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Feb. 26, 2025 - MyronGainesX
02:03:46
Enrique Tarrio, Pat Stedman, And Ethan EXPOSE J6 LIES!
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I know we got a lot of international people, but this is the United States of America.
So I want to see a bunch of American flags in the chat and stand for the national anthem, and then we're gonna get into the broadcast.
Go ahead, Bills.
Please welcome from Metallica, James Heckfield.
Thank you.
Welcome to the stream, guys.
Welcome to the stream.
The United States of America, the best country in the world.
And I'm joined with three Patriots, guys.
Welcome to the show.
I'm happy to have you guys on.
Thank you for having me.
There was no other way that I could have done that intro without with you guys here in the house.
But for those that are unaware, can you guys please introduce yourselves?
We can start with Pat.
Yeah, my name is Pat Steadman.
Um I'm a dating relationship coach for men and uh political prisoner.
Spent a year at Fort Dix, New Jersey.
My name's Enrique Itario.
I am the president of the local chapter here in Miami of the Proud Boys, and I was sentenced to 22 years and just about a month and change ago, I was pardoned by the President Trump.
Uh my name's Ethan Ordeen.
Uh I used to be the president of Seattle chapter, Proud Boys, and I switched over and moved over here and uh Vice City.
Uh we just we just did that.
Yeah.
Um I was sent to 18 years in federal prison.
I spent four years in federal prison.
I was released.
Uh not with a pardon but uh a commutation.
We'll get into that.
That's some fun stuff.
So and then Gary, you were there that day as well.
Yeah, I was there.
Um I'll never forget that day.
I was at Trump's last speech in uh 2021 when he was president.
And uh I saw a whole bunch of people, you know, going down to the Capitol, and uh I was like when the hell have we ever seen a revolution start with flags?
And I just backed off.
Fair enough.
Um, so I guess we could kind of go through that day, because I uh you know, there's been so many different stories and you know, narratives when it comes to January 6th and what happened.
Um, you know, obviously I look at you guys as political prisoners, you know, when Trump came into office on January 20th, and one of the first things he did was pardon 1,500 guys.
Um, you know, that that's obviously very powerful, and it goes to show that um, you know, there was some problematic situations with the justice system uh when it came to your guys' political persecution.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, to say the least.
Yeah.
Um, you know, luckily we got Cash Patel in as uh director of the FBI and Dan Bongino is his number two guys, so hopefully they clean house and get rid of some of these dickheads that um use the what um the justice system as weaponization them up.
Okay, we can use dickheaded now.
Yeah, you know the weaponization of the Department of Justice was absolutely obvious, man, and everybody knows it.
So um, I don't know who wants to go first so they could kind of take us through their experience because all you guys were at different po different places on that day.
I mean, you weren't even there.
We should talk about that.
You wouldn't.
I don't want to start off because you're like, oh, well, tell me what happened there that day.
I'm like, well, I can't tell you.
I'll I'll go first, yeah.
So I I had a show after the it started off around COVID, but after the election theft, it really started to kick off on Twitter using Periscope at that time called COVID Cabal.
So I had a bunch of guys who were watching the show.
They came down to DC to meet me there.
We were there at 5 a.m.
We got in to see Trump's speech, got in at the very very beginning of that.
Basically, all the way in the front where the VIP stuff was, watched the speech.
It was super delayed, which was kind of weird unto itself.
I mean, we were there, we were waiting out there for the speech, like well over an hour and a half beyond when we was supposed to be.
But at any rate, speech ends, everyone's going down to the Capitol.
Trump said, go down to the Capitol peacefully, patriotically protest, right?
I'm heading down there.
We find out on the way down there that basically Pence isn't gonna be um sending the votes back to the states.
So everyone's a little bit pissed off.
I'm getting to the Capitol, and I see people running from the Capitol screaming, and I can see smoke in the distance, and I'm asking these people what's going on.
They said the police started attacking us out of nowhere.
And I'm already in a pissed-off state.
You know, I've already been kind of in like this like revolutionary agitating mode on my show.
So I ran towards the Capitol, I saw that there was a crowd of people going in, flags, as Gary was saying, just flags as far as the eye can see.
Gary probably picked up the right message from it, but I was really caught up in that that fervor.
And so I went in.
Um I found out later on I was actually very close to the I was in the group that Ashley Babbitt was in.
Yeah.
I I didn't know who she was, and I didn't see her, but I ended up going upstairs when we got to the basically the the doors of the uh the congressional chambers.
I went upstairs, she kept going forward, and as I come back downstairs on the other side, I have these plainclothes police officers with guns pointed at me.
They're like secret service looking people.
I have no idea what's going on because when I was in the Capitol, like the cops were really chill.
So they let you guys in, didn't they?
Well, they did, and and this is the thing that's really confusing.
I think I think you know, as we hear the other stories, you know, it's Ethan's story and everything about how it was really different at different points.
Like, I heard that the police attack people, and I saw footage later on that they did, but then there was like a big stand down, I guess, because when I came into the Capitol, I thought that the police were actually with us.
And this was in documented evidence in my trial.
I had like text messages to people because they were like waving us through.
They were just chilling.
And then all of a sudden it was like was this Capitol Police waving you guys through, right?
Capitol Police, yeah.
And then all of a sudden it was like we just shot one of you.
Like it was it was totally it was really hard to understand, and and our emotions were getting thrown back and forth.
So soon after that, I was out of the Capitol.
Yeah.
So after she got shot.
Yeah, I went and and talked to a regular police officer afterwards.
I said, you know, what the fuck is going on here?
Why is this guy pointing a gun at me?
And he said, A protester's been shot, you should head for the exit.
And so I did.
I sat in the rotunda for a bit.
Did you even hear the gunshot?
No, I didn't hear the gunshot, but I when I came back around the corner, I could see that there was like tear gas all throughout the hallways.
Oh shit.
Do you remember seeing Ashley Babbitt at all personally, or did you just realize this after when you viewed discovery or something?
It was just it was just at the trial during discovery because I could see that I I was in the same group as her.
Um, and even footage that they used that they got from her, her situation was used in my trial.
I think there's a lot of situations like that where it's kind of like a godsend.
A lot of us didn't see it because just with the energy, a lot of us saw like grandmas and mothers we that were getting attacked by these police officers.
We were not protect uh practicing de-escalation tactics, rather escalation tactics.
And so I mean, in the heat of the moment, especially if you if you had a group of just men like all of us in one place and you'd seen an individual use lethal forces as his first re response.
I think there would have been a very different reaction.
And I think I mean um it's horrible that what happened to Ashabeba happened, of course.
Um, but I'm glad that we weren't there because it would have it would have been I think it would have escalated.
It would have been very bad.
Yeah, if if we if I think if Ethan or myself would have been there, it would have escalated.
It would have been very bad.
It was a bad shoot.
I saw it.
Uh you know, I I saw the clip a bunch of times.
We had uh Ivan Raiklan here, constitutional lawyer, you know, I was just on the phone with Ivan.
We were just on the phone.
I have a shelter.
Ivan, good guy.
Um, I saw him at Mar-a-Lago as well.
But um we went over this in like detail when it came to you know what went down that day, the shooting.
We watched it on video, which if by the way, if you guys are interested, go watch that episode if you guys want to see the legality of you know how these guys were politically persecuted, it was bullshit.
But the long story short is when we looked at that shooting, it was like there was no justification for it.
Like the officer's life wasn't in danger.
Um, she was behind the door, like I don't know what was going on.
So she weighed about like 110 pounds wet.
Yeah, she had no weapons, yeah, right.
And this guy, no warning.
Did he get prosecuted the the the pardon?
Of course not, he got pardoned.
Biden pardoned actually protected him too.
Yeah, he's been in the protection.
It's it's like he got arrested, but then Biden apart him on his own.
He never got arrested, but they just pardoned him preemptively.
So he got indicted.
Oh, preemptively preemptively.
Biden's last day they pardoned him.
Is that even illegal?
A preemptive pardon, is that even legal?
Because I I've never even heard of anything like this before Joe Biden started doing that.
So I looked into it, yeah.
It is legal, but they they purposely it's very vague in in the constitution.
It's it's written in a very vague manner.
So it's about interpretation.
Yeah.
So we don't know.
That whole section of the it's very vague.
So in that case, the Supreme Court has to see if that's actually legal to do.
They have to interpret it.
That's the way this government works.
Supreme Court has to decide if they can preemptive pardon, and if they can't, uh we we tell him's coming for you.
I I think that there's gonna have to be some investigation of that or like litigation of that because prior to this, prior to Biden's last minute pardons, the only time you've ever seen a preemptive pardon was or or rather a a blanket pardon, not even a preemptive part pardon, was with Nixon in Watergate.
And it was even that was very specifically oriented, said, okay, anything in these years related to Watergate, but Biden pardoned people like blanket pardon for things that they didn't even there wasn't ever so it's anything.
Anything you did for 10 years, yeah, it's completely son, especially.
I don't know if that's constitutional for me.
Yeah, and his son wasn't just like a basic pardon, like, hey, I'm just gonna pardon you for for for these offenses.
He gave him a blanket pardon for yeah, and I think it was like 10 years.
It's all the whole time in Brisbane.
Oh, yeah.
Not only his whole time in Barisma, but we also saw like other Biden members get pardoned also, ones that we didn't even know existed.
So there was something there there.
Yeah.
Um just the amount of times his genitalia was mentioned in the trial is hilarious.
Yeah, I mean, it's a dumpster fire of a situation, and just like, yeah, don't worry about nothing to see here.
I can blame Biden for a lot of things.
I'm not gonna blame him for partying in his son.
Yeah, I know I agree with that.
You know what?
You would have made a great crowd voice.
We know it's as a father, like as a father, that is your main goal in life is to make sure that your kid is good.
There you go.
So that's gonna join the Proud Boys, I think, from what I understand.
Hunter.
Yeah.
I mean, he might be pretty good to party with.
I don't know about the pedophilia, but he might be really good to party with.
What was it that he said?
Didn't he say he's like the the person the the person that has smoked the most parmesan cheese in history?
I don't know.
Because he thought he like dropped it on the rug and he thought it was the Parmesan cheese was cracked.
Wow.
It's in his book.
The Biden family, man.
It's in a few.
Criminal and degenerate in the same family.
So Pat, take me through.
So you walk so after she got shot, you left.
So how much time did you think you spent in the Capitol altogether?
I think it was like 44 minutes.
44 minutes?
Yeah.
Okay.
I sat down in the in the rotunda for like uh like probably about eight minutes, and then I listened to his speech, and then they tried to clear everybody out.
You said when the when the police officer told you, you know, hey, get out of this area.
Did you you followed that order?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I mean, you know, the prosecution tried to make it seem like I didn't, because even though I went to the exit, I sat down on a bench right outside the exit and and just chilled for a little bit because I was tired.
I'd been standing since like 5 a.m.
I had a bunch of all general in Rush.
But I mean, when they started to clear out the area, like I just walked out with everybody else.
Like there was no, you know the whole thing was a clown show.
It's crazy because so you were in there, you said 44 minutes.
I was in there for 27, didn't go past the rotunda.
And I only went in there because my phones were dead, everything.
I had no communicative communication.
But you touch a fucking fence, you terrorists.
Yeah, I touched a fence, and that's a whole nother we did a live stream when we were in DC, and I kind of I kind of showed people literally just touching a fence was enough force to to give us terrorism hands.
Just to tell you like my my story on where I was on January 6th, I got arrested on January 4th for burning a Black Lives Matter banner.
Right.
Um and I knew I was gonna get arrested going into DC.
So two days prior.
Two days prior.
Two days prior to the city.
But I knew I was gonna get arrested.
I went into DC knowing full well that I was gonna get arrested.
So what I planned is that's why I bought my flight on January 4th.
I'm like, okay, whatever.
I get arrested on January 4th.
Fuck that.
I go to I go to in front of the judge on January 5th.
She bonds me out because DC's a um uh no cash bail state, right?
So I'm like, and then I'll go see the president speak on January 6th, which was our plan.
Yeah, right.
And um, you know, the the the judge threw a cog, uh a wrench in my cog and is like, well, on top of bonding out, I am gonna order you to get out of the district, which again bothered me a little bit, right?
But I I didn't care.
I'm like, you know what?
It doesn't matter.
I was just gonna go see the president speak.
It's cold as fuck.
You know, I'll just spend the day in the hotel, and when these guys are done watching the president speak, like I'll just go meet them or they'll come meet me because I can't be in the district, but they were in Virginia.
That was my plan.
So, but that wasn't what the prosecutor, the prosecutor and the DOJ alleged.
Yeah, you're saying they alleged that I was the mastermind.
And I was responsible and we were responsible for every single person that walked into that building, every single person that put their hands on a police officer.
