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How well did the Republicans make their case this week?
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Matt, thank you for hanging out with us tonight.
What's going on out in Pennsylvania?
You know, not much.
I'll try to serve well in Andrew Klav instead.
I'll try not to disgrace his memory, I guess, while I'm here.
Here's what you do.
No matter what we say about Donald Trump, just tell us that it's actually his genius.
That's basically the rule.
I definitely can't do that.
I can't do that.
If I were to say something like, I don't know if you guys heard, but Donald Trump caught the curtains on fire in the Oval Office while he was trying to put...
I can't take this anywhere.
Anyway, your job is to say, ah, that's just part of his genius.
Right.
Like a 70-minute speech.
That'd be an element of genius.
My actual thought there is that he was going to segue directly from the nomination acceptance into his second inaugural.
He was just going to continue going all the way for several months.
That would have been perfect.
He was actually going to use the racist filibuster.
And completely just do it for days on end.
I mean, he wanted to show that he had energy.
The problem was the rest of the country didn't have his kind of energy.
Most of us fell asleep.
But overall, what did you guys think of the RNs?
To quote a great man, some weird...
Pretty weird...
Listen, I... First of all, it's the first time in my lifetime where the Republicans put on a better show just in terms of sheer stagecraft than the Democrats.
You didn't like Billie Eilish?
Come on.
Well, what's not to love?
I think I did say last time we were together that I thought maybe it was an actual strategy on the part of the left.
I couldn't figure out how they could be so bad.
At the optics of that convention, unless they were doing it on purpose, if it was their way of saying we take COVID very, very seriously, in sort of anticipation of the fact that the president would have a live audience at his event, even if that's what they were going for, what a horrible miscalculation.
The president just looked like what he is.
I mean, he's a masterful showman.
Yeah.
And he put on, for the most part, an entertaining show.
You know, I thought that at least 40 minutes of his 70-minute speech was actually pretty entertaining.
Yeah, it was a Wagnerian ring cycle.
It was like nine hours long, and if they had just cut out six of the hours, it would have been a really tight and excellent speech that really focused in on the contrast between the RNC and the DNC and the various visions of the country, and the fact that Democrats were outside burning stuff down, like literally right outside just burning stuff down and punching old people in the head.
Right.
Yeah, I mean, in the end, I'm not sure it matters, because the only thing anybody sees anyway are the clips, right?
I mean, you can go on for 70 minutes.
The number of people who watch that thing beginning to end is very, very low.
People listen to the clips on shows like the ones that we do, right?
And that's actually how they find out what Trump said, I think.
And there were some great clips.
I mean, the speech, while a bit long and meandering, there were certainly some excellent aspects of the speech.
You know, he spoke in ways that he didn't speak in 2016 that actually appealed to me.
I thought in 2016 the president wasn't a very good spokesperson for the sort of ideology of conservatism, even the ideology of America, sort of creedal America.
I thought in this speech last night he actually did a much better job at being the front man for the greatest country on earth.
Matt, what did you think of the speech?
Yeah, I thought it was interesting in the middle when he read the entire script of Gone with the Wind as an attack on political correctness.
I thought that was an interesting question.
I mean, when it comes down to it, I think that there's been maybe three political speeches in the history of the world that have actually mattered.
Maybe three to five, maybe.
The rest of them, everyone forgets about five seconds seconds later.
So like Ben said, I think the takeaway from the RNC is not anything that anyone said.
It's what was happening outside when they were leaving and they've literally got leftists flipping off old ladies as they're crossing the street.
I think that's the number one, I guess we could say positive that the RNC could take away because that's what people are going to remember more than any speech, I think.
It's also, when we think back on party conventions, whether it's the Republicans or the Democrats, there are a few moments that come to mind.
Reagan had a good line in 92 where he joked about how he knew Thomas Jefferson.
That was kind of a funny bit.
Clint Eastwood talking to the chair, that was kind of a funny bit.
Pat Buchanan's culture war speech sometimes comes back up.
Other than that, people don't, you know, Reagan in 76, there were these few moments that come back up.
Otherwise, they're just the rah-rah for the base to get the poll numbers up.
This one was the first time that I think there are multiple moments that will be remembered.
And the one thing that Trump did very well and the people who put it together did very well is they built it up so there was a big finale.
First couple days, you know, there were some snoozers in there, there were some clunkers, there were good moments too.
But it built and built.
You had, two nights ago, you had Sister D.D. Byrne, who, you know, Sister Dr.
Colonel D.D. Byrne, you know, gave this great speech on abortion.
And then last night, you had these moments.
Anne Dorn, you know, the will of Dorn.
That was the moment.
That was the moment.
I mean, that was the greatest moment.
Before we talk about it, let's play the clip of...
Yeah, here we go.
Yeah, yeah.
I relive that horror in my mind every single day.
My hope is that having you relive it with me now will help shake this country from this nightmare we are witnessing in our cities and bring about positive, peaceful change.
In a time when police departments are short on resources and manpower, we need that help.
We should accept that help.
We must heal before we can effect change, but we cannot heal amid devastation and chaos.
President Trump knows we need more Davids in our communities, not fewer.
We need more Davids in our communities, not fewer.
You know, during the DNC, they brought out that young lady whose father had died of coronavirus, and she essentially blamed her father's death on her father for being a fool and on Donald Trump for giving, I guess, saying that we should drink fish tank cleaner or whatever her issue was.
I thought that it was the worst moment of the DNC. I thought that it spoke ill of almost every person involved.
Contrast that with this, which I think was the highlight of the RNC. Here's someone not putting the blame in the wrong place.
Here's someone who has suffered a true tragedy, who has accurately identified what the source of that tragedy was, and who's telling the American people about it directly because the media just hasn't Very powerful stuff.
Well, I mean, they've been doing this whole say their names, say her names, say his names stuff for a long time, and they never actually distinguish between any of the facts of the cases here, right?
