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They ran the corporation after that point in time.
So he wasn't even overseeing his business when these so-called entries were made.
And so there's just immediately there's major flaws with these indictments.
Then I started looking at the indictments and actually to give a little do my daughter started to share with me some of this.
So what the indictments are really they're saying it's one thing.
President Trump paid somebody I've been in a nondisclosure agreement in my lifetime.
Maybe you have.
to be quiet. Of course, she didn't. So if they did have an agreement, she didn't keep it.
But I think I'll just interrupt you right there. But didn't didn't Bill Clinton pay money to Paula
Jones? Well, that's right. And you know what? I people sign non-disclosure agreements all the
time. Companies get into them. All sorts of people do. And I've been in a non-disclosure agreement
my in my lifetime. Maybe you have. Yes, I mean, this isn't this isn't uncommon.
And so they're making it into this big deal.
It's not a big deal, and there's nothing illegal about doing it.
It's done all the time every day in the US.
But here's the deal.
They've got 34 counts.
It was really related to one thing, though.
But instead of just charge President Trump on one count related to this one thing, they grab 34, basically, activities in the accounting department.
And for each one, they label it Felony by President Trump.
Well, there's no felony there for posting an erroneous accounting entry.
As a matter of fact, we also did that all the time, and we would make adjusting entries.
We didn't intentionally do it.
We just would find these, make the proper adjustments, and that's how we handled it.
And then sometimes, correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not an accountant, but sometimes if you find that, your accountant would go back and he would file an update, right?
An amended tax return, right?
If you had to.
If it would impact the taxes, etc., in a prior period, then you would do that.
Absolutely.
But it's not a big deal.
It's not necessarily routine, but it's not something that doesn't happen quite often.
But here's the kicker.
What they did is instead of taking the one incident and charging one crime, they take 11 instances and charge 34 crimes, 34 felonies.
Now, what they do is they say an invoice Came in the door, then a general ledger entry was made, and then a check was cut or a wire, and they paid supposedly Michael Cohen.
And so that's three activities, and there was 11 times that supposedly a check was cut for Michael Cohen or a wire, and so 11 times 3 is 33, and there was one month that they had actually two vouchers, so that made it 34.
So basically, again, it's customer requests a payment, The payment is, I guess, entered into the books, and then a check is cut.
So for each one of those activities in the accounting department, they're charging President Trump.
Now, he didn't do any of these.
He's never cut a check in his life, you know, that I would guess.
So anyways, here's the kicker.
Of the invoices that came in, there were 11 of those that they're charging President Trump for.
President Trump didn't make those invoices.
Those invoices came from somebody else.
Clients and customers send you invoices all the time.
Correct.
Requests for payment.
President Trump has no control over that.
Nor do you, nor do I. Whoever sends me an invoice, they're sending it, I receive it, and if I'm a corporation, I'm going to send it to my accounts payable team, who's going to look into it, make sure it's accurate, valid, and then they're going to pay the amount.
Those are the three activities, and they're all done in the accounting department.
and of the 11 invoices that came in there being prepared by your client company by your customer are sending you an
invoice so they're charging president trump 11 felonies 11 felonies for something that the president didn't do and
they're charging you an invoice of $10,000 for that.
So you're charging president trump 11 felonies 11 felonies for something he didn't even do.
Nobody in his company did.
These invoices are coming from somebody else.
It's like charging me for a letter I get in the mail.
I mean, what control do I have over that?
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
So there's a third of these things right away don't even make sense.
They're not even something he or his team did or anybody's organization.
They're receipts, basically, of these invoices from other individuals.
How in the world can President Trump be charged for activities That he has nothing to do with no control over nothing.
You see what I'm saying?
This thing is so bogus on so many points.
These guys don't understand law, but they certainly don't understand accounting and just the basic processes of how, you know, bills are paid.
And that's that's what's astonishing.
And then the timing, how they backdate, how they're saying these invoices that occurred in 2017, somehow they impacted the election in 2016.
And that's why they're felonies.
It's total lunacy.
And that's why Brad couldn't explain what the crime was that they indicted President Trump on.
Because it doesn't make any sense.
They say he did this related to a crime.
What crime?
What are you talking about?
The whole thing... The crime that somebody submitted an invoice and his accounting department paid it.
That's the crime.
That literally is the crime.
And right now there is no...
There is no record of money... I mean, didn't Cohen say that he was not reimbursed for the $130,000?
Yeah, he may have said that, and we also know that he says he took out a home equity line credit to pay this amount.
He took it out of himself.
He paid it himself.
Who would do that?
Who would do that?
