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Jan. 4, 2023 - MyronGainesX
02:31:30
Fed & @TrapLoreRoss Discuss Tate Arrest, How Feds Do Cases, YSL RICO, Hop Hop, Drill, and MORE!
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Hey, we are live.
What's up, guys?
Welcome to Fed It.
I'm here with Trap La Ross, man.
We got a lot to talk about.
Man, we got a lot to talk about.
Yeah, I'm so hyped.
We talk about YSL guys, hip-hop drill, all the different cases going on.
Let's get into it, man.
I'm a special agent with Homelands Investigations, okay, guys?
HSI.
The cases that I did mostly were human smuggling and drug trafficking.
No one else has these documents, by the way.
Here's what FedIt covers.
Dr. Lafreyo confirmed lacerations due to stepping on glass.
Murder investigation.
He shouldn't have reached in this jacket.
You don't know.
And he's positioning.
It's been on February 13, 2019.
You're facing two accounts of two liberty.
Racketeering and Rico conspiracy.
Young Slime Life, hereinafter referred to as YSL to defendants.
6ix9ine.
And then this is Billy Seiko right here.
Now, when they first started, guys, 6ix9ine ran with these two.
I'm watching this music video.
You know, I'm bothering my head like, hey, this shit lit.
But at the same time, I'm pausing.
Oh, wait, who this?
Right?
Oh, who's that in the back?
Firearms and bowls.
A.K.A.
Bush I.C. violated.
In order to stay away from the victim.
The rapper Bush I.C. arrested after shooting at King of Diamonds, Miami Strip Club, injured one person.
This is the one that's going to fuck him up because this gun is not tracing.
Well, what happened at the gun range?
Here's your boy 42 Doug right here on the left.
Okay.
Sex trafficking and sex priority.
They can effectively link him paying an underage girl.
And the first bomb went off right here.
Shut down a backpack.
The site of the second explorer inspired by Al-Qaeda.
Two terrorists, their brothers, the Zokar Sarnev and Tamerland Sarnov.
When the cartel ships drugs into the country.
As this guy got arrested for espionage, okay?
Trading secrets with the Russians for monetary compensation.
The largest corrupt police bus in New Orleans history.
So he was in this bad boy.
We're gonna go over his past eight seconds, alright?
What's up, guys?
Yeah, you guys got Fed It on a Tuesday, man.
As you guys know, I normally do Fed It on Sundays and Thursdays, but we got a special guest in the house, man, and he leaves back to the UK.
So we got to make sure that we go ahead and get this interview going, man.
And we've got a bunch of stuff to talk about, actually.
Hell yeah.
So, Ross, I know who you are.
Just in case the people don't know who you are, man, can you introduce yourself to the people?
Sure thing.
Yeah, it's Trap Law Ross.
I make very long, in-depth documentaries about the most important situations in the rap game, drill music, you know, classic rap stories from way back to very recently.
We just try and cover everything, really.
Just try and cover like everything in depth.
I mean, I know FedEx goes extremely in depth when you cover a story.
A lot of the stuff I use your stuff, your research to make the videos, or I'll just react to it and I'm like, yeah, this is, and then I'll go further into like maybe what a legal term means or whatever, how they conducted the investigations to get to that point.
So your content helps me a lot.
A lot of times I'll get a really good background on it from watching your stuff, and then I'll go and look at like the more legal law enforcement side.
Well, I think we're living in a really interesting age because like right now we're on the internet where there is ridiculous amounts of information out there about criminal cases.
Obviously, music and lyrics kind of give an insight into a lot of real situations going on in the street or in crime history.
And like my thing has always just been if I tackle a story, I want to just try and find every single tidbit of information I can about that story, put it all into one video and really just like show and tell.
And I think, you know, you're really good at that too, as far as just like finding all the information.
You know, I love it when people use me as a source because I'm kind of just like out there trying to use any tricks that I can to find out all the information about a situation or an artist or a crime.
And bro, we're living in a crazy time of the internet where the access to information is nuts.
And that's actually something I want to talk to you about because I think for me, sometimes I really take for granted like the methods that I use as far as people always say to me like, bro, how did you find this out?
How did you find that out?
And I'm like, oh yeah, I just fucking, I don't know, Googled it.
Reddit.
I cross-referenced Google with Reddit.
And it kind of makes me realize, oh, it's kind of deep, actually, the way that I put these together.
But you, with your experience as a Fed, I imagine that the resources that you've had at your disposal to investigate real life situations and now using the internet to investigate kind of famous crimes.
I feel like maybe I've got a lot.
We've got a lot to learn from each other as far as like hunting down that information.
Yeah.
So for people that are wondering, as far as like law enforcement goes and how law enforcement gathers information, there's a couple different ways that you can go about it.
So one of them is you could do something called an administrative subpoena.
An administrative subpoena is basically like, hey, we need you to give us these types of court records.
Now, depending on the agency that you work with, some agencies can do administrative subpoenas because they have the power to do it.
They have the authority to do it and others can't.
So when I was an agent, I worked for Homeland Security Investigations.
And we were able to give out admin subpoenas.
And typically it was under two different laws.
It was either under 8 USC, which is immigration code, or under the Title 21, which is the drug code of the United States.
So you can issue a subpoena to them, hey, for one of those two reasons or customs violations, excuse me, Title 19.
So you can issue a subpoena, let's say to like a phone company.
I figure out that this crook has this phone number.
I want to figure out who owns that phone number, who the subscriber is that phone number.
I can give the phone company an admin subpoena.
They give me back the information on who runs that phone number.
Now, if I want to get into something more, a little deeper, like the contents of the phone or whatever it may be, well, number one, I'll have to have the phone in front of me, right?
Or if I want to look at their iCloud, I'll have to do something called a search warrant.
And that is pretty much you write up an affidavit that outlines all your probable cause, why you need to be able to search this particular device, right?
So you got admin subpoenas, right?
So if we're going to go on a hierarchy, admin subpoenas are at the bottom.
You can just issue that just because, hey, I want to figure out who the subscriber of this phone number is.
Then after that, you could do something called a grand jury subpoena, which is a higher level of a subpoena, which allows you to get like detailed information on bank records, on things that are a little bit more, typically it's for financial cases, especially.
And also, you can also do grand jury subpoenas to like figure out someone's phone information or whatever.
But the reason why grand jury subpoenas, right, are better than admin subpoenas is because admin subpoenas, a lot of the times, let's say I give an admin subpoena to Facebook or to Yahoo or to Google.
Well, for one, they can go ahead and disclose to their describer, their subscriber, that the government is reaching out to try to get their information.
And depending on the company, some companies have 30 days, 60 days, 90 days.
But in general, they do have the ability to tell their customer, hey, just so you know, the government asked for your stuff.
All right.
So if you don't want them to notify the subscriber of your investigation and your subpoena, you get a grand jury subpoena.
That way, they cannot go ahead and disclose that.
And then the level above that is what could be like a court order, right?
You could be something along the lines of something called a trap and trace.
And what a trap and trace is, aka known also as a pen register.
That allows you to track real time someone's phone activity, right?
So let's say I know that you're a drug dealer, right?
And you're calling and communicating with a bunch of different people that are involved in criminal activity.
Well, I could do something called a pen register, which is a court order.
All I need is reasonable suspicion for that.
And basically, it's going to give me a live feed of all of your phone activity.
I'm going to see all the numbers you're contacting, all the people you're talking to, et cetera.
I don't know what you're talking about, right?
I don't know like anything specific.
I just know you're contacting these numbers.
So let's say I know that you did it.
I was watching you on surveillance.
I know that you did a drug deal at 5 p.m. on Monday.
Well, what I'll do is when I know that you're doing these criminal activities, because I've been watching you on surveillance, I'm going to go back to the office, look at the pen register at that time period of when you were doing that drug deal.
Every single phone number that you contacted during that time period more than likely is involved in criminal activity.
I'm going to subpoena those numbers, figure out who the fuck they are.
And this is how you build the cobweb of conspiracy, right?
So that's a pen register.
But that's just a court order.
You don't get real content.
You just know who they're contacting, right?
Really good for drug trafficking investigation.
And then after that, you get search warrants.
Now, this is probably the highest level here because at this point, you got to write that affidavit like I described earlier.
Hey, it needs to be what probable cause.
You give it to a prosecutor day.
You say, you know, make sure it's good and go, good to go.
He sends it to the judge.
You go to the judge's chambers.
You swear it out.
He gives you the actual search warrant.
And then, bam, you go to the dude's house and you kick in the door.
Or if you have their phone, you start to search it or whatever, you know, you plan to search.
And then the highest level above that is something called Title III intercepts.
And a Title III intercept is wiretapping phones.
Got it.
When you're listening to, when you're listening to people's phones, or if you're wiretapping their email, you can see all the emails coming in.
It's real-time monitoring of the communication and the actual content.
And to be able to do a Title III, you need that pen register I described before because the pen register is the foundation from which you're going to do the Title III.
Because once going back to the drug deal thing, you did a drug deal at 5 p.m.
I know this because I was watching you on surveillance.
Maybe you had my source, my informant, bought drugs from me during that time and you communicated with three or four other people and then some people showed up.
Well, now I can articulate, well, Ross is talking to these five phone numbers who I know are sources of supply because I did an investigation.
I looked them all up and I figured out that, you know, they're all members of this cartel, this drug trafficking organization.
Bam.
Now I write a Title III affidavit.
I need to listen to his phone because I know he's involved in criminal activity.
I've pretty much made your phone dirty with the pen register.
And maybe I have a recorded phone call with you and a source where you guys are talking shit or talking about criminal activity.
And then that is going to be the basis for which I get my Title III.
So that right there is pretty much most of the tools a lot of law enforcement officers have to figure out to do their investigation.
So just a quick little recap for y'all real fast.
So number one, it's admin subpoenas, guys.
Okay.
This is the lowest level where you can go ahead and send a subpoena to T-Mobile or whatever.
I need to know who the hell owns his phone number.
Then you got a grand jury subpoena.
Grand jury subpoena is you get that through the prosecutor and a grand jury, right?
They convene and they give you what you need.
And then you go ahead and you issue that to the bank.
Hey, I need these financial records and you can't tell your goddamn customer I'm looking.
Then after that, you got a court order.
An example of this would be something like a trap and trace slash pen register where you're actively monitoring someone's phone, right?
You can't really see what the hell they're talking about, but you can see who he's contacting.
Then after that, you got a search warrant.
A search warrant, basically, you know, an affidavit is written outlining all your probable cause.
You bring it to a judge.
He signs it.
Bam, you can go ahead and search.
And then on top of that, the highest level is at Title III, which or T3 or wiretaps, as we would say, Title III intercepts, we call them in the government.
And that is when you're actively monitoring someone's medium of communication, whether it's a phone, an email, et cetera.
But to be able to listen to a Title III, you need to have that pen register to establish that phone is used in crime.
And you need something called a dirty phone call, which is maybe an informant calls the bad guy, maybe an undercover calls the bad guy, and they talk about criminal activity.
Bam, now I got your fucking phone.
Your phone is dirty.
I've established that.
I have real-time information that you're talking with crooks.
I wrote my T3 affidavit, which could be anywhere between, they're long.
Last one I did back in like 2018.
When was the last time?
I did it in, I think, 2016.
I'll never forget.
Yeah.
I signed on September 1st, 2016.
It was 75 pages.
It was a drug trafficking case.
And you need a lot of probable cause.
To be honest with y'all, you guys need, you need more probable cause to listen to someone's phone than to arrest them.
Damn, that's good.
So, bro.
Yeah, I threw a lot there.
No, no, that was fire.
So I was I was always a huge fan of the wire, the show growing up.
Oh, yeah.
You must have seen this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Baltimore.
So that shit in the show where they're literally, you know, they're in like a dingy office, you know, they're listening.
They're all listening in on all the drug deals.
Is that what it's really like?
Yeah.
So yes and no.
So when you're doing a wiretap, you have to do something called, you have to like read in everybody to the case, right?
Because since it's Title 3 intercepts and that's considered like one of the biggest invasions of someone's privacy, you need to read and certain people into the case and only certain people can listen to the conversation.
So anyone that's in your group that's helping you with the investigation and we monitors a lot of times a lot of agencies will go ahead and hire outside monitors to come in and monitor the call.
And then they're like professionals that like listening to it, writing it down, transcribing it, et cetera.
And then typically there'll be one agent in the room supervising them.
So are there some agencies where the actual agent themselves sits and listens to it?
For sure.
But most of the time, you have third-party contractors/slash monitors.
They come in, they listen to it, they interpret it, they print out the paperwork for you, et cetera.
And there's agents overseeing it.
Why do they do that with a third-party contractor?
Because to me, just off the bat, that seems like a not secure way of handling this information.
Or is it trying to create a separation between the agents and the subjects?
Typically, the reason why is just they don't have enough manpower.
Oh, okay.
So like, so like there are some agencies that do T3s all the time.
Got it.
Or like DEA, they're on wires all day.
Okay.
So for them, they'll have a specific, like I know for a fact, like DEA has wire rooms a lot of times and they'll have dedicated monitors that like kind of work under DEA that do it.
But some other agencies don't do wiretaps as much.
So because they're very expensive, they're very difficult to do.
They're extremely labor intensive.
Right.
So you can get in that third-party contractor to come in and do it when you actually do have the wire up.
Damn, that's crazy.
But yeah, it's really interesting hearing you talk because I feel like almost by accident through doing my content, you know, every video trying to go deeper and deeper and more in depth.
I feel like I've almost built up a very scrappy skill set that is almost akin to like an intelligence agency because I sit there and if a rapper's gone off on Instagram live and copped to a few crimes, I'm sat there transcribing that.
Yeah.
You know, and I'm not listening to a wiretap, but the guys recorded themselves.
Yeah.
And I'm sat there listening to it.
They made the job easier.
Exactly.
You know, looking at who's in the background, cross-referencing, you know, maybe images from Google Maps to an IG Live where a guy's on someone's block.
Yeah.
Trying to.
That's just not easy.
That's hard.
I'm not hate that.
That's hard, dude.
But I guess the thing that I really want to talk to you about is like, what methods do you guys deploy to get the info of what's going on in the streets or in the crimes?
And what can a normal person or a person like me do to kind of almost like hack together versions of that?
Because for me, for example, it's like, I can, I can't tap a guy's phone, but I can watch all of their IG lives.
I can read all of their Instagram posts.
Like I did the Rollo case recently, a big drug deal and self-snitching case.
And one of the things I did, I just, I went through his entire Instagram.
Most of it's still public.
I looked at every post.
I read every caption.
You know, I cross cross-referenced between music videos, stuff that was in the indictment, what was going on, and just kind of plotted it out.
I guess similar to what you would have done in a case.
They use his Instagram against him.
Because I covered the Rollo case too.
And I read the criminal complaint, which is basically a criminal complaint, is It's a document that an agent writes up where he writes an affidavit outlining all of his probable causes to why he needs to get an arrest warrant to go and get somebody, right?
So, in the criminal complaint, because he got arrested by ATF, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms and Explosives, which honestly, I thought was a little weird because they don't normally do drug traffic investigations.
But the reason why they had the case was because he had guns, he was dealing with the drugs and he had some guns.
So, when I read the affidavit, they actually use his Instagram as like evidence in the affidavits.
So, yeah, they're definitely use your Instagram.
But besides the stuff that I described before, you know, your subpoenas, your search warrants, your court orders, your Title III intercepts, et cetera, other investigative techniques you can use, right?
Because those are more like what I would consider formal techniques that you're using to accentuate your investigation, right?
Like, like you're gathering information.
You're like, okay, now I need to go deeper.
So, but to get the information so that you can go ahead and get the probable cause for a search warrant or get the probable cause for a title three intercept, nine out of time, dude, ten times, dude, you need informants.
Informants are literally the backbone to any type of criminal investigation.
When I was an agent myself at my height, when I was in Laredo, Texas, I was controlling somewhere between 10 to 20 informants at any given time.
When I was in Miami, Florida, I was controlling like five to ten, right, at any given time.
And they're the backbone of everything.
And you have different types of informants, right?
So every agency outlines it differently.
But what I could break it down for y'all is these in general, every agency is going to have their informants in these categories.
I'm going to describe.
You got maybe like a source of information, or I used to call it an SOI.
That's this is someone that just gives you information.
Maybe they like the police.
Maybe they just hate crime.
Maybe they just want to help out, et cetera.
Or they're vindictive against an opposing criminal or some shit like that.
So that's SOI.
You don't necessarily pay them.
They just contact you and give you information.
Then you got something called a cooperating defendant, which this guy is working off charges.
Maybe you got him pinched on some state-level charge, or maybe you can indict him on something that you got him red-handed for and you decided not to charge, but you have that over him that, hey, we can indict you any day.
You better fucking cooperate, right?
Or they've already been charged and they're kind of working it off and they're out in the streets like cooperating, right?
Then you got a what I call an actual real confidential informant.
And a confidential informant nine out of ten times is going to be documented, or some people might call them like a documented source, right?
You know, Homeland, we call them confidential informants.
The FBI calls it confidential human sources, CHSs, I believe.
And then DEA calls them, damn, what does this DEA?
I think DEA calls them.
ATF calls them CIs.
I think DEA calls them CIs as well.
Typically, it'll be like CI number 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.
You never use his name.
And then these guys are documented.
You have a file for them.
You pay them.
They get benefits, right?
Sometimes I had informants that I paid money.
I had some other informants that I gave immigration benefit, which is like a unique authority that only Homeland is able to do with their informants.
So those are typically the different types of informants you have.
And then you got undercovers, which an undercover is not an informant.
A lot of people say, oh, like they'll say dumb shit.
Like, Tix Nile was a fit.
He was undercover.
No, undercover is an actual special agent, trained, has a gun, full-fledged law enforcement authority, et cetera.
Stupid.
He just works behind.
He's just in an undercover capacity.
So the criminals don't know who he is.
So undercovers or agents, informants are agents of the government, but they don't necessarily work for the government.
They're just documented and they're cooperating and helping, whether it's for money, financial reasons, whatever it is, or immigration benefits, etc.
You ever see the show Oz?
The last prison one.
Yes, I watched, I watched the first couple seasons.
You see in that where they I don't know if you remember, but they sent a guy, a guy undercover into the jail to try and bust the like drug ring in the jail.
Did like do people, do they actually do shit like that?
Like when they send it undercover in, I've always wondered, I'm just like, that strategy must be so risky.
Yeah.
But like, I'm surprised they even do it, but it must work.
It must be a successful approach, right?
Like they build a whole life around an agent and send them into the gang.
Yeah, I mean, it is very, very difficult to get an undercover into a criminal organization where they're like being where they're actually very, very trusted.
It's very difficult.
That takes like years sometimes.
You know, if you look at some of these famous like ATF cases or you look at like the famous FBI case with Donnie Brasco or whatever, like that's like deep undercover, right?
Where they have them literally literally living with the criminals, et cetera.
Do agencies do undercover like that to this extent nowadays?
Not really, right?
With the advent of the internet and technology, whatever, they could find out shit.
It's a little bit more dangerous.
It's not as easy as it was back in like the 70s, 80s, and 90s.
But, you know, there are definitely deep undercover operations going on like that.
