The Megyn Kelly Show - 20240408_caitlin-clark-haters-and-trumps-vp-apprentice-and-
Aired: 2024-04-08
Duration: 01:36:45


=== Solar Eclipse Sensations (11:30) ===

[00:00:00]  Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111, every weekday at least.
[00:00:12]  Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly.
[00:00:14]  Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show.
[00:00:15]  Hope you had a good weekend.
[00:00:17]  Today, it seems like all anyone can talk about is this.
[00:00:25]  Shadow.
[00:00:28]  Yes, that's better than Tony Eclipse of the Heart.
[00:00:31]  All anyone can talk about is the solar eclipse, and we are part of it.
[00:00:36]  Are you to get all nerdy for a minute in the path of totality?
[00:00:40]  It's a whole thing, so we're going to have to get into it.
[00:00:43]  Plus, we'll bring you former President Trump's big announcement, unquote, abortion rights this morning.
[00:00:48]  Just that term is getting him some blowback from the right.
[00:00:51]  And new reporting on his potential VP selection.
[00:00:54]  Is he getting closer?
[00:00:55]  We have a name.
[00:00:56]  We'll tell you what the speculation is.
[00:00:57]  Joining me now for the full show, our friends Stu Bergeer, host of Blaze TV's Stu Does America, and Dave Marcus, columnist for Daily Mail, Fox News, and other outlets.
[00:01:25]  Stu and Dave, are you ready?
[00:01:27]  Are you ready for the darkness?
[00:01:29]  Oh, yeah.
[00:01:30]  I'm in the path of totality, Megan.
[00:01:32]  I've got the fancy glasses right here.
[00:01:35]  Pop them on at any time.
[00:01:36]  I'm ready to go.
[00:01:39]  I mean, when you have them on inside, you literally cannot see anything.
[00:01:42]  I think they're going to do some better things outside when you're actually looking at the sun.
[00:01:47]  I'm just going to look at it like Trump did.
[00:01:52]  I think it's fine.
[00:01:53]  Did you guys make a thing out of the one we went through in 17?
[00:01:58]  No.
[00:01:59]  I remember it coming and not really thinking it was that big of a deal and then realizing it apparently had never happened in my entire life.
[00:02:06]  And I guess it, I mean, it is a pretty cool thing.
[00:02:09]  I remember seeing the little crescent shadows that year.
[00:02:13]  You could see from, which is really, really strange.
[00:02:15]  It's definitely a cool thing.
[00:02:16]  My kids are fascinated by it.
[00:02:18]  I mean, they were excited to get the glasses.
[00:02:20]  They were looking at the sun today before the eclipse with the glasses on, which, you know, is the only way you should really ever look at the sun.
[00:02:25]  It is, it is pretty amazing, but my big prediction for it is I think it's going to get slightly darker for about four minutes and then it's going to pass.
[00:02:35]  I is it just me?
[00:02:37]  I feel like path of totality sounds like a 1970s cult.
[00:02:42]  Like the path of totality, not one of the suicidal ones, but sort of like back to nature and don't get your hair cut.
[00:02:50]  But there might be like group sex going on.
[00:02:53]  Yeah, that's your path.
[00:02:55]  We did, Abby and I and a gal who worked for me, Emily Jefferson, we all did the eclipse on the top of the NBC building.
[00:03:02]  Was it Av, do we remember?
[00:03:04]  What did we were excited by the eclipse?
[00:03:07]  I can't remember.
[00:03:09]  There we are.
[00:03:10]  I mean, look at Abby really leaning in.
[00:03:12]  She's like the head fully back there taking in the eclipse.
[00:03:15]  I don't remember.
[00:03:17]  My kids, they watched it with their nana out at the beach.
[00:03:20]  I don't remember being blown away by it, but I do think it's important to like make it a thing.
[00:03:27]  I love just the thought of like this connection where the whole nation gets together and gets excited about something and then we all talk about it, whether it's a huge sporting event or an eclipse, or you know, in a couple years we're going to have the country's 250th anniversary.
[00:03:43]  Our birthday is coming up, 250.
[00:03:45]  That's big.
[00:03:45]  We should all be doing it.
[00:03:46]  I like the idea of like, it's a thing.
[00:03:49]  The nation comes together for it.
[00:03:51]  It's good that so far we haven't been divided by it.
[00:03:53]  I mean, nobody's called the eclipse racist yet on social media.
[00:03:57]  I mean, it might come, but so far, yeah, I'm all for that.
[00:04:02]  It's only white privilege that allows people to enjoy, you know, while other people are suffering around the world, white privilege allows people to enjoy.
[00:04:09]  Yeah, there's your totality down in there in Texas with all your white privilege.
[00:04:13]  So you, are you just going to go like in your backyard, Stu, to get the whole, because I do think it's cool to see the total eclipse.
[00:04:19]  Yeah, I, I, I'm actually kind of into it.
[00:04:21]  I mean, I, I'm going to be in the middle of a taping when that happens.
[00:04:24]  And we're just, I'm just going to stop the taping and walk outside.
[00:04:26]  Like, I just, I want to see it.
[00:04:28]  I did buy the stupid glasses.
[00:04:29]  I've got them on.
[00:04:31]  I, I, my kids are, you know, get a period of school.
[00:04:34]  They're all taking out and walking outside.
[00:04:36]  And like the scene, I will say the scene around here is a little strange.
[00:04:39]  I mean, thousands and thousands of people are coming into the path.
[00:04:42]  And we're in Dallas.
[00:04:44]  So it's, you know, it's a lot of people who are traveling here to see it.
[00:04:47]  And it, everybody, I haven't been out in a while, but it was the clouds were gathering this morning.
[00:04:52]  It was clear all weekend.
[00:04:54]  And the clouds were gathering.
[00:04:55]  The predictions are it's going to be too cloudy to really see anything, which there's a hotel around here that was charging $3,600 a night for people to come into town to watch the eclipse.
[00:05:07]  And then they're very likely going to be staring at the bottom of a bunch of clouds.
[00:05:11]  So I don't know.
[00:05:12]  There's something revealing about that.
[00:05:14]  Oh, no.
[00:05:15]  We're only supposed to get 90%.
[00:05:16]  We're in Connecticut.
[00:05:17]  We could have driven five hours to northern Vermont to have seen the total thing in Burlington, but we didn't.
[00:05:25]  We had to do the show.
[00:05:26]  The kids have school.
[00:05:27]  But we are going to, I'm pulling them out of school just a little early, just like a half an hour.
[00:05:31]  They're going to miss like after school sports, basically, so that we can watch it together.
[00:05:35]  And I think we're in Connecticut.
[00:05:36]  We're going to get 92% block out, which is, that's, I realize it's not total.
[00:05:41]  There was a guy on the daily this morning, the New York Times podcast, really shaming those of us who are settling for less on totality.
[00:05:47]  But we're going to do what we can.
[00:05:50]  I don't know.
[00:05:50]  What about you, David?
[00:05:51]  You're in West Virginia, right?
[00:05:52]  Where are you guys?
[00:05:53]  Yeah, we're going to, we, we're getting like 89%.
[00:05:55]  I was talking to one guy at 7-Eleven today who, I mean, he was very excited.
[00:06:00]  I was, I was, I was a little surprised, which is funny because this is like the second time that I've been surprised at 7-Eleven by a guy being excited because the other night there was a guy who was like super excited about the women's basketball game.
[00:06:11]  And I'm like, what's going on at the 7-Eleven now?
[00:06:14]  It's all about like women's basketball and like solar phenomena.
[00:06:17]  But he was very excited.
[00:06:19]  I would think what I might do if I remember, maybe I'll send an alarm now to think about it.
[00:06:23]  If I remember, I might put my cat on the back deck to like see if she freaks out.
[00:06:30]  Like, she probably won't because it's not really her nature.
[00:06:33]  What?
[00:06:34]  No.
[00:06:36]  Protect the cat.
[00:06:37]  What's the cat's name?
[00:06:37]  You told me about this on Twitter.
[00:06:39]  Beguera.
[00:06:39]  Exchange.
[00:06:40]  Beguera.
[00:06:40]  Yes.
[00:06:41]  My cat is protect her.
[00:06:42]  Protect her from what?
[00:06:44]  Well, look here.
[00:06:45]  You mentioned Trump from this.
[00:06:46]  Here's this video from 2017.
[00:06:49]  There he is.
[00:06:50]  Look.
[00:06:51]  Yeah.
[00:06:51]  Look.
[00:06:52]  No.
[00:06:54]  There's Melania with the proper, well, at least some sort of protection.
[00:06:58]  There.
[00:06:59]  Now he's got the protective lenses on.
[00:07:01]  This is the way to look at it through the glasses, not just straight up.
[00:07:04]  Do not go the first way with Bakira.
[00:07:07]  All right.
[00:07:08]  I'll let you know how it goes.
[00:07:10]  I thought one of the interesting things on the eclipse was to figure out how much to terrify my children about staring at the sun because I was like, you don't want them to look and ruin their eyes, but probably, I mean, you saw what Trump did.
[00:07:23]  Probably that's not going to do much of anything.
[00:07:25]  I doubt his vision is any worse from what he did there.
[00:07:28]  But I did build it up to my kids that basically their eyes are going to burn out of their skulls if they looked at it for just a second to try to terrify them into the correct behavior.
[00:07:37]  I don't know if that's good parenting or bad parenting, but it's what I went with.
[00:07:40]  I don't, they say, first of all, if you damage your eyes, it's permanent.
[00:07:43]  Like the cells that will be damaged don't come back.
[00:07:46]  So I, that's serious.
[00:07:47]  But is it worse than just looking at the sun on a regular day?
[00:07:51]  Like, I thought the damage is like, we all know you're not supposed to look at the sun.
[00:07:54]  It's extremely powerful and hurts your eyes.
[00:07:56]  Like, is it especially bad the day of an eclipse?
[00:08:00]  Or is it just that you're more tempted to linger because something really cool is happening up there?
[00:08:05]  Yeah, I think it doesn't hurt, right?
[00:08:06]  So it doesn't like you don't shy away.
[00:08:08]  And I think also your, your, your, uh, you know, your eyeballs open up when it gets dark to try to gather in more.
[00:08:15]  Uh, so I think that affects it as well.
[00:08:17]  As you can tell, I'm pretty much a scientist on this, so you can definitely take it.
[00:08:20]  Stu, Dr. Stu, I have a question.
[00:08:23]  Um, so Dr. Stu, prior to the invention of these plastic uh glasses that allow us to witness a solar eclipse, how did human beings for thousands of years know about solar eclipses without everybody having gone blind?
[00:08:38]  Dave, they all thought the world was ending.
[00:08:40]  That's what happened.
[00:08:41]  They all were standing there in the middle of the day.
[00:08:43]  But they didn't go blind and get well because they were running for their lives.
[00:08:48]  That's what was happening.
[00:08:49]  We look back at these poor people thousands of years ago and they're like, oh, I can't believe they thought the world was ending.
[00:08:54]  Of course they did.
[00:08:55]  That's what I would have thought too.
[00:08:57]  It just got darty in the middle of the day for no reason.
[00:08:59]  That's what I would think.
[00:09:01]  They thought it was end of days.
[00:09:02]  Well, here is what you can actually expect.
[00:09:05]  This is courtesy again in the New York Times, The Daily Podcast Today, which featured Mr. Eclipse Fred Espinack, retired astrophysicist and eclipse chaser.
[00:09:17]  Watch this.
[00:09:18]  Maybe about a minute before the total eclipse began, we noticed strange patterns on the ground beneath us on the grassy field that we were on.
[00:09:29]  These ripples racing across the field.
[00:09:33]  And these are something called shadow bands.
[00:09:37]  They look a lot like the rippling patterns that you would see on the bottom of a swimming pool.
[00:09:44]  Bands of light and dark and moving very quickly across the ground.
[00:09:48]  And along one edge of the moon is this bright bead of sunlight because that's the last remaining piece of the sun before it becomes total.
[00:09:57]  And this is the diamond ring effect because you've got the ring of the corona.
[00:10:02]  When you see this all transpire, you can easily understand how people thought this was the end of the world because it seems far outside of the realms of nature.
[00:10:13]  It seems supernatural.
[00:10:15]  I think it's a sense of belonging, belonging to this incredible universe, both belonging and humbleness.
[00:10:28]  I like that.
[00:10:30]  That's something we can all relate to, and that taps into my own reasons for watching it too.
[00:10:34]  I don't know if we're going to get exactly the same sensation, we partial eclipse people, but it's a cool thing to think about.
[00:10:41]  I'll tell you this too.
[00:10:45]  Astrology from the magazine Astrology.
[00:10:49]  This is actually from the magazine The Cut, but it's about astrology.
[00:10:52]  For literally thousands of years, eclipses have portended large-scale metamorphosis, status quo shakedowns, shifts in authority and power and collective transformation.
[00:11:07]  The eclipse could be a sign that Donald Trump is going to win.
[00:11:11]  Shifts in authority and power and collective transformation.
[00:11:18]  They say astrologers believe that eclipses have the power to change the course of history, that events that coincide with eclipses are literally written in the stars.

