Mike Lindell, obviously CEO and founder of MyPillow and Trump advisor and friend joins us now.
Mike, how are you doing, brother?
Good.
Hey, Jake.
Thanks for having me on again.
No problem.
All right.
So, Mike, look, I know your concerns about voting.
We talked about that last time.
So tell me why you're supporting Trump over the others in this election.
Well, he has proof of concept.
You go back to December of 2019 and so many decisions that he made or his administration made manifested to all our lives, no matter where they were.
If you were all the way from no forks to four forkers and everything in between, hit him and prove someone.
It was a high consumer confidence, one of the highest ever.
Low unemployment.
We had gas prices low.
And these are things that businesses, my business, a lot of small businesses were thriving.
So I just think he's a businessman and he makes good decisions that help all people, not just a party.
So, Mike, you brought up low unemployment.
So I'm going to reuse some unemployment stats throughout the years to give you a sense of what happened with it.
So, and I know you've got to follow along here and I don't have a graphic on it for you.
But so, you know how we had the crash in 2008?
So, unemployment spiked in 2009, right?
So, 9.9%.
Obama's president.
Then he starts bringing it down.
The next year, it's 9.3.
The year after that, it's 8.5, then 7.9, then 6.7, then 5.6, then 5.0.
So now we're in 2015, and he's brought it all the way down to about half of what it was.
So great job by Obama in doing that.
Okay.
Now, I got other issues.
I'm sure you have other issues with Obama, but he did bring down unemployment.
He hands that off to Trump.
Trump goes, brings it down 4.7.
To be fair, no, 2016 is still Obama, 4.7 for Obama.
Then Trump brings it down to 4.1, 3.9, 3.6.
So pretty good.
But you can see it's a trend that's coming down that was handed to him from Obama.
Okay.
That doesn't mean that it's all Obama.
It means, let's be fair, right?
And so then COVID hits, and I'm being fair back and say it goes up to 6.7, but COVID hit, right?
Right, right.
So then Biden comes in, brings it back down to 3.9.
Okay.
But COVID, but COVID got over.
You got to be fair there too.
COVID got over.
So that's why I'm not doing, no, Mike, that's why I'm not doing the job numbers.
I'm doing the percentages.
Yeah.
Because Trump loses a lot of jobs, but it's not, it's because of COVID.
Biden brings those jobs back.
Okay, you could say that's a wash, right?
But he brings the unemployment rate down to 3.9%.
That's the first one that Trump did.
So how did he do in 22 and 23?
3.5% and 3.7%.
Better than Trump.
And in 2022, it was a record.
I think you just, I think you're taking it through an anomaly in history, not comparing apples to apples here, but that's fine.
I think there's many other factors too.
I just look at what it manifests to whether you give Obama Park credit.
When we got to late December of 2019 and late into 2019, it was the highest consumer confidence.
I mean, it was gas was low.
Gasoline controls so much of our product prices.
It's not just what you pay at the gas pump.
It's what you pay for everything from groceries to products because the shipping costs that went through the roof.
And another thing that I really like about Donald Trump is I'm a former crack cocaine addict.
And my passion was to help addicts before I ever, I had never voted in my life.
I never, until 2016, I didn't even know a Democrat from a Republican.
I didn't care about politics.
And but one thing I did care about was addiction.
And Donald Trump had done a lot in that space for addiction.
The opiate bill, I was there.
I know many things he took regulations off where you didn't have to, you didn't have to go to school to help an addict.
You had your teen challenges, your salvation armies work.
He did a lot of things for that industry.
And so I look at things like that, where it's a businessman.
He takes things, silos them out, and say, how can I help this particular industry or this particular thing?
And then you look at it at a whole.
And he's been doing it all his life as a businessman.
When I first met him, I didn't know him from Adam.
I went in.
It was a private meeting.
He just, he wanted to know how it was like to make how I was doing making my pillows here in the U.S. Was it working out?
He wanted my opinion.
Some guy from Minnesota, an ex-crack addict.
And I respected that after talking to him for 45 minutes, I go, I got to personally vet the guy.
He didn't have an agenda.
He didn't ask me for money.
And I went and asked his employees.
They said, is this for real?
He said, yeah, he's a good boss.
He's a good, good boss, good, good person.
And he, and they had all had a personal story about him, how he had helped them.
Some of these employees, it didn't matter who they were.
I really respected that.
I thought, you know, you can tell a lot by people, the employees that work for them.
And I went all in for him.
I had never met a president before.
I'd never voted before.
But if he said what he told me in that room that he was going to do those things, I thought it made a lot of sense.
And he did fulfill those promises.
And it helped a lot of small businesses.
I believe he brought many, many jobs back.
I know it helped my personal business.
It was consumer confidence.
I mean, people were just very confident.
And now I see he was smart when you say, okay, we're shutting down a border where fentanyl was pouring in and drugs.
And that meant a lot to me too, as I was running my own Lindale Recovery Network.
And so that's when I ended up going all in because it just made sense.
It was common sense solutions.
I don't care what party.
He had the solutions that were there.
And I believe he fulfilled them.
Yeah.
So I wish I could agree with you, Mike, but I don't.
So I'm going to break this all down.
But I'm curious what you said about drug addiction.
I want to come back to that in a minute because maybe he deserves credit on that, but I'm not sure.
So first you said, look, he's a successful businessman.
No, he's not.
Mike, you're way more successful businessman than Donald Trump is.
Donald Trump was handed $413 million from his dad.
You didn't get $413 million from your dad, did you?
No.
No, I got it.
No.
And he blew that first $400 million.
He had six massive bankruptcies.
And he said, you know, it's good business not to pay your debts.
No, that's not good business.
That's terrible business.
And I'm worried that he's going to do that for the country.
