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Nov. 2, 2025 - MyronGainesX
01:07:56
Dave Smith And Seth Dillon Debate Nick Fuentes Becoming Mainstream
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All right, we're here.
What's up, guys?
Welcome back to the stream.
Sorry about that, ninjas.
We had some technical difficulties.
Apparently, someone paid a lot of money to DDoS my party account, and they took the website down when they knew that we were going to switch over.
So that's a good sign.
We got some powerful enemies.
I spoke to the people over at party and shit like that.
So somebody spent quite a bit of money to DDoS this chat.
Let's see here.
No, it does show up on screen, Bills.
Look at my Rumble stream right now.
We figured it out.
It shows up on screen.
What for Rumble?
I thought that the Rumble chats will still pop in Rumble Studio.
You get what I'm saying?
Oh, oh, oh, okay.
Oh, yes, I see what you're saying.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, locals.
Of course, locals and YouTube and all of them other ones are going to still work, but I was talking about yeah, like there are super chats coming in.
I see what you mean now.
I see what you mean.
And the only way to do that then is by toggling Rumble on studio.
That's the only way.
Okay, fair.
I see what you mean now.
Okay.
Fair enough.
All right.
Anything else, bro?
Or are you wanting me to let you go?
All right.
Cool.
All right.
Cool, man.
Appreciate that, bro.
Later.
All right.
Peace.
All right, guys.
There's no breaks in the train.
We still go.
We still continue on.
No breaks.
Let's get back to where were we?
We left off right here, Ninjas.
X-ray my soul.
I don't think there's a lot of hate in there.
And to the extent that they do make me feel hateful, the people who attack me, I do like say prayers about it.
I don't, we're not allowed to hate people as we forgive those who trespass against us.
That's like our core prayer.
So I just feel like it's that, I don't know.
Am I being paranoid?
I feel like going on about the Jews like helps the neocons.
Well, what about my views do you think are unreasonable if yours are reasonable?
That we live in a world of Jews and Christians, of whites and blacks.
These identities mean something to us and they mean things to each other.
And we can't sort of wish them away.
And it feels like white people and Christians are the only ones that do that.
There's no question about that, your last point, for sure.
One of the reasons they do that is because they've been taught to hate themselves, of course, since the Second World War.
Another reason is, however, the reality of a multi-ethnic country requires you to sort of set aside community or group interests in favor of corporate interests, universal interests, national interests.
And you have to do that or else it doesn't.
Sorry about that, guys.
I don't know if you guys can hear me now, but we're back up.
We're good.
We figured out this shit.
And yeah.
Work.
And so, you know, I agree those attitudes.
I mean, certainly in other parts of the world, people think this way, but you can't have that here.
And so it's just important to remind everybody that, yeah, you know, things may be generally true, but like, again, they're not always true.
And there are people who just strongly disagree.
And by the way, in the specific case of Israel, there are a ton of Orthodox who I know who are opposed to the state of Israel.
They're just Jewish.
They're more Jewish than Dave Rubin, a lot more.
And yet they oppose it.
Jeff Sachs is like the most wonderful man, the most Jewish, the most articulate kind of critic of the state of Israel that I'm aware of.
So like, I don't know, that's, that's just meaningful.
You can't, if it's, if everything is inherited, then there's no hope for the continuation of America.
Does that, do you see that?
Yeah, I don't.
And I don't think it's genetically inherited.
And what you're saying about putting aside the tribal interest for the corporate interests, that's absolutely the case.
And that's the only way the country's going to stay together.
Exactly.
Hey, guys, I'm going to be frank real quick.
Give me one sec.
I'm going to give me one sec.
I'm just going to go give him some food and shabby right back to you.
That's my concern.
And I absolutely agree with you.
I would say, though, that the main challenge to that, a big challenge to that is organized Jewry in America.
I don't think Bill Ackman is capable of that.
I don't think Shell Nadelson is capable of that.
I don't think Yorm Hazzoni is capable of that, for that matter.
And many other, you know, on the right and the left.
And I see it.
I see Jewishness as the common denominator.
And you're right.
It's not all Jewish people feel the same way.
No one would say that, but that does seem to be the common denominator.
And I just feel like it needs to be called out explicitly.
And I like what you said.
If the other day, if you're serving in another country's military or have dual citizenship, you really can't be a part of this project.
that's just that's an easy one but i am much more comfortable as a christian and an american keeping it on that level because you know it's easy to just set rules that universal rules that apply to everyone not just the jews or the christians or the anybody just like americans can only serve in the u.s military or they lose their passport i mean i don't know that's not hard and i don't know why not want to just say that say what that why not
every statement about how Americans ought to behave applicable to all Americans.
Like it's the defense of universal values that will hold the country together and the emphasis on parochial or group values that will break it apart inevitably.
Because this is a particular issue and it's acute.
Like I said, I think they are unique in that way.
I think that's a unique issue, especially in the Republican Party, especially in the conservative scene.
So how would you like this all to be resolved?
What I would like is for the U.S. government to not be influenced by these kinds of foreign allegiances, not with money that comes from American citizens like Sheldon Adelson, not from foreign lobbyists.
So, I mean, in terms of tangible things, I don't think we disagree on any of it, like registering AIPAC and FARA, banning dual citizenship.
I'm basically in agreement.
80% of the public agrees with those things.