Just, I want to say, because putting your guy in jail, you always have, it's always like a risk for, you know, weighing out the risk, right?
So is it, does it benefit you more to put an undercover agent in there, right?
Or if you have a reliable source, put a reliable source in there.
You know, it might be better to just do go with the reliable source because with the agent, you don't want to put your guys at as much risk, unfortunately, right?
Versus a crook.
Man, that's crazy.
It's just crazy.
Like, you know, you see this kind of thing in movies, but sometimes it's like you feel like, oh, that can't be real.
Like, it can't be to that extent.
But like, that's what you're saying.
And you're going to need a lot of approvals.
And the other thing, too, a lot of the times is like, you're going to need approvals from like the ward and all this other shit.
And if you're conducting a criminal investigation, right?
You want as little people to know what the hell is going on as possible.
You know, maybe you might, maybe people in the jail at the highest level know, but you don't want the CEOs and everybody else knowing because you don't know who might leak it.
So that's why it's like, these are some of the issues you go into when you have undercovers in certain capacities because they can definitely get, you know, put in bad spots.
So you said you had like 10 to 20 informants working for you at any time.
Yeah.
Real shit.
Did you ever have them get found out and like popped by the gang?
Or like, you know, surely if you get discovered as an informant, it's a wrap thing.
That's a good question.
Maybe you can't say.
No, no, no, no, I could say.
So I've never had them get made that they worked for me, but definitely they've been, you know, people think that they're informants.
You know, like when you're dealing with criminals, one thing about them is they're all paranoid, dude.
They think everybody's a source.
They think everybody's a nerd.
So they'll employ tests here and there to try to see if your guy, you know, works for the police.
Or if I introduce an undercover, they'll try to see if he's the police and they'll put on like little stupid tests.
So I've never, luckily, I've never had a guy get made to the point where he got hurt or anything like that.
So that's that's good.
But it is a very real risk that you run into.
I mean, I remember being out on surveillance and we're buying guns from dudes, right?
And, you know, my source is like wearing a wire or whatever it may be.
And I'm just like in my head, like, I pray to God, like, they don't see, they don't see the wire or that.
Yeah, I could hear everything going on.
Bro, like in a van, like literally like a moon, like you're outside in a van.
Yes, bro.
So you're, so, so I remember, I'll never forget this.
So we were doing a deal, right, with some, uh, with some, some crooks from San Antonio one time, right?
And we're in this small little rinky dink town, you know, in between Laredo, Texas and San Antonio.
And we're doing this deal to get some AK-47s and some rifles from these dudes.
And my source is in there doing a deal, talking with them.
And, you know, they're speaking Spanish, right?
They're the Mexican.
And I'm listening to the thing.
And we have a van, right?
So I'm monitoring it as a case agent with like, I call it like the, you have multiple cars.
So as a case agent, I'm the one taking the notes and seeing what's going on, et cetera, because I'm responsible for the case.
Then you have something called a cover team on the side.
And that cover team is as close as possible to the source, right?
And an undercover was in there too.
And their job is if anything goes down, because they're monitoring it as well, they're going to go in there, guns blazing to get them out.
So yeah, man, I mean, when you're dealing with criminals like that, there's always that fear that they could get the biggest fear I always had whenever I did these types of deals was that they would get ripped.
And a rip is basically when you show up with crooks and, you know, there's a drug exchange or a money exchange or some kind of exchange where no large sum of money is there and they just take the money and rob or and rob your guy.
So that's why we would always like, one way we would circumvent that when we deal with these guys, especially if we do like high kilo deals or whatever, is the bad guys would meet first.
None of the stuff is on set, right?
Hey, you got the stuff?
Yeah, I got the stuff.
All right, where is it?
It's over there.
I got to go get it.
Okay, you got your stuff.
All right, cool.
Feel it out.
And then, bam, then they come back with the, with the stuff, and then that's when the takedown would happen.
Or we would just let it walk.
We would take the, we would take the evidence, pay them the money, walk, let them go, and that's it.
And if they were driving with other people that I didn't know, I would go through some kind of process where I would either get them like stopped by the state and local police.
Maybe I'd have a trooper on standby, you know, stop them like 30 miles up the road so it doesn't look too familiar.
Or when they go through the border patrol checkpoint, because you have to go through the border patrol checkpoint when you live on the Southland border, it's just natural for them to do that inspection.
I'd have the border patrol agents stop them, do a basic inspector.
Oh, America Sudan says, okay, let me see all IDs.
Done.
Their ID.
All right.
Have a good day.
Bam.
Now I identified everybody in the vehicle.
Damn.
Okay.
So you got to break it down at a molecular level for me because it's so interesting.
Sure.
So you're talking about going on real busts where you take a bunch of money and you're going to buy guns, drugs, whatever it is off the bad guys.
Yes.
Basically.
And so walk me through that actual scenario.
So you guys, you might be in a van, you're nearby.
You might be listening in, but the goal is for you to what catch them.
I mean, like you say, you don't want to get ripped off, right?
But you're bringing real money to buy real dope or whatever it is.
And do you allow the exchange to happen completely?
And then you go and get them later?
Because you say you pulled those guys over and got their IDs, right?
You let them go.
Yeah.
Like, do you go and you then just go and bust them in a bunch of cars?
Okay.
Do you, is that only step one?
Like, this, it's just crazy.
Like, it is so, so interesting to hear it from the other side because I feel like this is the aspect of this that never really gets broken down in popular media.
People, especially films and TV shows, they're kind of mostly concerned with like the criminal side, like criminals that get away with it.
But I would just love to know how that plays out.
Like, sure, every detail.
And that's a really good question.
All right.
So, you know, you know what?
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I will go ahead and tell you guys exactly how an undercover operation is broken down.
Hell yeah.
Beginning to end.
So, number one, you meet with your informant, you meet with your undercover, right?
You brief up the entire team.
Hey, this is the undercover, right?
You got a team probably of 10 to 15 agents.
They're going to go out with you.
You got a cover team.
You got a couple of surveillance units, right?
But you must have a cover team if you're going to send in an informant or an undercover.
So you brief them up.
Hey, here are the guys we're going to meet with.
Here are the guys we're going to go ahead and purchase the drugs or the guns from, et cetera.
I show pictures of all the potential targets that are going to show up to the deal.
So at that stage, you've got, you know, near enough everything.
You know, all the people involved.
You know who you're sending in.
Because we've set it up before.
So like maybe the undercover was speaking with the bad guys.
Yo, I'm going to be in town.
I need an AK.
Can you hook me up?
Sure.
Can you do it on Thursday?
Yes, I can.
Let's do 3 p.m.
Cool.
Once that deal is set, right?
And we made that phone call and we got it established.
Then I start creating something called an operations plan.
And I go in the operations plan, I talk about, you know, it's basically outlines everything.
The day, the time, the agents that are going to be involved, everyone's roles, the nearest hospital in case someone is shot or hurt.
You know, if we have a helicopter or a plane involved in the surveillance, their call sign, everything, right?
The vehicles that are going to be there.
And you have to do this operations plan.
After you do the operations plan, you do something called a briefing.
At that briefing, you brief up everybody that's going to be involved in the operation.
You don't come to the briefing.
You don't do the operation.
So you'll have your 10, 15 agents there.
And the undercover, you'll introduce everybody, put them in their roles, and then you're going to go pick up the informant.
The informant's not going to be there a lot of the times, right?
You go pick up the informant, pat him down because he's a crook too, of course.
And then he meets undercover if they haven't already met, et cetera.
And then, you know, you wire them up, all that other stuff, right?
And you also wire up the undercover.
Then you go, and then they drive to the meet location.
You follow them, and then they go there.
A lot of times it's in a parking lot, somewhere public, whatever it may be.
The vehicle that they're in is wired up.
It's an undercover vehicle a lot of the times, right?
So you're traveling.
This is quite a big operation, right?
And it's quite a big convoy.
So how do you stay low-key when you're going along to something like that?
Because if I'm there to sell someone an AK and I'm seeing three white vans and a suburban, I'm sure.
Good question.
So how do you stay incognito when you're going into that situation?
Agents get there first.
The undercover and the informant or whoever is like doing the undercover capacity of the investigation, they come after.
So we all set up where we're supposed to meet.
They surround the place and then the undercover comes in later.
So we get there first.
So what happens then, right?
Because obviously you got this is the interesting thing, right?
Because the feds, you have to follow all the rules.
You've got an operations, you know, manual, however you set it up.
You've got to do everything by the book.
Exactly.
Whereas a criminal, if they're not feeling the vibes, they'll be like, if you want to buy this AK, we're going to switch the location last minute.
That happens a lot.
And so that must fuck your shit.
That must just, you must just be scrambling at that point, right?
So how, not to get too derailed, but these details are so interesting.
Yeah, no, no.
It's, it's, that's important.
Because they do that shit all the time.
They do do that.
So when they do do that, right?
And they say, oh, we're going to switch the location or whatever, you figure out where that location is.
A lot of times it's like somewhere else that's public or whatever.
So, okay, cool.
I'm going to need 30, 40 minutes to get over there.
Bam.
All the other units go over there, scope it out, and then, you know, and then they pull up.
Do they ever go and scope it out and find like an ambush set up or like some fuck shit?
They're like, oh, you know, let's have the meeting at this point.
You guys go ahead.
And it's like, no, this ain't right.
Or someone else is there or something, something's messed up.
How do you deal with that?
It happens.
That's why it's so important that all the surveillance units go there first and scope it out and make sure that, you know, they're not trying to set it up for a rip or whatever may be like that.
So then once you, once you set up at that location, whether it's the first one that they agreed upon or a second one that they try to spring on you, you sit there and you wait.
And then they do the exchange and you're listening in and you're gathering your evidence, right?
So everything is recorded in there.
Now, here's the difference between the feds and the state.
When the feds do these types of opportunities, excuse me, when the state does these types of operations, it's typically a buy bust.
Well, that's cool and all, but they're not going to get the significant amount of time and you're not going to be able to build up the conspiracy to the same level as if you let them go.
Because what happens is you do two, three, four, five of these deals.
They start to do what?
They start to trust you.
And then when they start to trust you and you're coming in with money, we're spending thousands of dollars with these idiots, right?
Buying guns and drugs from them all the time.
They start and we start, what we do is we start asking for higher quantities.
Start asking for more sophisticated weapons, right?
Then we can start getting into it.
Hey, we want some grenades.
Hey, can you guys hook us up with half a kilo of meth, et cetera?
And we go, and obviously, these guys aren't the ones that are able to facilitate that, right?
Oh, let me introduce you to this guy.
Let me introduce you to this guy.
Or a lot of the times, since a lot of these crooks don't want to lose the money, okay, I'll get it for you.
So I know, yo, you're a mid-level guy.
You don't have the ability to get out of these weapons for me.
So I'll go and look, do a phone, you know, subpoena and look at their toll records and I'll see who the hell they called right after the deal on my undercover.
That is more than likely the source of supply from which they're going to get the stuff that they're going to talk about in the next one.
Nailed them.
Yep.
So, okay, next couple questions.
Next couple questions.
What is the biggest or most extreme buy, if you can say, that you've done in both weapons, craziest weapon that you've tried to get your hands on, and biggest amount of dope that you would put on a bus?
Like you would say, we need this amount or whatever it is.
Like how, how, what levels do you guys go to?
So you want to stay away.
And this is, I guess, a misconception that the movies get wrong all the time.
When you're the feds, right, you don't want to go in there buying kilos, right?
You typically start with buying a few grams and ounces, and you want to keep it at that ounce level.
And I'll tell you why here in a second.
But you want to build up buying small quantities and go into the higher quantities.
And the reason why you don't want to buy kilos is because once you start buying kilos, this is where we're talking about 10,020, 30, $40,000, depending on the drug, right?
Like a kilo of meth can go somewhere between 10 to 20K, kilo cocaine around 20 to 30K, depending on where you're at.
I was on the Southwest border, so it was typically around 25 to 30,000.
Heroin can be 20, you know, 10 to 20,000.
So obviously the government doesn't have money like that.
You can't be out here just buying drugs all day.
That's stupid.
But what you do do is you do these drug deals to identify other members of the organization and work your way up and get, and you do these operations so you can go ahead and exploit telephones, right?
Whether it's you're doing title to three intercepts, you're getting probable cause to do search warrants, et cetera.
You're getting your informant more involved into the criminal organization because when you're spending money, they're like, oh shit, and they'll start to build trust.
So as far as like buying drugs, I never bought more than a few ounces at a time.
And the reason why is because it defeats the purpose, right?
And especially what I was buying, I was buying meth.
I was buying, and the thing is, too, with methamphetamine, meth has very strict sentencing guidelines.
And the meth that I was buying was 90% plus pure.
So in the feds, anything over 80% is considered pure.
And that gives you way higher sentencing guidelines.
So if I went ahead and bought a kilo of meth versus buying an ounce of meth and it's 90% pure, well, why would I go ahead and buy more and spend more money like an idiot versus I could just get a couple ounces to get the evidence that I need and still at the same time move up the totem pool?
So it's about being intelligent so that you don't spend too much money doing stupid stuff because you have a finite amount of money for your operation.
Damn, that's crazy, man.
Yeah, that's crazy.
It's budgeting my criminal activity, guys.
You're going in there and you're getting people to come through with, you know, meth, guns, you're building a case.
So you're saying in a lot of cases, you let them go, right?
Yeah.
But you're building it up to that point.
So let's say you're in a situation where you buy, I don't know, a few ounces off somebody, a few guns off somebody.
You're building it up.
But then at what point do you guys go, okay, now it's time we're going to sweep in and get them?
Do you catch them in the act?
Or at that point, you've built all the evidence, you just come and kick in their door and take them away.
So that really comes down to tactical strategy.
So it depends on kind of the level of danger of the targets you're investigating, right?
So like if you know that these are really bad dudes, well, it might be better for you to get them at six o'clock in the morning with a SWAT team when they're in their pajamas.
Or if you know that you don't necessarily know where they live, they move a lot, they're all over the place, then maybe it's better to bust them at the end of an operation.
So it depends on your target, their living style, danger, all these things kind of come into equation.
For me, I would typically just send a SWAT team in and get them at six in the morning once I had my arrest warrants.
Like I wasn't one of these guys that was like, oh, I want to kick in the door and we call them tackle berries, guys that like always want to be involved in kicking down doors, all this other shit.
Like me, I was more concerned with like building big cases.
Like I was what you would consider a strong case agent.
And there's different types of agents.
You got your guys that like to do the tech stuff, right?
They just more of a support angle, right?
Then they do that like full-time.
You got your guys that are computer forensics guys that just analyze, you know, evidence on computers.
A lot of times it's child pornography, right?
They're getting that evidence and analyzing and doing the forensics, finding evidence for you.
You got agents that do outreach and other bullshit like that.
You got agents that do SWAT team stuff that all they do is just kick in doors.
And then you got guys like me that are like, I build strong cases.
Like when they go and do a press release on an investigation, right?
And it's like the office's biggest case, that's my shit.
That's what I like doing because that gets you the most respect in the office by far, right?
I was always really big on doing big, complex, organized conspiracy cases with multiple defendants, multiple crimes, multiple jurisdictions, multiple countries.
So that's what I was always interested in doing, not necessarily doing all this admin bullshit.
I cared about doing big cases.
So let me just rewind for a second.
A minute ago, you said when you go and do these busts, okay, you have these support vehicles.
Everybody's kind of watching and listening in for if shit goes left.
And you've got going guns blazing.
Yeah.
Can you tell me about a time when shit went left and guns had the blaze?
I'm trying to think here where we extracted somebody.
Luckily, on my operations, it's never happened.
None of my operations ever happened.
But I do know like a year ago or a year and a half ago, there was a shooting here in Miami with Homeland Security, my old agency, and I think it was Coral Gables or something like that, not too far from here.
And it was our financial group that shot.
I think I know who the agent is that shot him.
But yeah.
But luckily for me, none of my operations have ever had something like that happen, dude.
You don't want that because then if someone gets shot or someone gets killed or whatever, bam, now OPR, Office of Professional Responsibility is going to get involved.
Then you got the probably the FDLE here in Florida, Florida Department of Law Enforcement.
They're going to come in and do an investigation, right?
It's like, fuck, man.
So you never want that stuff to happen.
So thank God, like, none of my operations ever went left where someone was hurt or we had to actually use some kind of force to get an informant or an undercover out.
And I was able to do that because I had really good informants.
Like, even though a lot of them were shitbacks, I had really good informants that they were in the game.
And when they introduced my undercover, they did it in such a seamless way where the crooks a lot of times didn't even really suspect it too much.
Damn.
Okay, let me switch gears.
Yeah, sure.
So with everything you know, everything I know, for entertainment purposes only, what would be the best way to get away with some crimes?
Or like, what is some shit that not only an insider would know, but just like, like, for me, for example, I often say in interviews and in some of my stuff, it's like, yo, rappers, don't, don't rap about the crime specifically.
Don't put in your lyrics, we shot this guy this time, all this stuff.
You know, recently you got so many people getting indicted.
You got these Rico cases.
You got young thug, young, an artist as big as Young Thug, a billboard chart shopping artist talking about we shot at his mom.
Yeah.
And the dude's mom actually got shot.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
So it's like, to me, that one's common sense.
Yeah.
But I'm always just curious to know, like, what could or what would a smart criminal do to at least not end up doing going the self-snitching route?
You know what I mean?
Because for me, it is simple, but it's stuff like, look, don't rap about the specifics of a crime in the song.
And I always think a lot of rap music, drill music, is better if you can kind of allude to crimes going on without being too specific.
You know what I mean?
I don't think there's necessarily that many props in talking about the specifics for crime.
But I would just be curious to know, even like in the modern day, because it seems like everything's technological now.
Yeah.
It's so hard to get away with crimes or to conceal things.
You got the YMW Melly case where there's, you know, he's saying, oh, you know, the ops pulled up and shot up the car.
And they're like, well, we checked the GPS and that didn't happen.
Yeah, exactly.
Like, that's a nope.
So what crime specifically are you asking we get away with?
Because obviously that would change your strategy significantly depending on the crime.
Well, let's go through the, let's go through the most obvious and the most glorified crimes in the game.
Let's say murder.
I need to kill an op.
Okay.
I got big, there's a big op, right?
He's been causing me all kind of problems.
Yeah.
Okay.
For months.
Big op.
I need to.
Trap geek.
I need to trap geek.
Me and Trap Geek are in the same gang.
We're going to me and Trap.
Say me and Trap Geek.
We're going to slide on hip-hop daily.
Okay.
We said we had it with Hip Hop Daily, right?
We're ready to slide, but we're not trying to do any time.
Okay, we're in the Rico.
Me and him are conspiring.
Yeah.
Right.
What could we do?
For entertainment purposes.
Hypothetically, of course, guys.
In the modern day, like if you were play, because you cover a lot of serial killer stuff too, right?
Yeah, I do.
And like, I'm not trying to do any serial killings.
Yeah.
But like, what would be the smartest way to do that shit?
We could talk about why serial killers got away the most prolific.
You know, your Ted Bundy's, your John Wayne Gacy's, Zodiac Killers, Nightstalkers, et cetera.
A lot of these guys were able to operate for as long as they did because a couple of reasons.