He drove up the deficit and the debt by $8.4 trillion.
If he does it again, it's going to be totally out of control, mainly corporate tax cuts.
And you said he was a good boss.
He was a brother.
I know he was nice to you.
No, no, no.
I'm saying here's employees.
I personally vetted asked his employees.
You can't, but that's coming out of their mouth.
They had no reason to lie to me.
I hear you, but Mike, half his employees right now are going, don't, don't.
Oh, my God.
He's so dangerous.
He's just, those aren't employees.
Those are, those aren't employees.
Talk to me.
He's in his private business.
I'm talking, I've read those things, those hit jobs from the media, but I'm saying I'm talking about his employees that have been with him at Trump Tower when I visited him, the first time I ever met him.
And these are the employees I'm talking about, the ones that are the maids, the ones that are that work in the hotels that I stayed in of his.
And you never had anybody come out in 2016 and badmouth him of employees.
And that's got to say something.
You're seeing a different view.
You're seeing a different view.
And then, look, I'm respecting the, and I believe you totally that you say, hey, you talk to some employees of Trump.
I know a lot of employees.
Right.
A lot of employees.
But I'm telling you that there's tons of employees that have come out from the Trump organization too.
So I remember the story of one of the executives.
He's Billy Trump Tower.
They said, we got to put Braille on the elevators.
It's law in New York.
He says, don't do it.
I'm like, what do you mean?
We have to do it.
It's the law.
He's like, I don't care.
And she said, he would always put us in positions so that he could blame us when something went wrong.
So if we put the braille in because we have to, he blames us.
And if we don't put it in and it's illegal, then he's going to blame us and then we're going to be charged.
You know, all I know is that I, like I say, I know him personally.
I think he's a great friend.
He's a good man.
I met him in 2016.
I have vetted many people.
If you read my book, I've been in the streets.
I read people.
He has his agenda.
He loves the country.
He loves people.
And he has no other agenda.
He doesn't have.
No other agenda, Mike.
You don't think he's making a tremendous amount of money from this?
I mean, he's selling $60 Bibles.
He's lost hundreds of millions.
He's lost money from the Saudis.
His son-in-law.
He's lost hundreds of millions.
He doesn't need that money.
And he's lost hundreds of millions.
Here's what I want to say there is I just look at for me.
If there was a better candidate in this race, if you're talking this race, well, show them to me.
But all I know is that she was a part of an administration that I'm telling you right now.
I talk, I go all over this country and I talk to Democrats, Republicans.
It doesn't matter of the people and their lives, their physical lives here are, it's way worse than it was.
There's so many nonsensical things being done that I don't understand.
There's no sense to let that border open.
There was no sense to shutting down our pipeline on your first day in office.
And I know, I know Wallace very well.
I can sit and talk the whole show about him.
But I'm not, if you're talking about Donald Trump, I'm saying he has proof of concept to me and to many others in this country where he got us to in that highest consumer compass and where it was.
You can say Obama took part of credit for that.
That's the way the country is going.
But all I know is the last three and a half years, it's going to a pretty bad place in a lot of ways.
And I blame that on an administration, on decisions made in government.
And you got Kamala here.
You got Kamala Harris.
We asked her, well, what are you going to do?
Why aren't you doing it now the last three and a half years to solve these problems, these things we have?
We have illegals taking, I sat, you know, when we met last time at the Democrat convention, I sat there and we filmed many, many Democrats, about 100 Democrats that voted for Biden and now are voting for Trump.
And I asked them, why are you switching?
And a lot of what came out of there was the illegals have taken their resources and jobs.
And it doesn't make sense that they're letting that come in and letting them come in and that they can vote, they can drive cars.
My home state of Minnesota, what Walt has done there with them, it's just not fair to people that came here legally and that there's two different standards.
And they were very upset about it.
So, Mike, first of all, Donald Trump, throughout his career, has hired thousands of undocumented immigrants on almost all.
Yeah, I don't know that.
I'm going to have to have Alan Duke fact-checking.
I would love it.
Definitely fact-check that.
Okay.
In the towers that he built, in the golf courses that he had.
In fact, they found undocumented immigrants in his golf courses while he was president.
So he's an enormous hit.
You know, you're going in the past.
You know, people, I was the next crack addict.
People could say all the things you want about my past.
Donald Trump was president.
But no, no, no.
When he's president, he wasn't running those golf courses and stuff.
He had nothing to do with it.
He was running.
He was running the United States of America.
And he was making good decisions.
So people can look that up, no problem.
And you'll see he's hired undocumented immigrants to address crew.
But okay, so let's talk about substance and the country and how it's going.
So look, I hear this a lot from conservatives saying, oh, the country was doing great under Trump and now it's bad under Biden.
And then you talk about jobs, but wait a minute.
We have record low unemployment.
You talk about undocumented immigrants taking people's jobs.
If they're taking people's jobs, why do we have record low unemployment?
I don't know.
Have they been unemployed for so long they're not reported?
I don't know that, Jank.
I don't know.
My point being is that you're saying this is why equally, if they ask themselves, they asked Kamala right in the debate, do you think people are better off now than they were three and a half years ago?
And I can't find anyone that says, no, I'm much better off now.
You can't when you go to a grocery store and it's outrageous and all these prices and to be able to live a joyful life and happy where we're here in.
And Donald Trump does have proof of concept.
What was so bad?
I'm going to ask you under Donald Trump yourself, what didn't you like that he did while he was in office other than had to fight attacks by everyone under the sun?
And he had, he's like a one-man executive there trying to get stuff done that would help people.
And he was even with all the pushback and the attacks, he still got a lot of great things done.
That's what I asked people.
What did he do that you didn't like while he was in office?
You can say, well, look what he did in his personal life back here.
Look what he said on Twitter or whatever.