Uh those uh we were responsible for everything that happened that day.
They called us the ultimate leaders of what happened that day on January 6th.
I think it's sound pretty cool.
I actually find that I I do find that very flattering.
Yeah, so we really are.
And it sounds like we're like some fucking bond villains or some shit like that.
Yeah.
But the thing is, I I I I can't even say that because it's not true.
That's not what we planned.
What we planned is to go see the president speak.
I had to go speak on two stages after the president spoke, and then we had in his in his uh Airbnb, we had the lead singer of the misfits, Michael Graves.
Okay.
He was gonna do like a little unplug session for us.
So, like what what what did this jury think that we were gonna overthrow the US government at one o'clock and then go an hour and a half later across into Virginia and like listen to a concert?
Like it sounds it sounds clean.
They make it sound so cool, dude.
Yeah.
So real quick, just going back to you with the with the Pence thing.
Like, um, so would you say like everything started getting crazy once it was confirmed that Pence wasn't gonna send the uh votes back to the states?
Well, I saw it gonna confirm the election results.
I started to see some tension in the crowd even before we got to the Capitol, just because you know, I I think all of us knowing that the 2020 election was stolen, this really seemed like the last opportunity without Trump declaring the insurrection act, it was the last opportunity for us to basically deal with the 2020 election fraud.
And so as it started to seem more and more like they're they're just gonna try to push this through, they don't give a shit that there's too many million people here.
I think people were starting to get a little bit angry, like and you know, agitated.
Like there's a lot of love there too, don't get me wrong.
Like a lot of patriotism, a lot of prayers, like people were were united.
But I think when you when you had those people with those emotions, and you had the police then start attacking, and it was like a powder keg.
Yeah, automatically.
Yeah, they were kicking the pit bulls cage.
Yeah, 100%.
You know, and the and the and the and the door was loose.
Yeah, they knew exactly what they were doing.
They need to do that.
I don't think enough attention gets put onto Mike Pence for basically betraying the Donald Trump and the GOP in general for confirming that because you know, Democrats and liberals always say, Oh, oh, the conservatives are are conspiracy theorists with the election, but there's a quite a bit of evidence that shows that at least it warrants an investigation.
Right.
With you know, the uh the election fraud that was.
He just signed on it.
He's a he's a fucking coward, is what he is.
He's a fucking coward.
He represents a bigger, a bigger problem with all these rhinos, you know.
You saw him getting those pieces of silver afterwards too.
Just like what?
Yeah.
Tell us about that.
Yeah, well, I mean, there's a video of this right after he said that there he pushed through the certification.
Yeah.
Uh I think it was uh I don't remember which democratic politician, but it was one of the high-ranking democratic Politicians gave him like two coins.
Like it was like it was like some sort of like symbolic gesture.
It was really weird.
Yeah.
It was really weird.
But but you know, the thing, Myron, about what Mike Pence did that's so aggravating.
Can you explain it to the audience too because like a lot of people here might not be familiar with like politics and how our civic government works when it comes to certifying the election stuff, why this is such a betrayal?
Because I really want people to understand how much of a piece of shit Mike Pence really is.
Right.
But please.
Yeah, so you have the election, that's when the people vote.
And then a month later, you have the electoral college is basically supposed to vote based on what you know, like the people did.
Technically they can do what they want, but that's you know typically how it goes.
Then you have the final step before the actual inauguration, which is a certification of the electoral vote.
Basically, Congress has all the electoral votes, and then they decide, okay, yep, the election's legitimate.
We certify this, and now the different people can move forward to the presidency.
Now, the issue with this whole thing was that you had five different states that were that the legislatures had sent separate slates of electors.
We need to have this investigated.
Nobody was really asking Mike Pence to overturn the election.
They were asking him to pause the certification and investigate the fraud in the swing states like the state legislatures of those swing states wanted.
That's why we were so pissed off.
It like it wasn't like, oh, Mike Pence, you have the ability to overturn the election.
It was like, no, man, just like slow things down a little bit so that we can all come together as a nation and find out what really happened.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
That I mean, that was really it, and everybody makes Trump out to seem like he was this dictator trying to steal the election, but really it was just a matter of let's bring some transparency to the table because that's what we deserve.
Obviously, there's enough Americans which hasn't been properly represented by the mainstream media that showed up.
And when when you see an event like this, especially a national event like this, when you see over a million people, that reflects a greater portion of the country because a lot of people don't show up for these things, but those people represent the the ideals that a lot of other Americans r uh want to portray.
And so it's it's it was I think a poll was taken over a 80 million people believed that the election was stolen.
That's a huge number.
That's not a small, you know, crazy extreme number of people that you know wanted to overthrow the election.
This is this is a genuine large, you know, portion of the population of America that believed genuinely that the election was stolen.
And and this individual, Mike Pence, had was in a position to just bring some transparency to the table and couldn't do that.
Yeah, you know, it wasn't about it wasn't about forcing anything, it was just hey, let's take a moment and see what happened.
Let's look at the numbers.
And I'm actually gonna pull up a lot of the reasons why people feel that it was uh fraud because I wrote a whole thread on this, and we like investigated, and I mean, at the bare minimum, it it warranted a thorough investigation, which they never did by the way, which is ridiculous.
Like, um, you know, people think that people were just riding in the at the Capitol for no reason and they're going crazy.
And it's like, dude, if you actually like look at all the facts and circumstances that led to the 2020 election, which was unprecedented times.
People were locked up in their homes, we weren't able to really calculate who really showed up to vote or whatever.
Was there I I you know ID registration, no, there was a bunch of problems with it.
Um uh on that day, what about you?
Can you take us through what went down on that day from your perspective?
Yeah, so I had gotten there a couple days early, obviously, and Ricky had already explained what happened to him, and so I was given what the government calls war powers over the Proud Boys, the undisputed leader on the ground for the Proud Boys.
Yeah.
Uh fucking sounds a lot crazier than it really is.
Uh my prerogative, like my main you know, objective was really to keep guys on the move move and away from big crowds.
Because when I came to DC, it just you could feel the aura.
It was weird.
It was off.
And I'd been I've been on the way, I you know, I'm I grew up with the West Coast, and most of my Proud Boy career is on the West Coast, so I'm used to violence, I'm used to Antifa and crazy stuff getting wild.
It wasn't that.
It was like it was like they wanted us to be there.
You know what I mean?
And so there's a different creepy feeling when you have that.
And so I said, okay, instead of having just a point A rally point where we don't move and people gather to us, I wanted to stay on the move to have a point A point B back to point A march away from the from the main crowds.
So that would we started out the Washington Monument.
We gathered there at 10 a.m.
We started the march down to the Capitol simply to do hearts and minds, you know, kiss babies and give hugs and recruit, you know.
Shake hands and kiss babies.
Let's clear that up.
Yes, yeah, shake hands and kiss babies.
You know, to all you weirdos out there, stop.
Uh but you know, just just hearts and minds, you know, to give people an understanding of who we really are, because obviously there's a lot of bullshit out there about who we are.
And uh we're really just a bunch of good, you know, we're a little rugged around the edges, but we're good hearted dudes.
Uh we want to show up and honestly for both sides, really like, you know, if if you if you're out there and you you need some help and you're just trying to exercise your first amendment, right?
Like we got you.
You know what I mean?
What if the project anybody fucking touches you?
I mean, I guess that's where we get our rep from, right?
So we've always been of the mind like we don't care if people scream at us or use a bullhorn or use a whistle.
It doesn't matter.
We consider that free speech.
But when you put your hands on us or other Trump supporters, we're it's over with, dude.
It's over with.
You know, we we're not gonna take it.
Um and it's not because we're we're big and we're bad or anything like that.
It's just like it's a natural masculine instinct.
Well, you guys were like sheep being met.
You guys were like sheep talks for the so that's why the media takes advantage of the Proud Boys, the mainstream media takes advantage of the Proud Boys and they they do this they do this thing where they call us all sorts of names like white supremacists.
Well here's the thing, you're the leader.
I don't you're not even white.
How are they calling you a white supremacist?
I don't get this stuff.
It's like that Zimmerman guy who was a a white Mexican or something like that.
Why do they always do this?
Nazi white supremacists, they go they go through the whole array of things.
And you know what?
I thank them for it.
Because when people see, right, this is this podcast obviously has a video.
Obviously, I'm not white.
Um I s I speak better Spanish than I do English.
Right there.
Look, I'm you're Dominican, right?
It really isn't the first time.
Uh but you're paler than I am.
Yeah, I'm not sure.
But that's real white rat.
There you go.
You're fucking transparent, dude.
That's the Scott's Iron.
Is that racist to say that?
No.
All right.
So in a democratic state.
Yeah.
Uh but I thank them.
I actually thank them for doing that because what they I lean into it, right? 'Cause they're like, oh your white supremacists.
I let it roll.
I don't I don't answer.
I let it roll and I let people actually make up their own minds about us.
Right? 'Cause we're we're not any of that.
We're regular dudes.
We're carpenters, plumbers, business owners.
We're big on like business owners and small um opening small businesses and stuff like that.
We're lawyers, we're uh ex police officers, veterans, we're everything.
We're everywhere.
You ever seen Fight Club?
Yeah, of course.
Yeah.
You know, we're everywhere.
We're everywhere.
And here's the thing like the reason why we became so big, the reason why we ended up getting an you know mentioned uh on the debate stage from Trump himself, uh, is because we were the only ones showing up when there was a problem.
And everybody would sit on mainstream media and everybody like, well, how dare these people?
Somebody's gotta do something.
You know, and everybody would just sit there and stare at each other and point at the problem while Americans were getting beat in the streets.
I don't know if you guys remember the 2016-17 era of Portland and Berkeley and all that crap and grandma's getting drugged through the streets, just holding on to their American flags.
We showed up and we beat the brakes off these people.
We make self-defense look like assault.
Yeah.
I think we must I like that.
I mean, put that on the shirt, bro, start selling it.
You know, it and uh you know, I've always found it funny that these leftist organizations like Antifa, etc., they can practice ridiculous levels of violence, right?
And they're still reluctant to call them domestic terrorists, they're burning BLM, they're burning cities down, they destroyed Minneapolis with the George Floyd protests.
And you know you guys like they went after you guys aggressively.
I mean, we were talking about this before.
What forty-three percent uh of the FBI workforce?
40% of the FBI workforce was dedicated entirely to January 6 investigations.
That's great.
All the air and all the air marshals were.
Yeah, human trafficking uh uh details that were focused on saving children from being trafficked were were redesignated to focus on January 6th.
Just think about that first.
Maybe that was part of the plan in the first place.
It is part of the plan.
Think about that.
Yeah.
So they won't arrest us at all.
That's what your government's focused on right now.
Yeah.
But also, you know, another thing is like we focus like on like local stuff.
You know what I'm saying?
When was the Proud Boys established?
We we were established in 2016 in May of 2016.
Okay, it's right.
As a joke.
Right for the try for the Trump stuff, right?
Right before Trump.
Yeah, right before Trump got elected.
We it was actually a joke on Gavin McGuinness's podcast, and the joke kind of s had this snowball effect.
You know, we went from when I joined we there was like a hundred fifty Proud Boys in existence.
You know, I joined very, very early.
You know, now we have tens of thousands of Proud Boys.
It's an international organization.
We have um we have chapters everywhere.
South Korea, Australia, uh Canada, Mexico, Argentina, Poland, Ukraine, Russia, which is crazy.
And they get along.
Interesting.
Um you know, and we have uh it's a it's a pretty big organization.
Yeah.
You know, that was trying to as a job.
Just you guys know I'm gonna go because I'm look I was looking for the tweet but I can't find it right now, but I'll go ahead and put a tweet for you guys below where like we outline everything that um shows that the 2020 election is questionable at bare minimum.
Yeah.
Like literally like so like I think there's like 20 examples of potential election fraud um there.
And I'll put that link for you guys because I've talked about this ad nauseum it's not like people were the Capitol for no reason.
Like it was bullshit man.
And Mike Pence had the chance to do something and he didn't do it.
He's a patr he's a literally a traitor.
And I don't even know where he's at now but I think that's the whole point absolutely no that's it he's in hiding he's the definition of a Rhino he rebuilt Biden's basement and he's just sitting there is it safe to say that Pence was Trump's biggest mistake.
I think so yeah I well you know I mean he he would he was clearly a mistake I think that the big question is did did the Republican Party force him to take Pence in the beginning because at the beginning I think I think he had no choice at that and I actually talked about this I I said a big reason why like why he ended up with like idiots like John Bolton and and guys like uh Mike Pence on his thing is because he didn't Trump actually if you look at him like he wasn't he didn't think he was gonna win like he was actually when he won.
