The Megyn Kelly Show - MTG Quits, Markle's False Narrative, and Woke Remnants, with Maureen Callahan, Jillian Michaels, and The Fifth Column  |  Ep. 1202
Aired: 2025-11-26
Duration: 01:50:18


=== Life Changing California Moments (02:29) ===

[00:00:00]  FIKEN presenterer et super-enkelt regnskapsprogram for alt det regnskapsgreiene til bedriften din.
[00:00:08]  Det var enkelt?
[00:00:09]  FIKEN.
[00:00:10]  Et super-enkelt regnskapsprogram.
[00:00:15]  Telia presenterer fem ligner om 5G.
[00:00:18]  En unker fra Moe-Irana møtte selve draumedama.
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[00:00:30]  Det hørtes da koselig ut.
[00:00:32]  Og spesielt siden du nå kan få ubegrenset data fra kun 429 kroner per måned, hilsen Telia.
[00:00:52]  It's so good to see you.
[00:00:56]  Gosh, this is a great crowd.
[00:00:57]  Thank you so much for turning out.
[00:01:00]  It means so much to me.
[00:01:02]  And I know this is basically winter weather for you, Californians, so it took a lot.
[00:01:07]  It took a lot to get you out of your houses, I'm sure.
[00:01:10]  You know, I was just saying to my team backstage, this is the ninth of ten appearances that we're doing.
[00:01:15]  So the tour is wrapping up.
[00:01:17]  I'm with you on the second to last night of the tour.
[00:01:21]  And it has been life-changing for me.
[00:01:24]  I am so glad that we did this.
[00:01:27]  I think it would be life-changing just to do what you're doing right now and sit in the audience and be in a sea of reasonable right-wingers.
[00:01:37]  I'm especially in California.
[00:01:40]  But to be on my end of it and like to be able to get to see all of you, you know, like in a way, the relationship is real, but it's kind of one-sided sometimes because you get to see me, but I don't get to see you.
[00:01:50]  You get to hear about my weirdnesses in my life, but I don't get to hear about yours.
[00:01:53]  And I get just a taste of it backstage when we do the VIP meet and greets.
[00:01:57]  But like when we're going to do the QA, I'll get to talk to people who didn't get to the meet and greet.
[00:02:02]  And when I see you out there, like I now see your face and I'll think of you when I do the next broadcast.
[00:02:06]  And that's what's been happening for me.
[00:02:08]  And it just makes me happier and better and more connected to you.
[00:02:11]  And so I'm really grateful.
[00:02:12]  You could be doing any number of things tonight.
[00:02:14]  Now you had to buy a ticket, you had to wait outside, you had to do the magnetometer, all this stuff.
[00:02:18]  And let's face it, there's always like an element now of is it safe?
[00:02:23]  And it is safe.
[00:02:24]  And thank God, thanks to this crack security team, we are safe.
[00:02:27]  So I'm so grateful.

=== Safety and Gratitude Tonight (15:45) ===

[00:02:30]  I'm also sorry that you live in the People's Republic of California and have to deal with the unfortunate politicians that come with your immensely beautiful state.
[00:02:40]  And everyone knows California is, if not the most beautiful, at least one of the top three in the country.
[00:02:45]  That's why you put up with all the nonsense, right?
[00:02:48]  Yeah.
[00:02:49]  My own personal plan with my children is to just never let them come here because we cannot have them living on the West Coast.
[00:02:56]  We love them too much.
[00:02:57]  So we just say terrible things about California and hope they believe it.
[00:03:01]  You know, like the people are weird.
[00:03:02]  You don't want to go there.
[00:03:04]  They don't have a change of seasons.
[00:03:08]  Whatever it takes.
[00:03:10]  Look, whenever I come out here, I am reminded of the reasons to live here.
[00:03:14]  And it's not the politicians, but it is the people.
[00:03:17]  One of the things we've noticed just in our two stops here so far is how great the law enforcement has been.
[00:03:22]  Seriously.
[00:03:25]  They're taking great care of us.
[00:03:27]  And they too are good looking.
[00:03:28]  It's amazing.
[00:03:30]  Do they let ugly people into the state of California?
[00:03:34]  And I've been thinking about them in the past couple of days because of this ridiculous stunt that these Democrat lawmakers pulled on the warnings that you're not supposed to follow illegal orders, right?
[00:03:48]  You saw this, right?
[00:03:48]  With the most annoying U.S. senator we have, and that's saying something.
[00:03:52]  This Alyssa Slotkin of Michigan.
[00:03:54]  You saw the cross-examining examination she did of Pete, right?
[00:03:59]  I know, I know, you've done your genuine.
[00:04:02]  I know, I believe you care about the troops.
[00:04:04]  This is how she cross-examined Pete Hegseth, who's been deployed three times.
[00:04:07]  Okay, sure.
[00:04:08]  He really needs you to pat him on the head and reaffirm his commitment to the troops.
[00:04:12]  Who does she think she is?
[00:04:13]  So now she gets in there after doing desk jobs in the CIA, and she wants to tell our soldiers that they can disobey the orders of our commander-in-chief.
[00:04:24]  And you knew it, even if you didn't know it, know it, you knew that this was wrong.
[00:04:27]  You knew that this was dangerous, right, for these, her and these other lawmakers to try to lecture our troops and insert themselves in the relationship between them and their commander-in-chief?
[00:04:36]  Like, what are you doing?
[00:04:37]  Who would even think about messing with that?
[00:04:40]  But I didn't know it, know it, like on a gut level until I heard my friend Carl Higby, who is at Newsmax and served our country honorably.
[00:04:48]  He's a Navy SEAL.
[00:04:49]  Don't mess with Carl.
[00:04:51]  Talk about this on his show.
[00:04:54]  Take a look at the sound bite.
[00:04:56]  This is the story of how stupid political clickbait videos like Slotkin's have real consequences.
[00:05:02]  You remember this guy from the movie American Sniper?
[00:05:06]  This guy right here?
[00:05:07]  That was going around drilling holes in children's faces?
[00:05:10]  In 2009, my platoon caught that guy in real life, the butcher of Fallujah.
[00:05:15]  He was also the man responsible for hanging four American contractors, one of which was a SEAL brother of mine, whose body was lit on fire dangling from a bridge by his neck.
[00:05:25]  My team caught that guy.
[00:05:27]  And when we brought him back, the same people who sent us on that mission, they turned around and court-martialed us for abusing him in custody, which we clearly did not do, which was proven by our full acquittals almost immediately in a courtroom, all because politicians wanted to have the talking point that they stood with the Iraqi people over their own soldiers.
[00:05:47]  And the generals, whose promotions need to be approved by the Senate, people by like Mark Kelly and Alyssa Slotkin, they bent the knee and they sacrificed me and my team at the altar of their political correctness.
[00:06:00]  And you know what it did?
[00:06:02]  It made every soldier in Iraq and Afghanistan second guess everything.
[00:06:07]  Stuff like this gets people killed.
[00:06:09]  It creates stupid rules of engagement, some of which killed my friends personally because they want to play political grandstand games with no intention of ever backing the soldier up when he does the bidding that they subtly encouraged.
[00:06:25]  This is why people hate politicians.
[00:06:28]  They pop off like they're some moral authority without listing a single specific thing that Trump has done illegally.
[00:06:35]  So good, right?
[00:06:38]  Not only is it offensive, it's downright dangerous.
[00:06:41]  And then adding fuel to the fire and insult to injury, when Trump sends out this is treasonous, this is treason, that the punishment of which is death.
[00:06:53]  What do they do?
[00:06:55]  Oh, poor me.
[00:06:56]  I'm the victim of Trump's mean.
[00:06:58]  That's actually been their next move, to call out Trump's rhetoric.
[00:07:02]  Trump's rhetoric is not the problem here.
[00:07:05]  Your rhetoric was, Alyssa, take responsibility and butt your fat ass out of the relationship between Donald Trump, the commander-in-chief, and our troops.
[00:07:18]  Okay.
[00:07:19]  Let's take some Q ⁇ A with you guys.
[00:07:21]  Enough about me and her.
[00:07:25]  He's going to line them up over here.
[00:07:27]  We'll get in as many as we can.
[00:07:28]  Keep them tight if you can so I can get to as many as possible.
[00:07:31]  And then we'll bring out our friends.
[00:07:34]  Hi, Megan.
[00:07:35]  Hi.
[00:07:36]  I'm a normal Californian.
[00:07:40]  I assumed.
[00:07:41]  Yes.
[00:07:42]  And my question is, how do we take California back?
[00:07:47]  I mean, it's, you know.
[00:07:49]  Okay, I got two words for you.
[00:07:52]  Steve Hilton.
[00:07:56]  You gotta elect some normie people.
[00:08:00]  You gotta convince your neighbors.
[00:08:02]  You know, I don't, like, if the Palisades fire, like, if that stuff doesn't convince people that Democrat governance doesn't work, how are we gonna get them?
[00:08:10]  I don't know.
[00:08:11]  I wish I knew, but you do need people like Steve, who he's utterly electable.
[00:08:16]  He's so charming.
[00:08:17]  He's nice.
[00:08:18]  He cares.
[00:08:18]  He can talk the talk.
[00:08:19]  He is a right-winger, but he's not like a far-right-winger.
[00:08:22]  So, you know, that's what you need here.
[00:08:24]  I think he's got a shot.
[00:08:25]  Last poll I saw, he was one up.
[00:08:27]  He was leading.
[00:08:29]  So you got to mobilize, though.
[00:08:31]  Only you're going to be able to do it by getting other people to vote and getting your friends to vote and getting the kids off the sofa and all that.
[00:08:36]  Thank you.
[00:08:36]  Yeah.
[00:08:39]  Hi, Megan.
[00:08:39]  Scott Sprague.
[00:08:40]  Love you.
[00:08:41]  Listen to you every day.
[00:08:42]  You're awesome.
[00:08:44]  So I just have to say, Marjorie Taylor Legreen gone in January.
[00:08:49]  What's the deal with that?
[00:08:49]  Do you know anything about that?
[00:08:51]  Not to punt on this, but we're going to talk about that with the fifth column, so I'll save my response when they come out.
[00:08:57]  But that's our first order of business.
[00:08:58]  You guys heard the news about MTG?
[00:09:00]  She's resigning as of January.
[00:09:03]  It's unbelievable.
[00:09:04]  I was stunned.
[00:09:05]  Sorry, Kazar.
[00:09:06]  Go ahead.
[00:09:06]  Hi.
[00:09:07]  Hi, Megan.
[00:09:08]  Nice to meet you in person.
[00:09:09]  Nice to meet you, too.
[00:09:11]  I'm Xavier DeRusso from PragerU.
[00:09:14]  You got a big fan club here.
[00:09:20]  So the last piece of advice that our friend Charlie Kerr gave to me was to become unapologetically outspoken about the threat of radical Islam taking over the West.
[00:09:30]  Yes.
[00:09:33]  So my question is: after they spent nearly $7 billion corrupting our educational institutions, a quarter billion dollars lobbying Congress and trying to buy out almost every major media outlet and personality, myself included, why are we not as outspoken about Qatar as people are about Israel?
[00:09:55]  Yeah, I mean, the threat of radical Islam is real and even like regular Islam to the extent it's taking over our cities.
[00:10:05]  And that's just a matter of how we want to live culturally here in America.
[00:10:09]  And I think Charlie was a great example of somebody who is willing to speak out on the hard truths of how Islam is not consistent with the fundamental values of the West.
[00:10:17]  And we should not be rooting for people who are Muslim to take over as our mayors and our governors and our presidents and so on.
[00:10:25]  It's nothing against our friends who are Muslim.
[00:10:28]  You can love your friends who are Muslim.
[00:10:30]  You can support them and their ability to worship the way they want to, but it doesn't mean you want more and more people who are Islamic taking over as the governors and the mayors and the legislators here in America because their religion is more than a religion.
[00:10:43]  It is a political doctrine, and it is one that is totally, wholly inconsistent with the fundamental values of the West, like free speech, like women's equality and women's rights, and the separation of church and state, which we believe in pretty strongly here.
[00:10:56]  We definitely don't want it to be less separated when you're looking at the tenets of Islam and you're thinking about things like genital mutilation of little girls.
[00:11:04]  It's a no.
[00:11:06]  So he told you the right thing, Xavier.
[00:11:08]  We got to talk about it.
[00:11:09]  We've got to be fearless in talking about it.
[00:11:12]  Love you.
[00:11:12]  Thank you for the question.
[00:11:13]  Thanks for being here.
[00:11:15]  Hi, Megan.
[00:11:16]  Nice to meet you.
[00:11:17]  I'm a really big fan of your show.
[00:11:19]  Thank you.
[00:11:19]  So one of my questions is we have a lot of lobbying firms and that's okay.
[00:11:24]  But with foreign country lobbying, should AIPAC be registered as a foreign agent act?
[00:11:30]  I think it should.
[00:11:31]  I really think APAC should register under the AFARA Foreign Agent Registration Act.
[00:11:37]  And not just APAC, though.
[00:11:39]  I mean, there are a lot of foreign countries that are trying to get into America and lobby our lawmakers and push our American agenda to serve their foreign interests, which great, that's fine.
[00:11:49]  They can do that if they want, but they should all be registered.
[00:11:51]  Why should we have to wonder who they're loyal to?
[00:11:53]  It should all be there, black and white, for everybody to perfectly understand, okay, you're here really on the behalf of Israel, not really on the behalf of America, or Qatar, or Saudis, or whomever.
[00:12:05]  I'd much rather know.
[00:12:06]  I want way more transparency on all of this.
[00:12:08]  So thank you for the question.
[00:12:12]  Hi.
[00:12:13]  Hi.
[00:12:13]  I'm Emily, host of Emily Saves America.
[00:12:16]  Hi.
[00:12:16]  Hi, nice.
[00:12:19]  Question.
[00:12:21]  I thought after Charlie, we would all come together a bit more.
[00:12:24]  With all the fighting going on on the right specifically, I tend to be in the middle of a lot of controversies on the right.
[00:12:31]  What would your advice be to put that aside, to focus on coming together and winning elections, which is what we need to do?
[00:12:38]  Thank you, Emily.
[00:12:39]  Yes.
[00:12:40]  Shoot it into my veins.
[00:12:42]  I'm with you.
[00:12:43]  Aren't you bummed out about all the fighting on the right wing right now?
[00:12:46]  Right?
[00:12:47]  Doesn't it just kind of make you feel sick?
[00:12:49]  I feel like that the feeling like when you have an argument with a friend and it's not somebody who you want to discard, it's somebody who you actually want to patch it up with, but you're too mad at each other.
[00:12:58]  I have that feeling right now, a lot.
[00:13:01]  I just feel like I hate the right wing infighting.
[00:13:03]  I will say like most of it, not all of it, but a lot of it right now is around the Israel issue.
[00:13:09]  And I have dear, dear friends, as you know, on both sides of this.
[00:13:14]  And I really think the best thing for Israel and for us is the fact that Trump managed to help wrap up this war.
[00:13:20]  Thankfully, it's looking like it's holding.
[00:13:23]  And once Israel is off the front pages and at the apex of our foreign policy concerns, I think we're going to get back to normal.
[00:13:30]  I think things are going to settle.
[00:13:31]  I think our American Jewish friends are going to feel less like they're at the pointy end of the spear.
[00:13:35]  Like people are constantly talking about them and now saying more and more negative things about Israel.
[00:13:40]  And I think most people who are America first and are over the Israel thing will, once their anger settles over this whole thing, they will quickly move on from talking about Israel all the time.
[00:13:50]  And I think that'll help.
[00:13:52]  Thank you for the question.
[00:13:56]  Hi.
[00:13:56]  Hi.
[00:13:57]  Thank you so much for being out here.
[00:13:58]  California, I always tell people it's the greatest, the most beautiful state on the nation, or in the nation.
[00:14:04]  It's been ruined by our politics.
[00:14:06]  Thank you so much for coming out here.
[00:14:07]  I promise, we're still out here.
[00:14:10]  We're still out here.
[00:14:11]  We're not mad.
[00:14:12]  Please, the rest of the children.
[00:14:13]  And you're not alone.
[00:14:14]  Please, don't.
[00:14:14]  I'm asking, please, if you're a Republican Party, please don't forget about us Republicans in California.
[00:14:20]  We're still out there.
[00:14:20]  Thank you for that.
[00:14:22]  We won't.
[00:14:22]  This is not just another liberal state.
[00:14:24]  I promise.
[00:14:24]  We're still out here.
[00:14:25]  So I have a question for you today.
[00:14:27]  I promise I'm not trying to get you in trouble.
[00:14:28]  I'm curious if you have any thoughts or any concerns about the Peter Thiel network, companies like Andoril, Palantir, like mass surveillance, AI-driven companies, autonomous police capabilities.
[00:14:39]  I know that's something of a hot topic, at least with maybe more of the dissident right.
[00:14:43]  And I was wondering if you had any thoughts.
[00:14:44]  I definitely have concerns about mass surveillance and what's happening.
[00:14:48]  And I also have concerns about companies like OpenAI and what's happening with AI and the non-stop spying on us and eating of our data and then regurgitation of it to force 16-year-olds to take their own lives.
[00:15:01]  I mean, it's really gotten out of hand.
[00:15:03]  And the mass surveillance has gotten out of hand too.
[00:15:05]  I mean, they're stealing our data every day.
[00:15:07]  You just walk around with that rectangle in your pocket and they know pretty much everything you've done.
[00:15:12]  It's really disconcerting.
[00:15:13]  And that's why I'm super thrilled to see the advent of more secure phones.
[00:15:18]  We advertise for the Up Phone, which is, that's an Eric Prince phone.
[00:15:23]  And like, you know, Eric Prince ran Blackwater.
[00:15:24]  This guy could get in and out of Fallujah safely.
[00:15:27]  He can get a phone that they cannot hack.
[00:15:29]  So I'm very much in favor of these alternatives that are rising up because you should not trust your government.
[00:15:34]  You should not trust big tech.
[00:15:36]  And you should take whatever steps you can to protect yourself and your data.
[00:15:39]  Thank you.
[00:15:42]  Hi, Megan.
[00:15:43]  My name is Allison, and I feel like California is worth saving.
[00:15:47]  And with seeing you here and everyone here, it probably will be.
[00:15:51]  You guys are ground zero.
[00:15:52]  Yeah.
[00:15:53]  Anyway, I just want to say, people that are here in your audience, they're probably diving into independent media and hearing versions of stories we've been told for decades that are probably different than what we've been told.
[00:16:04]  And I'm just curious because your audience trusts you.
[00:16:07]  You guys do your homework.
[00:16:08]  You don't put anything out unless you've vetted it.
[00:16:11]  So do you have interest in looking into certain things, 9-11 or Oklahoma City or Charlie Kirk's murder?
[00:16:18]  Or do you, how do you decide what to look into?
[00:16:21]  And do you have interest in that?
[00:16:23]  Actually, a very good question.
[00:16:25]  I think you can safely assume that if I don't put it on my show, I'm not buying it.
[00:16:31]  I put on the show what I can verify and what I know.
[00:16:34]  My sort of unofficial tagline is relentlessly factual.
[00:16:37]  And if I can't take it to the bank in a place where I'm not going to embarrass you, I don't put it on the show.
[00:16:44]  So it's not to say I don't believe anything that's out there.
[00:16:47]  It's like some of the conspiracies that I didn't buy turned out to be true.
[00:16:52]  So it's not that I always have the right place on that.
[00:16:56]  It's just my approach as a recovering lawyer is always just to keep it completely within bounds because my worst nightmare is that you guys get embarrassed by something you heard on my show and then you go repeat it to somebody and it's wrong.
[00:17:08]  And I just pledged to you I will never put you in that position.
[00:17:11]  So yes, so if you have an appetite for that stuff, you know where to get it and that's fine too.
[00:17:17]  I have no problem with people who are more looking into those things too.
[00:17:21]  It's just for my own sanity and my own brand, I go a different way.
[00:17:25]  Yeah, thank you.
[00:17:28]  Hi, Megan.
[00:17:29]  My name's Morgan.
[00:17:30]  I'm a huge fan.
[00:17:31]  I listen to you every single day.
[00:17:33]  I'm a California transplant and you motivated me to run for my local school board.
[00:17:40]  Oh.
[00:17:42]  Did you make it?
[00:17:42]  I did.
[00:17:43]  I won by 80 votes.
[00:17:45]  Woo!
[00:17:46]  It took on 45 days to count the votes.
[00:17:50]  And I won by 80 votes.
[00:17:51]  So thank you.
[00:17:52]  It's amazing.
[00:17:53]  Yeah, it's been a blessing and a curse, but thank you for motivating me.
[00:17:58]  But my question for you is, and I'm here on my birthday.
[00:18:01]  My sister brought me for my birthday.
[00:18:03]  Happy birthday.
[00:18:04]  Thank you.
[00:18:05]  And my question for you is: I started to notice some of the ads leading into your show, not during your show, were promoting Prop 50, Big Pharma.

