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Oct. 17, 2023 - The Lindell Report - Mike Lindell
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Jack Posobiec & Roger Stone On What You Need To Know About The War In The Middle East
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And now, Lindell TV brings you The Stone Zone with legendary Republican strategist and political
icon and pundit Roger Stone.
Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
He is a New York Times best-selling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
And now, here's your host, Roger Stone!
I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.
If you came up through the conservative movement, the movement that elected Ronald Reagan president, the movement that ultimately elected Donald Trump president, then you understand the importance of human events.
Human events is a I guess you'd call it a news outlet.
It was originally a print newspaper that was fundamental in the formation of the modern conservative movement.
It was human events that championed the early candidacy of Senator Barry Goldwater.
It is human events which fostered The conservative movement that ultimately nominated and successfully elected Ronald Reagan.
And today it is human events that lays the foundation for the America First agenda.
Therefore, I'm very privileged to have with me today a senior editor at Human Events to help us break down all of the events of the day, particularly those pertaining to this war in Israel, Jack Posobiec.
Welcome to The Stone Zone.
Roger, thanks again for having me on.
I wish it were under better circumstances and of course it's not.
My fillies are doing well in the playoffs and my family's all excited about that.
But again, here we are looking at the unfortunate truth or the unfortunate fulfillment of John Mearsheimer's warning of the United States' current foreign policy becoming embroiled in a multi-front Uh, conflict going on around the world.
And this is something that Mearsheimer has been warning about singularly for about a year at this point, ever since the United States embarked in this ill-fated proxy war with the Russian state in the country of Ukraine.
Now we find ourselves on the brink of a new proxy war with potentially Iran or even wider regional countries throughout the Middle East.
Jack, that's an excellent analysis.
Would it not be fair to say that our munitions, at a minimum, are already severely depleted, as are the munitions of our allies?
And, of course, the cost continues to skyrocket.
Every time you turn around, it's a couple billion here, more, and so on.
This has had the effect, of course, the events in Israel, of knocking Ukraine out of the news cycle.
Isn't that interesting?
Well, that's exactly right.
You know, it wasn't bad enough for the Ukrainians to put me on a kill list, this Mirovorets kill list in Ukraine that they placed me on a few months ago.
But now, with the events of Israel, it seems all by end that the military-industrial complex has forgotten about Ukraine.
Zelensky, by the way, He offered to come to Israel.
He said, please, please take me in.
Let me come down to Israel.
I'd love to make a solidarity visit with you, even though who knows what's going on in terms of the aircraft, the airports, the security situation there.
He wants to come into a state visit in terms of all of this because he's trying to find a way to make himself relevant again.
Israel, Times of Israel just reported earlier today That essentially told him, thanks, but now's not the time for a visit, Zelensky.
So they essentially rejected his visit request to Israel.
And it seems as though he's being left holding the proverbial bag in Kiev as he faces the full might of Vladimir Putin and the Russian army.
In 1973, to the surprise of the state of Israel and their intelligence agencies, Israel found itself under attack almost exactly 50 years ago commensurate with this attack on Israel in the 1973 Yom Kippur War.
Once again there seemed to be a failure in Israel's vaunted intelligence capability and the Egyptians and the Syrians launched a one-front war against Israel but a one-front war in which the Israelis were essentially Out of ammunition, caught by surprise, and with their backs to the Red Sea.
It was then, and only then, that Israel was saved from total annihilation by a brave American president, Richard Nixon, who over the objections of Dr. Henry Kissinger, his National Security Advisor, over the objections of the Joint Chiefs, including Admiral Thomas Moorer, Who is a Navy Admiral who chaired the Joint Chiefs at the time and essentially his entire foreign policy apparatus.
Nixon, of course, airlifted $36 million worth of lethal aid to Israel.
Golda Meir said that he saved Israel from total annihilation.
So my question for you, Jack, is how is it possible Given its reputation as one of the finest intelligence agencies in the world, how could this Hamas terror attack be the tremendous intelligence failure that it appears to be?
Roger, that really has been the big question in a lot of people's minds, but I think that understanding the context of Israel's political climate just over the past month, the past two months, really could shed some light on this, because there's been a situation where Bibi Netanyahu's premiership Has been severely embattled by these massive nationwide protests, of course, which have all been all but gone away at this point.
But there were huge calls for him to get out of office over this judicial reform package that he was pushing for.
His opponents were calling it Bench, they were saying that he was stacking the bench, that he was putting his own allies there to keep him in power forever.
They called it a massive power grab.
You had hundreds of thousands of people in some of these protests coming out and there was a huge element of this, Roger.
And again, you can just watch any Israeli media and you'll see this.
In fact, 60 Minutes, about one month ago, ran a huge piece on this where members of the IDF, and this is significant, members of the IDF Have been resigning in their reserve capacity.
