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March 20, 2023 - MyronGainesX

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Fed Explains Murdaugh Murder Case STEP BY STEP w/Time Stamps! (Most Organized Breakdown)

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	And we are live.
	What's up, guys?
	Welcome to FedEt.
	I am back, man.
	I'm here with a special guest.
	Well, not really that special.
	You guys were used to her at this point.
	But today we're gonna be covering the Murdoch murders, guys.
	I know you guys been waiting for this one for a long time.
	You guys have been asking for it for a long time.
	So let's get into it.
	I was a special agent with homeland investigations.
	Okay, guys, HSI.
	The cases that I did mostly were human smuggling and drug traffic.
	No one else has these documents by the way.
	Here's what FedEx covers.
	Dr. LaFredo confirmed lacerations due to stepping on glass murder investigation.
	And he's positioning.
	We are facing two counts of the team.
	Racketeering and Rico conspiracy.
	Young slime life here and after referred to as YSL to the sentence.
	And then this is Billy Seiko right here.
	Now, when they first started, guys, 6ix9ine ran with the.
	I'm a fed.
	I'm watching this music video.
	You know, I'm Bobbin Mahela.
	Hey, this shit lit.
	But at the same time, I'm pausing.
	Oh, wait, who this?
	Right?
	Oh, who's that in the back?
	Firearms and browsers.
	AKA who should I keep violated.
	What are we staying away from the Zapper Two guys to be arrested after shooting at Kingston?
	One person.
	This is the one that that's gonna fuck him up because this gun is not traceable.
	Well it happened at the gun range.
	Here's your boy 42 Dog right here on the left.
	Okay.
	Sex trafficking and sex cries.
	They can effectively link him to paying an underage girl.
	I'm gonna look like 50 right, right?
	The first bomb went off right here.
	That's how seconds explode.
	Inspired by Al Qaeda.
	Two terrorists, brothers, the Zokar, Sarnev, and Tamar landed Sarnev when the cartel shipped drugs into the country.
	This guy got arrested for um espionage.
	Okay, trading secrets with the Russians for monetary compensation.
	The largest corrupt police bus in New Orleans.
	So he was in this bad boy.
	We're going to go over his past, the gang time, so that this all makes sense.
	We're going to go over his past.
	Alright, we are back, guys.
	First live show in a while, man.
	And I'm happy to be back.
	Dom the monkey.
	Okay, I see you guys in the chat saying uh stop giving a Sudanese stick, blah blah blah.
	Guys, uh, you gotta understand that Angie works right before the show, so she came a little bit later than expected.
	So we still had to gather her stuff and make sure everything was you know good to go.
	But yeah, uh, you know, hey, you know what, Angie?
	Introduce yourself to the people for those that may be new.
	Hi guys.
	Um, yeah, my name is Angelika, but most of you can pronounce it well, so yeah, it's Angie for y'all.
	And I'll be helping my away cases.
	Um until he says, like, yeah, get the fuck out of here and put your shoes out of side.
	Basically, so um, yeah, I mean, it's been a while, it's been a week since he left from uh to Dubai, and now he's here and almost two weeks, right?
	Since we filmed last time, yeah.
	I was oh yeah.
	Well, uh because we filmed a bunch of content for them, but before I left.
	Yes.
	I think this is so we had like the Hezbollah and the terrorist um what is it, group?
	Yeah, terrorist group.
	Yeah, first terror uh the first successful prosecution in the United States for a terrorism case.
	Well, so uh the BMF highly requested for you guys.
	Yes, finally we made it.
	Yeah, seriously.
	That one that one uh took a while to find because the documentary on that one, guys, took a while, so we had to find an HD because the ones that were on YouTube were trash.
	But shout out yeah to the supporter that sent it to me in HD so that we were able to react to it.
	Um I really thought that documentary was good.
	I remember watching it like 10 years ago, and I was like, man, the audience is gonna love that one.
	Yeah, um, you wanted to do the 50 same one because he's run you and maybe I mean Oh, yeah, we would get a copyright immediately.
	Yeah, if we tried to do that.
	And it's more like entertainment, it's not as factually based as the documentary is.
	So Yeah.
	Oh, so um, shout out to every of you.
	This is the thing though.
	You drop the BMF first, and then you drop his bula, and then the Hisbullah video because it's what's pre-recorded.
	Oh, yeah.
	You were asking for the BMF.
	Yeah, so they got confused.
	So loads of people were like sending like offering to send it to you, which was like well, I'm gonna go.
	Okay, I appreciate that guys.
	Thank you so much.
	But yeah, we we dropped the BMF one first because um because you guys were asking for it.
	You guys wanted the BMF one bad, so I said, you know what?
	Let me drop that one first, and we'll do the Hezbollah one after.
	So yeah.
	So yeah, thank you guys for like your support and everything.
	Uh thank for everyone that is has been saying me like requests on Instagram.
	I got a lot of people, like seriously, guys.
	I separated already, like YouTube requests, inland list and like Instagram requests on another list.
	So I have now two lists that we we basically need to cover.
	And I have, of course, highlighted the ones that are like the most of the most what are the most requested.
	Yeah, I can mention that I know.
	Yes, I told you.
	I told you it's long.
	I wanted you to tell me which ones you have done already.
	But um so far I have uh Brian Kork Koberger that you already did.
	Okay, yeah.
	I did I did the Coburger case, guys.
	If you guys want I go into detail on that one too, so go check that one out.
	So yeah, guys, um, I advise you to check the whole channel.
	Um so to see if like the cases that you want to to cut we want us to cover it, they are not already there because Myron has covered many cases already.
	So yeah, do that.
	And yeah, but like the most requested ones right now are the Atlanta Child Murders.
	I told you there is a documentary on the what children's Atlanta Child Murders.
	Atlanta child murders.
	Yes okay, that's a new one.
	I haven't heard that one.
	Okay.
	It it's an I have I haven't mentioned to you before, but yeah, it's on Netflix.
	It's there's a whole documentary on Netflix and it's a huge case.
	Okay.
	Um the West Memphis 3.
	Remember, we read it last time we were here?
	West Memphis.
	Three kids that was West Memphis, yes, yes, yes, yes.
	That's crazy.
	That's yeah, the child murderers, yes.
	Yes.
	Uh I have Joan Dolph.
	Okay, yeah, young Dolph, yeah.
	It's highly requested.
	Yeah.
	Uh Aaron Hernandez.
	Okay, yep.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	John Bennett Ramsey, of course.
	Okay, we might do that one tonight for you guys.
	Yes.
	Uh, I have Ed Gain.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Uh the one that we're doing tonight, which is the Mordor Murders.
	Um, I have the baseline killer.
	Remember, I told you about that one.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I think it's from Arizona.
	Uh Edmund Kemper, Debbie Beckowitz, uh, and also there's there are a lot of people asking, like, um, if we are gonna cover cases from outside the US.
	I talked to Myron about it, and he said yes.
	So, of course, like the requests are open for like any cases that you want us to cover.
	Uh, right now the most requested one from Canada is Robert Picton.
	Um, that's that's like their Jeffrey.
	That's like their Ted Bundy, if I'm not mistaken.
	Yes, the most prolific this the most prolific serial killer in Canada.
	Yeah, okay.
	So we might we might cover that one.
	And also the Italian mafia.
	Yes, the okay, because I get asked about the mafia literally every day.
	Guys, yes.
	The Italian mafia is probably one of the most complex criminal organizations in US history.
	You gotta understand there's layers to it and there's different crime families, especially if we're gonna talk about the five crime families in New York City.
	I'm very well aware of all the crime families and how each organization worked.
	I mean, hell, I even talked I touched on it with uh the Whitey Bulger case as well.
	Uh it goes into Massachusetts into Rhode Island into California, Las Vegas, etc.
	So for me to properly cover the mafia, it's going to be a series, okay.
	And when I say series, it's gonna be similar to what I did for 9-11.
	Is y'all remember?
	When 9-11 I did damn near six or seven episodes, one of them got taken down, which I'm gonna put back up for you guys eventually.
	But the point is is that it's going to have to be a series, which means it's gonna probably take me one to two months to do La Cosa Nostra the whole way through, where you guys are able to get everything um and understand everything.
	And I also gotta figure out which videos that I'm gonna use, which ones I'm not gonna use, which ones are gonna be live, which one are gonna be pre-recorded.
	I'm probably gonna have to pre-record all of them to be honest with y'all, because to use certain documentaries, they're gonna be lame on it, uh, with you know, uh copyright and all the other stuff.
	So um it's difficult to live stream that stuff.
	So I just gotta figure out how I'm gonna do it, which documents I'm gonna use, but I've already established that this is gonna take easily four to eight weeks to do uh the Italian mafia.
	Uh it's coming.
	Yeah, I promise y'all it's coming.
	Uh I've already started preparing for it um to a degree, but if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna make sure I do it right, just like with 9-11.
	I gave y'all the official story, right?
	That's in a 9-11 commission.
	I went over the FBI investigation in detail.
	I went over how the CIA found bin Laden.
	I went over how the SEAL stormed the house, and I also went over the conspiracy theories of you know, was it inside job, etc.
	And there's another part of 9-11 involved with them boys, which I'm gonna talk about with Ryan Dawson, okay.
	Uh, there's a reason why a lot of these conspiracy theorists didn't talk about that certain connection, if you know what I'm saying, with them boys.
	I'm not even gonna say it because we're on YouTube, but that's gonna probably be rumble only for sure.
	Okay.
	Some of y'all in the chat know what I'm talking about.
	Angie knows what I'm talking about.
	Um, but yeah, guys.
	Uh so if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it all the way thorough, just like I did 9-11, okay?
	Unbiased from all perspectives.
	Uh Angie, anything you want to say before we get into this one?
	Um, I also have more cases, of course.
	Uh, and also people have been asking non-stop what them boys mean.
	So can you break it down without being no?
	I can't say it here on YouTube.
	I I can't like you can describe it, man.
	Like you can like say a joke.
	Say a joke, yeah.
	I'm trying to think of a joke that I'm not gonna say that won't give it away.
	I'm gonna use something to give away to people to guess.
	I think the guys in the chat know what I'm talking about.
	Let's see here if anyone in the chat says uh people don't know.
	No, looking at the chat.
	Most people, but there are a lot of people that don't know.
	I didn't know until you told me.
	Hey man.
	Oh, actually, actually, Myron didn't tell me.
	Yeah, you you figured it out, right?
	My just pointed at them like those are the boys.
	Yeah, man.
	Uh uh.
	Some people I see them chat.
	Yeah, the chat already knows what time it is.
	The chat already knows what time it is.
	All right.
	And you and and the thing is is that there was a significant involvement from them boys when 9-11, and um, we're definitely gonna talk about that with Ryan Dawson, okay?
	That's gonna be rumble only.
	It's not gonna touch YouTube.
	I'm not you can't even say nothing about them boys if you know what I'm saying.
	So, anyway, uh what are you gonna say?
	Yeah, there the rest of the cases are uh real quick here, River Park Towers.
	Uh-huh.
	It's an Eric indicatment on D Tang.
	So, yeah, that's another highly requested D tag.
	I got you guys.
	Uh, I already mentioned Gabriel Fernandez, I think.
	I don't know, Gabriel Fernandez murder.
	Uh, yeah, the Itali Mafia.
	And yeah, that's it.
	Cool.
	All right.
	And and the 9-11 one, just so y'all know, that's probably gonna be on Fresh and Fit with Ryan Dawson.
	Um, and we're also gonna do the Iraq wars.
	You guys know it's been 20 years uh since the Iraqi war.
	We invaded Iraq back in 2003, uh, March 20th to be exact.
	So tomorrow is gonna be the uh 20th anniversary, man.
	So we're gonna definitely cover that as well with Ryan Dawson.
	I'm really excited to do that um with him.
	Uh but anyway, um, I I think we'll without further ado, we got almost a thousand of you guys in here.
	So do me a quick favor, go ahead, like the video, subscribe to the channel.
	We're gonna cover the Murdoch case for today, guys.
	Okay, so um what I'm gonna do, guys, because um I'm gonna put detailed timestamps by the way for this case in the description for the uh for this breakdown, because I ain't gonna lie to y'all.
	When I was researching this case, it was very annoying how disconjointed people were that covered this case.
	Like one video gives you this, another video gives you that.
	No one has everything in one place.
	Not even Netflix.
	Yeah, not even Netflix.
	Yeah, I watched the whole documentary and disconjointed everywhere.
	Like no one goes systematically through it.
	So, what we're gonna do on this podcast, guys, is we're gonna go through everything.
	For this to make sense, we're gonna have to go through the Murdoch family.
	We're gonna have to go through their legacy, we're gonna have to go through the boating accident, we're gonna have to go through stealing of the money, we're gonna have to go through the fake suicide attempt or slash uh murder attempt.
	We're gonna have to go through the 9-1-1 call, the trial, the lies, everything for this to make sense, because no one on YouTube for some odd reason can organize everything and put it in one-stop shop with time stamps so people can quickly go and find whatever they want pertaining to this case, and this fucking podcast is gonna do that.
	We're gonna go ahead and get that done for y'all.
	So if y'all are watching live, well, sucks for you because you won't be able to skip around.
	But but when this thing is done, you guys will have one video to go to that covers this case in its entirety that makes sense of everything.
	All right.
	So uh anything you want to say before we get into it?
	Just right before you guys, I I see you putting requests on the chat, live chat.
	Um, I will ask you to put on the comments at the end of like at the end of the video, or just comments, like regular comments, because that's easier for me to keep track on this on their requests.
	Like on the chat, I'm not sometimes I'm just talking here or I'm watching the videos and I cannot see it.
	So I might miss them.
	So if you guys can like comment and on the way, like the video.
	So yeah, you can do that.
	Thank you.
	All right, that's it.
	Okay, without further ado, let's get right into it, guys.
	All right.
	So who are the Murdoz?
	Okay, the Murdoch family is a prominent uh is prominent in the low country region of South Carolina, three generations named Randolph Murdoff, served consecutively as circus solicitor, the elected prosecuting attorney.
	Guys, a circuit solicitor in uh South Carolina is just basically another term for uh ADA, assistant district attorney or prosecutor, okay, on the state level, not to be confused with an assistant uh United States attorney, aka a federal prosecutor.
	I've broken this down for y'all before.
	There's state uh law enforcement, then there's federal law enforcement.
	They were running state law enforcement known as circuit solicitors, which I know is strange.
	I think South Carolina uses this term, which is a little weird, but it's nothing more than a state prosecutor for state crime.
	So they investigate, you know, everything from your low-level DUIs all the way up to murder, okay.
	Uh okay.
	Uh Randolph Murdoch served consecutively as circuit solicitor, the elected prosecuting attorney for the state's 14th judicial district between 1920 and 2006.
	The family status led locals to call the five county district Murdoch Country.
	Randolph Murdoch Sr.
	Randolph Murdoch Sr. founded the civil litigation firm that is now the Parker Law Group LLP in 1910 in Hampton, South Carolina, which now specializes in perfect personal injury litigation.
	Richard Alex Murdoch and other members of the Murdoch family have been the subject of investigations involving wrongful death, murder, corruption, fraud, witness intimidation, theft, and drug and alcohol related charges.
	2019, Alex's son Paul Murdoch and some of his close friends were implicated in a fatal voting accident.
	Okay, which we're gonna talk about that as well because this all plays into it.
	But before we do, let's go.
	And this is the Murdoch family.
	Uh, as you guys can see, here's Alex Murdoch right here.
	Here's um Paul Murdoh, okay, and here is the wife, okay?
	Maggie.
	Maggie.
	These two were murdered by him.
	Okay.
	Alex Murdoch, the father, killed these two.
	Now you guys might be wondering.
	Wait, hold on.
	Why the hell would a father, you know, with a huge family legacy, money, etc., multimillionaire successful, kill his family.
	Well, for you to understand this, we're gonna go through the family history and then into what led to his downward spiral.
	But to understand the future or the present, it's important to know the past.
	The Murdochs are a powerful low country family.
	For more than 85 years, a Murdoch has served as the 14th Circuit solicitor.
	The reign began in 1920 with Randolph Murdoch Sr. and ended in 2005 when Randolph Randy Murdoch III retired.
	Between 1940 and 1986, Randolph Buster Murdoch Jr. served as solicitor after his father's death, making him the longest serving solicitor in U.S. history at that time.
	Randy continues to work as a part-time solicitor for the office, and his son Richard Alex Alexander Murdoch works as a volunteer prosecutor in the circuit.
	In South Carolina, a circuit solicitor is comparable to that of a state or district attorney in other jurisdictions.
	The 14th Circuit Solicitor's Office covers five counties in the Lowcountry: Allendale, Beaufort, Colleton, Hampton, and Jasper.
	And prosecutes 5,000 cases per year, ranging from misdemeanors to serious crimes such as murder and sexual assault.
	The Murdoch family has also practiced law in Hampton County for more than a century.
	Randolph Sr. founded the family firm in 1910 and practiced civil law until he was tragically killed by a train in 1940.
	Like his father, Buster worked at the Hampton law firm until his retirement in 1987.
	He was known across the state for his booming voice, courtroom prowess, and sending 14 men to death row.
	All right.
	So as y'all can see, these guys had a tight grip on this area of South Carolina, and it had been going on for decades, okay?
	And having your claws deep in the entire law enforcement/slash prosecution world is a very powerful thing to have in your corner, okay?
	Which is going to set the stage for the ridiculousness that's about to come after this.
	The Murdoch family legacy of law continues with Buster's son and grandchildren.
	Three Murdochs, Randy and sons Randolph the Fourth and Alex are practicing attorneys at the firm.
	And one of their sons is currently attending law school.
	The firm, Peters Murdoch, Parker, Eltsroth, and Dietrich, which now includes offices in three counties.
	Pimped.
	Oh, Lord.
	If y'all caught that, if you see it, you see it.
	You know what I'm saying?
	P-I-M without the eye.
	And yes, this is live live, guys.
	Counties is known for winning multimillion dollar settlements for clients, mostly in lawsuits related to serious injuries and wrongful deaths.
	The firm's expansion has only increased the legal power and influence of the Murdochs in South Carolina.
	And they made a lot of money, guys, from suing railroad companies all across South Carolina.
	That's a big part of how they made so much money.
	A legacy that began more than a hundred years ago.
	All right, cool.
	So now y'all understand the history.
	Now we're gonna fast forward to 2019.
	With the death of Mallory Beach, okay, at approximately 2 20 a.m. on February 24, 2019, Paul Terry Murdoch, okay.
	This guy here, remember, right here.
	Okay.
	The son, okay, crashed his family boat into the Archers Creek Bridge in Beaufort, South Carolina, on board the boat at the time of the accident where Mallory Beach and several other teenagers.
	Peach was killed in an accident, and Murdoch was charged in relation to the accident.
	Paul's murder along with his uh mother in 2021, and we're gonna talk about that as well, allegedly by his father, or convicted by now by his father.
	So here is the background on the boat crash.
	Okay, guys, back in 2019.
	48 hours has new details about one of the tragic deaths connected to the family of prominent South Carolina lawyer, Alex Murdoch, 19 year old Mallory Beach was killed in a boating accident in 2019 on Murdoch's boat.
	Murdoch's son Paul was allegedly driving it.
	Beach's family has been silent on the accident.
	Yeah, driving it drunk, aka boom book.
	Until now, for this week's 48 hours, Nikki Petis spoke with Beach's aunt and a first responder who was at the scene of the crash.
	We're in a boat crash on Archer Street.
	On February 24th, 2019, six young friends were out partying on the Beaufort River on the city.
	There's your boy right here.
	And then this is the girl that ended up getting killed, Mallory.
	This guy right here in the blue shirt is the one who called 911 that you guys are hearing right now.
	This is the victim, and here is Paul Murdoch, as you guys could tell from his uh bright red hair, very easy to uh distinguish.
	On a boat owned by the Murdoch family when they crashed on board was Alex Murdoch's 19-year-old son Paul.
	What bridge is Paul?
	What bridge is it?
	Anthony Cook was there with his 19-year-old girlfriend Mallory Beach, Mallory's aunt Lynn Revis.
	The last thing she told me was she loved.
	Just hours before the crash, surveillance cameras captured Paul Murdoch using his brother's ID to buy beer.
	You stupid.
	He's holding the beer up.
	He's celebrating.
	Bro.
	Stop it.
	It's his brother.
	Yeah, his brother's buster.
	Who's older?
	Yeah.
	Michael DeWitt, editor of the Hampton County Guardian, says later, Paul and a friend were seen drinking at a bar on the river.
	Pounded a couple of shots, got back in the boat.
	It was kind of a sad moment when you see Matt.
	And there he is right here.
	This is a guy that called 9011.
	And also, I want to let y'all know that Paul is an alcoholic, guys.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All he did was rage and party.
	This is something that he did all the time.
	Obviously, this is a rich kid from South Carolina.
	Uh, his family is well known everywhere.
	Um, he doesn't really deal with consequences for his actions, which you guys are gonna see here later on.
	And he grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth.
	And it shows in his actions.
	Go ahead.
	He is the perfect example of a nice boy brat.
	Yes, 100%.
	If if trust fund baby was uh a term, he is the definition of it.
	You know, not only does he have the money, but his family has the status and the power in this part of South Carolina.
	Mallory, I think it's the last moment that anybody captured an image of her alive.
	About an hour later, the boat slammed into a bridge piling.
	That's when Mallory disappeared.
	There's six of us and one is missing.
	Then Buford County Deputy Sheriff Steven Domino was one of the first on the scene.
	Anthony Cook told him he saw Paul Murdoch driving the boat just before Damn and y'all can see the blood here, right?
