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There's some great news coming up that we were going to have to review, but I also have two special guests on tonight, Joe Kaufman of Wyoming and Laura Scharr of South Carolina.
And tonight's show will be kind of looking ahead to the legislative agenda.
And some of you, we have to start now.
So I just want to put that out.
So this will be a good show for you.
First, kind of in the news recap of what's been happening out there, of course, we've got the Biden administration that everybody should be aware of now.
He pardoned his son, even though he had said multiple, well, he had said no, that he wasn't going to do that.
And then the, you know, Karine John Pierre just goes ahead and just gaslights the public after the reporter points out that Joe Biden lied about a Hunter Biden pardon.
And of course, that is one of the big news stories out there, the talk of the town.
And even the Democrats are having trouble with this because basically he lied.
He lied to the American public.
And so that whole argument is now put to rest.
And we all know exactly what it is.
Now, unfortunately, we still have poor Tina Peters out there.
And more information is coming out that apparently the Colorado officials that were persecuting and prosecuting Tina Peters worked for Dominion.
And so what is absolutely disgusting here is that we see all of these connecting dots out here.
And absolutely, Tina Peters needs to be released immediately.
And I really hope that her reputation can be restored because she was trying to actually protect the election records from being erased by Dominion.
And that is actually correct as to what she should be doing versus what we have the current Secretary of State doing out there in Colorado, releasing the passwords out on the internet.
But we find out after Peter sentencing last month to nine years in prison, new information has surfaced showing that Colorado officials were working for Dominion and run back while simultaneously orchestrating Peter's reputational and legal downfall through back channels.
And you can find at the Gateway Pundit some email documentation as well as additional articles.
There's a lot more coming out on that story.
Also, we see that the citizens of Shasta County, California declare a state of emergency demand certifiable election results.
And so this is also out of Orange County, California.
After weeks of counting, the conservative count up with the Five Crats and one Republican winning U.S. congressional seats.
And this is just absolutely disgusting.
We see the ballot harvesting, the drop boxes, the counting of ballots weeks after the election.
And so we just know that these elections are not certifiable and the people there absolutely know it.
And so stay tuned for additional repercussions on that.
Then we find out as kind of one of these early actions out there with Act Blue.
Last month, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton demanded a Department of Justice investigation into Act Blue after finding evidence of fraudulent donations being laundered through the organization.
I've had several activists also contact me regarding this as well.
Please send any information to your Attorney General, but also copy Ken Paxton's office.
But the FEC is also opening public comment to the potential rule change to thwart illegal campaign contributions after subpoenas and donation laundering from Ukraine and others.
And so this is the link that you can go to to actually start making that information available to them as well.
So if you found out that your name was also used, go ahead and comment in there, put that evidence in there, but also comment if you want to see stronger federal laws regarding some of the money that has been floating around Act Blue.
I'm going to say that there are also some conservative organizations that have issues as well.
And we are looking at it in South Dakota and other states are starting to look at it as well.
Now kind of taking a look, you know, just how sweeping is MAGA's mandate.
And this is where the left will generally say, well, you totally win the popular vote.
You're at 49.5% of the popular vote.
But the reality is when you look at the landmass area out there in all of the counties that Trump won, it is clear to see that this is better coverage than Verizon.
And so I want Washington to understand, can you hear us now?
Because apparently it's not happening.
Also, warning you in the past about Minnesota and some of their politicians, we see that the Democrat chair, Ken Martin of Minnesota, emerges as the early frontrunner in the race to lead Democrats nationally as the DNC chair.
He has been kind of a stalwart in Minnesota politics, where he has been there for over 20 years working on election wins and election law and everything else under the sun to help his candidates win.
He is not to be dismissed by any means.
This is one sharp cookie and just watch where he goes.
The other kind of back channel that we all missed earlier in the year, it was sort of mentioned, but I also want to remind you that another Minnesota native, the Secretary of State Steve Simon, is the president of the National Association of Secretary of States.