So that's kind of what gets me a little bit annoyed.
It's like these are, like America first, the concept, it's the most popular, self-evidently true idea you could have.
Don't let foreign powers, especially tiny ones far away, control your country.
Like, of course not.
Everyone agrees with that on both sides.
Yeah.
So the trick is not to let that idea get subverted.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
And I think we agree on that.
But it's subverted when they're like, that's hate.
No, that's hate.
It's not hate.
Yeah.
Well, and, you know, here's what I will say.
I think that there is increasingly a contingent, because what you're talking about exists.
When you say that there are people that legitimately detract from this, there is legitimate racial hatred out there.
Big time.
And it's growing.
I know.
And people on our side are afraid to talk.
People are getting the fatigue.
If you know from which group, people are absolutely getting the fucking fatigue.
Yeah, guys, what happened was when I switched over to party, someone DDoS attacked me, bro, and took the website down.
I don't know why they did that.
Well, and we know why.
But that's what ended up happening.
Someone DDoS attacked, got taken down.
We're good now, though.
But, man, that was a pain in the ass.
So I had to restart the stream and everything else like that.
And, guys, I use, like, pretty, like, I'm not going to lie.
I have a very complex setup that I have here.
Between my audio and my video and how I do everything, everything is very complex, so I have to do things in a certain way.
And since I stream to so many different platforms, you know, on one end I'm using...
obs but i'm also using a streaming uh like a a web browser as well and i'm using like other software to do these streams it's not easy to do it man i mean look you guys can see here I got a fucking spaceship behind me over here.
You guys can see, literally, I have, you know, Rumble Studio running over here.
I got fucking kick running over here, OBS running over here.
And I got a bunch of other shit over here that I'm doing as well.
So you guys can get the stream.
So lots of stuff going on, lots and lots of stuff going on.
You know, obviously, you know, when one thing goes wrong, everything goes wrong.
So I apologize for that.
But yeah, someone basically with me right when I was switching over to party, which is what ended up making the transition not happen as smoothly as we wanted.
But we're back up on Rumble, right?
We're back up on all the platforms right now: Rumble Party, everything else like that.
For you guys that are watching on Rumble, you know, I had to basically use a whole other thing to get back up on Rumble.
That's why you guys had a little bit more of a delay.
So that's what it is.
That's what it pretty much was.
Let me read some of these chats real quick.
Ben Dover says, I'm not leaving.
Thank you so much.
Guilty Woman says, Myron, there was a Scott guy on Rumble who kept saying he demonetized you on YouTube.
Yeah, bro, niggas, people just lie.
They don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
I don't think it's Mike Fatigue.
I think it's okay.
All right.
Thanks, buddy.
Talk about it because they know, like you said, they're going to get called a cuck or a squish or whatever.
And I agree with you.
The people that are detracting from that need to be called out.
And I think there should be no harbor for cruelty, hatred, prejudice, those kinds of things.
And some of them, I'm sorry to be a conspiracy nut.
I really try not to be a conspiracy because it's embarrassing, you know.
But after January 6th, then just finding out the number of FBI personnel in the crowd.
That red pilled a lot of people.
And January 6th, man, like again, the one-time conservatives mobilized, everybody got in trouble, bro.
It's like, and I've just seen this.
David Duke is a great example.
Some of these are the Charlottesville rally had a bunch of feds there being like, we're white supremacists.
We hate the blacks.
You know, you see the Edward, whatever.
You know, it's like, that's not real.
Like, there is some of that going on, don't you think?
I think that there's a lot of sincere people for sure.
I completely agree.
You know, and they're just numbskulls.
And some of them are legitimately, they see the opening that there's legitimate critique of this, and they see an opening to air out their grievances.
They get a license to, they think it's okay now.
And I do think it's important to differentiate and say that fundamentally, I guess the word that I would use, I've been thinking about this a lot lately, is reassurance because I think there's a legitimate legitimate need to reassure people.
And this is kind of what I've been doing on these podcasts that we don't want to harm anybody.
We don't want to kill anybody.
We don't want to harm anybody.
We just want to put America first.
And let's go into the political violence in America.
This is something I've been talking about for a minute.
And I'm glad Trump finally made Antiva a terrorist organization, motherfuckers.
Describe the circumstances that have led to this violence.
Like, how does a normal kid, young man, go from being a normal young man to being a murderer?
I think that it has a lot to do.
If you read through all these stories, they always have a few things in common, which is that, and people have pointed this out.
This is not new.
SSRIs are always a big one.
Of course.
But what that points to is a depressive streak.
It's always somebody that is a loner, socially dislocated or socially dysfunctional.
You know, they don't have many real-life friends, engage in real-life activities, slip through the cracks.
That's always how it starts.
Then they get into either they're medicated by a therapist with SSRIs or they self-medicate, which is yo, Johnny Duck, stop doing that dumb shit, bro.
In the OSS chat, man.
Dude, if you keep doing that, I'm going to literally have to ban you, bro.
The chat's on the screen, you dumbass.
What the fuck are you doing?
Extremely common with alcohol, weed, which is extremely potent now.
And you could get THC from like a vape pen.
So it's very powerful, very accessible.
You know, when I was in high school, my stoner friends would have to like go on a walk to the park and roll a joint.
Now, with the vape, you can hit that anywhere, I guess.
Of course.