=== Trusting Media in Disagreement (03:23) ===

[00:18:15]  And I wasn't sure if you're aware that they're coming after your audience and you know those are the lead-ins.
[00:18:21]  How do you listen to the show?
[00:18:22]  What via what?
[00:18:23]  I listen to it on Apple Podcasts.
[00:18:24]  On podcast, okay.
[00:18:26]  So usually, like, we have the host read ads, all of which I bless.
[00:18:30]  If I read it, I blessed it.
[00:18:32]  I approved it.
[00:18:34]  And all the rest are like programmatic ads where they buy ad time through Apple or through SiriusXN.
[00:18:41]  And those I don't have approval over.
[00:18:43]  So I'm not surprised they're trying to get my audience because it's a very reasonable, smart, covetable audience.
[00:18:48]  So that's fine.
[00:18:49]  We're strong enough to listen to their bullshit on Prop 50 or whatever.
[00:18:53]  Let them waste their money trying to get us, right?
[00:18:56]  Rather than trying to motivate voters to actually might get to the polls and vote with them.
[00:19:00]  So anyway, I don't know.
[00:19:02]  Like, I'm fine taking their money.
[00:19:03]  I guess at some point I must get some piece of that.
[00:19:06]  But really, the host reads ads are the ones that I stand behind.
[00:19:10]  Like Cowboy Colestra.
[00:19:16]  Madagascar vanilla.
[00:19:20]  They tried to make it sound exotic.
[00:19:23]  It's from a cow.
[00:19:26]  Okay, one more and then we gotta go.
[00:19:28]  Hi, Megan.
[00:19:29]  Hi.
[00:19:29]  Hi, Kevin.
[00:19:30]  Hi, Kevin.
[00:19:31]  I have a question regarding H.R. 4310.
[00:19:36]  It's an Obama-era law regarding propaganda.
[00:19:40]  And I was wondering, I mean, it's hard enough to get the right information or the correct information because of all the fake news and the fake media.
[00:19:49]  So what can be done to be repealing laws like that so that we're not lied to on a daily basis?
[00:19:55]  Well, I'm not familiar with the law that you're citing, but in general, propaganda, I don't think it should be handled by government regulation.
[00:20:03]  I don't want any regulation from government on speech pretty much at all.
[00:20:07]  I think the answer to bullshit propaganda is finding real news sources that you trust.
[00:20:14]  And that takes some time.
[00:20:15]  It does take time to actually figure out who do I trust in the media.
[00:20:18]  And then when you do, you're good.
[00:20:20]  So like you do have to put some effort into figuring out like who do I trust?
[00:20:23]  Who's not going to try to mind meld me into their own agenda?
[00:20:26]  And then you should be fine.
[00:20:27]  But like to say you're going to like avoid people trying to manipulate you through propaganda or just bias is to pretend you don't live in a free society like the United States of America.
[00:20:37]  So you're going to have to deal with it is the bad news.
[00:20:39]  They will come for you.
[00:20:41]  But I got you.
[00:20:42]  Don't worry.
[00:20:43]  Stick with me.
[00:20:44]  All right.
[00:20:45]  I'm sorry for those of you waiting in line.
[00:20:46]  We're going to have to wrap it up because we want to keep this show on time.
[00:20:49]  Thrilled, thrilled, thrilled to be here.
[00:20:50]  And you're going to love, because you watch the MK show, our first guests.
[00:20:54]  All right, now, Michael Moynihan, Camille Foster, and Matt Welsh.
[00:21:02]  You might not necessarily think that they're the perfect fit for the Megan Kelly show.
[00:21:05]  Like, we disagree on a lot.
[00:21:07]  They are not huge Trump fans.
[00:21:10]  They've got, you know, policies that they have stuck by for many, many years as open libertarians that don't always jive with my own worldview, but often do.
[00:21:20]  But they remind me of the fundamental decency of people on the right.
[00:21:28]  I think they would admit they're at least center right.
[00:21:31]  Because even though we disagree over everything, they're like brothers to me.
[00:21:35]  These guys would take a bullet for me, and I would for them too.

