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Dec. 24, 2022 - MyronGainesX
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Tory Lanez Verdict Debate w/@HasanAbi Ft.@KingAkademiks
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Um, real quick, um, so let me give you guys kind of the backstory of what happened with the Tori Lane situation so you guys have a better idea.
Academics gonna call us here pretty soon, probably on Discord, and we'll jump into the conversation.
I know he's uh having a talk right now with uh son.
So uh anyway, basically, guys, back in uh July of 2020 last year.
Um Meg, Tory and her friend Kelsey, right, were at a party at the uh Jenner's house, and you know, they got intoxicated, extremely intoxicated.
Yeah, um, and you know, Tori was kind of putting the Mac moves on Kylie Jenner.
Meg didn't really like that.
Um, and they left, right?
And and they did, you know, there's some disagreements on did they leave one time, then come back, or whatever may be.
But I'm just gonna say keep it nice and simple for y'all with the summary.
They left and uh Tori ended up leaving with them.
An argument ensued in the vehicle, which uh we'll talk about that in more detail when we jump on other stream, what they were arguing about, but an argument ensued between all three parties, Meg the Stalin, Tori and Kelsey.
Uh at some point the vehicle stopped, Meg got out, and then there were some gunshots fired five to be exact, and Meg ended up getting some of that uh shrapnel in her foot.
Uh she alleged that Tori said dance, bitch, dance.
She turned around and she saw him shooting at her over the window.
Um, she also claimed that is because she said his music was trash.
Yeah, there was an argument about uh music about his music, there was an argument argument about uh you know Kelsey uh between Meg and having sex with men that she had put Kelsey on with before because just for context, Kelsey is Megan Estalin's best friend slash assistant they know each other since college.
Um and then uh during the trial, a whole bunch of different things went down.
I went into detail on this on Fed 1811.
So I'm sure if you're tuning into this stream, you more than likely know the general facts and circumstances surrounding this case.
Um, but let's see here.
Let me uh we should be getting a Discord call here soon.
And the whole point here is that like the evidence does not show in any form of fashion that Tori did it indefinitely.
It's like, okay, now there's uh a uh air of like uh mystery because we don't know for a fact that he did it.
However, the jury uh declared that he was guilty.
And it's like, bro, you getting the call, Chris?
No, no, you should be getting a notification.
Yeah, this is crazy though, because like, bro, I mean, dude, we knew from all the evidence in the court, people testifying, bro.
No one knew for a fact like Tori did it.
However, I don't know what's happening.
If Rot Nitch pulled some strings, they paid off the jury.
Who knows what happened?
But bro, like they declare that he was guilty.
And to me, that's bull crap, bro.
Um academics here as well, but it's just wild, bro.
Yeah, you're gonna see like a little notification, Chris, and then that's when you'll know that they're calling in right now.
And yo, she lied so many times on the TV, bro.
Yeah, on TV, yeah, on her on her live stream, so many times they're saying, bro, like it's so much cap in there, and then they believe, bro.
That's wild, bro.
Believe all women is crap, bro.
Um, the main thing you guys got to do.
Literally in that is profoundly important.
There we go.
About that, that's her account that literally played a significant role in launching a criminal investigation.
Is that but oh yeah, again, argument what we think happened, or we're arguing what should be proven in court.
If someone says I lied, like okay, you can play the statement all you want, but I lied.
I'm telling you the truth now.
Is that person credible?
Yes or no.
Wait, I'm sorry, can you repeat that?
Okay, you're going off what Kelsey said in September.
But she literally showed up I lied.
I lied.
She's saying I lied then, and I'm under oath now, and I lied.
So I told you I'm I'm telling you, I lied then.
What's up?
Are you gonna say, okay, we're gonna just ignore the fact you're telling us you're lying, and we're gonna think she never said she lied, by the way.
She did say she lied.
She said she said she lied on her testimony.
That's a big part of the reason why she told me.
Where did she say she lied on her testimony?
She just said she can't remember, which is inconsistent for sure, because it was very clear when she was offering uh evidence to uh to launch this criminal investigation.
But um, I I don't think she ever said I lied.
Um, she just said I can't recall.
Yo, act, Myron's here.
We just joined in.
Um, are you guys talking about Meg the sign right now?
Are you guys talking about Kelsey in particular?
We literally just joined.
We're talking about Kelsey's um statement.
Okay, she's using the one from September.
I'm using a fact that she got on the stand and said, Fuck that.
I did not tell the truth.
Yeah, wait, she never wait, no no no, no.
You can't you can't embellish it in this circumstance because this is pretty important.
Oh, she never got on the stand and said I fucking lied.
That's crazy.
Yes, she did.
She got on this, these are the facts.
These are the facts.
This is what happened.
Okay, no, no, no, no.
Before you say these are the facts, I want to I want you to actually show me the facts, and not Malagro Grams, who has been proven time and time again that she was, you know, okay.
Mo Mo Gagnat, who was there in person, who watched it, who is a lawyer himself.
He literally said she took the stand.
First thing she did was take the Fifth Amendment.
You cannot take the Fifth Amendment unless you might be criminally culpable for a crime.
Then they said, Listen, we'll give you immunity if you testify.
Keep in mind that she knows you can you can still take you can plead the fifth regardless.
Like you can just refuse to testify.
Hasan, I I hate to say this to you, bro, but I used to investigate criminal activity.
I used to be a former federal agent.
I know this I know your effect.
I know I've seen I used to be talking about it.
I'm telling you, you cannot take the Fifth Amendment, okay, unless you're criminally culpable.
That is why Gunner is not protected if they call him to testify.
He has to testify.
No, you can definitely say I plead the fifth.
It doesn't matter if you're like criminally culpable or not.
You can still refuse to testify.
No, you cannot because you are compelled to testify, right?
If you don't have a Fifth Amendment privilege, no, it's literally it's a right.
You can just say that you are pleading the fifth, regardless of whether it's because you're incriminating yourself or not.
You can only take the fifth if you might incriminate yourself.
You cannot take the fifth any uh in any other circumstance.
You are compelled to testify.
No, you can still no, you you definitely still can in any circumstance plead the fifth.
It doesn't matter what the truth is.
I hate to say this probably the plead.
I thought you were smarter than this.
Even if you're not, even if you're not, even if you that doesn't immediately mean that you are self-incriminating.
If that was the case, then that could be used as additional evidence, like you guys are trying to do right now, but that's not the case.
But she's not the one on trying.
In in in colloquial, in like the the, you know, uh in normie speak, we always assume when you plead the fifth, oh, that means they're guilty, like they're incriminating themselves.
That's what we say, but that's not the case.
You can plead the fifth even if you are not actually incriminating yourself.
That's kind of the point of being able to plead the fifth.
Okay, then you know what?
Let's use your logic be used against you as evidence.
Let's use your let's use your logic then, Hassan.
If that was the case, why did her lawyer fight tooth and nail to get her immunity?
Ooh.
There we go.
Exactly.
I don't know.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Just take the L. Right here.
Just take the L. This is the 14th of December.
So this is Tory lays in Megan's trial day three.
Kelsey takes the stand, she admits to lying to prosecutors about everything she told him in some.
Well, you're reading no jumper right now, who literally, by your accounts, got fucking got DJ academics.
They got fucking got, they jumped the gun and literally posted about the the verdict coming in before the verdict had actually come in.
You can't just use their one-sided assessment of the events that took place.
You originally went to Megan Cuniff.
I'm watching your stream right now.
You couldn't find the actual thing that you wanted out of her, so you went to find the no jumper tweet.
If you give me Megan Cooniv's test of uh Megan Koonith's uh uh, you know, actual court reporting, then we can have a conversation.
I got it.
It's like it's like you citing yourself.
Come on, Hassan.
You're missing the point here that Kelsey, right?
Changed her story.
She went in and did an interview with with actually the prosecutors, not even law enforcement, which is another big red flag, but she went ahead and didn't interview in September.
What's the red flag?
The red flag is she did an interview with the prosecutors with no law enforcement there, which is a huge red flag because prosecutors are not supposed to be direct witnesses and witness testimony when you're doing a criminal investigation.
There's supposed to be an investigator there, and the reason why there wasn't an investigator there is because the lead detective, Stogner, right?
He has some issues.
We definitely have prosecutors directly uh question uh witnesses.
No, what you need an investigator there.
They can't be the only witnesses because they're the ones prosecuting the case.
It's a conflict of interest.
You need a sworn law enforcement officer there conducting and leading the interview.
Prosecutors can be the prosecutors are literally law enforcement officers, pretty much functionally.
So I I don't know.
Like you're making it seem like they're operating on different teams here.
Yes, they do work together.
However, you need an agent, a detective, some type of police presence there to do the investigation and to do the interviews, bro.
And that's a big red flag.
I got can I just address something really quickly?
I love chat being like no black voices, Hassan didn't want a black voice in that circumstance, bro.
No jumper, Adam 22's operation.
We're calling that uh uh a black voices now.
Really?
Halo boom.
Is that what you're saying in the chat?