So people understand that almost everyone in Israel or anyone is at least a fighting age military age men and women join the IDF in a reserve capacity.
They take turns guarding the border.
They guard other specific significant points of the country because they are under constant threat like this from barrages from not only Gaza, but also Hezbollah and then of course issues with the West Bank.
And so many reservists have been quitting the service in protest of Bibi Netanyahu.
And one month ago, almost exactly to the day, September 18th to October 7th, or just maybe three weeks, that 60 Minutes ran a piece saying, is it possible that Israel's national security has been compromised by this protest movement of people resigning from the IDF?
Now, I'm not saying that that's directly related, but I am saying that it is part of this broader context whereby in these attacks took place.
And I think clearly what happened is that Hamas took advantage of this political turmoil within Israel at the time.
And at the same time as well, the Netanyahu administration, maybe they did receive intelligence from the Egyptians.
We're told that there was a lot of intelligence running around that looked like Hamas was putting something up.
But we wonder if not for this internal turmoil, perhaps that intelligence would have been taken more seriously.
So you reject this idea that Netanyahu is somehow purposely wagging the dog.
I'm not saying that.
I'm just asking you to react to the claim.
I've heard the claim.
I'm not sold.
I'm just not sold because there was so much that was going on inside Israel at the same time that what it seems like seems like it is is that just as you say in the 1970s that you certainly saw the mobilization of the Arab forces, the Jordanians, the Egyptians, the Syrians throughout their borders, and yet Israel didn't mobilize in response to this.
I think it's a similar situation to that.
I have a mind Roger.
It's not just I'll say as well on in terms of defending that it's not just yet in Yahoo, right?
So it's you've got huge layers of the IDF.
You've got the Mossad.
You've got huge layers of the security services all the way down to the territorial and regional levels.
They knew that they were putting up.
I think you make a compelling case.
23 observation posts around the Gaza Strip all had their, they were all manned by single soldiers,
many of them female, by the way, and every single one of them was killed
in the onslaught of this.
And so I can't imagine those territorial officers would have been complicit in something like that.
I just can't see it.
I think you make a compelling case.
Is there any doubt in your mind that the Iranian deal to essentially unfreeze $6 billion in assets
is the triggering event in this attack on Israel?
I mean, uh, I think it's, I think it's ridiculous that if there's any less ridiculous that the breeds breeds aggression.
Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
That's exactly right.
No, I think that it's ridiculous that the Biden administration was making this assertion in in the early days in response to this, the saying that, oh, that money was only earmarks for humanitarian ends.
Well, money is fungible.
And this perhaps this is this this belies the the true reason for why Democrats are so bad at economics, because they don't actually understand that money can be used for multiple purposes.
That's why the concept of money was created in the first place, as a matter of fact, as it turns out.
And so, yes, the money could be used for humanitarian purposes, but if you've got more money for humanitarian purposes, then guess what, boys and girls?
You can take that money and use it for war.
And whether Iran gave the green light or not to Hamas, Hamas knew that that massive pot of money was sitting there, And Roger, one country whose actions and role in all of this has been largely ignored, I think, by the administration and by the media is the country of Qatar.
The country of Qatar is where the money is sitting of this six billion for the Iranians.
It's in Qatari accounts.
The country of Qatar is also where the leadership of Hamas is sitting, many of which live in Massive, luxurious mansions up there.
They're sitting on billions in terms of the LNG wealth of Qatar.
And Qatar is also the country where the United States has a massive air force base and a massive military presence.
Qatar, of course, the same company or the same country that pays for in whole and is
the sole owner of the Al Jazeera propaganda network.
They funded the Brookings Institute.
They funded many think tanks around Washington, D.C.
Mike Cernovich and I did a documentary about Qatar called Blood Money a few years ago,
specifically talking about the amount, the sheer amount, vast amount of Qatari money
that goes and washes.
Excellent documentary.
Washington, D.C. and really raises a lot of questions as to why we allow this and suddenly
why it seems that no one seems to take real interest in this key player in the region.
Excellent point, by the way.
Excellent documentary.
For those who haven't seen it, I recommend it to you.
General Flynn was on my WABC radio show this weekend.
He is deeply concerned about America's ability to fight a two-front war.
He is concerned about the Israelis running out of ammunition once again.
He thinks that their Iron Dome runs out of ammunition after two or Three days, although it has appeared to be effective so far.
He also shares a concern that these U.S.
naval carriers are sitting ducks for anti-ship missiles, which we know Hamas has access to.
As someone with a background in naval intelligence and someone who's using these matters I greatly respect, give us your analysis of Oh, it's certainly possible, Roger.
