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The Lindell Report: Guest Host Rick Weible | 9 August 2024
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You ever see this guy with the pillows on Fox?
My pillow guy, Mike Lindau.
He is the greatest.
My pillow guy, Mike Lindau.
And he's been with us right from the beginning.
Good evening.
My name is Rick Weibel, and I really want to thank Mike Lindell and the Lindell Report and all of the staff that makes this happen.
Once again, I am going to step up to the plate and try to fill the big shoes of Mike Lindell.
He is out there, of course, swashbuckling for all of us out there, and tonight I have a special guest from Minnesota.
But first, let's get some updates out there as to what is happening in the Upper Midwest out here.
And so I have some quick updates from Kansas, Minnesota, South Dakota, Wisconsin, and Wyoming.
There's some templates for the activists on kind of what is going out there so that you don't feel alone.
Right now in Kansas, they just had a primary election in August 6, and we've already discovered invalid test decks there.
I have filed in on a case to help a candidate out there.
They also use uncertified equipment in their elections, and there is already a hearing scheduled for Monday.
Then in Minnesota, of course, you've heard about the Kamala pick of Governor Tim Walz.
I used to live in Minnesota, and he has extreme policies.
But don't worry, after he quit Congress, the district definitely turned red down there.
And they have an upcoming primary election on August 13th, next Tuesday.
And we have a tight U.S.
Senate race out there on the Republican side.
And then in U.S.
Congress in CD5, Ilhan Omar versus Don Samuels is going to be interesting to see if Minnesota can potentially take out a third member of the squad.
Then over in CD2, which every year has some kind of a weird thing that happens.
Two elections in a row, a candidate died from the legalized marijuana party, two cycles in a row.
And then this year, Tyler Rahm, who was the endorsed GOP candidate, stepped back.
However, there are activists on the ground.
who are trying to see if they can potentially elect him in this primary to unseat the remaining contender, Joe Tirab.
And so stay tuned, that is going to be pretty exciting.
But again, in Minnesota, and we'll dive into this with our special guest, they are denying test decks, they are not doing well with the public accuracy tests, and there are uncertified modems being used in the Minnesota elections.
I'll show you more of that.
In South Dakota, we are investigating mail forwarding and what's interesting is in Minnehaha County, one of the business owners is now registering the voters because they've been denied by the county auditor and now registering them at his house in Minnehaha County.
There will be a press release being released on Monday regarding Jessica's investigation and she will be contacting the sheriff down there and start working with the FBI to talk to them about it to open an investigation.
We're also investigating smurfing in South Dakota.
There are quite a few people that we have found that have had campaign donations on the federal side that have been assigned to them.
And they didn't make those donations.
And so that is very troubling.
We've also started that investigation in Minnesota as well.
We have hand count trainings going on in South Dakota and Wyoming.
You can go to MidwestSwampWatch.com to see those dates if you'd like to come out and enjoy one of those and participate.
And in Wisconsin, they also have a primary election coming up this Tuesday, August 13th, and that one is pretty contentious.
There could be kind of a big sway as to what happens in Wisconsin.
I also just got today a logic inaccuracy to review from one of the counties, and it was a complete failure.
And so I also want to give special credit to Peter Bernagher, who has been releasing data regarding invalid addresses that he's been finding in his state and other states that he's been investigating.
Plus smurfing, and he also has been filing quite a few court cases here lately.
So now for Wyoming.
Logic and Accuracy Test X, a case was filed this Wednesday night, and there are new cases developing as they are potentially finding more counties that did not follow the law.
They have much more strict laws that actually have penalties when you don't actually follow their state statutes.
And also I have uncertified equipment and we're investigating the smurfing there in that state.
The Secretary of State on August 30th issued a press release that he was going to be looking at Act Blue, but we're also recommending that he needs to look at a couple of other organizations out there as well.
And I have hand count trainings out there in Wyoming coming up and with their election coming up on August 20th, I actually have a hand count demo on August 17th before their election.
And I just want to kind of set the table here.
A lot of states kind of point to the Help America Vote Act of 2002, and this is what a voting system is defined as.
Oh, shoot.
I was meaning to and I'm so glad Apollo stepped in and just told me in my ear here that apparently I'm not sharing.
So we are going to go ahead and share the screen.
And that way you can see the Help America Vote Act here of 2002.
And here, there's a lot of word salad here, but basically in layman's term, it's everything.