=== Decency Amidst Political Divide (14:55) ===

[00:21:39]  And even though there's a million things that we could go to town on, you know, I went to their show and we had like a long and difficult discussion about some of the things we mentioned, like the very dicey issues.
[00:21:50]  And we got completely hammered and we had so much fun.
[00:21:54]  And to me, it's like an example.
[00:21:55]  One of the reasons I bring on guys like the fifth column with whom I have so many disagreements is because we really are able to disagree without being disagreeable.
[00:22:03]  And I think the audience likes that.
[00:22:05]  I think it's a good thing to remind yourself that this is possible, especially for people like you who are living side by side with nothing but people who probably disagree with you, right?
[00:22:14]  So in any way, I'm overstating the delta of our disagreements, but there are enough that I think it's exciting when they come on.
[00:22:21]  And I think they're actually one of our most important guests for that reason alone.
[00:22:25]  I'm going to introduce them via videotape and then we'll bring the guys out.
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[00:23:30]  Hi, Megan.
[00:23:30]  Thank you for coming.
[00:23:32]  It's so happy.
[00:23:33]  Five years.
[00:23:35]  This is the five years.
[00:23:36]  There's a big bunny in front of me.
[00:23:38]  I have to leave now.
[00:23:39]  God, is that real?
[00:23:41]  Is that a deep fake?
[00:23:42]  I thought that was a Megan Kelly deep fake.
[00:23:44]  The man is just not in the same universe as the rest of us and has a person in a bunny suit pulling him away from questions about Afghanistan, which sounds like, you know, some acid trip fever dream in a Jefferson airplane song.
[00:23:59]  Guess what's coming back?
[00:24:01]  Crop tops for men.
[00:24:03]  Corrupt tops.
[00:24:05]  Moynihan's eyes are like silver dollars.
[00:24:07]  Coming back?
[00:24:08]  Quote, my girlfriend.
[00:24:10]  Oh, my girlfriend always makes fun of me.
[00:24:13]  What?
[00:24:13]  What?
[00:24:14]  I have bad news for the girlfriend.
[00:24:16]  Yes.
[00:24:17]  Your boyfriend's gay.
[00:24:19]  Sorry.
[00:24:20]  The land acknowledgement.
[00:24:22]  This land was not claimed or traded.
[00:24:24]  We still live in a system built to suppress Indigenous peoples.
[00:24:27]  Camille, you look moved.
[00:24:29]  I feel like it touched you a little.
[00:24:31]  I mean, there's always something about those land acknowledgements that reminds me of just how out of touch Democrats have the capacity to be.
[00:24:37]  I want to acknowledge Steve, who lived in this apartment before we got a paper.
[00:24:43]  Democrats never actually let Americans mind their own damn business.
[00:24:47]  And calling the people who don't vote Democrats racist is part of that.
[00:24:51]  They are constantly the HR manager, like pointing to banks and telling you what to do.
[00:24:55]  And people are sick of it.
[00:24:56]  Sick of it.
[00:24:57]  Yes.
[00:24:57]  Look, I had the Kamala Harris bobble doll.
[00:24:59]  And this was Kamala Harris last night.
[00:25:01]  I can almost hear her laughing.
[00:25:05]  That's how it went.
[00:25:06]  Sorry, but it was rough.
[00:25:08]  We don't hang out a lot.
[00:25:09]  We don't go for dinners a lot, but we know each other.
[00:25:11]  We've spent hours and hours.
[00:25:14]  I can't think of a lot of friends I have spent this much time with.
[00:25:17]  These relationships you form with the people who you interview and spend time with in this space, they're real.
[00:25:22]  Can you do the poor friends?
[00:25:24]  No.
[00:25:25]  Wow.
[00:25:26]  You just move the chair around.
[00:25:29]  If you can look at it just in the right angle and exclude my C-section scars, you're going to find it really hot.
[00:25:37]  Fifth column, Camille Foster, Michael Moynihan, and Matt Welsh.
[00:25:44]  Woo!
[00:25:46]  Wow!
[00:25:48]  Scars, swords.
[00:25:52]  Unbelievable.
[00:25:53]  Where's your fifth?
[00:25:56]  All we're missing is a hairband.
[00:25:59]  Yes.
[00:26:00]  I know we have fire.
[00:26:01]  Amazing.
[00:26:02]  Fun, right?
[00:26:03]  Welcome back to California.
[00:26:04]  Thanks for having me.
[00:26:06]  I think you said libertarian.
[00:26:08]  And I heard one woman's voice shout, yeah.
[00:26:11]  And I want to buy you a drink later.
[00:26:13]  So just text me.
[00:26:15]  She's for you.
[00:26:16]  That's great.
[00:26:17]  Everybody wants to talk about MTG, guys.
[00:26:21]  She's leaving.
[00:26:22]  She's leaving.
[00:26:23]  What do we think is, I'll give you my own theory.
[00:26:25]  All right, then I want to hear your theory.
[00:26:27]  So I had her on the show, like in Atlanta.
[00:26:30]  It was a week and a half ago.
[00:26:32]  Which, by the way, why couldn't she have announced it live on the set, the MK show?
[00:26:36]  But okay, fine.
[00:26:39]  And I asked her the question about whether AOC was telling the truth when AOC said she asked Trump, MTGS Trump, if she could run for Senate.
[00:26:48]  And he said, no.
[00:26:50]  Like, I don't think you can do it.
[00:26:51]  And he must have somebody else in mind.
[00:26:53]  And he said, basically, I mean, she can do it, but he's like, I'm not going to get behind it.
[00:26:56]  And AOC was saying that's why MTG went on the view and was doing this sort of crossover tour with CNN and sounding very different than she normally sounded.
[00:27:05]  And then her attacks on Trump escalated.
[00:27:07]  She joined the brigade trying to get the Epstein files.
[00:27:10]  He started attacking her downward spiral.
[00:27:13]  And then she said, it's just too toxic and I'm out.
[00:27:15]  But I do think my own view is she lost the support of Trump, clearly for whatever reason.
[00:27:20]  And she recognized there was no future for her in the Republican Party without Big Daddy because her whole brand was as this stalwart of the MAGA movement and decided to peace out once she and he fractured.
[00:27:32]  That's my best guess because I don't know.
[00:27:34]  What else could it be?
[00:27:36]  Well, Moynihan was with her backstage at Bill Maher like 10 days ago, so we don't know what happened there with her.
[00:27:43]  I think we were talking about this in the green room.
[00:27:46]  Who's left that is a Republican elected official who has decided to oppose Trump with some regularity?
[00:27:56]  There's one person, Massey, Thomas Massey.
[00:28:00]  And Trump's going full guns at him.
[00:28:01]  He's trying to get him supplanted.
[00:28:05]  Rand Paul is, you know, he used to play a lot of golf with him in the first term, but like, yeah, Trump is circling back around to him.
[00:28:11]  We forget now, because a lot of time has passed, but in Trump's first administration, in his first year in office, he basically croaked every single potential area of disagreement in the Republican Party.
[00:28:26]  He went straight for the Freedom Caucus and made them his lapdogs within nine months.
[00:28:30]  It was actually kind of spectacular.
[00:28:32]  Justin Limash pieces out.
[00:28:33]  Peter Meyer pieces out.
[00:28:35]  Basically, everyone we invite on our podcast immediately gets on our podcast.
[00:28:42]  Like the Grim Reapers.
[00:28:45]  But I think that's just the reality of Trump's party until the moment that it isn't.
[00:28:48]  And it's very curious to figure out when he is going to be a lame duck.
[00:28:53]  He isn't now.
[00:28:53]  I mean, he's very unpopular in the country, and he's doing worse and worse in the polls.
[00:29:00]  And the generic Democratic ballot is doing incredibly well right now, despite the fact of Democrats.
[00:29:07]  And even with all of that, Republicans are terrified of not just him.
[00:29:11]  They're terrified of his audience, his people out there.
[00:29:15]  And I think it's untenable for an elected Republican to be anti-Trump until the moment that it isn't.
[00:29:21]  So why did she go anti-Trump?
[00:29:23]  I mean, do you think it was the no, don't run for Senate?
[00:29:26]  Like, there was a reason.
[00:29:27]  She started changing, didn't she?
[00:29:29]  Weren't you surprised to see her on CNN?
[00:29:31]  My own person, I feel very strongly that the move for any disaffected Republican is not go on CNN.
[00:29:37]  It's just not.
[00:29:38]  I see that as traitor territory.
[00:29:39]  I do.
[00:29:40]  I am.
[00:29:40]  They hate everything you stand for on the right.
[00:29:42]  I'm not going to suggest in any way that there's some audience feedback that she's responding to, but the Bill Maher show, he does the top of the show.
[00:29:52]  And he sits out there with a guest.
[00:29:53]  And that episode, there was someone talking about aliens.
[00:29:56]  So we were sitting across stage waiting, and she seemed nervous.
[00:30:00]  Because she's going into what she sees as the viper's nest.
[00:30:04]  It's Bill Maher.
[00:30:05]  And she was saying he's like this liberal guy, liberal audience.
[00:30:08]  And I say, yeah, you got to watch out for the audience because when they turn on you, you become the wrestling villain.
[00:30:12]  We went out there and they introduced her and they all applauded, like lustily applauded Southern California, LA audience.
[00:30:20]  They don't know who the guest is going to be.
[00:30:22]  So you can't stack it with MTG fans.
[00:30:24]  So they were very, very pro her.
[00:30:27]  She didn't get a single boo the whole time.
[00:30:29]  But all the things that she said were not necessarily anti-Trump.
[00:30:34]  She had the throat clearing that he's still the greatest president, but.
[00:30:37]  And there was all of these buts until we got to the overtime segment.
[00:30:41]  And she had something that sounded a little more conservative to me, but we were talking about healthcare most of the time.
[00:30:47]  And it was a bit, you know, it could have been in the Bernie Sanders universe.
[00:30:50]  I mean, her politics became, and there's a lot of that in populism too, which is why we disagree with some things you're talking about, is we're definitely ultra-free market people, and there's a lot of people in the populist movement who aren't.
[00:31:02]  But she afterwards, and I can't betray confidence because we had a long conversation afterwards, but she did sound much more left-wing than I had heard her sound in the past.
[00:31:13]  You know, I will say, maybe there's a piece of this I can relate to, because having been on the wrong side of Donald Trump for a good nine months.
[00:31:23]  I've heard about that.
[00:31:25]  I'll have to look that up.
[00:31:26]  By the end of that, I too was sounding more left-wing.
[00:31:30]  You know, like, I was kind of like, I don't like him.
[00:31:34]  I don't want to be around him.
[00:31:36]  I don't want to have to like cover him every night.
[00:31:39]  And it really took four years of Joe Biden to help me see the error of my ways.
[00:31:45]  And then I was like, I love him.
[00:31:47]  I will walk over broken glass for him.
[00:31:50]  Right?
[00:31:50]  I mean, nothing will make you fall in love with Trump like four years with Joe Biden.
[00:31:55]  But I don't know.
[00:31:56]  It's tough.
[00:31:57]  Trump is amazing, and he's, I think, a great president.
[00:32:00]  And he's a special guy.
[00:32:02]  But, you know, he's a big personality.
[00:32:05]  So if you're on the wrong end of that, and you're a Republican, like, you don't, you probably don't have much of a future in Congress.
[00:32:14]  You're not going to have to.
[00:32:15]  When he said Marjorie Trader Green, which I thought was kind of funny.
[00:32:21]  And she was like, my life is in danger.
[00:32:23]  And I was like, wait.
[00:32:25]  Over that.
[00:32:26]  I just did the rhetoric from her, who has, by the way, called a number of people traitors publicly before.
[00:32:32]  But that kind of thing is not something you expect to hear from somebody in the coalition.
[00:32:36]  The Republican Party has generally been this big tent movement, that there is some room for disagreement.
[00:32:43]  And it felt like someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene having particular issues on foreign policy questions, on some other kind of narrow issues, certainly on the Epstein stuff, there's something that was healthy about it for the Republican Party.
[00:32:56]  And I do wonder, both with respect to the way the president responded to this video, but also to the fact that he very publicly kind of read her out of the party, if that isn't something of a misstep, that there isn't something to be gained from having a high-profile person who supports you who just disagrees on a couple of important issues.
[00:33:16]  I think that's her failure, though, because Donald Trump, if you know Donald Trump at all, you know that he forgives everyone.
[00:33:23]  Look at us.
[00:33:24]  This is, yeah, I mean, you can say anything.
[00:33:26]  I had somebody that I interviewed when I was doing the vice show who insulted Donald Trump on camera so aggressively, like in the background.
[00:33:34]  And I was like, should we cut that?
[00:33:35]  He's like, no, it's fine.
[00:33:36]  And then he became a member of the administration.
[00:33:39]  Trump knew all about it.
[00:33:40]  He doesn't care.
[00:33:41]  He said Margaret.
[00:33:41]  JD Vance had the private texts saying kind of like a Nazi.
[00:33:47]  He's like, he's very forgiving.
[00:33:48]  Yeah, and I mean, it's like little Marco, he's like best secretary of state of all time.
[00:33:54]  He's the best.
[00:33:55]  And it's like, don't you guys hate each other at some point?
[00:33:57]  He'll forgive you.
[00:33:58]  You guys will get over it.
[00:34:00]  Don't break up immediately.
[00:34:01]  This is among his best qualities, I think.
[00:34:04]  Like watching that exchange in the Oval today, it actually feels kind of good.
[00:34:09]  No, it doesn't.
[00:34:10]  I won't.
[00:34:11]  I won't.
[00:34:11]  Do you feel good about it?
[00:34:12]  Do you guys feel good about the bromance between Trump and Zorhan Mamdani?
[00:34:17]  No.
[00:34:18]  I'll tell you what.
[00:34:20]  You're thinking like someone who worked at Kennedy, by the way.
[00:34:23]  I want to be the heel.
[00:34:24]  Do the fireworks again.
[00:34:28]  What I like about it is there's something about the vitriol in our politics that I think we have all become accustomed to, but that we all kind of have some contempt for.
[00:34:38]  As you were saying earlier when you were introducing us in such a generous way, thank you for that, by the way.
[00:34:42]  And I was talking to some of the wonderful people in the room in line earlier about the fact that we'll agree on 85, 90% of things.
[00:34:50]  And that's actually true most of the time with most Americans.
[00:34:53]  Granted, that 10% can be pretty damn important.
[00:34:56]  But the fact that we agree on so much ought to give us more opportunities to see scenes like that.
[00:35:02]  And I appreciated that that played out in the office.
[00:35:04]  And of course, Trump being the funniest man to have ever occupied the Oval Office, had the best line of the evening as well.
[00:35:11]  With Zoran?
[00:35:12]  Yeah, totally fine to call me a fascist.
[00:35:14]  Just go ahead and go ahead and go.
[00:35:15]  Did you see that?
[00:35:16]  You don't have to.
[00:35:17]  Do we have that?
[00:35:18]  Hold on, I got a long slot list right now.
[00:35:20]  It's good.
[00:35:20]  It's a very good clip.
[00:35:22]  But we disagree with Mamdani on 98% of things.
[00:35:26]  Well, yeah.
[00:35:27]  In that 10%.
[00:35:28]  No, we don't have any overlap with him at all.
[00:35:30]  As we should.
[00:35:31]  And two of us live in that decaying city.
[00:35:36]  I think he's going to surprise some conservative people, actually.
[00:35:40]  Just days ago, you referred to President Trump as a despot.
[00:35:43]  And I've been called much worse than a despot, so it's not that insulting.
[00:35:48]  I expect to be helping him, not hurting him.
[00:35:50]  A big help, because I want New York City to be great.
[00:35:54]  Do you think you're standing next to a jihadist right now in the Oval Office?
[00:35:57]  No, I know.
[00:35:58]  You say things sometimes in a campaign.
[00:36:00]  I met with a man who's a very rational person.
[00:36:03]  Are you affirming that you think President Trump is a fascist?
[00:36:06]  I've spoken about fascists.
[00:36:07]  That's okay.
[00:36:08]  You could just say something.
[00:36:09]  Okay.
[00:36:10]  It's easier.
[00:36:12]  It's easier than explaining it.
[00:36:13]  I don't know.
[00:36:16]  It's funny.
[00:36:17]  It's funny.
[00:36:18]  I don't like it, but it's funny.
[00:36:19]  What is happening?
[00:36:21]  What is happening?
[00:36:22]  MTG is out, and Trump hates her, and she's a traitor.
[00:36:25]  Zoran Momdani is in, and Trump thinks it's funny to call him a fascist.
[00:36:32]  Who are we?
[00:36:32]  Respect game.
[00:36:34]  Game, respect game.

