Michael & The Witch: "The Blood Oath Killed My Father" | Julie Lopez
In one of the most chilling interviews of the year, Michael Knowles sits down with Julia Lopez, a former witch who stepped away from the dark realm of the occult to embrace the light of Jesus. With the haunting backdrop of her father's demise due to a 'blood oath,' Julia's narrative is a gripping tale of redemption, spirituality, and the age-old battle between good and evil.
From rituals and dark pacts to finding solace in faith, this conversation with Julia takes viewers on a profound journey of transformation. If you've ever been curious about the unseen world or the power of faith to reshape lives, this interview promises insights like never before.
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Witchcraft in general is control and manipulation.
It's something that you do to get something in return.
Do witches worship the moon?
Especially during Halloween, they believe that it opens up in the spiritual realm.
This was just accepted as commonplace.
What are the nuts and bolts of it like?
A demon came and the main witch, she just got possessed and she started to speak.
Someone in your family is going to die in one week.
My dad committed suicide and he was hanging there.
We hear a lot about witch hunts, political witch hunts, social witch hunts.
And the premise of the phrase witch hunt is that something is preposterous, unjust, because witches don't exist.
But what if they do?
What if they exist?
What if people practice witchcraft?
What if they've done that for millennia?
And what if an increasing number of people are doing that right now?
What would my proof of such a wild contention be?
A former witch.
That would be Julie Lopez.
Julie, thank you for being here.
Michael, thank you so much for having me here today.
Julie, in this longer forum series, I've talked to all sorts of people who have tended to fall more onto the spiritual side of things.
So we've talked to people who are kind of new agey, I've spoken to an exorcist, I've talked to a psychic.
You're the first person I'm talking to who would have called herself a witch.
And so for some people who might accept, okay, there's a spiritual realm and maybe there's something to, you know, the vibes and the, you know, the psychic powers and whatever.
I think even for those people, to hear that witchcraft is real, that's going to be a bridge too far.
But you say it's real.
It is real, and I say to people, you can take what you want from me, but you cannot take my testimony and what I lived.
And witchcraft was part of my life for generations, five generations.
My great-grandmother, my grandmother, my mother, myself, and it ended in me because of the consequences that, you know, throughout generations, I realized this has to end in me.
I don't want my generations.
I don't want my children.
to be involved in this.
So I'm talking from my own experience.
This is not something that I learned in a book or in a movie.
This is something that was in my family.
Four generations, that means that your great-grandmother practiced witchcraft?
Yeah.
My great-grandmother was-- she was a medium.
She was a psychic.
She was the healer.
So she used to move in different areas.
And she was the one that introduced all of us into witchcraft.
But something interesting is that we never call ourselves witches.
We never said, oh, we are witches, we are moving it.
No, because it was part of our DNA.
So we didn't have to say to people, we are doing witchcraft or we are witches because we grew up like that.
Were you conscious of it being witchcraft at the time, and you just didn't tell people, or you weren't even conscious?
I didn't.
You know, when I became Christian, that's when I realized, wait a minute, I was doing witchcraft.
My family was doing witchcraft.
And you know, I didn't share my testimony for like Twelve years.
I just shared my testimony.
I started to share my testimony last year because I, first of all, I was scared of my background.
I was ashamed that, you know, that my father died because of witchcraft.
And so I just stopped kind of like hiding that part of me.
And until I realized actually that we were actually deeply involved in witchcraft, like my whole family.
This might be a sore subject, so don't feel the need to go too in-depth if you don't want to, but how did your father die from witchcraft?
So that's part of my testimony on how witchcraft ends in me.
So we grew up with a lot of witchcraft.
Towards the end of my father dying, we got involved in black witchcraft, which is The witchcraft that you use to harm people, to control.
Witchcraft in general is control and manipulation.
But towards that year, we were just involved in witchcraft because my mother got connected to a friend that was a black witch.
So, someone the most in black witchcraft.
And she started to train me.
She saw me and she said, you know, your daughter has a gift.
And we did a ritual and they consecrated me to one of the three Venezuelan powers, which is a principality.
It's a demon of high rank.
And he became my spirit guide.
He became kind of like my guide.
I used to go to him for rituals if I needed something, so I started to learn when he was in a room, smell his presence, feel his presence.
And also I started to get super depressed, suicidal, because also the spiritual realm works with blood.
So when you are increasing in power, also the things that you have to do increase in power.
So these demons will ask you for maybe do sacrifices or do something deeper.
Blood is part of that.
So I didn't realize that through me cutting myself, right, I was making a covenant with this demon because the blood is powerful for initiation of covenants.
So I didn't realize that through me doing that, subconsciously, I was giving power to this demon.
I was making a covenant with him.
So you were harming yourself, but not in a conscious way, saying this is part of the witchcraft ritual.
You were just doing it because you were depressed?
At first it was part of the ritual, but after that I just became suicidal.
I ended up in the hospital.
I tried to commit suicide because I felt so tormented.
And that was when we did a ritual in the entrance of the house with all the witches.
We were there.
We were speaking in tongues.
And after that, a demon came and the main witch, she just got possessed and she started to speak.
These words, and this witch looked at my mom and told my mom, like, someone in your family is going to die in one week.
So I look at my mom and I told her, Liz, I don't want to know because I was so suicidal that I didn't want to know.
My mom started to cry and this demon started to ask my mom, do you want to know who it is?
Do you want to know who it is?
And I look at my mom, my mom started to cry, and I was like, Liz, Liz, close please.
So we closed.
And one week later, so by this point I was living with this, which my mom called us at like four in the morning, four or five, and she said, you have to come home quick.
So when I went home, my mom was outside completely shocked, crying with my two-year-old brother.
And I was looking for my dad, so I was calling him, like, like, dad, dad, dad.
I entered the house, and when I entered the house, I felt this heavy atmosphere.
It's like someone put a cloth on me, and I couldn't even walk.
When I went to the room, I couldn't find my dad, so I ran outside, and I had the feeling to check next to the storage that we had close to the house.
And when I pushed, my dad committed suicide, and he was hanging there.
And when I saw him for me that was the moment where my whole existence just collapsed.
My whole family got ruined and we realized that so the witch that was training me in Black Witchcraft, the person that My mom was friendly.
She basically was kind of like she came with a mission.
She came not only to train me and to, you know, but also she came to destroy my family.
And in fact, as soon as my dad died, She stopped speaking to my mom.
So my mom realized, like, wow.
And my mom had also a friend in Colombia that she used to be a white witch.
And she told my mom, be careful with her because she's not coming with good intentions.
She's going to destroy your family.
And also when she tried to astral project to my house, She said, I cannot enter your house because there is a blood cloth that is someone of her rank taking over your house.
You are in danger.
But my mom thought, you know what?
She's been crazy.
She's just being territorial.
So she stopped talking to her.
So when my dad died, this witch knew because she saw it in the spirit.
So she called my mom and my mom cried and she said, yes, he died yesterday.
This and this happened.
And she told her, Cut all communication with this witch and that's what we did.
But my mom realized straight away that our family got destroyed because of witchcraft.
I didn't realize just yet because I had trauma, I had anger, I hated my mom so I was blaming her.
So I continued to do witchcraft.
I left my mom.
I went to live alone.
I was 18.
I became alcoholic, drinking, more suicidal.
But my mom, she repented because she knew witchcraft killed my husband.
We did this.
We gave up authority to these demons.
We did something that we weren't supposed to do.
And yeah, that's how my testimony ends.
Is it possible that the witchcraft narrative is just a way to explain the natural events that took place in your family?
To me, I'm Christian, what you're saying makes perfect sense and I don't bat an eyelash at it.
For people who are secular or who don't believe in this stuff, which is a lot of people probably, they'll say, oh no, maybe her father was just depressed.
And maybe she intuited and inferred that there were these other problems going on.
And so when it happened, then after the fact, they imposed this witchcraft narrative on it.
But that was all just a bunch of mumbo jumbo to explain perfectly ordinary Social phenomena that were going on what maybe you've heard that reaction before if not, what would you say to that?
I have heard that before, but I always come back to the experience that we had when we were doing the ritual at the entrance.
The demon came, and the demon released a war over my house, saying, someone in your family is going to die in one week.
In fact, after one week, my dad died.
So my dad wasn't in the ritual.
He didn't even know that we were doing that.
Right?
So that for me is like the perfect example of like, these things are real.
We didn't make this up.
There was a course release over my house at Demon.
We opened a portal because when you do rituals at the entrance of the house, you're welcoming everything possible to enter in your house.
And I believe that there's a lot of people A lot of people are looking for spiritual experiences.
So because people don't know where to go, this is why people are going to New Age.
People, humans, are desperate for spiritual things because it's part of us.
Before we are humans, we are spiritual beings.
So people right now, children, teenagers, grown-ups, are looking for that experience and where is the place where they feel like they are finding that?
It's New Age.
This is how I feel about... Have you heard of Burning Man?
It's this music festival that takes place in the desert, and 70,000 people go, and there's music and drugs and kind of odd things that they shouldn't be doing with their bodies.
And then it culminates in the burning of a giant idol, the Burning Man, and they set it on fire.
And it's a weird pagan religious ritual, which is not good, and obviously it's kind of the topic that we're talking about here.
I at least sympathize with them, because I think, well, they're looking for something.
They know that life is about more than just money and work and Netflix.
So they want something, and they're just unfortunately looking for love in all the wrong places.
Exactly.
