The Michael Knowles Show - Walsh & Knowles ANSWER Your Posts: Trolls, Flat Earthers, & Fake Rabbis
Aired: 2026-05-02
Duration: 35:15


=== Surrender Programming To X (06:11) ===

[00:00:00]  Why you two is both some B I T C H as white boys that don't know no mother effing gang signs.
[00:00:08]  I mean, this is the kind of thing you get.
[00:00:09]  I mean, this is why it's a great idea to surrender the programming of your show over to X. Commentary we're going to get from them.
[00:00:16]  Oh, is that so you're doing?
[00:00:19]  That's a gang sign?
[00:00:21]  Modern McCarthy says, I need to hear you guys debate.
[00:00:27]  I'm looking at it.
[00:00:27]  You got to say it.
[00:00:28]  I'm looking at it right now.
[00:00:47]  Hey, everybody.
[00:00:48]  Welcome to Matt and I having a cigar after our TPUSA speech.
[00:00:53]  We're still workshopping the title.
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[00:01:46]  Matt, remember when we used to just do this without cameras?
[00:01:50]  If there's no camera, it's not real.
[00:01:52]  It's not real.
[00:01:52]  If it's not content, it's not real.
[00:01:54]  That's what I've learned.
[00:01:54]  No, this is good content.
[00:01:56]  So, what I did, I tweeted out.
[00:01:59]  I said, I'll let you all in on it.
[00:02:01]  I tweeted out.
[00:02:01]  I said, for the next 45 minutes, we're having a cigar.
[00:02:04]  Ask us anything.
[00:02:05]  That's us.
[00:02:06]  Yeah.
[00:02:06]  Can I just say, I didn't fully connect that that picture was going to be, that specific picture was going to be tweeted.
[00:02:11]  Yeah.
[00:02:12]  I look terrible.
[00:02:13]  Yeah.
[00:02:14]  I look really bad.
[00:02:15]  Yeah.
[00:02:15]  I look drunk in this picture.
[00:02:16]  I'm not drunk and hunched over.
[00:02:18]  Yeah.
[00:02:19]  I like to think I'm like not a terrible looking guy, but then I see any picture of me ever.
[00:02:24]  Yeah.
[00:02:25]  And I think I'm, this is.
[00:02:26]  Because they're all the wrong angle.
[00:02:28]  The lighting.
[00:02:30]  Yeah.
[00:02:30]  All the angles are wrong.
[00:02:32]  The right lighting for me is like directly thrown into the sun, I guess.
[00:02:36]  Yeah.
[00:02:38]  So, look, this is a great first question from R.P. McMurphy.
[00:02:43]  Why are you two both some B I T C H as white boys that don't know no mother effing gang signs?
[00:02:52]  I mean, this is the kind of thing you get.
[00:02:53]  I mean, this is why it's a great idea to surrender the programming of your show over to X because this is the level of.
[00:03:01]  Commentary We're going to get from them.
[00:03:05]  Oh, is that so you're doing?
[00:03:05]  That's a gang sign?
[00:03:07]  Spelled blood.
[00:03:08]  Is that a gang sign or was that you do?
[00:03:09]  Is that like a swan?
[00:03:12]  Isn't that a shadow puppet swan?
[00:03:15]  I learned that one in high school when I grew up on the rough streets near AOC.
[00:03:20]  You put C's down, that's like crypts are down, and then you do blood.
[00:03:25]  If a gangster actually comes after me because I did that, that'd be so annoying, but it'd be great content.
[00:03:31]  That would be good content.
[00:03:33]  The next one, this is from James.
[00:03:37]  James with a Ukraine flag, a gay flag, and a trans flag.
[00:03:40]  He says he's a progressive, liberal, and Walmart plus admin, BLM, power, four times boosted, LGBTQIA plus supporter, proud husband and stepdad of a six year old biracial, autistic, trans son, he, him.
[00:03:53]  He says Is that his comment?
[00:03:54]  No, that was his profile.
[00:03:55]  That was his profile.
[00:03:56]  The question is how much money do you dorks take from APAC?
[00:04:02]  How much do you get?
[00:04:04]  Everyone is getting paid off by everybody.
[00:04:07]  I'm not getting paid off by anybody.
[00:04:09]  No.
[00:04:09]  No one has ever offered.
[00:04:11]  You know, they were not important enough to pay off.
[00:04:13]  They talk about APAC as if, like, sort of the top of the heap is getting money from the Jews.
[00:04:18]  That's like the top of the heap, right?
[00:04:19]  And I think, all right, well, maybe I can't.
[00:04:22]  Maybe I'm not going to get that direct APAC payment.
[00:04:24]  You know, I know it's the Daily Wire.
[00:04:26]  They call it the Israeli Wire.
[00:04:28]  But there's like I've never heard that.
[00:04:29]  I know.
[00:04:30]  I've heard.
[00:04:30]  Do people say that?
[00:04:31]  The Israeli Wire.
[00:04:32]  But the problem is that there's like one Jew who works at the whole company and the rest are.
[00:04:38]  Catholics and some Protestants who become Catholics.
[00:04:40]  I never so you're saying there's criticisms of so occasionally people say I've never heard this.
[00:04:45]  I don't know why.
[00:04:46]  No, it's weird.
[00:04:47]  But I've never gotten any of the so I'm going to set my sights lower.
[00:04:51]  If I can't get the good Israeli APAC money, what about Yemeni money?
