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Dec. 24, 2025 - MyronGainesX
01:26:47
Owen Shroyer On IMMINENT Iran Israel War, The Brown Shooter, Epstein Files!
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All right, we're live.
What's up, guys?
Welcome to the stream.
Welcome to the stream.
I'm here with my guy, Owen Shore.
Welcome to the show, and how are you, man?
I'm great.
I'm glad that we made this happen before Christmas.
We've been trying to get on a live together for quite some time.
But in this busy world of live streaming and news and culture creating and everything else in between, sometimes it gets more difficult.
But here we are on Christmas Eve Eve.
And what a beautiful Christmas Eve Eve it is.
It is, man.
It is a beautiful day, man.
And I appreciate you being flexible.
And just for those that don't know who you are, can you introduce yourself real quick to the people?
Yes, sir.
So I've been in politics, commentary, field reporting, talk show hosting for about 10 years.
I actually came from the sports media, but I left the sports media world because I realized I wasn't a kid anymore and I wanted to do something that was a little more important, let's say.
And when you're, and you may be surprised to find out that when you get behind the scenes of the sports world, it starts to lose a little bit of its luster when you kind of get behind the scenes of it.
And you see that how the sausage is made.
I will say a lot of the athletes and a lot of the broadcasters and stuff are actually really cool people.
It's actually a really good, it's really good culture.
But I got to the point where it was like doing sports for six, seven hours a day, it just, you know, it's not as fun anymore.
It's not as fun anymore.
And then, you know, you get older, you get in your 20s, you realize that you may not care about politics, but politics cares about you.
But more than anything, it was just realizing that all of our politicians are liars.
All of our mainstream media is filled with liars.
And so I felt that I had to fill that void.
I wanted to be a truth teller in the media.
So here we are years later.
I've started my own thing.
I host the Owen Report three hours a day, 3 to 6 p.m. Central Time weekdays.
Do a lot of extra work on the side, content creating.
Where do you stream mostly?
For the people that like, where do you stream what platform mostly so they can find you?
Rumble, YouTube, and X. Any one of those three.
If you can find me, the Owen report, Rumble, YouTube, or X. We're growing pretty substantially on all of those things.
I spent some time at the once great, dare I say, the once great Info Wars for a long time.
I still have a lot of friends over there.
Gary, I'm putting your channel on screen right now so they can see it.
You might not be able to see it, but I'm showing it on screen right now.
Here it is, guys.
Owen Report.
I'm subscribing myself.
I didn't even know this.
I'm glad that you're back on YouTube.
Here's the channel right here, guys.
I'm going to drop the link in the chat for you guys.
Go support him.
One of the homies, every time I go to Austin, we typically do an interview of some kind.
Last time you were in the transition period, so we couldn't do it.
But when I go out there in 2026, we're going to make it happen.
So I'm going to drop his link in the chat for you guys.
Hell yeah.
So, but yeah, no, I know we you wanted to talk about Amphest and everything else like that.
So, guys, for those of you that are watching, this is basically Owen's interview.
Okay.
We had been talking about this for a few days now, and he was hitting me up when I was at Amfest and everything like that.
So, we can kind of just hash out some of the stuff or whatever you want to discuss.
So, take it away, brothers, your show.
So, I was watching.
Well, first of all, when I first saw the report that you had been kicked out, I obviously reached out to you and I said, Hey, I wanted to know the situation.
I was trying to get the story because I was going to break the story on my ex account to figure out what was going on.
And so, you had responded and you basically just debunked the whole thing.
You were like, Yeah, none of that is true.
And so, of course, I took that to X and I said, Hey, I just spoke with Myron.
I don't remember the exact I saw that.
Yeah, you said, like, he's not, and he's not Somalia.
He didn't get kicked out.
He's not Somalia.
He was hilarious.
He's not Somali.
Yeah.
So, anyway, what's funny is what's so incredible.
And this is, again, this is why I got in the political media.
It's amazing to see what liars people are.
So, look, if you don't like Myron, if you don't like what he says or anything he stands for, hey, whatever.
Okay.
I don't think he's going to complain about it.
But why do you have to lie?
You know, it's like, why do you have to lie?
So, first, they lied about you, and I just saw that no one was correcting the record.
So, I just made the post.
I was like, hey, I just spoke to Myron.
None of this is true.
Hold on, hold on, one sec.
Hold on, let me lower my mic.
Guys, whose mic is sound bad?
Is it mine or is it Owen?
It's my sound.
Is it my mic or which one is it, guys?
Which mic is it?
Because I'm looking right now in my OBS.
It looks fine.
I can raise Owen or I can raise myself.
Careful with that comment section.
You never know.
Yeah, they'd be hating.
They could be some bad actors in there.
Yeah, dude, I banned people for trolling audio.
I literally ban them for that shit.
Like, I have no fucking patience for that shit.
They do that, though.
Because they're saying my mic is blowing up their eardrum.
It should be fine now.
All right.
Give me once, guys.
If both mics are fine.
Oh, it was.
Now it's okay.
Yeah, man.
What the fuck?
Okay.
There's a delay.
There's a delay.
So, yeah, that's why, dude, these guys are.
Okay.
You got to be careful.
You got to be careful with those chatters.
Yeah.
So anyway, so I didn't see anybody correcting the record on your story.
So I just posted to X.
I was like, hey, guys, I just, you know, I just spoke with Meyer and here's the case.
And here's what's funny.
They started attacking me just like they were attacking you.
And I think it was one guy in particular who was really trying to blow this case up.
And he said, oh, who are your sources?
Trust me, bro.
And then, of course, and then, of course, the next day you were there taking pictures with everybody.
And I was like, oh, I guess my sources are better than yours, considering my source in this case was literally the guy that you're posting about.
But no, you know, I just, you know, I see that, I see that, you know, I'll give Turning Point USA some credit because they did keep it for the most part open platform and big tent.
There might be some, there might be some, some, some individuals out there that might have a stink still and maybe they would disagree with that.
But I think overall, large S.
I think TP USA did a good job of keeping it open for everybody that wanted to be there for the most part.
But what I don't understand, it's like they kind of, you see these people that want to have their cake and eat it too.
It's like, oh, well, we need the big tent and we need to win.
So let's put Nikki Minaj on the stage.
But then if it comes to like a Nick Fuentes or a Candace Owens, it's like, oh, no, no, no, but not them, not them.
And I would ask, who do you think is going to move more people politically, Candace Owens or Nicki Minaj?
Because I understand if there's a strategy here and they say, what is the one demographic that Republicans just can't touch, right?
Like they just can't even get any room there.
It's black women.
Who's going to move more black women to vote?
You think Nikki Minaj or you think Candace Owens?
Who would move more people politically?
I would argue Candace Owens.
No matter what you think of her politics, I would argue that.
So it's kind of like they kind of have their cake and eat it too.
Like, oh, no, no, no, look, we got a big tent thing.
We got Nikki Minaj here, but no, not Candace Owens or maybe some other people.
And I don't know, part of me feels like maybe Erica Kirk now, with her new role as CEO, kind of wants to use this platform to just land big celebrity interviews.
That's kind of a hunch that I have right now.
And maybe that'll bear out in time if that ends up being the case or not.
But I do think it's funny.
You would know better, you would know this better than me.
It seemed like you were pretty well received, though.
Would that be an inaccurate statement?
Were you pretty well received at the event?
Yeah, I mean, dude, it was, and that's why, like, so I'll kind of go through it real quick.
So, what happened was on day one, right?
So, I got there, like, you know, I'll go through it like in meticulous detail.
Guys, please go check out Once I'm dropping the link here in the chat for you guys.
He just got back on YouTube.
He's the homie.
Please go check him out.
Used to work for InfoWars.
So, check him out.
But anyway, so I'll kind of just go through the timeline with you in detail.
So, day one, right?
I think it was like Thursday, right?
Or Friday, whatever it may be.
We'll just say day one.
I get there at like one o'clock, right?
And I'm there for hours, right?
I'm there until maybe I get there around 12 or 1.
I'm there until about 5 o'clock, right?
Now, mind you, Fresh, while I was there, sometime in the afternoon, had tried to get in, right?
Somewhere between 12 and 3 p.m., he had tried to get in.
I don't know the exact time.
He tries to get in.
He's there for a little bit, and then he gets kicked out.
They don't tell him why he got kicked out, right?
He leaves, and he was with Dom.
I'm there the whole time, though, right?
And here's the other thing, too.
While Fresh got kicked out, I had been there for several hours and I was getting mobbed, right?
To answer your question before, like, how were you received?
I was getting mobbed, bro.
I'm not like, this isn't to brag or anything like that, but literally, I got stopped.
Like, I couldn't go like maybe 60 seconds while being stopped.
Well, and I saw the pictures, like, you know, if pictures were circulating on my feed, it seemed like you were popping up the most.
And by the way, you know, funny enough, when we do hang out in Austin, we went out for a steak dinner, you know, afterwards, people were coming up to you.
I actually had to be your photography man for a couple of years.
I felt a little slided, to be honest.