=== Respect Game Between Queens (15:12) ===

[00:36:35]  They're like, they're both.
[00:36:36]  That's right.
[00:36:37]  They're both from Queens.
[00:36:38]  They both came from outside of the establishment of their parties.
[00:36:42]  They're both really savvy at media, whether you like Mamdani or Trump or not.
[00:36:48]  He's very skilled at it, especially compared to the stiff boards that he was running against.
[00:36:52]  Cuomo's campaign was unbelievably non-existent.
[00:36:55]  It was just the worst campaign.
[00:36:56]  The worst campaign I've ever seen on this, really.
[00:36:58]  Yes.
[00:36:59]  But Trump endorsed Cuomo.
[00:37:00]  And Trump enjoys him.
[00:37:02]  Like Ben Smith, our friend at Semaphore, had a piece just two weeks ago talking about that.
[00:37:08]  There's a fan club within the White House for Zoran Mamdami because they kind of see what he's doing.
[00:37:13]  And as Trump said, and this should terrify every single one of us, especially those of us who live in New York, he's like, hey, we have a lot of the same policies.
[00:37:21]  We're talking about the same economic policies here.
[00:37:23]  That's not good.
[00:37:24]  That's not good at all.
[00:37:25]  But wait, but I've also heard that there's a fan club in the White House for Zorhan Mamdani, but not for that reason.
[00:37:30]  Because they're going to make him the poster boy of the left, the communist left, and they're really looking forward to having him as this thing to sort of beat up for the next four years.
[00:37:40]  Do you want to destroy my city for that?
[00:37:43]  Sorry.
[00:37:43]  Really?
[00:37:44]  I mean, look, these people have no sympathy for you.
[00:37:46]  Look how they have to live.
[00:37:48]  Does anybody have like the one who said, cheer for libertarians?
[00:37:52]  Do you have like a spare room that I can, I love California, but you guys have horrible leadership too.
[00:37:59]  Who will take over Steve's apartment?
[00:38:05]  Well, my rent's not going up.
[00:38:08]  I know that.
[00:38:09]  The cost will go up, but the rent won't.
[00:38:11]  I don't know.
[00:38:11]  I'm uncomfortable with the Zorhan Mamdani romance.
[00:38:13]  And I also, like, to me, I recognize that we're all in media.
[00:38:17]  And you guys consume enough media because you're here that you know it's true too.
[00:38:21]  That like they don't mean it when they say the really terrible things about each other when they're campaigning.
[00:38:26]  You know, like Zoran's been calling Trump all the terrible names.
[00:38:29]  And I watched that New York debate, the last one.
[00:38:31]  I watched both of them, but the last one where Cuomo and Zoran threw down, and Cuomo was like, I will work with Donald Trump.
[00:38:38]  You know, we got to get along with the president.
[00:38:40]  I'll stand up to him when I need to, but there has to be a good relationship between the mayor of New York and the president of the United States.
[00:38:45]  And Zoran's like, I will fight Donald Trump.
[00:38:48]  I will not lie down for die.
[00:38:49]  I will take him on at every turn.
[00:38:51]  And look at the two of them now.
[00:38:53]  Like VFFs.
[00:38:54]  Well, I mean, you saw what whoever the person in the media said, you know, you were called by Elise Stefanik a jihadist.
[00:39:02]  And Trump's response, he's like, she's running for, of course you say that.
[00:39:06]  It doesn't mean anything.
[00:39:07]  And it's like he was saying it out front that he called, she called him a jihadist.
[00:39:11]  And he's like, yeah, but you know that she's running.
[00:39:13]  In Trump's brain, he's like, yeah, you just say stuff.
[00:39:16]  Right.
[00:39:16]  And then what you do is what matters.
[00:39:18]  I think that in a lot of ways, there's obviously limits to that, but in a lot of ways, that is true.
[00:39:24]  I mean, I know that Zorhan Mamdani, much to the disappointment of so many of the morons that I call friends, they don't watch, I can say it, the idiots that I know are.
[00:39:34]  There are friends of mine that I've known for a long time who believe this stuff is going to happen, that you're going to get free buses.
[00:39:41]  They think that the mayor can just do that.
[00:39:43]  It's like, no, this is the rhetoric that makes dummies like you go to the polls because you're going to get free stuff.
[00:39:49]  And it never happens.
[00:39:50]  Students.
[00:39:52]  Did you see the moment we had Jack Posobiec on the stage last night in Bakersfield?
[00:39:56]  And did you see him get in Zoran's face saying, you said you wanted to create tax policy based on where the whites were.
[00:40:07]  Like, you're very focused on targeting whites.
[00:40:10]  You said that.
[00:40:10]  You promised to raise taxes on white people, which is illegal.
[00:40:14]  And he dodged.
[00:40:15]  Zorhan Mamdani sounded a lot more reasonable and less interested in going after the whites when he was cross-examined by Jack, which was interesting.
[00:40:23]  But I actually think it was all fake.
[00:40:27]  I don't think it's a game respects game.
[00:40:29]  I think Trump is always affable when you're affable to him.
[00:40:33]  But as soon as Zoran gets out of there and gets back to New York and says his first bad thing about Trump, which he will, because that's what his constituency wants to see, Trump is the big gorilla is coming back out.
[00:40:44]  I don't think he said anything nice about Trump when Trump was being nice to him.
[00:40:47]  He was kind of sitting there in that kind of statue-like way of saying that.
[00:40:51]  They seem to have.
[00:40:52]  Okay.
[00:40:52]  Right.
[00:40:53]  He seemed to have wooed Trump into like his affable statement.
[00:40:56]  Yeah, not to the media.
[00:40:57]  Where he would say, go ahead and call me a fascist.
[00:40:58]  It's fine.
[00:40:59]  Really, there was some glad handing backstage.
[00:41:01]  All right, but speaking about this weird world in which like Trump doesn't like MTG, but he does like Zoran, Dick Cheney's funeral.
[00:41:09]  What happened?
[00:41:11]  This is so bizarre.
[00:41:12]  Rachel Maddow was in the front row of Dick Cheney's funeral.
[00:41:17]  She literally bashed him every night for years.
[00:41:21]  And yet, and also Trump wasn't there.
[00:41:23]  Like the realignment that is happening right now is real.
[00:41:28]  Can anyone explain?
[00:41:29]  Why do you want to take this egg?
[00:41:31]  A thing that I thought a lot about with Dick Cheney dying and the reaction to it, I was on a conservative radio show in Salt Lake City, I think on the morning that he died, and they had me on to bash Mamdani, which I was happy to.
[00:41:44]  But their preamble was like, oh, Dick Cheney died, by the way, today.
[00:41:49]  He used to be good, but he turned really bad at the end when he went against Trump.
[00:41:52]  And they kind of railed against him for a while.
[00:41:54]  As someone who was never a fan of Dick Cheney to begin with, this is always very fun to kind of watch people go in all these directions.
[00:42:02]  But the two people in the last 50 years who have expanded the powers of the presidency the most, and it's not close, are Dick Cheney and Donald Trump.
[00:42:11]  That was Dick Cheney's project from the time that he was in the Ford administration and seeing the post-Richard Nixon kind of Watergate rollbacks of executive power.
[00:42:19]  He made that his desire and drive under George W. Bush.
[00:42:23]  He wanted to expand those powers.
[00:42:25]  Donald Trump, who campaigned against the Bush family very effectively and very daringly in the 2016 primary and against Cheney and the forever wars and all of this stuff, Trump's picked up all of those powers.
[00:42:38]  He's used all of them gleefully, willingly.
[00:42:40]  Every person has done that since Bush, Obama expanded them, Trump expanded them, Biden continued it too.
[00:42:46]  You can't give the keys and expect someone to give them back.
[00:42:49]  One of the things that I think is interesting is, I don't know if you noticed, Megan, that after when Cheney died, it was almost that I didn't hear about it for a couple of days.
[00:42:59]  There was almost no, and that was more indicative to me of the shift in policy, like away from, I mean, he was, this is a really weird, stupid, narrow distinction that no one cares about, but he wasn't necessarily a neocon.
[00:43:10]  Neocons didn't consider him one, but he was of that universe.
[00:43:13]  He's obviously the man that's one of the big architects of the Iraq war that you could not get a single Republican to say a positive thing about today.
[00:43:20]  Not one.
[00:43:21]  Try to find one.
[00:43:22]  And when he died, no one really said anything.
[00:43:24]  In the strange new respect, when you see this, and our producer Jason mentioned Mark Leibowich's book, Our Town, and about all these people at Tim Russert's funeral, which is a great scene in a book.
[00:43:36]  It shows you, the funeral shows you so much about DC politics because no one believes in anything, really.
[00:43:43]  Rachel Maddow, and there's a new, what is it, Grok or whatever, Gemini, this AI thing.
[00:43:50]  And I said, let me try it out.
[00:43:51]  What did Rachel Maddow say on her show about Dick Cheney?
[00:43:56]  Oh my God, that thing spat out some insane thing.
[00:43:59]  Like, basically, he's a terrorist and he's a war criminal, and she's four rows back sitting next to Anthony Fauci, by the way.
[00:44:05]  Yeah.
[00:44:05]  At this funeral.
[00:44:07]  And so, why are they there?
[00:44:10]  At the end of his life, he hated Trump enough, and that's the paramount thing in her life now.
[00:44:15]  That's it.
[00:44:15]  That's it.
[00:44:16]  He hated Trump.
[00:44:18]  That's why Rachel Maddow showed up at his funeral.
[00:44:21]  Think of how F up that is.
[00:44:23]  It's really crazy.
[00:44:24]  What is that?
[00:44:25]  Unlike people like Bill Crystal, who actually just changed his politics.
[00:44:29]  He's become kind of an FDR Democrat now in the process of becoming an anti-Trump person.
[00:44:34]  As far as I know, Dick Cheney never changed any of his politics.
[00:44:38]  No, he just didn't like Trump.
[00:44:39]  No.
[00:44:40]  Well, he also produced Liz Cheney, which people like Rachel Maddow like.
[00:44:44]  Right, exactly.
[00:44:45]  And I mean, not fans.
[00:44:46]  And mark my words, if you haven't seen it already, you're going to see this with MTG as well.
[00:44:52]  The strange new respect.
[00:44:53]  I saw Chuck Todd, your favorite, talking about how, like, you know, the Chuck Todd cast.
[00:44:59]  I think they're up to 30 viewers now.
[00:45:03]  He linked to her statement today, which is very long and written, too, badly written, as if he was writing for Vanity Fair or something.
[00:45:11]  And he, what?
[00:45:14]  And he's like, you know, read every word.
[00:45:16]  This is an important American statement.
[00:45:17]  It's like, dude, MTG, Chuck Todd, and Dick Cheney, I think it was the same thing.
[00:45:22]  Like, he didn't modify his views at all, but he became this effective person for this thing that media people cared about.
[00:45:31]  Let's move back to looking forward.
[00:45:34]  A lot of the left now arguing Trump is a lame duck.
[00:45:37]  I think it's wishful thinking.
[00:45:39]  I don't think Trump will ever be a lame duck.
[00:45:42]  I don't think those rules apply to him.
[00:45:44]  Not in his mind, no.
[00:45:45]  He's right.
[00:45:46]  Like, he's not like Barack Obama rode off into the sunset and is now just dealing with his mess of a wife.
[00:45:55]  Good luck, brother.
[00:45:57]  George Bush, I think, genuinely wanted privacy after he left the presidency.
[00:46:01]  He and Laura were classy and went and didn't attack the people.
[00:46:05]  They came after them, and they're leading a private life now.
[00:46:07]  A lot of great paintings.
[00:46:08]  Let's not forget that.
[00:46:09]  A lot of great paintings.
[00:46:09]  I love it.
[00:46:10]  He actually really is talented.
[00:46:13]  Clinton does his grift on the Clinton initiative and all that.
[00:46:16]  Yeah, we all know his criminal wife is doing her thing.
[00:46:20]  And now they've got their loser daughter who's really never done anything lecturing us on how Maha sucks.
[00:46:26]  Imagine making that your cause.
[00:46:27]  Like, no, I don't want to make America healthy again.
[00:46:30]  I don't want any questions about vaccines or anything else.
[00:46:33]  I'm just going to status quo.
[00:46:34]  Kids are doing great.
[00:46:35]  That's going to be my thing.
[00:46:37]  Chelsea's technical book?
[00:46:38]  Yes, she is.
[00:46:39]  I don't get my Google alerts for Chelsea Clinton anymore.
[00:46:42]  But my point is, Trump's not going to do that.
[00:46:45]  Trump, his whole, his oxygen is attention and celebrity, and he'll live post-presidency the way he lived pre-presidency.
[00:46:52]  And do you think he's going to be shy about going after Republican politicians who crossed him while he was president about using his bully pulpit to actually bully people when he's post-president?
[00:47:04]  He won't.
[00:47:05]  He's going to use it, and they are going to be afraid of him, especially if we have a JD Vance president.
[00:47:09]  You don't have to be the president.
[00:47:12]  Got some JD Vance fans here.
[00:47:14]  Yeah, I don't know what he's doing.
[00:47:15]  48, also known as.
[00:47:19]  Yeah.
[00:47:20]  I don't know.
[00:47:20]  What's happening?
[00:47:21]  I heard somebody behind me.
[00:47:23]  No, you don't have to be the president to say that person should be primaried and have people act on it.
[00:47:30]  Like, he's not, you're absolutely right about this.
[00:47:32]  He's not going to back down.
[00:47:34]  And why would he?
[00:47:35]  In the second you walk out of office, you're not denuded of power.
[00:47:39]  People like him for reasons.
[00:47:40]  Not just because they're scared of him.
[00:47:41]  It's not just because they're like, okay, we're waiting for him to ride off in the sunset.
[00:47:45]  He has like fundamentally remade the party.
[00:47:47]  In those years when Joe Biden was president, that was his party still.
[00:47:53]  He was not in the White House.
[00:47:54]  That was his party.
[00:47:55]  It has been his party.
[00:47:56]  And it's going to be his party for better or for worse.
[00:47:59]  I mean, for like libertarian types like us, who love free market economics and things like that, that part sucks.
[00:48:06]  Yes, we are friends and roommates now.
[00:48:10]  They're all denominations of us.
[00:48:13]  Steal?
[00:48:16]  Sorry.
[00:48:17]  Sorry.
[00:48:18]  But yeah, I don't think that's going to end.
[00:48:20]  And it doesn't just disappear in the libertarians come back and the Cato Institute come back.
[00:48:25]  Come back.
[00:48:25]  No, I mean, there never.
[00:48:28]  Assumes facts.
[00:48:28]  No, there was one election where the Libertarian Party got 0.1% of the vote.
[00:48:33]  Right on.
[00:48:34]  Very uplifting.
[00:48:36]  I think that if they lose as big in the midterms, he has less power.
[00:48:39]  But I think you are right.
[00:48:40]  He is the most consequential figure in American politics in the last 35 years.
[00:48:45]  And it's not close.
[00:48:46]  Like he has, whatever America was doing between World War II and the Cold War, which is basically the Cold War, was an important task.
[00:48:55]  And then afterwards, when we finished the task, Americans are like, cool, so we're done, right?
[00:49:00]  And no politician answered that question.
[00:49:03]  He's the first one to really try and to achieve prominent office to try to answer that question.
[00:49:09]  I don't like the way he answers that question sometimes.
[00:49:11]  Sometimes I do like the way he answers that question.
[00:49:13]  But he recognizes that that's a thing.
[00:49:16]  And the old world, it's like they had literal zombie as a president for the last four years.
[00:49:21]  They're just wheeling him around.
[00:49:22]  They don't know who he is.
[00:49:24]  He didn't know who he is.
[00:49:25]  He didn't know who he was.
[00:49:27]  So that's going to, that power is going to stay with him, I think.
[00:49:31]  He will continue to be energetic.
[00:49:32]  What I find the most interesting question is who actually steps in to fill the void when Donald Trump is no longer the most important man in our politics.
[00:49:42]  And that's part of all the squabbling right now, too.
[00:49:44]  Let's make it a bit more.
[00:49:44]  Oh, 100% within the Republican Party.
[00:49:46]  It's shocking for the position of who comes next.
[00:49:49]  Absolutely.
[00:49:49]  That's part of it.
[00:49:50]  I totally agree with that.
[00:49:51]  And it's like, now it's at the podcaster level, but it's going to go up to the presidential level very soon.
[00:49:57]  But, yeah, people are practicing for, you know, is it going to be J.D.?
[00:50:00]  And I don't even know if, like, Marco is going to be the appealing candidate he would have been four years ago to the...
[00:50:08]  Ted Cruz is thirsty.
[00:50:11]  Yeah.
[00:50:12]  He is.
[00:50:13]  I'm not saying I'm giving him water, but like he just said his name.
[00:50:18]  It's all right.
[00:50:19]  Don't get mad at him.
[00:50:20]  He is thirsty.
[00:50:21]  I mean, like all these people have run for president so many times.
[00:50:24]  Like I've been cross-examining Ted Cruz and his presidential debates since I was like 14.
[00:50:28]  There you go.
[00:50:29]  Like, don't you at some point say, I guess they don't want me?
[00:50:32]  I don't know.
[00:50:32]  I think you had your shot.
[00:50:34]  You took it.
[00:50:35]  You missed it again and again and again.
[00:50:37]  We need some new blood going in there.
[00:50:39]  And that new blood, I think, is now 41 years old and married to a woman named Usha.
[00:50:43]  Yes.
[00:50:44]  Probably right.
[00:50:46]  All right, guys, I got to wrap it up.
[00:50:47]  It's wonderful having you.
[00:50:48]  You're doing two hours?
[00:50:49]  Good luck with your roommate in California, and thank you all for everything.
[00:50:54]  Thank you, Megan.
[00:50:55]  Thank you, Megan.
[00:50:56]  Thank you.
[00:50:56]  Aren't they amazing?
[00:51:12]  They're fun, aren't they?
[00:51:14]  You always learn something from our pals at the fifth column.
[00:51:17]  You always have some laughs, right?
[00:51:20]  One of you gained a roommate.
[00:51:22]  We're really coming together tonight.
[00:51:25]  All right, we're moving around our chairs because we're gonna bring out our next guest.
[00:51:29]  Yeah, yeah, just leave him on the chair.
[00:51:30]  It's fine.
[00:51:32]  Anyway, um, Maureen's coming, but not yet.
[00:51:37]  My next guest is somebody who shot to Superstardom on an NBC show called The Biggest Loser.

