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Aug. 5, 2023 - The Michael Knowles Show
01:07:18
YES or NO with Candace Owens

Candace Owens joins the show to answer tough questions with a simple "yes" or "no."

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Men who don't work out are like women who cry on TikTok after their pet bunny dies.
It's disordered, weak, and hard to look at.
at.
That's just funny.
When women are pregnant, they eat for two.
When my female friends are pregnant, I drink for two, as I will today on this episode of the Yes or No Game with my friend, Candace Owens.
Now, before we get to my guest.
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And now I will figure out which of my friend and loved one knows the other one better right now.
I just want to be forthcoming, I am a sore loser.
I know.
So I will flip the table.
Yeah, I believe it.
If the results are not that I win.
But you're going to have one advantage, which is, I think this is non-alcoholic.
Oh, I thought you were going to say people will be understanding because I'm pregnant.
Yeah, no, that's true also.
But I think it's non-alcoholic.
Otherwise, your baby number three will just have a lovely time.
Do you know the rules?
I know the rules.
Okay.
Ish.
And you know, that's how I feel too.
Yeah.
You know ladies go first.
Okay.
You take the first card.
Okay.
Do I read this out loud?
Yeah.
Okay, good.
Princess Diana's death was an accident.
Such a good one.
Who does this stuff?
Such a good one because it's so obvious.
Okay, ready?
Now you take mine.
What I think you're going to say?
One, two, three.
Awful convenient, that tunnel in Paris, isn't it?
Awful convenient.
Did I get your guess right?
No.
You think it was an accident?
I'm like the biggest conspiracy theorist, but I actually think that one might have just been an accident.
Is it just because you're friends with the Windsors?
Oh no!
Prince Philip's gone.
You don't need to protect him anymore.
It's weird.
You know what it is?
I think I haven't looked into that one enough.
And I just have memories when I was a kid of that happening and everyone being like, it was an accident.
And I just accepted the truth.
I accepted that the mainstream media was telling me the truth.
They would never lie to you.
They would never lie.
And the thing is, her continued existence only threatened the last major monarchy in the West.
Is that the theory?
It's kind of weird for your future queen to be divorced from the future king and then for her to be shacking up with some Arab guy.
I don't know.
It's just a little odd.
I think the Arab guy is Prince Harry's dad, though.
Now that's a theory I had not heard.
The red hair, it's from Genghis Khan, actually.
It's recessive.
Okay, so now I go.
Given that they make up only 6% of the population and are responsible for 65% of all related deaths, pit bulls should be outlawed as pets.
A little edgy, fellas.
Ooh, wow.
A little edgy out there.
Outlawed as pets.
Yes.
I gotta think about your answer.
Okay, let's go.
Oh wait, go this way?
Correct.
That's correct.
I would say no.
Really?
You're fine with pitbulls?
No, no, no.
I'm not fine with pitbulls at all.
But I think if you outlaw it, it just brings into question a lot of other things that we'd have to consider more deeply.
And I would say, I think people should not own pitbulls.
I am so against pitbulls.
I think it is ridiculous when people are like, it's bent on the owner.
It's like, how many more stories can the people that said it depends on the owner then get eaten by the pitbulls?
Yeah, yeah.
It's always the owner.
No, it's not the owner.
It's an aggressive dog.
I would offer that I do think it should be outlawed around children.
I think when you have a small child and you have Pitbull, it should be outlawed.
You should not be allowed to have Pitbull with a small child.
But then what if, let's say, it's just a single guy and he's got a Pitbull.
He's going to take the dog for a walk.
He's going to go to the park.
Yeah.
And there's going to be kids at the park.
Is he going to take him to the park?
Well, also now, if he goes to one of these millennial parks, it's just only dogs.
It's only millennials and dogs.
Right, yeah.
Maybe in certain places, too, like in New York City, where there's just a lot of humans.
But I guess if you're living in Columbia, Tennessee, and you've got 800 acres, I mean, what's it going to kill a deer, probably?
If you're in the steppelands of Central Asia, you can have a pit bull.
You can have a pit bull, yeah.
But I just think it's ridiculous that people... I think we should be responsible enough to stop Buying pitbulls and especially putting them around small children because truth is, is they're just aggressive.
I mean, I just read a story about one got off the leash and ran across the street and killed somebody's dog and then mauled someone's face.
I'm just like, every day there's a new story and you look at the statistics and it's like, it's telling a story.
They're like, no, it's the owner.
I'm like, is everybody, everybody who's got a pitbull is just training their pitbulls to do these things?
Right.
Also, the thing that they forget about, they're, they're anthropomorphizing dogs in a way that is only going to get worse as millennials treat their dogs as children.
But dogs, Don't have a reason.
So it's true if you train a dog in a bad way the dog is going to maybe behave worse than if you train him in a good way.
But it's not as though the dog can reason about abstract things like justice and the morality of chomping on a little toddler or something like that.
So you just can't blame the dog.
You can't blame the pitbull when he eats the toddler.
That's his instinct.
that's his genetics because as they age all dogs and cats get ornery anyways yeah you know what i mean like my cat as she got older she was just like less tolerant and like she swiped once never has ever even hissed at me nothing but then my baby was born and he was pulling at her and she just swipes like she's an animal you know what i mean so our instinct when something's pulling at her face is to swipe and i think people are completely deluded when it comes to pitfalls we did a whole episode on this but i would stop short of saying to outlaw them because i think there are probably deeper considerations there.
It might be a slippery slope.
Like a libertarian kind of thing?
No.
You're no libertarian.
I'm definitely not a libertarian.
I have to think about that one.
Okay, alright.
Well, I'll drink anyway.
No, you have to drink.
It's unclear.
I don't even know me.
I'll take a little gulp.
I might change my mind on Princess Diana.
So I might have you throw that back up.
And I'll move your card too.
We have a nice little discard pile.
My team is hotter than your team.
This is not taking a lot of thought for me.
I think you would have to agree.
Yeah, I mean, do I have eyes?
Yeah, exactly.
And a reason?
And two brain cells to rub together?
Yeah, obviously.
My team is hotter than your team.
And who are you going to compare it to?
I've got Mr. Davies and Producer Jacob.
Guys, guys, guys.
I've got girls.
Like, that was a very easy one.
That was a very simple one.
So, if you get it right, do I drink?
I always play by the rule, if you get it wrong, you have to drink.
If you get it right, you get to drink.
Well, I'm betting whatever it is you bet.
You're betting a thousand.
when you're doing really well.
Those are, oh, okay.
I just know you so well.
You do know me so well.
Listen, I'm an open book.
Yeah.
But you, you're a mystery wrapped in an enigma.
Even after all these years.
Unless you're a total lib, it's clear that women should keep it zipped while at church.
Okay.
Really interesting diction.
Yeah, I like the way it's being presented.
Oh, I forgot to bring this back.
Unless you're a total lib, women should keep it zipped at church.
I would say because of the wording, actually, of the statement.
It's perfectly right for women to take part in the solemn High Mass, in the Salve Regina, in some of the chanting, in some of the responses, you know.
No, they shouldn't be preaching or doing any of these parading rituals.
That's what I was thinking.
I thought they were going to be preaching, which is why I would say yes.
Yeah, obviously they shouldn't be.
Yeah, they should not be preaching.
Should they speak at all in a church?
Should they speak at all?
That was a wider question.
Now, in the low mass, they should not, but really nobody should.
Yeah, you got me right on that one.
But should they preach?
Absolutely not.
It's just the most absurd thing ever and it's part of the reason why I have a lot of questions about Protestantism.