And it's Hezbollah in the 2006 dust-up between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon, when a few Israeli soldiers were taken captive and then taken into southern Lebanon by Lebanese Hezbollah.
Hezbollah actually did score a few hits on some SAR-5 Israeli patrol ships that were operating in the Eastern Mediterranean Sea with their anti-ship cruise missiles.
So Hezbollah has shown to have a proven capability of launching, targeting, and striking ships at sea that are within range, which includes, of course, right now, Not one, but two U.S.
aircraft carriers.
And as you say, a veteran Navy intelligence officer, my thoughts and prayers go out immediately to the sailors that are on those ships.
Roger, one aircraft carrier is 5,000 American souls. 5,000.
two aircraft carriers, that means 10,000 Americans in harm's way. And Joe Biden now calling for
another 2,000 soldiers to deploy. And in fact, I'm hearing that the special forces component of this
is far more significant than anything the White House has put out publicly. They are looking to go
in very large, even though we're told that they won't be taking part directly in an operation to
get out the hostages. I think that actually makes sense because IDF and US SOF, they don't have a
lot of interoperability.
operability situations. But again, if you remember Black Hawk Down or remember Mogadishu
or any of these stories, operating in an austere environment such as this, fully dense, extreme
urban warfare, these are very dire situations for any American who goes anywhere within
the region. Roger, when it comes to those aircraft carriers, the world's changed a lot
in the last 18 months. The use of kamikaze drones, specifically the Shahad-2s that Iran
has manufactured and Russia has their version called the Geron.
They're known as lawnmowers.
They're known as Doritos because of their shape. They sort of have the V-shape like
a Dorito. These are kamikaze drones.
Now, the U.S.
u.s.
air force the u.s.
air u.s.
navy anti-air capability is designed around missile defense so shooting down an anti-ship cruise missile but if you've got ...a joint component of anti-ship cruise missiles...
With drones, with a drone swarm tactic, as well as naval drones that we've seen both Russia and Ukraine field in the Black Sea, it wouldn't take a lot of effort for those very same tactics to be used against one of our aircraft carriers.
And that's not even saying anything about the hypersonic glide vehicles, the hypersonic missiles that have been developed by Russia, China, and Iran.
Because the world has changed so much over the last 18 months, I've said it before that I think our aircraft carriers are vastly becoming obsolete.
I think that if we get involved in a Taiwan Strait scenario with China, the real question is how many aircraft carriers do we lose?
How many souls do we see at the bottom of the South China Sea or the East China Sea in terms of that, the Taiwan Straits?
And in this situation as well, We must be very, very careful about the operating range of those aircraft carriers because if they get within range, they are very much potentially sitting ducks for all of those targets.
There's even been some images that have been disseminated on social media that all say, I don't know the full picture of the forced laydown or the order of naval battle in the Eastern Med, but I hope that our cruisers and our destroyers are operating very tightly in conjunction with the aircraft carriers to provide them with secure aerial defense because otherwise they will indeed be sitting ducks for a
Yeah, good memory.
of potential strikes.
Not to mention, by the way, the US coal situation where the US coal, when it was tied up in harbor,
they simply had a couple of guys drive up on a boat and with full of explosives, pop one below the water line
and they took out the entire USS Cole.
Yeah, good memory.
So breaking news out of the post-millennium, one of our favorites,
Biden administration has selected 2000 troops to prepare to deploy to Israel.
This is what you were just referring to.
It's interesting that it doesn't mention that there are over 5000 contractors already on the ground.
While they may not work directly for the military, they work indirectly for the US government.
The administration keeps telling us that they won't be in combat roles, yet in the next breath they say we'll do anything and everything that Israel needs or wants.
Shouldn't Americans be deeply concerned about U.S.
troops being utilized here?
Roger, I think we should.
I mean, it only goes to show you we can all see the breaking headline, right?
When you're facing terrorist groups, that doesn't mean that they're going to attack an open field.
That means they're going to be looking for people that they're going to be looking for barracks.
They're going to be looking for people that are on leave.
They're going to be looking for people they could target for potential hostages.
Again, as we've already seen, Hamas, there's been there was a video circulating on social media today that reportedly was hamas uh the first video they released of a hostage a female made her read a statement on camera um talking about this so just imagine just and i want everyone to imagine that um what would happen if a us
U.S.
service member was in that situation.
We don't even have to imagine that far back, do we, Roger?
Because we remember the situation at Farsi Island, January 2016, under the Obama administration, when U.S.
sailors were taken hostage by Iran at gunpoint by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, the IRGC, when their small boat Essentially ran out of fuel at Farsi Island and the Obama administration did nothing to get them back in the first place, at least militarily, and then ended up, thanks to John Kerry, paying them off with, as we were just talking about, this billions of dollars, paying them off in cash, pallets of cash, as President Trump talked about in 2016.
