Ep. 1137 - Kanye Headlines The Craziest Broadcast In History
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I was there, I don't know, I was sort of scrolling through and oh yes, I saw the Alex Jones interview heard round the world.
I had a lot of work that I was supposed to do yesterday, could not do any of it because I, like so many people, was glued to my screen and I didn't even at first know where to find this Alex Jones show.
I just was blowing up all over social media.
Kanye West is on Alex Jones saying all sorts of crazy things.
And so I found the link, I think, on Rumble or something.
Kanye in his own words.
I see good things about Hitler also.
I love everyone, and Jewish people are not going to tell me, you can love us, and you can love what we're doing to you with the contracts, and you can love what we're pushing with the pornography, but this guy that...
Invented highways, invented the very microphone that I use as a musician.
You can't say out loud that this person ever did anything good, and I'm done with that.
I'm done with the classifications.
Every human being has something of value that they brought to the table.
Especially Hitler.
How about that one?
Ari Emanuel, how you like that one?
Hey Ron, you gonna do anything to fix Chicago?
Even like our truth, the fact that African Americans were in America before the pilgrims, that truth is hidden.
That we are actually the Native Americans, or some of us are Native.
So a couple of fact checks here.
Black people were not in America before the pilgrims, and they are not the Native Americans, the real Native Americans.
And also, you do not, in fact, have to hand it to Hitler.
You never actually have to hand it to Hitler.
And this, for those who are just listening right now and can't see it, Kanye is wearing this full kind of gimp suit, head mask thing, so you can't see his face.
Throughout the interview, Alex Jones keeps saying, is this really even Kanye that I'm talking to?
It's an amazing thing to watch Alex Jones be made uncomfortable in an interview because he comes out and he says, well, listen, people are calling you a Nazi, but you're not a Nazi.
And Kanye says, well, you know, so it, that was very, very jarring.
It's why everyone tuned in in the first place.
But then, Kanye complicates his declaration of love for the Nazis by declaring love for all sorts of other people.
I love the Zionists.
I love the people that blocked my bank account because God runs the world and uses everyone.
I do love Hitler.
I do love the Zionists.
I love everyone.
I love Jewish people.
I love Jewish people.
Jesus is king, and I love everyone.
This is love speech, Ari.
This is love speech in Jesus' name, the real king of Israel, Jesus Christ.
This is love speech.
I love Jewish people.
I love supermodels.
I love everyone accordingly.
All the way from the Balenciagas to the Hitlers.
Let me tell you a story.
Hold on, sir.
To Ari Emanuel, to Jamie Dimon, to the people who...
I love all of those.
You love Mao Zedong?
Absolutely.
Well, clarify that.
You're saying you're like Christ-like.
You love everybody.
You love Jim Jones.
You love Jeffrey Dahmer.
Absolutely.
Okay, well, let's clarify.
So, you would assume that when someone says, I love Hitler and I love the Nazis, that would be followed by, and I hate the Jews.
But Kanye follows it here by, I love the Jews, I love the Zionists, I love supermodels, I love Mao Zedong, I love Ari Emanuel, I love Stalin, I love Lamp.
I don't know.
I love all of these things.
But then he goes on and does seem to have a special sort of ire for the Jews, and this is what led into another episode of this three-hour-long interview that went viral as well, when Kanye pulled out an aquarium net and a bottle of Yoo-Hoo to do a sort of carrot-top prop comedy routine about The Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
What we did is we brought Netanyahu with us.
I'm in the twilight zone right now.
Netanyahu, what do you have to say?
What do you have to say to Alex Jones right now, Nick Fuentes and Yeh?
It was bad.
It was bad for Trump to meet with Nick and Yate.
Okay.
I had no idea your voice was going to sound like that, Netanyahu.
So you don't like Benjamin Netanyahu?
You get it?
It's a net and yoo-hoo.
And he's sitting there with Nick Fuentes, who is working on his campaign and who was at that Trump dinner and caused all the big stir.
