk about kind of what's happening in our red states.
Now, my red state is a little bit of an enigma.
So we're a little bit lucky, and that's because I have a great partner and team in South Dakota Camin team, Jessica Palmea, and all of the great activists out there.
And now some of them have graduated to now be elected into the legislature.
And so we actually have 12 people between the House and Senate that are introducing bills from both sides of the chambers.
And we, Jessica and I, we met again today and got through another bill.
And what's interesting is you have to do a little bit of a SWOT analysis.
Number one, who are the friendlies?
Number two, who are the moderates that through education, you might be able to garner their vote or support?
And who are the folks who are just going to vote against you no matter what?
They're just ideologically, they don't like your personality, they don't care about the issue, et cetera.
So once you calculate that out and you find that you're close enough, then you can kind of break your bills into three segments.
The Moab bill, like what Jill has, which is the sledgehammer to just fix it all and be done with it.
Or you also have to have the backup plan.
If the Moab bill is not going to pass, what are some of the other cleanup things that you can do to kind of continue to move your state forward in a direction?
And that could be stricter oversight of security of the systems, post-election audit that is much more stringent.
Or in Wyoming's case, we found out that the county clerk has too much oversight of the elections.
And so we proposed a bill that removes the county clerk from the canvassing board and then instead puts two party representatives from both parties to be there.
And we leave them in a tie vote because there's a default rule in Wyoming statutes that if it ends in a tie, they have to have a new election.
And so there's stuff like that that we can kind of look at and garner.
And then there's kind of what I call the administrative cleanup bills that can clarify things.
But what's shocking is that when Jessica and I were going through the South Dakota absentee voting laws, we were shocked to kind of understand that, oh my gosh, they've been corrupting our absentee laws to allow in-person absentee voting when the statute clearly doesn't state that as an option.
It's supposed to be mailout ballots, and then you're supposed to drop it in.
But somehow they've opened up and staffed these positions to have 45 days of early voting.
And so that's something that has to be clarified.
The other thing that we have to look at too in all of the states is when we have violations of election laws, what's the legislature going to do to help us hold these people accountable?
So in all four of our states, we observed test decks that violated the state statutes in all four of our states, South Dakota, Ohio, South Carolina, and a complete disaster in Wyoming during the primary where all 23 counties failed and violated their own state laws and their own state laws.
We're going through a case right now, which is a learning lesson.
We find it disgusting that we find this violation in Laramie County.
She's still able to conduct the general election, still incorrectly, but the judge is so slow to take action that they're going to have a quote-unquote meeting on January 15th to schedule a time to have both councils out there to discuss sentencing.
And Jill, your legislature ends in February.
So you better believe I'm going to gamble that they're going to try and make sure that this meeting happens in March so the legislature has no idea of these violations so that they don't take corrective action.
Well, I believe it's just another one of the delay tactics or put things off or just be unattentive to elections.
And it's really frustrating because in this Laramie County situation, it's a blatant felony and she's did so much wrong.
What she did in our elections is we did the test decks on the DS-200s, but yet all the public could only run on the express vote.
And they were not tested.
So we had a major problem on that.
And she's basically flipping her nose at what's going on in this civil or this lawsuit that's going on.
And then it's even more frustrating when we find out this, that, oh, we have a meeting to think about what we're going to do on the 15th of January.
It is just beyond frustrating.
And this started back in August when our primary was going on.
Yeah.
And so, you know, when we talk about people say that we're election deniers.
No, we are election sentinels, if you will, that we're looking at the law and making sure that they're trying to follow it.
And we're trying to understand the law so that we can figure out where can we have a role to help our election officials conduct the elections to make sure that there's transparency.
So, Laura, you have an interesting third-party vendor that is able to sit there and view the cast vote records, but yet somehow you have affidavits from election officials saying that the cast vote records exist.
So, how did the third-party vendor review the cast vote records and then publish the report?
It's just a shell game.
Whenever you ask questions, they just claim that they have no knowledge.
They don't know what they are, how to produce them, don't understand what they are, blah, blah, blah.
But meanwhile, they all had to take training.
Every one of these people had to take, so for the people that were watching, we had sued our state election commission because we wanted to get cast vote records, which are transparent, transparent.
It's basically a transparency measure.
You can look at the ballot images and look at the spreadsheet of how those ballot images came in in relative order and basically just look at if the vote, how the vote was counted, and just check it against what was recorded.