And that's exactly what is happening, that we are spiritual beings and there's people that are looking for that in their own places.
And I believe that you can access the spiritual realm through different ways.
The Bible says in John 14, 6, that Jesus is the way, the true and the life, the way.
But then if you go to John 10, 1, it says, but those that climb in another way are thieves and robbers.
So that makes me think, okay, Jesus is the way, He is the only way, but there are people accessing what's been given to us through Jesus in another way.
That's why, like, there's people that, you know, do different types of rituals, because for you to access the spiritual realm, you need blood.
That's why Jesus said, the blood of my covenant.
The blood is powerful to access the spiritual realm, but it's also powerful for the initiation of covenants.
So this is why there's a lot of people, they understand witches and satanists, they understand that there's something in the blood, right?
And there's people that are looking for that.
And I'm like, you don't have to look for it.
There is one way and this is the right way.
And this is the legal way.
Yes, you can access that through other means, but that's illegal.
That's not the right way.
Exactly.
That's not the right way of doing it.
And I just realized that we have everything in here.
We have the power of the blood of Jesus.
We don't need any other sacrifice.
Jesus is the perfect sacrifice.
We have everything in here.
So while you are going to go You know, to the counterfeit, to the cheap.
It's like if you have like a Prada bag, right?
And then you go that copy.
Why, if you have the real thing in here, you're going to pay and go for less?
And also, the enemy doesn't give you anything for free.
He doesn't give you anything for free.
And then we have in here, salvation is free.
The enemy, if he gives you something, he's going to ask you for something in return later on.
This is why we have even so many people that have made covenants with the enemy that end up dying, end up committing suicide, end up drugged, all of those things, why they couldn't take it.
You know, this is such an important observation you're making about the importance of sacrifice.
Because I think a lot of people today, they look at the traditional Mass, you know, Holy Mass, and the center of it is the re-presentation of the sacrifice at Calvary, of our Lord's sacrifice at Calvary.
They say, why the sacrifice?
Why the focus on the blood, you know, turning the host into the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ?
And you say, well, older kinds of people, before modern liberalism came around, They understood the importance of sacrifice.
Every pagan tribe in history would sacrifice animals to whatever demons they were worshipping.
And so there's obviously deep spiritual significance.
Today we just think of, I don't know, you watch a lecture or you just meditate or something.
The active sacrificial aspect of worship seems to have been downplayed, but for all of human history that wasn't true, even in the history of your own family.
So I want to get back to this point that it was your great-grandmother who got you all involved in this.
How did she fall into witchcraft?
I mean, I believe it was coming even before her.
Because when I was born, she was already 70 years.
She died in 2019.
She accepted Jesus and all of the stuff.
She repented.
But we believe that it was coming even before her, that there was like her family trying to raise her because she grew up doing that.
She was like the witch in her village.
She was the shaman, she was the psychic, she was the medium, she was the exorcist.
Even like people she used to use, she used to heal people too.
So she was like a big person in her village, which make us think that.
It was coming even before that.
We say four or five.
Who knows?
Maybe like it was even more than that.
This could have been going back centuries.
Exactly.
You went for all you know.
Yeah.
So this was just accepted.
If someone today in a suburb of New York said, okay, I'm the village witch, people would look at that person, well, I don't know, actually.
These days, maybe not.
20, 30 years ago, people would look at that person and say, you're totally crazy.
But this was just accepted as commonplace.
And then your grandmother accepted it, and then your mother accepted it, and you accepted it, too.
But you drew a distinction between white witchcraft and black witchcraft.
So she did, and the white witchcraft is supposed to be the more benign kind?
There are different types of witchcraft.
There's green, black, red.
So the white witchcraft, just to explain super quick, so witchcraft in general is control and manipulation.
It's something that you do to get something in return.
So white witchcraft is the type of witchcraft that people use To connect with nature.
They don't use that to harm.
They think that they are doing things for God.
They are doing that type of witchcraft to help people, super connected with nature, with the animals, to that type of worship.
Then you have the green witchcraft, which is the type of witches that use a lot of nature, a lot of herbs, kind of like remedies, things like that.
So if you are a witch, you can be moving in a lot of different things.
And then the Black one is actually the one that's used to harm people.
It's the one that you use to control, to kill, to put courses, to destroy family, to destroy a marriage.
And so there are different ones.
So my great-grandmother, she used to move in a field.
She used to move in green witchcraft, which is the healing, the herbs, the saints to heal.
She used to move in white witchcraft, too, and in black.
I guess today we'd call someone a witch doctor if they mixed up little potions and things, but that's just that right now.
Now that's been supplanted by modern medical science, which I'm not convinced has a better track record of bodily healing than all the crazy witch doctors of several centuries ago, but that's a discussion for another time.
So that you might call, I don't know, like an alchemist or something like that, mixing different herbs and potions and things.
But the difference there is not just you mixing and doing natural things.
I think the difference there is that you also call out to spiritual beings too.
To come upon the thing that you are doing and release that.
So I think the difference is that witchcraft, you use spirit guides, familiar guides.
So whatever you are doing, you believe that something is guiding that, which spirit is guiding what you are doing.
So you mentioned a familiar guide.
And this is, when I think of witchcraft, I think of broomsticks, I think of crystal balls, and I think of black cats.
I actually had a black cat.
You had a black cat?
It wasn't because of witchcraft.
Purely coincidental.
Yeah, it was actually.
All nature is but art, I know.
So, typically the way the black cats are portrayed in witchcraft stories is that they're the familiar... Familiar spirits.
So what is the familiar spirit?
So a familiar spirit is basically a demon that is assigned to a family for generations.
So it can come from like four or five generations.
So it's a spirit that at the time, especially like if you come from generations of witchcraft, right?
It's a spirit that it comes to you because of your ancestors.
So it's someone that helps you to do the, I'm saying this, but it's not like that.
They are demons.
They help you with the rituals, with the potions.
They kind of also act as guides and also as protectors.
So that's the thing.
And so when I did the ritual before my dad died, I was consecrated to this spirit guide, so he became my spirit guide, but they can take the form of animals, that's why the blood cats.
But this is the thing with people that I find really interesting, is that the concept of witches and brooms and sticks and blood cats, It's not just that.
You even have witches in government.
Witches like, you know, ruling nations.
And you don't even realize.
So this concept of like, no, witches right now are hiding behind nice dresses.
Behind, you know, you are not going to see a witch with a long nose and saying, I am a witch.
No.
Because right now they are ruling governments, ruling nations, through what they are doing, releasing those spirits, those demons, through their position that they have.
So it's also important to just make sure that people come out of the mindset of, like, that's not just witchcraft.
You see now in society what the enemy is trying to do in nations, even here in the USA, through witchcraft.
And we think, like, this is normal.
No.
I thought Hillary lost the 2016 election.
So at least we got a little respite.
But you're saying that, putting Ms.
Rodham Clinton aside for a second, that these practices Are being done by prominent people.
And in fact, speaking of Hillary Clinton, we know that because Hillary's top campaign team invited a woman over to have a spirit cooking dinner, which was just a witchcraft performance.
And the best excuse they had was that this was a kind of performance art and don't look too into it, but it was explicitly a witchcraft kind of ritual.
Do you have evidence though that there are People in governments around the world that are actually doing this stuff?
or is it just your interest no i know that and even in my country now like i live in colombia now last year before the elections um when i was praying for the new the new president and all of that i I found out that the president, in fact, the one that's president now, before the elections, he went to a tribe in Colombia and he got a ritual done.
And the vice president right now in Colombia, she is a witch.
Did you find this out as a matter of sort of private revelation, or you mean, like, people were talking about it?
Both.
I was thinking it, and then it was all over the news.
You saw the rituals that they were doing.
This is my point.
It's not hiding.
It's everywhere, and it's not hiding.
They are just doing it.
So, you know, like, the enemy's not hiding anymore.
The enemy is out there.
You've seen movies, TV, music.
You know, recently we saw this concert.
Travis Scott?
Yeah, yeah.
That was a huge ritual.
That ritual, I mean, the stage looked like something out of Hieronymus Bosch.
That was a portal.
Because it looked like a devil's mouth or something, and people were... So that wasn't just a coincidence, because they tried to pooh-pooh all the criticism, and they said, no, no, it was just, you know, provocative imagery, but you're saying... People like me that we come from that, we knew that was a whole ritual right there, because I believe he got the power through Satanism and through this type of thing.
So for him to go to the next level, you have to do something.
You have to do some sort of sacrifice.
That was a huge thing right there that he did.
The platform was a portal.
The sounds that they were playing when that was happening, they are really low sounds that open in the spiritual realm portals of death and portals for these demons to enter.
So what was happening there, it was a sacrifice, a human sacrifice.
People died at this concert, right?
Oh, lots of people.
People that don't know anything about the spiritual realm, they don't believe in God, in nothing, they said, we felt that something was putting our soul out of us.
They felt that there was a weird atmosphere.
So it's really interesting that even people that are not spiritual, they were saying, it felt like something was pulling us out.
We felt suffocated.
We couldn't breathe.
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Again, being Christian, it's not that I believe every story that I hear, but I'm open to the possibility that this stuff exists.
And what you're describing is right out of a medieval legend.
What you're describing is right out of a classic horror movie on this stuff.
The low sounds, Have a spiritual analog.
The cutting and the blood is physical, but then it has a metaphysical implication to it.
I see all of that.
So then, what are the nuts and bolts of it like?
You tell me that the witches don't have green skin.