And so when he was elected during the summer at their kind of little convention that they had down there, I want you to just kind of look at the right-hand side there of some of the workshop sessions that they had there.
And this is supposed to be a nonpartisan group, but look at all of the things that they were working on.
This is well above nonpartisan.
And so I would really ask the Secretary of States of Republican states, what are you doing when you have the numbers?
How is it that a Democrat is leading the charge?
And especially when this is a Democrat from one of the states that has one of the weakest voter ID laws in the country.
Another breaking news piece for activists to get involved in is Tecember 10th, the EAC is actually hosting a post-election hearing.
And this is out of LA, California.
And you can actually attend online virtually to kind of see what they're going to be doing.
The agenda is there on the right-hand side of the screen.
And so this is where you're going to want to get involved with all things that they're looking at from the state election officials and also local election officials and kind of keep your mind engaged in this because they're going to be making some recommendations at the federal level.
And it's going to be so, so important that you understand where they are going, but also how it will potentially impact your local elections out there as well.
Now, kind of clarifying where we're at here for election results, we can see from last week that now the numbers for the national popular vote were for most of the election and afterwards, Trump had 50% or more of the vote.
And now he's dropped down to 49.9% because they kept counting all these ballots in to try and edge him away so that he couldn't have the 50% or 50 plus one.
So of course they're manipulating this and it's absolutely disgusting to see this.
Now we see that the Senate is pretty much locked in.
And then we also see that the House is one of the lowest Republican leads in U.S. history in modern times, where the GOP is 220 to 215.
So this means we can't have a bunch of people sick or going on vacations or other things.
So the Republicans are going to have to be unified in order to carry this legislation.
And so some of the things that I do want to take a look at here is we have to take a look at some of the post-election tasks now that the elections are over.
And there's actually quite a bit that we have to be working on.
And so there's still the election recounts that are happening in some cases.
There's election contests where elections are being contested, especially at the lower down ballot races.
And there's a potential for new elections in some of these contested elections, where even in Minnesota, there's a race, I believe in Scott County, where the race difference is 14 ballots.
They threw away 20 ballots.
And so what is the remedy going to be there?
Stay tuned for that case.
Then we also need you guys to start reviewing all those election notes that you've collected during this past election.
And you might have to start using that for election reforms and lobbying your legislatures to start looking at what can they do to help reform some of these elections.
And right now, with these changes in the legislatures across the United States, we have ship positions being filled, committee memberships being filled, and even some legislation coming out live right now.
And so the election reforms, I want to bring Laura Schar on so we can kind of talk about some of the election reforms.
And kind of while I do that in the back end, I'm going to see if I can get Jill Kaufman to join us as well.
But Laura, I'm going to kind of do a little sidewind here because there's an interesting thing that I think is so important that we kind of have to look at first.
And you and I were talking this afternoon about the Constitution.
Sometimes what we want to have happen creates a roadblock because there's a preceding document within our own states that kind of create an interesting dichotomy.
Let's look at your Constitution to where I believe it states, there's two pieces that we'll talk about tonight, but this one here regarding the registration of voters.
This one is completely interesting because it's not what expect.
I'll let you kind of take the lead from here.
Yeah, so thank you for having me first off, Rick.
So Article 2, Section 8 is a little bit of a conundrum for us because it states, as you have here, the General Assembly shall provide for the registration of voters for periods not less than 10 years in duration, which means that we need to have people registered for at least that point in time.
And it makes it tougher for us to clean the roles if you have these people on the books for 10 years.
So I wanted to go in there and actually say, hey, everybody needs to re-register every four years.
But what happened was they reminded me, this is what the Constitution here says in South Carolina.
Now, we also have a law on the books that says once someone's registered, they're registered like forever for life.
And so that's problematic.
What I would like to see, as I know you also believe, you know, in this as well, what we would like to see is that people are re-registering periodically.
For me, at least every four years, just because that tends to be a major election cycle.