So everything from the software, the hardware, from when you make the notices, from the paper ballots, anything that has to do with making that, including the manuals, is all part of the voting system standard.
And this is the beauty of that, is that it's real easy to just kind of look at something and say, that's part of it.
Then the EAC then created their own manuals that is basically called the Voluntary Voting System Guidelines.
And if your state adopts it in statutes, I've made that little correction there for you, that it becomes required.
And so it's just easier to go through.
Now, when we look at one of the most important things affecting our elections, and you can find the research at uscase.org, None of the vendors have protected our systems for at least the last two years.
There's no antivirus updates.
There's no patches.
And they sit there and try to tell us that we don't have to worry about it.
But time and time again, we're observing in multiple states that they are not taking care of the thumb drives and they're connecting to internet connected machines.
And then they're bringing them back into the closed loop network.
That's just unacceptable.
As we look at Minnesota, we look at Wyoming and so many other states, we actually see this disclaimer within the ES&S manuals that specifically tells us the United States Election Assistance Commission notification for approved voting systems in accordance with the U.S.
Election Assistance Commission Testing and Certification Program.
Manual version 2.0 ES&S hereby notifies the purchaser that any changes or modifications to an EAC approved voting system which have not been tested and certified by the EAC will void the EAC certification for such approved voting system.
It is so clear out there and when we look at There are certificates out there.
It literally gives you a menu of all of the approved hardware that can be used.
Even the thumb drives have to be specifically Delkin.
You're not allowed to use something bought at Walmart or Target or Best Buy.
You have to use the Delkin.
And if you don't, you're in trouble.
In Minnesota, they're so fantastic that the Secretary of State Which has been pushing the use of modems through most of the counties in Minnesota.
Literally says on their certificate, number six there, this certificate does not cover any modeming functions that may be related to EBS 6060.
And this is the Secretary of State certification because according to their own law, under
206.845, wireless communications may not be used in any way in a voting, recording, or
vote tabulation system.
Wireless device-to-device capability is not permitted.
No connection by modem is permitted.
They make it so clear, but they're violating it.
And over in Wyoming, the SNS literally sold them a ballot-on-demand printer and a ballot-on-demand
laptop, which is not certified by the EAC, and therefore it's not certified for use in
Remember what I talked about earlier?
Even anything that prints out a ballot, that's what this thing does, and it's not certified.
And when we take a deeper look, we don't see the Dell 3500 on the list from Dell being certified for the use in elections.
That's how bad this is.
It's terrible.
So now I want to kind of talk with my guest, Jen, out of Carver County, Minnesota.
And she is a true patriot, a mom, and it is absolutely incredible to have her with me here tonight.
And if Apollo can bring her in.
We want to talk about some of the dystopian hurdles that she has gone through.
So Jen, give us a little bit of a background.
So, Jen, how did you start in this adventure in Minnesota questioning the elections?
Well, I woke up the day after the election of 2020 and I just was scratching my head going, how did that happen?
And then I just was watching different programs and shows and there really wasn't a lot on regular TV.
So you had to really go online and to find some real information.
And then I have to give credit.
I don't give the GOP much credit, but it was actually a reach out to Donna Bergstrom at the Minnesota GOP who connected me to you.
And when I was questioning the election, they said, well, you need to get in touch with Rick Weibel at Midwest Swamp Watch.
So that's what I did.
And then we've just been putting one foot in front of the next and going through a really interesting journey.
So thank you for leading me through it.
Yeah, no problem.
And so it was interesting because we have a mutual friend there in Doan who I've known for over 20 years through church there.
He and his family, he and I used to manage the soundboard behind a church.
And so we had such great voices, they put us in the back of the churches to help click on the slides for the rest of the congregation to bury our voices.
But other than that, It was interesting because Carver County is supposed to be a conservative county in the state of Minnesota, and it's one of the richest counties in Minnesota as well.
It's generally in the top 20 throughout the United States for one of the richest counties in the United States.
Now, what's also interesting is that you allegedly have all Republicans as your county commissioners, correct?
Allegedly, yes.
Allegedly.
Okay.
So that's fair enough.
The other thing that is interesting is that, I want to say about two years ago, it was brought to their attention regarding absentee ballot boards, that there was an option to have party balance, or they could just use city or county employees.
What was stunning about Carver County at the time is, I believe their resolution actually referenced a law that no longer existed.
Yes, it had been since 2009, actually.
It was very out of date.
So that was wonderful that we had somebody look that up and then they had contacted the county.