=== Trump's Eclipse Election Ads (05:53) ===

[00:11:31]  And none other than Donald Trump is taking advantage of that very possibility with his own eclipse-themed election ad, which has made Canadian Debbie laugh harder than anything we've seen on this show in recent history.
[00:11:47]  Take a look at the profile.
[00:12:21]  We will save America.
[00:12:33]  You tell me, Dave Marcus, I saw that and I said to my team, this is why he's going to win.
[00:12:38]  It's a very good ad.
[00:12:40]  That was also a very good segment from the daily.
[00:12:42]  I'm going to, as soon as we get the break, I'm texting the guys at Morning Wire.
[00:12:45]  Like, I want background music.
[00:12:46]  That was, that, that, that, that was, that was an impressive segment.
[00:12:50]  I really liked it.
[00:12:51]  They did a nice job.
[00:12:52]  They liked all of that.
[00:12:52]  You have to give kudos.
[00:12:54]  Yeah.
[00:12:54]  I am, no, they're, they're, they, they do a great job.
[00:12:57]  I mean, look, yeah, no, you're right.
[00:12:58]  I mean, look, Trump, Trump's a lot of fun.
[00:13:00]  He knew he had this moment from the last time.
[00:13:02]  And I, look, I'm sure he knew when he did it the last time that everybody was going to jump on social media and be like, HELOCH, HELOCK.
[00:13:11]  No, it's, it's, it's good.
[00:13:12]  It's fun.
[00:13:14]  And I think that as long as that's what Trump is doing and he's not like, you know, aggressively attacking people, he's, he's in a better place and he feels like he's winning.
[00:13:24]  And I think we are seeing fun loving Trump.
[00:13:28]  Here's the other thing, Stu.
[00:13:29]  This magazine article goes on to say, eclipses are known to speed up time by perpetuating the inevitable.
[00:13:38]  I don't know what that means, perpetuating the inevitable.
[00:13:40]  In other words, whatever was going to happen eventually, for example, breaking up, moving to a new city, starting a different career path, will be expedited during an eclipse.
[00:13:52]  Don't be surprised if major life-changing milestones and all the corresponding drama are piling up right now.
[00:13:59]  Eclipse season chaos is a very real phenomenon.
[00:14:05]  So it, wait a minute.
[00:14:08]  It expedites what was going to happen eventually.
[00:14:14]  And at the same time, it allows major life-changing milestones to pile up.
[00:14:19]  This is incongruous in why I don't normally read the magazine, The Cut.
[00:14:24]  But basically, anything that happens in your life over the next two months, you can blame it on the eclipse.
[00:14:29]  That's how I read it, Stu.
[00:14:30]  Oh, perfect.
[00:14:31]  That's a free reign to do whatever you want, I guess.
[00:14:35]  I'm more predicting just, you know, the darkness part.
[00:14:38]  I think that's going to happen.
[00:14:39]  All the other stuff associated with it.
[00:14:41]  I had a guy who, a friend of mine who came to me, he's like, yeah, my wife came home and she said, you know, I heard there's a lot of weird stuff that's going to happen with this eclipse.
[00:14:48]  You know, I something with demons or something.
[00:14:50]  What do you think about that?
[00:14:51]  It's like, why do you think I'm the guy who's going to know what demons are doing?
[00:14:54]  Like that, what does that say about our friendship?
[00:14:58]  I have no insight as to what demons may do.
[00:15:01]  I do think that it is an interesting thing.
[00:15:03]  And this might relate to the way the left see.
[00:15:05]  Yeah, Glenn may know.
[00:15:06]  Glenn may know what demons know.
[00:15:07]  We'll ask him.
[00:15:08]  He always knows.
[00:15:10]  If they see Donald Trump as a demon, and the fact is that he seems to have a much more competent election, you know, campaign staff than he's had in previous elections.
[00:15:21]  Some people that are kind of leaning into his persona a little bit more.
[00:15:24]  If you kind of remember the 2016 election, it was all these like weird user-created videos that kind of floated around and really led to the popularity.
[00:15:32]  Everybody around him was, you know, no one was really professional.
[00:15:35]  It was like a, it was a bootstrapped operation in 2016.
[00:15:39]  I'd be scared if I were on the left seeing the operation today.
[00:15:44]  It's like it's a combination of the good things that Trump does kind of on his own, along with some of the professionalism that wasn't really there in 2016.
[00:15:52]  And, you know, he won in 2016.
[00:15:54]  So, you know, seeing stuff like this where they're leaning into the fun of Donald Trump instead of just the, you know, the sort of dark warnings that he sometimes gives, I think is in a period like this where people are sort of worn down by these past three years of Biden.
[00:16:10]  I think it's a good approach and it's one that might be successful.
[00:16:14]  Completely agree.
[00:16:15]  This is Biden doesn't get it and can't do it, even if he did get it.
[00:16:20]  Donald Trump's natural sense of humor is a huge asset to him.
[00:16:24]  And it's why, in particular, he's doing better.
[00:16:27]  I think right now, we'll get into this in just a bit with young voters.
[00:16:30]  Not all that, but in part, I think it's mostly economically driven.
[00:16:34]  But his sense of humor also reinforces a sense of vibrancy, which works well against this sitting president.
[00:16:41]  But I want to pick up on what you said about the Dem freakout because it's in full force already.
[00:16:46]  We got seven months to go, but it's in full force because the polling is very good for Donald Trump.
[00:16:52]  Not universally, but pretty much almost universally.
[00:16:57]  When Rachel Maddow was having her 27-minute meltdown about Rona McDaniel 10 days ago or two weeks ago, she was saying how dire the circumstances because according to the polls, Donald Trump is going to be the next president.
[00:17:12]  Even she admits it.
[00:17:15]  And that brings me to an actress who most people may not even know, but her hysteria is proof of the thing you just said, Stu.

=== Left's Reaction to Trump (04:48) ===

[00:17:24]  I knew this actress from What's Love Got to Do With It?
[00:17:30]  The great biopic about Tina Turner's life based on her book, I Tina.
[00:17:35]  And this actress played Tina Turner's mother in the movie.
[00:17:40]  Remember her?
[00:17:43]  I'm her mother.
[00:17:44]  This is Anna May's mother.
[00:17:45]  Y'all believe that?
[00:17:48]  I can't believe that.
[00:17:50]  My goodness.
[00:17:51]  What's a fine young thing like you doing with two grown daughters?
[00:17:55]  Hey, Miss Ellie.
[00:17:57]  How can I help you, Mr. Turner?
[00:18:00]  I turned.
[00:18:01]  I didn't pay for Haname to come all the way up here from Nutbush, Tennessee to be wasting time with a bunch of musicians.
[00:18:07]  But was that a moment?
[00:18:08]  It wasn't like that.
[00:18:09]  Anime.
[00:18:10]  Ellie.
[00:18:10]  Well, Mama, take Anime in the back.
[00:18:14]  Turner.
[00:18:15]  I don't know what you had in mind, but this little girl's going to be a nurse.
[00:18:21]  Bring her steady paycheck.
[00:18:24]  Great clip and great movie.
[00:18:25]  And Jennifer Lewis, one end, unlike the other Jennifer, who's got two, did a great job.
[00:18:31]  Now, now, these days, she's starring in the sitcom Blackish.
[00:18:35]  She's 67 years old, and she is really, really upset about the prospect of Donald Trump retaking the presidency.
[00:18:44]  She sat in an interview with Zerlina Maxwell, a host of the radio show Mornings with Zerlina, right here on Sirius XM.
[00:18:51]  Take a listen.
[00:18:54]  And we do nothing.
[00:18:55]  We sit on our couches.
[00:18:56]  Oh, I don't believe in voting.
[00:18:59]  You fucking idiot.
[00:19:02]  If that man gets in, as soon as he takes the oath, he will have generals walk down the steps of the Capitol.
[00:19:14]  He will take a hammer and break the glass where the Constitution is.
[00:19:20]  And he will tear it up in our faces and say, Now, I'm the king of the fucking world.
[00:19:32]  You will bow down, bitches.
[00:19:36]  He will punish everybody that didn't vote for him.
[00:19:39]  Let me tell y'all how I know this shit.
[00:19:44]  I know it because I know what mental illness looks like.
[00:19:48]  That's true.
[00:19:50]  That mania is unstoppable.
[00:20:00]  See, this motherfucker's Hitler.
[00:20:09]  He didn't come to play.
[00:20:15]  Very dramatic.
[00:20:16]  I mean, guys, that's super dramatic and very well, you know, delivered, right?
[00:20:23]  I mean, we have to admit, like, I'm, I'm scared.
[00:20:26]  It's about to be very compelling.
[00:20:28]  I love that.
[00:20:29]  You know, I used to have Zerlina Maxwell on my Fox shows, but I love the response.
[00:20:33]  Like, he will fucking send the generals and he will tear up the Constitution and break the glass.
[00:20:45]  That was an incredible clip.
[00:20:47]  It really was.
[00:20:48]  And, you know, we sometimes look at the way that the left treats Trump and reacts to him.
[00:20:54]  And, you know, the fact that they're trying to put him in prison, they're trying to throw him off ballots.
[00:20:58]  They're doing all these things.
[00:20:59]  It's because in so many people in public life, in the media, in politics who are on the left, what you just heard is their entire internal monologue.
[00:21:09]  That is exactly what is inspiring them to act the way they are.
[00:21:14]  When they seem irrational, when they seem like they're doing these things, they're saying that democracy is under attack, and that's why we're trying to remove the other guy who's on the ballot.
[00:21:23]  That sort of behavior can only come from an internal monologue just like that.
[00:21:27]  And if you justify the world in those sorts of terms, of course, you can really kind of justify any behavior to stop that from happening.
[00:21:37]  That's a fascinating clip.
[00:21:38]  I think more, first of all, hilarious, but also very, very revealing.
[00:21:43]  Yeah.
[00:21:44]  Maybe that's why you're saying it's so high up.
[00:21:47]  I mean, but it's also just a, it's such a bizarre fantasy.
[00:21:51]  I mean, the generals are gonna, what generals?
[00:21:55]  Like, like, what's gonna happen?
[00:21:57]  Like, January 20th, Trump's gonna go to the White House.
[00:22:00]  He's gonna call a joint chiefs of staff and say, like, I'm the king now.
[00:22:03]  I need you to march down the Capitol steps so everyone knows I'm the king.
[00:22:08]  Now, I'm gonna go to the National Archives.
[00:22:10]  I'm gonna tear the Constitution up.