[00:04:56]  How hard is it to get Yemeni?
[00:04:58]  Somalian money?
[00:05:00]  Who's asking for Somalian money?
[00:05:01]  That's a good opportunity.
[00:05:02]  You've got to open a daycare center in Minneapolis for that.
[00:05:05]  That's a good, yes.
[00:05:08]  Your hands are perfectly manicured, Michael.
[00:05:10]  Does Matt Walsh keep the same standards?
[00:05:13]  Are your hands actually manicured?
[00:05:14]  No, they're not.
[00:05:15]  You know why?
[00:05:16]  No, all I do is I take my.
[00:05:19]  I actually only use a toe clipper because they're big and strong.
[00:05:23]  And I just clip, clip, clip.
[00:05:24]  The reason they look nice is because I never do any manual labor.
[00:05:28]  That's the reason.
[00:05:29]  Are yours.
[00:05:32]  I clip my nails.
[00:05:33]  Is this the kind of content you were looking for?
[00:05:34]  This is great content.
[00:05:36]  Let's go over how we did it.
[00:05:38]  Our strategy for clipping our nails.
[00:05:40]  Yeah.
[00:05:40]  Well, this is what you get when you try to record content at.
[00:05:46]  Well, it's 10 o'clock at night, West Coast time.
[00:05:49]  Yeah.
[00:05:49]  After we just did two hours on stage.
[00:05:51]  Yeah, it's quarter midnight, central time.
[00:05:53]  Yeah.
[00:05:53]  Let's not even talk.
[00:05:54]  Let's just have this conversation on Twitter.
[00:05:59]  Here's one.
[00:06:00]  Should fathers be thrown in prison for leaving their children, released only if they agree to come home, says OF Chorus.
[00:06:09]  Thrown in prison if they leave their children.

=== How Life Arises On Earth (06:37) ===

[00:06:12]  I like, I mean, there's a lot about that idea that I like.
[00:06:15]  Yeah.
[00:06:17]  The problem is, I mean, you run into a lot of practical problems.
[00:06:20]  And also, how do you differentiate between the father left the children and or he just needed a pack of cigarettes or that gallon of milk and he got lost yeah, or the mother is taking the kids but then accusing the father of leaving that's a pretty common thing yeah, and in that case should the mom go to prison?
[00:06:43]  So that's a that's a hard one.
[00:06:44]  Plus, what if you got really bad kids?
[00:06:47]  That there's that too, you know.
[00:06:48]  I mean yeah, I guess i'm, i'm for.
[00:06:51]  You know what i'd be?
[00:06:52]  I would be for legal punishments if you get divorced or something, if you break a marriage contract.
[00:07:00]  Or adultery?
[00:07:00]  Related.
[00:07:01]  Or adultery.
[00:07:01]  I mean, obviously, criminalizing adultery is yeah.
[00:07:05]  Yeah.
[00:07:05]  Yeah.
[00:07:06]  That's something.
[00:07:07]  Modern McCarthy says, I need to hear you guys debate I'm looking at it.
[00:07:12]  You got to say it.
[00:07:13]  I'm looking at it right now.
[00:07:15]  I need to hear you guys debate whether aliens are real.
[00:07:18]  They are, by the way.
[00:07:23]  Can I just say, now we finally got to something interesting.
[00:07:26]  We can get the 45 minutes out of this.
[00:07:28]  Yeah.
[00:07:28]  Oh, yeah.
[00:07:30]  So you try to wiggle your way out of this question.
[00:07:36]  If I could say it, it kind of frankly a cowardly way by wanting to focus on have aliens visited Earth, which puts you on a much stronger footing.
[00:07:44]  Yes.
[00:07:46]  Because obviously I have no evidence that they've visited Earth.
[00:07:48]  Of course, you have no evidence that they haven't.
[00:07:51]  So it's sort of a wash.
[00:07:53]  But the much more interesting question, and the one where I feel in a much better position.
[00:07:59]  Stronger position, is, do aliens exist at all in the universe?
[00:08:03]  And to that I would say no, it's no, almost certainly.
[00:08:09]  Why it's absurd to think that they don't.
[00:08:12]  So okay I, i'm glad you have granted they probably haven't been to earth.
[00:08:18]  Prob maybe, at least maybe they haven't been to Earth.
[00:08:20]  But let's say I didn't say probably, maybe they haven't been.
[00:08:22]  Yeah okay, let's, on the off chance they've never been here, let's just say 10 trillion light years away On an Earth like planet, you say it is very likely, almost certain, that aliens exist there.
[00:08:41]  And I would say in response to that, that in order to ascertain the probability that aliens would exist there, you would have to know something about the natural mechanism by which life arises, which we don't.
[00:08:56]  The term would be abiogenesis.
[00:09:00]  I think we know a fair amount.
[00:09:01]  We don't know anything about it.
[00:09:02]  You know anything about how life arises?
[00:09:05]  No.
[00:09:06]  Nothing at all.
[00:09:07]  No.
[00:09:07]  What you were taught in seventh grade was that there was some kind of primordial soup.
[00:09:12]  And a bunch of molecules got really hot and banged into each other.
[00:09:15]  And eventually, that was like step A really hot soup, molecules bang into each other.
[00:09:20]  Step B question mark.
[00:09:22]  Step three prokaryotic cells.
[00:09:24]  Yeah.