	Uh so that tells you right there that this was a pr he was probably driving that thing fast to get that kind of uh yeah yeah that kind of result the crash.
	We all know Alec Murdoch.
	Oh yeah, that's his son.
	See, look at him.
	Y'all know Alec Murray, he's all drunk and shit, slurred his stuff.
	That's his son.
	So obviously the the deputy knows who he is, the kid knows he who he is.
	Hey, that tells you all you gotta know.
	Good luck.
	Nearly good luck.
	Two months after the boat crash, Paul was charged with causing the death of Mallory Beach.
	He pleaded not guilty, but the case will never go to trial on June 7th, 2021.
	Alex Murdoch called police and said he'd found Paul and his wife Maggie shot dead on one of their properties.
	Maggie and Paul.
	Wait, Nikki Batisse.
	This is all over the place.
	This case.
	Our investigators saying if the boat crash is in fact related to the double murder or connected in any way.
	So the investigation.
	Hold on, do you have some?
	Go ahead.
	I mean, they don't mention a lot of stuff.
	Well, we're gonna we're gonna what what do you what do you mean?
	What did they not mention?
	Well, Paul actually the boat crash, Paul tried to blame his friend, the other guy that was drinking with him.
	Oh, uh the boyfriend?
	No, no, no.
	They there were three cops, so there is his thing.
	Okay, go ahead.
	And it's on all the next list documentary, which is like very dramatic.
	If you guys like drama, you can go watch it.
	Um so there were three couples, right?
	And they were all together.
	So Paul, his girlfriend, yeah, the guy uh the their girl, Mallory, so Anthony and Mallory, and there was another couple, yeah.
	Which was his name was Connor.
	Connor was trying, so where the accident happened, Paul was driving because he uh he wouldn't let anyone else drive the boat.
	Yeah, so um this guy Connor, um, he was uh uh he drank, of course, but he was okay.
	So he was trying to grab the wheel, but Paul wouldn't let him.
	Yeah, so that's what he said.
	He kept saying, This is my father's boat, I'm not letting y'all drive, and none of you guys touch this boat.
	Yeah, yes, exactly.
	So when the the crash uh the when the crash happened, he tried to blame his friend.
	So he said that he was the one driving all the time.
	So this is very Paul said uh he tried to blame it on Connor, even though Connor couldn't get a hold of the screen.
	Because the thing is that when this guy Anthony called the police, Paul was trying to call his dad.
	So his dad will do like the whole thing of like you know, covering the case.
	Yeah, so what he said was like, you dude, this guy was driving the boat, yeah, and he crossed it.
	I think his grandfather ended up coming up to the ER and telling him to shut up.
	Both bottles.
	Yes, Alex and and the and Ramdolf, which is the grandfather.
	Okay.
	So yeah, they they all tried to blame this guy, Connor.
	Okay.
	So what happened, which is I don't see why they don't mention this in here.
	Uh Alex Murdoch tried to cover to cover the whole thing, saying that he they would represent all the kids in trial uh if they blame Connor.
	You know, not if they blame Connor, they didn't mention like blame Connor, but like, you know, I represent you, don't say anything.
	They said they also they is like, don't say anything, you know.
	Okay.
	So they were trying to basically bribe them with free uh representation.
	Yes, like, hey, we're all gonna, you know, it's Connor that was driving it.
	My son is a responsible.
	I'll represent y'all, and we'll go ahead and present uh a story that implicates Connor as the driver.
	But the six fucks like even called the the Connor's parents, Alex Murdoch called Connor's friends who were like, yo, we know what you're like they didn't say like you we know what your son did, but like they were like, we're gonna represent Connor no matter what happens, uh when any cost, like I mean, these guys were trying to find Mallory, and they were just worried about Paul the whole time.
	Like it's crazy, it's crazy.
	Did they ever recover the body?
	No, right?
	Yes, oh they did a d eight days after they found her dead.
	God damn.
	Five miles away from from the crash, like the the crime scene.
	Her body floated probably uh in the river for a few days.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	All right.
	No, good.
	Uh good stuff.
	A good addition there.
	Um I knew that he had been, he didn't want anyone else to touch the boat because he was like, I'm not this money, boom.
	No, then you can you guys touch it.
	But I didn't know that the Alex went to that extent.
	Yeah.
	To cover it up.
	I knew that they showed up at the ER and they were um telling them don't say anything to the police.
	And Paul was drunk as hell.
	He was more concerned with like uh partying again.
	He was flirting with the Northes.
	Yeah, he was flirting with the nurses too.
	Yes.
	Yeah, guys.
	This is privilege on another level.
	Who was flirting with the nurses?
	Meanwhile, they couldn't find Mallory or what was going on with her.
	And then after he got discharged and he got charged, he was back to partying.
	Like it was crazy, bro.
	Wild.
	Yes.
	Um throwing ragers.
	The other thing that they that the way they uh crashed this guy, like they should take this guy.
	It wasn't the one that was right me, is because he broke his jaw in the accident.
	Yeah.
	And from the you know, like circumstantial evidence, like from the position that he broke his jaw, it wouldn't be possible for him to drive the bowl.
	Okay, okay.
	So basically, yeah, so so they tried to pin it on Connor, who right?
	And but the thing is is that his injuries were not indicative of him being behind the steering wheel.
	Yes.
	So there's no way that he could have been driving based on his injuries.
	Yeah, thank you for understanding.
	Yeah, no worries.
	I got you.
	No one's struggling.
	Yeah, I got you.
	Uh English is their second language, guys.
	Yes.
	Uh all right.
	So let's continue on here with with this.
	Uh good, good, good point points there.
	Theaters are staying staying really tight-lipped about a motive, a suspect, but Alex Murdoch's attorneys have admitted that he is a person of interest in the double murders.
	But I spent a lot of time in South Carolina.
	I talked to a lot of locals.
	There is speculation that this double murder might be revenge for the boat crash.
	But here's what's so crazy about this case.
	There are six investigations going right going on.
	Hold on.
	Six investigations?
	What?
	What the fuck?
	And don't worry, guys, we're gonna cover some of them here.
	All around the Murdoch family.
	We've got the boat crash, a double murder, the death of another teenage boy, a suicide scheme, missing money from a law firm, and the death of the Murdoch family housekeeper a few years ago.
	What does the family think?
	Mallory's family?
	Yeah.
	Mallory's family in a civil lawsuit very clearly says they believe Paul Murdoch was driving the boat that he was drunk, it crashed their beautiful daughter died.
	He I cannot wait to watch this one.
	So many turns.
	You can watch Nikki's report, the Murdoch uh Mysteries.
	Let's get that out there.
	All right.
	So now y'all know, right?
	This is like one of the first like major or one of the early events in the Murdoch timeline, right?
	Now we're gonna get into Murdoch stealing money from the law firm prior to the murders.
	Okay, guys.
	Um, and this woman right here was the CFO that was able to ID it and confront him.
	We're not gonna play the entire video, but we're gonna play the initial portion.
	Uh she has a little bit of a weird lisp, guys.
	Yeah, so the next um yeah, yeah, that's all I'll say.
	Let's go ahead and rule the clip.
	This is actually a check that was payable to Barr Ben Barrett Bulware from Southern Fidelity Insurance.
	And Elic actually endorsed that check.
	He had the power of attorney on that file.
	He actually endorsed that check, and later we were able to trace it into his personal accounts.
	All right.
	So they basically were able to trace it back that he took money from the firm from clients that he was not supposed to take and put it into his personal account to fuel, which you guys are gonna find out later, his drug addiction.
	Going down, the majority of these are forged payment.
	If you get to Dion Martin, the first line says I'm sorry to interrupt you.
	Just going across there.
	We've got the client, we've got the civil action number, we've got the category that you were just describing.
	We got the date, the trust was funded, and then we have the amount.
	That's right.
	And the date the trust was funded.
	What is that category first?
	That refers to when we found out and did the deep dive into exactly what had happened on each file, and deposited the money back immediately into our client trust.
	So that's the firm actually, as we found these, put money in client trust.
	We then met with all the clients, re-established what the correct disbursements should have been, and returned all funds to the clients.
	So the firm had to pay guys.
	so let's get this straight.
	They have to meet with their clients, tell them, hey, just so y'all know your money's been stolen, but we're gonna go ahead and pay y'all back.
	And let's see how they actually came up with the money to pay them back.
	The money back that you've determined in each one of these cases that Alec Murdoch misappropriated through the fake forge on this list.
	did And this is the prosecutor right here, guys, top right.
	Obviously, this is Alec Murdoch right here.
	And then here is the CFO who is on the witness stand testifying.
	And this is from the trial in South Carolina.
	Thank you.
	What's the uh total amount on this sheet?
	2,841,512 and 55 cents.
	Boom muka.
	All right, and again, does this represent everything or just a particular category?
	Just a particular category.
	What?
	Bro, yo, my man was embezzling all kinds of money, bro.
	He was just robbing them blind.
	2.8, and that was just in like one instance.
	Just real quick, I see that says 129.11 for Thomas Moore.
	Is that supposed to be 21?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And that would be the date and the check number of the check that was taken.
	I'm gonna hand it 314 up to you.
	And if you could correct that with my pen here and then just put your initials next to it, please.
	When back to exhibit 314, if we look at all the check dates on here, we have the earliest one being about August of 2015.
	Is that correct?
	That's right, and then it continues all the way up to early 2021.
	Is that correct?
	That's correct.
	And how he was probably getting away with this, guys, was he was just siphoning money right at different periods, so it wouldn't be too noticeable.
	Obviously, he didn't take all that 2.8 million at one time, he was taking money slowly, right, but surely over a long duration of time, so it would not be too visible to the accountants running the books.
	Clears
	Murdoch's kind of like, damn, this is a L for me, bro.
	They they got that money part, and you guys might be wondering why are they bringing up money in a murder trial, right?
	It's a completely different crime.
	Aren't you supposed to be um tried for the crime that you're actually being accused of?
	Well, the reason why, guys, is because the prosecution is trying to frame it where he killed his family, okay, because he had a bunch of issues and his life was spiraling out of control.
	And about three days prior, right?
	Uh excuse me, three days after the murders, he was scheduled for a hearing where he was supposed to face these issues in a civil court with the money that he had stolen.
	Okay.
	So the prosecution theorized that these murders were a part of buying himself some time because obviously, as soon as these murders happened, right in the beginning stages before he was named a suspect, everything was canceled.
	He was put in the victim uh category, and people didn't really press him like that anymore, you know, between his drug addiction, stealing money, uh other things that he had done, other criminal activity that he had Done stealing money from the firm, steal money from clients, steal money from friends, etc.
	So it kind of took pressure off him for a good amount of time because everyone was like, yo, he just lost his family, uh, they had been brutally murdered, etc.
	So they canceled everything.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Fast forward this a little bit.
	Yes, we have.
	And these are from the records and your investigation into the records at the firm.
	That's correct.
	And each one of these has the firm had to make the clients whole because of the defendant's misappropriation.
	We did.
	All right.
	I'm going to show you what's been marked as 315.
	And this is uh particular case is a lease mallory.
	And just as an example, and see if you recognize that document.
	And do this first document is the um disbursement which would have been drafted at the end of the case that states the recovery expenses, fees, and payments to clients.
	Um, next we have this one actually had a payment to forge, so I have a copy of that cancel check, and then the third and fourth pages are where we did our correcting disbursements with footnotes about what had happened and explained everything to our clients when we reimbursed them.
	Okay.
	Let's uh put that up on the screen real quick.
	Are there similar documents supporting documents for each one of these transactions that's on your spreadsheet?
	There is.
	All right.
	So this is a disbursement sheet, is that right?
	That's correct.
	And I didn't have he was addicted to oxies, by the way, guys.
	So disbursement sheet just shows at the conclusion of a case once the recovery, it will show the recovery amount, list out the fees that were sent to the attorneys, um, shows fee splits if there's multiple attorneys, shows the amount of expenses we collect back, any liens or loans that were payable that were in the scope of that case, and then final amount would be the payment to the client or the client's beneficiaries if they had beneficiaries.
	All right, and then down here at the bottom.
	Well, guys, he didn't um uh he didn't spend two million plus on just drugs.
	I mean, he you gotta remember that they lived a very uh luxurious lifestyle, you know.
	They had multiple homes, big mansions, boats, um, luxurious items, a bunch of liabilities if we want to keep it a thousand with y'all.
	So um, and at the time he was kind of a disgraced attorney, so he wasn't probably making enough money to keep up with his lifestyle, okay.
	And anytime that happens, well, you end up keeping up with the Joneses, and you're gonna have to you might you either got to get the money, you know, legally or in this case, illegally, and that's what he was doing.
	And also he had his drug habit, he had to pay for his son's uh defense counsel with the boating accident.
	He had uh people suing him.
	Uh his life was spiraling out of control, guys.
	So people do desperate things, uh, desperate measures, desperate times require desperate measures sometimes, and this is the the greatest extent to desperate measures.
	Stealing money from his own law firm.
	Particular one, you recognize that signature?
	Yes, that's Alex.
	Okay.
	And going to the second page, what is this right here?
	That is a copy of the check that was payable to forge that you saw in the bottom line of that other disbursement, as well as the back of it showing the endorsement.
	All right, and is that the uh real forge or the fake forge?
	That's the fake forge.
	All right, and then what is this document right here?
	This is the correcting disbursement.
	The yellow totals would signify what the correct amount should have been, and the corrections that wouldn't need it have been made.
	All right, going back to this first page.
	In this particular one, uh, how much was the recovery?
	100 183,528.
	All right, and then was there an attorney fee taken from P PMPED?
	There was an attorney fee taken in this case, it was $30,000, which was a reduced fee.
	We generally get a third or 40%, but there are instances where the attorney will reduce their fee for some reasons.
	And do you know why then who requested the fees be reduced in this case?
	That that would be Ellick would have done that.
	Alec did that.
	Boom book.
	And so those fees got paid to the firm from that recovery, correct?
	They did.
	All right, great.
	So the rest of that money went to the client, didn't it?
	It did not, it actually went to the fake forge count where Alex stole the money from the client.
	Every last bit of it.
	Every bit, the 152, 866.
	That a client, that client didn't get one dime until y'all had to make it right.
	That's right.
	And that's similar to the all the rest of the examples we have.
	It's exactly like the rest.
	So now y'all see how the scheme basically he would take in a smaller deposit, you know, try to conceal it, make it fly under the radar, which you know ended up getting him caught in the first place.
	But this is how he was able to steal money for a duration of time.
	Years.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	All right.
	So now that we know the financial side, right?
	Uh, and you guys could go ahead and watch this video.
	Shout out to uh Law Crime and Network.
	Go ahead and subscribe to their channel, give them a like and subscribe to their channel.
	Shout out to them.
	Um show them some love.
	Uh that's just an overview of what's going on.
	We're not gonna watch the entire thing, but you guys get an idea now of what he was doing with stealing money.
	You guys understand the scheme now.
	Now we're gonna go into how he stole millions from his ex-hous keeper's family in a wrongful death case.
	Okay, guys.
	Uh Andrew, do you want to talk about this one real quick?
	Because this cover this was covered in Netflix documentary, right?
	Uh, just yeah, but like at the end, like it's three episodes documentary, so they mentioned this at the end.
	Like in the last episode.
	I mean, I'll summarize it for them real quick.
	Basically, this is one of their housekeepers, guys.
	She ended up allegedly, of course, right?
	No one knows the truth here.
	Yes, but she ended up getting pushed by the family dog falling down the stairs and then dying.
	Yeah.
	She uh the family ended up suing and win winning uh the lawsuit, okay.
	And uh Alex Murdah was still able to steal the money somehow.
	I don't fucking know how this guy does this shit.
	This guy is literally uh a G at stealing money from people, okay?
	I mean, obviously not G enough because he got caught.
	But this is what this dude does.
	All right.
	Uh let's go ahead and get into it here.
	I'm gonna go ahead and share screen with y'all.
	Uh this is ridiculous, but yeah.
	Speak up for us because the core quarter, nobody needs to hear hear you.
	Um this is the son of the housekeeper.
	Who was your mother?
	Uh Gloria Sanderfield.
	Gloria Sanderfield.
	Yes.
	And um is Gloria still with us?
	She's not.
	And when did she pass?
	Uh February 26, 2018.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	You got some?
	Okay, yeah.
	Yes, I just want to mention that this lady Gloria was the housekeeper for the Murdo family for many, many years.
	All right.
	So she actually saw all the kids grow.
	And Paul was very, very close to her.
	Right.
	But many, many people when she died, or got killed.
	I don't know.
	Um, were um implicating that they the one that killed her was Maggie or Alex Murdo, because apparently she knew secrets of the family.
	That no that so they alleged the parents killed her because she knew too much.
	Okay.
	So Paul, the son who got murdered, guys, right?
	We should which just to show you guys real fast, because I want you guys to be able to put faces to the names real quick here.
	Okay.
	Paul, right here, okay.
	Maggie is the wife, and Alex is right here.
	So the rumors you're saying is that Maggie and potentially even Alex were behind her being killed.
	Okay.
	Some people said that Paul also will kill her, but I mean, like, people close to the family will know that Paul wouldn't be able to do that because he raised him.
	Yeah, basically.
	He cared about her.
	So anything, the parents might have an incentive because she knew too much.
	Yeah, but the thing is that Maggie called it called 911 when she died.
	She was the one who made it call.
	Ah, interesting.
	So people were just like him when he called 911 when they died.
	Exactly.
	Oh man.
	All right.
	Yeah, I told you guys this case is crazy.
	Uh all right.
	Let's uh let's go ahead and see a little bit of the testimony.
	Again, we're not gonna play this entire video, guys.
	I'm gonna play it so you guys kind of understand the severity of what's going on here, so this all makes sense, right?
	Yes, sir.
	And who did she work for when she passed?
	Uh Alec and Maggie Murdaw.
	Okay.
	And do you know Alec Murdoch?
	I Do you see him here in the courtroom today?
	I did.
	Can you point him out?
	Uh yeah.
	Your Honor can record the flight.
	He's gonna find the phone.
	Um where is he?
	Where is he?
	Uh that's our public.
	Pardon?
	What about again if you want to play?
	Fred Dick.
	All right.
	Can you tell me what?
	And I know that's not this looks redundant, guys.
	But the reason why he has to point to the person in the courtroom, they need to get a positive identification for the court records.
	Um and obviously they're typing stuff up, so they you know they're gonna say let the record reflect that the uh witness has identified the defendant, and then they can go ahead and get the testimony.
	Uh a navy blue jacket.
	It does.
	Thank you, Your Honor.
	Um how long did your mom roughly how long she worked for Alec?
	Do you know?
	Uh I think he can estimate against 20 something years, maybe give and take.
	I don't know, the nine years.
	Two decades, guys.
	Holy.
	That is crazy.
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	And uh, yeah, let's get back into it.
	Okay, and sum it up just a little bit more and talk right into that mic.
	There you go.
	Just a little bit.
	All right.
	Um what did uh your mom do for uh uh she was their housekeeper, she baby attacked for them, she cleaned their handle um and kind of anything else they kind of need.
	Okay, and she'd been on that for a long time.
	Yes.
	During the course of that, you got to know Alec and his family to some extent as well.
	Yes.
	Uh did you trust Mr. Murdoch?
	Yes.
	What happened to your mom?
	Uh she fell and hit her head.
	Okay.
	And where was she when she did that happen?
	She was at Alex's house in Moselle.
	In Moselle?
	Yeah.
	Um did she pass right away or did she live for a while?
	Uh she lived for a few weeks.
	And guys, Mosella's where the murder occurred, uh, with where the dog kennels were, etc.
	That's a property that they own, which is right here.
	This is the Mosella State here, as y'all can see from an aerial photo.
	Um so uh and actually I think if I if I'm not mistaken, it's on the market now and under contract.
	Uh oh shit.
	These are some photos, right?
	You got the kennels, okay.
	Um what 1,700 acres of land.
	They purchased the Moselle property around 2012.
	And uh, you know, it's gated.
	Yeah, these guys got money, guys.
	You know, listed for 3.9 million, right?
	So yeah, these dudes got some money, bro.
	They they definitely got some money.
	Uh, but this is where the murder occurred and where um the and I think if I'm not mistaken, it was these steps that she allegedly got pushed down and ended up uh passing away.
	So uh let's get back to it.
	Was she ever able to say to you what happened, how she fell or anything?
	Uh no, she would not.
	Um after she passed, uh, did you have any conversation with Alec uh about what to do about it?
	Uh I did.
	And what was the conversation you had with Alec?
	Uh uh barely remembered what it's like.
	Um, you know, let me go after my insurance company for this or whatever, you know, kind of get his medical bills and stuff paid.
	Okay.
	So he said he was gonna go after his insurance company?
	Yes.
	And get medical bills for your mom pay?
	Yes.
	Did he say he might get money for you and your brother?
	Yes.
	Did he say how much that might be?
	Uh no.
	Um, was there a lawsuit filed?
	Yes.
	And he he uh who did you consider your lawyer was in all of this?
	Uh Alex.
	At some point in time, did he bring another lawyer in?
	Yes.
	And what did he tell you about that?
	Um he said, if I understood it correctly, you know, I can't do it myself because conflict of interest.
	Um I'm gonna send you to my buddy Corey Fleming.
	Corey Fleming, yes.
	Did he tell you anything about his relationship to Corey Fleming other than they were bodies?
	Uh can you repeat the question finding it here yet?
	Did he tell you anything more about his relationship with Corey Fred?
	You guys see a trend here.
	How Alex, what he does is he inserts himself into certain legal procedures so that he can influence it to his benefit.
	So in this case, um his housekeeper dies.