And so it's a great way to verify the election.
So when we asked questions in our discovery documents, the election officials basically claimed ignorance.
We don't know what they are.
What's the meaning of is?
What's the meaning of this is?
But they were just absolute conflagration.
And so we then realized that they had all been trained.
Every one of those county representatives had been trained to export the very things we were asking for, cast vote records, and send them off to a company to do a virtual account of our elections.
So they know that what they are, they're utilizing them.
They're sending out to third parties.
But when we had a public records request as concerned citizens who just wanted to know how our vote was counted, we were not allowed access to that.
And so it's very frustrating.
But, you know, Rick, it goes back to what you stated, and that is that you can have all the best laws out there, rules and regulations.
But if they don't, if you're not following them and no one's holding anyone accountable, they're all for naught.
And similarly, if these laws are not drawn up and they're not for the people, then they're bad laws.
And if you have a very centralized system, which we have in South Carolina, that also is not necessarily a good idea because it's basically concentrating a lot of power and decisions at the top.
And that does not, I mean, I'm a conservative.
I like decentralization.
And I think that also fosters innovation.
And so that's the beauty of going to people, paper, and pens.
It becomes far simpler.
It's easier to execute.
It means that you have an easier standard operating procedure that you can train and institute for all of the counties.
And so these little mishaps that you're talking about, these logic and accuracy testings go away and they're flawed.
We know that almost every county, I would venture to guess almost every county in the United States does these incorrectly.
And so we have no confirmation that these machines are actually accurate.
And so that's just one piece.
That just simply goes away if we go to paper, pens, and paper.
People, pens, and paper.
And so I think that's just something we need to ponder.
The system has gotten so complicated.
Who are the poll workers?
The poll workers tend to be elderly females.
They don't have the sophistication to understand how all these pieces of equipment work.
And they're not IT professionals.
There are going to be mistakes that happen.
You know, in South Carolina, we have people that are hourly workers for the, they're just hired for the elections.
They're not intimate with these, the process or the equipment.
They're not knowledgeable.
If we go to a simpler method of doing elections, which we all advocate, the people, paper, pens, hand-counted, hand, march, paper, ballots, a lot of these problems go away.
And the laws are not as, you know, they're simpler and they're not as, we don't have to have these voluminous laws either.
You're absolutely right.
The KISS principle is really needed here.
And I think that's kind of the beauty of Trump's message of trying to keep things simple.
One of the things that we're looking at in South Dakota and I was able to talk to Senator Piske about, and he was asking some pretty good questions about it.
We are introducing a bill to make Election Day a holiday.
And hearing from some of the county auditors, it's hard to get schools in November to be available for election locations.
Now, in our primaries, it's fine because they're in June and schools closed.
So it's a lot easier.
And also to try and get more people to volunteer, but also to have oversight of the elections and also become election workers.
It would be easier if the government was basically closed.
The other thing, too, is that we have too many cities and counties that are holding meetings on Election Day.
Thus, they're basically removing some of the facility areas that are the biggest areas where they could conduct the elections and not making it available for the elections teams.
And so this was a good conversation to have with Senator Piskey.
And now he's encouraged to consider the bill and potentially bring it forward to have discussions.
And I would encourage every state to look at this to find out, is it right for your state to potentially look at having Election Day as a holiday?
We hear it throughout the grassroots.
We hear it on both Democrats and Republicans and even Independents wishing that they could have the whole day off because sometimes their employer prevents them from having enough time to be able to get out and vote and to be able to fully participate in the election system.
And so I think these and other discussions are going to be so important as we go towards the next legislative session.
And so Hava, when you look at JD Vance's home state and you look at What you've just pointed out for absentee voting, this is a glaring area that I think all states need to look at is when we have these quote-unquote voter ID states, are they truly voter ID?
When we look at absentee and mail-in balloting, you are right because there are so many factors of fraud that can happen there.
What's your advice to other states to kind of as a checklist of what you would recommend for absentee voting?
You've got South Carolina that's reduced to two weeks, it sounds like.
What are some other ideas?
Well, I want to touch if it's okay back on to some of something that Jill was saying with the Secretary of State.
Because one of the other things that I'm seeing happen in Ohio, and this is something to watch out for nationally, is, you know, our Constitution says the legislator is supposed to decide the man's demeanor and the manner, means, and time of the election.