I had to play Photo Man for a minute, but no, it's, you know, it was just more testament that, hey, you know, you don't have to agree with everything he says, but let's not pretend like there isn't a real following there.
Yeah, no, and you know, that's kind of what I realized.
Like, the more polarizing you are, the more people really like love you, especially when you're talking about uncomfortable things because they feel like they can identify I'm relatable and I can talk about the things they wish they could publicly.
So, and the reason why I'm saying that, you know, because I hate talking about that when I get stopped or whatever, it sounds so fucking try-hard and corny.
But the reason why I'm saying that is relevant to the story.
So I had been there for hours and I got stopped a million times.
So there was no way that Fresh got kicked out without them knowing I'm there.
Does that make sense?
Because if they had been trying to kick me out, they would have known way sooner than when Fresh walked in.
It's not like you were moving about quietly.
Yeah.
Like Fresh isn't even into politics.
Like he doesn't even touch this stuff.
He came out more.
He honestly came out to Amfest more because I was going to be there, right?
To show support.
Like politics isn't his thing.
So when they kicked him out, I was like, at first, I was like, wait, did they kick him out because of me?
Like, what were they looking for me?
I don't get it.
But then I thought to myself, well, I've been here for like five hours.
I've shaken hands with literally everybody, a couple of big names there.
And the other thing, too, I'll say is this that I noticed when I was there.
Like, I was the only guy that's like, I guess you could say like with a sizable audience that was walking in the crowd.
Like all the other like, you know, big creators, million plus subs or whatever, they were all only on stage and they didn't walk around, you know, walk and take a picture and all that other stuff.
They just did the main stage.
They got the hell out of there, right?
Like I was the only person that was like walking around actively shaking hands, meeting people, jumping on this guy's podcast, jumping on that guy's podcast.
Cause I don't like to be Hollywood.
You know, I really hate that thing, but I guess, you know, it was a blessing in disguise because I didn't realize that many people were going to come up to me.
So I was actually really shocked.
You know, that's probably why we get along so much because I'm the same way.
Yeah.
And, you know, back in the day when I used to be more frequent at those events, it was kind of the same thing.
They'd be, oh, you know, here's your backstage pass or come back here.
And I would be like, no, I kind of like to mix it up with the people.
You know, I kind of like to mix it up, shake hands, take, you know, take pictures, whatever.
And I don't know.
It's like, I don't know if it's a combination of, hey, I enjoy this more, but it's also like, these are the people that actually watch my content.
These are the people that want to support me.
Like going and meeting somebody like that is way more meaningful than maybe going backstage and shaking hands and having a little trivial conversation with somebody that you may or may not get along with.
You know, those are the people that really, when you feed into grassroots like that, that's how you earn the respect.
That's how you earn the following.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And that's one thing I pride myself on is not being Hollywood.
So, so, you know, and I, like I said, I say all that to illustrate that there's no way they didn't know I was there.
So what happens is, so while I'm there, now it's about five or six p.m., right?
Security comes up to me.
Hey, you know, can you just come with us real quick?
Now, at this point, I'm like, all right, they're going to, you know, I guess the jig is up.
They're going to kick me out too.
It is what it is.
So I walk over with them, right?
I'm not going to cause a scene.
I'm not going to be an idiot.
I'm not going to align with the stereotypes.
I was like, yeah, sure, you know, let's go.
And it's funny because I was out in the main area shaking hands and taking pictures and stuff.
And that's when they walked up to me, right?
Five hours later at this point.
So I go down to the escalator with them, right?
That's where that viral video came from when I was on the phone.
So as I'm there, right, waiting, they're saying, hey, can you just pass me your pass?
Now, this is also very relevant.
My government name is not Myron Gaines, obviously, right?
So, and it's a unique name.
It's Amru Fuddle, right?
My government name.
So when you come into Turning Point, you have to use your government name.
So when I gave him my placard, because I went there with Uncensored America, who you're also very familiar with, Sean and all them, I went there with them.
I had a sponsor badge with them.
When I gave it to them, they're like, wait, what?
What's and that's where the confusion was because they were under the impression that I was like using maybe a different name or whatever.
I didn't have the right credentials, but it's just that I use a different stage name.
And the other reason why I didn't take offense to this is because they had heightened security for this event.
I mean, we're talking about the first event after Charlie was assassinated.
So security was high.
Cops were there.
You know, I saw a couple feds, like they had a lot of security there.
So I didn't take it offensive because I was like, look, security is heightened.
There's a name discrepancy.
They're just checking it out.
And that's where I was sitting there.
And when I was on the phone, I was actually on the phone with my guy, Gary.
And Gary came over to see what was going on.
My manager.
Is it the numbers guy?
That's the numbers guy.
Yep.
Yep.
Yeah.
I think I saw, I think I saw an aftermath video with you two from that.
Yes.
So he came over to see what was going on and he spoke to them as well.
And, you know, they cleared it up.
I'm waiting there, whatever.
And they grabbed someone from Turning Point, one of the higher end staff.
I met with the guy.
You know, I'm going to keep his name private.
Very nice guy.
Spoke with him.
And he was like, hey, man, sorry, there was a misunderstanding with the names.
Just please don't go too crazy, whatever.
All right, cool, no problem.
And that was it.
And I just went back to going doing business.
And I was maybe there for like five, 10 minutes at most.
But that's the clip that everyone is like saying, oh, look, he's getting, he did.
Some people said, number one, either I got kicked out or B, I couldn't get in.
But I had already been in there for hours at that point.
Right.
So I show up the next day.
That's the Cookie Monster hoodie day, right?
So day one, right?
I'm there with a t-shirt because I gave my hoodie to a supporter, actually, right?
I met a kid.
He said, hey, I'm in the OSS.
I love your content.
I gave him my hoodie.
I had a back to the kitchen hoodie, right?
Gave it to him.
That's why I had the fresh fish shirt when they stopped me.
Then next day, I show up with a cookie monster hoodie.
Obviously, I didn't go there thinking, like, yeah, let me go viral.
Yes.
Like, I showed up with the cookie monster hoodie because it's a fucking dope hoodie, right?
So I showed up.
I'm sure sales are up.
I'm sure the sales are up.
Yeah, they are.
Yes, it's stores right now, guys, by the way.
271K is the promo code, 6% off.
There you go.
So, some idiot in the chat says, Slim Ryan says, Gary manages the library in like property disgraceful.
All right, let me clear this up real quick for all the fucking pieces of shit out there, because I get a lot of slack for working with Gary.
Let me make this crystal fucking clear to everybody.
Gary is my guy.
Gary makes sure when I say the crazy shit that I say, that no one fucks with me.
You guys understand that?
Right?
Oh, he's your handle, whatever.
Motherfucker, no one handles me.
He makes sure that no one fucking comes after me.
He doesn't give a fuck, right?
He stands by me 100%.
He's anti-Zionist.
I don't give a fuck if he's a Jew.
Oh, he's Jewish.
And since when did I tell you guys I hate Jews?
No, he's a good dude and he stands by me.
We don't have to agree on numerology.
We don't have to agree on certain topics, but he's a good dude.
He's a family man.
He stuck by me.
He's helped me out when other people didn't.
So for anyone that talks shit about Gary, fuck you guys.
Because when we're in the fucking background grinding and doing all the things that we do, Gary's there.
You bitch ass niggas aren't.
So shut the fuck up.
I don't turn on my friends ever.
And it's very annoying how people say all this bullshit.
Because I'll tell you this.
When I made that phone call and he showed up and he helped, and he was there.
That's the type of guy Gary is.
So for all the people in here hating and all this other shit, they're fucking retarded.
But anyway, I digress.
So day two, I come with the cookie monster hoodie, right?
Obviously, they're mad.
What is this guy doing back here?
I thought he couldn't get in.
I thought he got kicked out.
And I'm there with Fresh now, right?
So they're livid.
So I take a picture with, so Jack comes up to us, right?
Because Jack actually had talked to some people behind the scenes for us as well.
Shout out to Jack Pezobik.
Nice guy.
So friendly, right?
We take a picture together.
I did not know that people were going to zero in on the fucking hoodie and get pissed off, right?
And I'd taken a picture with a bunch of other people too.
I took a picture with Emily from Saves America with a bunch of podcasters.
I took something with the quartering, everybody.
And I guess people got pissed off and they're like, oh, he's still here.
Let's bitch about this now.
He has a hoodie on and it's anti-Semitic.
So that's kind of how all that transpired.
So when I wasn't kicked out and they saw me on day two, they were pissed off.
That's why I think I went viral.
I just love watching people jump to the conclusions when I know that they're wrong.
And so when I saw people piling on, like Dana Lash, like, come on, Dana.
I mean, I'm not so surprised by her.
You know, she was the never Trumper from 2016.
But it's like, when I see all these people piling on, it's just like, hey, you guys know you're not even right.
Like, you know that you don't even have your facts right here.
And, but they don't like truth tellers.
I would imagine, did you see that stop anti-Semitism shared your hoodie?
Did you see that?
Yeah, I did.
I did.
What the hell happened?
Sorry, my camera just turned off.
Yeah, no, I did.
It's too spicy.
Yeah, no, I did see that, dude.
