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July 1, 2023 - The Michael Knowles Show
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"I Was Struck By Lightning" YES or NO | Jim Caviezel & Tim Ballard

Jim Caviezel & Tim Ballard joins the show to answer tough questions and talk about the new movie Sound of Freedom. Try Hallow for 3 months FREE: https://hallow.com/michaelknowles

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It's just a coincidence that many elites in Hollywood and big tech are also some of the harshest critics of the Sound of Freedom movie.
Does Michael think it's a coincidence?
I'm just thinking about it for a second.
I don't think he thinks it's a coincidence.
Don't give me the answer.
It's cheating.
It's cheating.
- I see that. - I see that. - I don't usually get starstruck.
I've met plenty of famous people, but it is very rare to meet one of the great American heroes.
It's very rare to meet one of the greatest living actors.
And it is rarer to meet them both at the exact same time.
But that is what we are doing on today's episode of Yes or No, where I am joined by the greats, Jim Caviezel and Tim Ballard.
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Gentlemen, Thank you for coming on the show.
Well, as impressed as you are, my family knows that this idiot is terrible at these board games.
So I don't know what I'm doing.
I'm glad.
So the basic idea of it is we're each going to take a card.
I'll take a card.
I'll read the prompt.
Then later on, you'll take a card.
And when you read the prompt, Okay.
We're going to guess how the other person would answer.
So if I read whatever the prompt is, I say, okay, I think Jim says yes, and I move your drink to yes.
Okay.
And then however you think I'll answer, you move my drink to wherever that is, and we figure out who's right.
Somehow people are awarded points.
And then we're going to switch you out for you, Tim.
But let's begin, Jim, with you, and let's see how bad you are.
Are we putting money down because the whole game becomes a different story?
Okay.
All right.
It's a good conversation starter, but in reality, getting struck by lightning is really not as bad as it sounds.
Yes, the answer yes would be, it's not so bad.
The answer no would be, it's pretty bad.
How would I think that Jim Caviezel would answer this question?
I would say Jim Caviezel answers that it's pretty bad to get struck by lightning.
Now you move my game piece.
So I gotta be honest, right?
Yes, honest with how you think I would answer the question.
I think that you need to tell me if you think that I think that it is good or bad to be struck by lightning.
I don't even know what that answer means.
Yes, I say yes.
I'm gonna say that it's not that bad to get struck by lightning.
Oh, no.
There we go.
I'm dyslexic, okay?
Our producers are basically illiterate, so don't worry about it.
So, we answered the same.
I don't have any experience being struck by lightning.
Okay.
He does.
Obviously, I do.
Okay.
So, I think that you would think that it hurts pretty bad, and you'd be right.
Yes.
So, I answered that correctly.
You did answer it correctly.
At first, I flipped it around.
It's a lot.
What does it feel like?
You're serious, right?
Are you?
It's hard.
I got lit up like a Christmas tree, pal.
So this was during the filming of The Passion?
Yes, I did.
What were you doing?
Were you on the cross?
No.
This is the last shot of the movie.
I went up the hillside.
There's about 300 people in location.
It was the Sermon on the Mount.
I got to the top.
And on the fifth take, it was really blowing really hard, and it looked like the clouds were so low you could reach up and touch them.
And so that felt like, this is something really wrong here.
And the ground felt like...
It was reverberating or something, and then on the fifth take, about three seconds before I got hit, I looked down and I saw two people, and their eyes were watering, because it felt like... The other thing is, you're in like an eye of a storm.
The wind is blowing, you can't hear it.
And this just like pulls your hair up and came down.
And it was like an implosion of your head and an explosion of your head.
But the first thing I felt was like it's just an implosion.
I shot out my body.
I saw my back and I came back and then Jan Michalini comes over.
I've never said this publicly.
So he comes over and he says, are you okay?
And he's got a, now at this point he had a lightning rod.
He essentially had a umbrella and I saw his hand blow up.
And I went down.
They took me out.
And then in 2000, I was on lots of medication from 2002 till 2009 when I had my first heart surgery by Dr. Pachewal in Stanford.
And then my second major heart surgery was Dr. Griffin and Dr. Gilanoff who saved my life at Cleveland Clinic.
Then that was from?
It was all from that, yeah.
And then they completely cured me, and I've never had any problem since.
But it was, for those, you know, 12 years, tough.
So I had heard the stories, you know, that you were struck by lightning on the set.
But I thought it was just a little zap.
Oh, you know, ouch, that hurts.
I didn't... You're talking years of...
Yeah.