[00:09:24]  Well, that, and that's, and that is your third grade biology teacher, whoever.
[00:09:29]  Yes.
[00:09:29]  Trying to get around the reality of God.
[00:09:31]  I get that.
[00:09:31]  Yes.
[00:09:32]  I don't have that problem.
[00:09:33]  I'm not, I, I, so I have no problem filling in the step that, well, it's not even step two.
[00:09:38]  I have no problem filling in the question marks with, well, God, that's God.
[00:09:41]  God makes that happen.
[00:09:43]  God has a process that he uses to create life, and it's a gradual process.
[00:09:49]  No, but what's the start of it?
[00:09:51]  Well, I don't know.
[00:09:52]  It is.
[00:09:53]  I could tell you.
[00:09:54]  But to say we know nothing about how life arises, I mean we know how life develops.
[00:09:58]  We don't know how life arises.
[00:09:59]  That's my well, I do.
[00:10:00]  I mean, the way life arises is God takes clay and breathes into its nostrils.
[00:10:04]  But is it more so take a hypothetical two planets, alien planets.
[00:10:09]  One is like like Jupiter, a gas giant with a hurricane of 500 mile power winds that have been going on over half the planet, whatever, for centuries.
[00:10:23]  And the other one is an Earth like planet.
[00:10:25]  Yes.
[00:10:26]  Which one is it more likely that if there is life at all that it's on one?
[00:10:32]  Which of those planets is more likely to have life?
[00:10:34]  If the non Earth planets, they are equally likely to have life, which is not likely at all.
[00:10:40]  But if we have to assume that there is life on one of the planets or the other, Then, yes, life would more likely be on the planet more like Earth because the Earth is perfectly finely tuned to support life.
[00:10:53]  So, we do know something about how life arises.
[00:10:55]  We know how life is sustained.
[00:10:58]  We know a lot about that, but we don't know how life arises.
[00:11:01]  So, we say no, we don't know anything about it.
[00:11:02]  We don't know anything.
[00:11:03]  So, we know something about it.
[00:11:04]  We know nothing about it.
[00:11:05]  We know something about the conditions that are probably necessary for life to arise.
[00:11:08]  Yes, we know what supports life.
[00:11:10]  Yes, but we don't know how it arises.
[00:11:13]  So, we know what is necessary for life to arise.
[00:11:15]  No.
[00:11:16]  No.
[00:11:16]  We know what it's supposed to be.
[00:11:17]  We know something about the conditions that are likely necessary for life to arise.
[00:11:22]  Yes.
[00:11:23]  We know something about the conditions without which life probably cannot arise.
[00:11:28]  Yes.
[00:11:28]  Okay.
[00:11:29]  So then I would say that counts as something that we know about how life arises.
[00:11:32]  No.
[00:11:33]  We just know.
[00:11:33]  But you just said something.
[00:11:34]  That's not nothing.
[00:11:35]  No, no, no.
[00:11:35]  We know what this has to be in order for the thing that gives life its arousal.
[00:11:42]  So is that something?
[00:11:43]  No.
[00:11:44]  No.
[00:11:45]  What you just said is nothing?
[00:11:46]  What I said is something about something else.
[00:11:49]  But.
[00:11:50]  Yes.
[00:11:51]  You are talking, you're saying things about it.
[00:11:54]  I'm saying things, yes.
[00:11:54]  No, no, hold on.
[00:11:55]  You're saying things about a subject, and the subject is how life arises.
[00:11:58]  And you're saying things about it.
[00:11:59]  In fact, you're saying something rather definitive about it.
[00:12:02]  So I would say that we can say something about how life arises.
[00:12:04]  We can say the thing that you just said about it.
[00:12:06]  No, I am saying something about the nonsense things that people say in response to the question, how does life arise?
[00:12:13]  You just said that those are the conditions that are probably necessary for life to arise.
[00:12:17]  I said those are the conditions that are certainly necessary for life to arise.
[00:12:23]  Be sustained for life to be so.
[00:12:25]  You said a rise.
[00:12:26]  Rewind the tape.
[00:12:27]  He did say rise.
[00:12:30]  They don't exist.
[00:12:31]  They don't exist.
[00:12:32]  They don't exist, is what I'm saying.
[00:12:34]  You're saying gasoline.
[00:12:35]  They don't.
[00:12:37]  A 10 o'clock.
[00:12:37]  We're talking about a big, a big giant ball of gas, a big giant ball of hot air.
[00:12:44]  Good.
[00:12:44]  That's what I'm hearing right now.
[00:12:46]  Yeah, that's what I'm seeing right now.
[00:12:48]  That's what I'm seeing.

=== The Flat Earth Moon Myth (11:49) ===

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[00:13:50]  Okay.
[00:13:51]  Did you have you found a question?
[00:13:54]  There's some AI stuff.
[00:13:56]  The AI stuff is out of control.
[00:13:58]  It's unbearable.
[00:13:59]  Once you learn how to read AI, it's like everywhere.
[00:14:02]  Yeah.
[00:14:03]  I don't know if real people exist anymore.
[00:14:05]  Yeah.
[00:14:06]  It's all just AI.
[00:14:07]  AI isn't just a problem, it's a pandemic.
[00:14:10]  You know, they always, they always do that at the end.
[00:14:12]  It's not this, it's that.
[00:14:13]  Yeah.
[00:14:14]  Or asking yourself a question rhetorically and then answering it is an AI thing.