And yes, you are correct.
They all tend to be conservative or identify as conservative.
But as I've gone through this journey, they may be conservative, but they haven't been willing to step out of the comfort zone and request Certain things that I think one would feel comfortable requesting in their position.
And also in Minnesota, what's really interesting is that in Minnesota statutes, counties have the ability to have their county auditor elected or appointed.
You are a county that has your county auditor appointed, correct?
Correct.
They had changed that when I tried to contact the state, our Secretary of State, we were told to contact the auditor and the auditor was non-responsive.
And then I did try the election clerk, who was also non-responsive until I reached out to my personal commissioner, who is a wonderful gentleman and has been on the board for a very long time.
And he did listen and I did actually then connect with our election clerk and did get answers, not responses, not necessarily answers, but responses to my questions.
Okay.
And so you've been at this now for a few years, you know, trying to get answers.
And one of the things that appears to be kind of what I'm hearing out of Carver County is that the commissioners tend to want to leave the decisions to the county auditor, as well as your county administrator, to manage those day-to-day and election activities without very little oversight from the commissioners.
Is that a fair assessment?
That would be my observation, is that it is pretty much handled by our county administrator, and then the person who's in charge of the elections.
So they tend to dictate to the rest, and I would also say the county attorney.
The county attorney has a very large say in how this is moving forward.
Okay, and Did you ever get the resolution changed for the ballot boards?
How long did that take?
It was quite a feat.
We didn't get it changed to exactly how we wanted it changed, but they did update it because it had been, since 2009, it was no longer valid.
So we did point that out to them and then they did update it, but it wasn't to how I would have written it.
And how would you have written it?
Well, I would have said that they had to have absolute balanced party balance from A to Z on all of the different processes.
And they weren't quite that specific.
So they still left it open to doing a lot of just employees, which are then deputized county auditors to help with that.
So I also took a little time and deep-dived into your city and county employees, and we found out for the most part they're unionized, correct?
Many are, yep.
And we also found out that that union only donates to one side of the aisle, correct?
Well, in 2020, you found it out.
I didn't.
In 2020, 100% was donated to the Democrats, and in 2022, 100% was donated to the Democrats.
And I haven't checked into it for this year, but I don't know if that would have changed or not.
And what was surprising in both years that we reviewed that, it was more than what the Republican Party was even able to raise for themselves.
Yes.
Yes.
It was quite a large donation.
Yeah, and so this is where I really was stressing out there in the public that we really shouldn't put our employees in that kind of a position that we kind of get that negative eye to say, look, if you're going to be donating to one side of the aisle, you really shouldn't have oversight of our elections because that just kind of seems nefarious.
And when we talk about Transparency has the inoculation to defeat any conspiracy theories.
And you're only using one, your employees who are donating to one side.
Now we don't, Minnesota does not have party ID in their voter registration rolls, like some of the other states do.
And so the application is supposed to go through the party, but then when the parties don't have enough people, the cities will take out ads through newspapers and then try to fill in.
And if they don't do that, they use their own employees.
Yes, as I understand it, I think they try to use the employees actually before they even put out an ad in the paper, if they can fill it that way.
Right, and in your area, they don't even care about looking through the party list.
They just want to just act like water and take the path of least resistance, do the minimum amount of work, and just use their own staff and the city staff, correct?
Well, that's what I found, or that's what it appears to be, is that's the easiest route for them, so that's the route that they choose, is just to have the employees.
And I'm sure that it's, you know, a nice little bonus.
They get paid for it, so it's not like their regular job, as I understand it.
I believe that they will get paid, so it's a little extra bonus to work on those, on the absentee ballot board.
And who doesn't like to collect some money?
Right, exactly.
So I can't blame them.
The other piece of this is you've tried to look at some interesting information such as the test decks, right?
And the public accuracy tests and those reports.
What's your, what's the response been to try and get that data?
Well, I'm a little surprised.
That it isn't easier.
You ask for the data and then they like to give responses versus answers to many of the data requests.
And most recently, as you know, because you and I have communicated about it, I've been trying to request a particular set of data that would be from the machine testing.
And, you know, I've basically been given questions Questioning me about what the actual information is and then basically given a You're not getting that information answer.
So just today I've actually reached out to two separate places.
One is the Republican Party and I we've got a new person who was actually in Carver County just a couple days ago.
So I did reach out and talk to that person who's supposed to help with elections here in Minnesota and And so I know that he's going to be working with our attorney, our Minnesota attorney here to try and resolve that as well.
