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Jan. 30, 2023 - MyronGainesX

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Former Fed Explains Casey Anthony: The MOST Controversial Case In FL History! Did She Do It?

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	And we are live.
	What's up, guys?
	Welcome to FedEt.
	We're back from YouTube jail, man.
	Dumb the moment.
	We're gonna be covering the Casey Anthony case, guys.
	Got a lot to cover on this one.
	We got some reactions.
	I got a special guest with me too.
	I'll introduce you guys to her in a second.
	Let's get into it.
	I was a special agent with homeland screen investigations, okay?
	Guys, HSI.
	The cases that I did mostly were human smuggling and drug traffic.
	No one else has these documents, by the way.
	Here's what FedEx covers.
	Dr. Lafredo confirm lacerations due to stepping on glass.
	Murder investigation.
	And he's positioning.
	Been on February 13, 2019.
	You're facing two panels of litigation.
	Raceteering and Rico conspiracy.
	Young slime life here and after referred to as YSL to the 6ix9ine.
	And then this is Billy Seiko right here.
	Now, when they first started, guys, 6ix9ine Randall.
	I'm a Fed.
	I'm watching this music video.
	You know, I'm bobbing my highlight.
	Hey, this shit lit.
	But at the same time, I'm pausing.
	Oh, wait, who this?
	Right?
	Well, who's that in the back?
	Firearms and violence.
	AKA Push I see violated.
	They're wondering to stay away from the dick.
	This is the one that that's gonna fuck him up because this gun is not tracing.
	Well, it happened at the gun range.
	Here's your boy 42 Doug right here on the left.
	Okay.
	Sex trafficking and sex cries.
	They can effectively link him paying an underage girl.
	I'm gonna look like 50 right.
	And the first bomb went off right here.
	That's doubting.
	the site of the second explore inspired by al-qaeda two terrorists brothers the zokar sarnev and tamar land sarnav when the cartel shipped drugs into the country As this guy got arrested for um espionage.
	Okay, trading secrets with the Russians for monetary compensation.
	The largest corrupt police bust in New Orleans history.
	So he was in this bad boy.
	We're going to go over his past, the Yankai, so that this all makes sense.
	you you you Alright, what's up, guys?
	Welcome back to FedEt, man.
	Um, as you guys know, we're in YouTube jail for a week because um we got a strike on the main channel, and anytime you get a strike on the main channel, you shouldn't be posting on other channels because they can look at that as circumvention, which could get you jammed up.
	So, you know, it is what it is, guys.
	So we just didn't post for a week on YouTube.
	We're on Rumble.
	So if you guys want to go ahead and check out any of the Fresh and Fit After Hour shows that we did last week, they're all on Rumble.com slash fresh and fit.
	Um, this week we're back to regular schedule programming.
	Tomorrow we're gonna have Charleston White.
	We're gonna have our you know regular money Mondays, Womanized Wednesdays, etc.
	No money Monday tomorrow because we got a special guest, aka Charleston White, but we're gonna go through with the typical schedule as normal uh this coming week.
	So we're happy to be back, guys.
	But uh anyway, uh today we're gonna be covering the Casey Anthony case.
	A lot of you guys have been requesting this one for a while, and uh I actually got some help on this one.
	I'm gonna introduce you guys to someone that you may or may not remember.
	I got Angelica in the house.
	You want to introduce yourself to the people real quick?
	Yeah, sure.
	My name is Angelica.
	Not Angelica, you mean?
	No, not Angelica.
	Please don't call me Angelica.
	I don't like it.
	Uh I prefer Any.
	So yeah, I'll be helping Myron with this case tonight.
	Yeah, she actually did some research, guys.
	So uh shout out to her for she took some quite a bit of notes, and she actually gave me some facts that I didn't even know on this one.
	But uh, yeah, she loves Angelica, guys, so make sure to call her Angelica in the chat.
	Please don't.
	Yeah, she messed up by saying, Oh, I don't like that.
	Too bad.
	Um, so anyway, guys, uh, we're gonna get right into it.
	Let me see here if we got any chats.
	Uh let's see here.
	Uh, we got here um Glock Izzy.
	Myron, what's good, bro?
	Shout out to you, Glack Izzy.
	I appreciate you.
	And yes, I know some of you guys are saying some stuff in the chat, like, oh, did she really help?
	No, she did, guys.
	She actually did help.
	She took some notes and she gave me some facts, even that I didn't know about this case.
	Um I took my sweet time.
	Yeah, she actually did research.
	Um, and then we got Henny Everything.
	What happened to Young Dolph?
	Still got young Dolph, guys, but you gotta understand that there's some uh hearings happening.
	Um actually, there's some hearings happening uh in February that we're waiting for those to go through, and then we're gonna go ahead and do the young Dolph case.
	But there's a lot behind the scenes on that one.
	I got some of the documents, so we're definitely gonna cover that one.
	And then we got uh Montrell rather goes.
	Glad to have you back on YouTube, but please put Fed it on Rumble as well and tell Fresh to do the same.
	Love you guys.
	Yeah, um, I might migrate this to Rumble as well.
	Right now we're on Twitch because I'm actually gonna be we're on Twitch, guys, and we're on FedEd because I know there's a chance that this stream might get shut down because you're gonna be reacting to to do two uh documentaries.
	So hopefully they don't cut the stream.
	If they do, I'll do what I normally do.
	Finish it out on Twitch, close it down, then go ahead and repost it on YouTube for you guys with timestamps and everything else.
	So um, yeah, but before we get into it, um, and Helica, you have anything you want to tell the people?
	There's people commenting that uh they're calling me Misa Ray Bus.
	Mr. Ray Bus?
	That's funny.
	That's a funny one.
	I like it.
	All right, fair.
	Um, okay, guys.
	So we're gonna go ahead and get right into it right now.
	So uh let me go ahead and share stream with y'all real fast.
	So we're gonna get into um the Wikipedia as normal.
	Give you where uh familiarize your guys' self with the case.
	Um, so we got here um Kaylee Marie Anthony, uh, right?
	This is the death of Kaylee Anthony, who is a daughter.
	Uh, she was killed on uh from August 9th to 2005, born died uh June or December ish of 2008 was an American girl who lived in Orlando, Florida with her mother, Casey Marie Anthony, who we're gonna cover guys today, uh, born March 19th, 1986, and her maternal grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony.
	On July 15th, 2020, she was reported missing in a 911 call made by Cindy, who's a grandma, who said she had not seen Kaylee for 31 days and that Casey's car smelled like a dead body had been inside it.
	Okay.
	Um and we won't go into more any more detail because that's gonna ruin what we got going on here.
	But we're gonna go ahead and break down this documentary from JCS criminal uh psychology.
	Shout out to them.
	We'll go ahead and subscribe to the channel, like the video, do the same for this as well, guys, because you gotta show support to everybody out there.
	We're gonna react to this thing.
	And uh hold on, let me move some tabs around here so that we can better do this.
	Uh uh, there we go.
	Okay.
	Um, so yeah, without further ado, let's get right into it, man.
	And we're gonna break this thing down, uh, give you guys some insight or give you guys some stuff that isn't covered in this documentary uh that Angie actually took notes on.
	So uh Most of you will already be aware of who two-year-old Kaylee Anthony was.
	The majority will know that she sadly passed away at some point between 1 p.m. and 8 p.m. on June 16th, 2008.
	Her death is undoubtedly the most heartbreaking part of this story, and we only need a single word to epitomize her short life.
	Tragic.
	But the primary subject of this video is not about the life nor the death of Kaylee Marie Anthony.
	It is in fact about the psychological constitution of her mother, 22-year-old Casey Marie Anthony.
	So rather than tragic, you'll find the words disturbing and perplexing to be far better suited to the theme of this video.
	Now, what I want to let you guys know right off the rip here is that this woman is crazy.
	All right.
	Uh, what you guys are about to see is uh reason why women deserve less.
	She's the reason why women deserve less.
	We'll come in soon, baby.
	Yeah, you guys are what you guys are gonna see is fairly disturbing.
	Um, so this isn't for the faint of heart.
	Viewer discretion is advised.
	Um, yeah, this this is uh this is gonna be a tough one, man.
	Anytime there's uh child neglect or you know, abusing children, it bothers me as well.
	You know, you know, I put some of these idiots away in uh in jail.
	Um, so yeah, just want to let y'all know viewer discretion advised.
	But you guys are gonna see literally probably the craziest people I've ever dealt with, like dealt with as far as like FedA goes, um, in this situation, which explains why you sick bastards wanted this case.
	But uh, let's get into it.
	One of the many reasons this case is exceptional is how the present day's topic of discussion has little to do with the actual occurrences of the crime, but in fact, the subsequent developments that followed.
	People are no longer talking about how or even why Kaylee Anthony passed away.
	They are instead talking about the manner in which a mother responded to her daughter's death.
	Given all the acquired information we now have, even if we afford this person the most morally acceptable possibility of what occurred, her manner of conduct was still unimaginably cold-blooded.
	This is driven home by the fact she was evaluated by two clinical psychologists during her time in custody, and not a single abnormality was discovered with relation to her psychological state.
	That's extremely telling, guys, that you know they two psychologists observed her, and she didn't come off as crazy.
	So what you guys are about to see, right, exemplifies how delusional this woman really is.
	And I and I'll be honest with y'all.
	A part of it is you guys can see she's not ugly, right?
	So this is pretty privileged on freaking steroids.
	All right, and you guys are gonna see why she behaved the way that she did and what she was able to get away with uh throughout a lot most of her life.
	Uh let's see here.
	Do we have any chats by the way?
	Um that came in?
	No?
	All right, cool.
	Let's get back into it.
	In other words, there were no signs of mental illness whatsoever.
	And this makes the character study of Casey Anthony just as fascinating as it is terrifying.
	A human being's state of mind is something most accurately assessed with the full capacity of hindsight.
	So before we evaluate our first segment of raw footage, here's a quick rundown of each of the essential moments that will give you a broader understanding of what we're actually dealing with.
	On the 15th of July.
	All right, so they're about to summarize the case here.
	So pay attention, guys, so you understand the general circumstances of facts around the investigation.
	And I'm going to go ahead.
	I got another documentary as well, which we're going to be like reacting to as well.
	Um to this.
	And then um Angie's got some facts as well, where she'll be interjecting and letting you guys know some other things that people didn't necessarily uh document in this documentary or the other one, all right?
	Give you guys some more stuff.
	So get insight from three different situations.
	July 2008, Orlando police received a call from Cindy Anthony, the grandmother of the victim.
	911, what's your emergency?
	they...
	I called a little bit ago, the deputy sheriff.
	I found out my granddaughter has been taken.
	She has been missing for a month.
	And also, I want you guys to pay attention to the distraughtness in the grandmother's voice, and then I want you guys to compare and contrast that to the daughter, aka Casey Anthony's voice, okay?
	So the grandmother, she freaking out, but I want y'all to pay attention to how the daughter reacts to the situation.
	Um this might not be important, but the thing is that she mentioned there that she called the police way before.
	She actually called the police three times, two times before that call.
	And she did point because she was mad at Casey, apparently because she took the car and she's torn off and all this.
	We're gonna talk about that later.
	But she wanted to get Casey arrested because she had stolen money or something like that.
	And that was the third call.
	And that's when was she was warrior because that was when Casey told her that the baby was missing.
	Yeah.
	No, that's actually a good point.
	What you guys are hearing right now is actually the third 911 call.
	Yeah.
	Prior to this, she had made two calls before because she had not seen her granddaughter in about a month.
	And um, I didn't even know about the stolen money.
	So she had called the police on her because she had stolen money.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	She stole money and she took the car, right?
	She took the hair that scar, which they wouldn't they wouldn't mind and they will mind the white sedan that they found later, right?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There you go.
	So that gives you guys a little bit more insight that this is not the first call, which explains I guess some of the frustration.
	Because you guys are gonna see her that she talks about confronting her.
	We're talking about a three-year-old mother girl.
	My daughter finally admitted that the babysitter store.
	See, notice my daughter finally admitted that the babysitter stole her.
	Okay, so she had been chasing her for a bit.
	Like, hey, where's my granddaughter?
	God damn it.
	She called before to get Casey arrested because of the stolen money and the car.
	Okay.
	But then when she told her about the baby, that's what when she got worried and she called it third time.
	Uh, okay.
	All right.
	And she ended up she had to look for her too, guys.
	Let's see y'all.
	No, she had to actually go searching for her to even have this 9-1-1 call.
	Because she couldn't find her.
	Find her.
	Your daughter admitted that you're the baby is where you could have took her month together.
	My daughter's been looking for.
	I told you my battle was new since for a month.
	I just found her today, but I can't find my granddaughter.
	She just admitted to me that she's been trying to find her herself.
	There's something wrong.
	I found my daughter's car today.
	And it's not like there's been a dead daughter in the drunk car.
	Okay.
	That's also a very giving thing.
	So hold on to that, guys.
	That's gonna be used later on as a key piece of evidence in this investigation that was disputed.
	Okay.
	What is the three-year-old's name?
	Kaylee.
	C-A-Y-L-E-E, Anthony.
	Haley Anthony?
	Yes.
	How long has she been missing for?
	I have not seen her since the 7th of June.
	Is your daughter there?
	Yes.
	7th of June, guys.
	Okay.
	So this is like uh a month later.
	Okay.
	So obviously the grandma is very distraught, right?
	Because you guys are gonna see through the course of this that the grandparents were heavily invested in this child's life.
	Um so for them, they're invested to a significant degree.
	And I want you guys to see compare and contrast the grandmother's reaction to the actual mother biological mom's reaction to this situation, which is crazy.
	Can I speak with her?
	So she's like, Can I speak with her?
	And here's Cindy, right?
	She goes, Okay, Casey, here, pass through the phone, right?
	They want to talk to you.
	I don't have anything to talk to them.
	Wait, what?
	Red flag.
	How do you not want to talk to the police when your kids have been missing for a goddamn month?
	Like what?
	Exactly.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yeah.
	Can you tell me the phone on a little bit?
	I'm sorry.
	Can you tell me a little bit what's going on?
	My daughter's been missing for the last 31 days.
	And you know who has her?
	I know who has her.
	I tried to contact her.
	I actually received a phone call today.
	No, from a number that is no longer in service.
	I did get to speak to my daughter for about a moment.
	About a minute.
	Hold on.
	So she's confirming that the child is alive.
	She's saying, Oh no, I spoke to her for like a minute.
	A moment.
	Okay.
	So that's very important.
	But notice the tonality and how she speaks, guys, versus the grandmother.
	The grandmother's panicking.
	Like, what the hell's going on?
	You know, she doesn't even care about the money or the or the car at this point.
	She cares about the granddaughter, but the mom is kind of chill, like, yeah, you know.
	I I think I know where she's at.
	She's with someone, etc.
	So exactly.
	It's wild.
	Do you have a name?
	Her name is Zanaida Fernandez Gonzalez.
	Hold on.
	Yo, what the I mean, you're you're you're Hispanic.
	This is this is the most Latin.
	Like, yo, okay, uh, let me just go ahead and come up with the most Hispanic name ever.
	Like, uh, is that where would that be?
	Like with that that background type of name.
	That's an stereotype for a Mexican name.
	Okay.
	Is that like a okay?
	That's not a Venezuelan last name right now.
	No, no.
	Well, actually, Gonzalez is the most uh common Latin name, like last name.
	Okay, of course.
	So she put two together and that's it.
	Yeah, she went ahead and it's like, okay, let me go ahead and get the most suspended name.
	Yeah, like uh the most Hispanic name is Zanaida.
	I've never heard anybody with that name before.
	What the like you're not any Zenitis out there.
	That's an old person.
	That's old person's name.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's the nanny, right?
	So I can see why she will pick that name.
	Okay.
	So y'all are about to see if this Zanaida person, air quote, exists.
	To give some context to this bizarre phone call, Casey Anthony had left the family home with her daughter a month earlier, stating that she had a work assignment in Tampa and would be traveling the entire time.
	Kaylee's grandparents would ask repeatedly over the following month to see or at least speak to their granddaughter.
	But Casey claimed each and every time that she was too busy with work and that Kaylee was with a nanny who went by the name Zanida Fernandez Gonzalez, or Bro.
	Zanny for short.
	On July 15th, Zanny for short.
	Do you want to give the people uh the background on how you found out?
	You found out you say it.
	Yeah, well, so as you guys know, Zanny is short for Xan X, right?
	Which is a drug that helps you go to sleep, and you know, it's a kind of a depressant.
	Um, yeah.
	They weren't theories that will say that Casey would get Sanax to the baby to to make her sleep.
	Yes, that was one of the theories.
	Uh Xanax, and you guys are gonna see later on, chloroform.
	So I don't know where that name, Zanaida came from, aka Zanny, but uh, you know, sometimes when there's a clue, there's a clue, right?
	Definitely a red flag.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	Six weeks after Kaylee was last seen by her grandparents.
	George Anthony received a phone call that so important.
	the chat, the Zanny Nanny.
	Zanny the Nanny.
	The Agning Maddie once says that.
	You guys got no chill, bro.
	Oh my god, so mean.
	But this is but it's true though.
	Yo, yeah, Casey, Casey didn't deserve her daughter too often.
	This your mother's neglect their child to leave their best life.
	Big facts.
	That's true.
	That's uh who sent that one in.
	That was uh from the enigmatic one.
	Yes.
	Yeah, shout out to you, my friend.
	That's facts.
	That's big facts.
	She did not deserve uh, you know, as you can see, a beautiful uh little girl.
	It's a fucking terrible situation.
	The family car was at the impound locked.
	This immediately alerted suspicion, as it was the same car Casey had supposedly been traveling with for work.
	Suspicion turned into panic once they picked up the vehicle, and George discovered a strong odor emanating from the trunk.
	One that he recognized from his years as a police officer and found comparable to that of human decomposition.
	Through contacting one of Casey's friends, her parents managed to track her down at her boyfriend's house in Orlando, where they were found smoking marijuana and watching TV.
	When in quite Okay, so what your kid's been missing, and your parents are trying to find you, and they find you with your boyfriend, who this guy, by the way, is a club promoter in Orlando, guys, and they're just watching the movie smoking weed.
	Like, what the hell?
	Yeah.
	Is that is that like behavior of a mother that is, you know, trying to find her daughter, or you know You got all the red flags there.
	Exactly.
	Like what's going on here?
	Like aren't you supposed to go be talking to Zanny, like, hey, where's my kid at?
	But the important fact about this is that the smell of the car.
	How do you recognize the smell of a I mean of a dead body?
	Yep.
	How people know that?
	I mean, apparently the that of Casey was at X Cop.
	Yes.
	So that's what that's how he knew.
	Why there's the smell.
	Yeah, it's it's a very here, and I could tell you from my experience too.
	It's a smell that you never uh forget.
	You know, it's a very distinct smell.
	Um, human decomposition.
	It's very foul.
	Um, but once you get it, it it you you don't forget it.
	So he knew right away from his trending experience, like, okay, this is a dead body.
	So at this point, they're probably like, what the hell's going on here?
	They're probably hearing the worst, right?
	And then to see Casey's reaction to the situation with this kind of loser promoter boyfriend in Orlando is like, what the hell's going on here?
	Or from Orlando.
	If you want to, if you guys want to this is fun though.
	If you guys want to know the smell of a dirt that person, you should get up a piece of meat and leave it in the sun for a week.
	And there you go.
	That's it.
	That's all you need to do.
	Is that what it is?
	Yeah.
	Okay, I never knew you could do it with meat like that.
	Does it matter what kind of meat?
	That's no, just the speech.
	You know, like beef.
	Mm-hmm.
	You should try that.
	I know.
	You should try people.
	I'm good.
	That's the that's the smell of a death person right there.
	Holy just scared over the whereabouts of her daughter.
	Casey stated that she had been kidnapped 31 days before by the supposed babysitter.
	It was at that moment, Cindy Anthony called 911.
	911 with your emergency.
	Who has her?
	Do you have a name?
	Her name is Venera Fernandez Gonzalez.
	Who is that?
	Babysitter?
	She's she's been my nanny for about a year and a half, almost two years.
	Why are you calling now?
	Why didn't you call 31 days ago?
	I've been looking for her and have gone through other resources to try to find her, which was stupid.
	Other resources.
	Quote unquote.
	Yeah, I went through other resources, and that was stupid.
	So now she's kind of being confronted by the dispatcher, like, bro, what the hell?
	Like, what even the dispatcher's like, what's going on here?
	Right?
	And then the dispatcher isn't stupid.
	They can notice the big difference in emotion between the two callers.
	Right?
	You got a distraught grandmother and a chilled out zanny doubt, Casey Anthony, probably.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I think the officers are here.
	The officer there.
	Yes.
	Now let's indulge in the world of fantasy for just a moment and pretend all of what Casey had just stated was true.
	She had indeed been working, and her daughter was in fact kidnapped by the babysitter a month earlier.
	The immediate premise most would gather would be that Casey had no regard for her daughter whatsoever.
	In the 911 call, there was no urgency nor concern in her voice.
	And rather than her volunteering information, which most parents would do in a frantic manner, it had to be acquired by the dispatcher through repeated inquisition.
	All you have to do is compare Casey's dialogue to that of her mother's in the same phone call.
	One was indifferent while the other was distraught.
	Police would have picked up on this immediately.
	Even without the bizarre phone call, the circumstances alone would make Casey the prime suspect in her daughter's disappearance.
	She was immediately interviewed as a witness, which unbeknownst to her was the detective's first step in locking her into as many lies as possible.
	They ran out as July 16, 2008.
	This is hilarious.
	Someone in the chat put uh Casey's Anne Anthony.
	I was reading that too.
	Yo, this show got no chat.