Number one, law enforcement wasn't refined back then where they were sharing information.
There wasn't centralized computer data systems where you could share information like today.
They didn't have phone technology to be able to triangulate where a person's geolocation was at a given particular time.
DNA was not something that actually came out until I want to say around 1987.
And they didn't actually formally start using it in trial to convict people until the 90s, right?
I think the first DNA conviction was 1987, but they didn't actually refine it and use it until the 90s and into the 2000s.
So all these different, and then also the people are going to laugh at this, but the emergence of the interstate highway system also led to serial killers being able to get away with it.
Because if you commit a crime in a rinky-dink town, next day you could be in another state thanks to the interstate highway system.
So this, like Ted Bundy, for example, murdered women in like seven different states.
Samuel Little, who has 93 kills, said killed women in like 10 different states.
And they were able to elude law enforcement a lot of times by just being mobile and using the interstate highway system to get around.
So that's how those criminals were able to get by.
But if we're going to go murder, right, you want to slide on hip hop?
Okay, okay.
So let me glean from the amazing information you've given me so far.
Okay.
So when me and Trap Gig slide on Hip Hop Daily, we can't take our phones on the drill.
So we're leaving our phones at home.
Absolutely.
Okay.
You got to leave them there.
DNA.
So we need to wear gloves.
Yep.
Probably a mask.
Because as we say in London, no face, no case.
Exactly.
So you've got a mask up, glove up, no phone.
How are we going to get there, though?
I feel like the vehicle, if you tying yourself to a vehicle, is always a way to get got.
So, you know what's funny?
I did a whole podcast on this.
There's a book out there called Hitman, a general contractor's, yeah, yeah, this is like a manual.
It's a manual.
I have it somewhere in the house.
Maybe I'll go out and get it real quick.
But there's a book that actually teaches you how to do a hit.
And this book came out like in the 80s or 90s or something like that.
And this one criminal actually followed it to a T and he almost got away with it.
But then the police did a search ward in his house, found this book.
And a lot of the things that, yeah, I know, bro.
A lot of the crimes, right?
A lot of the steps that he had taken were in the book, right?
So, and one of the steps was actually to use a rental vehicle to commit the crime and park the rental vehicle far away from the area and then leave on foot and then go pick up your car somewhere else and drive out.
So, well, the rent, see, this is the thing with the rental vehicle that can lead you to the crime.
We're seeing the young thug situation.
It's looking like the rental is what's gotten him into it.
Yeah.
So I would, and back then they didn't take as much, you know, I guess, stake in your rental car.
So I would never, you definitely don't want a rental car.
I would say get a stolen vehicle.
This is what they do in the UK.
I don't know if you ever heard the phrase dinger.
In the UK, we got a phrase called a dinger, which is like, you know, a dinged up shitty car that's stolen.
Yeah.
Where if you're going to do a drill, you do it in a dinger.
That's what you slide in.
Absolutely.
But that's the thing.
Where are you going to get a stolen car?
Do you steal the car yourself?
Because now you're racking up several crimes to commit the headline.
Yeah, to prepare.
So essentially, you need a stolen vehicle.
I would say a stolen vehicle will work.
I mean, it depends.
If they're not far, bro, use a fucking bike.
I know that sounds crazy, but like use a bicycle.
That's the thing because that's the difference, right?
Because a bicycle, you're not dealing with a license plate.
It's not easily trackable.
There's no electronics in there.
I mean, I tell you what, like you say with the interstate highway, because in London, crime has recently been revolutionized by the introduction of the electric scooter.
Oh, yeah.
Apparently, the Met Police were saying that the electric scooters have got criminals working overtime because they can zip over here, do a quick crime.
I mean, you've been to London recently, right?
It's like it's quite a small place.
It's wild.
It's mostly public transport.
And like, you can get around and do all your shit, all sorts of crimes all over town on the scooter.
Yeah.
So that's one way of doing it, too.
Yeah, you want to, you definitely, I would say when it comes to transportation, because like there's so many different ways, and it depends on how far your target is, I guess.
But I guess the general rule of thumb is you want to use a mode of transportation that can't necessarily easily link you back.
And unfortunately, vehicles can, rental cars can.
And then also, so let's say you figure out your mode of transportation that doesn't necessarily have a trace back to you as much.
The next thing is you got to actually do the drill, right?
So if you're going to use guns, you better take out that barrel after you're done and get rid of that weapon after.
That's what I would say.
Because after anytime you shoot a weapon, right?
Which I know in London, you guys don't have guns, but let's assume that you guys did have guns, right?
Basically, what happens is when that bullet goes through that barrel, it creates that barrel gives that bullet a certain fingerprint.
It gives it certain swirls that are unique to that barrel.
So that's how when they do ballistics, they're able to figure out, oh, well, these bullets were fired out of the same gun because the same groove pattern.
So it's quite literally a fingerprint for the bullet that identifies that gun.
So I would obviously take apart the gun completely, get rid of that barrel because that's going to be the most important thing.
And then throw it all over the place, like throw different parts of the gun all over the place and get rid of the weapons.
It always amazes me how people keep the weapons.
And then also, it's much harder for prosecutors to solve a case when they don't have the body because when they have the body, they're able to identify how the person was murdered, which will give them clues.
You know, time of death, all that stuff.
So getting rid of the body is obviously, you know, important too, if you're going to be a crook.
Another big question.
People are writing notes right now.
Okay, hold on.
Wait, what did you say?
Chris is like, I got a couple of people out, like it's a bad day for the ops, man.
It's over for the ops.
So, what's that new Glock?
Who this?
Yeah, so okay.
So, another thing I hear about a lot in songs, right?
And this is a hilarious, this is one of the most hilarious lyrics that I can even remember.
Poo Sheisti has a lyric where he says, My chop has got a shell catcher.
We don't leave clues.
Coming from a man that left quite a lot of clues.
It's hilarious.
But the shell casings.
Yeah.
That's bad news leaving those behind, right?
Yes, because that is how they're going to be able, if they do find the gun, they'll be able to match up the shell casings with the barrel of the gun and be able to say conclusively, these bullets were fired from this gun because every gun barrel has a very distinctive groove pattern.
Am I right in thinking that revolvers don't leave shell casings?
Well, they don't eject them.
Yeah, they don't eject them.
Yeah.
Got it.
But the problem with revolvers, even though they're fantastic guns from like a reliability standpoint, they don't jam, et cetera.
They've stood the test of time.
You only get six bullets.
So, you know, you better be pretty damn accurate.
And you've got to reload those manually.
Yeah, yeah, that's trash.
Actually, matter of fact, the revolver used to be the main gun that law enforcement agencies in the United States use.
But after, I want to say 1986, the FBI got in a huge shootout here in Miami, actually.
I did a whole case on it, if y'all want to go check it out.
The FBI shootout in, I think it was 1986, where the dudes were using rifles and guns and semi-automatic pistols, and they killed a bunch of agents.
And that's when they realized, holy crap, we need to give our law enforcement officers guns with better stopping power.
And that's when most agencies switched over to semi-automatic handguns that allowed them to have higher magazine capacities.
Jeez, that's super interesting.
And they started getting them like, you know, AR-15s, et cetera, because the two guys that they were following, one of them was an Army Ranger and the other guy had some other military experience.
So those guys not only were trained to operate that weaponry, they were trained to attack the threat versus like law enforcement.
It teaches you more along the lines of like how to, you know, more defensive shooting, how to get rid of a threat when they come at you.
These guys were pressing upon them and they had superior firepower to be able to push on them because they were like fighting out in the street, hiding behind cars and stuff like that.
And they just have revolvers.
You can't compete with a fucking machine gun when they have revolvers.
So that's what kind of made law enforcement switch handguns some higher capacity magazine guns.
And also they started giving them AR shotguns, Uzis, or excuse me, MP5s.
American cops are like this crazy loadout these days, bro.
I see the dudes at the airport and it's just some call of duty shit.
Yeah.
It's nuts.
So you said a minute ago, the best crime for entertainment purposes only, of course, but the best crime where there's nobody.
So that immediately makes me think breaking bad, barrel full of acid.
But I feel like that's just some movie shit, right?
Like what the what?
I mean, I mean, I don't know from like cases that you've looked into or covered or have been involved in.
Yeah.
Like what are the situations where a body is turned up unexpectedly?
I mean, I'm thinking of like, there was a case where I think it was linked to like GS9 in New York where they a guy floated up on the beach.
He was like an associate of Bobby Schmidt.
I know what you're talking about.
Apparently, that's actually not, that's more from the movies.
Like people don't really be doing the cement shoes, but I don't know, like what even just like situations where a body has turned up and got somebody caught where maybe it shouldn't have.
Anything you know in that department?
Yeah.
I mean, a lot of the time with serial killer murders, like right, they'll dump the body somewhere hoping that no one finds it, but they actually do.
You know, like the Green River killer out there in Washington State, they found a bunch of the bodies in like rural areas, like right by the river.
And that's why they call them the Green River killers because they found the bodies right by that Green River.
But, you know, that's just them being sloppy, right?
Because like the issue with a lot of these dudes is like they were into necrophilia, so they would come back and like, yeah, yeah, they would come back and like look at the bodies and do their weird shit.
Ted Bunny used to do this too.
So I guess their strange sexual urges overrode any type of rational thought as to how to get away with the murder.
And the thing is that they had the advantage that a lot of serial killers have is that like there's no real clear link between them and the victims most of the time.
The victim typically just fits some kind of mold that they like.
And it was just like a random encounter where they found him and they were able to kill him, which is very hard to detect motive.
But yeah, I would say getting rid of the weapon and getting rid of the body are critical components to avoid getting caught for sure.
That's crazy, man.
So, okay.
And not having a phone.
Like, like Wynne W. Melly, for example, he is fucked because they have the phones.
Like, I know, and here's, I know somebody on the channel, like, oh my God, Free Melly, whatever.
Guys, I had to say it, bro.
They just put the death penalty back on the table.
There is no way he's beating that case.
See, that's a really interesting case because it kind of touches on several of the things we've just said, right?
Because it's like, you got the phone GPS gun.
And then also, they put the bodies back in the car and drove them to the hospital, right?
So the bodies are there.
And then they did the forensic analysis on the bodies and said a lot of the shots came from inside the car.
Exactly.
And then they found one of the shell casings.
What was it?
Like inside the car in a plastic bag?
In the back left seat where Melly was sitting, they found a shell casing there.
And the other thing too, as well, is that they were able to like look at their wound patterns and they saw like, wait, the way they were shot, the way their injuries are, there is no way that they got shot from a vehicle passing by.
Like, cause the bullet holes on the side of the car that Melly and Bortland shot into the vehicle to try to create this illusion they hit with the shot with the drive-by didn't match up with the wound patterns of the victims.
So that's how the police were able to quickly be like, yo, no, they were shot from inside.
And also the bodies had something called stipling on them.
And stipling is a burn mark anytime you're shot at damn near close range.
So that's an indicator.
And it's like a little burn, like a brown thing on the neck, I think when they shot their friends.
And that's how they knew it was a close range, damn near like execution kill shot as well when it wasn't a drive-by.
What do you think happened in that Melly situation?
Just like just speculation.
Like, what do you think went down?
Because for me, sometimes I think about that.
And it's like the thing a lot of people wonder about this thing.
I do too.
And it's like, I've seen a lot of, you know, before it went down, I was a fan of him.
And I, you know, I've seen a lot of footage of him with his, with his guys that ended up dying.
And you just think, like, why would he do that?
And often I wonder whether it was a genuine mistake because you always see him toting guns, showing guns to the camera, running around with guns, drugs, drink, alcohol, weed.
It's not unthinkable that he was just high in the back of the car and just squeezed the trigger too hard and fucked up and then just scrambled to try and fix it.
But at the same time, there could be a lot more to the story between their personal relationship.
But in your opinion, like as an agent and also just somebody with an interest in music, what would you just spec pure speculation of like what you think went down that day?
So what I think happened, and this is a really like interesting case, right?
Because you got, you know, a hip-hop artist who was literally at like the peak.
Yeah.
Right.
And just, and now he's facing the worst charge ever and he's looking at the death penalty.
So what I think happened is this.
They left the music studio, right?
And then they went to the secluded area.
And it's very obvious, right, that the shots were fired from, you know, inside the vehicle, right?
You find a shell casing in there.
You got stipling.
You see the wound patterns are indicative of more of a close-range shot.
So he shoots the two.
I think an argument potentially ensued, or they had planned it.
Shot them, killed them, right?
And then they're like, damn, what are we going to do with the bodies?
And that's when they devised this stupid idea, or maybe they had it devised before, where they're going to shoot into the vehicle and be okay.
But the problem is that Melly didn't realize that not only were they going to match up the ballistics and the bullet holes and the wound patterns, but also his phone is, you know, the nail in the coffin because the phone, they were able to pinpoint that he stepped out the vehicle, walked around and shot into it to be able to create this illusion.
And they have it like point by point where you can't refute cell phone geolocation data, you know?
So that's what's going to end up sinking him is that like, and the other thing too is that they gave statements to the police that completely contradict the hard evidence that you cannot refute.
Like it completely doesn't make sense.
So that also, you know, goes into showing them trying to decept the police.
And then the only, I think the biggest thing was people were like, what's the motive?
What's the motive?
Well, we know one of them had a financial dispute with Melly.
And I know Melly's mother had a dispute with one of them as well.
So, I mean, that could have been a motive as well.
I think the prosecutors have been investigating and they figured out there was something around like $500,000 or something like that that there was some arguments about.
But yeah, I mean, that's what I speculate happened is they killed him in that random area because the area they killed him to, it's not too far from here.
It's like 20, 30 minutes from here.
It's the middle of nowhere.
Bro, it's crazy.
In Miramar.
So in your opinion, going back to what we were saying a minute ago, getting away with the crime, obviously, I don't mean to disrespect anybody.
Obviously, you know, rest in peace to the people that lost their lives in that situation.
Of course.
But in light of what we've just discussed as far as like getting away with crimes, let's say you put yourself in Melly's shoots.
Yeah.
Right.
And you wanted to do this.
And essentially, you know, that moment after they shot up the car from the inside, let's say they hatched this plan.
We're going to shoot at the car.
We're going to send Bortland to the hospital with the bodies.
Melly just left.
Yeah, sent one dude to the car.
Yeah.
And like, what, I mean, I realistically, I'm just going to come around and say it.
Like, what could they have done to get away with it?
Well, for one, not have their phones.
They also fucked up.
Bortland's fucked up by speaking to the police.
And then also a lot of Melly's friends got caught in lies for him.
I think Fredo Bang lied on his behalf and said, no, he was with me when in reality, he wasn't.
Someone said that Melly was in their car driving with them to a certain location.
But when they actually looked at the phone location data of that individual, it did not coincide with Melly's phone.
So that's how they knew that that individual was lying and Melly was not actually in a vehicle with him.
So I would say not having phones with you when you commit a crime like that is very important.
Number two, not even speaking to the police at all, not giving a statement, because what happens is when you give a statement, now they got you on a story.
And then they go back to the forensic evidence.
They go back to the phone location data.
They go back to the ballistics, et cetera, and they figure out, okay, this is a lie.
And then automatically, they're like, wait, hold on.
That means you're probably the shooter because you lied like ridiculously.
Well, I feel like it's funny because it's almost like speaking to the police is generally considered extremely suspicious in, you know, I guess, I don't know about ways to put it, like pseudo-criminal circles.
You know, Melly claimed himself to be a gang member, right?
Yeah.
So it's almost unusual that they would go to the hospital and suddenly want to talk to the cops, right?
Yeah.
That almost in itself is a little bit different.
I don't think Melly gave the police a statement, but Portland did.
And that's what kind of made everything like not make sense.
It seems like really, like you say, you know, the phones, you just cooked.
Yeah, the phones, the phones got them dead to rights, dude, because you can't argue that.
You literally cannot refute that.
And then all the ballistic evidence lines up with what the police theorize.
And the YMW Melly case is a perfect example of circumstantial evidence working in tandem together to build a picture, right?
So if you got one piece of evidence, okay, he was here at this time with the phone, right?
That's not that strong.
But then you add in the bullet casing in the back.
You add in the fact that they found glass shards from that same vehicle at that location after the fact that proves that they were there alongside the phone evidence.
You look at the wound patterns of how they were shot, the stipling where it was proven it was close range, how the shots that went into the vehicle from this alleged drive-by didn't match up.
All these little pieces of circumstantial evidence paint a story where it could not have been anything else but what the police are theorizing, which is why their case is so strong.
Because even though they don't have the murder weapon, even though they don't have a confession and they don't have like hard, hard proof, they have a significant amount of circumstantial evidence that paints the picture for them.
And the beauty is that this circumstantial evidence is rooted in, I guess, evidence, right?
Not to sound redundant here, that can't really be disputed.
You can't dispute wound patterns.
You can't dispute geolocation data.
You can't dispute bullet trajectories, right?
You can't dispute methods of dying, wound patterns, and stiplay.
You can't, right?
Even though they go to the police and give a whole other story, you can't refute it.
So that's what makes the case so strong is that it's circumstantial evidence working perfectly together to paint a picture.
Man, it's a crazy case.
He's been sat down, I think, for four years now.
Yeah, dude.
It's crazy.
I hope he gets a trial soon.
I want to know one way or the other.
Yeah.
It's insane.
But speaking of trials, I know we spoke about it briefly off camera.
Sure.
They got the top G. They did get the top G. That was not the news I was expecting to finish off the year with.
Tate got arrested.
I just don't know what to think.
There's been a lot of misinformation about it.
You seem very informed on the situation.
I think maybe you've already spoken on this on camera, but I don't know if there's a way maybe you could break down to me some of what you were saying about what he's dealing with and maybe like what he's up against and what the people can expect maybe.
Yeah.
So I got this information directly from like a Romanian police officer and like how they do things.
And it's a very different world over there in Romania versus United States.
And essentially, they got a search warrant, right?
And when they get a search warrant, it grants the police a period of 24 hours to detain the people that are behind, that are alleged to be behind the crimes.
And in that 24 hours, right, the prosecutor and the police, it gets the 24 hours, they have to go ahead and gather evidence.
So if they gather evidence within that 24 hours, right, that they think is sufficient, they present it to the judge and they say, hey, we need this person detained for 30 days, right?
And in this case, right, a lot of people are like, oh, they must have phoned something.
That's why they're detaining Andrew, blah, blah, blah.
Well, that could be a part of it, but you guys also got to remember that according to social media, how the police view things, whatever, they look at Andrew as a flight risk.
He has a lot of money.
He's famous.
He has multiple passports, et cetera.
He is the perfect example of someone that the government can argue, oh, we need him behind bars because he can run.
Also, they're scared that he might influence witnesses.
That's another thing, too, as well, why they're like, oh, we don't want him out.
So all these people that are saying, oh, he's guilty, he's guilty.
They're holding him for 30 days, blah, blah, blah.
You guys got to understand that a big part of the reason why they're holding him isn't necessarily the evidence.
It's because of who he is, right?
Which is kind of fucked up, to be honest with y'all.
But they're looking at it like he could flee at any time.
He has another home in Dubai in the UAE, in Dubai.
So I think his status and his income and his accessibility to passports is the real reason why they're holding him.