Whoa.
So I'd have, you know, when I'd get up, I was always on, you know, blood thinners, Coumadin, and stuff to keep the heart corrected from, you know.
And 2009, they seemed to fix it, and then it just all got worse in 14.
So, but, you know, I'm still here.
You're still here.
You know, of any kind of spiritual warfare really kicking in, I know both of you gentlemen are quite aware of that phenomenon, final shot of the passion of the Christ would probably be a place where those sorts of things come together in the providential scope.
Yeah.
Wow.
The line in the scripture is when Jesus said, I saw Satan come down like lightning.
And I knew we were going to have a huge hit from that point.
It was like calling an airstrike in on yourself, and I said, well, you know, there's a lot of people that are going to have a coming to Jesus moment, and millions did, and millions more will keep coming.
So it's an annuity of the highest level.
You know, when I die, they'll just keep coming.
And, you know, it is a cross, but when Mel and I do The Resurrection, well, that one is going to be a game-changer like nobody can imagine.
And those two films will be the biggest films in the history of the world.
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So now you You read your question.
There's no way I'm going to have an answer nearly as good as that one, but you read this question and we do it again.
Okay.
What does that say?
He's blind.
I'm his interpreter.
You're good.
Okay.
It's just a coincidence that many elites in Hollywood and big tech are also some of the harshest critics of the Sound of Freedom movie.
Oh, wow.
That's a loaded question for you.
Go for it.
Go.
It's just a coincidence.
It's just a coincidence.
Okay, so I'll answer as I think Jim, and Tim in this case, would answer.
Are you going to answer this one?
You've got to answer.
You've got to move my glass to how you think I would answer.
Does Michael think it's a coincidence?
I'm just thinking about it for a second.
I don't think he thinks it's a coincidence.
Don't give me the answer.
It's cheating.
It's cheating.
I want the judges to note that.
Correct.
I assume I guessed correctly for you as well, Jim?
Yes.
That's correct.
I don't really believe in coincidences.
Neither do I.
Now, usually the rule is you drink when you get a question wrong, but I feel we're going to be getting too many right, so I'm just going to, I'm going to say I don't have to drink, I think I get to drink.
Oh my gosh, that's actual, I thought that was like water.
No, that's a delicious martini.
Can I offer you, you know, listen, it's just here if you want a sip, you gentlemen are being much more responsible for an afternoon.
No, you got the Mormon over here, of course you put the Catholic in here, I'll have a sip.
Wait, this is... Is this Grey Goose?
That is, it's gin.
It's Boodles.
Oh.
Great kind of esoteric gin, but, you know, made to our specification by the producer team.
Okay, so now I go.
Jim's still focused on this.
Well, no, because... We'll put that card over here.
Wait, he has something to say about this.
Yeah, yeah.
Um...
Sound of Freedom was tied up for five years, bro.
Why?
Who owned it?
Well, we had Fox and then Disney bought it.
And I'll tell you, when I did The Count of Monte Cristo, I agreed to do the movie, and then when we came to Ireland, they completely rewrote the script.
And they had no say in doing that, because in my contract said two parts.
One, the director, Kevin Reynolds, that I'm a part of the process, and you can't rewrite my stuff without my say-so.
And they rewrote it.
And the part in the movie that was taken out was, when they rewrote it, was they removed all of God out of the movie.
And so it wasn't God will give me justice by chance.
I love the movie.
Yeah, I love the movie.
I mean, so the Disney executive that was there was, you know, this is, I said, why was that taken out of the movie?
And he says, so, oh, like, are you one of those?
And I said, one of those what?
One of those who rewrite Alexander Dumas, that rewrites Shakespeare?
Because that's exactly what you did.
You gotta put that back in.
I don't know if it was like, when the Count is in the, or Edmund is in the prison, it was like some humanism, you know, find it in yourself, or whatever it was.
New Age nonsense, yeah.
Whatever, but the, You know, as Americans, we're one nation under God.
We believe that.
And many of us would die for it.
I certainly wouldn't.
I gave my career believing that.
I was so profoundly moved by the Ten Commandments by Charlton Heston.
I was so profoundly moved by Jimmy Stewart in It's a Wonderful Life when he's in the bar and he says, you know, God, if you're out there, please help me, because I've been there.
Now here I have an opportunity to express that in this film.
It has to be there.
And then Charlton Heston, of course, and Ben-Hur in 1959.
So the industry has gone way, way, way, way to a point where, and I'll have this conversation with any of them.
Why do you think your films are not producing?
You do not speak for the people any longer.