Good, good.
Because it's actually really important.
As I've started looking at test decks through the upper Midwest, I'm finding a large percentage of election officials don't do them properly.
And it is really discouraging to see multiple candidates on a ballot And candidates on the same race where they have the same numbers being used.
And so we wouldn't know if the votes were flipped.
And then we also see invalid testing to where some candidates aren't even assigned a vote to even validate whether or not the machine is working and dropping votes into those buckets appropriately.
And that's really disheartening.
I hate to break this, but in Wyoming, I've just looked at five of the counties and four or five failed utterly and actually broke their laws.
That's how bad it is.
And I just got another one today from Wisconsin from an activist, this poor county.
Every single precinct had errors in it across the ballot, and it is just stunning how bad it is.
And so I'm afraid that even the ones that I have reviewed in the last couple of weeks from Minnesota, Benton County, and also a precinct out in Stillwater, they also Uh, we're not sufficient in their testing.
And so it kind of leads me to believe that there isn't good training from the EAC.
There's not good training from the vendors.
And there's certainly not good training from the auditors association or association of clerks, or even the secretary of state's office.
And it's really disappointing that here we are in 2024, the standards really haven't changed since 2005.
And it's still this bad.
Yes, I would agree.
Yes, I definitely would agree.
Now, in our case, I did go to the election testing, and one thing that I noticed was for our, which is kind of a big race, I think your congressperson, you know, your United States congressperson is a big race, and so we had a total of 37 votes that we were testing.
You know, it's not like hundreds or thousands, it was 37 votes.
And if I'm remembering correctly it was 33 out of those 37 did not have a vote.
So there was only like four that they were actually testing along with the other votes for the other office.
So I just found that really interesting.
Now maybe that's fine and it works but it seemed to me to be like just a teeny tiny minute test of all of the different options that there are and I thought that was the whole purpose of the test.
You're actually right.
And so you want to make sure that you are testing the full capabilities of the equipment.
And in your case in Minnesota, Uh, you were testing on a DS-200 ES&S system, which is a precinct based scanner.
And so that would not have absentee ballots.
And so therefore folds aren't needed to be there, but you would want it in the central count at the county side.
Now, the other thing that would be a unique test that would have to be tested based upon what you just told me, I'm gravely concerned.
There is an express vote system there for the people with disabilities, correct?
And they'll have a vote summary card.
Yes.
And so that would be a smaller type ballot that would have barcodes on it for each of the candidates with the names listed below.
And so those would also have to be tested as robustly as a hand-filled out ballot.
And it sounds like they didn't do that in your precinct.
Well, they did do... I wasn't paying complete attention as much as I could have because I had not attended it before, so I wasn't sure exactly what I was or wasn't supposed to be watching for.
They did try, I believe it was like seven ballots, if I'm correct, because they wanted to try a couple of the different testing where they were testing the system as to if you were disabled and you needed to use this particular system.
So I did see them test that.
It was, you know, a handful of the 37.
And therefore, I just was surprised when I was watching, you know, the totality of all of the votes that for the one race, we only we had literally 33 or 34 blanks out of 37 votes cast on either side.
And I just, you know, just for me, I just didn't think that that was a very good Sure.
test for it and I'm not sure why they chose to do that.
Sure. Now did they allow you to fill out any of the ballots there? No, I just watched. It was some
really nice people who were just there, you know, volunteering. Very nice people trying to do their
job.
And, you know, if you look and you ask, unfortunately, they feel like or it appeared as though they felt like they were being tested or scrutinized.
And I just was curious as to how the whole process went, along with two other women who were there as well, because we've never been a part of it.
So it was really interesting.
I suggest that people go to that when they do the voting every two years just to learn something.
I learned a lot, had never participated before.
And I guess that's what I'm most shocked about.
I didn't do it and I always assumed somebody else did.
And, you know, the fact of the matter is, Rick, you're somebody who did, but there are very few who did and do.
Right, right.
Thank you.
I appreciate that and I'm glad you did as well and I'm glad that you're here to share the message that it's not scary to be there.
Generally it's a good time and unfortunately for election officials they're really disappointed that we don't show up and so this is part of our elections that we have to actually make sure that we are participating.
Now one piece of advice that I do have for election officials is Could we maybe do it in the evening when more people could show up?