You're supposed to say Jacob Blake's name despite the fact that he was a person with an open warrant for sexual assault and domestic abuse who resisted arrest, apparently...
Withstood two taser rounds and then walked over to the other side of his car in defiance of police officers, reached into the car, which will get you shot under all circumstances.
And also, there was a knife on the floorboards of the driver's seat of the car.
I mean, this is like the definition of a justified shooting under all circumstances.
A car full of kids.
And a weapon.
Right.
You don't even forget there were kids.
And you're going to let him drive away as the guy with the domestic abuse and the sexual assault convictions in an open warrant.
You say his name in the same sentence that you say Ahmed Arbery, which is a completely different case.
You say that in the same way that you say Breonna Taylor, which, by the way, is another case where the police officers, there is literally no path to indicting the police officers because the police officers did not violate the law.
You may not like no-knock warrants, but there is no way you can indict the police officers in the Breonna Taylor case if you examine the facts of the case, period, end of story.
And it's all say their names.
We all understand their names.
I mean, we all know their names.
But Michael Brown is treated exactly the same way as George Floyd is treated exactly the same way as Ahmed Arbery.
The name that will never get said there is David Dorn.
Nobody will ever say David Dorn.
And this is why people got so angry inside the Democratic Party when, was it Burgess Owens who said all black lives matter?
With Terry Crews.
Terry Crews.
Terry Crews.
Terry Crews said all black lives matter.
Yeah, they said Terry Crews said all Black Lives Matter and Don Lemon went insane because at the moment you mentioned the fact that all Black Lives Matter, including people who are more likely to, including cases that are far more indicative of a national trend, like David Dorn's murder, than police officers randomly shooting Black people.
They get very upset because it misdirects away from the narrative they want to draw, a narrative that is completely at odds with the facts, and that leads to the sorts of rioting and looting that you're seeing in America's major cities.
There is no way for Democrats to simultaneously make the case that America's systems are so rotted through, evil and terrible, that we need systemic fundamental change.
All you have to do is stop the rioting and looting for five seconds to elect this octogenarian white guy who used to hang out with segregationists, and Kamala Harris was calling him a racist, five seconds, go elect him, and he will fix the system.
Yeah.
You can't argue the system needs to be torn down and simultaneously need to argue that the system needs to withstand outside forces.
And by the way, that clip that we just saw of Ann Dorn, it doesn't even do justice.
You've got to watch the whole speech because she's going through this very personal account of how when her husband would get a call in the middle of the night, he would usually wake her up.
But because this was so dangerous, he didn't wake her up.
And it was absolutely heartbreaking.
There was not a dry eye in the House of anybody who was watching this.
And I think this also was the key, not just to why Ann Dorn was so effective at communicating her message, why other people were so effective.
It's the whole RNC was specific.
I watched that whole DNC. I couldn't see one argument for what Joe Biden's going to do, why we should elect him.
It was all vague generalities.
Orange man bad.
Orange man bad.
It basically was orange man bad.
Whereas with Trump, whether you like the guy or not, he told you exactly what he did, exactly what he was going to do, and the specific stories of people who have been affected by these left-wing policies.
I found it very effective.
So speaking of names that will never be said by the left, Rand Paul leaving the White House last night after the conclusion of the president's speech, a sitting United States senator accosted and a police officer assaulted.
Has anybody in the media mentioned this?
In this, I think we have the clip.
- Say hi, man! Say hi, man! Say hi, man! - Oh my God, these moans.
- Move up! - Move up! - I can take pictures and run up, but I gotta go to the moon.
- Move back! - Move back! - I'm not a camera, but you can see it.
Move back!
Move back!
I like that the senator actually turns around to make sure that the police officer...
That's a great move.
Shows character.
These people are literally too stupid to insult.
They're literally too stupid to insult.
They're screaming at him, say her name.
He's the sponsor of the Justice for Breonna Taylor Act, which bans no-knock raids, no-knock drug warrants.
I mean, they're insane.
They don't give a crap about policy.
They don't want anything.
The reason I brought up my cell phone here is because here was the headline.
You asked whether the media said anything about this?
Here was the headline from the Associated Press.
You ready for this?
This is pretty spectacular.
Senator Paul complains about angry mob encounter after RNC. Unbelievable.
Next thing you know, he'll pounce.
Yeah, did he pounce?
That's what I want to know.
By the way, if anybody's going to be somewhat, I would say, skittish about encounters with people who want to do them harm in public office, probably Rand Paul, who narrowly avoided being shot to death on a congressional baseball field, and then narrowly avoided being beaten to death.
Yeah.
By his next-door neighbor in Kentucky.
Like, that guy seems like he probably has a leg to stand on when he's like, yeah, I felt a little threatened there.
Yeah, that's...
Again, imagine for one second that was Dianne Feinstein rather than Rand Paul.
And imagine those were Tea Partiers or Alt-Riders rather than what they were, which were Black Lives Matter and Antifa.
Protesters slash rioters slash looters and crazy people.
And you can see how the media covers this sort of stuff.
This brings me to one of my complaints about our president.
Donald Trump, especially when he took office, I think it persists a bit to this day.
He has an almost constitutional aversion to criticizing anyone who flatters him.
You know, the key to Donald Trump's heart is to be nice to Donald Trump.
And so it doesn't matter if you're a horrible regime.
It doesn't matter if you're totalitarian like Kim Jong-un.
It doesn't matter if you're, you know, Saudi princes.
If you're nice to Donald Trump, Donald Trump finds it very difficult to say anything negative about you.
QAnon.
Right, QAnon very recently.
Back during the Charlottesville rally, the Unite the Right rally, Richard Spencer, three years ago, President Trump, listen, they'll say that Donald Trump said that the neo-Nazis who murdered someone with their car were fine people.