And Sound of Freedom does.
Sound of Freedom is from your heart.
Sound of Freedom is something that...
Burns inside you and you can't put it out you see and when I came back and I heard those children screaming I my first part was like I got to find a place in this movie where maybe I can take the eye and And and do something to where I take you to the edge I can't show you what's happening to this little girl with this man, but I can take you into my iris and and It takes you to the edge of your seat.
It's Hitchcock.
And then you get to understand what burns in this man's heart every day.
And it's a hard life.
It's a big cross.
But it's a purpose.
And so, when I was a young man and I was going to movies, And I felt like, you know, God are you out there?
When I was at the lowest point in my life that I screamed out at 14, you know, I don't want to live anymore.
That's five times worse now.
And I go and talk to those kids.
Yeah.
And I say, as bad as it seems, I want to tell you my story.
And I tell him.
And I said, how did I take in my own life?
Can you imagine our loving God as a 14-year-old and said, look what I was going to do for you.
Look, you're going to play my son.
So, this is a game of life, but it's a profound, profound game that we're in right now.
And it's all about what we do for him.
Because at the end, it's the only thing that matters.
And you can't take, and your Rolex says, oh, what's going on?
Oh, Jesus died, so Jim Caviezel, his Rolex gets to go to heaven.
This is junk in heaven, not that I'm going to give it to you.
Yeah, it's nice to keep it on for now.
Listen, if the spirit does move you, Jim, and you want to get rid of it, just let me know.
I'm right here, so it's okay.
No, it's, you know, on the question, is it just a coincidence that the powers and the principalities and the spiritual wickedness in high places of this world always wants to push God out of all of it?
And then you refuse to do it, and it's no coincidence.
I mean, we're talking about some of your movies now.
Your movies are all excellent, and they're all excellent, and they all resonate with people in a way that other movies also with big actors and big scripts, and in a way that they don't.
And why is that?
There's something in your movies that are not in the movies offered by the principalities and the powers.
To which point, currently, the CIA does more harm than good.
We got any open windows in the studio right now?
I want to answer this question.
What are you doing?
You're setting us up!
Currently, the CIA does more harm than good.
Now, you're thinking what I'm thinking, right?
That's what that was?
Yeah.
Okay, now I just want to go over this again.
So that's what you think I'd say.
That's what I think.
Now I gotta think what you say.
Do we need to verbally confirm that we are obviously correct in our guesses here, or can we kind of like let this lie?
You know what I think?
I believe that if they think you're afraid, then you're in trouble.
I look at it this way.
Unlike you, I know I'm going to die someday.
Whereas me, I've got at least another two centuries.
How am I going to die?
You say, well, I've seen a lot of old people die in nursing homes in the worst way.
You know why?
They're alone.
Yeah.
Because their families abandoned them.
You know why they abandoned them?
They're afraid of the cross.
They're afraid.
And guess what?
The person that's suffering the most, they don't even see that pain.
They don't care.
They just worry about themselves.
Whenever we get in a position where we're worried about our own skin, we're in trouble.
And Jesus talks about If you're not the people that can kill you, your flesh, it's the second one.
That's the one that you've got to be concerned about the most.
So we're all getting out of this dead.
Right, right.
You're the body and soul going to Gehenna.
That's the bigger... Yeah, that's why you've got to have a nice drink, baby.
Don't we get Christopher Walken on the show today?
This is a big win.
I love this.
At the end of the show, I've got to have a bite of that olive.
Not only drinks, but appetizers too.
You're up.
In The Sound of Freedom, the only part of Jim Caviezel's performance that could have been improved was his lack of muscle tone.
Why do I have to read this right now?
To better reflect the person he was playing.
Many people have said this.
Including Michael Moore backstage just a few minutes ago.
So now I've got to answer how... Is there a human answer here?
I'll put this guy over here.
You got to answer how I... - You're so humble, sir. - Yes, because you...
You know, now listen, not everybody can be 300% muscle like the Discovery, but yes, because you know that every other aspect of the performance was perfect.
How's that?
I took that insult from the producers and turned it into a compliment.
You turned it right around.
And a sincere compliment.
And in all honesty, I talked to him about this.
I said, "Jim, can you do steroid something?" Can you do something?
When I was younger, I was prettier. - At least better.
At least you had a, you know, I was a big one.
Me, I have not.
But you know what?
Basketball.
I was working out with this guy.
And he had huge, you know, beautiful legs and everything.
Big, strong guy.
And he put on the weight on the squat rack.
And I said, that's all you're going to put on for me?