There's a lot of that going on.
You're on a journey.
I'm on a journey, is what I would say.
Aren't we all?
Aren't we all?
Okay.
Wasn't there a big split with the Baptists over this?
There was.
There's one of the big Baptists.
Yeah, out in LA.
Yeah.
Mega church.
I thought he was a conservative guy, but then he was promoting priestesses.
Suddenly he said priestesses are a thing, and he apologized to women, and I just thought to myself, this is how we're going to end up with homosexuals in the church.
For sure.
Someone's going to say, I read the scripture, and I've done research, and actually it's totally fine to be a homosexual and lead a church, and it's totally fine to be trans.
Once you start No, the main line is completely gone.
My priest in New York, a great friend of mine, was an Episcopalian priest.
very fast.
And that is the reason why Methodist churches are flying the LGBTQ, I don't know how many letters they've tacked on since flag.
No, the main line is completely gone.
My priest in New York, great friend of mine, was an Episcopalian priest.
He became a Catholic priest over this priestess's thing back in the seventies.
And I said, oh, a friend of mine might become an Anglican priest.
And he said, Michael, that's not like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
It's like grabbing hold as the Titanic goes all the way down.
And so all the main line is gone.
But I thought the evangelicals and the Baptists and things like that, the low churches, I thought among Protestants, I thought they were doing relatively better.
But then all this stuff starts infecting them, too.
Yeah, well, yeah, to be fair, when they took a vote, Oh, they booted the guy out.
Yeah, they did boot him out.
So there is that.
But the margins were not 100%.
I mean, it was literally like, I think, I don't know, maybe something like 15 of the churches voted like, yes, they should still stay in.
And I was like, this is a problem.
Even the vote is a problem.
On the basis of your vote, if you voted yes, they should stay in, you should be kicked out.
Frame it as, unless we have the women take over all these traditionally male spaces, you're going to have weak women.
And I think a weak women, like all the great female saints of the Church, like St.
Lucy, like Teresa of Avila, all the really strong modern women, Present Company, I'm not flattering you, Present Company very much included, Compared to what, some like shrieky little feminist or something?
Give me a break.
Well, I'm just saying women in leadership roles in general, whether it's even women casting ballots and voting, becomes problematic because we vote emotionally.
And every problem that we have today, the women open the door to the gays and lesbians and trans.
Like, who do you think is behind the transgender?
I feel bad for them.
It's us.
And it's because, by the way, it's a good thing that we're more emotional.
It works for a lot of reasons.
It's a strength.
Emotionality is a strength, especially in the household.
I talk about this the whole time on my show.
But then outside of the household, it's not necessarily a good thing.
You need to have people that are willing to stand up and draw a definitive line and say, this can't happen.
And I think the greatest recent example of that is the Bud Light scandal.
Like Dylan Mulvaney was just like prancing around.
He was in all of these female spaces.
Women were like, He's not going to say anything.
He's like, ladies, stand up for yourself.
He feels like a woman.
It's like, whatever.
Literally just watching ourselves be eradicated.
And then, like, he opens one solitary can of beer, and now you've got Kid Rock exploding beer cans.
They're done.
John Richman.
Yeah, they're just like, no, no, no, this is done.
Men just don't tolerate that.
And so that is kind of a present day example of why women in leadership positions You know, we bend, we bend.
Right, and you're so right just even historically how this works because when you had feminism really come to the fore in the 70s, late 60s, early 70s, immediately afterward you had all of the rainbow LGBT stuff and then that culminates in transgenderism and it happens because feminism says men and women are the same.
Well, if men and women are the same then A boyfriend and a boyfriend is the same as a girlfriend and a boyfriend is the same as, and a husband and a wife is the same as a husband and a husband.
It all just kind of blends together.
Right.
You know, to your point on your very provocative comment about women voting.
There is a whole part of history that was written out, which is the women who opposed women's suffrage.
And they wrote at length about this, and they spoke at length about this, and it was the majority of women, actually.
Yeah, I know.
People don't know that.
And today, you know, it's over.
You know, clearly, it's not a live debate.
But it is rather misogynistic.
To not take those women seriously and say, oh, they were just a bunch of stupid dumb housewives.
Like, I don't know.
The minority on this, which is kind of interesting.
Yeah, right, right.
Yeah.
And you see it now.
You see the results of that.
A lot of things are happening.
The Society actually, quote, was very funny.
I tweeted because I was thinking about doing this whole episode about whether or not women, have we been responsible with our vote?
I said, not should we have the right to vote?
Have we been responsible?
More measured.
Working on an episode.
Can you name one thing in society that has gotten better since women have gotten the right to vote?
And no women were able to answer the question because they were too emotional about the question being asked.
I was like, this is all the proof I need.
They were like, how dare you ask this question?
How could you say this?
I'm like, guys, I have not said an answer here, nothing implied.
I'm asking you, if there's plenty of stuff that have gotten better, just write it in the comment section.
No one could even gather themselves because the question made them so emotional, and therein lied my answer.
I'll tell you, I've had two friends in my life.
Who are, you know, people I really respected who questioned the 19th Amendment.
It's you and Ann Coulter.
Yeah.
Well, yes.
Both very sharp ladies.
Both women and both very sharp.
Yeah.
Currently, if going up against the Trumpers, the Ramaswami mommies actually have a better chance of getting their guy in the White House than the simps do.
Yes or no?
In the primary against the Trumpers, Who does better, the Ramaswami Mami?
At first I've heard that term, but I'm liking that.
Or the DeSimps.
The Ramaswami Mami seems kind of nice, the DeSimps seems a little derogatory.
I didn't write this, I just want to be very clear.
Someone has a bias.
Somebody, somebody.
Okay.
Okay.
You're putting me over here on your side.
I don't know how this works.
You're saying no.
So we're going to go say no.
At least I was on no.
At least I had like, you know, generally speaking, there's two yeses.
You probably just need one on this table.
You're right.
That's true.
I just need one yes and one no.
That's for the designers.
So I said that you would say that the Ramaswami Mamis have a better shot than the Dissimps.
That is correct.
I would say absolutely.
And I, you got me right.
Yeah.
I think the Dissimps have a better shot than the Ramaswami Mamis, against the Trumpers.
I think the Dissimps are just, the comms team, they're not likable.
They, they, it is really, actually you tweeted this I think yesterday.
I did.
we did it like three weeks ago and I just saw it and I was like, their team has completely crushed his chances.
Yeah.
And it's so angry at the Trumpers, but they're angry at like 0.000017% of people that are young at them online.
And they're like basically making every person that supports Trump guilty of the sins of maybe four people that they're fighting online.
And it's actually making them lose.
Like if They need Trump support.
And it's just prudentially, it's insane.
It's not that I thought you were wrong when you made this point.
I was a little skeptical because I had never experienced it firsthand.
And then this happened to me yesterday because I tweeted out It was after they all got upset that Trump said that Xi Jinping is an impressive leader.
And I said, look, one, he's just bragging about how he'd beat an impressive leader at a trade deal.
But two, there is a strain of conservatism that kind of admires Xi Jinping because he keeps his country in order and because he governs according to some conception, albeit perhaps misguided, of the common good.
And that's not the libertarian kind of right-wing stuff, but there is a strain of traditional conservative thought that kind of admires strong leaders who keep their country together.
Yeah, sort of like people that admire Vladimir Putin.
Kind of like the people who say, look, I don't like Putin, but I admire that he's done this, that or the other thing, right?