=== Concerns Over Tribalism Rising (14:41) ===

[00:51:47]  She quickly became the breakout star of that show because she was fearless, she was no nonsense, she was all about the tough love.
[00:51:56]  She got shit done.
[00:51:58]  And for me personally, watching Jillian Michaels transform from a California Democrat who wasn't necessarily political, but like your normal California Democrat, into somebody who has clearly been red-billed has been a thing of beauty.
[00:52:15]  And I really think I've heard Jillian say this, but like if you look at her, the demo around her, and like, you know, she's a lesbian, she's married to a woman, she's got kids who are diverse.
[00:52:29]  If California is too radical for her, if the Democrat Party is too radical for her, they're doing something wrong.
[00:52:38]  Something really wrong.
[00:52:39]  She needs no introduction, but we're going to give her one anyway, Jillian Michaels, and then we'll bring her out.
[00:52:45]  Throughout history, what's the first freedom tyrants try to silence?
[00:52:49]  Religious liberty.
[00:52:50]  Because when your rights come from God, not government, they cannot be taken away.
[00:52:54]  You lose this freedom, you lose America.
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[00:54:18]  We have a lot in common.
[00:54:20]  We were both heavy girls.
[00:54:22]  I found out the hard way from kids at school.
[00:54:24]  Kids will always make you aware.
[00:54:26]  And you were bullied.
[00:54:27]  I was bullied, I think, for a host of reasons.
[00:54:31]  I was gay and didn't know I was gay.
[00:54:33]  Huge nose and terrible skin and braces.
[00:54:36]  Not a glamorous period in my life.
[00:54:38]  The root out of that was eventually fitness.
[00:54:41]  When somebody feels stronger physically, they feel stronger in every facet of their lives.
[00:54:46]  Get your ass on the treadmill now.
[00:54:50]  We got Jillian Michaels back in the gym.
[00:54:53]  I don't give a f what you think of me.
[00:54:55]  That needs to hurt.
[00:54:57]  This is going to go on for hours, every day.
[00:55:00]  I love Jillian.
[00:55:01]  She's coming out of her like liberal bubble.
[00:55:03]  Over the past few years, she's really started to get it.
[00:55:05]  Like, wait a minute, I think I've been really misled by my side.
[00:55:08]  Keeping it real, but Jillian Michaels.
[00:55:11]  I feel myself being less neutral.
[00:55:14]  Every single thing is like, oh, no, no, no, this is all because white people bad.
[00:55:20]  And that's just not the truth.
[00:55:23]  Like, for example, every single exhibit, I have a list of every single one.
[00:55:28]  We don't have time to litigate that.
[00:55:29]  Of course, we don't, because then I do the argument.
[00:55:32]  And everything is racialized, just like you're trying to do to me now.
[00:55:35]  Of course, the left is like, oh, she's a racist.
[00:55:38]  Having a white son and a black daughter is really distressing to me.
[00:55:43]  I want my daughter to know that not all white people are bad.
[00:55:46]  Sorry, that's important to me.
[00:55:48]  You said those who are making the case that there's no difference between transgender women and biological women are deranged.
[00:55:54]  Anybody with a pair of eyes knows that men have better athleticism since the inception of humanity.
[00:56:02]  Don Lemon does not like women.
[00:56:04]  In particular, strong women.
[00:56:06]  You're a fing morrow, dude.
[00:56:07]  Everyone knows Megan Kelly is hot.
[00:56:10]  There is a reason that Shirley's Theron played her in the movie.
[00:56:14]  Don Lemon is a miserable individual, and he puts that on display weekly.
[00:56:41]  I love that.
[00:56:43]  That was a fantastic compilation, I must admit.
[00:56:47]  That last bit with the Don Laman.
[00:56:50]  The Megan Kelly's hot bit.
[00:56:51]  I love that so much.
[00:56:54]  I love that because, you know, we've been talking about tonight about how there's like a fracturing on the right and it feels uncomfortable.
[00:57:01]  None of us really likes it at all.
[00:57:03]  But like, there's so much more of that where people who are on team sanity actually do have each other's back and we don't actually allow bullshit attacks on our people.
[00:57:13]  And we realize who we are fighting.
[00:57:15]  It's lunatics like that.
[00:57:17]  That's exactly right.
[00:57:18]  I think that all the time.
[00:57:19]  And you have had my back, actually, in some of the worst moments.
[00:57:24]  Some of the moments that were the most controversial, in particular, like that CNN moment.
[00:57:29]  And I'll never forget, I was just thinking, like, oh my God, this is it.
[00:57:32]  I'm a white nationalist now.
[00:57:34]  Like, it's all over.
[00:57:36]  And thank you.
[00:57:38]  And someone sent me a clip of you saying, I've watched Jillian's transformation, talking about it.
[00:57:43]  And you go, she's awesome.
[00:57:45]  And it meant everything to me in that moment.
[00:57:47]  And it did.
[00:57:50]  And from that point, I was like, I swear to God, I will go to war with this woman.
[00:57:54]  I love that.
[00:57:55]  I feel the same because when you're getting attacked universally online, you have to get used to it when you're in our business.
[00:58:02]  But you notice the ones who don't join in and you never forget the ones who actually say something on your behalf.
[00:58:08]  That's so true.
[00:58:09]  100%.
[00:58:10]  Absolutely.
[00:58:11]  And they sit quietly in the corner.
[00:58:13]  And it's like, what are we fighting for?
[00:58:15]  I know.
[00:58:16]  Like, who are the real enemies?
[00:58:18]  Like, this whole tour has had a paw, but it's had the memory, the thought of Charlie over it in both a very positive way, like an inspirational way, but also, you know, there's something obviously deeply sad about not having him here.
[00:58:37]  He was supposed to be with us last night in Bakersfield.
[00:58:40]  And the whole tour, we've talked about this rift within the right.
[00:58:43]  We had Tucker, then we had Ben.
[00:58:46]  And all I keep thinking to myself is, the other side is literally killing us.
[00:58:51]  Can we please keep our eye on the ball?
[00:58:53]  Like, that's who the enemy is.
[00:58:55]  The enemy is the radical left that is radicalizing young men so much to the point where they feel they had no other options but to start killing us.
[00:59:05]  That's the problem.
[00:59:06]  Let's keep our eyes on that one.
[00:59:10]  I agree, but I would warn, and I know this is not a popular position, and I appreciate, I think you and I both want the same thing.
[00:59:20]  We want, honestly, to never have Gavin Newsom be president.
[00:59:24]  Let's just, I like, oh my God.
[00:59:28]  They're like, hello, California, you know what I mean.
[00:59:31]  And my concern, your concern is we have to hold everyone together to get there.
[00:59:36]  My concern is that people who are a bit more moderate are deeply alarmed by Nick Fuentes.
[00:59:42]  And he's not part of the coalition.
[00:59:44]  And that's what I think needs to be said.
[00:59:47]  As often as possible, this is not what it means to be a conservative.
[00:59:51]  No, it isn't.
[00:59:55]  He's here.
[00:59:56]  God, he's powerful.
[01:00:00]  Well done.
[01:00:00]  Well played, sir.
[01:00:03]  No, he's not.
[01:00:04]  He's definitely not.
[01:00:05]  I mean, look, we've always had fringy, weird people who are popular and because I say really crazy.
[01:00:10]  And in his case, like genuinely, and I, trust me, I do not throw this word around because I've been called this word and all the other words.
[01:00:17]  But truly, he says very racist stuff.
[01:00:19]  He uses the N-word, you know, he uses all the most derogatory slurs for people.
[01:00:24]  It's like, this is, he's a very fringy person.
[01:00:28]  But I also understand the interest in him because he's a compelling messenger when he's not saying those things.
[01:00:33]  And because really what's most interesting about him is why he's popular.
[01:00:39]  Like the disaffected young men who are gravitating that way.
[01:00:41]  That's what's most interesting.
[01:00:42]  That's exactly what I was fighting about on CNN, is that if you continue to demonize these young boys, they are going to lean into that.
[01:00:53]  They are vomiting on your woke ideology.
[01:00:57]  And you are creating an entire generation of racists.
[01:01:01]  You are forcing them into tribalism.
[01:01:03]  This is what is so galling, so galling, watching the leftists talk about Nick Fuentes, like he's a right-wing problem.
[01:01:12]  Like he was created by right-wingers and all of his followers now, those were created by right-wingers.
[01:01:17]  That's not at all what happened.
[01:01:19]  The left has been demonizing young boys, in particular white boys, for 15 plus years now.
[01:01:27]  They get blamed for literally everything.
[01:01:30]  They have to go to school and sit through Black History Month and Women's History Month and Pride Month.
[01:01:36]  And all the while they're told that they're to blame for everything.
[01:01:38]  And then when it's time to apply for colleges, they're told, you're not getting in.
[01:01:41]  You're white.
[01:01:42]  We don't take whites.
[01:01:43]  It's basically what all these schools are saying.
[01:01:45]  They get told they're toxically masculine by the same women they had to celebrate for all the months in high school.
[01:01:50]  They get out and they're disaffected.
[01:01:52]  They're pissed.
[01:01:53]  They're angry.
[01:01:54]  And he's giving a voice to it.
[01:01:57]  What's so devastating is that you bring up Charlie and Charlie was clearly the bulwark to this kind of crazy.
[01:02:05]  And that, God, he's so missed.
[01:02:08]  He's so missed in our household.
[01:02:11]  My son loved him.
[01:02:13]  And they met, right?
[01:02:16]  So I actually didn't really know about Charlie.
[01:02:20]  And, you know, my son had been listening to him.
[01:02:23]  And of course, I started to hear like, oh, he's a racist.
[01:02:26]  Oh, and he's, you know, he's a misogynist.
[01:02:27]  And I thought, like, I should maybe just, you know, why don't I just want to sit here and just watch one of these videos with you, honey?
[01:02:34]  And we began watching Charlie Kirk together.
[01:02:37]  And we would laugh hysterically and video after video after reel.
[01:02:41]  And I thought, like, this guy's lovely.
[01:02:44]  He loves his wife.
[01:02:45]  He loves his kids.
[01:02:46]  He talks about being chivalrous on a date.
[01:02:49]  He speaks to everyone.
[01:02:51]  He works to bridge ideologies.
[01:02:53]  Like, I got rap music that's the most disgusting shit I have ever heard about women.
[01:03:00]  And then there's this guy telling my son how to behave like a gentleman.
[01:03:06]  Yes, please.
[01:03:07]  And it's just, he's so missed.
[01:03:10]  I know.
[01:03:10]  He's missed.
[01:03:12]  It's one of the things I want to talk to Erica about tomorrow, about Charlie and his advice for young men in particular on the dating front.
[01:03:19]  And I wonder whether she's going to pick up that mantle.
[01:03:21]  You know, I wonder whether that's something she can do.
[01:03:24]  Anyway, that's happening 24 hours from now.
[01:03:27]  It's pretty incredible.
[01:03:28]  One of the things I've been watching you speak out more and more about, we had some of it in that clip, is the men and women's sports thing and the men in women's spaces thing.
[01:03:36]  Yeah.
[01:03:37]  And I got one for you.
[01:03:39]  I got one.
[01:03:40]  I can't believe we're actually talking about this.
[01:03:41]  Yeah.
[01:03:42]  I get into these conversations.
[01:03:43]  It's like, you know, the Olympics is doing a new study to see if men are stronger than women.
[01:03:51]  I'm like, get the fuck out.
[01:03:53]  Right?
[01:03:53]  Really?
[01:03:54]  Oh my God, what do you think they're going to find?
[01:03:56]  They've been the best scientists in the world.
[01:03:58]  That's crazy.
[01:03:59]  I just cannot believe we're talking about this, but I'm here for it.
[01:04:02]  So you know on that fight, it's two steps, one step forward, two steps backward.
[01:04:05]  You know, like we make progress and then we get drawn back.
[01:04:07]  And that leads me to, do you guys remember?
[01:04:10]  Do you remember, you know, the name Kayla Lemieux?
[01:04:14]  Yeah, a couple of you know it.
[01:04:16]  Do you remember the Canadian shop teacher?
[01:04:19]  Now you're starting to get it.
[01:04:23]  Right?
[01:04:24]  A Canadian shop teacher who is male.
[01:04:26]  Is this the Maryland teacher?
[01:04:27]  Yes, yes.
[01:04:28]  Okay, I'm for sure going to jail because of you because I'd never heard of this and was Googling like, man, boobs, ninth graders.
[01:04:37]  The FBI is showing up tonight at my door.
[01:04:39]  You'll be there with my producers.
[01:04:40]  You're good.
[01:04:42]  There's another one.
[01:04:43]  That's the setup.
[01:04:44]  So there's another Kayla Lemieux.
[01:04:46]  Only this one's ours.
[01:04:48]  He's American.
[01:04:49]  And he's teaching ninth graders in Baltimore, Maryland.
[01:04:53]  And he is showing up like this.
[01:04:57]  Watch this video.
[01:05:01]  When the storm come on, let me see you get gone.
[01:05:04]  Baby mama, this shit been pregnant for way too long.
[01:05:10]  I can't believe you're getting so worked up about some guy.
[01:05:15]  This one is different.
[01:05:15]  He's honest and he's sweet.
[01:05:17]  He would never do anything to hurt me.
[01:05:19]  He's a guy.
[01:05:20]  Besides, oh, oneness, you can't beat him.
[01:05:24]  He has no weaknesses.
[01:05:26]  He's gonna.
[01:05:28]  I think he does make a true love.
[01:05:34]  He does.
[01:05:37]  OMG.
[01:05:38]  This is broken by Libs of TikTok, Chaya Ratchet.
[01:05:43]  And also picked up by Revolve News.
[01:05:45]  This is deeply disturbing.
[01:05:47]  This is still going on in our schools in Baltimore, Maryland.
[01:05:50]  These kids have to walk in and see.
[01:05:53]  I'm not sure about the pregnancy prosthetic, but those breasts, his official school photo has those enormous fake breasts in it.
[01:06:00]  Look at this.
[01:06:02]  What would you do if this were your son's teacher or daughter's?
[01:06:08]  I would pull him out.
[01:06:10]  I would definitely pull him out.
[01:06:12]  I would like to see some of the Jillian Michaels from The Biggest Loser deal with that person.
[01:06:16]  I actually already have had to deal with the principal over two issues this year.
[01:06:20]  Not one like this, but one where the kids were celebrating Charlie dying.
[01:06:26]  My kids were devastated.
[01:06:27]  And my daughter's like, I can't believe this is happening.