But what did he do that actually hurt your life or better your life?
That's what you got to ask yourself.
I think that's what everybody should ask themselves about Canada's that they're going for.
Yeah, I think people have rose-colored glasses on what they thought happened in the Trump years.
So there was only a couple of major bills that he passed.
So he did criminal justice reform a little bit, and I gave him credit for that.
So, okay.
And the opiate bill, he helped addiction.
And let me tell you, there weren't any wars.
There wasn't any wars.
So let's not.
And he got rid of ISIS.
Hold on.
No.
But then under that logic, Obama got rid of Al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.
So we should always vote Democrat.
So that's the military doing their job under both presidents.
So what was the major thing that he passed?
You know what the major thing was his corporate tax cuts.
He gave $2 trillion tax cut to corporations.
Look, even on his own agenda, the wall, he forgot about it.
And then six months before the election, he's like, oh, yeah, the wall, the wall, because he doesn't really care, Mike.
He doesn't care.
So the main thing that he did was giant giveaways to the richest people in the country.
And it was constant one crazy idea after another.
And put it like, so people are worried about a hurricane that's coming.
I mean, I'll give you a Western.
There's a thousand examples.
Go to TYT.com slash library and you'll see all the crazy things that he's done that our audience has facts on, has links on, et cetera.
But just one of so many different examples is hurricanes come.
Are worried about where it's going to hit, but he said it wrong.
So then he takes a Sharpie and redraws the path of the hurricane that makes people panic about that they're going to get hit with a hurricane when they're not.
And the people who are going to get hit might not know it.
I mean, he does these crazy, crazy things, Mike.
Well, what's crazy?
What's crazier that you see that or you live like where I live in Minnesota and I got a crazy guy named Tim Walt during the virus?
We had he limited us to eight people in our houses for Thanksgiving, gave us two more for Christmas, and your neighbor could turn you in and you would do 90 days in jail and want to shut down our legs.
I let Minneapolis burn to the ground.
These are things I'm going, who are you to decide this for the people?
And those are things that affect us.
Did that, you know, this is what I'm saying.
I'm saying you're worried about it.
You talk about Minnesota.
You're worried about the rise of Minnesota.
I hear you.
But we had a riot on January 6th that Donald Trump encouraged and then didn't stop.
No, he didn't encourage.
He said, go there peacefully and whatever.
You know, you see, that's the thing, though.
But this is how folks on the right.
January 6th was because of Bernie Sanders.
Do you think it was because of Mother Teresa?
Come on, you know it was because of Donald Trump.
No, it was not because of Donald Trump.
I've got my own vote on behalf of him.
Well, let me tell you, there were people there.
I went to many, many, many rallies.
I stood out in front of the Supreme Court on December 14 with six little police officers, 200,000 people, and I was the host out there talking.
There was no problems.
Whatever on January 6th, by the time I know people that were there at the rally and then went up there, by the time they were up there, I know very close people that went up there.
And they got up there.
Who are these people already here?
There were many people already there.
I could sit and tell you, and you'd call me a conspiracy theorist and all this.
There's a lot of things that were not explained there.
Why did the National, why wasn't it protected when Pelosi was told to do that?
There were many things that happened that we can't explain.
And you sit there and you say, well, this was because of Donald Trump.
I was there at that rally on the front row.
And he said, go there peacefully, peacefully.
That's our right to protest, right?
People can protest, go there peacefully.
He didn't say go there and do something dangerous.
In Minneapolis, I had my own friends that got out of crack addiction, had built businesses along Lake Street in Minneapolis, and they were burned to the ground while Waltz waited over a day and a half to even do anything about it and let our precinct get burned to the ground.
I know, you know, that what he's done, these are things that were nonsensical.
When I know Waltz, I've done many things where he stopped me just because it's Mike Lindell and I stand for Donald Trump.
And I just see it for me.
You got these two running.
You ask, what would like with Kamala and him running?
What are they going to do?
Kamala, they haven't done anything that we wouldn't do.
What's the sense, the sense of not of having illegals come in here, come into Minnesota, coming to other states, and you give them driver's license and they're getting the money where people, I've talked to people, and they're Democrats too, by the way, that are in the inner city.
That's where I came from.
And they're going, hey, and they're changing because they're tired of, you know, what one Democrat said in Chicago when we were there at the DNC.
He said, he says, you know, it's like a relationship of a volatile relationship where an abusive relationship where you get promises and promises and then all of a sudden they get in office and then you get abused again and it's a cycle.
It's a cycle and they're never-ending cycle.
And you're talking about someone, like I say, I never voted.
I've been in both places and I'm just looking and saying, this makes more sense because I really believe he makes decisions that help people, all people, when politicians, my friends.
So Mike, listen to a lot of time.
No, I just want to say one thing.
I want to say one last thing.
When decisions is made in government that don't help the people, not either party, they don't help us as a people.
There's another agenda and it's a hidden agenda.
And I believe it's very evil.
I don't understand why politicians, I just did a speech in Hawaii two nights ago.
And guess what?
It was a Republican blocking.
I've dealt more with Republican blockers in my efforts to try and get to paper balance and counting.
And I told you this last time.
And it doesn't make sense to me that one party, a Democrat party, wanted these machines gone.
They want to go to paper ballots, handcuff, Kamala Harris, Amy Klobuchar, my center.
And then you got over here, some Republicans stopping it.
So, I mean, this thing, I think, you know, for me, you know, but go ahead.
I'm just, I don't think that's just been very frustrating.
It's been one thing we did agree on last night, last time I was on, is we should have secure elections.
And there's, you know, if paper ballots, hand counted are the most secure, I think everybody would agree on that.
Yeah.
So look, their agenda is not that secret.
They all Republicans and Democrats serve their donors.
There, I solved it.
Right.