	You guys were waiting a week for this shit, man.
	Shout out to you guys.
	no chill, man.
	You guys are hilarious.
	Um, so what we're gonna get into now, guys, is the detective interviewing her, okay?
	And um, so let me explain real quick how homicide investigations work or when whenever there's a missing child or whatever.
	Typically, guys, um, most of the time when it comes to a missing child or whatever, the state is going to take the investigation first, right?
	The only time the feds come in, whether it's the FBI or something like that, is if there's good a good chance that the child was uh kidnapped and transported across um state lines, right?
	Inter affecting interstate nexus.
	We talked about this before.
	That's typically when the feds get in.
	But in general, the state always takes over for um kidnapping cases in the beginning phases, right?
	If there's no interstate nexus, and for murder, okay.
	Murder guys is almost always exclusively reserved to the state.
	And the reason for that is because feds only get involved with murder when there's other uh federal statutes being violated, right?
	So at this point, you guys can see it says Detective Melich.
	That means it's a state case, which I think these guys were from uh Orange County Sheriff's Office, right?
	Which is where Orlando is located.
	That's the county it's in.
	So he's interviewing her first as a witness in this case, because they don't have any reason to believe that a mother would be the perpetrator in their child's disappearance andor death.
	Right now is zero for eleven hours.
	I'm Detective Mellish with the Orange County Sheriff's Office.
	I am with Casey and the county is doing it, not Orlando Police Department.
	Is that correct?
	Yes, Casey, you understand this is being recorded?
	Yes, you have any objection to that?
	No.
	Casey, I got called here in um reference to a missing child.
	You took Casey to a babysitter's house.
	Yes.
	And who was this babysitter?
	Her name is Zanaida Fernandez Gonzalez.
	How long had you known Zenaida?
	Almost four years.
	It'll be four years.
	All right, so pay attention, guys, to her story as far as like how she knows this woman, how she met this woman, how long she's known this woman, and the other details surrounding this individual.
	Uh, and I say this with air quotes, Zanaida.
	Okay, aka uh Sunny.
	Yeah, Zanny, aka Zanny, aka and Helica's cousin.
	So uh let's see here what happens.
	Oh, and also, guys, let me a quick favor.
	You guys know I hate to stop the show to ask for likes.
	But yo, there's 1100 plus y'all in here.
	Do me a favor, like the video, especially since we're right back on YouTube.
	It's been a week.
	We're probably down in the algal a bit.
	You know, we're in YouTube jail.
	So do me a solid like this video so it gets up in the algorithm, and we can get back on you know, people's radars since we're in YouTube jail for a week.
	All right, guys.
	That's all I ask.
	You don't got to donate a dollar to the show.
	Just like the video, subscribe to the channel, and uh, yeah, man.
	200k on the way, as fresh would say.
	And where did you meet her?
	Who did you meet her through?
	Uh, mutual friend.
	His name is Jeffrey Michael Hopkins.
	I met him at Nickelodeon at Universal, and I met her through him.
	She was his son's nanny at the time.
	Does Jeffer still work at uh Universal?
	No, he does not.
	How long has it been since he left?
	About nine, ten months, give or take.
	He moved up to North Carolina for a short time and moved down to Jacksonville within the last three months.
	How'd you characterize your relationship with him?
	This is the best.
	This is hilarious.
	So this is during the trial, right?
	Footage from the trial.
	They're gonna actually they bring the guy that she's talking about with his long ass name to the to the trial to testify.
	See what he says, guys.
	Anthony.
	More and less acquaintances.
	One very good friends, not very good friends.
	Did you ever fucking lie?
	Let's keep going.
	Work at Universal Studios.
	I did.
	When did you work at Universal Studios?
	Approximately 2002.
	How long did you work there for?
	One year.
	Did you ever work there at the same time that Casey Anthony worked there?
	I don't think so.
	Gotcha, bitch.
	Never.
	Did you ever Casey Anthony to a woman by the name of Zenaida Gonzalez?
	I did not bro.
	So you guys can already see getting caught in a bunch of different lies, right?
	And and it's stupid lies, too.
	She's lying about stupid stuff.
	But this goes to speak to her character.
	And as you guys can see, the way she's speaking to the detectives, she's speaking in a very active voice.
	She's very confident in herself when she goes ahead and constructs her lies.
	This goes ahead and speaks to the delusion that this woman lives in.
	Okay?
	Ridiculous.
	She's very manipulative.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Absolutely manipulated.
	She knows how to lie.
	Yep, that's a fact.
	Hey man, book coming soon.
	Why women deserve less?
	Did you ever use Zenaida Gonzalez as a nanny?
	No, sir.
	Do you have any children?
	No, sir.
	Uh have you lived in the Orlando area consistently since 2002?
	Yes, sir.
	Have you ever lived in Jacksonville?
	No, sir.
	Have you ever lived in North Carolina?
	No, sir.
	Did you see Casey Anthony in the month of June of 2008?
	No, sir.
	Oh, look at that.
	Oh, the lies she's she told the investigators.
	Like everything they're asking there are lies.
	Yeah.
	And yeah, exactly.
	And it guys, the prosecution did that, right?
	They're doing that to illustrate.
	Look, we interviewed her.
	Here's the recorded interview.
	We're gonna bring the witness in that she actually talked about, okay, and ask him the very things that she talked about and see if she's telling the truth.
	And she lied about every single fact except the fact that they knew each other and he worked at Universal Studios.
	That's the only thing she told the truth about.
	But he had left six years prior.
	You know what I mean?
	Like he was gone in 2002, but she's over here talking about him in 2008.
	Remember, this this all went down in the summer of 2008, guys.
	So um, and and the way and the scary part is right.
	Obviously, we're reacting to this case.
	We know that she's a liar, we know the all the facts, but imagine you're the detective, right?
	You're there, you're trying to find this child.
	In your head, you're gonna presume, like, okay, it's the mother of the child.
	She's telling me the truth.
	Like, she wants to get this, even though she's a little maybe weird or whatever, but I'm assuming she cares.
	The grandmother's distraught, like they want the child found.
	So I have no reason to not believe them, right?
	We have the benefit of 2020 hindsight now, but like put yourself in the investigator's shoes.
	You're gonna believe everything she tells you, and then it's and the way she speaks, right?
	She speaks very matter of fact, she's not second guessing herself.
	She's like, No, yeah, I know this person, blah, blah, blah.
	So it's like, why would you not believe her?
	So this is why there was such outrage, right?
	At the trial, and you're gonna see what the detectives they start to get frustrated with her in a second.
	Uh, but we'll get there.
	You yes, I'm Angie.
	I mean, this this guy Red Hood says here, sociopathiacy's finest.
	That is very true.
	So she was a sociopath.
	Yeah, I can explain later that.
	Okay.
	Well, yeah, you did some psychology and uh yeah.
	Okay.
	About a week and a half ago.
	Do you know a telephone number for him?
	I can find a number for him.
	I don't know a number offhand.
	No, I do not.
	Well, yeah, you don't got a solid number for him, of course, because he you don't know this chick.
	And also, guys, keep in mind, they're interviewing her right here as a witness first.
	Okay, they have no reason to believe that she's lying to them.
	They're trying to find the child.
	Anytime you're looking for a missing child, and I've done these types of cases myself.
	Your priority is to find the child, right?
	You don't necessarily care about pulling people in jail or anything like that.
	Your job is to find the child first.
	That overrides the investigation that overrides the criminal case that overrides everything.
	So that's why they automatically assume, all right, she's a witness, help me out.
	Where the hell can I find the Zenaida woman?
	We gotta find this kid.
	We met Zanaya through Jeffrey Hopkins.
	I did.
	Yeah, her son Zach Hopkins, I guess Zanaida used to watch over Zach.
	Yes.
	And when did she start watching over your child?
	It's been within the last year and a half, two years that she started watching Kaylee.
	How would you normally drop off?
	How would you normally do the exchange with your child and Zanaya?
	Would you drop the child off?
	Would she meet you somewhere?
	I would usually drop her off for a few months.
	We would go over to Jeff's house.
	He lived over in Avalon Park.
	And you would go to Jeff's house one to drop off Kaylee.
	That's where Zanaida would go to watch both of the kids.
	Okay.
	It was in a nice centralized area.
	He had a decent sized house.
	It was good room for the two of them.
	This is just some of the lies.
	These are just some of the lies she said.
	She said way more lies.
	She said that this guy's uh Jeff will pay the nanny to watch over the two children.
	Like he child that even doesn't exist.
	And and case and Kaylee.
	The dead baby.
	Yeah.
	That that just goes to show like the extent of uh the lies and how she would like just throw things in there to make it more and more believable.
	So she like actually believed in the delusion.
	She believed her her own lies, yeah.
	That's true.
	And that's why she's able to speak so uh convincingly, guys, about it.
	And like really, you guys can tell she's speaking in the active voice.
	She's fairly certain about a lot of the lies.
	Someone says, some of the lies.
	Chat, y'all are hilarious.
	June 9th.
	And walk me through.
	You drop her off to go to work.
	Okay.
	Get off of work and go from work.
	I got off of work, left Universal, driving back to pick up Kaylee like a normal day.
	And I show up to the apartment, knock on the door, nobody answers.
	So I call Zana cell phone and it's out of service.
	Didn't really want to come home.
	I wasn't sure what I'd say about not knowing where Kaylee was.
	Still hoping that I would get a call.
	See how smart she is.
	She says, Oh, the phone is out of service because she knows more than likely at some point the detective's gonna ask her, yo, what's the phone number?
	Right?
	So if they call the number and it doesn't work or someone else has it, she could say, Oh, well, I told you I was out of service.
	Like, uh, so she almost is preemptively setting up her lies, knowing that the detectives are gonna try to follow up on it.
	So she goes ahead and puts a dead end at the end of the lie to protect herself.
	This is something that a lot of liars do, where they'll give you a piece of information, but what they'll do is they'll walk it back a little bit so that if you actually try to follow up on it, there's plausible deniability for why the lie exists in the way that it does, if that makes sense, right?
	So she says, Oh, yeah, I call their number.
	The next question is what's her number?
	Oh, but just so y'all know, it uh it's it's it's out of service, right?
	So she's setting herself up with each of the lies, which goes to speak to her deliberate um my uh her the the deliberate nature of her lies because she's almost she's like a step forward of her lies, which is actually pretty shows how vindictive this woman really is, man.
	Yeah, this this guy asked Myron if she never made the 911 call call, would she still be caught?
	That's a good question.
	If the grandma uh never made the 911 call, there's a good chance that she she might have been able to get away with it longer.
	What do you what do you think?
	No, I don't think so.
	I mean, the baby probably maybe if the grandmother wouldn't have called the 911, maybe another um relative who have done it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I think that she would have got away longer.
	She would have got caught anyway, but I think she would have got made it maybe another movie.
	Yeah, but later on, and you'll see that a other relative people were like very worried about the the case and the child.
	Mostly like a Casey's best friend.
	She was seeing her uh the baby as it was like her own baby.
	Yes, Casey's best friend was also heavily involved in this child's uh upbringing as well.
	And you guys are gonna see how the family like uh invest a significant amount to finding the child and they and Casey actually starts to get mad about this and jealous.
	It was it will seem that everybody was worried about the baby except like the mother of the baby.
	Exactly, which is wild.
	Um we'll go back to the uh to the video.
	Uh or you know, find out that Kaylee was coming back so that I could go get her.
	Shout out to Dr. B84, says, bruh, this is Clown World.
	Bro, it is, it is Cloud World.
	Facts.
	Big facts, Clown World, man.
	And I ended up going to my boyfriend Anthony's house.
	Oh my god.
	Who lives in Sutton Place?
	Did you talk to Anthony about uh what happened with Kaylee?
	No idea.
	And you talk to anyone about Kaylee about your answer with Kaylee?
	Or about the a couple people, a couple mutual friends.
	Who did you talk to about?
	Um, I talked to Jeff, Jeffrey Hopkins.
	I talked to Juliet Lewis, she's one of my co-workers at Universal.
	She works you still work at Universal?
	Yes.
	What the what do you do at Universal?
	All right, so she's giving a bunch of names, and she said that she works at Universal.
	Let's see where this goes.
	An event coordinator.
	Okay.
	What is Juliet?
	What position she where she works?
	She's also an event coordinator.
	We work in the same department.
	Juliet Lewis doesn't exist.
	Casey had briefly worked at Universal, but hadn't been employed there for over two years prior to this interview.
	And she wasn't an event coordinator.
	She stood behind a kiosk and sold photos of people after they had been on the Incredible Hulk ride.
	Stupid.
	Oh my God.
	Bruh.
	What the hell is going on here?
	Uh shout out to Dow Patroncos.
	Mexican nanny name generator.
	Yo, facts.
	He's feeble.
	Yo, facts.
	That's what she did.
	She just got went ahead and got the fucking Mexican nanny name generator.
	Yo.
	Number for Julia.
	Offhand.
	I can't think of what she and your SIM card.
	No, she's not.
	Some of the more recent numbers, her number just changed because she just moved back up north.
	She within the last one.
	Like Julia is also a weird ass name, too.
	Like, who calls anyone Juliet?
	Like, yo, you would, if you knew someone for real, you would call them by like Julie or Jules or Julia or something like that.
	Like, people don't use formal names for their friends and people that they really know a lot of the times.
	Like they'll be like, Oh, yeah, her government name is this, but we call her Julia, whatever.
	So that was also red flag, you know?
	Yeah.
	So that's also strange.
	Two months has finished moving up to New York.
	She's subducing her apartment.
	So Juliet doesn't work at the universal.
	No, she does not.
	Okay.
	So see how she see what she did.
	She did it again, guys.
	She gave a lie, and then she gave herself an out.
	Oh, I don't know her number.
	Uh, she's in New York now.
	She's subleasing an apartment, so uh, it's gonna be harder to find her.
	Exactly.
	So she she gives a lie, and then she gives herself a nice, you know, backdoor way out, right?
	And I here's the thing.
	Listening to this interview is giving me like deja vu of like dealing with criminals because this is a great telltale sign that someone's a liar.
	They give you a fact, right?
	And then when and they um it's like they know that you're gonna follow up on that fact.
	Well, not a fact in this case, but they give you uh a piece of information, they know you're gonna follow up on that piece of information with a little bit more detail, and then they give themselves an out.
	Oh, I don't know, but I know that they moved to this place in New York, sublis, because it's gonna be very difficult for you as an investigator to follow up on that, right?
	How the hell are you gonna find a Juliet that used to work universal, sub-leasing an apartment in New York City?
	Whose boyfriend's name is Romeo, I have people saying they can't.
	Yeah, like what the hell, yeah, right?
	Like, what the fuck is going on, bro?
	Right.
	People say Juliette Lewis was actual like an actual name for an actress.
	Okay.
	He gave her an extra name.
	Yeah, so it's it's wild.
	Like, what are you gonna do?
	Right.
	So the detective probably at this point is like, dude, what's going on here?
	Right?
	They're they're probably got some red flags going.
	What's the reason?
	Uh I asked you this before, and I'll ask you just for the record.
	What's the reason you didn't call the police before?
	Okay, so now this right here, guys, is probably the turning point for this detective, right?
	When he's saying this, now he's like, Okay, what the hell is going on?
	This woman has a convenient excuse for each one of her little statements.
	What's going on here?
	I think part of me was naive enough to think that I could handle this myself, which obviously I I couldn't.
	And I was scared that something would happen to her if I did notify the authorities or got the media involved.
	Just fear of the unknown, fear of the potential of Kaylee getting hurt of not seeing my daughter again.
	I actually just be honest and answer before we went on tape, and I'll ask you again just to make sure we're clear.
	He's smart, he's doing this on purpose to get it on the record, guys, right?
	Because a lot of the times when you bring a suspect in, right, you're building rapport with them.
	A lot of the stuff doesn't get caught on on tape, right?
	You're like asking them general questions, tell me about what you're interested in, whatever.
	It's not like the movies, guys, where you bring the suspect in, hey, I need you to tell me everything right now, god damn it, or else like with a little light, and it's like flickering around and they're smacking them around and stuff, guys.
	It doesn't work that way.
	You have to bring the suspect in and build rapport, shoot the shit with them a little bit, talk about life, ask them about family, ask them about their kid in this case, maybe a deceased child that they may or may not have been involved in the disappearance and murder of.
	You gotta go ahead and build rapport with the individual first, so you can go ahead and get the information out of them first after the fact.
	Because when you're an investigator, whether you're a detective, special agent, whatever it is, people are scared to talk to you, right?
	So you gotta get them to talk to you, and you gotta break that stigma early.
	So a lot of the times you're just shooting the crap.
	I've told you guys before, I've been in interviews with trauma lessers, terrorists, the the drug traffickers, killers, etc.
	I shoot the crap with them for an hour talking about video games sometimes, or I'll talk about sports, or I'll talk about uh interests and hobbies.
	I'll talk about whatever they like.
	This is why I try to be well first.
	So they will feel comfortable, right?
	Yes with you.
	Absolutely to be a rapport.
	Yes, you have to.
	It's not like the movies where it's like you're yelling at them in a dark room.
	It doesn't work that way.
	They could just say, Oh, I want a lawyer, and then you're you're you're done.
	You can't talk to them anymore, right?
	This isn't this ain't the CIA where you're waterboarded people, like, oh, you don't want to talk?
	Okay, get the towel.
	Like it doesn't work that way, man.
	When you're doing criminal investigations, you need to be able to get the information legally and lawfully.
	A lot of times these interviews are recorded, so you have to build rapport with the individual.
	So it'll be happen where like for the first hour, I'll sit there and talk with them about video games or some other random stuff.
	Yeah, and that opens them up, and then bam, I'm able to get information.
	So the reason why this detective guys is saying, Okay, I'm gonna say this and reiterate this again is because he knows he's recorded now, so he wants to go ahead and get her statements video taped.
	because here's the other beauty that you guys gotta know.
	Since she is a witness, he doesn't have to mirandize her.
	Okay.
	He doesn't have to tell her you have the right to remain silent.
	Anything you say be he's against you in the court of law, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	Because he's interviewing her as a witness at this point.
	She's not a suspect.
	Yeah.
	So now in his head, he's like, okay, son's off.
	Let me try to, you know, get as much out of this chick as I can now while she's a witness.
	Because I think she's probably gonna lie to me, so I can at least lock her up in this statement now.
	That's why he's asking these questions again on the record, because at this point he's starting to suspect that she's lying, and he needs to lock her in a statement so they can use it against her later on.
	And this is one of the benefits of when you interview someone as a witness first, right?
	You're going in, get a you lock them in in a story, and then if they end up turning to be a suspect, right through investigation, you have a statement already.
	So they have to like take advantage of her, kind of before she calls a lawyer.
	To it to a degree.
	Yeah, to a degree.
	I would say at this point in the interview, the the detective is probably starting to suspect that she might be involved.
	So he's like, all right, let me just let me just start to go ahead and get her locked into a statement at this point from a witness standpoint.
	So the detective is actually very smart here playing uh 4D chess.
	Is there anything about this story that you're telling me that is untrue?
	Or is there anything that you want to do?
	Guys, like the video because ain't nobody else on YouTube, a former investigator telling you guys what detectives are thinking about when they're interviewing suspects and or witnesses.
	So like the video, subscribe to the channel.
	Umgie drop your Instagram because they've been asking for it for a bit.
	What is it?
	Okay, it's so Angelica Angelica with two A's at the end.
	There you go, guys.
	So Angelica with two A's at the end.
	Go ahead and send the dick pic.
	Interchange or divert from that you've already told me.
	What are you doing?
	Did you cause any Andrew to your child, Kaylee?
	No, sir.
	See, so now, like I said before, he's locking her in a statement, right?
	So to see the lunacy, because this is the point where he's starting to shift.
	Did you hurt Kaylee or leave her somewhere and you're worried that if we find that out that people don't look at you a wrong way?
	No, sir.
	You're telling me that Zanaida took your child without your permission, hasn't returned her.
	The last person that I've seen with my daughter, yes.
	She's a Puerto Rican, is she Dominican?
	Is she white?
	She's mixed.
	She's black and Puerto Rican.
	What?
	What?
	What the fuck?
	And and just so you guys know, the reason why she sank Puerto Rican is because in Orlando, Central Florida, uh, lot huge Puerto Rican population.
	So that's why she's saying that.
	Right?
	You come down to Miami, we don't have as many Puerto Ricans as uh Central Florida, but Orlando, run by the Puerto Ricans, man.
	But she said also that Signado was from New York, or all her family was from New York, and a lot of Puerto Ricans are in New York's.
	That's too as well.
	Yeah, good point.
	Good point.
	Yeah.
	So, and also I want to let y'all know, guys, that he doesn't have to memorize her, also because she does she's not under arrest at this point, guys.
	He's interviewing her, she's free to leave.
	It's not a custodial interview.
	So he's gathering as much facts as he can.
	This almost kind of a freebie for the detective to get a free statement from her now that he's starting to suspect that she might be involved in a situation uh uh in the criminal activity.
	Is there any underlying cause to why Zenia was taking her child?
	Nothing that she ever make any statements to you about only how much she loves Kaylee and how great of a kid she is.
	And when you talk to Jeffrey afterwards, I'm assuming that Jeffrey's child is still with him.
	His child is still with him.
	He said Zana had family up in uh New England, up in New York.
	Yes, she has family down south.
	Her mother, her sister, um, her brother's in New York.
	She's originally from New York, pretty much grew up there, moved down here, went to the University of Florida.
	Zanaida, the nanny, doesn't exist.
	Casey never had a babysitter.
	Being the retrospective viewer, we have the benefit of knowing these are outright fabrications, and these meticulous details are a textbook sign of a pathological liar.