Not necessarily that they have solid evidence against him because, I mean, I spent a significant amount of time with Tristan and Andrew, and they're the furthest thing from human smugglers, human smugglers, human traffickers.
I mean, you know, when we would have our, when we had parties and everything like that, and girls would come and show up or whatever, I remember there were girls that were like, were very rude, weren't polite, annoying as hell.
And they were rude to Tristan, right?
Even though it was there at his house hanging out there, he still went out of his way to get them a driver home, to get them an Uber.
He'd give them cash to get a taxi.
Like he ensured every girl actually got home.
So in my head, I'm like, all right, so you're telling me that he's running a human trafficking organization, but he's over here going out of his way to make sure that women get home safe.
And then on top of that, none of these allegations ever came out before when they had 75 plus models and were running like an entire webcam industry.
But now you want to tell me 10 years after the fact, when they've significantly downsized their webcam/slash OnlyFans operation, that girls want to come forward now?
It doesn't make sense.
So why pick now, right, to come out and say this stuff when I know they significantly downsized that portion of their business?
Like they don't do the webcamming stuff like that anymore.
They have a couple models that work for them, but they know them.
They've been with them for years.
So that is what also had me like, this is some bullshit.
And I think when you are someone like Andrew that is outspoken, sharp, intelligent, knows how the world really works, et cetera, and you go against the grain of what people say, do, and believe, well, you're going to build a lot of enemies.
And quite frankly, a lot of people are jealous of him and his success, right?
This is why all these people run around and say fake alpha male, toxic masculinity, blah, blah, blah.
I've never once heard Andrew refer to himself as alpha male, right?
So it's or Tristan, but that's what I think is that's kind of what's going on is they're being held more along the lines of because of their status versus like real evidence.
Something I want to ask you about this specifically.
Yeah.
I believe one of the women making allegations against him or a woman included in the case is an American woman, right?
Yes.
And it was the same situation where it was he, you know, he got his house raided before.
I could tell you the story on that one.
Well, that's not so much.
I've definitely been interested in hearing that.
I just wanted to ask you specifically, do you think, because like you say, there's a lot of hate against him.
You know, I want to see where the case goes.
Could they try and extradite him to the U.S. somehow for this with a human trafficking with an American woman involved?
Do you think that's the play?
No, not at all.
Because yeah, because she wasn't trafficked.
So I'll tell you guys the facts on that one real quick, and then we can go into the United States potentially being involved.
That girl, right, basically was there at a party and they have her on footage, right?
They have like 20 girls at the house and they had like a house party and that girl was just there at the house.
Her boyfriend sees her at the Tate's house.
Hey, what are you doing over there?
Blah, blah, blah.
Her in a panic, oh shit.
Instead of admitting that, like, yo, you're probably cheating or doing something that you shouldn't be doing that your boyfriend doesn't want you to do, she goes and says, oh, I'm forced to be here.
I didn't want, I didn't want to be here.
I'm here against my will, right?
So the boyfriend, instead of, you know, thinking logically and rationally, like, all right, maybe, maybe she's just lying to me, whatever, he calls the embassy.
And the embassy, right, gets this information: U.S. citizen being held against their will by the famous Tate brothers.
Of course, they're going to, oh, this is a press headline.
Let's do something about this.
So they call the Romanians.
Hey, we need you to go search this house, blah, blah, blah.
We got information that there's an American woman being held there.
Well, of course, the Romanian Romanians are going to listen to what the Americans request, right?
So they go and they search the house.
They find out none of the girls are there.
And they actually go back and look at the surveillance footage.
When they look back at the surveillance footage, they find out that the girl, not only was she there, right, against, you know, willingly, was she there willingly and all having fun and partying with all the girls drinking, eating all this other crap.
She ordered her pizza, left the house, got the pizza, and came back.
So they're like, what the hell?
So they didn't press anything, right?
So no charges, no nothing.
But of course, they had to go ahead and do an investigation because there was a serious allegation made, right?
So nothing ended up coming of that.
Now, let's go and talk about is this going to affect them statewide?
So I've done human trafficking investigations before.
And a lot of the times, human trafficking investigations are very contingent upon victims coming forward and you being able to corroborate that evidence.
From what I've seen with some of these women that have come forward or whatever, they have way too many ulterior motives to be taken seriously or be credible witnesses.
You know what I mean?
Because there's a lot to gain from trying to throw Andrew and Tristan under the bus.
I totally get what you're saying.
And I think, you know, I'm going to, I really, you know, I think everybody in the world is watching this case and just being like, where is this going to go?
I don't think anyone even expected this to happen.
The news was just, I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
But I guess I want to know, obviously, you know, Andrew says, I mean, he said during his arrest, he was being attacked by the Matrix.
Yeah.
You know, I know you spent time with him and I think you, you know, I think you're making a strong case for him not being involved in these things.
But I guess it's more a case of like, could they make it so that he would get extra?
For example, like that woman, I completely understand what you're saying.
You know, it makes sense to me.
If Andrew flew her from the U.S. to be there originally, could they try and turn that around and extradite him on some?
Because I don't know much about human trafficking laws, you're the expert.
Like, I'm not saying maybe, like, we need to move the conversation away from like him being innocent to just like, what could they, let's say that the Matrix is attacking him.
How could they, is there a potential for them to try to get him on U.S. charges?
From what I see right now, no.
From what I see, because yes, she's a U.S. citizen, but any type of crime that they're alleging is occurred in Romania, which is outside of the U.S. U.S.'s jurisdiction.
Like, there's not many crimes that they can prosecute you for outside of the United States.
Just because, like, I know terrorism is one, right?
So, like, killing U.S. citizens, foreign, right, through terrorism, you can definitely get hit with that, right?
But as far as trafficking, I'm not aware of any statutes where you can charge someone for that crime when it's committed abroad, even if the victim is a U.S. citizen.
Got it.
Okay.
And the other thing, too, is that her, just off of the surveillance footage alone, where she left the house and came back, proves that there's so I would say that case, there's no way they'd be able to do that because she already proved herself that she's not credible.
If there was a statute out there that I'm not aware of, to be honest with you, I feel like there's so many weird things about this situation.
Like, like you say, that I remember thinking like that girl that, because I remember that story of like, she got sent out to get pizza.
Yeah.
And then now there's this whole thing of like, oh, the video where he's got the pizza and the pizza.
Obviously, it turned out that the pizza had nothing to do with his being his arrest.
Yeah, not at all.
But like this thing was like, there's pizza involved.
It's like, bro, the thing is just so bizarre.
I'm just like, bro, I sued it for pizza things.
Like the girl went to go get pizza when she was at the party.
And then the other one is when he responded to Greta Thunberg, he had pizza boxes there from a Romanian chain.
And they said, that's how the police were able to identify him being in Romania.
And in my head, I'm like, what the hell?
Stupid.
That's the dumbest thing ever because anytime you come into a country, right?
The country is going to keep a log of people that come in.
And they're not Romanian citizens.
So they're more incentivized to track them.
And the Tates, dude, the way they move, everybody knows they're there, right?
They have their cars, their compound.
They were celebrities.
They're like A-list celebrities in Romania.
And they were like that before the blow up all over the rest of the world.
So when other Tates are in Romania, they know, dude.
So like for them to say, oh, they knew that they were there because of pizza boxes in the screen is preposterous.
I mean, from the background alone, everyone knows that's his war room in his home in Romania.
So I thought that was hilarious when they said, oh, yeah, they discovered it because of a pizza case.
And it's just like, what the fuck?
Is it true that his compound is on Google Maps?
Yeah.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's crazy.
Yeah.
But he's a guy that seems to maybe, maybe he doesn't want it.
If you go on Uber, you type in, it literally says the Tate House and it's there.
But he has security.
So if you try, they're going to fuck you up.
No way.
But yeah.
Well, yeah, dude, it's literally, you could Google it.
I was shocked.
So because I recently re-watched the vlogs with Fresh and you over there hanging out in the house.
I'm fascinated by him.
You know, he's a fascinating guy.
I've watched a lot, a lot of Tate content.
Yeah.
But like, you know, that compound just is just this crazy place.
Like, it's got the Red Pool, got like the Lada by the pool.
It's just this incredible place.
I mean, if, you know, setting aside all the stuff with the case, like, what is your experience of just like being there?
Because that place, no matter what's going on, it's an iconic place in the world.
He is known internationally for his mansion, his car collection, all that shit.
So like, I don't know, what was it like being there?
It's really nice, man.
It's, it's, uh, it's really nice.
And then, like, they, you know, shout out to Tate Brothers for opening up their home to us and Fresh and, you know, letting us stay there.
And we spent a significant amount of time with them.
We were there for like two, three weeks.
And it was, it was awesome, man.
Like, like, and this is why, like, when you get to know people, people might say, oh, well, Myron, you're biased because they're your friends or whatever.
Listen, man, I'm a pretty good judge of character.
And these dudes are the definition of character.
You know, they're men of their word.
They do what they say and mean what they say.
And they take the care of the people around them.
You know, they have an entire staff that, you know, maintains the home and everything.
And, you know, they know all of them by first name.
They talk to them.
They know their families, et cetera.
Like, these dudes are not monsters whatsoever.
It's quite literally the opposite.
And I've seen them be polite and nice to women, even when they didn't necessarily deserve it, when they're being annoying as hell.
Like, you know, they're over, like, he's over here getting girls Ubers that were being rude.
I don't even do that shit.
Like, get the fuck out of my house.
You know, but Trista goes above and beyond to take care of any girl that shows up at his house, whether he likes her or not.
Hey, get home safely.
Here you go.
Bam.
Complete gentleman.
Him and Andrew.
So it was awesome being there, seeing them, how they live their lives and everything.
Everything that you guys see in the videos is real.
They definitely walk it like they talk it when it comes to, you know, having a certain lifestyle, you know, the cars, the girls, et cetera.
Like, girls run to these guys.
So.
I guess something I'd be curious about is, you know, whatever happens with the situation.
It feels like for so long they've been talking about how much they love living in Romania and being away from this sort of, you know, in a way, like not having to deal with this kind of stuff.
It sounds like he was having sort of issues in London when he left the UK.
Do you think he'll stay in Romania after this with the situation that's happened?
Or could you see him going, you know what?
I'm going to switch it up now because of what's going on.
I think maybe he'll go to UAE.
Probably.
You know, it's, it's, you know, he, he recently bought a home there, really, really nice house.
He converted to Islam.
It just might make more sense.
And I think also him converting to Islam might have been a reason too, why they decided, let's go after Andrew.
Because, I mean, Romania is a very Catholic country or Christian.
I don't, I don't, I forget what it's one of the two.
So that could be a reason too, you know, because he used to donate a lot of money to the churches, Andrew.
Yeah.
Interesting.
So that could be a reason too.
There's just so many other like outside factors where they're going after him, where it's like, yo, this is, but I know it's bullshit charges.
Like there's so many other different things.
His conversion, them being famous, them having multiple passports, them having money, et cetera.
All these things, I think, are the real reasons why they're holding them in jail for 30 days versus actually having like real solid evidence, you know?
So it is what it is.
I mean, this whole process, this whole thing has kind of pissed me off.
It fucked up my New Year's.
I didn't do anything.
I just sat inside because, to be honest, when I saw that video of him walking out in cuffs, it really bothered me because when you know someone personally and you see them going through this shit and being wrongfully accused, I can't describe the feeling.
It's like just this feeling of extreme rage and anger that I can't necessarily put a word to.
Does it make you worry that like some shit like this might happen to you?
Or it's all this fear of men going against the grain and kind of being attacked.
Yeah.
Does it make you, I mean, how do you feel?
Because you're, I don't want to disrespect you, but you're kind of in this area, we're realm of people that are kind of hated online or at least.
No, no, no, you're being factual, dude.
And like, you're right.
It's interesting.
I don't really see myself as in that realm, but I have an interest.
I mean, I watch a lot of Tate content.
I watch a lot of your content.
You know, I watch all sorts of different people.
Academics has been attacked on a lot of different fronts over the years.
You know, he's somebody I really look up to.
Even Adam, No Jumper, kind of, you know, people attack him on all sorts of fronts for sure.
And it's sort of like I get a certain kind of, I get more kind of like this sort of reverse racial hate.
Yeah, yeah.
They call you guys culture vultures.
Yeah, yeah, also.
Like no one that's Caucasian can report on hip-hop, apparently.
You, Vlad, Adam, none of y'all can talk about it.
You guys are culture vultures.
I can only make videos on rock and roll stories, they told me.
So I don't know any of those stories.
But I guess, I mean, not to bring the tone down, but like, do you worry some shit like that could happen to you?
Or like that, that, you know, the Matrix will send their agents?
I mean, that's a kind of dumb way of putting it.
Yeah, I mean, it's always a fear because to be honest, I think I say more offensive stuff than Tate.
You know what I mean?
It always baffles me how they go so hard on Andrew when he said so many good things about women, saying they need to be protected, they need to be loved for, need to be, your man needs to provide, you pay for the fucking date.
All this positive stuff about women.
But then they go ahead and they want to say some stupid shit about, oh, he's a misogist, whatever.
Like he says way more uplifting stuff about women than anyone gives him credit for.
But for me, I'm like, well, you know, if I was to hit that level of fame or whatever, they'd probably come after me even harder because I say stuff less less less polite than he does.
So but yeah, man, I mean, this is where I've come to realize I talked about this with Zubi.
Any type of content that promotes masculinity, becoming a better man, or being more attractive and dating is always going to be looked at as like toxically masculine.
Because what I've realized is this.
Anytime you teach a guy how to become more attractive or how to navigate the dating space, it inherently puts women in a very bad light because the things it takes for you to be attractive reveal extremely unflattering realities about women.
I'll give you an example.
Giving a girl flowers, being a nice guy, and being a gentleman used to work 50, 60 years ago when women respected men in general.
But in today's day and age, you do that.
Most women do not respect men in general.
So you have to do things and have dark triad traits that might paint you as an asshole for a woman to be aroused by you, right?
So even though, excuse me, like maybe not being all on her ass, not texting her, not sipping for her, not taking her to on expensive, nice dates without, you know, vetting her first.
All of these things, right, though true, put paint women in a certain light where, oh, they just come off as gold digging whores.
I'm not saying that.
But what I am saying is that you have to move a certain way with modern day women.
And when I admit, tell people this stuff, what it takes to actually be attractive.
There's no way, there's no way you compete around the bush.
It makes women look bad.
But the reality is that women are attracted to things that make them look bad.
That's the cold, hard truth.
They're attracted to bad boys.
They're attracted to guys that don't give a fuck.
They're attracted to guys that put themselves first over them.
Hell, they are attracted to guys like me that say women deserve less.
Book coming out soon.
But in general, this is why this kind of content is hated so much because we destroy the Disney fairy tales and tell guys what it actually takes to be attractive with women.
See, I find this so interesting.
So I've watched tons of your content.
I've spent time in Miami.
I've spent time dating in London.
I've spent time in a small town in the UK.
And I sometimes wonder, do you ever feel like your approach towards women is very urban, like big city focused?
Because I feel like in some ways, like Miami, it's the women in Miami are kind of similar to the women in London, but they're different to the women in like small town, countryside type places.
Do you ever feel like those truths that you expose, which I think there's a lot of truth to them?
But do you ever feel like it's sort of almost like hyper-focused to a certain type of because essentially, right?
What's your certain demographic of women?
And also a certain demographic of men.
Because it's almost like you're competing.
The types of women you're talking about and the type of man you are, you're competing in the NBA of dating, right?
Yeah.
And in a way, it's almost like the advice that you give, it's way more, it's high-level advice, right?
And it's almost like, I wonder whether you wouldn't get attacked.
I wonder whether you get attacked so much because it's almost like you're talking about the most extreme dating scenarios.
Okay.
And I think maybe from the mainstream, or even like, because you've got the internet, you've got people all over the world that maybe haven't experienced that or don't even know those truths or haven't experienced dating at that extreme concentrated variety.
And it's almost like, do you think that attracts more hate to you?
And even Tate, like, for example, Tate, it's like he basically reached this level of social media where he was so polarizing.
Everybody knew who he was.
There was no getting away from him.
There's a lot of things to agree with, things to disagree with too.
And it was almost like he kind of flew too close to the sun and it was just like there was no way for him to continue existing, if that makes sense.
Yeah.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Because his message was so strong that they were like, we just got to cancel him.
You know what I mean?
We can't, we can't debunk his points.
Let's just cancel him.
I would say, so as far as like the content, like, I guess like being for higher levels of dating, no, for sure, right?
Like being in Miami, I've always said it is the Olympics of dating and hypergamy.
But what I would say is that if women dated within their own classes, this wouldn't be a problem.
But the issue is they don't.
Okay, that's really right.
The hypergamy thing is interesting because it's like the Olympics of dating.
That's such a good way of putting it.
Because I feel like it's almost like it takes both sides because it's like you've got the men that are the Olympics of dating.
You're talking about high-level men, the guys in Miami that getting all the girls, they got the boat, they got all this stuff.
And then you've got obviously a lot of the women you're talking about, the high-level women, the most attractive women in Miami.
Miami seems to attract, people flock from all over the country to come here and get that high-level man, right?
But I guess what I'm trying to articulate is it's like, I guess the reason you get attacked so much is because you're kind of talking about this concentrated type of dating, but then you've got women all over the country getting exposed to the content that maybe aren't participating in the Olympics of dating.
And they feel like it doesn't, it's like applying the Olympic rules to them.
They're playing in the amateur league.
Okay.
And I like, okay, that's that's a fantastic point that you brought up.
Well, see, it wouldn't matter if we didn't have Instagram.
And I, and I'd say, like, and I talk about this in detail in my book, how social media, dating apps, et cetera, have literally changed the game.
Like, it has taken the dating game and flopped it on its head.
Because, you know, maybe 30, 40 years ago, a girl would be lucky if two good guys came to her front door a year.
Nowadays, 200 guys can come to her door in a day.
So what that's basically done, right?
And they've done, you know, you could look at like the ice cream study where like they show someone three flavors versus 50 flavors.
When you give them three flavors, they're able to make a decision.
But when you give them 50 flavors, they're not.
And what's happened is that women have a kind of a paradox of choice.
And though a girl might be average herself, the internet, people giving her attention, people telling her she's beautiful, et cetera, via the internet allows her to, if her ego gets inflated from that, and she thinks she qualifies and deserves more, right?
And I would say society reinforces that.
We tell girls that they're special.
We tell girls that they can do no wrong.
I mean, whenever I say, one of the most triggering things I say to modern day women is you're not special.
And they all get offended by that.
But when I tell a man, you're not special, they understand that, right?
That we're all fairly similar in what we bring to the table and our biological urges and what we want.
But like girls all feel like they're special.
Like I'll have 10 girls at the table and I'll tell, they'll all literally say I'm special.
Well, what differentiates you from her?
Well, I do this and this, and they'll describe a bunch of attributes that the other girl described too.
So nowadays, it's not necessarily that average girls aren't necessarily involved in like high-level dating.
It's that they think that they can be involved in it, which is, which is the problem.
I understand.
Yeah.
It's interesting because it's like, I feel like when I started watching you guys to begin with, you weren't.
I don't think the content has changed, but I feel like the way you guys are perceived is more controversial.
