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Jan. 4, 2023 - MyronGainesX
02:31:30
Fed & @TrapLoreRoss Discuss Tate Arrest, How Feds Do Cases, YSL RICO, Hop Hop, Drill, and MORE!
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And we are live.
What's up, guys?
Welcome to FedEd.
I'm here with Trap Lower Ross, man.
We've got a lot to talk about.
Man, sorry.
We got a lot to talk about.
Yeah, I'm so hyped.
Uh, we're gonna be talking about YSL guys, hip hop drill, all the different cases going on.
Let's get into it, man.
I was a special agent with Homeland Investigations, okay?
Guys, HSI.
The cases that I did mostly were human smuggling and drug factors.
No one else has these documents, by the way.
Here's what FedEx covers.
Dr. Lafredo confirm lacerations due to stepping on glass.
Murder investigation.
You should have reaching into this jack, and you don't know.
And he's positioning.
You're 800 to litigation.
Raceteering and Rico Conspiracy.
Young slime life here and after referred to as YSL to the sentence.
6'9.
And then this is Billy Seiko right here.
Now, when they first started, guys, 6-9 ran with the case.
I'm a Fed.
I'm watching this music video.
You know, I'm Bobby Mahala.
Hey, this shit lit.
But at the same time, I'll pause and oh, wait, who this?
Right?
Oh, who's that in the back?
Firearms and violence.
AKA who shit is violated.
What are you just staying away from the data set after?
This is the one that that's gonna fuck him up because this gun is not traceable.
Well, it happened at the gun range.
Here's your boy 42 Doug, right here on the left.
Okay.
Sex trafficking and sex priority.
They can effectively link him to paying an underage girl.
I'm gonna look like the first bomb went off right here.
Check down attack.
The site of the second explorer inspired by Al Qaeda.
Two terrorists, brothers, the Zokar, Sarnev, and Tamar Lynn Sarnev and the cartel ship drugs into the country.
As this guy got arrested for um espionage, okay.
Trading secrets with the Russians for monetary compensation.
The largest corrupt police bust in New Orleans.
So he was in this bad boy.
We're going to go over his past, the gang time, so that this all makes sense.
We're going to go over his past.
All right, what's up, guys?
Yeah, you guys got FedEt on a Tuesday, man.
As you guys know, um I normally do FedEt on uh Sundays and Thursdays, but we got a special guest in the house, man, and he leaves back to the UK, so we gotta make sure that we go ahead and get uh this interview going, man.
And we got a bunch of stuff to talk about, actually.
Oh yeah.
Um so Ross, I know who you are.
Just in case the people don't know who you are, man.
Can you introduce yourself to the people?
Sure thing.
Yeah, it's trap low ross.
Uh I make very long, in-depth documentaries about the most important situations in the rap game, drill music, you know, classic rap stories from way back to very recently.
We just try and cover everything, really.
Just try and cover like everything in depth.
I mean, I know FedEx goes extremely in depth when you cover a story.
A lot of the stuff I I uh I use your stuff, your research to make the videos, or I'll just react to it.
I'm like, yeah, this is and then I'll go further into like maybe what illegal term means or whatever, how they conducted the investigation to get to that point.
So your content helps me a lot.
A lot of times all I get are really good background on it from watching your stuff, and then I'll go and look at like the more legal law enforcement side.
Well, I think we're living in a really interesting age because like we'll right now we're on the internet where there is ridiculous amounts of information out there about criminal cases, obviously music and lyrics kind of uh give an insight into a lot of real situations going on in the street or in crime history.
And like my thing has always just been if I tackle a story, I want to just try and find every single tidbit of information I can about that story, yeah, put it all into one video, and really just like show and tell.
Yeah, and I think you know, you're really good at that too, as far as just like finding all the information.
You know, I love it when people use me as a source because I'm kind of just like out there trying to use any tricks that I can to find out all the information about a situation or an artist or a crime, and bro, we're living in a crazy time of the internet when the access to information is nuts, and that's actually something I want to talk to you about because I think for me, sometimes I really take for granted like the methods that I use as far as people say to me, like, bro, how did you find this out?
How did you find that out?
And I'm like, oh yeah, I was just fucking, I don't know, Googled it, read it, I cross-referenced Google with Reddit, yeah.
And it kind of makes me realize like, oh, it's kind of deep, actually, the way that I put these together.
But you with your experience as a Fed, yeah.
I imagine that the resources that you've had at your disposal to investigate you know, real life situations, and now using the internet to investigate kind of famous crimes.
I feel like maybe I've got a lot, we've got a lot to learn from each other as far as like hunting down that information.
Yeah, um, so for for people that are wondering, as far as like law enforcement goes and how law enforcement gathers information, there's a couple different Ways that you can go about it.
So one of them is you could do something called an administrative subpoena.
An administrative subpoena is basically like, hey, we need you to give us these types of court records.
Now, depending on the agency that you work with, some agencies can do administrative subpoenas because they have the uh power to do it, they have the authority to do it, and others can't.
So when I was an agent, I worked for Homeland Security Investigations.
Um, and we were able to give out um admin subpoenas, and typically it was under two different laws.
It was either under AUSC, which is immigration code, or under the Title 21, which is the drug code of the United States.
So you can issue a subpoena to them.
Hey, for one of those two reasons or customs violations, excuse me, title 19.
So you could issue a subpoena, let's say to like a phone company.
I figure out that this crook has this phone number.
I want to figure out who owns that phone number, who the subscribers that phone number, I can give the phone company an admin subpoena, they give me back the information on who runs that phone number.
Now, if I want to get into something more a little a little deeper, like the contents of the phone or whatever it may be.
Well, number one, I'll have to have the phone in front of me, right?
Or if I want to look at their iCloud, I'll have to do something called a search warrant.
And that is pretty much you write up an affidavit that outlines all your probable cause, why you need to be able to search this particular device, right?
So you got admin subpoenas, right?
So if we're gonna go on a hierarchy, admin subpoenas are at the bottom.
You can just issue that just because hey, I want to figure out who the subscriber of this phone number is.
Then after that, you could do something called a grand jury subpoena, which is a higher level of a subpoena, which allows you to get like detailed information on bank records, on uh things that are a little bit more typically it's for financial cases, especially.
And uh also the and you can also do grand jury subpoenas to like figure out someone's phone information or whatever.
But the reason why grand jury subpoenas, right, are better than admin subpoenas is because admin subpoenas a lot of the times.
Let's say I give an admin subpoena to Facebook or to Yahoo or to Google.
Well, for one, they can go ahead and disclose to the describer, their subscriber that the government is reaching out to try to get their information.
And depending on the company, some companies have 30 days, 60 days, 90 days, but in general, they do have the ability to tell their customer, hey, just so you know the government asked for your stuff, all right.
So if you don't want them to notify the subscriber of your investigation and your subpoena, you get a grand jury subpoena.
That way they cannot go ahead and uh disclose that.
And then the level above that is uh what you could be like a court order, right?
You could be a uh something is along the lines of some something called the trap and trace.
And what a trap and trace is aka known also as a pen register, that allows you to track real time someone's phone activity, right?
So let's say um I know that you're a drug dealer, right?
And you're calling and communicating with a bunch of different people that are involved in criminal activity.
Well, I could do something called uh a pen register, which is a court order.
All I need is reasonable suspicion for that.
And basically it's gonna give me a live feed of all of your phone activity.
I'm gonna see all the numbers you're contacting, all the people you're talking to, etc.
I don't know what you're talking about, right?
I don't know like anything specific, I just know you're contacting these numbers.
So let's say I know that you could you did a I was watching you on surveillance, I know that you did a drug deal at 5 p.m. on Monday.
Well, what I'll do is when I know that you're doing these criminal activities because I've been watching you on surveillance, I'm gonna go back to the office, look at the pen register at that time period of when you were doing that drug deal.
Every single phone number that you contacted during that time period more than likely is involved in criminal activity.
I'm gonna subpoena those numbers, figure out who the fuck they are.
And this is how you build the the this the cobweb of uh conspiracy, right?
So that's a that's a pen register.
Uh, but that's just a court order.
You don't get real content, you just know who they're contacting, right?
Really good for drug traffic investigation.
And then after that, you get search warrants.
Now, this is probably the highest level here because at this point you got to write that affidavit, like I described earlier.
You uh, hey, it needs to be what probable cause, you give it to a prosecutor, the pro day you will say, you know, make sure it's good and go, good to go.
He sends it to the judge, you go to the judge's chambers, you swear it out, he gives you the actual search warrant, and then bam, you go to the dude's house and you kick in the door, or if you have their phone, you you start to search it, or whatever you know, you plan to search.
Um, and then the highest level above that is something called title three intercepts.
And a title three intercept is wiretapping phones.
Got it when you're listening to um when you're listening to people's phones, or if you're wiretapping their email, you can see all the emails coming in.
It's real-time monitoring of the communication and the actual content.
And to be able to do a title three, you need that pen register I described before because the pen register is the foundation from which you're going to do the title three because once going back to the drug deal thing, you did a drug deal at 5 p.m.
I know this because I was watching you on surveillance.
Maybe you had my source, my informant bought drugs from you during that time and you communicated with three or four other people, and then some people showed up.
Well, now I can articulate.
Well, Ross is talking to these five phone numbers who I know are sources of supply because I did uh investigation.
I looked them all up and I figured out that you know they're all members of this cartel, uh, this drug trafficking organization.
Bam, now I write a title three affidavit.
I need to listen to his phone because I know he's involved in criminal activity.
I've pretty much made your phone dirty with the pen register, and I maybe I have a recorded phone call with you and a source where you guys are talking shit or talking uh about criminal activity, and then that is gonna be the basis for which I get my title three.
So that right there is pretty much most of the tools a lot of law enforcement officers have to figure out um to do their investigation.
So just a quick little recap for y'all real fast.
Dropping knowledge.
So number one, it's admin subpoenas, guys.
Okay, this is the the lowest level where you can go ahead and send the subpoena to you know T-Mobile or whatever.
I need to know who the hell owns this phone number.
Then you got a grand jury subpoena.
Grand jury subpoena is you get that through the prosecutor and uh and a grand jury, right?
They convene and they give you what you need, and then you go ahead and you issue that to the bank.
Hey, I need these financial records, and you can't tell your goddamn customer I'm looking.
Then after that, you got a court order.
An example of this would be something like a trap and trace slash pen register where you're actively monitoring someone's phone, right?
You can't really see what the hell they're talking about, but you can see who he's contacting.
Then after that, you got a search warrant, a search warrant, basically, you know, an affidavit is written outlining all your probable cause.
You bring it to a judge, he signs it, bam, you can go ahead and search.
And then on top of that, the highest level is at title three, which uh or T3 or wiretaps, as we would say, uh title three intercepts, we call them in the government, and that is when you're actively monitoring someone's medium of communication, whether it's a phone, an email, etc.
But to be able to look listen to a title three, you need to have that pen register to establish that phone is used in crime, and you need something called a dirty phone call, which is maybe an informant calls the bad guy, maybe an undercover it calls the bad guy, and they talk about criminal activity.
Bam, now I got your fucking phone.
Your phone is dirty.
I've established that I have real-time information that you're talking with crooks right on my T3 affidavit, which could be anywhere between they're long.
I might last one I did uh back in like 2018.
When was the last time I did it in I think 2016?
I did I'll never forget, yeah.
I signed on September 1st, 2016.
It was 75 pages.
It was a drug trafficking case, and and it was you need a lot of probable cause.
To be honest with y'all, you guys need you need more probable cause to listen to someone's phone than to arrest them.
Damn, that's good.
So, bro, but yeah, I threw a lot there.
So no, no, that was fine.
So I was the video guys, I was always a huge fan of the wire, the show growing up.
Oh, yeah.
Do you uh you must have seen this?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Baltimore.
So that shit in the show where they're literally, you know, they're they're in like a dingy office, you know, they're listening, they're they're all listening in on all the drug deals.
Yeah, is that what it's really like?
Yeah, so yes and no.
So when you're doing a wiretap, um, you have to do something called you have to like read in everybody to the case, right?
Because since it's title three intercepts and that's considered like one of the biggest invasions of someone's privacy, you need to read insert people into the case, and only certain people can listen to the conversation.
So anyone that's in your group that's helping you with the investigation, and we uh monitors, a lot of times you you um a lot of agencies will go ahead and hire outside monitors to come in and monitor the uh the call, and then they're like professionals that like listening to it, writing it down, transcribing it, etc.
And then typically there'll be one agent in the room supervising them.
So are there some agencies where the actual agent themselves sit and sits and listen to it for sure?
But most of the time you have third-party contractors slash monitors, they come in, they listen to it, they interpret it, they print out the paperwork for you, et cetera.
And there's agents overseeing it.
Why do they do that with a third-party contractor?
Because to me, just off the bat, that seems like a not secure way of handling this information, or is it trying to create a separation between the agents and the subjects?
The uh typically the reason why is just they don't have enough manpower.
Oh, okay.
Um, so like so, like there are some agencies that do T3s all the time.
Got it.
Or um, like DEA, they're on wires all day.
Okay, so so for them, they'll have a specific, like I know for a fact, like DEA has wire rooms a lot of times, and they'll have dedicated monitors that like kind of work under DEA that do it.
But some other agencies don't do wiretaps as much.
So um, because they're very expensive, they're very difficult to do, they're extremely labor-intensive, right?
Um, so you can get in that third-party contractor to come in and do it when you actually do have the wire up.
Damn, that's crazy.
But yeah, it's really interesting hearing you talk because I feel like almost by accident through doing my content, you know, every video trying to go deeper and deeper and more in depth.
Yeah, I feel like I've almost built up a very scrappy skill set that Is almost akin to like an intelligence agency because I sit there and you know if a rapper's gone off on Instagram live and caught to a few crimes, I'm sat there transcribing that.
Yeah, you know, and it's I'm not listening to a wire tap, but the guy's recorded himself.
Yeah.
And I'm sat there listening to the job easier.
Exactly.
You know, looking at who's in the background, cross-referencing, you know, maybe images from Google Maps to an IG live where a guy's on someone's block.
Yeah.
Trying to jeep basically.
That's just that easy.
That's hard, dude.
But I guess the thing that I really want to talk to you about is just like what methods do you guys deploy to get the info of what's going on in the streets or in the crimes.
And what can a normal person or a person like me do to kind of almost like hack together versions of that?
Because for for me, for example, it's like I can I can't tap a guy's phone, but I can watch all of their IG lives.
I can read all of their Instagram posts.
Like I did the Ralo case recently.
Drug dealing, self-snitching case.
And one of the things I did, I just I went through his entire Instagram.
Most of it's still public.
I looked at every post, I read every caption, you know, I cross cross-referenced between music videos, stuff that was in the indictment, what was going on, and just kind of plotted it out.
I guess similar to what you would have done in a case.
They use his Instagram against him.
Yeah.
Because I covered the Rallo case too.
And I read the the criminal complaint, uh, which is basically a criminal complaint, is a um it's a document that an agent writes up where he writes an affidavit outlining all of his probable causes to why he needs to get an arrest warrant to go and get somebody, right?
So in the criminal complaint, because he got arrested by ATF, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms and Explosives, which honestly I thought was a little weird because they don't normally do drug traffic investigations, but the reason why they had the case was because he had guns.
He was dealing with the drugs and he had some guns.
So um so when I read the affidavit, they actually use his Instagram as like uh as like evidence in in the affidavit.
So yeah, they're definitely um they definitely use your Instagram.
But besides the stuff that like I described before, you know, your subpoenas, your search warrants, your court orders, your title three intercepts, et cetera, other investigative techniques you can use, right?
Because those are more like what I would consider formal techniques that you're using to accentuate your investigation, right?
Like you're you're you're gathering information.
You're like, okay, now I need to go deeper.
So the but to get the information so that you can go ahead and get the probable cause for a search warrant or get the probable cause for a tele-three intercept, nine out of time, dude, 10 times, dude.
You need informants.
Informants are literally the backbone to any type of criminal investigation.
When I was an agent myself at my height, when I was in Laredo, Texas, I was controlling somewhere between 10 to 20 informants at any given time.
Uh, when I was in Miami, Florida, I was controlling like five to 10, right?
At any given time.
And they're the backbone of everything.
And you have different types of informants, right?
So every agency outlines it differently, but what I could break it down for y'all is is is the these in general.
Every agency is gonna have their informants in these categories I'm gonna describe.
You got maybe like a source of information, or I used to call it an SOI.
That's this is someone that just gives you information.
Maybe they uh, you know, they they like the police, maybe they just hate crime, maybe they just want to um help out, etc.
Or they have uh uh uh they they're vindictive against uh an opposing criminal or some shit like that.
So that's SOI.
You don't necessarily pay them, they just contact you and give you information.
Then you got something called a cooperating defendant, which this guy is working off charges.
Maybe he you got him uh pinched on some state level charge, or maybe you can indict him on something uh that you got him uh you know red-handed for and you decided not to charge, but you have that over him that hey, we can indict you any day, you better fucking cooperate, right?
Or they've already been charged and they're kind of working it off and they're out on the streets like we're um doing cooperating, right?
Then you got a what I call a actual real confidential informant, and a confidential informant nine out of ten times is gonna be documented, or some people might call him like uh documented source, right?
Um, you know, uh homeland we call them confidential informants.
Uh the FBI calls it confidential human sources, CHS, I've I believe.
Uh uh, and then DEA calls them um damn, what does this DEA?
I think DEA calls them ATF calls them CIs.
I think DEA calls them um CIs as well.
Typically it'll be like CI number one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
You never use his name.
And then these guys are documented.
You have a file for them, you uh you pay them, uh, they get benefits, right?
Sometimes I had informants that I paid money, I had some other informants that I gave immigration benefit, which is like a unique authority that only Homeland is able to do with their informants.
So those are typically the different um types of informants you you have.
And then you got undercovers, which an undercover is not an informant.
A lot of people say, oh, like they'll say dumb shit like Tix Nile was a fit.
He was undercover.
No, uh, undercover is an actual special agent trained, has a gun, full-fledged law enforcement authority, et cetera.
Stupid just works behind he's he's just an undercover capacity, so the criminals don't know who he is.
So undercovers or agents, informants are agents of the government, but they don't necessarily um they don't work for the government.
Got it.
They're they're just documented and they're cooperating and helping, whether it's for money, financial reasons, whatever it is, or or immigration benefits, etc.
You ever see the show Oz?
The prison web.
Yes, I watched I watched the first couple seasons of that.
Seeing that where they I don't know if you remember, but they sent a guy, uh a uh a guy undercover into the jail to try and bust the like drug ring in the jail.
Did like do people do they actually do shit like that?
Like when they send undercover in, I've always wondered.
I'm just like that strategy must be so risky.
Yeah, that like I I'm surprised they even do it, but it must work.
It must be a successful approach, right?
Like they build a whole life around an agent and send them into the gang.
Yeah, I mean, um, it is very, very difficult um to get an undercover into a criminal organization where they're like being where they're actually very, very trusted.
It's very difficult.
That that takes like years sometimes, you know.
If you look at some of these famous like ATF cases, or you look at like the famous FBI case with Donny Brasker or whatever, like that's like deep undercover, right?
Where um they have them literally literally living with the criminals, etc.
Do uh do agencies do uh undercover like that to this ext that extent nowadays, not really, right?
With the advent of the internet and technology, whatever they could find out shit, it's a little bit more dangerous, it's not as easy as it was back in like the 70s, 80s, and 90s.