	So what does he do?
	He makes sure that he has a hand in representing her son to ensure that he's involved in the process of financial disbursement of funds from an insurance company.
	Okay, we'll see what happens next year.
	Um after he brought in Corey Fleming, were you still communicating directly with Alec about the case?
	Yes.
	Who did you think your lawyer was?
	Uh Alex.
	The whole time.
	Yes.
	Did he ever bring in a person uh or did they ever bring in a person by by the name of Chad?
	Yes.
	And you remember Chad's last name?
	Uh Westendorf.
	Okay.
	God damn it, Chad coming in and messing it up again, man.
	And takes your girl and your money.
	What did they tell you about Chad?
	Um that he should be my PR.
	Your PR?
	Yes.
	Did you ever meet with Chad?
	Uh yes.
	Did you meet with him a lot or just uh one time I can think of?
	Alec told you that he was going after his insurance company.
	Did he say how much that insurance was?
	Um one of them that I know of was like $100,000.
	That's the only one.
	That's the only one he told you about?
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Did he ever tell you that there was also an umbrella policy worth upwards of five million dollars?
	No.
	Never mentioned that to you, did he?
	So he only told him about the one that's 500k.
	Didn't it tell him about the one that was some M's.
	Hmm.
	Uh I really don't believe this guy actually.
	Go ahead.
	He leaves that his mom got killed.
	Die accidentally, like stairs.
	It's just it it it's naive, but you know, if you go put yourself in his shoes, right?
	Like your mom's worked for them for 20 years.
	25 years.
	20, you know, 20 years plus.
	You know, you're thinking in your head, like they would never do anything.
	They've paid her, they've taken care of her, they've given her time off.
	Uh she knows the family.
	There's no way this could happen.
	You know what I mean?
	He probably he probably grew up in the house with them, probably going to Christmas, everything else like that.
	So he would think like that, maybe it was a dog.
	Maybe it was his dog on some demon time, you know what I mean?
	Like coming after uh his mom.
	And he's, you know, he's a young guy.
	Maybe he believed would believe it.
	Yeah, but I I personally think like he must know something.
	I I don't know.
	I don't want to put my hands in there, but I I mean, he probably knows something as well.
	His mom actually went 20 plus years there, like it's sus.
	Yeah, no, it's definitely sus.
	It definitely is, which I think he probably came to that conclusion later on when he didn't get the money.
	Well, yeah.
	Well, yeah.
	But I I could see how in the beginning why he would trust him.
	Of course.
	So makes sense.
	Yeah, you know, you got a prominent rich family telling you, hey, um, you know, we're gonna make sure that you get this money, we're gonna take care of you.
	We loved your mom, she was with us, she's a part of our family, blah, blah, blah.
	And even uh one of Alex's co-workers said that he the good thing that he was good at, even though he was a terrible lawyer, was he was a fantastic, she would say bullshit artist in her own words.
	The CFO actually said that about him during the trial.
	So um, I wouldn't be surprised that he was able to con this guy as well.
	Yeah, right?
	Tugging on emotional uh triggers.
	Fair enough.
	Fair enough.
	He got that conjuice pause.
	All right.
	Prosecutor gathering them documents.
	Oh, Chris Trailer Company and a medical bill, I believe.
	And I just wanted to reason that you sent that to what that is.
	Uh that is a cover sheet that I think that I said, Alex.
	Okay, and what was what's the reason that you sent that to Alec?
	Um I got something from the trailer company and a medical bill, I believe.
	And I just wanted to be sure what I needed to do with it.
	You'd receive some paperwork about your mom.
	Uh It was a bill.
	It was a bill.
	Yeah.
	And who did you send that to?
	Uh Alec Murdoch or a law firm.
	Alright.
	And why did you send it to Alec Murdoch?
	Uh, because he said we got any medical bills disordered to him, and I didn't know if I needed to do anything with it.
	Because you thought he was your lawyer.
	Yes.
	Right.
	And this had your phone number on there, but we blacked it out, correct?
	so So not only is Alex representing him involved in the entire process, but he's also getting all the bills that are coming in.
	So he's in control, guys, of what's going on with the entire process.
	So if he was involved and had some nefarious activity with his mother's house.
	He sees everything coming down the pipeline, which is obviously puts him in a position of power.
	Asking him about the case and what was going on with the case or anything like that?
	Uh yes, not very rarely, but every few months or so.
	And what would he tell you just generally over the uh first?
	It was hard, hard in other making progress.
	He said it was hard, but they were making progress.
	Yes.
	Did he tell you anything about whether or not you and your brother were getting any money?
	Uh the medical bills were paid.
	Said he was hoping.
	Did he give you an idea?
	Hey, it's hard, but we're making progress, bro.
	Uh, you know, it we're gonna we're gonna get that money.
	Stop the cap.
	Any idea of the amount?
	Uh if I remember correctly, one time he said trying to get each of you uh at least 100,000 apiece.
	Each of each of you, you and your brother?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Um at some point in time, did your family advise you that there was some media reporting about a settlement in the case?
	Yes.
	All right, and at that time, did you heard anything from Alec or Corey or Chad or anybody about a settlement in the case?
	No.
	Right?
	And what if anything did you do after your family?
	Did they ask you to do anything?
	Uh yeah, they said you might want to kind of hold up on it, kind of see.
	And did you make the phone call to Alec?
	Uh yes.
	And what month was that in?
	Uh I believe the last time I taught him was in June of 21.
	June of 21?
	Yes.
	Around the time of the murders?
	Yes.
	And what did you ask him?
	Uh, I can't believe what I asked him, but um, it was still making progress and be ready to settle, you know, by the end of the year.
	He told you it was still making progress and he was hoping to settle by the end of the year.
	Yes.
	Stop the cap.
	Did he tell you that they had already gotten a settlement for 55,000 dollars?
	No.
	Did he tell Boombook?
	Tell you that they had already gotten a settlement for 3.8 million dollars.
	No.
	Boom book.
	Had he ever told you that there was an umbrella policy for five million dollars?
	No.
	Did he ever boom book up?
	Did you mention to you anything about forge?
	No.
	Did he boom book?
	Did he mention anything to you about structuring any settlement?
	No.
	Boom book!
	Did he give him permission to steal your money?
	No.
	BUMBO CARD!
	Ultimately, in the wake of all of this.
	You've come to find out that there was a settlement for $505,000, correct?
	Uh yes.
	And it was diverted by Alec Murdoch, correct?
	Yes.
	Boom book.
	And ultimately you've come to find out that there was a settlement under the umbrella policy for $3.8 million.
	Is that correct?
	Yes.
	Or thereabouts, correct?
	Yes.
	And a large portion of that was diverted by Alec Murdoch.
	Is that right?
	Yes.
	Boom boom.
	Did you ever get one from Alec Murdoch when he was still before all of this happened?
	No.
	Boom book.
	It took after this happening and hooked took a legal process for that to happen.
	Is that right?
	Yes.
	And ultimately, is it your understanding that he confessed judgment to taking money for both of those?
	Is that right?
	In June of 2021, you made a call to him asking the status of this case.
	Is that correct?
	Uh I can't remember if he called me or if I called him, but yes, I told him in June 2021.
	You talked to him in June of 2021.
	Yes.
	And there were reports in the media about that settlement, correct?
	Yes.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	And please answer any questions the defense has, okay?
	Bro, W prosecutor.
	Dom Demon.
	Yo.
	What the hell?
	My man was robbing everybody clean.
	He was taking money from the law firm.
	He was taking money from his dead uh housekeeper's son settlement money.
	Say who was gonna represent him.
	My man was stealing all kinds of money.
	Yo, holy.
	Alright.
	Now we're gonna get into the 911 call of him trying to fake his own murder slash shooting.
	Okay, guys.
	Uh it gets crazier.
	Alright.
	I feel like I'm doing an infomercial here.
	But you know, it's like, but wait, there's more.
	Yeah, bro.
	Holy.
	9-1-1, what is your emergency?
	Oh no, I'm Sauka Hatchie Road.
	Okay, what's the address on Fuck Hatch Road?
	I'm by the church.
	Uh what church?
	What church are you talking about?
	Look at how calm he is, guys.
	Right?
	He's very calm and speaking kind of low for someone who's about to say what he's about to tell y'all here in a second.
	Man, I was gonna say this.
	Uh I don't know the name of it with the red roof.
	Okay, what end of soccer hatch roll?
	Because I don't know what you're talking about.
	Um at the Hampton County side.
	Okay, what's going on?
	I stopped I got a flat tire.
	And I stopped, and somebody stopped to help me.
	And when I turned my back, they tried to shoot me.
	What?
	They tried to shoot me.
	What the fuck?
	Oh, okay.
	Were you shot?
	Yes.
	But I mean, I'm okay.
	You shot where?
	Where were you shot at?
	Huh?
	Did they actually shoot you?
	They tried to shoot you.
	Shot me.
	But uh Okay, wait, you need EMF.
	Uh well, I mean, yes, uh I mean, yes.
	Okay.
	And then I'm bleeding a lot.
	Yo, like yo, good shot, you are changing your tire, do whatever the hell he's claiming that he's doing on the side of the road.
	If someone shoots you in the back and you and then they run away and you're bleeding.
	Would you be calling 911 all call like, yeah, uh, you know, I think I'm I think I need help.
	Uh I think someone shot me and ran out.
	I'm bleeding a lot.
	Uh yeah, can y'all send somebody out here and help me out?
	Like, no, you'd be like, yo, I got shot.
	I need help.
	You'd be frantic.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Like, what the hell is this, bro?
	I mean, I'm okay, but uh I'm bleeding.
	So yeah, hurry up, please.
	What the hell, bro?
	So, yeah, and this happened, guys.
	You can see three months after, right?
	The murders uh back in June of 2021.
	Uh, I'm not sure.
	Somewhere on my head.
	He's gonna somebody just stop for me, man.
	Um one.
	Okay.
	Still.
	Hey.
	Okay, let me speak to him.
	See if he can tell me exactly where you are.
	Oh, like your body church.
	Okay.
	Yeah, hurry, please.
	Uh-huh.
	Okay, I'm about to mile up on the pedestal hero.
	Okay, and what's your name?
	I'm still here.
	I'm gonna stay on the line with you.
	What's your name?
	Alex Murdoch.
	Alex Murray Yes, ma'am.
	And you see you were driving, you got a flat tire, somebody stopped to help you and they shot you when they pull over.
	Yes, ma'am, like they were gonna help me.
	Okay, stay on the line with me.
	We're gonna get some I'm bleeding pretty bad.
	Okay.
	Stay on the John's dictionary.
	St. John missionary church.
	Yes, ma'am.
	Okay.
	And can you give me a description of the person that shot you and shot at you?
	Yes, ma'am.
	I mean it was uh Notice the pausing.
	You don't really know.
	He's like, wait, hold on.
	I have my back to him.
	So how am I gonna say this without implicating the person that I hired to do this, but at the same time come off as believable?
	And you guys can see it right now.
	You know, that that perk hitting.
	He's trying to figure out how he's gonna do this.
	A white fella.
	Uh I'd say a white male.
	A fair amount younger than me.
	Uh really, really short hair.
	All right.
	You have an ambulance coming there?
	Yes, sir.
	Yes, sir.
	Stay on the line.
	I got them on the way.
	You think one of y'all can drive me to the hospital?
	Yes, sir.
	You want to get the trunk, though, because I got a baby.
	I can't get any of these in the back.
	Okay, what do y'all have to get in this car and drive me?
	They're gonna drive me to the hospital.
	Ma'am?
	Ma'am?
	Ridiculousness, guys.
	Can you try and tell you that accent?
	Ma'am.
	I'm still shot the head.
	I've been shot on the head.
	I don't know from where, but I'm bleeding a lot.
	Help me.
	Even though I staged this with my friend.
	For insurance money.
	I robbed my dead housekeeper's son blind.
	But I need more money.
	The fuel of this addiction.
	I killed my family.
	But I need some help.
	Right now, bitch.
	We gotta be professional.
	Keep going.
	Yo, man.
	Yo, is it my manager said that a lot, yo?
	The operator, like, what's going on?
	Yeah, it should be crank.
	Okay.
	Okay, now it is.
	Bitch, my hair bleeding.
	That's me, my lawsuit.
	This young lady is driving me to the hospital.
	She's carrying you.
	Y'all, bitch ass niggas too slow.
	She's driving me to the hospital.
	Yes, ma'am.
	Okay.
	And who is this?
	This is Alec Murdoch.
	I was on the phone a minute ago.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	They said he said they said he's taken him to the hospital.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Oh, yeah.
	Stop.
	Ma'am, I need the ambulance.
	You need the ambulance?
	Okay, where are you?
	Are you still in the same location?
	Yes, ma'am.
	Okay.
	Which way are y'all heading?
	Are y'all still are y'all driving down the road?
	No, ma'am.
	Uh I got a flat car.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	Sit tight right there, okay?
	okay Ma'am.
	Okay.
	Yes, sir.
	We're still here.
	We're still here.
	Hold on.
	We're dispatching.
	Ma'am.
	Giving them information.
	Where are you at?
	I told you like three times, bitch.
	Get your ass over here and help me out.
	I'm bleeding him.
	Alright, now they're fucking idiots.
	Okay, so where are y'all traveling?
	Um we're coming down South Hatchy Road to the Hampton Hospital.
	Bitch, I'm going to the hospital.
	There's only one.
	Ma'am.
	Y'all coming down Saka Hatchie Road to your ho to the hospital?
	Yes, ma'am.
	Okay.
	They sit.
	They said that they're coming down.
	They're coming down south at you heading towards the hospital.
	Yo, L911 dispatched.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Are you coming off of Walterburg Highway?
	Uh we'll be at Waterburgh Highway in ten minutes or so.
	They said in about ten minutes they said they'll be in Waterbury Highway.
	Bitch, I gotta be on the highway on my own because you can't get an ambulance What the hell going on?
	White um Nissan Rogue.
	It's a white Nissan rogue.
	Bitch, I'm about to embezzle from 911 at this point.
	This is ridiculous.
	Bro, I all I'm gonna say is none of y'all better get injured in South Carolina in this area.
	Holy, you ain't getting no bro.
	It's gonna be a for you if you get caught in this area called 911, bro.
	Could you imagine if you really got shot in the head and you out here?
	Uh I need some help.
	Well, we gonna set an air list to you.
	Okay, we're gonna get one out there.
	Next thing you know, and you gonna meet your maker, bro.
	It's fucking done for you, my friend.
	Saying gonna pull you into the hell like I'm dying.
	Okay, you still with me?
	No.
	All right, you still with us?
	Yes, ma'am.
	Okay.
	All right, we're gonna hold on to the line.
	Where did it bro?
	If you really got shot in the head and you had been bleeding as much as he's claiming, you would have been passed out by now.
	Like you would have been done.
	We've been on this call for what, seven minutes now?
	Bruh.
	Yo, you would have been dead by now.
	You know what I mean?
	on.
	Bruh.
	Bruh.
	L 911 dispatch.
	Anyone that lives in this area of South Carolina, y'all better never call 911, bro.
	Y'all better off getting on the fucking horse and get into that house beyond your own.
	If you know what I'm saying, you say, Yo, you better get on a fucking horse and go there yourself.
	This shit is trash, bro.
	Hey, we're still here.
	We're still here.
	Hold on even Alex bad right now.
	Yes, sir.
	Hold on just one moment.
	I can't even plot a suicide attempt, you fucking trash 911 dispatch.
	Alright, we got um they're heading out there towards you, okay?
	You may have a person getting thrown in the course, man.
	That was easy.
	Someone said the dispatch was eating Taco Bell in between.
	Bro, this is craziness.
	Okay.
	To Tex said, I live in South Carolina.
	Do I got a chance?
	No, bro.
	With this type of at 911, you ain't got no chance.
	Vincent Ben.
	And yes, no chance heading down the road.
	Go by a horse.
	Definitely.
	Yeah.
	Mr. Murdoch.
	Yes, ma'am.
	Okay, y'all still heading down the road?
	Yes, ma'am.
	Okay.
	Bridge, cuz I don't got an ambulance.
	I'm heading down the road with this random stranger.
	And what's a good callback for you, Mr. Murdoch?
	We're at uh light to crossroads now.
	You're at light two crossroads now.
	Bro.
	Love.
	No, no, no, no.
	Okay, Mr. Murdoch, hold on tight for me, okay?
	Hold on.
	Bruh.
	We've been nine thirty nine minutes and thirty seconds into this call, bro.
	Yo, if he really had gotten shot, he would be.
	Yes, ma'am.
	Okay.
	This is the most ridiculous 911 call I've ever heard.
	Yo, we dead at this point.
	Yes.
	We are seriously dead.
	Like, yo, it's a wrap.
	It's over.
	That was easy.
	He dead.
	In a white Nissan rogue.
	White Nissan rogue.
	Is the flashers on?
	This time that's no 1017 to the hospital.
	I'm speeding it up for y'all.
	Do you have your flashers on on the vehicle?
	Is the flashes on?
	Is the flashers on?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yes, bitch, find me.
	That guy's cheating.
	They're on walk of our highway.
	We see the ambulance.
	So we can go over.
	Yo, it took them 10 minutes and 53 seconds to see the ambulance, bro.
	They are pulling over.
	Um they see the EMS.
	Okay, do you y'all stop?
	Yeah, Walter Bar Highway.
	MYR.
	Okay.
	Bro, L dispatch.
	Took them 11 minutes to find him.
	And here's the thing.
	Guys, this is rural South Carolina.
	Ain't not out there.
	If you don't guys know what I'm saying.
	Like, what the hell is this, bro?
	Trash.
	Literally L 911.
	L H. All I gotta say after that, bro, is guys, do not get caught out in South Carolina on your own, because you are definitely going uh to die.
	Okay.
	Now, here is a scheme played out in court, guys.
	I'm gonna fast forward through this so you guys get the most pertinent stuff, okay.
	Oh, hold on.
	It's muted.
	No, it's in the Elaborno.
	I think it's 911 call.
	Alex, just go hello here we have to get ready to get really bad.
	Okay.
	Do you remember what you told him?
	No, sir.
	And this is when you're in the hospital in Savannah.
	No, this is when I was in decomp here.
	Okay, so you've called them since you wouldn't we need to worry about for Boston.
	Uh so your son would then reap the insurance benefits.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Statutory ban on a suicide exclusion.
	In other words, if you have the policy work two years, you can commit suicide and still collect.
	Okay.
	So that's that's not what he thought.
	Really doesn't matter, but he may have thought.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But you still entered into an agreement basically to have him kill you.
	Uh so your son would then reap the insurance benefits.
	And and okay.
	Yes, sir.
	Um so basically, guys, what ended up happening was he staged, okay, himself getting killed in this case, so that the insurance money would go to his son Buster, his oldest son who's still alive.
	I think he's right here, if you guys can see in the back on this side right here where I'm uh circling.
	He also has red hair.
	Okay.
	So that was the scheme that he was trying to do, and he plotted it with his drug dealer friend.
	Uh, it didn't end up working, because as you guys can see here, L911, and uh L Murdo acting skills.
	All right, yeah.
	So now we're gonna fast forward, guys.
	Okay.
	Now, before I go into the actual murder itself and we go over the evidence of that, uh, you know, I'll do a quick little recap.
	But before I do the recap, I'm gonna read some of these chats that came in because you they're piling up, so I'll go through them very nice and quickly.
	Uh keep this thing uh nice and nice and organized.
	Okay, timestamps will be up by the way as well, where I'm gonna go and break down each chapter for y'all.
	Good podcast and more vlogs.
	Why do politic correct nerds always claim that you hate women or that you are a happy life, by the way?
	W A P W Rolex.
	I appreciate it, bro.
	Uh, you guys gotta understand that um a lot of these young guys don't really understand or know uh female nature for real, so they're gonna go ahead and judge what we do based off their personal experiences, which are limited, so you can't blame them for what they don't know.
	Uh Cinco, stop giving Angie the Sudanese stick and get to work.
	Uh thanks, Cinco.
	Uh, not today though.
	Uh Michael Nestroke, a dollar.
	Appreciate that.
	Uh stop the clap.
	You were in them cheeks.
	No, I was not, sir.
	I I promise y'all she had just got here from work.
	Hey Martin, have you ever heard of Dr. Sebi Conspiracy?
	I have not.
	Um, Kev's garage, Angie Kaladita's.
	What does that mean?
	You know.
	That's the phrase that you told me to translate for you the other day.
	Caillita said Muanita.
	So the Quier, the Keter.
	Oh, okay, fantastic.
	All right.
	Well, we needed to talk a little bit here, guys.
	Sneeko taking a beating online.
	What's your thoughts on what happened?
	Uh Sneeko is more relevant than all of us haters, and he's banned off of YouTube.
	That tells you guys what you need to know.
	There's channels that are a lot bigger than him piling on talking smack when the man is canceled.
	If that doesn't prove that he's more relevant than they are, I don't know what else does.
	Z Hawine, off topic, but what are the grooming standards for an 1811?
	Uh every agency is different, but you can pretty much get away with a beard for most agencies.
	Uh, unless you're like an FBI agent or some shit like that, and you're doing like you know, public corruption or you know, financial stuff, which is boring, or an IRS agent.
	Uh Michaka lose, okay.
	Christina belongs to the streets.
	W Meyer for leaving her and that's from Cinco.
	Okay.
	Uh water under the bridge.
	Ryan Dawson be lit.
	Can't wait for that.
	W stream L mods.
	Okay.
	Yeah, that's gonna be a lit one.
	Uh W Angie and W Myern's hair.
	Yeah, guys, my hair is back.