Because that's, I mean, I said, go ahead, rack him up.
And I put this guy right into the ground.
Really?
I don't look as pretty anymore.
But strength is a good, is there.
I'm not trying to go up against you in a gym.
I am not.
I gotta have a sip.
It's okay.
Just to dull the pain.
Okay.
The reason that this gets to the point of the movie.
The reason the exploitation of children is so pervasive, while also actively ignored, is that it's satanic and spiritual in nature.
Yeah, I'll just leave the cup right there.
I'm sorry, what was the statement again?
The reason the exploitation of children is so pervasive, while also actively ignored, is that it is satanic and spiritual in nature.
Yeah, this is way too easy.
Of course.
It's been true since the dawn of time.
Amen.
I think that... I'll drink to that.
You can drink to that.
I'll have a sip after you have a sip.
You're up.
Alright.
Did you say, you know, Jim, you're supposed to be drinking out of your cup?
Yeah, that one's not as... I think you're the first guest ever on the Michael Noah Show that's drinking out of his cup.
I actually kind of like it.
It's a nice... it's a big martini.
We'll get a refill.
Once you get up here, we'll get a refill.
Did you put vodka in the coffee?
Alright.
ChatGPT is basically the beta version of Samaritan from Person of Interest.
I don't know what chat GPT is.
Well, I'll tell you.
Person of interest is the TV show that you started five years ago.
What's chat GPT?
Oh, it's, you know, it's like AI.
Like in China with the... Yeah, you put an idea and they write it for you.
Yeah.
Well, I think I just got the answer then.
Yeah, I think I'm going to defer to the star of Person of Interest on that.
You know, it's interesting.
When we were working on that show, Jonah Nolan came over to me and he said, I want to introduce you to my friend.
And he comes over and I said, And he looked familiar, and I said, hey, this guy is an actor.
I know, I know, I know.
I'm trying to remember what film he's in.
And so I said, I'm so nice to meet you.
I know you've done some great films and everything.
I'm so sorry, I just can't place you.
Is it a TV show or something that I've seen yet?
He goes, my name is Elon Musk.
Elon was embarrassed for me.
But what show were you on, Elon?
He was on 60 Minutes the night before.
By the way, did you see?
This is important, I'm glad you brought this up.
Elon Musk tweeted about Sound of Freedom.
Did he?
A week ago.
Amazing.
And he said he's going to provide, Twitter's going to be a free platform for Sound of Freedom.
I think mid-July he's going to open it up for free and distribute it worldwide.
I was, whatever reticence or skepticism I'd had early on of Elon, Elon gets it.
Elon gets it.
You know, he... All the other big tech guys shutting everything down, but Elon gets it.
Alright, I'm up.
The Great Pyramid of Giza was built by primitive Egyptians who used wet sand to move 2.3 million perfectly cut blocks averaging 2.3 tons each from quarries up to 500 miles away in a span of about 20 years.
In other words, the official scientific story of the Great Pyramid of Giza is the whole story.
Well, I thought that was part... Okay.
So, isn't there a mystery about the Eight Wonders of the World?
Yeah, I think so.
Which means... Now I got you.
See, now, this is the thing.
Jim kind of tips his hand, you know, a little bit on that.
But, yeah, I think there's a little bit more to the story than just... My brain works like... It puts a square peg into a circular hole.
I figure out the... But the SAT, not very good.
It's not gonna work.
All right, you're up.
All right.
I don't have my glasses here.
All right.
In general, it's more difficult to be a practicing Christian in Hollywood than it is to make it in Hollywood.
To be a practicing Christian... Well, okay.
There's some ambiguity.
I'll just answer how I interpret the question and then get my thoughts.
Yes, yes, because I'm not just interpreting that as you make it in Hollywood and then you're a practicing Christian.
I mean just to be a Christian living in Hollywood at any level, anywhere on the totem pole or in the industry, it is such a seductive place and there is so much titillation everywhere.
I mean we call it Gomorrah by the sea, that it is To keep your faith in that, at any level, can be very difficult.
So I'm going to quote Mel Gibson on this.
Jim, from his experience, he says it's a lot easier not to eat from the apple tree if you're not standing in front of it.
You've got to keep moving.
And faith is, it's that way, but you've got to, every morning I got up, At 5.30 when I was trying to make it.
And I was in Mass at 6.30 in the morning.
That's part of the, you have to have, you have to work on the spirit.
The spirit is gonna move the mental and the physical.
Most actors just do the mental and physical.
And then the other ones, if they have a spiritual thing, it allows them to do whatever they want.