But um, but you know, there are definitely deep undercover operations going on like that.
Just I wouldn't say because putting your guy in jail, you always have it's always like a risk for you know, weighing out the risk, right?
So is it does it benefit you more to put an undercover agent in there, right?
Or if you have a reliable source, put a reliable source in there.
You know, it might be better to just do go with the reliable source because with the agent, you don't want to put your guys at as at at as much risk, unfortunately, right?
Versus a crook.
Man, that's crazy.
It's just crazy.
Like, you know, you see this kind of thing in movies, but sometimes it's like you feel like that can't be real, like it can't be to that extent.
But like that's what you're saying.
You're gonna need a lot of approvals, and the other thing too, a lot a lot of the times is like you're gonna need approvals from like the war and all this other shit.
And if you're conducting a criminal investigation, right, you want as little people to know what the hell's going on as possible.
You know, maybe you might maybe people in the jail at the highest level know, but you don't want the CEOs and everybody else knowing because you don't know who might might leak it.
So that's why it's like um that these are some of the issues you go into when you have undercovers um in certain capacities because it they can definitely get you know put in bad spots.
So you said you had like a 10 to 20 informants working for you at any time.
Yeah, real shit.
Did you ever have them get found out and like poked by the gang?
Or like, you know, surely if you get discovered as an informant, it's a wrap for the game.
That's a good question.
Um maybe you can't say.
No, no, no, no, I I could say uh so I've never had them get made that they worked for me, but definitely they've been uh, you know, people think that they're informants.
You know, like when you're dealing with criminals, one thing about them is they're all paranoid, dude.
They think everybody's a source, they think everybody's a nerd.
So um they'll employ tests here and there to try to see if your guy, you know, works for the police, or if I introduce an undercover, they'll try to see if he's uh the police and they'll put on like little stupid tests.
So um, but I've never luckily I've never had a guy get made to the point where uh he got hurt or anything like that.
So that's that's good.
But it is a very real risk that you run into.
I mean, I remember being out on surveillance, and we're buying guns from dudes, right?
And uh, you know, my source is like we're wearing a wire or whatever it may be, and I'm just like in my head, like I pray to God, like they don't see um they don't see the wire, or they yeah, I could hear everything going on.
Like in a van, like literally like a mood, like you're outside in a van.
Yes, so you're so so I remember I'll never forget this.
So we were doing a a deal, right, with some uh with some some crooks from San Antonio one time, right?
And we're in this small little rinky dink town, uh, you know, in between Laredo, Texas, and San Antonio.
And we're doing this deal to get some uh AK-47s and some rifles from these dudes.
And my sources in there doing a deal, talking with them, and you know, they're speaking Spanish, right?
They're the Mexican, and I'm listening to the thing, and we have a van, right?
So I'm I'm monitoring it as a case agent with uh like I call it like the you have multiple cars.
So as a case agent, I'm the one taking the notes, seeing what's going on, et cetera, because I'm responsible for the case.
Then you have something called a cover team on the side, and that cover team is as close as possible to the source, right?
And I and an undercover was in there too.
And their job is if anything goes down, because they're monitoring it as well, they're gonna go in their guns blazing to get them out.
Damn.
So um, so yeah, man.
I mean, when you're dealing with criminals like that, uh, there's always that fear that they could get the the biggest fear I always had whenever I did these types of deals was that they would get ripped.
And a rip is basically when you show up with crooks, and you know, there's a drug exchange or a money exchange or some kind of exchange where a lot large sum of money is there, and they just take the money and rot or and rob your guy.
So that's why we would always like uh one way we would circumvent that when we deal with these guys, especially if we do like high kilo deals or whatever, is the bad guys would meet first.
None of the stuff is on set, right?
Hey, you got the stuff?
Yeah, I got the stuff.
All right, where is it?
It's over there.
I gotta go get her.
Okay, you got your stuff, all right, cool.
Feel it out, and then bam, then they come back with the with the stuff, and then that's when the takedown would happen, or we would just let it walk.
We would take the we'll take the evidence, pay them the money, walk, let them go, and that's it.
And if they were driving with other people that I didn't know, I would go through some kind of uh process where I would either get them like stopped by the state and local police, maybe I'd have a trooper on standby, you know, stop them like 30 miles up the road so it doesn't look too familiar, or when they go through the the border patrol checkpoint, because you have to go through the border patrol checkpoint when you live on the South Louis border, it's just natural for them to do that inspection.
I'd have the border patrol agents stop them, do a basic inspection.
Oh, America Citizens, okay, let me see all the IDs.
Done.
They're ID'd.
All right, have a good day.
Bam.
Now I identified all everybody in the vehicle.
Damn.
Okay, so you you gotta break it down at a molecular level for me, because it's so interesting.
Sure.
So you're talking about going on real bus where you you take a bunch of money and you're gonna buy guns, drugs, whatever it is off the bad guys.
Yes, basically.
And so walk me through that actual scenario.
So you guys, you might be in a van, you're nearby, you might be listening in, but you the goal is for you to what catch them.
I mean, like you say, you don't want to get ripped off, right?
But you're bringing real money to buy real dope or whatever it is.
Yeah, and does do you allow the exchange to happen completely?
And then you you go and get them later?
Because you say you you pulled those guys over and got their IDs, right?
You let them go.
Yeah, when you like what what happened, like do you go and you then just go and bust them in a bunch of cars?
Okay, do you is that only step one?
Like this, it's just crazy.
Like it is so so interesting to hear it from the other side because I feel like this is the aspect of this that it never really gets broken down in popular media.
People, especially films and TV shows, they're kind of mostly concerned with like the criminal side, like criminals that get away with it.
But I would just love to know how that plays out, like every detail.
And that's a really good question.
All right, so I'll I'll you know you know what?
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I will go ahead and tell you guys exactly how an undercover operation is broken down.
Hell yeah, beginning to end.
So, number one, you meet with your informant, you meet with your undercover, right?
You brief up the entire team.
Hey, this is the undercover, right?
You got a team probably of 10 to 15 agents, they're gonna go out with you.
You got a cover team, you got and a couple surveillance units, right?
But you must have a cover team if you're gonna put send in an informant or an undercover.
So you brief them up.
Hey, here are the guys we're gonna meet with.
Here are the guys we're gonna go ahead and uh birth purchase uh drugs or the guns from, etc.
I show pictures of all the potential targets that are gonna show up to the deal.
So at that stage, you've got you know near enough everything, you know, all the people involved, you know who you're sending in.
Because we've set it up before.
So, like maybe the undercover was speaking with the bad guys, yo.
I'm gonna be in town, I need a AK.
Can you hook me up?
Sure.
Um, uh what can you do it on Thursday?
Yes, I can.
Let's do 3 p.m.
Cool.
Once that deal is set, right?
And we made that phone call and we got it established, then I start creating something called an operations plan.
And I go in the operations plan, I talk about um, you know, it's basically outlines everything the day, the time, the agents that are gonna be involved, everyone's roles, the nearest hospital in case someone is shot or hurt.
Damn, um, you know, if we have a helicopter or a plane involved in the the surveillance, their call sign, everything, right?
The vehicles that are gonna be there, and you have to do this operations plan.
After you do the operations plan, you do something called a briefing.
At that briefing, you brief up everybody that's gonna be involved in the operation.
You don't come to the briefing, you don't do the operation.
So you'll have your 1015 agents there and the undercover, you'll introduce everybody, um, put them in their roles, and then you're gonna go pick up the informant.
The informant's not gonna be there a lot of the times, right?
You go pick up the informant, pat him down because he's a crook too, of course.
And then he meets undercover if or if they haven't already met, etc.
And then you know, you wire them up, all that other stuff, right?
And you also wire up the undercover.
Then you go, uh and then uh then they drive to the meet location, you follow them, and then they go there.
A lot of times it's in a parking lot, somewhere public, whatever it may be.
The the vehicle that they're in is wired up, it's an undercover vehicle a lot of the times, right?
Um you're traveling, and this is quite a big operation, right?
And yeah, it's quite a big convoy.
Yeah.
So how do you stay low-key when you're going along to something like that?
Because you if I'm there to sell someone an AK and I'm seeing three white vans and a suburban, I'm I'm sure.
Good question.
So, how do you stay incognito when you're going into that situation?
Agents get there first.
The undercover and the informant or whoever is like doing the the undercover capacity of the investigation, they come after.
So we all set up where we're supposed to meet, they surround the place, and then the undercover comes in later.
So we we get there first.
So what happens then, right?
Because obviously you got this is the interesting thing, right?
Because the feds, you have to follow all the rules.
You got an operations, you know, manual, but however you set it up, you go off do everything by the book.
Exactly.
Whereas a criminal, if they're not feeling the vibes, they'll be like, if you want to buy the sake, hey, we're gonna switch the location last minute.
That happens a lot.
And so that must fuck your shit that must just you must just be scrambling at that point, right?
So how not to get too derailed, but these details are so interesting.
Yeah, no, no, it's it's it's that's important because they do that shit all the time.
They do do that.
So when they do do that, right, and they say, Oh, we're gonna switch the location or whatever, you figure out where that location is.
A lot of times it's like somewhere else that's public, whatever.
So, okay, cool.
Uh uh, I'm gonna need 30, 40 minutes to get over there.
Bam.
All the other units go over there, scope it out, and then you know, and then they pull up.
Do they ever go and scope it out and find like like an ambush set up or like some some fuck shit?
They're like, oh, you know, let's have the meeting at this point.
You guys go ahead and it's like nah, this ain't right, or someone else is there, or something, something's messed up.
How do you deal with that?
It happens.
That's why it's so important that all the surveillance units go there first and scope it out and make sure that you know they're not trying to set it up for a rip or whatever may be like that.
So um, so then once you once you um set up at that location, whether it's the first one that they agreed upon or a second one that they try to spring on you, um, you sit there and you wait.
And then they do the exchange and you're listening in and you're and you're gathering your evidence, right?
So everything is recorded in there.
Now, here's the difference between the feds and the state.
When the feds do these types of operations, excuse me, when the state does these types of operations, it's typically a buy bust.
Well, that's cool and all, but they're not gonna get the significant amount of time, and you're not gonna be able to build up the conspiracy to the same level as if you let them go.
Because what happens is you do two, three, four, five of these deals, they start to do what?
They start to trust you.
And then when they start to trust you and you're coming in with money, we're spending thousands of dollars with these idiots, right?
Buying guns and drugs from them all the time.
They start, and we start what we do is we start asking for higher quantities.
We start asking for more sophisticated weapons, right?
Then we can start getting into it.
Hey, we want some grenades.
Hey, can you guys hook us up with half a kilo of meth, etc.?
And we go and and obviously these guys aren't the ones that are able to facilitate that, right?
Oh, let me introduce you to this guy, let me introduce you to this guy.
Or a lot of the times, since a lot of these crooks don't want to lose the money, okay.
I'll get it for you.
So I know, yo, you're a mid-level guy.
You don't have the ability to get gather these weapons for me.
So I'll go and look, do a phone, you know, subpoena on the and look at their toll records, and I'll see who the hell they called right after the deal on my undercover.
That is more than likely the source of supply from which they're gonna get the stuff that they're gonna talk about to the next one.
Nail them.
Yep.
So okay, next couple questions.
Next couple questions.
What is the biggest or most extreme buy, if you can say, that you've done in both weapons, craziest weapon that you've tried to get your hands on, and biggest amount of dope that you know you you would put on a bus, like you would say we need this amount or whatever it is.
Like how, how what levels do you guys go to?
So you want to stay away, and this is I guess a misconception that the movies get wrong all the time.
When you're the feds, right, you don't want to go in there buying kilos, right?
You typically start with buying a few grams and ounces, and you want to keep it at that ounce level.
And I'll tell you why here in a second.
But you want to build up uh buying small quantities and go into the higher quantities.
And the reason why you don't want to buy kilos is because once you start buying kilos, this is where we're talking about 10, 20, 30, 40,000, depending on the drug, right?
Like a kilo of meth can go somewhere between 10 to 20k, kilo cocaine, around 20 to 30k, depending on where you're at.
I was on the Southwest border, so it was typically around 25 to 30,000.
Um heroin can be 20 uh, you know, 10 to 20,000.
So you obviously the government doesn't have money like that.
You can't be out here just buying drugs all day.
That's stupid.
But what you do do is you do these drug deals to identify other members of the organization and work your way up and get and you do these operations so you can go ahead and exploit telephones, right?
Whether it's you're get doing um teleintercepts, you're getting certain, you're getting probable costs to do search warrants, etc.
Uh, you're getting your informant more involved into the criminal organization because when you're spending money, they're like, oh shit, and they'll start to build trust.
So um as far as like buying drugs, I never bought more than a few ounces at a time.
And the reason why is because it defeats the purpose, right?
And especially what I was buying, I was buying meth.
I was buying, uh, and the thing is too with with methamphetamine, uh meth has very strict sentencing guidelines, and the meth that I was buying was 90% plus pure.
So uh in the feds, anything over 80% is considered pure, and that gives you way higher sentencing guidelines.
So if I went ahead and bought a kilo of meth versus buying an ounce of meth and it's 90% pure, well, why would I go ahead and buy more and spend more money like an idiot versus I could just get a couple ounces to get the evidence that I need and still at the same time move up the totem pole.
So it's about being intelligent so that you don't spend too much money doing stupid stuff because you have a finite amount of money for your operation.
Damn, that's crazy, man.
Yeah, that's crazy.
It's budgeting budgeting my criminal activity, guys.
So you uh you're going in there and you're you're getting people to come through with you know meth, guns.
You're building a case.
So you're saying in a lot of cases you let them go, right?
Yeah.
But you're building it up to that point.
So let's say you're in a situation where you know you buy, I don't know, a few ounces off somebody, a few guns off somebody.
You're building it up, but then at what point do you guys go, okay, now it's time, we're gonna swoop in and get them.
Do you catch them in the act, or at that point you've built all the evidence, you just come and kick in their door and take them away?
Uh so that really comes down to uh tactical strategy.
So it depends on kind of the level of danger of the targets you're investigating, right?
So, like if you know that these are really bad dudes, well, it might be better for you to get them at six o'clock in the morning with a SWAT team when with you know, when they're in their pajamas.
Um, or if you know that you don't necessarily know where they live, they move a lot, uh, you know, they're all over the place, then maybe it's better to bust them at the end of an operation.
So it depends on your target, their living style, danger, all these things kind of come into equation.
Um, for me, I would typically just send a SWAT team in and get them at six in the morning once I had my arrest warrants.
Like, I wasn't one of these guys that was like, oh, I want to kick in the door, and we call them tackleberries.
Uh guys that like always want to be involved and kicking down doors, all this other shit.
Like me, I was more concerned with like building big cases.
Like I was what you would consider a strong case agent.
And uh there's different types of agents.
You got your guys that like like to do the tech stuff, right?
They just more of a support angle, right?
Then they do that like full time.
You got your guys that are computer forensics guys that just analyze, you know uh evidence on fo and on on uh on computers, a lot of times it's child pornography, right?
They're just they're getting that evidence and analyzing and doing the forensics, finding evidence for you.
Um, you got agents that do outreach and other bullshit like that.
You got agents that do SWAT team stuff that all they do is just kick indoors, and then you got guys like me that are like I I build strong cases.
I like when they go and do a press release on an investigation, right?
And it's like the office's biggest case, that's my shit.
That's what I like doing because that gets you the most respect in the office by far, right?
I was always really big on doing big um complex organized conspiracy cases with multiple defendants, multiple crimes, um, multiple jurisdictions, multiple countries.
So that's what I was always interested in doing, not necessarily doing all this admin bullshit.
I cared about doing big cases.
So let me just rewind for a second, right?
A minute ago, you said when you go and do these busts, okay, you have these support vehicles, everybody's kind of watching and listening in for if shit goes left and of course you've got going guns blazing.
Yeah, can you tell me about a time when shit went left and guns had to blaze?
Uh I'm trying to think here where we um extracted somebody.
Luckily on my operations, it's never happened.
Uh none of my operations ever happened.
But I do know, like a year ago or a year and a half ago, um, there was a shooting here in Miami uh with with Homeland Security, my my old agency, uh, and I think it was Coral Gables or something like that, that not too far from here.
And it was our financial group that shot.
I think I know who the agent is that did the that shot them.
Uh but yeah, but but luckily for me, none of my operations have ever had something like that happen, dude.
You don't want that because then the if someone gets shot or someone gets killed or whatever, bam, now OPR office of professional responsibility is gonna get involved.
Then you got the um the uh probably the FDLE here in Florida, uh for Florida Department of Law Enforcement.
Um they're gonna come in and do an investigation, right?
It's like fuck, man.
So it you you never want that stuff to happen.
So thank God, like none of my operations ever went left where someone was hurt, or we had to actually like use some kind of force to get an informant or an undercover out.
And And I was able to do that because I had really good informants.
Like, um, even though a lot of them were chip bags, uh, I had really good informants that like you know, they dealt they were in the game, and when they introduced my undercover, they did it in such a seamless way where they the the crooks a lot of times didn't even really suspect it too much.
Damn.
Okay, let me switch gears.
Yeah, sure.
So with everything you know, everything I know for entertainment purposes only, yeah.
What would be the best way to get away with some crimes?
Um, or like what what is some shit the that own not only an insider would know, but just like like for me, for example, I often say in interviews and in some of my stuff, it's like, yo, rappers, don't don't rap about the crime specifically, don't put in your lyrics.
We shot this guy this time, all this stuff.
You know, recently you got so many people getting indicted, you got these Rico cases, you got young thug, young thug an artist as big as Young Thug, a billboard chart topping artist talking about we shot at his mom.
Yeah, and the dude's mom actually got shot.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
So it's like to me, that one's common sense.
Yeah, but I'm always just curious to know like what what could or what would a smart criminal do to at least not end up doing going the self-snitching route?
You know what I mean?
Because for me, it's it is simple, but it's stuff like look, don't rap about the specifics of a crime in the song.
I and I always think a lot of rap music, drill music is better if you can kind of allude to crimes going on without being too specific.
You know what I mean?
I think I don't think there's necessarily that many props in talking about the specifics for crime, but I would just be curious to know, even like in the modern day, because it seems like everything's technological now.
Yeah, it's so hard to get away with crimes or to conceal things.
You got the YMW Melly case, yeah, where there's you know, he's saying, Oh, you know, the ops pulled up and shot up the car, and they're like, Well, we checked the GPS, and that didn't happen.
Yeah, exactly.
Like that's a no.
Um, so uh so uh what crime are you specifically do you are you asking we get away with?
Because that obviously that would change your strategy significantly depending on the crime.
Well, let's go through the let's go through the most obvious and the most the most uh glorified crimes in the in the game.
Let's say murder, I need to kill an op.
Okay, I've got big there's a big op, right?
He's he's been causing me all kinds of problems okay for months.
Big op.
I need to trap geek.
I need to trap me and me and trap geek are in the same gang.
We're gonna me and trap say me and trap geek, we're gonna slide on hip hop daily.
Okay, we said we had it with hip hop daily, right?
We're ready to slide, but we're not trying to do any time.
Okay, we're in the Rico, me and him are conspiring, yeah, right.
What what could we do?
For entertainment personality.
Hypothetically, of course, guys, in the modern day, okay.
Like, if you apply because you cover you cover a lot of serial killer stuff too, right?
Yeah, I do, yeah.
And like, I'm not trying to do any serial killings, yeah.
But like, what would be the smartest way to do that shit?