	If y'all watch other episodes of uh Food Monco, y'all will see how bald I used to be.
	Um it's it's coming in, man.
	It's coming in.
	I will have uh full hair very soon.
	Uh and a free penny her and okay.
	Myron, what hair transplant do you recommend?
	I need the plug, bro.
	Uh, I got the standard one with uh, you know, where they cut your head and then they take the strip and put it on.
	I got the standard one.
	Uh what's going on with young Dolph?
	Can you ask Christina?
	Uh I gotta get the documents for it.
	Uh hey Myron, I'm a 26-year-old criminal justice major.
	Seeing how it isn't likely that I'll be a professional athlete.
	Any good careers to look into?
	Yeah, bro, apply for everything.
	Apply for every police department, every law enforcement agency.
	Just got the book on Tuesday.
	Good read so far.
	I like the video.
	And can I get a Donamarco?
	Of course, you can.
	Down the mock goes.
	And guys, say the book.
	Myron doesn't hate women, but he will tell you why women deserve less.
	Bam, there you go.
	Hardcover version and the soft cover version right here.
	Okay, guys.
	Both are in stores right now.
	So go ahead and get the books.
	Audible is coming very soon.
	I had to make adjustments to it, bro, because Audible is very picky about certain things.
	So we have to redo the credits portion, which is stupid because everything else was done.
	But uh, it should be done.
	Hopefully, this is the last edit, and it'll be up.
	But book is in stores right now, guys.
	We're number one in medical psychology.
	I think we're like number two or number three in dating now.
	Medical psychology.
	Yeah.
	Medical of like sexuality.
	Intersexual dynamics.
	Sexology.
	Yeah, sexology.
	Uh Cinco, uh, Angie, stop talking over Myron.
	You're messing up the audio.
	Yeah, she's good, bro.
	Don't worry.
	Sorry.
	Jerome, Sartura Shooter interview was fired.
	Thank you for all you do, Myron.
	Stay strapped and be careful, my brother.
	The other side will continue to demonize and suppress the message for the Tates.
	Absolutely for the Tates, man.
	We all know they're innocent.
	Shout out to Sartorio Shooter as well.
	That was one of my favorite interviews to do.
	Uh Plumber Mike, five bucks.
	Appreciate that.
	Adam Russell Russell, 39 goes, big brother Myron.
	When are you going to do an episode about quit prawn and no fab?
	It's so important.
	I'm already quit.
	And that bad habit, I feel good, not lazy.
	Yeah, we could do an episode on that.
	Jared Choi.
	Fit just told me not to donate to the channel.
	I don't know what to do at this point.
	Thank you.
	Uh shout out to Joe, uh JR Cho.
	Choi.
	I used to work at Alvin as uh Glenn Detention Center when he was there.
	And trust me, this dude was definitely detoxing in jail.
	It was a full switch from the day he was first got there to now.
	Okay.
	Uh Ja Rule voice.
	It's murder.
	Ah, I see what you okay, bro.
	That was fantastic funny.
	Don't go.
	Um and Nason John, Christina for the streets.
	No comment.
	Uh Taz the Beast, what are we getting next credit episode?
	Uh, not tomorrow, guys, because we got Waka Flacca in the house tomorrow.
	Shout out to Fresh for making that happen.
	Uh, so we're not gonna uh have a credit episode next Monday uh or tomorrow, but we will have a credit episode coming up.
	All right.
	So quick recap.
	Uh we're hour 20 in, guys.
	So I'm gonna give you all a quick recap of what went down so far because we're gonna get into the murder now.
	And uh, like I said before, after this is all done, timestamps will be below.
	Nice and detailed for y'all to skip around and get whatever.
	This is going to be the definitive Murdaw case breakdown for you guys, A to Z. All right.
	So uh before I do that, go ahead and like the video, subscribe to the channel if you guys haven't already.
	We got uh six almost 1700 of y'all watching the show right now.
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	Well, I know what are the likes at right now.
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	Come on, guys.
	I hate stopping the show for yeah, 899.
	Guys, come on, man.
	100 likes.
	Y'all can't do that so we can hit 1K.
	I want to say something.
	Okay, go ahead.
	I want to say something for the people that are not liking the video.
	You guys, you really need to like the video.
	And this is me telling you because this man right here just pointing you now, like do the thing.
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	This guy, okay.
	Look at this guy.
	Yeah, this guy.
	This guy, after every fucking video we do, he sits in that chair, right?
	For almost like an hour and a half doing the fucking timestamps for you all.
	And I mean, sometimes we even like finish at fucking 6 a.m. in the morning.
	And who he wouldn't stand off that shirt just to finish everything for you, like editing the video, like doing the timestamps, doing like everything, like you know, cutting the the things on the times and all that shit that he does.
	So you really need to understand where he says, like the grind doesn't stop, is because he doesn't fucking stop.
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	WAH Yeah, guys, don't go.
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	All right.
	All right.
	So let's go ahead and recap.
	So we covered a bunch of different things here, guys, on this podcast.
	We started first with the uh the Murdoch family background, okay?
	Who they are, how they run uh the southern part of South Carolina.
	Then we went into uh describing their history, right?
	I showed you guys the photograph of the family uh that were involved in this tragedy.
	Obviously, you got Alex Murdah, the the murderer, the convicted murderer at this point, the son, Paul, right, who also was involved in killing someone, and Maggie, all right, who may or may not have been involved in her housekeeper's death.
	Then we went into the history, then we went to the death of Mallory Beach, okay.
	Then we which was the boat accident that Paul Murdah was involved in drive drive operating the boat drunk.
	Uh, and then we went into uh Murdaw embezzling money from his law firm.
	Then we went into Murdaw stealing money from his deceased housekeeper's son that he promised to represent and get the money to.
	Then we went into the bizarre 911 call that he made after staging an attempted hit so that he can collect money from life insurance for his oldest son, Buster, who is still alive.
	Then now, this brings us to the day of the murder in early June of 2021.
	And I showed you guys all this to set the stage to put you guys kind of in the man's shoes as to why he did all these crazy things, uh, all the crazy things that led up to him killing his son and his wife.
	Because at face value, you look at it like, yo, why would this dude do this?
	But now you can see a deranged man, a desperate man, a man sinking from financial stress, sinking from lying, sinking from stealing money, sinking from drug use, drug abuse, etc.
	Okay.
	He's not acting in his rational mind.
	Now let's go ahead into the crime scene.
	Please hurry.
	We're getting somebody out there to you.
	Oh.
	Oh.
	Colliden County Sheriff's Office Deputy Daniel Green was Was the first to arrive on the scene at Moselle.
	Maggie and Paul are clearly dead.
	He sees Alec Murdoch standing there as well in a t-shirt and shorts.
	Alec Murdoch is extremely pay attention to what he's wearing, guys.
	White t-shirt and shorts, which is gonna conflict with what he was wearing earlier in the day.
	Upset, he is beside himself.
	Yes, sir.
	He seemed anxious, he seems distraught.
	He was pacing quite a bit.
	He was also asking Green whether they were dead.
	We got medical guys that are that that's that's that's what they're gonna do, okay?
	What are they doing?
	Can they hurry?
	They are, yes, sir.
	Evidence at the scene suggested that Paul was shot.
	And that blurred area that you guys saw is where the bodies were.
	With a shotgun, and Maggie was shot with a rifle.
	So that's very important to note, guys.
	Two different weapons were used, okay, in this uh murder.
	They were both murderers, uh, more they're I can't even say they're fucking left.
	They were both like they were the owners of the both the guns.
	Yes, yes.
	Which they never found the guns, by the way.
	Once Sled arrives, agents start to process the scene.
	Meanwhile, the lead agency is the South Carolina law enforcement um division, okay?
	That is the state of South Carolina's um main state agency that does big cases like this.
	Think of them as South Carolina's FBI.
	Wants to talk to Alec Murdoch to find out what happened, and he agrees to be interviewed.
	Just stupid.
	But he obviously has to give a statement because if he says I invoke my right to silence, or I don't want to talk to y'all, what are they gonna assume?
	Oh, you're guilty, bro.
	So you got here a deputy sheriff right here.
	Uh this guy, plain clothes, he's pretty he might be up uh work for the uh sheriff's office as well.
	And then you got the sled agent here.
	And in this case, Sled is probably gonna take lead, and sled investigators are named sled special agents, very similar to FBI or DEA or whatever, but they're state law enforcement officers because this is a murder, guys.
	Feds don't typically do a murder cases unless it's tied to some type of federal crime like a racketeering gang activity, something like that.
	Start the top, take your time.
	Um, like when I came back here, I mean I pulled up and I could see them, and you know, I knew something was bad.
	I ran out, I knew it was really bad.
	Come on, my boy over there.
	I could see it was hi everyone.
	George Stephanopoulos here.
	Thanks for checking out the ABC News YouTube.
	All right, so as y'all can see, obviously, very poor acting, right?
	So now we're gonna go ahead into the evidence that was found at the crime scene, okay.
	There were a significant significant number of particles uh of particles characteristic of gunshot rhyme residue on the inside of this jacket.
	Yes, gunshot residue on the inside of a rain jacket.
	Does it tie Alec Murdoch to the murders of his wife and son?
	I'm Anjanette Levy, and welcome to Law and Crime Sidebar podcast.
	On Tuesday, jurors in Alec Murdoch's double murder trial heard for the first time about his theft from his law firm and clients.
	He's charged with a number of financial crimes, as we've been telling you around 99 or so on 99 financial crimes.
	Boom mug!
	Holy Tuesday, the chief financial officer for his former law firm testified about confronting Murdoch on June 7th, 2021, about 792,000 in missing fees from a lawsuit that had settled with another firm.
	Hours later, Paul and Maggie Murdoch were murdered.
	Jeannie Secinger went through a number of checks she found that Murdoch had deposited for himself.
	And we have the what's this right here?
	That is the date of the check where the funds were stolen from.
	All right, and then right here.
	That's the client name.
	Right, and then right here.
	That's what we call the civil action number if it's been filed within the court.
	All right, and then the category is what type that he did.
	Most of them are forged payments, or you see a couple other, took insurance, so it's he had a few methods.
	All right, and then over here is that when y'all had to pay the money back, yes.
	So for each one of these money that was stolen, all the partners got together and had to put the money back into client trust, and we went through and corrected and met with every client and distributed money back to them.
	Um that's an ongoing basis still going on.
	So for all these clients, you had to pay the law firm had to pay money back.
	The partners came up with money and paid all the all the clients back.
	And why did y'all have to pay all that money back?
	Because Alec had stolen it.
	Jeannie Secinger, who's known Alec Murdoch for 40 years, also opined on his skills as a lawyer using some pretty colorful language.
	What were your observations of him as a lawyer?
	I think Alec Um was successful more often not from his work ethic, but from his ability to establish relationships and to manipulate people into I guess he got nine nine problems, but his family at one.
	Oh my God, bro.
	Boom book.
	Settlements and clients into liking him.
	So he did it through the article, basically.
	That can be an arc.
	He's just like, yo, fuck you, bitch.
	He literally is like, bro, if I ever get my hands on you, you know, in the back of his mind, he wants to hit her with the next thing you know, that sound comes on.
	Then he hits her with the then the then the boom.
	Next thing you know, perfect.
	And then that's what he's thinking in his head right now.
	He wants to end her, bro.
	What is going on?
	In your estimation and your judgment, was he more of a technical type lawyer, or is he one that really understood how to use the emotion of a case?
	He would use the emotion of a case and the and the emotion of his clients.
	So Genie Secinger basically said that Alec Murdoch was a BS artist on cross-examination.
	Alec Murdoch's lawyer, Jim Griffin, reminded Seconder that this trial is actually about the murders of Maggie and Paul, and pointed out she may have some bias.
	And we're not here today to try those charges on the financial crime.
	Now, this is the defense, guys.
	Now the defense's job, guys, is to deflect.
	Okay.
	The defense, their job isn't to prove that the guy's innocent, they're there to prove that the prosecution can't prove that he's guilty, which is a big difference.
	The burden of performance is always on the prosecution to prove that the subject is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
	So the the uh the defense is coming in to just muddy the waters a bit and create a little bit of doubt so that their client can get off, which is what he's doing right now, saying, Yo, this ain't a financial case, this is a murder case.
	What is the relevancy of this?
	Which is you know, typical that a defense attorney would do this.
	We're here, you understand you're testifying because he's been charged with the murder of his wife Maggie and his son Paul.
	I think they were murdered on June 7th, 2021.
	Yes, sir.
	Now, some of these it looks like, according to um your testimony, that this misconduct has been going on since as early as 2011.
	Unfortunately, when we found that out, right?
	So some my man was stealing money for over 10 years.
	Well, 10 years before the murders of Maggie and Paul, correct?
	That's correct.
	He managed to pull a lot of people, myself included.
	Understand.
	And I understand you have a right to be very hurt and angry about that.
	And and are you hurt and angry about that?
	Oh, yes.
	I take it very personally, honestly, that I'd let this or that this happened.
	You feel like it happened on your watch, and I think anybody feel normal feeling like that.
	And guys, I want to make a distinction because some of you guys are saying, yo, leading questions, blah, blah, blah.
	So when you're on when you're on direct, right?
	Right.
	So there's two types of testimony that you're gonna give.
	You're gonna be on direct examination and uh cross-examination.
	When you're on direct, right?
	Let's say I'm the agent, right?
	I'm the law enforcement officer, and the prosecution is asking me questions.
	We're on the same team.
	So he asked me more open-ended questions.
	Agent, what is your name?
	Blah blah blah.
	What is your duties?
	What are your uh what what's your title?
	What's your duties?
	How long you've been on the job?
	Okay, what's your expertise?
	Etc.
	Then they go into the questioning, right?
	Because they have to establish that you are qualified to talk about and testify about whatever the hell you're gonna talk about, especially if you're a subject matter expert, aka and SME, right?
	Then they ask you questions like, um, uh, what happened on such and such day?
	And then bam, you kind of go through the facts of the case.
	They don't really stop you too much.
	They might uh interject here to maybe get you to clarify something, whatever, but y'all are friendly, so you guys are working together to ask you um open-ended questions.
	Now, when you're on cross, okay, the ops are questioning you, okay.
	So in this case, I'm the agent, the defense comes after me.
	Now, the defense is going to ask me questions typically in a yes or no fashion.
	It's not open-ended.
	Why do they do that?
	Well, they do it to put you in a situation where you might answer something and make you look stupid.
	I'll give you an example.
	Okay.
	I remember back in the day when I was an agent.
	All right.
	They would ask me questions.
	Agent Fuddle.
	Right.
	I've already been doxxed at this point, so who cares?
	Is it true that you've lied in the past?
	Okay.
	And that's kind of an open-ended question.
	And you'd be like, You know, you could say something funny, never under oath, right?
	Ha ha ha, or something like that.
	Or have you ever told a lie before?
	Well, you obviously have to say yeah.
	But right, because no one is perfect.
	Everyone is lied before, right?
	And then they'll ask you questions like that to make you look bad, right?
	Because their job is to attack the credibility of the prosecution and the investigating officers, agents, whatever it may be.
	So on direct on a cross-examination, they kind of try to paint you in a corner and ask you yes or no questions.
	All right.
	And then it's back, right?
	On the prosecution, a lot of times they'll come back and they'll save it uh on the redirect or whatever it may be.
	But that's why he's asking questions like this, because obviously this woman, the CFO here, is the prosecution's witness.
	So the defense is asking her uh uh how do I say this questions that would paint her more in a corner to attack her credibility and to make the defendant look less uh less culpable.
	All right, so that's it.
	That's what it is when it comes.
	That's the difference between direct examination versus uh cross-examination.
	Cross-examination, you're being questioned by the ops, okay, to keep it nice and simple.
	Uh, and then direct examination, you're being questioned by your team.
	The big portrayal of trust.
	Next up was Ronnie Crosby.
	He'll like the video, by the way.
	Ain't nobody breaking this down for y'all like this.
	He's known as and this is coming from someone who's testified hundreds of times, by the way.
	I've testified in trial, I've testified in grand jury, I've testified at depositions, I've testified in virtually every type of criminal uh procedure, criminal case procedure, and or hearing uh at the federal level.
	So this isn't coming from me just reciting some bullshit off of Wikipedia or whatever.
	This is actual experience from someone that was on a job for over a decade.
	All right, guys.
	So like the video, subscribe to the channel, because ain't nobody else gonna be able to give you guys insights to this detail because you might get a lawyer here or there, you might get someone that might have testified as a witness.
	You ain't getting no fucking federal agent, former federal agent testify uh giving y'all this type of sauce and telling you guys how it really works in a criminal justice system.
	Alec Murdoch for much of their lives, and they were former law partners together at the now disbanded law firm.
	Crosby described his relationship with Paul Murdoch.
	Um I mean Paul since he was born.
	Um OTM Buster had always referred to me as um Uncle Ronnie.
	Um we lived just across the way from each other.
	So uh I got to know him.
	Um I don't know if he used to when he got into hunting, he hunted a lot on my property and Buster.
	Um I have a farm right here in Collin County where I grew up.
	Um so I got to know him, you know, that way.
	Uh and then Paul wasn't thinking this would be that hard.
	Thank you.
	time Paul was really good with with Kibbs, and he took a liking to my son who's younger, but he spent a lot of time with him.
	You'd take him hunting, fishing.
	They did a lot of hog hunting together.
	Paul had some hog dogs.
	And um, you know, just was around him a lot.
	He had a great personality.
	Um, really, you know, somebody kid I really loved, you know.
	Paul would come over to your property a good bit.
	Yes, and and then you know that's and then sometimes as as uh my son got older.
	He would go over to uh to Mosella and not with Barker.
	I like with Paul.
	Crosby said that he knew that Alec Murdoch had had some financial difficulties because of some real estate deals that went south on the night of the murders.
	He said he drove to Moselle and went directly to the kennels around 11 p.m.
	He said that he came back.
	So there's the motive right there.
	Financial hardship from bad real estate deals.
	Should have watched our uh money Mondays to talk about proper real estate invested, goddammit.
	Stupid to Moselle, and that he went to the house, and that uh when he got to the house, he he discovered that Maggie and Paul were not there,
	and that he then got back in his car, or his suburban, which was an office-issued vehicle in uh and he drove down to the kennels, and it's more than just kennels there.
	I think y'all's seen maybe the sheds there.
	Um, and he um he discovered Maggie and Paul's bodies.
	I also want to make this extremely clear for y'all.
	In his interviews, okay, your boy, um Murdoch said that he was not at the location, okay?
	And we're gonna see evidence that proves otherwise, but that was a big thing that he stuck with that he was not there at the location when the murders occurred.
	Uh at or about 8 50 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.
	Did he say whether or not he had gone down to the kennels with Maggie and Paul before he left to go to Almeida after 9 p.m.
	That came up in one of the conversations, and he's uh specifically said that he did not.
	He did not, he did not.
	Did you recognize any voices on that video?
	The three voices on that video or the voices of Paul Murdoch, Maggie Murdoch, and Elec Murdoch.
	How sure are you?
	How sure are you?
	I'm 100% sure that's who's voices.
	And this is the video that he's referring to, guys, right here.
	This is from Snapchat on Paul Murdoch's phone, minutes before they were killed.
	Get back.
	Quit cash.
	Okay, you heard one voice there.
	okay that was murdoch Hey, he's got a bird in his mouth.
	That's Maggie, that's his mom.
	Then you heard Murdoch again.
	I don't know what he said there.
	He said some gibber jobber.
	It's a kidney.
	This is a chicken.
	Come here, Baba.
	You can hear Murdoh on the back.
	Quick.
	Quick.
	go okay Hey, he got a bird in his mouth.
	So you can distinctly hear a female voice, which is Maggie, the mother, and then you can hear a male voice who is Murdoch.
	Alex Murdoch.
	And Paul is the one playing with the dog here that's recording this video.
	Okay.
	So what does that do, guys?
	That refutes his claim that he was not at the kennels.
	Okay.
	Boom book.
	Yeah.
	So he was full of the cap.
	And you got one of his close associates here testifying that that is indeed his voice.
	And I think there was eight other people that testified that that was Murdoch's voice.
	Or the audio there.
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	Paul and Maggie were murdered.
	Crosby then spoke about when he learned that Alec had been stealing from clients and what Alec had to say about it.
	Real quick, as you guys know with the shooting, I'm gonna go ahead and play a video for y'all that breaks down the murder.
	Okay, crime scene expert testifies in Alex Murdoch trial as far as how the shooting was done.
	Oh, hold on.
	My bad I had this tab you guys Murdoch died, and it was torture in a graphic courtroom demonstration.
	A crime scene expert described how Maggie first witnessed the death of her son, then she was wounded several times before the fatal shot was delivered.
	It's a shocking demonstration of the final moments of Maggie Murdoch's life.
	She would have been on her knees and had at least one hand on the ground.
	The prosecutor got down on the courtroom floor to illustrate the position.
	pause as a crime scene expert used his pointer to show how the killer alleged to be her husband Alex Delivered the fatal shot.
	The shooter was right here.
	Everybody was adjusting their seat to get a better look because it was just so dynamic.
	This courtroom absolutely stopped in South Carolina because you had the prosecution lying on the ground, actually demonstrating how Maggie may have been executed.
	The jury also heard a 9-1-1 call Murdoch made three months after Maggie and Paul were slain.
	I got a flat car.
	We played earlier, guys, on September 3rd, uh 2021.
	And when I turned my back, they tried to shoot me.
	Were you shot?
	Yeah.
	This video was taken in the ambulance.
	It sounded like a shoutbook.
	Murdoch later said he hired a former client to shoot him because his financial crimes were about to be exposed.
	I thought it would be better for me not to be here anymore.