Right.
So ours has got 10 commandments.
There's rules.
And they're there to protect you.
Do unto others as you want them to do unto you.
So my mindset is always, how would that feel if someone did that to you?
And at the end of the day, if you're not going to be happy after you commit that sin, it is sin, and you have to define it because you don't have rules.
You're not going to be...
It's success you'll never enjoy because you have to have...
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is gratitude and appreciation, right?
Jesus talks about the salt, what it's worth.
As soon as you lose the Holy Spirit, you will not be grateful.
And you will not be appreciative.
Someone could give you a Ferrari, three days, you'll be like, yeah, you know, and there's more junk I gotta take care of, you know.
There was a Hollywood actor, just wrote a memoir, this is a guy who, won't say his name, not to detract, but he, it's all public anyway, I guess.
Big sitcom star, had everything this guy ever wanted.
He got every hot girl, every dollar he ever wanted, every bit of fame he ever wanted, and the whole time he was miserable.
Because of that.
Because there was no, sense of what it was for.
So it's just, you know, as Bernard Shaw said, hell is a place where you have nothing to do but amuse yourself.
You know, along the way in this business you're going to have war injuries.
When you're younger you get up, you train, you have a great physical, it's easy to stay in shape in those days and then eventually In the Passion, or in G.I.
Jane, I severed my left pec.
So then I lost my shoulder, and I had to put the shoulder back in, and it ripped out again, and then lower back tore, you know, popped a disc.
So as the time goes on in the business, though, how you, your physique and everything changes.
It starts to, it wasn't the way you used to have it, and the bicep is ripped, The ankle's got a plate in it, I've got steel in my leg and all that, but I keep fighting back.
My scars, I've earned them.
And so the body, it doesn't matter.
At some point, you'll have nothing if what's inside here is corrupt, even if your body's perfect.
This is all that matters.
And then from this, I just have to work through all of the things.
It's humility.
Mother Teresa, what'd she say?
To become humble, you have to experience humiliation.
We don't usually look forward to it, but it can be very helpful.
But it's a weapon against the devil, though.
I'm not the best I was, but I'm still pretty good.
And someday you'll get a new body anyway.
You get a glorified body anyway.
Yeah, amen.
Okay, so here we go.
Last question for you, and then we go to Tim.
Sure.
In America today, the difference between most conspiracy theories and facts is about six to nine months.
I'm leaving your cup there.
I'm leaving your cup there for the whole game.
Difference between a conspiracy theory and a fact, six to nine months.
If my answer were no, it's only because I'd say it's three to six months.
I think it's, yeah.
Let me tell you what I think.
Okay, I think it used to be that.
It's way less now.
It's a month now.
I refresh my Twitter feed.
It's there.
You're right, okay.
I got a drink for that then.
Technically, I got it wrong.
Alright, last question for me.
Unfortunately, the next cause that will be pushed by progressives will likely be for minor-attracted persons' rights.
Next cause, we'll put this one over here.
The next cause... You know, I never want to be hyperbolic about it, but I'm going to put that on a... Well, what is Jim going to say?
I'm going to say yes.
And then I think yours is... This is another trick?
I'm going to have to move this one to the yes.
Because, look, I don't want to be hyperbolic about it, I don't want to, you know, jump straight to these guys are going to normalize pedophilia.
It is already happening.
It's already happening.
That's my answer.
I thought it said it's going to happen.
The answer is it's already happening.
It's not the next one, it's the current one.
It's already happening.
Okay, you know what?
If you live in California right now, it's already happening.
It's already happening.
It's already happening.
I gotta drink then.
I get to drink.
Let me give you some mercy.
Thank you, I appreciate the moral and liquid support.
Jim, I think you may have beaten me on that, but now we swap you out for Tim.
Alright, Tim.
Here we go.
Alright, let me get my Mormon Coke over here.
I'm gonna have to keep passing my martini to Jim across the side.
Dealing with the powers of Hollywood is similar to dealing with cartels in other countries.
Yes.
It is, huh?
Absolutely.
I only have experience with one of those things.
So, I do with both, because... You have both.
Yeah, so after we did the big operation that's depicted in Sound of Freedom, it's October 11, 2014, the largest rescue operation probably recorded in history.
It's depicted in the film, in Columbia.
And CBS News played it, Scott Pelley did a story on it, and Hollywood started reaching out to me.
Unexpectedly.
Like, hey, this sounds like a movie.
And my wife and I are looking at each other like, what is going on?
Because we're in business because of these guys.
Yeah.
