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In the final hours of the 2024 campaign, President Trump has picked up some major final endorsements.
Joe Rogan, Megyn Kelly, Patrick Mahomes' mother, and more.
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Joe Rogan has endorsed Trump.
And this is a big deal.
You might say, well, we already knew that Joe Rogan preferred Trump to Kamala or preferred Trump to Joe Biden.
Sure, but Joe Rogan is the biggest...
Podcaster in the entire world.
He has played it a little bit safer in the past.
He hasn't come out and actually endorsed President Trump.
His interview with President Trump was the biggest interview probably ever conducted.
And then he followed it up with the interview with J.D. Vance, which also did huge numbers.
He's just come out.
He tweeted out, quote, The great and powerful Elon Musk.
He's got this whole interview with Musk that came out.
We'll get to a little bit of that, too.
If it wasn't for him, we'd be effed.
He makes what I think is the most compelling case for Trump you will hear, and I agree with him, every step of the way.
For the record, yes, that's an endorsement of Trump.
Enjoy the podcast.
This matters.
I have friends, liberal friends, who listen to Joe Rogan.
Joe Rogan's numbers are too big for only conservatives to be listening to him.
In fact, I think Joe primarily speaks to people who are not conservative.
They're lowercase c conservative, but they don't identify all the time as Republican or movement conservatives or anything like that, okay?
It's a lot of people who are kind of in the middle, who think of themselves as independent, even many people who are on the center-left.
Joe is speaking to them, and within the last 24 hours he says, vote for Trump.
Okay, about half the country voted early.
That means about half the country is voting today.
And the biggest podcaster ever, and the current biggest podcaster in the world, says vote for Trump.
That's a big deal.
You know who else just came out and endorsed Trump?
My friend, Megyn Kelly.
Can you believe this guy?
Can you believe the energy and the stamina on this guy?
I'm ready to go to sleep over there.
He's got another rally to go to until tonight.
Let me tell you, first of all, one of the reasons why I wanted to come here, one of the many reasons I wanted to come here.
When I launched my show four years ago, we had Mark Cuban on the program.
It may seem he was in the news this week.
And he started going on about how bad America's race history was and how ashamed he was of America, and that's why he was at all these protests, and he felt it was really important to stand up and speak out about human rights violations.
And then it got awkward when I asked him about all the money he was taking from China.
Then he dropped a bunch of F-bombs and I thought, I really enjoy this feeling of proving Mark Cuban wrong.
And so here I am at a Trump rally, a strong, intelligent woman to prove Mark Cuban wrong again.
I won't take up much of your time, but I do want to tell you the main reasons I am voting for Donald Trump.
Meghan's whole speech was great.
We don't have time to get into the whole thing, but there she says, the biggest reasons are immigration, Kamala opened up the border.
Trump is good on immigration and will protect the borders of the country.
Two is protecting women, protecting women in sports, protecting women in prisons.
You know, now the libs, specifically Kamala Harris actually pushed for this.
The libs will allow men to be housed in women's prisons and then women get raped.
That's basically how it goes because the men identify as women.
So she says that transgender ideology, that's the second reason that I'm supporting Trump.
He opposes it broadly and Kamala supports it emphatically.
And then the third one was protecting men.
Second one's protecting women.
The third reason is protecting men.
That men are denigrated, men are smeared by Kamala and by the left as toxic.
All masculinity in general is smeared as toxic.
And that's not good.
It's not good to constantly be insulting and bringing down our boys.
And Meghan says Trump doesn't do that.
Trump builds up the boys and he protects the girls and that's a good thing.
Now, a lot of people are going to be shocked by the Megyn Kelly endorsement.
Because, just eight years ago, Megyn Kelly was moderating a debate when Trump was one of many in the Republican primary, and she hit him with the toughest question that he got probably in the entire campaign, and he gave the best answer that he gave in the entire campaign.
Mr.
Trump.
One of the things people love about you is you speak your mind and you don't use a politician's filter.
However, that is not without its downsides, in particular when it comes to women.
You've called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals.
Your Twitter account...
Only Rosie O'Donnell.
No, it wasn't.
Your Twitter account.
Thank you.
For the record, it was well beyond Rosie O'Donnell.
Yes, I'm sure it was.
Your Twitter account has several disparaging comments about women's looks.
You once told a contestant on Celebrity Apprentice it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees.
Does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should elect as president?
And how will you answer the charge from Hillary Clinton, who is likely to be the Democratic nominee that you are part of the war on women?
I think the big problem this country has is being politically correct.
I've been challenged.
Masterful answer.
I mean, you could tell.
This was a tough question from Meghan.
She went in there, guns blazing, and Trump totally dominated the question.
Now, with that answer, he might as well have won the Republican primary in 2016.
So they had a back and forth, and even after that debate, they were going back and forth at each other.
So how is it that Meghan, who had this really tough relationship with Trump, she comes to endorse him at a Trump rally?
I'll tell you exactly why.
Because Meghan Kelly recognizes that politics is not about petty personal grievances.
Politics is about the public.
It's about the common good.
It's ironic because the libs always tell us, think about the other people and think about the common good and think about everybody but yourself.
And yet, for them, politics is so petty.
It's so personal.
You think about Liz Cheney.
Why is Liz Cheney campaigning for Kamala Harris?
Is it because Liz Cheney is a principled conservative?
No, she's sold out every conservative principle she ever even pretended to hold.
But it's because Trump went after her personally and got her kicked out of Congress.
So now she campaigns for Kamala Harris.
It's true of so many people who campaign for Kamala Harris.
In fact, the argument to support Kamala Harris, even on the left, is vote for Kamala Harris and she'll let you do those personal things that you really like doing.
You're a man and you want to go into the women's bathroom?
Well, vote for Kamala Harris and to hell with the common good.
You can do whatever you want.
You have this pet project.
You have this pet issue.
Okay, well, you have this racial grievance group.
Okay, well, vote for Kamala Harris and forget about the common good.
She'll just give you exactly what you want to the disadvantage of other people.
And what Megyn Kelly is saying is, no, no, no.
Whatever personal issues I had with Trump in the past, it doesn't matter.
This is about more than personal stuff.
This man is the man for the moment.
This is the man for the common good.
You got to vote for this guy because he's going to do good things for everybody.
For all Americans, keep the foreigners out who are disrespecting our laws, and for women, and for men, and for everybody.
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Alright, last big endorsement I want to mention for President Trump.
That would be Patrick Mahomes' mother.
The mother of the Kansas City Chiefs football player just came out at a game that Taylor Swift attended and wore the MAGA hat.
Make America great again.
Let's do it!
Let's do it.
I love it.
I absolutely love it.
There are many more endorsements we could mention, but this is really great, especially because on the latter two, after Joe Rogan, you got Megyn Kelly, you got Patrick Mahomes' mother, I think Patrick Mahomes' wife, Had liked some pro-Trump posts a while ago.
So Patrick Mahomes has not endorsed President Trump formally, but you're getting a good sense.
Okay, I think there are a lot of people who support this man who maybe are playing a little bit cooler and are feeling more emboldened, more and more emboldened, especially women.
And this is that irony that Megyn Kelly was talking about.
Megyn Kelly talking about Mark Cuban here, when Mark Cuban said that Trump never surrounds himself with strong, intelligent women.
If you missed the video, listen to this absolute nonsense coming from the man who really, really wishes he could be Donald Trump.
Donald Trump, you never see him around strong, intelligent women.
Ever.
It's just that simple.
Now this, what is so crazy about this line, there's plenty of ways to attack Trump.
And Mark Cuban, I think, has a real grievance here because Mark Cuban could have been Donald Trump.
At least he thought he could have been.
He had a big show on TV and he's the brash billionaire and he has political ambitions and...
He just hasn't succeeded in those political ambitions and Trump has succeeded at the highest level.
So I think he's got some petty personal grievances too.
But this line, Trump doesn't surround himself with strong, intelligent women.
To me, this is the craziest attack I've ever heard on Trump.
If anything, you would say that Donald Trump surrounds himself with too many strong, intelligent women.