Yeah, and he didn't tell his wife, and he didn't tell the Trump Organization, and it's just... the whole story's just absolute garbage.
I believe he was indicted for some perjury counts as well, was he not?
I think so.
I don't think his credibility as a witness is horrible too.
So, you know, it just doesn't add up.
And here it is, the President of the United States.
You know, our president, who's already been through so much grief, and they're doing this... And doesn't this also show us that, Joe, if somebody in a high place doesn't like what you report at the Gateway Pundit, at joehof.com, or they don't like what I sit here and say at this news desk, then they can find some reason to trump up charges on us and throw us in prison.
Absolutely.
It's frightening.
I mean, this is what happens in a third world country, isn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Get charged for something you didn't even do.
Really, literally.
Joe, I don't know anyone else reporting this other than you.
I've not heard anyone else lay this out.
Have you?
as company did. They're receipts of invoices and that's what they charged
him with. And Joe, I don't know anyone else reporting this other
than you. I've not heard anyone else lay this out. Have you?
Like you just did?
No, no, that's why I'm just kind of, but here's the deal, here's the big part of
it. Liberals don't understand numbers. They never have.
That's because most of them are not self-employed or people that start
businesses and a lot of them just are not entrepreneurs. So they don't
know how businesses work. Most of them are...
, that when a guy starts a company,
No!
Yeah.
he doesn't make money sometimes.
I mean, he can go a long time without making money.
Or if he's making money, the volume of hours that he's working, he's working for really a bad hourly
wage and he's working massive hours seven days a week,
hoping that maybe he'll be successful.
And if he is successful, then the government says, now we want to take half of everything you got.
Yeah, that's right.
In some states like California, that is definitely the case.
So yeah, this is why they can't do budgets.
When you talk numbers with them, it just goes right over their head.
I mean, Maxine Waters and some of her ilk, they don't have a clue what you're talking about when you start talking numbers.
You go 10% and I'm sure they don't even know what that means.
It's pathetic.
These guys, I think they really don't understand what they're even throwing out there.
Does Bragg know what he's done?
Because based on what you're saying, and it makes absolute perfect sense what you're saying, Joe, this means that either Bragg is really pretty stupid.
I'd like to know where he graduated in his law, you know, in his class, his graduating class.
So either he's kind of a stupid guy or he's really, really corrupt.
Which one?
I'd probably say I'd lean more towards corrupt because he's not very bright.
I heard Attorney Mike Davis just calling him the stupidest guy in the stupidest case I've ever heard the other night.
He's just really dumb and yet he went to Harvard, got a law degree supposedly from Harvard and here he is running this DA's office.
He doesn't come across as smart at all.
A couple of these guys were making fun of him, Steve Bannon and Attorney Davis after And yet the average American has no idea what this means for people on the right or the left.
dumbest guy. Look at him. He was so scared when they started asking questions
because he doesn't know how to answer him. And so no, he's not very bright. He's
not a very good attorney and he's certainly not an accountant. And yet the
average American has no idea what this means for people on the right or the
left because if our judicial system is destroyed that impacts everybody
regardless of your political persuasion. Yeah, absolutely.
It was a dark day.
I don't know if you felt it.
You know, these two days that we had these impeachments, or they were announced, and then Tuesday.
They were sad days for this country.
They were real, real bad.
Absolutely.
And I don't know that our countries can recover from some of this stuff.
Let me ask you about Linda Rands.
I think you're going to be working on something related to that.
What do you make of what you're hearing that we've been breaking here on Lyndell TV two days ago, started in follow-up yesterday.
Tuesday was the first county, Osage County, not too far from Jefferson City, Missouri, first county to not use machines and to go all paper and to count that way with these paper ballots.
And it sounds like it was just a huge success.
You have Republicans and Democrats sitting at a table verifying each ballot, tallying it up.
This is a big story, and of course, it's gotten kind of lost in the whole Trump news, but what do you make of it as a journalist?
Yes, fantastic, and I know Linda.
I've met Linda and chatted with her and her husband as well.
They've both done a lot of work in election integrity in the state of Missouri and elsewhere.
She's helped a lot of people.
She did a massive project on canvassing in Missouri and really uncovered just a huge percent.
It may have been up to 25%.
Of some of these voter rolls that were that just basically were contaminated with either people that didn't vote or or or bogus individuals on the list and on the rolls.
So she's just done fantastic work and then to see her now get involved in this Osage election where they're using paper is really really heartwarming.
She's worked really hard and I think she's got she I saw a piece from from Lindell TV.
Just earlier this afternoon, after I spoke with you, and yeah, she talks about how they set up a plan on how they're going to do this.
It was running real smooth.