I agree.
Okay.
And so, but the last thing I want to ask you, see, Mike, you guys have this rose color view of Trump, in my opinion.
And I'm super worried that he's a dangerous guy.
So you say he didn't cause January 6th.
Okay, fine.
We had that debate, right?
But after the riots began for three hours, everyone's begging him.
They're calling from inside the Senate.
The Republicans calling him his family members calling him.
Please send out a message to stop them.
Then Mark Meadows comes in, according to testimony, a sworn testimony, says they're trying to kill your vice president.
They're chanting, hang Mike Pence, hang Mike Pence.
And he tells his chief of staff he deserves it.
Mike, we can't do that.
We can't have a president who's president of being murdered.
Right.
I mean, that's subjective there.
And let me tell you, here's what I have to say, Chang D.
I know Donald Trump personally.
If I did, am I looking at the outside end?
I know he's a good man.
I had my opinion of you, which was a very bad opinion until I went on his show and I met you personally.
It totally changed.
I really view you as a good person now.
And you just said we just have different viewpoints.
I have personally vetted and know Donald Trump personally.
So I can sit there.
You can sit and tell me all day long, is this whatever was said on it?
You know, is that the context?
I mean, he didn't mean hang Mike Pence.
I mean, that's absolutely crazy.
I know the guy.
He's, you know, does he say stuff that can be bombastic?
He uses his truth and Twitter.
Yes.
But all I know is that as a president, he makes decisions that you silo it out and you make problem solutions decisions.
And he's pretty good at knowing what they're going to manifest to.
And I respect that.
And one of the things people don't know about him is he's a great listener.
He will sit in a room and he will listen and take it all in like I do as a businessman, as a CEO.
You take it all in and you ask people or you ask your advisor and then you make a decision.
Right or wrong, but you make a decision, but you make it.
And if it's a bad decision, you see it as a businessman and you correct it and you improve on it.
And I believe he did that during his presidency.
Now, if you said that, if you could tell me why he hurt you during his presidency, that he made decisions that hurt us as a people, I would say, hey, yeah, let's look into that.
There's a problem there.
But all you bring up is things like, oh, yeah, he was, you know, he's a failed businessman.
He had a couple of bankruptcies.
I've had two bankruptcies in my life.
And they were both there.
That's what it's in our constitution.
So you can start over and build your life if you make a mistake and all of a sudden you're not done for the rest of your life.
Yeah, Mike, but you had successful businesses too.
He squandered 400 million, but that's not the point.
The point is that I'm worried that he's dangerous.
You say you know him personally.
I say he's not worried.
Trust me, trust me.
He's not dangerous.
Yeah, and you know, how does it personally affect me?
I mean, look, this is not the biggest deal for me, even though some would argue it should be.
But when he was running the first time around, he said, I want to ban all Muslims from the country.
I'm Muslim.
So I'm an atheist now, but my family's Muslim.
You know, Mike, somebody said, hey, I want to ban Christians from the country.
I think you'd probably be pretty upset about that, right?
So it's.
Well, yeah, you know, if that's what he said there, T, I think it was certain countries that were terrorizing that he was worrying about, but I don't know.
But yes, if that was said, you have your right there.
You have your opinion, and I respect that.
And by the way, coming on your show last time, I said, but you went on the internet.
I said, yeah, it was one of my best interviews.
Greatest times I had because we talked.
We actually talked.
And that's what people need to do in this country.
And that's the one divide where I really, it really bothers me is this, you know, you've got, I believe you have one party here running on hatred for Trump.
They say this, this, and this.
And then why wouldn't you run on what you're going to do and what you're going to do like it used to be back in the day?
And I really believe the people are not divided.
I believe we're not a divided nation.
I believe the people were coming through a period where, and I know you say you're an atheist, but I believe that God's got his hand in this.
And it's whatever happens, it's going to be all even the bad things.
Hopefully he'll use it for good, like it says in the Bible, and we get to a great place.
All right, Mike Lindell.
I agree with you that we need to have more discussions like this, exchange ideas and understand our common bonds.
Mike Lindell, CEO of Mike Pillow, we appreciate you joining us.
Thanks, Shank.
Thanks for having me on anytime.
Thank you.
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Okay, no problem.
No problem.
Okay.
So Mike, let's just jump right into it.
Are you still going on about the last election?
If you follow me, you would know that what I'm going on about is getting rid of the machines and getting to paper ballots, hand counted like so many other countries around the world have outlawed and they get to paper ballot.
I want to have elections since in the spring of 21.
I went on Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy Kimmel asked me, said, Mike, he goes, if your friend Donald Trump had been selected like you say Biden was, would you still be sounding the alarm?
By that time, I already knew it wasn't about who won.
It's what we have to have secure elections.
That's what I'm in about.
I think that's pretty, I think that's pretty reasonable.
I think paper ballots are important.
Absolutely.
17 countries have outlawed the machines.
Another about 30 countries have outlawed early voting, mailing voting.
Here in the United States, we have the worst election platforms in the world.
And it's that Democrats member, they wanted the machines gone for a long time.
These unipar party Republicans that I fight every single day, including Robin Boss right here in Wisconsin, it's disgusting that they come on to keep the machines.
So does Donald Trump and his crew still support what you're doing or have they distanced themselves a little bit from you?
As far as what?
No, he says it all the time.
Paper ballots, hand counted.
He wants to get there.
He wants whether, no matter what happens, we have to get there.
So look, if you say paper ballots, Anna and I agree, it's you know, it depends on the details.
No, it depends on the details, right?
But we agree with on recounts, hand recounts, et cetera.
But do you really think that that election was stolen in 2020 still after all this time, after all the courts said it wasn't, after there was no evidence?
Here's what I say.
The 2020 election will go down as the most important election in history.
And here's why.
