Lauren Southern is back and joins the show to discuss the spate of Church burnings, the insane Australian lockdowns, and discusses why "my feelings don't care about your facts." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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| I'm Michael Knowles and this is The Michael Knowles Show. | |
| It's been a tough couple of years. | |
| The lockdowns, the malaise, all the election nonsense. | |
| We lose Trump, we get this guy who's half asleep and destroying the world. | |
| And one of the worst aspects of it all was the disappearance of Lauren Southern. | |
| I always really loved watching Lauren's commentary. | |
| And then she made the fair enough decision to go off... | |
| Start a family. | |
| Pull back a little bit from public life. | |
| I understood she did what she had to do. | |
| Well, you know what? | |
| She's back. | |
| She is back, and she has a unique perspective because she left one hellscape in the Anglosphere, Canada, America's hat, for apparently another one, which is still locked down, even down under. | |
| Lauren, thank you very much for coming on. | |
| Thanks for having me. | |
| I was really enjoying my hiatus, my family, all of it. | |
| But you guys really dropped the ball. | |
| Things have just gone sideways the last year and a bit. | |
| And you felt much like Pacino in Godfather Part 3. | |
| Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in! | |
| And he did. | |
| And so it's gone really crazy. | |
| I want your perspective on two stories that I think Americans don't really know very much about. | |
| I don't even know where to begin. | |
| Let's begin at America's Hat, your former country. | |
| They're burning down churches all throughout Canada. | |
| And no one's really talking about it. | |
| Yeah, other than a brief mention from Trudeau weeks after it started happening. | |
| And we're not talking about just one or two churches here. | |
| We're talking about dozens of organized arson and vandalism attacks against churches. | |
| One evening, there were 10 attacks against churches in one province. | |
| And All this is happening because there have been mass graves that were discovered of indigenous people in Canada. | |
| Now, we don't actually have much information on these mass graves. | |
| We've just found graves. | |
| We haven't investigated why they were there, whether they occurred because there was a disease outbreak. | |
| In fact, one of the mass graves found in British Columbia, which resulted in churches being attacked, was discovered to just be an overgrown graveyard that they knew was a graveyard. | |
| But the media just went off with it. | |
| Mass grave. | |
| This is a genocide with no further investigation or professionals looking into it. | |
| And, of course, people are saying that these attacks are justified. | |
| This is revenge against the Catholic Church who ran residential schools that indigenous people went to in the 1800s and earlier 1900s to essentially assimilate them to the English culture when they came over. | |
| I don't think the residential schools were a good thing, but is hate crimes today the right reaction to hate crimes 100 years ago or 50 years ago? | |
| I want to pause you there just for people because I'm not particularly familiar with this either. | |
| So there were these residential schools that were largely run by the church to assimilate The Native Canadians, the indigenous first peoples, to the dominant Canadian culture. | |
| So I understand that, by the way, in principle. | |
| I'm not even opposed to assimilation in principle. | |
| If you're going to have a country, you need people to assimilate into that country. | |
| But this is somewhat controversial because of First Nations sovereignty and the Canadians stole our land. | |
| Is that the argument? | |
| Well, the idea that they were forcing them out of their traditional cultures, and of course there was abuse also found at some of these residential schools, whether it be sexual or physical abuse, but also something that should really be understood by people jumping up and down about this, is most boarding schools at that time in history were rife with abuse, no matter who was going there. | |
| I mean, I was just reading Surprised by Joy by C.S. Lewis, and he went to a really wealthy boarding school where he talks about abuse occurring. | |
| But I mean, he was a bit too pale for us to care about that, right? | |
| And yeah, so people are burning down churches as revenge. | |
| And the shocking part too, is some of these churches aren't even like Anglo Catholic churches. | |
| A lot of them are on residential indigenous land. | |
| So they are actually indigenous churches. | |
| So not only did some of these people have to be descendants of family members who were in residential schools, but now they have woke people today burning their churches down to try to I don't know. | |
| Save them from past. | |
| It makes no sense. | |
| It makes no sense. | |
| And you have verified checkmark liberals all over Twitter saying they love this, saying they support this. | |
| So you have the sort of pro-native Canadian First Peoples arson against the churches. | |
| At the same time, you've got the government going in because of the COVID police shutting down churches, shutting down services. | |
| There was very famously this Polish-Canadian pastor, Pawel Pawlowski was his name? | |
