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Oct. 11, 2017 - The Michael Knowles Show
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Ep. 39 - Day of the Girl ft. Blaire White

The incomparable and iconoclastic Blaire White to discuss what the Left gets wrong on transgenderism, the problems with LGBT activism, and which pronouns we should all be using. Then Erielle Davidson and Amber Athey join the Panel of Deplorables to talk Eminem’s terrible rap performance, but I repeat myself, fat kids, and how the Boy Scouts have officially become the Girl Scouts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Today, we have the great privilege of being joined by the incomparable and iconoclastic Blair White to discuss what the left gets wrong on transgenderism, the problems with LGBT activism, and which pronouns we should all be using.
Then, Ariel Davidson and Amber Athie join the panel of deplorables to talk Eminem's terrible rap performance, but I repeat myself, fat kids, and how the Boy Scouts have officially become the Girl Scouts.
I'm Michael Knowles and this is The Michael Knowles Show.
Blair, thank you for coming today.
We have you in studio, which is excellent.
Now, this is a total coincidence, but it's probably just providential.
Today, we booked you just for today.
We didn't realize it.
It is international.
No, it's National Coming Out Day and International Day of the Girl.
That is a tremendous coincidence.
Well, it's a good thing you brought the girl.
We have the girl in studio.
Now, for those of you who don't know Blair, I would be surprised if anybody doesn't know Blair at this point, but check out this video.
It's my view, however, that while the truth can be harsh, it can't be bigoted.
And I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I've never had a problem swallowing the truth, and I actually think there's a power in recognizing the truth.
Because it'll set you free and such.
Transgenderism is a mental disorder.
So aside from that, there is a tiny portion of the population that are transsexuals, such as yours truly.
I'm a biological male who was born that way and will die that way.
However, as my luck would only have it, Mother Nature kind of fucked me and gave me the inclinations of a female.
There's been a number of studies that have shown that male to female transsexuals have similar brain structures and activity to that of biological women.
Because of that, I decided to take it upon myself to seek out the help of medicine to transition or physically resemble the body of a woman to the best of my ability.
So, in any sense other than legally, I guess, this doesn't mean that I changed my sex.
This doesn't mean that I am an invented new sex.
It simply means that I personally found it necessary to live as and resemble the opposite sex in the pursuit of my own happiness.
I don't know if you could hear that.
I could.
You just made the computers of every lefty who watches this show explode.
They just exploded.
Their houses are on fire.
I'm actually only kidding because no lefties watch my show.
You are like a voice of reason on this whole issue.
You yourself are transgender, but you're not insisting that there's a third gender or a fifth gender or a 250th gender.
You're not suggesting that you've become metaphysically a woman, but you do resemble a woman.
Obviously, you don't look like a man.
Therefore it follows naturally that you would be shunned by the online transgender community.
Absolutely.
You know, I try to take, at least in my eyes, a realistic approach to describing transgenderism, the experience of being trans, etc.
And all the trans activists, of course, hate me.
LGBT activists in general.
I often call myself like the black sheep of the trans community.
Why do they?
I actually saw on Twitter someone said there were like seven kinds of trans people.
And you were a category.
And someone said just blue.
You were your own category.
Yeah.
There was like right wing, left wing, blue wing.
Why do they resist you?
Why are they so offended when you say things that are obviously true, that are common sense?
You know, I just think there's a particular narrative that is acceptable at this point in time, and anything else diverging from that is just hated.
It's hate facts, as they call them, yeah.
Absolutely.
You know, the whole topic of trans being a mental disorder, that's literally just a fact.
It's just a definition, yeah.
It is.
If you want to be more precise, gender dysphoria is, but transgenderism is the state of having gender dysphoria.
So, for me, it's kind of like, I don't know why that's such a...
An inflammatory statement because people have all kinds of disorders.
People have anxiety, depression, OCD, autism, everything.
So I've never understood why it's so terrible to say that or admit that.
And to say that I'm a man, I was born a man, I have the body of a man, but there's something in my psyche that makes me think that I'm a woman, makes me identify more as a woman, makes me want to be a woman.
What is so hateful about acknowledging that reality?
Nothing.