But when I, in November and December of 2020, I did my own investigation.
I went out and got the voter rolls.
And what I seen, and I got them in every state and every county by the time it took about two, three months.
But what I noticed was people voted in all these states that didn't live there and counties.
And that disturbed me because I couldn't imagine in my own home state of Minnesota.
Hey, I get 5,000 people.
Hey, you guys, let's go and jump in Wisconsin and commit a crime.
People are genuinely good people.
And I couldn't explain it.
It didn't make sense.
So then when I got evidence given to me on January 9th of 2021, that it was done by computers, that explained that you could do the power of numbers and something like that.
And then since that time, do I believe it was taken then?
I believe it was taken then.
Yes, I do.
I believe it was sold.
But I'm so glad that Donald Trump did not get put back in that because it took three years.
We would have lost our country forever.
It took three years of what I've done, my team's on the ground and the investigations into all the stuff that's been revealed.
What the Democrats, my own senator, Amy Klobuchar and Kamala Harris said, to get there's problems with these machines.
They can't, we got to get rid of these computers.
All that's been exposed with through cast vote records, which is under the Freedom of Information Act.
We all can request these.
We got them all and there was almost every county was computer manipulated one way or another.
And no one else agrees.
Not just with Republicans, Democrats, too.
I deal with most I do with Democrats on that because that'll be more helpful.
I was in Georgia.
This lady got in the summer of 22, three Democrats, this nice lady, her husband, she got zero votes in her own precinct.
Crooked Brad Rasenberger, the Secretary of State of Georgia, they actually had to quick look into it.
Oh, I'm sorry, you had 3,000 some votes.
She went from third to first.
Another Democrat, four counties over, she got 4,600 votes, but she wasn't on the ballot.
And these things, as we investigated, and right now in Georgia, they finally brought this judge brought this last fall.
She was an Obama appointed judge.
She got brought this case, the curling case against crooked Brad Rasenberg, now the Secretary of State.
Can I say that on your show?
You can say it because I hold.
Yeah, hold on.
So anyway, but I'm going to finish explaining.
So find the case in the fall, in October, Brad, I mean, the judge said, you know what?
These experts is Alex Halderman, that he got to look inside the computers and he says there's problems.
So we're going to push this forward.
And she said, if you question the machines, you're not a conspiracy theorist.
I got to take off my tinfoil hat on my whole, my show.
Jimmy Kimball had it on there.
He'd say, you know, put me taken off.
But this case went to court on January 9th of this year.
The alderman hacked into the machine in five minutes with a ballpoint pen in front of the judge.
And the judge now is sitting on that terror.
One of the few cases in the United States where a judge looked at stuff based on merit.
And this isn't to overturn any election of 2020.
This is for me.
What I'm doing now and what I've been focused on is get to paper ballots and county.
No matter what it takes or what has to get revealed, we've got to get to where we have elections where everybody trusts them.
In Kansas, in the 2022 election, I was getting from my team, all these Democrat votes being flipped to Republican.
At the same time, down in Arizona in Cary Lake, the machines, 240 to them went bad.
Why are we using these?
If you have bad books on a car, you get rid of them.
Hold on.
No, no.
Anna's going to ask the question.
I just want to be clear to the audience.
No one else agrees with what Mike Wendell say.
Okay.
Well, the other day.
Do you hear that audience?
CNN.
They agree with me.
Okay.
I'm just clear.
Okay.
Go ahead.
Wait, nobody agrees that we should go to paper ballots and county.
No, no.
All the so-called facts you said about the Rafasa murder being third and then first and then votes switching.
No one else believes that.
Democrats don't believe that.
Republicans don't believe that.
Democrats who lost don't believe that.
Republicans who lost don't believe that.
I don't.
I'd like to pivot a little bit if that's okay, because there have been some interesting developments during this convention.
And, you know, as a successful business owner, I'm really curious what you think about it.
Because yesterday, the Teamsters president gave a giant speech.
He was the keynote speaker.
I was impressed by the speech.
To hear a pro-labor, pro-worker message at the Republican National Convention is pretty much unheard of.
And as a business owner, when you hear a leader of a massive union talk about taking corporations to task, talk about increasing taxes and all of that.
What are your thoughts about that?
My thoughts.
I look at the situation we're in now that doesn't make sense where the price of everything is going up and it's because of shipping costs.
And then you have open borders.
You have these nonsensical things that don't help anybody, either, either.
I'm talking about the people now, not the party.
So I look at things of anybody out there, whatever they're saying on the stage or whatever they're doing.
If it's one thing to do what you're saying or say what you're doing, well, I look at stuff in real time and go, if politicians make decisions and you look at it, you go, okay, who's that going to help?
They have a hidden agenda and it's a very evil agenda.
That's where I'm at.
I look at things.
I spent time, I was in Chicago in the heart of Chicago a month ago.
I invited 500 Democrats.
All of them were in there and I was filming them, talking to them all.
They'll talk to me.
They don't believe me as evil.
I was a former crack addict.
I've said who I was.
I'm very open of who I am.
And I'm the American dream on stairways to take that and give freedom for the grace of God and get rid of those addictions.
And I felt my calling would go around helping everybody out of addiction to Jesus Christ.
And said this election stuff comes along.
I went, you think I'd still be sounding the alarm.
They're going, hey, we got to overturn the 2020.
No, that ship sailed.
What it is, is I want to get to paper ballots handcuffed because I know the dangers.
Elon Musk.
Do you want to pay more in taxes?
As a business owner.
I believe there could be different taxes.
You know, for me, I have my own thing.
I believe there should be an internet tax.
You have box stores that pay all this stuff.
They pay for everything.
And the internet, you have, including my company, you've got all their stuff that you can put an internet tax out there.
Then you're taxing.