=== Joy Reed on Gender Issues (12:15) ===

[01:06:29]  I had to pull them out of school for days because they're like, they're conservative kids.
[01:06:35]  And my daughter's like, I'm like, honey, are you okay?
[01:06:38]  She's like, no, mom, of course I'm not okay.
[01:06:41]  And it's like these schools are allowing this crazy.
[01:06:44]  I don't care what this weirdo does.
[01:06:45]  I'm sorry.
[01:06:46]  I don't care what this person does in their bedroom.
[01:06:50]  But the fact that the schools are allowing this kind of crazy.
[01:06:55]  Can you imagine if you and I just showed up to teach ninth grade and started talking about our sexual fetishes?
[01:07:00]  Not that I have any.
[01:07:01]  I don't, of course.
[01:07:02]  But can you imagine?
[01:07:03]  Like just as a straight person or as a person who's seemingly more normal, we would be thrown out of there in a second.
[01:07:11]  And instead, we're having to fight with crap like this.
[01:07:13]  I had one teacher go after my son for my political beliefs.
[01:07:18]  What?
[01:07:18]  And I will throw that kid to the wolves.
[01:07:20]  I'm like, listen, you got to fight your own fight.
[01:07:22]  But this is my fight that this bastard was taking up with my son.
[01:07:26]  What was he doing?
[01:07:28]  My son was writing down some issues and concerns that they asked him to express with regard to California politics.
[01:07:39]  He's like, how much time?
[01:07:40]  I got a lot to say.
[01:07:42]  And the teacher's like, well, someone has clearly been brainwashed by their parents.
[01:07:46]  Whoa.
[01:07:47]  And he came home and he thought it was like he could handle it, but you could tell he was irked.
[01:07:53]  And then this guy started penalizing him and being punitive and making him.
[01:07:58]  So he ended up in a debate with a girl about being transgender.
[01:08:04]  And she was saying, you know, trans women are women.
[01:08:07]  And he goes, so if I cut off my testicles and my penis, I'm a girl tomorrow.
[01:08:13]  And the guy punished him and sat him out of sports.
[01:08:16]  And I called the principal and I'm like, I'm confused.
[01:08:18]  Either you're allowing these debates in school or you're not, but you've penalized my son for his position.
[01:08:28]  What other words would you like him to use to engage in this debate?
[01:08:31]  Like this kind of crazy in school is rampant.
[01:08:35]  Do you live in Orange County?
[01:08:37]  No.
[01:08:37]  Okay, that's your problem.
[01:08:38]  Yeah, I know.
[01:08:40]  I know.
[01:08:43]  Have you guys had any of this with teachers?
[01:08:46]  Our poor friend who's on the school board is fighting these fights every day now.
[01:08:50]  I mean, we've had this many, many times in New York.
[01:08:53]  And of course, we now famously left New York City because the teachers were so insane.
[01:08:58]  But I mean, that's true insanity.
[01:09:00]  And not only is that insanity what we saw up there, it is a sexual fetish that he's working out on children.
[01:09:08]  I like, I see that.
[01:09:09]  I'm like, I don't even, I don't want to call the principal.
[01:09:12]  I want to call the police.
[01:09:14]  Like, think about it.
[01:09:15]  If a man came into school, a male teacher came into school, an actual male teacher, and wore skin-tight shorts so tight you could see everything.
[01:09:25]  That's what you do.
[01:09:27]  You would think about calling the police out of school.
[01:09:29]  Of course you would.
[01:09:30]  How is this any different?
[01:09:30]  This is so much grosser.
[01:09:32]  But what's crazy is that the stray teacher would be thrown out of school because nobody would worry about being called transphobic.
[01:09:40]  Yeah, that's right.
[01:09:41]  And so it's these pejoratives that they utilize to silence people.
[01:09:48]  You have to be willing to, honestly, to get up on that cross because you will pay a price.
[01:09:55]  You know it.
[01:09:55]  I know it.
[01:09:56]  You pay a price for calling this out.
[01:09:58]  Yes.
[01:09:58]  Did you see, though, we now have a new friend?
[01:10:02]  Yes.
[01:10:02]  In Joy Reed?
[01:10:04]  Yes.
[01:10:04]  Yes.
[01:10:05]  We're feeling really good about Joy Reed now.
[01:10:09]  I mean, I'm stunned to tell you I'm actually being sincere.
[01:10:14]  She came out.
[01:10:15]  We'll roll the soundbite.
[01:10:16]  We played it the other day, but here's Joy Reed on this poor woman, Tish Hyman, who got thrown out of the Gold's Gym right here.
[01:10:24]  Who got thrown out of the Gold's Gym because she objected to a man being in the women's locker room watching.
[01:10:29]  I would be disturbed.
[01:10:30]  I'm telling you, I would be alarmed.
[01:10:32]  I'm alarmed enough when I see a woman with her dangling boobies.
[01:10:37]  If I saw a penis in the ladies' locker room, I would freak out too.
[01:10:44]  This is just, I mean, this is nothing against trans anybody.
[01:10:47]  What it's saying is if I turn around and I see a peepee, a penis in front of me inside of the room, I would probably go to management and say, wait a minute, why is there somebody, a naked man in this room?
[01:11:00]  Because just the world we live in, just from a safety standpoint, and just from a, you know, from a privacy standpoint, I would, so I can see why she would have gone and reported to management.
[01:11:11]  There's a man naked in the band.
[01:11:14]  Now, if they clarified and they said, well, trans, okay, but I think they should take her concerns also seriously.
[01:11:21]  Because if she's uncomfortable, does she not have the right to be at least uncomfortable with this situation?
[01:11:27]  Is what I'm saying.
[01:11:27]  Yeah.
[01:11:29]  I just want to say, you're welcome.
[01:11:34]  Because truly, I'm thrilled to have her join the fight.
[01:11:37]  I agree.
[01:11:38]  The reason she joined the fight is because you joined the fight and I joined the fight and you joined the fight and we made her join the fight.
[01:11:46]  Tish Hyman made her join the fight.
[01:11:49]  Great.
[01:11:50]  Better late than never because it's her side that's the problem.
[01:11:53]  And they're much more likely to listen to her than they are to us.
[01:11:56]  I, you know, I had to really stop and think about my feelings on this.
[01:12:02]  And I thought, like, Jillian, if you really want what's best and you celebrate this, you commend her, you give her her flowers.
[01:12:09]  And that's what, that's what we're doing.
[01:12:11]  Good for you, Joy Reed.
[01:12:13]  Thanks for joining in.
[01:12:14]  And tomorrow she'll be ripping on our white woman too.
[01:12:17]  Yeah, no, there's fine.
[01:12:18]  This woman single-handedly pushed every liberal I know out of MSNBC.
[01:12:23]  That's how intense she is.
[01:12:26]  I mean, she's, okay, she's going to help us on this issue now.
[01:12:29]  But back to our other issue, there's no one more responsible for those messages about young white men than Joy Reed.
[01:12:35]  I mean, she's not forgiven for all of that.
[01:12:37]  I mean, she's never seen a white person that she doesn't like, unless, I guess there's a couple, like the Nicole Wallace's of the world, the women who will genuflect when they see the Joy Reeds of the world.
[01:12:48]  Like, they kiss up to her, they tell her how smart she is, they pretend her Harvard degree is real.
[01:12:54]  Those are the, she likes those folks.
[01:12:57]  But if we're going to win on the women's sports issue and the women's rights issue, we're going to need the Joy Reeds of the world.
[01:13:02]  We're going to need everybody because you still have massive insanity here in California and other states just like it.
[01:13:07]  You're completely right.
[01:13:08]  And I think about how I probably was a Joy Reed kind of character to people like yourself.
[01:13:16]  And when I started to come around, you guys opened the door.
[01:13:19]  You engaged me in conversation.
[01:13:20]  You were gracious.
[01:13:21]  You didn't beat me over the head and be like, you dumbass.
[01:13:24]  We told you for all these years.
[01:13:25]  That didn't happen.
[01:13:26]  And so I would like to try and be as gracious and say thanks for contributing on this issue.
[01:13:33]  So tonight in the audience is a friend of mine named Carrie Prajan Bowler.
[01:13:38]  And yes, she's former beauty queen.
[01:13:42]  You may remember her as Carrie Prajan.
[01:13:43]  She's been married for a while now.
[01:13:45]  And she and Britt Mayer would come on my show together, two Californians, when we were first launching, like 2021.
[01:13:53]  This is before I was really getting serious about this issue.
[01:13:57]  And they talked about this issue in terms I was like, oh my God, they would not use preferred pronouns.
[01:14:03]  You know, they were like hardcore.
[01:14:06]  And we went from me being like, wow, they're tough, to me being like, oh, my God, they're my teachers.
[01:14:12]  And they, same.
[01:14:14]  They were that way with me.
[01:14:16]  They were kind, they were gentle, but they stood up for their principles.
[01:14:18]  And they were two of my mentors in pulling me along on this issue.
[01:14:22]  And so I do feel the need to pay it forward to others because I think some people use it against you.
[01:14:27]  Like there was a video circulating online recently about me at NBC, like talking to kids who said they were trans and being, you know, kind and loving and supportive.
[01:14:39]  I wouldn't be anything other than kind and loving to so-called trans kids, which I don't believe is a thing now, today, but I wouldn't have messaged it anywhere near the way I did at NBC.
[01:14:49]  But I think we have to have room in our hearts for people who have come along on this because it used to be a minuscule number who we believed were genuinely gender confused, genuinely had dysphoria.
[01:15:01]  And now we know it's a social contagion that's being exploited by people who want to make money off of sterilizing our children.
[01:15:09]  That's it.
[01:15:09]  It's a multi-billion dollar industry.
[01:15:13]  You know who speaks brilliantly about this is actually a gentleman named Chris Moritz, who had a great episode with Tucker on this that I encourage you to watch.
[01:15:22]  And he takes you all the way down the rabbit hole.
[01:15:25]  And it's terrifying stuff.
[01:15:27]  I could give you an example.
[01:15:30]  There is something, the human rights campaign, who I, oh my God, I used to donate to.
[01:15:35]  I spoke at the freaking dinners.
[01:15:38]  I was trying to get, I was fighting for gay marriage and things have changed.
[01:15:43]  And we've crossed that finish line quite some time ago and now we're here.
[01:15:47]  So the human rights campaign has something called an HEI score.
[01:15:52]  So a health equity index score that they give to medical institutions like Johns Hopkins, for example.
[01:15:59]  And if you get a bad score, if you don't provide ample gender access, gender affirming care, and it has to be perfect, everything has to be gender-affirming care for kids, the whole thing.
[01:16:12]  If you do anything wrong, if people question it, bad score.
[01:16:15]  The bad score costs them in grants and donations.
[01:16:19]  All of it, go to the page, H-E-I-Score, HRC's website, Pfizer, the bottom.
[01:16:26]  Oh, man.
[01:16:27]  All funded by Pfizer.
[01:16:28]  By the way, your comment reminded me, don't you think the LGB needs to break up with the TQ?
[01:16:34]  I don't really love the umbrella to begin with.
[01:16:36]  You got to remember, like, I am like a classic Gen Xer.
[01:16:42]  We wanted to get rid of labels.
[01:16:44]  It was supposed to be one race human.
[01:16:46]  Love is love.
[01:16:47]  I don't know how we got here.
[01:16:48]  Yeah.
[01:16:49]  I'll pass on the whole acronym.
[01:16:50]  Thanks.
[01:16:52]  One of my audience members tonight said to me backstage, she came to the VAP, she said, I want to thank you because she's a tall, beautiful woman, but she was like, I was always an athlete and they would have tried to trans me.
[01:17:04]  And it's true.
[01:17:05]  Like, they're not allowing any gender non-conformity, these lunatics on the left.
[01:17:09]  And I, too, was a tomboy, and you were a tomboy, and we were...
[01:17:12]  All of us did turn out to be gay.
[01:17:13]  They didn't trans me.
[01:17:16]  I'm straight, but they definitely would have tried to trans me because I look like a little boy.
[01:17:19]  I had little boy haircut.
[01:17:21]  I only wore dirty jeans.
[01:17:22]  I wanted to play in the mud.
[01:17:24]  Literally made mud pies every summer, all summer long.
[01:17:26]  Like I didn't want to dress.
[01:17:29]  And look at me now.
[01:17:31]  I have frills.
[01:17:32]  I mean, I never wear frills.
[01:17:34]  But I'm just saying, like, that's what's so sick about it, right?
[01:17:36]  They've been proceeding with abandon with this bizarre social experiment that makes them rich on our children.
[01:17:41]  So, I mean, that's a long way of saying, welcome, Joy Reed.
[01:17:49]  All right, we got to wrap it up, Jillian.
[01:17:50]  I love you so much.
[01:17:51]  Thank you for everything you've done.
[01:17:53]  Thank you for doing this tonight.
[01:17:57]  Jillian Michaels, everyone!
[01:18:01]  She's so fit.
[01:18:06]  Okay.
[01:18:08]  We have one more guest for you tonight.
[01:18:14]  So, I first was introduced to Maureen Callahan.
[01:18:19]  Yeah.
[01:18:20]  When I read her, I read her in the New York Post, and all I ever thought was, thank God she's not mad at me.
[01:18:30]  And I fell in love with her writing because she just had such a way of saying exactly what she thought, but you didn't know how to say it quite in the way that she could say it.
[01:18:38]  And I started putting her on the show, and at first she was a little shy, believe it or not.
[01:18:42]  She actually was a little shy.