That would be a help and so I would encourage you to remind your election officials that for the general election to please do that to try and get more people involved in the election process because it is so important to understand how these systems work and this is one of those key components that can help establish trust in the system is if we understand the testing and we can see that the results are Transparent and that we can actually see that they look good.
And unfortunately, you got the first part of the door to be there, but now in post, you're not able to get simple reports.
That's really bad.
And I would actually recommend to election officials, please post them online on your website.
You should be proud of your work.
Post it so then we can help evaluate it.
And if we see an issue, we can email you and then you would still have time to potentially fix it before the election so that we can address any of those concerns right away.
Yes, our gal who was doing the testing there, super nice, probably just feeling a little, well, I don't know how she was feeling, so I can't really say how she was feeling, but I got the impression that if we were asking questions about the process or how it worked, that there was maybe a little bit of What I would call defensiveness.
Like, oh my gosh, we were trying to catch him doing something wrong and we really weren't trying to do that.
We were just interested in how does the process work and it's so easy to come in after somebody else has done something and question it or think that something should be done differently or in a different way once somebody's done it.
It's so much easier, right, than breaking ground yourself.
So it was interesting and I just thought that maybe there was a little bit of defensiveness where there really wasn't one it was just curiosity not only on my own self but on the part of a couple two other women who were there as well just wanting to know what the process was and how it all works and and now the lovely people who were there doing the testing I think a couple of them might have been employees but I believe the rest of them We're just people who volunteered and had been volunteers for literally years and in some cases, I think like a decade or two.
Very nice people.
Good, good.
And one of the top things that I have observed from your county is when you do send an email, at least the county staff seems to be responsive.
It may not be the answer we want, but at least they are reading it and they are replying right away.
Yes.
Now, I will say, I don't know if I'm supposed to say that or not, but when I started this journey two years ago, I had put through a couple of requests and didn't get any responses.
And it wasn't until I called my commissioner and said, hey, what's the scoop here, that I started getting some responses.
And they weren't necessarily even answers, they were responses.
So, yes, we do get some answers, which is wonderful to get.
And I'm not sure why they're, it appears to me as though they're very defensive and Myself and no one else is claiming that our county employees are doing anything wrong.
We're just curious and want to know how the process works.
And I think it appears as though they find that invasive, maybe, and questioning their integrity.
And we're not doing that at all.
We've got lovely people that work at the cities.
We've got lovely people that work at the counties.
And truth be told, They probably aren't where any fraud is done anyway, and I do think there's a lot of fraud that happens, but it isn't through them, most likely.
Right.
And that's kind of what we've identified is that, unfortunately, it's the unsecured drop boxes that counties allow.
It is some of the voter registration items that we see in Minnesota.
And Minnesota is one of the states that recently changed its laws to allow illegals to get driver's licenses in Minnesota.
That's correct?
Yes, that is correct.
Yes.
And it sounds like Minnesota might have a lawsuit forthcoming regarding that situation.
So viewers, stay tuned.
We'll see where that goes.
I'm also aware that there's a couple cases in the Minnesota Supreme Court regarding some of the elections, especially the modem issue.
And then I believe there's some other voter registration issues that a couple of the other attorneys have taken on.
So we'll definitely want to stay tuned as to what is happening in Minnesota.
And I think this election coming up next Tuesday is going to show a lot of where Minnesota is going.
I hate to put you on the spot, but how do you feel the Republican Party of Minnesota or even the RNC is doing in regards to kind of a plan for election integrity?
That's a loaded question, Rick, because I'm not, I'm critical of it.
I don't see that there is much of a plan.
And the one plan that they did launch was just last week.
And it was actually happened to be at Carver County, where I am.
And they had a wonderful group of people.
They had Laura Trump in there.
They had Pam Bondi.
Is it what Michael Watley, our RNC chair?
And we had some local people as well.
I mean, it was really a big deal that they put on here in Carver County, and it was to kick off, you know, this election integrity group.
But the I was looking for maybe something a little bit more vast than what they are talking about.
And so I was just a little bit disappointed with the depth of what they were going to be covering.
And as I understand it, I think they were just going to, you know, go with the same safe bet of just getting out the vote and trying to get people
to get out there and get the vote, which is wonderful, but we need more than just that in our
integrity of our election.
Yeah, and I think you're right, and that's a fair way to put it without
getting too much into the detail, because they didn't really give much detail.
And one of your partners out there, Don, our friend, he's actually been really critical in looking at some of the data throughout the entire state of Minnesota and getting that out to the local activists to be able to start canvassing, looking for the PO boxes, looking for the dead voters, Looking for the invalid addresses, but then we've taken it another level where now we've developed a canvassing app that is showing houses where there are no registered voters.