Yeah so when he won this is a businessman out of New York City he doesn't know anyone in DC.
So what ended up happening is when you come in as a president you need got like four thousand jobs that need to be filled so all these old GOP establishment guys just filled the void and this is why Trump couldn't get anything done the first two years that he was in.
And then that's why Project 2025 became a thing was because they needed to bring in Trump loyalist guys that can actually get stuff done.
Now look at how fast he's moving with getting things done with executive orders putting people in position because he's already been through the rigmo role in DC so now he knows who to trust and who not to but his first uh term he literally just had to put establishment GOP shows and kind of rely on them and he couldn't get shit done and that's what well the 2020 election was in many ways like a a total blessing for all of us.
I mean not maybe not to us personally but for the country it certainly was we needed it.
We needed it we needed it and you know at the time on January 6th and even up to the inauguration I was like how is he just gonna let him take it you know how is he just gonna let him steal the country and then a few months later I'm like no he made the right decision because we probably would have gone the civil war if he had really fought against it.
And now what happened is he gave him four years to be completely masked off the most corrupt fucking incompetent people in the planet running the United States run it into the ground.
And because of that the public woke up public's come together.
Now we have a mandate for lasting change we're gonna wipe the communism off the face of this country.
Now from what I understand someone's telling me does Nancy Pelosi pretty much controls the Capitol Police right she's the main she's like the main person.
Did she not um did she tell them to pull back when Trump tried to send other reinforcements there.
Yes oh can you kind of go through it because I want to get it from people that were actually on the ground versus Yeah well Trump offered to send the National Guard in and they made numerous offers to send National Guard and she turned it down every time.
She because she thought the Capitol police could handle it.
Well that's what she said.
But I think it's pretty circumstance the evidence is pretty clear I think circumstantially that the whole thing was a setup.
Yeah.
You know Byrd was connected to her directly Bird was one of like he wasn't just a the I'm sorry and and Capitolice officer Bird is the one who killed Ashley Babbitt.
Yeah so there's some indications that he may have gotten the order directly from like it came directly from Pelosi maybe not Pelosi exactly on the on the comms with him.
But but her chief of staff like that was they want they wanted an example made.
And a lot of people don't know this the speaker of the house is the third most powerful person in the United States after the vice president that's it that's the next line of secession a lot of people don't know that.
I'd actually I would say the secret house is more more powerful more powerful because he actually does more stuff every day.
Yeah it has the purse strings yeah 100% if if that speaker is able to whip you know up these votes and get people on the same page it it's a lot more powerful than the president of the United States.
Because people some people forget it's Article one of the Constitution is actually the first thing that they thought of with the House of Representatives and the Senate right so um it's although it's an equal branch it is the most powerful branch because it is the people's house.
Yep.
Right there's supposed to be like the actual representatives of the people And the executive you know it's in the word.
Their job is to execute legislation.
The will of the people.
He executes the will of the people.
Who is the uh chief of police, I forget his name.
I got a chance to talk to him.
No son or something like that.
We talked to him Sun or sooner or I got the chance to talk to him in DC and he was telling me about how it took over two hours to get a response for the National Guard, right?
And I was kind of just comparing like, okay, what what other event would this have been normal or if any he said none.
So in the city of police for Metro PD, Washington DC Capitol Police.
Okay.
Right.
So so he got fired.
So there's multiple police departments like you know in DC especially got Metro in DC.
Capital P Dresd by the FBI, Metropolitan PD, Secret Service is there, US party police, everyone is there.
So I asked him no no I asked him uh how normal is it to to get that kind of response.
He's like absolutely it's it's it's out of out of bounds.
Like if I asked for National Guard, they have a they have a response team ready to go within probably five to ten minutes of being there.
They're ready to go.
So for the the fact that he had to wait two hours and basically at the end of it get a no he's like it it it was something that I've never seen before and it's kind of speaks to the whole situation so that people can understand this wasn't a matter of like things just got chaotic and out of control and there's so many people that overwhelmed the police and the people were just doing the best job.
No.
They spent two hours trying to do some one specific thing to get National Guard in there.
And you know people have a conflicting feeling well you know well they needed National Guard well how are you guys the good guys and and it's just kind of like your side and our side kind of an argument.
But really the biggest thing that was lacking there was communication.
There was no cops on bull horns or loud speakers telling us what they were going to do.
Hey this is a riot now we're gonna start firing less l uh uh non-lethals into the crowd if you guys don't they just started shooting people you know and so there's no escalation they didn't tell like I say hey get off the premises they let you guys in and then all of a sudden then they say hey we're then they start shooting and there was a brief time of escalation right where inside of the crowd people stormed the Capitol and then it chilled the hell out.
It was chill as you know as all could be and people were walking around I walked into a door like I I got up to the cat uh where the cop next to that door I I saw an entrance where everybody's going through a window and I'm like I'm too well known not a good idea.
So I see this other entrance with like 10 cops outside and they're holding up a door I'm like I'm going over there and that's exactly what I did.
It's on video and everything and you know it it's like in that moment as a civilian I can you know how are you supposed to know that that's not okay.
Yeah there's no I mean there it's their job to to tell you if it's not okay or not.
It's a public building so if it's if it's restricted it is their job to let me know that there's no signs that say this is a restricted area and so you know now we know I didn't realize that that much of the FBI workforce which by the way just so you guys know about what 3500 employees at the FBI 4000 something like that.
The biggest federal law enforcement agency in in in the country 3500 too much something like that.
So and you know so take me through did they actually um arrest you or did you turn yourself in no they arrested me my arrest yeah yeah so I was my arrest warrant was signed three hours in the Biden's presidency.
What?
Yeah so he's a big name that's why they went off my my show was doing really January 20th you're an arrest warrant is he swears in and you're already three hours later arrest warrant signed the next morning the the FBI comes to my house picks me up.
Wow so I was I was under persecution every single every single day of that administration.
Okay.
Did they give you bail?
In the beginning because they didn't have the strategy I think put together yet I just got initially two petty misdemeanors.
I know I I didn't have even have any firearms like they had no rationale to be able to do it.
It was a local judge so I kind of like slipped through the cracks a bit and then June came around and I got superseded with the class A misdemeanors and the 1512 obstruction of an official proceeding felony which about 350 other J6ers also got that felony was absolutely crazy.
So just so I have the timeline right so because this is another thing too that I had a problem with the FBI with right is a guy that used to do these investigations the federal government 1811 special agents, should not be wasting time on fucking misdemeanors.
Yeah.
So like the fact that they even put this much resources, misdemeanors is like unparalleled.
I've I've never seen the only FBI who do something so stupid.
So January 20th, they FBI shows up at your house for misdemeanors.
Twenty first, yeah, or more than the twenty first.
The twenty-first, they show up at your house, six o'clock in the morning.
Where were you at at the time?
Like what state?
South Jersey.
South Jersey.
So they show up right w did they even did they knock your door down or did they?
Well, so I actually gave him misdemeanor warrants.
So it's like I I gave him the spook because I'd actually gone for a walk.
I don't know if I had a premonition or something that night, but I was just like, I gotta like something's not right.
I went, I went like early in the morning, went out for a walk.
Yeah, and my wife calls me crying at like seven a.m.
She's like, the FBI's here, and the FBI agent goes on the phone, he's like, Where the fuck are you?
I'm like, I'm just I'm just in town, like I'm over here, like stay where you are, we're gonna come to get you right now.
There were cop cars all over the small town.
Wow.
They they called the the police departments from like the five neighboring towns.
Yeah, it was like a manhunt situation to try to get me.
Wow.
Absolutely insane.
And for a misdemeanor, because I don't think they could kick your door in for a misdemeanor warrant.
Like I don't think they can.
And unfortunately they didn't kick the door in.
I know that they did that to a lot of J Sixers.
They didn't want to be a good one.
Did you have any prior criminal record or anything?
Zero.
See this one I'm talking about.
Yeah, it's crazy.
This is what I'm talking about.
A guy who has no record whatsoever, and they go after him like this.
So okay, so you get arrested, they bring you in probably that morning for initial appearance.
Yeah.
And then you get a bond, right?
Uh yeah, I have arraignment and I get a bond.
Okay.
And then uh, and then you said they did a superseding indictment, and that's when they finally hit you a felony charges.
And you said this was six months later?
About about yeah, five, six months later.
It was mid June, I got hit with that.
And the fifth- then did they come into your house again and and like hit the door in this time or no, no.
Everything because I was already on bond, it was just a superseding indictment, basically.
And they told your lawyer, I'm assuming, and they said, Hey, you got to turn yourself in.
No, I didn't get put in prison then.
I I I f I was in pretrial um release all the way.
But like when they did a superseding indictment, they had to bring you in front of a judge again.
It was a Zoom meeting, I think that's why I'm okay.
Okay, and this is 2021, so this makes sense.
Lockdowns are still going on, etc.
So they said, Hey, you've been indicted, you brought your lawyer probably called you and then you went to okay.
Correct.
Yeah, yeah.
Right.
So then what happened from there?
So like you you took it to trial, right?
I did take it to trial, yeah.
Okay, can you take us through that?
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Um so that was in June 2023, and that was a crazy experience.
I mean two years later, roughly.
Yeah, I I we kept trying to delay.
So this is actually a little interesting thing to add in here.
So I had Judge Sullivan at first, and he was a really lazy I'm not saying he was like a good judge or anything like that, because I don't know the DC judges were good judges.
Was this out at like what the Southern District of New Jersey or something?
So I got arrested in in New Jersey, but everything got transferred to DC, like immediately.
So did you have to go to DC to do or to go to trial?
For trial, yes.
In the beginning, though, everything was Zoom hearing because of the COVID stuff.
So I had Judge Sullivan at first.
He actually seemed kind of amenable to have things kind of get kicked down the road.
So there was a lot of can kicking with this over Perfect My Prosecutor got transferred, so I had a new prosecutor, had to start the process over.
In the fall of 2022, you know, at this point, um, you had the initial stuff with Fisher with the Fisher case.
And this is kind of irrelevant when it comes to the 1512 felony.
Do you mind if I digress a bit on the 1512?
Please, please explain it to the people because uh 18 USC 1512, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, please explain it to you.
So the the 1512 felony is called obstruction of an official proceeding.
It goes back to the Enron era, the the uh Sarbanes Oxy Act, and basically Enron was destroying documents and and trying to impede their invet the investigation of Enron officials, right?
And there is some like loophole in the law.
This is like in the 80s, right?
Early 2000s, early 2000s.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Yeah, so there there was this whole thing like loophole in the law, basically, where they could be destroying these things, or like or they I don't know if whether it's that they couldn't destroy it, but but basically the bottom line is that it was the whole law was about witness tampering and document destruction.
And you basically have a 20-year felony if you do it to impede a proceeding.
And that's what they hit you with.
Well, so there's a subsection that says, or otherwise obstructing an official proceeding.
And so they took this law, which is about financial crimes, yeah, and they applied it to basically anybody who they wanted to, uh, who went into the Capitol or even didn't go into the Capitol, right?
Yeah, it didn't matter.
You know, it didn't really matter.
So literally it was so vague they're not gonna be.
Everyone got charged.
That was their go to felony, right?
Oh, all of you guys got hit with the same thing.
Everybody got hit.
So when that Fisher, when that Fisher ruling came in, it affected us all.
Gotcha.
Right.
So pretty much the government was trying in the beginning, they were trying to restructure how they prosecuted the cases so they could make it stick.
Yeah.
Um, and then they the the since the judges were throwing them out, I think they kind of just gave up on it.
Um also so some judges were throwing out this 1512.
Yeah, if the Supreme Court's telling you, hey, this doesn't apply, yeah, right.
And then you as a as a judge is like, well, fuck you, Supreme Court, like uh, we're gonna do whatever we want.
No, they were they were throwing it out.
I know a whole bunch of judges that would have wanted for it to stick.
Um but they used it, that was like the the the cookie cutter felony in order to get anybody.
Like if you trespassed into the Capitol, like all you did was really just walk in, like they did, or I can't say it because I wasn't there.
Yeah, uh, then that was a felony that you got hit with.
And usually people that were louder, people with like a podcast.
Yeah, I was shouting in there too.
They didn't learn.
Or people like that had a bigger following.
That's what they did uh to make an example.
Yeah, yeah.
So anyone that had a platform, an audience of some kind, they went after you guys first.
You're done.
That's a hundred percent.
If you were if you were in Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, three percenters, if you had a big social media platform, those were grounds basically to throw the book at you to go after you.
I saw you on Yahoo.
Yeah.
I saw you and Yahoo.
They went after you quick, but yeah, no, they were really I mean, I mean, the day after Biden has sworn in is crazy.
This is insane.
That tells me just putting on my investigator hat.
They had the warrants ready to go.