We have to remember that those pallets of cash that went to Iran were doing so as a ransom payment for Iran taking our service members hostage.
Roger, here's the dirty little secret.
Hamas doesn't want to be paid off.
Hamas wants to become martyrs, and Hamas wants to ignite a wider war.
This is, by the way, something I think a lot of people have gotten wrong.
Hamas is not looking for a political or diplomatic situation here.
Hamas wants to spark a wider war that involves the United States, that involves the wider region, Because they seek the destruction of Israel as a state.
They do not want Israel to exist.
And they say this on a regular basis, an hourly basis.
They say we want death to Israel from the river to the sea, etc.
And so they would not care how many Palestinians have to die in any civilian context, civilian Collateral damage context, because they want to do everything possible to draw the wider Arab world, to draw Iran into direct conflict with Israel.
Iran, which has extremely significant ballistic missile capabilities that they could bring to bear on Tel Aviv, on Jerusalem, on the holy sites of all of our religions, essentially that are all right there.
That is what Hamas wants.
That is exactly why Hamas committed this attack.
Yeah, which of course we both know they're sadly completely capable of.
You're obviously right.
This is very different than Ukraine where at least hypothetically a negotiated settlement of some kind should be possible.
Of course, there are no ongoing peace talks in Ukraine.
That alone blows my mind.
But in this case, you cannot negotiate with people who want to die, who are prepared to
die.
They're not interested in a settlement.
They're not interested in stopping the killing, if anything.
They're interested in increasing the killing.
It makes it very hard to look at social media.
First of all, you have to sort out that which is true from that which is disinformation or war propaganda, and there's a certain amount of that.
Jack, have you been surprised at the level of pro-Palestinian political activity in the United States, specifically on the campuses, in some of the media, and so on?
Oh no, not at all.
I think that, I think a lot of people in, you know, I guess they would consider themselves centrists or people on the left have been shocked by this.
Here on the right, we've been talking about this since 2015.
Donald Trump has been talking about this since the very first speech he gave when running for president because he talked about the problems, number one, of allowing radicals into our country and number two, the problems of unchecked Immigration.
Roger, these people, when they come into our country, they storm across our borders, or they're let in through other means, and they're coming over in such massive numbers as we've seen in the last 30, 40 years.
They're bringing these blood feuds.
They're bringing these ethnic conflicts, these religious conflicts, all together with them.
This is why when Trump was elected the first time, he executed and passed the Trump Terror travel ban to the United States the first person to do so Governor DeSantis has been running around late recently and his influencers actually currently attacking me online as we speak saying that Trump is is merely following in Governor DeSantis's footsteps I think you got your timeline a little bit wrong there guys this is actually
It was Donald Trump's policy to stop these people from coming into our countries, to stop these people from operating on campuses, instituting extreme vetting, specifically to go after radical Islam.
Whereas on the left, they have pursued a policy that they refer to as intersectionality.
Intersectionality essentially means that if you are someone that stands against the status quo, civilization as it is, that stands against our traditions, that stands against our laws, then we are for you.
This is how you will see these rallies and you'll see people, even in the UK, I saw it was transgenders for Palestine.
This group or a couple of individuals that showed up at a protest with the LGBT flag saying, oh we stand with you, we stand with you.
I said, I don't think those guys are going to stand with you.
I don't know if you understand what that is punishable by in the Palestinian territories where I actually have traveled with my wife, with Tanya Tay.
We visited there numerous times.
And this is a very strict, very Islamic, very socially conservative area.
Abortion is strictly limited.
Homosexual activity is strictly outlawed.
Abortion is completely banned, by the way.
Same-sex marriage is more than just banned.
And so I think the left doesn't understand the hornet's nest that they find themselves in now.
Of course, we're seeing some glimmers, potentially, of hope from some of these campuses,
saying that they're going to pull out of it.
Donald Trump, I think, rightly has said President Trump has called for the banning of these groups on campuses,
the banning of these groups from the United States in terms of vetting them in immigration,
and I think this is the right way forward.
That being said, Roger, no.
They've been very clear about their radicalism, and the radicalism of Hamas is the same as the radicalism we see from BLM, the same as the radicalism we see from Antifa, and so it surprises me none the least that we saw BLM as an organization come out in full support of Hamas just one day after the attacks.
Let's switch to domestic politics for just a moment.
I think that this entire series of events, the weakness and aggression that has been bred, I should say the aggression has been bred by the weakness of the Biden foreign policy, makes it an even more uphill climb for Joe Biden's re-election.
I continue to be skeptical that he will be the Democratic candidate.
I think this further undermines his standing.
How do you see that?
Roger, I've talked at length for what I call the Democrat shadow primary that's going on right before our eyes right now.