Obviously, we can't do that given our constitution right now, but we can do something, and that is revalidate those people.
So there's no reason they could stay registered, but let's at least affirm that you are still eligible, that you still are within that county or within the state.
You still reside at that address.
You're not mentally incompetent.
You're not a felon, blah, blah, blah.
So at least if we revalidate, that would be a good thing.
Did I lose you, Rick?
Rick?
Hello?
Yeah.
Okay, that's wild.
I've never had them before.
But I'll try to, if I'm still on, I'll try to still fill the air.
So that's just one of the issues because we want to be able to go in and have legislation that will get rid of some of the issues that have created these ongoing counting of the ballots, for example, or the voter rolls that are stuffed with ineligible voters.
All those things that concern And they don't trust the system, those are things we want to address in legislation.
So, that's just one example: the constitutional conundrum.
If you want to go in there and have people re-register, yeah, that's exactly right.
And so, thanks for sharing that.
And you're one of the states that I highlighted in red, kind of on the national map, because there are significant improvements that could be made.
And so, the whole idea of kind of validating within that 10-year period, I think, is still absolutely allowed within your laws and the spirit of it, to where even the National Voting Rights Act allows us to kind of put voters from an active status and inactive status for a time inactive before the actual removal of the voter permanently.
And so, that was one of the great discussions that you and I had: well, could we allow this type of situation within your state statutes?
In talking with Jessica Palmea of South Dakota, we were even looking at we have that in South Dakota, but our laws are so bad that it's such a long time as well before we remove a voter or even do some of the checking.
And so, we're making recommendations to speed that process up a little bit, but also to do more validation.
Another thing is we're looking at CAS certification as well to allow the auditors to validate addresses before they accept those registrations as a part of it.
Because I think that's a new tool in the tool belt that the U.S. Postal Service has with some of its vendors that already do national change of address.
So, don't only just look at the people who've for the last three years of records, but also look at the current records to make sure that those addresses are to the U.S. Postal Service standard.
And this is good for states that are not mail-in, like you're not mail-in.
Minnesota is partially mail-in.
And then you have these western states like Washington and Oregon that are mail-out ballot type states, Northern California.
So, this is like step back because I don't most people don't know what CAS certification is.
But I think what the point that you're making is that if people just register and you don't know that they're living at a valid address, we had people when we did our canvassing, we had registered voters who were voting, who were voting from graveyards or registered at graveyards.
They were empty lots, vacant lots, commercial addresses that is not a domicile.
Our law says it has to be a domicile where someone actually returns at night to sleep and eat.
And those would not be correct domiciles.
And what you're, I guess, trying to say is that the CAS certification would then verify that this is in fact a proper residential address.
And you're right, that would take care of a lot of mess on our voter rolls.
Oh, Rick, we lost your volume.
Thank you.
Yeah, you're right.
And it was so crucial when we were doing investigations in so many states across the United States.
And not only us, but other activists that were looking at CAS certification, and even the folks over at Comerica and their database folks that were recommending this nationwide.
And that great team, as long as others, were kind of like helping election officials because we even helped election officials in other states that asked us, hey, I've got these addresses that are questionable.
Can you review them for us?
And we did.
So many volunteers across the United States helped auditors that wanted to know if these addresses were valid.
And we were able to give them a list, ones that were misprint numbers, ones that had incorrect streets, even address corrections for them to take a look at so they could validate it.
And so, this is one of the things that Jessica and I are going to be introducing in South Dakota to get this tool into our auditors' hands and our election officials here in South Dakota as one more tool to make sure that we know where people are actually physically registered.
But also, when it comes to mail out ballots, we want to make a pre-checking this to make sure that we're not dumping ballots into an unsecured area, you know, like a Denzibald.
That could be really scary.
Or at a free-for-all apartment lobby, the apartment numbers aren't on these ballots.
And so, the more that we can do to secure these ballots, and this is just one of those small pieces that we have to do.