	What do you mean by not be here anymore?
	Okay.
	It would make it easier over my family.
	Alex Murdoch has pled not guilty to the double murder charges.
	Oh I got somebody saying like this guy look like Chucky Greel.
	Like who?
	Chucky.
	Oh.
	I was giving uh a folder that had paperwork in it.
	Um that paperwork consisted of checks both front and back.
	And I was asked to uh review them.
	Were those the uh what's been called the fake forge checks?
	I believe the fake forged checks, there was not all of them that Miss Secinger went over, but I believe that there was um I could probably call the names of most of them that were there.
	Uh I know it was Anderson, Bush, uh Moore.
	There was probably about five or six of them, and I believe they had a copy of the uh Ferris check there, too.
	Ferris check.
	Yes, and I sat for a minute and reviewed it.
	I think Danny said you're gonna need a drink.
	And so did you have a drink?
	Yeah, I'll tell me more than one.
	Yeah, boy, that boy's drinking that scotch.
	No, I'm saying.
	What happened after that?
	Well, they didn't tell me what was in it.
	They let me review it on my own.
	And uh immediately said, This is this is bad.
	And my words then were that we have to terminate Ellock.
	He cannot no longer practice with us.
	And that was within I don't know how many minutes, but it was not a long period of time because the way Jeannie had it laid out, it was clear what had happened.
	and that this money had been stolen.
	Did any of the partners go to confront Alec with this information that had been uncovered?
	Um yes, there was a meeting uh the following morning at Lee's house.
	I did not attend, I did not need to attend.
	Um I was still getting ready for trial.
	I'd already I would already decided where this was going.
	And um they met, and then we uh Danny and Randy, Alex brother went and met with Alec.
	And what was your understanding of what the defendant said as a result of that?
	That he admitted and in and said that he was knew he was going to get caught at some point in time and admitted uh to them uh that he did it on cross-examination.
	Alec Murdoch's attorney Jim Griffin went back to the theme that the crime scene was tainted.
	Were you able to get inside the the crime scene tape?
	So cross-examination.
	Remember, guys, that guy is the prosecution's witness, so now the defense is cross-examining him, so now they're gonna krill him.
	I don't know if there was crime scene tape up at that point in time.
	Okay.
	So you were able, as you recall, just walk walk up or Maggie and Paul's bodies covered at the time you got there.
	Um but you were able to get into the crime scene close enough where you could tell what you thought caliber of the shell case.
	Right, and and I I didn't walk from where I was parked there.
	I I walked completely around the hangar and went over to talk to people I I knew that they're the fire and rescue people, just to get what their assessment was, and I could see from where they were positioned.
	I could see I wasn't like I didn't get over it, but I could see yo.
	This chat got no fucking chill, bro.
	Solo productions reactions goes, yeah, YMW Melly playing in his head, looking at his son and wife that night.
	Yo, don't call I guess he had murder on his mind, man.
	Yo, y'all are crazy, bro.
	Yeah, this chat got no chill, bad.
	Firearms, and I saw what I thought was a 223 casing.
	Okay.
	The last witness of the day was Megan Fletcher, and she testified about gunshot residue test results from Alec Murdoch's belongings.
	She said there were a small number of particles found on Alec Murdoch's hand, his seatbelt, his shirt, and shorts that he was wearing the night of the murders, but there was no GSR found on his sneakers, which is notable.
	But 38 particles were found on the now notorious blue rain jacket found at Alec Murdoch's mother's home.
	Oh boy.
	And that was a big piece of evidence, guys, because they couldn't find gunshot residue on any of the clothing that he was wearing that day.
	I mean, granted, he had to grab the gun real quick, but uh because he claimed that he was going to go back to the scene and you know, go after any attackers that had killed his family.
	But this piece of clothing right here, which was hidden, and remember, guys, uh there was a Snapchat video earlier, which I'm gonna show y'all of what he was wearing that day, okay, which his son had documented as well.
	It's interesting how Paul Snapchat spoke for him after his death.
	And finally, uh, since this is an inanimate object, how long would you expect that gunshot primer residue to stay on there?
	Until it's actively removed.
	Until it's actively removed.
	That means washed, cleaned.
	Yeah, brushing it, like aggressively brushing it off, washing it in a washing machine, cleaned, posed off, something like that.
	If a recently fired firearm was racked up wrapped up inside that jacket, would that be consistent with your findings?
	There is a possibility of that, yes, sir.
	Thank you very much.
	That's all we have.
	Thank you.
	Fletcher said that the GSR on Alec Murdoch's hand and his clothing and seatbelt could have been transferred, but she couldn't say when.
	And that's it for this edition of Law and Crime Sidebar Podcast.
	It is produced by Sam Goldberg and Michael Dininger.
	Bobby Zoe is our driver.
	All right, so real quick.
	Here's a timeline of what went down, guys.
	Right, that's the evidence, but let's go over the timeline now.
	All right, I'm gonna pull this up for y'all.
	And then we're gonna go over uh the picture crime scene photos and stuff.
	This is his font son, okay.
	Paul Murdoch recording his father.
	Okay, I think this was either a Snapchat or this was recovered from the phone after the fact.
	So look at he's wearing what he's wearing.
	Tan pants, blue shirt, uh, and looks like some uh some uh loafers the video you just watched was sent on Snapchat by Alec Murdoch's son on the day he was murdered.
	Prosecutors allege this video proof that the disgraced lawyer was with his son Paul at their South Carolina home before he was killed.
	That is, according to a Snapchat representative, that video was uploaded to Paul Murdoch's memories at 7.39 p.m. and later sent to Friends at 7.56 p.m. on June 7th, 2021.
	Gotcha, bitch.
	We just discussed that was part of the Snapchat search word return.
	Yes.
	That uh that you just testify was uh uploaded at 7:39 p.m. and said uh 756 p.m.
	Yes, and guys, this is common in a trial.
	I've done this before as well.
	Whenever you use social media and or phone records in a trial, you'll typically call a witness from the company to come in and testify as the validity of the times, the evidence seized, etc.
	Uh, from whatever medium you got the evidence from.
	I've had people come from Facebook on trials.
	I've had people come from uh uh from Facebook from Instagram, Snapchat.
	This is very common where you bring in an expert, right?
	Or or T Mobile Verizon, a lot of times with phone companies, uh, they come in and they testify to the validity of the information that is gathered and it can go into detail and explain it to the jury.
	So this is represented from Snapchat here, right?
	Later probably a law enforcement representative that works with uh law enforcement liaison that works for Snapchat.
	So if any uh law enforcement officer submits a search warrant or a uh subpoena, they have a compliance unit that deals with that.
	That night, Paul Murdoch took another video on his phone, this time in their dog kennel.
	Listen to how many voices you hear.
	Give it quick.
	This is a video we played earlier.
	So fast forwarded a bit.
	You can clearly hear three different distinct voices here.
	Which most importantly was Murdoch.
	I don't understand unless this angry Snapchat...
	They 100% believe Alec Murdoch's voice is heard alongside his son Paul's and wife Maggie's in the video.
	Recognize the voices on there.
	I didn't.
	Did you recognize the voices of your second family?
	I did.
	And what voices did you hear?
	Paul's Miss Maggie, Ms. Taylor.
	And how sure are you now?
	Positive.
	100%.
	That's correct.
	Expert witnesses said the video was taken at approximately 8 44 p.m., which is minutes before investigators believe Paul And Maggie were shot later.
	Alec would call 911 at approximately 10.06 p.m. to report the discovery of the bodies of his wife and son.
	An hour plus after the fact.
	This is Alex Murdoch at 4147 Moselle Road.
	I think the police have been canceled immediately.
	My wife and child just got badly.
	Well, go ahead.
	Do you find the the footage that I told you that it's on YouTube when they when they found the buddies?
	Like when he called the Oh, when he called that I told you that they pulled it up.
	Um yeah, we could we could play it.
	Uh the the basically the body cam footage.
	Also, another thing I want you guys to know when he called 911.
	When you guys call 911, it starts rolling before they pick up the phone.
	They start recording before that.
	So if you listen to 911 call, he starts frantically uh acting after they say 911, not before.
	So he was like just silent online waiting, and then he starts getting frantic.
	Also testified that Alec and Paul had a close relationship.
	Here's a video of the father and son at Alex's 61st birthday.
	Happy birthday to you!
	Happy birthday to you!
	Happy birthday to you.
	Yeah!
	Would you imagine?
	I'm gonna kill you in a couple years, motherfucker.
	Thank y'all so much.
	Hey, thank you, babe.
	I'm gonna steal all your money and kill you.
	As the Murdoch trial continues, one crime will keep you updated on all the newest developments.
	Reporting all right.
	So now we're gonna go over some evidence photos from the scene.
	As you guys can see.
	I just send you the video.
	Oh, you did?
	Okay, here's some uh the deputy showing up.
	Here's the kennel, you guys can see footprints all over the place.
	Which the defense actually attacked us, guys, because um, and the reason why the defense attacked it.
	Hold on, is this tab muted?
	Oh no, it's just silent.
	Telegram.
	Okay.
	So, yeah, I can see the water spill.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Chain of custody, South Carolina Law Enforcement Division Sled Forensic Services Laboratory Chain of Custody.
	Uh, this is the case number.
	Camel Benelli, black eagle, unfiltered.
	So this is the firearms that they took.
	So this is the firearms that they took.
	Shoes or slides in this case, probably from one of the victims.
	And then here is one of the weapons that were used.
	Okay.
	So I can see huge area where this crime occurred.
	Now, what I want to show you guys as well.
	Is you said you sent me the uh the video of the the footage of the of the police.
	Okay when he called.
	Which one did you send it to on Telegram?
	This one?
	VIP.
	This one.
	Okay.
	Oh, I already played this.
	All right.
	Let me let me go.
	Let me go back.
	So this right here, guys.
	So remember how the guy was showing uh the uh shooting?
	Here is his actual testimony.
	We're gonna play a portion of it because I want to.
	This is this is pretty good stuff.
	So I want y'all to see a little bit more.
	Again, he never made any movement, any movement he made with it was due to gravity pulling his body down to the ground when you sustain an injury to your brain like that, that ceases all movement.
	So he was found outside the feed door, he fell over forward after sustaining that movement.
	Some some wounds are fatal later.
	You can actually see someone that receives a fatal wound, and they I've seen them run a hundred yards.
	Uh they can move for a little while.
	This is not that type of wound.
	Once he received this wound, it ceased all movement.
	Right.
	And did you uh I'm gonna put attachment, excuse me, uh stage 535 up on the screen.
	And uh tell the jury what this particular image reflex, please.
	Yes, sir.
	If you can look at the green funnel that I've added just visually, if you look at that green funnel, that is approximately the shot shale path, uh the shot path from the shot shell after it uh did the injuries to Paul or the direction of the shot from the shot shell.
	And I determined that by shot shell pellet defects that are still in the door, even though the door had been cleaned.
	I went and looked at it myself.
	By the way, there's 18, 11 of you guys watching right now.
	Like the video, man.
	Let's get 1800 likes on this thing, man.
	Okay, we're we're filming this thing for y'all midnight right now, going hard in the paint.
	And we're gonna record another video for you guys after this.
	So you guys have some content when I'm in Vegas.
	So guys, do me a favor, like the video, subscribe to the channel.
	Okay.
	Uh let's get to 1.5k likes.
	We're at 1.2, we can easily get another 300.
	I'll run my own measurements.
	Took the width of the door.
	I took Paul's approximate height.
	Uh it's listed as several different things.
	DM and just so you guys know, Paul was shot first, which is why I'm showing you this because they didn't detail how the sun was shot.
	V shows him at 5'6.
	The pathologist listed him, I believe, at 5'9.
	So I had to split the difference.
	I went somewhere in the middle.
	Then I deducted the distance between the top of your head and the top of your shoulder.
	So I took another foot off.
	Then I took the width of the door, and it was one other thing I looked at, and that was a void pattern that's on the door frame of the door.
	A void patterns caused by something being there when the blood and biological materials are uh let we call it a bloodletting from the wound, and there's a void pattern, which tells me something was in that way, and because of the narrow door, in my opinion, it was Paul.
	So that's what caused that void pattern on that door.
	So I used all of that, and I used a dowel rod and I used a protractor on the uh doorknob side of that door frame, and I ran it up, and that's what helped me establish the angle of that shot pattern.
	All right.
	So as y'all can see it was doing quite a bit of arithmetic to figure this out.
	And we're gonna uh use the images to kind of talk about that a little bit more specifically, but quickly I want to show you 539 and 540 and see if you recognize these images.
	The pellet defects in the door, and this is the approximate center of it here.
	So that's four inches above 72.
	That's approximately 76 inches on an 80-inch door.
	I'm gonna show you stage 536 and explain to the jury what this is, and in particular how that's relevant to uh your conclusion about uh the angle in which Paul suffered the fatal head wound.
	This is the original.
	Yeah, his head was pretty much blown out, guys.
	His brains were everywhere.
	Crime scene pictures, and this is where the pellets took their path.
	This is where they struck and did damage to the door, and you can actually still see the dents that are documented in my photograph.
	You can see them in the original crime scene.
	This is the concentration of blood that's caused by the brain exiting Paul's body in the path of the shot shells, and then you also have biological material, hair and blood here at the top of the door frame.
	And that's where I drew my conclusion.
	You guys can see that right here.
	What they're talking about.
	All kinds of brain matter, bone, hair, everything right there in the corner.
	At some time, those body parts made contact with these sections of the door.
	And my opinion is that it hit here, hit here, and then landed on the sidewalk.
	Looking at states 537.
	Can you explain what the jury's saying in this image and how it relates to your opinion about the manner in which Paul suffered that fatal wound?
	I can with a major blood letting Dr. Kinson.
	Let me ask you to I'm gonna move this podium and I should ask you to step back just a hair so that uh the jurors over here can see what you're what you're saying.
	Yes, sir.
	With a shotgun wound, you know, you you've got hundreds, well, not hundreds, you've got over 800 pellets that are making damage.
	It's not like a projectile, a single projectile from a pistol or a rifle.
	So there's mass damage and it it throws body fluids and blood in several different directions, but they follow the path.
	When I mentioned that it was a void pattern, this is the last blood drop.
	You can see it in the photograph that I can see, and it's uh it's approximately five foot right there, and this is not green tape, that is a digital effect I put on the photograph to show the uh the void I was talking about.
	So it's sometime it's my opinion that Paul was up against that door or real close to that door to keep that blood from striking the door at the point in time that he was shot.
	All right, and the green tape reflects that that blood pad or that uh void area that is consistent with uh Paul blocking that area, is that correct?
	Yes, sir, digital tape, it's not really tape.
	All right, yes, sir.
	So that's that's been added to illustrate your opinion, yes, sir.
	All right, and then uh 538.
	I'm gonna show you this image, and again, uh if you can point out what's been added and and how this uh it relates to the conclusion that you're offering to the jury.
	Yes, sir.
	One thing that I looked at to determine that it happened in the doorway and a little bit outside the doorway, more outside than inside.
	You don't just look for the presence of biological material in blood, you look for the absence of biological material in blood.
	Here at the top, it didn't have a scale or a ruler, so I can't tell you exactly, but looking at some of these other objects, I was able to scale it approximately four inches up here.
	You have a void.
	So I know that it happened, the the second wound happened far enough outside of that door frame that the actual frame kept the biological material from hitting at the very top, right here.
	I also you guys can see the arrows pointing here, right?
	And sometimes, right, and you can see blood here on this side, right?
	Of the cleaning material, but not as much on the other side.
	So that gives the um the forensic analysts, right?
	Something to work with to figure out because it's not just important where the blood is, it's also important where the blood is not, so that you can go ahead and get a good trajectory of where the bullets may have come from and where the victim was standing at the time of the murder and how the murder was actually committed.
	So um, and you guys are probably gonna hear the testimony later on, but from what you can basically tell here, it doesn't seem like Paul had much reaction time before he was shot.
	Look at these items.
	Uh, you got some medication, uh canine medication or some cleaning materials and that kind of thing up here.
	You can see all the spatter at the front of those containers, and then we got what I call a demarcation line right here, and I drew it through most of these.
	It's right here, guys.
	You can see uh this is the demarcation line that he's talking about.
	As you can see, on one side it's clean, on the other side it's pretty dirty with quite a bit of blood hands, and that separates the blood, the blood contaminated area in the clean area.
	So that tells me that it was at least forward of the angle on those containers, and that's why I believe he was shot.
	The second wound happened just outside the door frame, but his feet were probably still in the door frame.
	All right, and just quickly point to the jury if we can we see part of the door frame in this particular image.
	You can, yes, sir, right here.
	All right.
	Umce uh and going back now to states 535, and just for the record, we were just looking at states 538 and 537.
	Uh going back to states 535.
	Uh, did you reach a conclusion as to the location of the shooter on that second fatal shot that Paul suffered to his head?
	Yes, sir.
	I did.
	All right, and explain that to the jury if you would.
	Okay, this is important.
	Now he's gonna give the location of where it was when he got the fatal shot that actually killed them, guys.
	The shooter was right here if you're facing that door to the right of the doorway outside.
	And um, would you have expected there to be uh in that particular range uh any sort of uh biological evidence in that area uh in proximity to the shooter?
	Yes, sir.
	I would with the door frame have potentially blocked any of that as well.
	It would block some, and and just depending on the positioning, how much of the body of the shooter was exposed, because uh, you know, once you have that kind of catastrophic injury, it's real, real, real fine blood blood particles and biological fluids that go in all directions.
	And the closer the shooter was to the muzzle to the exit end of that firearm, the more stuff you would expect.
	Um Let me ask you this.
	In your uh expert opinion, is there any way that Paul's fatal head injury came from the top in a contact fashion or a close fashion?
	No, sir.
	I see no possible way for that.
	And explain your conclusion in that regard to the jury completely.
	What factors weigh against that in your expert opinion.
	Well, number one, I don't know of a way to mimic this blood evidence on this door.
	That pattern where that shot traveled through Paul's shoulder into his jaw into his brain, and then took a path up and place the biological material here at the top of the door.
	Wow.
	So yo, hold on.
	It went through his shoulder into his jaw and then into his brain, guys.
	Traveled through Paul's shoulder into his jaw into his brain, and then took a path up and placed the biological material here at the top of the door.
	If he was shot in the head, then you'd have biological material out here on the ground, or at least going down, you know, on the sidewalk in front of him.
	And it would be different than just free pouring blood.
	You would see this pattern, and you would see those high velocity blood droplets there on the ground.
	And plus the shooter would have to be on the roof to shoot down into him, but you wouldn't have this on the door.
	Bam.
	And that's how he was able to establish that he was shot up.
	Basically, it seemed like he was taken from surprise.
	He was at the doorway, shooters outside the door, shoots him from the side, bullet goes up through the sh through the shoulder, into the jaw, right through the brain, blows the top of his head out, guys.
	Okay.
	So like pretty much this entire part of his head at the top was blown out because the bullet went shoulder, jaw, and then bam, travels upwards this way, which is what he's trying to explain with the bullet trajectory, which the brain matter right on the door signifies that.
	So that's how he was able to come to that conclusion based on uh the injuries as well as the blood splatter, is uh the bullet trajectory, etc.
	All right, and it was a shotgun that did this at close at very close range.
	In your expert opinion, did you see any support uh or evidence in this crime scene that could support that the injuries suffered by Paul were in any manner a suicide or self-inflicted?
	I I don't see the possibility, knowing that it and why did the prosecutor ask that?
	Because he wants to establish that there is no way that this was a self-deletion.
	He wants to establish this was a murder.
	Okay, there's no way that someone could have shot themselves in this way to create that bullet wound pattern, that blood splatter, that uh that trajectory, etc.
	It's not a contact shotgun wound, and I'm I'm fairly strong, and I'm I'm bigger than Paul.
	And notice how he said it's not a contact shotgun wound for you to actually commit self-deletion with a shotgun, the gun is big, guys.
	Okay, it's very awkward to you know delete yourself with a shotgun.
	You'd have to like put it like this, and it'd have to basically touch your face so you can actually pull the trigger and and actually do it, right?
	So it's got to be right up on you.
	But he's saying it wasn't a contact shot, so there's no way that it could have been done that way.
	OK, this is very important for the prosecution to establish that self-deletion was not the cause of demise here.
	I was and I don't know of any way you could hold that shotgun out.
	Thank you.
	And and shoot yourself in that direction at that see.
	There you go.
	I didn't even hear this testimony, and I already knew who that's what he was gonna say.
	That angle and put that biological material on top that door like that.
	I don't think it's possible.
	All right, thank you.
	All right, uh, hate key sending you back or some more, but I'm gonna see now he's gonna his arm and calls a now, he's gonna show it with his pole.
	All right, I know I just sent you back.
	I'm gonna bring you back down.
	I'm sorry.
	Uh Guys, like the video by the way, man.
	Hope you guys are enjoying this content, man.
	Breaking this down with y'all showing you guys exactly how this went down.
	I think this is very important to illustrate how the murders went down in the gruesome uh, you know, the gruesome nature of it.
	Before we move on from Paul, uh I would, and if you could just use me as a mannequin, but can you uh uh sort of describe to me your conclusions about the positioning of the of Paul when he suffered that fatal head wound and uh and and just how the the trajectory of that wound uh and that shot as you've uh described and as supported by the evidence as you see it.
	Can I describe it?
	Yes and demonstrate yes, please so jurors can see.
	Uh the second wound that this is where the rubber meets the road, my friends.
	As I mentioned, went in his arm and cause a an injury here, uh a large entrance, exit, entrance, and then of course, exit here.