| Or no, Arthur Pawlowski. | |
| Don't ask me to pronounce Polish last names. | |
| Yes, no, he was tremendous and he yelled and he said, get out, you Gestapo. | |
| Out of this property, you Nazis! | |
| Out! | |
| Out! | |
| Gestapo is not allowed here. | |
| And there are now suggestions that religious freedom in Canada and the ability to practice Christianity is being threatened as it is in other nefarious countries, like communist China, for instance. | |
| So you've got this threat, and I can't help but notice, no matter who the radicals are, whether they're radical indigenous activists, whether they're radical leftists in the government, whether it's the Jacobins, whether it's the communists, whether it's they always seem to go after the churches throughout whether it's they always seem to go after the churches throughout What's that about? | |
| Absolutely. | |
| First, I want to point out these radical Indigenous activists in a lot of cases are actually white people claiming they stand up for the Indigenous. | |
| There have been videos that have come out and it's like 22-year-old white women privileged attacking these churches. | |
| It always is, isn't it? | |
| Saying they stand for the Indigenous people who are actually the chiefs in Canada are begging people to stop this. | |
| But the white kids have to stand up for them and save the day by burning down their churches, of course. | |
| It's this attack against Christianity because Christianity is the antithesis of everything they stand for, in my opinion. | |
| They stand for absolutely no restrictions on our personal desire, no morality to constrict what we want to do, no matter how sinful or how harmful to other people. | |
| They stand for cancel culture so that people should just be cut off from society, cut out, irredeemable. | |
| Christ and redemption is quite literally the antithesis of cancel culture. | |
| And they can't have that. | |
| They need conservatives. | |
| They need Christians. | |
| They need these people to be irredeemable, separate from them so that they can be seen as the saints and the heroes. | |
| They are the good ones fighting against the irredeemable Nazis in our society. | |
| And also they're out of Nazis. | |
| I mean, I'm sure they exist somewhere, but they're in swamps in Alabama and they don't have any power in society. | |
| So they keep having to find new things to label the ultimate enemy. | |
| Right now, that is the church, and it is the perfect enemy because it is the one thing that is a mirror to their immorality and a mirror to the wrongdoing they have been It's a great point, and I've long seen this radical leftism as just an inversion of Christianity, | |
| even up to its ultimate sacrament, which is abortion, which I think it was Peter Kreeft who made the point, even uses the language of the Eucharist, this is my body, as a way to defend this antithesis. | |
| Of the gospel, you know, in the destruction of the baby. | |
| This is my body. | |
| This is my choice. | |
| So I certainly see that inversion. | |
| I do have to correct you, though, when you say that there are only a few Nazis running around Alabama. | |
| There are very many Nazis. | |
| They all work for the FBI. They're all informants. | |
| They're just fed Nazis spying on other fed Nazis. | |
| So it's a totally contrived issue. | |
| But there are many of them running around. | |
| So you've got this problem in Canada. | |
| Obviously, part of the Anglosphere. | |
| And you fled. | |
| You fled Canada wisely, I think. | |
| And now you're down under. | |
| You're about as far away from Canada as one can possibly get. | |
| I always thought Australia was a good, virile, tough, manly culture. | |
| But you inform me the lockdowns there are just as bad as they are anywhere else. | |
| Oh, Australia is a lovely country, but I just came at the absolute worst time, apparently. | |
| I thought I would be riding crocodiles and fighting off giant spiders, but I've just been locked in my house the entire time because, yeah, there are some of the worst restrictions in the world here in Australia. | |
| We're in the 700 lockdown at the moment. | |
| All the states... | |
| Not allowed to leave your house unless you have to go buy essential goods and even so it's only one person at a time. | |
| Just today they banned browsing stores. | |
| So if you need to just grab some food and you don't need mayonnaise for that food, you're not allowed to go down the mayonnaise aisle. | |
| That is illegal at the moment. | |
| Only 10 people are allowed at a funeral at the moment. | |
| You can't travel interstate. | |
| It's masks everywhere when you go out. | |
| We've even had restrictions for the times you can go out. | |
| You can only leave your house from 8 a.m. | |
| to 8 p.m. | |
| in Victoria. | |
| Of course, COVID is far more dangerous in the middle of the night. | |
| We know this. | |
| It gets much worse. | |
| There's no question about it. | |
| It obviously gets worse in the middle of the night, which I should note is when you are talking to me right now because of this time difference. | |
| A young mother, we are such sadists here at The Daily Wire that we're having you wake up in the middle of the night, but greatly appreciate it because... | |