And we may be stuck with some of these laws because you might be in a blue state that isn't going to shorten the absentee period, lessen the mail out ballots, but at least at a minimum, can you at least agree to do CAS certification at this point?
Exactly.
Yeah.
And so, as you've said before, I'm sorry, Rick, one thing I want to reiterate: something that you've mentioned before is it would be really nice if Trump, who's very serious about election reform, would start by getting rid of some of these federal bills, like the HAVA Act, because when you cut off those funds from the feds, then there won't be as many dollars for them to buy the machines.
We could get rid of the HAVA, the Help America Vote Act, which was instituted in 2002.
We could get rid of the National Voter Registration Act, which was instituted back in Clinton times.
And I think you've also talked about reworking or getting rid of Yua Cava.
And so, by doing that, you basically get rid of the fact that these are slippery ways that they quote unquote kind of federalized our elections.
Oh, yeah, that's exactly right.
And it's, and these legislatures need to start listening to what Trump is asking for, which is same-day voting, paper ballots, paper registration, all of these different pieces.
And next week, Jessica and I are going to be meeting with our activists.
And once we have the full meeting with them, we'll be releasing our election law recommendations so that the rest of the states can pick and choose some of those.
We are also recommending for South Dakota that we make Election Day a holiday for the even years.
And so, that's one of the reforms that we're going to go ahead and try introducing because I even had some mixed thoughts about it as well.
But when we look at some of the comments from some of our auditors in South Dakota, they even intimated that because the schools are in session, those areas for voting are not available.
And so, it conflicts with the schools.
The other thing that was an issue for the auditors is the ability to have people available to do hand counting, post-election audits, et cetera.
So, this is looking at Election Day to make sure that the auditors have more help available to them.
And so, I think that'll be an interesting key to see if other states will look at this as well.
That's what we want to do.
That's what we're proposing in our paper ballot bill.
We want one day of voting, paper ballots, and make that day a holiday so that people do evolve and they can take the time to do it.
And that's more convenient for them and more accessible for them.
Okay, perfect.
And that's actually absolutely such a good idea.
And I'm so glad we're not the only ones trying to do this as well.
And so I would encourage all state legislatures, please take a look at this.
Now, if we look at kind of the important thing here, which is the timeline of, oh my gosh, these legislatures, some of them have actually started.
I didn't realize this until I was working on the data already.
And here is the scary little thing here.
If I can get my PowerPoint to go here for you all.
So the two red states that we see there, they actually started in December and they're already up and running.
Then the rest of the yellow states or gold states, they start in Wary.
And then we see some of the green states that start in February.
And then the bluer states start in March or April.
And so this is important to understand is when does your legislative session start?
And here's the next messy one.
And I apologize for having this out here because it's so terrible.
And it's the length of the sessions.
So the red states, they're only in session for basically 60 days or less.
And so that is such a tight timeline.
And so I'm in one of those states, South Dakota.
I'm also helping out Jill Kaufman out in Wyoming.
And then your neighbor to the north and that little line of states there, they're also a short timeline compared to your state, which is in that five-month category.
And so that's just absolutely stunning.
And I didn't realize that across the country, we have a lot of states that have that three to four month period for legislation to get done.
But even so many of them just at that two-month length.
There is a nice little chart here that I was able to grab from StateNet.
And this actually shows the start of each legislative session and kind of the ending of each legislative session.
But I'm going to pre-warn all of you right now that to bring a bill in the last month of your legislative session and get it introduced into committee and to even get it considered or even passed.
Doesn't work that way.
And that's kind of the scary part of all of this.
And so as we look at the next set of states that come in here as well, so those of you at home, you can certainly pause this and then look up your state and kind of see when they actually commence, when they end, do they have carryovers?
And then just the estimated bill volumes that they have from the previous session is kind of a comparison.
But here's the reality.
You know, here we are in South Dakota and we already have our committees being formed already.
And so here's that press release from November 25th.
Oh, yeah, right before Thanksgiving.
And then we even see in Wyoming, they have bills already submitted here on December 2nd, December 4th.