	She speaks eloquently and naturally as if her dialogue is a reflex response to the questions she's being asked.
	When in reality, each of these minor details are calculated and deliberately placed for the purpose of deception.
	And the nonchalant, easy-going tone she employs is used to camouflage anxiety.
	Casey has not only become accustomed to manipulation, she has become extremely skilled in how to use it effectively.
	It takes us to the concept of nurture and how it most likely had a significant impact on her current circumstances.
	If we go through what we know about Casey's domestic history, all right, guys.
	This is very telling stuff right here.
	Pay attention because uh you guys are gonna see literally the epitome of lack of accountability being reinforced throughout this woman's life.
	There are numerous occasions where she had gotten away with things that most would not simply due to the fact that she was able to continuously lie without conscience.
	A prime example could be when she was 18 years old and stopped attending class midway through her senior year.
	She literally skipped the entire second half of her final year to go hang out with her older boyfriend.
	Her parents became suspicious on several occasions, yet each and every time Casey had some whimsical excuse to which she was given the benefit of the doubt.
	Then just days before graduation, her parents were informed by the school of her truancy and that she would not be graduating.
	When confronted, Casey's excuse was that her timetable was mixed up by the school, causing her to miss classes through no fault of her own.
	Yeah, this is obviously a completely baffling excuse that no sane person would ever believe.
	Yet whether it be through denial or an overprotective nature, Casey's parents not only took her at her word, but even shielded her from the consequences of her actions.
	They lied to all their family friends that she graduated with honors and even threw her an extravagant graduation party the day after.
	This is just one of guys, holy young parents of the year.
	Yeah, parents of the year.
	L parenting, guys.
	Like, yo.
	She missed the whole half of her second year of uh of her senior year, the whole second half, and she's like, oh, yo, like they just didn't mark me there.
	I was in class, they just marked me not there.
	What the hell?
	Like, yeah, they shielded her.
	They shielded her.
	And and this is why.
	This is the recipe, like this parents right here.
	This is the recipe to create like psycho kids, you know.
	Yeah.
	Like expoil your kids too much.
	This is what you get.
	Yeah.
	Crazy people.
	Good point.
	I mean, this is what happens when you hold your k children accountable, guys, because I've said it before, I'll say it again.
	The parents, especially the father, is the first line of defense to the child, understanding that there's consequences when you do stupid stuff in life.
	Okay, I was gonna say stupid stuff, but I'm trying to keep it clean here.
	I keep getting yellow marks on on YouTube.
	But this is the cut, there's consequences when you make you know stupid mistakes in life.
	And the father is supposed to be there to be that first line of defense to teach you, yo, you're not supposed to do this.
	Clearly, they didn't do that, and then what happens?
	This bad uh habit, this bad mindset continues on throughout life, and then now she's an adult making stupid decisions, right?
	Allegedly killing her daughter and thinking, Oh, it wasn't me.
	She got kidnapped by Zanaida.
	Like, I had nothing to do with this.
	No, I read somewhere that people, even they're like uh Casey's friends, she uh throughout like high school and everything and uh everything in her life, she will lie to everybody.
	She made up like stories, she will say anything about her life that wasn't true, and people will believe her.
	Yeah, so that's what thought of that crazy current.
	No, it's very true.
	Like people weren't able to get a read on her, guys.
	A lot of her high school classmates also like this was like she was kind of go with the flow, but she didn't really have her own personality, she was very malleable depending on the situation that she was in, which you can't trust people like that.
	This is why you can't be around yes men, you can't be around yes women.
	You need people that are able to kind of challenge her views or give you a different perspective, etc.
	She didn't have that, she just kind of conformed to whatever situation she was in and just kind of went with the flow, which those people are very dangerous, okay?
	Because you don't know where they really stand.
	The many occurrences where Casey faced no ramifications for misconduct.
	It seemed to give her the belief that no matter what she did, as long as she could spin one lie after another, or at least drag a lie out for as long as possible.
	And also, let's be honest here, guys.
	She's not ugly, she's not an ugly woman.
	I mean, obviously, we're seeing her trial pictures, right?
	When she has no makeup on and stuff like that, but she's not an ugly girl.
	So, and remember in Orlando, this girl's like gonna be hot in the eyes of most people in Orlando in Miami.
	She wouldn't no one give a shit in Miami, I'll be honest here.
	Okay in Miami, but uh, but in Orlando, right?
	She's gonna be attractive to a majority of men, bro.
	And a lot of the times, pretty privilege is real.
	So you have parents that reinforce your bad behavior, don't punish you for it.
	Then you got society who's gonna give you the benefit of doubt, and you're a pathological liar.
	Think about it.
	No one is holding you accountable for your decisions.
	Well, apparently Casey was very dependent on their relationships too.
	Well, she had lots of boyfriends.
	Oh, yeah, I believe that.
	I believe that.
	She had 304.
	Which you guys are gonna see that here in a second.
	What she ended up doing those during those 31 days.
	Possible.
	Everything would work itself out.
	The truth is that everything did work itself out when she was dealing with her parents.
	And she evidently thought the same rules applied with regard to national law and a missing child's investigation.
	After the initial statement you just heard, Casey was asked if she could take police to all places of interest.
	She happily obliged and then proceeded to lead them to awesome.
	Multitude of fake addresses, which she had nothing to do with.
	She then took them to her supposed office at Universal Studios and literally led three senior investigators to the very end of the building, taking over 25 minutes to walk to before she finally turned around, put her hands in her back pockets, laughed, and admitted that she didn't work there.
	Completely bro, what the hell?
	Yo, yo, like confound it.
	I I mean, if you're literally like, ha ha to the Yeah, seriously, could you imagine?
	I used to work at this uh this place, let me take out here.
	And then next thing you know, it's like, oh no, uh, my bad dog, I didn't used to work here.
	Like, what's going on?
	Which speaking of which, guys, I'm gonna go ahead and show you guys a clip from the detective that was involved in this situation, okay.
	And he's gonna reaccount how they she took them on this wild goose chase.
	All right, this is one of the detectives that was involved in the case.
	I mean, it doesn't really doesn't phase her.
	That's amazing.
	So, I mean, it really is amazing to me.
	She's 22 years old, she has no criminal record.
	Correct.
	You place her under arrest for child neglect, and she has no.
	We will arrest her and charge her with child neglect.
	Seemed worried about that child.
	Except for the child's mother, yeah.
	In hindsight, you know, was there something else that could have been done differently?
	Or honestly, don't believe anything we would have done with her part.
	Okay, why?
	Well, because we're at the point where we had done everything else.
	Melch now he spent time with her, he has driven her around, she's shown him this apartment where Zanny then any lives.
	Nobody's lived in that apartment.
	We know this is all since she made up.
	And so at this point, Melch and I interview her in her conference room there at uh Universal Studios.
	As I go through my investigation, I'm discovering a series of questions that need answering.
	Like, should they have come to So they they used it in trial, guys?
	How she made them walk around for 20 plus minutes in Universal Studios, and she walked into this, like No, no, only Universal Studios to take the she took them to two or three different addresses.
	Yes, that didn't exist.
	Like then nobody there were nobody, there were nobody living there.
	Whereas then now is a Zanny, Zanny the Nanny was living.
	Sunny, you know what I mean?
	And Jeff and Jeff.
	Well, Jeff considered another way to interrogate Casey.
	Everything's coming out of your mouth is a lie.
	So obviously, they're very frustrated at that point.
	I'm trying to find hold on.
	Okay, hold on.
	So the computer goes, that person's not an employee.
	No, there's no reason to go to my office.
	What were you thinking would happen when she's confronted with the lie about working at Universal?
	So they know at this point that she's lying about working at Universal.
	So they're like, you know what?
	Yo, you got an office there, don't you?
	And watch what they do here.
	Gotcha, bitch.
	We figure this point, she she maybe she'll tell the truth.
	But instead, as we're on the road, and I ask her, why don't we go by your office at Universal and uh maybe we'll find evidence out there that will help us?
	And she agrees.
	She says, Absolutely, let's go there, we'll look.
	No hesitation.
	Imagine, like, yo, the craziness.
	I'm there with three detectives, right?
	And they're trying to find my daughter.
	And I know I don't work at Universal no more.
	I know I don't got an office.
	But you know what?
	Fuck it.
	Let's go, guys.
	Let's do this.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, yo, this is wild.
	So let's fucked up.
	And the wild part is she's sober during this whole all this stuff.
	She ain't even drunk or nothing.
	She's just sober.
	Like, yeah, let's do it.
	None whatsoever.
	I mean, and so we drive there and we follow her as she walks to the employee entrance, and we essentially watch the interaction between Casey and the security guard where he's telling her.
	So they're smart.
	They're like, All right, let's sit back and see how she interacts with the other employees here.
	So she walks up to the security guard first.
	Watch this.
	I'm sorry, we don't have a Casey Anthony employee here.
	Casey goes, No, no, I work here.
	I just don't have my employee ID.
	Look again.
	He looks again.
	And then he asked her, he says, Well, what's your supervisor's name?
	And Casey just makes up a name.
	And the security guard looks at the computer, he goes, That person's not an employee here either.
	And so Bro, like and imagine like how she's like the crazy part is she has three investigators for her.
	Right?
	The audacity to drag them all the way to Universal Studios.
	She has three investigators with her.
	She goes up to the security guard.
	And guys, she's doing this all calm, collected.
	Oh no, there's no way.
	I work here.
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	The one thing about Casey Anthony that you guys can notice from uh a lot of the people that were involved in this investigation is that she was always calm and collected.
	All right.
	So um even when she was caught in her life, she was like calm.
	She was always calm.
	The security director.
	I guess the Zannies worked out or something.
	Directs him to let us in.
	So at this point, Detective Mellich, Detective Wells, Casey, uh, the security director and myself, we walked the back area at Universal.
	And we so bam, that's the entrance right here, and this is where they ended up.
	25 minutes.
	We walked to the HR building.
	We we entered the HR building, and and and this whole time we're essentially making small talk.
	Yeah, there's no urgency or there's no there's no real concern.
	So she's not stressed, she's relaxed.
	Absolutely.
	Casey begins waving at people who are busy at their desk working, and these people are waving back, and you can kind of tell they're confused about why we're there.
	And so my god, bro.
	So you got three detectives with you.
	You're walking through the the HR area, the office area.
	Hey, yeah, what up, bro?
	Hey, you know, and they're like, who's this?
	Yeah, who is this fucking bitch, right?
	Could you imagine?
	She just like just going out with the lie.
	Like, let's just keep going here.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, hey, what's up, guys?
	Yeah.
	Like, bro, what the hell is going on, man?
	Like, so I can manifest a job.
	These guys manifest the job.
	Yo, this is the definition of manifesting the job right here.
	Finally, we turned down a hallway and it's a dead end.
	And at this point, Casey looks at us and says, I don't really work here.
	And she laughed as well, guys.
	Uh, sorry, guys, I don't really work here.
	Yeah, no shit.
	Oh, man.
	All right, let's get back into it.
	The detectives placed her under arrest and took her to a conference room in the building for what was essentially an interrogation.
	Since I and they arrested her for child neglect, guys, at this point, right?
	Because at this point, it's like, come on, man, what the hell is going on here?
	Left here this morning.
	I got to every address that you told me.
	I came over here.
	I've already talked to all the employees.
	I found out all these names that you're giving me are people that either never worked here or have been fired here for a long time ago.
	Okay.
	So where we are right now is in a position that doesn't look very good for you.
	Because obviously, I know, and you know that everything you told me is a lie, correct?
	Not everything that I told you.
	Pretty much everything that you told me.
	Where Kaylee is right now.
	Yeah.
	And you know what?
	Let me speak about this real quick for you guys.
	You have a very mad this girl.
	Yeah.
	Um, so I've done investigations, guys, with missing kids before.
	Um, and let me tell you guys anytime you have a missing child, I remember one big one I had was uh there was a kid that we thought had got kidnapped and uh taken to Mexico.
	And anytime uh you have a missing child, we drop everything, everything gets dropped.
	I remember it was like midnight or something like that, and I got a call um from my partner.
	He was on he was on call that night.
	He was like, Hey, bro, we got this lead, this girl is missing, etc.
	etc.
	There was a lead, she had been you know taken from Houston, Texas, brought down to Laredo, Texas, and brought across the border.
	It was a minor, etc.
	Guys, we don't even really the group that I was in, we don't really investigate kidnappings of children, but we dropped everything that we were doing, and we went ahead and we we took it on.
	You know what I mean?
	Because we were on call that night, it is what it is.
	We called our supervisor, we called everyone that we knew.
	I call all my contacts from DPS.
	Hell, I didn't even get along with the FBI like that.
	I caught we we were in contact with them.
	We're doing everything to find this girl.
	We went down to the to the um to the international bridge, looked at all the cameras.
	we were up until what seven, eight o'clock that morning.
	Um, and we ended up finding where where the girl was, you know.
	Thank God.
	But the point I'm trying to make here is that anytime you have a missing child, everything for that department, that squad, that group, whatever, gets dropped, and you it's all hands on deck to find the missing child.
	So the reason why these detective, and I'm trying to push you guys in their shoes a little bit from an investigator standpoint.
	They probably haven't slept, they probably have barely been eating, they've been focusing on this case only, they've dropped everything else they're doing.
	The entire department is involved.
	You got search parties going around, you have uh, you know, the media involved where you're uh you have leads coming in, etc.
	There's been a ridiculous amount of resources, time, and effort uh, you know, being used to find this kid, and you're dealing with the mom, and you're assuming the mom wants to get the find the kid.
	So she leads you on this wild goose chase, she's doing all this wild stuff, she's lying to you, etc.
	So, as an investigator, right?
	Your job is to find the kid first.
	You don't care about a criminal case.
	Your job is to find the kid first.
	So anybody that gets in your way of finding the child is an enemy.
	Is a suspect, right?
	They're a suspect and they're an enemy, and you look at them like fuck you, I'm going to ruin your life because all these hours that I spent dealing with you that I could have went if to you know divert it to go in to find this kid, because the thing is, guys, anytime you have a missing child, every hour that ticks by, the likelihood of finding that child alive diminishes.
	Now, at this point, it's been 30 days, right?
	So they're at this point, they're probably trying to find a body or they're or you know, they're they're well, there's this nanny.
	So they think that the kid's alive, actually.
	Let me rephrase that.
	They think the kid's alive.
	So they're moving with speed because every hour that ticks by, the chance of finding the kid alive goes down.
	So you can um, and I'm trying to give you guys like the an investigator's perspective here of why they're being uh why they're so angry.
	Now, normally you're not supposed to put your uh emotions in an investigation, but when there's kids involved, bro, a lot of these guys have children, they have uh daughters, they have sons, they have children that are this age.
	So it's very difficult for you to not have your emotions involved when you're looking for a child.
	I mean, I'm not gonna lie to y'all.
	When I was looking for the kid, I was putting all my effort in.
	I don't got no kids, I don't want no kids, but I can only imagine, right?
	If someone else is trying to find their child, I'm gonna do everything I can.
	I'm a single guy, I don't fucking have shit to lose.
	I spent all day looking for that kid, and I'll do it gladly.
	It was actually one of the most fulfilling things.
	So when someone gets in the way, you get a certain rage, and you you yeah, you get emotionally invested because you're trying to find that child.
	So that is why you guys are about to witness the anger, the frustration, uh, and the tone that the detectives are about to have with Casey, who's supposed to be the fucking mother, the guardian and protector.
	That's why they're so angry.
	Do you have something, Andrew?
	Yeah, she was she should be like the most suspected person to help the investigators.
	If she was the least, like the worst point.
	Yeah.
	So that is why they're so frustrated.
	We're gonna, you guys are gonna see that here in a second.
	So again, you know, you should always div uh divorce your emotions from investigations, but when you haven't slept, when you haven't eaten, you've been prioritizing finding this kid.
	And still they got like very easy on her.
	Yeah, yeah, they're still, yeah, I think they're being nice.
	What you guys are about to see, I I would have I would have been way meaner to this chick at this point.
	You know what I mean?
	Uh but yeah, man, everything it's all hands on deck when there's a missing child, guys.
	That I still I don't know where she is.
	Sure, you do.
	And here's absolutely let me let me explain something.
	Looking at you, I know that everything that you told me is a lie.
	I'm very confident just by having talked to you the short period of time that you know where she is.
	I legitimately have not seen my daughter in five weeks.
	I didn't let anything happen to her, except I trusted her with somebody, somebody that had been taking care of her that had been taking good care of her.
	All right, so they just we just caught her in a lie, didn't we, guys?
	Remember when she first talked to 911, she said, Oh, uh, I spoke to my daughter for a moment.
	Remember that?
	Yeah.
	So we just caught her in a lie.
	Totch it, bitch.
	Someone that she was comfortable with that I was comfortable.
	What about Jeff?
	Is that Jeff worked here about until about two months ago?
	No, he hasn't worked here for quite a long time.
	10 months?
	How long?
	It's been at least 10 months.
	He got fired in 2002.
	He hasn't been an employee since he's been a kid.
	Hey, they already knew they answered the questions.
	Catch it, bitch.
	Me too.
	Thank you.
	We put a lot more together than I think you realize we put together.
	My question you is we're in this office because our purpose is coming in.
	So now they're starting to ask her questions that they already know the answer to to see to gauge her truthfulness, which they know she's gonna lie anyway, but at this point, they're like, nah, that we this chick is going to jail.
	a bunch of dead ends.
	Yep.
	Here was to do what.
	I'm trying to think of places where I know she's been you're not answering my question.
	Do you want us to help find your daughter?
	Well, a good starting point would be to answer the questions, okay?
	If I say you we're here because you just ignore that, like I never asked it, and go off in some other direction.
	Is that answering the question?
	Okay.
	Let's go through this again.
	We're here because I lied, because I brought you up here.
	And honestly, I was reaching for stupid.
	Stop our work.
	I want you to tell me how lying to us is going to help us find her daughter.
	It's not going to.
	Well, then if the main thing you want to do is find your daughter, and you don't think lying to us is gonna help us find her.
	Why would you do that?
	And that is a damn good question.
	Like, what are you doing?
	Like, what are you seriously?
	You stupid.
	We're trying to help you find her daughter.
	Why are you getting in the way?
	And at this point, right?
	They're like, nah, this chick, this chick is involved.
	You know.
	But at this point, they're just trying to lock her in a statement.
	And yeah, the detectives are extremely frustrated because they've dropped everything they're doing to find this kid, rightfully so.
	And this chick is this woman, Casey is in the fucking way.
	I can feel their frustration.
	I I've been there.
	Because I'm scared.
	And I'm I know I'm running out of options.
	It's been a month.
	What are you scared of?
	Look at that.
	Now she's trying to take the victim route.
	I'm scared.
	You know what I mean?
	I'm scared of not seeing my daughter ever again.
	I'm a parent too.
	I would have been beside myself.
	I have I would have called the police immediately.
	And that's the part that I just don't understand.
	We've got so many resources out there that we could help on day one.
	You didn't know what to do.
	I didn't know what to do.
	At that point, I'm thinking, okay, they haven't been gone that long.
	Maybe I can find them.
	Maybe I can track them down.
	We're not stupid.
	Okay.
	And what you're doing right now is you're you're treating us like we're stupid.
	Everything that's coming out of your mouth is a lie.
	Everything.
	You know, you gave Kaylee to someone and you don't want anyone to find out because you think you're not.
	And I think Melich, guys, if I'm not mistaken, is the lead detective, which means this case is on him.
	This is his investigation.
	He's the lead detective.
	If this thing fails, it's on him.
	If it succeeds, it's on him.
	So obviously he has an enormous amount of pressure on him because he's trying to find this kid alive.
	You know, and this woman getting in the way is hurting the chances of finding this child alive, right?
	Because it at the in their eyes, they think that maybe this babysitter still has this kid and she's just trying to recover for them.
	She they don't know what what no, we have the benefit of 2020 hindsight reacting to this, but back then in 2008, they don't know all these facts that we know now.
	So for him, it's an enormous amount of pressure anytime you have a missing child and you're the lead detective.
	You're a bad mom, or something happened to Kaylee, and Kaylee's buried somewhere or in a trash can somewhere, and you had something to do with it.
	Either way, right now it's not a very pretty picture to be paint.
	You're painting yourself as a very bad person.
	It needs to end.
	The truthful thing is saying I have not seen my daughter the last time that I saw her was on the 9th of June.
	Remember, we had those two people that we were talking about, the person who had an accident, and a person who's just a cold-blooded callous monster.
	That's telling me that you are the second person, this cold-blooded callous monster who doesn't care and doesn't want to help because she's afraid that something so heinous happened that everyone's gonna look at her and say, She's a monster, she deserves to go away, she deserves never see the light of day.
	This bad thing should happen to her.
	I don't want to believe that right now, but you're gonna give me no choice.
	Tell us what happened to Kaylee.
	Tell us what happened to Kaylee.
	And that's the last time that I've seen her.
	I dropped her off.
	Where did you drop her off?
	I dropped her off at that time.
	Oh, she's still sticking to that stupid story with Xandy the nanny.
	No, you didn't.
	That's exactly where we turned her off.
	Did you just think that one day she's just gonna show up at your house?
	No, I sat around yesterday trying to figure out what to do.
	I'm glad that I ended up seeing my mom.
	That all of that stuff happened.
	Happened for a reason because you're glad you saw your mom.
	You could have saw your mom.
	Yeah, yeah.
	When I add the conversation that I said earlier that so that why I mean how the the mom found out about Casey, is that because she was found at the boyfriend's house, smoking pot and stuff and stuff.
	Yeah, watching the movie.
	Yeah, if the mom, I mean, so the reason why she got caught, or that if the reason why she appeared because she was missing for five weeks, month is because she was right, she was in her boyfriend's uh house.