	So it had to be typically with the kind of non-fatal wound Paul uh suffered to his chest and his arm.
	It's my belief that now his five foot eight frame is dipping or favoring that arm because as you know, that's that's over 20 something entrances and exits.
	I believe it would have hurt him.
	I believe he would have been in pain, and I believe he would have been somewhat affected.
	And the reason I believe that is because I've got the 90 degree blood drops.
	Look at him saying, Oh, it's not me, it's not me.
	I think his reaction here brings him back to the moment where he shot his son, and he remembers because the side of him is like, yo, I did uh you know, he has my son at the end of the day.
	But his reaction, you know, they say a picture's worth of uh a thousand words.
	I think a video is worth even more.
	If he wasn't feeling it, or if it hadn't affected him in some way, I believe his usefulness would have allowed him to get out of there faster.
	But he's moving real slow to the door, so that's gonna drop that angle just a couple inches, and I can demonstrate all right.
	If we can make sure that juror can see, yes, sir.
	Absolutely.
	Alright.
	That woman went in approximately right here.
	It traveled in, out, in, and out in a straight line.
	In a straight line.
	So it always goes in a straight line.
	And then when you're pressing the dial stick there, you're showing the trajectory of the wound, not implying that was a contact wound.
	Is that no sir?
	I'm not.
	I'm I'm not implying it's contact, I'm just showing the level of the wound.
	All right.
	Well, I'm thinking about it.
	Uh the the wound to uh Paul's chest, did it show evidence of stiffling?
	Yes, sir.
	All right, and just very quickly, what is stippling?
	Commonly referred to as tattooing is particles and and material that's in that shell that don't burn up because it's superheated at the time that the powder charge ignites, it doesn't explode, it ignites and burns rapidly, and that's unburnt particles of powder and other contents of that shell.
	They're hot, and when they hit the body, they call stippling, or in the old days they called it tattooing.
	And and that's basically what it is.
	It works as an ink.
	Looking at uh this particular image, uh Paul's about five feet in the feed room when he suffers the first wound, correct?
	Yes, sir.
	That is correct.
	And then he moves towards the door.
	Is that correct?
	That is correct, and suffers the second one somewhere near the door frame on the inside of it.
	Yes, sir, with his shoulder just outside that door frame.
	And when he suffers that second wound, what happens to Paul?
	He falls immediately.
	And where does he fall?
	He falls outside the feed room.
	All right.
	Um let's move on uh now and let's talk a little bit if we can about uh the injuries to Maggie Murdoch.
	If you could okay, so now we we established how the son was murdered in graphic detail.
	Uh now we're gonna go into Maggie, the mom.
	Start out by reminding the jury uh of the injuries that she suffered, and then let's talk about your conclusions as to the manner and the order in which those were suffering.
	Yes, sir.
	All right, so if you could just uh remind us again of those injuries, and if you could go ahead and describe them in the order that your expert opinion they were suffering.
	Yes, sir.
	Miss Maggie Murdoch suffered three non-fatal injuries from a firearm.
	One was through her wrist, one was her left uh upper thigh above the knee, one was with at her abdomen here, and it exited somewhere around her kidneys.
	Now I'm not that kind of doctor.
	I can't tell you all the damage it did inside all those organs and things, but it ran a straight line through her body.
	This one on her left leg and this one on her midsection were approximately the same angle, and they were really, really close in distance.
	One uh had stippling that that said that it was uh a foot closer than the other, but that would probably fit.
	This was either a total separate non-fatal wound, or it could have been a continuation of one of the two fatal wounds.
	Her fatal wounds were she had an abrasion or a burn on the left side of her abdomen on the outside end.
	That bullet followed a straight path, it entered the end of her breast and did extensive damage to the end of her breast, entered her left jaw, side of her face area, and went into her brain.
	That's the first fatal injury, and it was immediate, and she dropped right where she was at.
	I saw no evidence that her body had been manipulated, moved, or rolled over.
	The second phase she was in an enormous amount of pain, guys, with these bullet wounds, by the way.
	Like you can't even believe, and she was alive for Paul.
	His stuff was his death was fairly quick.
	Hers was painful and took a little bit longer.
	The injury was down into her head and it actually did what it did.
	In the day they call a keyhole injury just from appearances.
	The entrance and exit in the top of her head were so close it made one big injury, and then it entered into her upper shoulders and went down into her body.
	That would have also been a fatal wound, but it was second, in my opinion.
	That one came second.
	All right, let's uh let's talk about that a little bit in a little bit more detail.
	Those first two wounds uh that uh that you described.
	Uh, you believe those are the first two wounds she suffered?
	Yes, sir, and possibly three.
	I can't tell you much about this because the arm could have been moving or it could have been here.
	There they are.
	All right, well, let's talk about the thigh wound and the abdomen wound.
	Can you did you have any conclusions about uh the the location of the shooter as those two wounds were were uh um suffered?
	Yes, sir.
	All right, and explain that to the jury for look, please a little bit more right there, all right.
	Left leg out a little bit about here and here and here.
	And in your opinion, were those two shots fired at a in fairly quick succession or around the same time?
	I think it would have been really really difficult to get a similar angle if they weren't.
	Uh all the shooter had to do is raise the weapon or lower the weapon, and you're still on the same plane.
	And then uh those wounds to the abdomen and to the thigh uh reflect the presence of stiffling.
	They did.
	And what is that indicate to you about the distance between Maggie and the shooter when those wounds were suffered?
	I guess four or five feet.
	Okay, fairly close.
	Yes, sir.
	All right, and so that means that she saw her attacker, guys.
	She saw the shooter uh at the time.
	After those two Paul might have not seen his attacker, but she definitely did.
	Two uh wounds were suffered, and again, we'll we'll put aside the wrist wound for for a bit.
	Uh, what would have happened after that in your expert opinion?
	In my opinion, at bare minimum, she would have been over, she would have been in pain.
	I believe sometime in close proximity, she fell to the ground, and that's when the first fatal wound was delivered.
	Would she have been prone on the ground or still somewhat raised above the ground or in a bent over position when that first fatal wound was suffered?
	In my opinion, from the angle she would have been on her knees and had at least one hand on the ground.
	Those first two shots.
	Um, well, let me ask you this.
	Uh, there were obviously six shelf uh shell cases that uh 300 blackout that were used to murder uh Maggie Murdoch found at the scene.
	Is that correct?
	That is correct.
	Explain to the jury is there what conclusions, if any, can you draw about the location of those shell cases?
	Uh if anything.
	Explain that to the jury a little bit.
	Once again, just like with the shotgun, I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but I don't think there are many left-handed AR for AR platforms.
	So generally speaking, the ejection ports could be on the right side.
	I own seven.
	Uh some of them throw it the ship the shell case and a little bit forward, some throw it a little bit back, some throw it perfect 90 degrees to the ejection port.
	If they were always uniform where they come out, if you go target practice, you could place a bucket there and all your shelf cases would drop in the bucket.
	You wouldn't have to bend over and pick up your shell cases.
	Unfortunately, that's not the real world.
	So I don't put a lot into that unless I have the actual weapon, and we can test the weapon with the same ammunition, and you can generally get an idea of where that shellcase is gonna go.
	So, no, sir, I don't pay a lot of attention to it, and I definitely don't think the sequence of from one end to the other or from this end.
	And just so you guys know, let's illustrate this so you guys understand what the hell he's talking about.
	This is what it looks like when a uh bullet is ejected from an air.
	Okay, in slow motion.
	One more time for y'all.
	Fires, bam, ejects right out the side.
	Now, obviously, this is a right-handed firearm because most firearms are right-handed, but you know, you would just reverse it on the left-hand side.
	But this is what it looks like for people out there, so you have a uh a visual representation of what he the guy is talking about.
	Like the video, guys.
	All right, we're going deep in this thing.
	Pause.
	All right, like the video.
	I see we got uh 1800 plus y'all watching, but we only got 1.3k likes.
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	All right.
	And to this end means that's necessarily the movement of the shooter.
	Gotcha.
	All right.
	Um, you said that when she suffered that first fatal wound, in your opinion.
	I mean, she would have been over and and perhaps been on her hands and knees.
	Is that correct?
	Yes, sir.
	All right, I'm gonna get down on my hands and knees, and if you could come around here and kind of show me where the trajectory of that wound would have gone, uh, the first wound that uh was fatal for Maggie Murdoch.
	I guess you're all right.
	So, guys, all right.
	That's a recap real quick here.
	So she gets shot twice, okay?
	She gets shot in the uh, it looks like the abdomen and the leg or the thigh.
	All right.
	Obviously, at this point, you're gonna fall right to the ground.
	You your leg's gonna give out your, you know, you get shot in the in the stomach, and oh god, you're gonna hunch over, right?
	So now we're gonna go into the demonstration of what occurs after Maggie hits the floor.
	Come behind me, yes, sir.
	In full detail.
	We saw an excerpt of it from the other one, but now we're gonna see in full detail.
	So the shooter sees her, uh, shoots her.
	At this point, she's probably pleading, please don't kill me, please don't kill me, etc.
	etc.
	And you know, this just think about the callousness you have to have to be able to walk around and shoot the individual again from the back.
	You probably don't want to look at her as he did this right there.
	The shooter was right here, approximately right here.
	All right, and show us the trajectory as it went uh through Maggie into her brain.
	Yes, it burnt or raised to her stomach outside to inside, went through the end of her breast, into her jaw, and then into her brain.
	And what would have been the effect on her once that shot was suffered?
	She would have immediately fell down with the front of her body.
	All right, and that is the position her arms were in the original crime scene photographs.
	And while I'm down here, so I don't have to get up again.
	Tell me about the fatal shot, the position of the shear as the evidence indicates to you.
	The second shot was not as close, but it still wasn't a long distance.
	It was approximately here into the crown of the head.
	Bam.
	So he walked, he shot her up front, right?
	So he shoots her up front twice.
	Bang bang, right?
	And the in the ab and in the leg.
	Goes behind her, shoots again.
	Then he walks in front of her and shoots her a third time, guys.
	All right.
	And obviously, you know, he's doing maybe one or two taps as he's doing this.
	So this is wild, right?
	Probably want to see her.
	She was looking at him saying, Don't shoot me.
	Goes behind her, shoots her.
	She falls on the floor at that point because it hit her brain.
	So at that point, all motor function is pretty much gone.
	And then he has to do obviously the final.
	And comes and shoots her from the front.
	Sick bastard.
	Tick fuck.
	Yeah, bro.
	Holy.
	Now, I also want to let y'all know that at this point, him and his wife were not living together, and they were having marital issues, guys.
	They definitely were.
	He actually called her to go see her, see him.
	Good point.
	Yes, that is true.
	She had he had called her because they had not been speaking.
	She was living at another house at the time, guys.
	And he called her.
	I think it was to go see his his dying father, correct?
	Yes.
	One of his dying parents.
	Both of his parents are old and sick.
	So uh no, uh, Randolph.
	He's dad.
	Uh that's what it was.
	Yes, right.
	Okay.
	So that's who he wanted her to go see.
	And she she went and she showed up.
	And this is what ended up happening.
	And uh use the Dallas tech to show that injury that Maggie suffered.
	Hey, Angie, can you do me a favor?
	Can you go ahead and do what you do best and grab the crime scene photos for this and we'll put them in the in the description for them?
	Yeah, sure.
	We'll we'll get you guys the unedited crime scene photos.
	I won't be able to show them here, but I know some y'all are probably requesting them.
	So uh Angie, we'll go ahead and dig them up for you.
	Yeah, you sick bastards.
	She's good at fighting them.
	Ian out, Ian in that line.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Bam, and that explains the uh the shooting.
	Okay, guys.
	Now you guys know in graphic detail how it was done.
	All right.
	So the other thing I want to go over with y'all is we're gonna go over the phone data, which was very important.
	Okay, deleting phone calls, text messages, all that blah blah.
	So let's go into it.
	All right, welcome back to Long Crime, everybody.
	I'm Jesse Weber, and thanks for joining us.
	We're waiting to jump back live into the Alec Murdoch trial, the man accused of murdering his wife Maggie and son Paul on the property in June 2021.
	Right now, it is all about the defendant's cell phone, and I want to break that down.
	I'm joined by two special guests.
	I think we're working on getting forensic death investigator Joseph Scott Morgan.
	And if you guys were watching FedEx, y'all already know the importance of cell phones and how critical they are to investigations.
	Okay, it's a big reason why serial killers back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s weren't getting caught like that.
	Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, etc.
	They're able to do all this craziness because uh the advent of the modern cell phone was not around to track these sick fucks down, but now they are okay.
	Cell phones is the reason why YNW Melly is gonna go to jail, all right, guys.
	Very powerful evidence because it could pin you down literally to the foot.
	But right now we do have with us criminal defense attorney and host of the defense diaries podcast of Bob Mata.
	Bob, good to see you.
	Thanks for coming on.
	So we've heard a lot of interesting testimony today about Alec Murdoch's cell phone, something that is usually attached to us.
	We've learned about A, which I thought was really interesting, that the calls that he allegedly made to Maggie were wiped away from his call log.
	The reason we know those exist because if you look at her call log, they exist.
	That's A. B. We learned about the recorded steps with the phone, which A, you know, it makes me wonder if these steps were happening when he said he had was taking a nap at the house, and why there are so many steps at really curious moments, and also about how many messages he read and when he read them.
	What are you taking away from this testimony?
	To me, uh, it's the strongest evidence they put forth so far.
	I mean, it it's it's damning in the sense that it looks like there's way too much going on.
	You know, I mean, when when you look at the amount of steps that were taken, it just doesn't look like the guy was calling his wife.
	So it's gonna be problematic.
	I mean, they're gonna have to try to dismantle the defense.
	Uh it's gonna have to try to dismantle what's what's going on with this because why the phone information stands even stronger is because he claimed that he was not there.
	It it it stinks of impropriety to say the least.
	Um, and I'm a defense attorney.
	If I was his attorney, I'd be concerned about that.
	But you know, they can't be shocked about it either.
	That this isn't as much as his attorney seemed to have a hard time understanding yesterday during the testimony exactly what the codes meant.
	Um, you know, this isn't a shock for them.
	I'm I'm anticipating that they'll have some kind of way to try to offset what I consider to be very damaging evidence.
	So again, just to give you an idea, Joseph, 74 steps recorded between 805 and 809, 283 steps recorded between 902 and 906 is when we believed after the killings happened, and then at 908 is when Alec Murdoch texts his wife saying he's gonna go see his mother.
	What stands out to you?
	Well, uh I think that you know it it it does uh our colleague mentioned smacking of impropriety, you know.
	You begin to think about uh his actions uh uh certainly leading up, but then afterwards.
	Um, you know, and what how how how in the world would would these things be wiped on his end?
	I do know this.
	I've gotten a peek at potential witness list in this case, and it is rather robust on the defensive side relative to electronic evidence.
	I think that that's that's something that we're gonna be seeing uh because uh, you know, as was mentioned, um, this is a fire that the defense is going to have to put out, they're going to have to address it.
	And one other thing, uh um, prosecution is gonna have to do a very good job of keeping this very simple, not getting into the weeds with a lot of the technical data, but really preaching to the jury about what this means in a very basic level.
	I agree with you.
	And talking about one of the complications for the prosecution's cases, we don't have the murder weapons, right?
	Those murder weapons weren't recovered.
	That brings me to John Bettingfield, who was uh actually assembled certain weapons for the defendant.
	Now, before you say, Oh my goodness, what are you talking about?
	Well, this is a family that had a lot of weapons on their property.
	So the idea put forward by the prosecution is we might not have the murder weapons, but I tell you what we do have.
	We can match the ammunition that was found near the bodies uh with the ammunition that was found on different parts of the property, and we can make the assumption that the family murder weapons are the murder, or the family weapons are the murder weapons.
	Let's go back to John Bettingfield.
	This is him actually being cross-examined by the defense from yesterday.
	Let's listen to where they went.
	You mentioned that you and Alec Murdoch are um related.
	Um, how are you related?
	Our grandmothers were sisters.
	Okay, does that make and you're I'll call a second cousins.
	We're cousins.
	Your your fathers were first cousins, right?
	Correct.
	Okay.
	And you spend over the years you spend time with Alec and the boys?
	I have.
	Not a lot with Alec, mostly with John Marvin.
	And you go, have you been camping with Alec and the boys at um I think that'd be dad used to host a big camp every year?
	I have.
	And you've been fishing with him?
	Not much.
	Been hunting with him?
	No, sir, not Ellie.
	Okay, I have a John.
	Right.
	Um you've known Alec for quite some time.
	My entire life.
	Are you um you uh well, a gift of some eight thousand dollars is a pretty nice gift for two boys, right?
	Yes, sir.
	Um did you ever observe Alec around the sons?
	What kind of relationship they had?
	I have.
	And how would you describe their relationship?
	It was always good.
	I mean, he would when he called me, he was excited about getting these for his boys.
	And it was a big Christmas for them.
	All right.
	One second, is it um less expensive to buy a 300 blackout directly from Pellmont State Armory rather than have you build one?
	It can be, depending on configuration.
	And all the any accessories that get added.
	And okay.
	And we're looking now on the first page.
	Uh describe to the jury what that is, please.
	That is the cancel check from Ellie for the original two farms.
	For the original two?
	Yes, sir.
	And what's the price on that, please?
	I can bring it to you.
	I got it.
	9,188.
	All right.
	And what's the date on holy?
	Those are some expensive guns.
	I'm sorry.
	What's the date on that?
	1223 16.
	And this is this a record that you kept in accordance with your FFL obligations?
	The check, no, sir.
	We retrieved that from my bank.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	You recognize that.
	Tell me what that is, please.
	That is the check for the third replacement.
	300 blackout to Maggie murder.
	That's the check she wrote to me.
	All right.
	What's the amount on that one?
	$875.
	All right.
	So the first one for two of them was $9,188, correct?
	Yes, sir.
	And the second one is only $875.
	Is that right?
	Yes, sir.
	My man spent over 10K to make this happen.
	The difference between those that the second one didn't have the optic and didn't have the suppressor.
	Is that part of the difference?
	Yes, sir.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We'll talk about that in a second, but right now I want to bring in Lauren Long Crime Correspondent Gigi McKelvy, who is outside of that courthouse in Walterboro, South Carolina.
	Gigi, it's good to see you.
	What a morning, right?
	I mean, what did you take away from and what did you learn that we didn't know before about Alec Murdoch's phone?
	Good morning, Jesse.
	Well, we've learned that Alec largely deleted most of the calls he made that night, except for one to Rogan, who had his dog there at the kennels.
	Other than that, it seems every other phone call he made was deleted from his cell phone.
	And what about the the hmm the tracking location?
	Because I thought the amount of steps were interesting.
	They they went through a whole list of time frames and how many steps and and obviously it's not an exact science, but it does tell us something.
	And the things that I'm thinking about, well, how does that match up to what his alibi is, which is he never went down to the kennels, he fell asleep after dinner, right?
	That says the last time he saw his family was dinner, then he goes to visit his mother, then tries to call Maggie, then comes back, goes to the kennels and discovers the body.
	What what are those what is the tracking of the steps on the cell phone tell us?
	Well, what's interesting to me is the most steps that he took was between 9 02 and 9 06 p.m., which is when he says he left to go see his mother.
	That was 283 steps.
	Apparently, he said he leaves the house, gets in his car.
	It's a lot of steps from the house to the car, it seems, and everybody kind of was looking around thinking, yeah, that that's a long distance to walk just to go to your car.
	And there was also information I thought it was interesting about what his general activity is in terms of when he reads messages, which I gotta tell you, I didn't even know there was a science to it, but I'm sure if you look at anybody's cell phone, there's probably a pattern.
	There was a pattern with him.
	Is it any different uh during the night in question?
	It is.
	They said that normally he would read text messages anywhere between five to forty minutes after they were received, but the group text, which involved the condition of his father being in the hospital, wasn't read until the next day after the murders.
	So so walk me through this.
	I've been of the opinion that the prosecution has done a really strong job of showing when these killings happened.
	Can you walk us through based on what we've seen so far in this case, including today?
	Can we be def are we pretty sure that the killings happen at eight around 8 50 p.m.?
	Well, yeah, because what you have is Maggie reading her last text at 8 49 p.m. and 27 seconds.
	Paul's last text that he read was just 30 seconds or so after that, and then no more activity from either phone.
	So it lets you know sometime after 849 p.m. is likely when those murders occurred, and we have Alec leaving the house at 1006.
	Okay, and that is 906.
	I'm sorry.
	Right, and and I think he calls 911, what, an hour later at 1006 or something like that.
	So walk me through why it's so important they're leading up.
	See how the timeline doesn't make sense, guys?
	They died at around 850 p.m., but he didn't call the police until over an hour later.
	And all these steps in between.
	What was he doing?
	To this because what the big finale is, not even the big finale, but like the crescendo of their case is gonna be that video from Paul.
	That video that was taken on his phone.
	What time was that video?
	Is it 8 44?
	Is it 8 47?
	I can't seem to recall.
	And on the video is allegedly, you can hear Alec Murdoch with him at the kennels, which would contradict what he told police, but also place them at the crime scene.
	Walk us through what we should expect from the timing of that video and why it's important.
	Well, that was around 8 44 that Paul took that cell phone video of his friend's dog.
	Now, here we have the last text being read just a couple of minutes after that, then no activity.
	So you have a three or four minute window there where we know Alec is there by the dog kennels at 844, and within three or four minutes, the last texts are read by both Maggie and Paul, and no more activity from their phone.
	So I think it kind of starts to get a picture of exactly when those murders could have allegedly happened at the hand of Alec Murdoch.
	Gigi, what's the environment like in the courtroom?