And the thing about it is that when you lay it out that way, it actually helps people who maybe would not understand trans people understand.
The whole problem with trans activists and the trans community is they don't bridge the gap between the right and the left.
They stay on the left and they only adhere to those talking points.
Other than Caitlyn Jenner.
Caitlyn Jenner is the one who voted Trump, right?
Yeah, but still probably not the best spokesperson.
Fair enough.
So still not doing it the way it should be done.
But...
The thing about it is when it comes to this whole topic, everyone just talks past each other and no one gets anything done.
So I prefer to leave the emotional arguments out of it when it comes to trans stuff.
Because it makes more sense to people on the right and those are my people as well.
You know what I mean?
Would you call yourself on the right?
Yeah, for sure.
For sure.
And that's why I feel like I'm a bit more understanding of the rights difficulties understanding trans people.
And that's why, really, other than me, you mentioned Caitlyn Jenner, there really are no other people doing shows like this and doing right-wing shows and really bridging that gap and able to communicate to those people.
And was your family right-wing?
I mean, did you come from a...
Republican family or are you the political black sheep of the family?
It was half and half.
My mom's side was the liberal side.
My dad's side was the conservative side.
So that made for an interesting dichotomy as far as growing up trans as well.
I've kind of always been like in the middle of everything, you know, being trans and then having like conservative family and then being conservative myself.
But, you know, it's been complicated.
Did the conservative family, were they resistant to your new identity or did they kind of go along with it?
Resistant for sure.
I mean, it wasn't anything ugly.
It wasn't anything like...
Throwing you out of the house.
No, I was never abused or anything.
And my dad was fine.
But it was difficult.
It's getting better now, though, which is great.
Now that I'm an adult and I'm, you know...
I take care of myself now and I'm doing my thing and they appreciate me going on shows like this.
You're like the most famous person on YouTube.
You've clearly been successful in this commentary.
This brings up the right wing resistance to transgenderism, to the movement of transgenderism, to a lot of the activism that comes out of it.
I think a lot of it is about the pronouns.
And I struggle with this myself.
I don't know which to use because my reason tells me – just as you said, you're born a man, you'll die a man, but you now more – you certainly resemble a woman.
You don't look like a man.
So my reason tells me it would be – Objecting to reality to say she, and yet you're my guest, you're my friend, my politeness would object to calling you he.
And obviously in terms of secondary sex traits, you certainly look much more like a woman.
How do we resolve this, this issue between manners and politeness and civil society and the biological facts of sex?
Well, you certainly don't legislate it.
I think that's a huge problem.
I was just reading the other day, in 2018, there's about to be harsher penalties for misgendering someone in the health field than for spreading HIV, which is insane.
That's right.
I saw that.
It will no longer be a felony to intentionally spread HIV. California's a mess.
California's a mess.
Just a generally true statement.
Yeah, just a mess.
But again, you don't legislate it because that turns people off and it also creates trans people, makes trans people a liability when they become employees.
You know, no company wants to hire someone who is potentially a lawsuit.
You know what I mean?
So that's a problem.
And that's another thing.
It's like a double-sided sword because the trans activists claim to fight for trans unemployment and then they do things like that.
Right.
But again, with pronouns, it's like, you just do what makes sense.
You know what I mean?
Like, for instance, if you and I were to go to dinner or something, and I got there before you, so I was at the table, and you told people at the front, like, I'm meeting my friend, you wouldn't say, he's in the blacktop.
Yeah, that's right.
You know what I mean?
It just makes, because they wouldn't know who you're talking about.
Using the silky dress over there.
Yeah, they'd lead you to someone else.
Right.
So it's just about what makes sense.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who seem hell-bent on...
Having things not make sense.
You know what I mean?
People who want to be referred to with third pronouns, fourth pronouns, z's.
The z, the they.
The singular they is the worst one.
That is unforgivable.
It is such an offense to grammar.
I can't imagine it.
It is.
It is.
And it's frustrating.
For me, when I'm in those situations, I just don't hang out with people like that.
If I'm around them, I'm not going to be intentionally rude or anything.
But I would prefer not to hang out with someone who has that high of expectations for a normal conversation with them.
It's kind of annoying.
But other than that, just do it make sense.