Dumbass.
Shut the fuck up.
Well, team rapper.
The point I'm trying to make is there's problems with seam rapper motivation.
Okay, sorry, go ahead.
There's problems with Kelsey's situation, because number one, she was interviewed by prosecutors only.
There wasn't an investigator there, which is a problem in itself.
And then, second, she switched her story up.
She said, Hey, Tori did XYZ and you know, made him criminally culpable.
And then when she came in to testify, she immediately took the fifth.
And then her defense attorney said, We need immunity.
They tried to get um uh they tried to get immunity where she'd be covered all the way, but they were only able to get use immunity because obviously to get transactional immunity, which would be her protected all the way, that is very difficult to get.
You would need a DA signature to get that, and obviously they're in the middle of trial, they don't have time to go back to DA saying, Yo, we need the signature, so we're like, listen, we'll give her use immunity, we're on the record, we're not gonna prosecute her.
That's what she felt comfortable to go ahead and testify after that, pretty much.
So if she wasn't culpable, why would she fight so hard?
While her defense attorney fight so hard to get her use immunity, bro.
And you can only take the fifth, right?
You can ask any attorney this, any defense attorney will tell you this.
You can only take the fifth when you might be giving testimony, might that might incriminate yourself.
But if you if you're not necessarily giving testimony that's gonna incriminate yourself and other people, then you're compelled to testify.
That is why Gunna cannot assert the Fifth Amendment privilege if they call him to testify in the YSL trial.
If Young Though goes to trial, they're gonna call Ghana on, and he cannot claim Fifth Amendment.
He will he will have to testify.
That is a part of his plea deal.
Okay.
So I can't speak on why she wanted to uh why she no longer wanted to offer her testimony.
Okay.
Um, she did get granted immunity.
I'm pretty sure.
Not the not the full blown immunity if she was like to go up on that stand and be like, I actually fucking uh I actually shot someone.
I I was the one who shot uh well if she did say that all of a sudden your case falls apart.
Of course, the prosecutor's not gonna fucking do that because someone could very easily fall out of favor with the victim, like Kelsey and Megan did, and then turn around and be like, you know what?
Actually, I'm the one who shot it, but guess what?
You guys gave me the fucking immunity.
You know what I mean?
Like that's what I'm saying.
Well, she could have gone on the stand and said that though, because they gave her use immunity, which means her testimony that was given in that circumstance could not be used against her.
However, that does not mean that law enforcement and all the inconsistencies, she could have very easily said, I am here to tell my truth, I'm going to tell you exactly what happened, and and I was wrong originally.
She didn't even say that.
Yeah, because she because she knew before she was lying.
She she got on the stand, bro, and said I lied.
But you just explained that she got immunity from the original lie that she had told.
If you're claiming that she originally lied, yes, she originally lied, and she didn't want to give testimony because there's a good idea.
You're admitting that she would not have been liable under perjury in that regard because she had gotten immunity to offer her true testimony in that circumstance.
No, um what I'm saying is that she could have been found.
There's a bunch of things that they could have hit her with.
There's a bunch of charges she could have got hit with.
Like what?
Which is why which is like the shooting, which is why she took it up from the trust no jumper.
I got my man, I think I think he writes uh LA Times, James Queely.
This is this is uh Kelsey on the stand.
Our interview that they were trying to refresh her memory many times with.
She says our interview was not a hundred percent truthful.
Yeah, okay.
Does that make you feel good, brother?
You literally said you said whatever you're citing, I did not tell the truth.
She basically said it and referred to it and kept almost looking at her lawyer to say, Hey, if I answer this, am I getting fucked up legally?
And they did many sidebars.
That's just the reality of it.
Yeah, her her interview, her interview not being 100% truthful, especially when there's additional circumstances involved in there, like whether or not I actually I'm not familiar if she got uh asked the question about the million dollars that like uh she did get asked where you lame offered them or something like that.
She did she did get asked.
But there are plenty of there are plenty of additional instances in that interview.
You you are the one who's inferring the parts that you believe is not truthful from that interview, and she still absolutely ended up getting just read the rest of that.
What is the what's the rest of the quote?
We're not trusting no jumper, but we definitely trust the LA Times.
Yeah, of course I trust the LA Times, and I trust court reporters.
So you yourself admitted that no jumper got got.
So if no jumper got got and fucking literally forget no jumper, Harris says she struggled with postpartum pressure, oppression, and a recent death in the family, and her mind isn't here right now.
She also denied lanes offered her hush money, which Megan alleged he did to the two and a half a million dollars.
So she did not.
The exact quote from her, by the way, wasn't an immediate denial.
She literally said it wasn't exactly the way that that was presented.
I know I know what I'm talking about because I know what quote that was.
The reason why we're bringing this up, by the way, is because she has postpartum depression now.
She has a recent death in the family now.
If anything, her evidence or her additional information that she's gonna offer currently, now and not back then, is going to be less conclusive.
What about this one?
Critically, she wouldn't confirm she saw Lane's with the gun, which she said in the recorded interview, or that Lane's threatened to shoot her.
She won't confirm it in court.
She's like, she wouldn't ask her.
Yeah, that doesn't wait.
What do you mean?
That doesn't mean anything.
She already has.
Oh, you keep you keep referencing because she didn't know you and I both know.
You and I both know she went on the stand and said, I can't recall anything, I can't recall anything.
I have postpartum, I'm depressed, I can't recall anything, is basically what she said.
And then she's like, That doesn't mean that doesn't mean that she fucking absolutely lied.
That's the reason why they played the whole interview.
In a court of law, if a if if if any type of witness or victim can't recall their statements and can't even affirm to it, right?
Keep in mind, she's now under oath.
She already acted weird with the hey, I needed like immunity of this and third.
She can't co-sign the majority of what she said in a goddamn interview, right?
You think that the jury should be like, okay, let's just believe her.
Really?
Come on, brother.
Well, first of all, the jury did believe her, ultimately.
The jury believed Megan the Stallion, who also is a witness in this circumstance.
The jury also believed what she said originally, which is important, important to address in this circumstance.
And the jury, of course, did not take into consideration that she pled the fifth, especially because she had the opportunity, given an immunity to go back and correct the record and refuse to do so while simultaneously admitting that currently, right now, in this very moment, was not likely to give a clear-cut version of the events, considering her postpartum depression and a near uh and a recent death in the family.
That's what I'm stating.
That's the reason why the jury deliberated in the way that it did.
Yeah, but you're missing a point here, Hasan.
See, here's the thing.
Tory gets that Fifth Amendment privilege to not testify and not being it used against him.
Kelsey does not.
Kelsey's a witness in the case, she's not the one on trial.
So if Tory is no, but you can still please some dumb shit or potentially say, please let me finish.
You have the right to plead the fifth regardless.
Finish.
You have the right to plead the fifth, regardless of whether or not you're actually incriminating yourself or not.
You just have that right.
That is a right that you have.
You're just rambling, bro.
Bro, I'm telling you, Tory gets the privilege of them not being able to judge him for taking the fifth.
Kelsey does not, because the Tory Tory is the one that is accused.
Okay.
That is the reason why.
So when Kelsey doesn't get that same Fifth Amendment privilege to that level as Tory, because he's the one that's actually being charged in a criminal case in a criminal court of law in the United States.
So Kelsey doesn't get that, which is why she was like, I need immunity if I'm gonna talk.
Because she is compelled to testify.
That is why she asked for immunity in the first place.
Look, go ahead.
You you said that you have to be guilty to plead the fifth.
That is not the case.
You don't have to be guilty.
You have to be potentially liable, right?
From a criminal standpoint to invoke the Fifth Amendment.
Any statement that you may give can incriminate yourself.
If you are an innocent witness, you can still plead the fifth.
That is precisely the reason why we look at pleading the fifth as a right that people have and not as an indication that that person is somehow criminally liable, which is what you guys are doing right now.
Okay, you can only take the entire entire concept behind pleading the fifth would be null and void if we automatically assume that that person is fucking guilty every time they pled the fifth.
No, no, pleading the fifth that isn't an implication of guilt.
However, if you if they are you are making it seem as though it is, no, no, no, no.
Well, I mean, one could take it as that, but if you have zero conflict with what's being asked of you when you're either subpoenaed and you're on the stand, you gotta answer.
You can't just magically say I plead the fifth, and then say the judge says to you or you and your attorney, hey, okay, let's figure out why you're pleading the fifth.
And you're like, no, just because I want to, they're not gonna just be like, okay, you you got it.
Like, I'll I'll tell you the Supreme Court decision that that the justices made on this regard because like people do plead the fifth sometimes when they're innocent, or they might be afraid, okay, of one reason or the other.
It's normal, the criminal justice system is fucking ruthless, right?
Um in the 2001 Supreme Court case, the justice noted that the right against self-incrimination provided by the Fifth Amendment in Ohio versus Reiner, the court case that I was telling you about earlier, okay, that the Fifth Amendment protects the innocent as well as the guilty.
The court added that a witness may have a reasonable fear of prosecution and yet be innocent of any wrongdoing.