When you think about the people around Donald Trump, who do you think of?
You think of Kellyanne Conway, his campaign manager, the first woman ever successfully to run a presidential campaign in America.
That was the Trump campaign.
That was a Republican campaign.
You think of, I don't know, Sarah Sanders, his very successful press secretary, who then became governor of Arkansas, is currently the governor of Arkansas.
You think of Kayleigh McEnany, another very successful press secretary.
You think of Ivanka.
You think of his daughter is a hugely successful woman, had her own clothing line, is very, very powerful.
I don't know.
You think of Hope Hicks.
You think of Susie Wiles is currently running her campaign.
You think of the lawyer, the Trump lawyers, Jenna Ellis, Alina Haber.
I don't know.
The list goes on and on and on.
You want to knock Trump for anything.
Knock him for the length of his tie.
Knock him because you don't like his hairstyle.
But to say he doesn't surround himself with strong and intelligent women, he is probably the politician who most prominently surrounds himself with strong and intelligent women for his entire career.
And one hopes that on election day, those strong, intelligent women are going to see through the media BS. Now, one strong, intelligent woman who supports President Trump and who does a lot of great things in the United States Senate would be my senator, Marsha Blackburn.
Senator, thank you for coming on the show.
I'm delighted to join you.
Thank you so much for having me on on this election day.
And it is a pivotal election day.
I hope everybody realizes that Kamala broke it, Trump can fix it, and they get to the polls and cast that vote.
Well, I certainly hope so.
I just voted for you whenever, a few days ago, and I don't think you really needed my vote in the sense that you were leading your opponent by like 30 points.
But you always say, yes, you need every single vote.
But you are going to win.
Everyone needs to go out there and vote for Marsha, but you are going to win.
Tennessee remains a very...
I couldn't even tell you the name of your opponent off the top of my head.
There are many, many closer races in the swing states especially.
And we need to go out there because there's a lot of down ballot that people need to vote for.
But, Senator, I had trouble sleeping last night.
I'll tell you, I do not get...
I am not easily rattled, okay?
I take things as they come, and I actually do feel confident about this election, but I did not sleep very well because I know the stakes are so high, not just at the presidential level, but for the U.S. Senate, for the House races.
This feels like a more important election than other elections in my lifetime.
How do you feel about it, and what are your predictions?
I feel really, really good.
And I think President Trump has a history of getting more votes than where he polls.
So looking at the polling, I think it indicates that we're going to see him on a solid footing coming through the Midwest.
And yes, I do think before midnight he hits that 270 electoral votes.
When you look at the states where we have Senate races that we're going to win, West Virginia, Ohio, Montana, and the tied up races in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada, and a close race down in New Mexico with Nella Domenici.
You know, Michael and Trump is doing well.
In all of those, he is tied up.
Those races are tied up.
He may be a point or a half point ahead, but that bodes very well for President Trump and those down ballot races.
And of course, we were pleased with the totals coming from the early vote, the drop off in requests for mail-in ballots, the increase in the number of Republicans that have voted early.
All of that bodes very well for us.
And I think you're going to end up seeing President Trump elected and Republicans take the Senate, and we're also hopeful that they can keep the House.
You just said something that makes me personally very hopeful.
One, because I'm scheduled to be on air until like 2 in the morning or something tonight.
But two, because I know that the longer the count drags out, the more opportunity for shenanigans.
You just said you think that President Trump will get to 270 tonight.
I think we could see by midnight, see him reach that 270.
He's doing very well in Georgia, in North Carolina.
He's up in Pennsylvania.
He's up a little bit in Michigan and Wisconsin.
It's going to be interesting to see where this goes.
You know, he has said something many times, let's make it too big to rig.
And I think you might end up seeing that tonight.
Too big to rig is a beautiful statement.
I agree.
I feel good about the early voting numbers.
So you say, we're going to take the Senate.
Do you have any guess on how many seats?
Is it 52?
Is it 53?
I think it'll be 52 or 53.
It could be, if it's a very good night, it could be 54.
Wow.
And in terms of the House, you think that we're going to hold it?
Do you have any guess?
Is it going to be one person either way?
I don't know.
I have no insight into the House races.
I'm just very hopeful that they're going to be able to keep the House.
This is good news.
Senator, you've helped to assuage some of my nerves a little bit going into the day.
And of course, this is very important, even at a red state like Tennessee.
First of all, you've got to go out there and vote.
Also because hoping President Trump wins the Electoral College.
You know the Democrats are going to try to whine about anything that they possibly can, so it would be good if President Trump could win the popular vote.
Every vote counts.
And even in a race where I am quite confident that Senator Blackburn is going to be re-elected happily, go out there.
Make those margins really, really big.
Go out there and vote for downed ballot.
If you live in Nashville like I do, go vote against tax increases and things like that.
But, you know, there are all sorts of issues on the ballot.
So make sure that you go out there and make your voice heard.
Senator, I would say this.
People that are watching your show, for your kids and your grandkids, go vote today.
Because this country is going to be on a big government control track or it's going to be on a personal freedom track after this election today.
So don't miss out to make your voice heard.
Don't miss that, because I don't want to hear any complaining after the fact.
Things don't go the way you want them to go.
I don't want to hear complaining if you're not actually getting in the game, playing by the rules that we have to play by, and doing everything you can to push us over the finish line in this very high-stakes election.
Senator, I know it's a very busy day for you, so I appreciate your taking the time to come on, and I look forward to seeing you after you have been happily re-elected later on tonight.
Thank you.
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So we talked about all of the strong, intelligent women who support President Trump.
Now I'd like to turn to a different kind of woman.
The kind of woman who supports Kamala.
Whoopi Goldberg and the ladies on The View just interviewed Liz Cheney, a former Republican who's now stumping for Kamala.
And Whoopi...
She expressed a desire for what would happen in a Kamala administration that I think if you told Democrats that Whoopi Goldberg would be saying this to Liz Cheney, if you told them this 20 years ago, their heads would spin off of their heads.
Whoopi Goldberg, the ladies on The View, said that they want to see Liz Cheney be the director of the CIA. So, I have a question.
Are you also a lawyer?
I am.
So, You could conceivably be a great AG. And I say this because your moral core is magnificent.
And I know you probably don't want it, you don't want to think about it, but I just feel like I would feel a lot better With you leading the FBI, the CIA, the NBC, the MNC, everybody.
That's just me.
So I'm just saying, should it be floated, please think about it.
And under the radar...
We have to get Vice President Harris elected.
Yes.
But you know, I'm just, I'm being...
You're putting it out there in the universe.
I'm putting it in the universe.
Because that's how we do things.
You've woken up from a coma.
You've been in a coma since, say, 2006.
What's been going on in politics?
And you say, the host of The Apprentice has been the president, and he's running for president again.
He was almost murdered by his political opponents.
Turns out he was actually a really good president.
He's probably the best president of our lifetime.
The Cheney family is campaigning for the most liberal, leftist Democrat ever to run for president.
And the women of The View are campaigning for the daughter of Dick Cheney to be the head of the CIA. Did I miss anything?
Oh, you want to go back into your comment now?
Okay, that's fine.
Methinks the realignment is real.
Methinks that the political realignment that we've heard so much about over the past four to eight years is real.
Whoopi Goldberg telling Liz Cheney, you have such a strong moral core.
A woman who has never seen a country in the Middle East, she did not want to bomb.
The daughter of the man that Democrats called Darth Vader for at least a decade, more than a decade, really, you have such a strong moral core.
Why?
She has such a strong moral core because she has betrayed every principle she's ever pretended to hold other than desiring to invade other countries.
Other than that, though, she's betrayed every principle she's ever pretended to hold and betrayed the loyalty and trust of her fellow Republicans who have helped her in her political career.
And now, the ladies of The View wanted Cheney to run the CIA. That's a realignment, folks.
When the head of the Teamsters doesn't endorse the Democrat, that's a political realignment.
When Joe Rogan, who is the most mainstream podcaster, endorses Trump, the man that we were told is the most toxic Republican, maybe you can endorse a Bush or something, but you can't endorse a Trump, that's a realignment.