It's got more and more controversial each time.
Like the first time I came out here, you were kind of having that scandal, you know, the whole thing where you were on Asian dollar on the shade room.
The Asian doll thing was going on.
And I feel like it's been really interesting because it's almost like I think the same thing with Tate, where it's like, often I think of him and I think of you guys, and I think, is there a way to do the same kind of content, but wrap it in a way that it almost like can please everybody?
Like you could get the women on side and get them to understand because it's almost like, even like with Tate, it's almost like the way it's so adversarial against women or towards men versus women, like tribal.
Like I often wonder, is like, is there a way to wrap that up in a way that women could be like, oh, actually, I get that.
Or is the only reason that Tate and you guys have gotten so big is because it is so divisive.
And that's what triggers people.
Like when Tate says, oh, chicks can't drive so well.
Yeah.
Right.
It's like, that's like skits in people's heads so much that it triggers that debate.
Even the people that disagree with them tweet about it.
Yeah.
Right.
And it's just for me, like, I guess this is a more broader question about social media.
Is it's like, you know, even when like Trump was big, it was like the power of triggering people with things you say to then spark conversation on both sides.
And it sort of makes you hated, but then it makes you big.
Yeah.
Like it's just something I wonder about a lot.
And I often wonder to myself, like, is there a way of kind of like communicating these same points that you guys communicate, but in a softer way so that the women could take it on without being triggered and sort of see the good in it?
Because a lot of women listen to what you guys do.
I mean, I know women that are like, no, I get it, like they're on point, or even like, you know, people that have been on the show and I've spoken to them afterwards.
And it's just like, no, no, no, I see where they're coming from.
Like, and now I've understood.
Like, sometimes I feel like the best shows you have aren't the arguments.
It's where you get the girls on and you kind of end up having a dialogue and they kind of get it a bit more.
And then maybe they communicate themselves a bit more.
Sorry to get off topic.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
No, that's a fantastic question.
So it's a two-part question here.
Is there a way to wrap it up in a more pleasing package that I guess they'll be able to digest?
The answer to that is no.
And the reason why is because what I've come to realize from interviewing now, I think we're at 1805 different girls, is most women cannot understand uncomfortable, biological truths a lot of the time because it reveals unflattering realities about their mating practices, right?
If I say something along the lines of, oh, right.
And of course, you know, I'm not going to lie here.
Sometimes I'll say things in a certain way where it's polarizing, right?
One of my quotes is, all women are gold diggers.
Some are just better at hiding the shovel.
Well, let's unpack that statement real fast before everyone calls me a misogynist.
When I say that, what I mean by is all women are interested in your ability to create as a man.
Some are just better at concealing that interest.
Some girls might say, I only date millionaires and be overt about it.
Other girls might say, I want a guy who's ambitious and has drive.
And they might be a little bit more covert about it.
But it does not change the fact that women are universally 99% of the time searching for a man that is going to be able to provide some kind of security for them.
It's just that they have to dress it up in a certain way so they don't look as bad.
And that is one of the biggest things about female communication is that it's covert to not reveal certain things.
If you think about like the feminine mystique in general, everything about women is done covertly.
You don't know when their periods are going on.
You don't know when they're in heat.
You don't know if they're really interested in you because girls don't necessarily approach men.
They wear makeup.
They're supposed to be a lady.
They're not supposed to speak a lot.
Everything about femininity, when you really boil it down, is supposed to be concealed.
It's not really until modern day times with these city girls and girls coming on this podcast and snitching on themselves where guys are really starting to see and understand female nature.
So feminism is the best and the worst thing because it's allowed women to be empowered and liberated and speak and say and talk about the things they've been doing for decades, right?
That were typically held behind closed doors because they would be shamed and get the scarlet letter.
But it's also bad because it's a weird men on their nature.
And if guys open their eyes and watch the podcast or look at other content creators that make this type of stuff, you'll start to see the big disparity between how men communicate and how women communicate.
And for most women, the reason why this message can't necessarily be delivered a certain way is because to deliver it properly, it has to be delivered in a matter-of-fact fashion.
And women don't like matter of fact.
Women like, well, matter of, what about this situation?
What about this?
They always make arguments for the exception.
If I say something along the lines of women overwhelmingly want a man who makes more money than them, not all the time.
Like I dated a guy one time and I made as much money as him or I supported him.
Okay, where's he at now?
Oh, yeah, you're right.
But they'll make an argument like that, right?
And bad faith, because me saying that women want a guy that makes more money than them makes them feel bad, makes them feel like a gold digger versus like what's real.
It's super fascinating, man.
I think, especially with the rise of Tate, I think we're in an age because obviously I'm on social media.
I've got my channel.
You know, I focus on the stories that I'm interested in, but I observe what's going on.
And it's like, I think Tate really highlighted that, like, his popularity, especially amongst men that I know.
Yeah, he just says it, he says it like it is, right?
He doesn't sugarcoat it.
That's what you guys do.
That's what Trump did.
That's what Yay.
Well, I don't agree with a lot of the things that Yay was saying recently, but his thing was that he felt these things.
He believed them.
He said them and didn't sugarcoat it.
Gotten kicked off nearly everything.
But he was just going going from the gut, shooting from the hip, saying what he wanted.
And it does seem like I guess we're in this interesting social media age where it's almost like the attention goes to the people daring enough to just say it how it is and say fuck anyone's feelings.
Yeah.
And I just often wonder, like, you know, is at the end of the day, is that the formula?
Is that the Trump formula?
He just said what he was, he said what he felt a lot of people were thinking and it worked and he went to the top, you know, and it's like, you know, again, like, not to get too derailed, but it's almost like we're in this weird social media era.
It's like just Tate just said it straight up and he just went straight to the top.
And like, you know, maybe he, maybe he said too many things and now they're after him, you know?
Speaking the truth in, you know, 2022 and 2023 that we're in now is going to be damn near illegal.
You can't really say things that are true if they offend people because we live in a very soft society where people would rather be politically correct than be correct.
And that's the issue is, you know, they want to go with feels over reels.
And that's why this message really can't really be delivered.
And the thing is, I don't expect women to a lot of a majority of women to take what I say and actually listen and understand.
A lot of them just listen, get triggered and respond versus listen, understand, and come back.
So that's why people love Fresh of Fitz so much because it's one of the few platforms where you see modern day women talking to guys that understand the game and you see their logic being challenged and day in and day out.
You see that single lady, that independence narrative be shattered night after night after night from different women.
And they come from different walks of life.
Like we have girls that came from 55 different, I think 50, 50, 44 states, 55 different professions, like 50 different countries, et cetera.
So we bring a wide range of girls on.
And dude, you know, I always say the software, the hardware might be different, but the software is still the same.
And a lot of women believe in feministic type ideals that don't necessarily align with biological hardware.
They want to be strong, independent women, but at the same time, they think that they deserve a guy who's, you know, on top of his game, et cetera, thinking that that guy wants the same thing back.
And the reality is, men don't want masculine women that are strong and independent and combative, but women think they do.
Well, it's interesting because I feel like there's a way of putting that to women that works.
It's really interesting.
You probably saw the Tate Pearl podcast panel.
I didn't see it, but I mean, I know, I'm sure.
Go ahead.
Well, there was an older woman, an older woman on the panel.
I think Auntie was her name, or that's what she went by.
But she was kind of like agreeing with Tate on a lot of points, but from this perspective of like, I've been with my man, I think she said something like 27 years.
And on some just saying it straight up, of like, this is how I kept him.
Yeah.
Telling some of the girls, like, oh, you're saying it wrong.
Yeah.
This is how I see it.
And her and Tate agreeing.
And it was almost like, damn, it was like one of the times where, again, I didn't agree with everything she says.
I agreed with someone who said, you know, there were a lot of interesting perspectives on the panel, but it was just kind of like, damn, this is like, that was for the first time I was seeing almost like yours or like Tate's content, but wrapped up in a way that like you could see women actually like understanding something from it.
And it's just super interesting, man.
I mean, I'm, I know we're getting on topic for FedEx, but like, no, it's so interesting to hear like all these different voices that are emerging.
And it's the things, I feel like it's the things that go against the grain that really stand out these days.
I get a lot of messages from married women that they watch the show with their husbands and everything else like that.
And or girls that are in long-term relationships.
And yeah, it's funny.
Like the girls that have grilled me nine out of ten times have a boyfriend or are married.
Like they have some significant like significant counterpart that takes them seriously.
So it's the girls that hate me the most typically are like indoctrinated feminists that think that men and women are equal.
But girls that like are actually in relationships with men that they love and respect, they understand where I'm coming from.
I feel like that's the value of this show.
I mean, me and my girl sent watch Fresh from Fit and it's like, you know, she likes some points.
I like some points.
Maybe there's a little argument.
Chris dialogue.
Yeah.
That's the fun part of it.
And I feel like in a way, it's almost a shame that like, you know, there's a thing on social media to like shut things down or just be like, oh, listen, you know, we don't like the vibes of this.
I mean, I don't agree with you on everything, but at the same time, it's all about having a dialogue.
Like, I'm open to listening to any perspective.
Yeah.
And like you say, I mean, I've had some great conversations just off the points of this show and watching the show and talking to people about things that have been said.
And it's like, I just think conversation is important, man.
You shouldn't be able to, you shouldn't be forced to not say things.
We should all be able to just be open and have conversations about things.
Yeah, deplatforming is never the way to go.
And, you know, obviously that's what they did with Andrew, which is ridiculous.
You know, and I foresee in the next five to 10 years, like, yeah, we're probably all going to have to be on Rumble.
Man, it's going to be a completely different landscape.
You know, hopefully there's still space for everyone on somewhere.
Yeah.
You know, no, for sure.
Should we hit?
I know some chats came in before.
Shout out to all you guys.
I know we've been chopping it up and stuff like that.
I'll read some of these that just came through.
I know some that probably have some questions.
Let's see here.
Shout out to all you ninjas.
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What holster do you use for your Glock?
And do you carry with one in the chamber?
Always carry one in the chamber.
We call that Duty Carry.
And I use a filster.
And I also got Insane Kynex.
Hey, Martin, it's stupid that rappers are beefing and killing each other over petty things.
Definitely the most dangerous profession out there.
Yeah, it is, especially nowadays.
And that's from Ramon Vargas.
Hey, what's it like serving a search warrant?
Were you like kicking the door in or in the stack mostly?
Mank ENT.
Yeah, I've been at the top of the stack.
I've been the one with the Ram.
You know, I've done all the different things, but bro, it's not as exciting as you.
Well, I mean, some people love it.
But for me, I was like, you know what, dude, I'll put this white team and let them do it.
Like, I'm more concerned with focusing on the case.
Like, I would be there waiting for them to bring the guy out to me and then I'd take him to the building to go interview him.
That's what I was concerned with.
Because if you're there on the scene serving the search warrant, like you can't interview the suspects like you want.
And remember, as a case agent, you're responsible for getting it information.
Trap is young.
Ah, and then shout out to you, man.
Drunk Russian goes, Hey, Marin, I was wondering if you could cover the Idaho four murders on FedEx.
I don't know if you heard of the case.
I have, I will cover it.
Don't worry.
Hey, Marin, will you ever cover the Idol Shooter?
Okay.
Yep.
Dance Productions.
Got you.
Yo, Mark, can you break down a little how you were able to land an internship in 2010?
Also, did you plan on doing the series on what you need in place to become an 1811 special agent?
I can't do that.
And Don, basically, I got the internship, guys.
I went through the co-op program at Northeastern University.
I got the internship with Homeland Security Investigations.
That's how I got on the job.
If Matrix does step three, what are we doing?
I'll wait till Rumble.
Okay.
That's from Jack Forrest.
And then Melly's boys tried robbing him and he got caught off guard.
There were shots/slash exit patterns from both ends of the car.
Snake shit happens often, sadly.
I mean, we don't know that, but I mean, from Issa, but regardless, they're going to look at it as premeditated murder because he took all those steps to conceal it, lie to the police, and come up with some kind of cover story shooting the vehicle, etc.
So that's why they're hitting him with premeditated murder, which is murder one.
So, oh, good.
We're caught up.
Did it?
Okay.
Go ahead.
What about you, bro?
You've been asking me all these questions.
Yeah, man.
Ask me whatever you want.
How do you enjoy your time in Florida?
Bro, I love it out here, man.
I'm trying to live out here.
This is amazing.
Yeah, I know.
It's just the weather is beautiful.
The people are lovely, kind people, friendly.
I don't know what it is because I feel like I always say to people, like, oh, Americans, especially in Florida, like, they're so friendly.
And they're like, no, they're not a friend.
I think it's my anime.
I mean, people treat me good with the accent.
Yeah, because they're like, okay, we got a British guy here.
We got to treat him well.
They rock with me, man.
I don't know.
They think I'm some sophisticated on some like Prince Harry shit.
Yeah.
But like, I don't know, bro.
It's just so nice, man.
I love it.
I love the weather.
There's a lot going on.
I'm recording with you.
I'm meeting new people.
Like, it's lit, man.
So, low-key, I kind of want to be out here.
What made you like, well, number one, what's your favorite video that you researched?
Oh, man, that's a great question.
My favorite video I researched.
The FPG Duck one was done really well, by the way.
Man, that's got to be one of my favorites.
I think a lot of the Chicago stuff.
Yeah, Chicago research is phenomenal, man.
Yeah, thank you, man.
I think for me, obviously, as we were saying earlier, it's kind of like the discipline that I've fallen into was just using all of these different ways to kind of research these stories, using clips from social media, using the song lyrics, using the music videos.
It's so interesting.
Like you say, like you said, with the Melly case, a lot of circumstantial evidence coming together to build a story, essentially, of what happened that day.
And I think for me, I just try and look at everything.
Like, if I'm covering an office, at least at the stage that I'm at now, I listen to basically damn near every song, every album, every mixtape that they've done.
And 691 was very good, too.
Thank you, man.
Yeah, we'll use those two for two of my broadcasts.
Those were fantastic.
I appreciate that, man.
Thank you.
Yeah, that's the thing.
It's like for me, it's like I'm deep in the game now.
I've watched a lot of stuff.
I've researched a lot of stuff.
If I listen to it, like the FPG Duck story, for example, I listen to all of Duck's music, all of Vaughn's music, read all the news articles.
And at a certain point, you begin to piece together a picture.
And then you start listening back to the songs and you're like, it's another clue.
Yep.
Another piece of info.
You look at all of the social media posts that that person did in their life.
And you're just like, it all connects.
And at a certain point, you're like, this shooting happened this day.
Oh, what did he post on Instagram the day after?
Oh, shit.
Even just a little comment that even just sort of alludes to some shit that happened.
Once you build these things into a timeline, you just begin to realize that, like, yo, this actually is the O. He literally was just, that was the music video was like duck.
Yeah.
And in the music video, I think there's a close-up shot of the phone ringing and it says duck.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
And then it's like, then you plot like at what point in his career was he making these songs.
And it's like, it wasn't that long after that that they actually caught that, caught duck and did that shit.
Yeah.
But another, uh, maybe my favorite, maybe my favorite video to research, the Jacksonville video that I did, the Who I Smug.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that was good too.
If you remember when that song, Who I Smoke, came out, it was huge because nobody could believe that those were real people.
It was like these guys on the golf course with the classical music, you know, they're hitting the golf balls and then the beat switches and saying, you know, what I see you want to do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's just like, that was crazy in itself.
Then when they started talking about who I smoke, BB, all these names.
Yeah.
Lil Nya.
Those are real people.
And for me, it was like the moment I was like.
Are those real people?
Most people that I knew at that time, when that song first came out, they're like, oh, no real people.
Whatever.
And I was just like, I wasn't even going to cover it.
But then I was like, let me just, let me just look up these names.
And then before I know it, I'm reading a bunch of articles.
And then I'm like, let me go listen to all of Fulio's music.
I'm hearing a bunch of other names.
And you know, it gets to a point where there's just like dozens and dozens of names.
And I think for me with that story, it was just like every time I heard a song, it was like five new bodies, honestly.
And, you know, I'm not trying to glorify it or glamorize it, but it was literally just a case of like, let me listen to Fulio's catalog.
And damn near every song I was uncovering a new murder, you know, and to me, that's what I'm saying.
And then he came out with When I See You, which was a response.
It's just funny how they took old songs, right?
Like Young and Ace took A Thousand Miles.
A thousand miles.
Vanessa Colton, that's it.
Right.
Yeah, Vanessa Carlton A Thousand Miles.
And they made a diss song out of it, you know, dissing dead ops.
And then Fulio took Fantasia when I see you, right?
And he did it in a graveyard.
Bro, and he had the pictures of the guys that died from the news.
Like, that was a, I don't know what copy shop he got.
Yeah, they, they might have to catch a stray for even pronouncing because that was fucked up.
Like, yo, like, and here's the thing, too, with like, and I guess we, this is where we could like transition to like the emergent, like the, the difference in hip-hop is like, when I was listening to hip-hop and, you know, the 90s and the 2000s, like, you know, you had this song, you know, right?
You look at like a Jay-Z takeover, R.O.C., we running this rap shit, right?
And then Nas, you know, got slung across the belly.
I'll prove you lost already, right?
It was very competitive.
It was, I'm better than you.
You're trash.
Eminem murdered you on your own shit, blah, blah, blah.
Right.
And Jay is talking about how Nas is a bum, all this shit.
So like, it was very competitive back then.
Now, it's not about being competitive.
It's about when I find you, I'm just going to kill you, bro.
I don't really care about competing about that.
I don't give a shit because lyrics don't necessarily have the same oomph that they used to have.
I remember like if someone was trash, right?
You would roast them for having shitty lyrics.
But I would say the era that changed everything was the early 2000s when Krunk became popular.
Right.
That was a good era, man.
That was fun.
I have no mixed feelings about it.
Oh, come on, John.
Yeah, see, this is my issue, right?
And people might get mad at me for saying this shit, but I'll say it anyway.
The Krunk era ushered in the watered down hip-hop that we have today.
And what I mean by this is what Krunk did was it made hip-hop where it's like, oh, this is music we can dance to.
This is music we can actually play at the club and party to, right?
So that kind of like was the stimuli from which we have the mumble rap that we have now, the, you know, the lean rap that we have now.
Like it's more about creating beats and having people party versus like lyrics, meaning, et cetera.
Like nowadays, if you're like a lyrical rapper, nobody gives a shit about you.
They're like, ah, who cares?
So it kind of, it kind of, how do I say this?
I don't want to say it's stupefied hip-hop, but it watered it down a bit to hit a lot of larger audience so that it can hit the clubs and hit the radios for more spins, which is cool.
It is what it is.
But if you look at music from, you know, the 90s and the 2000s, right?
When lyrics still mattered to today, there's a drastic difference.
Like it's the quality doesn't even come close.
And ever since early 2000s with Crunk, the South has taken it over.
They never gave it back to these coasts.
Little John, then you got T.I. blowing up, early 2000s.
Then you got all these artists coming out of Atlanta.
And then Florida made a big stand in 2008 with like DJ Khaled, Plies, et cetera.
And the big thing between the South, why I think the South took over over New York, and I'd like to get your opinion on this, is that the South actually worked together.
I remember Calla was uniting rappers all over the place, right?