	I mean, are the jurors and I would say it's the most accurate because the reality is people are glued to their phones.
	So if the phone locks and it hasn't been open for a significant amount of time, and you know the individual that was deceased in that period of time, it's fair to say at that point, it's probably closer to the time the phone locked that that individual probably may have been uh incapacitated.
	Okay.
	So and then on top of that, uh, you know, you have the forensics that show how long they had been the time of death, you got the bullet uh trajectories, you got the wounds, etc.
	Uh, and then you got his multiple steps in the area, contrary to what he had told the police.
	This is this case, guys, is heavily circumstantial.
	Now, what does a circumstantial case mean?
	It means that on one piece of evidence alone, it's not enough.
	However, when you go ahead and put all the pieces of evidence together, it starts to create a puzzle for you, and it illustrates what more than likely happened and how whatever was purported to have been happen to have happened could not have happened.
	So, in this case, your boy Murdoch says, I wasn't there, blah, blah, blah.
	But you find out that he was lying.
	Okay, well, the fact that he was lying shows that he's not credible, which we're gonna talk about here in a second when he takes a stand, which was definitely.
	I was gonna ask you to write that down.
	Yeah, we're gonna play some of that as well.
	But the point is is that circumstantial evidence.
	A lot of the times, what it does is it paints a picture that it could not have been except for this scenario that we're displaying for you guys here, because all this evidence by itself might not be strong enough, but it is significant and irrefutable, and we'll put together with other pieces of circumstantial evidence.
	It paints the picture, right?
	And unlocks the real story of what happened, contrary to what the defendant is saying.
	That's the power of circumstantial uh evidence.
	You look at the YW Melly case, which I suggest you guys should all go watch that as well.
	Very similar case where he's denying killing his two friends, but when you look at the bullet wounds, the bullet trajectory, uh, the lies that they made, the witness testimony, etc.
	It all contradicts the physical evidence.
	So you don't have to have a murder weapon, guys, a lot of the times to be able to prove that someone committed the act.
	Paying careful attention to this cell phone evidence.
	Sometimes it can be a bit dry.
	Sometimes you can see jurors kind of fading interest and, you know, Oh, not fall, you know, hopefully not falling asleep.
	Uh do they seem attentive?
	They seem very attentive.
	It's a little hard to keep up with the times because they're being said so quickly, but they are all ears.
	Nobody has really moved.
	Everybody's kind of just sitting in their seat hanging on every word of this expert.
	Very intriguing stuff.
	And now we actually have a display in the courtroom.
	We can see the non-graphic exhibits.
	But yeah, I mean, it's really starting to put a little bit of that picture together, at least nailing down the time of those murders.
	We think.
	I'll tell you, I I think today was more interesting than yesterday.
	Uh, there's only so much more.
	I could hear about 300 blackout rounds and different kinds of ammunition.
	It's important, but again, you don't have the murder weapons.
	Uh it's kind of uh remember what the purpose of it was.
	This is fine very fascinating.
	And the reason why they suck so much on the 300 blackout guys are probably wondering why do they care so much about this 300 blackout?
	Because it's a fairly rare round that isn't used often.
	Let's uh Gigi, thank you so much.
	I know you have to jump back in the courtroom.
	Appreciate reporting.
	Great reporting as always.
	We're gonna take a quick break when we all right.
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	I'm not surprised that they ever didn't sword.
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	All right.
	So uh this is uh Alex Murdo taking a stand, guys.
	Um, and this is an excerpt from him taking a stand, which I tell y'all all the time taking a stand as a defendant is one of the dumbest things that you could do, quite frankly.
	Very you stupid.
	But at the end of the day, uh the defendant ultimately chooses if they want to take the stand, which he chose to take the stand.
	Stupid as a lawyer, I don't know why the hell he took the stand, but I guess he probably looked at it like yo, it's a hail marry.
	Let me get on the stand anyway, because I want to be able to give the jury my take on the situation.
	But what does that do?
	That opens them up to cross-examination from the prosecution, which is typically where you take a big L. Yeah, really.
	Mr. Murdoch, is that you?
	So this is the defense counsel.
	There, this is on direct on the Kennel video at 8 44 p.m. on June 7th, the night Maddie Maggie and Paul were murdered.
	It is.
	Were you in fact at the Kennels at 8 44 p.m. on the night Maggie and Paul were murdered?
	I was okay.
	So this is a defense by the this is a strategy by the defense.
	They know that the prosecution is about to attack the hell out of them and call him a liar.
	So they're getting ahead of it, and they're saying, Okay, tell us, were you there?
	Yes, you were.
	Now they're gonna ask him more than likely, and I haven't even seen this, so I'm just predicting here.
	Let's see if I'm right.
	They're gonna probably ask him an open-ended question and ask him in his own words to explain why he lied so that he can give uh a sympathy-based response to the jury.
	Remember, guys, the jury are human beings, okay.
	Uh, if you can appeal to the fields, you might be able to go ahead and beat the real, which in this case, we know that this dude killed his family.
	So let's keep going.
	Did you lie to Sled Agent Owen and Deputy Laura Rutland on the night of June 7th?
	And told them that you stayed at the house after dinner.
	I did lie to them.
	Did you lie to Agent Owen and Agent Croft on the follow-up interview on June 10th?
	That the last time you saw Maggie and Paul was at dinner.
	I did lie to them.
	Boom muckard.
	And in the interview of August 11th, did you tell Agent Owen and Agent Kroll?
	Did you lie to them by telling them that you were not down at the Kennels on that night?
	Yes.
	Boom muckard.
	Alec, why did you lie?
	Now, this is where the defense is gonna go ahead and posture and make a stand for why he lied to defend against the prosecution's eminent beating that they're about to give this guy on the stand.
	Last time you saw Maggie and Paul.
	As my addiction evolved over time, I would get any situations or circumstances where I would get paranoid thinking.
	It might be a look somebody gave me.
	It might be a reaction somebody had to something I did.
	Um it might be a policeman following me in a car.
	Um that night, June 7th, after finding Mags and Paul.
	Don't talk to anybody without Danny with you.
	All my partners were just repeatedly telling me that I had a deputy sheriff taking gunshot tests from my hands.
	I'm sitting in a police car with David Owen asking me about my relationship with my wife and my son.
	And all those things coupled together after finding them, coupled with my distrust for sled, caused me to have paranoid thoughts.
	Normally, when these paranoid thoughts would hit me, I could take a deep breath real quick, just think about it, reason my way through it, and just get past it really quickly.
	On June the 7th, I wasn't thinking clearly.
	I don't think I was capable of reason.
	There's his son in the shot right there, Buster.
	And I lied about being down there.
	And that is not a joke, that is his real name.
	And I'm so sorry that I did.
	I'm sorry to my son, Buster.
	I'm sorry to Grandma and Papa T. I'm sorry to both of our families.
	Most of all, I'm sorry to Max and Papa.
	I would never intentionally do anything to hurt either one of them.
	Ever.
	Ever.
	Did you continue lying after that night?
	Did you not?
	Once I lied, I continued to lie.
	Wow.
	So just to sum this up for y'all, the reason why he lied was because he was on the drugs, paranoid, and didn't trust the sled agents.
	That is why he lied to law enforcement.
	Yeah.
	Boom book.
	You know, oh, what a tangled web we weave.
	But once I told a lie, and I told my family, I had to keep lying.
	Alex, tell the jury what happened on the evening of June 7th.
	Starting when you met up for Paul.
	I've been at work that day, uh a fairly normal day.
	Um, start in the morning or sure starting the morning.
	Um just regular morning.
	Maggie was leaving to go out of town.
	Um she was she was going to a doctor's appointment.
	And all right.
	So yeah, I just woke up the story, right?
	Now we're gonna go ahead and go into the cross examination from the prosecutors.
	This is 22-minute video, but we're not gonna play the whole thing.
	We're gonna uh skim through this thing.
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	All right, everybody to understand I do not dispute that I stole money that was not my money, that I misled people to do that, that I misled people that trusted me.
	Alec Murdoch on the hot seat under cross-examination.
	Is he telling the truth or is he lying?
	The jury will have to decide.
	And here's the problem when you take the stand when you've already been proven to be a liar.
	All your testimony is going to be considered what?
	Stop the cap.
	I mean Jeanette Lee.
	You're no longer a credible witness.
	And welcome to Law and Crime Sidebar podcast.
	One of the first things that Creighton Waters, the assistant attorney general representing the state of South Carolina, did when he was cross-examining Alec Murdoch.
	Assistant Attorney General.
	Was ask him about his claim that he didn't trust Sled, and that's why he lied about being at the kennels on the night of the murders.
	It's curious because the Murdoch family has basically been a part of law enforcement for a century in the area.
	Murdoch was a volunteer assistant solicitor and carried a couple of badges, one belonging to him and one belonging to his grandfather.
	He was asked about carrying one when he and his dad showed up at the hospital on the night of the boat crash involving his son Paul.
	I'll show you what's been marked as states 569.
	And you recognize the person on the right in that image?
	No, sir.
	You don't recognize that.
	I I don't recognize him.
	No, I'm asking about that.
	Oh, me?
	Is that you?
	Yeah, it looks like me.
	All right.
	What's hanging out of your pocket in plain game?
	Looks like a badge.
	You didn't recall that until I just showed you that picture.
	No, sir, I did not.
	Your Honor offer states 569 and the evidence.
	Okay.
	So now he's starting to destroy his testimony.
	Oh, you don't trust police, but you're walking around with a badge.
	Gotcha, bitch.
	Here we go.
	That's you in the white shirt.
	Is that right?
	Yes, sir, it is.
	And this is the badge hanging out of your pocket.
	You remember which is that correct?
	Looks to be, yes, sir.
	Which badge is that?
	Which one of the two?
	Do you remember?
	Nah, you can't tell from here.
	Okay.
	Why'd you have it hanging out of your pocket like that?
	I don't remember having that.
	I don't know.
	You don't remember that.
	I I don't remember that, no, sir.
	Did you generally walk around with your badge hanging out of your pocket?
	Generally speaking, no, sir, I did not.
	Or only when you wanted some advantage from it.
	Did I want some advantage from wearing it like that?
	Did I hang it out of my pocket when I wanted an advantage?
	I may have.
	Okay.
	I certainly may have.
	What advantage did you want?
	When?
	Then I don't even recall this, Mr. Waters, but it if I was wanting some advantage as you say it, I I guess, and I don't remember this, but I guess I would want you know, as I said, a badge has a warming effect with other law enforcement.
	And so if I was seeking any advantage, as you say, then I guess that would be what it was.
	All right, so we got the badge.
	See how we danced around it, but he basically came to the final conclusion, like I want preferential treatment because I'm a murder.
	Maybe accidentally hanging out of your pocket, you won't concede that you did that purposefully.
	I mean, Mr. Waters, if you want me to say I did that on purpose, I don't have a problem with that.
	I'm saying I don't remember that.
	All right.
	So can I tell you that I did that on purpose?
	No, sir.
	I can't.
	Can I say that that this happened by accident?
	No, sir.
	I can't.
	What I can say is I don't remember it, and that's not how I would normally that's just not how I would normally.
	You know, this it's just not that's not something I did.
	That's not a normal thing.
	So I don't know.
	When asked by Creighton Waters, Alec Murdoch says he was aware there was a criminal investigation underway into the investigation of the boat crash, and the claim that Alec Murdoch tried to influence the witnesses, the victims of that boat crash by getting them to not talk to law enforcement, among other things.
	Another really big moment on cross-examination happened when Alec Murdoch claimed that he wanted to meet with law enforcement after his arrest to tell them about his opioid addiction and other things involving the financial crimes.
	But Creighton Waters said there was no such meeting requested.
	Alec Murdoch didn't want to do that, and he simply changes his story to fit the evidence.
	And Mr. Waters, just to be clear, I was begging for a meeting with y'all to try to bring this to a close, to talk to y'all about everything up until the time that y'all charged me with hurting Maggie and Paul.
	Now, after that point in time, I stopped, obviously.
	You were complaining that you were begging for a meeting, and you were...
	But you admit the information was never conveyed that you wanted to change your story after multiple interviews with law enforcement about what happened that night, including the most important fact of all, which is when the last time you supposedly saw your wife and son alive was.
	I don't know exactly what was conveyed or not to you because I wasn't part of it.
	All I know is what I was trying to do was to sit down.
	I understood to bring all this to a close that y'all would want me to sit down and go through all of these financial things, all of these things that I've done wrong, and to try to bring that to a close.
	Yeah, seriously.
	Stop the cap.
	He ain't doing that.
	He's a lawyer.
	He knows anything that he says to the police will be used against him in a court of law.
	He's not stupid.
	He ain't doing that.
	I was repeatedly trying to sit down with y'all.
	The reality is, Mr. Murdoch, it's the reason why no one's ever heard that before.
	It's because you had to sit in this courtroom and hear your family and your friends, one after the other, come in and testify that you were on that kennel video.
	So you, like you've done so many times over the course of your life, had to back up and make a new story that kind of fit with the facts that can't be denied.
	Isn't that true, sir?
	No, sir.
	That's not true.
	You've done that over and over again over the years with all of this that we've been talking about, haven't you?
	I've done what over and over again?
	The second that you're confronted with facts that you can't deny, you immediately come up with a new lie.
	Isn't that correct?
	Mr. Waters, we've established I have lied many times, but I can't sit here and tell you that...
	What are you talking about?
	Facts that I can't deny that I I would disagree with that proposition that you're putting out that that was what I did all the time.
	in doing that I admit again that I have lied to people that trusted me okay
	So we can agree that the prosecution and law enforcement, and so many of your friends and family heard for the first time your story about the kennels yesterday after all these weeks of testimony.
	Can we agree on that?
	My partners and my friends heard me say that for the first time.
	Yes, I agree with that.
	I think everyone watching This case has been wondering where did all of the money go?
	They between 8 million and 10 million dollars that Alec Murdoch has admitted to stealing from clients as he's testified.
	He was questioned about his lifestyle and whether or not he considered himself living a wealthy lifestyle.
	Would you concede with me that not all of this money was going to pills at this point in time?
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	All right.
	All the stolen money.
	No, I doubt that it was.
	Okay.
	And it was being used to support your wealthy lifestyle.
	Well, I haven't looked at all these documents to know exactly what was being spent where, but here's what I do know.
	I know that I was making a bunch of money, and I should have had I should have had uh more money than I did.
	And I know that I was spending a bunch of money on pills, and I know that you know, I just I don't remember in 2011 if those land I just can't remember those land deals, but you know, if if I spent money on other things, I don't dispute that either.
	I just haven't looked at the records.
	Okay, but you would at least concede that the money you were stealing was going to support your ever expanding wealthy lifestyle.
	Would you concede that all of the money I stole?
	Any of it, Mr. Murdoch.
	Any of it, yeah.
	I would certainly agree that there was money that that didn't go to buy just pills.
	All right, and you would concede that even though you were generating millions of dollars in fees, that was not enough for you.
	Would you concede that?
	If if by concede that, you mean was I also stealing money that I shouldn't have?
	Yes, sir.
	I agree with that.
	I've said that repeatedly.
	We know that Alec Murdoch has stolen from many clients.
	One of them was a teenager.
	Creighton Waters questioned Alec Murdoch about that.
	Let's talk about uh let's start with Natasha Thomas.
	Do you remember her?
	I did.
	How old was she when she became your client?
	I'm not sure she was young.
	She was a teenager.
	I'm not sure, but I know she was young.
	She was underage, correct?
	But yes, she was underage.
	I do believe that.
	All right.
	I know that.
	And can you tell me what the uh she was injured in a in this wreck with uh in an automobile wreck, correct?
	Yes, and the company Michelin, that was uh one of the uh defendants for an alleged tire issue.
	Is that correct?
	That is correct.
	All right, and do you remember how much Natasha Thomas got in that particular case?
	And I can show it to you on 334.
	You remember how much she got as a gross settlement?
	I believe it shows two million two million dollars.
	Two million dollars, all right.
	how much were your or pmp these fees that would be attributed to you and that out of that two million dollars Eight hundred thousand dollars.
	Eight hundred thousand dollars.
	Yes, sir.
	All right, excuse me.
	Yes, sir.
	All right, and so that would be eight hundred thousand dollars in fees that would get attributed to you.
	That has nothing to do with the money that you subsequently stole from that teenager.
	Correct?
	Now look oh whoa, man, they know something else.
	Gotcha, bitch.
	The eight hundred thousand is different from money that I stole.
	Yes.
	That's correct.
	All right, so you got eight hundred thousand dollars attributed to you with the firm, but that was not enough.
	You also stole money from that teenager.
	Is that correct?
	That is correct.
	All right, when you did that, did you sit down with her, much as you sat down with this jury and explained to her what was going on while you were stealing her money?
	Uh uh that would be the normal process, but I I nope.
	I certainly don't remember specifically doing it.
	That would be the normal process, correct?
	That would be it may be a little different with a teenager, but certainly I mean you would sit down with them across the table and go through these documents, Correct.
	If if that would not be abnormal, yes, sir.
	All right.
	And then you would try you would explain to them what was going on and how they were getting everything they were entitled to, correct?
	If I was the one doing it, yes, sir.
	And you would look them in the eye while you did that, correct?
	It wouldn't be unusual for me to look them in the eye.
	While you were doing some fast talking to a teenager, correct.
	I certainly was not telling her the truth.
	I don't know if I was talking fast or slow, but I wasn't telling the truth.
	Creighton Waters that boy boom muka took the money from her, bro.
	Also asked Alec Murdoch about what he was doing the weekend before the murders.
	And basically, Murdoch and his wife Maggie were in Columbia for a baseball game.
	But Alec Murdoch was spending a lot of time in the hotel.
	Guys, we're still at 1.5k likes, man.
	Get it to 1700, goddammit.
	Come on, man.
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	And Waters suggested he may have been doing that because he was agitated.
	All right.
	Tell the jury where were you when these sets were taking place?
	I was in the hotel.
	And where what city were you in?
	Columbia, South Carolina.
	All right.
	And where were they?
	Um I'm not exactly sure where they were when they first started, but they would have been somewhere between a hotel, a restaurant, and the ball field.
	All right.
	But when you send this text on June 6th at 1141, you say y'all in seat already, correct?
	Yes, that's what I did say.
	All right, and they say yeah, Maggie says yes.
	We like these seats.
	Is that correct?
	All right, that's correct.
	I didn't notice that.
	So at that point in time, they are in the ballpark.
	All right, and then you respond better than last night.
	They extended checkout to one.
	Gonna come then.
	Is that correct?
	That's what that text says, yes, sir.
	All right, so you're back at the room.
	Is that right?
	Yes, sir.
	Later on, you text after she asks you to bring a charger and says Muggy, you text, I'm dreading it.
	See you in a little bit.
	Is that correct?
	That's what I said, yes, sir.
	She responds, don't come, but then asks about the charger and says it's hot.
	Is that correct?
	Uh Mr. Waters, uh yes, I assume you were reading it exactly, so yes, sir.
	All right.
	She eventually responds.
	Not crowded, but not the place to come if you don't feel well, very hot and muggy.
	We are inside sitting at the bar very nice indoors.
	Is that correct?
	That's what it says, yes, sir.
	And then you respond, I'll do by accident.
	They are making me leave, so I'll see y'all in a food few.
	Is that correct?
	That's correct.
	And who was making you leave where?
	Uh it was check it was past checkout time at the hotel.
	After you gotten an extended checkout, correct?
	It appears so.
	And the reality is is that you were in that hotel suffering from withdrawals when that's going on.
	Is that correct?
	I was beginning to, yes, sir.
	All right.
	And the reality is that your wife and your son were on you at that time period because they had found pills just a few weeks prior.
	No, sir, that's not correct.
	Then Creighton Waters moved on to the lead up to that kennel video on the day of the murders.
	The all-important which is not true because they definitely did see the pills, and Paul had texted him saying, Hey, mom found the pills and she's not happy.
	So that was the cat from him.
	Kennel video taken at 8 44 p.m.
	Murdoch talked about eating dinner with Paul and Maggie before Paul and Maggie went down to the kennels.
	And what did you do after that?
	I came back out, sat out on the couch to eat dinner.
	What about what time was that?
	A few minutes later.
	I mean, it didn't take me long to shower.
	And you say Paul was already eating at that point?
	was.
	You say he left first.
	What I said is he got up and he finished eating and he left our immediate vicinity.
	Now, I don't believe he left at that point given what I've looked at time records and I believe that he was around the house for a little bit longer.
	And just to be clear again, But I didn't see him.
	All of this detail was people were hearing for the first time yesterday, like we talked about before, correct.
	Say that again.
	All of this detail that we're going through right now is not anything that you related before.
	We're all hearing this for the first time yesterday.
	Objection, Your Honor.
	Fifth Amendment privilege.
	Objection is overruled.
	So yes, I I did not tell law enforcement.
	That's his future.
	crickets
	Actually, I don't think law enforcement asked me what I did when we first went to the house, but I clearly lied to law enforcement about what I what I said yesterday.
	Okay.
	And all of this, the last time you saw your supposedly saw your wife and child, all of this detail.
	You you as a lawyer and a prosecutor didn't think that was important to offer on your own.
	You told this jury how cooperative you were been you've been and how much information you want to provide, but you left out the most important parts, didn't you?
	I left out I left out that I sure did.
	You don't consider that one of the most important.
	I think it's important.
	Now, since the murders happened, Alec Murdoch has never mentioned being down at the kennels with Paul and Maggie.
	But on the stand, uh, he had to admit it because his voice is on the video.
	We've all heard it.
	That kennel video happened and was taken by Paul at 8 44 p.m.