I guess this is why I'm so happy about the official Rogan endorsement, is because Rogan is signaling, hey, it's okay to endorse Trump.
Rogan is the emblem of the political middle.
Rogan is the avatar of the average voter, the median voter.
And Rogan is saying, I'm with Trump.
It's that meme that Elon posted on X that many people have posted recently, which is you got someone standing on the left, the political left, and there's a tug of war between the left and the right.
And the person on the left has been pulled over to the right because the left has gone so far to the left.
And now he didn't really move.
It's at the center of gravity moved.
I guess I'm on the right now.
I was on the left, but I guess I'm on the right now because of how far to the extremes the left has gone.
That's it.
Rogan hasn't really changed.
Elon Musk hasn't really changed.
Bobby Kennedy hasn't really changed.
In a way, it's...
Kind of sad that all of these guys are now considered on the right.
It can be helpful to us now, and we're going to hopefully win this election.
But it just shows you how much ground the left has taken.
And this realignment leads to all sorts of crazy things, like the women of The View endorsing a Cheney for the head of CIA. Now, what would happen if, I hate to even express this thought, but what would happen if Kamala got elected?
Beyond the ideological battles, there's just a question.
Kamala Harris is, let's say she's the president.
She's sitting across from Vladimir Putin.
She's sitting negotiating with Mohammed bin Salman, you know, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia.
She's sitting negotiating with Xi Jinping.
Beyond ideology, there is a basic level of intelligence and education and competence that is required to do that job.
Does Kamala possess it?
Well, I'll give you a little vignette.
You tell me what you think.
This just leaked to the New York Times.
Apparently, Kamala Harris did a podcast last summer with a guy named Kareem Rama.
He has a TikTok show and an Instagram show called Subway Takes.
This interview never aired.
It's just being leaked now to the New York Times and being reported elsewhere.
Over the summer, especially when the Gaza War was a big, hot political issue, this interviewer, Rama, asked Kamala what she thought about Gaza.
He said this, according to the Times, there's something going on in the world that 100% of Muslims care about.
She said she didn't want to talk about Gaza.
She said she wanted to talk about light, funny little topics like you'd ordinarily see on TikTok or Instagram.
So when her team was negotiating this interview, she said, no, I want to talk about Gaza.
I want to talk about fun little stuff like whether people should take their shoes off on airplanes.
Tee-hee-hee.
I'm so fun.
I'm so relatable.
So that was what they agreed to talk about.
Then...
When Kamala sat down for this interview, she says, no, I'm not going to talk about anything real.
I'm not going to talk about Gaza.
And I'm not even going to talk about the stupid triviality that we agreed to talk about, whether or not it's acceptable to take one's shoes off on an airplane.
She said she wanted to give her hot take that bacon is a spice.
To the Muslim interviewer, I don't know how worldly you are, familiar with world religions, Muslims generally frown upon bacon and It is haram.
She says, okay, of all the things I can talk about to distract from the real issue that I don't want to talk about, namely the war in Gaza, I'm going to bring up inadvertently Maybe the most offensive thing I could talk about with this guy.
So she says, ha ha ha.
There's no video, unfortunately.
The interview never aired.
But I'm just imagining from what I've read of this transcript.
She says, ha ha ha, you know, I think bacon is a spice.
Ha ha ha ha.
And she does a little cackle.
And Rama reportedly responds, I don't know.
I don't know.
You've lost me.
I'm not familiar with bacon.
And then she keeps going.
She doesn't get it.
She doesn't get that bacon is maybe not a great area of common ground with the Muslim interviewer.
She goes, think about it.
It's pure flavor.
And this guy's just like, can we, what?
Can we talk about something else?
This interview was so bad, it never aired.
The guy's sitting down with the presidential candidate, the nominee of the Democrat Party, she eventually came to be.
And this guy says, no, I'm not going to air it.
That's how bad this is.
Then, when Rama asked, he paused the interview, he asked Kamala Harris, can we just get back to some other topic?
She decided she wanted to talk about how much she likes anchovies on pizza.
And according to the Times and this unpublished video that they've seen, Rama says, well, I'm 100% unsure on both of those.
This woman would not be able to negotiate the Abraham Accords.
I'm pretty confident.
I'm not sure this woman would be able to negotiate a Diet Coke at McDonald's.
This woman...
Is not fit to be president.
She does not possess the rational faculties required, the judgment, the prudence, just any knowledge of anything, basically, to be president.
That's something that really worries me about this election.
Her policies would be awful.
She would want to kill all the babies and trans all the kids.
That's bad.
I know that that's bad.
All of the ideological aspects are—but she also just is not competent, and she is not knowledgeable about anything, and I'm not sure she possesses the requisite intelligence even to become knowledgeable were she so determined.
If this woman is elected, forget about the fact that she's a woman and that presents in itself challenges when you're dealing with guys like Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping.
It just does.
A feminist might say that's not fair, but it just does present those problems.
But it'd be one thing if she were the Iron Lady.
It'd be one thing if she were Margaret Thatcher.
She's not.
She's Kamala Harris.
And our enemies...
We'll take the opportunity to eat us for lunch if this woman becomes the president.
Now, back to Elon on Joe Rogan before we get out of here.
Elon does Joe Rogan's show.
He did not smoke a big spliff this time as he did, I believe, the last time he was on Joe Rogan's show.
But he...
Also expressed some worries about this election that are unique, say, in this election compared to all of the other elections in his lifetime.
Namely, Elon fears that if Trump does not win this election, we might not have any more elections.
Well, I'll say it again, man.
I think this is the last election.
If Trump doesn't win, this is the last election.
I think you're right.
Yeah.
I think you're right.
And I think people, and a lot of people, are waking up and realize that, that have been lifelong Democrats.
Guys like Bill Ackman, guys like Chamath.
Yeah, exactly.
Tulsi Gabbard switched over to the Republicans.
There's a lot of people who their whole life, they've been left-wing, and they realize, like, I can't do this anymore.
You and I used to be Democrats.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's nuts.
It's nuts, man.
And, you know, I mean, I think the things we want are just pretty basic.
You know, it's like we want individual liberties and we want opportunity.
We want America to remain the land of freedom and opportunity.
So we maximize people's personal freedom.
The government can't barge into your house and kill your pet.
That stuff is fucked up.
And that you succeed as a function of your hard work and talent, not anything else.
Not race, religion.
Okay, this is a fair enough point, I think.
Elon is expressing, I think, quite clearly that he is a liberal.
He is a liberal.
Some of us are conservatives, but he's a liberal.
He says, I want to maximize individual autonomy.
I didn't leave my party.
My party left me.
Joe Rogan's saying the same thing.
Tulsi Gabbard is saying much the same thing.
Bobby Kennedy is saying much the same thing.
Something has shifted.
And then the point that Elon is making here, I think, is really important.
Does he literally mean there won't be election day in four years?
No.
I don't think that's what he means literally.
He's saying that the left's program, especially of open borders and just declaring foreigners citizens even against the law, that practically speaking, that means that Americans will not have control over their government anymore.
They won't, for all intents and purposes, really be able to elect their leaders anymore if the leaders can just choose to make however many millions of people they want into American citizens.
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My favorite comment yesterday is from CaseWojo6186, who said, My life was a lot better under Trump.
Quite frankly, I took it for granted.
I did not know how bad things would get under Biden, and I'm positive it will get even worse under Communist Kamala.
Yeah, I think that's true.
The presidency does not determine every facet of your life.
It's not the most important thing in your life.
The most important thing in your life is probably your relationship with God, first and foremost, and followed by your relationship with your family and your local community.
These things are immediately more important.
Your job, what you're doing, even your leisure activities.
But these presidential elections are so important because they form the background of so much of that activity.
When goods and services cost 30% more because the wrong guy became president three and a half years ago, that's a problem.
That's going to affect how you can send your kids to school.
That's going to affect what kind of food you can buy for your family, okay?
When America is dragged into wars because instead of having the good foreign policy president with the most successful foreign policy in our lifetime, President Trump, you have some other guy or some other woman who And all of a sudden, America's bleeding money, bleeding blood through our service members.