And then...
Then, however, the interview took another turn, and specifically on the whole Net and Yoohoo bit, he takes it in this very personal direction.
If I say something that's provocative towards the Mossad, is that misogynistic?
Hold on, let's hear from Net.
Hey, I'm the head of the Mossad.
I'm gonna kill you and take your children away from you.
Thanks a lot, Netton.
Back to you, Alex.
Please turn your microphone around, sir.
Man, I'm definitely overwhelmed here right now.
Infowars.com, tomorrow's news today.
Listen, all I'm trying to get through here is, I believe every group should be able to...
I switched his name to Netting.
I dropped the Yahoo so we didn't have to...
I was tired of picking up the Yahoo and the Netting.
So, for now, he's just Netting.
I know some people call him Bebe.
I know some of you call him Yahoo, but we're going to call him...
Nothing!
What you want, nothing?
Hey, yay, right after this, I'm going to say you're crazy.
I'm going to take your family away from you.
We're not done with you yet.
You cannot cause free thought.
We have to control the history books.
We have to control the banks.
And we have to go and kill people.
Also, we're in the pedophilia.
So, at this point in the interview, if you're still watching, you're starting to think, okay...
Something's gone even more off the rails here than at other times in Ye's public career.
And then he takes it All the way personal.
So it starts out with Hitler and the Jews.
Then it goes, I love everybody.
I love LAMP. I love the Jews.
It's not just that I love Hitler.
I love the Jews.
But really, I don't like Benjamin Netanyahu and Israel.
But really, this is all about this personal stuff.
My family, my kids, my life.
And then he kind of ditches the B.B. Netanyahu thing and just gets right into his personal family problems.
My security is the fact that I didn't load up pornography last night and I said this addiction is gonna have to flee from me.
You know, this addiction since I was five years old that has destroyed my mom and my dad's family, that destroyed my family.
Like, when I take full accountability for the destruction, like, of my marriage.
I'll point at the liberals and say, you took my wife from me.
You know what took my wife from me?
The fact that I was married to this beautiful person, but I felt like it wasn't enough.
I felt like I still needed to look at pornography.
In some way, I'd say to her, well, stop making these images.
Stop breaking the internet.
You know, that original term comes from my ex-wife actually having a nude photo that I didn't know about that someone Use her and put her on a magazine.
But there's somewhere where she's like, well, if my husband is looking at this, I still want to be like the girls that are doing this.
And this becomes people reliving the traumas, pushing the addiction.
So, this was the most amazing part of the interview, and nobody's talking about it.
Because he says, look, I blame the liberals for breaking up my family, but it wasn't the liberals, it was me.
But Kanye doesn't blame the liberals.
He blames the Jews in other places, or the Zionists, or the whoever, for breaking up his family.
Or Benjamin Netanyahu's going to come and take his family.
But then, in this moment, probably the most lucid moment of the interview, he says, but it wasn't them.
The liberals or elsewhere he said it's the Jews.
It was me.
It was me.
Because I looked at pornography and I did it.
And so I lost my family.
There are three defining struggles in Kanye West's public career that we've seen.
The first one is mental disorder, meaning his mind just gets disordered.
And he's talking about how black people were here before the Native Americans or something, right?
Among all the other things he said, he just said things that are just so manifestly incoherent and obviously not true.
Then there's performance art.
Kanye West has always been this wild performance artist.
George Bush doesn't like black people.
Taylor Swift, I'm going to take your award from you, and I'll let you finish, but Beyonce had the better album.
You've got to give this album to Beyonce.
Then he goes a step further.
He says, slavery was a choice, right?
One of the most shocking and offensive things you can possibly say.
Then he took it up another level.
When he put the MAGA hat on, wearing that MAGA hat, which this was after the media had called Trump the devil for however long.
He says, that's the most offensive, provocative thing I can possibly do.
You tell me I can't do it, that's what I'm going to do.