We we could talk about why serial killers got away, the most prolific, you know, your Ted Bundys, your John Wayne Gacy's Zodiac Killers, um, nice talkers, etc.
A lot of these guys were able to like operate for as long as they did, because um a couple reasons.
Uh, number one, law enforcement wasn't refined back then where they were sharing information.
There wasn't uh centralized computer data systems where you could share information like today.
Um they didn't have phone technology to be able to like uh triangulate where a person's geolocation was at a given particular time.
Um DNA was not something that actually came out until I want to say around 1987, and they didn't actually formally start using it in trial to convict people until the 90s, right?
I think the first DNA conviction was 1987, but they didn't actually refine it and use it until the 90s um and into the 2000s.
Um so all these different uh and then also the people are gonna laugh at this, but the emergence of the interstate highway uh interstate highway system also led to uh serial killers being able to get away with it because if you commit a crime in a rinky dink town, next day you could be in another state thanks to the interstate highway system.
So this uh like Ted Bundy, for example, murdered women in like seven different states.
Um Samuel Little, who has 93 kills, said killed women in like 10 different states, and they were able to elude a law enforcement a lot of times by just being mobile and using the interstate highway system to get around.
Um so that's how those criminals were able to get by.
But if we're gonna go murder, right?
You want to slide on hip-hop.
Okay, okay.
So let me let me glean from the the amazing information you give me so far, right?
Okay, so when me and trap geek slide, yeah, okay, on hip hop daily.
We can't take our phones on the drill.
So we're leaving our phones at home.
Absolutely.
Okay, you you gotta leave them there.
DNA.
So we need to wear gloves, yeah, probably a mask.
Because as we say in London, no face, no case.
Exactly.
So you got mask up, glove up, no phone.
How are we gonna get there though?
I feel like the vehicle, if you tying yourself to a vehicle is always always a way to get.
So you know what's funny?
Uh, I I I did a whole podcast on this.
There's a book out there called Hitman, a general contractor's uh yeah, yeah, this is like a manual.
It's a manual, bro.
I have it somewhere in the house.
I'll maybe I'll go ahead and get it real quick.
But there's a book that actually teaches you how to do a hit.
And this book came out like in the 80s or 90s or something like that.
And this one criminal actually followed it to a T and he almost got away with it.
But then the police did a search ward at his house, found this book, and a lot of the things that yeah, I know, bro.
A lot of the crimes, right?
A lot of the steps that he had taken were in the book, right?
So and one of the steps was actually to use a rental vehicle to uh to commit the crime and park the rental vehicle far away from the area and then leave on foot and then go pick up your car somewhere else and drive out.
So well, the rent see, this is the thing with the rental vehicle that can lead you to the crime.
We're seeing the young third situation.
It's looking like the rental is what's gotten him into it.
Yeah.
So I would, and back then they didn't take as much, you know, um, I guess stake in your rental car.
So I would I would never uh you definitely don't want to rent a car.
I would say get a stolen vehicle.
This is what they do in the I don't know if you ever heard the phrase dinger, but in the UK, we got a phrase called a dinger, which is like you know, a dinged up shitty car that's stolen.
Yeah, where if you're gonna do a drill, you do it in a dinger.
That's what you slide in.
Absolutely.
But that's the thing.
Where you're gonna get a stolen car, do you steal the car yourself?
Because now you're racking up several crimes to commit the headline crime.
So yeah, to prepare.
Yeah, but so you essentially you need a stolen vehicle.
I would say a stolen vehicle will work.
I mean, it depends if they're not far, bro.
Use a fucking bike.
I know that sounds crazy, but like use a bicycle.
That's the thing.
Because that's the difference, right?
Because a bicycle, you're not dealing with a license plate, it's not easily trackable, there's no electronics in there.
Yeah, I mean, I tell you what, uh, like you say with the interstate highway, because in London, crime has recently been revolutionized by the introduction of the electric scooter.
Oh, yeah.
Apparently, the Met police were saying that the electric scooters have got criminals working overtime because they can zip over here, do a quick crime.
I mean, you've been to London recently, right?
It's like it's quite a small place.
It's wild, mostly public transport.
And like you can get around and do all your shit.
All sorts of crimes all over town on the scooter.
Yeah.
So that's one way of doing it too.
Yeah, you want to, you definitely I would say when it comes to transportation, because like there's so many different ways, and it depends on how how far your your target is, I guess.
Um, but you the I guess the general rule of thumb is you want to use a mode of transportation that can't necessarily easily link you back.
And unfortunately, vehicles can rental cars can.
Um, and then also, so let's say you figure out your mode of transportation that doesn't necessarily uh have a trace back to you as much.
Uh the next thing is you gotta actually do the drill, right?
So um if we're gonna if you're gonna use guns, uh, you better take out that barrel after you're done and get rid of that weapon after.
That's what I would say.
Because after it, anytime you shoot a weapon, right?
Which I know in London you guys don't have guns, but let's assume that you guys did have guns, right?
Uh basically what happens is when that bullet goes through that barrel, it creates uh that barrel gives that bullet a certain fingerprint, it gives it certain swirls that are unique to that barrel.
So that's how when they do ballistics, they're able to figure out oh, well, these bullets were fired out of this same gun because the same groove pattern.
So it's quite literally a fingerprint for the bullet that identifies that gun.
So um, so I would obviously take apart the gun completely, get rid of that barrel, because that's gonna be the most important thing, and then uh throw it all over the place, like throw different parts of the gun all over the place and get rid of the weapons.
It it always amazes me how people um keep uh keep the weapons, and then also um it's much harder for prosecutors to solve a case when they don't have the body because when they have the body, they're able to identify how the person was murdered, which will give them clues.
Um, you know, time of death, all that stuff.
So um getting it rid of the body is obviously you know important too if you're gonna be a crook.
Another another big people write notes right now, like okay, hold on, wait, what did you say?
Ah Chris is like, I got a couple people I don't like.
It's a it's a bad day for the ops, man.
It's over for the ops.
So what's that new glock who this okay?
So another thing I hear about a lot in songs, right?
And this is a hilarious, this is one of the most hilarious lyrics that I can even remember.
Yeah, who shit has a lyric where he says, My chopper's got a shell catcher, we don't leave clues.
Coming from a man that left quite a lot of clues, it's hilarious.
But the shell casings, yeah, that's bad news leaving those behind, right?
Yes, because that is how they're gonna be able, if they do find the gun, they'll be able to match up the shell casings with the the barrel of the gun and be able to say conclusively, these bullets were fired from this gun because uh every gun's uh barrel has a very distinctive groove pattern.
Am I right in thinking that revolvers don't leave shell casings?
Uh they don't eject them.
Yeah, they don't eject them.
Yeah.
Got it.
But the problem with revolvers, even though they're fantastic guns from like a reliability standpoint, they don't jam, etc.
They've stood the test of time.
Uh you only get six bullets.
So, you know, you better be pretty damn accurate.
And you got to reload those manually.
Yeah, that's yeah, that's trash.
Actually, matter of fact, uh, the revolver used to be the main gun that law enforcement agencies of the United States use.
But after I want to say 1986, the uh FBI got in a huge shootout here in Miami, actually.
I did a whole case on it.
If y'all want to go check it out, the FBI uh shootout in I think it was 1986, where the dudes were using rifles and guns and semi-automatic pistols, and they killed a bunch of agents.
And that's when they realized holy crap, we need to give our law enforcement officers guns with better stopping power.
And that's when most agencies switched over semi-automatic handguns that allowed them to have higher magazine capacities.
Jeez, that's super interesting.
Yeah, and they started getting them like you know, AR-15s, etc.
Because the two guys that they were following, one of them was an Army Ranger, and the other guy had some other military experience.
So those guys not only were trained to operate that weaponry, they were trained to attack the threat.
Versus like law enforcers teaches you more along the lines of like how to uh you know, more defensive shooting, how to get rid of a threat when they come at you.
These guys were pressing upon them and they had superior firepower to be able to push on them because they were like fighting um out on the street, hiding behind cars and stuff like that.
And they just have revolvers.
You can't compete with a fucking machine gun when they have revolvers.
So that's what kind of made law enforcement uh switch handguns some higher capacity magazine guns, and also they started giving them ARs, shotguns, uh Uzies, or no, excuse me, MP5s.
American cops are like this crazy loadout these days, bro.
I see I see the dudes at the airport, and it's just some call of duty shit.
Yeah, it's nuts.
So you said a minute ago, the best the best crime for entertainment purposes only, of course, but the best crime where there's no body.
So that immediately makes me think breaking bad, barrel full of acid.
But I feel like that's just some movie shit, right?
Like what the what exact I mean, I mean, I don't know, from like cases that you've looked into or covered or have been involved in.
Yeah, like what are the situations where a body is turned up unexpectedly?
I mean, I'm thinking of like there was a case where apparently I think it was linked to like GS9 in New York, where they the a guy floated up in the cement cement shoes on the right.
It was like an associate of Bobby Schmidt.
I remember I know what you're talking about.
Apparently, that's actually not that's more from the movies, like people don't really be doing the cement shoes.
But I don't know, like what uh even just like situations where a body is turned up and got somebody caught where maybe it shouldn't have.
Anything you know in that department.
Um, yeah.
I mean, a lot of the time uh with with serial killer murders, right?
Like, right, they'll they'll dump the body somewhere hoping that no one finds it, but they actually do.
Um, you know, um, like the Green River Killer out there in Washington State, uh, they found a bunch of the bodies in like rural areas, like right at right by the river.
And that's why they call them the Green River Killers because they've they found the bodies right by that green river.
Um, but that you know, that's just them being sloppy, right?
Because like the issue of a lot of these dudes is like they were into necrophilia, so they would come back and like, yeah, yeah, they would come back and like look at the bodies and do the their weird shit.
Ted Bunny used to do this too.
So um, I guess their strange sexual urges overrode any type of rational thought as to how to get away with the murder.
And and and and the thing is that they had the advantage that a lot of serial killers have is that like there's no real clear link between them and the victims most of the time.
The victim typically just fits some kind of mold that they like, and and it was just like a random encounter where they found them and they were able to kill them, which is very hard to detect motive.
But um, but yeah, you got I would say getting rid of the weapon and getting rid of them uh the body are critical components to avoid getting caught for sure.
That's crazy, man.
So okay.
And not having a phone, like like Yan W. Melly, for example, he is fucked because they have the phones.
Like I know, and here's I know some of you on the channel go, Oh my god, free melee, whatever.
Guys, I had to say it, bro.
They just put the death penalty back on the table.
There is no way he's beating that case.
See, that's a really interesting case because it kind of touches on several of the things we've just said, right?
Because it's like you got the phone GPS got them, and then also they put the bodies back in the car and drove them to the hospital, right?
So the bodies are there.
Yep.
And then they did the forensic analysis on the bodies and said a lot of the shots came from inside the car.
Exactly.
And then they found one of the shell casings.
What was it?
Like inside the car in a plastic bag.
In the back left seat where Melly was sitting, they found the shell casing uh there.
And the other thing too, as well, is that um they were able to like look at their wound patterns and they saw, like, wait, the way they were shot, the way their injuries are, there is no way that they got shot from a vehicle passing by.
Like, because the bullet holes on the side of the car that Melly and is and Bortland shot into the vehicle to try to create this illusion they hit with the shot um with the drive-by didn't match up with the wound patterns of the victims.
So that's how the police were able to quickly be like, yo, no, he they were shot from inside.
And also the bodies had something called stipling on them.
And stipling is uh burn mark anytime you're shot at damn near close range.
So that's a indicate, and it's like a little burn, like a brown thing on the on the neck, I think when they shot their friends, and uh that's how they knew it was a close range, damn near like execution kill shot as well.
And it wasn't a drive-by.
What do you think happened in that Meli situation?
Just like you just speculation, like what do you think went down?
Because for me, sometimes I think about that, and it's like a the thing a lot of people s wonder about this thing.
I do too.
And it's like I seen a lot of, you know, before it went down, I was a fan of him.
And I, you know, I seen a lot of footage of him with his with his guys that ended up dying.
And you just think like, why would he do that?
And often I wonder whether it was a genuine mistake because you always see him toting guns, yeah, showing guns to the camera, running around with guns, drugs, drink, alcohol, weed.
It's not unthinkable that he was just high in the back of the car and just squeezed the trigger too hard and fucked up and then just scramble to try and fix it.
But at the same time, there could be a lot more to the story between their personal relationship.
But in your opinion, like as an agent and also just somebody with an interest in music, like what would you just spec pure speculation of like what you think went down that day?
So what what I think happened, um, and this is a really like interesting case, right?
Uh, because you got you know, uh a hip hop artist who was literally at like the peak, yeah, right, and and just and now he's facing the worst charge ever, and he's looking at the death penalty.
So what I think happened is is this they left the music studio, right?
And then they went to the secluded area, and it's very obvious, right, that the fire the shots were fired from you know inside the vehicle, right?
You find a shell casing in there, you got a stipling, you see the wound patterns are indicative of more of a close range shot.
So he shoots the two.
I think an argument potentially ensued, or they had planned it, shot them, killed them, right?
And then they're like, damn, what are we gonna do with the bodies?
And that's when they devised this stupid idea, or maybe they had a device before, where they're gonna shoot into the vehicle and be okay.
But the problem is that Meli didn't realize that not only were they gonna match up the ballistics and the bullet holes and the wound patterns, but also his phone is you know the nail on the coffin because the phone that they were able to pinpoint that he stepped out the vehicle, walked around and shot into it to be able to create this illusion.
And they have it like point by point where you can't refute cell phone geolocation data, you know.
Um, so that's what's gonna end up sinking him.
Is that like and the other thing too is that they gave statements to the police that completely contradict the hard evidence that you cannot refute, like it completely doesn't make sense.
So that also, you know, goes into showing them trying to decept the police.
Um and then the only I think the biggest thing was people were like, what's the motive?
What's the motive?
Well, we know um one of them had a financial dispute with Melly, and I know Melly's mother had a dispute with one of them as well.
So I mean, that could have been a motive as well.
Uh, I think the prosecutors have uh been investigating and they figured out there was something around like 500,000 or something like that that there was um some arguments about, but um yeah, I mean that's what I speculate happened is they they they they killed him in that random area because the area they killed him too it's not too far from here, it's like 20, 30 minutes from here, it's the middle of nowhere.
Bro, it's crazy in Miramar.
So, in your opinion, going back to what we were saying a minute ago, getting away with the crime.
Obviously, I don't mean to disrespect anybody, obviously, you know, uh rest in peace to the people that lost their lives in that situation.
Of course, but in light of what we've just discussed as far as like getting away with crimes.
Let's say you put yourself in Melly shoots, yeah, right.
And you wanted to do this, and essentially, you know, that moment after they shot up the car from the inside, let's say, they hatched this plan, we're gonna shoot with the car, we're gonna send Bortland to the hospital with the bodies.
Meli just left, like one dude to the car, yeah.
And like what I mean, I realistically, I'm just gonna come around and say it, like what could they have done to get away with it?
Well, for one, that have their phones.
Um, they also fucked up.
Bortland's fucked up by speaking to the police.
Um, and then also a lot of Melly's friends got caught in lies for him.
I think Fredo Bang lied on his behalf and said, No, he was with me when in reality he wasn't.
Or so or so, someone said that Melly was in their car driving with them to a certain location, but when they actually looked at the phone location data of that individual, it did not coincide with Melly's phone.
So that's how they knew that that individual was lying and he Melly was not actually in a vehicle with him.
So um, So I would say not having phones with you when you commit a crime like that is very important.
Number two, not even speaking to the police at all, not giving a statement.
Because what happens is when you give a statement, now they got you on a story.
And then they go back to the forensic evidence, they go back to the phone location data, they go back to the uh ballistics, etc., and they figure out, okay, this is a lie.
And then automatically they're like, wait, hold on.
That means you're probably the shooter because you you lied like ridiculously.
Well, I feel like it's funny because it's almost like speaking to the police is generally considered extremely suspicious in you know, I I guess uh I don't know better way to put it like pseudo-criminal circles, you know.
Uh Melly claimed himself to be a gang member, right?
Yeah.
So it's almost unusual that they would go to the hospital and suddenly want to talk to the cops, right?
Yeah.
That that almost in itself is a little bit.
I don't think Melly gave the police a statement, but Portland did.
And that's what kind of made everything like not make sense.
It seems like really, like you say, you know, the phones, you're just cooked.
Yeah, the phones, the phones got them dead to rights, dude.
Because you can't you can't argue that.
You literally cannot refute that.
And then all the ballistic evidence lines up with uh with what the police theorize.
And this is this is this is uh the YW Melly case is a perfect example of circumstantial evidence working in tandem together to build a picture, right?
So if you got one piece of evidence, okay, he was here at this time with the phone, right?
That's not that strong.
But then you add in the bullet casing in the back, you add in the fact that they found glass shards from that same vehicle at that location after the fact that proves that they were there alongside the phone evidence.
You look at the wound patterns of uh how they were shot, the stipling where it was it was proven it was um you know close range, uh, how the shots that went into the vehicle uh from this alleged drive-by didn't match up.
All these little pieces of circumstantial evidence paint a story where it could not have been anything else but what the police are theorizing, which is why their case is so strong.
Because even though they don't have the murder weapon, you know, even though uh they don't have a confession and they don't have like hard, hard proof, they have a significant amount of circumstantial evidence that paints the picture for them.
And the beauty is is that this circumstantial evidence is rooted in in uh in uh I guess evidence, right?
Not to be sound redundant here, that can't really be disputed.
You can't dispute wound patterns, you can't dispute geolocation data.
You can't dispute um uh bullet trajectories, right?
You can't dispute um methods of dying wound patterns and stifling.
You can't you can't, right?
Even though they go to the police and give a whole other story, you can't refute it.
So that's that's what makes the case so strong is that it's circumstantial evidence working perfectly uh together to paint a picture.
Man, it's a crazy case.
Uh, you know, I he's been sat down, I think, for four years now.
You know, yeah, dude.
It's crazy.
I hope he gets a trial soon.
I want to I want to know one way or the other.
Yeah.
It's insane.
But speaking of trials, I know we spoke about it briefly off camera.
Sure.
They got the top G. They did get the top G. That was not the news I was expecting to finish off the year with.
You know, Tate got arrested.
I just don't know what to think.
There's been a lot of misinformation about it.
You seem very informed on the situation.
I think maybe you've already spoken on this on camera.
Yeah.
But I don't know if there's a way maybe you could break down to me some of what you were saying about you know what he's dealing with and maybe like what he's up against and and you know what the people can expect, maybe.
Yeah, so I got this information directly from like a Romanian police officer and like how they do things.
And it's a very different world over there in Romania versus the United States.
And essentially, they got a search warrant, right?
And when they get a search warrant, it grants the police a period of 24 hours to detain the people that are behind that are that are alleged to be behind the crimes.
And in that 24 hours, right, the prosecutor and the police out against the 24 hours, they have to go ahead and gather evidence.
So if they gather evidence within that 24 hours, right, um, that they think is sufficient, they present it to the judge and they say, hey, we need this person detained for 30 days, right?
Um, and in this case, right, a lot of people are like, oh, they must have followed something.
That's why they're detaining Andrew, blah, blah, blah.
Well, that could be a part of it, but you all, you guys also got to remember that according to you know, social media, how the police view things, whatever, they look at Andrew as a flight risk.
He has a lot of money, he's famous, he has multiple passports, etc.
He is the perfect example of someone that the government can argue, oh, we need him behind bars because he can run.