You know, and that's an early state that is just absolutely off the rails, already going.
And that is just absolutely surprising to see where they're at.
Now, when we look at voter ID improvements, your state is one of those.
Minnesota is one.
Illinois, this is something that we have to come to terms with.
And especially when we look at even national popular vote, these are the states that were invested in the national popular vote.
When we look at these same states, this is where they rank when it comes to voter ID.
We take that previous slide and look at that.
All of the national ID states aren't good.
Sorry, all the national popular vote states are terrible when it comes to voter ID.
And when we take a look at the Trump win here, I'm going to ask these national popular state votes right now that all voted for Kamala Harris.
Do you realize that if your law was enacted right now, that your votes would have to go to Trump?
And this is what the outcome of the election would have been, 521 to 17.
So are they now willing to back away?
I think the issue there, too, is those, what really should be irritating to every American is that these states, some of them, the mail-in states in particularly, where you had just thousands, tens of thousands of mail-in ballots coming in that they had to process.
And then, of course, they state, well, that's going to take us weeks to count.
And oh, we won't know who the winner is.
And that's with machine, but they have to process the absentee ballots and then they tabulate them.
Well, I know that in other countries, they can count these absent these ballots that are paper in one day.
So that should irritate every American that is taking several weeks, if not a month, to count ballots.
And if that's primarily because it's a mail-in state or they have too many absentee ballots, then that needs to be addressed with legislation.
That is just not right.
You can't just keep counting and counting and counting.
And, you know, you can't necessarily sit there and monitor that 24-7 when it's going on for a month.
It's hard to get people to cover that.
So there are chain of custody issues.
There's surveillance issues.
There's transparency issues.
It's just a mess.
We have to minimize the mail-in voting and the absentee voting.
And we need to have a law that says you finish counting on election day by midnight.
Yeah, I agree.
And there's something else I want to point out regarding your Constitution that we were reviewing together in the past.
And so when we're talking about the counting of ballots, not to put you on the spot, but I want to put your legislature on the spot.
So I'm going to ask you three questions.
Number one, were you aware of and did you accept the contract that your votes were going to be counted in secret?
Never.
I mean, that's not part of the Constitution.
No, that's a big factor.
No.
And no, a citizen in South Carolina would accept that.
But for some reason, not only does the state of South Carolina and their election commission think that it's okay that our ballots are counted in secret, we are not allowed to observe any part of the process.
Even when they're doing the hand count audits, we are not allowed to see the ballots.
Even when they're processing the absentee ballots, we are not allowed to physically see those ballots.
Like, oh, no, no, no, you can't see the ballot.
They're private.
It's secret.
No, the ballot is only secret in the casting part, not the counting part.
Yeah, and see, this is what's interesting because it's really clear that all elections by the people shall be by secret ballot, but the ballots should not be counted in secret.
So nobody is inside the machine watching how the machine is secretly counting the ballots because you don't have access to the source code.
You don't have access to the cast vote records.
You don't have access to understand.
Whereas when you hand count and everybody is there, you can actually see and ascertain how the vote is being constructed and how each ballot is being interpreted.
Yeah.
These machines, I don't know how they exist in your state.
Well, it's so true.
And really, it is unconstitutional, in my opinion.
And you know, part of our gold standard white paper that we've developed that looks at here's the ideal system, here's how you do it right.
We do four cornerstones that really should be looked at in order to have the optimal voting system.
And that is accessible, secure, transparent, and verifiable.
And with a black box computerized system, you do not have transparency.
You certainly don't have verifiability.
The security aspect is even in question because the chain of custody of all the components of that system and the fact that you have a central count versus individual precincts and you don't even get me started on vote centers where you're commingling all the ballots.
And also, to me, that doesn't necessarily mean it's more accessible for people either, just because you go to computers.
It's not even necessarily more convenient because we find that when you institute early voting, it doesn't necessarily increase turnout.
Well, you're absolutely right.