They don't necessarily have big warty, scaly noses.
They don't necessarily fly around on broomsticks.
I don't know, maybe they do.
So what is the day-to-day?
Look like for a witch.
What's the fact from fiction?
I can't tell you from my experience what we were doing.
We weren't running around in broomsticks or doing those type of things.
But for us, it was normal waking up every day, set up some candles and cleanses for the house, doing some also cleanses on ourselves, preparing for the day.
And just taking with us all the protections, the crystals, these type of things, riding tattled cars.
That's kind of like our day-to-day look like.
And then when we were outside, as I said, we never said to anyone, like, we are witches, we are doing this.
We would just walk around and be normal people.
You know, the Bible takes a pretty harsh line against witchcraft.
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live, you know, that sort of thing.
And I remember reading it at first thinking, oh, that's a pretty harsh line against something that's not real.
Why is God so insistent that people not do something which is not possible to do?
And now I have a little bit more of an open mind on that, I guess.
But why is Scripture so harsh on witchcraft in particular, even more than certain other sins?
I think it's because witchcraft counterfeits what God has given us as spiritual people.
When I came out of witchcraft, I started to realize that there were so many similarities that I was doing on that side, that when I became Christian, I realized, like, wow!
This is like the real thing, and this is the opposite.
One of them was, for example, in the Bible, we see prophetic acts.
We see the anointing oil.
We see in the Bible the salt, where Prophet Elijah did a prophetic act with salt in the water.
Right?
And then you see that we just use salt for cleansing, for purification, for curses, for causing people, drying, all of those things.
And then you also have the rainbow, right?
The rainbow, the enemy counterfeits absolutely everything.
You have also the blood, as I was saying, the blood is powerful for covenants.
We have the blood of Jesus.
So when I came out of that, I realized, wow, this witchcraft is trying to kind of steal and counterfeit what represents God.
So I believe that's why God is so strict and so like, don't witchcraft, don't go to mediums, don't do necromancy.
Why?
Because between God's kingdom and the occultism and witchcraft, there is a really thin line.
That even you as a Christian, you can be stepping in without you realizing.
So that's why we have to be careful.
And I believe that's why God is so drastic to like, don't do that.
Because the enemy's coping is taking this, that is God's kingdom, is taking it for His kingdom.
And I feel like that's one of the reasons.
Probably most, of all the different witchcraft flavors, you know, it's like a bag of Jolly Ranchers, the green and the purple and the red and the white.
The most dangerous would seem to me to be the white witchcraft, because it seems the nicest.
So it seems the most palatable, but it's not good, right?
It's not actually benign.
No, because all type of witchcraft is bad, regardless of what you do.
You read tarot cards, you go outside to speak to nature, or do things in nature, or you think you are doing this for the universe.
Whatever you are doing is bad.
Why?
Because it's counterfeit.
Because we have the Holy Spirit, and then in here, you have another spirit that is guiding that experience.
So actually, the question that we should ask is like, OK, who is guiding your experience?
This is the real thing.
If it's not the Holy Spirit, then it's another spirit.
Then it's witchcraft, new age.
Do witches go out into the woods and worship the moon?
This is something that comes up in, that really happens?
That happens.
Especially during Halloween, there is like a certain connection with the moon, there is a certain connection with stars, with the blue moon, with the red moon, with all of those things, that they believe that it opens up in the spiritual realm.
So something important to understand is that there are principles for the spiritual realm.
As I was saying, with the blood, with the sacrifices, it might look like, oh, this is ancient, this is weird, coming from a book.
But this is a spiritual principle, and this happens, and this is happening today.
This is that satanists, they are doing it because they understand that there is something.
So they go out, they do rituals when there's full moon.
They do rituals when there's light.
No, even rituals, just go outside and maybe like dancing around because they believe.
And this is why I believe.
As Christians, we need to step into the power and the fullness that the Lord is giving us.
Not just going to church and just clapping hands, but there's more than that.
The Lord has given us the authority and the power through Jesus Christ to take over nations, to impact the earth.
So why are we believing like, oh, this is just coming from a book, when in reality, wait a minute, this has been given to us.
What we are doing is kind of like Blocking what the Lord has given us and just thinking, this is not real, this doesn't exist.
Okay, you live your life and I will continue to do God's work in here.
In modern Christian circles, Protestant and to some degree Catholic too, you'll see a kind of political quietism creep in, meaning this notion that the church should not be involved in public life.
We just, we have our freedom of worship in our own houses of worship, sometimes when they're not shutting them down or burning them down based on blood libel like they did up in Canada.
But we shouldn't interfere with public policy or anything like that.
If it's true, if all this stuff is true, then it should be true in public just like it's true in private.
And if it's not true, then what are we doing?
The earlier conception of religion was that of course it's a public thing.
The ancient pagans believed that religion was a public matter, of course.
The temple to Athena was not only a religious place, but also a kind of monument to the glories of Athens.
Of course, the sports festivals were religious festivals, always.
And then at the height of Western Christendom, and Eastern Christendom, I guess, for that matter, you had not a total Overlap of the church and the state, but a fair bit of overlap at least.
The two work together because every state is going to worship something and everybody's got to serve somebody, so how is that going to be informed?
Is that going to be informed by paganism?
Is that going to be informed by private intuition?
Or is that going to be informed by the church?
If you really believe that Christ instituted a church on earth and said, you know, go forth, make apostles of all nations, Well, he's talking about nations, isn't he?
Really important point.
We do have limbs and minds, and we live in time and space, and we can actually do things to affect the world around us, not just... All right, my rant is over.
That was such a good point that you brought up, and we ignore that all too much.
But the other people don't ignore it.
That's my point.
This is why when I come out of that, I saw the church and I'm like, Oh Lord, you really want me?
And I feel like a lot of people that come out of the occultism, right?
Not just me, but a lot of people that I have talked to that are trying to come out of that.
They say something, they say like, Oh, I'm trying to come out of that, but I feel like I'm losing my power.
You know why?
Because they see the church and the church is sleeping.
And I'm like, no, no, no, no.
Listen, you're not going to lose your gift because the gifts and the calling are irrevocable.
That's something that the Lord has given to you, but the enemy is grabbing your gift for his kingdom, for his use.
But this is the point that just because you are a Christian, it doesn't necessarily mean that you have to be sitting in a church.
It doesn't necessarily mean that you have to be quiet.
Not all the time, at least.
We have been given a mission.
We have been given a voice.
We have been given the Holy Spirit to impact.
So, we as the Church, why are we going to allow darkness to advance if we have the power and authority through Jesus Christ to conquer and to take over nations?
Right.
You know, a phrase that's fallen out of use is the notion of the church militant.
You know, there's the church suffering, there is the church triumphant in heaven, and then there's the church militant.
That's us here, you know, in time and space on earth.
And a priest friend of mine once said that there are too many pacifists in the church militant.
Too many people just passively letting things go by.
But of course, Our enemies are not doing that.
They're quite active.
So, you point out that this has been going on for many generations.
Who knows?
Could have been centuries in your family.
It seems like this is all getting worse.
It seems like the occult and witchcraft is growing.
You hear about covens cropping up, witches against this conservative politician or this Christian public figure, hexes.
Do you remember there were witches who said they were going to put hexes on Brett Kavanaugh, who was a Supreme Court Justice.
It seems like it's becoming more prominent.
Is it just always been this way though?
It's been always the same way, but I believe that now it's getting more power, it's been more exposed, it's been more open now, to the point that it's becoming normal.
It's becoming normal in schools, it's becoming normal in society.
It's becoming normal to have a president that's running the country that is a witch.
It's becoming normal.
We don't see anything normal, but it's been there for generations.
Nothing has changed.
The only thing that has changed is the way that we perceive it now, but it's still the same.
The same rituals, the same blood, the same demons, the same spirits, it's the same.
The only thing is that now it's coming out more, but I believe it's the same.
What do you say to people who object to all of this?
Because they say, look, yes, primitive societies, they believed in witchcraft, but that was just a way to explain the inexplicable.
And now we have science, and so now with much better precision we can cure diseases, we don't need to go to a white witch.
To cure your cough, you can just take penicillin or something.
And so we're demystifying the world, and we're not finding demons anywhere, and the witches, or whatever they're doing, they're just mistaken, and they're taken to flights of fancy, broomstick or not.
And so just take your medicine, you know, read the statistics, live your mechanistic life, and ignore all that stuff.
I mean, obviously I'm not scientistic.
I don't think that the material explanations are sufficient.
But a lot of people do.
That's very persuasive because science has done a good job of explaining many aspects of the physical world.
What's your answer to that?
What is my answer to that?
Let me tell you a little testimony.
My husband, when I married him, I have always been quite spiritual.
I can sense things around.
So, always, since a really young age, even when I became Christian, I was still quite sensitive, see things, feel things.
My husband was the opposite of that.
He didn't believe in God.
He was like that.
He always would like to see, what are the statistics?
What is this?
So for me, it was quite hard.
Right?
And he was close to the idea of like, OK, there is a spiritual realm.
There is something I have to be able to see.
I have to be able to see the numbers.
Like, this is maybe, this is not like that.
So I just let him be.
And you know what?
He has supernatural experiences.
He has heard the voice of God.
Amanda was completely close to the idea of religion or to spiritual things.
Amanda now feels things in the Spirit.
Why?
Because he opened up himself.
He decided like, okay, if this is real, I want to know what is happening.
And he hears the audible voice of God.