They all seemed real happy, and it's all paper.
So, this is what we need across the country.
I guess people need to get a hold of us, or Linda Rance, or you, and we can lead them in the right direction in how to get this done, because these machines are totally broke.
They're totally frightening what's going on.
We're going to have to get really really smart because these machines are the tool that the left uses to steal elections.
We know 2020 was stolen.
Absolutely we do.
Let me ask you about this article.
I know you didn't write it, so you may not be up on it yet, but it is breaking news at The Gateway Pundit.
January 6th infiltration from Homeland Security?
Proud Boys defense attorney says 19 Department of Homeland Security undercover informants slash agents infiltrated on January 6th.
Again, I know you didn't write this article, but are you aware of this?
Yeah, and Cara Castronella from Nueva, has done an incredible amount of work out in the D.C.
area, helping, supporting, and unwinding of these crimes by our federal government.
That picture there, the top picture, is Jeremy Brown.
He was a, I believe he was in the Special Forces, and he, an American patriot from Florida.
This group from Homeland Security approached him in December of 2020 and asked him basically if he would be an informant for them on January 6th.
Now, he declined.
He said he wasn't going to do it, but he also taped the event.
And he's got a videotape of these guys banging on his door and then coming in and requesting that he do this.
He shared that video with the Gateway Pundit.
We put it up.
And after January 6th, as he started putting the pieces together, he's like, this whole thing's a setup.
And then after we wrote that, a number of other individuals around the country notified us that they too had been approached by the similar group.
If it was either Homeland Security or individuals working for the FBI or whoever, whichever government entity.
And Jeremy Brown today sits in prison.
The FBI came back to his house twice.
The second time, they claimed that they found grenades at his home, as well as a disk with classified information, which he denied were ever there that were his.
And they arrested him, threw him in jail, did a case here recently in Florida, and some of these charges stuck, and now he's sitting in prison.
And his real crime was he told the American people the truth about these government agencies and individuals that came to his house and requested his help to set up Trump supporters on January 6th.
That was his crime.
Again, this is today's America with this corrupt, leftover Obama.
DOJ this just has no regard for Honesty, integrity, or the truth.
Absolutely.
Let me show Joe's website.
JoeHoff.com right here.
We'll show it there.
JoeHoff.com.
Here's the article we were talking about.
Exclusive Soros-backed Manhattan D.A.' 's, D.A.
Bragg's entitlement not only doesn't identify crime, it also is trumped up beyond belief.
Click on it to read more, and that'll, you can start reading it, and then it'll bring you right back to the Gateway Pundit.
It'll just say, click here to read more.
There it is right there.
Continue reading.
That brings you to The Gateway Pundit, where you'll also find, again, this article that I just talked about, breaking news there.
So, a lot going on at The Gateway Pundit, and we appreciate our relationship with you, Joe, and all the great reporting your team's doing.
You guys are doing great as well.
Thanks for all your support.
It's a team effort.
Thank you, Joe.
Yep.
Thanks a lot.
Joe Hoff checking in.
Check out his site, joehoft.com.
Joe, H-O-F-T dot com.
And thegatewaypundit.com.
All right, we're going to be joined here by archaeologist Dr. Bob Cornuke here in just a minute.
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Joining me now is Dr. Bob Cornuke here on the Lindell Report, Brennan House N4.
Mike Lindell, who's out on business.
Normally we don't talk about these kind of topics on the Lindell Report, but being that tomorrow's Good Friday, it's Resurrection Weekend, and of course Mike and I both being strong believers in the resurrection of Christ and salvation in Christ alone, This is a great opportunity for us to maybe talk about something we would not normally talk about, but to give a little break to you and to concentrate on the importance of the resurrection of Christ.
There has been something out there for many years since the 70s.
A lot of different TV shows.
I remember being quite young and watching documentaries and TV shows about it.
And now today a brand new article here on CBN News.
Scientific evidence sheds light on ancient mystery about the Shroud of Turin.
Well, Bob Cornuke is someone that has been talking about that for a few years, and he joins me now.
Bob has traveled and spoken at my Worldview Weekends, which I started in February of 1993, held in over 300 locations.
And Bob was one of the speakers who traveled to many, many, many, many cities with my wife and I and family, speaking on his search for the real Mount Sinai, which is in Saudi Arabia, the Ark of the Covenant, and many other things that Bob has been looking for.
Noah's Ark, I interviewed him this past summer about that here on Lyndell TV.
I called him today and said, hey Bob, I think I used to hear you talk about this a little bit.
Would you come on and talk about it, being that it is Resurrection Weekend?
And he graciously agreed.
Bob joins us tonight.