And the ADL did too.
Like a bunch of people.
So you got a double, you got a double, a double tap?
Yeah, ADL.
I'm sure SPLC is going to, you know, they're going to come buys right after.
Congratulations, man.
This has to be great for sales.
I mean, I don't know the margins on those hoodies.
I mean, there's got to be record sales for you.
Yeah, it's good, man.
It's good.
You know, and my thing is, I put the promo code to just kind of give them like the middle finger.
Like, you guys are not going to tell me what to do or what I can and can't say and shit, you know?
So, but yeah, I mean, yeah, it went viral or whatever.
You know, it is what it is, right?
People just were pissed off because I guess the rumor was false.
And like, everyone like made these YouTube videos.
And I noticed too, because like you were saying this earlier, so many people made videos talking shit, but like no one corrected the record after when they were clear that they were lying.
And I tell people, I encourage anyone, if you know a YouTuber that made a video on me saying I got kicked out and then didn't clarify to y'all that they were wrong, you probably shouldn't watch that person anymore because it's very clear that no one has any type of journalistic integrity.
And that's the problem.
I would say like one of the main problems that we have when it comes to content creators versus established media, like content creators have like no journalistic integrity at all.
At least with like Fox, CNN, whatever, they try, right?
With influencers, there's no oversight.
So they could say whatever they want with zero evidence and people are going to tune in.
So that's one of the main negatives I've seen with getting your news from influencers.
You got to be able to trust the guy.
So I encourage anyone, if anybody told you this bullshit, like I got kicked out or I didn't get let in or whatever, and they haven't corrected the record, you should probably stop watching them, honestly.
Because this is a biggest thing.
They doubled down.
They doubled down because that was my first instinct when I saw it.
Because I was like, okay, I'll chase this story.
So I just, I just sent you a message.
I was like, yo, what happened?
That was my first instinct was just to figure out what really happened to go to the best source, which would be you.
And then they doubled down and said, oh, no, I was wrong.
And then I had to double down on them and say, I guess my sources are better than yours.
Yeah.
You know, you know, here's another thing that I think, and this event, this Amfest was still kind of Charlie Kirk's creation.
When they built this and did the guest list and the speaker list, that still had Charlie Kirk's fingerprints on it.
So we're still kind of in the era of the events that Charlie was able to kind of create and formulate himself.
What's going to be interesting, because this is where I see it going, what the older generation conservatives or kind of the establishment conservative types, what they don't understand yet is that we like big tent politics.
We don't mind rubbing elbows with people we think are controversial or people we even disagree with.
We kind of like it.
And I mean, you look at somebody like a Jack Bosobic, who's about as establishment, anti-establishment media as you get.
And he has no problem rubbing elbows with people that might be considered controversial.
He has no problem going mainstream either.
But the point is, like, when I see people like Dana Lesh and all these normal, you know, old guard Republican types trying to gatekeep, they don't understand.
We don't do that anymore.
The new generational, whatever you want to call it, new generational right, left, anything, the new generational political commentators, the new generational political content creators, we don't do the gatekeeping.
We're not into the gatekeeping.
And it seems like their effort, because let's be honest, the one area where the gatekeeping is really happening on the right is on the Israel issue.
They want to keep anybody out.
They want to keep anybody out that isn't all in for Israel.
And so they try to turn it into some anti-Semitic thing.
That's the angle that they're using, but it's just not working.
And so they see this failure.
They see this failure to gatekeep.
And I think that that's why it's almost like a denial, right?
It's almost like a, no, Myron wasn't allowed.
Like, it can't be.
Like, nobody would have let Myron in there.
It's not.
It's like, no, you don't understand.
We aren't like you.
We like to hang out with everybody.
And I think it's better for the overall cause.
You know, I had a debate earlier today with a guy named David Kate.
You may be familiar with his work.
He's kind of up and coming right now.
He's on the right.
He's definitely pro-Israel.
And we had a pretty solid conversation.
It got into a heated debate at times.
But, you know, what we kind of realized at the end is like the difference, I think the difference between the new generation of political commentators and whatever is left of the old guard, it's like we don't really, at the end of the day, we all kind of want the same thing.
Like we may have a different path or an idea or vision of how we're going to get there, but we all kind of want the same thing.
Like we just want to be left alone.
We just want to be left alone.
We want to be able to hang out with whoever we want to hang out with.
We don't want to be browbeat.
We don't want to be henpecked.
We don't want to be gatekept.
We don't want to be censored.
We like the controversy.
We liked the debate.
And I think that the old guard is kind of scared of that.
I think that they're scared of that.
And maybe that's because they know that that's just a sign of them getting replaced.
And I think politically speaking, Myron, I think we're two election cycles away from that transition being complete and trying to cater politics and messaging to boomers.
I'd say we're two election cycles away from that transition being over with.
Bro, I cannot agree.
I mean, me and you, we've talked so much off air and all this other stuff.
I can't agree anymore.
I see eye to eye with you on this topic 100%.
Like the main differentiating factor is, are you pro-Israel or not?
And the old guard, like you said, the neocons, the people from the early 2000s, et cetera, those boomers are on their last leg.
And I agree with you that 2028 is probably going to be the last election, if we keep going at this rate at least, where Zionist influence is going to be crazy.
And I'll tell you this, Owen, because I called this a couple months ago.
I called, I said, if Momdani wins, mayor of New York City, be prepared for not just the Democratic Party, but eventually the Republican Party to stop supporting Israel.
The Democratic Party is already there.
I've already seen candidates saying, I don't take AIPAC money now, right?
Even Gavin Newsom is starting to be more secretive about where he gets his money.
APAC is trying to funnel through other organizations to pay politicians.
So I think that's going to be, for the Democrats, at least, that's going to be one of their main tools that they're going to utilize to get back into the office.
I agree with you that this probably won't take place at the Republican Party until eight years, two election cycles from now.
But for the Democrats, they're absolutely going to use it in 2028.
And that kind of worries me because if JD Vance runs, because I was having this conversation on, I think, with Tim Poole, if JD Vance goes against Newsom, Newsom might win, bro.
I don't think, unfortunately for Vance, who I like Vance, you know, and I think he's probably about as close to one of us that's left with Trump's ear.
I just don't think anybody from this administration is going to be electable at this point.
I mean, it'd take a miracle after this Christmas disaster of the Epstein files.
It would take a miracle for anybody from this administration to get elected.
But let's go a little bit more into the weeds here, Myron.
When AOC got elected, I think it was 2018.
You know, that was the first taste that the kind of, let's say, radical far left got of, oh, okay, we're in the door now, right?
We're in the door now.
And you saw kind of like, you know, some of the Gavin Newsom types were like, okay, we'll kind of welcome you with open arms.
And then there was the Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi types were like, hey, hold on there, young, hold on there, youngin.
Like, not yet.
It's not your time yet.
And so they kind of, they kind of calmed AOC down.
They kind of, they kind of tampered it down.
They still delivered a bit on the message, but the policy just wasn't there.
They go with Joe Biden.
Harris obviously fails.
So now they're kind of recalibrating.
Now, I do agree.
The threshold moment was the Mamdani victory.
And maybe add, you know, Pelosi about to croak and getting out of Congress as kind of the backdrop here.
But the Mamdani victory was the threshold moment where they definitely decided, okay, now we're going with the younger generational left.
It's time for us to take over the party.
Mamdani is obviously going to be a charismatic leader, whatever role he serves, the Democrats as the mayor of New York, but they still have an AOC.
They got a lot of other communists up and coming behind them.
And so I think 2026, actually, I believe the Democrats will run on an anti-Israel message.
I think it's going to be very direct.
I don't think they're going to mince words.
I don't think they're going to hide it.
You mentioned the candidates rejecting APAC money.
Some are actually returning APAC money.
They're literally cutting a check back to APAC from the money that they received.
So I think the Democrats, I think they're going to run on that 2026.
I anticipate they'll be victorious.
Now, I don't know if you could credit that one policy alone.
I think the damage done by the Trump administration is maybe more to blame.
The lack of action from Republicans would be more to blame than whatever message they go with.
But I do think 2026, the Democrats are going to run on the anti-Israel message.
And then, like you said, are the Republicans going to see that and adapt for 2028?
Or are they going to say, no, not yet?
Let's stick to the old guard and then lose in 2028.
But to me, this is inevitable.
It's inevitable where it's going.
And I think the bullying and the intimidation factors are eventually just going to be overwhelmed by the sheer numbers.
The sheer numbers are just not on the side of the Israeli lobby.
The sheer numbers are not on the side of any foreign policy that supports more foreign aid or more foreign war.
And so I anticipate that this will happen.
And if I want to go a little deeper, I say every single president, except Biden, because they stole that election.
But if you look at Obama and you look at Trump, really, they won on going against the foreign policy.
Like you could argue that Obama and Trump both won because they were against the current status as far as foreign policy is concerned.
So I don't expect that trend to change.
Whoever gets elected in 2028, if you run against the current status quo on foreign policy, I think you win.
Yeah.
And I think that's going to be the tool that the Democrats use because what we've basically seen, and I love how you mentioned like Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, these like old guard Democrats, right?