[00:14:19]  Yeah.
[00:14:19]  Of course, the M dash.
[00:14:21]  The other thing about it is that there are a few things AI does with writing that I also like.
[00:14:25]  Like I love the M dash.
[00:14:26]  Yeah.
[00:14:26]  But I can't use it anymore.
[00:14:28]  No, I know.
[00:14:30]  They tell you, someone did that.
[00:14:31]  I responded to a tweet.
[00:14:33]  I don't know.
[00:14:34]  And they said, you didn't write that.
[00:14:35]  I said, first of all, I guess they thought my tweet was smart or accurate.
[00:14:39]  But I said, what do you mean I didn't write that?
[00:14:40]  They said, because you used an M dash.
[00:14:42]  Do you know who taught me the M dash?
[00:14:44]  Who?
[00:14:44]  Ben Shapiro's father, David.
[00:14:46]  This was 10 years ago.
[00:14:47]  What do you mean he taught you?
[00:14:49]  You didn't know what it was?
[00:14:50]  I turned in some writing to David.
[00:14:53]  I don't remember what it was even.
[00:14:54]  And I did two hyphens like an idiot, like a rube, like a dumb dolt.
[00:14:59]  And he looked at me and he said, Michael, do you not.
[00:15:02]  Are you.
[00:15:04]  And then I said, what's wrong?
[00:15:05]  And he said.
[00:15:06]  Did you preach the gospel of the M dash?
[00:15:07]  You did.
[00:15:08]  And I've never gone back.
[00:15:09]  I've never looked back.
[00:15:13]  There was one here that I thought, well, someone brought up flat earth.
[00:15:17]  What?
[00:15:20]  Do you think that's real?
[00:15:21]  Obviously, flat earth isn't real.
[00:15:23]  Flat earth, flat eartherism, is that a real phenomenon?
[00:15:29]  Or is it like a meta thing?
[00:15:31]  Yeah.
[00:15:31]  Is it all just a troll or do people really believe that?
[00:15:33]  And if they do, how is that possible?
[00:15:36]  How is it possible that in a world now where we have all the knowledge of the universe at our fingertips, how is it possible that people are more ignorant about the basic shape of the earth than they were 500 years ago?
[00:15:49]  Yeah.
[00:15:49]  You probably got a lot of COVID shots too, didn't you?
[00:15:51]  You believe all these.
[00:15:52]  People down in the world.
[00:15:54]  I one time was sitting with an interesting guy, but I was sitting with a buddy of mine.
[00:15:58]  We were having a cigar and a guy who I didn't know very well, but he's very interesting, a little quirky though.
[00:16:03]  And he says to me, Michael, you love Dante.
[00:16:06]  I said, I do.
[00:16:08]  He said, so do you believe in Dante's cosmology?
[00:16:11]  I said, what do you mean by that?
[00:16:13]  He said, you know, do you believe the earth is flat, surrounded by a solid firmament?
[00:16:19]  And I said, oh, I don't.
[00:16:22]  And also, more important to your question, Dante didn't believe that either.
[00:16:26]  In fact, it's actually crucial to Dante's cosmology that the world is round because the devil's at like hell's in the middle and you crawl back up out of Mount Purgatory.
[00:16:35]  Anyway, I just thought you don't even, the thing you think is leading you to that, even that is not saying what you think it does.
[00:16:44]  Yeah.
[00:16:45]  Is it just so what is that?
[00:16:47]  I think it's just being a hipster, right?
[00:16:51]  I don't know.
[00:16:52]  I remember, man, like seven years, six, seven years ago, When I was still doing my show, the show in my car.
[00:17:03]  And that's when I first came across flat earth as a modern phenomenon.
[00:17:10]  Well, it's really only a modern phenomenon.
[00:17:12]  That's the irony.
[00:17:13]  Yeah, that is it.
[00:17:15]  And I did like a show about it for some reason.
[00:17:19]  And I just got annihilated in the comments.
[00:17:22]  And it was a very, and the thing that blew my mind, it's not even the people who were adamant that the earth is flat.
[00:17:30]  That's pretty mind blowing.
[00:17:32]  Yeah.
[00:17:33]  It's more the all these other people in the middle.
[00:17:36]  Yeah.
[00:17:37]  Who they're.
[00:17:38]  Do they have the moderate position?
[00:17:39]  Yes.
[00:17:40]  That's very common now.
[00:17:42]  They take the moderate position and they say, well, look, I'm not saying the earth is flat, but, you know, I'm open to the evidence.
[00:17:49]  Yeah.
[00:17:50]  What?
[00:17:51]  So you're sane enough to not be totally convinced, but you're open.
[00:17:55]  Like.
[00:17:55]  Do they think it's a rhombus?
[00:17:57]  Is the moderate position that it's like a cube or a cone or something?
[00:18:00]  An octagon?
[00:18:01]  I don't know.
[00:18:02]  Look, I don't want to be an extremist.
[00:18:03]  All right.
[00:18:04]  I just.
[00:18:05]  Wow.
[00:18:07]  Yeah, I wonder if that's that is like one of the real flaws of the centrists or the moderates is because they don't actually believe in anything.
[00:18:17]  They just want to take the middle position between it like They you could make them believe any you could you could make them believe the the least plausible view it is much more plausible that the earth is flat than that it is somewhere in between flat and a sphere Just fluctuates like a.