It's very discreet.
They also do psychedelics.
I think that's a huge part of it.
And how is that a huge part of it?
I think that a lot of them get turned on.
They'll do alcohol, marijuana.
And then I think they get into psychedelics like LSD or MDMA.
And I think those things induce psychosis, these psychoactive drugs, whether it's marijuana by itself or it's LSD, I think they tend to induce psychosis and exacerbate those like existing problems.
And basically what happens, I would say that that is maybe the next step.
And then the other ingredient that's always there is although they don't have a social life in the real world, they have a social life on the internet.
Yes.
And so they're deeply involved in obscure internet forums, discord, gaming communities.
Increasingly, chat GPT is inducing psychosis.
People talk to chat GPT all day, all night.
And you basically have between the three of these things, they kind of go into like a different world between the psychoactive substances, the make-believe reality of the internet.
And I would say also AI makes people significantly stupider because people don't like research stuff on their own or don't care to learn on their own.
They just rely heavily upon AI, AI for everything.
Totally disconnected from the real world.
I think they enter into like this delusional state.
And I think that's where that shooter in Minneapolis, I think that's what that was.
I think if Tyler Robinson is found guilty, there's been some interesting screenshots about him and his transgender boyfriend.
It's the same story there, if that's true.
And I would imagine it was not dissimilar with the guy that showed up and tried to kill me.
I think those are always the ingredients.
Always deranged individuals.
It's that produced that kind of violence.
It's interesting, your audience, as I imagine it.
I've never seen any of your numbers.
I don't even know how big your audience is.
It seems big to me.
Come on, Tucker.
Stop bullshitting, bro.
You wouldn't bring him on if he wasn't big, bro.
Come on, man.
Stop.
We're not stupid, bro.
And here's the thing with Tucker, guys.
You guys got it.
I don't know if you guys have caught on to this.
Tucker hides his power level a lot.
Okay.
He pretends to be aloof.
He pretends to be ignorant of a subject, et cetera.
But he's not stupid at all.
He knows exactly how big his fucking audience is.
He knows exactly how big it is.
Think of them as young men because that's that's the bulk of your audience, right?
Yes.
And yet here you are criticizing weed and video games and the internet, and you work on the internet.
You are a creation.
I mean, you wouldn't exist without the internet.
Of course.
You didn't get a job at NBC News.
So what kind of reaction do you get when you say, when you criticize weed gaming and the internet to young men?
A lot of them agree with it because they get it.
It's their life.
A lot of them, that's their life.
Their life is, and another thing we didn't even bring up is the porn thing, which is there also.
This is their life.
Weed, gaming, porn.
And I think they know it's bad.
I think they know there's like some sense of guilt.
And so it's interesting.
I would say it's maybe an 80-20 split where 20% say, oh, you're against weed.
Not cool, man.
It's just a plant.
They're very defensive about it, about these addictions.
And I think 80% say, I know I have a problem.
Like, I have a guilty conscience.
I know it's bad.
I know.
And I've told you guys, weed is literally the fucking devil, man.
For losers.
Oh, it's terrible.
Why are you against weed?
Because I think that.
Oh, actually, no, I never heard Nick's take on why he's against weed.
You guys know my reason.
Makes it lethargic.
I'm not a fan of, you know, being around a bunch of losers because most people that smoke weed are losers.
You have to get involved with the criminal underworld to even get access to it, right?
A waste of money.
Those are the reasons why I dislike it.
See what Nick's are.
That it compromises the integrity of your mental faculties.
I think there's something deeply wrong with that when you're, I'm against alcohol too.
I think it's wrong to numb pain.
I think pain is a part of life.
I think sobriety is like, should be experienced.
And I think that weed is even worse because I think that, one, it's very dangerous.
There's a lot of numbers now out of like California and Washington that people are going to the hospital for psychosis.
People are going crazy because of it.
It's also more subtle and therefore more insidious.
Like you can't, you know, well, I've done it if you have a, you know, 12-pack for breakfast, like everyone knows.
But if you take a hit off the dead pen, like nobody knows.
So you can use it all the time.
Yeah.
And it makes you a loser.
It makes you.
Of course, one guy in the chat says, I made 160K a year selling while smoking weed.
Yeah, imagine how much you would have made if you didn't smoke it.
Some dude says, I make over 160K.
What does dumb monkey say?
Let me find this shit.
I love when these one, a couple of these retards always try to make it like, what does nigga say?
I make millions a day and I smoke weed and alcohol.
Yeah, okay, Yovanni.
Sure, bro.
Sure.
Sure.
Sure, buddy.
It's either outright lying or just saying like, oh, I make 160K and I smoke weed every day.
All right, bro.
For every one person that makes six figures smoking weed every day, there's millions that don't because of the weed.
People are so fucking stupid.
And bro, I'll be honest with you, 160K a year is not that much.
So shut the fuck up, nigga.
Like, bros over here are like, I make 160K a year and I smoke weed every day.
Imagine if you didn't smoke weed, you fucking monkey.
Imagine if you didn't retard.
You lazy.
You know, people that are, people that are addicted to weed are not motivated, don't care about anything other than weed.
You know, there's sort of like an irony there where I used to hang out with a lot of stoners in high school.
I never smoked weed, but all my friends did.
And they were so chill and relaxed and didn't care about anything.
But if you criticized weed, they would freak out and get extremely defensive.