Bob, or I should say Dr. Bob Cranouk.
Welcome to the program.
Branis, good to see you.
Good to see you as well, Bob.
All right, so tell me what you make of this story.
Well, I had a cursory look at it, but, you know, the shroud is a relic of the Church, of the Roman Church.
And a lot of those relics, I really look with a lot of skepticism because during the Middle Ages, every church had to have a relic in its foundation or in its reliquary.
And this was a prerequisite.
And then there was a lot of ego involved in it.
You know, to be, to have people come visit your church from long distances, you had to have a real cool relic, you know, a tooth of Paul or a bone of Peter or something like that.
You know, they, all these churches and where they come from, it's very hard to determine provenance.
There's where they got them, who got them, and really what it comes from.
The shroud is a pretty interesting object.
And when I looked at the shroud with Dr. John Jackson, He has a full back lit, photographed, he had I think like 80 millimeter camera that slid across and photographed it years ago when he was with the Air Force Academy.
And you could literally see the fuzz on it, every thread that's on the shroud.
And I spent a whole day with him in there looking at this and examining the shroud.
It's about 14 and a half feet long, about three and a half feet wide.
It was dated to be About 1260 to 1390 by a lot of these different testing entities.
But when they tested it, they tested a part of the shroud that was burnt.
It was burnt in a fire in about 1532.
And when you test something that's been in fire, it has carbon.
And what you're trying to do is analyze this as carbon-14 dating.
The carbon with the fire would have messed up the dating.
You have to take a sample from the shroud that didn't have contamination with fire.
When you look at the shroud, you can see those little triangular things on it, on the front, and that's actually the silver from the box it was in that melted through and put holes in the shroud.
So we, you know, the shroud comes to us from about, oh, 1453 when a Duke of Savoy purchased it.
And then it's gone into Turin now, the Shroud.
They call it the Shroud of Turin because it's in Turin, Italy.
But when I looked at the Shroud, it was with a real eye of skepticism.
In fact, I'm almost ashamed of myself as mocking that this could be authentic.
But as a former FBI trained homicide investigator, I was blown away.
In fact, when I saw the Shroud, when you're looking at it and you see the scourge marks around it and you see You see this monochromatic image of a man.
It's the front part of a man and the dorsal image of a man.
And you see all the blood marks and things.
It looks exactly what you would find of a man who had been beaten and murdered and then wrapped in a cloth.
And the bloodstains, the things that would be so difficult.
For instance, the front part of the shroud is longer by about three inches than the dorsal image.
So just figure there's like a burrito wrapping around a man from head to toe.
And so the shroud creates this like sandwich image.
The face of the image is longer than the back by about three inches, which would you assume to be a fraud.
But if you take the distance, like you drive through the hill country with winding roads, the forehead and the nose and the chin, And then going down to the stomach and the knees.
It all creates more length within it.
Now, you'd have to be a pretty good forger to figure that one out.
A lot of people say that da Vinci painted this.
It's not paint.
It's an image that has been seared into this fabric in a very unique way.
John Jackson thinks it's from, you know, the resurrection moment.
That it was an intense light that photographed on this.
I have no reason to doubt that from what I saw.
This thing's pretty impressive when you see it.
And coming from a pretty good skeptic, I have to say that I'm not a proponent of it.
I think there's a lot more testing.
But I think it very well could be the Shroud of Christ.
Wow.
Let's watch a little video, guys, in the control room.
This has been released by CBN.
Let's play a little bit.
We'll get Bob to comment.
Watch this.
This is the story of a piece of cloth.
Seen here rescued from a fire over two decades ago, surviving just the latest in a series of perils
across a journey through history.
The first gaze upon this mysterious relic resembles a Rorschach's test of damage
dating back hundreds, if not thousands of years.
Zoom in a little closer though.
The stains are real blood.
And the faint image of a tortured, crucified man comes into focus.
Typical medieval portrayals of the crucifixion show the nails in the palms.
But the palms wouldn't support the weight of the body.
Look longer and the serene face of that man becomes clear.
It seems so peaceful in comparison to the violence that you see all over the rest of the body.
Brian Hyland is an exhibit curator at the Museum of the Bible.
There have been questions about the veracity of this image ever since its first documented appearance in the late 14th century.
In 1988, carbon testing dated the shroud back to medieval times.
That test has repeatedly been called into question by various experts.
The only single sample they took did not represent anywhere else on the cloth because it had been manipulated.
Now, a new scientific procedure dates fabric from the shroud to roughly 2,000 years ago.
That Italian study is just the latest in a long series of scientific testing, including studies of pollen plucked from the shroud with this scientific tape dispenser.