=== Supreme Court Friends Fantasy (13:17) ===

[00:22:12]  Yeah.
[00:22:13]  And then I'll disband Congress.
[00:22:14]  Like, what are you talking about?
[00:22:16]  Like, not of this.
[00:22:17]  This is, this is, this is like an opium fantasy.
[00:22:21]  It's, it's, it's completely bizarre.
[00:22:23]  It's a very strange thing to even talk about.
[00:22:25]  But as Stu points out, they think this is going to happen.
[00:22:30]  These are the same people who thought that we were five minutes away from losing our democracy because QAnon Shaman, you know, stood on the, in the well of the Senate.
[00:22:40]  It's, it's bizarre.
[00:22:42]  Yeah.
[00:22:42]  And then, but then, of course, she gives it up when she was like, how do I know it's going to happen?
[00:22:48]  Because I know what mental illness looks like.
[00:22:51]  It's still.
[00:22:52]  She said as she proved her point.
[00:22:54]  Yes.
[00:22:55]  Has there ever been a more like, I did not believe a lot of the things she said in that monologue, but when she said, I know what mental illness looked like, I believed every word of it.
[00:23:04]  It was, it was meta.
[00:23:05]  It was very meta.
[00:23:07]  I was having one of those moments.
[00:23:08]  So yeah, that's just a little sampling.
[00:23:11]  I mean, I will say while I'm on the topic of hysterical leftist meltdowns, did you guys see, you know, Ellie Mistell, who's, he writes for the nation.
[00:23:22]  He's one of the most just angry racist people on X.
[00:23:28]  And that's saying something.
[00:23:29]  And, you know, he goes on MSNBC, Joy Reed's show.
[00:23:33]  She's more racist than he is.
[00:23:34]  But I mean, it's a tight, tight race.
[00:23:38]  He wrote this scathing opinion piece about Justice Stephen Breyer, who wrote the following of the Supreme Court saying, the Supreme Court I served on, he's retired, was made up of friends.
[00:23:55]  And it pretty much went downhill from there, says Ellie Mistelle.
[00:23:59]  So Breyer wrote this op-ed in the New York Times about friendship amongst the court's justices, which has always been something that I've known of since I was a law student and then a lawyer and then covered the high court for Fox for three years.
[00:24:10]  I love this about a Supreme Court.
[00:24:12]  It's an example for us all that, I mean, they are so divided ideologically and always have been.
[00:24:17]  Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Justice Galia saw absolutely nothing the same way.
[00:24:22]  I mean, they're just completely different philosophies.
[00:24:26]  And yet they were, if not best friends, close to best friends.
[00:24:30]  They vacationed together all the time.
[00:24:32]  They hung out together all the time.
[00:24:34]  They respected each other's intellect.
[00:24:36]  They understood they were very different ideologically, but there was kindness and respect.
[00:24:42]  And I think maybe even, you know, the love of good friends there.
[00:24:46]  Well, Ellie Mistell's pissed about that because Justice Breyer is coming out to say, look, let me tell you something.
[00:24:53]  This is like a body that we can still look up to.
[00:24:55]  And he, this is Ellie's reaction.
[00:24:59]  The title of the piece is the Supreme Court I served on was made up of friends.
[00:25:02]  It pretty much went downhill from there.
[00:25:03]  He says, it's about how some of the justices used to play bridge together.
[00:25:07]  That's those two as well.
[00:25:08]  While others went to the opera and how they would share jokes over lunch.
[00:25:13]  The point of his piece, to the extent there was one, was to distract readers from their decisions and any number of horrid decisions emanating from the corrupt and broken Supreme Court and burnish the institution's reputation at a time when the people have had just enough of these justices.
[00:25:29]  Talking about their low approval ratings, he says, it's our opinion that the opinion exposes the court as a partisan cabal beholden to the Republican Party or the conservative culture warriors.
[00:25:43]  The Roberts Court is set on devouring the rights of women, people of color, and the LGBTQ community while preserving the rights of mass shooters to amass deadly arsenals.
[00:25:54]  But Breyer wants us to know that in my 28 years on the court, I did not hear a voice raised in anchor.
[00:25:58]  Why the hell not? He says.
[00:26:00]  Why weren't you, Steve, sitting there screaming at your conservative colleagues or asking everyone who would listen to stop your quote friends from hurting people?
[00:26:10]  Why do you think intellectual detachment in the face of act of horror is a virtue when it's more like a sin?
[00:26:17]  Maybe Breyer can enjoy a night at the opera with people who think a 10-year-old girl can be raped and forced to bring the pregnancy to term as a matter of law, but I can't.
[00:26:28]  Maybe Breyer should have spent less time having lunch with his conservative colleagues and more time having lunch with their victims.
[00:26:35]  And just a couple more.
[00:26:36]  There are a lot of people who believe that politics and policy differences can and should be ignored among colleagues and friends.
[00:26:42]  They believe that the fact that one person supports, say, amnesty for migrants who are out of status, while another supports shooting them to death, should their children miraculously manage to squeeze through the razor wire barricade erected to drown them, shouldn't prevent these two people from enjoying a few beers together.
[00:26:59]  The audience for Breyer's anecdotes is likely the same demographic as Breyer himself.
[00:27:03]  Old, straight, white, college-educated men and people who desperately want to attain the status and prestige of old, straight, white, college-educated men.
[00:27:12]  Breyer can maintain the intellectual guoberism of institutional collegiality in the face of real world harms because those harms are not visited on him.
[00:27:22]  He's not the guy the cops choke to death.
[00:27:24]  He's not the immigrant being deported away from his children.
[00:27:27]  He's not the woman being forced to incubate a rapist baby against their will.
[00:27:32]  This is despite the fact that Breyer voted with the leftist of the left, the biggest liberal vote on the court for his entire nearly 30-year tenure.
[00:27:42]  It's not good enough.
[00:27:43]  Why?
[00:27:44]  Because he's nice to the Republicans.
[00:27:47]  He doesn't demonize them.
[00:27:48]  And of course, his biggest sin, he's a, say it together, a straight white college educated man.
[00:27:56]  And that's really the problem for Ellie Mistell.
[00:28:00]  This is crazy ass racist classist shit.
[00:28:04]  It's fine.
[00:28:05]  We know he'll get away with it, but it does show you the extent of, it's not just Trump derangement syndrome.
[00:28:11]  It's like Republican derangement syndrome, Dave.
[00:28:14]  It's something beyond just Trump here.
[00:28:17]  Yeah, I mean, it's hate.
[00:28:21]  It's a preaching of hatred.
[00:28:23]  It's preaching that if somebody disagrees with you politically or if somebody is of a different faith or if somebody views the world in a way that is different from the way that you view the world, you should hate them, not just vote a different way, but you shouldn't be in their presence, right?
[00:28:40]  This goes back to the taunting of Trump officials in restaurants and don't be polite to these people, right?
[00:28:46]  Like make them be social outcasts.
[00:28:49]  And I mean, it'll destroy our society.
[00:28:52]  You know, you were reading that and I was thinking back, like the last year that I was really in theater was 2012 and I was the host of a short play series in downtown New York.
[00:29:02]  And part of the bit was, and it wasn't a bit really, like, what was that I was conservative.
[00:29:08]  I was a Republican and I would have fun with the audience.
[00:29:10]  This was in, you know, Bowery Poetry Club.
[00:29:13]  Everybody that, I mean, they weren't Democrats.
[00:29:14]  They were communists, right?
[00:29:16]  But we'd have fun.
[00:29:18]  And after the show, we'd have interesting conversations.
[00:29:20]  And it's like, well, you know, Dave, I condoleeze a rice is interesting, right?
[00:29:24]  And like, it was okay.
[00:29:27]  That seems like a million years ago to me now on all sides.
[00:29:33]  I mean, it's just, it just, it just couldn't happen today.
[00:29:36]  And it's not just the left and it's not just the right.
[00:29:38]  It seems like everybody has decided, like, if you don't agree with me about everything, then you're evil and I can't associate with you.
[00:29:46]  And it'll destroy the country.
[00:29:49]  I completely agree with that.
[00:29:51]  I feel like this is my bread and butter being able to talk to anybody, you know, people with whom I disagree, people with whom I do agree.
[00:29:59]  And he, the amount of energy, Stu, in this piece, the amount of hatred toward his own side, you know, Breyer is a leftist, but he is too tolerant of conservatives.
[00:30:14]  That's what's gotten him kicked out of Ellie Mistal's leftist club.
[00:30:19]  That, plus, as I said, the reality is if you read this guy's tweets or see his appearances on Joe Reed, the fact that Breyer's white, I'm telling you, he's a racist.
[00:30:27]  I mean, he doesn't like any whites and he really doesn't like whites who have tolerance for conservatives.
[00:30:35]  It's in perfectly on Joey Reid's program and wonder he's on all the time.
[00:30:39]  I think that, you know, part of this is, I don't know, I feel like I'm able to talk to my liberal friends about politics all the time.
[00:30:46]  And, you know, it's, I think it's really, really valuable to do that.
[00:30:49]  You know, it helps you work on, you know, not only just learn things about the other side, but also be more effective in a persuasion rather than just, you know, talking about your, you know, your beliefs and yelling them at your own side and everyone cheers you.
[00:31:04]  Like there's not that much benefit in that.
[00:31:06]  I know you, you're in Connecticut, I think, Megan, and that's where I grew up.
[00:31:10]  I grew up in Connecticut as I developed political views.
[00:31:13]  I was conservative.
[00:31:14]  And I think that was really beneficial.
[00:31:17]  It was interesting to live in a place that was mostly liberal while I was a conservative.
[00:31:21]  It makes you sharpen your arguments, but also work on them in a totally different way.
[00:31:26]  And that's what the Supreme Court's supposed to be.
[00:31:28]  It's supposed to be logical arguments based on founding documents that sucks all emotion out of that conversation.
[00:31:37]  It's not supposed to be emotional time, but the left must have that because the movement is completely based on it.
[00:31:45]  You can't make these changes without emotion that they want to make to our entire foundation.
[00:31:51]  You know, you go back to the Obama administration and it was Rahm Emanuel with the never let a crisis go to waste.
[00:31:57]  That mindset fuels so much of the left.
[00:32:00]  They get incremental gains in moment of emotion.
[00:32:03]  And if you suck that out, you make sober arguments with people, they can't gain the way that they want to gain, or at least as quickly as they want to.
[00:32:12]  I think you're right.
[00:32:13]  I think it's, it's, you know, our entire system is politics is nothing but a system to remove anger and violence out of these disagreements.
[00:32:23]  We're supposed to be able to work through them in a logical way.
[00:32:27]  It does feel gone in public life, but I don't feel like it's like that for normal people.
[00:32:32]  I think everybody's got a friend they think is a little nutty politically, but they can come over and you can have beers with them.
[00:32:38]  You can have conversations with them.
[00:32:40]  You can hang and you might, they might leave and you might make fun of them with your wife or your husband afterward.
[00:32:46]  But like, that's okay.
[00:32:47]  It's, it's, it's fun and you still think of them as a good person.
[00:32:50]  That's how normal people are supposed to be.
[00:32:52]  Completely agree.
[00:32:54]  And the Supreme Court is holding the line.
[00:32:56]  I'm delighted to see it in writing, though I've known it was true, given the experiences I just outlined for you, my own.
[00:33:04]  And he's proud of it too, and he should be.
[00:33:06]  And I will mark money, any amount of money that Gorsuch and Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas are getting along just fine with Elena Kagan and Kataji Brown Jackson and Sonia Sotomayor.
[00:33:20]  And the people who are angry about that are universally in this sliver of the bizarre far left.
[00:33:29]  There is not a conservative who's upset about this.
[00:33:32]  Maybe like that lunatic, Nick Fuentes, although he's not a, not a conservative.
[00:33:36]  I don't know what he is, but he just doesn't like certain races.
[00:33:40]  So maybe he doesn't like the fraternization.
[00:33:42]  I don't know.
[00:33:43]  But my point is, this is a leftist thing where the right is completely demonized as a group and is responsible if they want a strong border for the murder of immigrants.
[00:33:55]  That's what you want.
[00:33:56]  You want them to die as they try to squeeze through the barbed wire, as opposed to, no, we're actually trying to protect our own country and maintain order here, blah, blah, blah.
[00:34:03]  No, like this is a sick sliver.
[00:34:06]  And I know, Dave, I mean, clearly you more conservative leaning on Broadway, my God, I'm sure you dealt with leftists all the time.
[00:34:13]  I've got some of my dearest friends in the world, literally some most, most of my dearest friends in the world are committed Democrats.
[00:34:22]  One was at the BLM protests.
[00:34:24]  Many were at the pussy hat pink thing, you know, with all the women in the streets.
[00:34:31]  One campaign for Joe Biden.
[00:34:33]  These are not deal breakers for normal people, even though they're politic.
[00:34:36]  These are not.
[00:34:37]  This is a lunacy taking over part of the Democrat Party.
[00:34:42]  Well, look, I think Stu made a really important point here, which is the difference between private and public relationships, right?
[00:34:47]  The example that I had just given was to a theater performance where what I was describing was happening, was happening publicly, right?
[00:34:55]  In front of a bunch of people.
[00:34:56]  Now, conversely, you know, I have this experience all the time.
[00:35:00]  But like this summer, I went to cover the Moms for Liberty event in Philly.
[00:35:04]  And oh my God, there was just so much like hatred being spewed at them from like all over the place, Philadelphia, everybody, blah, blah, blah.
[00:35:12]  And, you know, one day I had filed my story and I went to go get like Tapas or something.
[00:35:16]  And I'm sitting there and I'm talking to these two women who are clearly Democrats.
[00:35:21]  They're like, oh, like, oh, you're covering, what do you do?
[00:35:23]  Who do you work for?
[00:35:23]  I'm like Fox News.
[00:35:24]  They're like, oh, well, I've never met anyone for him.
[00:35:27]  And we had a lovely conversation, right?

=== 70s Music and Radio (02:57) ===

[00:35:30]  And it was totally fine because there was nothing public about this.
[00:35:35]  This was not social media where their friends were going to be like, oh my goodness, what are you doing talking to him?
[00:35:40]  Right.
[00:35:41]  And this happens to me time and time again when I'm on the road.
[00:35:44]  And I don't know what the answer is other than, yeah, then maybe for the left to stop holding these purity tests over, you know, who your friends are because it sucks.
[00:35:57]  It's changed.
[00:35:58]  I do think it's changing.
[00:35:59]  It's worse now than it was 10 years ago.
[00:36:03]  Much.
[00:36:05]  I want to continue this, but I do want to tell you on the subject of Broadway, just as a quick aside, went with the kids to Back to the Future on Friday night.
[00:36:12]  Go.
[00:36:13]  Go.
[00:36:14]  My son loved it.
[00:36:14]  I haven't seen it.
[00:36:15]  My son saw it.
[00:36:15]  He said it was great.
[00:36:17]  Irrespective of your age, your background, your politics.
[00:36:21]  It's one of those shows everyone will love.
[00:36:23]  No, I'm not getting paid to say this.
[00:36:25]  It is brilliantly done.
[00:36:26]  It's so fun.
[00:36:28]  The songs are great.
[00:36:30]  The sets are great.
[00:36:31]  Really great.
[00:36:32]  The set design is actually amazing.
[00:36:34]  And the actor who plays George McFly, the dad of Marty McFly, is hysterical.
[00:36:44]  He's a great role.
[00:36:45]  Funny.
[00:36:46]  My husband does an imitation of him.
[00:36:48]  I won't try it, but I'm just telling you, go.
[00:36:50]  You come into New York and you're thinking about what show do I go to?
[00:36:53]  You don't want to spend so much money on a miss.
[00:36:55]  Go to Back to the Future.
[00:36:56]  If you don't like it, call me.
[00:36:57]  I'll send you a refund.
[00:36:58]  My son had an interesting point about Back to the Future, which is that, you know, there's that scene where Marty starts playing like, you know, thrasher guitar and like everybody is like, what are you doing?
[00:37:08]  And he's like, oh, you guys aren't ready for that yet.
[00:37:11]  But your kids are going to love it.
[00:37:12]  Yeah, but my son made the point that there's no modern equivalent of that, right?
[00:37:16]  Like, cause I'm about the age where like if I went back that far, I'd be going to 1993.
[00:37:22]  There's nothing I could play in 1993 that would make the people from my high school be like, oh my God, I've never heard anything.
[00:37:29]  I mean, it just doesn't exist.
[00:37:31]  True.
[00:37:32]  Well, and it's interesting because there was so much change, right?
[00:37:33]  Because the birth of rock and roll was in the 50s, which is the time they were going back to from 1985.
[00:37:39]  Yeah.
[00:37:39]  So there was such a dramatic change.
[00:37:41]  I mean, when we were growing up, like in the 70s, that was the music you'd hear on the radio a lot of the time.
[00:37:46]  You know, yes, you'd hear all these great 70s songs, which is a great era for music, but you'd hear all these 50 songs.
[00:37:51]  Like we were kind of new in the era of rock and roll and this new kind of music.
[00:37:56]  And the other thing is that we called them oldies, Megan.
[00:37:59]  And people today are kind enough not to refer to Duran Duran as an oldie.
[00:38:04]  Well, can I tell you something?
[00:38:05]  So, you know, Steve Krakau, the executive producer of this show, he's a lot younger.
[00:38:08]  He just turned 40 two weeks ago.
[00:38:10]  Happy birthday, Steve.
[00:38:11]  And when I said, I said, let's start the show with Moonshadow by Kat Stevens.
[00:38:18]  Steve's like, I don't know what that song.
[00:38:20]  I've never heard that.
[00:38:21]  So I'm like, come on.