And so we're able to try and engage those folks in your area as well as other areas throughout greater Minnesota to try and get those people registered to vote.
And so I think this is one of the things that I would like to see the RNC really do because there are so many people that we're not connecting with.
And I think we need to bring back that welcome neighbor.
And I think we really need to start looking through our voter rolls to find out Who has maybe aged that is unable to vote because they may not have the transportation out there.
And connecting and scheduling that time to bring people to the polls on election day I think is going to be one of the biggest things that Minnesotans can do and even across the country.
It's one of the simplest things that you can do yourself.
Get to know your neighbors and find out if you can help them vote if they're unable to drive.
And especially in Minnesota.
I really want to harp on this.
Do you remember 1991, the Halloween storm?
Sure do.
And so that happens before an election.
And in some areas of Minnesota, they lost power.
So the reality is, the machines may not work.
And so I would really encourage people to go to uscase.org And start learning how to do hand counting and make sure that they're available for their election officials.
So that way, if the machines don't work, we can get the generators going and the flashlights and still hand count our elections to make sure that we have proper.
counts and tallies done on election night, no matter what.
Because even though the FBI, CISA, and Homeland Security have basically put out alerts saying that
there may be attacks on our election, I think as a good Boy Scout,
we should be prepared at this point.
Definitely always good to be prepared for the worst.
Right, and so one of the things I would encourage everybody here in the United States
that is listening to this program, I want you to go ask your county commissioners
and your election official, what is their disaster recovery plan for the elections?
Do they have a hand count method ready to go?
Whether you use U.S.
Case or Linda Rance or some other method that is within your state statutes, please start practicing that now and encourage your State Board of Elections or your Secretary of State to start fine-tuning that so that it's more efficient and go head-to-head.
With Linda's systems, with USK's system, and what your state offers, and let's see what the best systems are, and let's make changes towards that.
Excellent idea.
And so, what inspires you to keep doing what you're doing?
That's a loaded question, Rick.
I just woke up after the last election in 2020 and thought, what the heck happened?
Because I just couldn't believe it.
I just couldn't believe it.
So that just started me down a journey of meeting you and just learning things that I didn't know.
I didn't even know that there was such a thing as an absentee ballot board.
I didn't know that it was, you know, nothing in my case for my county at the time.
For 2020, because of the COVID and all of that, that it was all employees of the county that did it.
It wasn't party balanced.
Although there may have been a couple that are party balanced there, it was just employees.
And they had a test to do and it was a really crappy time.
So I'm very thankful for that.
But once we realized that all these people are going to be casting votes, we had over half of our votes in Carver County, Minnesota, were cast in 2020 via absentee ballot.
So it just became a really important part to me that in 2022 to at least have some sort of a balance between having just not employees, not that we have dishonest employees, but if you cast a vote, you basically are choosing a side.
So it's kind of hard to be Well, open-minded enough when we kind of have our own mind made up as to how we would like that ballot to look, if it's questionable at all.
So it's, I just think that the processes that they put in place to have both eyes on the ballot was just an exceptional process.
And Rick, I also thought that the way that you managed, I don't know if you've talked about this before on this program or not, if so, I haven't seen it, but you facilitate a how to hand count And that is phenomenal.
I mean, absolutely phenomenal.
Everyone who attended that, including myself, it's just a phenomenal program for learning how to hand count without having to depend on these machines, which, you know, we get iffy on whether or not there's other outside influences.
I happen to think that there are, but You know, then again, they haven't allowed us to prove it one way or the other.
It hasn't been proven that there isn't fraud, there hasn't been proven that there is fraud, other than, what, a whole bunch of one in a trillion equations that, you know, there's no way that it possibly could happen naturally.
So, but they, you know, they won't let us have access to those machines.
So, I would like to get rid of the machines myself and do the hand counting.
You provide an excellent exercise for that for people that are in groups of four.
I don't know if you want to discuss that or maybe that's a different program or a different time, but it's really phenomenal and I wish that we would all adopt that.
Well, thank you.
And it sounds like Nevada, in some cases, has been looking at it and maybe adopting it as part of their disaster recovery plan.
And thank you for the kind words.
And this system was really developed out of South Dakota and Minnesota, and then expanded into South Carolina, Ohio, and Texas, and then out into other states and even Wisconsin and now into Wyoming to kind of keep fine-tuning it.