And all of a sudden, it's not that I was attacked by conservatives randomly who don't like Xi Jinping.
It was these DeSantis accounts.
I'm not saying they're being paid by the campaign or anything, but they all have the little alligator and their accounts that exist basically just to promote DeSantis.
And they start attacking me.
And I thought, And kind of personally attacking me, and they're probably still doing it.
And I thought, this is really strange.
I am not endorsing in the primary.
Right.
I praise Ron DeSantis for something or another almost every day on my show.
I have spent some time with Ron DeSantis.
I really like him.
I also really like Donald Trump.
So I think if you're going after me, the most, I'm calling it like I sees it, How many voters are you turning off?
Look, the Trump campaign doesn't need to worry about this.
Trump's up 30 points in the polls.
DeSantis is down at 20% or less.
They have to win over a huge number of Trump voters, and so if you're just going to personally, viciously attack, it reflects so poorly on the candidate.
even though Ron DeSantis personally has nothing to do with this, you know, it's just a very poor reflection of an otherwise, I think, good candidate.
It's exactly what I was very even keel going into it.
Like, I was interested to see how things played out, wasn't committed to any candidate, felt how I felt about Ron DeSantis, didn't like the way he kind of entered in.
Yeah, you were always skeptical of DeSantis.
But not enough to like attack him or say anything was wrong with him.
And then his Christina pushback, She's always been nice to me.
she is quite vicious and she did she go after she's always been nice to me she went after me and it was a step on your head while you're drowning go after someone by liking a bunch of tweets and tweeting like sub-tweeting things to suggest that I was responsible for what Kanye West said oh the Kanye so it was like you know But it's just like, okay, you are running an account that says that you represent the ideas of Ron DeSantis.
You're just pushing people away, right?
So they do that all the time, though.
It's not just like she weighs on issues that have nothing to do with Ron DeSantis, but she is the voice for Ron DeSantis.
And so when she does that, people assume this must be what Ron DeSantis thinks about this.
She shouldn't do that.
So that's what I said.
I said they thought they had a Kayleigh McEnany who was excellent when she was press secretary, right?
She was a sharpshooter, but she didn't speak about things that Trump wasn't concerned about.
So they're not able to separate their personal feelings from what Ron's feelings are.
And that people are seeing it, like they're reflecting it.
It's actually hurting Ron.
So that's my take on it.
I think their campaign, whereas they pretend to be above it.
They're like, we're different from Trump.
We're Trump without the drama.
No, no, no, no, no.
They're very petty.
They're very dramatic.
The vague is actually Yeah, yeah.
who is saying above it all.
He's above the fray.
He's not going after anybody.
He doesn't go after anybody.
He just tells you his ideas.
So DeSantis' campaign is pretending to be what Vivek actually is.
And when I had Vivek on my show, I was so impressed.
I was so refreshed.
I really liked him.
And I like that he's still, even though obviously he's competing with Trump, he has great reverence for all the things that Trump has done.
Even when he speaks about things that Rana Sands is getting wrong, he's very level.
It's never personal.
It just talks about this is what he's getting wrong in Florida and here's what I would do differently.
And so I am, I guess, are we calling people Ramaswamy Mama?
Ramaswamy Mama.
Ramaswamy Mama.
But it's even, it's even the, it's not just the candidates because DeSantis doesn't personally attack people really, right?
No, but everyone around him does.
And it's interesting because I hadn't noticed it about his staffers.
I really was only noticing it about like rapid response, random accounts.
Staffers too.
That's interesting.
Staffers, influencers.
And I'm like, you guys are all hurting his campaign.
You're hurting his campaign.
Because you look at the Vivek team, for starters, I don't know.
I mean, I know them in the sense that I'm friends with Vivek Ramaswamy.
And so I kind of, if I were just like an outsider looking at the campaign, I wouldn't know any of their names.
And that's probably a good thing.
I think it's a good thing.
Yeah, I think it's a good thing.
He really does remain above it.
So I very much like the bacon.
I like that people are now starting to pay attention to him and listening to his ideas.
But do you think, okay, all of that to say, though, he's at whatever, you know, I think I think he's going to eclipse DeSantis.
Do you really think that?
Wow.
I think he will eventually.
Yeah, I think he will.
That's okay.
Listen, the Ramaswamy mommy just made the prediction.
I made the prediction right here.
Men who don't work out are like women who cry on TikTok after their pet bunny dies.
It's disordered, weak, and hard to look at.
That's just funny.
Who wrote these cards?
I don't know.
Some Philistine, probably.
Okay, so men who don't work out are like women who cry on TikTok.
I'm going to focus on that first part because it's kind of the second part.
I have to think about this.
Hold on.
Don't do it yet.
Okay, I got mine.
Okay.
You certainly got that right.
Did I get that right?
Yeah.
Yeah, of course.
Yeah.
You know how I knew?
Why?
Because George.
George is an exceptionally good looking man.
But he's not like in the gym.
He's not some like gym bro.
He's not a gym bro, but he works out every morning.
Does he?
He rose.
So it's just me.
He rose, of course he rose.
You know you're looking for a friend in this.
It's so British.
Yeah, he rose every morning at 4.30.
He just plays a game of cricket every single morning.
And then he jumps in the pool, you know, he does the ice plunge.
Yeah.
And then he jumps in there.
A little pickleball.
And then he also runs.
But he doesn't do the like... Yeah, yeah.
No, that's very un-British.
My argument as to why these are not comparable things and why working out is overrated is I like to think that I'm really, really fit.
No, I'm fit by the standards of a guy from the 50s.
Like, I eat a lot of fatty meats, and I drink, and I smoke cigars, and I've never seen the inside of a gym.
And in the 50s, you think of Superman, or, I don't know, Ricky Ricardo, or just, like, any guy from the 50s.
They were all just kind of, like, a bit doughy, but not, they weren't, they weren't fat.
How's it do?
It's a bit anachronistic to do that, because people were just more active in general, because there was less tech.
So, whereas now you have to isolate your fitness because it's so easy to be lazy, right?
That's true.
Then, you know, your grandparents, as you know, walked up the hill both ways to go to school.
In snow.
Yeah, in snow.
In the summer.
Exactly, in the summer.
All of our grandparents did it.
We know this.
So I always think it's funny because I think about my grandfather because he never worked out, but he was always working out.
Like, he was He was in the yard, he was, you know what I mean?
So he was very physical, whereas now we live a very sedentary lifestyle.
So I think you do have to incorporate some sort of a fitness, but I wouldn't say it's like women who cry on TikTok, because that's just demonstrative of like complete and utter... Psychic collapse.
Yeah, psychic collapse.
Yeah, which is like that, which is not the same as a man not working out.
So you can row.
I feel like you would, by the way.
Yale, George's Oxford, like it's kind of right up the alley.
No, I'll be the coxswain at the end calling out.
All right, my turn.
Don't get this wrong, okay?
Okay, I'll try.
I'm going to be really angry.
I'll try.
I'm going to flip a table for no reason.
This is really good.
Having a Ukraine flag in your bio is more forgivable than wearing Crocs.
Than wearing Crocs?
Yeah.
Correct.
Thank you.
This is a tough one for me.
It's very, very tough for me.
There's no easy answer.
There's not an easy answer.
I feel better because you've said that, because I'm about to cry on TikTok, to be honest.
I'm feeling real close to a cry on TikTok.
Selinsky.
Okay, you got me.
There we go.
Yeah, he just said his name.
Punch him in the face again.
Straight in the face.
If I could get away with it, I would, but I know I'm not allowed to, so I wouldn't do it.