He has dreams.
He has visions.
So this is something that I tell people, the first step for you to open up to this and to realize that, you know, that there is a God and there is more than that, is to give it a try.
Just open up yourself and just, okay, Lord, if you are real, that was what my husband said.
If you are real, speak to me, right?
And because of what I do, I cannot do anything that my husband doesn't agree with.
So we always have to be in agreement within things, and that's why God has been working on him.
So what would I say to these people is that open up, just give it a try.
Give Jesus a try and just see that all of these things are real, that you are going to start to have dreams.
Because I believe with all my heart, all of us are spiritual beings.
And even if you don't have dreams, even if you don't see things, even if you are this type of person that you are thinking, no, but there has to be statistics, there has to be numbers, there's more than that.
There has to be more than that.
We just haven't been called to, we have been called for more.
We have been called to be connected to God.
We have been called to be one with the Holy Spirit and walk by faith, as the Bible says.
Not by sight, not by numbers, but actually by faith.
So how do you know that now you're on the right track?
Meaning, back when you were a witch, or certainly when your ancestors were witches, They thought they were doing good.
It was white witchcraft, right?
So they thought that was healing and helpful and they would feel spirits and things, but they thought it was all nice and good and comforting and protecting and all the rest of it.
So now you're saying much the same thing.
You're saying, I still have a spiritual sense.
I feel comforted and protected.
I think I'm doing good.
So how do you know that you're on the right track now when you were mistaken about being on the right track before?
Well, for me it's clearly obvious.
When I was involved in that, I was depressed, I was suicidal, we were involved in drugs, we had addictions, we were having nightmares, there was oppression in my family, there was poverty, there was destruction.
Now, using my life, the Lord has completely restored me and my family, not only me.
My mom, my brothers, my family, we don't have addictions.
We are not involved in drugs.
I'm not depressed.
I'm not suicidal.
I don't have those type of nightmares.
I don't have sleep paralysis.
I don't have that.
You've had that too, sleep paralysis?
Yeah, yeah.
It was everything.
It was that season that was so strong that it was just almost impossible to be in that house to the point after my dad died.
After a few days, we packed a few things and we left that house.
Because of the atmosphere that was in that house, the dreams, the nightmares that we were having.
I will see my dad passing by thinking my dad is here when he was in reality a demon passing by.
My mom tells me that they, I almost tried to commit suicide in the same place where my dad died.
I don't remember.
I have flashes.
But I believe I was probably possessed by that boy in that house.
The atmosphere there was heavy.
And after a few days, my mom said, like, let's run from here.
And we just got a few clothes and left that house.
Did you sell it?
I mean, you literally just left?
No, we still have that house.
So my mom, the only thing that she knew by then was Catholicism.
So she just basically, she talked to a priest.
The priest went with holy water or something, did some prayers, but then it didn't work.
When she came back again, there was the atmosphere.
She says that the house was still It was really heavy, the atmosphere there.
And after we became Christians, then she just went over with some pastors, they prayed, they anointed the house, they prayed the Course.
We still have that house, and people live in there, and they haven't felt anything.
So you were able to go back then?
I haven't.
I have only been there once.
Wow.
My mom has.
Why do you think the blessing didn't take?
Because I believe there are some things specifically that you have to break in a house.
There are certain, for example, this is why understanding the spiritual realm is so important, right?
It's not just like going there and blessing this place.
I believe blessing is a powerful thing, but there are certain things in the spiritual realm, like the same thing that we did in the entrance of the house.
There was a portal there.
that have to be closed.
There is a portal that the cords have to be broken specifically in that place and plead the blood of Jesus and close those things and reveal the evil forces that were inside of that house. - You know, that's an important distinction because for a lot of people who don't believe in anything spiritual or that's an important distinction because for a lot of people who don't believe in anything spiritual or who, everyone believes in something spiritual, but they'll either believe in crystals and things or they'll
But to a lot of people it's all the same, just kind of mumbo-jumbo.
But there's a difference between just a basic blessing and, say, something like the rite of exorcism.
You know, in the traditional baptism, there are three exorcisms.
A poor little baby, you know, or an adult who's being baptized.
Three exorcisms.
Because there has traditionally been an understanding that there are unclean spirits that prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls.
And that the priest has to cast them out, you know, specifically.
And that's different than, you know, a mere passing blessing or something like that.
And what you're describing in your home is Like a witch putting an actual axe on you or whatever.
That is some pretty heavy-duty stuff.
Maybe the difference between a .22 rifle and a bazooka or something like that.
Yeah, and it is like that.
This is why, as I was saying, I believe we have to understand spiritual principles, how the spiritual realm works, so we can actually help people.
With the things that I learned when I was in that world, I have been able to help so many people now that I am a Christian.
I have done multiple deliverance on people that come with generational causes and they will go to a place and people will pray for them and nothing happens.
You can stop those things.
When you understand the spiritual realm, you realize that you now know how to stop the enemy from advancing.
So why is the church not engaging into warfare?
Because the church doesn't know how to.
Why is the church sleeping and allowing the enemy to advance?
Because the church doesn't know how the spiritual realm works and how you can actually stop the enemy from advancing.
But now, when you say that, is that not similar to what you might have said in your witchcraft days?
When you say, I can stop this.
Do you literally mean you personally can stop it?
Or no, you're saying that God can stop this and you can be an instrument.
You know what is the difference between that occultism and where we are now?
The difference is that when I was in the occultism, I had the power.
I could do it the way I wanted, when I wanted, I didn't have to ask anything.
I would just do it.
My spirit guide would help me to do it.
Now I am a Christian, I don't do anything that's not guided by the Holy Spirit.
If it's not guided by the Holy Spirit, I'm not doing it.
So when I say we have the power to do it through Jesus Christ, we are the vessels, we are the instrument, and this is the same way that the enemy is looking for people that live in sin to advance his kingdom.
It is the same way that God is looking for holy people to advance his kingdom.
So if you see, it follows kind of like the same principle.
God is looking for holy vessels who are going to surrender to him, to live in holiness, so he can use it to advance his kingdom the same way.
That's why the enemy is looking to see, okay, who is living in sin, so I can advance my kingdom through that person.
This is something that is...
Misunderstood.
There's another misunderstood aspect, especially when you see an old movie.
If you're not a Christian, you're not a Catholic, you see an old movie and they go to confession.
People say, well, why do I need to confess my sins to some guy in a box?
I say, well, because that some guy is not acting as himself.
The traditional understanding is that he is acting in the person of Christ.
So you're confessing your sins to God in the Holy Mass.
The priest is acting in persona Christi.
Because we've lost so much of our understanding of the spiritual realm and the religious tradition that was alive and well not all that long ago, People get very confused, and they say, well, you know, the witch is out there doing some kind of mumbo-jumbo, and you've got the Christian over there doing some other kind of mumbo-jumbo, and it's all the same.
But the orientation is totally different, as you were describing.
One is totally self-centered, and the other is totally giving away of oneself, selfless.
Exactly.
That's what St.
Paul writes.
It's no longer I who lives, but Christ who lives in me.
Exactly.
So that is the difference.
But now, you know, when you understand that you died with Christ, you realize, okay, it might be me, but it's not me.
It's Jesus through me.
So you carry the authority.
You enforce Jesus' authority through you because it's no longer you.
So wherever you go, there has to be a change in the atmosphere.
Darkness has to start.
Living that place, manifest and live in that place, because you carry light, you carry Jesus, so whatever you are walking, you are enforcing that.
And I believe this is what a lot of Christians have lost, is the authority that Jesus Christ gives us, the identity that we have in Jesus Christ to step into serpents and to, you know, command the atmosphere to change.
On this theme of acting in public, Do you see in the political issues, in the political fights, the clear Christian side?
Because there are many people who would call themselves Christians who say, look, the church doesn't do partisan politics.
It's so much bigger than that.
I mean, there are people.
Who call themselves Christians, who call themselves priests.
There was a woman, I guess a priestess you'd call her, she was in the Church of England and she said, she's pretending to be a priest, and she said that abortion can be fine, it can be healthcare.
As a Christian, you are, in the name of your faith, defending the human sacrifice of little babies.
Man, if we can't agree on that political issue, that that is something that a Christian must oppose, well then I guess we can't be involved in politics.
Do you see this in other political issues?
Yeah, the same with the LGBT.
Is that something to do too?
The same in that way.
There's so many people that actually, they are Christians, but they are accepting what is happening in the nations, what is happening in their cities.
And whether you are a Christian and you're a follower of Christ or you are not, you cannot be lukewarm.
You cannot be saying, like, I am a Christian, but you know what?
Because I don't want drama and I don't want, you know, my church or my place to be involved in this.
I'm just going to agree with what they are saying.
You cannot be lukewarm, whether it be cold or be hot.
Don't be lukewarm.
Don't be lukewarm.
Dante has in his conception of hell, the lukewarm people are sort of just on the outside of hell, because they can't get into heaven, but even people in hell find them so disgusting, they spit out by both of them.
But then how can a Christian be more active in politics?
Do we say just, look, vote for the conservatives, don't vote for the crazy liberals.
The conservatives want good normal policies and the liberals want to kill your babies and chop up your kids and upend our whole society.
I mean, is it that simple?
I believe that it's part of that, right?
I always make sure that, you know, just, but the most important thing, you know, what it is.
It's not about what are they offering to you.
I think the most important thing is like, what is the Holy Spirit guiding you to do?