[00:18:38]  Like an accordion.
[00:18:39]  Yeah.
[00:18:39]  Yeah.
[00:18:40]  It's an accordion.
[00:18:40]  The earth is an accordion.
[00:18:42]  Or the moon landing is fake.
[00:18:43]  I mean, you.
[00:18:44]  The moon landing thing.
[00:18:45]  I mean, I'm open to the evidence.
[00:18:47]  No, you're not.
[00:18:47]  You're not really open to the evidence.
[00:18:49]  No, I mean.
[00:18:50]  Is that real?
[00:18:50]  Is that a real thing?
[00:18:51]  No, I'm not.
[00:18:51]  No, we landed on the moon.
[00:18:53]  But I tell you, I went through once.
[00:18:55]  It was like six hours where I was completely convinced we did not land on the moon.
[00:19:01]  Completely convinced.
[00:19:02]  Because I watched a documentary on like 4chan or something.
[00:19:06]  I don't know.
[00:19:06]  It was like on some weird website.
[00:19:09]  I don't, I guess they don't have. documentaries on 4chan, but I, it was like some weirdo link and I clicked it.
[00:19:14]  It was a two hour schizo documentary and I watched it at the office when I was pretending to do work.
[00:19:21]  And I texted Elisa from the office and I said, girl, we did not land on the moon.
[00:19:26]  We did not land on the moon.
[00:19:28]  She's like, ah.
[00:19:29]  And then I almost finished this two or three hour doc.
[00:19:32]  I get home that night.
[00:19:33]  I said, girl, you got to just watch it.
[00:19:34]  We got to finish watching it.
[00:19:36]  So we watched the last 10% of it or whatever.
[00:19:38]  And I was like, no, no, you don't.
[00:19:39]  Because it started to get pretty off the rails at the end.
[00:19:42]  And I said, no, no, you got to watch, you got to go back and watch the whole thing.
[00:19:44]  So we watched it again.
[00:19:46]  And by the end of the second time, I realized, I said, oh, we went to the moon.
[00:19:50]  I now, it took two times.
[00:19:52]  Did you ever go through, we didn't go to the moon phase?
[00:19:56]  No.
[00:19:56]  No.
[00:19:57]  I never went through a tranny phase either.
[00:20:00]  Like, what else do you want to tell us?
[00:20:02]  Yeah, I mean, the pictures in the videos look pretty crazy.
[00:20:08]  Which pictures and videos?
[00:20:09]  Like they were golfing on the moon.
[00:20:11]  That's silly.
[00:20:11]  They had the little dune buggies, the moon buggies.
[00:20:14]  This was in the later Apollo mission.
[00:20:16]  It looks weird.
[00:20:18]  Yeah, they're on the moon.
[00:20:20]  Like, of course, it looks weird.
[00:20:22]  It looks weird on the moon.
[00:20:24]  That is the entirety of the evidence as people look at the pictures, like that looks weird.
[00:20:29]  Yeah, it's the moon.
[00:20:30]  Maybe it looks like that's not what it looks like when I take pictures in my backyard.
[00:20:35]  Yeah, you don't live on the moon, so and we so by the way, we would fake it, we faked it multiple times.
[00:20:46]  Like that's the part they leave out a lot of stuff.
[00:20:49]  So, the first time we tried to fake it, a bunch of people died because it exploded, right?
[00:20:54]  And then, but then, what but once you've let's say we faked it, so you faked it.
[00:20:59]  Then why would we fake it multiple more times after that?
[00:21:03]  And fail one of the times we faked it.
[00:21:05]  Right.
[00:21:06]  But the people didn't die, but they almost died.
[00:21:08]  And we're supposed to believe that every other government on the globe, to include the Soviets, is the one.
[00:21:15]  Well, this is the most compelling evidence.
[00:21:17]  Like they are in on it.
[00:21:18]  I mean, because they would know that it was fake.
[00:21:20]  Yeah.
[00:21:21]  And they decided to just be cool about it and not tell anybody.
[00:21:25]  I spoke to a famous mutual friend of ours who doesn't think we went to the moon.
[00:21:30]  And I brought up the Soviet thing.
[00:21:33]  And this person had no response to it.
[00:21:38]  And this person is really bought in on we didn't go to the moon.
[00:21:40]  And there was no response.
[00:21:41]  I said, okay, well, that's it.
[00:21:43]  That decides it.
[00:21:44]  A famous friend?
[00:21:45]  Yes.
[00:21:47]  Not famous for being our friend, like a famous person who is a mutual friend of ours.
[00:21:54]  Who thinks the moon landing didn't happen?
[00:21:56]  Yeah.
[00:21:58]  I don't want to, like, it was a private conversation.
[00:22:00]  I don't, but.
[00:22:01]  Okay.
[00:22:02]  It's a conservative media person or someone?
[00:22:03]  Yeah.
[00:22:05]  We're narrowing it down to like four people.
[00:22:07]  I don't.
[00:22:08]  Okay.
[00:22:08]  Well, I'll think about it.
[00:22:10]  I mean, this is, I spent, the last time I did Joe Rogan, we spent an hour on this.
[00:22:19]  We spent an hour on the moon landing.
[00:22:22]  And I got, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't break.
[00:22:23]  I had no breakthrough.
[00:22:25]  I tried.
[00:22:25]  Not, yeah.
[00:22:27]  Well, because Joe's taking more of the in-between position.