And what we're doing in Ohio is we're literally legislating that over to the Secretary of State.
I can't remember right off the top of my head what it was, but there was an issue that came up and it wasn't like directly addressed in our code.
And but there was concern about what the Secretary of State did.
And I said, you know what, they've already given this authority to the Secretary of State.
And that's one of the things that I have tried, I personally have opposed in the last couple of years is legislation that like reinforces, you know, because the Secretary of State, like in Ohio, and I think a lot of them, they're really tasked now with the investigation of election issues.
And how does like in some sense that makes sense, like maybe at a county or something level, but at another level, how does an agency investigate itself?
And then the attorney general's office represents the Secretary of State.
The county prosecutors represent the boards of elections.
And even the local law enforcement represent the election officials.
And so when you have that kind of system all the way through, like who represents the people?
And we have a county here in Ohio.
And I think sometimes you can get just right to the root of things when you see how they respond to issues like this.
But we have a county in Ohio that they got together, they got the people, they were working on the plan.
They said, we want to hand count our ballots.
And it's just stonewalled from, you know, the Secretary of State's office.
And so you have to ask why, because really the only, you know, pushback that people can come up with for that is, oh, we don't have the people or it'll take too long.
And when you literally come and say, no, we do, but they still don't want you to do it, then you'll really have to ask, why are they stonewalling that?
As far as the absentees go, I was on the ballot in 16 counties in our general election, and I was running for State Board of Education.
And I lost, like significantly lost.
And it was just very puzzling to us because we didn't know why.
Here's the thing, it was a nonpartisan race, right?
And so I did some investigation because I wanted to see.
It turns out that I lost because of my name, which I think is kind of hilarious because I really, it really like, so I want to just say, like, some of the counties were, you know, really good to work with.
I was literally able to look at the ballots and see who, like, they were DS200.
So they were ESNS ballots.
I could see like the markings on the ballot and I could see that, you know, their count was correct according to those ballots.
And it kind of really, you know, landed with me when I would see people voting for Kamala and voting for me.
I'm like, yeah, they just had no freaking clue.
But here's the thing.
I did my own precinct or sorry, not my own precinct because my precinct voted for me, but a local precinct.
And I was shocked because I just saw ballot after ballot Democrat ballot, and it just didn't seem right for my area.
Now, it's possible we have some new development, but here was the thing, Rick, and we talked about this earlier today.
I could not tell.
There was a lot of absentee ballots.
An absentee in Ohio, like the ballot, like the reports are marked whether they're mail or in person, but I could not tell by looking at the ballot if it was a mail-in ballot.
And so here's where I had zero idea: was that ballot sent by a legitimate voter?
You know, and so there was no way to verify that.
I could verify that they counted the votes correctly of the ballots they received, but I could not verify that was set by a legitimate voter.
And once ballot enters the stream, there is no way to verify that because we need voter privacy.
So what needs to happen is we need to have that very, very strict registration process where people are not on our rolls that are not active voters in the location that they are voting.
So those are things that you definitely need to look at.
We outlined a lot of that in the gold standard elections paper.
So you can get that at goldstandardelections.com.
We kind of explained a lot of the territory of that and options for that.
But that's incredibly important because once the voters in the stream, that's what happens.
We also address the early voting.
Voting is, we don't have a right to an easy vote.
We have a right to an honest vote.
So mail-in should not really be happening at all, except maybe in extremely limited circumstances where there is, you know, a verified reason for it.
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Welcome back.
Rick Weibel here here with Laura Scharr, Jill Kaufman, and Hava Louden.
Course, when we're talking about elections, I kind of have fun with Hava because we are Hava compliant because we have Hava with us.
And so, anybody that wants to say that we're election deniers, no, we are 100% completely Hava compliant.
And so, hopefully, Hava approves of this message and that we are trying to give general guidance for all of the patriots out there that you can kind of see, even just in red states, we actually have a problem when it comes to election integrity and trying to work with our legislators to try and get, I guess, just the KISS principle even enacted.
And so, the MOAB bills that are out there, even in South Dakota, we're looking at trying to get rid of the tabulators, potentially even Hava.
You even brought up another excellent point that I don't want to bypass here.
We actually have a bill out there trying to eliminate the state board of elections, another group that somehow has management of this.