Obviously, if you look at the transcript, he never said that.
He was referring to people who were marching.
And he explicitly said, I am not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white supremacists.
Nevertheless, for me, for my taste, the president played footsie with the alt-right during the 2016 election, and I wish that he'd had a more full-throated rebuke even during the Charlottesville time.
Nevertheless, here we are three years later, and we still hear that.
By the way, as far as I can tell, you don't get fact-checked by Twitter or Facebook or Google if you say that the president called Nazis fine people.
So I'm telling you, As a Trump skeptic, something I don't like about the president, I think that it's a character flaw on his part that he's afraid to give a full-throated rebuttal of horrible people if those people are in any way supportive of him.
And yet, and yet, and yet, the left is burning down major American cities.
Seattle, on fire.
Portland, on file.
Fire.
Wisconsin.
Minnesota.
All these states have cities on fire as we speak.
Right outside the White House itself.
A sitting senator being accosted by protesters.
Many videos that came out today.
I got punched in the head.
That's right.
Horrible violence.
And actual deaths.
Like, not just one.
Many, many people have been hurt.
I believe 30 at this point have been killed in the vast number of riots that we've seen.
That's right.
Will the left condemn this for any reason at all?
And then the answer comes.
It comes from on high.
They are, in fact, finally, three months later, willing to condemn it because it hurts the polling for Joe Biden.
Don Lemon of CNN goes on the air and actually has this to say.
Do we have that clip 14?
The rioting has to stop.
Chris, as you know and I know, it's showing up in the polling.
It's showing up in focus groups.
It is the only thing, it is the only thing right now that is sticking.
And the Democrats tonight stuck with that, right?
And they also stuck with the theme that you said, the coronavirus.
You got coronavirus and you have Kenosha.
That's it.
Matt, when you see this kind of unbelievable hypocrisy, I know you were a Trump skeptic, as were Ben and I. Drew's not here to say that...
I'm the only pro-Trump guy.
You're pro-Trump, but you're not likely to tell me that it was an act of sheer genius when the president said that there were fine people on both sides.
It was an act of sheer...
Matt, does this give you pause about your support for the president?
Well, look, I mean, obviously there's no scenario where we'd be better off with the Democrats.
So that's always been my position and why I was, you know, I've always been pretty sure I'm going to vote for Donald Trump.
There's never a chance of me voting for anybody else, certainly.
And I certainly am now.
But here's my concern is that, you know, Because we all have the memory of house flies, my concern is that this very cynical move by the Democrats may actually pay off.
I know, you know, recently I've been thinking because of all the rioting, well, there's just no way Donald Trump can lose.
There's no way that, I mean, it turns out people don't like having their houses and their businesses burned down.
People actually are against that.
But if the Democrats and all these rioters, of course, are Democrats, if they realize what they're doing and say, hey, we're going to hold off now until the next Republican is president I wonder if come election day, because it's a couple months behind us, everyone's already forgotten about it.
I kind of think in order for this to matter, in order for riots to affect the way people vote, it needs to be happening as they're voting.
It needs to be that present in their mind.
I guess that's a good question.
Can they put the genie back in the bottle?
I mean, the cynical play by the left is to have unleashed these rioters, winked at these rioters, actually supported, openly supported, paid for their bail.
But they don't control the rioters.
Michael, can they stop this?
This is the issue.
When you play with fire, you might get burned.
People sometimes say, if we get into a war, here's what's going to happen.
And then the first month it'll be this, and six months later it'll be this.
You can't.
Once war starts, once things spiral away from law and order, they get out of your control and you can't control them.
And it's this issue, to this point about the alt-right and Trump playing footsie with anybody.
Donald Trump has been saying since the 90s, since the first time he thought about running for president, he said that David Duke is a Hitler lover, right?
He's condemned these sorts of people.
And he's done it again and again and again, specifically on David Duke, such that in 2016 he actually said, how many times do I have to talk about David Duke?
I don't know David Duke.
I hate David Duke.
He's a bad guy, whatever.
He was joking about that.
Just last week, Richard Spencer, the guy who was behind the Charlottesville rally, he's probably the most prominent white identitarian in the country, he endorsed Joe Biden.
And he said, I'm not doing this ironically.
I think Biden is more competent than Trump, so I'm going to vote for Joe Biden.
You'll never hear a peep about that.
You will never be asked to condemn anybody.
Even Don Lemon there, he doesn't say, I'm condemning these people.
He's just saying, it's not good politics, guys.
Calm down for a little bit.
So the question becomes, do we even play their game?
They will never be asked to condemn the riots.
And so why do we always play on their footing?
Why are we always playing defense when they're only playing offense?
It's the genius of...
I wanted to make the genius.
I think that was good.
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I totally...
I totally agree with Matt, and I'm very, very concerned that the memory span of the American public is a guppy.
And I am really worried because what the Democrats have basically realized in the last week is, hey, wait a second.
For several months here running, we've basically not only ignored the violence in America's major cities.
We have suggested that Donald Trump is a fascist, an outright fascist, for attempting to stop the violence in America's major cities.
They have termed rioters and looters protesters for purposes of calling Trump a fascist for sending federal forces into places like Portland or for threatening to send federal forces into places like Seattle.
Remember, Tom Cotton's op-ed calling for the use of the Insurrection Act to stop rioting and looting was seen as such a threat to, quote unquote, protesters that they fired the op-ed editor of The New York Times for running the thing.
So they've been running this interference game where they conflate the rioters and the looters and the protesters for months.
Okay, so they were able to get away with this and say that no violence is occurring, right?
Like two days ago, the CNN Chiron, while a guy was on screen talking about things on fire behind him, was fiery but mostly peaceful protests, which, as Bridget Phetasy said, is like the Titanic coverage saying, watery but mostly safe voyage, right?
Like that.
That's not the way this works.
They've been playing this game where violence is a figment of your imagination.