=== Elon Musk Relationships (09:41) ===

[00:38:27]  Okay.
[00:38:27]  So Don Lemon.
[00:38:29]  All this divisiveness brings me to Don Lemon.
[00:38:31]  I am not going to make any comment on his wedding this weekend.
[00:38:34]  It got a lot of press.
[00:38:36]  The truth is I wish him well in his nuptials and I hope he and his husband are happy together.
[00:38:42]  However, in his new fledgling show, he had on actor D.L. Hughley and they had a pretty extraordinary exchange right along the lines of what the three of us have been discussing.
[00:38:56]  Listen here to the topic of whether you really can have relationships with people across the aisle.
[00:39:02]  I really do believe that having relationships with people and talking it out can change things.
[00:39:08]  Not in America.
[00:39:09]  Not anymore.
[00:39:10]  I had a different relationship with Spike, but I think that talking things out and having conversations can help.
[00:39:16]  But, you know, maybe I just, maybe I just learned my lesson for good for the last and final time.
[00:39:21]  God was saying, no, it doesn't work.
[00:39:23]  I hope it doesn't.
[00:39:23]  But why do you say not anymore in America?
[00:39:27]  Because I think they look at how strident people are.
[00:39:30]  Okay.
[00:39:30]  So you can't.
[00:39:31]  You can't have relationships with people across the aisle.
[00:39:36]  Not anymore, at least.
[00:39:37]  By the way, this guy, D.L. Hughley, came on my show on Fox News in 2016, and he was very much the same.
[00:39:44]  This is not a new reveal.
[00:39:45]  It's not anymore for him.
[00:39:47]  Listen to him then.
[00:39:48]  The Department of Justice found that the police officer, that the police there had endemic racism.
[00:39:53]  They found that.
[00:39:54]  Right.
[00:39:54]  But they also exonerated Officer Jerry.
[00:39:56]  That's not a problem.
[00:39:57]  And they found it.
[00:40:00]  And that Michael Brown was the aggressor.
[00:40:02]  Wow.
[00:40:03]  Here's what I'll say.
[00:40:03]  Don't wow me.
[00:40:05]  For you all to see one thing.
[00:40:06]  The only place racism doesn't exist is Fox News in the police department.
[00:40:10]  Could you hold the insults for a second so we can have a productive conversation?
[00:40:13]  You were going to make the points that whites see certain incidents differently than blacks do.
[00:40:17]  And we saw that in the O.J. Simpson case when the verdict came down.
[00:40:19]  Sure.
[00:40:20]  I'll give you that.
[00:40:20]  Most reasonable people will give you that.
[00:40:22]  But you know what shuts down all reasonable dialogue is throwing out the term racism before it's been proven.
[00:40:27]  It's very dangerous when you get to the point where you paint with an entire group with the same brush based on the bad actions of others.
[00:40:34]  That is amazing to hear on this network.
[00:40:36]  That really is.
[00:40:37]  That really is.
[00:40:37]  Amazing to hear on this network.
[00:40:39]  The only place where?
[00:40:47]  Same guy.
[00:40:48]  And so Lemon even bringing it up with him was false.
[00:40:51]  And let's be honest, Lemon pretending that he just wants to have conversations with people and like irrespective of their politics, you know, come together is also a lie.
[00:41:02]  He's the guy, as you guys all remember, who engaged in the most dripping with disdain and disgust for Trump voter clips of all time.
[00:41:13]  I'll give you just a flavor because it's a long one.
[00:41:15]  Just watch.
[00:41:16]  You remember.
[00:41:17]  Donald Trump couldn't find Ukraine on a map if you had the letter U and a picture of an actual physical crane next to it.
[00:41:23]  He knows that this is, you know, an administration defined by ignorance of the world.
[00:41:28]  The people who ate and abetted Trump are stupid.
[00:41:30]  I've lived in several red states.
[00:41:33]  There are a lot of friends who I had to really get rid of.
[00:41:35]  Credulous boomer rube demo that backs Donald Trump that wants to think that Donald Trump's a smart one and they're y'all elitist for them.
[00:41:45]  They're taking down the statues and crime is rising as they defund police.
[00:41:49]  Oh my gosh, it's so bad.
[00:41:51]  You voted for Trump.
[00:41:52]  You voted for the person who the Klan supported.
[00:41:57]  You voted for the person who Nazis support.
[00:42:00]  You elitist with your geography and your maps and your spelling, even though my math and your reading.
[00:42:06]  If you're not going to get vaccinated, you don't want to social distance, you don't want to wear a mask, then maybe you don't want to go to the hospital when you get sick.
[00:42:14]  We have to stop canonizing people.
[00:42:16]  You get it.
[00:42:16]  You get it.
[00:42:17]  Oh, God.
[00:42:18]  I forgot.
[00:42:19]  It's all about.
[00:42:20]  Megan, I had forgotten about the handoff between like Lemon and Cuomo and like those like two minutes of awfulness during or blocked out.
[00:42:30]  I maybe, oh my goodness.
[00:42:31]  Yeah, maybe blocked out.
[00:42:33]  Wow.
[00:42:34]  Just the falsity.
[00:42:35]  But I'm a person, you know, I just believe in having relationships with people and talking things out.
[00:42:40]  And that can really change things.
[00:42:43]  Bullshit.
[00:42:44]  Bullshit.
[00:42:46]  You heard him say right there, he had to get rid of his friends in the red states because they're so backwards.
[00:42:52]  And we interspliced a few clips in there, Stu, but you heard it.
[00:42:54]  You know, like those Republicans, you know, like thinking that, oh, those Democrats are those elites with their maps and their geography.
[00:43:02]  And he was hysterical.
[00:43:04]  Who does he think he's kidding, right?
[00:43:06]  That's what happens.
[00:43:07]  Ellie Mistell.
[00:43:08]  I'm sure that actress Jennifer Lawrence and Don Lemon, when they get in their leftist circles, just pat themselves on the back for how tolerant they are and what bigots the people on the right are.
[00:43:20]  The only reason we had to end every relationship with a red state person because they're so bad.
[00:43:26]  But we're still totally willing to have helpful, fruitful conversations.
[00:43:31]  I love that.
[00:43:32]  I love that spin you.
[00:43:33]  They're always happy to have fruitful conversations, as long as the fruit at the end of that conversation is what their policy desire is.
[00:43:40]  As long as you, they will always come halfway from their point to uh, the socialist point for a nice little uh, nice little uh, convergence of opinions.
[00:43:50]  Uh yeah, it's funny.
[00:43:51]  Dl Hugley was actually on uh on the show when I worked at CNN with Glenn Beck back in the day, very long time ago.
[00:43:57]  People don't remember this all that well uh, but we were on Headline news and he came on the uh the show and, and I would say, sort of outlined what he was talking about, the nicey.
[00:44:08]  I, oh I would always talk to people across the aisle.
[00:44:11]  He, maybe he was that guy.
[00:44:13]  Maybe something changed between you know, 2007 and 2016.
[00:44:17]  Maybe Glenn Beck was the one that screwed him up.
[00:44:19]  I I, I blame him for most.
[00:44:20]  Maybe it was me, maybe it was you, who knows.
[00:44:23]  Maybe you just set him on this path Megan, I don't know, but I mean, it's so false and it's like I come back to this over and over again, if you can't keep your friends because they disagree with you on politics, then you're weird you're, you're bad at being a friend right, like if look, let's be honest, it's the leftists who break up with the righties, I mean dude, I can't think of one conservative who's dumped a leftist friend that just I. In my experience, that just doesn't happen.
[00:44:49]  It goes the other way around.
[00:44:51]  Yes yes, it's only when you're completely antagonized.
[00:44:54]  I i've had a couple of friends who have been like hey, like I don't want to, let's just hey, we don't agree on politics.
[00:44:58]  Conservatives, and say we don't agree.
[00:45:00]  Agree on politics, I love you, but like we just don't agree on this stuff, let's just flesh it out of our lives.
[00:45:04]  Let's just not talk about that, let's talk about the things we we like agreeing with.
[00:45:08]  And and over and over again, it's the liberals who say, no, we must talk about this, it's too important.
[00:45:13]  And basically what they're saying is, i'm too important, what I think about the world is so important that our friendship is lower on the food chain than what, what my bumper stickers say on the back of my Prius.
[00:45:25]  And if that's you, you're bad.
[00:45:27]  One other thought.
[00:45:28]  Listen to him whining about still Elon Musk and what led to his termination.
[00:45:32]  He's in tears here, everything that they think about us.
[00:45:37]  You are different.
[00:45:38]  You didn't get angry, you weren't a victim, you didn't blame, you just did.
[00:45:44]  And even in this last thing, so I I can't, I can't tell you how proud it makes me to see people like you in a very public way, who handle uh animosity uh, who handle adversity and and and really I think, things that would shatter a lot of people to watch you do.
[00:46:00]  That made me very proud.
[00:46:01]  I think he's a white supremacist.
[00:46:02]  I think he supports the notions of white nationalism and I think having a black man asking them questions was something he wasn't going to take.
[00:46:09]  White supremacists, people are going to take.
[00:46:10]  You know, they're not going to take, they're not going to take that lightly, they're going to go.
[00:46:14]  Hey man you, you're saying that.
[00:46:17]  Okay, you're saying that Elon Musk is a white supremacist.
[00:46:20]  That's harsh, i'm saying.
[00:46:22]  I'm saying yes, i'm saying yes.
[00:46:26]  I'm saying if it walks like a duck, it talks like a duck, Great.
[00:46:33]  That's, I think those are fake tears, actually, now that I see it.
[00:46:37]  I didn't see a tear.
[00:46:38]  He grabbed a tissue and dabbed his eyes because we have to feel sorry for Don, because while Elon still lets him platform on X, he doesn't want to pay him the $5 million a year anymore because he got to know Don.
[00:46:49]  That's why.
[00:46:53]  That was also ridiculous.
[00:46:53]  It's also allergy season.
[00:46:55]  So I have a little issue too.
[00:46:56]  But no, I mean, it's also crazy.
[00:47:02]  I mean, it's, it's, you know, I'm sure Ugly believes this, but when you go around calling everybody a white supremacist, what clearly happens is that the word has no meaning.
[00:47:15]  And I mean, you know, you were talking about, you mentioned somebody earlier in the show, Megan, who was legitimately a white supremacist, a Nazi, like all of these things that we all used to agree, like, yes, of course, this can't be platformed.
[00:47:25]  If you pretend that that's the same as Elon Musk, you're really helping out the Nazis.
[00:47:30]  You're really doing them an enormous favor.
[00:47:34]  That's exactly right.
[00:47:36]  And yet they do it all the time, right?
[00:47:39]  Stu?
[00:47:39]  It's like, Dave's right.
[00:47:41]  It goes in one ear and out the other now.
[00:47:43]  And then you have to really pay attention to see, wait, who's genuinely bad?
[00:47:46]  Because we've all been lumped into this crew now.
[00:47:50]  Yeah, it doesn't help.
[00:47:51]  It doesn't help people who are actual victims of racism.
[00:47:54]  And, you know, I don't know.
[00:47:55]  Don London losing his $5 million a year is not something I'm going to cry about.
[00:48:00]  It's white supremacy.
[00:48:01]  Yeah, it's white supremacy.
[00:48:02]  People are saying, like, oh, he lost his job because of a conflict of or a conflict-filled interview with Elon Musk.