The pollen samples that were gathered, a lot of them are from plants that are native to not just the Middle East, but specifically the area around Judea, Palestine, and Syria, as it was in that time period.
There's also pollen from the area around Constantinople.
There's a lot of pollen from Europe.
The pollen samples suggest a journey of thousands of miles from Jerusalem through modern-day Turkey and France and now Italy, where the artifact has been kept since the 16th century.
Some say the cloth housed in the Turin Cathedral is a vessel for human blood and therefore may be nothing less than the Holy Grail.
When you realize that the cloth is a vessel, That's containing Christ's blood.
I mean, there it is.
And it is blood.
And not only is it blood, it's type AB, which is the type that's consistent with Palestinian Jews.
Still others call this bit of linen a forgery, but none other.
So like there, some say that this was done by this artist, Leonardo da Vinci.
But one expert comes on here and says the shroud was around before he was.
Well, I heard today that Trump is being indicted for painting the Shroud as forgery.
So you'll hear that in the news tomorrow.
He's being indicted for forgery charges, right?
Yeah, on forgery for the Shroud of Turin.
I think that's probably next on the list.
But Leonardo da Vinci was a great painter.
But in those times, by the way, there's no paint on the Shroud.
There's no pigment on the Shroud.
He'd have to learn how to do a three-dimensional glow through fabric.
with the high-intensity light or heat or something like that.
Very hard to do.
But in those days, if you notice the pictures of all the knights and stuff, they had long fingers and long toes and, you know, elongated necks.
And it wasn't anatomically accurate.
But now we have this.
And I take issue with the gentleman here from the Bible Museum, even though he sounds like he's very sincere.
I'm a former homicide investigator.
I've seen over 500 dead bodies in all different states.
This face of this man was pummeled, swollen.
If you look at the bloodstain marks, they match perfectly with what you'd see with someone who has endured a violent death as described in the Bible.
Now, I'm not a promoter.
I'm not saying I'm putting my stamp of approval on this because nothing that we find in archaeology can prove or disprove the Bible.
What we find in archaeology can only shed light on the truths that already exist within the Bible.
We give artifacts that we find too much credit for proving things.
They don't prove anything.
What we have in archaeology is the study of durable rubbish.
Now, I'm not an archaeologist, I'm a Bible explorer and a researcher, but I'm telling you what, this one has a little more interest for me When I cubby-holed it into the realm of just a forged relic, as so many we found in the Middle Ages, in the Middle East.
This one really, when you sit and you see, I literally, and I'm not a crier, but I sat there and I saw those scourge marks.
And you could see literally where the whip went up and down.
So the scourging in the back of the thighs went up and also down, so that the arm of the man would come where he would swing.
And hit and tear open the flesh.
The other thing is, Brandon, when I stood and did research, I think it was for History Channel or National Geographic.
It was a show I did on it many years ago.
But John Jackson and I did a show.
But the back of the, the very back of the image, I studied it and studied it.
And then I noticed on the back, where Jesus would have carried a patebolum, Which is, which is the crossbar on the cross.
It created a rub mark, like if you took sandpaper and rubbed it over a few minutes on your skin, it would create a little bit of a red mark.
On the back of the shroud, right where the patabone would be, is this, is this band of darkness that goes in.
It's eight inches, if I remember right, eight inches wide, right where he would have carried the patabone.
When I saw that, My, I had, you know, I had to force feed my man, my mind, past reason and logic to really go on the camp that this could have potential or even possibility of being the very shroud of Christ.
Wow.
And here's a, a public domain picture taken of, uh, an image, uh, says 1898 negative the image.
Look at the face, look at the nose, broken or not broken.
Sorry.
There's no broken bones, swollen, the cheeks swollen.
Um, The gash on the forehead from the crown of thorns.
It's very hard to do a forging on it.
If this was forged, this guy was pretty good.
He was better than Leonardo da Vinci.
Wow.
Let me see how this concludes here.
I think I've got it cued up.
Listen to this.
Here we go, guys.
It was being publicly shown 100 years before da Vinci was born.
He was a good artist, but it wasn't that good.
Barry Schwartz is a Jewish photographer based in Colorado who was called upon to photograph the shroud in the 70s.
I was biased against it.
And I even said somewhere along the line to somebody that, yeah, you know, we'll get the tour in, we'll give us five minutes, we'll find the paint, we'll come home, we'll be done.
Yeah, it's 44 years later.
There was no paint and it's not a painting or an artwork.
No brush strokes and another mystery.
It's 3D.
Scientists using an image analyzer revealed decades ago that the lights and darks of the shroud image translate into dimensional shapes.