	But the thing is that uh the car was missing, they found the car, and the towing company that called the the owner of the car, which is like uh Casey's father.
	Yep.
	That's how they found out that she was I mean, she was actually in Orlando because she said that she wasn't in Tampa.
	Yeah.
	But she was actually in Orlando with her boyfriend.
	Yeah.
	So she said she was working in Tampa the whole time, guys.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean.
	It's I mean, this girl never wanted to find the child, and they would have called 911 if it wasn't for her mother.
	Yeah.
	The grandmother of the child.
	Yeah.
	So I don't know.
	It's just fucking delusional We've both come and see a white woman deserve less At least goes in I saw my mom's reaction right off the bat, and it would have been the same from the get-go.
	So wait a minute.
	You're more afraid of your mom's reaction than you are if you ever see your daughter again.
	No, I'm absolutely Yeah, they're asking the right the right questions here.
	Absolutely petrified.
	I know my mom will never forgive me.
	I'm never gonna forgive myself.
	Is it that there's some other thing more important in your life right now that you just weren't really focused on uh what you were saying when you told us you kind of just accidentally told us you had an office here and we needed to be here, or did you purposely mislead us?
	Which of those two is it?
	Okay, so you purposely misled us.
	This was all an attempt to help find your daughter, right?
	That makes sense to you, Craig.
	In a backwards sort of way, yes.
	In a backwards sort of way, like what is going on?
	Bro, this girl is crazy, like I wild.
	I'm coming back to places that are familiar to me that I know are familiar to her.
	Familiar situations that just mean help.
	She's almost three.
	She's almost three.
	What do you think she's gonna take a cab here?
	I mean she's baby.
	You know, at this point, the detectives are just like, yo, you know what, man, like finish this chick, man.
	She's stupid.
	Oh, we gonna roast this, but you but you gonna make us come to Universal Studios and uh with the security director and the security act looking at us crazy, and you waving to all these people like work here making us look wild.
	You you we're gonna cook you right now.
	We're gonna bring you to this interrogation room, or we're gonna bring you in this random room.
	We're gonna handcuff your dumb ass.
	We're gonna ask you a bunch of questions to make you look stupid.
	All right, because this is ridiculous.
	You stupid at this point, they're just gonna cook her.
	Uh with someone else.
	She's with someone else who's hid her from you for five weeks.
	Yes.
	For no reason.
	Why would a person who has hid your daughter from you for five weeks, okay, bring her to the building that you used to work at.
	I don't know what else to do anymore.
	If I knew where she was, if something would have happened, I would have admitted that all the time.
	Do you believe thinking about more lies to tell Swapas?
	Yeah.
	She's with someone that I absolutely do not trust.
	And I'm absolutely scared.
	I don't trust me.
	What is going on?
	Because of what happened.
	Who did you call first?
	Who did you go to for help?
	First, she helped try to find her.
	No one.
	Oh no, okay.
	Alright.
	Okay.
	I ain't gonna lie.
	I enjoyed this segment of this documentary.
	Probably one of the most them just like just constantly shitting on her.
	Like, yo, what are you talking about?
	Like this is like this is what being held accountable for your stupidity looks like, guys.
	And you could tell this is probably the first time in this woman's life that she's actually had her feet to the fire and had her delusion and her lunacy tested through the reality that the detectives are painting for her.
	Yo, what is wrong with you?
	Backward sort of way.
	What are you talking about?
	You don't trust this woman, but you've had her for a year and a half.
	They're just like, Hanner, bam, reality.
	Bam reality, bam reality.
	You know what I mean?
	It's fantastic.
	Boom book!
	All right.
	Casey was then taken to the county jail where she in the evening hours was able to make a phone call and just happened to see her mother on the local news moments before speaking to her.
	Casey mom.
	Hey, Prudy.
	Oh guys, but there's more.
	Pay attention here.
	So she calls her mom from a jail cell phone, by the way.
	Not a jail cell phone.
	Sorry, a jail call, right?
	From a jail phone.
	So it's obviously recorded.
	Let's see what how her interaction goes with her with her mom, Cindy.
	What's fun?
	What fun?
	I did four different ones, and I don't know.
	I haven't seen them all.
	I've only seen one or two so far.
	You don't know what my involvement is and stuff?
	Casey mom.
	What?
	No.
	I don't know what your involvement is, sweetheart.
	Are you kidding me?
	Don't waste your call.
	Sitting in the jail.
	Whose fault is you're sitting in the jail?
	You're blaming me that you're sitting in the jail.
	Blame yourself for telling lies.
	You mean it's not your fault.
	Look at that she can't even take accountability now.
	Like this is crazy, man.
	What is going on?
	She's mad at a hill because she got caught in her life.
	So funny.
	Yeah, she's mad because her mom is on national television, okay, trying to appeal to the public to find Casey.
	Because guys, you gotta remember, like I said before, when there's a missing child, all hands are on deck.
	The media's involved, the parents are doing press conferences.
	Hey, here's my my my granddaughter.
	This is what she looks like.
	This is how old she is.
	This is uh her heightened weight, uh, eye color, this is what she was last wearing.
	They're doing all this, right?
	This was a big case.
	Yes, back then.
	Yes, it was huge back then, guys.
	So there wasn't social media like there is now.
	So you had to go to the press to get the media coverage.
	This is 2008.
	The best we had back then was MySpace and Facebook.
	And for all my older people out there, y'all know those apps are trash, okay?
	Which is why they're obsolete now.
	So the news was the main medium to get that information out there.
	So she had done three or four different um press runs with the news, and obviously, you know, she's like, hey, blah, blah, blah.
	Casey's more concerned with her not covering for her for her versus finding her daughter, which is a very telling sign.
	It's not your fault, sweetheart.
	If you had called the truth and not lied about everything, they wouldn't give me a favor, just tell me what Tony's number is.
	I don't want to talk to you right now.
	I don't have his number.
	Um, we'll get it from Lee because I know Lee's at the house.
	Get Tony's number for me.
	Hey, can you give me Tony's number?
	I can do that.
	I don't know what real good is gonna do at this point.
	So he's like, yo, like, why do you want to talk to your boyfriend Tony?
	What's that gonna do?
	What's this club promoter gonna do for you?
	Like what?
	Stupid.
	Like in her own world, guys.
	Well, I'd like to talk to them anyway.
	Because I call to talk to my mother and waste.
	Oh, by the way, I don't want any of you coming up here when I have my first hearing for bond and everything else.
	Like, don't even waste your time coming up here.
	You're making it real tough for anybody to want to try to So her brother's header with logic, like, bro, what is wrong with you?
	Like, what what are you doing?
	You know, and you're making it hard for us to even want to deal with you right now.
	It's like I don't care, I don't want none of you come up here.
	I'm not going around around with you.
	That's pretty pointless.
	Christina would love to talk to you because she thinks that you will tell her what's gonna be.
	And this is the best friend that um Andrew was telling y'all about before.
	And I want you guys to look at the the the this the difference between the best friend who isn't even biologically related to this child and the biological mom.
	We're gonna find out everything.
	If I knew where Kaylee was, do you think any of this would be happening?
	No.
	Anyway, you only got a couple minutes for this, so I'm not gonna let you see the waste of your school soon if she can shoot.
	No, no, I want Tony's number.
	I'm not talking any more.
	See if she can get through to you.
	So even the family's starting to have doubts here.
	You guys can tell with their dismissive tone talking with her, they're not even sure anymore what's going on.
	Because at this point they know that she's been lying to the police all this time, which is why she's in jail in the first place.
	Hi, I'm glad everybody's at my house.
	Do me a favor, get my brother back because I need Tony's number.
	Nothing.
	Okay, so why do you want to talk to Tony?
	Oh, asking the real question.
	Asking the real questions.
	You know what I mean?
	Christina, asking the real goddamn questions.
	Yo, what does Tony have to do with this?
	And why do you want to talk to him?
	Like, what are you doing?
	Like, yo, you stupid.
	He's my boyfriend, and I won't actually try to sit and talk to him because I didn't get a chance to talk to him earlier.
	I got arrested on whim today.
	So I got arrested on a whim.
	No, you dragged the police to multiple locations that didn't exist for some Zanny Nanny that doesn't exist.
	You made a bunch of lies about people that you worked with, and you lying about l uh working at Universal Studios.
	You let them on a wild goose chase for 30 minutes almost, all around, having a bunch of employees go all like, hey, what the hell's wrong with this?
	Uh this chick crazy?
	Of course they're gonna go ahead and arrest you.
	I mean, the fucking poll state was looking for that girl.
	Yes.
	In the bucked in.
	Yes.
	And she was just misleading the investigation.
	Yes.
	This is insane.
	And she goes ahead and says, Oh, uh, they arrested me on a whim.
	Like, what?
	Oh, Lord.
	They nerfed.
	I just want to talk to Tony and get a little bit of Casey who has to tell me if you know anything about Kaylee.
	We don't anything happen with Kaylee, Casey.
	I'll die.
	Look at her.
	She's crying.
	If anything happens to Kaylee, Casey, I'll die.
	You understand?
	I'll die.
	This is her best friend.
	Not even the mother.
	No emotion.
	But the best friend is literally crying on the phone.
	I'll die.
	Oh my god.
	Calling you guys?
	What?
	Yo.
	This girl is on demon time, bro.
	Huge waste.
	Wait.
	Casey appeared in the court the next morning and was initially denied bail by the judge.
	He cited his reason as her undeniable disregard for the welfare of her own child.
	She was kept in protective custody, and it would be nine days until she received her first visit from her parents.
	Hey, guys, sorry for the qualities you ever said.
	Y'all can see this is 2008 technology, man.
	So you know it is what it is.
	Oh, this is very important.
	Yeah, so this is her parents here, guys.
	Here's George and Cindy.
	They're meeting her in jail nine days after the fact.
	I want you guys to pay attention to her uh her demeanor here.
	Sweetie, you can see we've been we've been watching you for so long.
	Yeah, I love you.
	I love you too.
	Hi.
	We've been seeing you sitting down.
	We we forgive anything that you've said.
	The echo is from the video, guys.
	It's not us.
	This is just 2008 technology, as y'all know.
	Oh, or dad.
	Hold on.
	Can we turn the volume down?
	Yeah, can you probably hear it?
	My head's gonna explode.
	What's that t-shirt?
	I didn't get a chance to ask him, you know, other things.
	Kaylee's pictures on the back.
	Is it?
	Can Daddy show me the shirt?
	Turn around so you can see.
	It's the never lose hope foundation.
	Do you see it?
	I can see her.
	Yeah.
	Have you seen me?
	Look at how invested the grandparents are in finding their granddaughter.
	But look at the expression on the mom.
	Right?
	You guys can see the pain in the grandparents' face.
	And actually, you got a pretty you got a bombshell that you want to drop, right?
	You want to drop it now, Angie, or after um when we go to motive.
	You know, wait till motive.
	Wait till motive.
	Okay.
	And then it has the information on how to contact.
	Okay.
	Casey, you don't realize that whole United States is looking for Kaylee.
	I know that, Mom.
	Her cover's gonna be on people magazine in a few days.
	Okay.
	With a readership of over four and guys, but uh let me bring this into context for y'all.
	People being on a magazine back in 2008, being in the news, press coverage, etc.
	was huge back then.
	It's not like nowadays where it's like, oh, you're you're in the news, who cares, bro?
	No one watches like mainstream media.
	Back in 2008, everyone watched mainstream media.
	You are people magazine, time, etc.
	It was a big deal back then.
	All right, because there was no independent media like we have today with YouTube, etc.
	YouTube was barely taking off uh the ground at this point.
	46 million adults in America having your missing child on the front cover of people magazine would seem as a godsend to most.
	Yet Casey's response is almost as if it's a lost cause.
	Everybody is looking for her.
	Good.
	Everybody is looking for her.
	That was such a fake good.
	Holy are we gonna be able to find her?
	Do you think?
	I hope we can, Mom.
	No, I didn't get a chance to ask Lee.
	Um, can you look up a little bit more?
	Raise your eyes up a little bit.
	There you go.
	So actually, look straight up so I can look into your eyes, darling.
	Thank you.
	I need you know I need to do that.
	It's okay to cry, Casey.
	It's all right.
	Because even the mom now is trying to figure out, like, yo, is this my daughter?
	Like, let me look into your eyes.
	Like, yo, are you are what how do you not care?
	So, like, what the hell's going on here?
	Your dad is wearing uh uh a t-shirt with your daughter's face on it, trying to find them.
	We've done a bunch of interviews.
	The detectives are going crazy.
	We haven't slept.
	We're trying to find Kaylee.
	Like, what why are you looking down?
	What's going on here?
	And it's not until she asks her this question that you see this response.
	Laugh.
	We've all been crying.
	Setting aside morality and ethics for just a moment, Casey at this point would be emotionally exhausted.
	She had been sitting in an isolated jail cell for almost two weeks as the entire world was turning against her.
	Anyone in her position, guilty or otherwise, would be at near breaking point, and her composed exterior now finally slips.
	She, for a brief moment, allows herself to be vulnerable, and for perhaps the first time, expresses the pain of her situation.
	This is one of the few moments where Casey's true self is on display of itself.
	It's a touching moment between a mother and daughter.
	Yet if we add in the context of the surrounding elements, she is only expressing this pain for herself.
	Just a moment ago, when she saw her deceased daughter's face on her father's shirt, none of this emotion came out.
	Casey, I want to ask you just a couple questions.
	Good.
	The rest of the visit is extremely bizarre.
	Casey's parents try to extract any information they can about Kaylee's possible whereabouts, and each time are essentially dismissed by Casey as if they're asking pointless and irritating questions.
	Do we have any pictures of Zanny's apartment?
	Ali and I already talked about this.
	I don't know on the desk at home.
	I don't know.
	So she's annoyed at this point, guys.
	You want to know why?
	Because Zanny doesn't exist.
	That's why she's so annoyed and frustrated with people asking questions about someone that doesn't exist.
	The family is still holding on to this glimmer of hope that she's telling the truth and that the child might be alive with this make pretend uh uh nanny with a super Hispanic name.
	That's Puerto Rican and black from New York that graduated from the University of Florida.
	They're still holding on to this dream.
	No, and maybe if she was uh we still don't know if she killed the baby or what happened with the baby, but if she was she already knew the baby was dead, she's just frustrated because she knows the investigation is gonna go anywhere.
	Exactly.
	That's another reason why, because she knows the baby's not alive, she knows that Zanny doesn't exist, and they keep asking her about it.
	At this point, guys, she's probably been asked hundreds of times, where's Zanny?
	Let's find her.
	Where's your daughter?
	Etc.
	Because they don't know that she's dead yet.
	We have the benefit of 2020 hindsight, but everyone is looking for this girl because they actually believe this deranged mother that she got kidnapped by some super Hispanic Zanny Granny that's from New York.
	What is your I can't get into your um I gave Lee everything already?
	I gave Lee all of the passwords, everything we could possibly get all over again.
	I want to get some video clips off.
	No pictures don't show no, they don't just have personality, right?
	And we need to Ah, that's a key distinction.
	Emotion fades when speaking of her daughter.
	And also, guys, give me a quick favor.
	There's 1700 plus y'all, actually, 2000 uh including the Twitch people.
	Do me a favor, man.
	If you're watching on Twitch, open up a tab, go on YouTube, Feta 1811, uh, watch it on YouTube, like the video, subscribe to the channel.
	Like I said, we're in YouTube jail for a week, guys.
	Um, and we gotta get back in the algo.
	So do me a salad, like the video, guys.
	Bunch y'all watch us supporting.
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	Like subscribe to the channel uh for more breakdowns like this, man.
	Yeah, I gave Lee the password.
	Please look up, sweetheart.
	I need to see your eyes.
	I want to be able to look at you guys too.
	I can't look at you and look at the camera.
	The reason why the mom is asking for her to look her in the eyes is because she wants to believe the fantasy that Casey is painted about the Zanny Granny, aka Zenaida Gonzalez Fernandez Gonzalez.
	She wants to believe that her daughter's her granddaughter's still alive.
	She wants to believe that this is kidnapped her.
	Basically, so she wants to look into her eyes and feel that comfort.
	And um, Casey can't look her mom in the eyes because she knows she's lying.
	She knows.
	Well, you don't have to look at the camera.
	Look at me.
	I'm looking at you.
	Okay, you're sitting very low.
	I know.
	Look at how annoyed she is.
	The exchange switches back and forth from inquisitive and challenging to sympathetic and loving.
	And every time her parents stop inquiring over the case and show that they still care about Casey herself is when the tears come out.
	Do you want to speak to your father now?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Hey, gorgeously.
	Yeah, and you guys are gonna see how they flipped things on the father, which is quite frankly a travesty.
	Um, but we'll get into that as well.
	I look like hell.
	Well, you know something?
	You you really need to keep your spirit high for all this.
	I have.
	I haven't been crying while I've been in here.
	Well, you know, trying to read books and do other things to keep my mind off of stuff.
	Well, you know, I want to be able to reach out and hug you and give you the you know, the baby the big Papa Joe hug.
	But you know, I we gotta get that little girl back any way we can, and we're and we're doing everything we can.
	My only concern I gave Lee a statement.
	I want him to speak to whoever in the media, give them a statement specifically from me.
	That's gonna give them an exact quote.
	Every time Casey's parents mention that people are willing to help with a search, Casey dismisses their credibility and even attacks some of their characters while she's at it.
	Tara Tara from Michigan.
	You mean Mark's psycho ex-wife, Tara.
	Yes.
	Listen, people like Tara, people like Jesse, who are maybe trying to help, even Christina, God bless her.
	Don't know what the hell they're talking about.
	Casey was her ex fiance.
	And uh, you want to give them a little bit so Jesse was who?
	Her ex fiance?
	Yeah.
	So he even joined in.
	Yeah.
	And and just so we know, uh, Angie, uh, that's not the biological father.
	Nobody knows, nobody knows, nobody not even her parents knew give some background on the bio on the give some background real quick on the um the baby's father.
	So basically, um this girl had uh got pregnant when she was 19 with this baby, Kaylee, and nobody knows who was the actual father of the baby because she never told anybody.
	I don't think she actually knows who's the father of the baby.
	But the thing is that back then, when she had the baby, uh she was dating this guy, Jesse Grant, who actually asked her for for marriage, and they got engaged, but then later uh I think after the baby was born or something, uh, he was committed with the relationship.
	He and she I mean, he wanted to like you know, father the baby and everything.
	He was very committed and in love with Casey.
	But he's he claims he claims that she went erratic after she had the baby and her behavior changed, and she left her.
	You he left her because she was very crazy.
	He left her.
	Yeah, because her behavior was erratic.
	Yeah, so no one knows guys who the biological father is, which I thought was very interesting that in any of the documentaries I watched, there's no mention of the biological father.
	So you got the the former fiance even assisting in the situation to help to find the baby, and you got Christina, the best friend, and look at how she reacts.
	Oh, they don't know anything.
	Uh, this girl, this other woman's a psycho, blah blah blah.
	So she just dismisses them as none of them are equipped to help.
	But I think deep down in the back of her mind, she's like, well, it's all she's she just scares about herself and her boyfriend.
	And do you see at the beginning of the interview that she asks her dads about her brother because she just wants her to talk to her brother to get the number of her boyfriend because she just wants to talk to her boyfriend.
	Yep, which is insane.
	But you guys are gonna see what she was doing those during those 31 days with the boyfriend.
	Yep.
	So you can tell me anything.
	I know that, Dad.
	I miss you, sweetie.
	I know that.
	I know she gets emotional again.
	I wish I could.
	And you can see how he babies her.
	You know what I mean?
	Here's the thing.
	God bless this guy, because I could tell he's a good father, but he he babied and coddled this woman throughout her entire life.
	Yeah, which is why she turned into and morphed into this delusional individual that does not understand how the real world works, right?
	Even in in in the worst situation, he still sees his little girl, you know, in it right now.
	That's what he what that's what he sees.
	He still sees his daughter, his little girl.
	Um, and it's hard for him to, you know.
	Uh if you see the whole case And the whole situation, her father was the only one with like a sane head.
	Because the mother was delusional as well.
	Yeah, the mom was really erratic, uh, extremely emotional throughout this situation.
	I mean, the mom, if you think about it, is the one that got her jabbed up in the first place.
	She was the one she called 911.
	As soon as she bought that car file, Kaylee, Casey, she's like, where's Kaylee?
	I'm calling 911.
	Like, you know, and then that's when Casey had to come up with that BS story.
	Oh, the babysitter got her because she saw her mom calling 911.
	So Casey had to come up with the story on the fly, which I give her credit.
	She was able to come up with an elaborate lie while her mom was calling 911.
	Yeah, but later on, her mother covered her lies.
	Oh, did she?
	Yeah.
	Oh shit, we don't cover that in a second two.
	Her dad a better grandpa, you know.
	You've been a great dad, and you've been the best grandfather.
	Don't for a second think otherwise.
	Well, you know.
	You and mom have been the best grandparents.
	Kaylee's been so lucky.
	Kaylee is so lucky to have both of you.
	You fucking Kaylee's been so lucky.
	Hmm.
	That's the past tense, guys.
	Then she immediately switches in and says Kaylee is lucky.
	She caught herself.
	She goes, past tense first.
	AK, you indicative of someone that was deceased.
	Then she goes ahead and fixes herself and makes it the present tense, she is lucky.
	I can't even put into words how glad I am that she's had both of you.
	And that she still has both of you.
	You know, it goes without saying, you know, that our our house is empty without both of you there.
	Poor thing.
	It's empty.
	All the little things we took for granted.
	We miss them so much.
	That's exactly how I feel.
	All your little things and all her little things.