He was uniting dudes like Wayne, Baby, Acon.
They were all doing Fat Joe, all these rappers working together.
Meanwhile, in New York, you got 50 Cent arguing with Cameron.
You got the diplomats breaking up.
You got Nas right having issues with certain rappers saying rap is dead.
Hip hop is dead.
So in New York, it's always been very, very competitive.
And artists don't really work together like that.
Everyone hates each other.
But when you come down to the South, they're like, oh, we're going to take over.
We're going to work together.
And Atlanta did that.
And Florida and Miami did, Florida did that.
Obviously, now you got more beefs in Atlanta because now Atlanta's taking over.
But when they were first coming up, they all worked together.
You know, welcome to Atlanta remix, where they had Ludacris on there, Jermaine Dupree, all these guys, right?
Nellie, everybody, the South worked together, and that's why they were able to take over hip-hop.
Bro, there's a lot of good music coming out of all corners of America, but yeah, the South really dominated.
I mean, that period when Atlanta became the Hollywood of rap, I guess you could say.
Like, I mean, it's ridiculous the amount of artists that came out of there.
In 2004, they took off like Outcast.
But I guess the interesting thing is that it's almost like, like you say, with Crunk, I mean, I love, I mean, I haven't, I love Crunk, but like back then, but you're right.
I don't know whether I'd say stupefied it, but it made it simpler.
It made the music more of like an emotional response experience rather than you, you didn't have to think.
Yeah, it was just a feeling.
Like, you know, some of those old David Banner crunk songs when it's just like, he's just got a song where it's just like, like in the classic, like again, classic, or like the one, I can't remember the name of the song, but he's in the club fighting.
It might just be called KO, and I can't say the lyrics because there's a few N-words in there, but like, just saying, we're going out.
Like, just, it's literally, it's like, it's just like, this is a song I'm going to go try to remember.
I could play it afterwards.
But if you buck.
Yo, they play that shit.
You believe, bro.
Yo, you get the hell out of the club as soon as they play that shit.
You know?
And then also dance music, right?
You had Soldier Boy with the U-Aw!
Yeah.
And then, you know, Crank That, right?
Crank that.
Yeah.
Crank That was another one.
Yeah.
You know, like all like the emergence of like dance songs, you know, INF scared.
Yeah, INF scared.
Like, yo, that's like that.
This is what like moved hip-hop more to like the front lines where they're playing it at the clubs, like, because there was a lot of dance music.
But in a way, though, I feel like it opened up hip-hop in more of a way as like it made it more commercial.
Because let's be real, a lot of whilst a lot of big artists came out of the East Coast.
I mean, you know, Jay-Z, Nas, like some of the biggest artists that we've seen, 50 Cent, maybe 50 Cent kind of helps, but it's almost like no one's throwing on an old Jay-Z.
No one's throwing on Illmatic in the club.
It's just not happening.
No, hell no.
But like, you could still throw on some of these crunk songs that would go off in a club.
What's your favorite song on Phil Matic?
My favorite song on Phil Manic.
Man, represents a good one.
There's so many good ones.
New York State of Mind.
New York State of Mine is my favorite.
Oh, that one's so good.
I thought the beat's crazy.
DJ Premiere on the beat, man.
Oh, Ilmatic's just Illmatic's a perfect album.
Yeah.
Ilmac's a perfect album.
Life's a bitch.
Life's a bitch is a good one.
Life's a bitch and then you die.
That's why they get high.
Because you never know when you're going to.
But it's like poetry.
Like those, those each of those songs, it's like, I mean, literally that song, Life's a Bitch.
Like, bro, that's like, we've all felt that, you know what I mean?
And that life is fucking like that sometimes.
And it's like, that is music that makes you think, but you could never play it in a club.
But in a way, these songs, you know, like a pimp, just fucking, just throw it on in the club.
It's just, I want to see girls.
I want to see us shaking.
Yeah.
I don't give a shit about the complexities of living in the projects in New York.
In a way, I feel like that music has so much value.
And I feel like that, you know, Atlanta, it's a lot of it's like mood music.
I mean, you even think about people like Outcast or even like, you know, when like he had Andre 3000 doing songs like Hey Ya, it's a dumb song, but then it touched so many people because it was just a feeling, like that feeling, positive vibe music.
And, you know, I feel like that was always what Atlanta was good at.
And in a way, I think it's almost like you had so many artists come out of the Atlanta, like people like the Migos, but the music is kind of dumb, and it's just, but it's like a vibe.
It's just like trapping, riding in your car, trapping, trapping.
It's just all about the sound.
In a way, it's almost like it doesn't really matter what the single is the ad libs.
It's a vibe.
Yeah, like, yo, the original ad liver was fucking Young Jeezy.
You sell you Adlib everything.
You know what I mean?
You look good.
Like, that was an original ad liber.
Him and Jim Jones, bro, ad lib everything, you know?
Classic.
But, and then obviously, I think Reasonable Doubt was probably Reasonable Doubt and the Blueprint are Jay-Z's two best albums, in my opinion.
My favorite on Blueprint is Renegade Minem.
And then on Reasonable Doubt, I think I like Feeling It and then Dead Presidents.
Yeah, which is a good one.
Nas on that, right?
Which I think that was a part of the reason too.
You know what?
I'm going to go out.
I reasonable doubt.
A couple good songs, not like Illmatic shits all over Reasonable Doubt in my mind.
Yeah, it does.
Reasonable doubt.
It's like Jay-Z.
Well, actually, nine because you don't even count that.
Back then, guys, right back in our day, the first song almost always was a skit.
It wasn't a song.
And then Dr. Dre's Chronic was actually a fantastic album, too.
Yeah, 2001's a great album as well.
Dr. Dre, you know, for the for men, remember all those years where it's like Dr. Dre's going to drop detox, new album coming in.
It never came.
But I've got to say, Dr. Dre'll never be able to replicate that sound, dude.
No, no way.
But he's done so well.
He's left a lot of gaps between his albums.
And when he does drop an album, it perfectly encapsulates that era.
Like the chronic, so different from 2001, because that was like the era when he discovered MM.
He's got a few MM verses on the album.
He's got Zibit.
He's got all these different West Coast people.
They just capture these perfect little moments.
And it's kind of past its time, but even that album he did for the Straight Out of Compton soundtrack, it was almost like captured this more new school flavor of LA.
And it was just like, man, Dre's just a genius, bro.
The amount of careers that he's touched and the amount of like the role he's played in hip-hop, man.
Yeah, I never looked at him as like a top-tier rapper or artist.
I always looked at him as like a behind-the-scenes producer that just creates hits.
He had a lot of writers working for him too, right?
So it was almost like, in a way, people never really gave Dre the respect as a rapper.
Yeah, because it was sort of that whole thing of like, does he write his own stuff?
He's like, he's like, I would put him like, I mean, obviously he's does laps around him, but I would put him in like the same category as like a Jermaine Dupree, Timberland, like these guys that like, you know, are responsible for a lot of the artists that you've come to like learn and love.
I'm not saying they're on the same level with Dre, obviously.
Eclipse is all of them, but those are guys that rapped, but they weren't necessarily, but they were behind the scenes, like making shit happen, right?
Like Jermaine Dupree, you wouldn't have a Bow Wow without him, man.
Like people could talk as much shit as they want about Bow Wow and Jermaine Dupree, but like he you wouldn't have all those hit songs from the early 2000s without him.
So, but yeah, I mean, and I mean, I don't even know if Timberland still does stuff, but yeah, just Timberland was like critical for like merging like pop and hip-hop.
You know, I still to this day, I think AL technology was like a very first of its kind.
Yeah, yeah.
Timbled and you got a gangster rapper doing a song with a top pop artist on a song, and it actually sounds really good.
And he was 50 Cent was one of the first to really like do that.
And I thought it was like a really good song.
And people don't give 50 Cent enough credit to talk a shit about him.
But if you go back to that era when 50 Cent was popping, like in the club, and going back to what you were saying earlier about music that is just about the feeling and it's dumb, in a way, it's like in the club was like the perfect, the perfect balance between it's just a dumb in the club, about a football to me.
But then also it's like, but then it's 50, the Dre beat is just hitting so hard.
Of course, he's a gangster in the music video.
It's like they're bringing him back to life from being shot.
It's like you couldn't escape that song in 2001 two or three.
You could not escape it, bro.
You could not escape that song, dude.
It was everywhere, I remember.
But it's like, when you think about successful rap songs, I feel like the, you know, the greatest songs that are successful commercially, I feel like they're the songs that are so broad and maybe dumb, but simple to the point of just like 50 Cent in the club.
We've all been in the club.
Yeah.
We've all been there in the club.
And that song is literally, you put that song on and it's like, yes, I feel like in your brain, you're like, I'm in the club.
Yeah.
And it's like the value of creating a song that simple.
I mean, it's even like, you know, you've got songs like, I mean, like, was it Usher?
Yeah.
Yeah.
The song is called.
Yeah, Lil John.
We've all been in that feeling when you're like, you know, you're hitting the club, the beat starts, and you're like, yeah, like, this is my moment to say yeah and fucking get into some shit.
And I think those simple songs that really just capture human emotion at their rawest level, they're dumb songs, but they end up being the most successful songs because they just speak to people on a level beyond language.
Sure, we can throw on a Jay-Z, you know, 150-bar, hard, deep, introspective rap, but that's not going to move you as much as in the club.
Literally changes your emotional state as soon as you hear it.
Of course.
And I think I got to give little Wayne credit too.
I didn't mention him.
He was one of the few rappers that kind of like made that people take the South seriously because, um, oh, Dallas South rappers are stupid, blah, blah, blah.
Wayne was like, no, we could rap too.
And he definitely, I mean, if you look at like all the drop mixtapes, you look at his, I can't believe he never released that album, I can't feel my face with Joel Santana.
I wanted to hear that album so bad.
So they had a couple songs off at least, right?
And it was hard.
Yeah.
My favorite song out for that one is Step Into The Damn it.
I can't.
It's called The Dark Side, I think.
I can't remember the exact song.
I'm trying to remember the name of the song.
He goes, damn it.
Someone is stepping to the bad side, I think, is what it is.
Someone in the chat's going to know it.
With that mixtape, I can't feel my face, but he was, but it was what Wayne.
That was great.
They never released that, though.
They had a bunch of bangers on there.
I think Wayne is probably my, he's definitely mine.
He, I feel like he's the greatest rapper of all time.
And I think the way he was amazing is that he could do both.
He could make songs that were just like a party hit.
But then when you drilled into the lyrics, like, for example, Lollipop, okay?
It's a sexually charged song.
She's so like, he's so sweet.
She wants to lick the rapper.
And it's like, it's, it's like, it's a club song.
You don't, if you don't listen to the lyrics, it's still a sexy strip club kind of song.
But then when you actually listen to what he's saying, she wants to lick the rapper.
Double meaning double entendre with the, it's like a candy.
She wants to lick him.
And then it's like, but who's in the club?
And his singing, auto-tune rapping is on point.
Bro, he's the guy that can do it all.
I think Wayne is the goat.
And he's got so many songs in his catalogue.
I mean, even Amillie, right?
The song Amillie, it doesn't even have a chorus.
It's just Amilli, Amillie.
And it's just a song.
He's just sort of freestyling all these different things.
But the song, it's like about success.
It's about making a millie, being a millionaire.
And it's just like, bro, this guy, he doesn't even write shit down off the top of his head.
Just created these songs that could communicate a feeling, but then also the lyrics were deep and always on point, bro.
I think Wayne's the goat.
Yeah, okay.
You can make an argument for him being greatest of all time.
My favorite song, man, there's so many, I like all his mixtape stuff.
I mean, he did the upgrade you freestyle off the Destiny's Child.
He used the sky's the limit.
Went on there.
You know, probably in the probably in the ocean swimming with the pigeons or probably in the ocean.
Fuck.
See, my world is different.
Like Dwayne Wade.
And if you want trouble, bitch, I want the same thing.
Okay.
And then I'm trying to remember the lyrics.
And then the other thing, too, that I really liked was the only thing on the mind of a shark is eat by any means.
And you just sardines.
I got that.
40k.
Yeah.
You said I'm talking about even the dumbest parts, like real G's moving silence, like lasagna.
Yeah, like just crazy shit like that.
He's just in there smoking a blunt coming up with this in the booth, bro.
The guy's brain is just incredible.
And it's always hard.
100%.
And I know a lot of y'all.
Oh, Drake on up.
Here's my thing.
I don't think I've ever shared this on air.
I'll share it.
Drake.
Yeah.
The reason why I will acknowledge that Drake is a musical genius.
He's going to go down in history as one of the best rappers to ever fucking do it.
I'm not going to take anything away from his accolades.
But the thing I dislike about Drake is that Drake has ushered in this pussy era of men that we have today.
He is the soundtrack to these soy boys that we currently have in modern day society.
He made it okay to cry over girls, to be a simp.
Oh, why don't you return my text?
All this other stuff.
So it's not necessarily that I don't think Drake is a fantastic artist.
I still think to this day, Think Me Later is one of the best albums I've ever heard, his first album.
However, I don't like the cultural implications of his music.
So that's why I don't necessarily listen to it.
And I'm not that much of a fan because I think it's soft.
But I think also a lot of his music is for girls.
It's actually for women because it's not, I think it's not about teaching men to cry over girls.
It's about a song for women to imagine a guy crying over them.
You know what I mean?
Yes.
Drake is a big reason why girls run around and say be vulnerable to me because it sounds good and you would accept that vulnerability from Drake, but you would not accept it from your boyfriend who works at McDonald's.
But they think they will.
And Drake is basically fooled both men and women.
I get it, right?
Because for him, it's like, oh, I'm going to make the money and I got to go ahead with the emotions to do it, which is cool.
And he's appealing to both men and women.
He tells guys it's okay to be a soft bitch.
And then he tells the girls, it's okay for me to simp on you, right?
And girls think that they deserve this entitlement of men simping on them.
But I just don't like how Drake ushered in this whole era of dudes being pussies, right?
And being soft.
Meanwhile, you got back in early 2000s, I make a real like a better, you know, they're degraded chicks all over the place and shit like that in the early 2000s.
But yeah, I mean, it is what it is.
So do you just never allow yourself to be vulnerable like that?
I just don't like music that's like soft, man.
This is why to this day, like modern day hip-hop.
Oh, Mark, what do you listen to now?
I listen to New York Drill a lot if I'm going to listen to hip-hop.
Honestly, that's that gym music.
Yeah, you know, I'm listening to 22G's.
I'm listening to Coach the Ghost.
Oh, we didn't get to talk about that yet.
Yeah, yeah.
Is there an update on his case?
I've not been following it, but he's in a jam.
Honestly, I got the indictment.
We could pull it up if you want, but like, but he basically is facing a federal firearms case.
Damn.
Him and who's the second?
I've forgotten the name.
The blind skin guy.
I've forgotten.
You know, I've been out of the New York scene for a bit, so I'm a bit rusty on the New York stuff right now.
Yeah.
But I'm big.
And then 22 got arrested too for attempted murder, and he got out recently.
But yeah, I like it.
He's one of the hardest, man.
22G's, I think he's, even though he's big, I think he's underrated because his music is so good.
He so consistently hits with his music.
Like, bro, some of those songs and the beats that he chooses.
Next level.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All GD rappers are like blackballed, bro.
It's, it's fucking, it is what it is.
Like, you know, Coach the Ghost, 22G's, et cetera.
Like, they're blackballed.
And the crazy part is, is, like, I'll listen to a 22G song and then I'll put on some Pop Smoke right after.
And I'll just go back and forth.
I'll put on some coach and then I'll put on some Favio.
Like, I like both camps.
Like, I think they're both great.
But, you know, it's just sad because, you know, they're literally like, you know, they see each other.
It's like on site.
There's so many politics, man.
It's a shame because the music coming out of both sides is so good.
And it's just like, bro, there's just so much to be gained.
But at the same time, bro, the Pulse.
If you like Pop Smoke, there's no way you're not going to like 22G's.
If you like Kay Flock, there's no way you're not going to like Coach the Ghost.
It's very similar.
I know Bronx School is a little bit different.
They use more, they don't use the UK drill beats as much.
They use more like samples of old songs, et cetera.
But it's all very similar.
And with Kay Flock, by the way, too, I think he has a good chance of getting out.
He's a rapper that I don't think is fucked that bad.
It's looking better for him.
Yeah.
It's definitely looking better for him.
But you know what?
It's just like...
The dude had a gun.
The dude had a gun that he shot and killed.
And I broke this down on my thing if you guys want to go check it.
But in the surveillance footage, you can see the guy reaching kind of into his thing like this, walking up to Kay Flock.
And, you know, a reasonable person would suspect, like, yo, this guy's trying to kill me.
Bam, I just shot him.
But I think the thing that they might get K-Flock on is the firearm possession because New York has really strict gun laws.
And I'm not sure if he's a felon.
Man, I can't remember.
I can't remember, but obviously, you know, he was into a lot of problems.
He was on social media running around saying he was chasing for ops.
So they might try and make an example out of him.
Yeah.
And it's like, bro, he was so talented.
I mean, he's so talented.
It's one of those things where it's like, if he gets out, he'll be like the new King Vaughan.
He'll be releasing album after album.
It'll be crazy.
Yeah.
Or, you know, they'll hit him with whatever they can.
He'll be stuck in.
It'll be another Push Icy.
We won't hear from him.
And it'll just be, you know, the next person will come through.
I mean, I don't even know.
I can't believe that Push Icy case.
I broke that one down too.
Yeah.
Bro.
Like, he literally.
All right.
This is how bad the Push Icy case was.
He literally wanted sneakers and weed.
He hits this guy up, right?
I want sneakers.
I'll get you another one.
I want sneakers and weed, right?
He meets the guy.
He has exotic rental cars.
Dude gets in the car.
He pulls out a Draco, points at him, hey, leave the sneakers and the weed there.
Right?
And the fuck guy's like, wait, what?
So, and mind you, he had like 40, 50K in cash with him at the time.
Just buy this.
Just buy the sneakers away, bro.
It was like some Jordans, right?
And the dude that he robbed rented up the cars.
I didn't know that detail.
Yeah.
Jesus.
So, so, uh, so, so, and, and also, they committed the robbery, like the police station was down the street.
It's like across the street.
And it was all on CCTV.
So, so they fucking, he's like, no, blah, blah, blah.
Shootout ensues.
He shoots at the guy, hits him in the ass, and hits another guy, and they flee off.
When he runs off, they dropped a backpack that has like 40k cash in it.
They were able to trace the serial bills of the $100 bills to, you know, how he likes to fan out the cash.
Money challenge.
He was doing the money thing.
He likes to fan out those bills.
Well, that didn't work out too well because he had an Instagram post with that money, with that same bag, like fanning it out like this.
They were able to see the serial numbers on there, trace it back to the scene, the surveillance footage, the witnesses, etc.
Bro, he could have just paid for it and not got in trouble.
And then, boom, since he wanted to go ahead and rob a guy, right, at gunpoint, and it was in the middle of a drug trafficking, I guess a drug trafficking offense, they were able to hit him federally with drug trafficking while possession of a firearm.
And they hit him with the Hobbs Act burglary or robbery because he robbed them violently.