[00:22:30]  Yeah.
[00:22:31]  It's like Apollo 8 was fake, but Apollo 10 was real.
[00:22:37]  And Apollo 13 was fake again, but that was like a reverse Uno card.
[00:22:43]  And then Apollo 16 was real.
[00:22:46]  Well, one of the points I try to make to him, maybe unsuccessfully, and this actually applies to a lot of conspiracy theories, the ones that are irrational, is that you're not just rejecting the so-called official narrative.
[00:23:03]  You are proposing an entirely new narrative.
[00:23:08]  And so my point is that what you should have evidence for your like you're not just denying that a thing happened You're actually proposing that a whole other thing.
[00:23:18]  Yes Did in fact happen right which in this case is that they said they did a moon landing on a movie studio somewhere Yeah, so where's your evidence for that like where is your evidence your positive evidence like this other thing Stanley Cooper don't you know that?
[00:23:32]  Where's the evidence of that?
[00:23:33]  I mean, well, he was a filmmaker who did a movie about space, right?
[00:23:37]  So I think that and he directed the moon landing The defense reps.
[00:23:42]  Yeah, he directed.
[00:23:44]  You know, one time I was talking to someone who was talking about the moon, and this person said, not the famous person, this person said, well, yeah, but give me a break.
[00:23:54]  I mean, what about the Van Allen radiation belts?
[00:23:57]  Marisol Joe is big on that.
[00:23:58]  So I was arrested by this because I thought, look at this person, I said, you don't, you didn't pay any attention in, forget physics, you didn't pay any attention in any science class in high school.
[00:24:10]  You have no idea what the Van Allen radiation belts are.
[00:24:13]  You don't know how radiation works or what radiation is.
[00:24:16]  And I don't really either.
[00:24:17]  But I don't go around.
[00:24:19]  It's like, it'd be like saying, guys, it's like, actually, people do this a lot.
[00:24:24]  People who don't know anything, not a single thing about science.
[00:24:26]  And they'll say, well, actually, you know, because of quantum physics, here's why my random fever dream is totally right.
[00:24:35]  And just say like, well, you don't know anything about quantum physics at all.

=== Texting Twins Late At Night (10:37) ===

[00:24:38]  No.
[00:24:38]  That's just a phrase you learned.
[00:24:41]  You either read that in a popular science journal or more likely heard it in a YouTube video.
[00:24:48]  And now you're just saying it.
[00:24:50]  This is why being informed is so overrated, I think.
[00:24:54]  It's so overrated because people, we just have all this information bouncing around in their heads, but they don't have any real depth of knowledge to ground that or any wisdom.
[00:25:06]  No.
[00:25:07]  So you just end up with like little bits of information you've picked up, but no way of directing it.
[00:25:14]  And so you just end up concocting all these bizarre ideas based on this scattershot.
[00:25:21]  Yeah.
[00:25:23]  And then it would be better for most people to just be totally uninformed.
[00:25:28]  Yeah.
[00:25:29]  And the thing is, then our theory of government in America is that you just get everybody's like that.
[00:25:36]  Right.
[00:25:37]  And then they can vote.
[00:25:37]  And then they vote.
[00:25:38]  Yeah.
[00:25:39]  Okay.
[00:25:39]  This question is from Champageless, who says, My question is, how can I convince my wife to have four kiddos?
[00:25:47]  We have three, but she only works for four.
[00:25:49]  Can I answer?
[00:25:50]  First of all, don't call them kiddos.
[00:25:53]  I can't stand that.
[00:25:54]  And this is a man who wrote this.
[00:25:55]  Is this a man?
[00:25:55]  Yeah.
[00:25:57]  Kiddos?
[00:25:59]  That's 35 year old female talk.
[00:26:03]  Are you a 35 year old woman?
[00:26:04]  Kiddos?
[00:26:05]  Do you call them doggos too?
[00:26:09]  Just call them kids.
[00:26:10]  What is this kiddo bull?
[00:26:11]  I can't stand it.
[00:26:13]  Now, when women do it, I can put up with it.
[00:26:15]  Like, fine.
[00:26:16]  Yeah.
[00:26:17]  And my wife does a little bit with the kiddo thing.
[00:26:18]  Yeah, look.
[00:26:19]  You can put up with a lot.
[00:26:20]  It's a woman thing, right?
[00:26:21]  Yes.
[00:26:22]  But when men do that, that's embarrassing.
[00:26:25]  I mean, talk about you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
[00:26:26]  Like, that's.
[00:26:28]  That should exclude you.
[00:26:30]  Should he be allowed to have four of them?
[00:26:32]  Four kiddos?
[00:26:33]  Well, if you want your wife to have kids with you, don't speak like a woman to her.
[00:26:37]  She's not going to respect you.
[00:26:41]  You want her to get in bed with you and create kids.
[00:26:45]  Like, say, wife, let's make some kiddos.
[00:26:49]  It totally kills the mood.
[00:26:51]  That's my pillow talk.
[00:26:52]  Can I finish his question?
[00:26:53]  Can I finish?
[00:26:54]  We have three, but she only wanted two.
[00:26:57]  I was able to talk her into three, but four seems like a better number.
[00:27:01]  Also, congrats on your fourth, Michael.
[00:27:02]  Thank you very much.
[00:27:03]  So, yes, I have four, three and a half now, because one's cooking.
[00:27:08]  Matt has 150, I think.