The world is on the move.
There's war breaking up.
That affects you.
That affects the society.
That affects the background in which all those other activities take place.
And a lot of people take it for granted.
Don't take it for granted.
Now, back to Elon Musk.
Elon expressed a view on the Rogan show that is not unique to him.
Bill Maher recently expressed the same view.
Elon said to Joe, one of the things that drives him craziest about what the Democrats are doing right now is they are knowingly peddling hoaxes about Trump, including in the last few days of the campaign.
When you have deliberate, concerted, repeated pushing of hoaxes, you're like, wait a second.
Like, come on, man.
This is too far.
And you're supposed to be the good guys.
And you claim to be the good guys?
I'm like, exactly.
You're supposed to be the progressives.
Yes, the Dems are like, oh, we're the good guys, we're the honest people.
No, no, hang on.
You can't claim to be the good guys, you can't claim to be the honest people if you're deliberately pushing hoaxes that have been debunked thoroughly.
Yeah.
Even Snopes, which is a liberal thing, says it's bogus.
Yeah.
Like the fine people hoax.
Obama just said that on stage.
Obama just said that.
I was like, what the flying...
He doesn't give a...
He doesn't give a...
They're just...
That's a flat...
Flat out lie.
Flat out lie.
Notice the distinction here.
Elon's talking about deliberate hoaxes.
He's not saying when you just say things that aren't true.
When your ignorant lesbian leftist niece from Swarthmore, who doesn't know anything, shows up to Thanksgiving and starts mouthing off about how Trump called Nazis fine people...
It's annoying, and you should correct her if you can in a gentle, loving way, but she doesn't know.
She's just ignorant.
She's just saying something that isn't true because she believes media propaganda.
Not so when, as Elon and Joe are referencing here, Barack Obama shows up on the campaign trail a few days ago.
Barack Obama, say what you will about him.
He's an intelligent guy.
He's a pretty well-read guy.
He knows that it has been debunked time and time again, even by liberal outlets.
Trump did not call Nazis fine people at Charlottesville.
They've seen the tape.
They've read the transcript.
They know that isn't true.
But Barack Obama lies anyway.
Maybe you're Muslim American or Jewish American and you are heartbroken and furious about the ongoing bloodshed in the Middle East and worried about the rise of anti-Semitism.
Why would you place your faith in somebody who instituted a so-called Muslim ban?
Who sat down for pleasantries with Holocaust deniers?
Who said that there were very fine people on both sides of a white supremacist rally.
Why would you do that?
He sat down.
I love how Barack Obama a week ago said, how do we get so divided in this country?
How do we get so divided?
Trump says Nazis are fine people.
He did it.
He totally did.
Don't look at the tape, though.
Don't Google it.
Don't read any.
Just believe me.
He called Nazis fine people.
And the reason that Elon and Joe are objecting to that in particular, so many lies, but that one in particular is, It is insulting.
It is insulting to our intelligence.
Barack Obama is expressing a disrespect for the intelligence of his audience when he lies to them deliberately.
And through that disrespect, he is expressing a contempt of the American people.
And this should be no surprise.
Barack Obama, when he ran for president, he said he wanted to fundamentally transform America.
Which is tantamount to saying that he hates America as it is or as it was at that time.
Because you don't fundamentally transform, you don't want to fundamentally transform things that you love.
So he was expressing a contempt for the American people and for the United States.
And he was cheered on in that contempt by many people in America.
I think that's what's so offensive to people about this.
It's not just the mendacity.
It's not just the attempt to pull one over and get a little dirty trick in before the election.
It expresses a deeper disrespect and contempt for the audience, for the American people.
And Elon and Joe are there and they say, you know, I'm out.
I'm out.
This is just too much for me.
I guess I'm on the other side now.
It's not just Joe Rogan.
It's not just Elon Musk.
Bill Maher made the same point What do you make of the statement?
I woke up today to the headline that Trump had called for a firing squad for Liz Cheney.
And this is what I really don't like about the media.
No, he didn't.
You don't have to move me to not like Donald Trump.
No, he didn't.
No, he didn't, he says.
And he goes on to say...
Just to be clear, this is exactly what hippies always said.
This is exactly what Peacenix always said.
This is Fortunate Son, the song.
It's like, you know what?
It's very easy to sit in your building and send young men to die, apropos of Ukraine.
But, I don't know, the war does not look like it's going in the right direction.
Just so, just don't lie to me.
I don't like Donald Trump.
Don't lie to me and tell me she was in, he wants her in front of a firing squad.
He's saying, don't lie to me.
I already don't like that.
Don't, but don't, you're...
The media are making Bill Maher like Trump more because it's offensive.
And it's very telling that Trump's attacks on his rivals are true statements that they want to cover up.
When Trump says Kamala wants to end fracking, she said that.
We have videotape before saying that.
She said it on network television.
When Trump says Kamala supports an open border, she was the border czar under Biden and she left the border open.
You can check that.
When Trump says she wants to go soft on crime, she did campaign on going soft on crime.
She's held both sides of every single issue, but he's just pointing out things that she has said and that she has done.
When the Libs want to attack Trump, Harris and Biden and Obama, they make things up.
He called Nazis fine people at Charlottesville.
If they have to make things up, what that signals to me is, beyond the disrespect for the voters from the Democrats, what that signals to me is they don't have anything real to hit them on.
Even after all this time, even after a full term, even after then another presidential term campaigning out of office, even after all these decades in public life, they actually don't have all that much So they have to rig it a little bit.
There was one last little cheat they tried to get through.
SNL, which had a funny bit on Tim Kaine, I played it on the show yesterday, SNL snuck in Kamala Harris for one last appearance before the election.
It is nice to see you, Kamala.
And I'm just here to remind you, you got this.
Because you can do something your opponent cannot do.
you can open doors.
I see what you did there.
Like to a garbage truck, right?
I don't really laugh like that, do I? A little bit.
Now, Kamala, take my pommala.
The American people want to stop the chaos and end the dramala with a cool new stepmommala.
Kick back in our pajamas and watch Aram Kamala.
Like Legally Blondila.
And start decorating for Christmas.
Follow La La La.
Because what do we always say?
Keep Kamala and carry on-a-la.
Excuse me.
I have to take a little break here for a second.
That was very cringe-inducing and illegal, by the way.
That violates the FCC rule for equal time.
Because NBC is not a podcast.
It's not even cable.
It's a network TV show.
And so they really have to offer equal time to the other candidate.
And they're not going to do that, and they'll probably pay a fine.
All of which is to say, SNL knew what it was doing here.
NBC knew what it was doing.
It broke the rules, and it said, we won't have to deal with the consequences.
At least we won't have to deal with the consequences.
Until after it matters.
Until after election day.
There's going to be a lot of that today.
There's shenanigans in every single election.
There are attempts to cheat in every single election.
And in my experience, it's been disproportionately from the Democrats, but it's been going on for a very long time.
There are going to be so many attempts to skew things as the day drags on.
The RNC, the Trump team says they have very good lawyers.
They're watching this poll, poll watchers, people ready to make challenges if untoward actions are taking place.
But this is going to be white knuckle intense all the way until the end.
Whenever the end is.
And we'll be here.
So I think I'll be on air for about 37 hours today and then in perpetuity until the election results come in.
So this marks the end of the formal show.
But we are going to stay live until Mr.
Shapiro is on very shortly.
And I'll be joined by some friends of mine.
So I'll see you over there.
Before we get to some friends of mine, I want to take questions from the Chhem Lulachem, the Daily Wire Plus members.
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Don't cut Ben off today, says Tyler H. I fully intend to do that.
I can't wait to cut Ben off on his show and then all throughout the election night coverage.
Wow, that's a long day, says Ellie.
It's true.
Some are suggesting that 37 out of 24 hours is violating some kind of cosmic laws.
But it will happen.
We live in a strange age where the Cheneys are campaigning for the Democrat and Trump is the greatest president of this century.
So, you know, look, we live in unusual times.
I don't want to stay up until 3 a.m., lol, says Aitlian.
Well, too bad, because you're going to.