I mean, these guys are creating the content that creates the sex addiction, that creates the demand, which is why this is even happening.
You've got to want to have sex with kids or even adults who were once abused as children.
You have to want that first.
There has to be a demand for that.
And some fuel for that fire, which is coming out of Absolutely.
This is why it exists.
This is why 85,000 children unaccompanied showed up in the last two years and were let into the country into the biggest child sex market in the world.
People don't realize in the United States, we're the number one consumers of child sex material.
We're in the top three for destination countries.
So I call it the economy of pedophilia.
So these 85,000 kids, where are they?
They're being, I'm telling you, a lot of them are being abused.
And so it was hard for me when Hollywood was screeching out, because I'm like, the irony of it.
That's why when they came to me, these producers seemed different, I said, he has to play me.
He's the only person in Hollywood I will let play me, because he loves Jesus, and that we can fight the spiritual warfare and still tell a story.
So that's why, yeah, absolutely right.
My business is the only business where you, we were just talking about this the other day, if you're a pedophile and you fail, you're going to go up.
Failing upward.
And the other thing I want to say, Michael, I was with Speaker McCarthy last week, we both were, and several others, and they were saying, what can we do about this border thing, all these kids?
And I said, you've got to attach it to the whole movement.
Like, you can't just isolate it to one thing, this whole minor attractive persons thing, the whole sexualizing of children, giving them pornography in the name of sex education.
- That's five years old. - Giving them 13 year olds consent to gender mutilate is also giving them consent to have sex with 50 year olds.
You can't take it away.
You gotta combine it all and understand that there's spiritual warfare and children for the first time in the history of America are at the crosshairs.
Now you can make an argument. - Right, 'cause it's the same premise.
If you're saying a child can consent to a permanent sexual change based on a sexual desire, how can you then argue that a much older minor can't consent to a one-night stand?
It's not possible.
You can't.
You've eliminated God, science, the very virtues that built this nation.
You've eliminated it all.
So mom and dad, you're getting social media hits and you're getting awards, but when your kid comes to you and says, I want to have sex with a 50-year-old pedophile, you've lost your arguments.
You've sold them away.
For popularity, and this is the end of our republic.
I have a question for you.
Someone asked me to ask you this.
Is this the right time to do this?
It's the same part of it.
Does pornography lead to more pedophiles?
Absolutely it does.
Oh, I don't believe you.
What do you know?
I'm a fact-checker.
I'll tell you why it does.
I got my doctorate degree at fact-checking school.
This is the reason, because pornography has the same chemical reaction to the brain as drugs.
So you do marijuana so much, the chemical, the dopamine endorphin hit wears down like anything else.
So then you have to go to crack cocaine.
Well, in the porn industry, you're going to adult legal porn, the same thing happens.
They want the dopamine.
It's wearing out.
They got to go to something more crazy, exotic, taboo.
And that's when they get into kids.
That's why there's two million children currently in the commercial sex trade because of the porn industry and Hollywood is fueling it.
This is more than just trafficking.
We have to do other things in order to get rid of this.
We've got to attack the demand, which is educating the youth on the dangers of pornography.
You're up.
- All right.
Jim Caviezel looks better as a blonde. - Hmm.
Okay, well, you answer for me.
Oh!
You got that wrong, Tim.
I think the naturally darker features, I think, are... Well, maybe that was a little arrogant of me, but I guess... I'll say this.
When I told the producers that I wanted Jim to play me, They said no.
They said, yeah, there's no better actor.
But at the end of the film, there's a little cool thing where they take real footage from the actual... We filmed the real operation.
So there's this cool transitional kind of cool, like, into the real footage, and they said... I should say, I realize I haven't quite said this yet.
The movie is excellent.
I mean, the movie is just... The acting is superb, of course.
Don't tell us.
Tell them.
Yeah, the movie is, it's just, it's superb and it's just shot beautifully and you're handling a very difficult subject with such delicacy in a way that is so, you just, you know, you can't look away.
I mean, you're just watching these scenes and it's just, it's a phenomenal, a lot of times, I hate to tell on conservative media, a lot of times we hawk movies that aren't that good and because, you know, we like the cause and we like the mission.
This movie is just superb in every way.
Yeah, the storytellers here, Alejandro Monteverde, Jim, and the others.
But that was their one hang-up, is when we do the transition into the real footage.
Your hair changes.
I mean, this is Todd looking handsome, this is short and stocky and gringo-ish, whatever.
And they couldn't reconcile it.
And I said, I don't care because he loves Jesus.
I can't have someone who doesn't.