Also, they're scared that he might influence witnesses.
That's another thing, too, as well, why they're like, oh, we don't want him out.
So all these people that are saying, oh, he's guilty, he's guilty, they're holding him for 30 days, blah, blah, blah.
You guys got to understand that a big part of the reason why they're holding him isn't necessarily the evidence, it's because of who he is, right?
Which is kind of fucked up, to be honest with y'all.
But they're looking at it like he could flee at any time.
He has another home in Dubai in the UAE in Dubai.
So I think his status and his income and his uh uh accessibility to passports is the real reason why they're holding him.
Not necessarily that they have solid evidence against them because I mean, I spent a significant amount of time with Tristan and Andrew, and they're the furthest thing from human smugglers, uh human smugglers, human traffickers.
I mean, you know, uh when we would have our uh when we had parties and everything like that, and girls would come and show up or whatever.
I remember there were girls that were like were very rude, weren't polite, annoying as hell, and uh, and they were rude to Tristan, right?
Even though it was there at his house hanging out there, he still went out of his way to get them a driver home to get them an Uber, he'd give them cash to get a taxi.
Like he had sure every girl actually got home.
So my head, I'm like, all right, so you're telling me that he's running a human trafficking organization, but he's over here going out of his way to make sure that women get home safe.
And then on top of that, none of these allegations ever came out before when they had 75 plus models and were running like an entire webcam industry, but now you want to tell me 10 years after the fact when they've significantly downsized their um webcamslash only fans operation that girls want to come forward now, it doesn't make sense.
So, why pick now, right, to come out and say this stuff when I know they significantly downsize that portion of their business.
Like they don't do the webcaming stuff like that anymore.
They have a couple models that work for them, but they know them, they've been with them for years.
So that is what also had me like this is this is some bullshit.
And I think when you are someone like Andrew that is outspoken, sharp, intelligent, knows how the world really works, etc., and you go against the grain of what people say, do and believe, well, you're gonna build a lot of enemies.
Um and quite frankly, a lot of people are jealous of him and his success, right?
This is why all these people run around and say fake alpha male, toxic masculinity, blah, blah, blah.
I have never once heard out uh Andrew refer to himself as alpha male, right?
So it's or Tristan.
But uh, but that's what I think is that that's kind of what's going on, is they're being held more along the lines of because of their status versus like real evidence.
Something I want to ask you about this specifically.
Yeah.
I believe one of the uh uh women making allegations against him or a woman included in the case is an American woman, right?
Yes.
And it was the same situation where it was he, you know, the they he got his house raided before.
I could tell you the story on that one.
Well, but uh that's not so much I've definitely been interested in hearing that, but I just wanted to ask you specifically.
Do you think because he's like you say, there's a lot of hate against him, uh, you know, I I want to see where the case goes.
Could they try and extradite him to the US somehow for this with a human trafficking with an American woman involved?
Do you think that's the play?
No, not at all.
Because yeah, because um because she wasn't trafficked.
So uh so I'll tell you guys the facts on that one real quick, and then we can go into the United States potentially being involved.
Um that girl, right?
Basically was there at a party, and they have her on footage, right?
They have like 20 girls at the house, and and they had like a house party, and that girl was just there at the house.
Her boyfriend sees her at the Tate's house.
Hey, what are you doing over there?
Blah, blah, blah.
Her in a panic, oh shit.
Instead of admitting that, like, yo, you're probably cheating or doing something that you shouldn't be doing that your boyfriend doesn't want you to do, she goes and says, Oh, I I'm forced to be here.
I didn't want I I didn't want to be here.
I'm I'm here out against my will, right?
So the boyfriend, instead of you know, thinking logically and rationally, like, all right, maybe maybe she's just lying to me, whatever.
He calls the embassy.
And the embassy, right, gets this information, US citizen being held against their will by the famous Tate brothers.
Of course, they're gonna, oh, this is a press headline.
Let's do something about this.
So they call the Romanians.
Hey, we need you to go search this house, blah, blah, blah.
We got information that there's an American woman being held there.
Well, of course, the Romanian Romanians are gonna listen to what the American what the Americans request, right?
So they go and they search the house, they find out none of the girls are there, and they actually go back and look at the surveillance footage.
When they look back at the surveillance footage, they find out that the girl, not only was she was there, right?
Against uh uh, you know, willingly, was she there willingly and all having fun and partying with all the girls drinking, eating all this other crap.
Um, she ordered a pizza, left the house, got the pizza, and came back.
So they're like, what the hell?
So they didn't really press anything, right?
So that no charges, no nothing, but of course they had to go ahead and do an investigation because there was a serious allegation made, right?
So nothing ended up coming of that.
Now let's go and talk about is this gonna affect them statewide?
So I've done human trafficking investigations before.
And a lot of the times human trafficking investigations are very contingent upon victims coming forward and you know be you being able to corroborate that evidence.
From what I've seen with some of these women that have come forward or whatever, they have way too many ulterior motives to be taken seriously or be credible witnesses.
You know what I mean?
Because there's there's a lot to gain from trying to throw Andrew and Tristan under the bus.
I totally get what you're saying.
And I I think you know, I'm gonna I I really you know, I'm I'm I think everybody in the world is watching this case and just being like, where is this gonna go?
I don't think anyone even expected this to happen.
The news was just I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
But I guess I want to know obviously, you know, Andrew says, I mean, he said during his arrest he was being attacked by the Matrix.
Yeah, um, you know, I know you spent time with him, and I think you you know, I think you're making a strong case for for him not being involved in these things, but I guess it's it's more a case of like could they make it so that he would get extra for example, like that woman, I completely understand what you're saying.
You know, it makes sense to me.
If Andrew flew her from the US to be there originally, could they try and turn that around and extradite him on some because I don't know much about human trafficking law because you're the expert.
Like, I'm not saying uh maybe like we need to move the conversation away from like uh him being innocent to just like what could they let's say that the matrix is attacking him.
How could they is there a potential for for them to try to get him on US charges?
From what I see right now, no from what from what I see, because um, yes, she's a US citizen, but any type of crime that they're alleging typically is occurred in Romania, which is outside of the US US's jurisdiction, like there's not many crimes that they can prosecute you for outside of the United States.
Um, just because like I know terrorism is one, right?
So, like killing you US citizens foreign, right, through terrorism, you can definitely get hit with that, right?
Um but as far as trafficking, I'm not aware of any statutes where you can charge someone for that crime when it's committed abroad, even if the victim is uh is a US citizen.
Got it.
Okay, I'm and and and the other thing too is that her just off of the surveillance footage alone where she left the house and came back, proves that there's so I would say that case there's no way they'd be able to do that because she already proved herself that she's not credible.
If there was a statute out there that I'm not aware of, to be honest with you.
I feel like there's so many weird things about this situation, like like you say that I remember thinking like that girl that because I remember that story of like she got sent out to get pizza, yeah.
And then now there's this whole thing of like, oh, the video where he's got the pizza and the pizza.
Obviously, it turned out that the pizza had nothing to do with his being his arrest.
Yeah, not at all.
But like this thing with like there's pizza involved.
It's like bro, the the thing is just so bizarre.
I'm just like, bro, it's two different pizza things that like the girl went to go get pizza because she was at the party, and then the other one is when he was respond responded to Greta Thunberg, he had pizza boxes there from a Romanian chain, and they said that's how the police were able to identify him being in Romania, and in my head, I'm like, what the hell?
Stupid.
That's the dumbest thing ever because anytime you come into a country, right?
The country's going to keep a log of people that come in, and they're not Romanian citizens, so they're more incentivized to track them.
And the Tates, dude, the way they move, you everybody knows they're they're in there, right?
They they have their their cars, their compound, like they're they were celebs in they're like A-less celebrities in in Romania.
And that they were like that before the blow up all over the rest of the world.
So whenever the states are in you in Romania, they know, dude.
So like what for them to say, oh, they knew that they were there because of pizza boxes in the screen is preposterous.
I mean, from the background alone, you guys everyone knows that's his war room in his home in Romania.
So I I thought that was hilarious when they said, Oh, yeah, they discovered it because of a pizza case.
And it's just like, what the fuck?
Is it true that his compound is on Google Maps?
Yeah.
That's that's crazy.
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
Yeah, but he's a guy that seems to uh I maybe I maybe doesn't want his own.
If you go on Uber, you type in it literally says the Tate House and it's there, but he has security.
So if you try, they're gonna they're gonna fuck you up.
But no way.
But yeah, well, yeah, dude, it's it's literally you could go you could Google it.
I was shocked.
So I I recently re-watched the vlogs with Fresh and you over there, yeah, hanging out in the house.
I I I'm fascinated by him, you know, he's a fascinated guy.
I've watched a lot a lot of Tate content.
Yeah, but like, you know, that compound just is just this crazy place.
Like, yeah, it's got the red pool, got like the larder by the pool.
It's just this incredible place.
I mean, if you know, setting aside all the stuff with a case, like what is your experience of Just like being there.
Because that place, no matter what's going on, it's an iconic place in the world.
He is known for internationally for his mansion, his car collection, yeah, all that shit.
So, like, I don't know, what was it like being there?
It's really nice, man.
Um it's it's uh it's really nice.
And then like they, you know, shout out to Tate Brothers for opening up their home to us and fresh, and you know, and letting us stay there, and we spent a significant amount of time with them.
We're there for like two, three weeks.
Um, and it was it was awesome, man.
Like and this is why, like, when you get to know people, people might say, Oh, well, Myron, you're biased because they're your friends or whatever.
Listen, man, I'm a pretty good judge of character, and these dudes are the definition of character.
You know, they're men of their word, they do what they say and mean what they say, and they take the care of the people around them, you know.
They have uh entire staff that you know maintains the home and everything, and and you know, they know all of them by first name, they they they talk to them, they know their families, etc.
Like these dudes are not monsters whatsoever.
It's quite literally the opposite.
And I've seen them be polite and nice to women, even when they didn't necessarily deserve it, when they're being annoying as hell.
Like uh, you know, they're over like he's over here get girls' Ubers that were being rude.
I don't even do that shit.
Like, get the fuck out of my house.
You know, but Trista goes above and beyond to take care of any girl that shows up at his house, whether he likes her or not.
Hey, get home safely.
Here you go.
Bam.
Complete gentleman.
Him and him and Andrew.
So it was awesome being there, seeing them how they live their lives and everything.
The everything that uh you guys see in the videos is real.
They they definitely walk it like they talk it when it comes to you know, having a certain lifestyle, you know, the cars, the girls, etc.
Like girls run to these guys.
So I guess something I I'd be curious about is you know, what whatever happens with the situation.
It feels like for so long they've been talking about how much they love living in Romania and being away from this sort of you know, i in a way, like not having to deal with this kind of stuff.
That it sounds like he was having sort of issues in London when he he he left the UK.
Do you think he'll stay in Romania after this with the situation that's happened, or could you see him going, you know what?
I'm gonna I'm gonna switch it up now because of what's going on.
I think maybe he'll go to UAE, yeah, probably.
You know, it's it's uh, you know, he he recently bought a home there, really really nice house.
Uh he converted to Islam.
It just makes might make might make more sense.
And I think also him converting to Islam might have been a reason too why they decided let's go after Andrew.
Because I mean, Romania is a very um uh Catholic country or Christian.
I don't I don't I forget what it's one of the two.
So that could be a reason too, you know, because he used to donate a lot of money to the churches, uh, Andrew.
Yeah, interesting.
So that that could be a reason too.
Like there's just so many other like uh like outside factors where they're going after him where it's like yo, this is but I know it's bullshit charges.
Like there's so many other different things, his conversion, them being famous, them having multiple passports, them having money, etc.
All these things I think are the real reasons why they're holding them in jail for 30 days versus actually having like real solid evidence, you know.
So it is what it is.
I I I mean, uh this whole uh process, this whole thing is kind of pissed me off.
It fucked up my new years.
I didn't do anything, I just sat inside.
Uh, because really to be honest, uh like uh when I saw that video of him walking out in cuffs, it really bothered me because when you know someone personally and you see them going through this shit and being wrongfully accused, uh I can't describe the feeling.
It's like just this this this feeling of uh extreme rage and anger that I I can't necessarily put a word to.
Does it make you worry that like some shit like this might happen to you?
Or it's all this this sphere of men going against the grain and kind of uh being attacked.
Yeah, does it make you I mean, how do you feel?
Because you're uh I don't want to disrespect you, but you're kind of in this area where realm of people that are kind of hated online or attacking.
Oh no, no, you're being factual, dude.
No, and like you're right.
It's interesting.
I I like I don't really see myself as in that realm, but I have an interest.
I mean, I watch a lot of Tate content, I watch a lot of your content, you know, I watch all sorts of different people, yeah.
Academics has been attacked on a lot of different fronts over the years.
You know, he's somebody I really look up to.
Even Adam, uh no jumper, kind of, you know, people attack him on all sorts of fronts for sure.
And it's sort of like I get a certain kind of I get more kind of like this sort of reverse racial hate on the internet.
They call you guys culture vultures.
Yeah, yeah, all sorts of things.
Like no one that's caucasian can report on hip hop, apparently.
You Vlad Adam, none of y'all could talk about it.
You guys are culture vultures.
I can only make videos on rock and roll stories, they told me.
So I don't know, I don't know any of those stories.
So I'm not gonna do.
But I guess I mean this this, you know, not to not to bring the tone down, but like, do you worry some shit like that could happen to you or like the the you know, the matrix will send their agents?
I mean, that's a kind of dumb way of putting it.
But yeah, I mean it's it's always a fear.
Um, because to be honest, I think I say more offensive stuff than Tate.
You know what I mean?
I uh it always uh baffles me how they go so hard on Andrew when he said so many good things about women, saying they need to be protected, they need to be loved for, need to be your man needs to provide, you pay for the fucking date.
All this positive stuff about women, but then they go ahead and they want to say some stupid shit about oh, he's a massages, whatever.
Like he says way more uplifting stuff about women than anyone gives them credit for.
But for me, I'm like, well, you know, if I was to hit uh that that level of fame or whatever, they'd probably come after me even harder because I say I say stuff uh less uh less uh uh less polite than he does.
So yeah, man, I mean uh this is what I've come to realize.
I talked about this with Zuby.
Um any type of content that uh promotes masculinity, becoming a better man, or being more attractive and dating is always going to be looked at as like toxically masculine.
Because what I've realized is this anytime you teach a guy how to become more attractive or how to navigate the dating space, it inherently puts women in a very bad light because the things it takes for you to be attractive reveal extremely unflattering realities about women.
I'll give you an example.
Giving a girl flowers, being a nice guy and being a gentleman used to work 50, 60 years ago when women respected men in general, but in today's day and age, you do that.
Most women do not respect men in general.
So you have to do things and have dark triad traits that might paint you as an asshole for a woman to be aroused by you, right?
So um, even though uh excuse me, like maybe not being all on her ass, not texting her, not separate for her, not taking her to on expensive nice dates without you know vetting her first, all of these things, right?
Though true, put paint women in a certain light where oh, they just come off as goal digging whores.
I'm not saying that.
But what I am saying is that you have to move a certain way with modern day women that and when I admit, tell people this stuff, what it takes to actually be attractive, there's no way, there's no way you could beat around the bush.
It makes women look bad.
But the reality is that women are attracted to things that make them look bad.
That's the cold hard truth.
They're attracted to bad boys, they're attracted to the guys that don't give a fuck, they're attracted to guys that put themselves first over them.
Hell, they are attracted to guys like me that say women deserve less, but coming out soon.
But in general, um, this is why that this kind of content is hated so much, because uh we destroy the Disney fairy tales and tell guys what it actually takes to be attractive with women.
See that I find this so interesting.
So I've watched tons of your content.
Yeah, I've spent time in Miami, I've spent time dating in London, I've spent time in a small town in the UK.
And I sometimes wonder like, do you ever feel like your approach towards women is very urban, like big city focused?
Because I feel like in some ways, like Miami, it's the women in Miami are kind of similar to the women in London, but they're different to the women in like small town countryside type places.
For sure.
Do you ever feel like uh you know, those truths that you expose, which I think there's a lot of lot of truth to them, but do you ever feel like it's sort of almost like hyper focused to a certain type of uh because essentially right, what you're doing demographic of a woman and also a certain demographic of men, because you're it's almost like you're competing.
You're the types of women you're talking about and the type of man you are, you're competing in the NBA of dating, right?
Yeah, and in a way, it's almost like the fo the advice that you give, it's way more it's high-level advice, right?
Yeah, and it's almost like I wonder whether um you wouldn't get attacked.
I wonder whether you get attacked so much because it's almost like you're talking about the most extreme dating scenarios.
Okay.
And I think maybe from the mainstream, or even like because you got the internet, you've got people all over the world that maybe haven't experienced that or don't even know those those truths or haven't experienced dating at that extreme, concentrated variety.
And it's almost like, do you think that attracts more hate to you?
And even Tate, like, for example, Tate, it's like he basically reached this level of social media where he was so polarizing, everybody knew who he was.
There was no getting away from him.
Yeah, there's a lot of things to agree with, things to disagree with too.
And it was almost like he kind of flew too close to the sun.
And it was just like there was no way for him to continue existing, if that makes sense.
Yeah.
Do you get what I'm saying?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, because his message was so strong that they were like, we just gotta cancel him.
You know what I mean?
We can't we can't debunk his points.
Let's just cancel them.
Um I would say, so as far as like um the the content, like I guess like being for higher levels of dating.
No, for sure, right?
Like being in Miami, I've always said it is the Olympics of of dating and hypergamy.
But what I would say is that If women dated within their own classes, this wouldn't be a problem.
But the issue is they don't.
Okay, that's really right.
That's the hypergamy thing is interesting.
Because it's like the Olympics of dating.
That's such a good way of putting it, right?
Because I feel like it's almost like it takes both sides.
Because it's it's like you've got the men that are the Olympics of dating.
You're talking about high-level men, the guys in Miami that get in all the girls, they got the boat, they got all this stuff.
Yeah.
And then you've got obviously a lot of the women you're talking about, the high-level women, the most attractive women in Miami.
Miami seems to attract people flock from all over the country to come here and get that high-level man, right?
Yeah.
But I guess it what I'm trying to articulate is it's like I guess the reason you get attacked so much is because you're kind of talking about this concentrated type of dating, but then you've got women all over the country getting exposed to the content that maybe aren't participating in the Olympics of dating.
Yeah, and they feel like it doesn't, it's like applying the Olympic rules to them and they're playing in the amateur league.
Okay, and I like okay, that's that's a fantastic point that you brought up.
Well, see, I it wouldn't matter if we didn't have Instagram.
And and I and I say, like, and I'm gonna talk about this in detail in my book, how social media dating apps, etc.
have literally changed the game.
Like it has taken the dating game and flopped it on its head.
Because, you know, um maybe 30, 40 years ago, a girl would be lucky if two good guys came to her front door a year.
Nowadays, 200 guys can come to her door in a day.
So what that's basically done, right?
And they've done, you know, you could look at like the ice cream study where you like they take they show someone three flavors versus 50 flavors.
When you give them three flavors, they're able to make a decision, but when you give them 50 flavors, they're not.
And what's happened is that women have a kind of a paradox of choice, and though a girl might be average whore herself, the internet, people giving her attention, people telling her she's beautiful, etc.
via the internet allows her to if her ego gets inflated from that, and she thinks she qualifies and deserves more, right?
And and and I would say society reinforces that we tell girls that they're special, we tell girls that they can do no wrong.