They're being replaced now by socialist Democrats, right?
And it's important also to know, if you look at all the biggest left-wing streamers, they're also socialist Democrats.
You look at Akhyl Kalinskia, Hassan Piker, Dean Withers, Harry Sisson, like all these dudes are socialist type Democrats, unlike some of the old guard Democrat commentators, like Dave Pacman, right?
That won't talk about Israel, but he's been around for damn near 20 years.
So we're not only seeing this shift, you know, at the political level, but we're also even seeing it at the commentating level where the Democrats, I think, are going to lean on the Republicans made life unaffordable for you.
We're going to make sure that you get health care.
We're going to make sure that you guys have access to groceries and food.
We're going to make sure that the government subsidizes so food is affordable.
We're going to get you guys free transportation.
And we're also not going to take money from Israel.
I think this is going to be the mantra that the Democrats are going to campaign under because they've lost the young men, right?
So the old guard, you know, Democrat was like, oh, yeah, we're going to lean into race politics and minorities and pro-immigration, whatever.
That doesn't work anymore.
Now people are going to be more concerned with affordability, foreign policy, and not participating in a genocide, right?
So that's like, cause that's like a really big weak point for so many progressive commentators that are pro-Israel is being pro-Israel is completely antithetical to progressive values.
I mean, you're literally supporting an apartheid ethno-state that's conducted a genocide.
I mean, even us over here on the right, we understand that.
We, you know, normally conservatives don't use this type of terminology, but the truth is the truth, right?
I don't mean to sound like a leftist, but that's what Israel is.
It's literally a supremacy ethno-state that is running an apartheid.
So that just did a genocide.
So to be a progressive now at this point, I think the Mamdani campaign sealed the deal.
Leverage social media, leverage being anti-Israel, leverage affordability, leverage socialism.
And I think that's how they're going to be able to bring people in.
And I think that's this tool they're going to use to bring the young men back because their crazy woke ideology of just tolerating a whole bunch of BS.
Oh, yeah, let's let Gazman.
Let's do this, blah, blah, blah.
That ostracized young men.
And that's why so many young men are more conservative now because, and me and you are a bit older.
You know, I always say millennials, like in our age group, we messed it up for everybody else.
Like we were the ones that put Obama in.
We were the one that put in this, you know, race politics, you know, everyone's equal egalitarian mindset in everyone's minds.
And luckily, the young guys now, they're way more based than we were when we were their age, you know?
So for the record, I never voted for Obama, just for the record.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, me.
I'm older.
I'm a little older than you, but it's not, well, I could have in 2008.
I could have twice.
But no, I also think that if the economy keeps going the way it's going, you know, we basically are in a have and have not economy.
And Trump's messaging is not helping.
And the polls show it.
The polls show in every indicator.
On the left, there's no doubt.
They want communism.
Like they just want it.
They're socialists.
They're communists.
They'll vote for it.
And on the right, I think you're going to see this kind of desperation mentality.
It's not going to be a majority, but it'll be enough where young people on the right are just going to say, you know, I don't really have this romantic relationship with free market capitalism.
But you know what?
I do have an empty bank account and I don't know how I'm going to afford my bills.
Healthcare, forget about that.
Owning a home in my wildest dreams.
So I think that eventually they're just going to make a pragmatic decision whether they believe in it or not.
They're just going to say, you know, well, he says he's going to give me this.
So I'll just go out and vote because the last guy delivered me a have and have not economy and then told me I was richer than ever in the golden age.
And it's just not true.
So Trump is kind of pushing them to that.
And it's really wild.
It's actually really wild to watch.
We thought that Trump was going to create a generational run of conservative men, a generational run of Republican politics.
And he basically sold it all out.
He basically sold it all out for the Israeli lobby.
He sold it all out for the special interest.
And now I'd say Trump is, it'd be more accurate to predict that Trump could destroy the Republican Party for a couple election cycles instead of delivering multiple election cycles of victory, at least at this stage in the game.
And I don't think it looks like it's going to change.
That's where I see things trending.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, when he ran back in 2016, he was able to be a bit more authentic because he was, you know, he funded his own campaign pretty much, took way less donations.
But I think the thing that, you know, really hurt Trump is people forget he got indicted four different times.
It's like kind of a distant memory now at this point.
But the guy got indicted in four different jurisdictions.
He had two federal cases, two state cases, a bunch of lawsuits of people trying to sue him.
Women coming out saying he graped them, whatever.
Those are expensive lawyer fees, man.
So he definitely needed that money, the Zionist lobby money to be able to run effectively.
And if he didn't win this presidency, I've said it before, he would have died in prison.
If he did not win this term in office, he would have absolutely died in prison.
Now I wonder what happens if we don't win the midterms.
I mean, they're going to impeach him.
Yeah, they are.
And not only that, I think I predict that maybe not now, but if a Democrat ever gets in, I think they're going to go after Hegseth and everybody in the chain of command for these kinetic strikes on these boats.
I think they're like, I know people are saying, oh, well, Myron, it's legal.
They're foreign combatants, whatever.
I'm not saying that it's a legality thing.
What I'm saying is that the Democrats are going to try to find a way to get these guys for something because that's unheard of blowing up drug boats.
Yeah, and some of them aren't drug boats and some of them weren't even from Columbia.
Facts.
And so that's going to be an issue too.
I also think that this whole Epstein debacle is opening up windows.
I really do.
I don't really know into what, but I think, you know, like Trump came out in one of the craziest things he's ever said in his political career the other day, where he says that Thomas Massey is the bad guy and the weird guy, but not Bill Clinton.
Yeah.
And so that was just a wild clip.
I mean, to me, that was the indicator.
It was like, oh, my God.
Like this guy really, I don't even know what to think anymore other than he's just so far removed from us now that he doesn't, he has no touch.
Like there's not even the satellite can't even get connection anymore.
There's no bars, right?
It's not low bars.
There's no bars.
But he comes out.
He's like, whoa, gee, you know, the Democrats, they don't seem to mind much about the Bill Clinton pictures, you know?
Yeah, no shit.
No shit.
The old guard Democrats are gone, bro.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're right.
The younger Democrats, they don't give a shit if they burn Bill Clinton's legacy to the ground.
They could not care less.
As long as it doesn't tarnish Obama, as long as Kamala Harris doesn't yap too much.
Yeah, I don't think that they mind burning whatever was left of the old guard Democrat establishment at the ground at all.
If that means Bill Clinton, they couldn't care less.
Even Hillary, I don't think that they care.
So, you know, I feel that Trump is either totally disconnected or he's getting bad advice or the gatekeeping is so extreme, maybe all three, that he just doesn't understand.
And I said this a couple of weeks ago, and I think that now I feel like I was right.
You know, we heard from years, the walls are closing in.
Remember that we'd hear for you, the walls are closing in on Trump.
The walls are closing in.
Now, it was never true.
Three weeks ago, I said, you know what?
This actually looks like that moment.
This actually looks like the walls are closing in moment.
Somebody messed up big with those boat strikes.
I believe somebody messed up big.
Maybe even set him up, quite frankly.
Maybe even set him up.
And now with the Epstein debacle, they rigged the inflation numbers, by the way.
Those were rigged.
Now, in their defense, they didn't have the data because the government was closed, but they gave you false data.
They gave you a rigged number.
Now I look at it.
I'm like, wow, the walls really are closing in.
And Bongino leaves?
Yeah.
Oh, my gosh.
Bongino leaves.
I think that I think we see why that's going on now as well.
I theorize that Bongino might open the floodgates.
If you start to see others leave, like a Caroline Levitt, or if you start to see others leave this administration, I think for Bongino, to be honest with you, I think what Bongino, man, that was more of a career move because, you know, you go from making hundreds of thousands of dollars, hundreds of thousands of dollars a month to working for the FBI as the deputy director.
People don't know, like, because I used to be a government agent myself.
As a deputy director, you're probably not going to clear more than like 200 to 300K a year, you know, a year.
Bongino is probably making that a month when he was a podcaster.
Yeah, but he doesn't need the money, though.
He doesn't need the money.
Yeah, but you keep in mind also that the longer he stays in and the more they fuck up this Epstein debacle while he's at the helm, the more credibility he loses.
Well, see, that's what, yeah, yeah.
That's why I think he left.
I'm looking at that.
Yeah, I'm looking at that more than the money angle.
I think it was stick around here.
Yeah.
The more I stick around here, the worse I look.
How do I go back to my audience?
Which he's already, I think, asked that question.
I don't know what he does.
He has to go back to his audience empty-handed.
I think the pipe bomb was his main thing.
That's why, if you notice, once they caught the pipe bomb guy, he was, you know, hey, I came in.
Do you even think that's the real guy?
I read the affidavit.
They do have some pretty convincing evidence with, you know, South Sai and everything else like that.
So they do, you know, it seems like a convincing case.
We'll see what happens.
But I think for Bongino, and here's the thing.
Okay, I'm going to be very critical, but I'm also going to be very honest.
And I was talking about this with Jeremy actually from the quartering in detail, but I'll give a more summarized version here.
The FBI historically has been an agency that has been known for being famous but incompetent, right?