We see Gavin Newsom chomping at the bit to run for president.
I think he probably would have already announced, if not for the efforts of Jill Biden and others to keep Joe Biden in the race.
And also we see the efforts, by the way, of Governor DeSantis to essentially support Gavin Newsom's nascent shadow run for the presidency by offering him this platform at a one-on-one debate stage, a presidential contender going up against a governor who is not running for president.
Seems like an absurd political miscalculation, but we could certainly ask that same question about the governor's political instincts when it comes to running against Donald Trump in the first place, given the results.
That being said, I also think, so Newsom, he's in the shadow primary.
Hillary Clinton, also in the shadow primary.
Roger, I think at this point, though, we're not going to see a traditional campaign because, of course, the Democrats do not have a traditional system of delegate selection when it comes to primaries and caucuses, etc. Even though they hold those
for show, we know that the real power of the Democrat nomination is through the super delegate system.
And it wouldn't surprise me, Roger, if, and I've said this previously, I'll say it here again,
wouldn't surprise me if Joe Biden finds himself on the ropes and is forced to decline the
nomination at the DNC, which is coming up in the summer of 24, decline the nomination.
We see it opened up for a brokered DNC, and Gavin Newsom or Hillary Clinton finds themselves receiving the nomination through perhaps one or two rounds.
Roger, have you ever seen anything like that?
Do you think that's something that could be possible?
You know, I think it is entirely possible.
In other words, I agree with you and have said it for some time, and I think ultimately Joe Biden will not run for reelection.
The exact manner and timing for him to leave the race remains to be seen.
One thing is very clear.
He does not want to give away the authority to pardon his son, and his brother, and his other brother, and of course himself, and perhaps other members of the Biden crime family.
But you're absolutely right about the fact that in the Democratic Party, the filing deadlines for caucuses and primaries, which are far more significant in the
Republican process, are less significant in the Democrat process because of their iron grip control
of their convention through their unique rules.
If you don't know how that works, well, I guess you could ask Bernie Sanders how that
works.
Hillary Clinton and her allies, specifically Deborah Wasserman Schultz, then chairwoman
of the DNC, basically kneecapped Bernie.
And I think there's growing evidence that Joe could decline the nomination, in which case you're right.
I still believe that Michelle Obama is your most likely nominee.
As you know, back on April 3rd, I predicted that the court in D.C.
would gag former President Donald Trump.
Today, indeed, the judge in that case ordered a broad gag order against the former president.
I'm still digesting it, but it looks amazingly similar to the gag order that was issued against me.
Which I was essentially not able to defend myself in any medium whatsoever.
Not social media, not radio, not cable, not basically no forum whatsoever.
I would expect that the president's lawyers will appeal this.
But in my case, I appealed the constitutionality of the gag order on me.
The appeals court in DC basically delayed their decision for eight months.
Eight months in which I sustained extraordinary damage at the hands of CNN and MSNBC and the Washington Post, thus tainting the jury pool against me, the very thing that the gag order was supposed to prevent me from doing with my meager social media following.
And now they have essentially said to Donald Trump that he cannot defend himself.
They ultimately waited eight months to tell me that my motion was not right for a decision because I had not first asked the judge who initially imposed the gag order against me to remove it.
So, in other words, the trial was starting the next week.
It didn't really matter.
What is your view here on the gag order decision regarding Trump and how do you think he should handle this?
Well, Roger, as someone who sat through every single day of your trial in Washington, D.C., I mean, to me, it just feels like I'm watching a TV show that I've watched before.
I've seen this show already.
I've seen how it ends.
I've seen how it plays out.
This gag order is being done with the exact same—in fact, it may actually stand to reason that the case against Roger Stone was run as a sort of test case in preparation for these cases against Donald Trump that we're now seeing laid out before us.
This gag order is almost a copy and paste job of the exact gag order that we saw against you in that case.
Different judge, of course, that was Amy Berman Jackson.
This is Tanya Chutkin, who is a foreign-born judge appointed by Barack Obama to the stand.
And of course, someone who, not being from this country, I think that one of the issues is, and not to disparage the judge, but we've seen her record.
She doesn't understand the rights of this country.
She doesn't understand the traditions of this country.
She doesn't seem to have any interest in using the law to seek justice.
She seems to be someone who's brought from the same cloth of using the law to seek vengeance or using the law to shape the country and shape decisions as she sees fit, which I would also add.
Amy Berman Jackson is someone who also views it that way.
You sell this in their rulings in the January 6 cases.
You see it in their rulings today.
They want to put their finger on the scale for Donald Trump.
However, I would say, though, that even though it is an example of election interference, Roger, the more of this that we see, the more of the headlines that we see, I actually assess that these will be helpful to Trump and his presidential aspirations in the general election because these are the types of things, Roger, that when I talk to members of my church that, you know, they know I'm a Trump supporter, but they might be, you know, center, center right.