So that's why I probably went to hoping it was a yes, just because I think they did a decent job.
They did, of course.
I mean, we look nothing like each other, but in the film, it's okay.
I'll tell you, until it occurred to me in this question, it didn't even occur to me.
The hair color thing or like any, it didn't even, I don't know, maybe it's just because the character, well, which is your life, the character is so engrossing, it doesn't even strike you that people look different.
He has a childlike quality that is like David when Goliath was insulting his God, and it didn't matter if he lived.
It's just that you can't insult my God like that.
And I feel the same way.
And so when Jesus came, I wanted to show the world that I loved him.
And I wanted the world to know that we've got to start telling God we love him.
Can I add something to that?
So this is a really cool story.
My favorite story behind the scenes of Sound of Freedom, and I don't even know if you know this, but there's one scripture that I go to.
If I'm going into the dark, I'm scared.
People, you watch the film, you think I'm brave.
I'm not.
I'm as scared as anybody, but I'm scared before and I'm freaking out.
I can't watch the movie, but I'm not scared during it.
I'm not scared while I'm there.
It's like there's a calm, and the reason, and there's one scripture I just repeat over and over in my head when I'm going into dark places, and it's the one time in the scripture where Jesus gets mafioso in his wording.
And it's Jesus, so it's okay.
It's not flipping tables at the temple, though.
He says something that I think we just kind of go, we kind of blush by it and I'll think about it.
Think about what he says.
He says it's better that a millstone be wrapped around your neck and you throw it to the bottom of the sea.
That's like cement shoes kind of stuff, right?
Than that you should hurt one of these children.
So you actually say that?
Because that's in the movie.
You say it when you're talking.
But he ad-libbed it.
Really?
So, that was not in the script.
And I didn't tell him that that's my go-to.
So that's my favorite scene, that coffee shop.
Yeah, yeah.
And that's a real scene.
Coffee shop, that book.
I have the real book.
And Jim pulls that line out of his ear.
But he pulls that line out, and it's really complex and creative how he does it.
Yeah, yeah.
Because even the pedophile, even the actor who plays him, he's like, what are you doing?
What does that mean?
And I'm just like, oh my gosh, I'm sobbing and listening to him do this.
He has no idea.
That's why I do everything I do, because I can go into dark places, because Jesus made it clear where he stands.
He is so passionate about children not being abused that he's telling you a warning that sounds like the mafia.
I love it.
Jesus did that many a times.
And obviously the big grand ballroom was the temple when he threw them out for what they did to his father, you know, and that he makes us known to us that it's okay to defend our God.
And you see what's happening in the culture of grooming our children.
That is not going to happen anymore.
And don't worry about your career.
Don't worry about your life.
It's the second one.
The second one to Gehenna.
And people, you know, you have years ago, you had all truth, no grace.
So you can go straight, you know, screw up, you go straight to hell, fire and brimstone.
But then, in my time growing up, it was all grace and no truth.
Sleep with Susie on Friday, Catherine on Saturday, go to church on Sunday, and the blood washes all, everybody gets in.
Sentimental bullshit.
You have to have both truth and grace.
So the devil, he goes, you want this?
I can make it, you want this?
No, it's both.
So you got to take, we have to take him who he is.
And I just felt like what an extraordinary thing of events of us.
Coming together, and them trying to keep this film from seeing light of day, but boy, they're in trouble now, you know, because this thing is going to be a daisy cutter.
What sold the movie, you can still get your tickets right now, today, Saturday, you can still get your tickets for the movie.
That's correct, but we're dying for theaters.
We're selling out.
The movie's already sold like a bazillion tickets, right?
Yeah, but we are struggling with theaters because the studios control those.
They're the big bosses.
They're the big dons here.
But what happened on The Passion, same kind of thing.
But the people were calling day and night, and the distributors, a lot of them are Christian.
And they're like, look, it's business.
And if your film is not good enough, it's fair game.
We're going up against Disney.
Indiana Jones.
That's right.
Who used to own the film.
So there's some Cool dynamics going on right here.
And then right after us, we're in the midweek, and then we go right into Tom Cruise's movie.
But we're outselling Indiana Jones by 25% in the theaters where we're competing.
Wow.
That's why Angel Studios is going to this theater and saying, guys, if you all do it together, they can't hurt you.
Bump some Indiana Jones.
Give us some more screens, because we're selling out.
And the problem is that you're going to go, oh, you know, I'll wait until the day.
Well, you'll go there on the day, and you'll want to see the film.
It's sold out.
Sold out.