They just waited until he was sworn in.
Yeah, new USA comes in.
All right, well, let's push this through 100% right.
They had everything ready to go.
They just waited for the new USA to come in.
Yeah, because they were having the hearings from Eric Garland before Biden was sworn in.
Yeah, right, yeah, the attorney general, and then also the other thing too is that um the United States attorney, a lot of people don't know this, that is a presidentially appointed position.
The United States attorney presides over that entire area and takes all the cases.
So they went.
His name was Matthew Graves.
Boom.
Washington DC right graves.
Yeah.
So that guy got appointed by Biden.
He comes in, all right.
Let's go get them all now.
Yeah, yeah.
Yep.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
Um real people.
So you go to trial.
Yeah.
So in the must have been nerve-wracking.
No one goes to trial.
So, like, take us through that, man.
Yeah, yeah.
So in the fall of 2022, we we kept trying to do this delay because of the Fisher case, because it was going to the appeals court, and the judge gave us another delay.
The prosecution was now really angry about this.
You could see.
And it was really convenient for them because over the weekend, like I had the hearing on a Thursday, and then my lawyer call calls me on Monday and he says, You have a new judge now.
Oh.
And I'm like, okay, what are the fucking odds of that?
You had a district judge, right?
I it was uh, yeah, federal.
Registered for the misdemeanors, then it goes to a district judge for the felony.
Yeah.
So I had Judge Sullivan at first, he was he was happy to delay it, and then I get transferred to Beryl Howell, who's very harsh and very interesting.
Yeah.
She's she's actually was under two congressional investigations, one for collusion with the Justice Department and another one for bias, basically.
So she's a big advocate activist judge that is anti-Trump, openly anti-Trump, that she should have never taken.
A lot of these judges should have never taken these cases.
Okay, holy shit.
Let me let me get this.
Let me let me get this straight.
So in every district, there's a couple of district judges, depending on how big it is.
You guys all got indicted out of the district district of Columbia.
We had the same, I think it's 12 judges that operated out of DC.
I think it's somewhere close to that.
So 12 judges, would it be fair to say that all 1500 people from the January 6th event basically got one of those 12 judges?
Yeah, basically, yeah, that's exactly what it is.
All those, all those.
If you were a J Sixer, yeah, you're gonna be charged in DC.
Exactly.
And if you're charging DC, these are the judges.
And are all of them left leaning pretty much?
And you I mean, yeah.
Some rapidly, some rabidly.
So here's another thing.
But not not one of them is right wing, no.
Well, here's here's here's a confusion with some people.
Some people the new the media picks this up.
They're like, oh, well, these are Trump appointed judges.
Well, even if they're Trump appointed judges, that's not how the appointments work, right?
There's a committee that goes and says, hey, these are the judges that we are recommending.
And the president just basically.
He doesn't know.
He he relied up on establishment GOP, deep state motherfuckers that have been there forever.
He relied on them to appoint make the appointment.
So a lot of them probably might not even align with him politically.
I mean, what we're seeing now is a different administration, like he like like my uh Pat just said, uh, it is important that Trump, the election in 2020 was stolen, right?
Because it was a learning experience for him, too.
Yeah, yeah.
We're seeing a Trump that we we would have never saw in 2020.
We're seeing a country and a culture shift that we would have never seen if if that didn't happen.
That was supposed to happen.
That was God sent.
Yeah, but I'll tell you this.
So now nothing that the president does comes out of his office.
I mean, it doesn't leaves his office.
So when what we'll give you the perfect example, pardons are usually done by the Department of Justice by a a small group of prosecutors that decide who gets the pardon who doesn't.
At the end of the term.
Yeah.
So in the president's case, no, he went ahead and he he he uh he appointed uh uh a pardon czar, which is that um that woman that did 21 years for a marijuana, she was pardoned by the president back in 2019.
Okay.
So he appointed her.
So everything goes to his office.
He's he's not micromanaging, but he's using his people the right way now.
Yeah.
So that's that's something that's big at the end of the day.
I think that kind of speaks to the whole pardon issue that uh a lot of people are up in arms and I've been kind of sitting back, wait, because I didn't receive a pardon.
Yeah, I was gonna ask you about that next.
This is it next to me did.
You got a community.
If you can explain the difference between uh a commune, and then we'll come back to you with the child.
I want to hear about that.
Yeah, commutation v versus uh a pardon.
So with the pardon, you you can still see that you have evidence you have had a conviction before, but everything's sealed, right?
Uh, and you're able to go probation free, you're you're gone.
You're done.
None of your civil rights are violated, you can carry a gun, carry your gun.
Don't lose your ability to second amendment, all that commutation is you you've served your sentence, but you still have to do probation.
So when I got back I got 18 years.
Yeah.
I got 18 years.
Second best for 15 years.
This is competitive.
I'm just well, seditious conspiracy was uh the charge that we got that was the uh the big bad.
Okay, so you guys both got hit with 371.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, 23 2384.
2384.
Which is sedition.
Oh, so they didn't even hit you with the normal conspiracy.
No, no, they went, they went to the country.
We got everything.
We got all we got they they dusted off the books on the civil war era.
I was gonna say, like normal, it's ACWSC 371 conspiracy.
Yeah, general one.
That I've never even seen that.
Seditious conspiracy, it's actually the only felony that has the conspiracy laid out in the law itself that's above just conspiracy.
Is it is it um basically tied to political uh conspiracy?
So what it is is so just to tell you what sedition is, sedition was uh the British made this this this law back in the 1400s where they couldn't charge somebody with treason, right?
So they made another law called sedition, and it was really they were they were jailing their political opponents with it.
Okay.
Now, fast forward into uh the civil war, um it was actually before the civil war, John Adams passed this thing called the Seditious Acts, and it was actually rendered unconstitutional two years later and it went away.
After the civil war, they needed a way to punish um the the rebel army, right, coming back, and they needed a law and they couldn't charge him with treason, so they brought back this sedition, which is what we see today as the 18 USC 2384.
Wow, right?
And that's really it's it's hardly ever used because it's a it's a very high bar.
But it didn't matter in DC because the most important thing you wanted to ask him about the trial.
Yeah, the trial doesn't matter.
Yeah, because the jury pool.
Anybody who went to DC and went to trial lost that trial on the first day.
First day we are all guilty.
Because when you go to jury selection and 14 member uh people that are residents of DC, DC is the most left-leaning district by far worse in the country.
Ninety-three percent voted for Biden, much just voted for Trump.
They're lefty activists.
Yes.
Not only that, I mean she Kamala Harris won Washington, DC.
That should tell you everything you need to know.
I mean, she got like 90% plus of the vote in the last election.
I don't I don't think that there's uh somebody in that who was being well looked at for a jury, wanted she didn't want to put us in prison.
She went on to the city.
That's what she said.
And she almost got put in the jury.
Yeah, and then the foreman we we protest, the Proud Boys pride themselves in protesting that drag queen story hour shit.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, so they were the Proud Boys have never stopped protesting that.
And they were it's events in DC while we were going to trial, right?
That the Proud Boys were protesting in the District of Columbia.
Guess who the foreman of our jury was?
He is the guy who organizes Drag Queen's story hour.
So anybody who went to trial did the smart thing and the courageous thing to do, right?
But it was also in It was six months.
It was impossible to win.
So you said your trial was one day.
No, it was a week.
It was a week.
It started on my birthday, actually, June 5th, 2023.
What a happy birthday.
And then the last the next two days were them showing footage of all sorts of other things that happened on J6 that had nothing to do with me.
They're like, like my lawyer would go and say, Was Mr. Steadman present for this?
Like to the witness.
The witness said, No, I never saw him.
You know, I yeah, he wouldn't have been able to see this.
And we're like, how the f how the fuck was this even allowed in the trial to begin?
Yeah.
Well, that's the thing.
So we protested this in the motions.
Yeah, obviously.
Before the trial.
Yeah, before the trial, and we were denied on it.
Basically, we said, look, if the if the prosecution is gonna show evidence of things that Mr. Stebin wasn't present for, then we can show, you know, other evidence of things that Mr. Stedman wasn't present for that might defend him, like the police attacking the protesters.
Of course.
And they said, no, the government can use whatever they want to set the context, but you can only show what you saw.
So it was automatically from the beginning, completely weighted against any reasonable unbalanced.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, if you're a jury, even if you weren't a DC jury, right?
That was super biased from the start.
You have two days straight of watching people ride and blow, you know, throw things and and like I didn't do that, but like that's what they showed him for two days straight.
That's how does that not bias them?
Yeah, that's gonna bias them immediately.
Yeah.
What the f okay?
So this is crazy.
So going back to this um sedition charge, which I've never seen it.
I've it's probably never been charged in modern times.
Uh yeah, actually, it was charged one time by uh a Puerto Rican national back in the 50s that literally bombed the Capitol and killed people with guns in the Capitol, and she was charged with sedition, amongst other things.
Yes, wasn't she pardoned by Clinton?
She was called party.
She was pardoned by Clinton.
Uh I believe Clinton or Obama is Clinton.
Oh, of course, in the 50s, she was the first one.
This must have been when um the FBI was spying on Puerto Ricans, right?
This is that era.
Okay.
Yes.
Yeah, because there was a lot of Puerto Rican revolutionaries that didn't want to be.
Gotcha.
Um we had the longest trial in DC history.
So you both went to trial too.
Yeah, this is my this is my not only my brother, uh, this is also my co-defendant.
Uh there's five of us.
We I was number one on the indictment, just so you know.
He loves when I say that.
I was number one.
Yeah, normally the number one is the top guy.
Can we can we take this mute this mute his mic, please?
You guys had the only like co-defendant because we were none of none of the J6ers were usually co-defendants, but you guys were all actually.
We were all co-defendants.
We went to trial for six months.
Yeah, that was every day.
Wake up at four o'clock in the morning, you get put in chains, you get put in the bus, you got an hour drive every day for six months below sandwiches, uh, breakfast, lunch, and day.
So that let me say psychological warfare.
Yeah, yeah.
So I gotta go through this with you guys.
So, okay.
So when were you guys indicted?
Uh well, they were indicted in January of 21.
I they took a whole year to come pick me up.
So same with you, you guys.
You guys got indicted basically your arrest warrants filed just like Pat immediately.
You guys are getting arrested at 21st.
The this the superseding indictments were like ready to go before they had any evidence against us at all.
Yeah.
Okay.
Which is not legal from what I understand.
So you get arrested where in California or uh in Seattle.
Okay, thank God.
So you're there.
Take us through that day like a Californian.
Take us through that day when they picked you up.
Uh well, I was actually out with the boys at a meetup, and these idiot feds didn't know I wasn't home.
So they kicked down my door, they threw flashbangs, they held my wife at gunpoint.
Wow.
Um, just massive, like, I don't know how many agencies were involved, but we're talking, I mean, there was a tank in my front lawn.
What?
A tank.
Literally, well, they're like right, you know, they probably spent their uh SRT program.
I had two tents.
God damn, bro.
I got, I mean, they but they broke in my door.
There's flashbangs like burn marks all over my carpet still to this day.
Wow.
Um, and they held my wife at gunpoint uh arrested her without right reading her her rights or Miranda rights or anything.
She got arrested too.
Well, detained her.
So they put her in cuffs for hours.
Okay.
And we're interrogating her for passwords for my uh laptop.
And so I get a call.
I'm I'm hanging out with the boys, right?
Yeah.
And hey, the FBI's here.
And I, you know, I was anticipating this.
Yeah, I mean, uh, so I was like, all right, cool.
I talked, I was like, let me talk to the head agent.
I talked to the guy.
He's he's like super chill with me.
You know what I mean?
I'm like, hey man, what's going on?
What am I being charged with?
I'm not away right now.
Oh, where are you?
Where do you when are you gonna be here?
You know, just hey, look, man, I'm I'm coming, okay.
I'm not, you know, I'll turn myself in.
I just need to know what's going on.
What's what am I being charged with?
Because at the time I had no idea.
There's no way that I would ever have a thought that we would have ended up being charged with what we got charged with.
I'm thinking I might be in jail for like the weekend.
They might try and question me and say, Oh, fuck yourself, you know, what I mean.
Yeah, like I'm not talking to you, lames.
Uh that didn't happen.
Within the four years that I was locked up in all of trial, I was never asked a single question by a single government anything.
And I was unlike Enrique.
Well, I guess Oh, here we go.
What the fuck?
I love getting him in.
But so on the ground, I was leading the Proud Boys, and there is no communication between any of us guys and Enrique, right?
So he creates this plan, and I'm and I'm acting it out with the guys allegedly.
That's what they that's what they alleged in the indictment.
So if anybody knew what the actual plan was on the ground that was leading this insurrection, it would have been me.
Yeah.