That they say, you know what, maybe I didn't like Trump's tweets or maybe I didn't like all the things that he says publicly or at the rallies.
You know, but he did a pretty good job.
Things seem to be a lot more stable than they are now.
And they can see how unfairly he's being treated by the system.
And there's nothing more American than an underdog story.
It is our origin story.
It is our founding mythos.
It is the plot of almost every American movie that you go see from Rocky on out.
That is the protagonist being the underdog going up against the greater power and ultimately Prevailing in the end.
I think this is something, and the more that they load up on Trump, the higher his presidential ratings will go with the American people.
I agree with that analysis.
A jacket is of course counterintuitive, but I think it is absolutely true.
But in the meantime, the President needs to take this gag order deadly seriously.
Yes.
They will enforce it.
They will incarcerate him if they have to.
Paul Manafort was subjected to pre-conviction incarceration.
He was incarcerated for over a year prior to being convicted of any crime, allegedly because he violated A gag order placed on him by the judge in his case.
Trump has to be, I think he's in a very, very delicate situation.
Yes, he can appeal it, but the chances of the court hearing that appeal quickly, I think, is relatively slim.
I also think the chances of him getting relief at the appeal level are limited, in which case he would then have to appeal to the Supreme Court.
You don't know that they would hear his appeal.
For those conservatives who keep telling me that the Supreme Court will save us, well, 21 states appealed to the Supreme Court regarding the last election.
And the court would not hear those actions.
So I don't know that that is the answer here.
But you're absolutely right.
It is the trial run.
The only point I would make is this is much more egregious because I was not a candidate for President of the United States.
This is, I think, a more cut-and-dry First Amendment case, even more so than mine, because Trump is not only an active candidate for president, a formal, federally filed candidate for president, he's also the leading candidate for president.
By a lot, as he would put it.
Don't you think this makes it even worse?
Well, I think that's exactly right, Roger.
And if this is brought up on appeal, I certainly hope that Justice Thomas is leading that panel or leading that panel of judges That views this.
This is something that's clear cut violation of not only the First Amendment, but every tradition that we have in this country writ large.
This is a man who's running for president.
He's running someone's already been elected president once in full view of the country in full use of the system of the Constitution and the Electoral College rightfully done.
So in an election that no serious person had any qualms with as opposed 2020 election, which was completely stolen before our eyes.
But when you have a candidate like this in a case like this, it is a cut and dried violation of the First Amendment.
It should be thrown out at the first appeals level.
Of course, knowing the D.C.
Court of Appeals, it probably won't because they'll find some reason to pass it on and hopefully in hopes that it goes to the Supreme Court.
But again, Roger, Trump is up against the clock here.
So while he's up against the clock, remember, he's fighting these cases, multiple cases on multiple fronts inside the DC system.
In the same way that Joe Biden is trying to launch multiple fights around the world against every one of America's adversaries at the same time, which is a complete foolhardy errand.
But also, we are 91 days away, Roger, from the first votes being cast in the 2024 election.
That's not a lot of time, and that's precisely why Jack Smith and Merrick Garland and Tonya Chutkan and all these people are doing this when they're doing it.
It's very deliberate.
This is a playbook.
And by the way, Roger, something that your viewers, and I know my viewers, don't need told is that this is not a new form of politics.
This is a very old form of politics, and it's a politics that we see common in the third world, in Africa, in South America.
Parts of Eastern Europe, Central Asia.
These are the types of the use of lawfare, the use of judicial attacks.
The same way in Argentina there have been charges now filed on Javier Mele, the popular candidate who is the frontrunner for the Argentinian presidency, another libertarian by the way.
These are the same types of things that we see throughout the rest of the world.
We're just not used to them here in the West.
But this is how the rest of the world operates and this is something that we used to be able to say that we didn't do as a country.
It shows the degradation of our process and essentially the collapse of so many institutions as they have been infiltrated by these types of cultural Marxists over the past 30 years.
Very, very well put.
You're right about this election being hard upon us.
Nothing has been more pathetic, in my view, than the attempts by the campaign of Governor Ron DeSantis to take a soundbite of Donald Trump that was very partial and try to give the impression that he was praising Hamas when he said they were, quote, very smart.
Well, they just pulled off an attack against Israel behind the back of Israeli intelligence.
Franklin Roosevelt, Winston Churchill, and Dwight Eisenhower all praised German General Erwin Rommel.
It doesn't mean they approved of him.
They recognized his military cunning.
But to say that Trump in any way approves of Hamas, this is one of the most desperate efforts I've ever seen to make a controversy where none exists.
It's almost shocking.
That is how low the dissentoids have dropped.