And so, you were really close on the line there when you talk about the U.S. Constitution that gives the legislatures the responsibility for the time, place, and manner of the elections.
And let's take a step back and really analyze this.
Those legislatures are supposed to be the people's house.
And how dare they give the authority to an unelected state board of elections?
How dare they give it to a secretary of state out of the executive committee?
And so, I'm not sure if you agree with me there, but I'm reading your sentiment, and it really kind of hit me hard: like those bastards, how dare you give away our right to the elections and for us to be able to talk to you about the necessary reforms?
How dare you create these additional hurdles?
All right, I'm off the soapbox.
So, ladies, what do you think about that?
What Hava had brought up?
Is that something that we need to go back to the KISS principle and go to the legislatures and say, You sold us out?
Stop it.
I'm all for it.
I mean, we were in a very similar situation in South Carolina.
We do not have one person in our state that is involved in elections who's elected.
Not one.
We have an appointed board of directors, or you know, the South Carolina state election board of five people.
And then we have multiple boards at the county level, all appointed.
So, and then you have some salary positions at the county, but there's not one person who's elected who's involved with elections.
And that just your secretary of state isn't elected.
He is, but he has no role at all, except for just stamping, like rubber stamping.
Okay, they all told me this is what they did, so I'm just going to sign it.
He literally has no role in the election process.
And so, so our situation is a little different here because we, our secretary of state is elected, it's not, he's not appointed right now.
Um, however, even with that, and he does um oversee elections, like he's fairly involved.
My problem is the uh amount of authority they're handing out.
Oh, it's a ton, and that's why I said the centralization is my issue.
And I would like to see, like Rick said, it needs to be for the people, by the people.
It needs to be more centralized, give us back to the local level.
Our precinct should have more control over elections where we know all the people.
The people that live in the precinct are working the elections, they can see the process, they can feel comfortable about the process.
When you take, when you rust the control away from the local people and you put it in the hands of a single director of a board who makes all the decisions and just tells everybody what to do at the county level, and then you also take a lot of the functions and then you basically send them out to third parties, which you mentioned, Hava, we're just distancing ourselves more and more from the nuts and bolts of our elections.
And yet we're also being told, just trust us.
So I got a problem with that.
I'd rather have an elective position.
Yeah, well, I struggle with a lot.
Both situations we're finding, you know, we have an elected Secretary of State, elected officials, but we find that they do statutorily minimum is what their big deal when they talk to us is we're going to do statutorily minimum, but then when they choose to need different things, they'll break the statute and it's all okay.
So we have great statutes in our in our state, but we're not following them.
So that's why I've talked with some of the legislatures and I've talked with them and said, you know, show me why making new bills other than getting rid of all these machines would be an advantage to having anything in our elections because you're not following the laws that are on the books right now.
And they all just say, oh, you know, we'll get better laws.
We'll get them on the books and so on and so forth.
To me, it's just a dog and pony show.
And I'm sad by it because, as you're saying, it's getting further and further away from the people.
And the people need to be in charge of their own elections.
And in our state, it's supposed to be, well, it's supposed to be the people that are in charge of it.
And we are sadly not.
It's run by a clerk and the Secretary of State.
And back to something one of you gals said was about we have the government auditing the government to see if the government did make a mistake.
Oh my gosh.
That's not an audit.
That's not an audit.
It is absolutely not an audit.
It's a joke, is what it is.
So we need to clean that up now.
You're exactly right.
Points well taken.
And so, Hava, you didn't realize that your statement before the break would kind of let off a little bit of a firestorm.
But I kind of want to, I think it was such a great statement by you that I think we have to reignite people's view of government.
And so when I look at our state model, it clearly says under God, the people rule.
And so in South Dakota, do we take that seriously or not?
And so other states, your models out there may guide you to this, that you need to take control of your government.
And it is our responsibility.
And we have damaged our republic by allowing this slow trickle and this abuse of power and this disregard and neglect, where we need the legislatures to be responsible for the elections and stop all of this waste and all of this complication and stop deferring to others.
Put your boots on, put on your big boy and girl pants, and let's legislate a simpler process to where we have transparency and restore the trust in our elections.
I think that's the simple message that we have to relay to all of the states.
Your thoughts?
Yeah, I agree.
And just to, I'm going to expand this just a minute.