The ruling noted that innocent people might be ensnared by ambiguous circumstances.
So Her right to plead the fifth in this circumstance was given to her and was protected by the Supreme Court specifically for situations exactly like the one that she was entangled in.
Where she could have very easily fearful, she could have very easily been fearful that she might be fearful of prosecution.
Now granted, but she committed crimes.
That's because she committed crimes.
She committed crimes.
No, no, no.
But you're but you're still doing that.
But you're just remembering you're still doing that.
You're still claiming that she is res she is guilty because she bled the fifth.
If if you're if you're if you're saying she's but you are a fed, so I I'm not surprised that you think that.
But anyway, let's go on.
Let's move on.
You're literally alluding to the fact that maybe something that she did or could say would be in some realm of maybe being able to um either the the DA could pick up a charge on, right?
We're not saying she's guilty.
Yeah, it doesn't even matter though.
It doesn't matter because what matters is what she felt in that moment.
If she feels like she could be ensnared for any reason whatsoever, she has the constitutional right to be able to plead the fifth in that regard.
That's it, and that's what she did.
She exercised it.
Hassan, do you not see that she was the prosecution star witness, and that is problematic?
problematic and opening statements and opening statements.
I do feel like the star witness was probably the person who survived getting shot, but you know, she was a witness.
She was one of the big witnesses.
Yeah, but here's the thing that that's Meg Meg is obviously the victim.
So that's gonna be a witness in itself.
But I'm talking about the prosecution star witness from a how do I say this from an unbiased standpoint, according to them, was Kelsey, and they talked about it in their opening statement.
Kelsey's gonna come in and weave everything together.
Yeah, when you get shot, you are a little biased.
That's true.
But you know, you would probably be biased against the person who shot you in this case.
If you claim that it is Kelsey, then she should probably be biased towards her, right?
What?
No, what I'm saying is that the prosecution opening statements used Kelsey and said Kelsey's gonna come in here and weave together all our evidence.
They were relying heavily upon what a jail call, a text message, okay, and then also Kelsey's testimony.
That's what they were weighing heavily on, and then for everything to make sense and come together, they needed Kelsey's testimony.
So when she gets on the stand and takes the Fifth Amendment as the prosecution's main witness, mind you, that is problematic.
Well, she, like I said, originally did uh allow this entire thing to come together with her testimony.
Um, the text messages are also pretty damning too, like uh saying 911 Tori shot her, Tori shot Megan.
But that doesn't necessarily why do you think she texted that and then also uh gave corroborating evidence to that and and we're hyper focusing on like her pleading the fifth, which is her constitutional right to do so for any reason, you know what I mean?
Like she could just do that, which she did, she exercised that, but we just refuse to think about why she texted that.
We don't think about why Tori apologized to every party involved.
Um we're we're not looking at any of those, uh any of those instances possibly the witnesses don't take the fifth saw reasonable doubt out of like you're working for the defense team.
You're making the inference that the apology is for the shooting while you're definitely absolving um the reason why she would say I'm not taking a stand, period, unless as soon as she got on the stand, she said I'm playing the fifth.
It's not that she was asked any as soon as she got there, but so you want to make the inference that the apology from Tory, which was innocuous, honestly, didn't say what he's apologizing for, say I'm sorry.
That's all he said, but you're you're you're you're saying that's for the shooting.
What do you think?
But what do you think?
So wait, you you think he's apologizing because like an altercation happened where like Kelsey shot Megan, right?
That's what you were doing.
No, because I think that's a normally gonna apologize for Hassan.
It's because the whole situation for the shooting.
Because, like, look, if if I was involved in a situation in a love triangle, as you claim, right?
And and the girl that was with me shot the other girl, I would not text like I'm sorry to everyone involved.
I'd be like, that was crazy.
Remember when that bitch shot you?
That was wild, right?
Like, that's what I would text.
I think that's what normal.
Hasan, Hassan, you're operating on 2020 hindsight.
You gotta remember, these are women, they're emotional, they're drunk, it's late at night.
They just saw him get trying to go ahead and get with Kylie Jenner.
Obviously, they're mad.
I think Tori Lanez was very emotional.
I mean, you can say that, you can say that.
That's fine.
But my point is this everyone's drunk and emotional and right, and the other thing too, Kelsey, right?
He exposes Meg De Stalin for having sex with men that she had originally hooked up with Kelsey.
So that is how the argument ensued.
So we don't know definitively if he was apologizing for shooting or for putting out Megan's information to Kelsey.
You'd be like, that was crazy when Kelsey shot you, right?
Because only one person said that would be foolish to do that to her son.
Let's be honest.
I mean, he's not like he's not gonna sit there and be like, yo, that was crazy that Kelsey shot you.
No, he's gonna say, Yo, I'm if he apologizes, we don't know what he apologized for.
So you're in a situation, you're in a love triangle, you get a lot of women, right?
I feel like or talk about it all the time.
You're in a love triangle, it happens all the time.
One of the girls shoots the other girl, you're gonna be like, I'm sorry that that that's what that's how it happened.
You wouldn't be like, how fucking insane was that that that this crazy bitch shot you assumptions that he had his am I right?
That's probably what he would say.
Let me take this.
Let me take this.
And he's been recorded over the jail phone.
Why do you think he's saying why do you think why do you think Kelsey texted 911 Tori shot Meg?
So now you're moving off the argument.
If we are we talking about it, no, no, no, no.
I'm asking you, I'm asking.
I legitimately want to know why.
Do you think Kelsey originally texted that?
If you can see this point, because you're saying what the text from him should be, I'm telling you why it's not like that.
He's implicit.
No, no, no, but tell me that.
Tell me that.
Tell me that.
Just I want to know what you mean.
Why do you think Kelsey texted 911 Tory shot Meg?
Hold on.
So by by us moving to this, and I'm gonna answer it.
I I'm feeling like you're conceding that other point because what you're saying would be idiotic if you know you're calling off of a jail phone to say, hey, isn't it crazy?
Well, you got shot by so and so you might as well give a fucking statement.
Okay, and I don't know if that's something that's so you so you gotta remember it was protecting he's a rapper, bro.
He's a rapper, he cannot snitch.
That is career suicide.
Of course, he's not gonna go ahead and incriminate someone else.
He's a rapper, bro.
He can't do that because yo, put it okay.
That's why okay, got it.
Hasan every rapper that gets caught cooperating with the police or snitching or doing anything that might put someone else in jail, their career is ruined.
So, of course, he's not gonna go ahead and their career is ruined.
They can still go on uh DJ Academics' broadcast, like Takashi does it.
Okay, man.
Are we gonna are we gonna sit to the facts here?
Are we gonna try to make side jokes?
The point is that rappers cannot he like knowing like what the yo, this guy's gonna qualify to talk about the culture or anything like that, bro.
Dude, your facts are non-existent, bro.
Like you're deflecting crazy, you're just deflecting.
I'm telling you, that's a musical question, and nobody was able to answer this question.
I answered it.
It's a superior, it's Tori.
Can't criminate Kelsey text 911, Tori shot Megan.
If that's not the case, it's 3v1 now, by the way.
Holy fuck.
I'll answer that question, but I'm going to just assume that because you diverted, you basically like you bowed out of that other point.
I mean, you can assume whatever you want to, but you give me the answer.
I just want to know.
I'm I'm like genuinely interested in your perspective.
Now I'll answer that question, but but I really could just ask a question to answer, but I'll just answer myself.
If I was the best friend of someone who just got in a drunken fight, and I unfortunately shot at my best friend, okay, she got hurt.
If I'm the closest person to her team, you think I'm gonna text her team, hey, I shot Meg.
Come on now.
Would you text that?
So in that situation, you think a text message is necessary, right?
Like you're saying that the text message is necessary, she's belligerent enough to fucking grab a gun, shoot Megan the Stallion, but then also somehow has it all together.
I guess like she the adrenaline kicked in, and all of a sudden she just like remembered the consequences of her actions and decided to very cleverly and devilishly text this ruse, even though Tori Lane on Instagram comments is also said that Kelsey had not shot Megan the Stallion.
And it like so clearly the the like no one has said Kelsey shot Meg the Stallion that has never even been brought up except for the blogosphere.
Are we gonna hold what what Tori said on Instagram?
Which we don't even know if that's him controlling his page.
We're gonna hold him liable for that, but we can't hold Meg liable For saying out of her own mouth a different story five times.
Well, I mean, it was used.
Thank you.
It was used from what I understand when an LAPD detective Warren Eberhardt took the stand to testify that Tory Lane's verified IG account once commented on a theory that Kelsey was a shooter saying that's not true.
I'm glad you said that.
Now that's this incident happened two years ago.
They asked that same detective.
When did you see that message?
Did you check the IP address of where it came from?
Because you know you could have an Instagram account and somebody could access it from Zimbabwe, somebody could access it from Costa Rica.
You think a hacking happened.
That's why Tory, or you think Tory Lane's is in Tory.
So Tory Lanez's interns are fighting against Tory Lanez, is what you're saying.