You know, Roger, it's very interesting.
So that situation that you mentioned there of taking a quote and then splicing it or cutting up the context to make it appear something else, we actually came up with a term for that.
And this is part of the daily ongoing linguistic warfare and social media warfare that I find myself engaged in for the past eight years.
People used to refer to it as the Great Meme War of 2015 and 2016.
But we came up with a term for it called Ruparing, based around the ignominious name of Aaron Rupar, a former, former laid-off journalist from Vox, who was notorious for doing this.
We called it Ruparing Videos.
And Roger, we found that UrbanDictionary.com Actually allows any user to submit a term and submit a definition for said term.
And so what we did was we took the term Rupar and then we uploaded it to UrbanDictionary.com.
We gave it the description, the aforementioned description.
And then we took to social media and had all of our people go and vote for this to be the number one definition of Rupar on Urban Dictionary.
And if you go and look there today, You will see that the definition for RUPAR is exactly that.
To purposely mislead, to intentionally and grossly mischaracterize a statement or video.
And so, we've now seen the DeSantoid campaign take the president's words and RUPAR them.
And of course, the point that the president was making was essentially the greatest quote from Sun Tzu.
There is no greater danger Well, people have been reading Sun Tzu's The Art of War for 2,500 years.
And so to hear Donald Trump paraphrasing Sun Tzu, I think is nothing, nothing surprising, especially when Donald Trump named his most famous book, one of his most famous accomplishments in terms of that book, The Art of the Deal, named it after Sun Tzu's book, The Art of War.
And so I find this type of politics, I find these attacks to just be wilting,
to be frustrating, to be just really annoying and grating.
And I don't understand by the way, how they seem to be able to think
that they're gonna win Republican voters with this.
And in fact, Roger, unfortunately, what I think has happened is that the DeSantis campaign
has now devolved into its final phase and gone mask off to reveal its true self
as essentially a sabotage operation for the 2024 general election.
To wit, Joe Biden and some of his social media platforms were sharing that very same DeSantis video Saying thank you, Governor DeSantis.
We never thought we'd be sharing one of your videos, but that's actually not true to begin with because this is the second time it's happened, Roger.
Because at the debate, Governor DeSantis stood on stage and said that inflation in the United States is the fault of Donald Trump.
He took what is potentially the largest vulnerability, Of Joe Biden right now.
Inflation.
Bidenflation.
I came up with that term years ago.
Everybody uses it now, including Governor DeSantis used it many times.
Bidenflation.
We all say it.
But now there is a soundbite of Governor Ron DeSantis, a Republican, saying that inflation is Donald Trump's fault.
Well, guess what?
The very next day, the Biden campaign took that and made it into a campaign ad, and I guarantee you will hear Joe Biden or whoever the Democrat ends up being At the debate stage say, well, you know what?
Inflation was actually started by you, Donald Trump.
And even your own governor, your own Republican governor believes it.
And so it's very interesting to me that Governor DeSantis is saying and doing things that are giving aid and comfort to the Democrats to attack Donald Trump.
Well, first of all, let me speak to the brilliance of ruparing as a word.
As one who's been rupared by rupar himself, I know exactly what you mean.
That's quite entertaining.
1964, in his campaign against Barry Goldwater, President Lyndon Baines Johnson used soundbites from Governor Nelson Rockefeller, from Governor George Romney, Mitt Romney's father, Uh, and from Governor William Scranton attacking Barry Goldwater.
So this is not a new action here, uh, whatsoever.
I think you're absolutely right.
The fact that the, uh, that the DeSantis supporters are so driven by hatred of the former president that they would actually prefer to elect Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or whoever ends up standing in for them, uh, is really shocking, but I think is more and more evident.
The more DeSantis flails, the less far he goes.
We did a great show together about a week ago in which we exposed the fact that based on everything I can tell, all the public filings and my own soundings, I think the DeSantis campaign is broke, don't you?
Well, we actually saw in just some early... So the FEC filing is coming up.
Roger, you made the prediction on Human Events Daily that Roger Stone said that Governor DeSantis would be broke by October.
Well, here we are, it's mid-October, and it looks to be that that is exactly what is happening.
And in fact, We do have new empirical proof, and I think it was NBC actually put this out last night, that Vivek Ramaswamy, a new first-time candidate, first-time political neophyte, as far as we're all told, has never run a campaign for anything before in his life.
And in fact, as Sean Hannity tells us, likes to remind us, voted libertarian his first time for president, as if that's Some kind of problem.
I don't know if Sean quite understands the Trump movement if he thinks voting libertarian is a is a block to becoming a Trump supporter now, that actually Vivek Ramaswamy has gained more small dollar donors than Ron DeSantis has.