And we have a good friend, Beth Beasel, out of Texas.
And I've been involved in a couple cases and kind of watching the media there out of Dallas County.
And you're exactly right.
When some of these electronic poll pads were used and then they're used to print the ballots, wrong ballots were handed to people because election officials were not patient enough to wait for the ballot to come out.
There were long delays, issues.
All of that just introduced additional vectors that I don't think these election officials and volunteers are prepared to deal with.
And we see that with the election official out of Dallas, Texas, to where he's blaming the equipment.
But the reality is ultimately it's your responsibility to make sure that we don't have any issues.
And yet we still had all these failures in the election.
And that's really important.
We need to get back to basics and make it simple.
You know, that expression, kiss it, keep it simple, stupid.
We need to go back to the age-old system of counting dots on a paper at the precinct level on one day where the people can all observe.
Exactly.
So when we come back, let's talk more specifics on some of the legislation and kind of the future direction of the white paper.
And I apologize that we were unable to get Jill Kaufman on tonight.
We'll get her on next week.
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Welcome back.
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And we're talking about the things that we need to do.
We just can't rest on our laurels thinking that Trump won and everything's going to be fixed.
Well, Trump is counting on each one of us to be able to take local action to our cities, our counties, our state, but even to our U.S. congressmen and women, as well as our senators, to ask for election reforms because there are all of these different layers of the onion that have to be conquered, unpeeled, and investigated.
Yeah, some of us are going to cry when we see what's actually underneath that underbelly of the onion, but don't worry, we've got the tools to make it a little bit easier on you.
And the gold standard white paper that Laura is co-author of can be found at uscase.org and in there gives you some basic principles of the four areas that you should be looking at and evaluating.
Another area that I want us to really kind of hone in in is in 2005, the United States Election Assistance Commission really wrote one of the most important statements that is in their EAC manual.
And what it says in there is this statement.
And you should take this screenshot and make sure that your legislatures understand this.
And because they stated, it is well known that deficient election management and administration procedures can have just as much impact on the enfranchisement of voters and the outcome of elections as the functioning of the voting machines.
The overall integrity of the election process depends on both of these elements working together.
So Laura, I want to ask, do you know anybody in your circle of friends or influence that doesn't feel like their vote counts?
Yeah, of course, there are many.
I mean, there are people that are walking through as they vote and they put their ballot in and they're like, yeah, I don't even know if that's really going to count.
And of course, when there's glitchy machines, when you go into press and it flips to another name, it gives you pause, right?
And I think what you're really digging into there, Rick, is the issue that we have these laws on the books.
We have the infrastructure.
But in order to really implement a properly run election, you need accountability.
You need to follow those rules.
You need to have good operating processes and procedures that you adhere to.
You train your people in.
And what we see, I think, across the nation from state to state, county to county, precinct to precinct, is there's just not because, and it's not anyone's particular, well, sometimes it's someone's fault, but in particular, it's a complex process.
And so it lends itself to being messy, complicated.
But the bottom line is, if you're going to have laws in place, if you should have standard operating procedures and manuals, there needs to be accountability.
There needs to be some sort of feedback loop or mechanism with which the people can check to make sure that all of those laws, all those processes and procedures are being done correctly.
And I can tell you they're not in South Carolina because I get the calls during election time.
Oh my gosh, this is happening.
Oh my gosh, that's happening.
I just pressed the thing and, you know, so, and you know, Rick, you see it too.
That's an issue because the process needs to be restructured, in my opinion.
And that's why we wrote the gold standard white paper.
And it's on your, you know, site U.S. Case that's online, SC, South Carolina Safe Elections, SC Safe Elections.
We also have a site gold standard elections.
But, you know, we need to really address this.
And it needs to be restructured ASAP.
We can't wait another election cycle for this.
You're absolutely right.
And what's really sad too, and we heard this comment, and now our paper doesn't address this part of it, but I think in the next version, we're going to have to.