=== Small Batch Farm Gifts (02:33) ===

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=== Bravery Behind Recent Articles (15:38) ===

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[01:22:06]  It's me, Megan Kelly.
[01:22:07]  I've got some exciting news.
[01:22:09]  I now have my very own channel on Sirius XM.
[01:22:12]  It's called the Megan Kelly channel and it is where you will hear the truth unfiltered with no agenda and no apologies.
[01:22:18]  Along with the Megan Kelly show, you're going to hear from people like Mark Halperin, Link Lauren, Maureen Callahan, Emily Jashinsky, Jesse Kelly, Real Clear Politics and many more.
[01:22:28]  It's bold, no BS news.
[01:22:30]  Only on the Megan Kelly channel, SiriusXM 111, and on the Sirius XM app.
[01:22:39]  I am a cultural criminal prosecutor.
[01:22:41]  We really are bringing to light the underbelly of celebrity culture.
[01:22:44]  We're a safe space for all travel breakers.
[01:22:47]  And dress like that has been taken out back and shot.
[01:22:51]  Gosh, that's not the way I thought this was going to go.
[01:22:53]  All those celebrities be fouling Venice to celebrate bullshit, in my opinion, allegedly, reportedly.
[01:23:01]  And someone in the back would hand that baby over.
[01:23:06]  She's the gift that keeps on giving.
[01:23:07]  She doesn't know it's comic relief, which kind of makes it even funnier.
[01:23:11]  The children of the community are the children of the community.
[01:23:17]  I've been dying to talk to you about Michelle Obama's ongoing midlife meltdown, her Stegosaurus hairdos.
[01:23:26]  We don't articulate our pain.
[01:23:29]  We all want to know what can we do to help you.
[01:23:33]  Do something.
[01:23:41]  That is a man who is fully emasculated, if you ask me.
[01:23:47]  You look amazing.
[01:23:49]  You look even cooler.
[01:23:51]  I'm doing something really generous for you.
[01:23:53]  And you're going to absolutely love them.
[01:23:55]  This, we're just going to put into a different bag.
[01:23:58]  And then I just dumped them.
[01:24:00]  Just like that.
[01:24:02]  Megan, you keep saying Megan Markle.
[01:24:04]  You know I'm Sussex now.
[01:24:05]  It's very important to me.
[01:24:07]  Sorry, sorry.
[01:24:07]  Sorry.
[01:24:08]  It's, you know, it's a lot.
[01:24:09]  I just, I can't absorb the enormity of your life.
[01:24:12]  I don't need, maybe you should put the drink down so you could pay better attention.
[01:24:16]  This is a window into the tiny little brain at work.
[01:24:20]  Nailed it.
[01:24:21]  What they would call a basic bitch.
[01:24:22]  Cheers, Meg.
[01:24:23]  Cheers, dear.
[01:24:28]  Taya Fey!
[01:24:30]  Have you been?
[01:24:31]  Have you been?
[01:24:32]  She's a shitty fucking excuse for a journalist.
[01:24:34]  She's no, she's no journalist, okay?
[01:24:37]  The nation indeed link the world is watching.
[01:24:40]  These women are under immense pressure.
[01:24:42]  They are up there with us.
[01:24:43]  Aldrin and other space travelers who have paved the way for- TAGA MAN!
[01:24:50]  Please don't call it a ride.
[01:24:52]  That is not a friggin' ride.
[01:24:53]  There was nothing frivolous about what we did.
[01:24:59]  Please help me welcome Maureen.
[01:25:23]  Live and in the flesh!
[01:25:26]  Hi.
[01:25:27]  How amazing was that?
[01:25:29]  I'm like crying.
[01:25:30]  I was like, I didn't, I don't even remember saying half of that shit.
[01:25:36]  You've definitely come out of your shell.
[01:25:38]  I, yeah, when you said when I started coming on, I was very shy.
[01:25:42]  I was so shy.
[01:25:43]  I was so, I don't know, you sort of teased something out of me.
[01:25:48]  Like, I think you saw a little bit of our share.
[01:25:52]  Like, we do have a shared perverse sense of humor for sure.
[01:25:57]  What a hundred.
[01:25:58]  When the Blonde Origin came on, Jillian was backstage.
[01:26:02]  I said, I forgot about that because we've done so much in so little time.
[01:26:07]  So many of them.
[01:26:07]  Yeah.
[01:26:08]  Well, it was your writing.
[01:26:09]  Your writing showed me who you were.
[01:26:11]  And then when you were on camera in the beginning, you had natural like nerves.
[01:26:14]  But it was clear to me who the person was.
[01:26:17]  And if you can just get past those nerves, I knew that person would start talking to me on the TV.
[01:26:21]  And that's exactly what happened.
[01:26:22]  And now you're in full flower, man.
[01:26:25]  It's the most fun.
[01:26:26]  The nerve is the most fun.
[01:26:29]  And I get to work it all out with so many of you like-minded people.
[01:26:34]  I didn't know there were so many out there.
[01:26:36]  Yes.
[01:26:38]  So, I mean, we might as well start with Megan Markle.
[01:26:44]  She's your problem now.
[01:26:46]  She lives with you.
[01:26:48]  True.
[01:26:49]  I should have actually, before you came on stage, said, like, the queen of mean, Maureen Gallagher.
[01:26:57]  And I want people to call me the monarch of media.
[01:27:02]  Megan Kelly.
[01:27:03]  We should not walk into any room without being announced because that's what the Duchess of Sussex would like.
[01:27:10]  Well, this was, this is too, like, when I read it, I thought this can't be real.
[01:27:14]  I actually read the paragraph over to make sure it was too good.
[01:27:19]  So she's got this journalist who is going to visit her at this borrowed Upper East Side townhouse.
[01:27:27]  And it doesn't say who owns the townhouse, but they're wealthy enough to have a glass elevator.
[01:27:32]  Not for nothing, it might be Amy Griffin.
[01:27:35]  Stop.
[01:27:36]  It might be.
[01:27:36]  She has a big townhouse on the Upper East Side, the one who wrote the tell that Maureen took down.
[01:27:42]  Yeah.
[01:27:42]  But in any man, keep going.
[01:27:44]  So the journalist shows up and knocks on the door, and some kind of house manager answers the door.
[01:27:51]  And Megan is nowhere to be seen, apparently, but she's in the house somewhere.
[01:27:56]  There's nobody else in the house.
[01:27:58]  And then the house manager says, Megan, Duchess of Sussex.
[01:28:04]  And it's so deep.
[01:28:06]  It's so unhinged.
[01:28:08]  It's like it's Norma Desmond on steroids.
[01:28:12]  Like, it's not even like Megan is the one arriving.
[01:28:16]  Right.
[01:28:16]  You would think she would.
[01:28:18]  She's already in the house.
[01:28:19]  But where are we coming from?
[01:28:21]  Like, the cupboard?
[01:28:23]  Like, the sofa?
[01:28:26]  Were we in the attic going through?
[01:28:28]  You know, it's, it's so, like, I was thinking it would be like going to your studio.
[01:28:33]  Normally when I go there, like, Abby's there, and that's it.
[01:28:36]  Yep.
[01:28:37]  And you're not even there yet half the time.
[01:28:39]  And it would be like her opening the door for me and going, Megan Kelly, queen of podcasting, with you nowhere to be seen.
[01:28:48]  Yeah.
[01:28:48]  Yeah.
[01:28:49]  I actually pulled her Harper's Bazaar article.
[01:28:53]  We talked about it the other day a little bit with Link, but I thought there was more gold to be mined here.
[01:28:59]  So I want to go through a couple of these quotes, okay?
[01:29:04]  You pointed this out on the nerve.
[01:29:06]  We didn't get to it.
[01:29:07]  Has there ever been an article written about Megan Markle that did not raise the 11-year-old little Megan Markle?
[01:29:16]  And you know what she did, Maureen.
[01:29:18]  Yes, she wrote a letter to a dish detergent company.
[01:29:25]  She was assailing the patriarchy.
[01:29:28]  This origin story bugs me like no other because she makes it sound like it was an auto-generated act of incipient feminism.
[01:29:37]  And really it was a class project.
[01:29:39]  Oh, it was?
[01:29:40]  Yeah, I didn't know that.
[01:29:41]  It was a class project.
[01:29:42]  And I would like to put out an open call just much as at the nerve we're looking for Stedman Graham.
[01:29:48]  I think he's buried somewhere on that estate in Montecito.
[01:29:53]  We have a silver alert out for him.
[01:29:58]  I would like anyone who went to school with Megan in sixth grade, like any of the boys especially who wrote that letter to, what was it, like Proctor Gamble?
[01:30:08]  Yep.
[01:30:09]  They managed to put that into every article about her because they want you to know how incredibly strong and brave she was, even at age 11.
[01:30:16]  And that winds up in this article as well.
[01:30:20]  The writer says, when I ask Megan what she hopes her kids see when they see her working, she tells me, I hope they see the value of being brave.
[01:30:31]  Sure.
[01:30:32]  Okay, but then here's the best part.
[01:30:33]  She follows it up with, They saw it when the jam was just a pot on the stove bubbling.
[01:30:41]  Like, what?
[01:30:43]  So she's courage because she boiled the jam and the children saw the jam boil, which is their in spo to be courageous.
[01:30:53]  I'm going to push back a little.
[01:30:55]  I want to give some credit for her bravery.
[01:30:58]  We talked about this like just last week on your show.
[01:31:01]  I nominate this for photo of the years.
[01:31:04]  I said to Megan, like, You can give me images of war tour in Ukraine, anything.
[01:31:10]  The image of a drunken Prince Harry leering at Chris Jenner's rack at her 70th birthday party while Megan stands there like an imbecile, just beaming at Chris while her loser husband is over here like, oh.
[01:31:29]  That's some bravery.
[01:31:30]  She's taking courageous back this week.
[01:31:32]  That actually was pretty courageous of her.
[01:31:35]  All right, wait, and I have one more.
[01:31:38]  This is bizarre.
[01:31:39]  This is the first time I've actually brought notes out to the stage on this tour, but this is just too good.
[01:31:43]  I have Maureen here.
[01:31:44]  I have Megan Markle and Harper's.
[01:31:46]  And what I have here is the weirdest comment about Harry.
[01:31:52]  She puts her hand on her heart when she talks about her husband.
[01:31:56]  Don't you all do that when you're talking about your husband?
[01:31:59]  I never, I don't go anywhere with it.
[01:32:01]  D. My D.
[01:32:04]  That sounds weird.
[01:32:05]  Sounds like pledging allegiance to your D.
[01:32:10]  Okay.
[01:32:10]  So she says, H, he loves me so boldly, fully.
[01:32:19]  And then she says, no one in the world loves me more than Harry.
[01:32:24]  Now that's a strange thing.
[01:32:26]  I'm sorry, but literally, think about it.
[01:32:27]  Just take a second to think about it.
[01:32:29]  Whoever talks about their spouse that way?
[01:32:31]  Like, have I, no one loves me more than Doug.
[01:32:35]  Who's ranking the love in their life?
[01:32:37]  And like, and the spouse is number one.
[01:32:39]  He's number one.
[01:32:40]  He loves me more than anybody.
[01:32:41]  Meanwhile, I don't think it's a stiff competition in Meghan Markle's life.
[01:32:45]  Oh, great point.
[01:32:46]  Great point.
[01:32:48]  It's also, it's evidence, A, that she's a terrible actress.
[01:32:53]  She's, you know, it's very literal.
[01:32:57]  And then she's always saying how much he loves her without ever saying how much she loves him.
[01:33:05]  That's her narcissism.
[01:33:07]  Right?
[01:33:07]  It's complete narcissism.
[01:33:09]  It's the same with the children.
[01:33:10]  Like the writing of the letters of the emails every night to both individually before bed, which is not happening, but she says, is so that when they get older, they can see how much she loved them.
[01:33:23]  And my prediction is they will both be leaving the continental United States as soon as they're of age, never to return.
[01:33:29]  Totally, especially when they find out they have whole castles that are available to them.
[01:33:33]  Multiple castles.
[01:33:34]  Now that Andrew's out of the picture, things have loosened up even more.
[01:33:37]  Hanging out with Tyler Perry.
[01:33:40]  With the King of England.
[01:33:42]  Okay, so she's the gift that keeps on giving.
[01:33:44]  Now, there are another couple of weirdos from California again.
[01:33:49]  I'm sorry.
[01:33:50]  That we need to get to that you and I have not yet had the chance to discuss.
[01:33:54]  And they are Ariana Grande and Cynthia Irivo, stars of Wicked.
[01:34:02]  Our whole night has turned into sort of an LGBTQ theme between Moynihan moving in with one of our audience members.
[01:34:07]  I couldn't tell if it was a man or woman.
[01:34:09]  And my discussion with Jillian.
[01:34:11]  And now you tell me whether these two are on an LGBTQ quest.
[01:34:16]  Because Cynthia is openly non-binary.
[01:34:20]  And she, there's no they, Cynthia, sorry, was on the cover of GQ, like the men's issue tracks.
[01:34:29]  Okay.
[01:34:30]  But something's going on between these two, and I don't know.
[01:34:33]  What is it?
[01:34:34]  Here's a little.
[01:34:35]  Today we get to do popular.
[01:34:37]  Can you believe it?
[01:34:40]  That's so great.
[01:34:41]  That joy he wanted to infuse in every frame.
[01:34:47]  Like he shook the arm too hard and she had to like caress it.
[01:34:51]  And then she was picking at the diamond necklace and they've basically been all over each other.
[01:34:56]  Oh yeah.
[01:34:57]  Have you seen the one of them on the red carpet where Ariana is doing an interview and she's fine?
[01:35:03]  And Cynthia Rivo, she take those long coffin nails, come in and she starts digging under Ariana's collar and very theatrically like moving the necklace around and it's you see these interviews with them and if I were conducting an interview like that, which I wouldn't be because it's not my trade anymore, but you know, I would say like, should I leave?
[01:35:27]  I realize this is like a press tour for your movie, but like it seems like you two would care to be alone.
[01:35:34]  I'd like to leave.
[01:35:35]  I'm uncomfortable.
[01:35:37]  They're so bizarre.
[01:35:38]  And I don't know whether this is a publicity thing, Laureen.
[01:35:41]  Do you think this is all?
[01:35:42]  I think it's kind of both.
[01:35:44]  I think it's weird.
[01:35:45]  I think it's like part of it is like they're getting a ton of clicks, like eyeballs or eyeballs.
[01:35:50]  It's kind of like Liam Neeson and Pam Anderson.
[01:35:54]  Is that fake?
[01:35:55]  That was fake.
[01:35:58]  I think she needs a little makeup.
[01:36:00]  I agree with you.
[01:36:02]  I agree with you.
[01:36:03]  This is my problem with Pam Anderson.
[01:36:05]  That is at least one facelift.
[01:36:09]  At least one facelift.
[01:36:11]  So you can't go around going like, I'm all natural and I'm showing you how to age without makeup when you've had probably a deep plain facelift.
[01:36:21]  Yeah.
[01:36:22]  How do you feel about the recent rejection of the body positivity movements, right?
[01:36:26]  That we're no longer celebrating fat.
[01:36:29]  We are admitting that thin is healthier and more attractive and makes you feel better, like Amy Schumer, who's now like at this moment scrubbing all the fat photos from her Instagram.
[01:36:39]  So we can only see the newly thin Amy Schumer.
[01:36:42]  Thanks a lot, say all the girls who pecked on the pounds thinking they'd be really happy like Amy Schumer and can't afford the Manjaro and the trainer and the new clothing and the chef and all the things Amy Schumer can have.