Is there a worry that the pronouns kind of give up the premises?
So in the pronouns, in any polite society, you would just say she and her to refer to you.
You identify as a woman.
You look like a woman.
Just go with it.
But is there something to worry about that in that premise, by granting the premise that one can change biological sex from male to female, from him to her, that we're giving the left a premise from which many of their arguments will flow even if it's not a correct premise?
Does that make sense?
I didn't say that articulately.
No, it makes absolute sense.
Yeah.
I guess in a sense, but at the same time, it's still about what makes sense.
I mean, I don't even think it's giving the left that.
I think they already have that.
They're gonna take it anyway, right?
Yeah, I think people argue against it when the reality is, like...
I don't think since I was a teenager I've ever been called heat.
Even pre-transition when I was starting to grow my hair out, no hormones, no surgery, I still never got called heat.
You know what I mean?
So it's just about common sense.
Obviously, when it comes to some people, there's this one trans activist.
I believe her name is Danielle Moscato.
I think it's Danielle Moscato.
She's made, like, no...
I'm saying she because I'm polite.
But she's made no attempt to do anything.
Like, literally, male clothes, bald head, no makeup, no anything.
Just in every way it looks like.
No legal gender.
In every way.
Like, looks manlier than you.
Well, I'll take it.
You know, unfortunately, there are a lot of guys who look manlier than me.
You'll take it.
That's all right.
And so when it comes to people like that, it's very frustrating because they'll make a huge deal about it.
But most trans people, we have to remember, the internet is not real life all the time.
It's hard to keep that in mind.
Yeah, a lot of these activists are like, yeah, there's crazy nuts on the internet.
But most trans people, it doesn't matter.
Of course.
And also, there aren't that many transgender people.
The statistic for a long time was, I think it was 0.2% of the population.
Very small.
Or even less.
Now that some surveys say that number is 0.6% of the population, I think.
Obviously, there are differing numbers because it's such a small population.
Uh-huh.
And yet, it's all anyone's talking about.
And I do think the left has made us so reactionary on this.
So reactionary.
They do this on everything.
But they've incredibly made cross-dressers not fun.
I don't know how they did that.
Cross-dressers have always been fun throughout all of history.
It makes Rocky Horror not fun anymore.
Yeah, it makes it this somber thing.
It makes the village in New York this very serious social...
Come on, man.
They've done it on college campuses.
They've made sex boring.
I don't know how they did that.
Yeah, I've always said, like, yeah, I've always said, you know, transgenderism is and should exist outside of the realm of politics because it's not political.
It's biological.
It's neurological.
It's a condition.
Psychological.
Yeah, and when you start politicizing things like that, I mean, it would suck just as much if they started politicizing I don't know, autistic people or something.
Right, right.
You know, making a group of people who are going through enough, like, the political football is really frustrating.
And it was the left's fault because they made it, you know, their issue.
I often say I almost miss the days when, like, no one really knew what it meant.
Like, everyone has kind of always known there are some, like, males who, you know, live as females.
But no one's ever gotten to the nitty-gritty of it.
And now everyone's debating these small, like, insignificant facets of what it is to be trans.
Of like 12 people.
Yeah.
And they're making, but it is right now, it is dominating the national conversation.
All we're talking about is bathrooms, you know.
Actually, fortunately, since President Trump was elected, we're talking about, like, jobs in North Korea again.
But before that, we were only.
Right, but it was just bathrooms.
Yeah, there was just only bathrooms.
That's the national.
Why is that?
What about 2017, our culture, left or right, makes this relatively minor issue dominate the national discourse?
Right.
I mean, first of all, I always say I don't like to be expected to suspend my knowledge of how the real world works to have these conversations because I've never had a problem using any public bathroom.
I've been in the Midwest.
I've been in Michigan.
I've been in California where it's super liberal.
And it's like I've been in Texas.
I don't have an issue.
Most people I know don't have an issue.
So it's frustrating to see that become such a huge issue.
When already, like you said, it's such a small amount of people.
And it's even smaller than people in that group who actually have an issue.
You know what I mean?
It's just a symbol for the left, though, isn't it?
It's just a way to poke the culture, I think.