And so the DeSantis influencers, the DeSantis online paid boosters, try to tell us again and again that these polls showing Vivek Ramaswamy to not be in the lead of Governor DeSantis in state after state after state, Now we have even more empirical proof that doesn't come from a polling firm, comes from possibly one of the best polling firms, the American people and the fact that Vivek Ramaswamy, a political neophyte who's not even 40 years old, is now raising money from a larger pool of small dollar donors than someone that we were told was the number one governor in America.
Jack, you're a great guest and therefore I have to ask you one more question before we let you go.
It's a tough one.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who kicked up a lot of dust early on as a challenger within the Democratic Party against Joe Biden, has now announced that he's going to seek office as an independent.
As I have written and said this weekend on WABC radio as well as here on the Stone Zone, the process of getting on the ballot as an independent is far more difficult, tedious, arcane, expensive, intricate, and difficult than most people realize.
There's no guarantee, in my opinion, that Robert F. Kennedy gets on the ballot in enough states to theoretically win 270 electoral votes.
In the event that he does become a viable third-party candidate, and given the totality of his record, which Sean Hannity started exposing, I think, quite effectively last week, where do Robert Kennedy's votes come from if they come from either Trump or, say in this case, Joe Biden, but the generic Democrat?
Roger, I'll just add on to your first comment about running as an independent.
I just want to ask Cornel West how many bedrooms are in the mansion that the DNC promised him for changing his allegiance from the Green Party to be running as independent because clearly that was some kind of payoff there to Cornel West for not running as a Green Party candidate and announcing that he is in fact going to be running As an independent, that being said, I would love to see Cornel West on every single ballot in the nation.
As far as RFK, look, I think that the totality of RFK's record is not going to stand up to the path that he has cut and the figure that he has cut over these last few years as being the leader of really the medical freedom movement in America.
This is a movement that has grown exponentially because of the COVID-19 crisis, the vaccine mandates.
This is a very large group, millions of people, that view RFK as someone who is extremely salient, someone who is a leader for them.
These are the people, by the way, that made his book the most sold book, I believe, of 2020.
2022, his book on The Truth on Anthony Fauci.
Of course, the New York Times never allowed this out.
So I think that those are votes, Roger, that would not have gone to Biden.
I think those are votes that would have gone to Trump.
And so these are people that we're talking about, as well as moderates, that could potentially be detrimental to Trump because these are people, and again, we're not talking about a big election here.
We're not talking about You know, huge Ross Perot level swings.
We only need 5-6% in key states, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, and this whole thing can be swung.
The Polish election, which was, you know, just held last night, was really swung as well by this third party, this third candidate party that came up that only won 12% of the vote, but it now looks as though it was enough to knock the ruling party, the conservatives, out of power.
In Poland, because it allowed the Democrats and the liberals in Poland to come up with a coalition that would be larger than the conservatives.
And so my worry is that you would see the exact same type of paradigm play out with an RFK candidacy.
And now I'm well aware of his statements on On guns, on climate in the past, I think there's a lot of material there for President Trump and his allies to go after.
But at the same time, the amount of work that RFK has done in just the past few years, specifically on medical freedom, but also on the intelligence agencies being a voice for anti-war, I think that's going to garner him a lot of supporters that otherwise would have gone to Trump.
I think that's a shrewd analysis.
The Zogby poll, admittedly commissioned by a group in league with RFK, shows that his votes come marginally from Donald Trump.
And he says it himself.
Go ahead.
Oh, I was just adding that RFK has said himself on podcasts that his internal polling shows that he takes more from Trump than Biden.
We know historically, the history of independence, which is actually that roughly half their voters are people that wouldn't have voted for anybody.
Not Biden, not Trump, no one else.
So then the question now is how many votes are we talking about?
And then the question becomes how many ballots is he really in place?
You were right on the money on your prognostication regarding Cornel West.
Why would you abandon a party that would have given you automatic ballot access in 30 states?
And then you only would have had to petition the way you're on in 20 states, not impossible.
Why would you abandon all that to run as an independent, which will keep you in the media, but in the end will not allow you to be a viable candidate for president?
It is extraordinarily suspicious, to say the absolute least.
I just want to know, are we talking Martha's Vineyard?
Are we talking St.
Simon's Island?
Jekyll Island?
What is it, Cornell?
Where's the house?
Malibu, maybe?
Corona Del Mar?
I mean, there's a few locations.
I know that those, you know, maybe they can put your mansion right next to one of Bernie Sanders's.
The DNC will just do a two-for-one deal.
Yeah, that could be.
We've seen this all before.
Alright, Jack Posobiec from Senior Editor at Human Events.
Jack, tell people where they can see your daily show.
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Thank you so much, Jack, for joining us here on The Stone Zone.
God bless, Roger.
Always a pleasure.
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