And then he took it to its absolute perfect extreme by saying, I like Hitler.
I like Hitler is the most shocking and offensive thing you can possibly say in our culture.
Hitler is synonymous with the devil in our language.
That...
It's why he didn't get the same reaction when he says, I love Mao, I love Stalin.
People can get away with saying, I love Mao, I love Stalin.
Well, you can hand it to them, you can wear a Che Guevara shirt, whatever.
In our language, Hitler is synonymous with the devil.
In fact, worse than the devil, because Hitler was incarnate.
The devil's just a spirit.
Hitler was incarnate.
And so you see, even taking aside, maybe Kanye hates the Jews, maybe Kanye's a Nazi, whatever, you just see that as the extreme manifestation of that kind of performance art.
And then the third one, which no one's talking about, is this guy just lost his whole family.
And if you've ever known someone who's gone through a divorce, they go kind of crazy most of the time, and especially if they've already got these sort of underlying narratives.
Mental issues and these underlying artistic issues where you are naturally drawn to these extremes.
When something like that happens, people can just break.
And so it's why I'm not going to make fun of Kanye West.
It's why I'm not even going to really engage too seriously in any of the claims he's making, whether it's about Hitler or the black Native Americans or Bibi Netanyahu.
I mean, when he was laughing manically with the yoo-hoo in one hand and the net in another...
I just think it's a really cheap shot to make fun of somebody or to castigate somebody too seriously.
And he was just kicked off of Twitter because he posted a star of David with a swastika in the middle.
And people are assuming this is just another declaration of his love for the Nazis.
It's actually not.
That's a symbol of what's called the railism movement.
The Raylian movement was this movement from the 1970s, founded by a guy named Claude Vorhillon.
So the symbol is this little pendant that they would wear of the Star of David with the swastika in the middle.
But it's this idea, it's this kind of crazy cult that believes that there are all these aliens and that you get abducted by aliens and that the word...
Elohim, you know, the word for God is a plural term, which means those who came from the sky, and they would wear these sort of extraterrestrial symbols.
So anyway, it's just obviously all the symbol of disorder, and what should one do?
One should pray for Kanye, probably not, you know, probably not take this stuff all that seriously.
I don't think he should be going on, like, TV to be pontificating on these views.
He...
He's always had those three problems, even the personal issues in his life, because he's cycled through so many advisors constantly.
I personally am friends with three of Kanye's advisors going back ten years, and I don't know Kanye West.
I've never met Kanye West.
And so you think, there are all these personal relationships.
He lashed out in that interview against Dave Chappelle for doing a comedy bit about him.
Dave Chappelle was defending Kanye in the comedy bit.
It's just...
If any one of these issues were going off at a particular time, it would be dangerous.
But you've got the mental disorder, and you've got the performance art, and you've got the personal life all kind of crashing around.
And so I say, probably you should pray for the guy.
That's what I would do.
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Didn't the Kardashians and Kanye had a deal with Balenciaga?
And Kanye, actually, I think that mask he was wearing on the Alex Jones show was from Balenciaga, oddly enough, even though we've been talking about this a few times now over the past couple of weeks.
There's this weird Balenciaga scandal where they posted ads that were evocative of child pornography and S&M and Satanism and all this kind of weird stuff.
So it gets even weirder.
One of my associate producers called my attention to this.
There's another Balenciaga child photo ad where it's a kid wearing a Balenciaga kind of suit in what's obviously a little kid's room.
But then in the back, there's a little doll of a devil.
There's that little weird S&M doll in the front.
The shoes kind of look like two little red devils looking out at you.
But then this part is really, really strange.
There is caution tape.
But instead of saying caution, it says Balenciaga.
But instead of saying Balenciaga, B-A-L-E-N-C-I-A-G, it says B-A-L-E-N. That is Baal.
That is one of the most prominent demons ever worshipped going back to antiquity.
That's not just an accident.