We've all been going nuts, right?
Tearing out our hair.
Well, in the last two days, the Democrats realized there's a problem.
And so now Joe Biden is planning, apparently, there's that chyron.
Apparently, Joe Biden is now playing this game where he is going to go to Wisconsin.
He's going to go to Minneapolis.
And he's going to make speeches saying that the rioting and the looting are bad.
Now, you can guarantee the first 35 minutes of each one of those speeches, or the first 35 seconds, because you can't do a 35-minute speech, first 35 seconds of that will be dedicated to how America is systemically racist and completely evil.
And all of the anger that we're seeing in the streets is justified anger.
It's just that the violence itself is unnecessary.
Now, we know that's exactly what he's going to say.
Come on, man.
That's exactly what he said, right?
He actually made a statement.
And his condemnation of the violence was it made him sick to his stomach.
It didn't make him sick to his stomach to watch entire cities burn.
It didn't make him sick to his stomach to watch what happened to David Dorn.
It made him sick to his stomach to see what happened to Jacob Blake.
That's what he said because it happened in broad daylight and a police officer shot this guy directly in the back.
Kamala Harris, by the way, says no investigation really necessary.
Convict the officers, indict and convict the officers.
And so Joe Biden basically trots along with the narrative put out by the rioters and the looters.
And then he says, but guys, really, this isn't necessary because if you elect me, I'm just going to do all that stuff for you.
I'm going to go ahead and I'm just going to make the policy changes that you want me to make.
Is that going to be effective in shutting down the rioting and the looting?
Well, if these guys are smart, then yeah, it will be because they're basically getting what they want.
But I think some of them don't give a crap about any of this.
I think what they give a crap about is mainly burning things.
And so eventually the question is going to be whether Democratic mayors decide to shut it down with use of force.
Matt, you were one to jump in there, I think.
Yeah, well, I think of the irony here.
I really think that the short attention span of the American people is the number one challenge for political campaigns.
Now, I think it just redefines everything.
I think we might look back and say that the Monica Lewinsky scandal was the last real political scandal in history, because it's the last one that people really talked about for, you know, years, really.
We just don't do that anymore.
So the irony is that The thing that has helped Trump and that has made him sort of Teflon for the last three years may be turning against him.
Because you think about all these scandals, whether real or imagined, that in the past would have just totally destroyed.
Starting with the Access Hollywood tape, you know, just a couple weeks before the election.
I mean, you think back.
In history, it seems like that would have completely destroyed politicians.
It didn't touch him, I think.
And we assumed it's because of something particular about his character and who he is that these things don't stick.
I think that's part of it.
But I also think it's just that's the way in our media-saturated culture.
And you think about impeachment.
I mean, the Democrats didn't even talk about impeachment at their own convention because even something like impeachment used to be a huge deal.
It's only happened a few times in history.
No one's talking about that anymore.
We've already moved on from it, which for good reason.
So now I'm just wondering if this is flipped against Trump and the thing that should stick to the Democrats won't.
We also need to make sure we don't let elected Democrats distance themselves from the rioters, which is what they're trying to do.
We use all these terms.
BLM, Antifa, rioters, protesters.
They're Democrats.
They're Democrats doing things on behalf of Democrats.
There are elected Democrats and prominent media Democrats who have directly called for these kinds of riots and this kind of violence.
Maxine Waters said, when you see Republicans in the streets, mob them, surround them, create a crowd.
You had Chris Cuomo on CNN saying that protests don't need to be peaceful because he hasn't read the First Amendment.
You had Hillary Clinton say that you can't be civil...
With a political party that disagrees with you.
You can't be civil.
What's the opposite of civil?
What does that leave room for?
These are some of the most prominent Democrats in the country.
They told these rioters to go out and get violent.
That's what they did.
And we shouldn't let the elected Democrats get off the hook for what they're going to try to do for the next several weeks.
Yeah, if only there was an organization devoted to reporting on the actual things that are said by politicians, you might actually have a prayer of some of this sticking.
But Matt, to your point, the news cycle moves so fast now and Democrats have absolutely no incentive.
To put the focus anywhere except on orange man bad.
And they basically want to destroy Donald Trump through a thousand paper cuts, right?
They've realized no single scandal is going to bring him down.
And so instead, it's sort of a shotgun approach where every single day they make you believe that Trump...
Here's the latest outrage, the latest outrage, the latest outrage from Donald Trump.
And you see it working.
A lot of our friends...
Listen, I didn't vote for the president in 2016.
The only thing that kept me from being a prominent never-Trumper is that I'm not prominent.
But it wasn't for lack of trying, you know.
I famously wrote that I thought, during the last Republican National Convention, I said that for conservatives, the election was already lost no matter what went on to happen in November.
And even I can tell you that I've watched many of our peers who were in that Never Trump movement in 2016 actually fall for this sort of media approach wherein they are outraged by every outrage and so they are in a constant state of being outraged no matter what the actual thing is, no matter whether it's actually relevant to No matter whether it's actually true, it's sort of like conspiracy.
All conspiracy theories basically thrive on the preponderance of false evidence.
You know, somebody will say, if we really landed on the moon, then if there's only one source of light on the moon, why are there two shadows?
There's actually two sources of light.
There's the sun and the moon.
And they go, which reflects so much light that you can read in the dark during a full moon on Earth 200,000 miles away.
They go, oh, but the flag, why did the flag wave if there's no air?
And the radiation belt.
Yeah, what about the Van Allen radiation belt?
In other words, no matter, you can't speak to enough of these things, they can just move right on to the next hour.
And that's the approach that the media has taken with the president.
Although, I will say, I think they thought they had a silver bullet.
They did try that strategy for years on end.
And I think they thought they had the silver bullet in the coronavirus.
And that's why they're really kind of two themes.
And they keep going back to it, right?