Because the same way that God can use I think the most important thing for this is to have the revelation of the Holy Spirit just come.
I see a lot of Christians that they put in a table, what are they offering me?
Oh, better jobs, better things.
They don't care that.
They approve abortion or they approve these type of things just because they see the benefit.
Okay, so yes, we need to see what they are offering, but I think everything has to come to the spiritual perspective.
Okay, Holy Spirit, what do You want to bring?
What are the changes that You want to bring?
Because God can use anyone for a nation.
God can bring someone that is left, right, but also the most important thing, what is the Holy Spirit telling you?
What is the Holy Spirit showing you?
That's why we have to be spiritual beings.
We cannot be normal people trying to understand spiritual matters if we don't comprehend the spiritual realm.
But now, do you mean this, when you say, listen to what the Holy Spirit's telling you, do you mean this is a matter primarily of private revelation or Public revelation.
In that, when Christ ascends to the Father, he says, look, you're upset that I'm leaving you, but you should be happy because I'm going to go up and then I'm going to send you a comforter.
I'm going to send you the Holy Spirit.
And you see this at Pentecost.
The Holy Spirit descends, tongues of fire, and this is the great expansion of the church.
And Christ says, I'll never leave you.
The church will always have the Holy Spirit.
I'm a little skeptical of private revelation.
I think there are many examples of private revelation that I find credible, that the church has deemed credible, that I think are inspiring.
I think it can happen to any of us.
I think it does happen to a lot of us maybe.
But demons can appear as angels of light.
So that seems to be a little worrisome as well.
And I guess it's why I tend to favor Hearing the voice of the Holy Spirit through the church to whom our Lord has promised the Holy Spirit's eternal protection.
Does that make sense?
I'm a little worried about someone saying, well, I just heard the Spirit told me that we've got to elect some crazy baby-killing Democrat because, you know, I don't know, I just felt it.
This is why I also believe it's important for us to be under someone that is You know, seasoned and anointed.
So whatever you receive, you can go to that person and wait.
There always has to be some sort of like, what you see, what the Lord is showing you, that you believe, that you weigh down with someone, whether it is a prophecy for a nation, whether it is a revelation for the next president, but that you actually are under someone.
Because also, The spiritual realm also understands submission.
You see, like, trust me, the demons are submitted.
They work in ranks.
There are different types of ranks, there are different types of levels.
This is what also, when I became Christian, I saw so much division, and I'm like, how is this going to even work?
They're so organized, they understand rank, and then we have the Church in division, like, fighting, you know, you're not here, I'm from this and I'm... There has to be unity!
If we want to advance the Kingdom of God, what about we forget about the denomination and we actually come together to worship the one that is Jesus Christ?
In fact, that's in the Creed.
One of the four marks of the Church is unity.
The Church cannot be divided against herself.
Right, and yet you see so much division.
Obviously we see a lot of division among Christians all around us.
I love this point on hierarchy.
And submission, because we live in a modern age where we're very egalitarian and nobody's ever supposed to submit to anybody.
I was at a wedding where people were rewriting the Scripture in order to take out any word about submission.
You're not allowed to have that anymore.
But of course there are natural hierarchies, and in fact even in the very controversial passage which is read at weddings, you know, wives submit to your husbands, husbands love your wives.
The marriage is supposed to be a symbol of the relationship between Christ and his church.
And then, as you point out, hierarchies within the church.
And what you're telling me, which I believe, is there are even hierarchies on the bad side of things, too.
Because it's a copy.
They copy.
It's just a cheap imitation.
But you know, God is a God of order, and we even see in the Trinity, there is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
That's the perfect example of how it should work.
There should be ranks, there should be submission, and coming back to the point that you were saying about the revelation, Right?
This is why it's important that if someone is receiving a revelation, you know, it's important to say, is that person submitted to someone?
Is that person under someone?
Or is that person just going around releasing everything that they perceive and not actually having established a spiritual life?
And that goes for everyone, right?
Like, who is, who are you submitted to?
First of all, Jesus Christ, of course, but are you submitted to your husband, to your wife?
Are you submitted to who is your spiritual authority?
Is there a visible sign of the Church and of your faith?
I mean, even if we're talking about the image of the Church in your family, is there order there?
That's a beautiful point.
We're seeing a lot of social and political order breaking down all around us.
And coincidentally, we're seeing that breaking down as the culture turns away from God.
Now, you turned back to God.
Are you the anomaly?
Are you cutting against the current of the whole culture?
Or is there something in the air by which people are moving away from New Age spirituality, or call it what it is, witchcraft, back to God?
Which way is the culture going?
Oh, that's a really good question.
What I have, what I'm sensing around is that the people are hungry for spiritual things.
Even those that say that, you know, we don't believe in anything.
I'm just really like scientists and statistics and numbers and things like this.
There is a hunger for spiritual things.
And I see that there is revival in our side, that people are coming out of the occultism, coming out of the witchcraft, coming out of satanism, coming out of all of those things because they have realized and now their eyes have been opened to this.
But I also see that I see those that they don't know where to go, they're gravitating towards that.
This is why I believe us as the church, we need to be strong and talking more about spiritual things so that people can understand that, hey, you have Jesus in here.
You don't need to go to the fake.
You don't need to go to the copycat.
There is only one way, as I say, John 14, 6.
That way is Jesus Christ.
Yes, you can access through other ways.
You are going to be a thief and a robber.
This is the real thing.
So this is why the church, we have to speak up.
we have to talk and be involved and talk more about the spiritual realm and what is going on in the spiritual realm and with the Holy Spirit and the revelation.
So they don't go towards what is easy for them and accessible, which is the occultism.
So I see like, to answer your question, I see it going both ways.
I see a lot of people coming out of that, but at the same time, the people are trying to find an answer.
So people that know about the spiritual realm are finding a way in this side, but people that are trying to find the way, what is accessible for them right now is the occultism.
Maybe it's because what people are really fleeing is atheism.
You don't hear that much about atheism anymore.
I remember 15 years ago, that's all you heard about was Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris.
It was probably more a publishing phenomenon than it was an actual intellectual movement.
But it still dominated the culture for a long time.
Bill Maher had his movie Making Fun of Christians.
You just saw it.
It was very popular.
And it's not as popular anymore.
Why is that?
What is popular right now?
I think what is popular right now is the two things you were describing, but I'll be even more specific on it.
I think New Age woo-woo witchcraft is becoming more explicitly popular, the crystals and the dream catchers and all that.
And I think that orthodoxy, traditional religion, is becoming more popular.
Where are you seeing growth in Christian life?
I'll just use an example of the Catholic Church.
You're not seeing growth in hippy-dippy 1970s boomer practices.
You're seeing growth in, not younger, you're actually seeing growth in much older practices than that.
The mass of the ages, the Latin mass is exploding and it's exploding with young people.
You're seeing a big of young people toward Eastern Orthodoxy, the Eastern take on Christianity.
Even for my Protestant friends, I'm seeing a collapse in the mainline, squishy, lukewarm churches.
And where there is growth, there would seem to be growth in more dogmatic, more rigorous forms of that.
So I'm seeing, I guess, an emptying out of the lukewarm, squishy middle and a clarifying of the battle lines in spirit.
You put it like in the perfect, with the perfect word.
Thank you.
The lukewarm, yeah, it's actually spreading.
Some people are going to this side and some people are going to this side.
So there is a revival.
There is something is happening in the spiritual realm.
People's eyes are being opened now to the spiritual realm.
Now, I feel like the danger is that the people are gravitating towards what is accessible for them, what is easy for them.
We see like everywhere in the TV, like in the news, in the movie.
But then on the other side, I see also the eyes of people opening up more to the prophetic.
Now, you still live in Colombia.
and who is the one that reveals to us the Holy Spirit.
So I see more people also actually realizing that there is a spiritual realm, that there are demons, that there are things that we can do to help people, to cast out demons in the name of Jesus.
And so I see revival.
Now, you still live in Colombia.
You don't live in the United States.
No.
So I grew up in Spain.
Yes.
Then I moved to the UK when my dad died, when I was 18. and I moved last year to Colombia after 25 years.
So do you get back to Spain or to the UK, or obviously you're traveling here, but probably just to do this interview and a few other professional things.
Do you ever go back knowing that there's so much baggage with your old life there, or do you say, no, I've got a new life, I'm sticking around Columbia?
I went to Colombia with a mission.
I went there not because I wanted to move.
It was never in my heart coming back again to my roots, coming back again to my family or to that place, because I always thought if the Lord took me out of this place, it's because He wanted something better.
I'm sorry, you grew up in Spain or you grew up in Colombia?
Spain.
You grew up in Spain.
I was born in Colombia.
But you were born in Colombia.
Okay, got it.
I was born there, moved to Spain when I was five.
And then after my dad died, when I was 18, I moved to the UK.
I met my husband there, got married, had kids, and then moved back to Colombia.
God sent me back there to establish a new ministry.
And the word that the Lord gave me was, I'm sending you back as I sent Moses to his people.
So I believe that also because of the experience that I went through, the occultism, there's so much witchcraft in Latin America.
Is there?
It's normal.
It's the daily bread.
You're walking on the street and you see people doing witchcraft in the shops, and I'm like, that for me is not normal, right?
Seeing in the street and in the shops, the culture for me was quite shocking.
And so this one year, this year that I have been there, I have to, you know, again connect to the culture, to the people, what is moving around.
But I believe the Lord sent me back is because I had an understanding of how things work in the spiritual realm.