Yes, I've noticed.
Like the retard in this chat right now, hey, 160K a year smoking weed every day, bro.
Stupid nigga.
And then some other idiots, it's funny, pull the 3.9 GPA high as fuck.
Bro, how many times do I got to tell you guys that like school does not measure how intelligent you are?
It could be a component, but guaranteed, you're probably still a retard.
Right?
If you insinuate that it's addictive, if you say it's a problem, they get very like junky behavior.
And so I've always hated it.
I think it's disgusting.
What is porn exactly?
Like describe how available is porn?
What is it?
I know what porn is, but like you said it's a huge factor in the lives of young men and a bad factor.
Why?
Well, this is another thing where It's reality distortion.
That's kind of the theme.
Just like psychedelics distort reality, just like a kind of internet society is a form of delusion, so is porn in the sense that, you know, a lot of people maybe don't realize, and we talked about this a little bit, people are getting turned on to porn when they're like 10 years old.
And when you are going through puberty, when you're developing your sexual faculties, how could you stay away from that?
Every kid has a phone.
Every kid has an iPad, and every iPad and phone is, if you, you know, if you know what it is, loaded up with porn.
And it's infinite and it's ubiquitous and it's, you can get every kind of it you want, whenever you want.
It's in your pocket.
And so something that is almost never talked about is that this is a generation that's totally sexually dysfunctional, I think, because of pornography.
And some people are able to cope with it.
Some people don't have a problem.
But I think a lot of people and maybe even a small minority have a serious problem with it.
And lots of young men are addicted to it.
And here's the other thing, too, you guys got to understand.
The reason why so many guys love porn nowadays is because the access to it is so fucking easy.
It used to be niggas used to have to put on a trench coat and go to the fucking store and get the magazine or the VHS.
You know what I mean?
Dudes have to show their faces, right?
But now you could just like get porn from your house without anyone knowing.
You have to show your face before, man.
Go into the fucking store to Trent's go and your hat on.
Shit.
Now you can just get that shit from the comfort of your home anywhere.
Stream that shit in 4K.
Nuts.
Problem.
People sexually dysfunctional.
I think that it's impossible for a and you know all the losers in my chat that are like talking about how weed is great and I'm just the loser for talking about it, bro.
I don't know why you guys are watching me then.
Go watch some of these other potheads.
But you guys are watching me because you guys know I'm telling the truth when it comes to this shit.
And being realistically speaking, I don't know anyone that's like a super high performer that smokes weed every day.
Are there going to be people out there that could do it?
Sure.
But the reality is a majority of people that smoke weed every single day are fucking losers.
You guys don't like hearing that, but it's the truth.
Don't fucking sit there and make the dumbass female argument that, well, I'm good.
I make money and I smoke weed every day.
That's your dumbunk ass.
But the majority of people that smoke weed every day are fucking degenerate losers that can't stop.
Also, don't use your dumbass GPA in college or in high school about you being a potato and still making it.
Be it going to school and college in general and your grades does not reflect your IQ.
Okay?
If that were true, women wouldn't be functionally fucking retarded.
But a lot of them are, even though they have higher grades than men and they graduate at higher rates.
Why?
Because school teaches you how to be a better slave, stupid fuck.
Oh, sit with your hands folded like this.
Raise your hand when you want to speak.
Ask permission to go to the bathroom, right?
Can you sit still and memorize a bunch of shit?
Women are better at that.
Yeah.
The education system is female run, gynocentrically centered.
It's designed for fucking followers.
And guess who's followers?
Women, dumbass.
So you sitting there and telling me, oh, well, I got good grades.
Congratulations.
You're still a retard.
You got high grades in a female institution.
And let me tell y'all niggas something real quick.
I hate when you guys try to flex school.
I go to a better school than 99% of you niggas talk a shit.
Northeast University has like damn near a 5% acceptance rate.
But I still sit here and I'll tell you guys college is a fucking scam.
So don't get it twisted.
I'm not one of these guys that like didn't go to college and has a fucking chip on my shoulder.
I went to a very prestigious school and graduated.
Just so you guys fucking know Here for some of you stupid ass niggas, Northeastern has a 5% acceptance rate.
That's Ivy League, pretty much.
Okay?
This is a lower acceptance rate than some of the top Ivy League schools.
So don't fucking sit here and talk to me about college and GPAs, all this other bullshit.
And I was a D1 athlete.
So shut the fuck up.
And I'm the first person to tell you guys college is a fucking scam.
So don't use the excuse of, I get good grades.
I'm in college.
I got 3.5.
A lot of you niggas go to retarded ass fucking schools.
Retarded ass fucking state schools with like a 50% acceptance rate.
Talking about I get good grades.
Shut the fuck up.
It's all cope.
It's all fucking cope.
Honestly, if we're going to be all the way a thousand, college is easier than high school.
College is easier than fucking high school.
Hot take, but I truly do think so.
Why?
Because you pick the class that you want.
You go to class when you want.
A lot of the times it's fucking papers.
You're writing theses and shit.
So I would argue that college is actually easier than high school.
So all you fucking retards that want to sit here and talk about and use your grades as an excuse as to why you're still functioning as a pothead, that's not a good excuse.
And this is coming from someone that went to the top schools.
So save that shit for somebody else.
You're not fooling me with that bullshit.