Mid-trial, mid-trial.
When Mo went live, Tory Lane's Instagram joined the live.
You think Tory's in court joined it live?
He has peeps.
No, I don't.
But do you think someone with access to Tory's?
Why is someone with access to Tori Lane's Instagram account uh defending Kelsey?
I'm not saying you can't use that as some type of proof, but number one, you saw it a week ago before trial when you had two years to see it, right?
Number two, you made no fucking effort to try to at least go out of your way to prove that he's the actual one that posted it.
Well, to be fair, I don't think they needed that because uh ultimately it wasn't Kelsey that was on trial, it was Tory Lane's on trial.
Because again, going back to the main thing, the five points that the prosecution laid out was pretty open and shut.
Oftentimes, cops not very good at their jobs, okay.
No, I can't.
I can't talk about feds.
I don't know how Myron was, but clearly he wasn't that good because now he's doing a fucking PUA podcast.
However, however, however, Hassan, you're gonna attack the artist.
Are you gonna just attack the person?
Literally, it did seem like they had a lot of fucking a lot of evidence, right?
Like, I mean, holy shit, they had the witness who survived.
Brother, you gotta run for office.
Like the way you're able to duck out of shit.
What do you mean?
There's five.
There's five points of evidence.
You move to another one, and then when we try to get you there, you flip to this other thing.
Bro, your counter was someone from Zimbabwe might have fucking controlled his account.
The reason why they didn't even have to fucking find this is because they already had five points of evidence that was so in a situation where it was Tori Lane's versus Megan the Stallion.
Even if you're covering like the search warrants that was like executed in my logo.
Come on, you know, if you're gonna use someone's social media writings in presence, nigga, at least motherfucking execute a warrant.
Instagram is gonna show you exactly where it came from.
They took a screenshot from the shade room.
Isn't that what you want the fucking government to be putting people in jail for?
That's all I'm trying to say.
They found a screenshot.
It's the reason why they didn't conduct that level of investigation on that regard was because again, it wasn't there was no like Kelsey is the actual shooter theory.
There was no evidence that Kelsey was the actual shooter.
One of the most damning pieces of evidence was also Kelsey's own fucking text message.
911 Tory shot Meg.
If the police haven't done their due diligence and done their fucking job, you want us to consider some shit off Instagram?
At least fucking write a warrant.
Okay, at least get the information in a right format that the jury could have some validation to the shit you're presenting.
You're presenting shit like a blog.
Unfortunately, academics has no like, you know, I have no there's no like fucking oh, you have to meet this bag.
And in court, yeah, you're using it.
But you know that they didn't need to do that.
You you know what I mean?
Like they didn't need to.
You understand why I'm saying they didn't need to.
You're actually relying on it to make your point.
So if they didn't need to do it while you relying on it to make a point, I'm I'm bringing it up because I think that it's already in there's already enough evidence, as I've shown time and time again as to why I feel the way I do about the situation.
I'm not even getting a little bit.
Hasan, here's their point.
Let me take this, bro.
Let me take this.
Hasan, you have a you do a great job of deflecting like doing ad hominem attacks, which is fantastic.
But you know what?
Let's go over each piece of evidence and actually talk about each piece of evidence with facts versus you making jokes at hominem attacks.
Number one, the jail call.
He never actually admits to shooting at Meg.
He's just profusely apologizing.
The text message, Kelsey says, Oh, Tori shot Meg.
When they tried to bring in the witness to actually receive the text message so they can get some context.
He didn't want to come in and testify.
I wonder why.
Also, the text messages between Meg and Tori.
We don't necessarily know if he was apologizing for outing Meg the Stallion and her promiscuity in the past along with her friend, or if he was apologizing for Kelsey and Meg fist fighting, because him start him giving that starting that conversation initiated the fist fight, or her getting shot.
We don't know what he was apologizing for.
It's ambiguous.
But you're making an inference.
Let me well here's the thing you are the one who's making an inference off of that, though.
What do you I'm inference off of what?
Exactly.
Like you are using, you are using that like you're that in and of itself, apologies in and of itself, yeah.
Depending on which state you're in, are not admissible as evidence.
That's what I'm trying to tell you.
Because of the things that you just mentioned, right?
Like, but do you not see my logic here?
That's what he's saying.
Hassan, I'm not saying that as like evidence.
I'm telling you, I'm going through that in and of itself when we're having a conversation between uh normal human beings, is kind of odd.
And the reason why I'm bringing that up is because it's a weird thing to say when there's a much larger situation at play, right?
What I mean by that is this.
If someone, if someone is shot in your vicinity, oftentimes you would probably talk about that rather than apologize for like your own personal actions that are completely unrelated to that situation.
No, they are related.
Hasan, you're missing the point.
Please let me finish my original point or circumstance.
Please let me finish my point.
Rather than rather than fucking apologize for the case, here's the thing you gotta understand minor argument.
Let me finish my point.
The reason why, okay, he apologized.
There's so many different reasons he could be apologizing for.
It could be for them getting in a fight, it could be for him revealing Meg's promiscuous past, it could be for uh Kelsey hitting her or whatever it may be, her getting shot, uh her him not wanting to leave the house because he was starting with Kylie.
Okay, that's a main point of contention.
But you gotta that is the main point of consideration, of course.
Though you gotta look at all the other underlying facts as to what he could be apologizing for.
He could be apologizing for hitting on Kylie General Frontier for disrespecting him.
Yeah, that's why I said like common sense, right?
Like, that's why I said if someone was shot, but the point completely outside of your control, you wouldn't say, Oh man, I'm sorry that like uh, you know, uh you know, things got out of hand.
You say that's crazy that she shot you.
He can't say that, Hassan, because he's a rapper, and his ability, right, to sell records and make music is contingent upon his image.
He cannot sit there making a lot of inference.
No, it's not an inference, it's common sense, bro.
When any anytime a rapper common sense, bro, let me finish.
Please let me finish my.
If he's a rapper, why is he apologizing?
Because he can't openly say he can't openly say, yo, that's crazy that Kelsey shot you.
He can't decide about five of the cases.
I decided five of the cases where a rapper who should have knew information about what actually happened, even if it happened to their own friend, just shut up.
Most notably Buster Robinson, who is his bodyguard, one of his best friends, got killed.
The bodyguard's mom was crying in court, hey, why don't you cooperate, cooperate?
He didn't say anything.
That's just what it is.
He didn't want to cooperate when his friend got killed.
There's a difference between saying it in court and saying it to the person that you're having a conversation with.
If you're having a text message conversation at that time when you think that you have an ongoing relationship with that person, so much so that you're trying to fix it by apologizing to them...
You would probably fucking, you know, still feel comfortable enough to be like, how crazy is it that they well that those text messages were gonna be used in a criminal court?
You keep neglecting the point I made.
One of the conversations, right?
Is Tory incarcerated calling on a jail phone?
Why would he say anyone's name?
You think he's in YSL?
No, he's not gonna say anything.
Hey, I'm sorry, this has happened like that.
No more details, no more, no little.
Whether it was you or not, if you ask anybody from the urban hip hop culture, they would probably say you shouldn't even make the call.
Yeah, and also you have a horse or not, and also Lassan.
I think you don't know a culture like that in terms of like hip hop and the whole rap industry.
However, Tori, if he sniffed in the very beginning, this will all be settled.
But he didn't say anything because he knew his career is on the line now regarding that as well.
Well, his career is still on the line because you know, I mean he didn't really have a career, let's be real.
But um, since he's last time he's popping off, but Tori's a big big ass artist.
We what are you talking about?
He's huge.
Oh I mean, just because you might not listen to someone does not necessarily negate the fact that they're not used.
Uh, your co-ho's how how old is he?
How are you thinking I am, bro?
What does it have to do with anything?
I have no idea.
I I have no idea, but like you said, Lassan, so I assume like 14.
Bro, is that your name, bro?
Here's the thing, man.
Yeah, no, that bro.
Come on, dude.
You are a whole grown ass man fucking using memes that 14-year-old white boys use on the internet.
That is fucking embarrassing.
You know, not to like dismiss everything.
Hassan, you're the master of the flexion.
You're not in the master impression, dog.
You really are the master of the flexion.
All this over talking that you're doing show for yourself.
All this you're doing, you're still wrong, bro.
It's just hilarious, bro.
The chat's laughing at you right now, bro.
Dumb right now.
Yeah, go back.
Go back.
Anyway, how chat is the case?
Let's go back to the facts, Hassan.
Let's go back to the facts.
What I was saying was the text messages, the phone calls, okay.
He never overtly said, hey, sorry for shooting you.
And there's a bunch of search situations that he could have applauded apologized for.
So that's number one.
So we don't know exactly what he was apologizing for.
And keep in mind, Hassan, it is on the prosecution to prove that Tori is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
So that's ambiguous.
It isn't clear.
Then on top of that, we got gunshot residue, not only on Tory, but we have it on Kelsey as well.
Not to mention that Kelsey and Meg DeStallion got in a full on fledged fist fight prior to the shots going off.