Someone had that tape made up, or someone at least went on the computer and made it look that way, but probably it's a practical prop.
This on top of the fact that when you type Balenciaga, Latin to English, into Google Translate, it translates that to do what you want, which is the first commandment of the Satanists.
Again, very strange because those words don't mean anything in Latin.
And it just comes up as gibberish until you add that final aga, and then it says do what you want.
And then when you type in Balenciaga into Google Translate, B-A-A-L, It all of a sudden capitalizes the B and says, Baal is the king.
And now you're seeing Baal referenced directly.
Because one thing that people have said is, well, Michael, Balenciaga is just a guy's last name.
You say, well, yeah, sure.
So then why are we getting all these strange renderings when you type it in specifically into Google Translate?
Yeah, it's just a guy's last name.
I'm not saying the company was founded as an homage to Baal or something like that.
But why are you getting all this satanic imagery?
And then why is the tape spelled B-A-A-L? Why is Baal right there?
Obviously, there's something going on.
I don't know.
I don't have an answer for that.
But as we've said from the beginning here, One strange occurrence, maybe that's a fluke.
Two strange occurrences, maybe that's a coincidence.
Three, four, five, six.
That's a pattern that you cannot deny.
And then the fact that there is this Kardashian-Kanye very close relationship to Balenciaga while this whole thing is blowing up is also completely bizarre.
That alone is completely bizarre.
Kim Kardashian is the face of Balenciaga.
Kanye West continues to wear Balenciaga clothing.
What is it?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm just pointing out really strange coincidences.
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You know, products that we sell at the Daily Wire.
Products that, you know, our wonderful advertisers have.
But then there are some products that I don't know.
I don't know that I can quite get behind.
Tampax.
Well, I've never...
I haven't used Tampax myself.
You know, I can't say that I was a regular customer.
But Tampax...
Has a very strange advertising campaign.
They launched this a couple of weeks ago.
Meant to get to it.
Fits in right now in the Christmas shopping season.
Tampax tweeted out, You're in their DMs.
We're in them.
We are not the same.
Ugh.
What?
Did I read that correctly?
So obviously it's like a sex joke, you know, about...
About women and about what women use Tampax for.
My first reaction was, why are tampons tweeting?
Why do tampons have to tweet?
Because all brands have to tweet now.
And all brands market themselves on this kind of edginess.
Right?
You have to tweet to sell the product, and the way to get attention on social media, as I think we've all seen in the last 24 hours, is to consistently go and say the edgiest things that you possibly can.
And this is not a great long-term strategy.
The entire culture is incentivizing us to do that ever more and more.
But as a long-term strategy, it's not really smart.
I talked about this on the Matt Fradd show the other day.
Matt Fradd said, Michael, you're a Catholic, but you're also a conservative talking head.
And so, does your Catholic obligation to be charitable and not to constantly go out and detract from everybody, does that conflict with your role as a professional owner of the libs?
And I thought, you know, maybe sometimes, I hope it doesn't, but I'm sure we all misstep sometimes.
But I generally try not to.
Because if you...
If you stake your career or your brand or your professional life on just constantly being more and more offensive, more and more shocking, more and more edgy, not only are you probably going to flame out, as happens to basically everyone who attempts this strategy, but it's also going to lead you into saying things that you probably don't really believe, that you...
Probably don't really think are totally true.
You'll just be incentivized to do that for shock value.
Which is not a good way to live, and it will end up depriving you of your integrity.
In the name of breaking through these strictures and this censorship, you're going to end up saying things that you don't think are true in the first place.
Speaking of weird sex stuff, headline...
Weird sex stuff and dishonesty.
Headline out of the BBC. Trans woman jailed for sex with 14-year-old girl.
What does that headline actually mean?
I'm going to translate that headline from woke, politically correct dishonesty into English.
Man jailed for raping child.
That's what that really means.
But trans woman...
Jailed for sex with a 14-year-old girl.
What do we call it when 25-year-olds have sex with 14-year-olds?