Fucking retards, bro.
Holy shit.
I get good grades in college.
Well, guess what?
You go to a shitty state school like a 50% acceptance rate.
Shut the fuck up, dummy.
Real woman to compete with the availability and the novelty of pornography.
College has been college has basically morphed into a way for people to become degenerates for four years.
It's a socially acceptable way to be a fucking degenerate for four years.
That's what college has basically become.
And no one likes to admit that shit.
A real woman, you know, like without getting graphic, is she's only one person.
And, you know, she's maybe she wants to do something sexual.
Maybe she doesn't.
Porn is you.
Why is this loser fucking putting a bunch of caps?
This Checkmate Supreme guy.
What a fucking retard.
Bro, get the fuck out of my chat, nigga.
Get the fuck out of here.
You're going to say I'm capping now because I went to Northeast University, you fucking retard.
The fuck?
You could have 100 different women in one.
Man, I hate stupid people, bro.
God damn.
Sitting.
Doing anything that niche or it is.
Yes, alcohol is trash too.
Alcohol is for fucking losers as well.
Agreed.
Idiosyncratic thing a person might be into, it's there.
And so I think that novelty combined with that availability, it makes it so that, you know, when you think about courting a woman, juice isn't worth the squeeze.
So there's like also a problem of like erectile dysfunction, people that can't enjoy regular sex because it does not compare to the intensity, the novelty, and the availability of porn.
It's hyper-stimulation.
And so I think that's sabotaging a lot of normal sexual relationships.
It seems like it's making a lot of people gay, too.
Yeah, and trans.
You think that's true?
100%.
What is that?
I think that the novelty is a huge part of that.
I think that if you are somebody that uses pornography multiple times per day, which many people do.
Actually?
Oh, absolutely.
That's a lot of jerking off.
It's a huge problem.
Yeah.
And, you know, if you're doing that multiple times a day, every day for years since you're a kid, well, eventually you get bored and you want to move on to something more extreme.
And you're kind of, it operates, I think, similar to like a drug.
You kind of have the same kind of resistance to it that you would to a drug or a tolerance for it.
And you're always chasing that initial feeling the first time you used it or the first time you saw a certain thing.
And I think eventually you just chase more taboo, more transgressive.
And I think maybe some people are more prone to that than other people going in this really good direction.
How Charlie Sheen got AIDS, actually.
Yeah.
Through just being jaded and looking for something more transgressive.
That's just a fact.
And there's something too about what it does when you look at it.
When you, because people don't realize that it is a fundamentally different experience being involved in intercourse versus watching other people have intercourse.
And I think that actually does something to you.
Tell me.
Why we got so many cucks nowadays.
All right.
Let's get into this fucking loser.
As you guys can see, good interview, guys.
I encourage you guys all to go watch it between Tucker and Nick.
But people like Seth Dylan are losing their minds over this, right?
And there's been several people that have been angry about this interview that was done for jealousy or lack or whatever else reasons.
Lavelle says, these motherfuckers, worse than after our dumb bitches, I'm telling you, bro.
That man says, yeah, Myron is right.
Doing good in school doesn't really mean you're smart.
Absolutely.
There are women who have bachelor's degrees and still can't name three countries.
Logic and reasoning and being able to critically think and being curious are traits of a hierarchy individual.
Absolutely, bro.
A lot of idiots that have college degrees, bro.
Fuckers so weak-minded and self-unaware that they make arguments an excuse to justify the fact they're controlled by a plant that literally turns them into slow retards.
Absolutely, bro.
And the thing is, is like you get addicted to that shit.
Potheads will always sit there and tell you that they're not addicted to it, but they really are, bro.
Niggas are.
They just don't want to admit it.
AF Crusader says, makes no sense why these idiots are in here defending a substance abuse when you are all pushing a real ass narrative that elevates men.
Work out, dress well, read, educate yourself, stay sober, build your empire, control your lust, and be a fucking man.
Yeah, bro.
Drugs are for losers.
Alcohol and drugs are for losers.
If you guys don't like that, go watch some other loser ass YouTuber niggas that are going to sit there and tell you, let's gamble and do drugs and drink.
And that's fucking degeneracy.
Johnny 311 Duck, my bad brother, no worries.
The man says, I never smoked weed.
I always thought it was for retarded people with no motivation.
Weed makes you less productive.
Only people that are successful that made it had the privilege to smoke weed.
But even then, nobody should be putting that bullshit in their body because it's counterproductive to the grind and becoming the best virtual self.
Absolutely, my friend.
Guys, and gardening weeds, just take nutrients from other more useful plants.
Yeah, do nothing beneficial.
Weed is the same.
You shouldn't smoke if you're not making seven figures passively at least.
Yeah, man.
Yeah.
And it's always the idiots that sit there that like are already successful that want to sit there and say, oh, I smoke weed every day.
Shut up, nigga.
Nick is correct, but weed-inducing psychosis.
One of my best friend lost his mind in 2021, 2022.
He thought he was telepathic.
He said he told me things and I knew them because he was telepathic.
He was also telepathic with music rappers.
Funny was scared to see him that way.
Nick is correct about weed-inducing a psychosis.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm sure, bro.
So my grandma watched the old cowboy shows on cable, just saw ASPCA type advertisement asking for people to donate money to struggling Jews.
Of course.