A normal photograph records only variations in light and does not record information about the distance the camera was from the subject.
Now we'll put a picture of the shroud under the camera.
This image is clearly recognizable.
This can only be explained if the intensity levels of the shroud image itself are encoded with distance information from the cloth to the body.
Now, British filmmaker David Rolfe is out with his fourth film, Who Can He Be?, investigating the Shroud of Turin using the latest tech to digitally extract data encoded in the fabric.
Wow.
Bob, any thoughts on that?
Well, I know Barry.
He's a good guy.
He's a good guy.
I've seen, I was trying to get an actual image, the large image backlit from him years ago, but I just couldn't make that happen.
He has a pretty good little display that he does.
Everything we have about, you see in the Bible, we should always look at that God is the author of the Bible.
He's prophetically, contextually, and historically accurate.
We don't need to take an image of the Bible in 3D or anything to know that the little images on the Bible are God's revelation of himself to man.
God is the author, salvation is the end, and truth without any mixture of error is the content.
We don't need a shroud to bolster our faith.
We have the Word of God who has revealed himself through history to be chronically accurate in all That we read and study about the Bible.
So, if this is a forgery, it doesn't affect my faith.
If this is real, it doesn't affect my faith.
I believe the Bible to be true, 100%.
You want to take some calls?
You want to take some calls, Bob?
Sure.
Let's take a few calls here.
Bob Cornuke, and that is Dr. Bob Cornuke, right, Bob?
Yes, but I'm not an archaeologist.
I'm a Bible explorer.
Everybody, if you say archaeology, people go crazy.
I said that a while ago.
But I've written 12 books, so I don't know, maybe that makes me in the realm.
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You can also ask him about his search for Noah's Ark, which he did with Jim Irwin, who walked on the moon.
You can ask him about his search for Mount Sinai, which I think he found, he and others who explored it.
Bob did a lot of exploration there in Saudi Arabia.
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Let me ask you about the Ark of the Covenant, Bob.
I was reading and did a show yesterday and today on the Ark of the Covenant.
The Temple Institute in Israel, they're very confident they have the Ark of the Covenant deep under the bowels of the Dome of the Rock.
What do you think, Bob?
I don't believe that at all.
If the Ark exists, now I haven't seen it, but I've spent 22 years, I've had 22 trips to Ethiopia.
I'm the only Westerner that was involved in their committee.
I've been given privy information that I can't share with you because I was asked not to share it, but they have the Ark of the Covenant.
or a replica which they believe to have been the Ark of the Covenant for 2,000 years.
I can make a complete reasonable trail going from the temple during the time of Manasseh, going to Egypt, and then going to Ethiopia.
I think I've shown that in Worldview Weekends.
I can lay out a very, very, very strong case for that.
But then again, we're talking about an object that is extremely holy, and people want to make Things holy when they may not be.
So they have an object, and I think it very well could be the Ark, but we'll have to see in time.
But it could be a replica.
It could be a replica, but it's such a good replica that they believed that it'd be the Ark of the Covenant, and they believed it for 2,000 years.
You know, we have Zephaniah 3.10 that says a gift will come from Ethiopia and come to Christ during the Messianic reign.
We have Isaiah 18 that talks about a great gift coming from Ethiopia and the lake with papyrus, that's the boats of papyrus, that's Lake Tanna, coming to Christ during the Messianic period.
We have a lot of those interesting verses that no scholar has tiptoed, you know, waded into.
They've tiptoed around them, and I bring them forth and say, hey, wait a second, we've got all these verses, we have all these historians, we have all these people in Ethiopia to claim to have the Ark of the Covenant, and who came to visit, you know, Wow.
All right, let's go to the phones.
Just before we go to the phones, just so you guys know, Bob, you and I have been working together, what, 25 years or more?
Almost 30.
all the temple treasures of Candace, who claimed to have the Ark of the Covenant.
Wow. All right, let's go to the phones. Just before we go to the phones, just so you guys
know, Bob, you and I have been working together, what, 25 years or more?
Almost 30. Almost 30.
Can you believe that?
Yeah, Logan, I just bounced him on my knee when he was a little kid.
I remember that.
That is absolutely true.
Logan started traveling in the motorcoach with us when he was three months old.
Three months old!
You and I would be in cars and And buses, and we'd be traveling all over the country in those days.
Man, it was a lot of fun.
We had a lot of fun.
Yes, we did.
We sure did.
We spoke before thousands and thousands.
They would pack it out, standing room only.
We had some of the greatest speakers, yourself, Josh McDowell, so many others.
Great time.
Yeah, Mr. Geisler.
I was with Norm Geisler.