	It's just it hurts.
	We're not we're not there.
	Mom and I are just going through the motions, you know.
	I ate coleslaw today.
	Tell them I ate coleslaw.
	Well, probably a lot of things you never used to eat before.
	Um I hated bologna.
	I've been eating bologna and cheese on occasion.
	Grits, I don't do grits at all.
	It's terrible.
	Well, you know what?
	You're gonna eat what's in front of you.
	We get another glimpse at Casey's skill in fabricating information and her ability to intertwine specific details to afford her lies some credibility.
	These minor intricacies are what would make her extremely convincing if we didn't happen to know otherwise.
	They never searched by her full name.
	They searched.
	And here's the other thing too, I want to tell you guys about liars like this.
	They're the most dangerous because they give you 10% truth, you know, 20% truth, and then 80% lie.
	And the the issue is that when you tell some of like a half truth, well, you have to sit there and actually investigate to make sure the rest of it isn't true.
	So the liars that are able to give you uh a portion that is correct and true, those are the worst ones because it wastes more of your time because you have to figure out okay, what's true, what isn't, and that takes investigative power, time, etc.
	Which does what?
	Takes away from your ability to actually figure out what is really going on.
	And these are the worst people because typically it's always done to deceive and uh send you in the wrong direction, whereas the night the Gonzalez never buy her full name.
	And it's Z-E-N Z-E-N A I D A. I don't think she's a middle name.
	There was never a middle name on anything that I remember seeing.
	And I know she went by both last names.
	She always has.
	Since she was younger since her mom remarried.
	So Flora's gonna say you don't know what her step is.
	Fernandez Gonzalez.
	Fernandez Gonzalez.
	She believes her life.
	Her dad's first name is Victor.
	Look at how convincing she is with this with this line.
	Her dad's first name now, you know that?
	Her stepdad, or that could be a good one.
	Victor and her parents.
	Victor and Gloria are her parents.
	But they're separated or divorced.
	They are as of now, yeah.
	That was her.
	Holy!
	What?
	But I know she is a lot of money.
	That's where she got.
	What the fuck?
	Um, she has a lot of money?
	Then why is she a nanny?
	What?
	Like, what are you I only get one or two um phone calls a day that you know that are not nice phone calls, but I get many, many, many phone calls and many people reaching out that just believe in you.
	They believe in us finding Kaylee.
	Okay.
	So keep your head up high.
	Oh no, that's an understatement.
	Everyone hated Casey Anthony at this point.
	The mom is just lying to not make her feel like crap.
	Everyone hated Casey Anthony at this point and thought and knew she was the perpetrator.
	But if you think of anything that could help, don't be afraid.
	Oh, I won't hesitate to let you guys know.
	You'd have to keep things positive.
	Positive feelings, Casey.
	Oh, I know I have been.
	I've been staying as positive as I can.
	But do you think after this long she'd still be local?
	This is key.
	There's a possibility.
	What's your gut telling you right now?
	Well, you have to tell me that she's okay.
	Okay.
	And your gut tells you that she's close or some she's she's hiding.
	She's not far.
	She's not far.
	I know in my heart she's not far.
	I can feel it.
	Okay.
	This was perhaps the first time you have anything you want to say, add to that, Angie, or no?
	I mean, I will spoil the case.
	Okay, all right.
	We'll we'll keep going then.
	But just know that she there's uh uh once she's not far, but doing what she normally does as the liar, right?
	Gives you uh air of truth with a bunch of BS surrounding it.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	Casey told the truth when speaking of her daughter's whereabouts, as she indeed wasn't that far away.
	Her attorney, Jose Baez, eventually managed to get her bail, and Casey was fitted with an electronic monitoring device and released on August 21st.
	She had spent just over one month in custody.
	Two months later, police were granted permission to arrest Casey on the charge of first degree murder.
	She was she also, guys, um, had a bodyguard during this time.
	Uh because obviously there was a lot of national news on this situation, and um yeah, a lot of people wanted to to hurt her.
	Because at this point there was outrage all over the US.
	And let me see if I could find the part here where they've had the bodyguard.
	They actually interviewed him and he revealed a uh telling piece of information.
	Uh it's right here.
	Bam.
	Absolutely.
	And in this particular case, it left this jury watching their heads.
	This is the judge.
	Tracked down the bodyguard who was assigned to watch Casey's every move when she was released on bail for eight months in August of 2008.
	He was witness to every private moment the Anthony family shared while their daughter stayed in their home.
	Now, let me also let you guys know that typically this is not common to have a b uh bounty, uh the person that a bounty hunter be a bodyguard as well, but you guys gotta remember that when they put up, they put probably had to put up a significant amount of money, right, to go ahead and get this woman out on bail.
	And typically in United States, I know we got a lot of international viewers, so I'll break this down for y'all.
	When you get a bail, guys, right?
	Let's say your bail is set for a hundred thousand dollars, right?
	Which in this case, I don't can you look it up real quick, Angie, how much it was?
	Uh but when you get a bail.
	Five uh five hundred thousand dollars.
	So it's five hundred thousand?
	Okay, so perfect.
	So it was five hundred thousand dollars.
	That means that she Casey has to come up with ten percent typically, between five to ten percent, depending on where you are.
	So she had to come up with uh uh what fifty thousand bucks, right?
	Yeah, that's 10%.
	So yeah, they come up with 50,000 and then they come up with the other 90%.
	Right?
	My math sucks, but you guys get the point.
	You come with that 10%, they give you the other 90.
	So obviously you got this much money into the situation.
	You're gonna make sure that they show up to court and nothing happens to them because if they die or they don't show up to court, you don't get your money back as the bail uh bails bond company.
	You know what's funny?
	That's why this guy was arrested after.
	I mean, she got bailed in that case.
	For a short period, also was arrested as well?
	Yeah.
	Because she was flaky like chicks.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Oh, wow.
	She also got arrested for that as well.
	Okay, so they they cut they got her for the murder one and they arrested her for some kind of fraud.
	Okay.
	So that guy's is why um they the bail's bondsman also doubled as a bodyguard in this situation to protect their investment, because if she doesn't show up to court or something happens to her, they lose their money.
	The guy that I worked with facilitated the bond being put down to bail her out of jail to make sure nothing happens to Casey.
	All the crazies were out there at the time, or even something that she might do, you know, hurt herself or take off or whatever.
	I mean it's it's mainly the liability of the bail bond.
	You were there from the moment she got released.
	Is that right?
	Correct.
	What was she acting like?
	What was her demeanor when you first saw her?
	Well, when she got in the car, she was kind of somber, just there wasn't a lot of talking from the jail to the house.
	So you stayed in the house.
	Is that right?
	Correct.
	What was your observation of the interaction between Casey and her parents, George and Cindy?
	Cindy made it kind of clear from the beginning of All right, real quick, guys.
	I I know some of you guys were asking about the cal calculation, uh inflation cal inflation calculator.
	So I got a CPI inflation calculator for y'all right here.
	Um $50,000 back then, guys, was the equivalent to about $70,000 today, December as of December 2022.
	I know somebody goes, Oh, your inflation calculators are like BS, blah blah blah.
	The point I'm trying to make, guys, is that that was a significant amount of money.
	I mean, it's a significant amount of money.
	She got bailed twice.
	Yeah, you know what I mean?
	So 50,000 today is still a lot of money, but back then in 2008 it was even more.
	And also, guys, remember, in 2008, we were going through a recession.
	Okay.
	The economy was really bad.
	The housing market had crashed.
	2008 was not a good year.
	All right.
	Obama took office.
	Young G Z had just dropped my president is black.
	Uh, you know, I graduated high school.
	Uh, what else is going on in 2008?
	Um, you know, uh yeah, y young G uh Young G Z come out with I put on and talking about a recession on the way.
	It was a tough time, guys.
	All right, 2008.
	I know all you old boys out there, y'all know what exactly what I'm talking about.
	I'll bring it out back through memory lane, aren't I?
	So 50k back then was a lot of money, bro.
	So uh and she got bailed twice.
	And she got bailed twice.
	So that will give puts things in perspective for y'all.
	All right.
	We can't push her.
	We can't bug her about what happened.
	If we push her, she'll close up and we won't get the answers.
	George was having real he was like an emotional roller coaster.
	Very intelligent man who loves his granddaughter.
	Cindy and George were practically raised.
	You guys are gonna see how much he loves his granddaughter here in a second.
	You know, uh Casey's off running around.
	The very first event was the first morning.
	We awoke to George in a physical confrontation going after Casey.
	Whoa, what was that?
	Yeah, he's grabbing her, like he's choking her.
	He's turning into Scorpion.
	Get over her Where's my granddaughter?
	Where is she?
	He was going to poor thing.
	Poor grandpa.
	He was pressed.
	He was pressed.
	Yeah, look at that.
	We awoke to George and a physical confrontation going after Casey.
	Well, what was that?
	And he's grabbing her.
	Like he's choking.
	He wanted to know what happened.
	He wanted the real story.
	Where's Kaylee?
	Immediately the house erupted, and Cindy threw him out of the house.
	Said, You gotta go.
	Said that we can't do this to her.
	You're out.
	Made him leave.
	If this really happened, George's behavior in this private family moment shows a man desperate for answers.
	A man who's reached his breaking point.
	Casey's response.
	Chat saying W Grandpa.
	I agree with y'all, man.
	W Grandpa in the fucking chat, baby.
	She yelled at her dad.
	She said, Stop acting like a cop.
	Here you have a father again that's an ex-cop.
	I want the real answers.
	I mean, that was very honest emotion coming through.
	If Rob's story is true, it's a revelation.
	Because this intense outburst in the privacy of his own home certainly gives us a glimpse into the mindset of George Anthony.
	Those alleged actions just don't sound like the actions of someone who knew what happened to Kaylee and helped cover it up.
	Which is what the defense tried to go ahead and in their theory is that George was involved in the murder, which you guys are going to see here in a second.
	You have some Angie?
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, well, the documentary that Pico just released.
	It's basically that.
	It's Casey talking about how she frame her father.
	Well, she frame, I don't know if she's right.
	But she uh basically blamed her father.
	You'll see her later on.
	Yeah, the the Peacock documentary.
	Yeah, it just came out.
	What it came out like uh end of last year, right?
	Yeah, I think it came out in November.
	It has terrible reviews though, because everyone is like, yo, why are you platforming this woman?
	Everybody knows that uh it's the most hate one of the most hated women in the States.
	Yeah, but one of the most hated women in America, I would say.
	In America.
	Yeah, for sure.
	Yeah.
	I mean, do they know about her in Venezuela?
	Uh I knew about her.
	I don't know.
	You knew about her in oh shit, goddamn.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let's get back to the original doc.
	For interrogation, but immediately requested her right to counsel.
	She was kept in So she break they get she gets brought in the second time, guys, on the murder charge, and then the forgery charge, which I didn't know about.
	Shout out to Angie for that.
	Uh so she obviously invokes because she's not stupid at this point.
	She's like, All right, these guys uh they're trying to really press me for murder one.
	And just so y'all guys know, uh, in the state of Florida, murder one is premeditated murder, and it carries the death penalty.
	The interview room while awaiting her attorney, and the released footage of that period is so bizarre to the point where it's almost comical.
	The detectives give off a passive yet glaringly obvious vibe that lets Casey know exactly what they think, being that she is guilty of her daughter's probable death and a fundamentally terrible human being on every imaginable level.
	Casey's response to this is to essentially ignore it and act as if the discourse between them and the situation itself is an everyday occurrence.
	Yo, she looks crazy right there, bro.
	Like, what is going on?
	This woman is a good thing.
	You know cases, they use that photo.
	Yeah.
	One that perhaps doesn't concern the disappearance of her daughter for which she is being charged for.
	You'll notice that she effortlessly maintains the same confident and talkative disposition that she had in her previous interviews with police.
	It's almost surreal to watch given the circumstance, and the visual element adds an entire new level to the absurdity.
	Yeah, guys.
	So uh here's here's the custodial interview that they have with her.
	Is you guys because she's handcuffed, she brought they brought her in after uh she had been out on bail.
	Guys, it's cringy.
	Yes, this is wild stuff.
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	The first segment of footage shows the arresting officer waiting with Casey for the lead investigator to arrive.
	He initiates the conversation by bringing up the subject of Casey's parents.
	He asserts that he's worried about them, but the actual message he's putting across is that he essentially knows Casey is guilty and that she isn't fooling anyone.
	It's an indirect yet obvious accusation.
	Okay, so real quick for you guys.
	Okay, so this is very common.
	As you guys can see, look at what the detective is wearing, okay?
	He's wearing a polo shirt and some 5'11 pants, all right.
	And 5'11 pants are tactical pants that you pretty much any Fed detective, any law enforcement officer typically is gonna wear when they're executing arrest.
	He has a combat boots, etc.
	So they went ahead and they executed the arrest, went and picked her up.
	Now, this is strategic.
	Since he's the one that arrested her, more than likely he was the one that cuffed her up.
	He was the one that read her her original rights when he saw her and put her in the car, etc.
	And gets her, you know, because obviously it's uh it's a sucky situation.
	She's in cuffs, etc.
	So he's hey, you have the right to her son, do you say could be used against you, blah blah blah blah, right?
	When you arrest her, reads it off.
	The brand of card transports it to the thing.
	His job is to soften her up and make her feel a little bit more comfortable, even though the situation sucks.
	So he's sitting there with her so that she has some semblance of someone that she can sort of identify with slash she's that's kind of built rapport with her.
	And what you guys are gonna see right now is he's gonna take a more I'm on the outside, I'm not involved in this situation.
	I'll just brought to arrest you.
	You know, I don't really know too much about this case, etc., even though he probably knows a lot about this case, but he's trying to be the rapport builder so that when the lead investigator comes in and he's gonna be a way more you know accusatory in their nature in the interview.
	Um, there's a little bit of comfort in the room to some degree.
	So and I used to do this all the time.
	Like I'd be the arresting guy, I'd get the fucking guy, especially with pedophiles.
	When I used to go pick up the because I I never actually did the pedophile cases, I would be the one to go ahead and arrest them because in Laredo, Texas, I was like one of the younger agents, so I was always there on arrest teams.
	Sometimes these guys were former law enforcement, military, whatever maybe they're you know.
	So you would always want people that were able-bodied to execute these arrests.
	So we'd get them, I'd cuff them up, blah, blah, blah, put them in the car, transport them to the office.
	I'd be shooting the shit with him.
	You know what I mean?
	You gotta identify with these sick bastards sometimes.
	And my job is to kind of soften them up, you know, shoot the crap with them.
	Hey, man, I was just, hey, it's not my case.
	I'm just here to pick you up, bro.
	It is what it is.
	Here's the arrest warrant.
	It's non-personal.
	I'm just getting you.
	All right.
	And then we're shooting the stuff.
	Hey, what kind of music do you want?
	I'll play the whatever you want on the radio, or you want to listen to a podcast, all that, right?
	And we're having a conversation.
	Hey, you want to stop to get some food?
	I'm doing all that, right?
	And I'm softening them up so that when I bring them to the to the um to the office, right?
	The actual case agents are there ready to interview him, right?
	So I bring him in.
	Hey, here you go, man.
	Uh, these guys got some questions for you.
	Uh it's good talking to you.
	My name is blah blah blah.
	Later.
	I'll be outside if you need me, right?
	And I'll sit around for a bit, whatever.
	And this is all very important, guys, because this is a traumatic experience a lot of times.
	So when you're dealing with a criminal, they need someone that they feel like they can kind of talk to or they can trust.
	And it's happened before where I brought someone in, I was polite to them, I was nice to them, and then the interviewing agents, right, will be kind of mean to the guy.
	Hey, what the hell?
	Give me the facts, blah, blah, bright.
	And they're like, man, I don't want to talk to you, bro.
	Bring that other guy in that brought me here.
	He is cool.
	I want to talk to him.
	And then they'll bring me in and I'll do the interview, right?
	And it might be for a case that I'm not even really involved in like that.
	I was just on the arrest team, but I had built rapport with them with him to the point where they're like, you know what, I want to talk to you, you're cool.
	I know I'm I know I'm messed up.
	I know y'all got me dead to rights.
	I know I'm effed in this situation, but you know what?
	Let me at least get uh a little bit of power here and talk to someone that I want to talk to.
	And my thing, but guys, was when I arrested people, right?
	My job is to take away your liberty, not take away your dignity, right?
	I was pretty respectful most of the time when I dealt with these with these crooks.
	And that was really good for building rapport.
	So it would happen often where I'd be on an arrest team and they'd call me in to actually do the interview, and it'd be crazy because it'd be like a crime that I'm not too familiar with.
	It'll be like some you know, counter-proliferation, right?
	Which is you know, exporting arms and stuff like that.
	I had never really like HSI investigators those cases, but I was like a drug investigator.
	Like I was doing drugs and human smuggling, and I did firearms and stuff like that, but it was like smuggling of firearms like with Mexican cartels, not like you know, Iran and all this other stuff, and you know, you know, dual duals use uh items and night vision goggles, all this other stuff.
	Like that gets really complex once you get into it.
	So there's been situations where I'm like, okay, I'm just like taking a notes here, trying to figure out what's going on.
	But the guy wanted to talk to me more.
	So that happens, and this is the beauty of uh building rapport with the criminals, etc., which is what this guy is doing here.
	So uh, yeah, hope you guys enjoyed that little breakdown for us.
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	Uh before I play this, Angie, you have anything for the people?
	No, no, this is very important.
	Yeah, interview.
	Some of what I said to them probably attended them because I told them that if I find out something that you don't want to hear, I'm gonna tell you.
	Well, just honestly no respect.
	That's just you know, the type of people that they are on the same life.
	I know I know they are.
	You know, I'm not in it to get a conviction, I get nothing out of it.
	I get zero.
	Exactly.
	You have a job here trying to do it.
	I found a few, and I've found a few, and it sucks both ways.
	Yeah, I agree.
	So it is what it is.
	Where I get side doing sideways with people tends to be when attorneys get involved.
	I've heard most people say that they don't like attorneys very much.
	I have many family members of their attorneys, I have no problems with attorneys.
	But I have problems with her at some point.
	We have to set aside the rules, and we have to fight kids.
	And you know what?
	So be it.
	That's why I told you in the car.
	You know, if you tell me anything now, see, that's why I told you in the car.
	So he's building building report for a while, guys.
	Yeah, I'll get up and say, Yep, I heard it, and you'd already invoked him.
	We can't use any of it.
	That's just the way it is.
	That's all that matters to me.
	Okay, translation, guys.
	Okay.
	So what he basically said there was they're willing to lose the investigation to find the kid.
	And what I mean by that is if she invokes, Right.
	And she says, uh, I don't want to talk to y'all.
	And then she goes ahead and says something, right?
	I mean, that could be considered a spontaneous utterance or whatever.
	But if they ask her a question, right?
	An incriminating question, let's say she invokes, and then they ask her, Well, where's the kid?
	And she answers, well, she might have a grounds to be able to say, Oh, well, I vote, I had evoked, and you guys asked me criminating questions, they can't be used against me.
	And she would have a strong case with the defense.
	Obviously, that's up to the you know the judge and the court, etc.
	But that goes to show the nature where you know the case is one thing, but we're more concerned with finding this child.
	Is this child alive?
	Where's this child going out?
	Even though they had charged her for this point at murder one.
	So you know, this is kind of where you're at a crossroads, where what's more important?
	Sticking the charge or finding the kid.
	And this guy, right?
	I mean, it's not his case, which kind of explains why he doesn't, you know, give a shit.
	Uh he's more concerned with finding the kid, which rightfully so, that's the way it should be, right?
	So if I hey, if if you walk, but we find the kid, it is what it is.
	We'll take that, right?
	And that that goes to show, guys, like, you know, when it comes to finding children, that's always the number one priority.
	You know, we don't care about sticking a case on someone if you can find the kid, even if you have to violate their rights a little bit to do so.
	And I hate to say it, like, I hate that comes off so horribly.
	But they would rather have her a vote, right?
	Ask the incriminated question, she answers it, they find the kid, she walks.
	They'd rather that.
	You know what I mean?
	Because finding a kid is a W for any police department.
	That's better than getting a uh uh a murder charge.
	The detective here has a kidnapping case, essentially.
	Just ask Casey for the information he knows she has about her missing child.
	Rather than retaliate and refute the blatant accusation, Casey continues with her sharp responses of accordance as if to say she's a good one.
	I agree.
	F they rights, find the child.
	I agree with that one thousand.
	I agree.
	So that that's the number one priority.
	You know what I mean?
	She agrees and knows exactly where the detective is coming from.
	Yet, although she apparently agrees, she offers no information or follow-up dialogue thereafter.
	It's so incredibly awkward yet equally intriguing to watch.
	You know, when we did uh another case that I was involved in, you know, they they lost a confession.
	And I sat down and looked right at the guys that we worked with.
	I said, That's not what's important.
	Yeah, so he's giving it an example, right?
	This is and this is important too.
	Hey, we've lost a confession before, we've had people walk, so you could tell me, right?
	You could tell me because remember, guys, she invoked at this point, right?
	So she said, I want a lawyer.
	So he shouldn't even really be talking to her like this at this point, but that's how much they want to find the kid, right?
	We found her.
	We found her, and he's going to get what is coming to him.
	That's not my job.
	You know, and and it works out in the end.
	And it works out in the end on all sides, to be honest with you.
	It may not be comfortable for everybody.
	I've done things that I get caught for.
	I'm not gonna be comfortable.
	I can tell you that.
	It's not easy to conversation.
	Yep.
	But it's not the end of the road either.
	And that's what we have to keep in mind, it's not the end of the road.
	Casey then casually brings up the topic of the grand jury and the media surrounding her murder trial.