If you get taken down for threatening violence against— Zelensky, that would be amazing.
I would be a hero.
You were early on.
I mean, I've always tried to be kind of moderate about, you know, Mr. Zelinsky and all this, but you, early on, you said, I don't like the guy.
I don't grifter when I see one, okay?
Highest paid actor in the world.
You got a hundred billion dollars.
I mean, wearing the fatigues the whole time, put on a different outfit.
We know that you're not in the trenches, okay?
Go to the White House, please put on an outfit.
Please, show some respect.
We've sent you billions.
And by the way, I've traveled to Saint-Tropez.
The Ukrainians now have yachts.
They've got shallots in Switzerland.
They've got yachts in... No, I'm not kidding.
I'm just looking at these are our tax dollars.
But at least he's wearing the army fatigues.
He can't be bothered to buy a tux.
It's like, bro, you can buy a Tom Ford tux 20,000 times today, okay?
His wife's shopping at Prada in France.
I mean, I can't stand it.
You're right, that was the right answer.
I'm about to freak out right now.
Not an easy answer, but a simple answer.
Yeah, a very simple answer.
There is a topic I would like to debate Ben Shapiro on.
Oh my goodness, absolutely.
It would be unpleasant to lose my job, but I don't know.
But it might be fun!
That's the thing.
I guess the reason it might be a no is a topic out of 10,000 topics.
Yeah, I know, I know, I know.
What would be one topic?
Actually, give us all 10,000.
We've got time.
Happily.
So I would like to brag just a little bit and pay a compliment to my friend, Ben, which is Back in the day, years and years ago, he and I, we would get into fights all the time about... Physical?
Always physical, always kind of like this.
We'd always get into fights about political philosophy.
There were certain thinkers that I really admire and enjoy that he didn't like.
I'm thinking of people like Michael Oakeshott.
This is a really nerdy fight.
People like Michael Oakeshott, people like Russell Kirk, people like Edmund Burke, and Ben didn't like them.
He's a John Locke guy.
He's more of an Enlightenment guy, and I'm kind of an anti-Enlightenment guy.
I'm an anti-liberal guy.
And I will say this, and this is to Ben's great credit, over the years, He's starting to simp for my guys.
Is he?
He's kind of like an Oakshot guy now.
He's like definitely kind of a Burt guy now.
It's not a debate then.
It's no debate.
It's just drinks and agreeing.
So you would like to drink and agree with Benjamin.
I would debate him on vaccines.
People would love that, by the way.
This is another one, though.
He used to be super duper pro.
Yeah, 100%.
Now, isn't he a little questioning?
I don't know.
I don't think so.
Certainly on the COVID vax he is.
Now he said he wouldn't have gotten the COVID vax.
Yeah, exactly.
But I don't know about all the other ones.
I think that would be super interesting.
How do we get that set up?
Oh, I'm down for that.
I'll bring my martini to that.
You're up.
Alright, this is going to be a good one.
What?
Seed oils cause sunburns.
Since you're an educated person, I assume you know the answer to that.
I'm going to take your lead on that.
You kind of gave away the answer here.
You got this wrong because you're going to have to drink.
And you have to drink a lot.
Really?
Yeah.
Whoa, hold on.
What?
I don't know anything about seed oils.
And this was almost a racist question because I don't get sunburned.
So I don't know anything about seed oils.
You're right.
And I don't get sunburned.
So I'm like, obviously that's not true because I've definitely eaten seed oils and I've never gotten sunburned because I'm black.
So I'm going to do a little common sense here, seed oils can't be causing sunburns for black people.
This is the best argument I've ever heard as to why seed oils don't cause sunburns.
Yeah, absolutely not.
I've consumed a lot of seed oils in my life and I've never gotten a sunburn because I'm black.
Let me tell you something, on this point, On this exact point, my mother, my beloved mother, was very dark-skinned.
Like Italian blacks?
I've seen Italian blacks.
Yeah, Sicilian.
They get super dark.
I remember I saw photos of her when she was young, and when I was a kid I said, oh mom, I didn't know you were black as a kid.
So cute!
And even in the summer, and she was like, well Michael, I'll talk about that later.
But even later on, when I was a kid, I'd get very brown in the summer, but she would get black.
I always thought, okay, I wouldn't sunburn.
But then in the middle of my teen years, for some reason, I started sunburning.
Wow.
And I thought, what now?
In retrospect, I realized I was consuming a lot of seed oils.
And then sweet little Alisa, who follows all the hippie stuff that you follow, she says, Mac, you gotta stop.
No more seed oils.
We're not going to cook with them.
We're not going to eat them.
Whatever.
So I greatly reduced it.
I was like, this is some hippie, dippy nonsense.
I don't get sunburns anymore.
And I'm that common little bit of that olive oil, I could burn, I don't know, right?
Yeah, but what are the seed oils in?
The reason why I don't want to go— Everything.
Everything.
It's probably in this martini.
I'm just already so crunchy that I'm fearful that if I let—if I look into—everybody keeps telling me, they're telling me to look into it.
I'm like, guys, you don't understand.
I will go crazy.
Like, I will be a psycho.
Yeah, I know.
I will just bite onto it like a pit bull.
Yes, like a pit bull on a tasty toddle.
Yes.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, you're there, Candace, because you can't turn away from the truth when you see it.
I know!
It's going to be so bad though!
I'm already like an 82-year-old full grandma right now.
And if I start listening to every little... I know how I am.
All right, fine.
I'm going to look into it.
It's so... Candace, you're going to Google it and six minutes later... I'm going to be done.
You're going to be done.
I know.
I can no longer avoid it.
It's following me.
I'm easy to work with.
So this is how I think you would answer about yourself.
And you're answering how I would answer about myself.
Okay.
Okay.
Ready?
Go.
Absolutely correct.
And I say you would say that you are not easy to work with.
Savannah?
Savannah!
Savannah!
Oh, she pisses me off when I say something like that.
She doesn't get over here.
I would say I'm easier to work with than George.
I actually do.
I'm, I'm, I'm, I think you're okay.
I am.
I'm easy to work with.
I have to really think about this.
I don't know what I would say.
Just drink anyways.
I'm going to choose.
Yeah.
Because yeah, you should just drink for me.
Yeah.
Drink again.
Because I think what I would say is I think I'm very easy to work with, because you know why?
No one ever leaves my team.
So that's got to be, you know, usually you get a high turnover, you're not easy to work with.
But I would say that when it comes to my show, I'm a perfectionist.
And so I mean, down to like naming the titles, all of the stuff, I'm very involved.
And if something's not right, then somebody like is slipping that day.
And I'm like, listen, I write the show.
I go like, you got to do this job and you got to do it right.
And I will like.
Yeah.
So, but I think that's just like everyone has to bring their A game.
But it's not easy, like I think about it with Jeremy too.
Is it Jeremy easy to work with?
Jeremy is a, that's going to sound like I'm being too nice.
Please don't tell Jeremy I said this.
Jeremy is a joy to work with.
It's the joy of my professional life to work with Jeremy.
He's the guy's a creative genius.
It's every day is something new.
It's just, he's not easy to work with.
I mean, same thing.
He's got this crazy vision, and he's ruthlessly perfectionist about everything.
And so it's not easy, but it's very gratifying.
And I see a kind of a similar thing.
I would say, and I'm super nice to everyone, that I know people will say over and over again.
I'm definitely not mean.
I never raise my voice.
I don't believe in yelling.
I think actually when you yell at people, it shows you've lost control.
Yeah.