Yeah, but I do think a lot of conservatives fall into the trap of, like, ending up caring about it.
Right, right, of course.
I think that's such a huge trap they've fallen into.
I would prefer to see the conservative movement in the future focus on reclaiming, like, more of a position in culture as far as arts and stuff like that because the left dominates all of that.
And it's really frustrating.
You know what I mean?
And they think – you know, I think the right thinks that they're going to win this battle on pronoun legislation, which is coming, by the way.
It's in other countries.
Absolutely.
It's coming.
I mean, yeah.
So they are going to do that.
And obviously we have to fight back against that.
And I hope the right wins.
I hope the right wins on that.
I mean, they're going to focus on this bathroom legislation, but really, that's not where...
Politics is downstream of culture, right?
But conservatives are such Philistines that we don't realize that orange is the new black or something, or transparent, has a much greater effect on the culture than our little legislation or our political candidates.
Absolutely, and I'll also say this.
One thing I've learned from doing a lot of conservative shows and talking to a lot of conservative hosts, you're not included in this, but almost all of them have told me that they don't have nearly as much of an issue with the trans thing as their audience pressures them to act out.
Interesting.
It's almost like it's just become a talking point.
And it's become, you know...
Being pro-trans or anti-trans, it's just a talking point at this point, and people are forgetting that it's not that huge of an issue.
That's interesting because I don't ever get questions about it in the mailbag.
I think it's literally the pronouns.
I think that's what they care.
They don't want someone to tell them.
That I am going to dictate to you how you can view reality.
I think it's – I don't think the issue among our audience – I don't think it's about transgender people at all.
I think it's about lefties bullying them into submission basically.
I don't know if that's true of other audiences, but I think it's – that is common on the right.
I think it's true.
If the left would let it up, they'd say like, all right, man, for the – For the 18 people who have this affliction, do what you're going to do.
It's become such an unnecessary war.
But then it gets to the point where it is necessary.
So getting to you, we've talked about politics.
There are a gazillion excellent videos on your channel that people can watch about this.
But getting to you, you haven't had an easy life.
You've had personal difficulties.
You...
I wouldn't share this if it weren't public, but you made a video that you were raped as a teenager.
Obviously, transitioning and this gender dysphoria has to be psychologically stressful.
And to add on top of that, all of these lefties hurl insults at you all the time on the internet.
Yeah.
What keeps you going?
What keeps you motivated?
Is it a religious conviction?
Is it a sense of mission, political mission?
Yeah.
I guess just the fact that despite everything, I really love life.
I really love what I'm doing.
I made my transition happen for myself.
No one paid for it but myself.
I've always, up to this point, pretty much gotten everything I've wanted because I've worked for it and I've made it happen for myself.
I'm just in a really good place in life.
I really love doing YouTube.
I guess a lot of the emails I get from people saying that, you know, I'm saying things they could never say.
Right.
And, you know, all of that kind of stuff really keeps me going as well.
And, you know, I have a good family.
I have good friends, an amazing boyfriend.
Life is good.
You know, people, everyone goes through stuff.
It's just about choosing to overcome it or live in that, you know?
Do you think it's that, though?
I mean, you have every reason to have a victim mentality.
You've got this difficult...
issue by nature of your birth, then you've had these other issues come on, but you haven't chosen to be a victim.
No, I think that's...
Why not?
You can cash that in.
There's a lot of cachet in this culture.
I can probably cash in.
I just think that's not a healthy way to live.
I think, you know, being self-serving is good, but it's when you're doing good things.
When you're being self-serving in the sense of just feeling pity for yourself and expecting things to be handed to you because something may have happened to you in the past, and it's really gross and unhealthy.
That's not a way I want to live.
I prefer to, you know, work hard, strive for my goals, be happy, be in love, all that stuff.
I much prefer that.
Does this come from any kind of religious point of view?
Is it some traditional point of view?
Or did you just stumble on these very profound guides to life on your own?
It just comes from nowhere.
It just comes from wisdom being spun by Blair White.
I've never been religious, but I think actually, now that you've said it, it does come from my dad's side of the family.
Hard work and never feeling sorry for yourself and just getting what you want was always something instilled in me from that side of the family.
I think it just stuck with me.
It's just how I was raised, I guess.