	She raises the questions as if she's talking about her favorite daytime TV show.
	Yeah, but if the subpoena itself is just a regular fellow, or grand jury that's public records, yeah, it doesn't say what it's for, it doesn't say what case it's in.
	It doesn't, it just says your subpoena to appear before the grand jury.
	Well, with them announcing that you know there's going to be a grand jury, and obviously my name was thrown out, and they knew who the grand jury was for.
	Who threw your name out?
	Oh, the media said that it was from an inside source being in here.
	All right, let me translate this for you guys into English.
	Some of you guys may or may not be aware of what a grand jury is, etc.
	Typically, guys, and the grand jury is convened to indict someone and formally charge them, okay?
	So when a grand jury is convened, it's people of your peers, right?
	Just the same thing as a jury.
	They come in, they hear a case.
	Uh typically the prosecutor and the lead investigator go in there, they present the facts of the case, and then they leave the room, and then the grand jury deliberates.
	And if they uh they think that there's probable cause, remember, guys, the threshold for probable cause is much lower than that of reasonable doubt, reasonable doubt is in trial.
	Uh probable cause is just to get an indictment, A formal charge on someone and to arrest someone.
	If they think that there's probable cause, they go ahead and return something called the true bill of indictment.
	Bam, they get an arrest warrant.
	The pol the detective goes ahead and gets an arrest warrant after that, and then they're able to go ahead and execute the arrest.
	What she's asking is, uh, well, what tell me more about like me getting formally charged by a grand jury, etc., which is an asinide question to be asking, because clearly, if they arrested you, more than likely you've probably either been indicted and or they got an arrest warrant off of uh criminal complaint, and you're going to be subsequently indicted anyway.
	So in a case of this magnitude, I wouldn't be surprised if they went ahead and just indicted her first and then went ahead and got her because she was out on bail.
	There was no real urgency to go get her like that, right?
	So the fact that she's inquiring about this is ludicrous, right?
	From my professional perspective uh of being a law force officer, why would you care about a grand jury convening and arresting you and the media being involved when your kid is missing?
	Like, what the hell is going on here?
	Like anyway, um, just so you guys understand what's what's what she's talking about when it's when she's discussing the grand jury.
	So that's where they all see as a I can tell you what I suppose from the media and what I think of people who leak up to the media.
	I think it's garbage, yeah.
	But I agree.
	That's the next thing.
	So if I think it doesn't make it any less necessary without them.
	I'll be quite honest.
	Without the media, we don't find a quarter of the kids that we oh I agree.
	It helps.
	The exposure has helped bring in so many tips for my daughter.
	But at the same time, what it re what it creates is it creates a monster that otherwise isn't necessary.
	Exactly.
	Uh the tips are what the tips are.
	If it was a local media only, it would be much easier at work.
	Yeah.
	When you make it the national media, then you come over.
	You get the Nancy Grace's.
	Well, you get the tips also that come from Hawaii that say I saw Kaylee.
	Who really?
	Okay, let me call her live.
	Let me send them out.
	Those are what I consider local.
	Because the local that's contiguous to the state of Florida.
	It's not when people are only getting their information from the Nancy Grace's or from Globe magazine or people or you know, stuff like that.
	Are you kidding me?
	You're not gonna bring bad, right?
	All right.
	So now this is a lead investigator coming into the picture.
	We're gonna call him on my cell phone.
	Okay.
	I know this is oh, yeah, that's not good.
	Just slide your hand out.
	I honestly can't.
	So they're a little light.
	Thanks for entertaining us.
	Just like you're gonna get corporal edwards.
	Actually, if I could, I would have done that for you.
	Do you know Bias's phone number off top of your head?
	No, I did not.
	How can you get a cell number or his number?
	Um, I know his office number.
	What is that?
	407.
	I've identified myself, and you know why you're in custody.
	Yes.
	Um, and you have when you sign this, you want your attorney present.
	Yes.
	Hey, it's oh my bad.
	This is not the lead attorney guy, the lead uh detective.
	You guys are gonna see him here in a second.
	It's Casey.
	Um, I'm with Corporal Corporal Edwards.
	I'm a corporal last name, sorry.
	Um, I'm at the sheriff's department.
	If you'd like to come down and to meet with us, thank you.
	This is the lead detective right here.
	Yes.
	Um from that picture.
	I cut my hair that was really short even last year.
	I just heard throwing it back out this year.
	So it's been a long day.
	It has been.
	How's my dad this morning?
	Um our time.
	Yeah, honestly.
	I only saw from the media and got a chance to hear him talking to my mom.
	I spoke to him last night and this morning for just a quick second before he left.
	So yeah, talked to him this morning for a little bit.
	Um he was with Mark, and you know, he was really struggling.
	I mean, I can imagine you're having a hard time.
	Uh yeah, he was being called in to essentially provide testimony to indict you, at least.
	Bam.
	So obviously, so he had to come in and provide information that led to the arrest of his daughter.
	Right, guys.
	So this now She's finding out that her dad is basically responsible to a degree for her being arrested for murder one.
	Okay.
	Which could be, you know, you guys can theorize that that might be the reason that her defense was so hard on going after her father saying that he was the perpetrator in uh the uh death of Kaylee Anthony, the daughter.
	And he was really struggling with that.
	Yeah.
	And uh I felt bad wrong, be honest with you.
	I truly did.
	Well, I even told him last night.
	I know he was subpoenaed, and under the law he had to answer whatever questions were asked, and they told him to do what he had to do.
	Imagine you were Casey, but void of any wrongdoing whatsoever.
	Your daughter was kidnapped five weeks ago, and now a detective who thinks you're the culprit is relaying the agonizing moments of your father providing information for your arrest.
	No matter how stoic or self-controlled your nature, you would most likely be in tears or completely enraged at the overwhelming unjustness of the situation.
	Um I have been.
	I mean, this is something honestly we've been preparing for from the beginning just because of words that were directly spoken from Yuri Mellon and also from uh Sergeant Allen.
	So basically this interview right here is just to get Casey to talk to the leaders' investigators about the case, and they wanted to indulge like uh deeper into the investigation to ask like more deep questions about what happened to Gayley and all that.
	Yeah.
	But uh she called the attorney, and uh uh apparently he denied like any like conversations with the the leader of investigations because that will not uh like aid the case for her.
	Yeah.
	So you guys are gonna see that here in a second, which is very very interesting.
	But I think this was a play because they knew that she had already like invoked this point.
	I think they wanted to see how she would react to her dad testifying against her and providing other and then and then also a lot of times when people lawyer up like this, you'll tell them the evidence you have against them so that they can kind of feel the walls closing in and give them some pressure.
	So I think that's what they're doing.
	She's she was not giving in Yeah, exactly.
	Which you guys are gonna see that here in a second, her delusion continues.
	They were planning on doing it from the very beginning from that first day.
	So they wrote me off within the first couple hours.
	That was the only time they ever made any effort to try to talk to me one on one.
	And that's kind of difficult.
	That was kind of difficult considering um, obviously, in light of everything that's going on, and the fact that you've been arrested for other things, makes it a little more difficult to sit down and even talk to you.
	It's not that we haven't wanted to.
	Yeah.
	I do have counsel, and that's something that you know, my attorney's always been a phone call away.
	Has your attorney ever told you that we would like to speak to you?
	And we had agreed, him and I together, that we would all sit down together, him and I and you guys, and you know, we entertain whatever questions you have, and there is no possible way that a defense attorney would actually sit down and as Casey states, entertain any question the police have for them.
	Yet if we weren't paying close attention, we would take her at her word due to the eloquence of her dialogue and not realize everything she's saying is complete nonsense.
	This is a fact.
	No defense attorney is gonna allow you to talk to the police with them present, guys.
	It's just not gonna happen.
	They're gonna always say, Nope.
	Like, nope, nope, no, thank you.
	We're not talking to y'all.
	The only way a defense attorney is gonna sit there and allow you to talk to the police with them there present, typically is through a 5k proffer where you're getting some kind of benefit, and you're gonna get a significant amount of time being taken off or a safety valve or some kind of debrief where there's also a prosecutor there, and there was some agreed upon um benefit to the defendant, and the the defense counsel is aware of it.
	There's something in writing.
	That's the only way a defense attorney will allow you to speak to the police 99% of the time.
	Otherwise, they're always gonna tell you, shut up, don't say a word.
	And she's not dumb, she knows this.
	What is she doing?
	She's playing the game.
	Stupid.
	That you know, we wanted to talk to you.
	I mean, obviously, we can't come to you and ask you.
	Yeah, but understandably.
	You know, I thought that you were aware that if you wanted to talk to anybody that all you gotta do is simply ask.
	Yeah.
	Well, I know it goes both ways on that, and I guess it would have needed to come from me.
	I should have been the one to I guess come forward with it.
	But you know, we did open up that door to law enforcement before when Sergeant Allen was making a big deal saying, Well, we want to talk to her.
	When can we talk to her?
	He's saying, Well, the door's open.
	I don't believe he ever told us the door's open.
	What's fascinating is how instinctive and confident her assertions are in any other circumstance, or even without the knowledge we have now, you would have no reason not to believe everything she's saying.
	I've heard the words come out of his mouth.
	Yeah, she's a trained liar, guys.
	guys can see here.
	Even myself directed to other people that maybe didn't either relay the message or took it a different way.
	So I don't know.
	I think the lack of communication has put people in opposite corners when everybody has the same goal is to find Kaylee.
	We all still feel I, as a mom, I know in my gut there's the feeling as a parent, you know certain things about your child, you can feel that connection.
	And I still have that feeling, that presence.
	I know that she's alive.
	What the bro.
	Bombu.
	Whether you have a bucket.
	She says that now because she got hit with murder, so obviously he's like, No, no, she's alive.
	Or all you have is speculation.
	Or nothing at all.
	I mean, we had more than speculation.
	As every tip and that's every legal following.
	Yeah.
	They had got everything like all that already.
	Yeah, they knew that she was capped.
	You know, and he's this is him confronting her with the evidence now at this point.
	They have searched all this in Naira Gonzalez uh existence.
	They fired everyone.
	They interviewed all of them.
	Hey, uh it was one that actually like sued the Casey.
	What?
	Yeah.
	One of the one of the one of the Zannies is sued Casey.
	Yeah, and an actual like real C Naira Gonzalez.
	Wanted to sue her, yeah.
	I think they just missed it.
	No.
	She didn't get harassed.
	What did he sue her for then?
	Because she was using her name.
	Ah, okay.
	Okay.
	That makes sense.
	It was your cousin.
	This was essentially a direct confrontation.
	The detective has just told Casey they have sufficient evidence to prove her guilt.
	Casey doesn't refute or even respond to the accusation.
	She instead falls back to her ridiculous dialogue once again, hoping the confidence in her voice will mask the absurdity of what she's actually saying.
	Well, I've said I said the same thing to them.
	You know, they said that we're at the end of a hallway.
	I'm thinking we're at the end of a hallway, and there's two doors.
	Which door are we going to go through?
	Or I guess this is, you know, we're at this point.
	And we are at this point.
	We're the final step is which door is walked through.
	We are well beyond where we were before.
	I mean, those those issues are gone.
	Okay.
	And when we refer to Ratina Hallway, I think you will you you are well aware of what hallway we're talking about.
	Do you understand that?
	Um, well, so there's no question, I guess.
	You can specify that at this point.
	Or what your perspective is on that.
	Yep, sir.
	Absolutely.
	Can we come right back?
	Yeah, that's good.
	Not going anywhere.
	They're gonna look down as I used to be.
	It's unfortunate that right when the pressure was starting to build, the second detective interrupts the exchange, and they both leave the room soon after.
	Casey waits alone for roughly 40 minutes before her attorney shows up.
	He's gonna well, here's the thing.
	I know some of you guys in the chat might be saying, Yo, that was stupid, blah, blah, blah.
	I think what I think that was a good move, and I'm gonna tell you guys why.
	The reason why it was a good move is that she invoked.
	Y'all shouldn't really be talking to her like that.
	And yes, it's great to give pressure to a defendant, whatever, but you don't want whatever she tells you to get thrown out.
	So she invoked, let the attorney get there, let her stew for a bit.
	You know, that 40 minutes probably was painful for her because she's like, damn, they got me.
	Uh, and she doesn't know exactly what they have on her yet at this point.
	They they know she knows that they got her, but she doesn't know the exact evidence.
	So letting her stew there for a bit, letting the lawyer come in, is the safer bet for saving any type of evidence that might come after the fact because now anything she says with the lawyer is admissible.
	So I think that the the The detective probably went in there to be like, bro, she invoked.
	Let the lawyer get here.
	Let's not jam ourselves up.
	It is what it is.
	She knows she's guilty.
	We're gonna prove it in court.
	If she doesn't want to talk, she's not gonna talk.
	She's already lied to three other investigators.
	Chill.
	She keeps lying to these dates.
	Exactly.
	You know what I mean?
	So this is uh this um this detective is probably, you know, a bit emotional about the situation because yo, there's a missing child, bro.
	Like rightfully so, right?
	You're trying to find the kid.
	What the hell's going on here?
	So um, I think this is a good move from the other detective that isn't invested as invested because he's not the lead investigator, to pull him out, let the lawyer come.
	Let's not come into any constitutional rights issues, and uh, and then see if we can get a statement out of her with the lawyer there.
	So, you know, take to take one step to hopefully take two steps forward, but you guys are gonna see what happens here.
	So I disagree with the narrator here as far as like, oh, right when the pressure's going, blah, blah, blah, but bro, you gotta remember she invoked.
	So you shouldn't be talking to her in the first place.
	Okay.
	Casey.
	Based on our conversation today, and I read you that form.
	Basically, just the same thing I said to Mr. Bayers over the phone.
	There's been numerous requests or requests or opportunities, requests for opportunities.
	The form what he's talking about, guys, is the Miranda.
	You have the right to remain son, and you can say you're against you in a court of law, etc.
	So, and that's when she had invoked the first time.
	I don't want a lawyer, I want a lawyer, which you're not supposed to talk to them when they say that.
	So that's why he's reiterating it.
	And it now again with the lawyer present.
	On the record, with us and come to a resolution here.
	That's why we brought you here instead of the jail.
	Correct?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Now, based on your request for us to call him and bring him here, he's here.
	So, what we're gonna try to do is give you a few minutes somewhere that's not recorded.
	No secrets, I told you.
	This room's resorted.
	I have to be able to approach my chain and explain why.
	The detective now guilefully takes Casey up on her previous offer, where she insisted they were willing to sit down with police and answer questions.
	But first, I needed to let's see what happens here.
	And you know, guys, just by the way, we got 19 uh 1900 plus y'all, almost 2,000 of you guys in here on YouTube.
	Please like the video, guys.
	Help me get up to you know, 1500 likes on here.
	I see 1.2, get us to 1,500.
	We got another, I think 300 of you guys on Twitch.
	So we got 2200, 2300, y'all watching live.
	You guys could be anywhere else in the world.
	You're here with us.
	So, guys, like the video, subscribe to the channel on YouTube, Fed 1811, and uh help me get up to 1.5k likes, man.
	Help us get back in the alcohol because I'm coming from YouTube jail.
	You tell him.
	The faster you guys like the video, the more I don't have to ask ask for the likes, man.
	I hate to stop the video for this stuff.
	So just like the video so that we can continue on uninterrupted, please.
	In your own words, if you will, that you'd like to take the opportunity to deal with us, like you've made that request in the past.
	So is that something you want to tell him?
	I told him the same thing we talked about before that we would entertain any questions that they have.
	We would listen and discuss it, and if we have something to respond, we'll respond.
	Okay, do you want to speak to me in private?
	Yes.
	So we can clarify this.
	Yes.
	It would see how quick she was like, Yes, I want to talk to you in private.
	And they're gonna definitely be like attorney client privilege, we ain't talking to these motherfuckers.
	Come is no surprise that no conference was to be had.
	Casey was instead taken to the county jail where she would remain for two and a half years awaiting trial.
	Once this footage was released to the public domain, the consensus was that Casey at best was a cold-hearted mother, and at worst, a hideous, despicable murderer.
	But what's curious is that although these opinions may be accurate, they came from a completely misguided notion, being that her behavior in the footage was entirely genuine.
	Casey was in all likelihood being completely fake this entire time.
	So you might be curious as to why a person would actually fake such a poised temperament when it would be far more fitting to fake sadness and despair.
	We all have aspects to ourselves that are ungenuine to a certain degree.
	How we act at a business dinner won't be the way we are at home with our close friends or family.
	The more comfortable the setting, the more we can be ourselves.
	Those educated on Casey's past would assert that she was rarely sad, rarely angry, but always this bubbly and agreeable personality, even when it didn't suit the situation.
	She was one of those people where something just seemed off.
	Red flags.
	But you couldn't quite put your finger on it.
	The evidence put forward suggests that Casey was fake in every single setting and with every single person all of the time.
	A trait that might go unnoticed in everyday life, yet would clearly stand out when shown under the microscope of a criminal case study.
	Casey had become so accustomed to this fraudulent way of being that it even came as a natural behavior to her in the extraordinary setting we see here.
	And the assertion is that because Casey knew just how well she could fabricate this character, she thought she could use it to mask her anxiety and thus conceal guilty behavior.
	Casey, in all likelihood, had little to no regard for her daughter.
	That's not even an argument anymore.
	But her true temperament here would likely be far more apprehensive due to the concern over her own welfare.
	Every time the detective insinuated an accusation, Casey kept the same tone, same demeanor, and same confident, lighthearted disposition.
	If you took her out of this interrogative setting and placed her in the mall with her friends, it would seem completely normal.
	She would be faking her personality in both environments, yet we are only able to realize it in one.
	This type of mindset is linked to sociopathy.
	Whatever the situation or circumstance, they need to have an advantage over you.
	So how do they do this?
	They lie and also calculate how they are going to feel and react to a certain situation before it occurs.
	The entirety of her focus was on making herself look good rather than being worried about the actual quality of her character.
	Yo, update the rocks.
	Hello on board!
	There we go.
	This is haram on another level.
	Yep.
	Casey, in a nutshell, was an inauthentic person long before she ever gave birth to her ill-fated daughter, and her skill at deception alongside her manufactured personality is arguably the most terrifying part of this entire case.
	On December 11th, 2008, just under five months since she was reported missing.
	Kaylee's skeletal remains were discovered in a swamp less than a mile away from the Anthony household.
	She remember, guys, before she says she's not far away.
	Yeah, she was a far away.
	Less than a mile away from her boyfriend's house, guys.
	Sickness, man.
	Sickness.
	She was wrapped in a winnie the poo blanket and then placed in a canvas laundry bag.
	Duct tape was discovered around the nose and mouth area of the skull, and her death was ruled a homicide.
	Prosecutors in the case then announced they would be seeking the death penalty.
	There were a multitude of discoveries made in the lead up to the trial, and many believed it to be an open and shut case due to the damnatory nature of the evidence.
	On the last day Kaylee was seen alive by anyone other than her mother, and the day many believed she was murdered, Casey Anthony made the following internet searches.
	Guys, shot girl costumes, suffocation, foolproof.
	She also looks up how to make chloroform.
	Oh man.
	Holy bitch.
	Those are some interesting internet searches.
	When the police uh found out about these searches on the uh at the Anthony's house, that's when the mother started to cover up her life.
	She started like saying like she was the one who was looking for these searches.
	Yeah.
	She was she was the one who was in the computer, but then they later on found out that nobody was at the house said by K for Casey.
	Yeah, and they tried to go ahead and assert that it was the father that looked this stuff up, right?
	At this time, right?
	It was actually at 2 50 p.m.
	But the defense during the trial said it was around 1 30 p.m., guys, which they actually were able to do the right timing and figure it out because the software that was used was in current was uh not updated.
	So it actually ended up being 2 50 p.m. when these searches were done, and the father was already at work.
	Okay, guys.
	So the father was at work at 3 p.m., so he was already out the house.
	So Casey was the only person in the house at the time these searches were done on Google.
	All right.
	But again, the defense back then, right, would try to assert that these searches were conducted at around 1 30 p.m., which is incorrect because the software that the defense used to um to decrypt it was outdated and didn't give correct timestamps.
	And she was able, and this was actually a piece of evidence that worked in her favor for the defense.
	And that's what the defense does, man.
	Confuse the jury.
	That's their job.
	They're not there to prove anything.
	They're there to they're there to confuse you.
	That's what a good defense attorney does, guys.
	So that you're not sure who the perpetrator was.
	But it is a fact that these searches were actually done at 2 50 and 2 51 p.m., not 1 30 p.m. as shown in the trial back in 2008 because the software was not updated, which is a very important distinction, guys.
	Well, apparently Kaylee was suffocated first with chloroform, and then she got her tape on her mouth and nose.
	Yes.
	That's how she died.
	That's yes.
	At 7 54 p.m. that same evening, Casey and her boyfriend Tony were seen in a blockbuster video show.
	Oh, you guys are saying, what is a shotgun costume?
	You guys are gonna see her in a second.
	Cayley was nowhere in sight, and many presume she was already dead and decomposing in Casey's trunk at this point.
	In the following weeks, Casey went out partying most nights.
	Just three We're gonna talk about this real quick here, guys.
	So that whole time that she was partying, okay.
	We're gonna talk about this right here.
	what she was actually doing during this period of time.
	...friend Tony Lazaro visiting a blockbuster video store...
	This is the day that she went missing.
	Let's rewind it a second.
	Could wanting this life be her motive?
	Yes.
	So day one of the disappearance.
	Yes, you want to actually talk real quick, uh bombshow that actually isn't brought up on this documentary uh about Casey Anthony.
	So apparently Tony, her boyfriend, said uh days before I don't remember if it was if it was days or a week before she disappeared.