You do believe in corporal punishment.
But I hit them.
You hit them.
I do get Savannah.
You do.
That's different.
That's different.
People get it.
Just for recreation.
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
My turn.
You're up.
You are definitely easy to work with.
I am.
I'm just such a... You're like, whatever.
Huh?
What?
Turn it in on... Don't turn it in.
I don't know.
This is so great.
Most likely, Savannah will be fired before Ben Davies.
Brilliant timing on this.
You know, the...
The sharpness of that question might change my answer.
One, two, three.
No.
We can never be too sure.
No, no.
And I'd like to make this announcement right now.
I've enjoyed working with Ben Davies, and I appreciate his contributions to my show, but I think it's time for him to move on.
Yeah, I do too.
But I was just about to say that about Savannah.
So, she just got to speak first.
But I've enjoyed her contributions.
We're going to lose them both?
We're going to just lose them both.
I feel free now.
We can just say whatever we want now.
Mr. Davies already wrote the rest of my question, so I don't need him until the next episode.
Brilliant timing.
You're up.
You're up.
If you're not married by 30, you should only really be concerned if you're a woman.
One, two, three.
Drink, my dear.
Oh my gosh!
Drink your seltzer water.
Drink your seltzer.
Oh my gosh, you would say no!
Explain!
Yes, because people are going to start to wonder about you, first of all, if you're a man, and they're going to wonder about your loafers and the heaviness or lightness of them.
But the other thing, you should be concerned, forget about how people perceive you, because, you know, I think it's perfectly fine to obviously engage in religious life, you know, join an order or even consecrated singlehood or something like that.
If you lack the charism for celibacy, and you're single by 30, and you're a fella, You are very likely going to be fornicating or looking at porn.
I mean, men, it's like we're riding around on an elephant.
The libido is so insane, and even more, I know women, you know, sort of throw themselves at me as I'm walking down the street, but it's not like, women have no idea.
For men, the sexual drive is just so intense that if you're single, and you don't really have an outlet for that, and you're in your 20s, late 20s, 30s, it's not going to be conducive to your virtue.
Okay, but what was the question?
You should be concerned.
You should only be concerned if you're a woman.
Okay, so it's how you think about what concern is.
Yeah.
Okay, that's an interesting take on it.
Because what I would say is that I heard that question and thought, women, biological clock ticking, you should be concerned, you haven't found a partner.
You know, you've got a very short runway now to get this figured out.
And also, I had this ex-boyfriend.
I actually dated a guy.
And the reason why I was going to say I disagree about 30 is because women like older men, so they're not like running out of time.
There's no biological clock that's ticking.
It's like, are you going to figure your ish out?
Yes or no?
Who knows?
But you're not like, oh, well, that's it.
It's over for me.
Right.
I have this ex-boyfriend who I dated who was 11 years older than me.
I was 22.
He was 33.
Right.
Wow.
And he said something to me that you sometimes just a sentence in your life, you just never forget it, right?
And at the time we were dating and I was like, you know, why don't you date any girls your age?
And he's like, well, because if I date a girl that's 33, she's going to want to ring immediately.
And he said, and the truth is, is that if you're a guy and you meet a girl and she's in her early 30s and no other guy wanted her, your first thought process is, what's wrong with her?
What am I missing?
Wow.
And it never left me.
It never left me.
Whoa, man, that is brutal.
And I've asked a few guys that question, and they've been like, to be honest, like, yeah, if I met a 33-year-old girl and everything looked right, I would be like, okay, but what am I missing?
Because you're so great that, like, why didn't some other guys swoop you up in your 20s?
And so I think that it's a steeper climb for women for a lot of different reasons.
Obviously, it has worked for people.
I know people that have gotten married at 36.
Like, it can happen.
But those, I think, are the exceptions and not the rules.
Do you wonder though if now, because I totally get that in principle, but now for women, especially millennial women who are raised in this feminist culture that said don't get married, just pursue the widget factory career forever and just do you, you, you, and then these women come to their senses in their late 20s and early 30s and they're otherwise Great women who were basically just duped by culture.
I mean, I wonder, I think that's a pretty large chunk these days.
Yeah, feminism can colonize your brain.
I say it all the time in my show.
I'm like, don't let it colonize you.
You will get to 30, and then you get to 33, and it's first it's I'm having fun, living life, I'm doing me, and then suddenly you realize all your friends are getting married, all your friends are having children, you're seeing all these announcements on Instagram, and you're like, what was I thinking?
You probably also walked away from a really good guy who liked you.
At least one?
Yeah, at least one, maybe two in your 20s, but you just thought that it was going to be forever, your youth was going to be forever.
And there is actually a biological change that happens, and I tell women this the whole time.
Like, I remember being in my early 20s and I had the young, carefree mentality.
I was also liberal in all my perspectives, so I was eating up the feminist garbage, which is fine.
I always say, you can experiment with feminists like a drug in college, it's fine.
You shouldn't keep on the drug.
You shouldn't be proud of it.
You try the drug and then you gotta let it go, you know?
But yeah, so I had these feminist perspectives, but then something changed and it wasn't a mental change, it was deeper than that.
It was like biological, spiritual, suddenly you're aware that you are a mammal.
And I would say it happened around 27, 26, when I was like, must find mate have babies like it's so weird and i'm seeing what happened to other women now that i'm friends with and they're turning 27 28 and they're like must find mate have babies so there there is something that happens there's a sea change that happens within women in their later 20s where suddenly all of the ideology means nothing the sociology means nothing and the biology overrides You're like, give me baby.
When I met George, I said, I want kids.
Like, I mean, it was the first date, you know?
Your first sentence, I think, was, and you said, hello, nice to meet you, George, give me baby.
Yeah, give me baby.
Right now.
Yeah.
And he, we're married, happily married.
It worked, ladies!
I was like, I'm going to put all my crazy up front, and it worked.
It did.
For people who don't know, 18 days.
Eighteen days to meet my husband and before we got engaged.
And I got it right?
You did get it right.
He's so cute.
I just love him.
Cute.
He's so cute.
Cute?
I don't know.
Okay.
Cute and angry Englishman.
Yes.
Yeah.
He's very, he's very manly.
He's very, you know, I don't know, cute.
I'm up.
Candace is up.
Yells Ben Babel.
Did we fire him?
I thought so.
I'm glad he didn't leave.
Nobody listens to us around here.
The law of attraction is harmless and is simply a vapid Instagram level therapy practiced among redheads, women who drink from Stan Lee's, and dudes named Skylar.
Vivid.
Read the first part.
The law of attraction is harmless and is simply a vapid Instagram-level therapy practiced among redheads, women who drink Stanley's, and dudes named Skylar.
What's a Stanley?
Oh my God, it's like the basic white girl cup that everyone has.
Sometimes these things happen on TikTok where like, and then like white girls go crazy, like, we all have to do it right now.
And it was a Stanley cup.
And some girl was like, I drink so much water when I drink out of this cup.
And then literally, yeah, every, every white girl in America bought the cup.
Yeah, I have seen, I have seen white girls holding, it's got a little handle.
They're like, it's true.
It works.
I drink so much water.
Just sticking a little white girl trying this is actually really sweet.
You think I'm going to say?
You're going to say no.
And I'm certainly going to say no.
Harmless, simply.
I agree.
Of course.
I agree.
You're right.
It is all the things in the second part of the question.
The law of attraction is just for depressed but eccentric women to try to make sense of a world that they find chaotic and confusing.
But it's a cult.
It's a cult.
It's New Age cultism and it will Drive you crazy.