=== Women's Sports Finals (15:15) ===

[00:48:08]  No, Elon Musk just said, this is a dumb interview.
[00:48:10]  These questions are dumb.
[00:48:12]  And he just had no place for that.
[00:48:14]  Why am I going to pay somebody to say dumb things on my platform?
[00:48:17]  And I'm not going to send you to outer space and I'm not going to let you be in charge of news content on X.
[00:48:22]  And as I point out, he's basically opinion was: I've gotten to know you.
[00:48:26]  It's a no.
[00:48:27]  Stu and Dave, stay with us.
[00:48:29]  All the hard news is yet to come.
[00:48:30]  Don't go away.
[00:48:35]  Tonight is the big final in the men's NCAA championship.
[00:48:40]  It's going to be Purdue versus UConn.
[00:48:42]  Go, UConn.
[00:48:42]  I had them winning and I still have them winning in my bracket.
[00:48:45]  I have to say, I don't know if you watched the semifinal game, UConn versus Alabama, but it was unbelievable.
[00:48:53]  It was like these guys look like wizards out there.
[00:48:57]  They were superhuman.
[00:49:00]  UConn, and there were a couple of players on Alabama who, I mean, even to like a non-sports person like yours, truly, I just, my jaw was on the floor watching their amazing athleticism.
[00:49:12]  So very, very impressive.
[00:49:15]  I don't know Purdue, although I understand they have like a giant on their team, like some seven foot six guy.
[00:49:22]  Anybody, does anybody have UConn winning it tonight?
[00:49:26]  I think UConn will win.
[00:49:27]  Yeah, I think, I mean, honestly, they're running.
[00:49:29]  What did you call it in your bracket?
[00:49:31]  If you're a Johnny come lately, I don't know.
[00:49:33]  I don't care.
[00:49:34]  I think I had Marquette.
[00:49:35]  I think I had Marquette.
[00:49:37]  I think UConn's going to lose tonight.
[00:49:40]  No, I did watch the Alabama game and I thought that like, I thought they seemed for the first time to me, they seemed somewhat beatable.
[00:49:49]  So we'll see.
[00:49:50]  That's crazy talk.
[00:49:52]  I don't, I don't see.
[00:49:53]  I mean, I say this not only because I'm from Connecticut, but because they look like superhumans out there.
[00:49:58]  I can't imagine anybody beating them, but I don't know Purdue.
[00:50:00]  So I, and I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to sports.
[00:50:03]  So take it all with a hefty grain of salt.
[00:50:05]  Anyway, I'm not sure.
[00:50:06]  They're boilermakers.
[00:50:07]  It's not easy to make a boiler.
[00:50:08]  I don't know if you've ever made a boiler.
[00:50:10]  That's not an easy thing.
[00:50:12]  Yeah, they're the boilermakers, which is, I mean, what's UConn?
[00:50:15]  The Huskies?
[00:50:17]  Yeah.
[00:50:18]  Purdue is the Boilermakers?
[00:50:20]  Boilermakers.
[00:50:21]  Yeah.
[00:50:23]  I don't know what that is.
[00:50:24]  I don't, I don't get it.
[00:50:25]  The guy who makes boilers.
[00:50:27]  Actual Boils?
[00:50:28]  Boilers?
[00:50:29]  I mean, not Boils.
[00:50:31]  Would imagine.
[00:50:32]  Yeah, i'm sure one of your listeners.
[00:50:34]  I guess those are trains, I don't know.
[00:50:37]  I, what are they?
[00:50:41]  Old school trains, Mike Pico?
[00:50:43]  Thank you uh, our audio engineer.
[00:50:46]  Um okay, in any event, I think it's gonna be.
[00:50:48]  You come, but you know what?
[00:50:49]  I'll bet you 10 bucks Dave, and we'll come back and we'll redo it when uh when, we get the results.
[00:50:53]  Did you watch the women's final?
[00:50:56]  No, but wait a minute.
[00:50:57]  There's odds on this game began.
[00:50:59]  I mean, what are they?
[00:51:02]  I don't know.
[00:51:02]  I don't know how this works.
[00:51:03]  I, I don't bet on sporting events horse races yes, will you tell me what we're betting?
[00:51:07]  And i'm in because i'm no, tell me that's all, it's all.
[00:51:10]  Okay, it's all um, and we'll go along with whatever.
[00:51:14]  I watched the, the women, and it was a foul, I don't know.
[00:51:16]  Stu, did you see that play?
[00:51:17]  I thought it was a foul.
[00:51:18]  It was a foul.
[00:51:19]  Uh, you're starting in the final four game with uh, Iowa.
[00:51:21]  Yes, that was a foul.
[00:51:23]  Uh, I agree, in the finals it was Iowa versus South Carolina.
[00:51:27]  Yeah, that I didn't watch.
[00:51:29]  And Iowa has Caitlin Clark, who's become this huge star.
[00:51:33]  She's amazing and she's getting all this attention and some nasty press reporters are upset about it.
[00:51:41]  We read a piece on friday with this woman saying, the face of women's basketball has been black and it needs to stay black.
[00:51:48]  Okay racist, um.
[00:51:51]  So she's getting a lot of hate from people like that.
[00:51:55]  Of course, Jamel Hill is weighed in like a lot of people taking shots at her um, Lynette Woodward, who I didn't know I confess i'm not a big WNBA or NBA person but she came out to say her own scoring record stands, despite Caitlin Clark beating it, because I guess they didn't have three pointers when she was playing, which is just ridiculous.
[00:52:16]  Here she is in stout six.
[00:52:18]  Uh, I don't think my record has been broken.
[00:52:20]  Uh, because you can't duplicate what you're not duplicating.
[00:52:25]  So unless you come up with a men's basketball and have a two-point shot, i'm like you know you can understand, so you can help me.
[00:52:40]  Uh, spread that word.
[00:52:43]  What is that talk about?
[00:52:44]  Ungracious, and Sid Luckman was the greatest quarterback of all time because after him they had face masks.
[00:52:52]  I mean, like ridiculous.
[00:52:56]  Yeah, the sport changes right.
[00:52:58]  Well, it's like Jimmy Conner, you know?
[00:53:00]  Or or John Mcenroy, tennis rackets were about this big uh-huh.
[00:53:04]  Yeah it's.
[00:53:05]  It's weird because I mean, you know I, I grew up in Connecticut around the time that UCON became like a national powerhouse in both men's and women's basketball and it was a sort of thing that entire time that people like were demanding your attention for women's basketball.
[00:53:22]  It was almost like a this thing where you had to, you had to get into it because it was, it was, there was equality and you had to recognize the wonderful greatness of these athletes and of course they're, they're they.
[00:53:31]  They do great, amazing things and are great female basketball players.
[00:53:35]  But, like Caitlin Clark has done a totally different thing, she's captured the entire attention of the nation.
[00:53:42]  I have never I I never in my life would I imagine that I cared more about the women's basketball Final Four than the men's.
[00:53:48]  And that is exactly where I was this year because of her, solely because of her.
[00:53:53]  She has changed because she's an incredibly amazing player.
[00:53:57]  It has nothing to do with her personality.
[00:53:59]  It has nothing to do with anything.
[00:54:01]  It's just that she's just, she's completely changing the sport and doing things that are out of this world.
[00:54:08]  She's pulling up for shots that are as long or longer than Steph Curry and Dame Lillard in the NBA.
[00:54:15]  She's doing amazing things.
[00:54:17]  And because of that, people are engaged in it.
[00:54:19]  And it is fascinating to watch these old school players.
[00:54:23]  And of course, you'll always have these lines, you know, three-point lines of rule change.
[00:54:26]  It's not like some of these dumb racial complaints.
[00:54:29]  I understand the criticism, or at least the delineation there.
[00:54:33]  There's something to be said for that, I suppose.
[00:54:35]  But like at the end of the day, these rules change.
[00:54:37]  Sports evolve.
[00:54:38]  You know, LeBron James made a lot more three-pointers than Michael Jordan was.
[00:54:42]  I don't think anybody believes that Jordan couldn't have made a lot of threes if that was the game style of the time.
[00:54:48]  But at the end of the day, though, this is the thing that women's sports has been hoping for and praying for forever for people who are just sports fans to watch it just for the sport, not because they're guilted into it.
[00:55:00]  She's done this by herself and she's getting hate for it.
[00:55:04]  It's insane.
[00:55:05]  Honestly, I think the words you're looking for are thank you.
[00:55:08]  Those are the words you're looking for.
[00:55:10]  Thank you.
[00:55:10]  That's what you should be saying to Caitlin.
[00:55:12]  To his credit, LeBron James tweeted out in support of her as follows.
[00:55:16]  If you don't rock with Caitlin Clark game, you're just a flat out hater.
[00:55:21]  Stay far away from them people, please.
[00:55:23]  Right on.
[00:55:24]  You sound very natural reading LeBron James tweets, Megan.
[00:55:27]  I don't know if anyone's ever told you that before.
[00:55:29]  Is that a cold read or did you spend time at that?
[00:55:32]  It was a cold read.
[00:55:32]  I'm going to have to work on like, you know, I, too, am an actor now, Dave.
[00:55:35]  You're not the only actor on this set.
[00:55:37]  I'm starring in a cartoon.
[00:55:39]  I've been talking to the audience.
[00:55:40]  Oh, yeah, that's right.
[00:55:41]  No, you showed us.
[00:55:41]  That's awesome.
[00:55:42]  My acting chops.
[00:55:44]  So, wow.
[00:55:45]  Can we not get crazy here, though, people?
[00:55:47]  There is a ceiling for women's sports.
[00:55:49]  All right.
[00:55:50]  Like, you know, I was hanging out recently with MK Hammer, right?
[00:55:54]  And she's apparently a very good athlete.
[00:55:56]  And I said, I said, MK, this is going to sound horrible.
[00:55:58]  And I'm a big soccer fan, but it's just like women's soccer is just unwatchable.
[00:56:02]  It's just bad.
[00:56:03]  It's slow.
[00:56:04]  It just takes forever.
[00:56:05]  And she looked at me and she said, Dave, you're right.
[00:56:07]  So there's a ceiling here to her credit, right?
[00:56:11]  And I'm sure that when she was on the field, it felt much more exciting.
[00:56:14]  But there is a ceiling here.
[00:56:16]  And I think that we all have to stop pretending that the WNBA is ever going to be the NBA.
[00:56:21]  It's not going to be.
[00:56:22]  But I will defend women's soccer.
[00:56:24]  The only thing I don't like about women's soccer is Megan Rapino and her ilk.
[00:56:28]  I'm sick of these woke moralizers out there wearing our team jersey, bashing on America.
[00:56:33]  By the way, Megan Rapino's back at it on the wrong side of issues.
[00:56:37]  I'll get to that in a bit.
[00:56:39]  But look, I'll tell you this.
[00:56:41]  We watch girls' soccer all the time because my daughter's a soccer player and it's awesome.
[00:56:43]  It's fast and it's exciting and they're gunners.
[00:56:46]  It's not the same.
[00:56:47]  No, women's soccer well enough to defend it, you know, the way in response to what you just said.
[00:56:51]  I believe didn't the 15-year-old boys team of like Dallas FC beat the women's national team?
[00:56:58]  Well, that's a question about whether they're as good as the men.
[00:57:01]  But that's a question about whether they're as good as and, you know, as exciting as the men.
[00:57:07]  Right.
[00:57:07]  But exciting.
[00:57:07]  But that's different than they're just not exciting in their own right.
[00:57:10]  They need to play on a smaller field because there's times that I watch women's soccer when there's like a long pass and like the ball stops.
[00:57:17]  The ball should never stop.
[00:57:19]  That's you're watching the wrong game.
[00:57:21]  No, I'm telling you, my 12-year-old players can get it down the field.
[00:57:25]  All right.
[00:57:25]  So I want to say something else on the women's finals.
[00:57:29]  The coach of the South Carolina team, which was victorious, is named Dawn Staley.
[00:57:36]  And apparently she's a legend in women's basketball.
[00:57:39]  Now she's coaching.
[00:57:40]  And to his credit, Dan Zakszewski, he's over at Outkick Sports, got up before that game and put the question to both coaches, the one for Iowa punted and the one Dawn, who was coaching South Carolina, answered it as follows.
[00:57:56]  Listen to the QA here.
[00:57:58]  One of the major issues facing women's sports right now is the debate, discussion topic about the inclusion of transgender athletes, biological males in women's sports.
[00:58:07]  I was wondering if you would tell me your position on that issue.
[00:58:15]  Yeah, take a look.
[00:58:16]  Damn, you got deep on me, dude.
[00:58:25]  I'm on the, I mean, I'm on the opinion of if you're a woman, you should play.
[00:58:39]  If you consider yourself a woman and you want to play sports or vice versa, you should be able to play.
[00:58:47]  So now the barnstorm of people are going to flood my timeline and be a distraction to me on one of the biggest days of our game.
[00:59:01]  And I'm okay with that.
[00:59:03]  I really am.
[00:59:06]  Unbelievable.
[00:59:07]  Complete turncoat to womankind.
[00:59:10]  She gets out there, she gets to the position of power.
[00:59:12]  She gets all of her accolades and awards and all of this spawning praise and money.
[00:59:18]  And when she has a chance to do something for women coming up behind her, she pulls up the ladder and says, play against the men.
[00:59:24]  That's what she just did there.
[00:59:25]  And you've got these lefties all over like Megan Rapinoe calling her a national treasure, an ally, a revolutionary, because she's just as guilty.
[00:59:36]  There's this columnist over at USA Today, Sports, Nancy Armour, who's a repeat violator of women's rights.
[00:59:45]  She can't find the female athlete she wants to protect, who also tweeted out, Dawn Staley is a goddamn national treasure.
[00:59:53]  You're a goddamn national disgrace, madam, because you have a pen in a very large newspaper dwindling though by the day.
[01:00:01]  And you too could stand up for women, but you're too cowardly to do it.
[01:00:05]  And you know why?
[01:00:06]  You're not a mother.
[01:00:07]  You don't have to worry about your daughter having to face some six foot four man out on the basketball court like I do.
[01:00:16]  So I don't want to hear from you.
[01:00:18]  Dawn Armour or Nancy Armour's bio calls herself.
[01:00:23]  She calls herself a proud aunt of three boys.
[01:00:25]  So she doesn't even have nieces.
[01:00:27]  And she says, I don't have all the answers, but I'm always looking for more of them.
[01:00:32]  I've got one for you, Nancy.
[01:00:33]  Shut the fuck up until you know what you're talking about.
[01:00:36]  Because girls are getting hurt by male basketball players posing as girls.
[01:00:41]  I take you out to Massachusetts where Lowell was playing in a game.
[01:00:47]  The Lowell School was playing in a game.
[01:00:48]  And they had to call it at the half because three players got hurt.
[01:00:52]  Look at this girl in the black shirt go down.
[01:00:54]  That's a man pretending to be a girl who took the ball from her.
[01:00:57]  Look at her.
[01:00:58]  You watch this, Nancy, Dawn.
[01:01:01]  You two watch this.
[01:01:03]  Look at her writhing in pain after she was injured by a boy pretending to be a girl, trying to get up.
[01:01:11]  She can't.
[01:01:12]  She's so hurt.
[01:01:13]  Three others, two others, three total, got hurt.
[01:01:16]  They called the game.
[01:01:17]  It's happening over and over and over and over.
[01:01:20]  I'm so sick of these women who are so terrified of the woke mob or trying to shore up their own bona fides with this crowd, afraid to say what they know is right, which is it's not safe and it's not fair.
[01:01:34]  And I have a daughter who played basketball just weeks ago.
[01:01:40]  And the thought of her going up against a biological man on that court is terrifying.
[01:01:45]  She would be in danger.
[01:01:46]  But because this legend, Dawn, decides to look woke and empathetic, she's endangered her.
[01:01:54]  And all the other girls who play in this sport, I'm just, we've had this discussion before, you guys.
[01:01:59]  I just get so fired up about it because not even a nod, not even a nod toward the issues that biological girls will face if this does get permitted.
[01:02:07]  And by the way, it's technically okay right now in the NCAA.
[01:02:11]  David, what are your thoughts?
[01:02:13]  Yeah, I mean, look, there actually was a nod, right?
[01:02:15]  It was a silent nod.
[01:02:17]  It was the 17 and a half minutes that it took Dawn Staley to answer the question between sips of water, right?
[01:02:25]  Because she knows.
[01:02:26]  She knows how abjectly absurd this is.
[01:02:29]  Everybody involved in the conversation knows how abjectly absurd it is.
[01:02:33]  You show that video or you show the picture of Leah Thomas towering over, you know, the women who she just beat in a swimming event.
[01:02:42]  You know, you can't convince the American people that this is normal or this is okay.
[01:02:48]  Right now, Don Staley doesn't have to deal with it, right?
[01:02:52]  I guarantee you, Megan, had 20 minutes later, Iowa decided, you know what, we're going to start the center from the men's basketball team.
[01:03:03]  Because lo and behold, he suddenly just decided he's a woman.
[01:03:07]  I bet Don Staley would have had a problem with that, right?
[01:03:10]  And until people are confronted with it, they're willing to say, oh, well, it's none of your business.
[01:03:14]  What's the difference?
[01:03:15]  You go back to the germ of the whole trans issue.
[01:03:18]  And that was the number one argument.
[01:03:19]  The number one argument was, come on, guys, this is 0.000% of the population.