I mean, whenever I say one of the most triggering things I say to modern day women is you're not special, and they all get offended by that.
But when I tell a man you're now special, they understand that, right?
That we're all fairly similar in what we bring to the table and our biological urges and what we want.
But like girls all feel like they're special.
Like I have 10 girls at the table, and I'll tell they'll all literally say I'm special.
Well, what differentiates you from her?
Well, I do this and this, and they'll describe a bunch of attributes that the other girl described too.
So nowadays, it's not necessarily that average girls aren't necessarily involved in like high-level dating, it's that they think that they can be involved in it, which is which is the problem.
I understand, yeah.
Uh, it's it's interesting because it's like I feel like when I started watching you guys to begin with, you weren't I don't think the content has changed, but I feel like the way you guys are perceived is more controversial.
It's got more and more controversial each time.
Like the first time I came out here, you were kind of having that scandal, you know, the whole thing where you were on Joe London on the shade room, the Asian doll thing was going on.
And I feel like it's been really interesting because it's almost like I think the same thing with Tate, where it's like often I think of him and I think of you guys, and I think is there a way to do the same kind of content, but wrap it in a way that it almost like can please everybody?
Like you could get the the women on side and get them to understand because it's almost like even like with Tate, it's almost like the way it's so adversarial against against women or towards women men versus women, like quite tribal.
Yeah, like I often wonder is like is there a way to wrap that up in a way that women could be like, oh, actually, I get that, or is the only reason that Tate and you guys have gotten so big is because it is so divisive.
Yeah, that's what triggers people like when Tate says, Oh, chicks can't drive so well, yeah, right.
It's like that's like skits in people's heads so much that it triggers that debate.
Even the people that disagree with them tweet about it, yeah, right.
And uh it's just for me, like I guess there's a more broader question about social media is it's like you know, even when like Trump was big, it was like the power of triggering people with things you say to then spark conversation on both sides, and it sort of makes you hated, but then it makes you big.
Yeah, like it's just something I wonder about a lot, and I often wonder to myself like is there a way of kind of like communicating these same points that you guys communicate, but in a softer way so that the women could take it on without being triggered and sort of see the good in it, because a lot of women listen to what you guys do.
I mean, I know women that like no, I get it, like they're on point, or even like you know, people that have been have been on the show and I've spoken to them afterwards, and it's just like no, no, no, I see where they're coming from.
Like, and now I've understood, like sometimes I feel like the best shows you have aren't the arguments, it's where you get the girls on and you kind of end up having a dialogue, and they kind of they get it a bit more, and then maybe they communicate communicate themselves a bit more.
Sorry to get off topic, right?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's a fantastic question.
So it's a two-part question here.
Is there a way to wrap it up in a more pleasing package that I guess they'll be able to digest?
The answer to that is no.
And and the reason why is because um what I've come to realize from interviewing now, I think we're at 1,85 different girls, is most women cannot understand uncomfortable, unu uh biological truths a lot of the time because it revol it it in it reveals unflattering realities about their mating practices, right?
If I say something along the lines of, oh, uh, right, and of course, you know, I'm not gonna lie here.
Sometimes I'll say things in a certain way where it's it's polarizing, right?
I one of my quotes is uh all women are gold diggers, some are just better at hiding the shovel.
Well, let's unpack that statement real fast before you know everyone calls me a misogynist.
When I when I say that, what I mean by is all women are interested in your ability to create as a man, some are just better at concealing that interest.
Some girls might say, I only date millionaires and be overt about it.
Other girls might say, I want a guy who's ambitious and and uh has drive, and they might be a little bit more covert about it, but does not change the fact that women are universally 99% of the time searching for a man that is going to be able to provide some kind of security for them.
It's just that they have to dress it up in a certain way so they don't look as bad.
And that is one of the biggest things about female communication is that it's covert to not reveal certain things.
If you think about like the feminine mystique in general, everything about women is done covertly.
You don't know when their periods are going on, you don't know when they're in heat, you don't know if they're really interested in you because girls don't necessarily approach men, they wear makeup, they're supposed to be a lady, they're not supposed to speak a lot.
Everything about femininity, when you really boil it down, is supposed to be concealed.
It's not really until modern day times with you know these city girls and girls coming on this podcast and stitching on themselves where guys are really starting to see and understand female nature.
So feminism is the best and the worst thing because it's allowed women to be empowered and liberated and speak and say and talk about the things they've been doing for decades, right?
That were typically held behind closed doors because they would be shamed and get the scarlet letter, but it's also bad because it's it's uh it's it's aware of men on their nature.
And if guys open their eyes and watch the podcast or look at other content creators that make this type of stuff, you'll start to see the big disparity between how men communicate and how women communicate.
And for most women, the reason why this message can't necessarily be delivered a certain way is because to deliver it properly, it has to be delivered in a matter-of-fact fashion.
And women don't like matter of fact.
Women like, well, matter of what about this situation?
What about this?
They always make arguments for the exception.
If I say something along the lines of women overwhelmingly want a man who makes more money than them, not all the time.
Like I dated a guy one time and I made as much money as Emma.
I supported him.
Okay, where's he at now?
Oh, yeah, you're right.
But they'll make an argument like that, right?
And bad faith, because me saying that women want a guy that makes more money than them makes them feel bad, makes them feel like a gold digger versus like what's real.
I it's I uh it's super fascinating, man.
I think, especially with the rise of Tate, I think we're in a in an age because obviously I'm on social media, I've got my channel, you know, I focus on the stories that I'm interested in, but I observe what's going on.
And it's like I think Tate really highlighted that like his popularity, especially amongst men that I know.
Yeah, he just says it, he he says it like it is, right?
He doesn't sugarcoat it.
That's what you guys do, that's what Trump did.
That's what Yay, well, I don't agree with a lot of the things that Ye was saying recently, but his thing was that he felt these things, he believed them, he said them and didn't sugarcoat it got and kicked off nearly everything.
Yeah, but he was just going going from the gut, shooting from the hip, saying what he wanted.
And it's it does seem like I guess we're in this interesting social media age where it's almost like the attention goes to the people daring enough to just say it how it is and say fuck anyone's feelings.
Yeah.
And I I just often wonder like, you know, is at the end of the day, is that the formula?
Is that the Trump formula?
He just said what he was he said what he felt a lot of people were thinking, and it it worked, and he went to the top, you know.
And it's like, you know, again, like not to get too derailed, but it's almost like we're in this weird social media era where it's like just Tate just said it straight up and he just went straight to the top.
And like, you know, maybe he maybe he said too many things and now they're off to him, you know.
Speaking the truth in you know, 2022 and 2023 that we're in now is is gonna be damn near illegal.
You can't really say things that are true if they offend people, because we live in a very soft society where people would rather be politically correct than be correct.
And that's the issue.
You know, they want to they want to go with feels over reels.
And um, that's why this message really can't really be delivered.
And and and the thing is I don't expect women to a lot of a majority of women to take what I say and actually listen and understand.
A lot of them just listen and get triggered and respond versus listen, understand, and come back with so that's why people love Fresh to Fit so much, because it's one of the few platform platforms where you see modern-day women talking to guys that understand the game and you see their logic being challenged and day in and day out.
You see that single lady, that that independence uh narrative be shattered night after night after night, uh from different women and they come from different walks of life.
Like we've we we have girls that came from fifty-five different I think fifty uh fifty forty-four states, fifty-five different professions, uh, like fifty different countries, etc.
So we bring a wide range of girls on, and it it dude, you know, I always say the software the the hardware might be different, but the software is still the same.
And and a lot of women believe in femin uh feministic type uh ideals that don't necessarily align with biological hardware.
They want to be strong independent women, but at the same time, they think that they deserve a guy who's you know on top of his game, etc., thinking that that guy wants the same thing back.
And the reality is men don't want masculine women that are strong and independent and combative, but women think they do.
Well, it's interesting because they I feel like there's a way of putting that to food to women that works.
It's really interesting.
I you probably saw the Tate uh Poe podcast panel.
Yeah, I didn't see it, but I I mean I I I I I know uh I'm I'm sure but go ahead.
Well, there was an older woman, uh an older woman on the panel, uh I think Auntie was her name, or that's what she went by.
But she was kind of like agreeing with Tate on a lot of points, but from this perspective of like I've been with my man, I think she said something like 27 years and on some just saying it straight up of like this is how I kept him, yeah, telling some of the girls like, oh, you're saying it wrong.
Yeah, is how I say it and her and Tate agreeing, and it was almost like damn, it was like one of the times where again I didn't agree with everything she says.
I agreed with someone, you know, there were a lot of interesting perspectives on the panel, but it was just kind of like, damn, this is like that was for the first time I was seeing almost like yours or like Tate's content, but wrapped up in a way that like you could see women actually like understanding something from it.
And it's just super interesting, man.
I mean, I'm I know we're getting off topic for for FedEx, but like no, that's just so interesting to hear like all these different voices that are emerging, and it's the things I feel like it's the things that go against the grain that really stand out these days.
I get a lot of messages from married women that they watch the show with their husbands and everything else like that, and uh or girls that are in long-term relationships, and yeah, but it's funny.
Like the girls that it grew me nine out of ten times have a boyfriend or are married, like they have some some signific, like significant counterpart that takes them seriously.
So it it's it the girls that hate me the most typically are like indoctrinated feminists that think that men and women are equal, but girls that like are actually in relationships with men that they love and respect, they understand where I'm coming from.
I feel like that's the value of the show.
Like, I mean, I mean my girls think more fresh and fit, and it's like, you know, sh she likes some points, I like some points.
Maybe there's a little argument's dialogue, yeah.
That's the that's the fun part of it.
And I feel like in a way it's almost a shame that like you know, there's a thing on social media to like shut things down, or she'll just be like, oh, let's, you know, we we don't like the vibes of this.
So I mean, I don't agree with you on everything, but at the same time, it's all about having a dialogue.
Like I'm open to listening to any perspective.
Yeah, and like you say, I mean, I've had some some great conversations just off the points of this show and watching the show and talking to people about things that have been said, and it's like I just think conversations important, man.
You shouldn't be able to you shouldn't be forced to not say things.
We should all be able to just be open and have conversations about things.
Yeah, deplatforming is never the way to go.
And yeah, you know, obviously that's that's what they did with Andrew, which is ridiculous, you know.
And I foresee in the next five to ten years, like, yeah, we're probably all gonna have to be on Rumble.
Man, they it's gonna be a completely different landscape.
You know, hopefully there's still space for everyone on somewhere.
Yeah, you know, no, for sure.
Should we hit uh I know some chats came in before?
Shout out to all you guys.
I know we've been chopping it up and stuff like that.
I'll read some of these that just came through.
Uh I know some that probably have some questions.
Uh let's see here.
Shout out to all you ninjas.
We got here.
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Uh what holster do you use for your Glock and do you carry uh with one in the chamber?
Always carry one in the chamber.
We call that duty carry, and I use a filster and I also got insane kydex.
Hey Martin, it's stupid that rappers are beefing and killing each other over petty things.
Definitely the most dangerous profession out there.
Yeah, it is, especially nowadays.
Uh, and that's from Ramon Vargas.
Hey, what's it like serving a search warrant?
Were you like kicking the door in or in the stack mostly?
Uh Mang ENT.
Uh yeah, I've been at the top of the stack.
I've been the one with the with the with the RAM, you know, I've done all the different things, but bro, it's not as exciting as you.
Well, I mean, some people love it, but for me, I was like, you know what, dude, I'll put this white team and let them do it.
Like, I'm I'm more concerned with like Focusing on the case.
Like, I would be there waiting for them to bring the guy out to me, and then I'd take him to the to the building to go interview him.
That's what I was concerned with.
Because if you're there on the scene serving the search warrant, like you can't interview the suspects like you want.
Uh and remember, as the case agent, you're responsible for like you know getting it information.
Try vision, ah, and then uh $50 chat.
My G. Shout out to you, man.
Drunk Russian goes, hey Marin, I was wondering if you could all cover the Idaho Four Murders on FedEx.
I don't know if you heard of the case.
I have, I will cover it.
Don't worry.
Uh hey Marin, will you ever cover the Idol shooting?
Okay, yep.
Dan's producer productions, got you.
Yo, Mark, can you break down a little how you were able to land internship in 2010?
Also, did you plan on doing the series on what you need in a place to become an 1811 special agent?
I can't do that.
Uh done uh basically I got the internship, guys.
I went through the co-op program at Northeastern University.
I got the internship with uh Homeland Screen Investigations, that's how I got on the job.
Uh, if Matrix uh does step three, what we doing, uh wait till Rumble, okay.
That's from Jack Force and the Melli's boys tried robbing him and he got caught off guard.
There were shotslash exit patterns from both ends of the car.
Snake shit happens often, sadly.
I mean, we don't know that, but I mean, uh, from Issa, but regardless, uh, they're gonna look at it as premeditated murder because he took all those steps to conceal it, lie to the police, and um, you know, come up with some kind of cover story shooting the the vehicle, etc.
So that's why they're hitting him with pre-meditated murder, which is murder one.
So oh good, we're gonna did it.
Okay, uh good.
What about you, bro?
You've been asking me all these questions.
Yeah, man, ask me whatever you want.
I don't know what should be.
How do you enjoy your time in in uh Florida?
Bro, I love it out here, man.
I'm trying to live out here.
This is amazing.
Yeah, I know.
It's just the weather is beautiful, the people are lovely, kind people, friendly.
I don't know what it is, because I feel like I always say to people, like, oh, Americans, especially in Florida, I'm like, they're so friendly, and they're like, No, they're not the friend.
I think it's my anime.
People treat me good with the accent, right?
Yeah, because they're like, okay, we got a British guy here, we gotta treat him well.
They rock with me, man.
I don't know, they think I'm some sophisticated on some like Prince Harry shit.
Yeah, but like, I don't know, bro.
It's just so nice, man.
I love it, love the weather.
There's a lot going on.
I'm recording with you, I'm meeting new people.
Like, it's lit, man.
So low key, I'll I kind of want to be out here.
Well, what made you like uh well number one?
Well, what's your favorite video that you researched?
Oh man, that's a great question.
My favorite video I researched.
The FPG Duck one was done really well, by the way.
Man, that that's got to be one of my favorites.
I think a lot of the Chicago stuff, yeah.
Chicago research is phenomenal, man.
Yeah, thank you, man.
I I think for me, obviously, as we were saying earlier, it's kind of like um the discipline that I've fallen into was just you using all of these different ways to kind of research these stories, using clips from social media, using the song lyrics, using the music videos.
It's so interesting.
Like you say, like you said with the Meli case, a lot of circumstantial evidence coming together to build a story essentially of what happened that day.
Yeah, and I think for me, I just try and look at everything.
Like if I'm covering an artist, at least at the stage that I'm at now, I listen to basically damn near every song, every album, every mixtape that they've done.
And 6-91 was very good too.
Thank you, man.
Yeah, we'll use those two for for two of my broadcasts.
Those were fantastic.
I appreciate that, man.
Thank you.
But yeah, that's the thing.
It's like for me, it's like I'm deep in the game now.
I've watched a lot of stuff, I've researched a lot of stuff.
If I listen to it, like the FPG Duck story, for example, I listen to all of Duck's music, all of Vaughn's music, read all the news articles, and at certain point you begin to piece together a picture, and then you start listening back to the songs, and you're like, it's another clue.
Yep, another piece of info.
You you look at all of the social media posts that that person did in their life, and you're just like, it all connects.
And at a certain point, you're like, This shooting happened this day.
Oh, well, what did he post on Instagram the day after?
Oh shit.
Even just even just a little comment that even just sort of alludes to some shit that happened.
Once you build these things into a timeline, you just begin to realize that like yo, this actually is a good thing.
Like if you look at Taker to the O, he literally was just that was the music video was like duck.
Yeah, and I say in the music video, I think there's a close-up shot of the phone ringing and it says duck, yeah, right?
Yeah, yeah.
And then it's like then you plot like at what point in his career was he making these songs?
Yeah, and it's like it wasn't that long after that that they actually caught that, caught duck and did that shit.
Yeah, but another uh maybe my favorite intro, maybe my favorite video to research the Jacksonville video that I did, the who I smoke.
Oh, yeah, that was good too.
If you remember if you remember when that song Who I Smoke came out, absolutely I do it was huge because nobody could believe that those were real people.
It was like these guys on the golf course with the classical music, you know, they're hitting the golf balls, and then the beat switches, yeah, and saying, you know, what I see you want my like and it's just like that was crazy in itself.
Then when they start talking about who I smoke, B all these names, yeah, Lil Nine.
Those are real people.
And for me, it was like the moment I was like, are those real people?
Most people that I knew at that time when that song first came out, they're like, Oh, I know real people, I don't know what whatever.
And I was just like, I wasn't even gonna cover it.
But then I was like, let me just let me just look up these names.
And then before I know it, I'm reading a bunch of articles.
And then I'm like, let me go listen to all of Thullio's music.
I'm hearing a bunch of other names.
Yeah.
And you know, I guess to a point where there's just like dozens and dozens of names.
And I think for me in that with that story, it was just like every time I heard a song, it was like five new bodies, honestly.
And you know, I'm not trying to glorify it or glamorize it, but it was literally just a case of like, let me listen to Fulio's catalog.
And damn near every song I was uncovering a new murder.
You know, and to me, that's then he came out with When I See You, which was a response.
It's it's just funny how they took old songs, right?
Um, like uh young and ace took uh um thousand miles.
Vanessa Colton, that was it.
Right, yeah, Vanessa Carlson uh Thousand Miles, and they made a this song out of it, the you know, dissing dead ops, and then Fullio took Fantasia when I see you, right?
And he and he and he did it in a graveyard, bro.
And he had the pictures of the guys that died, yeah on it on it from the news.
Like that was a I don't know what what copy shop you got back to that.
Yeah, they're they they might have to catch a stray for even pretty much because that was fucked up.
Like, yo, like it, and and here's the thing too, with like, and I guess we could this where we could like transition to like the emergence, like the the difference in hip-hop is like when I was listening to hip-hop and and you know in the 90s and the 2000s, like you know, you had a diss song, you know, right?
You look at like uh Jay-Z Takeover, ROC, we're running this rap shit, right?
And then Nas, you know, goslin across the belly, I'll prove you lost already, right?
It was very competitive.
It was I'm better than you, I'm you're trash, MM murdered you on your own shit, blah blah blah, right?
And Jay is talking about how Nas is a bum, all the shit.
So, like it was very competitive back then.
Now it's not about being competitive, it's about when I find you, I'm just gonna kill you, bro.
I don't really care about competing about that.
I don't give a shit because lyrics don't necessarily have the same oomph that they used to have.
I remember like if someone was trash, right?
You would roast them for having shitty lyrics.
But I would are I would say the era that changed everything was the early 2000s when Crunk became popular, right?
That was a good era, man.
Crunk was fired.
I I have no mixed feelings about it.
Oh, come on.
Because this is my issue, right?
And people might get mad at me for saying this shit, but I'll say it anyway.
The Krunk era ushered in the watered down hip-hop that we have today.
And what I mean by this is what Krunk did was it made hip-hop where it's like, oh, this is music we can dance to, this is music we can actually play at the club and party to, right?
So that kind of like was the stimuli from which we have the mumble rap that we have now, the uh, you know, the um lean rap that we have now, like it's more about creating beats and having people party versus like lyrics, meaning, etc.
Like nowadays, if you're like a lyrical rapper, nobody gives a shit about you.
They're like, ah, well, who cares?