The feedback is similar to what you've said after we have fine-tuned this thing and came up with the final product that is available on the website of uscase.org, where you can actually follow along in a short video.
And actually, I count out 126 ballots that you can follow along for a governor race and see how the process works.
We are going to expand those video offerings.
When we do some of our hand count studies in South Dakota and Wyoming, we're going to video them for the full length.
So that way people can kind of follow along and do a whole series, an entire ballot at home and be able to kind of have that experience.
And so we'll develop that.
And especially as I come back to Minnesota, we'll do another big session out there.
And so this is a challenge to you is when you guys want to host me back in Carver County, We'll do a big hand count study out there again and invite a bunch of people.
Maybe at the winery would be a good place to do it.
A good relaxing spot.
There are good patriots out there.
So I'd be excited to come back to Minnesota.
It is, my mom lives there.
And so of course I'm always welcome back, you know, with family, friends and customers out there in Minnesota.
And so my heart is still there, even though I'm in South Dakota and I've met You know, my family, you know, we've got our family out here as well and great friends and great patriots and the patriots across the country.
Thank you all of you for what you're doing to help make our country better.
And let's remember the other point that you said so clearly is it's not our responsibility to prove that there's problems with the machines.
It's their responsibility to prove that there were no issues with the machines.
And they're doing a horrible job about this.
And especially since 2005, when they've had all of the opportunities to step up to the plate, to learn everything about the machines, to make sure they're as transparent as possible.
And at another level, Minnesota.
For three years, I was out there campaigning about cast boat records.
Steve Simon sits there and smears me, and so does David Madea and so many other people within the government of Minnesota, especially the Secretary of State's office and county auditor saying, Cast vote records don't exist.
They're not a thing in Minnesota.
Are you kidding me?
They're actually a thing and then they finally pass a statute in their late night in the budgetary where they basically say, okay, here's what we're going to do.
We're going to ban your ability to get ballot images and we're going to only give you limited cast vote records.
And they didn't even define it.
So obviously I was right because I was out there saying, look, it's already defined by the National Institute of Science and Technology.
It's a standard out there.
And so Um, did I get a thank you or anything like that from the secretary of state to kind of help them along or the legislature?
Of course not.
Um, but it proved the point that they exist.
And we knew that from the EAC certification.
We knew that from the standards and the very fact that they don't care to show us and they don't want to have that transparency is basically a slap in the face because so many statutes, including Minnesota, when you do do a hand count, the count shall be public.
Then Minnesota decides to take even a more draconian action this year when they found out that we wanted to potentially remove the machines from some of the municipalities or the counties because they had kind of that backwards control from the municipalities could determine whether they wanted to have machines in all or some of their precincts.
Oh no, the legislature is like, once you've used them, you're in it forever.
Isn't that disgusting?
Yes, and that's a really good point here in Minnesota.
If we don't actually pass some laws by our counties, that if they don't have some sort of a hand count option with it, it's going to be left to machine count only.
And that's a scary proposition, I think, because I don't really trust the machines from what I have learned of them.
Right.
And one of the other successful campaigns that's been happening is through Anoka County Election Integrity Team, led by Derek Lynn, and also a group of a great 20 patriots out there that have been going around to the various cities and asking for a hundred percent post-election audit so that they could actually get additional transparency in their elections.
And I think that's really good and creative that they're looking for that transparency to get that confidence back into their systems.
And so this is another avenue that I think Minnesotans should continue to look for and leverage in the state.
Well, I found that just as an observation, Anoka County commissioners tend to be more open to different ideas and changes versus our commissioners here are all lovely individual people, but they don't seem to want to get out of their comfort zone to address certain situations.
So they basically defer it to the county administrator.
And so that's where we pretty much are here in Carver County.
Okay, perfect.
Now, if you would, I'd like to look at a logic and accuracy test together.
And so, Apollo, I'm gonna make your life really difficult out there.
And so, I'm gonna click the button to do my screen sharing.
Oh, see, this is where Apollo is just absolutely amazing.
I'm hoping his voice came across on the show here, because his voice is actually really beautiful.
So this is a logic and accuracy test that I got out of Wyoming.
And, uh, just got it today and you can see all these red arrows.
And so this is a U.S.
Senate race where we can see the, um, we actually have like John Holtz.
Uh, he has, uh, six votes that, um, also conflict with the right in total.
So as I'm sitting here reviewing this, you can see all of these red arrows point to areas where there could be problems.