=== Football Team Gender Issues (04:49) ===

[01:03:24]  It doesn't have any impact on your life.
[01:03:26]  Well, that changed because there's women's prisons, there's women's shelters, there's women's sports, there's actual public policy at stake here.
[01:03:33]  And so Dawn Staley is a coward.
[01:03:36]  She proved herself to be a coward.
[01:03:37]  And what else is new?
[01:03:39]  She is a coward.
[01:03:41]  I'm sorry.
[01:03:41]  She's a coward.
[01:03:42]  You're right.
[01:03:43]  This isn't her first foray into the social justice wars.
[01:03:46]  And we've seen the evidence of it in the past, too.
[01:03:49]  She was in 2021.
[01:03:51]  She was behind her team.
[01:03:53]  I had no problem with them taking the knee when we played the national anthem.
[01:03:57]  I think we've got video of it.
[01:04:00]  Stand by.
[01:04:02]  That's her team all squatting down.
[01:04:06]  The reason the national anthem was playing, all coaches stood.
[01:04:11]  She thought it was fine.
[01:04:12]  She's tweeted out quite a bit on the social justice wars after Jacob Blake had his run-in with cops in Wisconsin, where he pulled a knife on them and then wound up shot.
[01:04:23]  She said the reporting was she hopped on Zoom calls with local reporters, knowing she was the only prominent black coach at South Carolina to speak about Jacob Blake.
[01:04:33]  She tweeted, past ridiculous, with yet another black man shot by cops in front of our very eyes.
[01:04:40]  How many more before we see this end?
[01:04:43]  I'm all for canceling all things sports to focus on this matter.
[01:04:46]  Hashtag BLM.
[01:04:49]  When a disgruntled fan, disgruntled, claimed to be done with Staley after her support of Jacob Blake, she vowed to be herself.
[01:04:55]  Take it, leave it.
[01:04:57]  I'll leave it, madam.
[01:04:58]  I'll leave it because you're coming at these issues from a place of over-emotionality and not facts.
[01:05:06]  And facts are what is important, right?
[01:05:08]  We're supposed to care and protect our daughters.
[01:05:11]  That's supposed to be something obvious.
[01:05:12]  My son is 12 years old and plays a lot of sports.
[01:05:15]  The biggest, strongest kid on his baseball team also plays football.
[01:05:20]  And last year while playing tackle football, he broke his back in a game, 12 years old.
[01:05:26]  Now, thankfully, he is fully recovered, but he's a really strong kid, a big kid.
[01:05:32]  And you think about this type of thing when you're talking about a sport where contact is involved and in basketball, it is.
[01:05:38]  It's a part of the game.
[01:05:40]  You put up girls against boys in that realm.
[01:05:45]  Like really bad things can happen.
[01:05:47]  We should be doing everything we can to protect women.
[01:05:49]  And a lot of people would think, well, football is a different thing.
[01:05:53]  It's a physical sport.
[01:05:54]  And it's true, but why do you think it's a different thing?
[01:05:57]  If there's no difference between these genders, if there's no problem with this, why wouldn't you want your daughter playing football with a bunch of boys?
[01:06:04]  You wouldn't because it's insane.
[01:06:07]  It's obviously insane.
[01:06:09]  And I just, you watch this and you can't believe people come to these conclusions.
[01:06:13]  And I will say on her answer in particular, if it's taking you that long to answer, there's a reason for it.
[01:06:22]  You know what you're seeing.
[01:06:23]  You know there's some line you're trying to walk.
[01:06:25]  Honestly, if it takes that long, that was about the most egregious example I've ever seen.
[01:06:28]  If it takes you that long to answer a question, the only thing you should do at that point is fake a medical condition.
[01:06:33]  Just like act like you're about to faint and fall over.
[01:06:36]  It's your only way out of it.
[01:06:38]  Well, the other, the other, you can, here's how the other coach, the coach of Iowa responded, which in her, in defense of Don Staley, the other coach went second.
[01:06:50]  So it was probably easier, right?
[01:06:51]  Because she was conferring with her team.
[01:06:53]  Holy shit, they're going to ask me that question.
[01:06:55]  Here's how she answered.
[01:06:57]  Well, thank you for the question.
[01:07:00]  You know, I understand it's a topic that people are interested in.
[01:07:03]  But today, my focus is on the game tomorrow, my players.
[01:07:08]  It's an important game we have tomorrow, and that's what I want to be here to talk about.
[01:07:12]  But I know it's an important issue for another time.
[01:07:16]  Better, better.
[01:07:18]  By the way, it wasn't just Lynn, Massachusetts, where a six-foot-tall male tried to play against girls.
[01:07:26]  And in that particular instance, I told you three girls got hurt.
[01:07:29]  In San Francisco, we just saw this at Waldorf High School.
[01:07:33]  The captain of the girls team, a boy, Henry, competed in girls' sports for at least the last three years, ranked number four in scoring in the North Coast section of California with an average of 20.8 points per game.
[01:07:48]  And at a January game, scored 26 points, towering, towering over the girls.
[01:07:55]  Don Staley wants a whole lot more of it.
[01:07:58]  I don't want my kid having anything to do with that NCAA or women's NBA.
[01:08:04]  It's wrong.
[01:08:04]  It's wrong on just so many levels.
[01:08:06]  And more of us need to say it.
[01:08:07]  Okay, let's get to some harder news.
[01:08:09]  It's like, we've done the show in reverse today.
[01:08:10]  Normally we do like some hard news and more culture.