Now I have been set free and now he's taking me back to help my people too.
Is the witchcraft in Latin America, is that what Santeria is?
Because I've heard of Santeria and I was interested in it because it's got It looks kind of Christian.
Specifically, it's got almost the aesthetic of Catholicism, but it's totally perverted.
It's like an inversion of the religion, where there's this thing they worship, the saint death, Santa Muerte.
So what is it though?
It's just like a pagan syncretism with Catholicism.
So Santeria, right?
The Santeria, it has seven orishas, okay?
Yemaya, Ochun, Chango, so all of these goddesses that went to Africa, they come from Nigeria.
In Nigeria, you have the seven, the same ones.
So when the Africans, you know, they got slaves and they moved They moved to Cuba, they moved to Haiti.
This is where it's predominant, the Santeria.
Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, these places, the culture mix with the culture of the slaves.
And this is why, you know, the principality that I was consecrated to is called the Indian Huacaipuro.
He's part of the three Venezuelan powers.
So there are different courts.
The core, you have the core, the Indian core, which is these three, Maria Leonsa, Negro Felipe, Indian Huacaipura.
These are the three principalities of Venezuela.
But then you have the Santeria, right?
And this is where all of these others.
So all of these come from the root of Africa, these goddesses, these demons of high rank.
And at the time of doing the Santeria and the witchcraft, Right?
What happens is that now it has mixed with Catholicism.
Even my great-grandmother, for healing, she used to use San Gregorio, San Gregory, for healing.
And other saints that she used to use.
Mixing them up with this demon stuff from Africa.
Exactly.
So it's quite common there that you will see Catholics so involved in witchcraft.
And they say, I'm Catholic, I'm going to church, I'm practicing, I'm doing all of this, but at the same time they're doing witchcraft.
Someone asked me about the Santa Muerte, and I said, you know, listen, I wasn't totally perfectly catechized, but I never heard of the Santa Muerte anywhere in my catechism.
I never read this in the Bible or in any of my Catholic teaching, and then I stumbled on this Santeria thing.
That must be very scandalous, too, because if these people, just in good faith, grow up and they think that Catholicism is when you invoke demons to practice witchcraft, then they might be doing these bad things without even really knowing it.
And that was like part of my family too.
My great-grandmother, she used to go to church and then she used to just go home and be a medium.
So it's part, especially of the Latin culture, is so strong to see Catholics actually involved in witchcraft and with the saints and all of that.
That's why... But are they aware of it?
I just assumed that they're not aware of it.
But are they aware of the Contradiction there?
No.
No.
My great-grandmother sometimes used to use the Bible too.
She used to have the Bible open in Psalms 23, Psalms 91.
And even like when my dad died, you know, this white witch, she told my mom, do this prayer every night, even though she was a witch.
She told my mom, do this prayer, Psalm 91.
And we did that for one month every single night.
So they understand that, you know, there's something in the Bible.
I go to church, you know, but at the same time, I'm using the saints, and I'm using, even like some rituals that they do, they actually ask God to bless and to guide them, and the saints to do it.
Interesting.
Wow!
Now, what about, I guess, The only other occult thing I've heard that invokes some Catholic practices, but flips them, would be outright Satanism, where they do the Black Mass, which is a parody of the traditional Holy Mass.
But you never got involved in outright Satanism.
Thank God!
I didn't, but I have an understanding of how things in Satanism work, and the same thing, the blood rituals, because we were doing blood rituals too, and animals, and things like that.
We were sacrificing animals.
For certain rituals, you know, in Santeria it's super common.
In Santeria it's super common to kill maybe chicken or a cow, goats, sorry cows, no, goats, things like that is normally part of the ritual because you need blood.
One time I was walking along Santa Monica Beach in California and underneath Santa Monica Pier, my buddy and I were walking along and we found a beheaded chicken.
And I had no idea what this was and I joked, I said, "Oh, I guess he ran out of the restaurant, he made it out of the kitchen before they could cook him." But my buddy said, no, you know, this is probably some voodoo thing, probably some witchcraft ritual.
And I didn't really believe him when he said it.
But there's a lot of occult stuff out in California.
There is!
California, you see spiritually what moves in there.
And when you see, there's a lot of sexual immorality.
Sexual immorality comes together with occultism.
Sexual immorality moves with witchcraft.
It also moves with poverty and death, addictions.
So when you see in an area that's moving those type of things, there's some sort of witchcraft.
I saw a story just popped up of a trial in Glasgow.
Eleven people put on trial for witchcraft.
That was the headline, really sensationalist.
In 2023, people are on trial for witchcraft?
But then when they outlined the actual charges, it was satanic ritual abuse of children, it was sexual abuse of children, and forcing children into seances and to use Ouija boards, and it was all jumbled up together.
And it did get me wondering.
I hate to bring this up, you know, in mixed company, but the weird sex stuff is part of it.
The sex rituals, it is part of it.
And let's come back again to the blood thing.
You know why they use virgins in the rituals?
Because when a virgin woman had sex for the first time, the hymen breaks.
So there's blood.
So there is a covenant there.
So at the time, that's why they use the virgins for the rituals, because there is a connection.
There is a covenant there, this pure, there's something there with that blood that gets the demons.
And then it gets more power, that's why they also use children.
They do in these rituals, they do, sorry for being so thinky, they rape children, they rape babies because they believe that there's pure and there's something there with the blood that is going to give more power and more access to the demons.
Before saying that, you will be called a conspiracy theorist, QAnon, that's the new term that they use, whatever it means.
And they'll say, you believe that there's this ritual abuse going on of children and even babies.
And I guess my answer to that is, it's like on the whole witchcraft issue.
For all of human history, people have been explicitly practicing witchcraft.
Like, tribes all over the world.
There are people today who call themselves witches.
There are religious people who oppose witchcraft.
There are, in this case, people on trial for witchcraft-related crimes that include all of those crazy, wild conspiracy theories with the little kids and the horrible stuff.
The only people who don't believe in this are a handful of, I guess, secularists or materialist-type people And then I guess there's another group that denies it, which is the people who are maybe engaging in it or covering it up and they're just lying.
But I just don't see how, looking at the evidence of all of history and even the headlines and a trial right now going on in Scotland and the testimony of someone who's been very involved in witchcraft, how anyone could deny it?
All of the evidence says this stuff happens and has pretty much always happened.
The enemy wants to make this look like it doesn't exist, so we don't do anything about it.
I had recently, recently, I was kind of like mentoring, helping someone that she was involved in satanic ritual abuse.
She was a woman, she was a 65-year-old woman, and her testimony is crazy.
And I was trying to help her to come out of that.
mentality, helping her with deliverance, with healing.
And she told me some crazy stuff that they used to do to her.
And people would hear her testimony and think, like, she's crazy.
She needs to go to a psychiatric hospital.
Mental asylum.
Exactly.
She needs to be locked.
But she was sharing specific things about what she went through.
And even as a really young girl, how she was raped, how she was involved in these rituals, what they have to make her do when they lock her in cages with animals, So that was in the story about what happened in Glasgow.
They would lock these kids in cages and cabinets.
And they locked them there with animals because their main thing is fear.
They want to kind of like control their mind so that one day they can be part of the cult and continue.
In fact, this woman She became like a high priest, satanist, but she believed in God since she was young because she had an encounter with Jesus.
So she believes that the whole time the Lord was protecting her from those things.
But she told me some crazy stuff and I'm like, I didn't even know those things were real.
Wait, hold on.
She believed in God, had an encounter with Jesus, and then became a high-ranking saint.
They were training her to be a high satanist.
She saw demons, she had encounters, she went through rape, they even killed one of her babies when she got pregnant as a sacrifice.
The story is crazy.
They made her get an abortion?
Yeah, they took the baby out and they killed in front of her.
So these things are real.
These things are real.
And I'm like, but this is why the enemy doesn't kind of like want to make us think that this is not real.
So we don't stand and we speak about these matters.
We speak about these things.
And what are we going to do against that?
Because if the church doesn't know that this is real, the church is just going to be sitting.
My question then, I think I probably know the answer, but what kind of groups are doing this?
Meaning, is it just some weirdo, fringe, eccentric people on the edges of society who are engaging in this and who get caught up in it and it's horrible and tragic but it's some pretty weird out there people?
Or is it mainstream people and wealthy people and powerful people and You seem to be implying it's the lab.
Conspiracy theories again.
It's a safe space.
I believe there are so many people in power involved in Satanism.
You cannot imagine.
I don't want to say her name because she's quite private, but she told me when she was super involved in that, that there were people of high rank with a lot of money involved in these rituals, involved in these practices.
And she didn't give me names, but she said that she saw a lot of people with money, in power, in government, involved in this type of practices.
So I believe that there's a lot of people, there's normal people doing it.
And there's also people in power involved in this.
I did hear from someone once.
This was someone I knew a little bit in school, like freshman year.
And then we kind of lost touch, went our separate ways.
I don't think he liked me very much.
I was very conservative.
But he reached out to me years later, after we had graduated.
And without going too much into detail in this, because I don't want to be gossiping or anything, He got involved.
He just told me all this once, just right over the phone.
I haven't talked to this guy in years.
He got involved in all of this kind of stuff, like down to the very worst levels of it.
And he said there were very, very wealthy, influential, powerful people involved.
Not very wealthy like they have nice houses in the suburbs.
Like private jet kind of money, you know, involved in this.
And I've heard it, that was I guess a direct witness or participant I heard this from, and I've heard it from other people too.