Bro, he was genuinely too shysty for his own good.
Like, literally, one of the biggest L's I've ever heard.
Back in Buddh was the biggest song in the country for a minute.
It was everywhere.
Yeah.
It was everywhere.
And like, bro, he was in line to be one of the big dudes, one of the proper big dudes.
And it was just over like that.
And I guess that's one of these.
That's a case of he was really from the streets.
He got famous too quickly and just didn't have time to adjust.
There was really no way of him not shooting people, basically.
He was just shooting.
It perplexes me because he had the money to buy it.
And the other thing, too, that made the case federal that a lot of people don't know because the FBI actually went and got him.
I read the criminal complaint.
The thing that made it federal was the guy that he rented the car from and was trying to buy the sneakers from was had an online business.
So like since he had tried to do the transaction through the internet that affected interstate commerce, that kind of allowed the feds to kind of come in as well.
And then also the fact that he was committing a drug, he's a drug trafficking offense while in the possession of firearm.
That's automatic, like federal felony.
Bro, I mean, it really is like one of hip-hop's great L's.
Yeah.
He fucked that up.
And it's also, it's like, he was young as hell.
What was he like?
20?
He's like 21, 22?
Bro, and it's like all the world's eyes are on you.
You've built up this reputation of a shysty dude.
You're a real dude from the streets.
You're a real shooter.
But, bro, like, threw it all away, bro.
He had the opportunity of a lifetime, man.
It's actually tragic.
It's dumb.
Everybody at 1017 is Big Scar passed away, right?
Overdose.
Bro, he was fired man.
I was defeated him.
Really big fan of him.
And then, oh, shout out to Chris.
Appreciate it.
Chris, can I get a monster too?
And then, right.
So you had Big Scar, right?
He just passed away.
You had the other guy, I forget his name, but he's in jail.
Fujiano.
Fujiano.
Yep.
He cut the bracelet off and he's in jail.
Push Icy, jail.
Who else in 1079?
Hasn't he got another one?
Hasn't he just had an artist get a case or something recently?
Like very recently, like past gold.
I don't know.
Someone in the chat's going to put it.
Yeah, let us know.
Someone in the chat is going to put it.
But yeah, man, it's crazy, bro.
What's going on with all that stuff?
And then the Young Dolph situation, too, which I'm going to cover that as well.
Bro, what's your thoughts on that?
I was a huge, I mean, a huge fan of Young Dolph, man.
I mean, I covered his, before he passed away, I covered his beef with Yogoti pretty extensively.
You know, years of back and forth in between those two.
I mean, obviously there's still a lot going on.
case hasn't actually like gone through with oh it's still gone the dolph yeah it's still going on christina went to memphis no way and uncovered some stuff i'll tell you some stuff off camera oh hell it's still very active dude bro it's just tragic bro obviously i mean for me right like you know i i'm i'm on the internet i see the footage the footage of him like you know laid out in a store people filming it's just tragic bro because he really was like a once-in-a-generation artist bro his catalogue is amazing he was a great rapper his music so motivational just fire He just didn't deserve that.
And he never struck me as one of the sorts of dudes that, I mean, I guess, you know, like, you know, he's got his tour bus shot up and stuff.
and yeah they were gunning for him yeah but at the same time like i just didn't feel like i don't know bro It just caught me off guard.
Maybe that's being naive, but like, bro, just so many good artists, bro.
I mean, I was the biggest Pop Smoke fan as well.
Like, you know, Pop Smoke dying suddenly.
I remember I was in the car.
My friend told me, oh, Pop Smoke killed in a home invasion.
I was just like, what?
I was just like, what the fuck?
Like, bro, like, I'm just listening to him.
Yep.
And like, Pop Smoke is why I don't do Airbnbs anymore.
Hell no, bro.
Fuck Airbnbs.
If you're like a somebody, bro, you can't do Airbnbs, man.
Fuck that shit.
Hotels, dude.
Only.
Well, that's the thing because, you know, obviously, apparently a picture was taken in front of the Airbnb, but I've seen other stuff that suggests that they were hitting up Airbnbs and it happened to be that Airbnb.
And he also, he got some, I think he got some designer delivered to him and the address was in the picture.
And they were able to see that.
And yo, LA is crazy, bro.
Like, I'll be honest.
I don't like Los Angeles like that, man.
Like, anytime we go out there, we go in and get the hell out, man.
It's extremely dangerous.
It's run by gang culture.
Yeah.
Right?
Like, if you don't know the right people, is, yeah, man.
I'm good.
I prefer Miami, bro.
For sure.
And then again, Miami school.
I don't know if you, I think I sent it to you on Reddit.
There's a new subreddit, My Rack, which is basically the Chyracology of Miami.
Oh, okay.
Oh, yeah.
He just sent me that.
There's a whole street scene going on here.
There is.
I hope it doesn't turn out like LA.
There is actually.
There is.
Yeah.
Especially with Broward County.
Broward County is not sweet, man.
For real.
Yeah.
A lot of the girls that come on the show that'd be active ratchet, they'd be from Broward County, bro.
They're not from Brown.
Really?
Yeah, Chris, you know what I'm talking about.
Facts.
Yeah, Pompano Beach and shit.
Like, nah, man, I'm good.
Oh, that's where Kodak's from, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Which is crazy because they have one of the biggest Brazilian populations.
Very diverse town or city.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Yeah, man.
I don't think that, but I'm not trying to get into any of those sort of problems out here.
Yeah.
And they also have an immigration facility over there, too.
I used to go there all the time when I was an agent because, like, anytime someone would be held for immigration purposes, I wanted to try to get an informant.
I go over there.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Okay.
So you go over there, you sort of scoop up a little informant.
Yeah, so you can, man.
Hey, bro, you don't want to get deported?
I know you're involved with this crook.
Hey, what time is it?
Damn.
That's the wave.
That's the wave, man.
It's actually a really strong incentive to get people to cooperate with you.
Is, oh, you're going to get deported back to your country.
You haven't been there since you were two years old, bro.
What do you want to do?
I hear people saying some shit about that's how the 21 Savage stuck around in the country, but I definitely might be capped.
I think I might be capped.
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, with him, he might have a case because he was here since he was a child.
But immigration proceedings take forever, dude.
Like, it's because it's not criminal.
It's administrative.
And a lot of the times, you know, you get bonded, right?
Because they don't want to hold you in immigration jail.
It's very expensive.
Right.
So, you know, those things take years sometimes.
Which you're looking at it like, oh, who gives a fuck?
I'm good.
I'm just chill.
Bro, like, I feel like, I mean, America is the land of money kind of fixing all the problems.
When that whole thing happened with 21 Savage's immigration, I just thought like, man, he surely's just got to get a top immigration lawyer.
Yeah.
Secure the bag.
They're just sort of the paperwork.
But I don't know.
Maybe it's, I feel like becoming an American citizen or getting American paperwork is pretty tough.
Yeah, he has some arrests, so I don't know if he'll be able to get natural.
I mean, it's strange.
I mean, immigration is the biggest reason why I said the Tori Lane's case is a big deal.
It's not because he's going to do a lot of time.
It's because he's going to get absolutely get deported after this.
Yeah, we're going to ship him back like Shine.
100%.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Sean did get deported.
Yeah, yeah, man.
Yeah, but he landed on his feet, though.
It's like dad's like the prime minister or some shit.
Yeah, he's chilling in believes.
And I think Diddy to this day still takes care of him financially.
I hope so.
Yeah, somewhere I don't know where I heard it, but like Diddy does right by him.
Because to be honest, it should be Diddy that went to jail, bro.
We all know that.
You know, they had like J-Lo in the car.
Yeah, like that.
Bro, that was a crazy story.
Yeah, bro.
Like, Sean definitely took that gun charge for Diddy, bro.
1,000%.
Everybody knows that Diddy was involved in that shit as well.
That's a real one right there.
Yeah.
He only was Shine on the team.
10, 15 years, something wild like that.
But the interesting thing is, like, before that kicked off, Shine was the next biggie.
Like, you know, he had the...
Yes, he was.
He had a voice voice.
And he was Diddy's eyes.
They were saying he was the next Diddy.
And then literally in a heartbeat, bro.
Go on shit switched.
Jail.
Yep.
He definitely, that was a whole other thing.
And then what about YSL, man?
What's your thoughts on that?
Bro, he's cooked.
Yeah.
He's looking cooked.
Yeah, it's not good.
Here's the thing.
300 witnesses?
Bro, is that how many there are?
That's what they said.
It's probably exaggerated, but it might be 100, though.
Bro, that's like a sports game, 300 witnesses.
That's a whole crowd.
That's not witnesses.
That's literally a crowd.
Bro, the fuck.
Yo, man.
Bro, here's the thing.
I was talking to somebody about this before I came here today.
The craziest thing about the Thug case, right?
Because I covered this before he got locked up.
Back in 2015, when the alleged, you know, the murder from the indictment happened, he, Thug wasn't really rapping as much about street shit.
Like, I went back and listened to a lot of his old music.
He's talking about Arma Stoner.
Like, it's not so much about street stuff, not so much about sliding.
And it seemed like he, allegedly, got away with his involvement in this murder or whatever.
And then just got brazen.
And as the years went by, we're talking 2016, 17, he's getting bigger in the industry.
It's only as he got more successful that it seemed like he started rapping about, you know, we shot at this guy's mom.
He's got artists that are rapping about, oh, we killed your OG, like all this stuff.
And it's like, as he's getting more and more successful, more and more brazen, you know, I'm sure that he got to the point, you know, 2021, and he's just like, he probably forgot he even was involved in that shit.
You know, the legend.
Dude, I looked at the indictment.
They were looking at him since 2013, dude.
That's incredible.
That's the thing, you know, in my video that I covered on it, it's like before they were YSL, they were the rock, the rock crew, the, the, what are they called, like, rocking on Cleveland or something.
Yeah, yeah, that's where he's from, the Cleveland.
Cleveland Avenue.
And it's like, you know, there was a big, I think in 2011, there was a big indictment on the Cleveland Avenue gang, right?
And it was like, just, bro, like, how do you, obviously, it's hard for me to comprehend because I haven't been in those street situations.
I'll throw my hands up and say, you know, it's hard for me to comprehend what it's like when you're actually born into an area to a situation where you're being enticed into gangs.
But I just feel like, at least for Thug, it was, and I even expressed this in my video.
It hit a certain point where it's just like, you got to leave that behind and focus on the music.
He was in the industry, big artist, you know.
Like I say, there's that footage of him with Nut, the guy that got killed and Birdman on a yacht.
Like, yo, this is Nut.
He's one of the biggest bloods in America.
And you think, bro, you're already on the yacht.
Like, how are you getting all twisted into the dirt and people are dying?
And then you'll, you know, it's coming back to get you like seven years after the fact.
It's just like, bro, like, how that murder is what sparked everything.
The murder of Peanut in 2015 is what sparked the fight with YFN and everything else like that.
And then also, I don't know if people know this, like they got Thug is the dude that ordered Little Bay, Lil Wayne's tour bus to get shot at.
Man, that's another crazy story, you know.
But then that's that's like starts implicating, you know, you've got kind of birdman in the mix and shit.
And it's just kind of like, bro, this, this stuff gets twisted.
But I think they want Thug hard.
They want to make an example out of Thug.
100%.
And you can tell Thug spent years flexing on the Atlanta police.
They hated him, bro.
He was flexing private jets, driving crazy nice cars, like just being a menace to the community.
They want to put him away for sure.
It's personal.
Yep.
For sure.
Yeah, that DA.
And the other thing, too, is that the district attorney that got sworn in, she was real big on like, I'm going to clean up the streets.
And, you know, this is how they want to do it.
They want to go after all these Atlantic gangs, to be honest with you.
They've been saying for a while, like, oh, Lil Baby's next, FPF's next.
And it's just like, man.
And you think about the level that he's got.
I would say Lil Baby, has he surpassed Thug?
I don't know if maybe you could say that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And popularity, you mean?
Yeah.
Little Baby to me nowadays is like the modern day Wayne.
Like as far as like being everywhere and like getting on any song and like he did like the World Cup anthem and shit.
Like it's just still being like, yeah, still, I mean, I don't know if he has the same takeover effect as Wayne did back in like 2008, 2010-ish, but he's definitely doing what Wayne did back then, where he's like jumping on everybody's song, giving a verse.
He's still lyrically sound, et cetera.
So Wayne reminds Lil Baby right now reminds me of Wayne and like, oh, wait, but I think Wayne did it better.
Well, I think this thing about Baby is it's like he's street, but he still has a lot of commercial appeal.
Whereas I feel like Thug, he had a few big songs.
I mean, his biggest song was the feature he did on that Camilla Cabello song, Havana, right?
Which is like very out of character for Thug.
He didn't want to do the song.
But I feel like Baby's just got more of that street, but works for commercial appeal.
Whereas Thug, you know, he was just like the sort of street weirdo that had some commercial hits.
Well, street stuff has made a comeback.
Yeah.
And it used to be, I remember like, you know, 04 to like 2008, 2010, like that street shit wasn't like, yeah, it was like more club music, et cetera.
Like, I mean, hell, even into the 2010s, if you think about it, like street rap wasn't like a thing like that.
You had the Kendrick Lamars, like, you know, in that era, the Big Sean's, whatever, like, these guys are the ones that like took over in the early 2010s.
I wouldn't consider them street artists.
I feel like there was a big shift when it was sort of like you had Kanye coming through and then he kind of like, he duked it out with 50 Cent.
And 50 Cent was almost like the 50 Cent wave was sort of that, that sort of last echo of the street rap.
It was like, oh, he got shot nine times.
He made it through.
He kind of made it a bit more commercial.
And then it was sort of like Kanye took over.
They had their battle.
And then like you say, you know, bringing through people like Big Sean and stuff.
Yeah, but it's like man, I this is my theory.
I know I know a lot of people disagree with me.
This is quite controversial theory, but I think ironically, it was 6ix9ine that brought real gangster rap back.
Because before he was a snitch, basically, him being the rainbow head guy, but he was a real blood, and they were really shooting at people and they were going to pop Chief Keith.
Like, obviously, Chicago drill was a huge wave, but it didn't go completely mainstream.
Like, you couldn't say Chief Keith was a mainstream artist, yeah, really.
But, like, you know, now that Dirk is in 2012, he broke into the mainstream and like he exposed the world to Chicago drill.
But it kind of like dimmed at that point.
But the funny thing is, it took Kanye putting him on the I Don't Like remix to bring Chief Keith to everyone, right?
Yeah, so then it was like, but Chief Keith was never a mainstream artist, whereas now, street music is number one.
Lil Dirk is right at the top of the charts.
When Dirk did that song with Drake, that was sort of the moment where everyone was like, oh, he's from the wreck, but he is, you know, I think that was a number two billboard here.
So you would say you, so you think Dirk did more for Chicago than Keith in the mainstream, yes.
You think so?
Chief Keith's the pioneer, but I feel like Dirk is like he's like the 50 cent of Chicago drill.
You know what I mean?
You know, that's a good argument.
Um, because I remember when Keith blew up, I was in college, and that's when I, because here's the thing: so I stopped listening to hip-hop in like 2009 because I started to get angry with all the watered down stuff.
And Drake was starting to take over.
I was never offended.
Drake's era was like 09, even to this day, but this is when he started to pop off.
I stopped listening to hip-hop.
I was big into EDM.
What made me come back to hip-hop was Chief Keith in 2012 when I heard I don't like.
I was like, finally, we got some fucking like, you know, aggressive music again instead of this other stuff.
Because no offense, I know some of y'all might get mad about this, but I didn't really like Kendrick Lamar like that.
I didn't care about Big Sean.
I didn't listen to any of these artists, bro.
Like, I was like, if I want to listen to that type of shit, I'm going to go listen to Eminem.
You know what I mean?
I think Eminem is the real deal.
You want to listen to lyrics?
Go to Eminem, right?
Or I would listen to Nas, I'll listen to Jay-Z.
So, and I know a lot of people, oh, I love J. Cole, whatever.
I don't listen to none of them.
Sorry, guys.
I'm too old.
Right.
And then Chief Keith brought me back in because I liked it, because I liked that drill stuff.
Then I, you know, I was not listening to that stuff for a bit.
And then you're right, bro.
I mean, I ain't gonna lie, 6ix9ine brought me back to New York hip-hop too.
People can talk shit about 6ix9ine, but yeah, before, but he was making bangers.
I mean, Billy, Kuda, all of his songs that came out like in 2017, 2018, he was on a roll, bro.
Song after song.
Oh, Bobby Shimurta, too.
Bobby Smurda brought me to him.
But it was short-lived.
It was short-lived.
He was too real.
Like, yeah, Chief Keith brought me in 2012.
Bobby Shmurda came out in 2014.
I started listening to hip-hop again.
He got locked up immediately.
They didn't wait long.
He was in jail like a year later, right?
Him and Rowdy.
And then I didn't make a return to hip-hop again until you know what, bro?
That's a good point.
People hate 6ix9ine, but yo, he did bring the gangster shit back.
He did bring it back.
And I feel like he kind of peeps what worked for Bobby Schmurder.
And then he was like, I'm just going to build this persona and do this, even though I'm not really a blood.
And it just all worked.
And then it was ironic because it felt like then he was beefing with Dirk.
I mean, he was on IG Live diss in FBG Duck.
I think ironically, his fake blood persona, and the songs were genuinely good, brought more shine back to the real gangsters he was beefing with, saying he was going to shoot at Chief Keith, gonna fucking beef with you.
All this stuff.
Because he went after all the drill artists that cemented their legacy before him.
He did.
And then I think the funny thing is when he got his case, which was huge news, and then when he got exposed as a snitch, then everybody gravitated towards the real dudes.
And then when you got to 2018, it was all King Vaughn era because Vaughn was speaking with 6ix9ine for a little bit when 6ix9ine was out.
But then all the attention shifted to Vaughn, young boy, real gangsters making commercial music.
I was only thinking it's changed since then.
Yeah.
You know, you're right, dude, because people forget as much as people talk shit about, and I know some of y'all are saying, like, Kendrick and J. Cole in the chat or whatever.
Yeah, guys, I didn't listen to that whole era of rap.
I mean, I don't, I sorry, like from the 2010s, I didn't really listen to those guys.
I'm sure they're great artists, but I don't know enough.
That like that whole area is blank for me.
I was too busy listening to EDM back then.
TF Story.
Yeah, I love EDM too.
But anyway, with 6ix9ine, when he came back out, when he came out with the stuff, people forget, right?
They want to call him a snitch, all that other stuff.
If you go back to his music videos, everybody that he was around was verified.
You know, he was there with Mel Murder.
He was there with like high-level five-star bloods.
Like he was, that's why people really, that's why I used to talk the way he did because he was around the top dudes in New York City when it came to the bloods and the Billies.
So, and on top of that, like New York is not like LA or a lot of these other places.
In New York, they have alliances.
Like, there's bloods and crips.
They go fight other bloods, right?
So in New York, it was all about neighborhoods, right?
That's why you look at the Wu and shit, right?
Pop was a crip, but there was he bunch of had a bunch of friends that were bloods, and they went after the GDs.
They aligned.
So the gang life in New York is a lot different than in California.