| I think there were a lot of people who believed that the COVID lockdowns were all just about getting Trump out, and I still largely think that was true, but as a result, they believed that once Trump was gone, once the big bad guy was kicked out of the Oval Office, then everything would go away. | |
| I started to question that as the election got closer because I thought, you know, this was a big power grab and people don't generally like to give up political power once they have taken it. | |
| So what's going to happen? | |
| We're now in the longest 15 days in recorded history. | |
| We still apparently haven't slowed the spread. | |
| We're going to be slowing it for a long time. | |
| What is the end game here? | |
| Are we just living in mask world for the rest of our lives? | |
| Oh, I have been asking this question for a long time, especially if you look at the UK right now that have some of the highest vaccination rates worldwide. | |
| I think they're well over half the population vaccinated at the moment, and they're going through a COVID spike. | |
| So we know, we have been informed, you still have to wear a mask, we still have to do these lockdowns, even when you're vaccinated, because you can still get COVID when you're vaccinated. | |
| So... | |
| Yeah, I guess we're doing this forever. | |
| I guess this is the forever lockdown. | |
| And you know what? | |
| If it does get to a point where they realize, okay, we're still having this spread with over half the population vaccinated, they're going to have to make the decision. | |
| We have to open up and we have to let it run its course so that we just get herd immunity. | |
| And how punishing will that be? | |
| How many stories for two years will you have of people who missed their mother or father's death, the birth of their child, the funerals, the weddings? | |
| I think there is going to be a reckoning if that happens. | |
| And I also think that's why the government have held out this long in doing these lockdown own strategies is because it's like chasing bad money. | |
| They can't admit they were wrong because if they admit they were wrong, people are going to have a bone to pick. | |
| Everyone has missed some massive event in their life that has catastrophically impacted their mental health. | |
| I actually know more people who have killed themselves this year than have died of COVID. Wow. | |
| I know more people who have killed themselves. | |
| I suppose I do, too. | |
| Yeah, I suppose I do as well. | |
| I suspect that's true of a lot of people. | |
| You've seen deaths of despair spike, not just suicide, but drug overdoses, all of those sorts of things. | |
| And the eggheads did it. | |
| I mean, this was the public health tyrants, Dr. | |
| Fauci, the high priest of progressivism, the pontiff of our scientific state, Whatever he decrees seems to go. | |
| And this raises a real question of how we fight back because we seem to be arguing on the left's terms. | |
| What the left goes out there and says, they say, the science mandates that we close all your churches. | |
| The science mandates that we keep the marijuana dispensary open but we shut down the local church. | |
| The science mandates that... | |
| You're not allowed to go outside, even if you're at statistically zero risk of facing grave consequences from this virus because of your age and your circumstances. | |
| And so the science is mandating a whole lot of things that were formerly held in the realm of the political. | |
| It's actually not up to these eggheads to determine how I would like to make prudential judgments and live my life. | |
| But I notice a lot of conservatives then arguing from those premises and saying, no, the science says this or no, the science says that. | |
| My view is who gives a damn what the science says? | |
| What does the politics say? | |
| What does the ethics say? | |
| What do the people say? | |
| Because last time I checked, we still had a right to control our country. | |
| I think this does touch into that larger question of... | |
| Do we have a right to be completely safe from disease? | |
| Do we have a right to be basically in these hamster wheels of protection and fluff all the time, never facing any harm whatsoever? | |
| completely harm averse society? | |
| And is that now the government's duty to create that? | |
| Because we know that there will be another virus after this, perhaps an even worse virus or less, you know, a less severe virus. | |
| But then what what question is it? | |
| What degree is it? | |
| Because with covid, everyone said, well, if it just saves one life, if I wear a mask. | |
| So now every flu season, do we lock down because that could potentially save just one life? | |
| Why didn't we lock down during the swine flu? | |
| There are so many questions of general philosophical debate, political debate that come from this that I do not think the left have answers for. | |
| I do not think the people who have put us through this for nearly two years now have answers to these questions. | |
| I really think that Another aspect of this, them chasing bad money, I also think is the tail wagging the dog. | |
| The media are controlling the government by making all of these politicians terrified of getting a headline that says, this politician killed your grandma. | |
| This politician is the reason 50,000 people died. | |
| And so they are only doing these... | |