And the common statement that we hear from election officials is that we meet the minimum standards of the election laws or the rules.
And the reality is when we look at some of this stuff, I'm sorry, but a lot of these laws and activists across the United States, you need to look at this and you need to ask your legislators and inform them that these election officials are doing the bare minimum just to meet the law.
And so for them, they think that's a passing grade.
But in reality, when we look at this as computer professionals, as accountants, as business practices, we look at it and say, no, this is absolute garbage.
And so the reality is we need to improve these minimum standards.
So for example, when we looked at Wyoming and their test decks and the statutory requirements and then the felony piece in there, right away, 23 counties basically failed the logic and accuracy test because they didn't test all of the ballot styles.
And it's such a slap in the face to the disability community because by most of the election officials, the county clerks in Wyoming, they failed to test the disability ballots at the same rate as a standard ballot.
And so the disability community was in essence potentially disenfranchised.
Or if they were counted right, they got lucky.
And that's really disgusting.
There's not enough oversight.
There's not enough training.
And these poor election officials, my heart goes out to them because they don't understand what the real requirements are to make sure that everything is working correctly.
And neither do the legislatures.
And they're not putting in the standards for rigorous testing.
Another one that I do want to kind of get to and kind of re-advertise is we over at uscase.org are looking to do a software audit of kind of four main areas of Dominion and ESNS for the source code where we want to make sure that the ballot images and cash vote record randomization is in compliance.
The encryption used within the systems are in compliance.
The modem hardware and software are in compliance.
And also the rest of the security is in compliance.
And so if you'd like to donate towards that, go to uscase.org and help us with that.
Now, when we look at the current vendors to get ready for the 2026 election and beyond, we're failing.
Right out of the gate, when we look at the notices from Microsoft, they're basically telling us that support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025.
So there's no more patches going to be available for Windows 10, 8, and Windows 7.
Windows 7 already terminated.
Windows 8 was already long gone.
And so that means we need to be looking at Windows 11.
And so when we start looking at the current vendors and where they're at, we see right now they're not ready.
Most of them are all on Windows 10 still.
So what are we going to do to move forward into Windows 11?
And when we look at the voting systems under test by the EAC right now, there's really just the one, and that's Dominion Systems.
But ESNS doesn't appear to have one out here right now.
And so you're an ESNS state, so am I.
And so we're waiting for ESNS to kind of get out there and get us going so that we can make sure that we are ready to go for the 2026 election.
And so this is so important because now, if Jill was here, here's one of the things that's really scary: we tighten this thing up here, the Wyoming election code.
And what's really sick here is that when we look at item two here, proof that the electronic voting system meets the voting system guidelines adopted by the United States Election Assistance Commission.
Well, I hate to tell everybody this, but currently there's four.
So which one are they pointing to?
So does that mean in Wyoming somebody could go in and test to the 2002 certification or the 1.0 and Wyoming is just going to accept that?
So we need to put in some better pieces.
And one of the bills that I'm recommending for Wyoming is actually this one.
And what it is, is I'm putting in a voting system security requirement.
All voting systems shall be current within 90 days of an election with all operating system security patches and antivirus updates for all components of the voting system.
Any system not updated prior to 60 days of an election is automatically decertified and cannot be used in an election.
And the clerk is hereby directed to process all ballots via hand count tabulation without the use of any voting system.
Something simple like that, right?
So that would be one of my recommendations to actually try to help fix some of this stuff.
And so this is where we have to really get real.
And I really would encourage more technical people to start coming in and talking to their election officials and talking to their state legislatures to say, look, we've got to do better than this.
We need to secure our voter rolls.
We need to secure our voting systems.
If we can't secure them, then we need to go back to the most secure method, which is paper.
Amen.
Paper is always more secure.
And it can actually be simpler than the issues of the versions because of Windows.
So yeah, we know that that's certainly a security issue.
Them performing regular updates on their central count computers, et cetera, that run Windows.
But it could be as simple as this.