[00:27:12]  158 children.
[00:27:13]  Yeah.
[00:27:14]  So, but my answer, and I think this is kind of the way you did it.
[00:27:20]  I don't know if you're Catholic or Protestant or Jewish or Buddhist or whatever, but for the Catholics, you just basically have to pop them out.
[00:27:28]  So it's very easy to say, well, God demands it.
[00:27:31]  So let's go, lady.
[00:27:34]  Or the lady sometimes has to convince the man.
[00:27:35]  You're just like, well, you got to do it.
[00:27:36]  There's just a rule, it's outside of you.
[00:27:38]  You had four kids.
[00:27:42]  In fact, I don't want to tell tales out of school.
[00:27:44]  I think you viewed that as sort of your ideal number.
[00:27:47]  And then you had more.
[00:27:49]  Yeah, you know, that's.
[00:27:51]  Well, actually, I'd always thought six, and when my wife and I first got married, we talked about this.
[00:27:59]  I mean, you know, we're open to God's design.
[00:28:01]  So it's like your ideal number doesn't really matter, it doesn't really mean anything.
[00:28:06]  When we talked about it, I was like, six sounds like a good number.
[00:28:08]  I'm one of six.
[00:28:09]  That's probably why I thought that.
[00:28:11]  But then we ended up with four.
[00:28:12]  We had four for a while.
[00:28:13]  And I thought, like, this is, we had two boys and two girls.
[00:28:15]  And you're good.
[00:28:16]  It's like, this is, you're done.
[00:28:17]  This is kind of good.
[00:28:19]  And then the youngest kind of got out of the baby phase and was out of the sort of getting out of the toddler phase.
[00:28:26]  And it was getting really easy.
[00:28:27]  Yeah.
[00:28:28]  Because that's the thing, you know, when we think about the challenges of parenting and you hear people talk about it, there are certainly challenges that come and the kids get older, teenage years.
[00:28:37]  But most of the challenges that you hear about are really concentrated on like the first four years of life.
[00:28:46]  Yeah.
[00:28:46]  You're not sleeping.
[00:28:47]  You can't go anywhere.
[00:28:48]  It's like when you see all these videos of someone who's quote unquote child free.
[00:28:53]  And they're saying all the benefits.
[00:28:55]  Oh, I can sleep in and I can do this and that.
[00:28:57]  It's like, yeah.
[00:28:58]  So those are arguably benefits you have over someone who has a kid in the first couple few years of life.
[00:29:05]  Yeah.
[00:29:06]  But once your kids are older, all that stuff.
[00:29:08]  Yeah, you could do that.
[00:29:09]  You could sleep in with older kids, whatever, any of that stuff you can do.
[00:29:13]  So we had gotten to that stage and it was kind of, we're kind of getting settled into it.
[00:29:16]  It was kind of nice and it was getting easier.
[00:29:18]  And then, and then we found out that, well, first we thought, okay, we're going to have the fifth.
[00:29:23]  It's like, all right.
[00:29:24]  Yeah.
[00:29:24]  Okay.
[00:29:24]  Yeah.
[00:29:25]  Fine.
[00:29:25]  Let's, let's.
[00:29:26]  Great, let's do it.
[00:29:28]  And then we get the ultrasound.
[00:29:30]  So it was going to be two.
[00:29:31]  So we're doing the twins again.
[00:29:32]  Yeah.
[00:29:33]  And that was kind of daunting at first.
[00:29:36]  Because the thing is, we had twins to start with.
[00:29:39]  Our first were twins.
[00:29:40]  We had no idea we were getting ourselves into at all.
[00:29:42]  We had nothing to compare it to.
[00:29:44]  We were totally ignorant.
[00:29:45]  Ignorance is bliss.
[00:29:48]  But twin babies, like the first two years of life with twins, that's parenting on hard mode.
[00:29:55]  It's really difficult.
[00:29:56]  To do it twice.
[00:29:58]  Yeah.
[00:29:58]  And then so we'd already been through that and we knew we were we knew it was going to happen and now we're facing that again.
[00:30:03]  It was daunting, but it's a rewarding challenge and it's a beautiful thing.
[00:30:11]  You're just covering your bases in case the youngest kids watch this someday in like 20 years.
[00:30:15]  Be like, no, it's actually always one in another set of twins.
[00:30:18]  Let's see.
[00:30:20]  You sent me one?
[00:30:22]  No, I don't check my texts.
[00:30:23]  One thing, this is really great.
[00:30:25]  You know, in the right-wing media when they all are stabbing each other in the back and the way they do it is they're always posting texts.
[00:30:32]  Well, I got this text from you and you text whatever, but no one's going to ever do that to me because I don't text anybody back ever.
[00:30:41]  You are worse about that than I am, and I'm really bad.
[00:30:45]  Yeah, it's it is this story.
[00:30:49]  Some of these are so humiliating and irresponsible that I like can't say them publicly, but it, yeah, yeah, it's pretty.
[00:30:55]  But, but when someone is trying to plant me with some scandal, good luck.
[00:31:02]  But you know what it is.
[00:31:04]  I assume this is what happens with you.
[00:31:05]  Yeah.
[00:31:06]  Because I'm also really bad at texting back.
[00:31:08]  It's not intentional.
[00:31:09]  I'm not trying to be important or whatever.
[00:31:11]  But I see the text when it comes in.
[00:31:14]  I almost always see it when it comes in.