Lazy.
Agents don't want to go out and do surveillance and arrest people.
They don't want to really carry cases.
The average FBI agent, contrary to popular belief, might make one criminal arrest every five years for their own case, right?
Typically, every field office is going to have like maybe 10, 20 rock star agents that are running big cases.
Everybody else is just there, kind of you know, riding on the coattails.
That's how it works in the federal government.
So Bongino and Kash Patel coming in removed a lot of the bureaucracy, told these guys they got to get out there, told them they got to start working with the state and locals, told them they got to start making arrests and doing everything.
So when it comes to stopping your traditional violent crime and crime in general, they did a fantastic job of bringing the numbers up.
I think they did a good job of transparency.
Now, let me be clear about this.
Prior to Cash and Bongino coming in, the FBI was horrible, completely deplorable.
I'm not saying that they made it fantastic.
Hell no.
I think it was really bad.
And Bongino and Patel coming in made it bad.
Does that make sense?
Like, it was very bad.
Now it's just bad, right?
So it's a very small margin that was improved, but it was so bad, it was only up from here, right?
We're talking about Chris Ray only declassified something like 15,000 documents his entire tenure versus Patel has declassified 33,000 documents in the 11 months or so that he's been here so or the year.
So and the reason the thing is, the reason why I can appreciate these things, I know people are probably saying like, Mario, how could you say that?
Blah, blah, blah.
As a guy that used to be a former agent that understands what it's like to be an 1811, that understands how agencies work and everything else like this, understands the red tape.
And I've worked very closely with FBI.
I know how they are.
This is a lot better than where they used to be.
It's still not good, though.
I want to be explicitly clear about that.
It's still not good, but it is better.
Now, when it comes to Bongino, I think it's a combination of losing hundreds of thousands a month on top of losing credibility.
So it's like a double whammy.
He's burning the candle from both ends because on one end, he's losing this money and he's losing the credibility.
So let's assume the money doesn't matter.
Well, when he comes back, if the credibility is shot, that's going to affect the money at some point.
So I think for him, it's more of a credibility and long-term career move, which I don't, I don't knock him for it.
You know, let me make this clear too.
Like, I don't knock him for wanting to go back.
But yeah, that's the reason why I think he's going back, which is completely understandable.
And honestly, the best decision.
Because this FC thing is fucking terrible, bro.
It was such a debacle.
It's so bad.
And it is so bad.
And it's kind of a sinking ship.
And, you know, I think he understands that that's always going to be a blemish on his record, right?
And he's just getting out early.
But I think with Cash and Trump and everything, this is going to follow them.
And the thing that sucks is Kash Patel has done some good work, bro.
He really has.
Like, if you look at the numbers, like, again, I can analyze the numbers because I used to do this type of work.
I can appreciate it.
But the American public doesn't give a fuck, man, because this Epstein thing has been absolutely dominating the news cycle where they don't even get recognition for all the other stuff that they do.
And this is the fault of multiple people.
This isn't just the fault of Pam Bonnie and Kash Patel.
This is the fault of Donald Trump.
This is the fault of Tosi Gabbard.
This is the fault of everybody from the IC with not declassifying these Epstein files in a timely fashion.
So that's kind of my take on it.
I wonder what's going to happen.
I'm guessing he's going to lean on some form of a non-disclosure claim that, hey, he can't talk about this stuff.
Oh, yeah, he won't be able to talk about any of it.
Yeah.
So he won't be able to, yeah.
Because his audience is going to look at him and say, I don't even know how many people believe the pipe bomber, but they're going to say, you know, Epstein, deep state arrest.
Like, you know, you're kind of coming back to your audience empty-handed here.
This is going to be a little awkward.
So it'll be interesting to see how that kind of goes for him.
But to me, the other takeaway of that is I also heard him and Pam Bonte don't get along.
That's what I heard.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I think everybody's frustrated with Pam Bonte at this point.
She seems like a really sweet lady, but as far as getting anything done, yeah, I don't think anybody's really happy with that.
But my, you know, my other thing with the Bongino departure is if Dan really still believed that this administration was going to do what we want it to do, if Dan really still believed that this administration was going to say get deep state arrest, drain the swamp, whatever, and the corruption, then obviously he would make the same measurements in the reverse order and say, okay, I have to stick around because then when I leave, my legacy is going to be like this.
You know, I'm going to return to my podcast as a fucking hero.
So I've got to stick here for four years and finish this work because then when I go back, you know, it's going to be like a king's welcome.
So to me, the fact that he's leaving was like a red flag.
To me, it was like, hey, guys, it ain't happening.
It ain't happening.
And I got to get out now before the career damage is done.
Because if I go back empty-handed in four years, it looks a lot worse than four months.
Yeah.
And not only that, you know, as deputy director, he's not really calling the shots, right?
Like it's Kash Patel and Bondi that are calling the shots.
So like he doesn't even have really 100% control of what's going on here.
So I think from his perspective, not only does he want to probably do more or thinks maybe he's capable of doing more, he can't do it because he doesn't have the reins, right?
So yeah, it's just this Epstein thing, bro, is a dumpster fire.
It literally is going to be a big blemish on all of these guys' records, unfortunately.
And I know they're releasing the documents now, but you see that they had to like take some of the documents back because they didn't, you know, redact all the people's names and shit.
It's so bad.
Yeah, so bad.
This whole thing.
And it's clear now.
It's pretty clear.
Some people had theorized before, but I think it's clear now.
When they talk about victims, they're actually talking about clients.
That's the victims.
Now, they're saying, you know, their argument here, their logic is that the victim is the person being blackmailed, right?
So, okay, the victim is the person that, let's say, raped the girl or graped the girl or groped the young in or had the mine or whatever.
They're saying that was the victim of Epstein's blackmail.
So they're kind of conflating the actual victims of the crimes, the actual ladies that were the victims of the crimes.
They're conflating it with the perps, but they're saying they were victims too because they didn't realize they were in some entrapment scheme or whatever it was from Epstein.
I think that it's pretty clear that that was the logic that they were using here when they say we're protecting the victims, but they blew it badly.
You know, here's a question since you've been there.
Yeah.
How could they have blown this so badly?
Is it really just the incompetence of Pam Bondi?
Because this isn't like something that just landed on their desk even a couple months ago.
This has been sitting in the southern district of New York.
This has been sitting in the FBI for more than 10 years.
I mean, this is a 10-year-old file.
How can they sit here and say, oh, we need time?
So as someone that's like looked through case files before and how complex it could be, so there's multiple problems with why we didn't get what we needed in a timely fashion.
So, and this is what I mean when I say like we can't just blame Kash Patel and Pam Bondi.
We got to hold the whole federal government accountable.
So to understand this, Epstein, right, we know was an intelligence asset for Israeli intelligence, right?
One of these agencies, whether it's Massage, Shinbet, whatever, he was providing some type of information to a foreign government's intelligence services.
Off of that alone, that is going to have a CIA file.
I already know because it's international.
I'm sure there's a DIA file.
There's probably an NSA file and multiple other intelligence component agencies have a file on Epstein.
The FBI also has an Intel file on Epstein, and they also have a criminal case file on Epstein.
And the two are different because in the criminal case, everything's got to come to light, right, for prosecution, the sex trafficking, et cetera.
But all the other stuff that he was doing with the foreign governments, all the other stuff, or who he was blackmailing or whatever, that's going to be on the high side, which is what we call classified.
And that stuff can't make it into court.
So, since that stuff can't make it into court, you have to go through a different route to get it, if that makes sense.
So, I think a big problem here is that we didn't put enough pressure on the intelligence community, the IC and Tulsi Gabbard to get us this stuff.
We put all the blame on Pam Bondi and Kash Patel, which they're responsible too.
But there's definitely way more stuff.
And I'll give you an example.
I'll tell you what I mean by this.
I was watching Kash Patel's testimony right after Charlie Kirk died.
Remember, he had to go up and testify a thing in front of the Senate after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, answer questions about the FBI.
They asked him, one of the people, hey, what's the deal with Epstein files?
Why did you guys not release them?
And what Cash said was very clever, but I don't think, I don't know if people notice this.
He said, I've released everything that I can legally release.
And when he said that, I knew, okay, there's a high side, classified stuff, and then there's a criminal side.
He's basically saying we released all the criminal stuff and the stuff that's been declassified, but there's other stuff that isn't declassified that needs to get out there.
And I suspect that it's probably from the intelligence agencies like NSACI, whatever, because FBI might have these documents, but they can't release them because the way the government works is if you have classified information and it's not, and it was lent to you by another agency, legally, you cannot share that information with anyone else because you don't make the call if it's going to be declassified or not because it is not FBI source material.
You might have it if you're lucky enough, but you absolutely can't share it.
And that has to come from them.
Wasn't that the law that Bill Clinton signed that they ultimately determined was why they couldn't share intelligence before 9-11?
Is that the same process?
Yeah.
So there's this rule in the government, even now post-9-11, where there's like a third agency rule.
So like if you have information and you got it from an agency, you can't pass it to another agency without getting confirmation from that agency.