=== Rejecting Fake Body Positivity (07:07) ===

[01:36:56]  Do you know Amy's husband is a chef?
[01:37:01]  That worked out.
[01:37:04]  So I have several theories about Amy Schumer and the whole body positivity, like the abandonment of it.
[01:37:10]  So she has scrubbed all but four photos from Instagram.
[01:37:15]  And she's currently engaged in conducting private photo shoots at someone's house where she's doing the broken doll poses, which is like what the super skinny moms do.
[01:37:26]  And her kid is like basically in all manner of like life-threatening positions.
[01:37:31]  And she's just like, but I'm skinny.
[01:37:32]  I'm skinny.
[01:37:33]  Look at me.
[01:37:34]  I also think that, so she made a huge deal about her husband being autistic.
[01:37:41]  Did you know this?
[01:37:42]  Her husband's autistic?
[01:37:43]  No.
[01:37:44]  He's just an asshole.
[01:37:47]  But that was her very tortured explanation for why she was with this guy for years who she would say, do I look good?
[01:37:55]  And he would say, no.
[01:37:58]  Well, he's autistic.
[01:37:59]  He's on the spectrum, Megan.
[01:38:01]  Yeah.
[01:38:02]  That explains it.
[01:38:03]  Yeah.
[01:38:05]  I'm a little over the body positivity thing, I have to say, the fake body positivity, because that's what we're realizing.
[01:38:09]  It was all fake.
[01:38:10]  They never believed it.
[01:38:12]  All they really wanted was Ozempic.
[01:38:14]  As soon as it was available, they all ran on it.
[01:38:16]  And now, I mean, at least she admits it.
[01:38:18]  I think, you know, a lot of these people like want you to believe like the Jennifer Aniston.
[01:38:21]  It's just water.
[01:38:22]  It's my just water.
[01:38:23]  I just drink a lot of water.
[01:38:24]  That's it.
[01:38:28]  Lizzo was the same way.
[01:38:30]  Lizzo.
[01:38:31]  Oh.
[01:38:33]  You know, who was like very, it was almost a militant stance, and now she's lost half her body weight too.
[01:38:39]  Totally.
[01:38:39]  What about all the fat people they left behind?
[01:38:43]  Where's Oprah in this fight?
[01:38:44]  Where is Oprah?
[01:38:46]  Well, fresh dirt on Stedman's grave in Montesito.
[01:38:49]  That's where she is.
[01:38:50]  I think we know where she is.
[01:38:51]  Yeah.
[01:38:52]  Now I've seen you taking aim lately at Sarah Jessica Parker.
[01:38:56]  Indeed.
[01:38:57]  And not only for her terrible program, Sex in the City Reboot.
[01:39:01]  Indeed.
[01:39:02]  But you've got some questions about whether she's authentic, Maureen, and whether she does things like actually wears the beats' heads bones up on the subway in New York.
[01:39:13]  You thought that might be, as the kids say, inauthentic.
[01:39:16]  Inauthentic.
[01:39:17]  Here she is.
[01:39:19]  Oh, yeah.
[01:39:20]  There she is.
[01:39:22]  She's just stars.
[01:39:23]  They're just like us.
[01:39:24]  They ride the subway.
[01:39:27]  Yeah, sure.
[01:39:28]  This is totally authentic.
[01:39:29]  Look, she thinks she's so cool.
[01:39:32]  She's just hanging out down in Stonewall.
[01:39:35]  That's no accident.
[01:39:37]  Because she's an ally, Megan.
[01:39:38]  Oh, yeah.
[01:39:39]  Okay, Stonewall.
[01:39:40]  You're right.
[01:39:42]  She's in like 80 pounds of hair extensions, jewelry that none of us would ever openly wear on the subway.
[01:39:48]  Right.
[01:39:48]  With our nose in a book and huge beat, like I will never blame a victim, but you are asking for it.
[01:39:56]  You are telegraphing to the nearest mentally ill homeless person.
[01:39:59]  I would love it if you would shove me on the track.
[01:40:02]  Victim here.
[01:40:03]  Be really authentic.
[01:40:08]  Why do we dislike Sarah Jessica Parker?
[01:40:11]  I think I find her extremely saccharine and sweet and like overly girlish.
[01:40:17]  And if you really think about her voice, you know, it's a biological fact that as we age, our voices get deeper.
[01:40:23]  Men or women.
[01:40:24]  She's always like this.
[01:40:27]  She's like 60, and it's not like she's baby Jane.
[01:40:31]  She is just wearing 80 pounds of hair extensions and running down cobblestones in New York in six-inch heels.
[01:40:38]  We're not worried about breaking an ankle, let alone it.
[01:40:41]  That's why I call her my favorite sprightly 900-year-old heroine.
[01:40:46]  No one's as bad as Jamie Kern Lima on the high voice.
[01:40:50]  You know, that one who interviewed Megan Markle?
[01:40:52]  And she came up with it cosmetics, IT cosmetics.
[01:40:55]  Yeah.
[01:40:55]  Made a bunch of, but she's, her voice has gone standing up here.
[01:40:58]  I can't even do it.
[01:40:58]  Mine's too low.
[01:40:59]  It's so annoying.
[01:41:01]  It's like helium, like you suck a bunch of.
[01:41:03]  It's like, oh, yeah.
[01:41:06]  The power of yet.
[01:41:08]  It's my friend, Megan Markle.
[01:41:11]  Megan, don't you?
[01:41:12]  And you know, Megan like fucking hates her, right?
[01:41:15]  She's like, she's a billionaire.
[01:41:17]  She's up in Montecito.
[01:41:19]  She's got like next to no friends.
[01:41:20]  This woman has a podcast.
[01:41:22]  She's a ton of money.
[01:41:23]  So, you know.
[01:41:26]  There's no one less happy than Michelle Obama.
[01:41:31]  Have you been stunned?
[01:41:32]  We really haven't had a chance to talk about her racism.
[01:41:35]  We've talked about her misery and her hatred for Barack.
[01:41:40]  That's obvious.
[01:41:41]  But the racism was kind of a new strain that she decided to let loose just in time for her book tour.
[01:41:47]  It's a weird way to market a book.
[01:41:49]  I hate whites.
[01:41:51]  Maybe there's a market for that.
[01:41:52]  She put like a fresh top spin on that old hoary baseball.
[01:41:57]  Now we've got racism coming our way.
[01:41:58]  It's exciting.
[01:42:00]  It's exciting, right?
[01:42:01]  It is exciting.
[01:42:02]  I'm not going to lie.
[01:42:03]  Whenever I see she's done a new interview, I'm like, play, It is exciting.
[01:42:09]  What do you think that is?
[01:42:11]  Just non-stop grievance.
[01:42:12]  Like, it's misery.
[01:42:13]  It really kind of does go under the general theme of misery.
[01:42:17]  Doesn't have a nice thing to say about the country, the husband, motherhood, being first lady, living in the White House, or whites.
[01:42:27]  I do have a theory.
[01:42:28]  So, and I think this is a tether between Megan Markle and Michelle Obama.
[01:42:35]  It makes them special and it makes them seem serious.
[01:42:39]  Like, they're not really deep intellects.
[01:42:41]  They're not original thinkers.
[01:42:43]  They're not funny.
[01:42:44]  Maureen, she went to Princeton.
[01:42:46]  We've talked about the thesis, right?
[01:42:48]  Yes.
[01:42:49]  Yeah.
[01:42:49]  And we've talked about the affirmative action.
[01:42:51]  Yeah, and like Christopher Hitchens, the late great Christopher Hitchens, found that thesis and it was very controversial because this was when the Obamas were first a borning and everybody was falling in love with them and he said not according to her, not according to her revisionist history.
[01:43:08]  And he said he read that thesis and it was nothing resembling the English language.
[01:43:13]  He couldn't make heads or tails of it.
[01:43:15]  And I believe I found the same thesis and he was dead on.
[01:43:18]  Like it makes zero sense.
[01:43:21]  So I don't know how you can be granted entree to an Ivy League, lesser competitive, no offense to anyone who went to Princeton, and then become the first black first lady and then say America is super racist except for those two times they overwhelmingly and enthusiastically voted your husband into office and the likes of Brad Pitt and Oprah were crying in Chicago's park.
[01:43:46]  And put you on the magazine covers and made you personally rich and talked about you being the answer to Democrat politics and possibly the next presidential candidate.
[01:43:54]  I think we can all agree that ship has sailed, don't you think?
[01:43:58]  She's ruined her own brand?
[01:44:00]  I think that's probably true.
[01:44:01]  All right, now wait, in the time we have left, I want to talk about you.

=== Beige Christmas Decorations Fail (05:46) ===

[01:44:04]  You, madam.
[01:44:06]  All right.
[01:44:07]  How did you get this way?
[01:44:10]  Oh, I'm the product of a difficult home.
[01:44:14]  And so, like, you learn how to read a room very, very quickly.
[01:44:19]  Like, by the time I was eight, I likened myself to at the level of like a top FBI criminal profiler.
[01:44:27]  Like, I can tell, get out, get out of the room, it's about to blow up.
[01:44:31]  Very useful.
[01:44:32]  And I also just, the people I've always really admired the most, but like in a fun way, like just drawn to them, very compelling, were always the people who would say the thing everyone was thinking, but was too afraid to say because you think like no one else can be thinking this way, right?
[01:44:50]  Like people, but like the George Carlins of the world, the Joan Rivers of the world.
[01:44:56]  Yes.
[01:44:56]  You're in that category.
[01:44:58]  You say what you think, and you know, you catch a lot of flack sometimes, but you don't care.
[01:45:02]  No, I don't.
[01:45:03]  And that's like a superpower.
[01:45:06]  It's so liberating.
[01:45:07]  It really is.
[01:45:08]  And you know, I have noticed because I've only been doing it for, you know, a few years, because when I was on Fox, I didn't really, I wasn't really in the opinion-giving business.
[01:45:17]  I was much more of a hard news person.
[01:45:19]  But the more you do it, the easier it gets.
[01:45:22]  That's something for everybody to know.
[01:45:23]  The more you do it, the easier it gets.
[01:45:25]  And it is liberating, like the shirts, red, free, free, free.
[01:45:28]  It is liberating to say what's real, you know?
[01:45:33]  And you can only do it with practice.
[01:45:35]  Anyway, you do it, but you also do it with humor.
[01:45:37]  So is it just the Irish thing?
[01:45:40]  How did you become so funny?
[01:45:41]  Well, that's, thank you.
[01:45:42]  I mean, both of my parents were very funny people.
[01:45:47]  It's definitely part Irish.
[01:45:48]  It's definitely part, I think, to me, the funniest thing, the biggest power is in if you can laugh at somebody or something instead of giving in to them just making you angry or bitter.
[01:46:02]  Like if you can see the lunacy or the just how utter, like Megan Markle is such a perfect, like our with love Megan, like that thing wrote itself because she makes us all crazy and we all fucking hate her and want her to go to way and she'll never go away.
[01:46:19]  So let's laugh at her.
[01:46:20]  Let's just, yeah.
[01:46:21]  People wrote in saying, how did you guys learn your lines?
[01:46:26]  Like they were describing.
[01:46:28]  We had no lines.
[01:46:29]  We just were in character.
[01:46:31]  And it was very easy.
[01:46:32]  If you watch her for two minutes, you know exactly how to play her.
[01:46:35]  And also her submissive, terrified friends.
[01:46:39]  Oh, Daniel.
[01:46:40]  Daniel was, I would like, if I ever win an award for acting, which now we're in the acting world, you and I. Could happen.
[01:46:47]  Astronauts, acting, what have you, I would like to.
[01:46:50]  We've been.
[01:46:51]  Yeah, we do it all.
[01:46:52]  I would like to thank Daniel.
[01:46:54]  He was my inspiration.
[01:46:56]  I studied him for hours and hours.
[01:46:59]  You know, she has, we're being very tough on her, but she has a Christmas special coming up, Maureen.
[01:47:03]  I'm sure you're going to be getting your holiday decorating tips from it.
[01:47:07]  Do we feel this is a resurgence in her popularity here domestically?
[01:47:12]  Well, I don't know.
[01:47:13]  I don't know if you've seen the images of her, the reels of her skipping jauntily through her orchard.
[01:47:20]  Yes.
[01:47:20]  Where she kind of looks like, to me, it looks like an alien soul has taken control of a human body, but the soul doesn't know how a human body works.
[01:47:33]  So she's kind of like, this, like, how do you, you hop, right?
[01:47:37]  That's happy.
[01:47:39]  And then the entire tableau in the house is like beige upon taupe upon grey.
[01:47:45]  So it's just a very good thing.
[01:47:45]  She's very joyful.
[01:47:47]  Even for Christmas, she has beige Christmas decorations.
[01:47:50]  Who the hell wants beige Christmas decorations?
[01:47:52]  I think she thinks it's classy.
[01:47:55]  Like, you know.
[01:47:56]  So you don't, you know, she's getting back into acting.
[01:47:58]  Do we think there's a future there?
[01:48:01]  I just think if she were a better actress, we'd all not be on to her by now.
[01:48:07]  She thinks she's still pulling one over on us.
[01:48:10]  Yes.
[01:48:10]  Right?
[01:48:11]  Yes, exactly right.
[01:48:13]  So finally, politics.
[01:48:16]  Yeah.
[01:48:16]  You don't go there that often.
[01:48:18]  You write about it in the Daily Mail sometimes.
[01:48:20]  You don't go there that often on the nerve.
[01:48:22]  How do you like the chances of the Republican Party in holding on to power going into the next presidential election?
[01:48:30]  What's your take on it?
[01:48:31]  I don't know.
[01:48:32]  I think it's really too early to tell.
[01:48:34]  I think what just happened in New York especially is such a bellwether.
[01:48:38]  Not just because, you know, New York City, yes, it's liberal, but I really think it was a kind of a rebuke to like, hey, we just want change agents.
[01:48:48]  We just want change.
[01:48:49]  We can't afford to go to the grocery store still.
[01:48:52]  Donald Trump said he was going to fix it.
[01:48:54]  He didn't fix it.
[01:48:54]  Like we don't have the leisure of another year or two going by to tell us that as AI is a boring and tariffs have still impacted prices that like we just have to gut it out week after week.
[01:49:06]  And I think that's why.
[01:49:08]  And I also tend, I try not to get into politics too much because I'm very cynical about sort of both sides.
[01:49:15]  I just think it's such the things that you have to do and the compromises you have to make.
[01:49:20]  And I'm inherently suspicious of anybody who wants that amount of power.
[01:49:26]  I just think it's healthy to be, you know?
[01:49:29]  I'll tell you what, I'm going to make an announcement.
[01:49:31]  Are you okay?
[01:49:32]  I know who I'm rooting for in 2028, and it's not JD Vance.
[01:49:36]  Who?
[01:49:36]  It's Katie Porter.
[01:49:38]  Yes.
[01:49:38]  Oh, yeah.
[01:49:39]  Oh, that would be amazing.
[01:49:41]  How fun would that be?
[01:49:43]  I mean, the country would burn, but it would be so fun watching her along the way.
[01:49:48]  Get the fuck out of here.

=== Cynical Parting Words (00:27) ===

[01:49:50]  And I think those have to be my parting words because we're over time.
[01:49:54]  Maureen, I love you.
[01:49:56]  I love you for all the laughs and all the fun.
[01:49:58]  Thank you, Megan.
[01:49:59]  To be continued.
[01:50:03]  I love all of you, Anaheim.
[01:50:04]  Thank you for coming and spending your night with us.
[01:50:07]  We'll talk to you tomorrow, and I hope I see you again very soon.
[01:50:13]  Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly Show.
[01:50:15]  No BS, no agenda, and no