So when they did an audit of our election commission, it was pretty, I mean, I thought it was a big fail.
I don't know how anybody could get away with this in corporate America.
But one of the things they found was that 10% of the inventory that we had of our election equipment was not accounted for.
Now, that's a major security issue.
Another thing was that when they went into a very large county, Richland County, in one of the areas that people actually would go through for tours, they had a big whiteboard that had the passwords for the administrative passwords for the computers.
So even just something like that, it undermines the system.
It makes it less secure.
And that's just basic good old-fashioned computer protocol and computer hygiene.
It's just as simple as that.
So once again, people lose confidence in a system when they see massive errors and issues like that.
So basically that needs to be addressed.
You're exactly right.
And Wyoming is one of these states where there was multiple cases that were brought forward, you know, Weston County, Laramie County.
There were just so many things going on between bad test acts, ballots that were redesigned, and then ballots that were mixed into the actual election to where 85% of one of the races, the ballots were incorrect.
And so the votes weren't counted for one of the races because the clerk had adjusted a missing element off of the ballot and didn't redo the testing, didn't segregate the ballots.
And so it created a little bit of a carupala in Wyoming to where the future speaker of the house, his vote totals had dropped because there were so many undervotes because the machine was looking at the wrong location for the votes for him.
And so this kind of stuff just can't happen.
And when you had the original denial saying, oh, this was a protest vote, you know, da-da-da, and you look at this guy and you're like, no, there's no way.
This doesn't make any sense.
This guy is well liked in the community by everybody.
Nobody ran against him.
This isn't a protest vote against him.
There's no bad media about this guy.
This guy is just a class act.
And so the initial statements by the county clerk were just absolutely false and just trying to provide misdirection.
Thankfully, Chuck Gray of Wyoming was able to step in along with others, including the county chair of that county, got in, and they were able to get a hand count to find out what the truth was.
And they found a lot of ballots.
Yeah, garbage in, garbage out, right?
Garbage in, garbage out.
So, you know, machines are not flawless.
They're not error-free.
If you're going to put garbage in there, if you're not going to test them properly, they're not going to come up with the right answers.
So we do need to redesign the system.
We need to redesign our laws to ensure that this gets simple so that people understand it, so that the workers understand it, that we feel confident that our vote is counted.
And that means one day, paper ballot, minimize any kind of mail and ballots, make sure it's on secure paper, make sure there's proper chain of custody and reconciliation measures, and make sure that it's highly transparent so that people can watch the counting process.
And people get it right.
If you're sitting there and we can confirm the counting, you can check it on our white paper, it's going to be accurate.
And if we videotape it, people can rerun it to make sure that it was in fact counted properly.
Yep.
And that's such a great idea.
And I'm so glad that that is in the paper is that when you have it videoed, you can relax in your own time, go through and in essence, do your own post-election audit of a hand count.
And that's just completely open and transparent.
And it is the way it should be done.
And so that's why I'm so proud to be part of the white paper with you and Hava and Beth to basically do this.
Now, of course, we're going to have our critics out there, but that's okay.
Least we've started a discussion.
And this white paper has been out there for more than six months now.
We just had another revision.
We are sending it out to press.
And so contact us, whether at USCACE or South Carolinasafelections.org, and let us know how we can help you motivate your activists to make sure that we can get those election law changes that help the voters trust the elections once again.
I think that's so important.
Thank you so much, Laura.
Sorry, Jill.
We're going to get you on it next week.
Laura, can't wait to have you on as we continue to go through this election process and the legislative process.
I think one of the feature shows, we're going to open it up to callers to be able to answer some of their questions.
We may have all the answers right there and then, but we'll add it to our to-do list to make sure we get you those answers.
So with that, I want to thank you again, Laura.
Thank you, Mike Lindell.
Thank you, Chris behind the scenes and Apollo for setting everything up.
Jill, sorry we couldn't get you on with some of the technical difficulties that we had here tonight, but thank you, America.
God bless everyone and stay awesome and keep the fight.