Catherine, I hope we find out tonight.
I know, me too.
Ugh, man.
We all hope that we find out tonight, but I really hope we find out tonight, because I will not sleep for days if we don't find out.
However, I have three kids under four, so actually, I'm more likely to sleep even just being on air at the Daily Wire in perpetuity than I would if I went home and lied in my bed.
What do I make for breakfast, says HSF Grazia.
Make it a small breakfast.
A little fasting is not a bad idea.
I'm not calling you fat.
I'm saying it's a good spiritual discipline, especially on election day.
Dude, they had to give Trump a minute ad on SNL. Yeah, they should.
They should, but they'll just pay a fine or something.
They'll deal with it after the election.
Okay.
Okay.
This is too much.
I'm getting a funnel of intelligence from the Chim Lulachem, so I want to narrow all of that.
I want to keep all of the intelligence, but I want just one source of it, and that will be my friend, Dr.
Spencer Clavin.
Dr.
Clavin, thank you for taking time out of your busy election day.
It's a true pleasure, or I would have said that until you made me listen to that SNL sketch.
However long...
It's not.
It's not.
Well, many of us are focused on comparisons between this election and, say, 2016 or 2020 or even 2004.
You have a little bit of a broader scope of things.
You don't read necessarily the columns of, I don't know, Jonah Goldberg or Ross Douthat so much as you read the columns of Polybius.
You know, or Machiavelli, or Seneca.
I don't know.
So, given your classicist background, I'm curious your thoughts on what Elon said.
Elon said, if we lose this election, this is going to be the last election, which has all sorts of implications to it.
Literal, there's subtext to that, all sorts of...
So, what's your take?
You put the 2024 American election in the scope of all, the history of all polities.
What are we looking at?
Well...
On the one hand, ever since I've been conscious, conscious, sentient, people have been saying that whatever election is going on is the most important election ever.
And if this bad guy gets into office, we're completely hosed.
We're toast.
On the other hand...
This is a very important election.
And if this Kamala person gets into office, we are hosed, man.
I actually, I wouldn't be so bold as to make a prediction.
I mean, maybe, you know, Musk's the richest man in the world.
Maybe he knows something I don't.
I wouldn't.
I'm part of my...
My experience of history and reading the annals of deep time has convinced me never to make predictions because one thing I think your boy Machiavelli would suggest is that human affairs aren't subject to the kind of ironclad mathematical scientific rules that we might wish to use to make those sorts of predictions.
But the Greeks before Machiavelli did have this idea about regimes, that even if things can't be predicted exactly, you can't do your Nostradamus chart and point with your finger exactly to when the republic's going to fall, you can discern I
You might start with a king, but then the king would become a tyrant.
And so the nobles would rise up and form an aristocracy.
And then they would kind of decay into this oligarchy.
And the people would rise up.
You get a democracy.
Democracy devolves into mob rule and some strong man takes over.
You know, this is called the cycle of regimes.
And our republic, the American republic, is designed as a kind of break.
It's a way out of, an exit ramp from that cycle so that we can actually have these different kinds of power balancing against one another.
This is the kind of thing we all learned in civics class, checks and balances.
And so what I would say is that we are right now undergoing One of the biggest stress tests to that system I think we've ever seen.
We've had a particularly violent one in the civil war, and people don't realize how miraculous it is that we came out of that conflict with our regime intact, that we still had a republic before and after we fought a war internally.
That's an incredible accomplishment on the part of the American system.
Now we have something that Machiavelli wrote a lot about, which is a crisis of confidence in the elites.
And when you talk about these patterns and the kinds of things that bring regimes down, I think that our elites have been toying with nothing.
napalm.
I mean, to say that they've been playing with fire would be to understate it.
It's like the fact that we're still talking now about having a relatively free and fair election, that we're hopeful we will know the outcome tonight or soon is kind of a miracle.
I know that things have seemed so awful, but relative to the possibilities, if you think about what happened to Athens after the Peloponnesian War, or if you think about the way that Rome faced the similar problems to us at the end of its Republican metamorphosed into an empire, into a totally new kind of regime.
We're toying with a lot of those same forces and our elites have been throwing fuel on that fire.
But we have two things that the Romans didn't have.
We have this new world that was opened up by the By our great Puritan forefathers, you know, long by their memory reign.
And we have the Lord Jesus Christ.
We have God Almighty.
And these are two major transformations from the world of pagan Rome.
And they shaped every step of the founding of our country.
People try to pretend that this was just an enlightenment sort of rationalist project.
We gave up on believing in God as part of government.
That's all hogwash.
It's all Hui.
The founders to a man believed that by founding this republic, they were shaping politics in the most godly way possible.
And that did include freedom of religion.
But that's because God is the God of freedom.
God has set us free for freedom and that's part of his intention for us.
He alone can bring us through what's about to happen.
You know, I'm not going to say that if Kamala comes in, we'll never have another shot at this ever.
But we are, I think right now, what we're just trying to decide is whether an American revival will sweep through the government or have to fight against the government.
And I do not mean with arms.
I don't mean like we're destined for civil war.
but I do mean that patriots who love this country, of which there are many, are going to either be working through their federal government under a Trump administration, or they're going to be harassed and hobbled and sought out and attacked by their federal government, as they have or they're going to be harassed and hobbled and sought out and attacked by their federal So, you know, we're trying to do something that's never been done.
We're We're trying to get through a regime crisis without a transformation of our regime.
If anybody's got a shot at it, we have.
But it's an important election.
My favorite part about your answer there is that you referred to the pilgrims of the Mayflower, which reminds me of my favorite cigar company, Mayflower Cigars.
But my second favorite point is this question of whether or not we will survive with our regime intact.
Because I've sometimes, this is my deeper reading of what Ilan has to say, is not that there won't be election day four years from now.
I bet there will be election day.
You know, Saddam Hussein had election day too.
But it's the question of whether or not when the Democrats legalize or make citizens of 11 million people, whether our vote really matters.
Whether it carries the significance that it presently does.
And obviously it would not in that case if there were to be mass amnesty.
It may not already, given all of the mass migration of the past 60 years, the largest movement of people anywhere in recorded history.
And so that is what got me thinking about Polybius is it seems to me all of the political wins are in our favor right now.
The economy is trash under Biden and Harris.
The foreign policy has gone completely to hell in a handbasket after Trump brought peace to the Middle East, for goodness sakes.
The immigration crisis is driving people crazy.
The domestic social issues, notably transing the kids, is really arousing passions and a lot of people, even on the center-left.
So...
It's all bad for the country, but it's good for Republicans.
Everything is working in our favor right now.
Kamala Harris is totally unpopular.
She's never won a single vote in a primary when she ran for president.
They'd swapped out their nominee last minute.
I'm just saying every single thing.
I could be here for two hours talking about all of the advantages that we have in this election, which then makes me think, if we cannot win in these circumstances...
Even President Trump.
Some people don't like President Trump, and he has more sympathy than he's ever had because they almost blew his head off twice.
If we can't win in these circumstances, can we just not win?
Meaning, if we can't win in 2024, is it possible?
The referendum is not on Trump or Kamala, but it's just a referendum on the kind of regime that we think we live in.
I think that's...
Extremely well put.
One thing that will really, as they say, blackpill me about Kamala Harris' victory is that she really does represent the avatar of our feckless elites.
She has no accomplishments.
She's never won a single primary election.
She is Effectively a hollow human shape in which is poured the pure desire for power for its own sake.
And that is a perfect embodiment of the larger network of people who don't care about this country, don't want us to succeed, don't want average Americans to have a country that serves them, but are rather in hock to their own interests.
Abstruse theories and their own political power.
And she is basically just an empty vessel for that machine.
And so it's in some ways extraordinarily fitting that she's the person that Donald Trump is up against.
During the primaries for this election, I used to think that the face-off we really deserved was Ron DeSantis versus Trump.
Governor Gavin Newsom of California.
I thought these two governors represent the two red and blue state approaches that have had exactly the wages you would expect them to have.
Florida is thriving.
It's open.
It's free.