It's that good old American civic religion.
Right.
Absolutely right.
Right.
Hard work and not pitying yourself and just going out there and getting really famous and making a bunch of money.
That's the American dream.
American dream.
Now, all right, I could talk to you all day, but we have this excellent panel of deplorables that we have to bring on.
And listen.
Let's do it.
I know.
I know you want to listen to the panel of deplorables.
Blair's going to stick around for the panel.
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We have Ariel Davidson from the Hoover Institution.
We have Amber Athe from the Daily Caller.
Ladies, welcome and happy International Day of the Girl.
What a privilege to have you here.
We have to talk about this very important news today.
The rapper Eminem belched some gibberish about Donald Trump last night at the BET Awards.
Let's hear it.
Wait, how was I gonna start this off?
I forgot.
Oh yeah.
That's an awfully hot coffee pot.
Should I drop it on Donald Trump?
Probably not, but that's all I got till I come up with a solid...
Got a plan and now I got a hatchet like a damn Apache with a tomahawk.
I'ma walk inside a mosque on Ramadan and say a prayer that every time talks she gets a ma- I'ma stop.
But we better give Obama props because what we got in office now is a kamikaze that'll probably cause a nuclear holocaust.
We have come a long way from Bach, haven't we? - Yeah.
Ariel, everybody tells me that Eminem is a great lyricist, but that sure does not sound like Wordsworth to me.
What am I missing?
So I actually got myself into some trouble today because I started comparing Eminem and saying that Tupac was a much better lyricist, which I stand by.
I think there are some elements within our discussion of Eminem.
We have to be able to separate sort of his past history as being a great lyricist to his current piece of craft that he produced.
Excuse my French.
So I think that, you know, he is a talented rapper given his, you know, the style of art he usually partakes in.
This is a pretty abysmal piece of work, and I'll leave it at that.
I think it's economically inaccurate.
I think it does really pay homage to the fact that the Iran deal, which is Obama's crowning achievement in terms of foreign policy, actually runs the risk of creating a nuclear crisis.
But I will step away and let the other ladies speak on that, too.
So you're not, I'm sorry, you're not going to grant Professor Eminem his premises?
I do have to disagree with you on both Eminem and Tupac, because my favorite rapper is Puff Doggy Dog and Snoop Diddley Doodat, so I guess we can compare.
Taste is subjective, you know, who can really tell which is best after all.
Amber, is this just a desperate attempt of a has-been to stay relevant, or does Eminem have something to offer our culture in 2017?
Gosh, who knows?
Maybe a bit of both.
But like Ariel said, this is the most pathetic attempt at rapping I think I've ever seen.
And actually pretty disappointing.
As someone who used to listen to Eminem, I used to be into rap in middle school and high school because I thought I was cool or whatever.
You were cool.
He has...
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
A lot of people would disagree with you.
But he had some...
Pretty disgusting lyrics in his time.
You know, he talked about throwing women in the trunk of the car and driving them off bridges and raping women and stuffing them in the closet.
So for him, the best he can come up with is throwing hot coffee on Donald Trump.
It's a little disappointing.
I think he can do a lot better.
Yeah, where is his vicious thuggery?
I really was lacking from that last night.
Blair, that is an excellent point that she brings up.
Why does the media give this guy a pass?
He said horrible things about gays, about women, and yet I noticed that none of that was present in their coverage of this today.
Right.
They're so picky-choosy with, you know, who their little pets are.
What's really interesting, I was watching The View this morning, and Joy Behar was, first of all, her voice is grating.
But second of all, she was talking about how he's so brave for speaking out against the president.
And it's like, in what world every artist, every celebrity right now is speaking out against the president?
It's so brave.
It's so courageous.
I know.
It's amazing.
It's gross.
And the thing about it, like, the freestyle was trash, for sure.
Yeah.
My boyfriend told me this morning, apparently he had two albums recently.
Didn't know that.
I guess they didn't do well.
And then he also, I think when George Bush was in office, he said he wanted him dead or something.
And he got investigated by the FBI. It's just as courageous as Michael Moore.
Yeah, I haven't bought the latest Eminem CD either.
I loved the 90s.
They were great in the 2000s.