And I was never asked one time by a prosecutor by an FBI agent, nothing, not even an attempt.
Hey, yeah, what happened that day?
And I never got a chance to speak to anybody.
I my lawyer didn't think it was a good idea to go to testify just because of the bullshit that they were doing.
Just character assassination and and they limited our scope so much.
Yeah, that it was just we are so constrained, it was just like, look, let's just get to the let's just get to the So you're there on the what he's asking the so that the bureau agent is telling you, hey, turn yourself in or where you at, right?
Right.
And you're in Seattle, they're in Seattle as well.
Yeah, so I'm heading back, you know.
It took me about an hour drive.
I'm hanging out with the boys all night.
And yeah, the guy's like, look, just turn yourself in at two, come home, take a shower, whatever.
I'm like, okay, cool, man.
Sounds good.
I pull up and I've got lasers all over my body.
Just like I'm like afraid to even put my car and park.
Yeah, and they're all yelling at me, and uh, you know, I got rifles all on me.
So you pull up and then you as soon as you pull up, like your your car.
I'm just red dots.
You're surrounded as soon as you show up.
I'm not gonna move.
And so finally the cop co comes up to my window and be like, hey man, you need to get out of the car.
I'm like, I need to put the car in park.
I'm not trying to run y'all over, and then you guys have a reason to shoot me, you know, right?
Yeah, thinking.
And so he's like, okay, do it.
Your foot is on the brake, just sitting there, yeah.
I'm not moving us up an inch until they they give me permission to to put the car in park, and they cuff me.
Um, they bring me in the house.
I kind of get in their face a little bit because I'm like, you know, at this time we're we're really battling Antifa in the streets, and nothing's being done to them, and they're coming to my house and treating me like a terrorist.
Yeah.
And so I'm like, you guys do all this for us, and you I you don't even acknowledge that Antifa or these other entities exist.
I mean, how many of these guys' doors you you knocking down?
I mean, zero zero BLM never gets arrested.
I get medals.
Well, Tim Kane, Tim Kane, right?
The vice presidential candidate for Clinton.
His his son was an Antifa.
Yeah.
Well, it's fucking ridiculous.
It's certain it's certainly interesting, you know, with all this money uh Doge is is uh taking away from the funding.
How how many Antifa aren't showing up lately?
Uh yeah, we did uh we did a last week we did a presser in DC to announce that we're we're suing the DOJ for violation of civil rights, plus plus, plus, plus, plus all these things.
If we would have we had like three screamers there, you know, some people with bullhorn, like three banshees, like three liberals talking shit.
Liberal c crusty white women that are like, of course, four foot nine.
Yeah, no problem.
I got no problem.
If we would have done that back in 2020 or 2019, we would have had like hundreds of Antifa.
So it's it's kind of like we we we just got pardoned, yeah, and we came out into like this crazy multiverse that we didn't expect that you guys built.
You know, we were locked in that you guys built while we came out.
The culture has shifted so much that that shit isn't cool anymore.
Yeah, Going out in the street and assaulting uh Trump supporters isn't cool.
I also want to thank my boys, right, for doing that because I think that was a big portion of it.
You know, every time they came out, we fought back.
Um but the price that we paid of course, right, was January 6th.
I paid 22 years of my life.
He paid 18, you paid a year, Joe Biggs paid 17, Zachary Real paid 15, and Dominic Pizzola paid 10.
Those are my lot more if it wasn't for Trump.
Yeah, I mean, I would have been there right now if it wasn't for Trump.
He saved he saved my fucking life.
He saved all of our lives.
And since we would have rotten there.
This is why I don't want anyone telling me it doesn't matter who you vote for.
This is proof right here it matters who you vote for.
These innocent political prisoners would have still been in jail if Harris was president.
It's a fact.
I mean, this is a dating podcast and male self-improvement, but obviously when I saw what was going on in 2024, I was like, no, we gotta get Trump in, man.
Like this is uh beyond just getting some bitches like this is gonna be very problematic if Kamala becomes president of the United States, and obviously, you know, we made sure to campaign and push and say, guys, you gotta get out there and vote Republican and vote for Trump.
Well, no, that didn't work out, and we were too big to rig, baby.
Like we won in the last line exactly what I said, which was great, you know.
And I remember that night when uh that was a day that I was free, right?
Trump pardoned me on January 20th, 2020.
A lot of people don't know this.
So he he took he took his oath of office at noon, right?
And everybody was waiting till five o'clock because that's when he was gonna sign all the executive order and the pardon.
So every all you guys that were watching on TV, right?
Um, these these, and you're everybody was like, okay, that's when he's gonna sign the pardons.
Bullshit.
At 130 p.m., there was already emails and faxes from the administration to the Bureau of Prisons that told them you better prepare to release these guys today.
Yeah, he said, and I'm gonna quote him, I will release them in the first nine minutes of my presidency.
Yep.
And that was a hundred percent true.
Promises made, promises kept.
Have you talked to the president?
Uh no, I haven't.
Gotcha.
Um so back to you're so you're there, they got you handcuffed at the house.
They got you handcuffed at the house.
Um, what happened after that?
Like they just took you in and you didn't you you obviously probably invoked your right to not to not speak to them or um uh I kind of just I don't know.
Yeah, I I I just had no experience with the feds prior to this at all.
And so I'm I'm thinking again that this is gonna be one of those interrogation systems.
Let's just let's just get it over with, right?
Yep.
Um and it's just kind of going back to that time frame, it's just kind of wild.
Like it's it's I really feel like we're we've been just in this long dream since we got let out.
Four years thinking back on it, it's just like it's the mindset that I had was just so much different.
And what I've learned from the feds.
Um, you know, these guys you can't trust them.
And they they they want to be your buddy, they want to, you know, hey, it's all it's all good, bro.
We understand, you know, we're just doing our job.
It's called minimizing.
That's what they do.
Yeah, it's and you know what the I hear it from the marshals, I heard it from uh the COs, I've heard it from local police.
And I'm just kind of sick of this.
Hey, you understand, man.
I'm just doing my job thing.
Yeah, you should be fired.
You should be, and you should feel a sense of guilt that you're cuffing up innocent people and taking them from their families.
And a lot of people don't realize like the scope of this issue isn't just like us, you know, directly, specifically the guys who experience this head on.
It's our families, it's our friends, it's our businesses that got shut down, and the employees that lost their jobs because of it, and their families, and like this is a huge, huge ripple effect of a problem that happened, and there's several thousand of people.
There's only I think uh oh, like 260 that were locked up, right?
So I think there's less than a hundred that are locked up since like day one, like when we got arrested originally.
Uh I got arrested like early uh February 2nd.
Again, what the first thing?
Number one.
Uh so yeah, so you got arrested February 2nd.
Okay.
There's there's you know, there's a lot of people that were going through this the entire time.
And it's insane to me, and I think everybody else, if you really think about this, one man was our savior.
We couldn't rely on anyone else.
There was no other leader In our country.
Well, you know, we God was obviously the uh the one getting all this organized.
And I that's why I believe so much that Trump was gonna get it elected.
I saw him get they tried to kill him, they tried to bankrupt him, they tried to do everything they could, and there's I can't explain how the in my mortal brain how that's possible in unless there was something super natural.
Divine intervention exactly.
Yeah, so there's just an it's it's in it's impossible.
We've never seen anything like that before.
And a lot of people forget like when when you're in prison, right?
Because I I I only did I don't want to say only, but I did three years.
Yeah, you know, they did four.
And you guys were locked up the whole time, right?
Like you never got by.
We were in solitary confinement the whole fucking time.
I did three years of solitary confinement in 40 different prisons.
They had me on what's called diesel therapy.
Forty different prisons, 40 different prisons.
Wow.
Prisons, county jails, and federal holdovers.
Yeah, they do that to you so you won't be comfortable in one place, and and you're solid, it's solitary confinement.
You're by your fucking self.
Noise, hardly any communication, no wreck or anything.
Why did they have put you guys?
Because I'm assuming you guys didn't ask for it.
They just put you in solitary confinement just because of the nature of your charges.
Yeah, because the charges are akin to that of terrorists.
So they had to treat us differently with the sedition charge.
With the sedition charge.
Not you were on.
Oh no, but you you were in for a year, right?
Yeah, I was sentenced to four years.
Okay.
Um, but I only ended up serving a year because the Supreme Court overturned that 1512 felony midway through my sentence.
Gotcha.
But what was you were in Gen Pop, or did they isolate you through?
I was in general population.
Okay, yeah, yeah.
But the sedition charge, they pretty much like a charge.
They they you put I was put in the same cat, and they were to we were put in the same category as uh El Chapo.
Yeah, right.
Wow, the same the same method of transportation.
Basically, yes.
Yeah.
So I actually remember when we're in Alexandria, the plane bomber guy.
He like bombed a whole whole airplane over Africa and like killed like 300 and something people.
Okay.
He wasn't even at our level.
Wow.
Like when we came out of ourselves, they had to shut down the entire floor.
There couldn't be any more inmates out out on the floor.
Um, so it was crazy, but uh this is where what I was saying is you get used to that.
You know, one gets adapted.
It's the nefarious thing about this whole situation is how easily somebody like that's life, right?
The people who suffered more than we did was our families.
Yeah, yeah.
Right?
Because they're out here fighting every day.
My mom was crying every day, my wife was crying every day.
And the people that did that to them, those people need to pay.
Yeah.
And what I mean by they need to pay is I want accountability.
Yeah, I want investigations.
If we were we were to do investigations, we're gonna find a crime.
And if we find a crime, they need to be prosecuted.
If they're prosecuted, they will be found guilty.
And if they're found guilty, they need to be put in a concrete box exactly like we are.
I'm not here to play games, I'm not here to be the bigger person.
They need to be put in jail.
Yeah, a hundred percent.
And and I just want to just uh to add to what Enrique is saying we're not asking for them to do what they did to us.
They framed us for crimes.
We know what they did.
We want them just held accountable for the things that they actually did.
This is not about like playing their games.
We just want justice, real justice.
Yeah.
The real conspirators.
Yeah, frankly, justice should mean reparations for you guys in every single January 6, or I'm waiting for you guys to actually do something about that.
We're gonna sue them.
Yeah, we're gonna sue.
And you know what I'm gonna do.
Classic uh while you guys are getting together and well, uh, there's there is a couple class actions that are coming, uh, but I think a lot of the attorneys what they're trying to do is sue individually, right?
Um, because it's more effective.
Um maybe a class actions gonna happen, maybe we join it.
Are you guys going after the department of justice, or are you guys going after A USA's and agents?
One that is one step.
We'll be announcing in the next week.
Okay, fine.
Um we'll be announcing in the next week exactly, but it is a department of justice.
It might be the FBI, it might be the Bureau of Prisons.
Um again, it's violation of civil rights.
So uh I think I think it's I think we're we're gonna win this, and when we win this, I'm gonna spend a little bit of that money frivolously, right?
Because what I want to do is I want to be three years of your life was taken from the right.
Yeah, I'm gonna buy like a fucking cheetah with like a gold gold leash.
Yeah, You know, um, just to because what they did to us I'm I'm really not gonna do that, but what they did to us was wrong.
Yeah, and it's not just reparations, it's payback.
Yeah, you know, and it's it's justified payback because we did not do anything wrong.
The J Sixers did nothing wrong, the Proud Boys did nothing wrong, and the three men that are sitting right here did nothing wrong.
So take me through what happened for you on that day.
So you weren't even there.
I wasn't there.
You're you're in Baltimore.
I'm in Baltimore in the hotel.
They take my phone from me, right?
What what day was this?
This is uh I get released on January on January 5th.
I get bonded out January 5th.
Yes, because you got arrested by what did you get arrested by Metropolitan?
Metropolitan Metropolitan.
Because of BLM stuff.
Because of BLS.
Misdemeanor charge, I'm guessing.
It's a it's a misdemeanor charge.
Yes.
Okay.
So you get out.
They also give me a felony because I had a high capacity magazine, which is a 30-round mag.
Uh on my store, on my online store, I do like custom laser engraving.
So I was bringing them to somebody.
I didn't know it was illegal.
Okay.
But it didn't matter because the judge didn't ban me from DC for the mags.
She banned me in DC because she says that there's a whole bunch of Black Lives Matter banner and they're all in danger.
Because she might be right.
Okay.
So you get so you get you get by and you get out.
Okay.
I get out.
Uh I'm automatically ordered to leave the district.
Okay.
But they keep my phone, which is weird for these stupid charges.
They keep my phone.
Yeah.
And I'm gonna tell you why later.
Yeah.
So I'm in, I go, you know what, I gotta leave.
Let's go to Baltimore.
These guys can go ahead and uh and meet me up in Baltimore and party on January 6th at night, or I'll meet them in Virginia.