It's full of, in fact, a multicultural but nevertheless Americanist verve.
California is a You and I both fled it.
We're both California refugees.
We know whereof we speak.
And I thought, what we really need is for these two guys to represent these two approaches to American government.
And so when it turned out to be Trump-Biden and then Trump-Kamala, at first I thought, you know, we've really kind of gotten stuck here in a sort of, like we're reliving our traumas or something from the past year.
I don't think that anymore.
I actually think this is the exact election we deserve.
It's not the election I wish we had.
It's not the candidates I wish we were watching face off against each other.
But in fact, it does plausibly represent the conflict at the heart of the country right now.
On the one hand, you have a kind of pandering, racist, tribalist, classist, anti-meritocratic regime who's Representatives are effectively faceless, who can be swapped out literally at will.
They can just drop somebody else into that empty spot.
And on the other hand, you have this messy, scrappy, relentless, uncouth, and utterly lovable rascal, right?
This total...
King David style kind of, you know, bulldozer.
Literally dancing before the Lord.
Literally with this thing.
Right.
And, you know, as just every bit as imperfect a vessel as David was, backed by all of the smartest people in the country, all the most interesting thinkers in the country, and an actual representative sample of the populace, the people of the country.
Trump has an actual Republican coalition, not in the capital R sense of this is the Republican candidate, but in the small R sense that he represents all three major class interests within a republic.
He has the genuine elite are behind him in the person of J.D. Vance, for instance, actual smart people with or without credentials.
The sort of power brokers of the country who are interested in making genuine moves in the electorate, which is, you know, or rather in the executive branch.
And then a sampling of the public that genuinely represents, I think, the American spirit.
And yeah, we're actually sort of seeing which of those two things.
If our system is working, it's obvious which of those two things should succeed.
It's the representative sample of the of the public will.
If it's not, then, yeah, like we can have elections or not have elections.
It really doesn't doesn't matter.
So then I want to get to your prediction, because your point on the diversity, the proper variety, you know, Republican diversity of the Trump coalition is impressive, I believe.
I was at the MSG rally in New York, and someone, a black guy pointed out to me, he said, you know, this is the most diverse movement in American politics.
And he was speaking not of your...
Your class distinction, which I think is an important one also, maybe a more important one, but also he just pointed out there was a lady in a hijab and a dude waving an Israel flag like 40 feet away from each other, and they both had good reason to support Trump, actually, to say nothing of all the races and sexes and all the rest of it.
That's there.
You don't see that kind of vibrancy on Kamala's team.
But then, okay, it all sounds good.
It all sounds really good, Dr.
Klavan.
In theory, I agree with you on what the election represents, what the stakes are.
I agree with you.
This is the fight that we should be having.
This is the appropriate fight for this moment.
Are we going to win?
"Neither the pollsters, nor the pundits, nor perhaps even the angels in heaven, but only God the Father knows what's..." I genuinely believe, I've been reading the polls, I've been watching as each new result comes in from early voting.
I've been scrutinizing the tea leaves with the best of them.
And all I can conclude is that nobody knows a thing.
It seems like all our categories are completely exploded.
So, Having said that, and throwing caution to the winds, I'm very hopeful.
I'm an optimist about this election.
What you have said about a word that was really misused in this election, the joy, the energy, the vibrancy, right?
Which was astroturfed into the Kamala Harris presidency when she first, or rather candidacy, when she first emerged, but was really only there as an attempt to To steal something that is one of Trump's actual best qualities.
You know, that plus the genuine...
You know, guys like us who are sort of really invested in our philosophy and our principles, we often get mad at Trump about this.
And it's funny because people will come up to me and they'll say, like, how can you support Donald Trump this...
Abortion-hating, gay-banning villain.
And I'll say to these people, I know a lot of people who wish that were an accurate depiction of Donald Trump.
You don't understand that the Republican hard right now is very upset with Trump because he's not that guy at all.
He's this sort of expansive...
I mean, the McDonald's Oh, it's a beautiful moment.
It was the most perfect embodiment of who this guy is.
I still think that that's what the country wants and is ready for.
You probably didn't wake up this morning and expect to discuss the Edict of Caracalla on your podcast, Michael?
Of course I did.
Every morning.
I'm sorry.
Well, I was under the impression that nobody expects the Edict of Caracalla, but I guess that's the Spanish Inquisition, which you probably also have discussed now that I think about it on the show.
The Edict of Caracalla is this sort of obscure 3rd century AD legal reform by Emperor Caracalla, a notorious tyrant.
Which finally gave up the ghost and attributed citizenship to everybody, effectively every male under Roman jurisdiction.
They had a very elaborate, kind of complex system, sort of like some of the stuff we do in our territories and outlying quasi-states where some people were citizens, some people had various rights.
Karakal is just like, no, everybody is a citizen.
Why did he do it?
He did it to bulk up his military, that is to get warm bodies who could serve in the Roman military and to increase his tax base.
In other words, the most notorious tyrants in history have been interested in importing mass citizenry in an indistinguishable wash of people for their own craven purposes.
I'm not saying that this aspect of history repeats itself.
It's just I'm saying that this aspect of history repeats So you're right.
The big kind of worry that I have.
There's already been such a craven, cynical, disgusting, self-interested, and most of all, dishonest, hypocritical effort to kind of swell the ranks of the voter rolls with people from God knows where, who may or may not be perfectly decent people, but are obviously being used in this political ploy by the Democrats.
That keeps me up at night.
But, you know, I'm hopeful.
I've got my first cup of covfefe, and I'm hoping that it's going to be the first event.
One of many, many more today.
I agree with you on that, I think, realistic note.
I wouldn't say on that, you know, jokingly on that happy note or something.
That's a realistic note.
The hour is quite late.
This stuff has been going on for a long time.
However, we're hopeful because hope is a theological fact, and there are ultimate causes of hope.
And I think there are even immediate causes of hope in this election, though.
None of us knows, at least not until right now.
Everyone needs to go out right now, right this second, and get Spencer's book, Light of the Mind, Light of the World, which is probably the best book I've read in 10 years.
Certainly that has come out recently.
I guess I've read, you know, like Tolstoy recently.
And it's up there.
But this book is absolutely magnificent, Light of the Mind, Light of the World.
And you should follow Spencer's podcast, Young Heretics.
Dr.
Klavan, Thank you for coming on the show.
Sir.
It's always a pleasure.
Thanks, Michael.
See you later.
Now, I believe I have one last guest before I have to give up this show to Ben.
Is that correct?
I think I have one last guest who is somewhere in my building right now.
And that would be...
Well, we don't have her yet.
Okay.
She's playing hard to get.
That's totally fine.
And I do want to take at least a few questions from the chat.
Vote for President Covfefe, says Sniper.
So true.
Catherine, hope is one of the three theological virtues.
That is true, and it's a fact, because it's based on a real event that happened.
Got to go see you guys tonight, says Conservative family.
There are going to be people, if you're like me, at least, good for you if you can take a break from watching the election come in.
If you're like me, I have been watching...
I've got stuff happening, just refreshing my feed since last night when I was writing my show.
I was sitting out with a cigar.
I've just been refreshing my...
And that's probably going to be the case until they call it.
So if you can go take a nap or something or go do your work, then that's probably a good idea.
At some point, maybe around lunch, take a little break for lunch and then you can come right back to it.
But we will be with you all day long in one form or another.
We have Mary Mort...
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm so pleased to bring on my friend...
Of TimCast fame, that would be Mary Morgan.
Mary Morgan, thank you for being here.
Hi, Michael.
You're so close yet so far away.
I know.
Well, I was wondering where you are.
Are we coming to you live from a black hole or something like that?
Where are you?
I don't even know.
This is like I'm in a broom closet somewhere.
That might be my old studio, I think.
Mary Morgan, you're a ute.
You're a young lady.
You've got your finger on the pulse of what all the cool, hip, young, jive-talking kids are doing.
What is going to happen tonight?
I'm so glad that you're looking to me for insight about All of the cool, young, hip people.
I can enlighten you about what all of the white girl, Gen Z voters are thinking about.
And I hate to say it, but they are not going to be voting for Trump in droves.