Do we just call that sex?
No, we usually call that rape.
That would be statutory rape everywhere in the United States or Britain or anywhere in the civilized world.
And then what do we call a trans woman in reality?
We call that a man.
But it shows you the power of language, which is a real hobby horse of mine, but you've got to constantly come back to it because...
You think because you are conscious and you read the news and you know what's up and you get all of your information from different sources, you don't only believe CNN, you think that you can catch the deception.
But you can't.
None of us can all the time because so much of the leftist deception is built into the very language that we use.
When you use the phrase trans woman, or if you refer to a guy who thinks he's a woman as she, or even if you refer to a guy who thinks that he's a woman with a woman's name, you are, consciously or unconsciously, accepting the premises.
A woman has a right to go into the woman's bathroom.
She has a right to go into the woman's bathroom.
Caitlin has the right to go into the woman's bathroom.
When you accept terms like gay marriage, which even people who oppose gay marriage often will use the term gay marriage, you're accepting the premise that gay marriage is just a type of marriage.
You know, you can have American marriage, or an Indian marriage, or a gay marriage, but it's not.
The whole point of the debate is that gay marriage is a contradiction in terms, and it's completely different.
Intrinsically, it cannot be the same thing as marriage.
We do this constantly.
The undocumented workers, undocumented Americans.
Undocumented Americans are just a type of American, except they're not.
They're foreign nationals.
They're not Americans.
Justice-involved youth.
That's one of my favorite academic euphemisms for For criminal children.
You know, criminal minors.
Or justice-involved person is used to refer to adults.
Whatever justice-involved persons are, they are not involved with justice.
They're criminals.
They're involved with injustice, actually.
It's a total deception.
So you've got to be aware of, even if you're reading this and you say, wait, something's clearly gone wrong here.
You've got to translate it in your head and say it in your head in order to really appreciate this.
Trans woman jailed for sex with a 14-year-old girl.
No, no, no.
Grown man rapes child.
That's what it is.
It'll give even you a different and more accurate picture.
Speaking of deception, by the way, huge news story.
The liver king has been exposed as a fraud.
Do you know who the liver king is?
I didn't either.
Brett Cooper actually turned me on to him.
He's some social media phenomenon where he's a super jacked guy who never has a shirt on, and he's always just eating organs of giant animals.
He'll sit there.
I saw one video, he said, why would you chew gum when you could eat lung?
And he pulls off part of a cow lung and starts chewing on it.
The whole idea was, I don't really do anything special.
I just eat all these totally primal kinds of foods, and that's how I got super jacked.
And the guy was obviously on steroids.
And it just came out that he's on steroids, and here's his apology.
Primals!
I'm making this video to apologize.
Because I f***ed up.
Because I'm embarrassed and ashamed.
Because I lied.
And I misled a lot of people.
I've stated that this is a complicated as f***ing topic, at least to me it is, because before social media, I was rich and anonymous.
And after social media, I'm still rich, but no longer anonymous.
And I never expected this kind of exposure in the public eye.
It's been tricky as f*** to navigate.
Well, clearly I did it wrong.
And I'm here now to set the record straight.
Yes, I've done steroids.
And yes, I'm on steroids, monitored and managed by a trained hormone clinician.
Wow, shocking.
None of us could ever see this.
No, you can't.
You can if you're not taken by this constant push that is accelerated by social media and by our pop culture and our celebrity culture to just be more and more outrageous, more and more shocking.
One maxim that I often come back to on this show is, hey, be normal.
Just be normal.
It's good to be normal.
We're talking about it at the top of the show.
You don't have to hand it to Hitler.
You don't, actually.
You don't.
People are titillated by really shocking statements and shocking images.
And it gets people to think, wow, maybe this thing that I know is not possible or not true or completely out of left field, maybe it really is true.
Usually it's not.
Usually, things are just a lot more normal than all of that.