So no big deal.
So I go to Baltimore, I stay overnight.
I don't have a phone.
I have no way of communicating with them, right?
Because I don't care to communicate with them.
They're gonna go have fun at the Trump speech.
I'm gonna take a very nice day to relax that I didn't have any during that election season because we were we're flying all over the place.
Um, so I was actually gonna enjoy the day, and I did.
You know, I woke up in the morning, I skateboarded to to uh the corner store, I got some breakfast.
I I'm like, well, I need a phone.
I skateboarded to Walgreens, I got a phone, I didn't activate it, I got on Wi-Fi.
But by the time I come back, guess what happened?
The Capitol was breached.
Uh so I find out This is January 6th now.
I probably found out later than you did.
Yeah, right?
Because I I have no communication.
I get I finally get to the hotel room.
I turn on the TV, I'm like, what's this?
So I'm watching this on TV.
I celebrated what happened on my social media platforms, like most of America did, right?
I'm guilty of that.
If that's a crime, I'm guilty of that.
And um, you know, at night I was kind of like, well, fuck, I'm happy I I wasn't there because then you know what?
They'd arrest me for the charge of trespassing.
Yeah, right.
Because that's like that's the thing that I thought was the highest thing that was gonna happen.
Uh you get arrested for fucking trespasses.
$50 citation.
Yeah.
So these guys start getting picked up, right?
On February 12th, the FBI has a press conference.
This isn't a fucking conspiracy theory.
You guys can look it up right on YouTube right now.
February 12th, January 6th FBI press conference.
Okay.
So they said, they were asked the question, what was it that you did to prevent January 6th?
And the first thing that they said is we arrested Enrique Atario on January 4th.
Right?
They didn't arrest me.
It was Metropolitan Police Department.
Yeah, they ordered the Metropolitan Police Department to arrest me for the misdemeanor so they could keep me out of the loop in January 6th.
I'm gonna tell you this right now.
If I was on the ground on January 6th, we wouldn't have gone into the Capitol.
Not because I'm smarter than anybody or anything.
I had speaking engagements on the opposite side of the Capitol, over there by the Washington Monument.
So we wouldn't even even been close, right?
Um obviously, since I wasn't there, you know, there was nothing to do, and these guys wanted to go see the Capitol, and that was where the rally was supposed to be.
The president said it.
We're gonna rally in front of the Capitol, right?
And that's you know, it was supposed to be a regular rally.
I think it was a a riot gone wrong, like a protest gone wrong, you know, and I said it that same day.
You know, if if you trespassed, you know, you're gonna get fucked.
You're gonna get trespassing charge.
If you put your hands on a cop, you're fucked.
You're gonna get charged with, but that's not what happened in these cases.
They're doing the 1512, they use the 1512, which is a 20-year felony, by the way.
Yeah, it's not just like a regular five years.
Yeah, financial charge, that's 20 year felony, right?
So this is a good one.
Then did they use that against Bernie Mayadoff?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Okay.
It's possible.
Very possible though.
Okay.
A lot of people get hit with that.
And here's another thing that people don't understand too is the enhancements that they went wild.
Oh, yeah.
I'm glad you brought that up.
Yeah.
We got a terrorist.
For touching a fence.
Yeah.
Wow.
So they increased us from, I think it was like 14 years to be a good thing.
To go from the category one all the way to category six and all the way down.
They were trying to give us life.
This doesn't even seem like America what they did together.
It wasn't, it wasn't it's not America.
No.
It's not America.
Yes.
That's not that's not what this is.
It's not like my I'm Cuban.
My family came from Cuba.
They literally left the island because one of my family members, right?
At the order of Che Guevara wanted him to give up his piece of property so they could use it as a Ford operating base.
And when my family members said no, Che Guevara gave the order to put all the males, all the adult males that lived in the house on their knees, tied their hands behind their back and shot them in the back of the head.
That's what these people want to do to us.
They can't do it because it's too much.
Right.
So the next step is just lock them in a cage, throw away the key.
22 years is a fucking life sentence.
Yeah, pretty much.
So, okay.
So the FBI does this press conference.
You're there watching it.
I'm watching it.
So you must have been like, oh shit.
So they arrested you basically on a misdemeanor charge as a guise to get access to your phone and keep you away from DC.
Gotcha.
So then about a year later, right?
They they went to the grand jury multiple times and they couldn't they couldn't get an indictment.
And you know, the the saying goes they could indict a ham sandwich.
Of course.
So they couldn't get an indictment.
So they finally unlocked my phone.
Right.
They sent it to Israel to this company called uh Celebrite.
Yes.
Yep.
So they unlocked the phone.
And uh it was an iPhone.
Yeah.
That's why it took so long.
Yeah, yeah.
So they went ahead and they found this document on my phone.
You're not under arrest at this point, right?
You're like the fence.
No, no, no, no.
I'm I'm just talking about their process to get it.
Yeah, this is what they did, but you hadn't been arrested yet.
No, no, no.
I didn't get arrested a year and two months later on March 8th of 22 2022.
Okay.
But meanwhile, all the your buddies probably.
Everybody's there.
I'm like, I'm like fucking putting rallies together.
I'm fucking doing fucking t-shirts, I'm doing their fundraisers, I'm doing all that shit.
How many guys have been arrested at at this point when you you were the last one they got, probably, right?
No, no, there was more people after me, but I was one of the latecomers.
Okay.
Right.
So sorry, you were saying about the phone.
The document that they find is called this, it's a document uh called 1776 returns, and it's actually a very interesting document.
The actual document is not like it's not bad or anything.
It's like how to stage a sit-in at a government building, right?
Terrorism, yeah, terrorism.
Uh so by that alone, I should have been exonerated because there's no fucking way in the world.
If I tell this man right here, if you look at his size, if I tell that man right here, and there's there's a whole bunch of them bigger than him in the group, and I tell them that we're gonna go into a building and we're gonna stage a sit in, we're gonna lock arms and we're gonna wait to cops play.
Well, that's a form of peaceful protest, though.
They would kick me out.
Yeah, and that is a form of peaceful protest.
But you're not gonna find a bunch of Proud Boys doing that cringe ass shit.
Yeah, it's just not happening.
So they present this to the to the jury, the grand jury.
They're like, look, look what we found on his phone.
This is the same thing.
It's what they used to get you indicted, okay, right?
The funny part is they knew a very small uh a very important detail about that document that they did not disclose that to the jury.
That document was never opened by me.
It was sent to me on Telegram, which at the very time, at the very moment that my phone was frozen in time, which was January 4th, I had 1.2 million unread messages on my telegram alone.
Oh so it was sent to my telegram.
I never opened it, never saw it.
They knew that they actually testified the forensics expert for the FBI, testified to that.
So already the grand jury indictment was was was done, uh was uh picked up illegally.
Yeah, and just so the audience understands, guys, with the grand jury, it's just them presenting their case for probable cause.
There's no defense, yeah.
No defense at all.
It's the agent and the AUSA in there talking to a grand jury.
We want probable cause.
This we Found it's not a real jury, and the defense can't do anything.
Like this is how they get charged.
So they use that as evidence to indict you.
Yes.
They use that.
That's the only piece of evidence that they used to indict me.
Oh, really?
That is the only piece of evidence that they used to indict me.
Other than that, there was no.
They couldn't find they couldn't find a single fucking piece of the case.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
They didn't tell the grand jury that whether I owe that's his trial.
This was on his phone.
Yeah.
This document was on his phone.
Yeah.
So this came out of trial.
So you have to indict this person.
And then so at trial is when that agent finally came out and said he never opened it.
He never opened it.
Their forensics expert said.
So like already, like you already arrested me on their false pretenses.
And then before trial, they went ahead and they gave me a sweetheart deal.
They offered me a sweetheart deal.
Okay.
What they offer you.
They offered me if I turned on the pre well, wait, before I tell you that.
They offered me that they would set me up for bail the following week, because it has to go through the judge, and the judge has to approve it.
In this case, the judge would have approved it.
And I would be released because I was in custody already at that point.
I think I was in custody for about like a year and a half.
I would be released the following week, and I wouldn't do a single day in prison anymore.
And all I had to do, and they slid the paper over.
All you have to do is confirm that this is a story that happened.
Not not asking for the truth.
Not, hey, tell me what happened, and we might lessen your time or whatever.
No.
Verify a lie.
Verify that this happened.
Testify against the president of the United States, the 45th president of the United States, and the next president of this country.
And you won't have to do a day in jail.
You can go out next week and you could be with your family, and uh and everything will be over.
Everything's peaceful.
So they gave you the plea agreement, basically was confirmed their statement of facts, right?
That they presented.
Yes.
And then be a government witness against Donald Trump.
Let me guess.
An insurrection case, Jack Smith.
An insurrection case, yes.
Now at this point, because if I'm not mistaken, that insurrection case by Jack Smith was the last indictment.
Had they indicted Trump for that yet?
They hadn't indicted Trump for that yet.
So it wasn't Jack Smith's team.
It was another team of attorneys that was also present, right?
Uh AUSAs.
So let me get so let me.
You were probably one of so then that deal that they gave you, you were probably one of the first people in America to know that they were going to indict the president on for January 6th.
I pretty much after that encounter, I knew that it was inevitable.
Gotcha.
Right.
Um I knew it was inevitable.
So I told them to fuck, go fuck themselves.
I told them to kick rocks, and because of that, yeah, is why I got 22 years.
Wow.
Yeah, you really undermined their case against Trump.
Yeah.
Big time.
We were because if if you read the indictment, that's awesome though.
If you read the Jack Smith indictment, right?
If you read the Jack Smith indictment, I read it.
It's the front of the United States government.
They technically didn't, they weren't they didn't indict him for January 6th.
Yeah.
Right.
What they indicted him for was documents.
That's why they used the 1512.
Yeah.
Altering documents, everything leading up from the election all the way to January 6th.
So it wasn't about what the the insurrection, right?
It was about the documents.
Because they wanted a nice and tidy indictment for sitting president, which it was sloppy as shit.
Anyways, but it's better than saying, well, he calls the insurrection and he's responsible because that's that's that's a bridge too far.
They actually had to try to make it believable and it wasn't believable at all.
But if I would have turned on the president, right, I'd be home free.
Wow.
And Kamala Harris would probably be able to do that.
We were the bridge to present the media, I think to prove that.
So did you also get this plea deal as well?
No, like it's the president.
Okay.
No interaction, no, no questions, nothing.
So after the day you got arrested, they didn't even they didn't even memorize you, they didn't ask any questions.
They came to the number one.
Because in my head, I'm thinking like you're a higher up guy.
Like no one tried to interview you at all.
None of them ages.
They just took you right to jail.
Yep, they took me right to jail, and uh, you know, I I found out my charges were, and I was super surprised about that.
And you know what that tells me?
That tells me it was probably hostage rescue team that went to go just from like you're saying the way they did it, one of their special response teams went to go arrest you, and then the case agent wasn't there on on site.
That's why they didn't ask you questions.
Maybe I don't know.
That's the only thing I because in my head, I'm like, wait, why would it?
Because you're according to them in the indictment, you'd be the number well, you're number one in the indictment.
At the time, I'm shocked no one would try to ask you questions.
Oh my god.
Yeah, I think I think what it was is because I had so I mean like I'm kind of a ghost on them on the telegram.
There's not uh there's really no evidence against me at all.
I went in through the entrance where police officers opened the door.
Gotcha.
Uh so I'm like, actually, like I would argue that my case, aside from his because he wasn't there, is probably one of the best presentable because it's so extreme is what I was charged with, and I did so little.
Yeah.
Um, you know, and so I think that they just wanted to bury me and keep me quiet, and they didn't want us collaborating together.
Of course.
So they just, you know.
So, okay, so they give you the sweetheart deal, and you said like 23, 24?
22 years.
No, I mean like in the year 22.
I believe it was at the end of 23.
23 or 22?
No, 22 at the end of 22.
That makes sense.
That's before Jack Smith was appointed.
They were already looking, they were already looking in that direction.
But we we all knew that.
If you if you jump back on a time machine, everybody was saying it, you know, the DOJ's attempting to rated Mar a Lago yet at this point.
No, they hadn't rated my own.
Okay, this is before everything.
This is before everything.
Okay.
Okay.
So this all right.
This makes sense then.
So they're because they rated Mar a Lago, if I'm not mistaken, summer of 22.
Sounds about right.
Right?
Summer of 203, maybe?
No. 22.
No, 22.
Summer of 22.
They made my we had just finished trial.
We were in Lewisburg.
Mo, can you factor it for me?
Just I think it's August of 22.
And then I remember they raided the house, and then a couple months later, then they indicted him for the fraud document case.
The document case, yes.
Right.