| They have numbers guys that would tell them this lockdown is going to kill way more people than it's going to save just based on economic fallout. | |
| Look at the third world. | |
| Oxfam put out a report saying literally millions are going to die of starvation due to economic fallout from this. | |
| But these politicians know that's not going to be an article during their election season. | |
| That's going to be five years from now. | |
| So, alright, best thing to do, lock everyone in their houses and save myself from a bad New York Times story. | |
| Terrifying stuff. | |
| This was why Trump was in this impossible situation where I think his gut told him, don't lock down. | |
| If you're going to lock down, don't let them surpass the two or three weeks. | |
| They're never going to give up this power. | |
| But he was in this position where... | |
| Had he not gone along with whatever Dr. | |
| Fauci told him to do, and he already was blamed for every single death, but every single death of pneumonia from a 99-year-old would have been blamed on him because of his callousness on COVID. So it's a very difficult position, and the threat of the media is big here. | |
| And I like your point on this philosophical issue. | |
| It kind of brings me to a great point that I saw you make just a few months ago. | |
| You know, our pal Ben Shapiro, It has this very famous slogan, facts don't care about your feelings. | |
| It's obviously true when you're talking about, say, Bruce Jenner. | |
| Bruce Jenner feels like he's a woman, but he's not really a woman. | |
| He's a man, and the reality of that doesn't care about his feelings. | |
| You made this point in a terrific video. | |
| You said, it's also true... | |
| Feelings don't care about your facts. | |
| Politics has quite a lot to do with feelings. | |
| I actually made the same point in my recent book. | |
| It doesn't negate Ben's perfectly obvious observation, but it does add another aspect here. | |
| And I think this gets to the problem that conservatives have had for not just a few decades, but actually a few centuries, going back to that jerk David Hume, where we don't have the confidence any longer to derive... | |
| Moral truths from the world. | |
| We seem not to be willing to say that you should do this and you shouldn't do that. | |
| We're stuck in this scientistic culture where the eggheads rule because all we're allowed to know is that, for instance, this is a tumbler and I know that this is a tumbler, but I'm not allowed to derive any metaphysical truth from the tumbler. | |
| I can't know, for instance, that the tumbler is for drinking. | |
| I can't know, for instance, that my body parts have various purposes and they shouldn't be put to other purposes. | |
| We seem to have surrendered the basis of politics. | |
| As Cardinal Manning says, all human conflict ultimately is theological. | |
| But do conservatives ever make those arguments anymore? | |
| No. | |
| They only ever seem to defend free speech in the abstract. | |
| They never say anything really concrete in theory. | |
| And the only thing they ever manage to push for of substance in politics is... | |
| Another tax cut, I guess. | |
| But beyond that, we seem to have lost our moral reasoning, and the left sure has. | |
| And I see the left making moral arguments all the time. | |
| Yeah, you know, a lot of people talk about the fear they have of us becoming these nameless, faceless, genderless, nationless, gray checkmarks on a government data book if we embrace the leftist theology. | |
| But I fear us just becoming breeding, coal mine working, corporate machines, just consumers, also just on a business checkbook if we go the way that conservatism is going at the moment. | |
| We are human beings with souls. | |
| Our purpose is not politics. | |
| Our purpose is not conservatism. | |
| I've had people, I remember meeting them over the last few years when I was engaged in all of these political events. | |
| And the one thing driving them was the cause, whether it be Trumpism or conservatism. | |
| And I'm like, that is all wrong. | |
| You've got it backwards. | |
| I am a mother for it. | |
| I am a Christian first. | |
| I am a part of my community first. | |
| And then I am only a conservative because I care about these things and I think it will make these things better in my life. | |
| And I love these things irrationally. | |
| I love my child irrationally. | |
| I don't care if the odds of saving my son's life were a million to one and I would maybe die if I did something. | |
| I would take those odds every time, even though the facts didn't tell me that. | |
| We are motivated by feelings. | |
| We are motivated. | |
| By beauty and life and morality and these deeper, non-tangible themes that you were just talking about. | |
| And we really do need to tap back into that as conservatives. | |
| We need to tap into our artistic side, the side that communicates to the soul. | |
| Because there's that great quote, I think it was actually from a billboard advertisement that said, people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care. | |
| We have to show it. | |
| Yeah, we have to show people why they need to care about this data. | |
| It's also, by the way, it's not just a subjective feeling. | |
| Your calculation, million to one odds to save your son, but you might have to incur some personal risk in that. | |