You saw in the last couple nights of the RNC, as it became absolutely clear that the Democrats completely blew it when it came to violence in the major cities.
The entire media immediately swiveled to, ah, but look at how there's a crowd on the South Lawn.
They're not wearing masks.
They're sitting right next to each other.
That was the coverage last night.
The coverage last night was all, look at these terrible people who are sitting there right next to each other and breathing on each other.
What about the people who are going to try to mug them when they leave the White House?
What about that crowd?
And this is how you know what insane hypocrites they are.
Literally, the next day, there are 50,000 people on the National Mall standing directly next to each other, most of them not wearing masks.
And the media don't mention one time social distancing or mask wearing.
I think that the Democrats thought that COVID was going to continue to be the chief issue in everybody's mind all the way up till November.
I don't think they're right about this.
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So, one of the questions that we've been debating since the very beginning of this election, I think we talked about it last week after the DNC, I have maintained from the very beginning that there would never be any circumstance in which the Democrats would put Joe Biden on a debate stage.
With Donald Trump.
This last week, after seeing the performance that the president gave, seeing the overall performance of all the Republicans at the RNC, how they were willing to take the fight to the Democrats, and after the Speaker of the House herself, Nancy Pelosi, actually floated the idea of Joe Biden not doing a debate.
I was the only one last week who said that there wouldn't be a debate.
I think I put a little money on the line.
I want to go around the horn and see if you guys have had the opportunity to realize just how right I am.
Michael, what are you thinking?
I would have disagreed a couple of weeks ago, but I think now it's becoming more likely.
They had had these op-ed columnists, these Democrats, floating this idea that Biden doesn't debate.
That didn't stick.
Now you have Pelosi.
She's the most powerful elected Democrat in the country.
She's floating it.
It's a little more serious.
Ben and I were talking about this a little bit earlier today.
The one reason why I think Biden still has to debate is because the convention didn't work for the Democrats.
It's not even just because the Democrats are burning down the country.
The convention was supposed to give them a boost in the polls.
You don't really see that.
Choosing a vice president was supposed to give you a boost in the polls.
That did not happen.
Actually, Rasmussen showed that it hurt Joe Biden.
And I suspect, we don't have the numbers yet, but I suspect that President Trump is going to get even more of a boost out of the RNC. So the numbers are not trending in Biden's direction.
And I think if he shows the cowardice of not going up and debating, that it's going to hurt him even more.
So my money is still slightly on his going and showing up to some kind of debate, but it's pretty clear at this point the party itself does not want him on that stage.
Well, I'll tell you what's really got me, what's reinforced for me that there won't be a debate, and it's that on social media, all the Democrats who, listen, people with whom I'm personal, Friends have all started saying that Donald Trump doesn't want to debate and that Donald Trump is asking for a fourth debate to set up for the idea that he won't do any debates because Biden won't do a fourth debate.
In other words, they are projecting.
That's right.
Ben, what do you think?
No, I think Biden has to debate.
I mean, at this point, the election is too close.
And it is.
I mean, people are looking at that national number as though the national number matters.
And the national number does not matter.
They're running up the score in California.
They're running up the score in New York.
But you can see the polls have narrowed considerably in the last couple of weeks in virtually every swing state.
He's now back in the lead in North Carolina, which obviously he has to win.
But the lead is basically down to zero in Minnesota.
That's because I can't think of any other reason other than the riots in Minneapolis.
The numbers are going to close extremely fast in Wisconsin.
I think that Trump right now has the upper hand in Wisconsin.
What Trump really needs...
In the same way that Barack Obama doubled down on the voters who brought him victory in 2008 and actually lost some votes from 2008 to 2012 and then won re-election because he got the people who loved him the most to show up in even greater numbers.
That's kind of what Trump is doing with rural areas.
So he's saying, you know what?
I can compete a little bit in the suburbs.
I'm going to give up the cities almost completely.
I need the people in rural areas to show up like twice as much.
And Kenosha is not a big city.
Kenosha is a town of 100,000 people.
It is not in the top 100 American cities.
There are lots of towns of 100,000 people in the United States.
And towns like Kenosha are going to turn out en masse and vote for Donald Trump.
I think that he's now got the upper hand in Wisconsin.
I think he's running even in Michigan.
Remember, he doesn't need to win All three of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin needs to win one of those and maintain all the rest of the other states.
So if he wins Minnesota, then he can even lose another state, right?
So he needs to win Florida.
Florida really is the big one no one's talking about because Florida, Biden seems to have a fairly solid five to seven point lead in most of the polls.
But even in Florida, things are starting to close a little bit now.
And I think that because Florida actually handled COVID correctly, thanks to Governor Ron DeSantis, I think that you're going to start to see some more enthusiasm for President Trump as the economy starts to reopen there.
So this election is far from over.
It shows you how quickly this sort of widespread perception that Biden is way ahead is dissipating, that he is now forced to travel to all the places that Hillary Clinton refused to travel last time.
Matt, you haven't been part of our bet up until this point.
Where are you on the issue of the debates?
Yeah, well, I got to agree with you, Jeremy, or maybe you agree with me.
Maybe I'll phrase it that way.
I don't—I could only really answer this along the lines of what do I think he should do, whether or not he'll do what I think he should do is a different question.
But I don't see any reason or any positive, real positive for Biden in debating Trump, because you just have to think, okay— What you have to look at is if it goes really, really well for Biden, how much will he gain from that?
As opposed to if it goes really, really poorly for him, how much will he lose?
And I think he stands to lose a hell of a lot more than he stands to gain, especially because you're debating Donald Trump.
I happen to think that, I guess I differ from a lot of conservatives, I think that Donald Trump is abysmal in debates, I think he's really bad, and he tends to be kind of low energy too, actually, in debates, but what he does, he only needs like one line, he'll just have one little, it could go for three hours, but like with Hillary, he just had one line, terrible performance, one time he just said, if I'm elected, you'll go to jail, and And that was it.