But just leave them in the past, man.
Let's move on to the future.
Speaking of the future, there is a new study that shows the greatest health crisis afflicting our troubled planet, and that is fat kids.
Obesity rates among children and teenagers have plateaued, apparently, in the UK at 10%, 20% in the United States.
The U.S. currently pays $325 billion per year to treat all of the negative health effects that come as a result of that.
Now, in Asia, North Africa, and the Middle East, child obesity rates are skyrocketing.
Blair!
The world is so prosperous that for the first time in history, the health problem is that our children are too fat.
They're too well fed.
Once we finally perfect the sex robots, will our culture just wither away from too much luxury?
Probably.
That's so heartbreaking to even hear.
I went to school for nutrition for a while, so that kind of hits home.
It's really sad.
I consider it child abuse, honestly, to have an obese child at that young of an age.
That's child abuse, for sure.
And Amber, does this finally put an end to all these stupid fads?
As Blair mentions, there is a little bit of child abuse perhaps going on, but we always hear about how terrible GMOs are and trans fat and gluten and yada, yada, yada, and they're supposed to kill us, and yet we're like the best-fed people ever and we live to be 100.
Will this finally put an end to all of the nonsense and the kale and the avocados and all of that?
No, probably not because unfortunately food is politicized too to the point where the left sort of takes like the GMO and environmental organic issues and tries to make it a political talking point.
And then another part of this that I think is political is this talk about like plus size models and healthy at any size and you can't fat shame people and to me as someone who used to be overweight I think that's so disappointing because like no you shouldn't bully someone for being overweight But I think it's good for people to know that it's not okay, it's not healthy for you to be 300 pounds at the age of 12, and maybe you should do something about it to change it.
And really the only person that can change that is yourself.
You can't expect society to just accept that as healthy or okay.
Blair, I know you're a really strong advocate of the anti-fat shaming movement, isn't that right?
No.
It is interesting how a lot of this is done in the name of supporting women, but supporting this message of healthy to any size, et cetera, is actually, it hurts women.
You know, women don't want to be fat.
Women want to be beautiful.
That's part of, you know, the nature of women is to be attractive and be desired.
That's scientific.
I'm just trying to be attractive and desired too, man.
Right.
But less to less success.
C'est la vie.
I'm sorry I cut you off.
Right.
So it's, like I said, in the name of women, but it's lying to women as well, which is frustrating.
Mm-hmm.
Ariel, Andrew Klavan has pointed this out before, that, you know, they say we live in decadent times, or call it a dawn to decadence, you know.
But decadence is very good for the elites.
And we're all elites today, aren't we, in the United States, in the developed world.
Is this a sign of our decadence?
I mean, the fact that we don't have to worry really as much about starvation as we do about overeating.
Where does a culture go from here when it's so luxurious and so well fed in so many ways?
You know, I think it's a sign of decadence.
I also think it's showing sort of the privacy that technology has started to place in our lives.
You know, you don't really need to get up in order to get things physically.
We can just order things on Amazon now.
You don't need to, you know, there's no impetus to step outside and play with your friends now.
You can just play video games or enter a virtual world.
This is the next step that Facebook is taking.
Pretty much in order to get anything you like, you don't really have to do much to get it.
So it's sort of like you can just sit on your couch and pretty much get what you want.
It's a very strange phenomenon, but I think technology has a lot to do with it.
That's absolutely right, and there are few things I like more than sitting on my couch and getting anything that I want.
There is breaking news that came out an hour ago that the Boy Scouts will now fully admit girls to be the Boy Scouts, and the girls can go as high up in the ranks as they want to.
They can become Eagle Scouts.
And by the way, we're not talking about transgender people.
We're not talking about a girl who identifies as a boy and then joins the Boy Scouts.
Just full-on girls can become Boy Scouts.
Now, Blair, on these issues of gender, you have a unique perspective.
That's so funny.
I thought you were talking about trans kids or something.
It's just girls in the Boy Scouts.
It's just the Boy Scouts.
I think it's a money grab.
Men are all about the money and I think they're just trying to take away all the Girl Scouts now too.
Does this make any sense?
I mean in a certain sense by our culture's logic it does in that the left has always told us gender is a social construct.