So in this case, John Holtz on the first line in this precinct could actually have vote flips with the write-in totals.
Then we get to the next precinct here, and John Brasso could have vote flips with the write-in totals, because both of these are sitting at six.
That's not good.
Each of these numbers going across the lines for each of the precincts should actually be unique, and because they're not, it's actually a violation of Wyoming state law.
And it actually creates an issue.
And so even down here in this race where John Barrasso and John Holtz both have 12 votes, you wouldn't know if the votes were flipped between those two candidates.
And the same thing within this same precinct where Reid Rassner and the right-hand totals both have eight votes.
We won't know if those vote totals were flipped.
This is not a good way to run an election, and this is where we actually have to look at this and really deep dive.
Now when we start looking at, and so we have the prime number test decks available up at uscase.org, and how you can detect rounding errors.
And so this is an example of Three races with the prime number in it.
So you would start out with the number three and in the other two bout positions, we'll either have 36 or 20.
And then what we want to expect is that any number that you're putting here on the left hand side, we want to make sure it comes back out on the right hand side on the ticker tape or on the reports of the machines.
And so when we are using full decimal points as a setting within the system, we should actually get the same numbers back.
However, what we've noticed is that if you set the machine just to have one decimal point, you can actually see That there are 27 errors and only 3 races are correct, and you can see where it can actually puff the numbers up considerably.
where all of a sudden that 3 becomes a 6, that 36 becomes a 41, and that 20 becomes a 24.
Now if you use two decimal places there are only seven errors and 23 are correct.
And you can see here right away that the 3 becomes a 4, the 36 becomes a 37, the 20 stays in place, but it inflated votes.
This is not good.
But if we were to make sure that we had at least three decimal places, now we can actually see that everything comes back into being in the correct status, where it's a complete match on the left side to the right side.
And so there are a lot of people who are setting machines out there who may not know the impact of what they're doing out there.
And so this is why it's so important to make sure that we have clarity within our elections and that we see what is happening with the test decks.
So between the assignment of the numbers and the rounding, these are serious critical issues that we have to get clarity in our elections.
And so I'll flip back over to Jen here and just kind of get your thoughts of your first time kind of seeing this.
How does that make you feel about elections when there isn't that transparency?
Well, when I attended, not good.
I was a little surprised that out of the 37 votes that we were testing the machine that I was watching, you know, 33.
I'm hoping I'm getting these numbers correctly.
I believe the total votes that they counted was 37 and that 33 out of the 37 didn't even have a vote for who our congressman was for congressman or woman.
That race was for the United States.
I just found that very odd.
You know, whether it is odd, I don't know.
I just found it odd that you wouldn't want to test that and some different numbers together.
Right, exactly.
And so the other thing that we have to worry about too, and so this chart kind of shows that, is that we want to have unique numbers across the races.
Because here we have this case out in Pennsylvania where there was a judicial retention election where two judges on two separate races, they had their votes assigned to each other.
And so those votes were flipped.
And so when they say it can't happen, it did happen.
And it has been happening, and one of the biggest things that both Dominion and ES&S will kind of look at their situation and say, well, you, the election official, didn't properly test the equipment, so you could have caught that and alerted us.
And so that really tells us that they don't test their programming before they send it out and release it into the wild of us the voters and the election officials together.
And if we're not out there helping election officials understand this, because we're seeing all these cases across the country and the election officials are not.
They don't know what's happening across the United States.
And there are these rhymes of things that are happening that could Be an early canary to warn on how to protect our elections and make sure that they are clear and that they're transparent.
And so I really want to thank you for the work that you guys are doing.
Carver County in Minnesota, thank you so much.
You are basically kind of neighbors.
Thank you, Rick.
You're the leader.
Oh yeah, thanks.
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It is just absolutely stunning that Minnesota has suffered under the tutelage of It's a crazy state.
I mean, I've joked for years that going to Minneapolis is nothing but a riot, you know,
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This is a mostly peaceful protest and meanwhile, the city is burning behind them.
It's a crazy state.
It is a crazy state.
And I was down there during the riots working with clients and had to rescue a client from
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And Minnesota has a lot of great, beautiful people, intelligent people.
It's a beautiful state.
It's a great place.
Great place to raise a family still, especially in rural Minnesota.
But you're slipping.
I remember when Minnesota was one of the top three areas for education, and now you're kind of barely above the middle of the pack.
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Thank you, Rick.
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