You're taxing these big things like your Amazons of the world that these platforms that don't pay anything for the internet to use the internet.
The box stores, they have to all pay for rent and property tax and all these things.
If you did that, the price of our goods would come down.
They would come down.
You think they'd come down, right?
I think they would.
If we had an internet tax, at least you'd level the playing field for our box stores.
But, you know, I just, I don't want people to miss it.
So you're saying we're done with the 2020 election.
We're done.
I have said that.
If you've been following me, I haven't said one thing about overturning the 2020 since the spring of 21.
I want to say this.
My biggest attack on my pillow, you know, I've been sued for billions, okay, billions upon billions.
A company, an employee-owned company made in the USA.
Everything we want is the American dream.
They have been sued.
They did nothing.
There's CEOs out there going, hey, we need to go to paper ballots handcuffing.
I came up with a plan last August to do just that.
And since then, I've been attacked more than I was in 21.
Every single day, D-Bank, D-platform, D-Dis.
And you know what?
We're getting through it by the grace of God.
But just like now, can I say my new plan right now?
I want everyone in this country to request their mail-in ballot.
Don't open it.
And when you go to vote, if they say you already voted, you say no, I didn't.
This is called identity theft, like if I'd steal your identity.
And this isn't a Democrat or Republican thing.
This is a people thing.
I have so many people, Democrats and Republicans that went to vote.
They said, I'm sorry, you already voted for it.
It happened three months ago in Texas.
This was on the news.
A district attorney Democrat went to vote and they said, I'm sorry, you already voted.
She goes, no, I didn't.
She can't prove it.
But, Mike, you know, that could happen in a very odd case.
And that's why I made the news because it was so odd, right?
No, it's not.
She had a platform.
No, this.
So, but every court that you've gone to and that Trump has gone to and that all of you guys have gone to says there's absolutely no evidence of wide-scale fraud.
These would be judges that weren't priced in adults.
Let's talk about Wisconsin here.
Okay.
And in 21, the Robin Boss, the biggest blocker I ever told you about, and he's a speaker of the house here in Wisconsin.
He ordered an investigation.
He hired Michael Gableman, an ex-Supreme Court judge of Wisconsin.
He did a year-long investigation.
And at the end of the investigation, he had to list all this fraud that happened in Wisconsin.
Robin Boss said, I know there was widespread fraud, but I can't do anything until a court rules on it.
Two weeks later, the Supreme Court of Wisconsin came out and said there was all this fraud and Robin Boss went into hiding.
That's fact.
It's in the news.
It's in the news.
It's fact.
Robin Boss is one of the biggest blockers to free our elections to get us to pay for ballots.
How do you explain Republican candidates winning in down ballot races in 2020 when you know we're not talking about Republican name?
The Republicans in the primary, that's where they did, that's where they take out the candidates they want.
We're not talking about a presidential races for congressional seats, right?
General races for congressional seats.
You know what?
That's what I believe in.
The unit party.
This isn't a Democrat or Republican thing.
You have never heard me badmouth the Democrats.
If you follow me, you know who I badmouth?
Unit Party Republicans every single day because they block me.
I go into red states, Alabama.
There, I'll give you an example.
Alabama, South Dakota, Arkansas, Missouri, Texas.
They all block you.
You think I'd be able to go in there and go, oh, you guys are Republicans.
You should get rid of these machines and get paper, right?
First one I went to was John Merrill, Secretary of State in the summer of 21.
I went into Alabama, paid 40 grand for their voter rolls.
I go, John, do you realize?
And this is right out of their machines.
John, do you realize that there's 4,660 people that voted here in Alabama that are over 110 years old?
He looked at me and says, well, we live pretty good here in Alabama.
I thought he was making a joke.
He didn't even want to look into it.
So look, Mike throws out a lot of facts.
I don't want to say facts.
No, no, no, no.
Mike throws out a lot of channels, et cetera.
Okay.
And so I want you to know: look, so we're not going to know about whether the local Alabama guy you talked to is actually said that or didn't say that.
And so there's no way that I could instantly fact check you on that.
I agree.
Okay.
But in terms of the courts that looked at the Trump forward, Trump went to 60 and his allies went to 61 different courts.
They lost every single time.
You claim Democrats and Republicans are losing because they got cheated, but they're not complaining that they got cheated.
And so I don't know why they would give up their power voluntarily.
So, Mike, look, if you say verify the vote, everybody agrees, right?
But once you start making allegations about things that are not provable, you have not heard me say anything about the 2020 election since the summer of 21.
I have sat out there and say, melt down the machines, turn them into prison bars.
And I've been after every unit party Republican.
When I talk about the 2020 election, when I talk about that, that is the most important because it's going to manifest and get us to a safe, we should be the example to the world of good elections.
Democrats, Amy Klobuchar, Kamala Harris, in the movie Kill Chain in 2018.
I know these guys, you can go watch it right now.
All of them said, we've got to get rid of the machines because we can't rely on that.
Our government deemed our election critical infrastructure.
We've got to treat it as such.
I don't care if you're a Democrat or Republican.
We've got to treat it like now.
By the way, let me ask you one last thing.
Back then, did I want the election overturned to Donald Trump?
Absolutely, for what I had seen.
But you know what?
Now that I know now, I'm so happy that didn't happen because I had to find out over three years, hey, these are critical.
We've got to go to paper ballots.
I have talked to France, Germany.
I was on the phone with the UK in their recent election.
We have learned what the best practices are, and we've got it up.
We've got it up on my site.
Your part is why do you think that I know I'm not making this a partisan thing, but you know, some of the same Republican lawmakers who were on your side about the election allegedly being stolen from Trump.
Why do you think that when they had the opportunity to vote on legislation to enhance our election security, they all voted no?
Why do you think I don't even think they looked at it, to be honest with you?