It doesn't really matter.
Of course, simultaneously, they tell us it's the most important thing in the world.
Does it make any sense for the Boy Scouts to now be taking away all of the Girl Scouts?
I mean, I guess it's not like the hugest injustice in the world, but at the same time, I mean, maybe it sounds funny coming from someone who's trans, but I do believe in traditional gender roles.
I think it's really healthy for a society.
So the idea that we're not teaching boys to be boys anymore, not teaching girls to be girls, I mean, obviously, listen, I'm trans.
But I think you can...
But you're trans, but you're not saying that the categories of gender are meaningless.
No.
Quite the opposite, right?
You can support traditional gender roles and traditional gender while acknowledging that there are some people that fall outside of that.
I do think that they should just keep it separate.
You know what I mean?
I think that's good for little boys to be around with little boys, etc.
Ariel, are you going to send your daughter into the Boy Scouts?
Make a good Eagle Scout of her?
Well, I think what was interesting about their announcement was that they were saying, oh, you know, we want to do this because there are some...
Girls that want to be part of the Boy Scout mission.
And I said to myself, isn't this why we have the Girl Scouts?
Beckett Adams actually had a great tweet today on Twitter where he said eventually they're just going to, you know, the Boy Scouts are going to be flooded with girls.
So then the boys are going to leave the Boy Scouts and head to the Girl Scouts.
They're going to join the Girl Scouts.
Yeah, we're just going to have a total switching of roles and then we'll rename them again to the Girl Scout and the Boy Scouts.
So I think, you know, there's something...
Culturally important about how we, you know, I went to single-sex education for nine years, from kindergarten to eighth grade.
I found it to be hugely beneficial to have sort of an environment that was girls-only, but a way for you to, you know, relate to other women without sort of the social pressures that boys might present in the picture.
So I think there's something really valuable about preserving the sanctity of girls-only Girl Scouts and Boys only Boy Scouts.
But that's just my personal opinion.
There's been lots of research done that shows that boys' brains develop very differently than girls' brains.
And, you know, when you tailor an experience to match that developmental path, it can be hugely beneficial.
I don't know necessarily how they'll be able to carry this out if there's some sort of mixing, but, you know, that's totally up to them.
I think it's pretty, I think it's utterly ridiculous.
I think we'll see some pushback from some parents, but only time will tell.
You know, Ariel, having gone to school from all of those years that you were in single-sex education, having gone to a school where boys and girls commingle and go to school together, I too will be sending my daughter to a single-sex education school.
I think it's a great idea, you know, different ways it develops and keep them away from those awful, awful boys.
Amber, the Girl Scouts are not happy about this.
They sent out a statement last time the Boy Scouts moved in this direction, basically saying, keep your hands off our Scouts.
We don't want our organization to dissolve.
Will this kind of gender discourse that's happening right now, will this lead to the end of all-female institutions, such as all-female sports, all-female educational institutions?
If single-sex schools have to admit boys now, then wither single-sex schools?
Yeah, I don't know if it's going to be across the board.
For example, sports is obviously a terrible idea because as much as liberals would have you believe, boys and girls are biologically different and it's really dangerous actually to have them playing in sports together.
In terms of just specifically the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts, I actually tweeted about this earlier today.
I was in Girl Scouts for three years and I sympathize with them being worried that the Boy Scouts are going to steal their Scouts away because Girl Scouts was absolutely terrible.
I actually ended up quitting because I was so bored because I was kind of a tomboy when I was young.
So I wanted to go and make fires and shoot guns.
All I wanted to do was eat cookies.
If only we could have traded places.
I know, right?
So I was always really jealous of the Boy Scouts because they got to go off and go camping and do all this cool stuff and Girl Scouts...
At least with my troop leader, I didn't get to do that.
But the answer to that isn't to take away the boys only and girls only spaces that, like Ariel said, I think are super important to development.
The answer is to just make Girl Scouts better.
Make the Girl Scouts better.
I know.
I agree.
We need more cookie flavors.
Absolutely.
I couldn't agree more, Amber.
Okay, that is all of our time today.
Panel, thank you for being here, especially Blair White.
Thank you for being here.
So nice to have you in studio.
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