Now, when it comes to terrorism, FBI is always going to take the lead on that, right?
You have to, if you get something with terrorism, you have to pass it over to them and let them investigate it.
You could be involved in a case or whatever as well if there's an excess to terrorism, but they're going to take it.
But in general, information sharing has always been a problem of the federal government.
I mean, hell, we know Kash Patel got in it with, I think, Tulsi Gabbard and her, who's their number two guy?
I forget his name.
Joe Kent.
Right?
I know they had gotten into it because they were snooping around on the Charlie Kirk thing and, you know, it's a criminal case, whatever.
But the point I'm trying to make is that the FBI and the CIA have never liked each other.
And for us to get everything, we need to go through the IC as well.
And that's where I think they've messed up a lot.
You know, Tulsi Gabbard, I think, has kind of strategically stayed quiet and behind the scenes.
And it seems like when she does have to make a public statement, it almost seems like a hostage situation.
You know, my theory with Gabbard is that she cut a deal with Trump sometime along the campaign trail.
Basically, she was like, okay, you know, I'll drop out and endorse you, but you're going to give me a role in this administration.
And I'll win over some of that trust with some of those centrist liberals, some of the libertarians that like me.
I'll win over some of that trust.
We'll translate that to votes, but you're going to put me in your administration.
Now, they may have agreed to the exact role at that time or not, but that's how I think Tulsi Gabbard ended up in the administration.
And I think that she's very, my reading of it is that she's very uncomfortable right now.
You know, she's basically contradicting.
She's contradicting everything that she said four years ago.
I think she knows that she's kind of in a hostage situation, but she wants to stay there because I think she cares.
I think she cares about the country.
She wants to know what's going on behind the scenes, but she's staying strategically quiet.
But when she does pop up and make a statement, you're like, you know, hey, blink twice if you're, you know, if you're in trouble.
You're spot on.
I'm going to strengthen your argument right now.
First, remember, she said Iran doesn't have nukes, and then she completely switched her tone.
You're 100% right, Owen.
Like, she's absolutely given an SOS.
And, you know, anyone that understands what she said before versus now will know that because I remember vividly, she went and testified and said, yeah, at this point, Iran does not have a capable nuclear program.
It's for energy purposes only.
Then, as soon as Israel wanted to attack them and they did the sneak attack and everything else like that, she had to roll it back and be like, oh, yeah, we do think that they have nuclear weapons now, blah, blah, blah.
It's bullshit, bro.
And now it's actually, you know, since it's relevant to the conversation, we're going to see a war probably in 2026, man.
I think Israel and Iran are absolutely going to go to war.
They've both been mobilizing.
Netanyahu's coming to the White House very soon.
And, you know, they're using the guise of, oh, we're going to come and talk about Hezbollah and Lebanon and disarming Hezbollah, which for my audience, guys, I'll cover this in more detail.
Don't worry after I talk with Owen.
But what I really think they're going to meet about is striking Iran again.
They're using the Hezbollah thing as like the main topic, but the real topic is going to be Iran because they did this bullshit the last time.
When he was here in March and he said, I'm here for tariffs.
No, bro.
He was there for fucking Operation Rising Lion, which they did three months later.
So we already have the trend.
Show up on some pretense.
Three months later, you're fucking attacking Iran.
And I think that's exactly what's going to happen here.
And think about it like this.
Maybe the Trump administration or Trump himself would have been hesitant or instinctually would have said, you know what?
Hey, enough is enough.
We gave you your strikes.
What's something else we can do here?
But now, who needs a distraction more than Donald Trump?
Who needs a distraction more than President Trump?
No one.
That's who.
Not even Netanyahu.
I think Trump needs a distraction more so than Netanyahu.
Well, what's a greater distraction than blowing some stuff up?
There's no greater distraction than blowing some stuff up.
So I agree with your analysis.
I think that's going to be, I think we're going to enter 2026 pretty fast, and it's going to be flash bang boom.
And we're looking at another potential war.
And Netanyahu is up for re-election soon.
So I think for him, getting into a war is going to give him wartime powers where just like Zelensky, he won't have to go anywhere.
So I predicted that's what's going to happen.
And they're using the excuse of, oh, they've rearmed their ballistic missiles and it's a threat against our security.
First, it was nuclear weapons.
Then it was their uranium is too high.
Then it was the, now it's going to be, they still have a ballistic missile program, blah, blah, blah because when they were, I remember when they were negotiating with Steve Wyckoff, like they had been going back and forth where, you know, first it was, hey, you can't enrich at this level.
All right, cool.
We won't enrich at that level.
Oh, you know what?
You can't enrich at all.
What?
Oh, and we need you to get rid of that.
Now, okay, cool.
Oh, now we need you guys to get rid of your ballistic missile program.
So they just keep asking for more and more.
And that's why theyrania is like, what the fuck, bro?
And I think that they were doing that.
And Trump even admitted this, to stall for time to give the Israelis the time to be able to get behind enemy lines and blow them up.
And I'll tell you something else interesting, too, that I found out.
Oh, and I'd love to get your take on this.
So John Kiricow, a guy that used to work for the CIA, he went on a podcast like a week ago.
Oh, you know him?
Dude, I got to get him on my show.
Have you talked to him before?
No.
Yeah, yeah, I can probably hook that up for you.
Oh, you're the man, dude.
I'll look into that for you when we get off here.
You're the man.
But I'm curious to see if you had seen this interview then.
So he did an interview like a week or two ago, and he said that, according to his sources, the reason why Trump bombed Iran and bombed the nuclear facilities, et cetera, is because Israel threatened to use nuclear weapons if the United States didn't.
And that's very scary because this isn't the first time that the Israelis have threatened to do this.
And now it makes sense because I remember, I remember me and you were pissed off.
When we uh, when we were um uh, talking about this conflict and saying like what the is going on, why is he going to war, we said no new wars.
Like the whole base was pissed.
Everybody was like, why are you trying to fight with Iran?
This is now it makes sense, because then Trump goes on and says, I stopped World War III.
None of us knew what the he meant.
But what he really meant was, I bombed these nuclear facilities to prevent Israel from using a nuclear bomb.
And it gets better.
The reason why Israel said i'm gonna use, we're gonna use nuclear bombs And the mainstream media never covered this is because Iran was fucking Tel Aviv up, dude.
They were absolutely destroying them.
They were bombing the hell out of Haifa.
They're bombing the hell out of Tel Aviv.
They're hitting all their strategic sites.
So Israel purposely didn't let reporters report on that because they didn't want the Iranians to know what they were successfully bombed and which one they did.
And now it's leaking a few months later because they couldn't keep it under wraps for long, but it's all making sense.
Israel attacks Iran.
Iran is blind for 24 hours.
24 hours later, Iran sends them a whole bunch of missiles.
Israel defends against some of the missiles, but a lot get through.
They sent hypersonics and a couple others that got through and started destroying the infrastructure.
They knew they couldn't sustain the war for long because on top of that, their interceptors were going down.
They tell Trump, we need a ceasefire.
If you don't fucking broker this ceasefire, we're going to nuke them.
Trump putting in a bad spot with his base pressured.
All right, I'm going to use a nuclear bomb.
Sorry, I'm going to bomb their facilities and then end this war.
And now it makes sense why he did what he did based on what John Kirico said.
Yeah.
And let's add a little more color to that too.
Trump came out in 2023, I believe, during a TV interview, and he basically said, we did a head fake in Syria.
He said in 2017 and 18, we did a head fake in Syria.
I think he did the same thing with Iran.
I think he called up Iran and he said, look, guys, I'm coming.
All right.
I'm coming.
You have 12 hours.
Okay.
We're dropping a bomb on this facility.
You know it's coming.
You're going to let our people fly in.
You're going to let us bomb this facility.
This is the path of least resistance because Israel is going to hit you with a nuke and there's nothing I can do to stop it.
So you're going to let our boys fly in.
You're going to let us bomb this facility.
You got 12 hours to get your shit out of there.
And we're dropping the bomb and we're going to come out and we're going to declare victory.
And remember, after that, Netanyahu was like, oh, they didn't really hit it.
And Trump was like, emphatically like, we destroyed it.
Stop it.
It's over.
Stop.
Just stop it.
We blew it up.
It was like, please don't.
And Netanyahu was like, oh, you barely damaged it.
And so you go back to the Syria thing and you realize, you know, I feel like you kind of only get once.
I feel like you only get one shot at that.
It's like, all right, we're going to let you do the head fake right now.
This is the position we're in.
But now look at the situation in Syria.
Obviously, Assad has fallen.
Jolani's taken over.
Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Mossad operative runs it now.
Israel's taking the land.
So you kind of get the feeling that the same situation is starting to play out in Iran.
And again, even if Trump instinctually or his administration is like, hey, this is different.
We don't want involved here.
They might be behind the wall.
They might be back against the wall right now and feel like, hey, we need a distraction.
And who knows what else?
Because let's remember too, before we started getting these Epstein file drops, somebody was drip, drip, dripping to the media against Trump.
Remember that.
Somebody was drip, drip, dripping to the media.
The letters were coming.
Yeah, this wasn't coming from U.S. intelligence.