Yeah, Norm Geisler, yeah.
I was driving in a Worldview weekend, and you don't know the story.
We're in Minnesota.
We're driving, and all of a sudden, he calls his wife.
He looks at me and says, my wife's not home.
She's always home.
Calls his daughter.
She's gotta be home.
She's not home.
Calls his sisters, calls everybody, his whole family.
Nobody answers.
He says, it's been the rapture, Bob.
You and I didn't make the cut.
And I said, Norm, it's Sunday morning.
They're in church.
He goes, oh, okay, okay.
He called.
Dr. Norm Geisler.
If you guys don't know who that is, you should look him up and get his books.
A great defender of Christianity, Norm Geisler.
Just passed away three or four years ago.
Let's go to Ron from Virginia, line one.
Ron, thanks for calling in tonight, Ron.
Hey, guys, Brandon, I tell you, I just I've tried to get through to you and Mike several times, but I'll be brief.
I'm a pastor.
I've been a pastor.
I was a pastor for 16 years and I listened to Ron White or Wyatt.
Right, right.
His discoveries on how he went and looked for different artifacts and The one that really was very intriguing to me was when he found the Ark of the Covenant, and how it, you know, in that video tells about how the angels was guarding it.
And I heard your guest a while ago, what's his name, Bob?
Cornuke, yeah, Bob.
Bob said, regardless of any, if the Shroud of Turin is legitimate or not, it still doesn't change our opinion on what the Word of God says.
And I hold that true because the Bible says the Word of God will stand forever.
Heaven and earth pass away, but His Word will stand forever.
But going back to the Ark of the Covenant, Ron Wyatt said that the angel inside of the tomb, I mean inside of the cave where he found the Ark of the Covenant, told him exactly What to do with the blood.
And so he scraped some of it off, put it in a film canister, and they took it.
And the angel explained where and exactly how to dilute it and to see what was happening.
So at the end of like 72 hours, or I think it was 72 hours, they went back and the chemist said, you're not going to believe this.
So this blood, this, this blood is alive.
Now you have.
Okay.
Let me, let me have, I got to get some more colors in.
So Ron, let me have, let me have Bob jump in before I go to Ronnie.
Go ahead, Bob.
First of all, first of all, that is completely bogus.
I'm sorry, pastor.
Uh, he said that, uh, the, the top of the lid of the Ark was 900 pounds.
Uh, he said that, uh, angels have told him that he was going to advance this, this story to mankind, that six people died when he went in there to see the Ark.
They're dressed in Levitical garb.
This is underneath the truck stop in the Gordon's Calvary over there.
Where is this supposed to be?
Because I've never heard this story.
Tell you the truth, I've studied Ron for a long time.
I don't want to make this a story about Ron Wyatt, but Ron Wyatt made these claims.
And I met with the Israeli Archaeological Authority, IAA over there, who researched his claims and they said, There's nothing there.
We went in, there's nothing there.
No six people died.
Ron said he had to carry them out.
When these six people saw it, it would be pretty big news.
You have six bodies laying around in Jerusalem at a tourist site.
So I'm very sorry to this pastor, but I would look at Ron's finds with high degree of skepticism.
I'm sorry we had to go that way in this talk, but a lot of people believe that him, that he found this blood.
And by the way, the photo that he said was the Ark, that one photo, he said the emulsion didn't show up and that Too bad that one photo of the Ark didn't show up.
It was just a blurry thing.
So, this is just not right that this is being put out there, and I'm sorry for that.
Yeah, well, the Ron called in, and you get to respond, so there you go.
Let's go to Ronnie in Nevada, line 2.
Ronnie in Nevada, thanks for calling in, Ronnie.
Hey, God bless you both.
There sure are a lot of Rons today.
My question is, I saw a documentary about two years ago On a piece of wood that they were allowed to get from, supposedly, Jesus's cross.
And, uh, I guess they couldn't really verify it.
I was wondering if you heard anything on that.
Okay.
Uh, Bob?
There's about, uh, you know, Calvin said there's enough pieces of Jesus's cross that you could build a Spanish galleon with it.
Um, so there, there's more piece of cross out there than, than anything you have, because that's such a, it's such an easy thing.
There could be a piece from Jesus cross out there and it could be valid.
It could be sitting in some church, but it gets diluted with all these other forgeries that we don't know where to go because we have no, we have nothing to really prove it.
So I am, I, you know, I, I'm an, a former homicide investigator guy.
I like to see the evidence and like to have it be tested like the shroud.
They didn't test the, you know, the whole, the part of the shroud that wasn't corrupted.
We need to find out if it is the piece of cross from Christ.
How would we even know?