[00:31:16]  Yeah.
[00:31:16]  And I think to myself, like, oh, I'll get back to him.
[00:31:18]  You know, because I'm in the middle of something.
[00:31:19]  Yeah.
[00:31:20]  And also I don't need to text you back 30 seconds after you text me.
[00:31:22]  No.
[00:31:23]  That's weird.
[00:31:24]  That looks desperate.
[00:31:25]  Yeah.
[00:31:25]  And then I'm in a conversation.
[00:31:27]  Right.
[00:31:28]  By the way, that it's not just a three second text.
[00:31:31]  That's like 15 minutes.
[00:31:32]  Exactly.
[00:31:33]  So then you think I'm going to text him back.
[00:31:34]  And then seven days later, you think, oh, I never text that person back.
[00:31:39]  Now it's too late.
[00:31:39]  I've gone too far.
[00:31:40]  Way too late.
[00:31:41]  I can't, you know, it's, it's, it's, once you get past the 48 hour mark, it's too late.
[00:31:47]  So now I have no choice but to just ignore forever.
[00:31:49]  You know what I do?
[00:31:50]  Now I've, I've, I've embraced this later on.
[00:31:54]  I, I do this with good friends of mine or family members or whatever.
[00:32:00]  Two months later, two months later, I'll just, it'll be like, hey, buddy.
[00:32:05]  Checking in on you.
[00:32:06]  I wanted to let you know I'm having a kid.
[00:32:08]  I wanted to reach out about this thing, whatever.
[00:32:11]  And I'll have forgotten about it.
[00:32:12]  I was going to take two months later.
[00:32:14]  Just be like, oh, hey, sorry, sorry, happy Easter, whatever.
[00:32:19]  It's like, it's Halloween.
[00:32:21]  Two months later.
[00:32:22]  It's Halloween.
[00:32:22]  Happy Easter.
[00:32:23]  That's what I do.
[00:32:23]  You can't do it two months later.
[00:32:24]  Why not?
[00:32:26]  It's too late.
[00:32:27]  It's gone.
[00:32:28]  Just let it go.
[00:32:29]  Let that relationship go.
[00:32:32]  I was waiting for this.
[00:32:33]  You know how Twitter is just basically a bunch of people hating the Jews?
[00:32:38]  So, our producer, Mr. Davies, texted me this response from Rabbi Goldstein Schickelberg.
[00:32:47]  Handle the Holy Talmud says we should discuss ideas on how to combat rising Nazism and anti Semitism and what we can do further as a country for Israel and Israel first, the Holy Land with three Israeli flags.
[00:33:00]  I don't think this is a real rabbi.
[00:33:02]  You don't think so?
[00:33:04]  I'm starting to think that.
[00:33:06]  That's you with the conspiracies again.
[00:33:08]  I know.
[00:33:08]  I don't.
[00:33:10]  Something tells me this person might not even be Jewish.
[00:33:15]  That's pretty offensive to that person.
[00:33:16]  Yeah, I know on Twitter it's hard to believe.
[00:33:19]  Hold on.
[00:33:20]  Did I get any.
[00:33:20]  Why is.
[00:33:22]  Davies is only posting.
[00:33:24]  Oh, he texted me the kiddos one too.
[00:33:28]  Hold on.
[00:33:28]  See, this is what happens.
[00:33:29]  Then I get, I'm just in my phone.
[00:33:31]  I don't want to be in my phone.
[00:33:32]  But now I lost.
[00:33:33]  He's texting you stuff and he's putting it up on the prompter and he's sitting right there.
[00:33:39]  You can just say it.
[00:33:40]  Well, as long as you're right here.
[00:33:42]  Here's one from Captain Caveman, Tone Chexer.
[00:33:46]  Well, as long as you shut down free speech, then you boys have a good time.
[00:33:51]  What is that in response to?
[00:33:53]  As long as we shut down free speech, we'll have a good time.
[00:33:56]  I actually do kind of want to shut down free speech, but that's kind of a high horse.
[00:33:59]  Yeah.
[00:34:00]  But I don't, what is it?
[00:34:00]  Is that in response to anything in particular?
[00:34:02]  I don't know.
[00:34:05]  All right.
[00:34:05]  Well, we got a lot of, man, we got a lot of comments on this.
[00:34:09]  Which of you is most likely to become a Protestant?
[00:34:14]  It's not me.
[00:34:15]  No, as you have six kids, you can't.
[00:34:17]  It's not.
[00:34:18]  Speaking of discrimination, would that be crazy if I became not even just a Protestant?
[00:34:23]  Like, because if I were Calvinist, I guess I'd be a Presbyterian.
[00:34:26]  You become like a mega church, yeah, like Joel Osteen style, yeah, just like hey, you know, big smiles.
[00:34:35]  I don't know if I have that in me.
[00:34:37]  He is stored in the I'm not reading what it was.
[00:34:43]  I'm not, hey, you can't dress like that in Idaho.
[00:34:46]  Yes, I can.
[00:34:53]  In response to hey, we're gonna be hanging out having cigars.
[00:34:56]  Ask us anything.
[00:34:57]  The guy just posts this picture from dinosaurs.
[00:34:59]  It says, Take out your gun and blow my brains out.
[00:35:02]  All right, well, on that note, thanks for tuning in to Matt and I Have a Cigar after our talk at Idaho.
[00:35:13]  We'll see you on the next episode.