And the women who go into it go completely insane.
No, I totally agree.
I totally agree.
They're the ones that cry on TikTok.
Yeah, they do.
With their Stanleys.
With their Stanleys.
$75 they paid for that.
That's so outrageous.
Do you ever... These things happen.
No.
No.
I wanted to see if I could get... Mark's safe from sunburns.
I'm safe from Stanley cups.
You're up.
I'm up.
I've met someone who I believe was possessed by a demon.
Oh my goodness.
I didn't think about that.
Okay.
Got it.
Correct.
I'm not sure.
You know why?
Because I felt no for you because I just thought, you see the good in everybody.
So even if there was a demon, you'd be like, you know, maybe they just had a bad day.
Maybe it was merely vexation.
Maybe it wasn't total possession.
I'm not confident, even of people who've had bizarre aspects to them.
I'm not confident.
I think, oddly enough, people knock me because they say that I talk about demons and angels and stuff too much, but I don't see demons under every rock.
I think demonic possession is a basically rare thing, maybe increasingly prominent in our culture, but it's not every person who has a problem is possessed by a demon.
They might be tempted or vexed by demons, but I think full-on possession is still pretty rare.
I think Hollywood is quite demonic, and I see people possessed by it in a weird way.
I've seen people ruin their lives on this quest for Hollywood-level fame, and I think that that's a demon, and they can't shake it.
It's really weird to watch someone destroyed.
That's not like a demon literally acting through their body.
Yeah.
At the very least, a demon influencing.
Right.
Oh, yeah.
You think Hollywood is where you've seen it?
Yeah, it's very demonic.
It is a demonic place.
And then there's just, there's pathways to it, like Instagram.
I've seen women, like, I think it's a possession of sorts, and maybe it's not, yeah, like a full-on demon, but To see the way that Instagram, think about the way that we grew up and we were like playing outside and we have like scrapes on our knees and I had braces and I was super ugly but I thought I was cute in my braces.
Were you ugly as a little?
Well, I look like I got pictures and I'm like, oh my god, I thought I was so cute and I think everyone else thought I was cute too and I was getting my braces changed different colors.
I thought that was hot and I smiled big in my middle school pics because I wanted people to see my teal braces.
Did you?
I hid my braces.
I would do a smile like this.
I thought I was fly in my braces.
Maybe you were.
All the confidence in the world.
And then I see these girls today and they're getting like lip injections at 14 because they're spending so much time on Instagram and they're seeing, that's a, something's not right there.
And willing to go under the knife.
I mean, these are possessions of sorts, right?
And so whether it's demonic, true to being a demon, I don't know.
That probably isn't right.
People are possessed.
Social media causes, I think, possessions.
Yeah, and it leads you down those paths.
I mean, especially when people dabble in drugs, especially the mind-altering drugs, and when people fall into these crazy sins of pride, that really takes you down a bad path.
But I've heard stories of first-hand accounts of people who Or speaking to people and then they'll start yelling in Aramaic, kind of like that degree.
Yeah.
But even that is increasing in prevalence.
I've spoken to exorcists.
Talking to an exorcist is sometimes, it's sort of like talking to a plumber.
You think you're going to hear some amazing wild story from an exorcist.
Often it's just, yeah, well then I had to unplug this person, you know, they have this stupid demon flying around them.
But the stories I hear from them are Yeah, George tells me that.
Yeah, George chats with these people.
Not the demons, right?
Not the demons.
I don't think so.
Not anymore.
Not anymore.
We've put that behind us.
But talking to exorcists now, they say the phone rings more often today than it used to.
Yeah, there's something going on.
You can feel it in the climate and definitely within Hollywood.
It's programming people in a way that I think is... I just have questions about it.
I agree.
Especially Hollywood.
Gamora by the sea.
Yes, drink, drink.
Am I up or is it you?
Me.
It's you.
I totally lose track.
I want to find the person who's writing these.
Remind me to do that after.
Pfizer is more trustworthy than Carly Russell.
Don't even, I'm obsessed.
Yeah, with the Carly Russell thing.
I am obsessed.
I don't, I don't even, all I've seen about it is from you.
Yeah, okay, just stop then, because you just need to understand so you can actually answer this question.
Okay.
Like, this black girl goes missing, and, like, they find her running car.
She calls 911 and says there's a toddler on the side of the road, right?
And then, um, she hangs up the phone call, reports the toddler, and the toddler kind of looks like Tommy Pickles, wearing a t-shirt and a diaper.
She hangs up the phone, and then she calls her sister-in-law, and she's, like, talking to her, like, I'm gonna try to talk to this toddler.
She gets out of the car.
Her sister-in-law hears a scream.
Police get there five minutes later.
Carly's wig is on the side of the road.
This is in Alabama, okay?
Her wig's on the side of the road, her purse, her keys, her Apple Watch, and the car is running.
And obviously, this is on the side of a, like, I-495 in Alabama.
It's, like, a busy, kind of a busy road.
And, um...
So this manhunt ensues for 49 hours.
For the toddler?
For the toddler and Carly, you know.
Oh, because they only found the top, the wig rather.
They only found the wig.
Not her.
They didn't find her, right?
And so, of course, instantly you were condemned if you were white and you were not talking about this.
Because the reason why you don't know the story is because you're racist.
That's why.
Right?
If you didn't share her story and try to get her, it's because black girls don't get any love, blah, blah, blah.
Long story short, she turns up 49 hours later at her parents' house, and she's in a catatonic state, and she won't talk to the police.
So there's this long wait to figure out what happened, and they're going, why aren't you telling us where the toddler is?
Her family's like, leave us alone.
She needs to heal mentally.
And I was instantly like, this is Jesse Smollett 2.0.
Yeah, whoa.
And it ended up being worse than Jussie Smollett, as in, like, she snatched her own wig.
She told the police a story that, like, some guy with red balding hair, Prince Harry-type character, took her into the woods.
Might have been him.
Might have been him, but he's not strong enough.
Threw her over a fence, put her in an 18-wheeler, fed her Cheez-Its.
I mean, you gotta get it.
It is like, like, she makes Jussie Smollett look like child's play.
And you know what?
You know why, Candace?
The only reason you're talking about this is because you're all racist.
I know.
And then they did that.
Then they switched and they said, you better talk about it.
And then if you started talking about it within 72 hours, they were like, how dare you have any questions?
But you just told me!
You just told me all the time!
It is a glorious story.
It's like, you cannot miss it because it's better than Jussie Smollett.
And it's... So the question is, is Pfizer more credible than this person?
person.
Yes.
Yeah, man.
At least she didn't poison the water.
I know, she didn't poison the world.
At the end of the day, I trust Harley more than I trust Pfizer.
Obviously.
Easy, easy!
I've cried in the past year.
- The past year. - The past year? - Actually, we'll need to define crop.
Oh, okay, got it.
We need to define cry.
I personally feel like you cried this morning.
You did.
I cried, I did.
I thought, I have the joy of drinking with Candace today.
It was tears of joy.
No, I have cried.
You know, deaths in the family kind of thing.
But is it a cry?
Because I feel that the way I cried was very manly.
And the way I cried is the way a man ought to cry, which is, you know, at the moment of intense, you know, you're at the funeral or something, and this loved one is, you know, being sent off, you kind of let a, you know, a tear or two...
Like Johnny Fontaine and the Godfather?
I don't know.
You know, it's just like, you kind of let the one, you kind of, you don't even kind of just wipe it away like that.
So I've done that.
I've done that.
But I haven't started bawling or anything like that.