Was Tucker being a contrarian to safe face or was he actually nagging and sermoning Nick with the Bible?
I don't know.
Oh, slash Groiper, zero cool dude.
Appreciate you guys.
Shadow Lynx says, your role in awakening the masses are priceless.
Thank you.
Guys says, I don't think it's black fatigue.
I think, okay, we got that one from before.
Um, Lavelle says, I never smoke.
Uh, we need a poll who actually watches YouTube.
I think even the regular OSS wouldn't mind if we never used YouTube.
They make the show suck saying dumb shit and trolling because you have to point them out.
The clip uh team can put clips of each show on JTube.
Damn, you guys really don't want me to be on YouTube no more.
Well, yeah, we do got a lot of retards in YouTube chat.
You guys got to remember, bro.
A lot of these niggas in the YouTube chat are normies.
You know, I mean, they just watch Mr. Beast and you know, Oblom preaches shit like that.
Like, they're normies, bro.
You know what I mean?
They're normies.
But they're here for obvious reasons because the people they watch can't give them the answers that we give them over here.
He's bigger than ever right now.
It's just undeniable.
Tucker is so good when you have Democrats on, leftists, liberals that he disagreed with.
He would ridicule and refute their ideas, and they stopped coming back because they were so embarrassed.
I'd like to see Tucker do that with them.
Right.
Why isn't he doing that?
The only conclusion, the only reasonable conclusion that you can draw for not challenging Nick in more substantive ways is that he doesn't.
Yo, Seth Dylan is such a bitch.
He also has me blocked because he's a fucking pussy.
Bro is literally the biggest bitch on media.
Oh, and if you're wondering, every single time, every single crime, every single lie.
Every single hour, every single day, every single night.
I know it's hard to believe.
It's gold for it's not one tree.
And it's every branch and leaves.
They're born to deceive us.
Yeah, Seth Dylan is a Jew, chat.
He is a Jew.
Doesn't disagree with him.
He's a Christian Jew.
I want to know why Tucker is trying to mainstream Nick Fuentes.
There's no evidence that Tucker was trying to mainstream Nick Fuentes.
What happened here is Nick Fuentes became main.
Thomas Rushmore says, My dad is a my friend's dad is a millionaire who smokes weed, but his personal life is terrible and he's always paranoid.
Even if you're one of the few who can make money, it'll hurt you in other parts of your life.
Okay.
Dodgers won the World Series LA acting like animals again.
Not surprised.
Los Angeles is probably going to burn down.
Bro, and it's crazy because all these idiots that like, you know, make their life about sports, like, bruh, yo, sports is for losers, guys.
Imagine watching other men pursue and chase their dreams while you sit there like a loser, cheering them niggas on, chasing your dreams while you sit there and continue to exist in a fucking obscurity.
Absolutely nuts.
That's why I stopped watching sports.
I was like, damn, I'm out here watch these niggas chase their dreams while I'm being a fucking loser over here.
Fuck that.
I might as well make myself smarter.
Hollow point says, My name, I noticed that the J chick keeps showing up to your street interviews.
Yeah, she probably does.
She probably does do some bullshit, man.
And them niggas hate me, bro.
They follow me everywhere I go.
They're all from the same stupid temple down the street.
Fashion with the book, with the books.
For all the people, by the way, who are so upset that Candace and Nick Fuentes have become so huge, you have no one but yourself to blame for that.
It's all over the Israel issue, man.
They were against this destruction of Gaza.
Yep.
Yeah, no one to blame but yourself, bitches.
I think you supporting Israel's destruction of Gaza is substantially worse than any of his views.
Benjamin Netanyahu's decision to order powerful strikes on Gaza has again thrown the ceasefire into doubt.
This flare-up may pass, but the underlying issues remain the same.
Anger on one side that Hamas is still at large, anger on the other that Israel can effectively switch the missiles on or off currently with the backing of the United States.
It all feels depressingly familiar.
And the same can be said of the debates currently rolling digital culture.
From the rise of Mandani to the never-ending frenzy over Charlie Kirk's allegiances and the sudden prevalence of Nick Fuentes, there is a very consistent theme.
What joining me to debate all this are two not at all depressingly familiar contributors.
First of all, Dave Smith, the host of Part of the Problem with Dave Smith, and Seth Dylan, CEO of the Babylon B. Welcome to both of you.
Let me start by saying, Dave Smith, there is a lot of misinformation, deliberate disinformation, conspiracy theories, analysis of conspiracy theories flying around cyberspace in all guises.
It's becoming, before we get into the weeds of any of this stuff, it is becoming increasingly difficult for somebody who's not absolutely at top speed in dissecting and disseminating all this to work out what is true and what isn't.
Yeah, I think that that is true, but I also think that it's probably easier than it's been in the past.
And the reason we're in this moment now is partially the technological advances and just the fact that lots of people can have shows and we have social media and they can communicate in that way, but also that the establishment, the corporate media, and the government have been caught lying about every major crisis of the 21st century.
And you just can't, there's only so many you can go through.
And we can all in our minds are rattling them off right now.
If you go to WMDs or you go to, you know, COVID, I mean, my God, they locked the entire country down.
Joe Biden wasn't senile.
And so, you know, the thing that's interesting is that there are actually tons of conspiracy theories that just don't get called that.
What was RussiaGate, Pierce?
Was that not a conspiracy theory?