So um it kind of it it kind of uh uh how do I say this?
It I don't want to say it's stupefied hip-hop, but it watered it down a bit to hit a larger audience so that it can hit the clubs and hit the radios for more spins, which is cool, it is what it is, but um if you look at music from you know the 90s and the 2000s, right?
When lyrics still mattered to today, there's a drastic difference.
Like it's the the quality doesn't even come close.
And um, ever since early 2000s with the with Crunk, the South has taken it over.
They never gave it back to these coasts.
Little John, then you got T.I. blowing up early 2000s, then you got all these artists coming out of Atlanta, and then Florida made uh a big stand in 2008 with like DJ Khaled, Plies, etc.
And the big thing between the South, why I think the South took over over New York, and I'd like to get your opinion on this, is that the South actually worked together.
I remember Calla was uniting rappers all over the place, right?
He was uniting dudes like Wayne, Baby, uh Akon, they were all doing fat Joe, all these rappers were working together.
Meanwhile, in New York, you got 50 Cent arguing with Cameron, you got the diplomats breaking up, you got um Nas, right?
Um, having issues with certain rappers saying rap is uh uh rap is dead, uh hip-hop is dead.
So in New York, it's always been very, very competitive, and artists don't really work together like that.
Everyone hates each other, but when you come down to the South, they're like, Oh, we're gonna take over, we're gonna work together.
And Atlanta did that, and Florida and Miami did Florida did that.
Obviously, now you got more beefs in Atlanta because now Atlanta's taking over, but when they were first coming up, they all worked together.
You know, Welcome to Atlanta remix, where they had ludicrous On there, Jermaine Depree, all these guys, right?
Nelly, everybody.
The South worked together, and that's why they were able to take over hip hop.
Bro, this you know, there's a lot of good music coming out of all corners of America.
But yeah, the South really dominated.
I mean, that period when Atlanta became the the Hollywood of rap, I guess you could say, like, I mean, it's ridiculous the amount of artists that came out of there.
Like 2004.
I guess the interesting thing is that it's almost like you say with Crunk.
I mean, I love I mean I haven't I love Kerr, but like back then, but you're right.
Uh don't know whether I'd say stupefied it, but it made it simpler.
It made it made the music more of like an emotional response experience rather than you you didn't have to think.
Yeah, it was just a feeling.
Like, you know, some of those old David Banner Krunk songs when it's just like he's just got that song, or it's just like a in the call like one of the classic, or like the one I can't remember the name of the song, but he's in a club fighting.
It might just be called KO.
And I can't say the lyrics because there's a few N-words in there.
But like you're just saying, we gonna knock out like just it's literally it's like it's just like this is a song I'm gonna go through trying memorizing.
I could play it afterwards, but um give you buck.
Yeah, they they play that shit.
You leave bro, yo, you get the hell out of the club as soon as they play that shit, you know.
Uh and then also dance music, right?
You had Soldier Boy with the with the you all, yeah, and then you know, uh crank that right, yeah.
Crank that was another one, yeah.
You know, like all like the the emergence of like dance songs, you know.
I never scared, like yo, that's like that.
This is what like moved hip-hop more to like the front lines where they're playing it at the clubs, like because there was a lot of dance music.
But uh, in a way, though, I feel like it opened up hip-hop in more of a way as like it made it more commercial.
Because let's be real, a lot of whilst a lot of big artists came out of the East Coast.
I mean, you know, Jay-Z, Nas, like some of the biggest artists that we've seen, 50 Cent.
Uh maybe 50 Cent kind of helps, but it's almost like no one's throwing on an old Jay Z. No one's throwing on Ilmatic in the club.
It's just not happening.
No, hell no.
But like, hell no.
You could still throw on some of these crunk songs that would go off in a cloud.
What's your favorite song on my favorite song of Phil Manic?
Man, represents a good one.
There's so many good ones.
New York State of Minds, New York State of Mind is my favorite.
Well, that was so good.
The beat's crazy.
DJ Premier on the beat, man.
Oh, Ill Mad's just Ilmatic's a perfect album.
Yeah, Ilmax's a perfect album.
Life's a bitch.
Life's a bitch is a good one.
Wait, wait, uh Life's a bitch, and then you die.
That's why you get it high.
Because you never know when you're gonna.
Poetry, like those, those each of those songs, it's like I mean, that literally that song Life's a Bitch, like, bro, that's like we've all felt that, you know what I mean?
And that life is fucking like that sometimes.
And it's like that is music that makes you think, but you could never play it in a club.
But in a way, these songs, you know, like a pimp, just sh fucking just throw it on in the club.
It's just girl.
I want to see girls, I want to see Ars shaking.
Yeah, I don't give a shit about the the complexities of living in the projects in New York.
In a way, I feel like that music has so much value.
And I feel like that, you know, Atlanta.
It's a lot of it's like mood music.
I mean, you even think about people like Outcast, or even like you know, when when like he had Andre 3000 doing songs like Hey Yah, it's a dumb song, but then it touched so many people because it was just a feeling, like that feeling, yeah, positive vibe music.
And uh, you know, I thought like that was always what Atlanta was good at, and in a way, I think it's almost like you had so many artists come out of the Atlanta like people like the Migos, where it's sort of the music is kind of dumb, and it's just but it's like a vibe, it's just like trapping, yeah, riding in your car, trapping, trapping.
It's just all about the sound in a way, it's almost like it doesn't really matter what they're saying.
The ad libs, whoo, yeah, you know, like it's a vibe, and I don't think the scene, like yo, the original ad level was fucking uh young jeezy.
Oh yeah, ad lib everything, you know what I mean?
Yeah, let's do it.
Like it was the original ad lib, or him and Jim Jones, bro.
Ad lib everything, you know.
Um but uh and then obviously I I think uh Reasonable Doubt was probably reasonable doubt in the blueprint of Jay-Z's two best albums, in my opinion.
Yeah, uh, my favorite on blueprint is Renegade M. And then uh on Reasonable Doubt, I think I like uh feeling it and then Dead Presidents, Dead Presidents.
Nas on that, right?
Which I think that was a part of the reason.
You know what?
I'm gonna go out.
Uh Reasonable Doubt, couple good songs, not like Illumatic shits all over Reasonable Doubt in my opinion.
Reasonable doubt, it's like Jay Z finding soon.
Well, actually, nine because you don't even count that back then, guys, right?
Back in our day, uh the first song almost always was a skit.
It wasn't a song.
Um, and then Dr. Dre's um The Chronic was actually a fantastic album, too.
Yeah, 2001's a great album as well.
Uh Dr. Dre, you know, for the for men, remember all those years where it's like Dr. Dre's gonna drop detox, new album coming in.
It never came.
But I gotta say, Dr. Dre'll never be able to replicate that sound, dude.
No, no way, but um he's done so well.
He he he's left a lot of gaps between his albums, and he dropped when he does drop an album it perfectly encapsulates that era like the chronic so different from 2001 because that was like the era when he discovered MM he's got a few MM verses on the album he's got exhibit he's got all these different West Coast people it they just capture these perfect little moments and it's kind of past its time but even that album he did for the straight out of Compton soundtrack it was almost like captured this more new school flavor of LA and it was just like man uh Dre's just a genius bro like the amount of careers that he's touched and the amount of like the role he's played in hip hop man
fucking yeah i never looked at him as like a like a top tier rapper or artist i always looked at him as like a behind the scenes producer that just creates hits we had a lot of writers working for him too right so it was almost like in a way people never really gave dre the respect as a rapper yeah because it was sort of that whole thing of like does he write his own stuff he's like he's like like i would put him like i mean obviously he's does laps around him but i would put him in like the same category as like a jermaine dupri uh timberland like these guys that
like, you know, are responsible for a lot of the artists that you've accomplished.
to learn and love.
I'm not saying they're on the same level with Dre, obviously.
It eclipses all of them.
But those are guys that rapped, but they were behind the scenes making shit happen.
Jermaine Dupri, you wouldn't have a Bow Wow without him.
People could talk as much shit as they want about Bow Wow and Jermaine Dupri, but you wouldn't have all those hit songs from the early 2000s without him.
But yeah.
I don't even know if Timbaland still does stuff, but Timbaland was critical for merging pop and hip-hop.
To this day, I think A.O. Technology was a very first of its kind.
With 50 Cent and Timbaland, you got a gangster rapper doing a song with a top pop artist on a song and it actually sounds really good.
50 Cent was one of the first to really do that.
I thought it was a really good song.
People don't give 50 Cent enough credit to talk a shit about him.
But if you go back to that era when 50 Cent was popping in the club, and going back to what you were saying earlier about music that is just about the feeling and it's dumb, in a way, it's like in the club was like the perfect, the perfect balance between it's just a dumb song.
In the club, Battle for the Bud.
It's dumb as fuck.
But then also it's like, but then it's 50.
The Dre beat is just hitting so hard.
Of course.
He's a gangster.
In the music video, it's like they're bringing him back to life from being shot.
It's like you couldn't escape that song in 2000, what, two or three.
You could not escape it.
You could not escape that song, dude.
It was everywhere, I remember.
But it's like, when you think about successful rap songs, I feel like the, you know, the greatest songs that are successful commercially, I feel like they're the songs that are so broad and maybe dumb, but simple to the point of just like 50 Cent in the club.
We've all been in the club.
Yeah.
We've all been there in the club.
And that song is literally, you put that song on and it's like, yes, I feel like in your brain, you're like, I'm in the club.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like the value of creating a song that simple.
I mean, it's even like, you know, you've got songs like, I mean, like, was it Usher?
Yeah.
The song is called Yeah.
We've all been in that feeling when you're like, you know, you hit the club, the beat starts and you're like, yeah, like this is my moment to say yeah and fucking get into some shit.
And I think those simple songs that really just capture human emotion at their rawest level, they're dumb songs, but they're they end up being the most successful songs because they just speak to people on a level beyond language.
Sure.
We can throw on a Jay-Z, you know, 150 bar hard, deep, introspective rap, but that's not going to move you as much as in the club literally changes your emotional state as soon as you hear it.
Of course.
And I think I got to give a little didn't mention him he was one of the few rappers that kind of like made that people take the South seriously because um oh Dow South rappers are stupid blah blah blah Wayne was like no we we could rap too and he and he definitely I mean if you look at like um all the drought mixtapes um you look at his I I can't believe he never released that album I can't feel my face with Joel Santana I wanted to hear the album so bad so he had a couple songs off it leak right and it was hard.
Yeah.
My favorite song off of that one is Step Into the...
Damn it.
It's called The Dark Side, I think.
I can't remember the specific one.
I'm trying to remember the name of the song.
There were a few songs off it.
He goes...
Damn it.
Someone...
Step Into the Bad Side, I think, is what it is.
Someone in the chat is going to know it.
With that mixtape.
I Can't Feel My Face.
But it was with Wayne.
That was great.
They never released that, though.
bangers on there I think Wayne is probably my he's definitely mine he I feel like he's the greatest rapper of all time and I think he the way he was amazing is that he could do both.
He could make songs that were just like a party hit.
But then when you drilled into the lyrics, like for example, lollipop, okay.
It's a sexually charged song.
She's so s like he's so sweet, she wants to lick the rapper.
Yeah.
And it's like it's it's like it's a club song.
You don't, if you don't listen to the lyrics, it's still a sexy strip club kind of song.
But then when you actually listen to what he's saying, she wants to lick the rapper.
It's like a candy, she wants to lick him.
And then it's like Bados in the club, and his singing, auto-tune rapping is on point.
Yeah, bro.
He's the guy that can do it all.
I think Wayne is the goat.
And he's got so many songs in his catalog.
I mean, even a Millie, right?
The song Amelie, it doesn't even have a chorus, it's just a melee.
And it's just a song.
He's just sort of freestyling all these different things, but the song it's like about success, it's about making a melee, being a millionaire.
And it's just like, bro, this guy, he doesn't even write shit down off the top of his head.
He just created this these songs that like could communicate a feeling, but then also the lyrics were deep and always on point, bro.
I think Wayne's the goat.
Yeah.
Okay.
You can make an argument for him being greatest of all time.
I I uh my favorite song, uh man, there's so many.
Uh I like all his mixtape stuff.
I mean, he did the upgrade you freestyle off off the Destiny's Child.
Um, he used the sky's the limit, uh, went on there.
Uh you know, um, probably in the uh probably in the in the ocean swimming with the with the pigeons, or probably in the oh shit.
Fuck uh it's you see, my world is different, like Dwayne Wade.
And if you want trouble, bitch, I want the same thing.
Okay, and then I'm trying to remember the lyrics, and then other things too that I really liked was the only thing on the mind of a shark is eat by any means, and you just sardines.
I got that 40 cal, yeah.
You said it's a lot, bro.
Even the even the dumbest part was like real G's move in silence like Lasagnes.
Yeah, like just crazy shit like that.
He's just in there smoking a blunt, coming up with this in the booth, bro.
The guy's brain is just incredible, and it's always hard.
100%.
And and and I know a lot of y'all, oh Drake, uh here's my thing.
I I don't think I've ever shared this on air.
I'll share it.
The reason why I I will acknowledge that Drake is a musical genius.
He's gonna go down in in history as one of the best rappers to ever fucking do it.
I'm not gonna take anything away from his accolades.
But the thing I dislike about Drake is that Drake has ushered in this pussy era of men that we have today.
He is the soundtrack to these soy boys that we currently have in modern day society.
He made it okay to cry over girls to be a simp.
Oh, why don't you return my text?
All this other stuff.
So it's not necessarily that I don't think Drake is a fantastic artist.
I think this I still think to this day, Thank Me Later is one of the best albums I've ever heard.
His first album.
However, I don't like the cultural implications of his music, so that's why I don't necessarily listen to it, and I'm not that much of a fan because I think it's soft.
But I think also a lot of his music is for girls, it's actually for women because it's not I think it's not about teaching men to cry over girls, it's about a song for women to imagine a guy crying over them, you know what I mean?
Yes, Drake is a big reason why girls run around and say be vulnerable to me because it sounds good, and you would accept that vulnerability from Drake, but you would not accept it from your boyfriend who works at McDonald's, but they think they will.
And and Drake is basically made he's fooled both men and women.
I get it, right?
Because I I he he for him, it's like, oh, I'm gonna make the money and I gotta go ahead with the emotions to do it, which is cool.
And he's appealing to both men and women.
He tells guys it's okay to be a soft bitch, and then he tells the girls it's okay, uh, you know, for you to for me to simp on you, right?
And girls think that they deserve this entitlement of men simping on them, but I just don't like how Drake ushered in this whole era of dudes being pussies, right?
And being soft.
Meanwhile, you know, you got back in early 2000s, uh, I'm making a real I got better.
You know, there are degraded chicks all over the place and shit like that in the early 2000s.
But yeah, I mean it is what it is.
So do you do you just never allow yourself to be vulnerable like that?
I just don't like music that's like soft, man.
This this is why to this day, like modern-day hip hop, oh my, what do you listen to now?
I listen to New York Drill a lot if I'm gonna listen to hip hop.
Honestly, that's that gym music.
Yeah, you know, I'm listening to two two G's, I'm listening to Coach The Ghost.
Oh, we didn't get to talk about that yet.
Yeah, yeah.
Is there an update on his case?
I've not been following it, but he's uh he was in a jam, not too weak away.
We honestly, I got the indictment.
We could pull it up if you want, but like uh, but he basically is facing a federal firearms case.
Damn him and uh who's the second uh I forgot the name Blindskin guy.
I forgot it's you know, I've been out of the New York scene for a bit, so I'm a bit rusty on the New York stuff right now.
Yeah, but I'm bigger than I'm gonna be.
I mean, Tutu got arrested too for attempted murder, and he got out recently.
So um, but yeah, I like he's one of the hardest man.
Two two G's, I think he's even though he's big, I think he's underrated because his music is so good.
He's so consistently hits with his music.
Like, bro, some of those songs and the beats that he chooses, next level.
Yeah.
Um, yeah, to all GD rappers are like blackballed, bro.
It's it's fucking it is what it is.
Like, you know, Coach the Ghost, 22Gs, etc.
Like, um, they're a black ball.
And the crazy part is is like I'll listen to a 22G song and then I'll put on some pop smoke right after, and I'll just go back and forth.
I'll put on some coach and then I'll put on Safavio.
Like, I like both camps.
Like, I think they're both uh uh great, but you know, it's just sad because you know they're literally like you know they see each other, it's like on site.
There's so many politics, man.
It's a shame because the the music coming out of both sides is so good, and it's just like bro, there's just so much to be gained, but at the same time, bro, the politicians.
If you like pop smoke, there's no way you're not gonna like two two G's.
Yeah, if if if you like uh K flock, there's no way you're not gonna like coach the ghost.
Like it's it's very similar, right?
I know Bronx show is a little bit different.
They use more um, they don't use the UK drill beats as much, they use more like uh samples of old songs, etc.
But it's all very similar.
And and it's with K Flock, by the way, too.
Um I think he he might he has a good chance of getting out.
He's a rapper that I don't think is fucked that bad.
It's looking better for him.
Yeah, it's definitely looking better for him.
But you know what?
It's just like the dude had a gun.
The dude had a gun uh that that that he shot and killed.
And um, and and and I and I run I broke this down on my thing if you guys want to go check it, but like in the surveillance footage, you can see the guy like reaching kind of into his thing like this, walking up to K Flock, and you know, a reasonable person would suspect, like, yo, this guy's trying to kill me, bam, I just shot him.
The uh, but I think the thing that they might get K Flock on is the firearm possession because New York has really good strict gun laws, and I'm not sure if he's a felon.
Man, I can't remember.
I can't remember, but obviously, you know, he was into a lot of problems.
He was on social media running around saying he was chasing for ops, so they might try and make an example out of him, you know.
Yeah, and it's like bro, he was so talented.
I mean, he's so talented.
It's one of those things where it's like if he gets out, he'll be like the new King Vaughn, he'll be releasing album after album, it'll be crazy.
Yeah, or you know, they'll hit him with whatever they can, he'll be stuck in, he'll be another push I see.
We won't hear from him, and it'll just be you know, the next person will come through.
I mean, I don't know.
I can't believe that Push I see case.
I broke that one down too.
Yeah, bro.
Like he literally.
All right, this is how bad this the push I see case was.
He literally wanted sneakers and weed.
He hits this guy up, right?
I want sneakers, I'll get you another one.
I want sneakers and weed, right?
He meets the guy, he has exotic rental cars, dude gets in the car, he pulls out a Draco, points at him.
Hey, leave the sneakers and the weed there, right?
And the fuck guy's like, wait, what?
So and mind you, he had like 40, 50k in cash with him at the time.
Just buy the just buy the sneakers of it, bro.
And and it and uh it was like some Jordans, right?
And the dude that he robbed rented him the cars.
I didn't know that detail.
Yeah, Jesus.
So so uh so so and and also they committed the the robbery, like the PlayStation was down the street, it's like across the street.
And it was all on CC TV.
So so they fucking, he's like, no, blah, blah, blah.
Shootout ensues.
He shoots at the guy, hits him in the ass, and hits another guy, and they flee off.
When he runs off, they dropped the backpack that has like 40k cash in it.
They were able to trace the serial bills of the hundred dollar bills to you know how he likes to fan out the cash.
Money challenge.
He was doing the money thing, he likes to fan out those bills.
Well, that didn't work out too well because he had an Instagram post with that with that money with that same bag, like like fanning it out like this.
They were able to see the serial numbers on there, trace it back to the scene, the surveillance footage, the witnesses, etc.