Okay, so we can only assume.
But that could start to happen again.
So all of these things kind of factor in right when we enter 2026.
And I feel like, you know, Trump is kind of entering the new year a little less comfortable.
And if I think about vengeance, I feel like Trump's vengeance is no longer going to be against the deep state.
I feel like it's against us now.
I feel like his vengeance is against us.
I feel like his vengeance is against us because we won't support him no matter what.
I feel like he wants unconditional loyalty and support.
He said as much.
He's not getting it.
And so now I'm just worried.
He's just going to say, fuck it.
I'm just going to do what I want to do.
I'm going to enrich my friends and family.
We're going to build this new AI quantum computing data center infrastructure.
And the hell with my base if they don't support me.
The hell with my base if they want to see the Epstein file.
Screw them.
We're going to go ahead and take our own path.
And by the way, I don't have to run for reelection again.
So that's kind of where I see it going.
And these are the two smartest men on the internet right here.
So let us cook.
Yeah.
No, that's, I mean, very interesting analysis that has me, you know, thinking, because I mean, we, we, hell, I mean, he ran it, he ran a crypto coin right when he came in, right?
So he might have already had that mindset from before.
Like, I need to make a bunch of money.
Because also, like we discussed before, his legal troubles put him in a very bad spot.
Donald Trump is the only president that went in at a certain net worth and came back out poor.
Like if people forget that, every other president that comes in, every politician that goes in, goes in, making a certain amount of money and comes out a multi-millionaire.
Trump went in as like a billionaire, multi-billionaire, and his net worth went down from going up.
I mean, obviously, he's still very rich.
Don't get it twisted, but his net worth went down when he came out the first time.
So, and then on top of that, you add all the legal bills and everything.
You know, I think he did have to say, you know, we got to look out for us and he's not going to run again.
So, and his health is obviously, we know that he has health problems with the bulging of his ankles and stuff like that.
So, yeah, dude, we'll see what happens.
But, I mean, I think a war with Iran is inevitable at this point.
The Israelis are already drumming up an excuse, and now it's going to be their ballistic missile program.
First, it was uranium, then it was their nuclear program, blah, blah.
And I also like the fact that you mentioned, you know, you wouldn't be surprised if Trump didn't notify the Iranians that they were going to hit him.
Because I'll tell you this.
They came in at night, they bombed the facilities, and that's it.
When the United States bombed Iran, I don't think there were any casualties.
They literally got in, bombed the facilities, got the hell out.
No one died.
And I don't know if you heard this story.
I remember when they bombed the first time, people said that they snuck out like somewhere between one to 400 kilos of uranium.
So your theory, your analysis makes sense.
No one got killed.
They got the uranium out and Trump was able to end the war as amicably as possible.
And then for, and then on top of that, what did the Iranians do?
They sent a symbolic strike towards the base in Qatar, a symbolic strike that didn't hit anything.
So yeah, I think you're spot on on that, bro.
That they have to keep up the image that we're willing to fight.
We have military superpower.
But do we really want a war?
No.
I'm just doing the Puka Nakua.
Yeah, of course.
Yes.
Yes.
We have to do the Puka Nakua.
And meanwhile, Bet Netanyahu is in the background like this the whole time.
Like, yes.
Puka Nakua.
225 and two tutties, baby.
225 and two tutties.
So that's that's what that is.
But like, yeah, dude, it's uh, but I think that's a really good analysis.
And I think it's one of the two is going to happen by springtime next year.
Why they're going to have a full-on invasion with Venezuela or be an armed conflict with them, or we're going to be supporting Israel in the fight against Iran because Israel cannot defend itself, man.
They don't have the interceptor missiles.
Like if that war had kept going, Tel Aviv would have been flattened.
That war actually favored the Iranians the way they were fighting it.
Or we're spread too thin.
Russia and China decide to act.
India, Pakistan pops off.
Who knows what happens?
But you know what?
In the meantime, Merry Christmas.
Let's all have a Merry Christmas.
Let's all have a great time this Christmas holiday, New Year's.
Let's enjoy life before things start to get a little crazy, huh?
Yeah, because I mean, dude, the nuclear warfare.
I was talking with Jackson Inkel about this.
Apparently, Germany's ramping up, you know, creating military products.
They estimate that this war can go into like 2030.
So Germany's like ramping up production.
Well, they're telling Europeans to get ready to go to the front lines.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, if you look at like German Twitter, sorry, if you look at like European Twitter, yeah, you're right, dude.
Like, oh, man, it's bad.
And, like, that conflict is what scares me the most because Russia is a very formidable enemy and they have nukes and they have a point at all of our major cities.
Russia's no joke.
You know, it's fucking nuts, dude.
And I think Trump kind of gave up on it.
Like, because I was hoping he'd be able to do something.
And I know you got to get out of here soon.
If you need to get out of here, bro, just let me know when you want to, when you got to roll.
But one of the main reasons I voted for Trump is I wanted no new wars because, you know, it's one thing to deal with inflation and everything else.
But I think one of the things that we have zero control over is if we get into a war and it affects all of us, right?
You can always make more money, deal with inflation in that way, whatever.
Yeah, it sucks.
You know, affordability is down.
But if there's nuclear warfare, none of this matters.
Yeah.
And the human cost isn't worth it.
And I think that that's what a lot of people on the right and the left have reached the conclusion.
The human cost isn't worth it.
I am going to bounce now.
This has been great.
We've been trying to do this.
Let's do this again on my show sometime in the year 2026.
Hard to imagine I'm even saying that, but that's the case.
To all of your listeners, happy holidays.
Happy new year.
Appreciate everybody tuning into this stream.
Follow me on YouTube, X Rumble.
Myron, you're the best, brother.
No, of course, bro.
Of course.
And we're going to definitely do one soon for your show as well.
And I'm sorry.
Thank you so much for being flexible, by the way, bro.
Hell yeah.
Hell yeah.
All right, man.
Later.
And he is Owen Schroyer, guys.
Go check him out.
I'm going to show you guys his page right now.
W interview.
Give me one sec, guys.
I got to switch up the cameras.
Okay.
Here is Owen's channel, the Owen Report, right here, guys.
Go check out my guy.
Used to work for N4 Wars.
He's the homie.
Go check him out.
As you guys can see, we always have very good conversations.
We align politically on so many different things.
Smart guy, bright guy, Patriot.
January 6th or that was pardoned.
So go check him out.
So yeah, no, I hope you guys enjoyed that.
He's definitely one of the homies.
I'm going to go jump on his show.
He's one of my favorite people to talk to.
He really is.
Whenever I do a collab with Owen, it's a banger.
So, but yeah, go check out his channel, guys.
It's right here.
Drop the link in the chat for you guys.
Go please.
Let's get him to 30,000.
And yeah, okay.
So yeah, guys, we're going to continue on with the analysis.
Let's see here with a bunch of this stuff.
We got a lot of stuff to cover.
I might not cover all the stuff, but we will definitely cover a lot.
Because I think I'm going to go live tomorrow too, guys.
So I will save.
I will save some of the stuff.
But let me read some of these chats.
So we got, and thank you guys for being patient on this, by the way.
We got T-Fred with the, hold on one second.
I just.
T-Fred with the one gifted sub.
And also, yo, like the goddamn video, bro.
Yo.
Dom DeMonco.
I got to ask you guys a question.
Which other streamer can you turn on pause where we're having in-depth political analysis like you guys just heard now for an hour?
Then we're going to cover some true crime with this brown shooter.
Then we're going to cover bimbos and red pill shit, right?
I got some videos here that I need to, you know, one red pill a day keeps the doctor away.
I try to do at least one red pill segment every show because you guys need this constant reminding of how to deal with women.
Which other streamer can do this?
Who else is this diverse?
In-depth political analysis, geopolitical affairs, how to deal with women, how to make money, true crime shit when it comes to covering current events with shooters and everything else like that.
Come on, bro.
So like the video, bro.
Most diversified ninja out here, bro.
By far.
No one comes close.
I'm the best.
Pause.
I sound a little cocky, but yo, I take my craft seriously.
Guys, I don't go outside.
I don't have a social life.
I live my life around streaming.
I live my life around watching news.
Even when I'm not on air, I'm researching shit.
Right up until I turn that camera on, right?
When I'm playing the music for y'all sometimes, whatever, I'm researching shit right then and there, too.
So, yeah, man.
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Curb Stormer says they will go after Ice Agents within US 81324.
They get a majority of the midterms.
Curbstormer, I don't know that's wrong, bro.
8 USC 1324 is human smuggling.
Why would they go after Ice Agents for that?
That doesn't make sense.
Ice Agent's the ones that charge that charge.
That's a charge that, yeah, I think you have something mixed up.
Reports are saying Anne Frag diaries are fraudulent.
The Jays and their lies.
Bro, you already know.
Come on, man.
Ballpoint pens.
Anyone?
Dee Green, no matter who is in office, all kinds of shit's going to go sideways.
Facts.
Lucid, Mario, question for you and Owen.
What do you think is more to blame for the failures of this administration aside from Trump Patel, head of the FBI or Tulsi Gabbard, head of the DNA?