So you give your money to Disney.
So you give your money to the industry.
They know you.
They have you.
And I like, you know, when they say, well, it's just business.
I think that's what the invited guests to the wedding feast said.
Oh, I've got business.
I've got business.
I can't go.
Well, you're going to regret that decision.
Gentlemen, I could stay here truly all day, and especially because we have extra gin.
But we've got to get you out of here.
You're on a very tight schedule.
You're on a whirlwind tour.
And so we're going to close it on this question.
All right.
Better be a good one.
It's a good question, actually.
Reset the glasses.
Epstein killed himself.
DOJ watchdog just came out.
They assured us Epstein committed suicide.
It's just an accident.
They just did.
And the cameras went off and oops.
And Maxwell got convicted without any of the end users being identified, which is impossible.
There's no transaction unless there's a receiver of the transaction.
Oh, that's an interesting fact.
You're right.
If in order for her to be convicted for something, there must have been... You have to show transaction.
Two parties.
But one party disappeared.
Never revealed.
And then his association with the intelligence apparatus of the country?
That's been confirmed?
You mean how the Labor Secretary nominee actually said, who was a U.S.
attorney at the time prosecuting Epstein, said that he learned that he had to lay off Epstein because he belonged to intelligence?
Exactly.
What a strange coincidence.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
It's a crazy game.
But I have one thing to say.
Mark Halbill.
I gotta have some more cowbell, babe.
After this movie comes out, we'll all be wearing gold diapers.
That's magical.
I gotta tell you, everybody does a Christopher Walken.
That's a shockingly good Christopher Walken.
That is a spot on.
Of course.
Give you the best, babe.
Enjoy your meal.
I gotta say one thing, though.
One thing.
When we screened this in Las Vegas, 1,500 people, five screenings, and during one section of Sound of Freedom, they were all talking.
And I thought, that's unusual.
But not just once.
Same place, same time, five different times.
And I was in a blind spot.
After the end of the five screenings, got up, talked to all of them, and I said, why were you guys talking during this one particular part, Sound of Freedom, that you gotta see?
And they all screamed out, Epstein Island!
Right.
And it just dawned on me.
I had that call watching the movie.
And you realize that it ain't the only sex island out there, so.
I had that, so I'm watching the screener, and there's a scene, not spoiler alert, there's a scene that takes place on an island, and it was the first thought I had was, oh yeah, it's a little St.
James.
Or just one of perhaps the many little St.
James out there, a lot of really important stories that you are living, that you are telling, the movie, guys, is just simply excellent.
And it would be enough that it's important, it would be enough that it's reflecting this unbelievable work, But it's just excellent, and people need to get their tickets, if they still can.
They're still on sale.
We'll see if it's sold out.
So head on over.
Where can they get the tickets?
They're pushing it.
I mean, they're pushing how big they want to make this.
Angel.com.
Angel.com forward slash Jim.
They didn't do Tim.
They did Jim.
That's fine.
Look, it's fine.
It's fine.
One letter off.
One letter off.
All right, Jim, thank you.
Wait, wait.
Before we leave, can I do one more?
No!
One question.
Absolutely not.
I got a question I got to ask you.
Okay, all right.
Let's go.
I've been kind of watching.
I spent most of the time over here watching, just observing this game.
And I have one question.
Is this the first time that one of your guests swapped saliva with you by partaking of the same cup, even though he was supposed to partake of his own cup?
It's alcohol.
No, no, I just have to know the answer to this, because this...
It kills the germs.
Has anybody else done that?
That has never once happened on this show.
This is the first time.
He who drinks from the cup I drink, babe.
Let me tell ya.
I actually had the thought, but I feel like I've got permission if Jim says it.
The Holy Grail.
It's now the Holy Grail.
Chin-chin.
Chin-chin.
I actually, you know, this is a true... Then I'll let you go, but this was a story that I mentioned to Jim a little bit earlier.
A priest friend of mine, very close priest friend of mine, Jim was once staying at his rectory in New York, and the Pope was in town.
This is like William F. Buckley version of a Catholic priest.
Yes, he's a wonderful, wonderful man, but he said, I'm obligated to go see the Pope right now, but I'm really upset by this fact, and I think it's ridiculous, because I have Jesus Christ himself in my rectory, and I thought that was a...
A great observation, and an honor, Jim, that you and I could share this martini, and Tim, that you and I could share this game.
Thank you, gentlemen both.
Thank you for the great movie, and I look forward to seeing it in theaters, if I can get a ticket.
We'll get you one.
Thanks, Mike.
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