Generally speaking, you can just trust your faculties of reason and your moral conscience and the traditions in which you have been raised.
Generally speaking, those are going to be much better guides to your own life than some person making some insane sort of claim, whether it be about the Second World War or about how to get really jacked eating cow lung or something.
If it's...
If it seems too wild, crazy, singular to be true, it probably is.
This is in part why we are conservatives.
Because we understand that the old tried and true stuff has a much better track record than the modern flights of fancy, titillating though they may be.
Last Friday we launched a new series.
Speaking of the great traditions and the things that have endured through all of time, we launched a great, great new biblical series with Dr. Jordan B. Peterson.
The series is called Exodus.
In it, Jordan sits down with other scholars to read the book of Exodus and to discuss what it means and why it remains significant thousands of years after it was written.
Dennis Prager, Jonathan Pajot, many, many other people in there.
Episodes one, two, and three are available to stream right now.
You have got to check out this episode.
Here's the trailer.
The Hebrews created history as we know it.
You don't get away with anything, and so you might think you can bend the fabric of reality and that you can treat people instrumentally and that you can bow to the tyrant and violate your conscience without cost.
You will pay the piper.
It's going to call you out of that slavery, into freedom, even if that pulls you into the desert.
And we're going to see that there's something else going on here that is far more cosmic and deeper than what you can imagine.
The highest ethical spirit to which we're beholden is presented precisely as that spirit that allies itself with the cause of freedom against tyranny.
Yes, exactly.
I want villains to get punished.
But do you want the villains to learn before they have to pay the ultimate price?
That's such a Christian question.
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First question.
Thank you.
Michael Arun here.
I am an astrophysicist, which I mentioned for context because you recently piqued my curiosity when you mentioned that behind the heliocentrism debate within the Catholic Church during the 17th century were deeper and more profound philosophical and theological issues.
I was wondering if you could talk from your perspective as a Catholic Christian about what those philosophical issues are and maybe also about what are the philosophical and perhaps even metaphysical implications of the Einsteinian view of the universe in which there is no preferred center to the universe.
Thank you, as always, for your wisdom.
Arun, very, very good question.
Yes, you can see how misrepresented the Catholic Church's position on science has been when you look at the history of these sorts of controversies.
One, the most prominent scientists ever have been, not only Catholic, but in many cases have been Catholic priests.
Fr.
George Lemaitre is the person who first theorized the Big Bang.
Catholic priest.
Gregor Mendel, Catholic priest, the discoverer of Mendelian inheritance and genetics.
Copernicus was maybe a Catholic priest, though that's a little bit unclear.
He was at least a Catholic canon.
And many, many others.
But if you look at, say, when Copernicus puts forward the idea that the Earth revolves around the Sun, he was not really persecuted for it.
Galileo puts forward this idea, and he was persecuted for it, but not exactly for suggesting the idea.
It was more for being just a huge jerk all the time.
And so when Copernicus's book comes out on the celestial spheres, he...
There was a preface added to the book that said that this is meant to facilitate calculations, but it's not necessarily meant to be taken literally.
Galileo comes out and not only proposes his view as a literal view, but he also antagonizes the Pope and members of the clergy in the book.
And he has Simplicius in this dialogue, meaning simpleton, though it's a reference to an interpreter and a commentator on Aristotle.
But it's obviously...
Meant to suggest this person is a simpleton, and that represents the Pope's view.
So he just was kind of a jerk, and he didn't play his cards really straight either.
The reason I bring up the word literal is because...
The word literal is very confusing, especially in our day and age, because literal is supposed to mean not figurative or not symbolic, but literal refers to letters which are signs, and in our day and age are symbols as well.
So what does it even mean to be literal?
If you tell me You mentioned Einstein's view of the universe.
When you tell me that there is no center to the universe, or we're in this kind of static, infinite sort of universe, or really any modern scientific depiction of the universe that you want, and you tell me that the Earth is on this little ball circling this other little ball in a galaxy, in a galaxy cluster, in another galaxy cluster, in a galaxy supercluster, I don't know what that means.