Also, I watch both of you daily.
Much love and respect.
Both of them are.
Both of them are to blame.
Because you guys got to remember, like, okay, I'll give you guys the perfect example of what I mean by this.
Who are you supposed to Zelda?
The Legend of Zelda.
Give me ones in the chat if you guys played The Legend of Zelda.
Give me ones in the chat.
I'm going to explain this away that you guys can understand.
Give me one to the chat if you guys are familiar with The Legend of Zelda.
Perfect.
Perfect.
Yeah, so to answer your question.
So when it comes to this Epstein crap, guys, okay, think of like the Triforce if we're going to talk about Link, right?
You got the three pieces of the Triforce.
Patel has one side.
Tulsi and the intelligence community is going to have another side.
And then, you know, other members of the Intel community are going to have another side.
So to have the full picture, you must have all three parts of the Triforce.
And Patel can't give you what Tulsi has, and Tulsi can't give you what Patel has.
Does that make sense?
That is basically the Epstein files.
We don't have the full trifle.
That's what the problem is.
OK, Cash says, I think that Bongino had a clear vision of what he wanted to get done at the FBI, but he got frustrated with the bureaucracy and probably felt like he was getting more done with his voice podcasting.
Yeah, I mean, also, he's a deputy director, so he doesn't really have the authority to like, you know, make like, you know, really big decisions because he doesn't run it.
Cash and Pam Bonnie do.
Curbstormer, home escalator will be under a magnifying glass looking for violation of rights under color of law.
By left, they win a majority.
Mazmau, probably the two most genuine political commentators.
Hope to see you guys collab more often.
Absolutely.
Cash, I just got here.
Who is the Jay Santa?
Okay, Curb Stomper.
Okay with the memes is crazy, bruh.
Guys, I'm really 10 and up for Super Chat.
So if you guys donate on Rumble Rants, make sure to, it's got to be 10 up.
I'll read this one for now, but 10 up from here.
Iran news facilities that Trump bombed were closed down.
Trump did them a favor by demolishing old plans.
Probably.
DHL Martin, did you see Osmond Gold confirmed the viral clip showing the ability to copy paste specific redacted documents from the Epstein files live on stream?
DOJ fucked up big time.
No, I didn't, but I'll have this in the queue, though.
Okay.
Interesting.
Love one of my two favorite streamers, Glad Big W, got you.
Young Dag says, Am I with Epstein files?
Can this affect Trump presidents if he has some involvement?
Isaiah says, I wouldn't be surprised if Ben Shapiro would say celebrating Christmas is anti-Semitic because it's Jesus' birthday and Jews hate Jesus.
Okay.
Spirit told the family you're invited to Sunday sauce, Kabich.
You don't love you, Martin.
Are you guys still doing Monday Mondays, Omanizer's Wednesday, Friday show on the FNF platform?
We're doing Monday Mondays, but we're not doing as many call-in show Fridays or Omanizer Wednesdays because we can't post that shit on YouTube.
So, but we are going to, you guys are going to see a big takeover in 2026.
Stay tuned.
Fresh of it is going to come out swinging.
Martin, can we get a health and finish stream for everyone who wants to start their news revolution?
Yeah, we can.
Curb Stormer, again, thank you.
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So this one is hilarious.
Check this out.
Starting a relationship with an Arab man.
Run my hometown.
Maybe we are united.
So as you guys can see here, she says starting a relationship with an Arab guy, and then she ends up becoming a single mom.
Bro, this right here defines, this is just like females just not having any type of accountability as usual, bro.
It's like, oh, I was with this guy.
I had a kid with him.
Then he left me.
Now I'm a single mom.
Oh, no.
And it's like, bro, you let this dude smash, bro.
Like, you, what?
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So, like, if you're a woman, you have all the reproductive rights.
Why are you flipping out here?
Like, what's going on?
Like, what?
So, just again, this reel shows the lack of accountability that women have.
And let me make this also explicitly clear for you guys, too.
Keep in mind that this woman literally posted this on Instagram.
Okay?
She posted us on Instagram.
You know what that means?
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No shame whatsoever posting this video.
Normally, right?
Single mothers used to be shunned.
Fun fact for you guys.
Ted Bundy, his mom, his mom lived in like one of these homes back in the day where if you were a single mother, you had to live in these homes if you had your kid, right?
It was kind of like a scarlet letter.
Nowadays, being a single mom is like a flex.
There's no more shame in it, which is why we have so many of them.
Right?
Used to be women will be shamed for divorcing their husbands and destroying the family and hurting their kids in the long run.
Now they don't care.
Their happiness overrides the family.
And that's the culture that we have now.
So it is what it is, dude.
It's absolutely nuts.
But what can you do?
Right?
Let me.
We'll go on to the next one.
All right.
Here's another short clip.
This fucking chick, bruh.
I'm like, I don't want to be doing this.
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Let me show y'all this.
This other chick, bro, announced her retirement.
What's her name, Carmilla, or some shit like that?
Is this her?
No.
Here, give me one sec, chat.
I'm gonna find it for y'all right now.
One of these, like, OF dots.
Because I'm trying to illustrate a point here.
How long we been on?
We've been on.
Okay.
Guys, in about nine minutes, I'm going to switch to Rumble and party and kick and shit like that.
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So I don't have to censor myself.
Then we're going to go to OSS.
And honestly, guys, get ready because I think I might stop streaming on YouTube.
This channel.
It's creating a lot of fucking headaches for me.
Let me see here if I can.
Where the hell did I put this?
Bro.
All right.
I'm going to find the scroll.
All right, here we go.
I found it.
So the caption is, the end of an era.
Not beating with anyone and not clocking tea.
So let's talk about it.
I haven't even said this out loud.
Y'all know when I sit here, it means I have something to say.
And before you even think it, no, I'm not beating with anyone and not clocking tea.
So let's talk about it.
I haven't even said this out loud really to people.
And this is crazy.
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Yeah, I'm quitting.
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I'm quitting.
And I know you guys have a lot of questions.
So I'm here to answer them.
Let's take it step by step.
Okay.
I've actually told a few of my friends this, and I think when they hear me say that, they're like, oh my God, are you quitting social media?
No, I'm not doing that.
I'm not leaving you guys really lacking or mean that's forever.
Okay.
I'm not quitting content.
I feel like a lot of the girls that left that platform just went about it in such a cringe way.
They either like talked bad about the girls that did it or just turned against it so hard.
Let's get one thing straight.
I don't regret it.
And some of my best friends still do it.
I still support my girls.
I love them so much.
I'm just, I'm moving on to something that I actually feel is my purpose.
And it's going to actually fulfill my soul and fulfill what I think I'm meant to do in this life.
That platform is where I made my first million dollars.
It's where I retired my parents.
It's where I bought my first home.
I was able to help hundreds of people through it.
You know, like I'm so incredibly grateful for how far that platform has taken me.
But the more I focused on social media and like actually being a content creator and honestly really putting my real personality out there, I grew beyond what I could have ever imagined.
And I think it really opened my eyes to the different possibilities outside of, you know.
And, you know, I want to do something that caters to all of you guys and makes me happy.
Like, I'm not saying I wasn't happy, but at some point, I just, I outgrew it.
And I'm honestly just so excited to start something new that's mine and that I'm so incredibly proud of.
So where does that bring me to?
All right, let me give you a quick rundown.
On New Year's, the ball drop, midnight, boom, fireworks, new year's.
Okay.
My links are switching.
What are they switching to?
I don't know.
Stay tuned because it's going to be literally fucking insane.
And I cannot wait for you guys to see it.
Okay.
That was fucking painful, but I'm going to play it.
I wanted you guys to hear it one time without me interrupting.
Now we're going to go ahead and play it again.
And I'm going to give some commentary.
Y'all know when I sit here, it means I have something to say.
And notice how this girl and this thought, who are both, both these girls are big OnlyFans chicks.
Both of them are saying they're quitting.
Say, and before you even think it, no, I'm not beating with anyone and not clocking T.
So let's talk about it.
I haven't even said this out loud really to people.
And this is crazy.
I'm quitting OnlyFans.
Now, let's ask why she's quitting OnlyFans.
All right, bro.
Let's go to Rumble real quick, man.
Because I'm going to have to censor myself saying this shit on fucking YouTube, bro.
Yo, let's go to Rumble.
Rumble, kick, or party.
Any of the three that you guys want.
Okay.
I won't have to censor myself as much because staying on YouTube, bro, it's going to just hurt the quality, man.
And I can't rant the way I want, man.
It's fucking stupid.
It's really stupid.
But yeah, come over to Kick Guys or Rumble, any of them.
And then we're going to cover the Epstein stuff and everything else over there as well.
Rumble, OSS, or Kick, and then or party.
And I'm going to.
You can either do a rumble or party or kick, guys.
You got options, bro.
Literally, just switch to rumble, party, or kick.
They're good.
Damn, don't cry.
I'm gonna get off YouTube, man, because this platform sucks, bro.
Normally, I'll go to OSS, but I'm gonna do a little bit of charity today.
All right, we're gonna get off YouTube now.
We're gonna break this down.
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