That is a fact that's been confirmed by Kelsey, and it got confirmed by Sean Kelly.
Kelsey downplayed and said it was just a bump.
However, they were 100% fist fighting to the point where a pendant was found on the floor.
We already talked about Sean Kelly's testimony being uh uh inconsistent.
I think I don't know if you were there for that, but yes, but here's the thing Kelsey also gunshots, or was he just like on the fucking street, just watching the street for no reason and then Kelsey happened to be a skeleton?
Also admitted they fought though, so that's what solidifies it.
Kelsey also admits they they fought.
She downplayed and said it was just a bump, but the evidence shows otherwise.
Your nail and everything.
If someone just bumped you, your nail wouldn't fall off and you're pendant.
They were full-on fist fighting.
I mean, look, I don't know the I don't know the exact details, you know.
That's the problem.
You don't know the details, and you're talking.
That's the problem.
Yo, Hassan.
Uh well, ultimately, I'm you're out of your wheelhouse here, Hassan.
Respectfully, with all due respect, you're out of your wheelhouse.
You're out of your wheelhouse here.
You can say that all you want, but it doesn't seem like it, especially with this 3v1 situation, and you guys still look really silly ultimately.
What if I said that's silly?
What is silly outside of your hug box?
I doubt that that is what's going on.
What is silly about what I said?
Having said that, how is this your wheelhouse?
I do not know.
I mean, you're a Fed and you don't even fucking understand how the Fifth Amendment works, so maybe that's good that you're no longer a Fed, probably.
Here's the thing, bro.
Um, the Fifth Amendment only works if you are going to incriminate yourself.
What the fuck are you talking about?
No, no, no.
There's literally a you need reasonable expectation that you can be culpable criminally to be able to assert the fifth.
Because if that was a case, right?
If that was the case, then everyone would just be like, Oh, I'm just gonna stay silent and no one would talk in court.
Facts, dude.
I'm I'm listening to the city.
You can't use the fifth amendment.
Can I use the fifth amendment as a blanket protection?
Right?
Because you're like a you're you're you can't get out of the cop situation.
Oh, is the fifth amendment work that way?
It would literally imply that everyone who please the fifth would be guilty.
It would ruin the fifth amendment.
Hasan real quick, real quick, real quick, real quick.
Because I I notice you do this a lot.
Like I you throw mad at hominem attacks.
Like, I think he's getting straight at at least at least on mine, he's getting straight at whatever.
Okay, bro, it's 3v1.
I'm starting to lose it a little bit.
I was respectful in the beginning, but god damn, dude.
I've been respectful with you.
I haven't attacked you personally one time.
So your fucking 40-year-old co-host called me Lazan, like he's a fucking child.
Come on, don't talk to me.
You're making fun of a federal agent, bro.
How old are you?
Twelve?
Nigga, he's serving our country.
You make a fun of him?
You're lame, bro.
Deadass.
So you make a fun.
Oh, Lassan, nigga, that's your fucking name.
Lassan.
Boom, bro.
Talking about things that you don't even know about.
The point I'm trying to make here, Hassan, is that thank you for serving as a thank you, sir.
Here's the thing, Hassan.
Thank you.
I'm actually investigated criminal cases.
I've driven witnesses.
I've been at federal court several times.
I've testified hundreds of times.
I have more experience in this.
That Is actually crazy.
You don't understand the fifth amendment.
Facts.
You cannot randomly assert the fifth amendment unless you have reasonable expectation that those statements that you're about to give criminate can incriminate you.
It is the same exact reason why Gunner will not be able to use the Fifth Amendment privilege.
You can literally as an example regardless.
Okay, you can plead the fifth regardless.
It is it is the law.
Okay.
It is you could plead the fifth, but then we're gonna be consequently.
You could be eligible.
You can be held in contempt of court.
You could be you can be uh there's issues that could arise from that if you don't actually if there's no reasonable expectation that those things could be used against you.
That's what I'm trying to say, bro.
I I know what you're trying to say, but you're wrong.
And I've I told you that there is a supreme court case on this exact issue that you're talking about.
It does.
I also literally gave you the exact reason as to why it doesn't work that way.
Because if it worked that way, then everyone would just assume you're guilty all the time, every single time you pled the fifth, which would literally destroy the fifth amendment in general.
Hassan, that wasn't his point, and even when I said that wasn't my point, right?
It's of course the fifth amendment because you're inferring that she is guilty, and you're also adding additional reasons as to why she might be guilty, you're speculating why she might be guilty and saying that that's enough for reasonable doubt.
Of course, it's not enough for reasonable doubt.
She already gave her original testimony.
Yo, I know me in particular said that by pleading the fifth, you could infer that that person believes that maybe something they could they could say could be used to prosecute them.
I know, but the jury cannot deliberate off of that, they can't make inferences in the same way that you are currently.
Okay.
So if you want to tell your audience, you want to educate your audience on how it actually works, instead of listening to uh to Myron and his assessment of the matter.
The reality is that when someone pleads the fifth, you cannot assume that they are possibly guilty.
Myron is absolutely wrong.
That only extends to Corey Lanez.
That only extends to Tory Lanez because Tory Lanez is the one on trial, not Kelsey, bro.
Okay, if if if you literally ask for immunity then innocent and innocent, why did she ask for immunity?
No, that she has immunity wrong.
You're just wrong.
You're not wrong, bro.
The law that you are supposedly protecting at the point.
Yo, dude, well, Hassan, you're just wrong.
Hasan, the only person that can assert that fifth amendment without being judged is Tory Lanez because he is the one on trial, not Kelsey.
If that was the case, Kelsey would not have asked for immunity.
That is the difference, and the jury can absolutely use the fact that she took the fifth amendment in their deliberation.
I'm gonna be honest, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Absolutely.
Okay, like we know we know cops are bad at fucking knowing the law, right?
But I really thought feds would be a little bit better at this.
You are wrong.
It does not matter if she's on trial or not, she as an innocent third party absolutely has the right to plead the fifth.
She does because she thinks she might be it, doesn't matter for what reason, okay.
And the jury cannot deliberate or infer or speculate any sort of guilt off of that, because if that was the case, then you would undermine the entire reason behind why the fifth amendment became a good thing.
You know what?
How about I bring a lawyer in here and show that show you that you're wrong?
How about I bring a lawyer?
Listen, if you want, but it's the constitution and the supreme care the Supreme Court case, Ohio v.
Reiner's pretty fucking clear on this.
Yeah, it doesn't matter what a lawyer is going to tell me.
Now we're making it for everyone, which is whole.
Yeah, wait, wait, wait.
Hold on.
I'm just mentioning a fact, right?
So in the closing by George, which is Tory's lawyer, he did ask the the jury to consider why did uh she need the need to plead the fifth.
She or need immunity, actually, needed immunity, right?
So they brought that up, and also um, I probably forgot the first thing I was trying to say.
Um, when she oh, so after she got immunity, like the judge she did try to plead the fifth while on the stand still, and the judge forced her to answer a few things.
Yeah, so I I just don't understand like just to made this very clear.
You're telling us that you've never been in the courtroom yourself, telling us about the fifth amendment, and you have an ex-fed here telling you to your face what it is.
This is a dumb argument, bro.
I mean, you're a qualified amount of things.
I really hate a lawyer here, but you also uh bring it for First of all, yes.
Unfortunately, the reality of the situation doesn't change when you tell me that someone has has been a Fed.
And that is the reality.
Like, I know.
I know you're you're trying to desperately at least like create some position of authority here, but that doesn't change the reality of what I'm telling you.
Yes.
You're Googling answers, bro.
You've never been able to do that.
And it is surprising.
It is surprising to me as well.
I mean, okay.
Yeah, I'm a Googling expert, I guess, but ultimately I'm still correct and you're still incorrect.
And also, you're not the Fed.
So I don't know what the fuck we're even talking about, this circumstance.
I'd rather be a Googling expert that is correct than be the second in command uh next to a Fed who is incorrect.
You're still wrong, though.
Like what are you arguing here about?
Okay, I I no, I'm beginning I'm beginning to like you.
I'm bad.
I think you're dope.
Thank you so much, bro.
Thank you so much.
The whole conversation.
You're you're dope.
You're dope.
up.
It's been derailed about this one particular meeting.
It's It's a big piece uh of your argument is that like she she her her testimony was like inconsistent when she didn't offer additional testimony.
I was allowing that to happen.
That that was part of his argument.
But like, even with without that being said, I mean, are you saying that if he can't argue that that his point was uh were invalid?
What do you what?
What point the point that he was arguing with with you about about why her testimony, number one, um, might just look a little shaky.
She's not a credible witness, Hasan.
At the end of the day, bro, she's not a credible witness, is my main point in all this situation.
I don't I don't agree with that.
I think that she was a credible, uh, she was initially when the investigation was being conducted, she was absolutely a credible witness.
She might have changed her perspective for reasons that she also included, uh, like uh having postpartum stress, postpartum disorder, being depressed because of a a death in the family.