They are so activated by the issue of abortion.
And I'm still thinking about this so much because it came up on Timcast IRL last night, just how much this issue has activated female voters.
And I've noticed that really Kamala is campaigning to women and seniors, but to women.
And Trump is trying to campaign to everyone, which is what you should do if you're a populist.
But it seems to be whatever she is doing is working at least to activate those female voters.
And it's really their number one issue.
And people find it really disturbing, as they should, if you really think about what that means.
Yes, I saw these ads that, you know, they say, think of your daughters, men.
And when you go into the voting booth, think of your daughters and your granddaughters and their rights.
And I was talking this over at home last night.
And that ad is basically saying, hey, men.
If Trump wins, again, this is also kind of based on just Kamala's pandering of her campaign, you know, pushing weird sex stuff and contraception and abortion and all this.
But what the ad itself is saying is, hey men, if Trump wins, your daughter won't be able to be sexually used and abused by lots and lots of men, and she might not be able to kill your grandchild.
That's why you have to vote for Kamala.
And I thought, you know, that's like a pretty crazy appeal, man.
If I were a man, I mean, again, I'm not a man like Tim Walz or whatever, you know, I'm not that new kind of man that they're trying to create.
But if I were, that would be really scandalous to me.
Hey, the chief appeal is, vote for Kamala so your daughter can be super promiscuous and abused by all sorts of anonymous men, and then maybe if she becomes pregnant, so that she can murder her child, your grandchild.
I don't know.
There would be a Michael-shaped hole in the wall so that I could go run and vote for Donald Trump.
Yeah, you're right.
It's super disturbing, and it's not just the ads that are pushing those ideas.
But when I saw them, I was just like, oh yeah, your daughter getting an abortion one day.
That's just every father's dream, right?
Where is this coming from?
And I really just think it's a spiritual problem.
And again, this came up on IRL last night.
We were talking about how people aren't having kids as much.
And I think Phil pointed out that there aren't pro-family policies, but really it's got to start with the culture and these cultural attitudes.
They are clearly targeting people with those cultural attitudes, with those ads.
And they do exist, unfortunately.
Those attitudes do exist.
And the reason why abortion is so prized in our culture, especially by women, partly it's because of fear.
There is a lot of fear about violence, lack of resources, survival in our progressive future.
But most of all, it's about how it represents our sexual license.
And this is the key to our sexual license.
And we've decided that that's the trade-off we want to make for it.
This is why the left needs abortion, is because the left is pro-sexual revolution.
So if you do it in the old way, which is if you want to do that deed, you have to be married.
And if you do it and you become pregnant and you're not married, then you actually probably should just get married.
But if you don't believe that, if you're going to try to blow up that whole thing, the fundamental political unit, which is the marriage— Then you can try to do it with contraception, but contraception is not foolproof.
People get pregnant even on contraception.
And so then you need that stopgap in order to really pretend that men and women are exactly the same and they're not complementary and marriage is unnecessary and a woman needs a man like a fish and needs a bicycle.
If you're going to pretend that as the Democrats have for 60 years now or 50 years now, then...
You need that final measure that says, okay, and if you do get pregnant, we'll kill your kid for you, and it's totally fine.
And it has activated women.
I wonder, though, especially for these younger women who are voting on this issue, I kind of wonder if it's younger women, and also I've noticed some boomer women who came up during the 60s and 70s when abortion was the hot thing.
A lot of them, I think, in my experience, they are more left-wing.
They're more likely to support Kamala over an issue like that than, say, the millennial women who are I know a number of women who have had abortions.
All of them have been traumatized by it.
Every single one of them.
And some of them are open about that fact.
And some of them are just kind of white knuckling it and they're in denial.
But it's obvious to anyone who has eyes.
Like, could you imagine you're a father or a grandfather or something and you listen to that Kamala ad and you think, ah, yes, what I really want for my daughter or granddaughter is to have an abortion.
Even forget about the baby for a moment.
I want my daughter or granddaughter to live with an unspeakable trauma for the rest of her life. - And if we're to believe the statistic that I believe it's one in four women in this country have gotten an abortion, possibly multiple, that is incredibly common.
And...
I feel bad sharing this personal anecdote because it makes me look bad, but I recently drove past this pro-abortion rally where all of these older women that you were talking about, these boomers, were holding up pro-abortion signs and one of them said abortion is health care and I just threw up a middle finger at this lady, and I should not have done that.
It was an expression of passion.
The shame is palpable and it gets expressed in these displays of exhibitionism and pride and shout your abortion so it's really sad it's tragic and their their feelings of shame are being exploited by these political ads.
And by the devil.
I mean, this is one of the tricks of the devil.
It's like a really basic trick, but the devil whispers in your ear and says, hey, that sin you want to commit, it's no big deal.
It's not a problem.
Don't worry.
Just do it.
And then the minute you do it, the devil says, by the way, that's completely unforgivable.
You're toast.
You're done.
And so the thing is, for a conservative, certainly for Christians, we would say, you can be forgiven.
There's really nothing that you can do that you can't be forgiven for.
Just ask forgiveness.
Just repent.
But in order to do that, you have to look yourself in the mirror and admit that you've done a horrible, horrible thing.
And I think a lot of people don't want to do that.
And then you've got a political movement that's pandering to you and saying, no, it's actually great.
It's good.
That shame you feel, push it deep, deep down.
Uh-uh, baby.
Shout your abortion.
Vote.
Forget about the economy.
Forget about inflation.
Forget about your national borders.
Forget about all the wars that could start and have started after they booted Trump out.
Forget about all that stuff.
All that matters is that you not acknowledge that human life is dignified and ought to be protected all along the way, especially innocent human life.
So, okay, on that, all those happy notes, Mary Morgan, do you have any predictions, not just for the young women, but do you have predictions for how the night goes?
Well, I just saw that that baby hippo, Mudang, was presented with a couple of watermelons, and one of them said Trump, and the other said Kamala, and she picked Trump.
So she doesn't have a track record.
I think she was born, like, four months ago, but I think I'm just gonna go with that.
Last night, I said that I thought Kamala was gonna win.
I take it back.
I was just saying words.
I'm cautiously optimistic.
I think Trump is going to win.
And it's because of something you said, like his story can't end like that.
It can't end.
He's such a mythological person.
His story just doesn't, it will not end with a loss.
So I'm going to go with that.
Yeah, that's good.
But I'm really pleased to see the Mudang endorsement because just in the last 24 hours, we got the Rogan endorsement.
That was big.
We got the Megyn Kelly endorsement.
That was a big one.
Patrick Mahomes' mom endorsed.
That was big.
But I think a lot of people were waiting to see...
If Mudang would make a formal endorsement and which way, pardon, I'm so excited, my hands are going all over the place, which way Mudang would go.
And so I'm pleased to see, you know, Mudang is not afraid of being canceled, is not afraid of retribution from the left, is not afraid of the audit that's going to come, you know, if Kamala wins.
I'm not sure what country Mudang is in, but it's good news.
So Mudang is for Trump.
She's obviously the most important.
Clearly, without question.
Yeah.
Mudang, Mary Morgan, and everyone in between.
Mary, Morgan, thank you so much.
I think I'll be seeing you later, is that right?
Yes, definitely.
I'll probably see you later, just in the break room, because we're kind of all around here, right?
Timcast is all over.
Okay, before I finally hand this over to Ben, I do want to...
We speak to the Chem Nulachem just a little bit more because, as I mentioned earlier, I'm so glad that we're out on X and we're out on YouTube right now and people are glued to their screens all day, of course, and you're going to be refreshing.
That's good, but we've got to take questions only from the Daily Wire Plus members.
So if you want to get your questions in there, express your opinions, your passions, your irascible appetites.
You need to become a Daily Wire Plus member.
Great way to get your Mayflower cigars.
Great way to get, you know, all sorts of stuff.
The candles.
Sniper says, Mary Morgan is dark maga and also lovely.
She is dark maga in that black box that we've locked her in to do these hits.
Let's see.
Vote for Trump in Minnesota.
So true.
That would be great.