=== RFK Jr Pro Life Stance (13:33) ===

[01:08:13]  But Trump weighs in big with his stance on abortion.
[01:08:18]  He teased that this was coming last night.
[01:08:21]  And look, I don't really see any change in Trump's positions all along.
[01:08:26]  You know, he's never been some diehard social conservative.
[01:08:29]  He never kind of claimed otherwise, but he's come out now to try to thread the needle on abortion.
[01:08:34]  The three of us have talked about this issue too, and whether the Republicans need to get more realistic on their messaging if they want to win elections.
[01:08:40]  That seems to be where Trump landed.
[01:08:42]  He is getting blowback from the left and the right on this, which probably means he's doing it right.
[01:08:47]  But you tell me, here's a bit of Trump on the issue.
[01:08:51]  The Republican Party should always be on the side of the miracle of life and the side of mothers, father, their beautiful babies.
[01:08:58]  And that's what we are.
[01:09:00]  IVF is an important part of that.
[01:09:02]  And our great Republican Party will always be with you.
[01:09:05]  It must be remembered that the Democrats are the radical ones on this position because they support abortion up to and even beyond the ninth month.
[01:09:15]  My view is now that we have abortion where everybody wanted it from a legal standpoint, the states will determine by vote or legislation or perhaps both.
[01:09:24]  And whatever they decide must be the law of the land.
[01:09:28]  In this case, the law of the state.
[01:09:31]  Like Ronald Reagan, I am strongly in favor of exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother.
[01:09:38]  You must follow your heart of this issue, but remember, you must also win elections to restore our culture and, in fact, to save our country, which is currently and very sadly a nation in decline.
[01:09:50]  Always go by your heart, but we must win.
[01:09:54]  We have to win.
[01:09:57]  There it is at the end.
[01:09:58]  But as I say, blowback from both sides.
[01:10:01]  I'll give you just an example.
[01:10:02]  Our friend Allie Beth Stuckey, who is very Christian conservative, responds, weak, weak statement.
[01:10:09]  That is a signal for independents who will never vote for him anyway.
[01:10:12]  She writes, IVF involves eugenics, the indefinite freezing of embryos and the mass discarding of embryos because he also defended IVF.
[01:10:21]  Babies conceived via rape and incest are just as much babies as any other.
[01:10:25]  Why do they deserve the death penalty for the circumstances of their conception?
[01:10:28]  This simply is not a pro-life statement.
[01:10:31]  And then the left is freaking out that he acknowledges his role in getting Roe overturned.
[01:10:38]  So, Stu, what do you make of the statement?
[01:10:41]  I mean, I think it's an appropriate pragmatic statement for the politics of today.
[01:10:47]  I mean, it's kind of what the Supreme Court said.
[01:10:49]  There was rumors of him just, you know, thinking about a 14 to 16 week ban rolled out nationally, which I don't think makes much sense.
[01:10:58]  First of all, it only would stop about 5% of abortions anyway.
[01:11:03]  So it's not going to please the pro-life side.
[01:11:05]  Another from the pro-life side, it would not, I think, would give people an excuse to never address the issue again.
[01:11:09]  And that's why it would scare me as someone who is pro-life.
[01:11:14]  Constitutionally, I would prefer it to be, there'd be a constitutional amendment to prevent it.
[01:11:18]  That's my position.
[01:11:19]  But my position is not very, very popular.
[01:11:22]  And so him thinking as a politician, I can see why pragmatically it would make more sense.
[01:11:27]  This is what the Supreme Court said.
[01:11:28]  I think there are some Supreme Court issues with the idea of a national ban, particularly of how they explained in that ruling what they believed the role of the states were.
[01:11:39]  I don't think that necessarily passing a ban like that would even pass constitutional muster.
[01:11:44]  I think an amendment would be something I would definitely support, but that's not something Donald Trump, I think, feels in his heart.
[01:11:49]  He has a record for pro-lifers that I think you'd have to be proud of as a pro-lifer.
[01:11:54]  I never thought I would see the day that Roe versus Wade was overturned.
[01:11:57]  And the fact that that happened, he deserves a significant amount of credit for.
[01:12:02]  But you're right.
[01:12:02]  It's never been his hardcore position.
[01:12:05]  He's not an ideologue on this.
[01:12:07]  This is something that I think he believes the pro-life cause is the right side, but he is, I think, more concerned with being elected right now.
[01:12:15]  And that was the tone of the statement.
[01:12:18]  I think it's probably good for the next year of politics.
[01:12:23]  I don't think it's the right moral stance long term, but I agree with Allie on some of what she said there.
[01:12:29]  But I do think when it comes down to where he should stand, the choice is being between a pushing for a 14-week ban, which while it polls really well, I mean, that polls really well.
[01:12:42]  60, 70, 80% of Americans agree with it when you ask them outside of politics whether they want a ban at that age or that gestation.
[01:12:50]  But still, like when it comes down to politics, that's not where the country is right now.
[01:12:54]  And of course, we see in election after election, this is what the Democrats are targeting the right with.
[01:13:00]  They are trying to win elections based on this.
[01:13:02]  If they've had some success doing it, I think he's trying to sidestep it.
[01:13:06]  You know, Dave, Paul Sperry, who writes for Real Clear Politics, does investigations over there, tweeted out the following.
[01:13:12]  Barring a black swan event, the two biggest game changers this election will be RFK Jr. on the ballot and abortion on the ballot.
[01:13:20]  The Democrats have a, they have a good one here.
[01:13:22]  They got a live one, and it is driving their base to turn out.
[01:13:27]  We've seen that in every single election, whether it's special or midterm, after Dobbs, which overruled Roe.
[01:13:33]  I mean, I think Trump, whatever you say about Trump, he's got political acumen in spades.
[01:13:40]  And I think he sees this.
[01:13:41]  He sees this coming at him.
[01:13:42]  RFK, a junior on the ballot helps Trump.
[01:13:44]  Abortion does not.
[01:13:47]  Look, I think that this is the right move from Trump.
[01:13:51]  I'm very sympathetic to everything that Ali Beth said as a pro-life Catholic.
[01:13:56]  I think that every abortion is the horrific ending of a human life, right?
[01:14:01]  But I almost view abortion in a sense in the way that I view racism and that you can only legislate it up to a point, right?
[01:14:10]  There's a point at which you can say, like, okay, you can't have overt discrimination.
[01:14:15]  There's things you can do.
[01:14:16]  But ultimately, for a society to overcome racism, the law can't do that.
[01:14:21]  The society has to do it.
[01:14:23]  People have to decide, no, this is not acceptable.
[01:14:25]  This is irrational.
[01:14:26]  This is bad.
[01:14:27]  That's where our society has to arrive at in abortion.
[01:14:33]  And I think that Trump's state-by-state approach actually kind of offers an opportunity here in that states can be laboratories, right?
[01:14:42]  There are going to be red states where it's going to be very difficult to obtain an abortion.
[01:14:46]  It is going to be the responsibility of the people in those states to figure out what do we do with these moms?
[01:14:52]  What do we do with these kids?
[01:14:54]  How are we going to make this work?
[01:14:55]  And if we're able to do that in red states, if we're able to create a reasonable path forward, I think that has the opportunity to do a lot more to save lives and to limit abortion than these sort of like very online or very on-TV political fights.
[01:15:16]  I think he had to do it.
[01:15:17]  And he says over and over and there, we must win.
[01:15:20]  We must win.
[01:15:21]  We must win.
[01:15:22]  And it's fine to stand on principle from the sidelines while the Democrats take over everything, the White House, the Senate, and the House.
[01:15:30]  What's going to happen to the unborn babies then?
[01:15:33]  What's going to happen to all life issues then?
[01:15:36]  Trump's thinking strategically, and that's what one must do in order to win elections, not just the presidency, but the Senate, which controls the Supreme Court confirmations and beyond.
[01:15:47]  So that's just a reality of governing.
[01:15:49]  People need to understand that.
[01:15:51]  On the subject of RFKJ, you know, I never know how to pronounce his name, Senk Uyghur.
[01:15:58]  How do you pronounce his name?
[01:15:59]  He's in the show, right?
[01:16:00]  Isn't it?
[01:16:00]  I think it's Jenk.
[01:16:01]  Chenk.
[01:16:02]  Chenk, Jenk.
[01:16:03]  Okay.
[01:16:04]  Forgive me.
[01:16:05]  I've seen it written a million times, but I've rarely heard it pronounced.
[01:16:09]  I actually watch his show.
[01:16:12]  But he's a voice on the left that makes a lot of noise.
[01:16:15]  And sometimes I agree with the guy and sometimes I don't.
[01:16:19]  He has come out to say, and he did sort of like a fig leaf run for president where he knew he couldn't win.
[01:16:27]  He was born in Turkey.
[01:16:28]  So we don't allow people not born in the United States to run for president, but he was trying to make a point about Joe Biden.
[01:16:33]  Didn't go anywhere.
[01:16:35]  And now he's come out and said he's actually considering voting for RFKJ.
[01:16:40]  Listen here.
[01:16:42]  The headlines are wrong.
[01:16:43]  He didn't say that Biden is definitely a bigger threat.
[01:16:46]  He said he could make an argument for that.
[01:16:48]  He's right to be concerned about Biden being a threat to democracy himself.
[01:16:52]  They love to rig elections.
[01:16:54]  Yes, I use the word rigged.
[01:16:56]  Okay.
[01:16:56]  So you can go cry about it if you're mainstream media.
[01:16:58]  How about you do your job and talk about how they canceled the election in Florida in the primary and just declared Biden the winner?
[01:17:05]  So if you're going to make the argument that you're a champion of democracy, you should probably try it in your own primaries.
[01:17:11]  For the first time today, I'm now considering RFK Jr.
[01:17:18]  So he's not alone.
[01:17:19]  He's not alone.
[01:17:20]  There was a fair amount of talk about RFKJ online.
[01:17:25]  Some saying, okay, I know it's anecdotal, but, you know, like a lot of my friends are voting for him.
[01:17:31]  More and more people are considering him.
[01:17:32]  People who just can't pull the lever for Trump, people who have had it with this Democrat Party.
[01:17:38]  I don't think the guy has any real chance of actually, you know, winning.
[01:17:41]  But the point is, he really could be a massive spoiler, in particular for the Democrats, as Paul Sperry points out this fall.
[01:17:49]  And I think while the Democrats really hoped he would have faded into obscurity by now, he hasn't.
[01:17:54]  He's still running it over like 11% and getting on the ballot.
[01:17:59]  Now that he's named as vice president, he can get on the ballot even more of the swing states.
[01:18:02]  And that's all it takes.
[01:18:03]  That would tip the election by all these polls, Stu, to Trump.
[01:18:08]  Yeah, I think there was a question about that going in.
[01:18:10]  I mean, obviously, RFK Jr. played a lot for the right when he was actually in the Democratic primary.
[01:18:19]  He was trying to separate himself, I think, from Biden.
[01:18:23]  And of course, his views have come, certainly his COVID views in particular, were very popular among conservative voters.
[01:18:30]  So there's some question going in.
[01:18:32]  He was going on conservative podcasts.
[01:18:34]  He was all over conservative media.
[01:18:36]  And there's a question going in who he would hurt more.
[01:18:38]  I mean, I looked at now dozens and dozens and dozens of polls.
[01:18:41]  I think the answer is he hurts Biden more, at least right now, unless something changes.
[01:18:46]  It's not a complete blowaway in that.
[01:18:48]  Sometimes I think you can see equal poll from both sides, but generally speaking, I think it's affecting Biden more.
[01:18:56]  And I think that's appropriate.
[01:18:57]  You know, are there conservative voters I know who sound a little bit like Jank or Sink, whatever his name is, who thinks Jank Uger.
[01:19:07]  You pronounce it, Jank, Jank, Uger, with apologies, Mr. Uger, because I've been butchering it here.
[01:19:12]  Go ahead.
[01:19:13]  I've been doing it for multiple years, don't worry.
[01:19:15]  But yeah, Jank Uger, you know, a lot of people I've talked to on the conservative side sound a little bit like him.
[01:19:21]  Like, I'm not, you know, maybe they're not the biggest Trump fan.
[01:19:24]  And they think, well, I liked what RFK Jr. said about COVID and vaccine mandates.
[01:19:30]  And I like what he sort of found a newfound border hawk inside of him, which I'm highly skeptical of.
[01:19:39]  But like when you look at RFK Jr.'s viewpoints overall, this is a man who went on stage in front of hundreds of thousands of people and said that Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck should be tried for treason because of their climate views.
[01:19:56]  Oh, RFKJ?
[01:19:57]  RFKJ did this.
[01:19:59]  This is a, and we all know what the Constitution calls for when it comes to a treason punishment.
[01:20:08]  The punishment is death.
[01:20:10]  This is a person who would absolutely love to control every single aspect of your life when it comes to what kind of energy you use, what kind of car you buy.
[01:20:20]  He is an absolute extremist on this stuff.
[01:20:24]  And most of his views line up to what we would call an old school liberal, someone from back in the day.
[01:20:32]  One of the reasons why the right has affinity to him right now is because a lot of people on the right oppose, for example, funding Ukraine.
[01:20:40]  And RFK Jr. has not bought into the new Democratic alignment where now we're supposed to fund all these foreign wars.
[01:20:47]  He's that old school Democrat.
[01:20:49]  And that's why I think he appeals to a lot of people on the left.
[01:20:53]  And I think he will hurt Biden more.
[01:20:55]  He does have his overall policy set is absolutely very, very liberal.
[01:21:00]  And I think conservative voters should be very wary of falling in love with one or two of his somewhat newfound views that appeal to the right.
[01:21:09]  He is absolute died in the wool liberal going back many, many years.
[01:21:12]  And that's not going to change.
[01:21:13]  If he gets in power, he is not going to, I mean, he's not going to win, as you point out.
[01:21:18]  But if he were to win, he would not hesitate to use the power of that office in ways you would not like.
[01:21:25]  But as a spoiler, who pulls votes from Biden, if you don't want a second Biden term, you got to be feeling pretty good about his presence in this race and the fact that it's sustaining and he's going to get on more ballots in more swing states.
[01:21:40]  And people like Jank are migrating over to him because they've had it with the Democratic Party.