	She said that she didn't want it, and I want to I'm going to quote right here.
	So he said, uh, I will never marry a woman that has a daughter.
	He said that to Casey days before she did the baby disappeared.
	Said he ain't never wiping up a single mom.
	Exactly.
	So when everything happened, he felt guilty, and he confessed to the officers that he felt guilty about telling her this because he thought that was the main reason why she did this to Kaylee.
	And then what's the other one that about uh adoption?
	Oh, yes.
	Well, this is this is a breakthrough.
	Um, apparently the par uh when she got pregnant, remember she got pregnant when she was 19 by an unknown individual.
	Um her parents uh she was gonna give the baby in adoption.
	She wouldn't, she didn't want to have the baby, and the parents denied this, so they refused to uh for her to to give the baby an adoption.
	So she um people say uh this I didn't tell you this, but people say that she told her friends and like their the close people that was like relayed to her that she never wanted to have the baby and that pissed her off a lot.
	Like she never wanted the baby.
	Her parents essentially forced it, forced her to have the kid.
	And also they wouldn't allow her to put the child up for adoption.
	So, because that was that's one of the things that people were saying.
	Well, what's the motive?
	What's the motive?
	Well, we're gonna get into that right here.
	Exactly.
	And we're gonna see that here in a second, guys.
	This girl wanted to be she belongs to the street instead of you know uh you know, instead of taking care of her goddamn kid.
	So um, let's go ahead and go through the timeline of what she did while her child was missing.
	Hey guys, give me a quick favor.
	Like the video.
	On the morning of June 16th, 2008, Kaylee was last seen by her grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony.
	I remember Kaylee coming out from Casey's room, and I said, Where are you going?
	And she says going with mommy.
	Casey tells her parents she and Kaylee are spending the night with the nannies and Nyda Gonzalez.
	But that night, Casey's recorded on surveillance video with her boyfriend Tony Lazaro, visiting a blockbuster video store.
	Tony and want to be a uh uh accepted, I guess.
	He was watching some RP now some RP content.
	Oh my god.
	Kaylee is not present.
	When you went to blockbuster with her that night, how would you describe her demeanor?
	Happy, happy to see me.
	Having a grand old time.
	Did she tell you that her daughter had gone missing?
	No.
	Oh link.
	June 20th.
	Casey goes with Lazaro to Fusion Nightclub and enters a hot body contest.
	Do you recall a hot body contest?
	Yes.
	Do you recognize Casey Streets?
	She belongs to the streets.
	My daughter missing.
	What is she doing?
	Partying.
	Yes.
	Anything wrong with her demeanor.
	She was upset.
	No.
	June 27th, Casey and Lazaro go shopping at the mall.
	And at night, she accompanies Lazaro again to Fusion Nightclub.
	July 2nd.
	She came in.
	Oh, these photos were posted on Casey's MySpace guys.
	They're on her MySpace.
	Yeah.
	Oh lay, bro.
	Yeah.
	You triggered my trap card.
	And then she gets the sad two.
	Casey gets a tattoo, Bella Vita, which is Italian for beautiful life.
	How would you describe her demeanor?
	How is she acting?
	Uh normal.
	July 3rd.
	Oh my god.
	Boom muka.
	Cindy Anthony, who has not seen her granddaughter in 18 days, shows up to where she believes Casey works at Universal Studios Orlando Resort and calls her cell phone.
	I'm here at Universal Studios.
	So she didn't even know that she didn't work at this place anymore, guys.
	I want to pick up Kaylee.
	Casey Anthony says, We're in Jacksonville.
	Oh wow.
	Cindy Anthony is beside herself.
	July 4th.
	Casey attends a 4th of July party and a fireworks show.
	I was having a 4th of July party.
	Did the defendant ever tell you she had a child?
	Yes, sir.
	When did she tell you that?
	That evening.
	Did she tell you her daughter had been kidnapped?
	No, sir.
	Finally, on July 15th, Cindy Anthony tracks Casey down and demands answers.
	Casey was sitting on the floor crying.
	tell me that she had been gone for 31 days and that she had taken her Swore at her and hit the bed.
	That swear too.
	Like, yo, you dumb bitch.
	What do you do?
	Where's my dog granddaughter, bro?
	Like, what man?
	It would be at that point.
	I it would be Street Fighter for me.
	I'd be like, yo.
	Yo, we gotta solve this with this.
	I would be yo, I would be hitting her with the you can the boom.
	The next thing you know, man.
	It will be a wrap for my daughter if I knew.
	So stream is out.
	I knew it was gonna happen.
	I knew it was gonna happen.
	It's fine though, guys.
	We're still live on Twitch right now.
	YouTube will bring it back.
	Don't worry about it.
	We're just gonna give it a second here.
	I knew playing this crap might do that.
	So we'll go back to the original video.
	And that's fine.
	YouTube does this all the time.
	They're very lame.
	So we're live on Twitch though, ninjas.
	We're live on Twitch.
	We're live on Twitch.
	So before I continue playing the documentary again, stream suspended for policy violations.
	Don't worry, guys.
	This happens all the time.
	Just to give you guys a quick explanation.
	I knew this was probably more than likely gonna happen, which is why I said, alright, I'm gonna make sure I stream this on Twitch as well.
	And what happens is if you play some like content that may or may not be copyrighted, YouTube isn't sure.
	What they'll do is is they'll just like kill the stream for a little bit, and then if you keep streaming, they turn it back on and they just kind of have it go, whatever, which I knew that uh documentary might hit us with that, which is why I was ahead and I knew and I was like, all right, let's get this thing streamed up on Twitch as well, yeah, just in case.
	So uh so smart move.
	I'm seeing yeah, yeah, I knew I knew it was coming.
	But uh, what are your comments so far on this, Angie, while we wait for our YouTube stream to come back up?
	What are my comments?
	If you have any, besides YouTube being uh basically I have like a general conclusion about this girl, and it's basically probably what everyone thinks and what everyone may agree with me or not, but yeah, this girl was illusional, she just wanted to party, she never wanted to have a kid, so she went to the easy easy, like you know, and she killed her daughter.
	That's for me though.
	She killed her daughter, and she was like, yo, I don't have this problem anymore, so I'm gonna do whatever the fuck I want without thinking about the consequences.
	This is what inert like makes me crazy though.
	She never thought about the consequences of her actions.
	So I don't know.
	I mean, who in like their capable mind will do this without thinking, I need to think like of something or an excuse or you know, cover up for her shit because this is why what happened.
	I mean, this is this is what happened.
	No, I believe it.
	I definitely believe it.
	That's that's just the game.
	So, well, we're back up on YouTube, so uh shout out to all the ninjas.
	Uh we're back, guys.
	We're back, we're out of YouTube jail again.
	I knew this was gonna happen, man.
	I always prepared that this was gonna happen on YouTube.
	So don't worry, guys.
	We didn't uh continue on the documentary.
	As y'all know, we were having Some fun with the Street Fighter sound effects.
	But we're back.
	We're gonna go play off the main documentary because I knew that the other one was gonna be lame, but I kind of wanted y'all to see uh what was going on with the partying a bit.
	Three days after her daughter's supposed hold on she was captured in various photos, participating in a hot body contest.
	Twelve days after she got a tattoo on her back saying Bella Vita, an Italian mother and they brought the tattoo artist as y'all saw from the other documentary to see what her demeanor was.
	And he was like, Yeah, it looked like she was having fun.
	Boom book!
	Yeah, auto that translates beautiful life.
	She also made an entry in her diary around the same time, which read, I completely trust my own judgment, and I knew that I made the right decision.
	This is the happiest that I have been in a very long time.
	I hope that my happiness will continue to grow.
	The trial commits Holy, she put that in her diary!
	Yeah, she did.
	Yeah, I can't find my daughter, but this is the happiest I've ever been.
	I could be at 304.
	Woo!
	She belongs to the street.
	You know what I'm saying?
	She was like, Yes.
	Uh, how do we say in Spanish again?
	Uh from Ricky Martin Libra Vila Loca, right?
	That's what she was seeing.
	She's on that type of shit.
	She was dancing.
	Because then, oh, wait, what?
	Ricky Mar was still hot, right?
	Yeah, she was living the live.
	She was like, she was like, Yeah, woo!
	There's a lit.
	She's going crazy in Orlando in 2008 with her fucking razor cell phone like with the flip phone and the T Mobile sidekick.
	She likes woo!
	She just wanted to have fun with your DJ boyfriend.
	She's like, These pictures are gonna be lit for MySpace.
	Yo, man.
	This is the beginning of uh social media thoughttery right here with Casey Anthony, man.
	Y'all are witnessing it right here.
	The gist of the prosecution's argument was that Casey suffocated her daughter with duct tape and then placed her in the trunk for a few days before disposing of her body in the swamp.
	The motive for the murder was the primary focus during their opening statement.
	This isn't just a case about Casey Marie Anthony, it's a story about Kaylee Anthony as well.
	Kayleigh Anthony was born on August 9th of 2005.
	It was a Tuesday.
	And Kaylee lived nearly every day of her life on a quiet residential street in Orlando called Hope Spring Drive.
	Casey Anthony, Kaylee's mother, appeared to all outward observers to be what her parents thought she was.
	A loving mother working hard to provide support for her daughter.
	But as the evidence in this case and the investigation into the background of Casey Anthony will show that was an illusion.
	On Monday, June 16th, Cindy Anthony goes to work, as I've described.
	Sometime between 7 and 8 a.m.
	And is out of the house until late evening.
	George Anthony specifically recalls that at 1250 p.m. on June 16th of 2008, his daughter Casey left the residence on Hope Spring Drive with Kaylee Marie Anthony.
	Kaylee was wearing pink shirt, jean shorts, sunglasses, and a backpack.
	Which they found these clothing, the clothing on the body.
	Well, the bones in this case, because remember, guys, this is five months after the fact.
	So animals and everything had gotten to her, unfortunately.
	So but they were able to find the clothes, and they were able to link the clothes back to the house that Casey Anthony lived in.
	So there was no doubt, and the DNA, everything else, they were able to positely identify the bones as from Kaylee Anthony.
	And Jojo.
	george anthony kissed his granddaughter goodbye and never saw her again in fact no one but casey anthony Ever saw Kaylee Marie Anthony alive again.
	Look at her shaking her head.
	No, it wasn't me.
	The evidence in this case will establish that there is no other reason for the placement of multiple pieces of duct tape on this child's face, mouth, and nose, other than a specific intent to end that child's life.
	No one but Casey Anthony had access to all the pieces of evidence in this case.
	The duct tape, the laundry bag, the blanket, the shorts, the shirt, the car.
	Well, reality hit her.
	She'll like it.
	She don't like it.
	I really hit her in her face.
	Like, because the thing is that when they found the body in the laundry bag, right?
	All the items came from Casey Anthony's house, guys.
	That's how they were able to effectively link the body of the child to back to the mother.
	No one else lied to their friends, to their family, to investigators.
	No one else benefited from the death of Kaylee Marie Anthony.
	Which we talked about that, guys.
	What is the motive?
	The motive is that was the main motive.
	She wanted to be she belongs to the street.
	For the streets, she wanted to have fun.
	She wanted to be on MySpace.
	You know, live it.
	All that crap.
	She wanted to run around with her boyfriend, right?
	Anthony, the party promoter, and live this life because, in her eyes, oh, I'm missing out.
	Yeah, and she never wanted a kid.
	And she didn't want a kid in the first place.
	As Angie told y'all, she wanted an abortion, right?
	And or no, I'm sure she wanted to put the child up for adoption.
	And the parents were like, no, you must have the child.
	Uh you you're we're taking care of this kid.
	And they took, and that explains actually why the parents were so invested in crying so much when their granddaughter was missing because they invested a significant significant amount of time in taking care of the child because the mom didn't want to.
	That's why they were so invested.
	They were the ones that were basically raising the granddaughter.
	Not the mom.
	She wanted to be free and be a 304.
	Kaylee's death allowed Casey Anthony to live a good life.
	At least for those 31 days.
	Hey guys, don't worry.
	The YouTube stream ended earlier because I like a lame policy violation, because they thought like anytime you stream other content that they think might be copyrighted, they'll go ahead and hit you with like a policy violation or whatever, but then the stream comes back.
	So don't worry about it.
	Um, I I purposely like didn't continue the documentary uh because I knew that, so we just gave a little bit of commentary, whatever.
	It was maybe a minute of content that was missing.
	So don't worry.
	Uh we didn't really like go into anything too crazy where you guys would miss anything.
	So I knew it was coming.
	That's why I've been streaming on Twitch the whole time because I knew they would probably like shut it down for a bit and then bring it back up.
	So it is what it is.
	Yeah, L Susan L YouTube.
	It is what it is, man.
	Uh, but I'm back.
	I knew they were gonna do that.
	So do me a favor, by the way, guys.
	We got about 1600 of you guys watching on YouTube right now, and another, I think four to five hundred of you guys on Twitch.
	Come on over to YouTube real quick, guys, because I'm trying to get us back up on YouTube because we're on YouTube Joe for a week.
	So trying to hit the algo.
	So if you guys don't mind, if you guys want to watch on Twitch, that's cool.
	Just open up another tab, type in YouTube.com slash Fed 1811.
	Um, and uh go ahead and watch this stream on YouTube and on Twitch, and then just mute the other tab if you want.
	But the extra live viewers on YouTube would help a lot with pushing the algo because you guys know when you get banned for a week, they push you to the bottom of the algo and it sucks.
	So uh, but yeah, I'm hitting you guys with uh with a with a haymaker on this one.
	Y'all been asking for Casey Anthony for a while, so here we are.
	Evidence tying the defendant to and I got Angie now as well.
	Shout out to her.
	As y'all can see, she did quite a bit of research for this case.
	I know you guys complained when I brought other girls on that were very um stupid.
	So I brought uh Anhi here.
	An he.
	What's it Angelica?
	Angelica.
	I brought her to help you guys out here because she actually did do a significant amount of research and wrote down notes, etc., which is why she's giving you guys some of y'all this uh this sauce.
	Her daughter's death.
	The evidence the state actually had still seemed overwhelming, and they understandably thought relying on the facts alone would easily secure a conviction.
	The defense, on the other hand, were up against it.
	So not only did they use charm and appeal to Sway the jury's attention away from the evidence.
	They dropped an absolute bombshell in their opening statements to create as much doubt as humanly possible.
	On behalf of the defense.
	Okay, so guys, I want to make this extremely clear for y'all.
	The defenser's job is not to prove that you're innocent, is to prove that you could be innocent.
	Okay.
	That's very important.
	I want you guys the defense's job is not to prove that you're innocent.
	The defense's job is to prove that you might be innocent.
	Their job is to distract you from the prosecution's evidence.
	Their job is to distract you from the facts.
	Their job is to basically take that pure case that the prosecution is trying to make and distill it, mess it up, make it look like something else is going on, and that there's plausible deniability that there could have been another perpetrator.
	Yeah, that is the defense's job.
	That lawyer deserves that showed out because he was a sharp, he was a beast.
	Yes.
	And that is what this lawyer was effectively able to do.
	He was able to distract the jury, right?
	Point the finger at someone else and say, yo, like I know it looks bad for my client, but it could have been them.
	And then bam, that's all they gotta do.
	Reasonable doubt, guys, is all the defense has to do.
	Alright?
	So I want to make that very clear.
	It's on the prosecution to prove that the client, the defendant, is guilty.
	The defense just has to defend and prove that the client might not be guilty.
	So as you can see, the prosecution is held to a way higher standard than the defenses.
	I want to thank you for the sacrifice that you've made in your jury service and coming here and helping us see justice.
	We know it's no easy task.
	And we intend, I'm sure both sides on getting you home as quickly as possible once you have all of the information that you need.
	Everyone wants to know what happened.
	How in the world can a mother sorry for the camera quality, guys?
	This is uh 2008.
	You know, it is what it is, right?
	I mean, Facebook was the thing, MySpace was a thing, people were using freaking razor cell phones.
	What's the cell phone of the year that year?
	Remember?
	The cell phone of the year that year.
	It was probably a razor or a sidekick.
	Do you know?
	No, how no?
	What are you doing in 2008?
	I was in school.
	Like middle school.
	Yeah, um primary school.
	Yeah, because you're 26, right?
	Mm-hmm.
	Yeah, you old as hell, bro.
	I was I was in high school, I was a senior high school in 2008.
	Wait, 30 days before.
	Oh, yeah, Blackberry was hot too.
	Thank you.
	Somebody said a blackberry, yeah.
	And the iPhone had just come out in 2008.
	The iPhone just came out.
	I remember it was iPhone 3 came out in 2008.
	Uh, and then yeah, Blackberry.
	Oh, I had an iPhone.
	Well, you had an iPhone 3 in Venezuela?
	Yeah, of course.
	How'd you have one in Venezuela?
	What do you think we're gonna say that here?
	Scamming people, what are you doing, bro?
	What are you doing?
	You scamming people.
	Yeah, see you guys.
	Yeah, look at that.
	Look at that.
	She was doing some stuff.
	She was robbing people or something.
	IPhones are Venezuela.
	Okay.
	What?
	It's insane.
	It's bizarre.
	Something's just not right about that.
	Well, the answer is actually relatively simple.
	She never was missing.
	Kaylee Anthony died on June 16, 2008, when she drowned in her family's swimming pool.
	Bam, and there's their theory.
	The defense says the baby drowned in the pool.
	Well, the reason we're all here is because not of the commonality of this tragedy, but of the uniqueness of the family that it happened to.
	You will hear about ugly things.
	Secret things.
	Things that people don't speak about.
	Things that Casey never spoke about.
	On June 16, 2008, after Kaylee died, Casey did what she's been doing all her life.
	Or for most of it, hiding her pain.
	Going into that dark corner and pretending that she does not live in in the situation that she's living in.
	This family must keep its secrets quiet.
	And it all began when Casey was eight years old and her father came into her room and began to touch her inappropriately.
	this shot.
	Here we go.
	Let's go ahead and take away from this trial and divert it and bring y'all down.
	Imagination.
	Casey was abused by her father.
	She fell into the pool.
	Like, what does that have to do with anything?
	But okay.
	She could be 13 years old, have her father's penis in her mouth, and then go to school and play with the other kids as if nothing ever happened.
	That will help.
	So they painted dad as an abuser.
	Look at her doing the acting, crying, oh look at me.
	Oh my god, I'm the victim here.
	And that that is why the defense says that she lies so much because her father abused her, so she had to learn how to lie.
	Crazy, bro.
	Help you understand why no one knew that her child was dead.
	The trial would go on to last six weeks.
	And notice how that had nothing to do with the facts at hand or the case.
	Let's say it's true that her father abused her.
	Okay.
	Let's say it's true that he was a terrible individual, etc.
	That still does not justify you lying to the police, purposely misleading them, not being able to account for where your daughter was for a month, etc.
	But this is what the defense does.
	Theories and imagination.
	Alright.
	They can go ahead and get away with theorizing things with not facts and just trying to disprove the prosecution's case and coming up with stories like this to sway the jury in the opposite way.
	That has nothing to do with the case.
	But they bring it up in opening statements to rationalize and justify Casey Anthony's ridiculous lying.
	Prosecution exposing the truly dark and deceptive.
	And also keep in mind, guys, she has a vendetta against her father at this point.
	He testified in grand jury against her.
	Okay.
	She found out from the detective that her father testified in grand jury, which led to her indictment for murder one.
	So of course she's going to be angry and potentially come up with a ridiculous story of her abusing her as a child, which is why she lied.
	Holy man.
	BUM BUCKER!
	...nature of Casey's character.
	While the state relied on fact, the defense clung on to theory and proposed every conspiracy under the sun in the hope they would create enough skepticism and confusion.
	One of the more noted details of the trial was the courtroom presence of Jose Baez.
	He had an exceptional ability of narrative control and storytelling.
	And his capacity to create a connection with a jury seemed far more adequate than that of the state.
	This was Yeah, my man is Charles Dickens.
	He's a great fictional writer.
	It was a beast.
	I just want to say that the parents of Casey weren't allowed to show any emotion at the court.
	Oh, they weren't?
	No.
	Why not?
	Because they would kick them out.
	They would engage the case or something.
	Ah, so the parents weren't allowed to show emotion.
	They had to say that.
	Any emotion.
	So when the parent I mean, her dad was he found out that she was blaming him at court.
	Oh, yeah.
	So he had to stay still.
	Yeah.
	And I think the reason why, guys, is because they were witnesses in a case.
	So since they were witnesses in the case, that's why uh I'm yeah, that they probably didn't want them to show any emotion because that would make the jury think something.
	Yep.
	So interesting.
	Recognized and mentioned multiple times in the media, yet the overwhelming majority of those following the case were almost certain that it wouldn't be enough to save the defendant.
	Closing arguments were put forward on Sunday, the third of July.
	And just so you guys know, the most important arguments a lot of the times are opening arguments and closing arguments.
	And how you open and end the trial is typically what stays with the jury.
	When you have a child, that child becomes your life.
	This case is about the clash between that responsibility and the expectations that go with it.
	And the life that Casey Anthony wanted to have.
	Casey meets Tony.
	Tony has this life.
	He's free.
	He's a club promoter.
	He's out there at night.
	Club promoter.
	Yo, imagine killing your kid for a club, uh, an aspiring DJ.
	Imagine killing your baby, uh a beautiful three-year-old girl for a club promoter and aspiring DJ.
	Yeah.
	Holy.
	Boombuckard.
	This is called Philly guys.
	Feeling saw it.
	And she did this to have a like an idealized life.
	Yep.
	So she could go ahead and see below streets.
	With the loud music and dancing, and it's a great free life.
	So she has a choice.
	A life tethered to a child.