I think you have a lot of fear out there.
Judges have fear.
Everybody has fear.
When you talk about machines and stuff, here's why.
On February 4th of 2021, SmartMatic sued Fox News.
That started lawfully in this country that hadn't been done since 1792.
All the conservative media, Fox News, Newsmax, Salem media, they all cowered down.
They're like weather channels that won't report tornadoes or hurricanes.
So that happened.
Who do I rely on?
As you know, all my friends call me the CNN that you see follow me.
I'm friends with all these guys.
They attack me, but I welcome that because I can get the word out.
We got to go to paper ballot.
You know what I've been doing over here, over there at the convention?
They go in the news today.
You can look it up.
USA said, every question asked Mike Vendell.
I kept saying for the answer, we got to go to paper ballots and count.
All the other stuff to me is a distraction.
So when you ask me about what they said on the stage, the Republican Party, that part don't matter.
But what I want to do is get to a free and fair election and save the American dream.
Last question about the elections.
So Donald Trump, when he wants the Republicans to do something in Congress, is very good at it.
He recently blocked the immigration bill that they had already agreed to.
The Republicans actually had proposed it and he said, no, take down your own bill.
And they did.
So why do you think that he never pressed Republicans in Congress to actually do election reform?
Right.
When theoretically, we didn't know enough.
And if you guys know, there were so many deviations that happened in the 2020 where there people illegally, Secretary of States across our country, both Democrat and Republican, made decisions based on an anomaly in history because legislatures make the laws, not the Secretary of State.
So the stuff they did then, right or wrong, some of them did it maybe for other reasons, but they did it because we were in an anomaly.
Those things need to be looked at.
And we go back to where we were.
We don't have that stuff now.
Why are we using you?
You're going to get into all different.
There's two states that wanted to go to texting your ballot in and emailing you there.
Which states?
Where would we be?
This was done in Utah and Oregon in a couple of counties.
They wanted people to vote by text.
By texting and emailing.
All of our Yukava votes are by email now.
You know that, right?
I don't know that.
I would have to patrick.
No, that's true.
You can still do a 45-day mail-in ballot, but Obama.
Okay, so that didn't answer the Trump question.
Here's the question.
The question is, that didn't answer the Trump question at all.
The question is, right now, what's all been revealed is, you know, when he gets in, and he said himself, we need to go to same-day voting paper ballots.
You know what I've told him?
I said, you know what?
I know I'm fighting them, the machine companies and what they, and I call it the uniparty globalists out there.
I'm fighting that, not the Democrat Party, the Republican Party.
I think it's deeper than that.
I said, and this is their tool for election.
So, in order for him, if he got, if he gets in and he says, hey, we got to go to same day voting, you've got to have the people behind it, all people.
That's why my plan, and I'm telling, I'm meeting in Chicago.
I'm going to the DNC.
I'm going to go there.
I want to go there and say, hey, we all need to grab our mail-in ballots.
And then when you go to vote, if they say you voted, that's identity theft.
Then everybody's going to be upset with that in your county.
You say, well, hey, my Amy and Joe, they went down to voting.
They said they already voted and they had the ballot.
Then it will get looked into.
So we all agree on a safe and secure election going forward.
Going forward.
All right.
Can I tell you something funny?
So I wanted to fill out my mail-in ballot, but it ran out of time.
So I took it in just like you want in California.
You know what they said?
Mike Lindell has already voted for you.
No, I'm kidding.
I'm kidding.
No.
No.
I told the CNA guys I won't lie.
Okay.
So, no, by the way, that did happen, except the last part, obviously.
They're like, oh, no, it shows that you didn't vote yet.
So, yes, hand it in and you'll be able to vote.
So it went perfectly fine, even in your city.
I'm just curious.
Example: so many people got there, even in the news and recall.
They got there.
I was out there then and they went all the way in to vote.
They said, You've already voted.
Now they sit there and they're like calling him a liar.
And they call them a liar.
And they go, No, I didn't vote.
But they said, Well, fill out a provisional ballot.
By the way, California has some great laws nobody knows about when it comes to the handicap that they had, because that's what that's the excuse they used to keep the machine.
In California, their law was very good.
It's like when you and I have a notary, there's so many different kinds of handicap.
And if I come in, I got to sign, you know, this is okay if this person sees my vote.
It's like sign in a normal, you give them permission, no matter what your handicap is, then you're covered for him to be able to see who you voted for.
Or you bring it, you know.
Okay, so for a while, it looked like my pillow was going bankrupt.
Did it not happen?
Is it still in business?
We had our biggest week of the year last week.
And that's happened last year when I announced the plan.
American Express, never been late in my life.
They went away.
We got de-bank, demerchant server.
Our vendor, they cut credit back.
So we had a $25 million squish.
In other words, if I had 120-day credit with some product from overseas to get, they squished it down to 30 days.
Well, I became the bank for millions upon millions of dollars.
Then other vendors that were already jumped on board.
And because we were, you know, it's through a lot of prayer that we've gotten this far that we got through it all.
But the media grabs that.
And I don't understand why they attack a company like my pillow, the American dream.
I used to be the media's darling.
But, you know, Mike, you walk across the street, how many more employees are you hiring?
Well, you're doing so much for addiction, so much for the veterans, so much for the inner city.
I had a foundation.
All I did was pour money into everywhere.
Money's not a thing.
I want to help people.
When I did that, then in the summer of 16, I met Donald Trump.
I never voted in my life.
I was a crackhead.
I met Donald Trump.
I said, hey, this guy, I talked to his employees.
They said, good man, good leader.
And I talked to him.
He went on one.
He asked me about my pillow and being in the country.
And how's it working out?
And it was just a one-on-one of talking to a businessman.