But ultimately, her new testimony is less than anything is less conclusive than her original testimony, which is why they played the original testimony in court.
Dude, she quite literally said that she lied.
That makes her a non-credible witness.
Like you're pulling her, you're pulling her less credible moments now rather than the moments where she had more clarity back then when she talked to the cops.
Well, I'm gonna rely on when the prosecutors I'm gonna rely on when she's under oath rather than when she's doing a phone interview with the and it's not the cops, it's the prosecutor.
She never talked to the cops, yeah.
The prosecutor detective got the lead detective got put on administrative leave.
She was gonna show up via subpoena, they postponed it to to um December, and because they haven't talked to her in such a long time, because they were they've been requesting to try to talk to her, they say, hey, let's get something on record, and that's when the prosecutors who you could ask Myron, even though you feel like he's not incredible.
You could actually the prosecutors actually do these interviews frequently with people who are considered witnesses, or is it a is it an agent or uh uh uh detective?
You get what I mean?
This whole thing, like you even from prosecutors prosecutors are literally just another arm of the criminal justice system alongside cops, they're not in contention with one another.
They are unless we're talking about very unique instances where they're like prosecuting a cop.
They're not that's not how that's not how information is usually gathered.
And also, she didn't recant any of her uh she didn't recant any of her prior testimony.
She only said, like you also pulled up that um she does not want to offer any testimony now.
That's it.
By the way, she admitted she came on a call and she can't recall.
Okay, all right.
So if you're mentioning a lot of the things that she had said, and a lot of things that had happened.
How about we also mention that she also said on the stand that she that when they asked her, hey, are you intimidated by Tori being here?
She said no.
Are you intimidated by whatever, whatever?
She says she she's only felt pressure coming from the prosecutors.
That's why they had a sidebar right after the jury left, and the prosecutor basically um said in open court that they felt offended that you know they're being accused of trying to either coerce a witness, which they believe they did too, then they later got permission to play her initial interview.
And they they they got permission to play the inner interview to show that she was not under duress when she gave it.
But what did she say in court?
She said if she was feeling uncomfortable, it was because of the pressure from the prosecutor.
I get it.
You are selective with what you're gonna believe.
And oh I'm I'm just telling you.
No, I'm not selective with what I'm gonna believe.
First of all, you're doing the exact same thing that you claim I'm doing, right?
Like you refuse to you you uh omit certain details, or you have no answer for certain details, or when pressed on it, you say, Oh, it's probably because he's a rapper.
Like, that's not even a good defense in any meaningful uh way.
Like so many pieces of evidence in this entire process.
There's so many pieces of evidence in this entire process from number one, the witness surviving the shooting attempt.
Meg is not credible, Hassan.
Megan is not credible, though.
But that's crazy.
How can you say that?
Okay, that's a she's lied.
She's given Hassan Can you explain to me I will.
No, no, no.
I wanted to explain it to you right now.
I want you to say I'll explain it to you.
When she is able to survive the shooting and offer testimony, I'll tell you why right now.
I will tell you why right now.
She gave conflicting information on her Instagram lives with the Gail Knight interview versus what she testified to.
On top of that, the prosecution gave a different story on opening statements than she did when she was on the stand, bro.
That's what I'm trying to say.
Meg is not credible.
She openly lied about her sexual passes within what the prosecution said and what Megan the Stallion said.
I will cover that here in a second because I have it in my notes.
But let me let me tell you that I don't worry, I already took notes because I'm like you, I actually watched this case and I know the details.
You don't.
So here's the difference.
Yeah, I would you know go ahead.
Well, if I don't know any of the details of the case, why does it still look like you're having a hard time fucking convincing anyone of what I'm saying?
No, no, I uh the chat is the chat's watching right now.
Crazy, she was emotional, but also somehow Kelsey, also being a woman, may or may not have shot Megan the Stallion, but also had the wherewithal in that moment to like fucking turn around and thank 911.
Uh you know, Tori shot Meg bodyguard to Meg's bodyguard, yes.
Bodyguard she sent that.
Yeah, okay.
So why did she say that?
Dude, there could be a multitude of reasons as to why she would say that.
Maybe she was criminally called button at someone else.
They was hysterical enough and drunk enough to shoot Megan the Stallion off of like some random bullshit, okay?
Because, like you say, or at least academics said that it was random bullshit, like Tori Lane's would never shoot Megan the Stallion over like being called short or uh being called uh not popular.
We'll talk about this in a second.
First, let's talk about how Meg is not credible, okay?
Meg is not credible because she omitted a critical factor, right?
On a public interview, which uh the reason uh how she got on a public television interview in the middle of a criminal case is beyond me.
But the point is that she said I did not have a sexual relationship with Tori Lanez.
Then she gets on the stand and she admits she did have a sexual relationship with Tori Lanez.
Wait, she lied.
Yeah, that's like that's first of all.
Yeah, of course.
That's fucking embarrassing for her to but that's important on uh in regards to whether or not she got shot, bro.
What the fuck?
It absolutely is an important fact.
However, because what?
Yes, that's insane.
All right, you gotta want to face it.
This is a private affair that she probably felt fucking really embarrassed by because she fucked the dude who was like five two and shot her.
Okay, the point here, bro, isn't even the argument, the argument stemmed from Tory Lane.
She's probably talking about it all the time.
But she's not a good thing.
Let me finish my point.
Let me finish my point.
The reason why that is material is because when Tori Lane exposed Meg for having sex with not only him but Kelsey, and he exposed not an expose.
What you're talking about is like TMZ shit while you're talking about a fucking criminal.
That's the entire reason they fought, dude.
I'm trying to explain that to you.
It is an important factor.
She lied about that.
She's the victim.
You're literally talking about a victim.
And making it seem as though the victim is like the actual criminal.
She's not on trial, bro.
What the fuck?
The victim still has a responsibility to be truthful.
Whether she fucked Ori Lanes or not.
The victim must be truthful.
That hurts her credibility.
Her credibility, of course, the events that lead up to a shooting matter, but it is fucking part of that you think this is a good case.
Of course, she fucking, of course, Tori Lane's went to jail.
Hasan, you're being emotional right now.
You think that that's a good enough uh defense?
Hasan, you're being Emotional right now.
Let me finish my point before you go crazy and just react versus actually listening to what I'm saying.
What I am saying is that she is not a credible witness because she lied in a public interview saying she did not have sex with Tory Lanez.
Now, before you get outraged, the reason why let me please let me finish.
The reason why that is extremely important is because the entire fight is predicated on the fact that she had sex with Tori Lane's because she back she backstabbed her friend Kelsey.
Kelsey went to Texas because she had COVID, and Meg DeStallion started a sexual relationship with Tori.
That is why the fight ensued in the first place.
That instance, Kelsey and Meg to fight each other.
It's important by Tory Lane.
But that's here's the thing.
She has to be credible and be honest.
She was not honest about that.
So that part doesn't matter.
It does matter.
Make an argument is like a matter of personal privacy.
So of course, what she's saying in public in a fucking interview in public when she's embarrassed to admit that she fucked Tori Lane's because he wasn't even popping.
Okay.
But that's the point I'm trying to make.
Entirely irrelevant.
Like that's not something you're talking about.
She shouldn't have done the interview.
Why she shouldn't have been arguing.
That's the reason why Tory Lane's lost, by the way.
Because that's what the argument the defense made.
Okay.
As though that was like a serious way to fucking defend this person.
Bro, she wasn't embarrassed.
There's a picture of Tori and Megastalin bent over with Tori.
She's not embarrassed, bro.
That's cap.
So that argument is flawed.
She's not embarrassed at all.
No, I think she's well, you know, you do things uh and then you might be embarrassed by them afterwards, is what I'm saying.
You know what I mean?
Like Hassan, that's that's cool.
But the point I'm trying to make is that you cannot argue the point that her having sex with Tori is not a part of the case.
That's very important because that's what led to the entire argument and public interviews and saying something in a public interview, especially when it's like, you know, the person who shot you, uh, and and being embarrassed to admit that you fucked that person.
Did Megan Stallion lie yes or no?
Also, then Meg the Stallion lie, yes or no.
About what?
Did she lie about her Tori Lane's?
I guess she did.
Who gives a fuck?
What do you mean?
I'm saying who she got shot.
So she lied.
So that in itself hurts her credibility in a court of law.
That hurts her credibility.
That's crazy.
It does.
It's like, no, you're you're not understanding what I'm trying to say here.
Okay.
I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna say this again.
Sure.
What she said in the media, okay, is completely irrelevant, especially because it does not pertain to the one-to-one immediate fucking back and forth that occurred that night.
Okay, it's not like she fucking lied about uh, you know, she ever said like Kelsey actually shot me and then went back.
If she had said that, then you have something.
But her saying I never fucked Tori Lane, he's five two and he's got no fucking hits since 2016.
That's irrelevant.
That's not relevant to the subject matter at all.
But I know you want to make it relevant to the subject matter, but she didn't actually lie about any of the fucking information.