And then he had already been under charges for New York for the false document case.
Yes.
So first New York indicted him.
I think the first per the first thing was Mar-a-Lago.
Yeah.
And then the first indictment.
The state, I remember this.
Alvin Bragg, you know, wanted, oh, you know, but who cares?
That was a bullshit case.
So they they indicted him out of the state of New York.
Then the Mar-a-Lago raid, then the uh um document case, the classified document case.
Yeah, that makes sense now.
So they they were so they had this all ready to go from the beginning.
Of course.
The raids, uh, because the fact that they went to you saying, hey, we want you to testify against them for the insurrection case.
Yes.
Wow.
Well, can you think about this for a second?
Like if Enrique had signed that piece of paper and testified against Trump, that would have completely changed the entire narrative.
Yeah, yeah.
And it was I mean, this this was like a really heroic act.
I think people don't need to people need to know about this.
Like, this is that we're breaking it here.
I also want to be clear, like the entire, and uh obviously I said it, but I want to be clear about it.
The entire narrative of the city was a very good thing.
August 8th, 2022 was when they rated Mario.
August 8th, yep, you're right.
Uh the entire story that they made up was something out of a fucking like space fiction.
That's how outrageous it was.
Right.
Um I don't want to give them too much credit though.
I mean, like they did a great job, but we wore them the hell out of it.
Oh, yeah, we wore them down.
I mean, they they did throw us under the bus, but we can I mean we just we tested them every single just ask the marshals if we could get a marshal on here to just explain the wear and tear that we put on.
I d no.
Some of the stories.
I mean, this guy is we each individual marshal by the end, their spirit had to be just did we not have a lot of like we had great did we have a lot of fun?
We had a lot of a lot of fun.
I mean, every time getting your chains on, chains off, you know, there was uh pissed.
We were together for a long time, all five of us, all the five uh brothers co-defendants.
I hate I'm like institutionalized, so I want to say co-defendants.
Yeah, uh, but um all five of us were together the entire ride.
But you know what was the funnest part though is after trial, we went to Looseburg for a little bit, but the getting to the DC gula was fun.
That was probably my funniest time because I didn't go in there, but I I I met guys at Fort Dix who had spent some time there.
Oh man, it was great.
We had our own block.
The great part about it was like 'Cause you guys all got hit with the sedition so they put y'all together.
Yeah, so it was cool to be with all the capitals.
It was five guys that got hit with the sedition.
It was five of us and then I think another seven for the Oath Keepers, yeah, which is another group.
Yeah.
Um but when we were in there, it's a whole block.
So like we ran that shit.
What if you're we ran that shit?
What is the Proud Boys' relationship with the Oath Keepers and three percenters?
So to tell you my relationship with the leader of uh the leader of uh the Oath Keepers is Stuart Rhodes.
Uh before January 6, Me and Stuart Rhodes did not get along at all to the point where, like, my at my local chapter, because I although I was a chairman of the Proud Boys, I didn't have executive privilege over the guys.
Um, but my local chapter, I we cut off any recruiting from the Oathkeepers.
We wanted no recruiting, and it was just like on a personal level, personal differences between me and Stuart.
After January 6th, that's my brother.
Uh we went through hell together.
I actually was with Stuart now in DC.
Um they're two very different groups, right?
So they're more of like an organization/slash militia, where the Proud Boys is more people think that we're like a political movement, and we're not, we're more like a cultural movement, right?
Like we we we espouse these these views that are just like these pro-America, First Amendment, second, pro-family, uh those views.
So it's more of a cultural movement than it is political.
Like you like automatically, people are like, oh, well, they're a bunch of like uh Republicans and stuff like that.
No, we got there's a wide array of views within the Proud Boys.
Yeah, it's all we're all the only goal for us is to make better men, and then it all starts locally, you know.
It all starts locally for me, it starts locally, and and also for him, starts locally here in Miami.
My villain city chapter is my everything, you know.
His vice city chapter here in Miami is his everything, you know.
So that's how we make better men.
You start at home, of course.
It's like an eternity of sorts, right?
Um so you guys go to trial together, they have you guys all c all as co-defendants.
What was that like, man?
Because no one ever really goes up.
I'm shocked that all of you guys went to trial.
Most people don't do it, you know what I mean?
Because obviously you're looking at a lot of time, you had the sweetheart deal, you turn it down, you don't want to testify against Donald Trump, which is obviously very admirable.
Most people would have taken that deal in a second to be out of jail in a in a week.
Um, so take me through that, go on a trial, man.
That must have been nerve-wracking.
Um you guys are held in jail the entire time.
No bond, no bail, nothing.
It's you know what?
Like, I can't, it's not a one or zero thing.
It was a roller coaster of emotions.
Like some days we're great, you know, some days we thought we were gonna win, we were on top of the world.
You know, other days it's like we have no fucking chance, we're gonna be in prison our rest of our lives.
But I can't say that it would have been really tough for me to do this alone.
Yeah, and doing it with with my four brothers and my family support and their family support, like we knew we had a team.
Like we we literally built like the Avengers, right?
And we we put it together, and that's what got us through this whole thing.
And I'm sure they tried to get you to testify against other guys and the Proud Boys or they try to turn you.
No, they didn't care, they didn't care about it.
They only cared about with me, they're not none of that shit.
They cared about Trump.
That's it.
Wow, okay.
They that's all they cared about.
Yeah, because they didn't have they didn't have an in to get Trump for the the events of January 6th, like what happened at the Capitol that day.
They didn't have an in.
With me, they created an in.
Yeah, they they they swerved it, they lied, and they're like, This is a story.
Yeah, so they gave you in that statement of facts.
What did they want you to say?
Like um that Donald Trump put you up to it, it has a protective order, and I'm hoping it gets lifted.
Uh, I think next week, and I'll be able to say exactly what happened.
But come back after that, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I love it.
I live right down the street.
I love for the American public to see what they tried to do.
Because it because just so the audience knows, right?
They always give you when you plead guilty, right?
They tell you to plead guilty, and then they give you an assortment like like a statement of fact, right?
Like, this is what you're pleading guilty to.
So the fact that they wanted you to plead guilty to that, and I'm sure that statement of fact would have been something where I'm assuming here, I don't know what it is, but I'm just gonna speculate.
That statement of fact probably has something along the lines of Donald Trump put you up to doing to do this, blah, blah, blah.
So they can use that against him in the indictment, and then you they would have a witness against him.
I can't confirm or deny.
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
But the fact that the US government did that is absolutely crazy.
And the fact that they plan to sell so long since 22 is wild.
If this man, if this man didn't have morals, Donald Trump's not president.
Yeah, that's what I'm getting out of.
That's what I'm getting out of it too.
What they did, what they did to us, right?
And I had a we had a lot of time to think, right?
I'm sure, yeah.
What they did to us, they didn't learn how to do it.
It's not like they they like, hey, let's figure out how to indict these people.
This is something that they've learned how to do over the years.
Yeah, right.
Um precedented case.
They do it with and and you're familiar, you obviously you said conspiracy.
Yeah.
Like drug conspiracies, ghost dope.
Yeah.
Dope that doesn't even exist.
Like if I call somebody and I'm like, yeah, hey, you know what?
Let me get let me get two million kilos.
I know that's impossible.
But they'll fucking hit you with two million kilos.
You know, the dope never has to exist.
The money never has to exchange hands.
The call could be made, and you jump in the car, you turn the key, and that is the action towards uh the conspiracy.
Discover an act.
So that isn't a new thing.
And we've seen this not just on like drug cases or things like that.
We've seen this with political movements before.
Movements that I don't agree with.
You know, we've seen this with left-wing groups.
We've seen it with right wing groups.
So with us, it wasn't like they invented a new way.
Well, I'm saying I think for it was it was uh very educational for me.
Uh I know for everybody else, too, of those involved, uh, to go and speak to just regular inmates about like what he just mentioned ghost of ghost guns.
Um a lot of people are in for decades and decades, sometimes life for you know, the probable cause he was talking about earlier with the um the grand jury and also reasonable doubt, I think are two things that people really need to start honing in on a focusing on, and I think with hopefully with this new administration, we can start really honing in on that because there's just too much gray area that they offer the jury to make these hardline decisions on oh, he's guilty.
However, I have a bias and I don't like these guys, so I'm gonna do the community, you know, a service by putting them in prison, even though there's no real evidence.
Uh I don't really like them.
There I think I think reasonable doubt has to come into play as far as the judge and his you know being an arbiter of truth in the law, uh and ensuring that our rights are being you know represented properly.
I think the the reasonable doubt and probable cause has to play more of more of a standard in our law.
Yeah, this is scary.
What you guys are telling me right now is scary, and everyone watching this should be scared out their freaking minds.
Yeah, the standard is the standard is a good thing.
You're American citizens, they can't do this to you.
Well, obviously they can't five guilty horrible rapist murderers need to be set free before one innocent man is is found found guilty.
That's the standard.
Yeah.
All right.
And so we need to understand it like, well, that's crazy.
It's like, yeah, that's it's supposed to be crazy.
Like you shouldn't just easily be able to send somebody to prison who's innocent.
It needs to be you need the standard is before we ever do that, we let five guilty men go free because that's how serious this is.
We can't set a standard where this is something that can happen so easily.
Um let me ask a question because these guys in chat are a little bit wild.
Uh they're I know exactly they've been calling me a massad agent for years, but they're not calling you an information.
Come on now.
Uh no, let me just say that abundantly no.
Now they're calling you an informant.
So let me tell you what you have to say to people.
Let me tell you, because I'm watching the I'm watching it scroll over there.
And I've been I was a DOD contractor for 12 years.
In 2013, I caught a case, right?
And I've been very clear about this even before any of this.
Um in 2013, yes, I cooperated with the federal government in a case, right?
What they charged you with.
Uh at that time it was like uh uh rebranding and relabeling a diabetic test trips.
It was it was like a shit.
What the hell?
Yeah, it's a it's a weird, it's like this weird uh it's this weird trial.
So uh like just general fraud, I guess.
Yeah, so there was this there was this uh sex trafficking ring that was coming in from Mexico.
Okay.
Um, and what they did is they operated different little businesses here in the city, right?
Uh so we took that down, right?
Um that's been the story, right, with some of these some of these people.
And so they call you Fed for stopping a sex trafficking ring.
Yeah, exactly.
So obviously, but there's always there's always haters because I also see I I've seen people talk about Gary, like Massage, I mean I've seen it.
You're not doing something.
I believe in freedom of speech, so I let the chat go crazy and just let it go.
And that's that's that's where I'm at with it.
F you two chat.
And then like there's a lot of people too, like, and and I want to be clear because I've also seen that people are putting fake Proud Boy websites on there.
And we've had this recent problem with the these these Proud Boys.
When you're an organization that's that's lasted eight years, you tend to kick out a lot of guys.
And those guys have grievances for being kicked out, right?
When you kick out out enough guys, they form a click.
Of course.
And they want to be Proud Boys.
I get it.
I get it.
It's very flattering, but um, it's also dangerous too, because there are those people that we've kicked out because they are literal feds, right?
Because we got to see the lists and things like that.
Oh, yeah, because you guys got discovery.
We get to get discovery.
Also, it's protective order, but uh, you know, we've kicked we've kicked out a lot of people.
Yeah.
So what ends up happening is that they click up with these feds, right?
And then they show up.
I'm gonna give you the prime example.
So before uh January 20th, before the inauguration, I told the Proud Boys, I go, please, guys, do not go out in the streets, do not march in the streets, right?
Because you're risking you know us getting a pardon, right?
We don't want any to make any noise right now.
There's no antif in the streets, there's no BLM in the streets.
Why are you gonna go in the streets?
Yeah, so everybody's like everybody contacted each other.
We're like, hey, don't worry about that shit.
We'll never show up.
Guess what happens on January 20th?
A group of people in black and yellow show up to DC, right?
They start making fucking noise, and it's exactly what the organization didn't want, right?
These are people that aren't Proud Boys, these are people that I've seen the video.
There's there's two federal informants inside the actual crowd and federal informants, not from like 2013, like my case was from people that threw people January 6thers under the bus.
Gotcha, right?
And they're in this crowd.
Let it be known.
And let me be very clear.
If you see a group of Proud Boys, ask them what chapter they're in, right?
And if we have a website, and we've had a website since 2016, it's called Proud Boys USA.com.
You go to where it says chapters, right?
And you go down that chapter list.
If those people that are in front of you aren't saying that they're part of the the local chapter of where you're at, be very careful with them.
Be very careful with them because it might be Antifa, right?
It might be these BLM little thugs, it might be feds, it could be somebody else, but it's definitely not us.
Okay.
In the city of Miami, there's only two chapters in South Florida, there's only two chapters.