Bro, he could have just paid for it and not got in trouble, and then boom, since he wanted to go ahead and rob a guy, right?
At gunpoint, and it was in the middle of a drug trafficking uh uh, I guess a drug trafficking offense, they were able to hit him federally with uh drug trafficking while possession of a firearm, and they hit him with um the Hobbs Act burglary or robbery because he robbed them violently.
Bro, he he was genuinely too shisty for his own good, right?
Like literally one of the biggest L's I've ever heard.
Back in Blood was the biggest song in the country for a minute.
It was it was everywhere, yeah.
It was everywhere, and like, bro, he would he was he was in line to be one of the big dude, one of the proper big dudes, and it was just over like that.
And I guess that's one of these that's a case of he was really from the streets, he got famous too quickly and just didn't have time to adjust.
There was really no way of him not shooting people, basically.
He was shooting, he was just shooting.
It perplexes me because he had the money to buy it.
And and the other thing too that made the case federal that a lot of people don't know because the FBI actually went and got him.
I read the criminal complaint.
The thing that made it federal was the guy that he rented the car from and uh bought was trying to buy the sneakers from was had an online business.
So like since he had like tried to do the transaction through the internet that affected interstate commerce.
No way.
That kind of allowed the feds to kind of come in as well.
And then also the fact that he was committing a uh uh a drug uh he's a drug trafficking offense while in the possession of firearm.
That's automatic like federal felony.
Bro, I mean it is it really is like one of hip hop's great L's that yeah, he he fucked that up because it and it's also it's like he was young as hell.
What was he like, 20?
He's like 21, 22.
Bro, and it's like the all all the world's eyes are on you.
You've built up this reputation of a shisty dude, you're a real dude from the streets, you're a real shooter.
Yeah, but bro, it like threw it all away, bro.
He had the opportunity of a lifetime, man.
It it's actually tragic.
I it's dumb.
Everybody at 1017 is Big Scar passed away, right?
Overdose.
He was fire, man.
I was very big fan of him.
And then uh oh, shout out to Chris.
Appreciate you.
Um Chris, can I get a monster too?
Uh and then um, right?
So you had Big Scar, right?
With with uh he just passed away.
Uh you had the other guy, I forget his name, but he's in jail.
Fugiano.
Fugiano.
Yeah.
Yep.
He cut the bracelet off and he's in jail.
Push I see jail.
Uh who else in 107.
He got another one.
Hasn't he just had an artist get get a case or something recently?
Like very recently, like past couple days.
I don't know.
Someone in the chat's gonna put it.
Yeah, let us know.
Someone, someone in the chat's gonna put it.
But yeah, man, it it's it's crazy, bro.
Uh what's going on with with uh with all that stuff.
And then the young Dolph situation, too, which I'm gonna cover that as well.
Bro, I'm just gonna go.
What are your thoughts on that?
I was a huge I mean a huge fan of young Dolph, man.
I mean, I covered his before he passed away.
I covered his his beef with uh with Yo Gotti pretty extensively.
You know, years of back and forth in between those two.
I mean, I you know, obviously there's still a lot going on.
That case hasn't actually like gone through with the Dolph, yeah, it's still going on.
Christina went to Memphis and uncovered some stuff.
I'll tell you some stuff off camera.
Oh, hello.
It's still very active, dude.
Bro, it's just tragic, bro.
Obviously, I mean, for me, right?
Like, you know, I I'm I'm on the internet, I see the footage, the footage of him, like you know, laid out in a store, people filming, it's just tragic, bro.
Because he really was like a once-in-a-generation artist, bro.
His catalog is amazing.
He was a great rapper.
His music's so motivational, just fire.
He just didn't deserve that.
And he never struck me as one of the sorts of dude that I mean, I guess, you know, like you know, he's got his tool bus shot up and stuff, and and yeah, they're a gunning for him.
Yeah, but at the same time, like I just didn't feel like I don't know, bro.
It just caught me off guard.
I maybe that's being naive, but like, bruh, just so many good artists, bro.
I mean, I was the biggest pop smoke fan as well.
Like, if you know, Pop Smoke dying suddenly.
I remember I was in the car, my friend told me oh, Pop Smoke killed in a home invasion.
I was just like, What?
I was just like, what the fuck?
Like, bro, like I've just listening to him.
Yep.
And like Pop Smoke is why I don't do Airbnbs anymore.
Hell no, bro.
Fuck Airbnb's.
If you're if you're like a somebody, bro, you can't do Airbnb's, man.
Fuck that shit.
Hotels, dude, only.
Well, that's the thing, because they, you know, obviously, apparently a picture he a picture was taken in front of the Airbnb.
But you know, I've seen other stuff that suggests that it they were just they were hitting up Airbnbs and it happened to be that Airbnb.
Yeah, so and he also uh he got some, I think he got um some designer delivered to him, and the address was in the uh in the picture, and they were able to see that.
And yo, LA is crazy, bro.
Like, I I I'll I'll be honest, I don't like Los Angeles like that, man.
Like anytime we go out there, we go in and get the hell out, man.
It's extremely dangerous.
BNB rock situation, it's run by gang culture, yeah, right.
Like, if you don't know the right people, is is yeah, man.
I'm good.
I prefer Miami, bro.
For sure.
Um then again, my own school.
I don't know if you I think I sent it to you on Reddit.
There's a new subreddit, my rack, which is basically the Shiracology of Miami.
Oh, okay.
Oh, yeah, you did be that, yeah.
I hope it doesn't turn out like LA.
There is actually there is, yeah, especially with Broward County.
Broad County is not sweet, man.
For real.
Yeah, it's this is a lot of the girls that come on the show that be act the ratchet, they'd be from Broward County, bro.
They're not from really.
Yeah, Chris, you know what I'm talking about.
Facts, yeah.
Pompano beach and shit.
Like, nah, man, I'm good.
Oh, that's where Kodak's from, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Which is crazy because they have one of the biggest Brazilian populations.
Very diverse town or city.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Yeah, man.
I wouldn't think that, but not trying to get into any of those sort of problems out here.
Yeah, and they also have an immigration uh facility over there too.
I used to go there all the time when I was agent because like anytime someone would be held for immigration purposes, I wanted to like try to get an informant like over there.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Uh okay.
So you go over there, you sort of scoop up a little informant.
Yeah, so you can, man.
Hey, bro, you don't want to get deported.
I know you're involved with this crook.
Hey, what time is it?
Damn, that's the wave.
That's the wave, man.
That's it's actually a really strong incentive to get people to cooperate with you.
Is uh you're gonna get deported back to your country.
You haven't been there since you were two years old, bro.
What do you want to do?
I hear people saying some of some shit about that's how the 21 Savage stuck around in the country, but uh I think I might be capped.
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, with him, he might have a case because he was here since he was a child.
But immigration proceedings take forever, dude.
Like, it's because it's not criminal.
It's administrative.
And a lot of times, you know, you get bond, right?
Because they don't want to hold you in immigration jail.
It's very expensive, right?
So, you know, those things take years sometimes.
Which you're looking at like, oh, who gives a fuck?
I'm good.
I'm just chill.
Well, I feel like, I mean, America is the land of money kind of fixing all the problems.
When that whole thing happened with 21 Savages, I immigration I just thought like man he's surely just got to get a top immigration lawyer yeah secure the bag they just uh sort out the paperwork but I don't know maybe it's I feel like becoming an American citizen or getting American paperwork is is pretty tough.
yeah he has some arrests so i don't know if he'll be able to get natural i mean it's strange i mean that immigration is the biggest reason why i said the tory lane's case is a big deal it's not because he's going to do a lot of time it's because they're going to he's going to get absolutely get deported after this yeah we're going to ship him back like shine 100 yeah yeah oh yeah shine did get the point yeah yeah man yeah he landed on his feet though he's like dad's like the prime minister or some shit yeah yeah he's chilling in beliefs and i think diddy to this day still takes care of him financially i hope so
yeah i i i somewhat i i don't know where i heard it but like diddy does right by him because to be honest it
should be diddy that went to jail bro we all know that uh you know so they had like j-lo in the car yeah that was a crazy story yeah bro like shine definitely took that gun charge for diddy bro 1000 everybody knows that diddy was involved in that shit as well that's a real one right there yeah we all need a shine on the team 10 15 years something wild like that but shine the interesting thing is like before that kicked off shine was the next biggie like you know he had the yes he was he had the voice voice like yeah people and he was diddy's eyes they were saying he was the next diddy and then literally in a heartbeat bro on shit switched jail boom oh god yep
he definitely that was that was a whole other thing and then um what about ysl man what's your thoughts on that bro he's cooked yeah he's looking cooked yeah it's not good here's the thing 300 witnesses bro is that how many there are that's what they said bro that's like probably exaggerated but it might be 100 though bro that's like a sports game 300 witnesses that's a whole crowd that's not witnesses that's literally a crowd bro yo yo man bro here's the thing i was talking talking to somebody about this before i came here today yeah the craziest thing about the thug case right because
i covered this before he got locked up back in 2015 when the alleged you know the murder from the indictment happened yeah he thug wasn't really rapping as much about street shit like i went back and listened to a lot of his old music he's talking about i'm a stoner like it's not so much about street stuff not so much about sliding and it seemed like he allegedly got away with his involvement in this murder or
whatever and then just got brazen and as the years went by we're talking 2016 17 he's getting bigger in the industry it's only as he got more successful that it seemed like he started rapping about you know we shot at this guy's mom you he's got artists that are rapping about oh we killed your OG like all this stuff and it's like as he's getting more and more successful more and more brazen you know I'm sure that he got to the point you know 2021 he's just just like that he probably forgot he even was involved in that shit.
Yeah you know the legend dude I look at the indictment they they were looking at it since 2013 dude well incredible that's the thing you know in my video that I covered on it it's like before they were YSL they were the rocked with the rock crew uh the the call like rocking on Cleveland or something like that.
Yeah that's where he's from the Cleveland Cleveland Avenue and it's like you know there was a big I think in 2011 there was a big indictment on the Cleveland Avenue gang right and it was like just bro like how do you I obviously it's it's hard for me to comprehend because I haven't been in those street situations.
I'll throw my hands up and say you know I it's hard for me to comprehend what it's like when you're actually born into an area to a situation where you're being enticed into gangs.
But I just feel like at least for Thug, it was, and I even expressed this in my video, it hit a certain point where it's just like, you've got to leave that behind and focus on the music.
He was in the industry, big artists, you know?
Like I say, there's that footage of him with Nut, the guy that got killed, and Birdman on a yacht.
Like, yo, this is Nut, he's one of the biggest bloods in America.
And you think, bro, you're already on the yacht.
Like, how are you getting all twisted into the dirt and people are dying?
And then you're, you know, it's coming back to get you like seven years after the fact.
It's just like, bro, like how?
That murder is what sparked everything.
The murder of Peanut in 2015 is what sparked the fight with YFN and everything else like that.
then also uh I don't know if people know this like they they got thought as is the dude that ordered little bay little Wayne's Torbus to get shot at.
Man, that's another crazy story, you know.
But then that's that's like starts implicating, you know, you got kind of Birdman in the mix and shit.
And it's just kind of like, bro, this this stuff gets twisted.
But I think they want Thug hard.
They want to make an example at Thug.
100%.
And you can tell Thug spent years flexing on the Atlanta police.
They hated him, bro.
He was flexing private jets, driving crazy nice cars, like just being a menace to the community.
They want to put him away for sure.
It's personal.
Yep.
For sure.
Yeah, that DA, and the other thing too is that um the district attorney that that got sworn in, like, she was real big on like I'm gonna clean up the streets.
And um, you know, this is how they want to do it.
They want to go after all these Atlanta gangs, to be honest with you.
They've been saying for a while, like, oh, Lil Baby's next, LPF's next, and it's just like, man, and you you think about the level that he's got.
I I would say Lil Baby, has he surpassed Thug?
I don't know if you uh maybe you could say that.
Uh yeah, yeah, and popularity, you mean yeah.
I I would uh Little Baby to me now uh nowadays is like the modern day Wayne, like as far as like being everywhere and like be getting on any song and like he did like the World Cup anthem and shit.
Like it's just like still being like yeah, still I I mean I don't know if he has the same takeover effect as Wayne did back in like 2008, 2010-ish, but he's definitely doing what Wayne did back then, where he's like jumping on everybody's song, yeah, giving a verse, he's still lyrically sound, etc.
So Wayne reminded uh um Lil Baby right now reminds me of Wayne and like oh wait, but I think Wayne did it better.
Well, I think the thing about Baby is it's like he he he's street, but he still has a lot of commercial appeal.
Whereas I feel like Thug, he had a few big songs.
I mean, his biggest song was the feature he did on that Camilla Cabello song, Havana, right?
Which is like very out of character for Thug.
He didn't want to do the song, but I feel like baby's just got more of that street but works for commercial appeal.
Whereas Thug, you know, he was the just like the sort of street weirdo that had some commercial hits, but well, street stuff has made a comeback.
Yeah, and in my and my like like uh it used to be, I remember like you know, 04 to like 2008, 2010, like that street shit wasn't like yeah, it was like more club music, etc.
Like, I mean, hell, even in the into the 2010s, if you think about it, like street rap wasn't like a thing like that.
You had the Kendrick Lamar's like who you know, in that era, the Big Sean's whatever, like these guys are the ones that like took over in the early 2010s.
I wouldn't consider them street artists.
I feel like there was a big shift when it was sort of like you had Kanye coming through, and then he kind of like he duked it out with 50 cent, and 50 cent was almost like the 50 cent wave was sort of that that sort of last echo of the street yes rap.
It was like oh, he got shot nine times, he made he kind of made it a bit more commercial, and then it was sort of like Kanye took over, they had their battle, and then like you say, you know, bringing through people like Big Sean and stuff, and then but it's like man, I per this is my theory, and I know a lot of people disagree with me.
This is quite controversial theory, but I think ironically, it was 6'9 that brought real gangster rap back because before he was a snitch, basically him being the rainbow head guy, but he was a real blood and they were really shooting at people, and they were gonna pop Chief Keefe.
Like obviously Chicago drill was a huge wave, but it didn't it didn't go completely mainstream.
Like you couldn't say Chief Keefe was a mainstream artist, yeah, really, but like you know, now that Dirk is in 2010 12, he broke into the mainstream and like he exposed the world to Chicago drill, but it kind of like dimmed at that point.
But it but the funny thing is it took Kanye putting him on the I don't like remix to bring Chief Keefe to everyone, right?
Yeah, so then it was like but Chief Keefe was never a mainstream artist, whereas now street music is number one, Lil Dirk is is right at the top of the charts.
When Dirk did that song with Drake, that was sort of the moment where everyone was like, Oh, he's from the wreck, but he is you know, I think that was a number two building.
So you would say you so you think Dirk did more for Chicago than than Keefe.
In the mainstream, yes, you think so?
Chief Keefe's the pioneer, but I feel like Dirk is like he's the one to the he's like the 50 cent of Chicago drill, you know what I mean?
You know, that's a good argument.
Um because I I I remember when Keith blew up, I was in college, and that's when I because here's the thing.
So I stopped listening to hip hop in like 2009 because I started to get angry with all the the the watered down stuff and Drake was starting to take over.
I was never never offended.
Drake's era was like oh nine.
So even to this day, but this when he started to pop up, I stopped listening to hip hop.
I was big into EDM.
What made me come back to hip-hop was Chief Keefe in 2012 when I heard out like I was like, finally, yeah, we got some fucking like you know, aggressive music again instead of this other stuff.
Because no offense, I know some of y'all might get mad about this, but I didn't really like Kendrick Lamar like that.
I Didn't care about Big Sean.
I don't I didn't listen to any of these artists, bro.
Like I was like, if I want to listen to that type of shit, I'm gonna go listen to MM.
You know what I mean?
I I think MM is the real deal.
You want to listen to lyrics, go to MM, right?
Um, or I would listen to Nas I listen to Jay Z. So uh and I know a lot of people I love J Cole, whatever.
I don't listen to none of them.
Sorry, guys, I'm too old, right?
And then Chief Key brought me back in because I liked it because I like that drill stuff.
Then I uh you know, I was not listening to that stuff for a bit, and then you're right, bro.
I mean, I ain't gonna lie, 6ix9ine brought me back to to New York hip hop too.
Before people could talk shit about 6ix9ine, but yeah, before, but he was making bangers.
I mean, Billy, um, CUDA, um, all of his songs that came out like in 2017, 2018, which is bangers.
He was on a roll, bro, song after song.
Oh, Bobby Schmirda too.
Bobby Schmirda broke me back.
Oh, Bobby Schmidt.
It was short-lived, it was short-lived.
He was too real.
Like, yeah, Chief Key brought me in 2012.
Bobby Schmurta came out 2014.
You're right, yeah.
I I started listening to hip hop again.
He got locked up immediately.
They they didn't wait long.
He was in jail like a year later, right?
Him and Rowdy.
And then I didn't make a return of hip hop again until you know what, bro, that's a good point.
People hate 6ix9ine, but yo, he did bring it.
He brought the gangster shit back.
He did bring it back.
And I feel like he kind of he peeps what worked for Bobby Schmurter, and then he was like, I'm just gonna build this persona and do this, yeah, even though I'm not really a blood.
Yeah, and it just all worked, and then it was ironic because it felt like then he was beefing with Dirk.
I mean, he was on IG Live This and FBG Duck.
Yeah, I think ironically, his fake blood persona, and the songs were genuinely good, brought more shine back to the real gangsters he was beefing with, saying he was gonna shoot at Chief Keith, gonna fucking beef with all this stuff.
Because he went after all the the drill artists that cemented their legacy before him.
He did.
And then I think the funny thing is when he got when he got his case, which was huge news, and then when he got exposed as a snitch, then everybody gravitated towards the real dudes, and then when you got to 2018, it was all King Vaughn era because Vaughn was speefing with 6ix9ine for a little bit when 6ix9ine was out, but then all the attention shifted to Vaughn, young boy, real gangsters making commercial music.
I was anything has changed since then.
Yeah, you know, you you're right, dude, because people forget as much as people talk shit about and know some of y'all saying like Kendrick and J. Cole in the chat or whatever.
Yeah, guys, I didn't listen to that whole era of rap.
I mean, I don't I sorry, like from the in 2010s, I didn't really listen to those guys.
Um, I'm sure they're great artists, but I don't know enough.
Um that like that whole area is blank for me.
I was too busy listening to EDM back then.
TF story shit.
Uh yeah, uh I love EDM too.
But anyway, um, with 6ix9ine, when he came back out, um, when he when he came out with the stuff, people forget, right?
They want to call him a snitch all the other stuff.
If you go back to his music videos, everybody that he was around was verified.
You know, he was there with Mel Murder, he was there with like high level five-star bloods.
Like he was that that's why people really that's why I used to talk the way he did, because he was around the top dudes in in New York City when it came to to the bloods and the Billy's.
So and on top of that, like New York is not like um like LA or a lot of these other places in New York, they have alliances, like bloods and there's bloods and crypts, they go fight other bloods, right?
So um in New York, it was all about neighborhoods, right?
That's why like you look at like the woo and shit, right?
Pop was a crit, but there was a bunch of had a he had a bunch of friends that were bloods, and and they they went after the GDs, they aligned.
So the gang life in New York is a lot different than in California.
It's like um certain sets deal with certain sets regardless of fly color just because of who they're they represent more neighborhoods.
So um, so yeah, 69 definitely put the light back on New York for New York drill, which opened it up, right?