The first time she actually made a a statement, okay, to the cops, was still to defend Tori Lanez to say that she stepped on glass, even though that was not the case.
That was a lie, too.
You get that, right?
Yeah, that was a lie.
Yeah, of course.
That was and she admitted that.
She admitted that she lied.
So what you're missing here is that he's more relevant.
That is more relevant to the case originally.
Her credibility is matter because she also mentioned why she did that.
She also mentioned why she did that.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter though, because if she's lying about that, if she's originally defending Tori Lanez, right?
If she's originally defending Tori Lanez, okay, why did she turn around and blame Tori Lanez afterwards?
What do you think happened there?
Do you think it was because a criminal investigation was launched?
And then she had to fucking tell the truth, despite the fact that knowing full well that there would be dudes like you that would come after her and be like, oh, she's fucking liar, even though she got shot.
Did she even actually get shot?
Who knows?
Yeah, you know, yada yada yada.
Like here's the thing.
Probably she didn't want to rock the boat.
She's she wants to do PR, she's popping off.
She doesn't want this kind of fucking attention, which she admitted time and time again.
That does not absolve her of her response to be truthful.
That does not absolve her of her responsibility to be truthful, especially when she is the prosecution's witness.
She shouldn't have given all these interviews, etc.
I have another question for you.
The credibility is making this now.
She has a rapper.
Okay, maybe she wanted to fucking tell you, maybe she didn't want to snitch because she's a rapper, just like you said Tory Lanez didn't want to switch because snitch because he's a rapper.
You I think one is more valid than the other.
Well, she already snitched.
She already snitched.
What are you talking about?
It's too late.
Should he snitched.
And yeah, and female rappers are not held to the same standards.
Female rappers are not held to the same street ethics and codes that male rappers are.
Nice try, though.
Oh, that's oh shit, dude.
Yeah, that makes sense.
That's uh that's just male rapper uh code.
Okay, got it.
Yes, bro.
Come on, you argue like a 14-year-old Myron, like what do you mean?
Oh, in my in my worldview, only male rappers have that snitch code, so there's a double standard there.
Like, come on, this is facts practice the shit so good.
This is facts, dude.
I mean, come on.
I told you guys if the roles were reversed, I would 100% have the exact same fucking take.
Okay, if Megan the Stallion shot Tori Lanez, and the other party involved there was like, yo, Megan the Stallion shot fucking uh uh Tori Lanez.
I I wouldn't turn around and be like, hmm.
Let's look into this a little bit further.
Hmm, let's be let's be let's be more skeptical of the narrative here.
Like that's crazy.
Hasan like you don't ever get an open and shut case like this, and yet, you know, you still were able to uh uh simultaneously create a a separate narrative here.
There is no separate narrative, it's been documented several times where hip male hip hop artists have been asked, would you provide information to the police?
And they would say no.
Cameron famously went, I think it was either 60 minutes or something.
Asked him, would you go to the police if there's a serial killer living next door?
He said no, I would just move.
Okay.
We gave the example of Bustin Rhymes.
T.I. His best friend got killed.
He did not want to testify because we're talking about completely unrelated things now.
I'm getting examples documented that rappers did not go to the police.
still saying Cuervo is uncooperative.
He don't talk to them.
And his fucking...
This is...
This is not like none of this is relevant to what we're having a conversation about.
It's relevant because Tori's not gonna go and say Kelsey shot her, bro.
That's the point I'm trying to make here.
Rappers understand that their image is everything, and cooperating with the police will destroy their ability to create music and sell records.
There's and we're giving you these instances so you understand the severity of rappers coming out and uh providing information to police.
Look at Gunner as soon as he got released.
He gave a statement through his lawyer.
This is only this is only male rapper code, right?
Like it's not is not female rapper code.
Is that what you're saying?
Male rappers are held to a higher standard when it comes to the street code when it comes to uh hip hop music, bro.
Do you think like do you think there are no female rappers who've done that?
I'm sure there are, but there aren't the same consequences.
Meg De Stallion still will enjoy a commercial out uh commercial success.
So this is this is crazy.
I mean, this is a crazy conversation we're having, by the way.
Females and possibly domestic violence.
For example, when Rihanna came out saying Chris Brown did whatever to her, everybody heralded her as very what do you mean?
Dude, come on.
Hold on.
Wait, so what like people are not?
Why is your reaction like I'm upset at it?
No, that's how it should be.
But I'm just showing you the difference between genders.
That's the only point.
You're saying you don't know.
Yes, because you're bringing up a victim.
Okay, bring up an instance where someone fucking was the victim, okay, and they didn't go to the cops, but it doesn't even matter because we have no completely irrelevant.
This is completely irrelevant to the conversation, regardless.
Okay, there are plenty of female rappers like Lil Kim that also went to fucking jail for a year and plus one day for lying on the stand to to cover for her fucking friends.
This shit doesn't fucking matter to the case overall.
You're trying to create a narrative where it's like a men versus uh versus women thing, but it's ultimately about what happened on that day on that morning, okay?
What happened on that morning?
If Blueface went to the cops for those two black guys his girl gave to him, we call him a snitch.
If if Jay-Z went to the cops after that's Jay Z went to the cops after Beyonce's sister gave him a fucking 92 combo was straight tops, straight to his chest.
We call him I understand what you're saying, but that is completely irrelevant to the conversation, unless you're talking about like you're trying to make the whole uh Tori Lanez apologized, but didn't say like wow, that's crazy that someone shot you uh shtick stick by saying, Oh, because like rappers don't snitch.
That's not snitching.
Go to the lawman and snitching, saying what the fuck happened that night.
That's crazy that you got shot.
I can't believe this person shot you.
That's not snitching.
That's a text message between two friends at that time.
Okay.
You don't apologize to someone who is an enemy.
You apologize to someone who you want to make amends with.
So my point is at that point, Tony Hays was apologizing specifically because the responsible party in custody.
If you're in custody, why the fuck would you drop a name?
Why would you drop a name?
If I so if you get locked up for right, let me see what type of guy you are, right?
Say you're kicking it with your little high school buddies, and let's say, I don't know, maybe one of them has an illegal gun in the car, okay?
You all are you all locked up.
Would you call your other friend be like, yo, you know that Marcus had the gun in the back?
Would you say that on the jail phone, brother?
Bro, you and I both went to Rutgers, dog.
Okay, this this whole like street cred shit is so uh stupid, okay?
We went to the same college, okay.
Academics.
Come on.
Wait, no, that's not about street cred.
It's about, bro, it's about why would you say something on the jail phone?
The statement you're getting that you're trying to use as two people privately talking to each other was recorded on a jail phone.
You might as well just put it in writing for the jury.
It's not that it's not like they ran a warrant on his phone later on and said this was a text message that you thought he you guys were the only person gonna see.
Anybody who's got locked up or if people are doing crime, not saying that I was trying to say that you're a criminal or whatever, or neither neither of us.
Here's the point.
But but listen, but here's the point.
You're acting like Tori should have said a name when he knows the fucking warden, or not the warden, but the person who is in charge of the jail is listen to his call.
I mean, he he ambiguously self-snitched, is what I would say, regardless ultimately by apologizing for, and you wanted him to say a name, so you want him to snitch regardless.
Also, I thought he texted her.
Am I wrong?
Is that is that incorrect?
I thought he liked a text message as well.
I could have been texting anybody.
No, he texted one of them and he called one.
He called one the night of.
Okay.
Okay.
Um, I mean, here's the thing tonight of okay.
Yeah, so wait, wait, wait.
You know, you know, so so the texting is not a jail phone, right?
Like, so why do you think he did that then?
He's just yo, yo, Hassan.
Well, I'm asking you a question.
Come on.
Why do you think why the texting is not the jail phone?
He's not in custody.
He's sending a text message.
Why do you think he texted that?
Oh, God.
I mean, that's a real I can't ask you a single question without you being like, Oh, I'm so good at fucking the answer to that.
I got the answer to that.
We don't know the answer.
We don't know the answer.
There were so many different factors going on.
The two best friends fighting, him hitting on Kel Kylie Jenner right in front of her, her wanting to leave, and Tori not wanting to leave the first time, and then he had to come back and leave it.
There's so many different situations a shooting.
Like the main political dish there is a shooting, and it could have been that up to be like, oh man.
Hassan, he could have been sorry that she got shot, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's a trigger man, bro.
That's what I'm trying to tell you.
There were so many factors that went on that night that he could have apologized for.
It doesn't necessarily have to be that it was just the shooting or him shooting at her.
It could have been her getting shot by someone else.
The apology is ambiguous.
We don't know the situation.
You think he says sorry you got shot by by someone else?
Dude, it could have been for him hitting in front of Kylie.
It could have been him exposing.
I'm telling you, maybe you guys have maybe your own.
Maybe there's a third shooter, okay?
Who was at the grassy knoll?
Who was at the grassy knoll?
Hassan, the reason why I'm giving up, I'm letting Myra rock because it reminds me, because I watched a good amount of your content, and I and you sound like the same dude who was was was uh debating with Charlie Kirk, man.