One time, I was sitting with Ed Rollins, who was Ronald Reagan's campaign manager in 1984.
That was the re-elect.
And officially, Reagan won 49 states.
The only state that he lost was Walter Mondale's home state.
Walter Mondale was the opponent of Minnesota.
And Ed told me, he said, you know...
I actually think we won Minnesota too, but we didn't want to look greedy and sue for it, so we accepted 49 states.
But he thought that Trump won Minnesota and there was just some shenanigans going on.
So I don't know.
That would be absolutely magnificent if Trump could win Minnesota.
I'm not counting on it.
Dr.
John, Richard Gere just endorsed Harris.
Such great memes.
Can you say gerbil?
That's not nice.
Richard Gere is actually a cousin of mine.
This is true.
I'm not making this up.
Richard Gere is a descendant of Lydia Fuller.
Lydia Fuller married Simon Knowles.
Oh, no, I'm sorry.
He's a descendant of Lydia's mother, who is also Lydia, I think.
Something like that.
But anyway, he's not a Knowles descendant, but he is a descendant from my Mayflower ancestors, like my Mayflower cigar.
And he and I had the same acting teacher when I was a young boy, and he was much younger.
How confident are you that Trump will win, says Minns.
Not confident.
I'm hopeful.
I'd put a small amount of money on it.
The reason it's so difficult to make election predictions this time is because the Democrats changed all the rules last time.
That's the real reason.
There are other reasons.
You know, it's a tight race.
It's a crazy election.
Things have happened that haven't happened in the past.
Recently, Trump was nearly assassinated.
The Democrats swapped out their nominee.
They're just...
When you don't have a long track record, when there's not a lot of precedent, then it's hard to make predictions based on old models.
But also the Democrats just changed all the rules.
So when you have wider mail-in voting, when you have early voting, when you have all these things, it just confounds the models.
Zero out of ten would not recommend, says Napicar.
Well, you might recommend your grandmother, but probably not her views.
Picardy46455, I got pregnant while on birth control and decided to have our child.
Best decision we ever made.
It was a great decision to not have an abortion or anything like that.
All's well that ends well, I suppose.
Trump ain't winning the popular vote, says Tyler H. It seems unlikely that he would win the popular vote, but that'd be great.
P calling is 144-846.
I couldn't sleep well last night.
I was so nervous about the election.
Yeah, I did not sleep well last night, which is unusual for me, unless the kids wake me up or something.
But last night I slept in the guest room, actually, because I wanted to get a good night's sleep, and I didn't anyway.
Let's see.
Ken Cheshire6938, my son's girlfriend had an abortion 10 years ago.
He has moved on, but the loss of that baby still haunts him today.
Yeah.
Yeah, sorry to hear that.
Many, many such cases.
I'm a 62-year-old boomer and voted early for Trump, says Unwoke0906.
Let's go.
Love to hear that.
Unwoke0906.
They want to pull up the ladder for all of these other women by denying them family and happiness, says CricketMe.
That's a good way to put it.
You know, the Libs say, you want to pull up the ladder of all this progress and, you know, deny it to all of these women.
But no, it's kind of the opposite.
What the Libs are doing is denying happiness and flourishing and tradition and all the stuff that's made women happy for all of history.
Based Hippo, says Pedreg89.
Yes, Mudang all the way, says Noah Bruce.
Animals for Trumps.
Animals for Trump.
Hippos, squirrels, raccoons, cats and dogs.
Yeah, animals have played a disproportionate role in this presidential election, haven't they?
Michael's Italian is coming out of his hands.
These are some seriously Italian gesticulations.
I know they are.
I'm getting a little...
I'm excited today.
I don't know what else to tell you.
What do we got?
Before we go, let's just check in on some of the last polls.
John Ralston, the story came in later last night.
John Ralston is one of the most respected pollsters in Nevada.
Rolston is predicting a Trump win in Nevada.
Or, I'm sorry, he's predicting that the Democrats will win in Nevada.
Kamala Harris and also Jackie Rosen running in the Senate race against Sam Brown.
Sam Brown, who's been on the show, did a wonderful interview, which you can get on my YouTube channel.
The margins are pretty slim.
Rolston is saying that Harris will win by 0.3%.
So 48.5% to Trump's 48.2%.
That's pretty tight.
Obviously, all these pollsters are trying to give themselves plausible deniability here.
They don't want to make bold predictions.
He's saying that Jackie Rosen is going to beat Sam Brown by 5%.
Now, do you believe this or not?
There have been good moves in Nevada recently.
However, something to remember is that Harry Reid, the old Senate Majority Leader Democrat, he built a pretty powerful machine out there in Nevada.
And so certain states are more corrupt than other states.
It's just how it is.
And...
Nevada has a decent amount of corruption and also just has a working political machine, even beyond the illegality.
It's just got a working political machine.
So that's a fear.
It probably wouldn't affect the election all that much.
The paths to 270 don't really require Nevada.
But I think it also shows you just how the pollsters do not want to go out on a limb here.
No matter what happens, the pollsters can say, okay, well, we almost had it.
Unless it's a blowout.
Unless it legitimately is too big to rig.
I mean, to Spencer's point earlier, I think basically no one knows.
No one knows.
No one wants to risk anything.
The risk aversion of the pollsters right now tells you that the pollsters are seeing that the political temperature of the country is very, very high.
And so everyone's on tenterhooks.
Even people who are cool, calm, and collected, like your boy here, are not sleeping well.
And we might not sleep well for a few days, depending on how those results come in.
Is everyone else watching Michael speak with Marsha Blackburn?
Says Bailey Spillman.
I was speaking with Marsha Blackburn about an hour ago.
So you're a little bit behind, I think, in the chat.
Let's go Trump.
If you predict a close race and it's a blowout, that's not a very good hedge, says Patch.
That's true.
That's a good point.
But it's a more forgivable hedge because at least half the people will be very happy.
Spears Jammer 0542, one of the most ardent supporters of Trump that I know is a Mexican immigrant.
He entered illegally as a teenager but worked hard, spent a lot of hard-earned money to eventually earn his citizenship.
Lots of Hispanics around here, WV and Northern Virginia supporting Trump.
Well, this is the question.
Beyond who is going to win, beyond the down-ballot races, is the political alignment real?
We've been told for many cycles now there's a realignment going on, racial realignment, class realignment.
Is that happening?
We're going to find out.
But you know what we're going to find out right now?
We're going to find out what my friend Ben Shapiro has to talk about today.
Ben, are you there?
I am.
I am.
I am here.
The day has come.
Judgment Day.
Okay, Michael, I've got to ask you.
Facts don't care about your feelings, but I do.
So what are your feelings on this day of days?
I'm going to be completely straight with you.
I'm not joking or being cute at all.
I slept horribly last night.
And it's not just because of my kids.
I slept in the guest room because I knew we were going to be up for 72 hours.
So I tried to get a good night's sleep.
I feel like I slept for 45 minutes.
And I am not a nervous guy.
I'm on edge.
How about you?
If it were the reverse, then you'd feel really terrible.
So that's one way of looking at these things.
Also, it's hard to see this drama ending with Kamala Harris as president of the United States.
She's a nothing.
She's a big nothing burger.
And she's a bad nothing burger as well.
So, again, I'm cautiously optimistic.
I think that we're going to be here all hours for the next year, just figuring out exactly who won.
So not super enthused about that.
But, you know, there's a lot to talk about.
Everybody needs to get out and vote.
That's the big one, right?
Everybody votes.
Everybody votes today.
This is not the day where you're in Pennsylvania and just get lazy and then it turns out that...
Dave McCormick loses his race by one vote because you decided to stay home or Donald Trump ends up not going back to the White House because, you know, your car broke down.
Like, find a way to the polls.
Get all your friends to vote as well.
It's just too important.
Michael, any closing thoughts before we see you later on the set for the rest of our lives?
Yes, I've already voted.
So what I'm going to go now is I'm going to go drink, Ben, because you can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning.
And that is an excellent point.
Well, folks, we here at the Ben Shapiro Show, we're going to jump into all the news in just a moment.