=== VP Candidate Selection (14:58) ===

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[01:22:57]  So the speculation over Trump's VP pick continues and it's starting to get a little louder.
[01:23:05]  Politico has a piece out today saying the campaign has already hired an outside firm to vet candidates and prepare research documents.
[01:23:11]  The names under consideration continue to be in flux, according to multiple people familiar with the list, who describe it as being in pencil, not in pen.
[01:23:19]  He's going to draw this out apprentice style.
[01:23:22]  That sounds like Trump.
[01:23:23]  Senator Tommy Tuberville, Republican from Alabama, says, all I can tell you is if you're hearing any names, it ain't going to be them.
[01:23:30]  It's all propaganda.
[01:23:32]  But for what it's worth, Politico says, said to be on the list, number one, well, not in any particular order, but listed in this order in Politico.
[01:23:41]  Tim Scott, Christy Noam, Byron Donalds, Elise Stefanik, Tulsi Gabber, JD Vance, Katie Britt, Marco Rubio, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, and Doug Bergham.
[01:23:51]  And there was reporting over on Morning Wire where Dave Marcus also reports around Tim Scott being perhaps receiving more weight than those others, Dave.
[01:24:01]  So what do you think?
[01:24:03]  Do you think Tim Scott does have a better chance or do you think it's in the Tuberville camp of if you're hearing a name, it ain't going to be them?
[01:24:11]  I stand with Morning Wire.
[01:24:13]  No, no, I do.
[01:24:16]  I don't know if that was Cab.
[01:24:17]  I don't know who that was.
[01:24:17]  If it was Cabot, I didn't catch it.
[01:24:20]  Was it Megan Bash?
[01:24:22]  Megan.
[01:24:22]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:24:22]  Well, look, Megan's very often right.
[01:24:26]  Yeah, look, I think Tim Scott makes lots of sense for very obvious reasons that people have talked about quite a bit.
[01:24:35]  Personally, I think Rubio is a guy who, to me, makes the most sense.
[01:24:39]  I think that, you know, what's the line in Rocky, you know, that they fill gaps with each other.
[01:24:45]  I feel like Rubio fills some of those gaps in a way that's somewhat similar to Pence, although Rubio is a little more sort of foreign policy.
[01:24:53]  That's where I think Rubio helps him.
[01:24:55]  But listen, I think it could be any of those people.
[01:24:58]  I think it probably doesn't matter much in terms of how the election plays out.
[01:25:03]  I think it matters an awful lot in terms of the future of the Republican Party, though.
[01:25:07]  And I think that either a Tim Scott or a Marco Rubio might be a little scary to the hardcore MAGA people who want to keep Trump's circle very small, who want to keep everybody else out.
[01:25:22]  I think either of those choices would sort of open Trump world in a way that they wouldn't be completely comfortable with.
[01:25:27]  Does that make sense?
[01:25:29]  Okay, but now the problem with Rubio is if this is a tight election, it can't be Rubio because they're both from Florida.
[01:25:36]  It's this thing with the 12th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which says that electors cannot vote for both a president and vice president from their own state, taking it face value, quoting here from a Miami Herald piece explaining it.
[01:25:49]  That would prevent Florida's 30 presidential electors from voting for a hypothetical Trump-Rubio ticket.
[01:25:55]  And there's no way in which Trump can lose the electoral votes of Florida.
[01:25:59]  I mean, it would take quite the landslide.
[01:26:01]  That's not a risk he's likely to take.
[01:26:03]  And neither man is likely to leave Florida before November.
[01:26:06]  So as, you know, their home state.
[01:26:08]  So anyway.
[01:26:08]  I mean, if that's a problem.
[01:26:09]  If we're talking about them, though, they've got to have some way of, I mean, you know, Trump moves back to New York.
[01:26:15]  I don't know.
[01:26:15]  Yeah.
[01:26:16]  Not with Letitia James as the civil court at every turn.
[01:26:22]  I don't know if he wants to go back there, but is Rubio that important to Trump?
[01:26:26]  I don't know.
[01:26:26]  Go ahead, Stu.
[01:26:27]  Yeah.
[01:26:27]  Yeah.
[01:26:27]  He's got buildings all over the country.
[01:26:29]  He could theoretically move.
[01:26:30]  I mean, Cheney did this back with Bush back in the day because he wanted to go to Wyoming to make this happen.
[01:26:35]  It can be done.
[01:26:37]  I'm with you, though.
[01:26:38]  I'm not really convinced that I don't know.
[01:26:40]  It doesn't seem like it would be an interesting move.
[01:26:43]  I mean, I think the base at this point seems very anti, as I was mentioning before, like the Ukraine war and funding Ukraine, where, you know, Rubio is pretty aggressive on that front.
[01:26:53]  They would disagree, I think, on foreign policy a decent amount.
[01:26:58]  It's interesting, too.
[01:26:59]  I think like, I was thinking about this from Trump's perspective.
[01:27:03]  I think to him, the vice president is basically meaningless, right?
[01:27:06]  Like it's him.
[01:27:07]  He's the president of the United States.
[01:27:08]  He's Donald Trump.
[01:27:09]  He's making these decisions.
[01:27:11]  I don't think, I think he thinks of someone that might be able to help him on the fringes.
[01:27:15]  But if you think about after going through what he went through in 2020, to me, I think the most important thing to him would be someone that in a moment like that would not find some sort of constitutional conscience that would prevent him from taking the steps that he believes are right.
[01:27:33]  Forget what you think about 2020 and all the stuff that went on.
[01:27:36]  I tend to think that Mike Pence did very much the right thing back then.
[01:27:40]  But I don't, you know, Donald Trump doesn't.
[01:27:43]  I would think that anyone he believes is going to stand up to him in a moment like that is off the table immediately.
[01:27:50]  And I don't know, I would argue probably Rubio would fall into that.
[01:27:54]  You know, people have brought up Christy Noam, which I think is an interesting person because Christy is someone who's backed Trump from the beginning, backed most of the stuff he said publicly right out of central casting, which is what Donald Trump says all the time.
[01:28:10]  And also is someone who is, while she is smart and an interesting figure, is not particularly like electric as a speaker, not someone who's like a Vivek Ramaswamy, who might be someone who's going to take a lot of attention away from Trump.
[01:28:24]  I think Trump wants someone who's not mentioned on this list.
[01:28:26]  Christy Noam, as you point out, Central Casting, she is very popular, governor of South Dakota.
[01:28:32]  She's also very attractive.
[01:28:34]  And Trump does care.
[01:28:35]  He does.
[01:28:36]  He basically sees people as, you know, what number are you on the one through 10 scale?
[01:28:43]  And I mean, I'm not going to say who, but I know somebody who went to the White House for a visit and this person was there with their wife.
[01:28:53]  And Trump said to the husband, your wife's A and gave her a number, gave the guy's wife Trump's number.
[01:29:04]  Okay, so he cares.
[01:29:06]  He cares about attractiveness, which the audience can make up their own minds, whether that rules in or out the list I just read.
[01:29:13]  Keep going, Stu.
[01:29:14]  I interrupted you.
[01:29:15]  No, no, I think that is part of the equation.
[01:29:18]  Look, Trump, of course, recognizes, as you mentioned, with his apprentice sort of roll out of this, he recognizes the drama of these moments.
[01:29:24]  He recognizes these are television moments at some point.
[01:29:26]  And I think he wants, look, he wants someone who is competent that, God forbid, if something happened to him, they would be able to do the job.
[01:29:32]  You know, Mike Pence certainly fell into that.
[01:29:35]  But, you know, I think his calculation here has to be somebody he thinks it would line up with him in one of those moments.
[01:29:44]  And I, I, there's a lot of, you know, like Ted Cruz has been mentioned.
[01:29:47]  Cruz, look, Cruz is an interesting guy.
[01:29:51]  I think he'd be a very good defender of Donald Trump.
[01:29:54]  He's obviously very, very smart, does a lot of things well.
[01:29:57]  I don't know that he's particularly as well liked as, you know, nationally as I'd prefer his policies to be.
[01:30:04]  But I think at the end of the day, Ted Cruz loves the Constitution.
[01:30:08]  He can recite it from memory.
[01:30:10]  I don't think that's the type of person he wants there.
[01:30:12]  I think he wants someone who's going to see his way on these in these big moments.
[01:30:17]  Christy Noam, I think, falls into that category and she kind of checks all the boxes.
[01:30:22]  So that would be an interesting one.
[01:30:23]  The other one, too, we always talk about vilifying the sort of identity politics thing.
[01:30:29]  And Donald Trump famously says he doesn't care about this.
[01:30:33]  I'm fascinated by how many of the candidates kind of fall into this.
[01:30:37]  Well, it's got to be either a woman or a person of color or whatever.
[01:30:41]  One of the people that I think makes a lot of sense for him is JD Vance.
[01:30:45]  Vance is kind of an intellectual when it comes to this sort of Trumpian view.
[01:30:51]  He's a vigorous defender of his policies.
[01:30:54]  And he's famous.
[01:30:55]  He's good on television.
[01:30:55]  He's going to like that.
[01:30:56]  He's famous.
[01:30:57]  He likes things.
[01:30:58]  He knows media.
[01:30:59]  He knows how to do television.
[01:31:00]  He'd be good in a debate.
[01:31:02]  I mean, there's a lot there.
[01:31:03]  An amazing story.
[01:31:05]  Amazing.
[01:31:06]  I mean, go back and read his book, Hillbilly Elegy.
[01:31:10]  Is it Elegy?
[01:31:11]  Yeah.
[01:31:12]  Yeah.
[01:31:13]  And I read that book cover to cover.
[01:31:15]  And I've said the audience before, my favorite interview I've ever done was of JD Vance in depth at NBC.
[01:31:21]  We met his whole family.
[01:31:22]  We had a heartfelt interview with, of course, JD, but also his sister, Lindsay, who he absolutely adores and who adores him.
[01:31:30]  Their bond.
[01:31:31]  Go ahead, just Google it.
[01:31:32]  Go YouTube, Megan Kelly, JD Vance, NBC, and it will be well worth your time.
[01:31:37]  You will fall in love with this guy.
[01:31:38]  He's a special person.
[01:31:40]  Go ahead, Dave.
[01:31:41]  Yeah, I think, I think I'm going to push back on Stu a little bit.
[01:31:44]  I think that Vance is too isolationist, too anti-Ukraine funding, too much of a bunker America type for Trump, who, yeah, because I was going to ask you, Stu, like when you said that Rubio is more pro-Ukraine, and so they would, you said they would disagree about that.
[01:32:02]  I was curious if you meant by they, Trump and Rubio or those strong MAGA types, because I absolutely agree that the strong MAGA types are going to disagree.
[01:32:13]  Donald Trump is by no stretch of the imagination come out against Ukraine at all.
[01:32:18]  It's true.
[01:32:19]  I mean, not even a little bit.
[01:32:22]  Right.
[01:32:22]  I mean, I think that he's, he's sort of backed off of it.
[01:32:25]  But so did you mean Trump himself, or did you mean more of the base there?
[01:32:29]  I mean his, I mean, his the big MAGA type is definitely what I believed.
[01:32:33]  I also don't think Trump really cares, frankly, about what they think.
[01:32:37]  You know, he, I think he thinks I'm Donald Trump and they're going to like what I, what I like.
[01:32:42]  And I have a job, but Johnson's probably going to put Ukraine aid on the floor this week, right?
[01:32:48]  Is Donald Trump gonna is Donald Trump going to go say like vote no on Ukraine aid?
[01:32:53]  JD Vance sure as hell is.
[01:32:54]  Oh, yeah, he definitely will.
[01:32:56]  Right?
[01:32:56]  Definitely will.
[01:32:58]  I don't, I don't know that Donald Trump's going to do that.
[01:33:00]  He hasn't so far.
[01:33:01]  I mean, so far, Trump's answer to Ukraine is: get me in a room with them.
[01:33:04]  I'll, I'll figure it out.
[01:33:06]  He's not David Sachs running around saying Ukraine can't win.
[01:33:10]  Take what you can right now.
[01:33:11]  Give up.
[01:33:12]  I mean, that has not been the Trumpian approach to Ukraine.
[01:33:15]  It's been fascinating.
[01:33:16]  You know, we deal with people all the time that are calling.
[01:33:18]  A lot of them are, you know, on the radio show and a lot of them are big Trump supporters.
[01:33:22]  Many of them do not agree at all with Ukraine funding.
[01:33:25]  And it's the biggest issue for them.
[01:33:28]  And it's like when you remind them that what Donald Trump's position on this has been is if they don't come up with a deal immediately, I will give more weapons to Ukraine than has ever been seen.
[01:33:38]  That has actually been his stated position on this.
[01:33:41]  But, you know, as is, this is the same thing I would say with the vaccines, where like, you know, a lot of people are really skeptical of the vaccines.
[01:33:47]  They think it's the worst thing in the world.
[01:33:49]  They think it's, I mean, I get people who, you know, call in and they're saying that this is like one of the worst things that's ever happened to humanity.
[01:33:55]  But I'm voting for Donald Trump, the guy who started Operation Warp Speed.
[01:33:59]  He seems to be able to have this magic trick with people.
[01:34:03]  They don't care, frankly, what these positions are.
[01:34:06]  They believe in him.
[01:34:07]  They believe he's the right guy for this time.
[01:34:09]  So that's one of the big reasons why I just don't think his opinion or his, the way he's thinking about vice president is something where he's like rolling this into, oh, well, I mean, it's a crucial choice.
[01:34:22]  It's going to make the difference.
[01:34:23]  I think he believes he's the guy that's going to make the difference.
[01:34:25]  This is a secondary concern for him.
[01:34:27]  He doesn't want someone who's going to get in the way.
[01:34:29]  Yep.
[01:34:29]  That makes sense.
[01:34:30]  I think Doug Bergham's an interesting name to see on there.
[01:34:32]  Of course, it's like another evil white man, according to our earlier soundbite, but he's a brilliant guy.
[01:34:39]  He's a billionaire like Trump.
[01:34:43]  And, you know, the economy remains one of the top issues for all voters on all sides.
[01:34:47]  So Trump could make a good argument about him.
[01:34:50]  If he wants to go identity politics, he's got plenty of choices here.
[01:34:54]  I don't know.
[01:34:56]  I think Katie Britt was an option before State of the Union response.
[01:35:00]  I think she has selected herself off of the list as an old boss.
[01:35:05]  I heard she's auditioning for a streetcar named Desire in a local community theater.
[01:35:09]  And so it's not available for that.
[01:35:12]  No, she might.
[01:35:13]  I think she might be able to do that.
[01:35:15]  Stu, you were a big dub, dubbed the big guy, right?
[01:35:18]  I remember Stu on the radio.
[01:35:20]  Bergam.
[01:35:21]  Always saying, like, only they don't, you never talk about Bergham, right?
[01:35:24]  No, I never talk.
[01:35:26]  Largely a joke.
[01:35:27]  I mean, I think he actually has a really good record as governor in some ways.
[01:35:31]  Like, you know, certainly economically, I don't see him, though.
[01:35:35]  Like, you're right, Megan.
[01:35:36]  He matches up.
[01:35:37]  Trump respects other people who have made a lot of money and there's some reason.
[01:35:41]  I could see him as your secretary of interior or something, but he's got cabinet secretary written all over him.
[01:35:47]  Yes, he does.
[01:35:48]  Number one, he's not exactly an electric speaker.
[01:35:51]  Number two, the eyebrows.
[01:35:53]  I just don't think he would.
[01:35:54]  I don't think it's possible for Donald Trump to name someone with those eyebrows as vice president.
[01:35:58]  There are a lot.
[01:36:00]  I don't know what he's going to do.
[01:36:01]  He's making inroads with the black vote, but I think that's because of policy.
[01:36:04]  I don't think Republicans or black voters are into the identity politics thing.
[01:36:08]  So I don't think a black VP is going to make them vote for Trump anymore.
[01:36:12]  So I think he's going to pick somebody as the Trump team, the inner circle told me, somebody who he likes, somebody who he wants to be around.
[01:36:21]  Who that's going to be.
[01:36:22]  I don't know.
[01:36:22]  But I look forward to the apprentice process.
[01:36:24]  Guys, you're the best.
[01:36:25]  Stu, Dave, thanks so much for being here.
[01:36:27]  Thank you so much, Megan.
[01:36:29]  Tomorrow, our pal Sage Steele returns.
[01:36:32]  For now, enjoy your solar eclipse if you're in the path of totality.
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