	Nobody knew about that video until March of 2022, almost a year after the murders.
	Alec Murdoch says that he took that chicken out of Bubba's mouth and then went straight back to the house.
	Prosecutors though say five minutes later, Paul and Maggie were murdered.
	Listen to Alec Murdoch's explanation.
	Oh, it is gonna be good.
	Down there for a couple minutes, I think you've said now before you get off the golf cart.
	About, yes, sir.
	All right.
	And where do you go at that point?
	I take the chicken from Bubba.
	All right, so you get up.
	Well, I mean, Bubba's, you know, Bubba's come out there with this chicken.
	Showing us hey, I caught this chicken.
	And I take the chicken from Bubba.
	He came up by the golf cart and he came up to Maggie and I, which I was on the golf cart, she's bought a golf cart.
	I mean, he's not coming to the golf cart, But he's coming to us.
	Is this during the kennel video or is this after the kennel video?
	Well, no, you hear Maggie say he's got a chicken.
	That's what she's talking about.
	Is Bubba caught a chicken?
	All right.
	All right.
	So is the count video still going on before you go get the chicken?
	I mean, you've heard it, correct?
	You've heard it in this courtroom.
	I don't know exactly.
	Um I don't know exactly, but in close timing to Bubba coming out of those woods with the chicken.
	I got up and took the chicken from him.
	So did you say goodbye?
	According to your new story.
	Did I say goodbye?
	Yeah.
	Did you talk to them at all?
	Or did you just get the chicken, put it on there, jump on there, and just take off?
	I wouldn't have just gone off.
	I mean, I would have said I'm leaving.
	Okay.
	Did I say goodbye?
	Bye.
	And again.
	I mean, there would have been some, you know, there would have been some exchange.
	I'm not staying here.
	Well, what was that?
	Exchange.
	I mean, you have you've had such a photographic memory about these new stories.
	What what what happened here?
	It's not.
	I can't tell you the exact words.
	You don't remember your conversation after you put that chicken up.
	Did y'all talk about the chicken?
	No, I don't think we did.
	Did you talk with Paul about Cash's tail?
	After the chicken?
	Yeah.
	No, uh, I know I didn't do that.
	Did you tell Maggie I'm gonna go check on him?
	At that point, no, I don't think.
	Tell Maggie, uh, it's hide out here.
	If they go back.
	I I certainly would have said something to that effect.
	All right.
	So unlike everything else for the new story, you just can't recall what what that would have been.
	Well, uh, you know, I mean, you're making that categorization.
	Uh, I think there's other things about that that I can't remember, but if the question is, can I remember exactly what words I used when I gave Maggie some uh salutation when I'm leaving?
	I can't tell you what those were.
	All right, but it would have been something to the effect of I'm leaving.
	All right.
	Okay, but you would concede that there was man.
	It's over nine thousand.
	These lie levels was at least some conversation that you wouldn't have just put the chicken on there and jump ran back to the golf cart and taken off.
	Without talking to Maggie, I would have never done that.
	And that's it for the top incredible.
	All right.
	So needless to say, my boy ended up getting uh, you know, found guilty.
	Okay.
	Let's see the verdict here.
	Hold on.
	Docket number number 2022 GS 15 00592, the state of South Carolina, County of Carlaton, in the court of general sessions in the term of 2022,
	July, the state versus Richard Alexander Murdoch, defendant, indictment for murder, SC code 16-3-0010, CDR code 0116.
	Okay.
	Guilty verdict signed by the four lady 3223
	Docket number 2022-GS-15-00593, the state of South Carolina, County of Collinton, in the Court of General Sessions, the July term of 2022, the state versus Richard Alexander Murdoch,
	defendant, indictment for murder, SC code 16-3-0010, CDR code 0116, verdict guilty, signed by the four lady.
	Date 32 of 23.
	Docket number 2022-GS15-26.
	The state of South Carolina, County of Carlton, Court of General Sessions, July term 2022.
	The state versus Richard Alexander Murdoch, defendant.
	Indictment for possession of a weapon during the commission of a violent crime.
	SC code dash 16-23-0490.
	CDR code 0549.
	Verdict guilty.
	This is why you don't listen to Pop Smoke before you uh kill your family.
	Signed by the four-person of the jury, date 32 23.
	Docket number 2022 GS-15-00594.
	The state of South Carolina, County of Carlton, Court of General Sessions, July term 2022.
	The state versus Richard Alexander Murdoch, defendant.
	Indictment for possession of a weapon during the commission of a violent crime.
	SC code 16-23-0490.
	CDR code 0549.
	Verdict guilty.
	Signed by 40%.
	He's like, damn.
	32 23.
	He was like, guilty on all counts.
	Fuck.
	Bro, this is what happens, man.
	My man was playing fucking pop smoke invincible.
	I feel invincible.
	Papa Poker go retarded.
	And then he just goes in and starts shooting crazy.
	Next thing you know, he's like, hey.
	You know what I'm saying?
	He thought he was invincible.
	Next thing you know, South Carolina's like, nah, bro.
	You are not invincible.
	Denied.
	Yeah.
	Facts.
	You go to jail now.
	Denied.
	Oh, Lord.
	And then it gets even crazier.
	He gets sentenced.
	Hold on.
	Prison today, the morning after the jury found him guilty of murdering his wife and son.
	It took jurors, guys.
	Let me share a screen.
	Less than three hours to hand down their con less than three hours.
	But what was it like inside the jury?
	That was easy.
	It's Alex Murdoch as you've never seen him before.
	In a prison jumpsuit and flip-flops and shackles.
	And he went down swinging, still insisting he's innocent of the crime that shocked America.
	I'm innocent.
	He still got that pop smoke plan in his head.
	I feel invisible.
	I would never hurt my wife Maggie.
	And I would never hurt my son, Paw Paw.
	Murdoch's son Buster and brother John Marvin were in court as Judge Clifton Newman blasted the disgraced attorney.
	You've engaged in such duplicitous conduct.
	Oh, here in the courtroom.
	He tells the judge, wait, wait.
	What the fuck?
	Here on the witness stand.
	And I know you have to see Paul and Maggie during the night times when you're attempting to go to sleep.
	I'm sure they come and visit you.
	All day and every night.
	And then Judge Newman said, and I bet you remember the last time they looked you in the eyes.
	I got chills down my spine.
	The judge gave Murdoch a chance to say more.
	I'll tell you again, I respect this court, but I'm innocent.
	The judge wasn't having it.
	It might not have been you.
	It might have been uh the monster you become when you uh take 15, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 opioid pills.
	Then the sentence.
	Oh pop-up could go retarded.
	He even said a judge is like, maybe it wasn't you, it was the guy after.
	Yeah, he was listening to that pop smoke before he did.
	I'm telling you, man.
	Sentence you for term of the rest of your natural life.
	And we do file the inside addition.
	I spoke exclusively to Judge Newman today.
	Enjoy the media, enjoyed everyone.
	It's been a great experience.
	For me, not so much for some others.
	Today we're getting a fascinating look inside the jury room.
	After six weeks of testimony, it took less than three hours for them to announce the guilty verdict.
	Juror Craig Moyer spoke to good.
	Yeah, that's fast, bro.
	Morning America.
	Did you feel like he was a liar?
	Good liar.
	good enough.
	He says the juror's initial vote was nine guilty, two not guilty, and one not sure.
	What was your vote?
	Guilty.
	From the start.
	Yes.
	He says it only took about 45 minutes of discussion to reach a unanimous verdict.
	He says this was the most crucial piece of evidence.
	The kennel video that placed Murdoch at the scene minutes before the murders.
	Murdoch admitted on the stand that it was in fact his voice, despite earlier denials that he was there.
	When he said it was him, were you surprised?
	Oh very surprised.
	We spoke to prominent jury consultant, Dr. Joe Ellen Demetrius.
	I really believe that um maybe not consciously, but subconsciously, these jurors probably had the thought that, you know, uh this man has pulled the wool over our eyes and other people's eyes for years, and now it's got to stop.
	The jury's quick decision caught everyone by surprise.
	Breaking news coming into the situation room right now.
	The jury has reached a verdict in the uh Alex Murdoch murder trial.
	Guilty verdict.
	As soon as the politics were read, Murdoch was slapped in handcuffs.
	He mouthed, I'm sorry, I love you to Buster, who showed zero emotion.
	Then bam.
	Wow.
	Bro, I think he knows his dad did it, bro.
	I think he knows.
	He popped that board and retarded.
	Yeah, he just knew that.
	He knew it, bro.
	Yeah.
	Murdoch was led away.
	We were all stunned by how quick this verdict came in.
	The one thing that I said to you on the set yesterday is I'm not certain what the verdict is, but I'm certain that they're gonna deliberate for a while.
	I thought the timing was either shocking, actually.
	And there's an intriguing what if question today regarding the jury.
	According to one published report, the juror who was removed at the 11th hour yesterday could have caused a hung jury if she had remained.
	She said he was not guilty, and there was nothing anyone could do to change her mind.
	Bruh, of course, it's a female man, bum but bro.
	Boom book!
	Guys, book in stores, why women deserve less, bro?
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	But this is why, bro, real talk, man.
	Yeah, listen, uh can't be emotional.
	Does those jury can ever get bribed?
	It's happened before, yeah.
	Because for being so wealthy, you're saying that he will pay some people, right?
	Yeah, it could, it could be, yeah.
	So it's happened before where there's been like jury tampering for sure.
	It's it's definitely happened before.
	So, yeah.
	Guys, get the book.
	Sorry, guys, for jurors like this that aren't able to divorce their emotions from facts.
	The report claims she was dug in, she would have hung the jury.
	She didn't express an opinion.
	To us.
	She said she was open, she had made up her mind.
	Several of the jurors returned today to watch the sentencing, and as they left, they were applauded by bystanders.
	Yeah, everybody knows.
	Yeah, they're of course they're gonna appeal.
	But uh, all right.
	Guys, that summarizes the entire case.
	Angie, what are your final thoughts?
	Well, they didn't mention we didn't mention the allegations that were on Buster.
	I don't know if you know, but like um people were thinking that he killed uh teenager back in 2015.
	Uh, yes, yes, yes.
	Yes, the the the guy that was found on the side of the kid that was found on the side of the road that they were also able to attribute.
	So, how many deaths is that?
	We got the the the mother and the son, we got the girl on the boat, we got the housekeeper, and now we got this fifth guy, which we didn't cover because they didn't have too much to do with this story.
	Yes, um, but uh, but yeah, that there was a random uh there was a uh teenager that was found, uh young man found on the road awkwardly, and they weren't sure if he got hit by a car or if he was murdered, but that also was tied back to the Murdochs as well.
	Yes.
	So I left that out because it wasn't really too relevant to the story.
	But what are your final thoughts, Angie?
	Oh, people think that he did it, but yeah.
	I mean, that's why you could score like the mortal uh murders.
	But yeah, um, I don't know, man.
	Yeah, I mean, it's obvious.
	Like any other case is another family annihilators.
	Annahala, what's the word?
	Annihilators.
	Annihilate.
	I can't even say it, but yeah, he's another one.
	Fair enough.
	Alright.
	Uh I'll read these chats real quick and then we'll close this thing out.
	Uh let's see here.
	It's Dutch Boy.
	We'll make a bullet travel like this.
	Is it the bone?
	I don't know.
	That was probably when you're explaining like the bullet.
	That question was answered.
	Hey Myron, big fan of the show.
	I was wondering if you could cover the Marcus Wesson case in Fresno, California.
	Actually, I was I was reading that case.
	Oh, you were now.
	Yes, man, it's uh Antony Carrillo.
	Man, I'm disgusted.
	This case is it's so crazy.
	Okay.
	Look it up.
	Brian uh in Edge.
	Hey yo, Ange, put down in your book, Ash Vlogs by Nextball.
	I'm sure the chat can agree on this, but right.
	Again, guys, like don't put requests on the chat.
	I mean, you can, but like I wouldn't remember, so it's better if you leave it on the comment section.
	Uh, are you doing any more serial killers?
	Also, yeah, golden stay killer is probably gonna be next.
	Yes, golden stay killer is probably gonna be the next golden stake killer, yeah.
	Unless there's something else that's higher up on the total pool.
	Of course, we have Ed Gain and Edmund Kemper, which I've been telling you we do.
	Who needs Edmund Kemper, Ed Kemper, and Ed Gain.
	Okay.
	Um, I don't know who Ed Camper is.
	What about who's up?
	Who's up higher on the list?
	Golden State Warrior or Berkowitz?
	What?
	Borkowitz is the son of Sam.
	Yes, yes.
	He's he's also on the list.
	What was your question?
	No, I said who's higher on the list.
	Like, do they want Golden State Killer first or uh Burke Wood's son of Sam?
	Probably the Golden Stake Killer, yeah.
	Maybe you know, maybe I'll do a poll right now.
	Uh can you do a uh shit?
	Okay, I'll do a poll.
	Uh hey Myron.
	I've watched your podcast for two years, and I think I thank you for everything you've taught me.
	Uh Never a Ninja Watcher.
	Thank you for the video FNFM.
	Also, I'm in College Body Get a second job.
	Good stuff, my friend.
	Chief Keep goes.
	Uh, Momo Murda, tell me what you gonna do when there ain't nowhere to hide.
	Y'all miss my Espanel super chat.
	Did I?
	I don't think so.
	Nine official crimes, 99 financial crimes, but his family ain't won.
	By the way, the pocket town is a Chicago gang slash hood.
	Michael Meestroke, thank you very much for a dollar.
	Uh Jiro, any tips to not be shy when speaking to new people?
	Just do it often and you'll get used to it.
	Uh, and then I think we're caught up here with the chat.
	Um cool.
	And then uh let me do a quick poll for y'all real fast.
	Let's see here.
	You know what?
	I'll give you guys a chance here.
	I will do a couple of polls.
	Um, and I'll get it going right now.
	Start a poll.
	So I'll give you guys a couple qu uh a couple ones.
	Next serious.
	Okay.
	We're gonna go.
	Son of Sam.
	Okay.
	Uh whose other one?
	Son of Sam.
	Um Ed Guyne.
	Kemper.
	What Ed Ed Camper?
	Kemper, yes.
	Ed Ed Kemper?
	Ed Edmund Kemper.
	Okay, Ed Camper.
	Okay, and uh, who else is another one that people want?
	And okay, well, too many.
	And if you guys are wondering, Ed Guyne is who Texas Chainsaw Masker was modeled after.
	Well, we also have the Amazon Review Killer.
	Okay.
	I don't really know his name.
	I don't know how to do it.
	Amazon Keller, all right.
	Yes, Amazon Review Killer.
	Uh we have Aileen Werner's pending as well.
	Uh yeah, let me put her in here.
	Instead of that one.
	There are so many.
	Okay, let's see what they say.
	I don't even know who Ed Camper is.
	Oh no.
	You do need to know, though.
	It's you know what?
	Let me put Golden Skills.
	Co-Ed Killer.
	Who's called co-ed killer?
	That guy was.
	These are guys are way more famous.
	These these four that I'm putting.
	Alright, let's see what the audience says right now.
	I just put the poll up.
	Poll is live, guys.
	Pole is live.
	Let's see what y'all say.
	Holy shit.
	Okay.
	Okay, and go.
	I'm voting.
	It's flying.
	It is literally all over the place right now.
	Let's I'll I'll go ahead and share a screen with y'all real fast.
	What the chat is saying.
	Real time.
	Yes, real time, guys.
	Yeah, let's see here.
	They gave they gave Alien Wardles the last.
	They gave her zero, bruh.
	I guess women deserve less for real for y'all.
	Okay.
	Uh oh wow.
	Okay.
	Y'all want Ed Gyne.
	But it's it's the only woman, and also.
	Do you put Ed Kemper though?
	I'll keep it a thousand with y'all.
	Alien Warno's has a way better story than Ed Guyne.
	But if y'all want Ed Guyne, we'll do Ed Guyne.
	You didn't put Ed Kemper.
	No, I didn't have space.
	Right.
	So I put the most face.
	These are these guys are probably the of the serial killers left.
	We already did the big ones, Ted one t Ted Bundy, all that shit.
	But of the serial killers that are left.
	I'm gonna vote for Aileen.
	Like I already saw her story.
	I think her story is better than Ed Guyne to be honest.
	But if y'all want uh okay, it's a good one.
	Well, women women killers are way different from men killers.
	Yeah.
	For many reasons, but basically it's because women kill for a motive, men kill for compulsion.
	So yeah.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	Alright.
	Well, I guess in this case, uh yeah, looks like it's gonna be Ed Gyne.
	I did the Zodiac already.
	I see some of you guys put uh put uh Zodiac.
	For all y'all that are screaming, Aileen, uh put a vote, bruh.
	Vote like y'all, y'all in the chat saying Aileen, Aileen.
	That then do it click Aileen on the poll, man.
	That's why it's there.
	Trying to get y'all vote.
	But it looks like Ed Guyne is the winner, man.
	49%.
	He's smacking everybody.
	Nobody else can really compete.
	Well, it's very famous.
	He was uh I think he was the one that inspired the yeah, yeah, he didn't.
	Yeah, inspired inspired the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
	I mean, very loosely, like Ed Gyne wasn't a big humbling like retard, like you know, running around with actual chainsaw.
	He was at Rita, I think.
	He was nah he actually wasn't.
	He was uh that's what I'm saying.
	Like he was literally a record.
	No, he wasn't.
	Oh, oh, the the the character in Texas Chainsaw Leatherface was, yes.
	No, no, no.
	The guy was some had something in his mind.
	He was just crazy after his mom died, but he wasn't retarded.
	Wasn't yeah, he just had like a downward spiral after.
	I'll look it up though, or you could be like Murdoch, Boba Top Broker Google.
	He was the one that he has he's the one that's got a museum, right?
	Let me check.
	Uh he might.
	Yeah, it looks like Ed Guyne is number one.
	All right, I get y'all want Ed Guyne.
	All right, cool.
	That's that's who's the gonna be the next serious.
	He's the one that's got museum because he will make furniture with yeah, he made furniture with body parts.
	Yes, yeah.
	That's that's where they took the leather face scheme from, was like using body parts to accentuate the house and wearing it and shit like that.
	Yeah, so all right, looks like it's Ed.
	Alright, y'all want to add the people who have spoken.
	Yeah, y'all, y'all have spoken.
	Uh, all right, guys.
	With that said, man, we gave y'all a three-hour plus podcast, three and a half hours.
	I need y'all to go ahead and like the video.
	All right, we got 1600 uh likes, but I know there's a bunch of you that haven't liked, so if you guys start liking now, I'll probably hit 1700.
	Um, uh actually, Angie, I'll give you the last well before I give you the last word.
	Get the book, Why Women Deserve Less.
	We got three podcasts tomorrow.
	I think one at five or six with ISO Kenny.
	Then we got Waka Flock of Flame, then we got a uh, and then we got obviously after hours, three podcasts in a row for y'all.
	Like the video, go check out the episode I did with Nico that dropped earlier on Fresh Pit, and I did an interview with Sardarial Shooter.
	So, yeah, man.
	Content coming out all over the place.
	We're gonna go to Vegas next week.
	We're gonna do class with Graham Stefan and his boy and his brother Jack Selby.
	Uh oh, while I break the computer, sorry.
	Uh, we're gonna also get with Ryan Pineda, and then we're also gonna go ahead and interview your boy Dan Blazerian.
	Dumb the monko.
	And then also we're gonna go ahead and do uh an interview with Rolo Tomasi and Marco Sartain for Access Vegas.
	Dumb the monko who works harder than us, nobody.
	All right, there's a reason why I talk my shit.
	No one comes close.
	We're the number one man's podcast in the fucking world.
	All these other dudes are bums.
	Y'all know it.
	Y'all know what I'm talking about.
	Asshole and bleach and moist loser and fucking fat back.
	Bro, they are bums.
	They don't even come close.
	Bro, I put out more videos than them niggas on this channel, man.
	Fuck out of here.
	Bums anyway.
	Uh Angie, give you the last one.
	Yeah, I had to just get out that rant because they've been going after Sneeko and it's annoying me.
	Right.
	Okay, good.
	Um, yeah, guys, again, Don't leave your request in the chat.
	Leave it on the comment section, please.
	And also, um, for those of you that have been requested and have been DMing me.
	I have everything written down.
	I've been reading all of your DMs and all of your comments.
	I also catch the premiers with you, so I keep it uh be there in the chats with you.
	Also sharing my thoughts and everything.
	Um, and like yeah, reading your opinions and everything.
	And I'm also cooking something.
	I don't wanna drop, I don't want Myron to drop my Instagram anymore because you guys are weird as fuck.
	And I don't want anyone else following me now anymore.
	Yes.
	So uh I'll probably just open a Fetty account or uh another account where Instagram is so Angelico 2A, send a dick pic.
	Um, yeah, so I'll be cooking something, and y'all that's it.
	That's it.
	Cool, cool.
	All right, guys.
	Like the video, catch you guys on next episode of FedEd.
	Love y'all, man.
	Gave y'all we gave y'all a huge breakdown.
	I'm gonna go ahead and go through and put the timestamps in this bad boy.
	And uh, yeah, hope you guys enjoyed it, man.
	This is the best breakdown on the murder case.
	Detailed timestamps coming in, so you'll have a one-stop shop to get everything from A to Z. Love you guys, like the video.
	I was a special agent with homeland investigations, okay, guys.
	HSI.
	The cases that I did mostly were human smuggling and drug traffic.
	No one else has these documents, by the way.
	Here's what FedEx coverage.
	Dr. Lafredo confirm lacerations due to stepping on glass.
	Murder investigation.
	You don't know and he's positioning been on February 13th, 2019.

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