| That's not just a subjective feeling or preference or passion. | |
| It is a moral fact that you're talking about. | |
| it is a moral fact that you're talking about. | |
| I mean, when you say we're real human beings and we're about more than just consuming random cheap goods made in China, and we're about more than just, you know, ticking up GDP for a little bit, that is not merely a passion of yours and a preference and a feeling. | |
| I mean, when you say we're real human beings and we're about more than just consuming random cheap goods made in China and we're about more than just, you know, ticking up GDP for a little bit. | |
| That is a fact. | |
| And I just think we are understanding as a culture of what is real, what is a fact, what is scientific, has become so shallow and atrophied. | |
| And it's not just the left that has done this. | |
| The right has given into this as well. | |
| And I just think we need a much realer kind of politics, a more authentic politics. | |
| We're stuck between these false dichotomies of... | |
| I don't know. | |
| Big government or the individual or a free speech and censorship. | |
| And I just think real life is about more than that. | |
| It's about standards. | |
| It's about purpose. | |
| It's about what we're here for. | |
| I mean, all the cheap Chinese goods in the world, all the things we can consume in the world, don't mean anything unless we know what they are for. | |
| And ultimately, we need to know what we are for as well. | |
| Right. | |
| Absolutely. | |
| And I think that also comes down to a problem with modern conservative pursuit of hyper-individualism. | |
| We are just the individual. | |
| It is just about how much you can achieve and how much money you can earn and pull yourself up by your bootstraps. | |
| No, actually. | |
| We have a duty to our community. | |
| You are born helpless and we die helpless. | |
| And I do not want to live in a community where a 90 year old grandma with no one to help her just dies because she wasn't strong enough to pull herself up by her bootstraps. | |
| I believe in a duty to each other. | |
| I believe in, and maybe that makes me a communist, a socialist. | |
| I don't think it does. | |
| I think that's that false dichotomy. | |
| Yeah, I think that's that false dichotomy you're talking about, where it's not just individualists versus communists. | |
| There's complexity. | |
| There's living in this tension of facts and feelings, living in this tension of duty to each other, but also personal responsibility. | |
| But that's a hard conversation because it's not simple. | |
| It's not just a tweet. | |
| It's not just a slogan. | |
| Yeah. | |
| And it's not clear. | |
| My friend, Father George Rutler, has this observation when people say, I want a clear ideology. | |
| I want clear religion. | |
| And he says, shallows are clear. | |
| Shallow thinking is clear. | |
| Deep things are profound. | |
| They're a little murky. | |
| You've got to kind of work... | |
| with them. | |
| And I see in this false dichotomy between the individualist and the collectivist, I think they're two sides of the same coin. | |
| The way that the collectivists collectivize is by breaking down society into a bunch of individuals that they can more easily bundle up together. | |
| And really, the opposite of collectivism is not individualism. | |
| It's the family. | |
| It's community. | |
| It's society. | |
| Even the way that we talk about our political order, everyone's just talking about You hear the left talking about the positive rights or the human rights to healthcare or whatever, and you hear the right talking about the negative rights or the natural rights, which is, I think, a more serious conversation. | |
| What about that word that you just used, Lauren? | |
| What about duty? | |
| What about the fact that I'm not just born into this world entitled to a bunch of rights, but I'm also born with duty. | |
| Duty to my family, duty to my community, duty to my God, and I'm not free in this radical self-ownership to just do whatever I want. | |
| That's not even what our founding fathers thought liberty was. | |
| They thought liberty was the right to do what you ought to do, not just the freedom to indulge in any sorts of appetites and abuses that you would Yeah, and I think that's really the core of what we're hitting on here is the both conservative movement and the progressive movements are now based on human selfishness. | |
| And we're never going to get anywhere on both sides just arguing over what do I deserve? | |
| What do I deserve? | |
| There's a complete and utter moral sickness at the core of both movements, in my opinion, and until we get back, and I know a lot of people won't like to hear this, and it's not an easy thing to say because there are a lot of wonderful atheist conservatives out there, but until we get back to a core of Christianity that believes in the idea we are a broken world, we are broken individuals, we are not ubermensch or perfectly feeling individuals and all my feelings are valid, No, no, no. | |
| We are broken individuals that need redemption, that need to work towards love, that need to work to support each other and let go of selfishness. | |
| And until we do that, the only thing that is going to happen in politics, left and right, is going to be human sickness, corrupting the money given to it, corrupting the platforms we have, corrupting the fame and ego and power. | |