But it just, on the one hand, It seems like common sense because it's right there in the Bible.
The principalities and the powers and the spiritual wickedness of high places and the notion that the devil is the prince of this world, it's right there.
And yet you just, even I still today, cannot believe that that is real.
Because I just expect things to be kind of more normal.
Maybe that is normal.
Or maybe the abnormal is normal in this world.
Exactly.
There you go.
So yeah, it's exactly like that.
We call normal what is not normal, and then the things that are abnormal, those are actually the normal things.
So there's been talk recently, or more attention paid to some of this ritual abuse and the abuse of children and trafficking and all of that.
There's a movie, Sound of Freedom, and there's been some attention paid to this, which I loved when the Sound of Freedom movie came out.
The liberal media said, this is a QAnon conspiracy movie or something.
I said, wait a second, it's based on the true story of Tim Ballard.
I interviewed the guy who, these are real events, so if you're saying that these real events are conspiracy theories, then what are you saying about the so-called conspiracy theories?
But there's a tension paid to that.
How does one stop that?
How does one break up all of these wealthy elite cabals of Satanists?
Oh, that's good.
That's spiritual warfare of high rank.
Not everyone should be involved in that.
I believe that's why we have to prepare ourselves.
I believe there has to be a spiritual preparation and with that I mean holiness, Making sure that you are living the holy life, that you fast, that you pray, that you intercede, you're connected with the Holy Spirit, that you're closing portals in your life, that if you have sins in your life, you stop them.
If you have courses, you're breaking generational courses and iniquities, as the Bible says, that you have this training and that you are trained as a soldier.
I always see, for me, everything that happens in the natural is a representation of what is happening in the spiritual realm.
Right.
Right.
So part of what I see here with the armies, right, how they get trained, how they get equipped, they don't go to attack the enemy.
They first investigate who is the enemy, who is the head, what is the weakest point, how we can enter the same way should be for us.
We just don't engage in warfare for the sake of I cast out this principality.
No, we actually need to have understanding.
Who is the person and the principality that we are facing?
Who is the spirit of high rank?
And the same thing, fasting, prayer, close importance, breaking courses, and train also in war.
Waking up early to pray like this.
These people train, they wake up early, they train, they eat healthy.
Same way for us.
We don't realize, but even eating, certain things affect the spiritual realm.
So, we are eating and we eat this fast food and pizza, all of that.
I'm telling you, all of those things affect the spiritual realm, because you might go to sleep and in the spiritual realm now you might have nightmares.
Now you cannot perceive, maybe the Holy Spirit is trying to give you a dream or something.
So all of those things for me are like important that we actually understand and we actually trained as the people in the military here on earth so we can actually be part of God's army and part of the occupying army so we can understand, okay, how are we going to occupy nations?
It's not actually going against The person, because Ephesians 6, 12 says, our fight is not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against the powers.
So understanding that we love the person, but we come against the spirit that's coming behind.
And this is what we have to be prepared for.
This is what we have to be ready for if we want to see actually a change in our nation and establish the government of Jesus Christ in that nation.
I love the imagery of the soldier because one of my favorite books on this question is The Spiritual Combat by Dom Lorenzo Scupoli, and he writes about these spiritual disciplines in very practical ways.
This is a 500-year-old book, but very practical ways to deal with this vice, or that sin, or this temptation.
When you mention the food, or maybe you feel a little sluggish, you have nightmares, you don't sleep well, I find the greatest predictor of My likelihood, my inclination towards sin and temptation is if I'm tired.
If I'm well rested, I'm generally pretty good.
If I'm really tired, I haven't slept in a few days, I've been overworked, I was out late the night before, my temptation to sin, even if it's just a mental sin, even if it's just entertaining wrath or lust or pride or anything, is Far heightened.
Basic stuff.
Just get a good night's sleep, you know, like a soldier going out to a battle.
If he hasn't slept in a few days, he's not going to be as effective as he would otherwise.
And I love this idea of be wise as a serpent, innocent as a dove.
You know, you don't just go out and say, here we go, I'm just going to take on all the bad forces.
Physical and metaphysical today.
No, you've got to be a little clever, and you've got to have strategy, and you've got to be wise.
Exactly.
That's what I tell people.
The same thing that the people of Israel, when they used to go to war, they used to ask the Lord, shall we go?
Is this our time?
When they didn't ask God if they should go to war, they used to lose.
They used to go into captivity.
The same thing happens in the spiritual realm.
You're entering into a fight or a battle that the Lord is not telling you to enter.
You're going to suffer counterattacks.
Because the Lord hasn't given you the go ahead to go for it.
So I said, I always said this, for every battle that you are facing now on earth, there is a spiritual strategy that you should be asking the Lord to give you to fight that.
And the focus on how are we going to stop all this public evil?
First step is Your personal holiness.
There are people who call themselves Christians who will say, I don't need to be holy.
I don't need to work on anything.
I don't need to discipline myself.
I don't need to fast and pray and do all the things that Christians have done for all of human history, or for all of the history of the Church.
And before that, actually, in the people of Israel awaiting the Messiah.
I don't need to do any of that.
I think for many of them they'll say, well, I just need to think in my head, you know, I believe in Jesus.
And that's, well, you know, you've got a body, too.
We live in time and space, too.
You know the tree by its fruit, too.
Many people say, well, call me Lord, Lord, and I will say I didn't know you.
And this is the thing that people say, like, I just accept Jesus.
I just go to church and that's it.
It's done.
That's the beginning.
When you accept Jesus, your spirit gets activated by the Holy Spirit.
But we are tripartite beings.
We are spirits of one body.
What about your soul?
Your soul is your mind, your emotions.
What about now you're working in your soul?
Because also, like, if your soul is in darkness, right, your mind, your emotions, at the time of the Holy Spirit, maybe speaking to you or something is going to pass to this filter.
So at the time of receiving, in your natural being, it's going to be distortion, it's going to be corrupted.
So this is why for me it's important when you come to Christ, yes, now you have the Holy Spirit, now, yes, but you have to start working in those areas that for generations your ancestors have been carrying, or maybe you have been involved in pornography, in addictions, in certain things that you have to stop and you need to have discipline.
If we are the, you know, the army of God, We have to be trained as the army.
We have to have discipline.
We have to have strategies.
We need to adopt this thing.
And this takes me back again to what I was telling you, that this is why the church doesn't get involved in warfare, because they don't know how to.
Because they don't know that there's spiritual principles and things that we have to put into place if we want to advance God's Kingdom.
There's a lot of stuff, even for protection.
Right?
Having a holy light, having a consecration, having this communion with the Holy Spirit brings protection.
You have closed portals in your life, so when you are entering the enemy's kingdom, he cannot do anything to you.
All right?
But if you are, like, casting out demons, and you are doing this, and then you are sinning behind, and you know, but I can do this, well, it's going to happen to you the same thing that happened to the sons of Sheba.
Right?
They didn't know Jesus, they knew Paul, they didn't know Jesus.
That's why knowing Jesus is the key.
Having intimacy is the key to enter into warfare and change the trajectory of a nation.
The private sin, and I don't mean to mock it, I'm not minimizing it in any way, quite the opposite actually.
But people write in to me about, in my mailbag, and people, I talk to priests, they say this is what they hear from 90% of guys in confession.
It's porn, which you just mentioned.
And so if you're saying that sexual immorality is a big part of witchcraft and the occult and Satanism, then what does it mean that, at least since the advent of the internet and certainly since the iPhone, Porn is everywhere.
Something like 90% plus of men look at it.
A huge number of women look at it.
I read somewhere something like 60% of women look at it, which shocked me.
The age of exposure to it is extremely young.
Well I guess I do want to say that everything has a spiritual component.
Because nothing is merely physical, you know, it's not, we're spirits too.
But what does it say that this key element of witchcraft is now effectively ubiquitous?
That it's everywhere.
That porn is just everywhere and that this, if sexual immorality is a big part of witchcraft and the occult, well what does the rapid expansion of that say?
So, if we go back to the Bible and we talk about the Jezebel spirit, the Jezebel spirit, she was a witch, right?
And she was immoral, so she was involved in sexual immorality, so she was released over a place.
I believe that because of witchcraft, New Age, the occultism is expanding too much, that brings… Remember something, I want to say something, and it's that demons don't walk alone.
The principalities, they don't work by themselves.
As I said, we were talking about authorities and ranks.
They move with certain powers that come under them and then they have others that come under them, right?
Witchcraft, which is a new age, occultism, all of these practices, satanism, all of these things bring sexual immorality.
So now, because of the occultism is rapidly expanding in our nations, we see the sexual immorality also being released upon our nations.
So this is why, like, when you go to a place and you see, like, there's a lot of sexual immorality and prostitution, you know, there's some sort of witchcraft here, too.
That's the sign of it, or one of the big signs of it.
So then, what does one do?
Do we just ban porn?
That's what I would do, but I don't know that we can.
I believe there's a strongman for a reason.
This is why, coming back again, I see the church fighting in the spiritual realm, punching the air, not knowing what they are punching.
I see that.
I see people like, who are you fighting against?
Who are you coming against?
We need to have understanding that there are strongmen and there are minions.
If you bind the minions and you remove the minions, the strongman is still there because there is a legal right.
So the portal is still open for this minion to come back again or other ones to come back again and leave.
And so this is why we as the head of Christ, we need to actually see, OK, what is the strongman moving in here?