That was the only thing.
It was the only thing that defined that entire debate.
So you're debating a guy who just needs to have one little one little line like that.
And at the same time, you're also from Biden's perspective, you're also senile.
So just the risk is is extremely high for him.
And I just don't see all he really has to do is cite Hunter Biden and then call Joe Biden senile.
And it gets real ugly for Joe real fast.
Yeah.
Because once Joe gets agitated, he just, he can't get it back.
I mean, you've seen this in his public appearances, and people keep ignoring this, that even Joe Biden on teleprompter is better than Joe Biden off teleprompter.
That's right.
When he does these public appearances, every time somebody asks him a question that he doesn't like, he starts challenging them to fistfights.
Come on, man.
Hey, fat.
Hey, fat.
That was a solid one.
Hey, orange, you want to go out back and push-ups in the street with a brawl?
That's what I'm talking about.
I also don't want to just blow over something that Ben just said, which is about Minnesota.
Minnesota is a blue state.
Ronald Reagan won 49 states in 1984.
He didn't win Minnesota.
Minnesota right now, if you've got Donald Trump and Joe Biden running neck and neck, that is not a good sign for the Democratic Party.
And you look at the national polls...
That's not how the election is going to be decided.
It's going to go state by state.
And you're seeing the direct effect of the riots in Minnesota.
Those riots, those protests, have only been spreading the last couple of months.
What does that mean for other states?
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So here we are.
The conventions are past.
Maybe there will be debates.
Maybe there won't.
The House is divided here 50-50 on that question.
Although, Matt, I do like how you said that, that there's what he should do and what he will do.
That's always the case in politics.
Almost no one in politics ever does what they should do.
They almost exclusively do what they think they're supposed to do.
And that's one of the reasons that we find ourselves in all the trouble that we're in this country.
Nevertheless, here we are.
We're in the run-up to the election.
Typically, somewhere in the next five weeks, some sort of earth-shattering surprise enters the election.
Famously in 2016, it was the all-access tape, right?
The all-access tape drops only a few weeks out from the election.
We all think Donald Trump's campaign is finished.
In 2008, it was the actual collapse of the American economy.
What's it going to be this time?
I mean, there's no way 2020 doesn't give us the craziest curveball.
I was literally about to say this.
So, channeling our friend, our late departed friend, Andrew Klavan.
So, Andrew Klavan.
Bless his soul.
He'll be missed.
He has said before that it sometimes feels like we're one plot twist short.
As a guy who writes novels, Drew has a very good feel for sort of, there needs to be one more plot twist in order to make this plot really run.
And believe it or not, despite the fact that the writers of 2020 have gone all out.
I mean, they've done everything from hurricanes to cities burning to COVID-19.
Like, literally all the...
Bernie Sanders, like all the storylines.
We're still a couple of plot twists short.
I feel like there's one fairly predictable plot twist that is going to happen, and that is going to be the clear exposure of the fact that Joe Biden is not a healthy man.
And the reason that I say that is because in 2016, we had the exact same thing.
For months and months on end, people kept saying, Hillary Clinton does not look good.
Hillary Clinton does not look like she is good.
Quite as lively as normal.
She's not on the campaign trail very much.
Remember, people were making a big deal out of her hacking cough.
And these days, that would have a completely different connotation because of COVID. But she was kind of hacking away.
And people were like, she really doesn't sound good.
She looks tired.
She doesn't feel with it.
And then, remember, it was a conspiracy theory.
Conspiracy theory, conspiracy theory.
And then there she is at the 9-11 memorial, and then she collapses into a van.
And everybody's like, whoa, hold up.
Are we allowed to ask questions now about her state of health?
And she said that it was about dehydration, and it wasn't anything else, and people were very suspicious.
I feel like Joe Biden has been staving off the fact that he is a vastly diminished person.
I mean, all you have to do is watch it.
It was so funny.
There are literally people in the Democratic media, and they are.
They are the Democratic establishment party media.
It's insane.
I mean, I've never seen the whole merger of the media and the Democratic Party the way that we have seen in the recent past.
It's crazy, and I've been watching it my entire life.
It's never reached this level.
They will literally call you a conspiracy theorist if you play a tape of Joe Biden from eight years ago.
If you play a tape of him with Paul Ryan, where he's being his smarmy self, but he's at least with it, and then you play a tape of him now slurring his words and falling off at the end of sentences and forgetting where he is, they're like, "Oh, that's a conspiracy theory.
"He's fine.
"Everything's good.
"He's riding a bike.
"Everything's fine." Well, all it takes is one moment of complete lack of clarity in public.
And like real lack of clarity, not in the basement, right?
Something that really shakes people up.
And again, I don't think, not only is this not unprecedented, it's happened repeatedly in American politics with elderly candidates.
I mean, Bob Dole fell off the stage in 1996.
There are all sorts of concerns about Bob Dole's health, and then he fell off the stage.
And people are like, oh, well, you know, he's a clumsy oaf, and also he's old, and what are we going to do about that?
And they voted for Bill Clinton.
And they voted for Bill Clinton.
And so I feel like that's the predictable twist.
There's going to be some other twist, some black swan event that I can't predict, but that one seems fairly obvious.
And the more he's out in public, the better the chance something like that happens, I think.
I'm not rooting for it.
I just think that that's a reality.
When you're 78 years old, and you are not who you once were, and they're asking 15-hour days of you campaigning, Are they going to have him out in public?
I mean, I guess that's the question.
I think they have to.
Yeah, I sort of doubt that he's going to actually hit the campaign trail, but I do agree.
I think he's going to have to debate, and debates are long experiences, and President Trump has already said he wants Biden to take a drug test before, so they don't just pump him full of uppers so he can get through an hour of debate.