	Or a life free to be 22.
	And as hard as it is for anyone to imagine, she had to choose between two sacrificing two things.
	The first was her dreams and the life she wanted.
	And the second was her child.
	And we'd submit to you the evidence in this case shows that the choice she made was her child.
	Here we are at the end of our journey.
	This guy gave a really good closing argument, guys.
	I want you to pay attention to what he does here.
	And I have to tell you that I probably think you have more questions than you have answers.
	And if you recall at opening statements, the first the final thing that I told you, at the end of the day, when everything is said and done, the one question will never be answered.
	The key question in this case will never be answered.
	It can never be proven.
	And that is how did Kaylee die?
	I'm gonna start with my biggest fear.
	And that's in his favor because the prosecution, right, wasn't able to conclusively have a smoking gun.
	They had a bunch of great circumstantial evidence, right?
	Motive, etc., but they didn't have the smoking gun.
	And that's where the defense could come in and be like, whoa, well, they didn't prove it all the way.
	We don't know 100%.
	We know like 95%, but we don't know 100%.
	We're missing the 5%.
	We're missing that 5% trial uh jury, okay?
	Remember that 5%.
	This is a woman, she's gonna go ahead to jail for life.
	Her life is gonna be on your hands.
	I'm gonna tell you right up front what I fear may happen in this case.
	And I want to talk to you about it and explain why I feel that way.
	This case deals with so much emotion.
	I know that there were times where every single person in here felt something deep down inside.
	Your rules of deliberation, what the law is is that this case must not be decided for or against anyone because you feel sorry for anyone or are angry at anyone.
	You'll notice that Mr. Baez locks the jury's focus on this while subtly concealing this.
	He presents the argument that the prosecution has purposely got the jury emotionally invested in the case in the hope it would push them towards a guilty verdict.
	Yet in this exact same statement, he himself is getting them emotionally invested for the exact opposite reason.
	While refuting the prosecution's supposed attempt to entice anger, he subtly attempts to evoke empathy.
	Say what you want about this attorney and the ethics of his conduct, but what you are about to witness expertly done of this lawyer after this case.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	And what many believe to be what saved Casey Anthony's life.
	And that's because obviously we want you to base your verdict on the evidence, not on emotion.
	And it's my biggest fear because it's such a difficult thing for you to push aside.
	Kaylee Anthony was a beautiful, sweet, innocent child who died far too soon.
	There's no doubt about it, and that is not disputed by anyone.
	But to parade her up here to invoke your emotion, Would be improper.
	It's improper under the law and it's unproper as to the rules of your deliberation.
	He went on for a great length of time talking about this beautiful child.
	Not on his evidence, not on the evidence that was presented before you.
	It was to set up the emotion for what was to come.
	Which is exactly what he's doing now, but in the opposite direction, which is very interesting.
	So he's trying to say that the prosecution's case was based all on emotion and outrage, trying to get y'all to convict her because she's a terrible mom.
	And that is exactly how this case was presented.
	You they didn't come right out the gate and show you the evidence.
	They gave you two weeks of testimony that was completely irrelevant and served only one purpose, and that was to paint Casey Anthony as a slut, as a party girl, as a girl who lies and has wait, that's all true, though.
	Absolutely nothing to do with how Kaylee died.
	And this prosecution was geared in such a manner that it was deliberate, it was methodical, it was thorough, and it was detailed.
	Mr. Baez then focuses on the fact that the state has the burden of proof and thereafter continues to intertwine the two essential features of his argument empathy and doubt.
	Don't speculate, don't guess.
	It has to be proven to you beyond and to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt.
	If you don't know what happened, it wasn't proven.
	We don't want you to tell us what you think happened.
	We want you to tell us what was proven happened.
	And that is what the big...
	See, that is a great comment because hey, what did the government actually prove in this case?
	It's not what you think, it's a what was proven.
	And the evidence, guys, even though it was solid circumstantial evidence, they didn't have that smoking gun.
	They didn't.
	You know, the the the smell from the car, eh?
	A cadaver dog was able to identify it as human remains, but they didn't find Casey Anthony's DNA in the car.
	The masking tape, there was dispute on between professionals whether the tape was on the face um during uh when she was still alive or not.
	So there was holes, right in the prosecution's case, even though minor, but that's all the defense had to do was exploit these small holes and create a little bit of doubt.
	And that's the difference here.
	Because you know what?
	We can go on and speculate all day long as to the different theories that were posed before you, as to the different possibilities.
	But the truth of the matter is, is it must be what was proven.
	What you know versus what you could prove are two different things, and he is correct here, which is terrible, you know what I mean?
	Because we all know that Casey Anthony is a stupid 304 that killed her daughter, so that she can go ahead and post on MySpace and be uh, you know, an early IG thought.
	But did the prosecution prove that she callously killed her daughter so she can go ahead and be at 304?
	That is the difference, my friend.
	No mysteries to solve here.
	There should be no mystery before you right now.
	If you have questions, then it was not proven.
	And that's as simple as it goes.
	Now back to what I was saying with their initial setup, the way the case was presented the first couple weeks.
	You see, the strategy behind that is if you hate her, if you think she's a lying, no-good slut, then you'll start to look at this evidence in a different light.
	You'll start to, oh, wait a minute.
	Maybe I I'm seeing something that's not there, and start to actually discriminate against her rather than give her the standard that is afforded to each and every citizen in our country.
	And that is that the state, that the government come in here and prove their case beyond and to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt.
	But you can get away with that if we can get a jury to hate her.
	But you're here to fulfill an oath.
	You've labored tremendously over this journey.
	And we're going to ask you to render a verdict of not guilty on these charges because they simply were not proven.
	And that's what he's standing on.
	They were not proven.
	And they're simply not true.
	For the Ninth Judicial Circuit in Enforced.
	Here we go.
	Orange County, Florida.
	State of Florida versus Casey Marie Anthony.
	As to case number 2008, CF 15606-0.
	As to the charge of first degree murder, verdict as to count one.
	We the jury find the defendant not guilty.
	So say we all did it at Orlando, Orange County, Florida, on this fifth day of July 2011, signed four person.
	As to the charge of aggravated child abuse, verdict is to count two.
	So say we all did it at Orlando, Orange County, Florida, this fifth day of July 2011, signed four person.
	Damn, bro.
	As to the charge of aggravated manslaughter of a child.
	Verdict is to count three.
	With the jury find the defendant not guilty.
	So say we all dated at Orlando, Orange County, Florida, this fifth day of July 2011, sign four person.
	And juror number 12, were these your term correct or yes, thank you.
	Okay.
	Well, uh counsel.
	She literally avoided the death penalty.
	This dude saved her life, guys.
	And the defendant approached the podium.
	Well, I hope uh that this is this is gonna be the greatest gloats I've ever seen in my life by this fucking guy.
	Listen to those of you having indulged in media assassination for three years, bias and prejudice and incompetent talking heads saying what would be and how to be.
	Uh I'm disgusted by some of the lawyers that have done this.
	And uh I can tell you that my colleagues from coast to coast and border to border have condemned this whole process of lawyers getting on television and talking about cases that they don't know a damn thing about and don't have the experience to back up their words or the law to do it.
	Now you've learned a lesson, and we appreciate the jury, those of you that have been objective and professional, we like it.
	Others we're gonna be talking to again.
	This guy, bro.
	Like he could have hold himself back.
	I told you you might as well just give a middle fingers.
	I told you we were gonna get off.
	Ah you know, it was over here flexing.
	He wasn't even the lead, he was the co-chair, he wasn't even the lead attorney.
	Oh my god, bro.
	He had to flex though, he had to do it.
	I told y'all she was interested.
	I told y'all!
	Thank you very much.
	Casey did not murder Kaylee.
	It's that simple.
	And you don't even believe that.
	Come on.
	Our system of justice has not dishonored her memory by a false conviction.
	Hilarious, man.
	Crazy stuff, guys.
	Crazy crazy stuff.
	So that concludes that uh documentary.
	So we got actually something interesting here for y'all.
	Um that Angie found out.
	Just find out that apparently Casey, Casey Andon, fell for bankruptcy in 2013.
	Uh-huh.
	And that's why she was like, he didn't have any money to pay the lawyer.
	The lawyer.
	And what ended up happening there.
	Apparently, uh paid private investigator, um, did a research and investigation, obviously, on this, and he found out that apparently Casey was paying um a bias, uh, her former attorney, lawyer.
	Yeah, uh, with sexual favors.
	Oh boy, I told you she belongs to the streets is this in here.
	She 304 for freedom.
	Yeah.
	Here, you want to show it on screen?
	Oh, yeah.
	Uh here present right there up top.
	Yep, and then hit share screen.
	No, down, down, yeah, right there.
	And then uh, not that one.
	Click actually.
	This one screen one.
	One second, guys.
	Uh it's gonna be this one.
	Yeah, okay.
	Well, it says in here that apparently this private investigator heard...
	Yeah, highlight it for them so they can see it.
	He heard Baez tell she owned him three blowjobs.
	Oh, can I say that?
	Yeah, three, yeah, you can say it.
	It's fine.
	Well, let me enlarge it for y'all real quick.
	There you go.
	All right.
	Now highlight it for them.
	Here.
	So he says that he claimed that he heard bias till her she owned a three big jobs after he canceled a media interview at her.
	Bro, what the hell?
	Oh Lord.
	Because she had no money for her defense.
	That's crazy.
	So he was, yeah.
	She she gave that crazy guacalk three thousand.
	Apparently she was seen too close to her lawyer after the trial.
	I believe it.
	I mean, Johnny Depp, bro, did the same with his lawyer.
	He ended up smashing her a few times.
	So I I believe it because if someone saves your life, you're gonna want to like, I guess, repay the favor in this case.
	And he shouldn't have paid, so he was like, Oh, it's okay.
	Cause here's the thing.
	He definitely made that money back.
	I'll tell you how that.
	After he won that case, he got booked.
	He was able to increase his rate to whatever the hell it was you were saying before.
	So yeah.
	Uh and just so you guys know, she did end up getting, even though she got acquitted of the murder charges, right?
	She was convicted on four misdemeanor counts of providing false information.
	She was sentenced to four years, one year for each quote count according to CNN, but with credit having already served three years, she was released from jail on July 17, 2011, in part for good behavior.
	So they threw the book at her for lying, guys.
	But you don't get that much time for misdemeanors, but they're like, you know what?
	You got off on killing your kid.
	We're hitting you with the book.
	As far as um, you know, these misdemeanors, because remember, guys, the misdemeanor is a year or under anything over a year, 366 days or above, is considered a felony.
	So they hit her for a year for each of the lies.
	So they you know, Florida was like, hey man, we're gonna get our justice somehow.
	So they hit her with that, and uh, hey man, at least she did some jail time, but yeah, guys, this is this is wild stuff.
	All the life they will have hit her with like life sentence.
	Yeah, yeah, no, I know with all those lines, right?
	But they probably were only able to use the lies that like they were able to like demonstrate, like actually mess them up, like going to Universal Studios, like change.
	Yeah, exactly.
	The stuff that like actually made them waste time because they had to like prove why the lie hurt the investigation.
	So um, all right, cool.
	So I guess guys, that is the Casey Anthony case, man.
	We've been going for three hours here, man.
	Time flies when you're having fun, right?
	Um Angie, what do you want to tell the people?
	Any what are your thoughts on the situation?
	Uh final thoughts, whatever.
	Because I know we got cut off for a bit here.
	They got what you said on Twitch, but they didn't get on YouTube.
	So if you want to summarize it back up.
	Well, yeah, basically what I said is that well, I actually want to highlight that.
	Uh George Anthony tried to suicide after I don't know, I can't remember if it was after or the father, George Anthony.
	Yeah, okay.
	He tried to he tried to hurt himself uh um commit suicide.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I think he was trying to jump off a balcony because he was staying in a hotel.
	Oh wow.
	Something like that, I read.
	Uh because he yeah, he had a hard time while this happened.
	Like the trial and all that stuff.
	But yeah, my conclusion is that yeah, this crazy this crazy girl just wanted to have some fun and she didn't want to have any responsibilities, and apparently her baby was just like her biggest I don't know, object I don't know in her life to have this live.
	So she wanted to have the uh idolized life or the streets, however you call it.
	Yeah, the streets.
	And she killed her baby.
	That's for me.
	But um, yeah, hands down, she killed her baby, and she got away with it, basically.
	No, it's it's uh it's definitely uh a wild.
	I'll read some of these super chats by the way, as well, guys.
	Um thank you guys for all the support.
	So we got here 10 bucks from Long Ho.
	Yo, your guys' names are hilarious here.
	Uh let me put this up on screen.
	He goes, just donating shout out uh to you for everything, Myron.
	How much longer for why women deserve less and will it be in big bookstores?
	Yeah, so it's gonna be on out on Amazon, guys, and I'm gonna release it on audio.
	Uh it's gonna be out probably it's done.
	I just sent it uh for um to be put out in print.
	So we'll probably have it for you guys by February or March.
	So it will don't, but don't worry, it's gonna be on Amazon, it's gonna be on all platforms.
	Y'all will be able to get it.
	And I'll also have it on all the guys, it should be called most women though.
	Most women, yeah.
	Instead of white women, because you're including everyone there.
	Yeah, well, yeah, fuck your feelings.
	Uh okay.
	Uh Edward Bates.
	Who was the woman who lied on Emmett Till?
	Uh, that's a good question.
	Can you look that up real quick for the people, Angie?
	Uh woman, uh, just type in Emmett Till a accuser.
	Uh I'm sure someone in the chat might have already put it.
	And thank you guys for sending in the super chats.
	I just didn't want to read them in the too much in the middle of the show, so I can you know get through it because I knew this was gonna be a long one.
	Uh, shout out Fed, DefNF episode of You Debating Two Fan Miss Wells.
	He enjoyed the high IQ combo.
	Appreciate that, man.
	I know some of you guys got annoyed by that debate, but bro, whenever you bring these people on that think they're their intellects, you can't just sit there and get mad at them be like, yo, shut up.
	No, no, no.
	You gotta hear their points out so you can actually attack the points, not the person.
	You know, so I'm okay with having these types of uh debates with people that you know think that they're super educated.
	You dude, you gotta you gotta uh you gotta battle these feminists with logic, man, because they always lose.
	So they kept saying everything was a social construct when in reality it's not, dude.
	That's just not the way the world works.
	Uh case CKB goes, yo, Martin, if N FNF gets banned from YouTube, you'll have to stop posting on Fed as well.
	Because if you do, they'll ban Fed as well.
	Who knows, man?
	Uh, once LDA uh becomes a YouTube member, shout out to you, my friend.
	Welcome to the team.
	Uh, we got here uh another chat from Rex Gardner, huge fan of your content.
	Inspired me to ask the love of my life to marry me.
	Guess what my sister said?
	Yes, thank you.
	What?
	These guys are crazy.
	Yo, yo, this chat is crazy.
	Yo, guys, give me a favor.
	Uh, can you guys like the video by the way?
	Help me get up to 1500 likes.
	I think we're at 1400.
	So uh, yeah.
	You guys are hilarious, bro.
	What the hell?
	My man, trolling out here out the wooza.
	These super chats got no chill.
	You guys are funny.
	Uh Myron's grandfather, and it's a picture of Osama Biladen.
	Uh, thank you, bro.
	Mombuca!
	You already know what time I'm on, grandson.
	I know what time you're on, bro.
	You on that demon time, my friend.
	I thought you were dead, though.
	Oh uh Obama said you were dead, bro.
	Are you alive still?
	Uh Miss Lawless goes, Casey later said her dad abused her sexually and had seizures when Kaylee died.
	She also claimed Kaylee was great baby with her ex-boyfriend who drugged her.
	Yeah, I think that's from the documentary from Peacock, right?
	More than likely, where she gives her side, which you guys can go ahead and check out that documentary um where they pretty much pin all of it on the father, but I mean, y'all saw his demeanor.
	I think that man is 1000% innocent, and she just wanted to fight fire with fire, and she was mad that he testified against her in a grand jury, which is why she made that absurd lie up that she was assaulted by him.
	To those of you saying y'all need subtitles when the lady talks, what's wrong with y'all?
	Just F and listen, she doing all her best.
	They're talking about you.
	What you gotta say to people that say you need subtitles?
	Nothing.
	Fucking man.
	Her English does suck, guys, so it's okay.
	Don't feel bad.
	I don't understand her either when I be talking to her.
	I'd be like, wait, what?
	It's something what?
	Okay, uh, let's see here.
	She goes sport about it though.
	Uh the fuck.
	I read a chapter of uh why women deserve less as she got triggered.
	But she was like, you know what?
	This is interesting.
	Super Javi, one dollar.
	Thank you so much, super havi.
	I don't know if this is a troll account or not, but you look uh handsome with that hair.
	Uh maybe I'm not woke enough.
	Maren, are you going to do a pre-order for your book?
	Uh I'm not gonna do a pre-order, but I am gonna sign the first 200 copies for y'all.
	Okay, guys, so don't worry.
	Uh if you guys want to sign a copy, I'll sell it.
	My Space was the move back in the day.
	Yeah, uh, broke from the smoke.
	Yes, MySpace was back in the day.
	You could play your music and shit back in the day.
	Remember that?
	What was the song that was on your Myspace profile?
	My son.
	Yeah, what was everybody?
	Oh man, I don't want to.
	My song?
	My Zook.
	Yeah, what was it?
	Tell the people.
	What was your MySpace song?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Uh, probably uh Jonas Brothers son.
	Jonas Brothers.
	Yeah.
	What was the name of the song from Jonas Brothers?
	Maybe SOS.
	SOS from Jonas Brothers?
	Yeah, probably.
	I've never heard that song.
	So, or maybe I have, but I just can't remember.
	But I know the chat's about to start roasting you.
	Yeah.
	Uh James Burnett, thanks for the breakdown.
	Thank you, James.
	I appreciate it.
	Uh wait, is that the James Burnett that I used to know?
	Bro, are you back alive again?
	Are you back here?
	Where are you been at all this time, man?
	We haven't seen you in a long ass time.
	Uh, and then we got here uh three diglits.
	That dude had black eyebrows, white hair, and a gray mustache.
	Yeah, I know.
	He was that just for men, if you know what I'm saying.
	Or in this case, just for chokes on his on his daughter.
	He said, get over it.
	Get over her.
	Where's my granddaughter?
	He turned into Batman.
	Where is she?
	Where is she?
	Casey.
	Where's Kaylee?
	He probably smacked the shit out of her.
	Uh, Pathological liars should just not commit crimes.
	Facts.
	They always ruin things because they can't keep a straight story.
	Believe all women, right?
	Come on, man.
	I know, bro.
	I know.
	I know.
	And then we got here Don Patron, Mexican nanny gem name generator.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	So I think we're caught up on all the chats.
	Did they make fun of her song?
	Yes, they did make they're making fun of your song, your song.
	Martin, good to hear from Feta again.
	Are you going to get Greg Du Set on FNF?
	You guys were talking about that.
	K and F uh uh Chess Pro Pod.
	Would love to see.
	Yes, we will be getting Greg Du Set on, guys.
	Don't worry.
	I got him locked in.
	I just gotta figure out.
	I just gotta figure out the day.
	I gotta talk with this people.
	As you guys know, we're in YouTube jail for a week, so I couldn't really, you know what I mean?
	Adam Russell, 39, super sticker, 10 bucks.
	I appreciate that.
	Um someone in here said a lot.
	Well, shout out to you, my friend.
	Hello, what we'll get the rocks on Casey, man.
	Because what she did was very haram.
	Um, but yeah, all right, cool.
	Um, Angie, anything you want to sell uh you want to drop your Instagram for the people real quick and where where they can find uh you want me to type it here because C I don't know.
	Should I say it?
	Spell it uh spell it out for them and then I could type it in.
	So it's S-O-A-N-G-E L I C A A. All right.
	So it's so Angelica with two A's at the end, guys.
	Yes.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	And I put it in there for y'all so you guys can go ahead and send a dick pic to you.
	No, please don't.
	No.
	All right.
	Hey guys, hope you guys enjoyed that video, man.
	Uh, we'll be back with um Fresh and Fit tomorrow, 7 p.m.
	We're gonna have Charleston White.
	We got a lot of heat planned for y'all.
	I'm gonna go ahead and schedule the Greg Ducet interview.
	Thank you for bringing that up, and I will definitely hit up his team.
	Like y'all know, we were in the uh YouTube jail for a week.
	Guys, like the video so you can go up in the algorithm, share this one with a friend, because as you guys know, when you're banned for YouTube from week, you can't pass.
	You sorry, you can't post it, you know, messes with the algo and all that other crap.
	So subscribe below.
	Um sorry, subscribe, like the video, comment below what you guys thought about the case and the breakdown of Casey Anthony.
	Was she guilty?
	Was she not?
	And uh, yeah, man.
	Uh check me out also at Fed 1811 on Anchor and Yeah, and Angie, how you enjoyed?
	Shout out to Angie, by the way, for helping out.
	She did a bunch of research.
	Thank you for having me.
	You know, I uh I think they like you probably the most of a lot of the other ladies that I brought on the show because they don't really study or know too much of some of them.
	Crazy grills here.
	That's true, but they're hot, so you know it is what is this internet.
	Uh but other than that, guys, love y'all.
	I'll catch you guys on the next episode of Fed it.
	I'll catch you guys back here tomorrow for Fresh and Fit at 7 p.m.
	We're gonna go get some food.
	Uh peace.
	Love y'all, man.
	Thank you so much for the support.
	I was a special agent with homeland investigations, okay, guys.
	H S I. The cases that I did mostly were human smuggling and drug traffic.
	No one else has these documents, by the way.
	Here's what FedEx coverage.

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