For uh, you know, people like Tutu G's goes to pop and pop smoke, obviously was popping too at this point.
Well, no, when the Pop Smoke really popped off like 2018, yeah.
Well, the the he's a funny on the same time, yeah.
Yeah, because he was an interesting one because he kind of had a lot of overlap with the UK drill scene, right?
Because he was rapping on the UK beats.
He he did that song Welcome to the Party, which got a big remix from Skepta, who's like, you know, yes, one of the biggest in the UK, as far as grime goes.
And so it was like he had this really great movement that was this sort of like American gangster shit, but with these UK inspired beats, and it was kind of welcome to the party.
It's a party song, yeah.
But it was some gangster shit, and it was just like this amazing wave, but yeah, it was that 2018 was like the peak of the peak of pop smoke, as far as like you know, like the all coming out and stuff.
Yeah, but I think yeah.
Six night came out 2017.
Was it 2017?
I think Billy came out in in 2017, 2017, and CUDA and stuff.
I mean, we could look it up real quick.
Because his run was like quite short, but it was very short because he he was in prison by November of 2018, if I'm not mistaken.
End of the year, yeah.
Because I remember he came out with Dummy Boy like a couple of days before he went to jail.
I feel like did Gummo come out in the end of 2016.
I could be wrong, but Chris, can we search it real quick and you go to the couple of things?
Type in Gunmo 69.
I'm if I had to guess, I'm gonna say Gummo came out like nah, maybe oh shit.
Maybe it was 2017.
Yeah.
With the blicky with a stiffy up.
That was such a hard song, bro.
And he comes on with a rainbow hair, all the bloods around him.
It's like it's like who I smoke.
You know that moment when Who I Smoke switches from they're playing golf, classical music, to then it's like, I'm gonna show you your shit.
Like that was the same for Gummo.
It's just like with a blicky, uh, and all the bloods rainbow hair didn't make any sense.
And it's just you can't.
And you're like, what the hell?
You have to go.
There was no, but there was no disputing it because the people who was with were all verified, you know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah.
And it was it was it was undeniable.
Okay, let's see.
Five years ago.
Yeah, five years ago already.
Oh, October 2017.
Yep, yeah.
So yeah, so he popped off before Paul Smoke did.
Look at it, just like bro.
Like, the guy's got rainbow hair, he's got six nine tight head, the bloods are out.
There's a bit where they've got all the weed on the top of the car.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's like pounds of weed.
It's that shot you with a gun out.
Yeah.
I've watched this video so many times.
Forensic analysis.
You can see uh sh uh shoddy right there, right?
But yeah, bro, like I mean, this was this this was uh So you answer me this, right?
Yeah, would the feds look at the weed.
Yeah, look at the weed.
Would the feds that worked on this case?
Would they have had to sit and watch this over and over again and analyzing everything?
Oh, yeah, bro.
I'd be I like yeah, I would uh I made a joke about this.
If you type in, type in uh Casanova real quick, big ape, uh Chris.
Like, I'll show y'all like how how feds go watch music videos, right?
So, like this video, I'd be pausing and I'd be looking at who's who identifying each person, and then I already know, bam, that that dude's the gang member, etc.
This one, they actually used this music video in their case to identify people.
Oh, bro.
Uh, for Casanova's case against uh Gorilla Stone uh apes.
Yeah, right.
So you know what I mean?
Like, yeah, like you know, you yeah, Casanova was sort of like the real version of 6ix9ine.
Yeah, but music.
I I there's a few Casanova songs I really like.
And he definitely he definitely didn't tell.
He's doing that 20 plus he's a real ass.
Did he get sentenced or is it still ongoing?
Uh, I think he's getting I don't know if he got sentenced yet.
But I know he played guilty.
Like he's he's like, you know, they're saying it was like from him just being in group chats and on Instagram talking to the to the members and shit, like bro.
You you know, once you get on in music, you really do have to completely separate yourself from that stuff.
Yeah, and the thing is is that Casanova was in uh is in I would consider it like a middle high position, right?
Where he was like right underneath the the big dudes, like the big dudes for these guys was a guy named Dick Wolf.
Right when I looked at the indictment, who was the the main blood out of uh out of New York, the like the top dude.
So, but Cass was like maybe two or three levels under him.
So, right, but he and he I guarantee you they tried to get him to probably talk because he was in a perfect position to be able to provide information, yeah, because he's high up enough to know what the hell's going on, but at the same time low enough where they can get guys higher than him, which is exactly where 6ix9ine found himself, which is why 6ix9ine was able to negotiate such a great uh deal because he was high enough to be able to but high enough to know enough and low enough to help them get people like Mel Murder and all these other guys that are really the top dudes.
Well, that's the interesting thing, right?
Because it then in contrast to the young thug situation with 6ix9ine, there was genuinely real gangsters at the top of the pyramid.
They were actually trying to take off the streets before 6ix9ine was even involved.
100%.
Whereas with Thug, that kind of guy is the guy, basically.
Thug is the guy, and then that's where and also it's a state case too.
So, you know, and they've been they they've been going after him for a while, you know what I mean.
The police are always gonna feel some type of way if you like ridicule them or make fun of them.
And and I mean, let's be honest, man.
His lyrics are brazen as hell.
Uh shot at his mommy and he no longer mentioned me.
But I was like, what the fuck?
Like, bro.
It's it's it's almost like you gotta wonder what was going through his head when he was in the booth of like, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna say this stuff.
Like, I'm gonna say I show his mom because I did shoot at his mom, and doesn't mention me anymore because he doesn't.
It's like what's the thought process?
Uh excuse me.
That's just one lyric.
Like when I went through the indictment, I did a whole thing on this.
There's several songs and lyrics that they're using as against him as evidence.
Well, it's not just thug as well.
The artist's like, yeah, go, he's got hella, hella lyrics where they're talking about we smoked your OG, like we we did this, we did that.
Like, Bro, like the and and as well, it's like you can't you can't build the label around the criminal gang, and then it's like the same dudes that are the shooters in the gang of your signed artists and shit.
Like it's bro, you're like at a certain point, you just have to be like, I've made it out the streets, I'm gonna sign some actual artists, not just not just the shooters, like and that's and that's the thing nowadays, is like it's all about like signing guys that are real, but hey, when you sign people that are real, well, you're gonna face a lot of real problems, and and they're gonna be in jail and everything else like that.
You look at like 1017, all of them are a prison.
Bruh, you know what I mean?
Well, Gucci Main went through that, so it's sort of like he took that template for his success.
You know, I wonder if it's lucrative, to be honest, like signing these artists that go to jail and owning their catalogue and making the money while they're in jail.
Pooh Sh, he didn't get enough recording done before he went to jail.
I feel like if he had the two or three more mixtapes in the can, he'd be sitting comfy.
Yeah, it'd be all right.
But just that one hard mixtape that he had, and then like I've just had to c keep that on repeat because no more shicty music.
Yeah, there's yeah, nothing.
Yeah, and and that's yeah, it's true.
And there's a couple artists like that that are like, you know, probably facing Rico indictments are gonna go to jail very soon.
I mean, Hot Boys in that same thing, yeah, man.
Where they got the the thing, but he is putting a lot of music out.
Oh, bro, you got that's the thing, man.
When you know that those charges are hovering over your head, you better drop a mixtape every week.
You're like Kobe Bryant when when he was going through that case, uh, you know, the dude was dropping 80 points every night, you know.
I mean, granted, he was innocent.
We all know that because that girl was capping, but yeah, dude, it it's it's just wild shit with with hip hop.
It's it there's a magnifying glass on hip hop now more than ever before.
Thanks to the internet, it's more violent than it's ever been before.
I mean, I remember when it was just used to be music, bro.
It's no longer just music.
Yeah, at all.
It's it's true crime mixed with music now, the drill stuff.
And let's be real, is very interesting.
It is, it is.
You can't I can't stop listening to the shit.
It's like this murder music, it's so bad.
Fine, but it exists.
It's a good thing.
Chicago started it.
I would say Chicago started it when they said fuck a Tuka gang.
What's this?
And then bam, that just opened the door for dissing Dead Ops.
Yeah, right.
And then uh, and then I would say Bobby Schmidt took the torch and continued it.
Uh Mitch caught a body but a week ago, we go.
Like it uh throws his air on the hair out of the thing, and it was real.
Like if they really did get Mitch really, I guess really did catch a body about a week ago.
And then that's where it's like, okay, now we're gonna start blending the street shit with the rap shit.
And then bam, next thing you know, you know, you got people like young and age disynops, you got foolio the synopsis, um, and all real shit.
Like, yeah, you homie got smoked all about that.
Was unheard of, bro, back in the day.
I remember Gucci Mane was really the first person to do it when he talked about young G Z's guy getting killed.
Yeah, and everyone was like, Whoa!
Yeah, what's wrong with you?
Granted, Gucci Man had a good reason, right?
That he got robbed, three dudes broke into the house and he shot and killed one of them, and one of them was young G Z's guy.
And at the time, him and Young G Z had an issue.
You know, there's there's debates that like junk young G Z offered them 10,000 to kill Gucci, right?
But uh regardless, like that, I remember that was like very taboo, like, whoa, you actually killed someone and you're talking shit about the dead.
That's unacceptable.
Nowadays, it's like ah, let's pull on uh let's put on a Miley Cyrus beat.
Fuck it.
Hey, that's what that's what's coming next.
Yeah, bro.
That's the Disney drill and mixtape.
Yeah, dude, it's it's it's a different era, man.
It is a different era, it has changed significantly.
Now it's out there, you know, with the internet, social media, etc.
And you know, clout was everything nowadays, like they they want Klaus, so they oh yeah, I killed him, yeah.
You know, and and and yeah, King Vaughn definitely has a bunch of bodies, bro.
Uh everybody knows this.
You know what I mean?
Like, I'm not condoning it.
Let's stop the violence.
But at the same time, if you if you're doing the violence and you're rapping about it, we're gonna listen to it.
I'm gonna we're gonna be looking up the street scene you said you smoked an op on.
Yeah, because this is the modern age, this is the internet.
Um you can't talk about smoking somebody and have not people not look it up.
Like this is the age we're living in.
Of course.
And and uh, and I mean now a lot of his stuff is coming to fruition.
I mean, they pretty much had him as the main suspect for KI, right?
They could put it, they put it out after he passed away.
Like, yeah, we we he was he was the main guy that we think killed KR.
The Vaughn story is particularly crazy because it's like he was supposedly the guy that was putting in crazy amounts of work in the streets, but allegedly killing numerous people, but then rapping about like he had this he clearly got this enjoyment out of rapping about it, you know.
It was almost like he was going so close to the line as far as like hinting that he did these crimes, and you know, the the twist at the end of the tale, bro, like it's crazy that you know he died in completely unrelated situation, never got to face up to the to the consequences of stuff he was allegedly involved in.
And uh, you know, I think I I often wonder about you know the people and the families of the people that Vaughn allegedly, you know, had something to do with killing, and it's just like, man, do you know what must that have felt like hearing all that music and the charts, you know, billboard charting songs about these situations, bro?
It's it's tragic.
Like that's true.
That's true.
Like he literally, like, you know, the like Chief Keefe made a career off of saying fuck Tuca.
Yeah.
Right.
And uh a bunch of other guys too, right?
Like uh, you know, Dirk and and uh and Vaughn, you know, we still took it in my lungs.
I'm like, God damn, bro.
He died like 10 years ago.
Y'all still talking about this?
He was like a kid.
It goes, it goes to show like the deep seated hatred between O Block and Um FBG.
It was just it was it's like bro, they literally hated them.
And the crazy part is like, yo, they're a couple of blocks from each other.
You know what I mean?
And it's Von was like, yeah, we keep a scorecard, all this other stuff.
So and and the thing is too, uh, you know, I think it's very interesting.
I watched a lot of interviews of people that knew Vaughn and speak about him.
And one thing that I've noticed at every single interview he says about Vaughn is that yeah, he was he was about that shit for real.
He was crazy.
7 a.m.
He's talking about let's go out and drill.
Yeah, what the hell?
You know, like and and you know, normally if one person tells you something, okay.
Let me see here.
But when multiple people say the same exact thing in different interviews at different points in time.
Bruh, he was he was about that life.
He did that shit.
He probably has the most bodies of any rapper.
Of any rapper.
Bruh, they that that like actually like made it.
So someone will come through and do because it's people are incentivized to do this shit now.
That's the craziest thing.
I'm not condoning it, but it's like someone will come through and do worse because that's just how it works.
You know what I mean?
Someone out there's probably got eight bodies, and they're just like, you know what, time to start that rap career.
Stocked up.
That's the age we're living in.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it it's wild, man.
I mean, uh, I mean, he beat that what that murder case where he clearly was a shooter, but the other guy didn't want to cooperate.
Yeah, you know, uh Malcolm Stucky, I think that was it, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Bruh baffling.
Like, I don't know, Chicago PD.
Don't know what they're doing.
Yeah, dude.
I don't know what the fuck they're doing either, bro.
That's why the MBI had to step in on that FBG shit.
And they stepped in because they he killed them in a terrible area, like they killed him on the go.
Bro, okay, listen, y'all want to kill each other, go do that all black.
Dude over here with the Gucci store.
Nah, man.
You know what's crazy?
The amount of time that they got away with that for.
It was like, cause that happened, and I think well, I forget.
I want to say that was uh Yeah, they didn't come back and arrest them for a while.
It was August 2020 that they killed Duck.
And then Vaughn died two years later, and they didn't arrest them for like what, over a year after Vaughn died?
I guess because they wanted Vaughn.
Wait, no, didn't Vaughn die that year?
He died a few months later.
Yeah, he died a few months later, November.
He died in November of 2020.
But it took didn't it take more than a year for them to pick up the guys for doing it?
Yeah, it took some time.
It took some time, but the feds Rico case always take long.
And then also I'm sure Vaughn getting killed through a wrench in their system.
Yeah.
Cause uh uh I was talking about this before.
Um, if Von was alive today, he would be the primary target of that Rico case, 100%.
I just sometimes wonder whether they'll try and tie Dirk into something because he's having a lot of people.
He's hanging with all the same guys, you know.
Oh, dude, they're definitely trying.
I I would not be surprised if there isn't an open FBI case right now on Dirk for racketeering.
Wouldn't that be uh surprise whatsoever?
Well, they dropped the attempted murder charges that Dirk had with Vaughn, him and Vaughn caught that attempted murder in Atlanta and they dropped that.
And it makes you wonder like, are they dropping that to catching with something bigger down the line?
Or is he that can be done?
I'll tell you this, that could be done because I've had it before where um because you can't charge someone on the same crime in two uh into uh federal and state.
Right.
So a lot of the times if I had a stronger case, let's say I'll give you a simple example of this.
Someone gets caught with a gun in possession, right?
A felon of possession charge.
Well, every state has a felon and possession statute, right?
But there's a federal one.
I would have to tell the a the ADA, hey, can you drop your state felon and possession case?
We're gonna charge him federally.
They drop theirs, and then bam, now we can hit him federally.
So it might not be a good thing that they drop that case in Atlanta because they can go ahead and say, No, we want to describe that as a pattern of racketeering in this overall thing.
Because well, Rico, all they really got to do is show that there's a pattern of crimes and furtherance of the gang, which in this case the king is gonna be old block.
They've already established that this is a gang that has uh recognition, etc.
They've identified members, whatever they they could they consider it the enterprise federally.
So I mean, it could that could be a component of it where they have a case that building a case against them and they need the state to drop that so they can go ahead and put it into their federal thing.
Bro, if Dirk caught case, the bit they've got Dirk caught the big one, that would be the biggest story in hip hop for years, man.
Yeah, bro.
I'm a big Dirk fan, so hopefully not.
But yeah, and and and then yeah, and they're all BDs, so that's that's easy, right?
It's under the gang of the gangster disciples umbrella, so you know, black disciples, gangster disciples.
They're they used to be one, but they split off.
It's serious, man.
Hopefully not.
Uh not guilty and I'm filthy, did he?
And then uh think about that blind controller.
And then uh most of their lingo comes from undertones of Atlanta trap culture.
You have to demonstrate hospitality as well as dark try to hustle effectively.
And then three diglits, Hanson, M M B O P changed the game for me.
I don't know who that is.
I don't know.
I don't know what that is, Chris.
That's uh, you know, cut off his song.
Okay, fair enough.
Uh uh, anything else you want to hit, man, or we wrap this thing up.
No, man.
This has been fire.
Thank you for having me, man.
Thank you for showing me love.
It's so good to come to Miami and link up and see the scenes.
I think the people really enjoyed it, too, guys.
Just shooting the shit.
Bro, it's been lit.
So hopefully you'll be back again soon.
Yeah.
Uh guys, all his links.
I'm gonna put them below.
Subscribe.
Could we pull up his channel?
No.
Sorry, sorry.
Here it is.
Oh.
That doesn't look like something I'll be listening to.
What the hell?
Oh man, that's hilarious.
Yeah, guys.
Uh Rogwa Ross, guys.
Great content, man.
A lot of the stuff I'll probably cover because a lot of them asked me to for Jacksonville stuff.
I'll probably cover uh that, and I'm definitely gonna use his video on that.
The best documentary by far.
Thank you, man.
On uh on the Jacksonville situation.
There's a lot of new updates on that.
I mean, young and Ace even watched it.
Uh yeah, man.
Ace watched it.
Fully I said he didn't watch it, but I think he might have watched it low key.
Yeah, he definitely watched it.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, but he's like, wait, how do you know all this shit?
But there's been a lot of channel.
There's been a lot of updates in Jacksonville, a lot of different uh development.
So I'm excited to see what you do on it.
Because I feel like it's been nearly two years, maybe since I covered it.
So shit, man.
There'll be a lot of new info.
I'm excited to see what you do.
Yeah, Keso is fucked, though.
Bro, him and his dad, his dad's flipping on him, right?
Yeah, his dad flipped on him.
Yep.
That's the latest information.
So that yeah, he case so is done.
He's good.
He's 100% going to jail.
He's gonna have to smoke his dad.
Bro, yeah.
And it's like, yo, how do you like bro?
All he did was talk shit about Bibby.
Like, you were the killer.
you wear baby jersey and shit thinking it was funny smoking on baby whoo goes to show you how crazy it's gotten these days because he was doing that for his music for his clout Look where he is now.
Yeah.
It's fucked.
Yeah, man.
Guys, don't join gangs, don't commit murders, man.
Yeah, just listen to the music, keep it music only.
Facts.
But other than that, guys, go check out Trap Lower Ross.
Go check out his uh clips channel, which is Trapmore Ross, right?
Clips.
Trap.
I got Trap Lor Ross.
Trap Lore.
Trap Law Clips.
Trap Lore Clips.
And then Trapmore Ross, which I'm gonna check.
I'm I think I'm gonna make that like a streaming channel.
Okay.
That was just like a throwaway channel.
I was just doing random stuff on okay.
Um, but Traplor Ross, Trap Law Clips.
That's the main thing.
Bam.
Guys, go check him out, man.
Uh we'll catch you guys uh on the next episode of Fed.
No, no ep no Thursday episode.
This was your episode, man.
Hope y'all guys enjoyed this chopping it up with a good friend here.
And uh yeah, man.
I wish you a safe trip back to the UK.
Appreciate it, man.
Thank you for having me.
Peace out, guys.
I was a special agent with Homeland's investigations.
Okay, guys, H S I. The cases that I did mostly were human smuggling and drug traffic.
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