There's no provenance.
And like you said, we go back to the Middle Ages.
There were so many forgeries.
There was so much.
They had brokers that were bringing objects out of Jerusalem.
And if there was a tooth, a knight would want to keep that around his neck.
If there was ashes from a gravesite, didn't matter whose it was, they would put it in the hilt of their sword, believing that they had a holy object.
Now we say, wait a second.
There are no objects that we know of in Scripture that do have this kind of divine power.
But we do read about Paul, who had his garments, when they touched the garments of Paul's garments, people were healed.
So, we do have this sort of energy that God imbues in objects.
The problem is, it gets all jumbled up in history, and with all this time, we can't really prove.
For instance, in a crime scene, Minutes, seconds are precious because a drop of blood can be blown away with a breath of wind or stepped on or corrupted.
Now we go 2,000 years, it's very difficult.
The thing that Christ wants us to look at is not the cross, not the cross, but what happened on the cross.
That's what we should be studying with fervency, is what happened on the cross and how that impacted society or the world in general.
Absolutely.
Let's go to Joe from Pennsylvania.
Joe, thanks for calling in tonight, Joe.
Hi, Joe.
I wasn't brought to your attention.
Revelation 11, 19, I believe, says John, either a vision or not, said the temple of God was opened and the Ark of the Covenant was seen there.
Okay, I need to have that read in total because what you're reading is a verse that says the Ark of the Covenant and the Ark of God, of His covenant, which is God's covenant, which will be in the temple.
The temple didn't go up into heaven.
Is that Revelation 11, Bob?
You know about what verse?
I don't know the verse, but I know of the verse because I've been asked this question.
I just don't have it memorized, the sequential numbers of it.
But what it's saying here, go ahead and read it.
Verse 19, the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of his covenant was seen in his temple, and there were lightning, noises, thunders, and earthquakes in a great hall.
Great hail!
Great hail!
It's the Ark of His Covenant, God's Ark.
See, there's an earthly reality, a heavenly reality, and then there's an earthly copy or shadow.
So when Moses was given the dimensions of the Ark, it's from the Ark that's in heaven, God's heaven and God's temple, and that is His Ark.
But the Ark of the Covenant here on Earth is totally different, that this is an earthly copy.
Moses was given specific details on how to build it.
Length, width, height, made out of acacia wood, covered in gold.
The top portion of the ark is separate.
It's hammered gold.
And it's not these big angels like you see in Steven Spielberg.
It's hammered gold, which means it can only go up to about six inches.
It was more like a seat.
We have the mercy seat as being described as the mercy seat where Christ will rule and reign upon his return, which is very interesting.
A lot of people are suggesting that.
But we're talking about a heavenly Reality and earthly copy when you're here reading that verse.
And then tell me quickly before we let you go.
His website's baseinstitute.org?
Yes.
Baseinstitute.org.
Bob, tell me the latest real quick on the search for Noah's Ark.
What's the last thing you've heard about that?
I have not been involved in the ark search for a long time because I've been, let's say, a nine-eye ark searcher.
I've climbed that horrible mountain many times.
I don't know why God knows all his wisdom couldn't have the ark land in the mountains of Maui where it's easy for me to go, but it's on this horrible ice peak thing over there.
But the latest things we have is we have some really good finds.
We just found, I stumbled onto John Hyrcanus' tomb, which I have a peer-reviewed scholastic paper being released on that in the next month or two.
And then we have the Mother Church we're working on and the correct location of Christ's crucifixion.
Of course, we've been working on that for a long time.
We have a lot of stuff going on.
Do you think they'll ever find Noah's Ark?
I don't think, I think we do.
We should burn it because it'll become an idle object.
People were, just like Hezekiah broke the staff of the snakes in the wilderness.
When they looked at the snake, they were healed.
People are going to think they get healed by a piece of wood.
They don't get healed by a piece of wood.
They get healed of their sins through the blood of Christ on the cross, who died for us, who was resurrected and rose on the third day.
So a cloth or a piece of wood doesn't impact me.
Those things impact me because they show me that I have a hope for eternal life and forgiveness of Jesus Christ.
Amen.
Bob always brings it back to the gospel, doesn't he, folks?
That's one reason we like Bob Cornuke.
BaseInstitute.org.
BaseInstitute.org.
People can book you to come speak to their group or church, right, Bob?
Yes, and I'd love to come do it.
We have some new things, amazing things on the temple and Christ's crucifixion location.
Amazing.
Excellent.
BaseInstitute.org.
BaseInstitute.org.
Thank you, Bob.
Say hi to your family for me.
Thanks.
Brandon, have a good one.
You too.
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