We just don't buy porn.
That's a minion.
That's just like the consequence of something bigger.
So we don't buy the porn, we don't buy the addiction.
What is actually the big thing that's moving in that area?
Okay, it could be maybe like, as I said, witchcraft.
It could be like control and manipulation and that's been released.
It's not just porn, it's actually understanding What are we binding?
And this goes also to a personal level, right?
Let's say that someone is dealing with addictions.
The person is dealing with a lot of addictions, porn, maybe drug addictions, alcoholism.
The person just doesn't bind that.
But actually, what if the strongman in that person's life is actually a rejection?
It's actually maybe a traumatic experience that that person had when they were young that opened up the portal to addiction.
So, when you go right there to help the person to be set free from that trauma, you are helping that person to be set free from the addictions and all of these things.
So, it's actually going to the root.
Like, we are like trees, and I see a lot of people cutting the bad fruit of the tree instead of healing the root.
It's important that we come back.
What is the root of the issue?
What is the root of the tree?
So we start to bring healing to the Body of Christ, actually to the rope and not just the leaves and cutting.
I'm thinking that I'm just going to cut this and hope that it's not going to grow up again.
It's going to grow up again because the root is ill.
So I believe that that's part of one of the strategies that the Lord has given me to help people and to pray for nations is actually, what is the root?
Because sometimes people think they can just go back in time.
They say, if only we went back to the 1990s, we'd all be happy.
Or if we went back to the 1950s, things would be better.
But I think, well, hold on.
First of all, you can't go back in time.
But second of all, even if you could go back in time, if you just rewind the tape, How is it not going to play out exactly as it already did?
You know, aren't the seeds of the present destruction that we're seeing, weren't they sown way back then?
Weren't they sown even probably before that?
So you mentioned, okay, what's at the heart here?
Well at the heart of, look if porn is just one symptom or one expression of this problem, well it's an expression of the notion that we can do whatever we want.
This notion of maximal individual autonomy, self-sovereignty.
That's a much deeper, bigger Stronger man kind of a problem than just getting your jollies off on some internet video.
The problem of people who are in the porn industry, every single woman who's ever been involved in porn has an issue with her father.
Interview after interview, testimony after testimony.
It's 100% of the time.
Well, that would be a root problem.
And so if you only prune away at the leaves, well, and the root is still there, it's just going to continue to grow.
So then there are these deeper problems.
And obviously, ultimately, we can trace this all the way back to the Garden of Eden.
But it does seem that politically there are some things that we could do that are practical and that we could take immediately.
You mentioned strong man.
And now today, if you ever oppose this liberalism, this decadence, this sin and debauchery, you're called an authoritarian.
You want to get rid of porn, you're an authoritarian.
You want to suggest that Christianity is a better basis for culture than I don't know, pride parades.
You're an authoritarian.
They've said this about Viktor Orban in Hungary.
This guy's been popularly elected many times, but he said, no, our country's going to be a Christian country.
We're not going to force you to go to church.
We're not going to force you to worship anyway, but the country is going to be oriented toward God.
And for this, every country around the West is at this guy's throat.
They want to attack him.
But that seems like a practical thing that one could do in politics.
One hundred percent.
One hundred percent.
And this is, coming back again, it is about the authority.
The person that is there is like in the spiritual realm, has kind of like given the keys of that nation.
So whatever you speak over that nation is going to be released because you have authority.
The same thing that the parents have authority over their children, right?
We are the head of our children.
So when we speak those things over their life, it's released in the spiritual atmosphere and it manifests.
The same thing happened to the nation.
So what it would be a good way of actually changing a nation apart from the spiritual matters is actually establishing someone in power that has the heart of God that are going to actually release those things over the nation and say like a strongman, you are not going to rule in this nation.
This is who is going to rule this nation and is Jesus.
But this is why The enemy is taking over the nation because he knows that if you take the nations, you change society.
And the family is the nucleus of society.
So how do you actually stop the enemy from doing that?
From here, from the government, from standing in this place of authority, changing the government, changing the society and changing the families.
Because on the political left, you'll see this attack on order and hierarchy and law, and you come to expect that, this divisive, atomizing political program.
But you hear it sometimes even on the right.
The right is allergic to the notion of authority or submission to just authority, but it's right there in the Bible.
I mean, St.
Paul tells us, first of all, it's throughout the Old Testament, but then St.
Paul tells us the civil authority is put there by God for your good, the law is good, order is good, and so there's nothing unchristian about wielding political power in a just way.
And yet many in the church seem to think that there is.
I know.
There's a lot of people that actually say we shouldn't be involved in politics, we shouldn't be involved in anything, we're just gonna be sitting in church, clapping hands every Sunday, praising, and that's it, while the enemy is right there.
No!
We should be, I believe we shouldn't just be even taking the government, we should be taking the media, we should be taking, we should be taking everything!
Yeah!
For Jesus!
Right!
Why wouldn't we?
Because what the liberals would say is, well, you sound power mad, or you sound driven.
I think, well, someone's going to run the media.
Do I want it to be the people who are right and inclined to do good things, or the people who presently run the media, who are these crazy libs who want to destroy our civilization?
Somebody is going to wield the power.
Exactly.
There's going to be some kind of order.
You're not going to just live in chaos forever.
So some kind of order will be imposed.
Do you want it to be an order that is conducive to flourishing, or one that is degrading and immiserating, and that leads to plummeting rates of marriage, plummeting birth rates, skyrocketing rates of suicide, so much so that you've got now a decreasing life expectancy in the United States, for goodness sakes.
Political chaos, open borders, you go down the litany of symptoms.
You're going to have some kind of order.
Why isn't it the good one?
Exactly.
And this is why also the same way that Christians say that money, having too much money, is actually bad.
It is bad.
What is the motive of your heart?
It can be.
We actually need money to embrace God's kingdom.
We actually need money.
You want to be in government, you need money.
You want to be in media, you need money.
You want to be in politics and all of these things, you need money.
So we actually need money.
We need the Holy Spirit mainly to make that clear.
But we also need some sort of power to establish that.
Aristotle points this out too.
He says, to be happy.
Money is not virtuous.
Wealth is not a virtue.
It's just an instrument for other things.
But in order to be happy, you do need to satisfy certain basic material, physical needs.
People often say money is the root of all evil, but that's not the verse.
The love of money is the root of all evil.
To make an idol out of money, to worship mammon, that would be quite evil.
But to do things in the physical world.
And the example, I mean going full circle, The example of witchcraft is instructive here as a kind of parody or inversion of true spiritual authority, which is the thing that's confounding for us, I think, is that it's not that people have spiritual inclinations one way or the other.
But that people would actually go out into the woods and look up at a moon and engage in some weird ritual and cast a magic spell and that's the part.
I think it's the fleshy part of it that is so confounding to modern liberal people.
But historically speaking, those of us who doubt the importance of the physical and we're the exception.
This has been going on for a very long time.
There are rituals and sacraments, we might call them, on the good side, too.
Maybe we ought to be a little active in those, too.
Yeah, exactly.
And you know something that I also realized is that we are, some people might be thinking, oh those rituals in the moon, oh yeah, that's so like, that's coming out of a book, that's too crazy.
But you know, some people actually, in those meetings, they are doing the courses for the nations.
They are like releasing a course in the nation because they want Maybe they want the LGBT agenda to go forward.
Maybe they want the abortions to go forward.
Maybe they want now the marriage, same sex, to go.
Certain things.
Those things are also done in those places.
And that's why for me, like, when people laugh at that, I'm like, you're laughing at that, but the enemy's advancing.
The enemy is releasing those things over our families and over our nation, so.
Right, yeah.
You, modern glib liberal, you're laughing at it.
The people who are regularly doing these rituals, who now we're even seeing this in courts, they're doing these things, they're not laughing.
The people in high positions of political authority, John Podesta, who's going to these dinners, running Hillary Clinton's campaign, he's not laughing, he's doing it.
The vast majority of people, from very poor, uninfluential people, all the way up to some of the most influential people in the history of the world, They're not laughing at us.
And you know something curious that I realized?
Those that don't believe in the spiritual realm or they are laughing about what is going on, when you look at their family, those are the ones that are more bind.
In their family, those are the ones that have maybe the depression, maybe they have the anxiety, the suicidal thoughts, the drug addiction, the immoral part.
Those are the ones that are actually struggling in those areas.
And you realize people are so blind.
The Bible says that the scales of the eyes fail, right?
There's people that have scales in their eyes and stop them from actually seeing.
When their scales are removed, they actually realize, This was in front of me the whole time.
This is real.
Okay, how can I restore my family?
How can I bring this to my family?
How can I bring Jesus to my family to receive salvation?
Here's to hoping many more scales fall in their due time.
Julie, where can people find you?
Well, I'm on social media.
I'm everywhere.
You're everywhere.
You're in Colombia, Spain, UK, America.
No, I'm in the USA.
I'm actually on Instagram and I have my YouTube channel where I put teachings there, Julie Lopez.
I also run a ministry called RIGLATAM, R-I-G.
It means Restoring the Issachar's Generation.
That's the prophetic tribe that understood times and seasons.
So I'm part of the ministry called RIGNATION under Tommy And our mission is to basically train people to hear the voice of God, restoring that tribe that understands times and seasons and what the nations should do.
And so that's called Rick Latam.
So we are on Instagram, YouTube, we have our website, Rick Latam, and my website, Julie Lopez, too.
You can find you in all those places and not on a broomstick.