Then he asked about, I said, you know, I have a, I used to be a crack addict.
I had the Lindel Recovery Network.
He said, I'm going to stop the drugstore.
So I went all in for him.
And I did a press release.
All of a sudden, the media hated me.
In fact, they called me, they called me the biggest drug dealer in Minneapolis.
And my drug dealer stuck up for me and said, he never dealt a drug in his life.
He tried to rid Minneapolis of drugs by doing them all.
Okay.
All right.
So with my point being, then the Better Business Bureau took my pillow from an A plus to an M.
It's still an M. That's just fantastic.
I got attacked for what I believed was a great, great candidate.
That's wrong.
You know, I actually have a question, a follow-up question about that because, you know, you have been willing to sacrifice almost everything, right?
Your business, your reputation, all of that, to help Trump.
You know, you believe that the election was that's not true.
You're what you're saying there.
And when you started out like that, your support of Trump is what kind of propelled you.
No, no, me want to get rid of the fee.
The last year has been the biggest attack on me in history and my company.
Why?
I don't sit out there and say the, don't you think everyone says, well, the 2020 election, that's ship sale.
It's because I want to get rid of the machines.
There's a lot of people.
You want to get rid of that.
Let me ask a question then.
So there have been reports that the Trump family has kind of like distanced themselves from you.
Is that really?
When was the last time you spoke to them or anyone?
I was with our great real president about a week ago.
I spent two hours with him and I'm down in Mar-a-Lago.
So we're friends.
When I heard about this assassination, assassination attempt, I was actually landing and I couldn't get to the truth.
They're saying, I was crying, bawling because he's my friend.
It wasn't like, oh, what's going to happen to the world?
Whatever.
He's my friend and he's a good man.
That's what it was.
And I was praying for him on the plane.
That's what it was.
So you guys do talk regularly and he consults with you.
We talk regularly as friends.
When people say, oh, did you talk about this?
No, we talk about we're friends.
I don't have an agenda and he knows that.
Yeah.
You know, we encourage.
He's always optimistic.
I've told him, you know, he worries about our country.
He says there's destruction that's going on.
I said, you know, God's got his hand in all this.
You look up patients.
You don't see a picture of me and probably not him either, right?
But I said, this is on God's timing, not ours.
We would get to a great place for our country, which I believe we have to have secure elections.
I don't care who's in power.
That doesn't matter.
And we get to that great place.
We're going to look back and say, all of it had to happen just the way it did.
God's given us grace right now for such a time as this.
And our end goal is obviously everybody to get to heaven.
I think people don't look to God when things are going good.
They look to when things aren't going so good.
And people are praying.
Okay.
So I've been praying for you, you know.
Oh, well, thank you.
I appreciate it.
Okay.
And I didn't know you were still doing pillow talk with Trump.
So that's good.
That's interesting.
Okay.
So one last thing.
He's a very good friend of mine.
So one last thing.
So you center your life around prayer a lot and faith.
That's it.
So did that start with the fellowship or did you meet the folks of the fellowship, the family and the prayer breakfast, et cetera?
No.
After you got released.
No, here's what happened.
In January 16, 2009, I prayed.
I was, you know, I had all these addictions, crack cocaine, alcohol, cigarette, you name it.
I prayed to God that I would wake up and never have the desire again.
And I woke up and it was gone.
But it was such a transformation.
I thought that's the day I got saved.
I look at things as mathematical odds to prove that God exists.
If you see something that's a one in a million or a one in a billion, or this is impossible, when do you add it together and consider it a miracle?
And things started happening to me all the way up to February 18th.
Ready for this?
2017, when I got on my knees and hit a full surrender to Jesus Christ.
Now, I had one thing I couldn't do.
I could never talk in front of people.
You can see me on a commercial, but here I am a month later.
You're talking now.
Yeah, we can't stop you.
You know why?
I had fear rejection.
You don't get rejected if you don't talk.
I had fear public speaking to people I couldn't talk to you two.
And a month after I got saved there in a U.S. Bank Stadium in front of 50,000 people, they told a little bit of my story of being in this crack cocaine addict and getting saved.
And I had to lead 50,000 people in prayer.
I didn't even know how to pray at that time.
How do you feel about, you know, the Republican Party kind of poking fun of Hunter Biden?
I think it's horrible anybody poking fun of anything of the Bidens.
You know, even, I mean, you've never heard me, you know, the shirt that said, let's go, Brandon.
I wouldn't Even take pictures of the people that had that.
I thought, you know, absolutely not.
I mean, you know, this isn't about Democrats and Republicans.
This is about us as people.
You know, Hunter Biden had a terrible addiction like I did.
You know, in fact, I heard someone in a talk to him and said, you know, Mike, Hunter Biden actually says, you're one of the people on the right that he really likes.
Are you also into modern art now?
No, a Ukrainian gas expert at all.
Okay.
I hope he really did get saved because the only way I have my addiction platform, LindoRecoveryNetwork.org, and getting off all your addictions is just a bonus.
Getting to our real Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is where it leads you to.
And I hope Hunter Biden got there.
I pray he did.
His people say it's because he met this gal or whatever.
And, you know, hopefully that leads him to completely stay off the stuff.
Yeah.
Well, he met a gal and you met a guy.
The guy you met is named Jesus Christ.
That's exactly what I hope.
I thought you were going to say, Donald, I love this guy.
Oh, Mike.
I'll tell you what, I come in with a whole different attitude if you know.
And he promised me if you kept your promise.
He didn't use God's name in vain today.
I didn't swear.
We got along.
All right.
You must have seen when I called that lawyer or something, right, on TV and I said the a-hole thing.
Remember that?
He didn't call my pillows lumpy.
He's okay.
Okay.
All right, Mike.
Listen, we obviously just ran a lot, but I appreciate the conversation.