You know, the question is on the October surprise.
not just something that happens naturally, but something that the campaigns have been holding on to in two weeks before the election, like the Access Hollywood tape, you're going to release it.
And I don't know what they're going to do on Biden.
And I don't know what they're going to do on Biden.
You know, Biden's been in public life for a very long time.
You know, Biden's been in public life for a very long time.
The rumor, among all these other stupid rumors that they talk about with President Trump, is they're going to have some member of the Trump family on tape criticizing him and talking about how terrible he is, one of his children or Melania or something like that.
To which I would respond, getting a wife on tape complaining about her husband is not exactly a man bites dog story.
That is a sort of natural thing in the flow of marriages.
The trouble is, I mean, if something like that is the best they've got, it's nothing.
They've already thrown at President Trump everything.
Everything they've got.
I mean, they've invented things and those haven't stuck.
So it's hard to imagine that they've got any October surprise left.
Don't you think we'll see a leak of his tax records?
I think that's what we're going to see.
And I think, of course, they're going to have some tape of Melania saying something bad.
But to your point, unless it's something truly hideous, I just can't imagine it sticking.
I think it's the tax records.
And the spectrum of truly hideous for Trump is not the spectrum of truly hideous.
No, no, no.
I mean, Melania could be like, yeah, he's off in the closet banging nine women at the same time.
Or I'll be like...
USA! USA! Matt, what do you think?
Yeah, well, first of all, the idea that wives complain about their husband, I'm sure my wife has never complained about me one time.
No, you're right.
You're right.
But I also, you know, I wonder if everything is baked in for both of these guys.
I mean, you talk about the health issue.
This is one of the reasons why I say he's not going to debate it, because exactly what Ben's talking about, a moment where he really appears to just lose it and freeze.
That's the risk.
And so why would you Even take that risk, especially when you can get out of it just by setting some standard or something Trump needs to do in order for you to debate.
I mean, really anything.
It could be something with racial justice.
Trump needs to pledge to do this or that thing that he's not going to do.
And then you can always say, well, I want to debate, but he won't do it, so we're not going to debate.
But even with the health thing, I wonder if...
Short of something really catastrophic.
I kind of think it would have to come out that Biden is currently dead.
Anything short of that, I wonder if people are just going to say, well, yeah, he's an old guy, and we know that, but the reason we're electing him is because he's not Trump, number one.
And number two, he's a transitional candidate, so we don't even need him to be healthy for the entire term.
We just need a Democrat in there.
We just need to win.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Interesting.
The one thing we know is that we don't know everything yet.
That's one of the reasons, by the way, that I hate this whole idea of early voting.
And both parties are really calling for early voting right now.
Because when parties are desperate and in times of corruption, they always call on early voting.
You shouldn't vote early.
Listen, I've been open about this.
Ben and I, when we first started the company, we agreed...
We don't think that the highest level of transparency attainable for a media organization is to peddle the lie of objectivity.
We think that the highest level of transparency is to own your biases.
And so I've been open about my biases at every point along this journey.
And you know that I'm most likely going to vote for Donald Trump in 2020 after having not voted for the president in 2016, which I also told you at the time.
Nevertheless, the reason I say most likely to vote for Donald Trump in 2020 is because there are still I grant the possibility that there are things that we do not yet know.
Could any of those things cause me to vote for a Democrat?
Listen, it's not impossible that I would vote for a Democrat for president.
It would have to be like one step short of revolution.
Like you would have to believe that the Republican candidate was such a clear and present danger to the country that you couldn't even leave it to chance.
Right.
That you'd be voting against everything you believe in would mean that whatever that person represented would have to be even more of what you don't believe in.
Is that likely to happen in this situation?
Of course not.
As you said, they've thrown everything they've got at President Trump.
I think we know most of what there is to know about him.
Nevertheless, I do believe you're supposed to keep your options open.
You're supposed to make these guys earn your votes.
And it's possible that there could be things that made it impossible for you to pull the lever for someone.
Vote early, this term that everyone's using, used to be connected to another term, vote often.
Vote early and vote often.
And it really is the same thing now.
It's just a little wink at...
A little wink of corruption.
But absolutely, I think that...
Quick note on this, by the way.
Please, yeah.
So it's kind of amazing how both parties box them in with regard to the procedures of voting.
So Donald Trump, on the one hand, he was like, mail-in voting, it's a threat to the republic.
Mail-in voting is really, really bad.
Oppose universal mail-in.
And by the way, he is correct, that universal mail-in voting, which is not the same as an absentee ballot, It's really, really bad.
The idea that you're just going to be at home and somebody's going to send you a ballot, and then we're going to have ballot harvesters who, like you, because they know which party you're a member of, they're going to show up at your front door, and you weren't going to vote because you really didn't care, but now you're going to vote because the ballot harvester shows up.
That's right for fraud.
That's the best case scenario of what happens.
It's right for, at the very least, massive confusion because the standards are very unclear.
Politically, it is malfeasance to talk about how bad it is to do mail-in voting because you've now convinced your entire base not to do mail-in voting.
Which, by the way, is why Trump then reversed himself in Florida.
He's like, wait a second, there are a bunch of old people who are gonna vote for me in Florida.
Mail-in voting in Florida is good.
Everywhere else is bad.
In Florida, it's very good.
The Democrats, because they're idiots, Did the precise opposite mistake.
They were like, you know what?
It's super dangerous to go to the polls, guys.
The only thing that's important is mail-in voting.
Mail-in voting is super duper important.
You should never, ever go out and vote on the day of the election because you might spread the COVID. And Donald Trump is trying to skew the election by stopping the mail-in voting.
So what's going to happen?
Democrats aren't going to show up on election day because they're going to be afraid of COVID, right?
So now the Democrats are starting to...
It's so amusing to watch.
The Democrats are starting to be like, you know what?
Maybe we can vote in person now.
Maybe we can't...