It's like certain sets deal with certain sets regardless of fly color just because of who they represent more neighborhoods.
So yeah, 6ix9ine definitely put the light back on Newark for New York drill, which opened it up right for people like Tutu G's ghost.
And Pop Smoke obviously was popping too at this point.
Well, no, when the Pop Smoke really popped off like 2018.
Yeah, well, he's a funny around the same time.
Yeah, yeah, because he was an interesting one because he kind of had a lot of overlap with the UK drill scene, right?
Because he was rapping on the UK beats.
He did that song Welcome to the Party, which got a big remix from Skepta, who's like, you know, one of the biggest in the UK, as far as grime goes.
And so it was like he had this really great movement that was this sort of like American gangster shit, but with these UK-inspired beats.
And it was kind of party.
Welcome to the party.
It's a party song.
Yeah.
But it was some gangster shit.
And it was just like this amazing wave.
But yeah, it was that 2018 was like the peak of the peak of Pop Smoke as far as like, you know, like the ore coming out and stuff.
But I think 6ix9ine came out 2017.
Was it 2017?
I think Billy came out in 27, 2017 and Kuda and stuff.
I mean, we could look it up real quick.
Because his run was like quite short, but it was very short.
Because he was in prison by November of 2018, if I'm not mistaken.
End of the year, yeah.
Because I remember he came out with Dummy Boy like a couple days before he went to jail.
I feel like, did Gummo come out in the end of 2016?
I could be wrong.
Chris, can we search it real quick and you go?
Type in Gunmo 6ix9ine.
If I had to guess, I'm going to say Gummo came out like, nah, maybe, oh, shit.
Maybe it was 2017.
Yeah.
With the blicky with a stiffy.
That was such a hard song, bro.
And he comes on with a rainbow hair, all the bloods around him.
It's like, it's like who I smoke.
You know, that moment when Who I Smoke switches from their playing golf, classical music, to then it's like, oh, what you're doing your shit.
Like that was the same for Gummo.
It's just like, with a blicky, and all the bloods, the rainbow hair didn't make any sense.
And you can't.
And you're like, what the hell?
You have to.
But there was no disputing it because the people he was with were all verified.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah.
And it was undeniable.
Okay, let's see.
Five years ago.
Yeah, five years ago already.
Oh, October 2017.
Yep.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
So, so he popped off before Pop Smoke did.
Look at just like, bro, like, the guy's got rainbow hair.
He's got six line tight head.
The bloods are out.
There's a bit where they've got all the weed on the top of the car.
Yeah, yeah.
And it's like pounds of weed.
Is that shotty with a gun out?
Yeah.
I've watched this video so many times.
Forensic analysis.
You can see Shoddy right there.
Right.
But yeah, bro.
Like, I mean, this was this, this was.
So you answered me this, right?
Yeah.
Would the feds look at the weed?
Yeah.
Look at the weed.
Would the feds that worked on this case, would they have had to sit and watch this over and over again and analyzing everything?
Oh, yeah, bro.
I'd be like, yeah, I would, I made a joke about this.
If you type in, type in Casanova real quick, big ape, Chris.
Like, I'll show y'all how feds go watch music videos, right?
So like in this video, I'd be pausing and I'd be looking at who's who, identifying each person.
And then I already know, bam, that dude's the gang member, etc.
This one, they actually used this music video in their case to identify people.
Oh, bro.
For Casanova's case against the Gorilla Stone Apes.
Right.
So, you know what I mean?
Like, yeah, like, you know, Casanova was sort of like the real version of 6ix9ine.
Yeah.
There's a few Casanova songs I really like.
And he definitely, he definitely didn't tell.
He's doing that 20-plus.
He's a real ass.
Did he get sentenced or is it still ongoing?
I think he's, I don't know if he got sentenced yet.
I know he played guilty.
He's like, you know, they're saying it was like from him just being in group chats and on Instagram talking to the to the members and shit.
Like, bro, you know, once you get on in music, you really do have to completely separate yourself from that stuff.
Yeah.
And the thing is, is that Casanova was in, was in, I would consider it like a middle high position where he was like right underneath the big dudes.
Like the big dudes for these guys was a guy named Dick Wolf.
And I looked at the indictment, who was the main blood out of New York, like the top dude.
So, but Cass was like maybe two or three levels under him.
So, right.
But I guarantee you, they tried to get him to probably talk because he was in a perfect position to be able to provide information because he's high up enough to know what the hell's going on, but at the same time, low enough where they can get guys higher than him, which is exactly where 6ix9ine found himself, which is why 6ix9ine was able to negotiate such a great deal because he was high enough to be able to, but high enough to know enough and low enough to help them get people like Mel Murder and all these other guys that are really the top dudes.
Well, that's the interesting thing, right?
Because in contrast to the young thug situation with 6ix9ine, there was genuinely real gangsters at the top of the pyramid.
They were actually trying to take off the streets before 6ix9ine was even involved.
100%.
Whereas with Thug, he's the top guy.
Thug is the guy, basically.
Thug is the guy.
And then that's where, and also it's a state case too.
So, you know, and they've been, they've been going after him for a while.
You know what I mean?
The police are always going to feel some type of way if you like ridicule them or make fun of them.
And I mean, let's be honest, man, his lyrics are brazen as hell.
Shot at his mommy and he no longer mentioned me.
I was like, what the fuck?
Like, bro.
It's almost like you've got to wonder what was going through his head when he was in the booth of like.
Yeah, I'm going to say this stuff.
Like, I'm going to say, I'll show his mom because I did shoot at his mom and doesn't mention me anymore because he doesn't.
It's like, what's the thought process?
Excuse me, that's just one lyric.
Like, when I went through the indictment, I did a whole thing on this.
There are several songs and lyrics that they're using as against him as evidence.
Well, it's not just Thug as well.
The artists, like, yeah, he's got hella lyrics where they're talking about, we smoked your OG, like we, we did this, we did that.
Like, bro, like, and as well, it's like, you can't, you can't build the label around the criminal gang.
And then it's like the same dudes that are the shooters in the gang are your signed artists and shit.
Like, it's, bro, you're like, at a certain point, you just have to be like, I've made it out the streets.
I'm going to sign some actual artists, not just, not just the shooters.
Yeah.
And that's, and that's the thing nowadays.
It's like, it's all about like signing guys that are real.
But hey, when you've signed people that are real, well, you're going to face a lot of real problems.
And they're going to be in jail and everything else like that.
You look at like 1017, all of them are a prison.
Bro.
You know what I mean?
Well, Gucci Meng went through that.
So it's sort of like he took that template for his success.
You know, I wonder if it's lucrative, to be honest, like signing these artists that go to jail and owning their catalog and making the money while they're in jail.
Poo Shysti, he didn't get enough recording done before he went to jail.
I feel like if he had the two or three more mixtapes in the can, he'd be sitting up.
Yeah, he'd be all right.
But it's just that one hard mixtape that he had.
And then like, I've just had to keep that on repeat because there's no more shy music.
Yeah, there's nothing.
Yeah.
And that's, yeah, that's true.
And there's a couple artists like that that are like, you know, probably facing Rico indictments are going to go to jail very soon.
I mean, Hot Boy is in that same thing where they got the thing.
But he's putting a lot of music out.
Bro, you got, that's the thing, man.
When you know that those charges are hovering over your head, you better drop a mixtape out there.
Yeah.
You're like Kobe Bryant when he was going through that case.
You know, the dude was dropping 80 points every night.
You know, I mean, granted, he was innocent.
We all know that because that girl was capping.
But yeah, dude, it's just wild shit with hip-hop.
There's a magnifying glass on hip-hop now more than ever before.
Thanks to the internet, it's more violent than it's ever been before.
I mean, I remember when it was just used to be music, bro.
It's no longer just music.
Yeah.
It's true crime mixed with music now, the drill stuff.
And let's be real, it's very interesting.
It is.
It is.
I can't stop listening to the shit.
It's like, this murder music, it's so bad.
Fine, but it exists.
Chicago started it.
I would say Chicago started it when they said, fuck a Tuka gang.
What's this?
And then bam, that just opened the door for dissing Dead Ops.
Yeah.
Right.
And then, and then I would say Bobby Sharmita took the torch and continued it.
Mitch caught a body about a week ago.
Throws his hair out of the thing.
And it was real.
Like they really did get Mitch really, I guess really did catch a body about a week ago.
And then that's where it's like, okay, now we're going to start blending the street shit with the rap shit.
And then bam, next thing you know, you know, you got people like Young and Ace dissing ops.
You got Fulio dissing ops and all real shit.
Like, yeah, you homie got smoked.
That was unheard of, bro.
Back in the day.
I remember Gucci Mane was really the first person to do it when he talked about Young Jeezy's guy getting killed.
Yeah.
And everyone was like, whoa, what's wrong with you?
Granted, Gucci Mane had a good reason, right?
That he got robbed.
Three dudes broke into the house and he shot and killed one of them.
And one of them was Young GZ's guy.
And at the time, him and Young Jeezy had an issue.
You know, there's debates that like Young GZ offered them 10,000 to kill Gucci, right?
But regardless, like that, I remember that was like very taboo.
Like, whoa, you actually killed someone.
You're talking shit about the dead.
That's unacceptable.
Nowadays, it's like, ah, let's pull on a, let's put on a Miley Cyrus beat.
Fuck it.
Hey, that's that's what's coming next.
Yeah, bro.
The Disney drilling mixtapes.
Yeah, dude.
It's a different era, man.
It is a different era.
It has changed significantly.
Now it's out there, you know, with the internet, social media, et cetera.
And, you know, Klaus is everything nowadays.
Like, they want Klaus.
Oh, yeah, I killed him.
Yeah.
You know, and yeah, King Vaughn definitely has a bunch of bodies.
Bro, everybody knows this.
You know what I mean?
Like, I'm not condoning it.
Let's stop the violence.
But at the same time, if you're doing the violence and you're rapping about it, we're going to listen to it.
We're going to be looking up the streets you said you smoked an op on because this is the modern age.
This is the internet.
You can't talk about smoking somebody and have not people not look it up.
Like this is the age we're living in.
Of course.
And I mean, now a lot of his stuff is coming to fruition.
I mean, they pretty much had him as the main suspect for KI, right?
They put it out after he passed away.
Like, yeah, he was the main guy that we think killed KR.
Vaughn's story is particularly crazy because it's like he was supposedly the guy that was putting in crazy amounts of work in the streets, allegedly killing numerous people.
But then rapping about it, like he had this, he clearly got this enjoyment out of rapping about it.
You know, it was almost like he was going so close to the line as far as like hinting that he did these crimes.
And, you know, the twist at the end of the tale, bro, like, it's crazy that, you know, he died in completely unrelated situation, never got to face up to the consequences of stuff he was allegedly involved in.
And, you know, I think I often wonder about, you know, the people and the families of the people that Vaughn allegedly, you know, had something to do with killing.
And it's just like, man, you know, what must that have felt like hearing all that music in the charts?
You know, Billboard charting songs about these situations, bro.
It's tragic.
Like, that's true.
It's true.
Like, he literally, like, you know, like, Chief Keith made a career off of saying, fuck Tuca.
Yeah.
Right.
And a bunch of other guys too, right?
Like, you know, Dirk and Vaughn, you know, we still Tuca in my lungs.
I'm like, God damn, bro.
He died like 10 years ago.
Y'all still talking about this?
He was like a kid.
It goes to show like the deep-seated hatred between Oblock and FBG.
It was just, it was, it was like, bro, they literally hit him.
And the crazy part is like, yo, they're a couple of blocks from each other.
You know what I mean?
And Vaughn was like, yeah, we keep a scorecard, all this other stuff.
So, and the thing is, too, you know, I think it's very interesting.
I watch a lot of interviews of people that knew Vaughn and speak about him.
And one thing that I've noticed that every single interviewee says about Vaughn is that, yeah, he was, he was about that shit for real.
He was crazy.
7 a.m.
He's talking about, let's go out and drill.
What the hell?
You know, like, and, you know, normally if one person tells you something, okay, let me see here.
But when multiple people say the same exact thing in different interviews at different points in time, bro, he was.
He was about that life.
He did that shit.
He probably has the most bodies of any rapper.
Of any rapper.
Bruh.
That like actually made it.
Someone will come through and do because people are incentivized to do this shit now.
That's the craziest thing.
I'm not condoning it, but it's like someone will come through and do worse because that's just how it works.
You know what I mean?
Someone out there probably got eight bodies and they're just like, you know what?
Time to start that rap career.
It's fucked up.
That's the age we're living in.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it's wild, man.
I mean, I mean, he beat that murder case where he clearly was a shooter, but the other guy didn't want to cooperate.
Yeah.
You know, Malcolm Stuckey.
I think that was it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bruh.
Baffling.
Like, I don't know.
Chicago PD.
Don't know what they're doing.
Yeah, dude.
I don't know what the fuck they're doing either, bro.
That's why the FBI had to step in on that FBG shit.
And they stepped in because he killed him in a terrible area.
Like they killed him on the go, bro.
Okay, listen.
Y'all want to kill each other?
Go do that all block.
Dude, over here with the Gucci store.
Nah, man.
You know what's crazy?
The amount of time that they got away with that for.
It was like, because that happened.
And I think I want to say that was.
Yeah, they didn't come back and arrest him for a while.
It was August 2020 that they killed Duck.
And then Vaughn died two years later.
And they didn't arrest them for like, what, over a year after Vaughn died?
I guess because they wanted Vaughn.
No, didn't Vaughn die that year?
He died a few months later.
Yeah, he died a few months later, November.
He died in November of 2020.
But it took more than a year for them to pick up the guys for doing it.
Yeah, it took some time.
It took some time.
But the Fed's Rico case always take long.
And then also, I'm sure Vaughn getting killed through a wrench in their system.
Yeah.
Because I was talking about this before.
If Vaughn was alive today, he would be the primary target of that Rico case.
100%.
I just sometimes wonder whether they'll try and tie Dirk into something because he's hanging with all the same guys, you know.
Oh, dude, they're definitely trying.
I would not be surprised if there isn't a open FBI case right now on Dirk for racketeering.
Would not be a surprise whatsoever.
Well, they dropped the attempted murder charges that Dirk had with Vaughn.
Him and Vaughn caught that attempted murder in Atlanta and they dropped that.
And it makes you wonder, like, are they dropping that to catch him with something bigger down the line?
Or is he done?
I'll tell you this.
That could be done because I've had it before where, because you can't charge someone on the same crime federal and state.
So a lot of the times, if I had a stronger case, let's say, I'll give you a simple example of this.
Someone gets caught with a gun in possession, right?
A felon in possession charge.
Well, every state has a felon in possession statue, right?
But there's a federal one.
I would have to tell the ADA, hey, can you drop your state felon in possession case?
We're going to charge him federally.
They drop theirs and then, bam, now we can hit him federally.
So it might not be a good thing that they dropped that case in Atlanta because they can go ahead and say, no, we want to describe that as a pattern of racketeering in this overall thing.
Because with Rico, all they really got to do is show that there's a pattern of crimes and furtherance of the gang, which in this case, the king is going to be old block.
They've already established that this is a gang that has recognition, et cetera.
They've identified members, whatever.
They consider it the enterprise federally.
So, I mean, that could be a component of it where they have a case, they're building a case against them and they need the state to drop that so they can go ahead and put it into their federal thing.
Bro, if Dirk caught case, Dirk caught the big one, that would be the biggest story in hip-hop for years, man.
Yeah, bro.
I'm a big Duck fan, so hopefully not.
Yeah, and then, yeah, and they're all BDs, so that's that's easy, right?
It's under the gang of gangsta disciples umbrella.
So, you know, black disciples, gangster disciples.
There, they used to be one, but bro, they split off.
It's serious, man.
Hopefully, not.
Uh, not guilty, and I'm filthy, diddy.
And then, uh, thank you about that blind controller.
And then, uh, most of their lingo comes from undertones of Atlanta trap culture.
You have to demonstrate hospitality as well as dark triad to hustle effectively.
And then, three diglets, Hansen, MMBOP, changed the game for me.
I don't know who that is.
I don't know.
I don't know what that is, Chris.
That's a you know, kind of fruity song.
Okay, fair enough.
Uh, uh, anything else you want to hit, man?
We wrap this thing up.
No, man, this has been fire.
Thank you for having me, man.
Thank you for showing me love.
It's so good to come to Miami and link up and it's always great talking to you.
See the scenes.
I think the people really enjoyed it, too.
Guys, just shooting shit, bro.
It's been lit.
So, hopefully, you'll be back again soon.
Yo, guys, all his links.
I'm going to put them below.
Subscribe.
Can we pull up his channel?
No.
Sorry.
Carolis.
Oh, that doesn't look like something I'll be listening to.
What the hell?
Oh, man.
That's hilarious.
Yeah.
Guys, Rockwood Ross, guys, great content, man.
A lot of the stuff I'll probably cover because a lot of them asked me for Jacksonville stuff.
I'll probably cover that.
And I'm definitely going to use his video on that.
The best documentary by far on the Jacksonville situation.
There's a lot of new updates on that.
I mean, yo, and Ace even watched it.
Yeah, man.
Ace watched it.
Fulio said he didn't watch it, but I think he might have watched it low-key.
Yeah, he definitely watched it.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
He's like, wait, how do you know all this shit?
But there's been a lot of channels.
There's been a lot of updates in Jacksonville, a lot of different developments.
So I'm excited to see what you do on it because I feel like it's been nearly two years maybe since I covered it.
So shit, man, there'll be a lot of new info.
I'm excited to see what you do.
Yeah, KSO is fucked, though.
Bro, him and his dad's flipping on him, yeah.
His dad flipped on him.
Yep.
That's the latest information.
So that, yeah, he queso is done.
He's good.
He's 100%.
He's going to jail.
He's going to have to smoke his dad.
Bro, yeah.
And it's like, yo, how do you like, bro?
All he did was talk shit about Bibby.
Like, you were the killer.
He would wear a bibby jersey and shit.
Thinking it was funny.
That guy smoking on Bibby.
Woo!
Goes to show you how crazy it's gotten these days because he was doing that for his music for his clout.
And look where he is now.
Yeah.
It's fucked.
Yeah, man.
Guys, don't join gangs.
Don't commit murders, man.
Yeah, just listen to the music.
Keep it music only.
But other than that, guys, go check out Trap Law Ross.
Go check out his clips channel, which is Trapmore Ross, right?
Clips.
I got Trap Law Ross.
Trap Law Ross.
Trap Law Clips.
Trap Law Clips.
And then Trap More Ross, which I'm going to check.
I think I'm going to make that like a streaming channel.
That was just like a throwaway channel.
I was just doing random stuff on.
Okay.
But Trap Law Ross, Trap Law Clips.
That's the main thing.
Bam.
Guys, go check him out, man.
We'll catch you guys on the next episode of Fed.
No, no, no Thursday episode.
This was your episode, man.
Hope y'all guys enjoyed this chopping it up with a good friend here.
And yeah, man, I wish you a safe trip back to the UK.
Appreciate it, man.
Thank you for having me.
Peace out, guys.
I was a special agent with Homelands Investigations, okay, guys.
HSI.
The cases that I did mostly were human smuggling and drug trafficking.
No one else has these documents, by the way.
Here's what FedEx covers.
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