What was the idea that Iraq, Iran, and North Korea were all involved in 9-11?
The only thing those three countries had in common was that they had absolutely nothing to do with al-Qaeda.
And so, you know, there have been so many conspiracy theories that have been pushed from the top that now I think we are in a place where people just don't believe anything.
And so on all sides, they're more quick to jump onto conspiracies.
But that's the point, isn't it, Seth Dylan, is that people are finding it increasingly hard to know what to believe.
I don't disagree with Dave's assessment that social media in particular and the, and look, people like us who do our own thing now, that you can hold everything to proper account.
You can debate this freely.
You can reveal where corporate and government and media, mainstream media narratives have been clearly demonstrably wrong.
That is all true, but it does feel like, particularly with AI, with deep fakes and all this kind of thing, in sophisticated hands, the ability to completely con people now in a very convincing way is becoming much easier and more dangerous.
Yeah, well, I agree with what both you just said and what Dave said, that, you know, obviously there's been Kaivan sounds like a fucking loser, too.
I've never actually heard him speak on a microphone before like this.
Dude, sounds like a fucking loser.
Conspiracy theories that came true.
There's been things that were conspiracy theories that were presented as truth.
There's a lot of distrust and a lot of distrust is well-founded.
It's rooted in something.
It's rooted in something real.
One of the reasons I've been such a strong proponent of free speech is so that we actually have the freedom to push back.
Bro, you're literally complaining because Nick went on Tucker and you're saying you're a proponent of free speech.
What the fuck are you talking about?
On false narratives, things that we shouldn't believe, things that aren't true, things that aren't well-founded.
We need the freedom to actually hash these things out and have a conversation, have a debate about them.
I think debate is the best way to get to the truth.
Yeah, you don't debate.
You just black niggas because you always get cooked.
I do think, though, Which, you know, this may be a point where me and Dave disagree, maybe not, is that, you know, a lot of people are exploiting the distrust to engage in a sort of kind of radical conspiracism where, you know, it's not really some of the some conspiracies are more reasonable than others.
Some are just attempts to try to find any dots that you can find that might possibly be connected in some way in order to vilify somebody that you don't like and reach some kind of predetermined conclusion.
We're using a reasoning method that's kind of like the inverse of Occam's razor, where instead of like the simplest, most straightforward explanation is probably the best, we're going for, you know, whatever is the most convoluted and hardest to falsify and that casts your enemies in the worst possible light.
That's what we're going with is the truth.
I think that's a very cynical play.
I think it's very dishonest.
And so there is a sense in which the conspiratorial stuff, which has some legitimacy to it in some cases, has been overdone and exploited.
Yeah, I don't disagree with that at all.
You know, a good example, actually, is I had a bit of a falling out with Elon Musk a year or so ago about Alex Jones.
And his initial position about Jones was his deliberate defamation of the Sandy Hook families and the subsequent award of a broad.
That shit was so long ago, man.
These dudes are still have their are still complaining about Sandy Hook, man.
Damn.
Billion dollar.
It's like, bro, he apologized, man.
He made a mistake.
Like, why do people care?
Like, bro, Pierce, you told people to go get the fucking COVID vaccine.
You were fucking, you know, supporting Israel during their genocide.
And then you changed your mind.
Like, bro, people can change their minds and change, man.
What the fuck?
Because, yeah, Pierce Morgan made a big deal about Alex Jones coming back to X. Dollars against him.
That his trampling on the graves of children, as Elon put it himself, disqualified him from having an active account on X because he would just continue to make hundreds of millions of dollars by pouring fuel onto the pain of these families.
And I agreed.
And then he reversed that decision and let Alex Jones come back.
And, you know, whatever people think about free speech, yeah, he apologized, dude.
He apologized.
And the fact that, like, people still are butthurt over this shit is crazy to me.
To me, if you've got a billion-dollar defamation, Dave Smith, against you for doing it the way that he did to those families, where they proved in the court case that he made hundreds of millions of dollars almost every time he went on a tear about this being staged and set up, and they were actors, and no kids got killed, and so on.
You know, I just think there have to be some limits, don't there?
I mean, otherwise, the First Amendment, none of it means anything.
Well, I mean, you know, to your point about Elon Musk, yeah, he definitely said that and then he went back on it, and he never exactly made it clear why he had changed his mind from that.
He also said at one point at the beginning that everybody would be reinstated.
Nobody would be banned from Twitter except for people violating the law.
But yet there still were several people who were banned who weren't let back on or people who were shadow banned.
So there has been a little bit of a convoluted message there.
That being said, there's really no question that the censorship of the previous Twitter regime was much, much worse.
Way worse than this one.
And so on net, I think we've had more protection of free speech.
So I'm not really making it my thing to criticize him for that, but it's a fair enough point.
You know, with the Alex Jones thing, I think he was very wrong for what he did with Sandy Hook.
I think he's acknowledged and apologized for that.
I also do think that waving that settlement around isn't quite as good evidence as you might think, because that was kind of crazy and unprecedented.
And it did certainly seem like the Sandy Hook thing was used to take Alex Jones out.
And what concerned me a lot more than, look, there are wild conspiracy theories.
I more or less agree with Seth there, and I certainly agree with his spirit that debate is the antidote to this.
I mean, this is why I feel an obligation.
You know, I go on a lot of big shows and I say I think it's like this.