The NBA, they went on strike for literally 3.7 seconds.
The WNBA went on strike and their fan was super pissed.
The NBA went on strike and for like 3.7 seconds they were on strike.
And then they realized, wait a second...
We're striking literally against our own business because we're idiots.
And then they came back.
And the concession they received from the owners is the owners said that they would use their arenas for voting places.
Well, wait a second.
I thought five seconds ago it was super dangerous to vote in person.
But now, apparently not.
Do you get the feeling that COVID is ever like a political thing for the Democrats?
Ever just a little bit?
Like the COVID handling is just a little bit?
How dare you?
Quick note, by the way, I think that as a political matter, we should open a show on Broadway just for the sake of saying that Broadway should be open.
Because they've had zero deaths and zero cases in Manhattan for weeks at this point, and they're still not opening that place because of the political incentive structure.
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That's the only one I could do.
Is that even a state anymore?
I thought that Gorsuch gave that one away.
We've drifted well off of the reservation, but I think it's actually an inappropriate joke under the shirt.
Yeah.
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Nevertheless, because they're watching, and because we have the Matt Walsh, the theocratic fascist himself, on the show, I know that people will be devastated if we don't have one Protestant-Catholic argument.
Yeah.
And so what I... I'm just going to stay over here, guys.
Go at it.
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There's no place for you in this conversation, my friend.
What I want to talk about, actually, is the Catholicism...
It's why the Pope is terrible.
Go!
And I don't mean just Pope.
I'm in the papacy itself, historically.
Martin Luther deserves a theme song, but if he has one, I don't know what it is.
No, what I want to talk about is the Catholicism of Democrats.
Because we live in a country where every Democrat...
Is Catholic.
Every pro-abortion Democrat in the country is Catholic.
Now, to my understanding, you're not even allowed to, basically half of them aren't even allowed to take communion in Catholic churches.
Nevertheless, what is it?
You can answer this either way.
I'm setting it up as being a jerk because of our Protestant-Catholic debates, but I'm actually very curious about it, so don't take this as a jab.
I want to know what the relationship between Democrat politicians and Catholicism is.
Why one wields the other, and which is wielding which?
Matt?
I was just going to look up, I didn't have a chance, I was going to look up statistics, how many Democrats are Catholic versus Protestant, because I'm pretty sure...
I'm pretty sure there are more Protestants, but I don't have a chance.
They're more Protestant, but Catholics are split.
If you look at just Democrats, they're more Protestant.
But if you look at Catholics, for some reason, they're split 50-50, even though the Catholic Church does not permit you to support many of the things the Democratic Party.
But I guess what I would say, too, what I would say in all sincerity is that Yes, there may very well be more Protestant Democrats, and there may very well be more or an equal number of Catholics who are Republican, but that's not really the question.
The question is about Democrat politicians who operate against everything that the church stands for, nevertheless willed Catholicism somewhat uniquely.
Yeah, I think the reason, there are a few reasons for it, but first of all, these are sort of like legacy Catholics that were grandfathered in.
So as the Democrat Party has shifted, and we know that their grandparents and their family has been Catholic, but So, as a shift in the Democratic Party has happened, it also has happened in the church in America.
And part of the problem is, you point out a lot of these Democrats aren't supposed to be taking communion, or they can't take communion, and that's true.
I mean, none of them should be taking communion because they all support open sin.
sin.
They're all committing the sin of scandal, a mortal sin by supporting abortion.
So not a single one of them is allowed to take communion.
But the problem is precisely that almost all of them are.
It's very rare you hear about one of these guys actually being turned down communion.
And when it does happen, the thing is that the priest who does it is shipped out of town because a lot of these bishops in America today are basically bureaucrats, not that far from the Democrat politicians themselves.
So I think if the rules were actually enforced and these Democrats had to endure the humiliation of being turned down for communion and that sort of thing, and actually being rebuked by their bishops, then I don't think you're going to have as many Democrats identifying themselves as Catholic.
But that doesn't happen.
So they identify themselves that way because they can and no one stops them.
Yeah, I mean, Joe Biden is obviously an apostate who does not believe in the faith.
And he is obviously in a state of grave mortal sin, as Matt just mentioned, this sin of scandal.
But you see it even beyond the abortion question.
It is not acceptable for faithful Catholics to support socialism.
You can't do it.
There have been many papal encyclicals on this topic.
Rerum Novarum, Quota Apostolici Muneris, Centesimus Annus.
I mean, it goes on and on and on.
You cannot do it.
Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
The trouble is, there are many people who identify as Catholic who don't really believe in the faith.
Part of this may be because the Catholic Church, in the Christian tradition, believes in infant baptism.
Whereas more modern iterations of Protestantism over the last two or three hundred years have rejected infant baptism to varying degrees.
Many Protestants do support infant baptism.
So when it comes to more evangelical or modern Christian Protestant denominations, they believe that it requires this active will that you have to do when you're 20 years old or 25 years old.
And so you're much more conscious of it.
One thing you'll notice is the most conservative people in the country very often We'll be Catholics.
If you think of people like Bill Buckley, Phyllis Schlafly, Russell Kirk, these guys are often Catholic, and yet there are so many liberal politicians, Mario Cuomo, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, who at least say that they're Catholic, but they're not.
One thing that I would point to for these really conservative Catholics is they're all reverts, or they're all converts.
They're people who did either float away from the faith, and then they came back to it, Or they chose it from some other religion.
And therefore, they're thinking very consciously about it.
I wish that these polls reflected and these politicians reflected people who actually practice the faith versus people who are merely identifying in that way, in the same way that someone like Douglas Murray would identify as a Christian atheist, which is obviously preposterous, but it is getting at something alluding to a history or a tradition or an aesthetic.
And Ben, you could probably speak to this very clearly between people who practice Come on!
Come on!
It had to come up at some point, but it was...
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