| How the power is used if it is entirely based around human desires and selfish desires and nothing higher because we don't believe in a god anymore, we don't believe in anything higher anymore than just capitalism or socialism, it will all be corrupted. | |
| And that's this downward spiral we're in right now. | |
| We're just spiraling into oblivion with Twitter arguments. | |
| And I truly believe when I look at everyone walking around with masks and everyone just screaming at each other in Twitter, I'm like, did I die and go to hell? | |
| Am I in purgatory right now? | |
| I forget if it was Moliere or Shaw. | |
| I'm getting my quotes mixed up, but who cares? | |
| It's some old dead guy who said that hell is the place where you have nothing to do but amuse yourself. | |
| And that's kind of what you're describing. | |
| And this cult of selfishness has really taken hold, not just on the left. | |
| It was always there on the left. | |
| But it took hold on the right, especially in the 1970s and 80s. | |
| Coincidentally, I just managed finally to make it through... | |
| Possibly the worst book ever written, though it gained a lot of currency on the right, Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. | |
| I mean, it's unbearable. | |
| It's funny that conservatives came to embrace it to some degree because when it first came out in National Review, which was the conservative publication at the time, ran a scathing article. | |
| Bill Buckley said he had to flog himself to read it. | |
| He called it a thousand pages of ideological fabulism. | |
| Whitaker Chambers, the ex-communist, one of the great writers of the 20th century, He wrote a really tough review, but he didn't just knock the horrific prose and the stupid ideas. | |
| He made the observation that has really weakened the right, I think, because they've embraced Ayn Rand and those sorts of selfish ideas, selfishness is virtue. | |
| He said, Randian man, like Marxian man... | |
| It's the center of a godless universe. | |
| It puts man at the center where nothing means anything beyond our own pleasure. | |
| And so, to give Ayn Rand credit, what she and the defenders of the virtue of selfishness on the right, what they say is, no, no, this won't descend into hedonism. | |
| This will be the sort of Nuchean ubermensch. | |
| We're going to just pursue our own excellence and what we want in this higher way. | |
| But as I look at reality, that doesn't seem to be what has happened. | |
| We just seem to have descended into decadence, not just on the left, but on the right as well. | |
| So how, Lauren, in our remaining minute or two, how do we get out of it? | |
| I used to think that book was genius. | |
| We all did. | |
| We all loved Ayn Rand for a spell, and thankfully we woke up. | |
| Yes, I grew up. | |
| I graduated. | |
| I swear by my life and my love of it, I will never live for another man nor let another man live for mine, was the famous quote from that book. | |
| And I just know... | |
| That all, any inclination that that quote might be right disappeared when I looked into my child's eyes. | |
| And I think the more people we have, the more young people we have having children, the more they will learn to not be selfish. | |
| It is a complete and utter turnaround in your life of just... | |
| My life is now about another person, and I need to learn to live for other people. | |
| And I think just right now, all we can do is promote the family, promote God, and hope that we can get out of this hell spiral we are in. | |
| And I think you're doing good work on this show with that. | |
| Well, thank you, Lauren. | |
| It actually just occurred to me, as you read that quote, the famous John Galt oath from Atlas Shrugged, I'll never live for another man and no man will live for me. | |
| It is an inversion. | |
| I mean, so much of that book is an inversion of Christianity, the explicit denial of original sin, the insistence by one of the main characters that money and love of money is not the root of all evil, it's the root of all good, a Total, total inversion of Christianity. | |
| And so I'm reminded that Cardinal Manning was right. | |
| All human conflict is ultimately theological. | |
| And I have to tell you, even though I missed you during your hiatus, I was really pleased to see you do it because I thought, man, I knew this chickie was smart, but she's got her priorities in order. | |
| And I'm glad that you're back now with all of these priorities in order. | |
| And I would encourage people to go follow you if they're not doing that already. | |
| Where can people find you, Lauren? | |
| Yeah, you can find me on Behel site Twitter at Lauren underscore Southern. | |
| Just look up my name, Lauren Southern on YouTube, and I'm around there. | |
| Instagram, all those terrible sites that are wastes of your time. | |
| But I try to provide a brief break from the chaos on my page. | |
| A brief break where you go, you worship your lord, you raise your kids, you do your job, and then there's that, when you do want to dip your toe into politics, you can go follow Lauren there. | |
| I really appreciate it. | |
| Thank you for staying up all night. | |
| Kiss your kid on the head for us, and I look forward to chatting with you again soon. | |
| Thanks for having me. |