It's not like this.
And I feel an obligation that I got to back that up then.
And so I do a lot of debates on all the topics that I talk about.
So I agree with that.
But just talking about the Alex Jones situation, the reason why I don't think he should be kicked off these platforms, or I should say this, I'm much less concerned about a guy spouting conspiracy theories than I am about iTunes, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, all these organizations all colluding together to essentially unperson somebody, which is what they did with Alex Jones.
And I don't buy that it was really over the Sandy Hook thing.
It was years later.
They just kind of used that because it was the best example that would kind of be indefensible to most people, which it is.
But that actually.
Yeah, I mean, the fact that he owes a billion dollars, like, come on, bro.
That's absolutely fucking nuts.
Absolutely fucking nuts.
Doesn't make sense whatsoever.
A billion dollars, man?
And it's like, I think it's like $1.2 billion or some crazy shit like that.
Fucking crazy.
Actually concerns me a lot more.
The idea of like these few companies who essentially control the public square and have been caught being in bed with the federal government that they can decide who has a voice and who doesn't.
I think that is a real threat to a free open society.
Big facts.
Well, the biggest example of that, Seth, was, of course, Donald Trump, who was banned by almost every social media platform.
But most of those platforms continued to allow accounts by the Ayatollah of Iran, Vladimir Putin, President Zhi, and others.
And it was like a preposterous double standard where the leader of the free world was the one who got censored.
Like most of you, I've been through the ringer with health scares affecting loved ones.
I have personal experience with this where, you know, I was I was recently part of one of these conspiracies where I was named as someone involved in a conspiracy, you know, specifically this conspiracy about what happened in the Hamptons with Charlie Kirk and was he blackmailed and was there all this money offered?
And then when the money was turned down, he winds up dead.
My name was brought up over and over and over again as being in the room and being part of those discussions and being involved in blackmailing Charlie Kirk.
And I'm literally receiving death threats as a result of that.
I had somebody who was just arrested recently out in Houston, Texas, who has threatening to kill me because they believe that I played a role in Charlie Kirk's murder.
And so, you know, I have personal experience with defamation and conspiracies targeted at somebody to make them out to be a villain.
But I still don't want to see the people, you know, I still want to see free discourse.
I want people to have the right to be wrong.
In the case of defamation, you know, individuals have recourse where they can file suit if they want to and claim that they were defamed and say, you know, these are false statements.
They were made with malice.
You can make those claims.
I don't think that because someone has done that, you know, that you should take away their right to speak altogether.
I don't think that censorship is the answer.
There is recourse for individuals in those cases.
Well, the thing about Alex Jones to remember and why they made the award as big as it was was he wasn't just making a bit of money by doing what he was doing to those families.
And in relation to your point, Seth, about you receiving death threats, Sandy Hook families still mourning the murder of their kids at school started getting threats, started being abused in the street.
People were turning up at the graveside, urinating on tombstones of their children, right?
It was despicable.
And it was being done quite deliberately, Alex Jones' campaign here, because they showed in court he was literally making hundreds of millions of dollars.
Every time he talked about this on air, they saw the spike of the revenue pouring into him.
So that's why they made the award as big as it was.
And I, you know, to me, it's an interesting thing.
Where is the line about who you platform?
For example, there are the free speech purists who say everyone should be platformed.
Yeah, I think everybody should be platformed.
Put it this way: I've never had Nick Fuentes on.
Tucker Carlson just did a one-on-one with Nick Fuentes.
It's been very controversial.
But I have sat with serial killers and psychopaths.
Yeah, but you won't sit with Nick Fuentes or you are reluctant to give even, even for me, guys, they were nervous about putting me on, you know.
But they'll sit there and talk with like the most deplorable people, like Vlad, for example, DJ Vlad.
Literally sits there and talks with criminals all day, right?
So that's kind of where we are now.
You know what I'm saying?
That's where we are.
So, man, and very dangerous, mass murderers, and so on for crime documentaries.
And people rightly say to me, Well, hang on, you're giving a serial killer a platform.
Why would you not let Nick Fuentes on?
Exactly.
And it's an interesting question.
So, I mean, Dave, for you, what do you make of Tucker Carlson platforming Nick Fuentes?
Should people like Nick Fuentes have free, unfettered platforming across anywhere that people want to have them?
Should there be any limits to people in terms of giving them a platform?
Well, I mean, I think that's a decision for anybody to make of who they want to talk to.
I mean, I believe in freedom of association.
You know, by the way, if you look at the numbers, I'm not so sure it wasn't Nick Fuentes platforming Tucker.
And I mean, this with like, I love Tucker.
He's a good friend of mine.
But look, the fact, the one that makes it particularly ridiculous with this Nick Fuentes thing, and I agree with you too, by the way.
You know, I've talked to all types of people.
I've had conversations with communists on my show and socialists.
And weirdly, like, that never seems to be an issue, which is, which is very strange in a way.
All right, guys, we're going to switch over to party.
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You guys already know OSS has everything.
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That's where I stream on Saturdays.
You guys should be taking parties because because of party, you guys are getting a Saturday stream.
So I don't want to hear no fucking bitching from y'all niggas.
If it wasn't for party, I wouldn't be streaming on a Saturday.
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If you guys are watching on X, YouTube, or Kick, come on over, drop the link in there.
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