If you tell me that man is the center of the universe, I do know what that means.
And furthermore, when you say man is the center of the universe, that more accurately describes man's actual position in the world.
Because man is the nexus of the physical world and the metaphysical world through his rational soul.
Man is the only being in this world that that can be said of.
Animals are bodies, and they have a soul proper to their nature, but they don't have a rational soul.
That's why we don't put them on trial when a cat scratches a human being.
We don't prosecute the cat.
Ideas are meaningful, and they have consequences in the world, but they don't have bodies.
Angels and demons, which I happen to believe exist, as have most people throughout all of human history, but some doubt it today.
But angels and demons are real.
They have metaphysical reality, but they don't have bodies.
Only in man do you see that nexus, perfectly in the incarnation and in the blessed sacrament.
So that representation more accurately describes what is really going on in reality.
Even if in order to make calculations, we accept the premise that the earth revolves around the sun and the sun is in the galaxy or whatever, that's fine.
But that is a representation, too.
That's just a picture in your head so that you can make models and make certain calculations.
This is a point that is really driven home by Owen Barfield, who you'll hear a lot of us on Daily Wire bring up this writer a lot.
He's the guy who was instrumental in converting C.S. Lewis to Christianity.
Really, really brilliant philosopher.
And he just points out that in the world, what we take in about the world around us is necessarily just representations.
I'm not really seeing the camera as the camera.
I'm Taking in the information that the camera has in itself, and then I am perceiving that, and then I am creating a concept of that in my mind, and we hope that that accords as well as it can to reality, but it is a distinct thing, and what modern science does is it separates the representations.
It separates the phenomena from what the phenomena really mean, and it creates a sort of idolatry out of that.
So that's why we think of the human body now as just a bag of chemicals.
We don't think of it as a meaningful thing with the soul because that's the way science has to treat the body.
We think of, therefore, the cosmos in that same way.
But there is more to the cosmos than just the physical world.
There's the metaphysical world as well.
We all know that.
We have to know that.
We have to accept that.
That's the only way that we can talk.
That's the only way that our ideas can have meaning.
That's the only way we can have hopes and joys and loves and all the rest of the things that we can't quite touch.
So that's...
A long-winded version of that view, and it's why it's kind of like that bell curve, you know, for IQ. It's like the really dumb guy would say, man's the center of the universe.
And then the guy in the middle would say, well, actually, you know, the Earth is in the galaxy, in the supercluster.
And then you get to the top of the bell curve, and it's just the sort of Jedi Knight is saying, actually, man really is the center of the universe.
That's, I think, what's going on when we talk about our representations of science.
Alright, next question.
Hey there, Mr.
Michael.
This is Stanley again.
Thank you for taking my original question on your pronunciation of words like divisive versus divisive.
I was listening to your show, and Ben also brought it up on his show, the Canadian new laws that we're going to try to help with assisted suicide.
Now, I think the reason the Canadians are actually doing this, as well as other European countries with socialized medicine, is because of their social programs.
It's obviously much cheaper to just do away with them than it is to treat them for a fatal illness.
You might remember several years ago, I think back in 2018, there was a little boy named Alfie Evans, and he died, and he may have died anyway, but he died because the British government would not allow his parents to seek treatment for him, even outside of the country.
Even the Vatican was going to send a jet to help him.
Now, I think honestly, the core of all of this is Satan.
He hates the family and he does everything he can to circumvent it from gender confusion to making husbands and wives thinks that they're a drag on each other to pornography and all sorts of things.
Anyway, that's my perspective.
What do you think?
That's a great question.
Sometimes people ask questions like that at speaking events that I go to.
They'll get up and they'll say, hey Michael, and give a dissertation on their view of the world and say, what do you think of that?
I agree, actually.
I agree with that.
That's a very good one.