I saw what they said, South Florida Proud Boys, yeah, Villain City, which is my chapter, Vice City, which is his chapter, we have Broward, and we have West Palm Beach.
Yeah, and here's the thing, I'll speak to that too.
Because it's a big problem that we have, I'm sorry, to come out.
Yeah.
I spent a lot of time with NBK.
Um I mean, this topic, you know, especially like if anybody knows prison politics, uh, you understand this topic is very difficult, uh, especially if you're white, white boy politics in prison is very, very fierce.
Uh and so you know, I've had to deal with this, like the informant thing, like he's talked about as on a personal level, is as everybody else, and some guys, you know, that's where they cut ties with Enrique, and that's totally fair.
But as an organization, uh, this is something I I got an 18-year sentence for, you know, and I took it on the chin, and before that, I was out on the streets, you know, fighting Antifa, uh, protecting people and being called a terrorist and uh a Nazi for it.
I mean, the fact that you guys got so much time shows that you didn't talk.
Like a lot of things.
People are stupid.
Like the fact that like even me, someone that used to do this job, like you know, not FBI, fuck them.
But like I know I could tell when someone talked.
If you if you're getting 22 years or 18 years, dude, yeah, that you didn't cooperate, clearly.
And you guys went to trial.
You went to trial.
If you go to trial, that means by definition you didn't cooperate.
And not only that, it comes out in trial.
Yeah, right.
Like that that's nice.
I wouldn't have put him in the same room as us if he was cooperating.
Yep.
Um, and if you are cooperating, like you know, we have uh an individual, he was uh he has an interesting beard, one might say we'll say that.
Um I understand, and he got pardoned.
So some of them he testified us for he would testify against the smaller.
Why did you get a pardon, Ethan?
Oh, well, I'll go into that.
My my theory is because Trump does everything.
You got a commutation basically sentence you you can still fight the case, yeah.
Okay, well, my theory is because our case was so rich in Brady violations and and constitutional violations that the Trump administration wants to keep our case open because like I said, if you get pardoned, you're your discovery gets sealed, right?
So they pardoned him because he wasn't there, right?
Sorry, and but they didn't pardon the other uh Proud Boys.
Well, I think uh Dom Dom's good, right?
Dom Dom has not been part of the So it's me, Joe Biggs, and Zachary Real.
If the DOJ throws out their case, they won't need a fucking pardon, right?
Because they'll throw out the city.
Everything is gonna happen.
I think the cases are just gonna get thrown out like they never happened.
But we if the DOJ and the Trump administration still needs evidence to use during this investigation against the DOJ, I believe.
And I think that's something's coming.
That's coming.
Those investigations are not.
So you think on they purposely kept uh the so some of you guys they gave you guys commutations to avoid the case um not being able to have access to discovery for them for their investigation.
Right.
Okay.
And community just so the audience understands basically um time served essentially almost.
Uh you still got a probation officer.
I did.
I did have probation and this it was so severe, the it was so strict, I couldn't even have an Xbox, I couldn't have any online presence.
I I couldn't I couldn't associate with Proud Boys, I couldn't even listen or read news that it it like it got to the point where it's like I couldn't even be in support of the second amendment because I was at advocating for force against the government.
Wow.
And so but in the same day, in the same day I'm talking to my PO and he's like, dude, I don't know what the h hell is.
He is confused like what is it?
He gets a call from his his supervisor while I'm in there taking a piss test.
Yep.
And he's like, Hey, hang on, man.
Uh you're you're good.
You're good.
I'm like, what do you mean I'm good?
I'm uh did I get pardoned?
He's like, No, but you didn't get pardoned, but your your probation is nil as of right now.
And so I'm like, okay, and I just left.
I got out, I got my stuff out of Seattle and moved to freaking Miami because there's also yeah, you get you couldn't carry a gun, like none of that stuff.
Did they restore your second amendment privilege?
Or no, no.
So I I yeah.
I mean, there's taking it one day at a time.
Yeah, I think it's gonna happen.
I think it's gonna happen.
I'm not trying to press it.
Of course I'd like to for all this to get kicked out, and I I know Trump's working hard, he's getting a lot done, and I'm just I'm gonna be patient and wait on his timeline because I know he's doing everything for a reason.
Okay, yeah.
Fair.
Yeah.
And you know, I I'm watching the chat, and there's people calling you a Fed now.
Oh, yeah.
So I mean, this uh and it's it's crazy because some of those some of those same people that are talking I got my I have my indictment tattooed on me for you know, there you go.
Who else does that?
Yeah, man.
Like, I mean, 22 years, 18 years, dude.
You don't get that if you cooperate.
If these people see you in the streets, they're gonna ask for pictures, I promise you.
Oh no, yeah, definitely.
Well, you probably don't want to run into me in the streets if you're calling me a fed.
Some of those people have asked for pictures, but regardless of the thing.
They're brave behind the chat because there's like no name, these guys have no picture.
One of them I think is it says like Oaks Report or something.
He turned into a jailhouse snitch, right?
So, like, even if they didn't snitch outside, they snitched inside.
Right?
So gross.
Like this this whole thing is is they're calling you a snitch now.
That beat is fucking going on.
But this the internet and it's freedom of speech.
And and and I get it.
And I I I actually thank you for having you know it's showing what freedom of speech is.
Because look, when we had that press conference the other day, when these women were screaming at us, I was like, that's this is America.
Yep, right.
It actually makes for good content for real.
Yeah, you know, seeing the other side and being able to talk to them.
It it it it allows us to show how ridiculous the other side is.
Yeah.
So, you know, I think they're appreciated.
And guys like the video.
Uh, I'll read the chats after, um, at the end here, but yeah, I like the video because I didn't want to interrupt the interview because obviously this is this is historic.
This is very important.
Sorry, Pat, go ahead.
No, I was just gonna say that I mean, the the way that everything is going right now, like they're in a death spiral.
The left is in a complete death spiral right now.
And they're just eating themselves, they're becoming more and more clearance.
Yeah, losses like you can't even be read into anything going on with national securities crazy.
Yeah, so I mean I I don't even want to stop them.
Like, just keep keep saying what you're saying, keep doing what you're doing because they're only alienating more people, and they only give us more political capital to actually achieve the reforms in this country that we have to achieve.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
No, man, I mean, uh this is this is crazy.
I'm glad I was able to like talk to you guys and kind of like get your guys' you know take on what's going on here because this is a topic that obviously um, you know, a lot of people on the right are like, this is bullshit, these guys are political prisoners, and you got people on the left that are like, these guys are insurrectionists, or they're tra you know, committing treason against their country.
I and I think and I'm glad that we talked about the Mike Pence angle because that's something that a lot of Americans don't understand.
How um Mike Pence, I would argue is like one of the the problems in this situation where he had an ability, he had a duty to, you know, you don't have to stop what's going on, but at least like slow it down so we can have a proper investigation.
Because dude, people weren't outraged for no reason.
I mean, when the majority of the country thinks that the election wasn't fair.
Come on, man.
I mean, the whole thing really is a big projection.
Like they they accuse us of overflow throwing the US government.
They overthrow the US government.
And you know, they accuse them of having a conspiracy.
They're the ones who had a conspiracy, and all this stuff is gonna get dug out over the coming months and years.
I I have no doubt about that whatsoever.
Yeah.
You know, and I'm hoping, you know, uh Cash Patel and Bon Gino, right?
The one and two over at the FBI, they they helped that agency because obviously, you know, we call them famous but incompetent for a reason, and they've done a lot of stupid shit.
And the fact that they expended almost 50% of the workforce to go after guys from the January 6th event when there's terrorists, organized crime, uh, sex trafficking rings, drugs, etc.
You know, what an agency to fall from Grace Man, you know, it it it's it's fucking terrible.
Absolutely.
Yeah, there's so much shit to like worry about, and they use this as political ponds, of course.
They use this in fundraising campaigns.
They use the five of us in in congressional fundraising campaigns.
They're like, Oh, we're good, you know, this these are the terrorists, and this is what we're gonna fight.
So they used us for that.
They thought they thought that they had it figured out.
They thought that the 2024 election was in the bag, that Trump was down, that Trump was weak.
Try to go after that too.
It's crazy.
He was new guys after him, like play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Yeah, that's all I have to say.
And they did, and they deserve to be in prison.
Yeah, really, those people that did this to us deserve to be able to do that.
Well, everyone left Jack Smith, resigned, Chris Ray left the FBI.
Um, everyone that was I mean, um, I I know that they're launching investigations into the agents in the AUSAs that were instrumental in this stuff, the law firm that was involved helping out Jack Smith that worked pro bono on this shit.
Yeah, um, yesterday signed an executive order against this, so you know the tides are turning, man.
And uh it's it's great to see, like I said, it's it's uh this is preposterous, man.
But um, but uh yeah, guys.
Um I want to get you guys the last word.
Um, you know, what are your guys' final thoughts on it?
You know, where can the people find you, etc.?
We can start whoever wants to go first.
Go ahead.
Um, you know, our biggest thing right now is just how do we move forward on a on a good foot?
And uh I think for me is uh I I focus a lot on the other guys that I that I met.
Uh we have this thing called the Lost Boys, it's something that I kind of created while I was in prison with other January Sixers, just really phenomenal, courageous individuals.
I didn't get to meet all the January Sixers, but the ones that really stood out to me.
Uh we started this group called The Lost Boys, you're gonna be seeing more of that too, and and and a lot more of their voice, their stories.
It's really, really awesome.
Uh, we also starting this project called the Proud Coin that we're gonna be allocating to January Sixers to help relief because uh, for example, one of our buddies, Billy Cressman, um, he's he's got a custody battle right now for his 10-year-old daughter.
He's got after you just pay brutal he's just he's got no money, no no extra car, so he's just trying to get an extra car right now, and that kind of broke my heart here and that.
But we're there's just there's just uh uh handfuls of people like that in this.
So that we're we're really just starting to try and start projects to encourage about entrepreneurship, uh, the the future with crypto and investment.
I think that's really big.
I think that's really important that people start to see that.
I think Trump is gonna be huge into crypto as well.
Oh, yeah.
Um sorry, what was it?
Oh yeah.
Uh you go ahead and plug that one.
All right, I can't see it real.
Yeah.
Um, what I can do is should do we got a lot of devs or glasses.
I know some of them have questions and stuff.
I'll put them on a you'll put them what?
I'll put them on you good?
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
Um, so I mean, I don't know what the feature holds for me.
You know, I want to get all like the emotional business ideas out, you know, because when you're in there, all you have to do, all you have is time to think.
Yeah.
So I kind of wanted I just want to have some time to myself and then kind of just like a month, right?
Setting my chi.
Yeah.
Right.
And kind of figure out what the path forward is.
Right now, for me, the most important thing is uh my guys here locally, you know.
Um, before I'm sorry, before that is my God, my family, right?
And then like my guys here locally, the J Sixers, all the J6ers.
Um also with the Proud Coin Project, what what we're trying to do is also give, you know, it's a it's a coin that that I want to give education to the J6ers too about crypto and how how the currency, how the currencies work, how you trade, how you make a wallet and things like that.
So it's also about education.
Um but again, I'm focused on my stuff here locally.
Um, And trying to get like my my bearing up do I go back into the security business?
Do I go back into the contracting business?
Do I get into we're going to start our podcast here soon enough?
Do we get back into podcasting?
When are you guys going to drop in what's it called?
It's well it was called The War Boys.
We did have a podcast before.
It was called The War Boys.
So it was me, Ethan, and uh Joe Biggs.
Okay.
Right.
Um which was a contributor to InfoWars.
Yep.
Um so uh that's going to be dropping soon.
We're building the studio out right now and we're just getting we're trying to pick a a a good platform.
Are you guys going to do it uh here in Miami in Miami Tropical Park.
I live I literally could probably look outside that window and see my house.
So that's how close I live.
If you guys drop it let me know we'll we'll help you guys promote it.
Okay.
Awesome.
Thank you so much.
And, you know, just follow me on Twitter.
Noble one, guys.
Noble one.
I got all their Twitters below, by the way, guys.
Pat, Ethan, and Enrique.
All their Twitters are going to be below.
Give them a follow.
All right.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me.
No, of course, dude.
Of course.
When you guys drop your podcast, make sure to let me know, and I'll definitely put it out there for the people.
Appreciate it.
Pat?
Like with all J6ers, I'm in the process of rebuilding my life, rebuilding my business.
I mean, taking them to trial, the lost income.
I mean, I still was able to for three years, like run my business.
But, you know, you got when you got jailed.
on your horizon a lot of people aren't necessarily gonna work with you for coaching services.
amazing response from that so um it's kind of like a combination of like prison stories J6 stories all that stuff so at any rate that's that's kind of where things are going for me.
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