In the last year, no bawling?
No bawling.
You weren't like... Only B-A-L-L-I-N apostrophe.
I'm bawling all the time, but I have not been bawling.
Yes, I actually can think of one time in the past year that I was boohoo'd.
I'm not a big crier, which people think is weird, but I just, I don't cry a lot.
You're pretty tough.
But I boohoo'd, boohoo'd cried in, it was just way too much stress going on in my life, I think in October, where, I mean, it was just a month where I think Savannah and I traveled 26 days out of 30 days.
We had the Kanye controversy going on, the documentary was coming out, Savannah literally almost died in Paris like of an allergic reaction.
And then I got home, don't forget I was postpartum, and then all my hair started falling out at the same time.
Because you know you get like postpartum shedding.
And I just remember I was in the shower and like the hair I was holding in my hands and it was like during all this stuff going on.
Women take that very hard.
Anything else!
I was like, please!
Make something stop!
That was a tough month, obviously, but every woman takes that so hard, but it's a natural thing.
It's a natural thing.
But they all start crying.
Yeah, I think for me it was just like, if it had just happened by itself, You might have.
Without like Kanye West anti-Semitism scandal, George Floyd documentary coming out, like everything that was happening.
Savannah literally almost dying in Paris.
And I just was like, I was like, I can take nothing else.
And then I take a shower and my hair, and I was like, and I boohoo cried by myself in the shower.
And that's the only time I can think of in the last year where I like properly boohoo cried.
Yeah.
It was nice.
I get why people like to cry.
It was cathartic.
Yeah, it was nice.
It was cathartic and I felt better after.
No, I didn't because my hair was still in my head.
It was still gone.
It's back now, looking beautiful.
It grew back.
It grew back.
It's fine.
And my daughter's really cute.
Louise is really cute.
She's worth it.
My goddaughter, absolutely.
She is a very cute... Both of your children are beautiful.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She's so sweet.
Georgie is just... Georgie's a tough, tough little guy.
Georgie, I'm scared of him.
Yes.
Because he's already, like... He's just such a guy.
Yeah, he's already, like, riding motorcycles is the thing.
He's very advanced.
Everyone says, oh, my child's very advanced.
Your children, both of them, are very advanced.
He told me to build him a house yesterday, and I was like, that's not a normal sentence from a two-year-old.
Like, I said, don't hit your sister, and he said, no, build me a house!
And I was like, this is, I'm not, I don't have the tools in the shed.
I didn't ask you if it was normal, mommy, now get to building!
So two-year-olds are crazy.
We all know that.
We're terrorists.
I'll drink anyway.
Yeah, you drink.
Because I cried and I lost my hair.
Nobody was there for me.
I'm up.
I haven't remembered a single one.
And I've had like four sips of this martini.
It's worse to be skinny fat than gym thick.
- Ooh.
Okay, I got mine.
Correct?
Correct.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, for sure.
I totally think it's better.
It's a cope for the gym-thick bros who are trying to say otherwise, but no, you know.
I know.
I think it's better to be gym-thick.
So you're wrong.
Drink up.
What?
Yeah, because then you're, at least you know you're in shape.
What?
You know, whereas if you're skinny fat, then you're not, you're not strong.
Gotta get strong.
I'd like to point out that both the father of your children and the godfather of your daughter are, neither of us are gym-thick bros.
Yeah, but gym fit could also be for girls.
Actually, I don't know, but I made you drink anyways.
You did.
That's fine.
Now I'm getting thicker by the second.
That's the point, yeah.
Going to the dentist is pointless and fake, much like recycling or taking women's studies in college.
You're just going to leave your cup right there.
Smile.
Boom.
Smile.
I feel like you're a dentist, bro.
You are a dentist, bro.
Candace, I could not tell you the last time I went to the dentist.
Oh my gosh!
No, I do use, I use a very fancy toothbrush.
Do you?
So that it stays, it's like relatively white.
Even with all the cigars and the coffee and it's, they stay relatively white.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't.
You didn't smile when I asked you to smile.
I didn't want to give it away.
Do you know the only time that I would go to the dentist?
Two-thirty.
Two-thirty?
What does that mean?
Two-thirty.
Oh my gosh, dad jokes.
Drink for that.
Happily.
Two-thirty.
Okay, I actually, you got this right.
You did get this right.
I did, yeah.
You're not, so let me see.
I do.
You have actually beautiful teeth.
Because I love the orthodontist.
I have an obsession with the orthodontist.
Well, I have an obsession with brushing my teeth.
I actually have a mental dental disorder.
A mental dental?
I am constantly trying to perfect my teeth.
I go see the orthodontist.
They're excellent teeth.
I love my orthodontist.
Thank you.
You still go to the orthodontist?
I wish I could still wear my braces.
This kind of goes back to 7th grade when I thought my braces were cool.
I have an affinity for the orthodontist.
You want to hear a secret?
I've never said this on air.
I wear my retainer every night.
I wear my retainer every day and Michael and says that I have a problem.
She's like, why are you wearing a retainer?
I swear.
And I was just like, it just makes me feel safe.
By the way, if you take it out for like two nights, your teeth move around.
I know!
That's the whole point.
Even still.
I know.
So I'm actually thinking about getting a metal bar on the back of my bottom row.
That's like body modification.
The point is, of all the mental disorders to have, many to choose from today, a mental dental disorder feels okay.
But I think my orthodontist is tired of seeing me.
He's like, I can't fix this thing.
I mostly see 11-year-olds.
I'm like, in the mirror, I'm like... Candace, you're not... you do... wow.
And you floss?
Oh, I floss like a psycho.
Wow.
I love it.
I floss sort of annually.
I think the tobacco and the alcohol... I think you're meant to be an Englishman.
I think it's like, yeah, just get to rowing and you'll be all right.
Yeah.
You're up.
A night of drinking and smoking with the boys is a healthy practice for married men.
Totally.
You would agree with that.
I know you would agree with that.
I know.
I would be shocked.
Well, you know that I... But... Yeah, guys need their guy time.
Thank you.
100%.
I felt 50-50, actually.
I just wanted to be, like, confident.
It's like when George tells me when he comes back after you guys go to the cigar lounge, he tells me what you guys talk about.
I'm like, I'm so glad you talked to Michael Knowles about that because I just don't want to talk about that.
I have no interest.
Yeah.
I know.
He couldn't be less interested in what you and Michael Knowles talked about.
It's a wonderful conversation about... It is my entire social life.
My entire, like, go-out social life is going to the cigar lounge with your husband and maybe, like, one other guy or two other guys.
Yeah, the same for my husband.
And, like, he needs that.
And in the same way that women need their girl time, and because women talk, we talk about really stupid things.
So I'm so compelled by political topics and whatever the dilemma is of the day, but I also need to talk about really stupid, basic things with my girlfriends.
Which is, I find fascinating, because I'm like, no, Candace, you're so much smarter than this.
Why do you care about this ridiculous scandal?
And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
This is everything.
And it's not everything.
I know it's not everything, and I'm very practical, but I'm still a woman.
It's pleasurable, and you, yeah.
Yeah, because it's like, it's relaxing.
Women like to gossip.
I mean, it really goes back to hunters and gatherers.
Men, I mean, it's just, it's different.
Legitimately, over the countless hours and countless cigars and drinks, with your husband specifically, We have almost entirely talked about routing the Saracens out of Jerusalem and Constantinople and stuff.
It's not fun talk for me, you know?
And that's just not fun.
It's not relaxing to me.
I feel like you guys are just engaging your brains for fun.