I spent a lot of a fair amount of time interacting with boards of elections the last couple of months.
And What was what struck me was the fact that they don't know.
So, someone said earlier that a lot of these election workers were just hired for the day.
They're older people.
And while that's true, what's even worse is the election officials that literally are full-time employees in the election boards, they also don't know what's happening.
In fact, I've mentioned this to you all before.
Our Secretary of State has publicly stated this: that the election officials are not equipped to run our machines.
And so I'm literally at my board of elections and they do a great job.
So here, I cannot say that they don't follow the law like you have out there in Wyoming, Jill.
Like, I don't have that going on that a lot that I know of, for the most part.
But here's what is going on: you know, I went in to get logic and accuracy testing and like a few different reports.
I literally stood in the board for, well, I was there for about an hour, but like for 20 minutes or something, the director was on the phone with tech support.
And because the tech support is who had come out to program the machines, and he did not know how to pull the reports.
And so he had to call into tech support to get the reports that I was requesting.
And I looked at the assistant director, who is amazing, and I looked at her and I said, Nikki, this is my problem.
I trust you, but you're not the one overseeing this election.
That IT guy is.
And I said, who is the IT guy?
Does he work for the vendor?
And she's like, no, he has a private, you know, he works for private, but he used to work for, and she named the vendor of the equipment that we used.
So that's, you know, just taking another step further.
Even our election officials, they're not running our elections.
Isn't that sad?
And it's depressing to hear that, isn't it?
It is so depressing.
It is so depressing.
And so we have to make a change here.
And I want to encourage.
So the first time that you guys talked to legislators, what was your experience?
And how do you what advice would you give to give to people to get over their fears?
I guess I just knew it was whole system and in election thing because my furthest thing from what I wanted to do is do anything into politics.
And I guess I'd just be myself and be very truthful with these politicians.
We have some good ones, but what I see, the longer that they're in, the more tainted they become.
So I am strong, strong support of shortening the legislature stay in this in there, whether it's the Senate or the House, because I see as they stay longer and longer, they become more tainted and more like the old status quo or good old boys club.
I don't know what you want to put a name on it, but it's pretty sad.
But I have, and I can't say I'm successful.
I just know that I speak truth and bring data in front of them and saying, you know, this, this, and this is what's happened.
At least when I talked to them about the legislature, you know, these accuracy LA testings were a failure.
This was a failure.
So just try to be truthful with them and get an answer back, but that sometimes that's not happening.
Perfect.
Well, we're getting close to the end of the show here.
I would like to invite all three of you back on tomorrow night if you are available, because I think there's more to talk about here that we can kind of give guidance, especially before the Christmas season, because the reality is these newly elected people are actually having meetings right now before they're sworn in, deciding committee assignments, reviewing bills,
and submitting bills to their legislative review board, whether that is an LRC, an LRO, any of these kind of word salad alphabets where they have an internal group of lawyers that go through the minds of legislators and then create these bills.
One of the things that we've been doing is actually taking control and writing the bills ourselves in their format and then submitting it.
So that way the Legislative Research Council see that we are serious about this and that we're actually looking at it.
And so this helps legislators with the bill and idea that they need.
They need to be spoon-fed.
And then secondly, you need to make sure that you're giving them talking points.
And then third, you need to make sure that you're available to testify for these bills as well.
And so those are kind of like the three takeaways I want to make sure that people have listening here on this program tonight.
And then tomorrow, let's actually deep dive in some of the bills that we would recommend out there, even if you can't get to paper ballots, if you can at least improve the systems that you have today.
With that, I want to thank all three of you ladies.
I want to thank the audience.
Those of you that are heading out early, happy Hanukkah, Merry Christmas.
And if you don't tune in tomorrow, that's okay.
It'll be on the website.
And I just want to thank everybody, including Apollo, who's behind the scenes here, managing all of the transitions.
Great job tonight.
Wonderful guy, especially with all the pressures of the studio move that is happening where he's at.
He always is so amazing.
Thank you, Mike Lindell, for allowing us to have this hour segment so that we can inform the rest of the country on some of the things on election integrity because the federal government isn't coming in on a white horse to solve it all.
The U.S. Constitution prohibits that.
And so we have to look at how we can fix it.
And we, the people, have to get in control.
And we have to ask our legislatures to pull up their pants, put on their boots, and take authority back.