And especially on your first point when you say, do you think that Canada now Is pushing assisted suicide because it will save them money because they've got these sort of socialist programs?
And the answer is, of course, yes.
This is one of the great hazards to socialized medicine.
To all sorts of socialist programs and giving all of your political power away and upending all sorts of traditions.
Because you just get perverse incentives.
And conservatives understand that incentives motivate people's behavior.
So, if the government is going to create an incentive for Granny maybe to leave this planet a little sooner, then you're going to see more of that behavior.
And we know that because part of the debate over socialized medicine and Obamacare and all the rest of it was that people spend a huge proportion of the money that they will spend over their whole lives on healthcare in the final 18 months of their life.
It's not as though you spend the same amount every year on healthcare.
It's that you spend basically nothing on healthcare for most of your life, and then a little bit more as you get older, and then at the very end you spend a ton of money.
So, if you're some technocrat with a green visor crunching the numbers, and you say, well, if we want to save, who knows, 50% on our medical expenses in the government, if we just kill granny 18 months sooner, you're going to get that behavior.
That's a huge moral hazard.
Next question.
Hey Michael, it's Camille.
I have another dating question for you.
So I recently had an ex, let's call it a situationship because we weren't fully dating, reach out to me asking me to set him up with one of my friends.
I was shocked, livid, and fuming at this request, but I wanted to call in and see what your thoughts were.
He was kind of a jerk to me, and things didn't end super well.
And it's been a long time, but I never thought we were friends, and I think it's absolutely insane that he asked me to do this.
We'd love to hear your thoughts.
Thanks.
Camille, I want you to take out your phone right now.
I'll...
Okay, you got it.
You pulled over.
You took out your phone.
I want you to go to your contacts.
Actually, it's probably easier to go to your texts.
Okay, pull up this guy's number and go to information about that.
And then delete the number, Camille.
What is wrong with you?
Good grief.
You've written into the show before about your relationship problems.
Don't What are you doing?
Why do you talk to this guy?
Not only, I'm sorry, before you delete the number, block the number and then delete the number out of your phone so that you don't text him.
Yeah, of course, this guy's a total jerk loser.
You don't need to speak to him ever again.
Even when you say, I didn't even think we were friends after we broke up.
Well, if you're not friends, then delete the number and block it, Camille.
Good grief.
Ah!
Camille, I just want to shake, I just want to reach for the camera and shake you.
Of course.
Stop it.
Stop talking to these jerks.
Alright, next question.
Hey Michael, I'm just wondering what your view on recycling is because a friend of mine, a conservative friend of mine, recently made fun of me and was calling me liberal because I was recycling and I like to recycle.
So I guess I'm just wondering if you think it actually does something and it could actually help our planet or if it's another, I don't know, fake narrative that liberals push.
Also, I gotta let you know that I am a religious Jew, but I will still choose your show over Ben's any day.
Thanks so much, Michael.
Now we're talking.
All right.
Thank you.
You clearly have marvelous taste.
That's so clear.
I could tell from the inside of your question, and the final part just confirms it for me.
The problem with recycling is that it's a good thing to do in theory, and it doesn't really do very much in practice.
A very, very tiny proportion of the things that we put in the recycling bin actually end up being recycled in any way.
And this is in part because it involves not just Americans going and doing their part, but then we ship it overseas to third world countries, and they're supposed to deal with our trash for us, and then often that doesn't really happen.
And so it's a good thing to do in theory.
I know that there is a conservative perspective that says, who cares about the planet?
I'm just gonna throw my refuse into the ocean and burn tires all day long.
And that's my right as an American.
I don't think that's true.
I think it's very conservative to conserve things and to be a good steward of your environment, to be moderate in that regard.
The problem with recycling is just it doesn't really work, so it ends up being a kind of meaningless ritual.
So do it.
The Don't do it.
It's not really going to have much of an effect in the world.
But I think your instinct to be a good steward of your created environment, I think, is a good one.
And a conservative one.
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