Whereas, like, women, I'm impressed.
He'll be like, oh, I saw Michael.
And just giving you an example of when you guys had your last kid.
Oh, and Alyssa's pregnant again.
I'm like, oh, is it a boy or a girl?
He's like, I didn't ask.
I'm like, what did they do?
He's like, I didn't ask.
What kind of information?
Like, how are you not interested enough to ask these basic questions?
It's like, I don't know, men are just... I had that exact same conversation when I came back and I mentioned to Elisa that you, for the first time now, and after two children, were off track to keep up.
And I said, oh yeah, you know, Candace, it's great.
She goes, oh wow, that's, oh that's so wonderful.
She said, Oh, wow, that's so wonderful, Meg.
Wow.
And so what did George say?
Like, how far along is she?
And when?
And what is the sex?
It was like... How am I supposed to know that?
Unbelievable.
I don't know how you guys do this.
I'm like, George, what do you mean you don't want to even ask this question?
It's not, I'm glad you're, you know, glad you're... Like, yeah, men and women just doesn't work the same.
Our interests are just very different.
I'm up.
You're up.
I got the last one.
You got the last one.
Not being white helped my career.
Okay, so you're answering as me.
Yeah.
And I'm answering as you.
But you are white.
So I'm very confused by this.
Not being white.
So if that is your premise that you're starting with, then you're going to have to answer a certain way.
But okay, so not being white has helped my career.
Canvas.
How could you be so foolish?
What?
But you are white!
Candace.
The Sicilians are a racially liminal people.
They're very marginal.
And back, look, in my wayward youth, I made a number of mistakes.
One of which was, I was briefly a professional actor, and I did little parts in TV shows and movies and things like that, plays.
Now, they classify you when you're an actor.
Are you white?
Are you black?
Or are you ethnically ambiguous?
Now, I, having a little bit, so I'm a little lighter right now.
Yeah, in California it was darker.
When you're a little ethnically ambiguous, one time I got a great, this was the job that got me eligible for SAG, the Screen Actors Guild, which is a terrible union actually.
I got to play the white part and the Hispanic part.
Wow.
Because I was ethnically ambiguous.
And putting my wayward youth, my indiscretions of my past aside, I think about my actual life and career.
I actually believe being a little bit darker has allowed me to be a little bit edgier.
When I talk about certain topics.
So if you were Irish looking.
Far Irish, Nordic.
I think I actually, if I were really waspy looking, I don't think I'd get away with being as loose.
So if you looked like George.
George, I would not get away with it.
I could carry Thor's hammer around.
Right.
I would not be able to opine.
The Mediterranean's and the darker, you know this in popular culture, the Italians get away with a lot more.
Yeah.
They get away with crime.
Yeah, it's true.
You know, lewdness, obscenity.
No, it's true.
They do.
It is, it is a minority.
Yes, because kind of a minority.
Also, you guys were treated like absolute dirt when you got here.
We were, actually.
It's like, you could never talk about that.
I'm like, if you want to talk about, like, people that should be upset about things that happened in yesteryear, the Italians were treated like dogs when they got here.
Numbers-wise, the Italians were not the most lynched people.
Also Irish.
Irish did not apply.
Do you know the largest mass lynching in American history?
No, I don't.
The Italians.
11 Italians in New Orleans.
Wow, I didn't know that.
That's a very fun fact.
That is, and people, nobody knows it.
Now, you know, it wasn't, like numbers wise, I would say probably black people were the majority of lynchings, but largest, it was the Italians.
A lot of people, everybody can claim a little bit of historical oppression.
Okay, so why did you pick yes for me?
Well, because you have this great ability, which is, you come out, right?
Compliment me.
I will.
You come out, and you're in this culture.
You didn't choose to be in this culture, but you're in this culture that says, if you're black, you've got to be a big lib.
And we'll reward you for being a big lib, by the way.
But you've got to be a big lib, and you'll be this advantaged ethnic background, and white people are terrible, and just go along with us.
And then you come out, and you say, no, actually, that's all a bunch of BS, and here's why it's BS.
And especially in the early part of your career, you just kind of laid it out flat.
And so you were punished for that.
Initially, by the mainstream.
But I think you were ultimately rewarded because it put you in this position where you uniquely were listened to, you uniquely were hated, you uniquely were threatened, but it blew you up into the mainstream.
It was a perfect moment, too, because people were just so much more vicious, I think.
It's one thing to say you're a black conservative, but how could you support Trump?
There are plenty of black conservatives, but you're a real conservative.
I'm also very vocal, which I always say.
Dr. Ben Carson, he was so sweet when I met him, and he was like, you know, you've been able to do so much more in terms of communicating your ideas than I was throughout my career, and obviously he's It's a literal brain surgery.
He's obviously much more brilliant than I am.
Do you remember at the debate, I said, what's your most thing you're proudest of?
And everyone said, oh, I beat this Democrat or whatever.
And he goes, I separated conjoined twins in the hand.
Casual.
Same.
But he, and I remember saying to him, it's because you were way too polite, you know?
And I think that's the difference, is there's a certain decorum to like, Dr. Ben Carson and Dr. Condoleezza Rice, and they're just sort of like, I'm not gonna engage when they get called an Uncle Tom and a coon, and I'm just like, no, I'm here, and I'm willing to engage.
Like, I will 100% get into an argument with somebody, and I think that that sort of startled people, because typically black conservatives were just shut down, you know?
And when they said something, it was like, you're a traitor, you're a race traitor, whatever, and people were like, okay.
You also did this thing, which it just means you took the opportunity.
This doesn't have to do with your race, but it means you took the opportunity where a lot of times someone becomes, I'm the black conservative, they'll just stay there in that little box.
And you said, I'll talk about race sometimes, but I have many more things to say.
Yeah.
You kind of beat them at that game where you said, no, I'm actually, I'm going to talk about vaccines.
I'm going to talk about religion.
I'm going to talk about this.
I'm going to talk about Trump.
I'm going to talk about that.
I'm going to talk about foreign policy.
I'm going to talk about Russia.
I'm going to talk.
And it just totally Yeah, I actually have an article that somebody wrote and they called my topics on my podcast, the unholy conservative gumbo.
I quite like that.
It's meant to be insulting.
And I was like, and it's actually a really funny article, but I agree.
There's no question that, but I always question my head.
I'm like, What if I did it as a liberal?
Like, what if I was Candace Owens and I was, you know, George Floyd dies, I'm front and center, I'm doing the media circuit at MSNBC and CNN, I'm debating Michael Knowles, right?
Talking about how amazing Greta Thunberg is and how the environment, you don't care about the environment because you don't have to breathe the same air black people have to breathe, whatever.
I think I would have... You'd be richer.
I'd be richer.
The deals, think about it, what they would have given to me.
Look at Van Jones.
Freaking Jeff Bezos for no reason gave him $30 million.
I would be so much richer.
And that's what I tell people.
I'm like, if I was a liberal, I would have done it so much better than you.
So much better than you.
That's true.
They're like, you went to the Republican side because it paid.
I'm like, girl, if I wanted to make money, all I had to do was say Black Lives Matter and be the same Candace Owens.
Go after conservatives, would have had a good time.
Right.
It would have helped your career.
Crushed Matt Walsh.
You would have destroyed him.
That would have been a great advantage.
Yeah.
If you had done that, your career would have benefited materially and in the short term.
Yeah.
Your soul would have been destroyed.
Yeah.
Candace, to your health, to your child.
I'll drink for the two of us.
The pleasure is always.
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