And I felt like you were going to circle when that boy was giving me the work.
So I hear it now, and I'm like, yo, this is great.
Let Myron deal with you because we're not about to just keep going in the circle, bro.
Like, I'm already busy.
You're you're refusing to even concede on small points that we can't even go forward, my nigga.
Like, it's like you're just I mean, uh, but like, but there's no there are there are inconsistencies with respect to what uh Kelsey said afterwards, but we've addressed them, right?
Like I already addressed them.
I told you.
But the fact that they're inconsistencies Hassan, she said it.
You're missing the point.
Whenever a witness has inconsistencies, that makes the witness less credible.
Do you not understand that testimony needs to be uniform across all platforms?
If you say one thing here, they get on the stand and give something here that hurts your credibility.
My argument is the point is she she gave nothing though on the screen.
Kelsey said that she has postpartum and also on top of that had a death in the family.
That is not an excuse to lie.
She's having a hard time recalling incidents.
That is not an excuse to do it.
In itself is an inconsistency, certainly, but it's a one that has been addressed.
And I think that it was enough for the jury to, to, you know, saying I have postpartum depression.
It's not a, it does not absolve you of your duty to tell the truth as a witness.
That hurts her credibility.
So did Meg.
I'm arguing simply this.
Kelsey and Meg are not credible witnesses because they gave inconsistent stories pertaining to this shooting from the beginning.
Between Meg getting on IG Live and giving different uh uh recounts of the event to her getting on in a public interview on television saying she did not have a sexual relationship with Tori, and that was extremely material to the situation because a fight broke out, as said by Kelsey as well, due to Tory Lane's having a sexual relationship with Kelsey.
So what I'm saying is that Kelsey and Meg are not credible witnesses, and then you add in the factor that they were all drunk.
So you can have testimony.
No, because she was because she didn't want to admit that she fucked Tory Lanez.
Like that's crazy.
Come on.
But that's a material fact that's a point.
In a TV interview, like unrelated to the fucking court case.
Come on.
Everything is related.
Everything is related.
Public statements can always be used.
If that makes her unrelated, it's like, oh, you lied when you were 14 years old one time.
So, like, sorry.
Sorry, you lied about the investigation.
She lied about the investigation.
Because she gave a differing story on a material fact in her own criminal investigation case where she's the witness.
That is not a material fact.
Yes, it is.
It's not a material fact.
A material fact would be if you want to talk about material fact, you could actually bring up she originally said she stepped on glass.
No, no, no.
I'm talking material fact that having sexual saying Tory Lane.
That's important.
Bro, that if that was important, then the court would have uh argued that that was important.
But luckily, they did argue it.
And the criminal justice system doesn't operate like a bunch of fucking manosphere podcasters.
Holy fuck.
Come on, dude.
Bro, the fights between her and she can fuck the whole team if she wants to.
She's still got she wants.
Doesn't matter.
But the the shooting happened because she fucked Tori Lanez, which means it's important.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
Bro, there's good evidence that Kelsey could have been the shooter, and they argued over Tori Lanez.
You're telling me that wasn't relevant to the facts.
No dick.
Wow.
Jesus Christ.
Bro, it is extremely relevant because Kelsey could have been the shooter.
Why?
Also, the other the other part of this is that that's crazy to me.
It's like everyone's fucking mad at Megan the Stallion who got shot, and like no one's mad at fucking Kelsey, who apparently is the real shooter.
You know what I mean?
There's no good evidence that she was the shooter.
She did test positive for gunshot residue.
Do you know why the shooting also said we saw a female shooter failed the GSR test?
They both failed it.
That's true.
The DNA evidence on the gun was inconclusive.
That's also true.
That doesn't mean that there was no DNA evidence for Tory Lanez.
That does not mean that there was no DNA evidence for Kelsey.
It was just simply that it was inconclusive.
Okay.
And in the court of law are correct.
It's supposed to be beyond a reasonable doubt.
What I'm saying is that there was doubt here.
There was a significant amount of doubt.
We got witnesses that aren't credible.
We got DNA tests that aren't being conclusive.
We got uh witnesses saying one thing.
Yeah, of course, DNA can sometimes be inconclusive.
That's why you rely on the entire situation.
That's why you rely on witness testimony.
And guess what?
Here's the reality witnesses that aren't credible.
Witnesses want to do it.
If you shoot someone, if they survive, you're kind of fucked.
That's it.
That's it.
Like ultimately, this is where the court case starts, and this is where the court case begins.
You shoot someone and they fucking survive.
You are fucked.
That's it.
You can say your honor.
She fucked the whole squad, though.
Your honor.
She lied about fucking someone, but then said that she actually did fuck them.
It doesn't matter.
She got shot by the dude, and she said, This motherfucker shot me.
That's it.
But she's not credible.
It could have been Kelsey shooting her.
It could have been Kelsey.
Couldn't Delsey shooting her, whatever.
He didn't finish the job.
Do you know why people are mad at Meg?
Because she lied multiple times.
That's a big issue here.
I know why people are mad at Meg.
Because you have built an entire career shitting on women.
That's why you know what I'm saying.
That doesn't have to do with anything.
Really, What does that have to do with anything?
Oh my god.
All you do is do ad hominem attacks.
You don't argue the points.
I'm saying she's not a credible witness because she lied on multiple occasions.
What's I argue the point?
You're dude.
If we're talking about ad hominem, you literally keep bringing up the fact that Megan the Stallion in a TV interview says she didn't fuck Tori Lane's, but then openly admitted that she fucked Tori Lane's.
Because that goes to speak about her credibility.
It shows that she's a liar.
That's relevant because she's a liar.
It's relevant because she's a liar, bro.
Are you missing the point that she lied and didn't give a consistent story?
That's crazy.
I'm kind of trying to moderate a little bit.
I don't think he's saying it means the case should be thrown out, but it goes towards credibility, which exactly.
In that regard, what are you arguing then?
What are you arguing then?
What are you arguing?
Her credibility is hurt because she's lied and hasn't told the same story multiple times.
That's my point.
It is a private affair that she fucking said on television versus when she was under oath.
Of course, that does not mean anything about her credibility.
Okay.
There are additional reasons as to why people sometimes feel conflicted about openly stating who they fucked.
Okay.
That's understandable.
It's the most understandable thing.
If you were a little bit more charitable in this regard, you would also recognize that.
Come on.
Okay, let's talk about how she didn't want to admit that her Kelsey got in a physical altercation.
How about that?
Let's also talk about how she said that they left one time, but in reality, they really left twice.
And they came back.
And they came back for a sandal.
Let's talk about her lying on a public interview.
Let's talk about her IG stories and her IG lives where she gave different conflicting accounts.
You know the situation.
Ultimately, you know, ultimately, when you're recalling shit, there's going to be instances where you're not 100% accurate.
Okay.
This happens all the time.
That's why you don't go on the internet and talk about it.
Measure it's a credibility.
Measure that on how severe it is, right?
You have to measure that on how severe that is.
Recanting or recalling instances that even happened to you is oftentimes going to be murky.
Now, if you are, let's say, a third party person who claims you woke up the gunshots and then changed your testimony to, oh, actually, I was watching them fight, so I saw every single thing that happened.
That's pretty inconsistent, especially because of your proximity to the situation.
If you're Kelsey in that regard, your testimony, if it had changed dramatically, which it never did, right?
Remember, it did change.
Never dramatically changed her testimony.
She never dramatically changed her testimony and was literally given the opportunity to address it with immunity in a court of law.
Hassan did not.
Did you even see this trial?
She gave a completely different account.
Um, so remember I said this about credibility.
And and I think the way you even try to describe certain things is probably the reason why we're having the problem, even kind of like understanding how this case even devolved, how it did.
Like when people are meant mentioning her sexual history, it's not to shame her.
This and third, it's about credibility, right?
Also, for example, she has she has a habit about drinking.
I drink a lot every day.
Okay, this is not to shame her, but I've seen you, I've seen you fall asleep watching, listening to Drake.
Yeah, one of my favorite clips.
But here's the thing, though.
If we if we mention her drinking, it's not to shame her habits or her possibly being an alcoholic, it's probably to say, well, she was in a state of mind that she could probably not remember these details accurately.
For example, like what Myra said when she stated the sequence of events, she did not recall leaving the party, then returning.
But her friend said that happened again.
It's not trying to be like, oh, do you think do you think like do you think not remembering whether you left the party and returned is of the same vein as like being fucking shot in the foot?
Like, come on.
Of course, small details like that can small details like that can escape you in a lot of instances.
That's why witness testimony is oftentimes murmured.
There's a big difference between going, I got fucking shot in the foot by that five foot two man right there, and saying, Oh, I might have left the party, I might not have left the party.
She never seen who pulled the trigger, and everybody else tests other testimony.
It's not true.
That's not true.
She testified, that's not true.
She testified, but she never said around.
Oh no, no, she never says she's seen who pulled the trigger.
She said, right.
She literally turned around.
She said, I turned my upper body around and saw she never saw Tori Lane shooting.
No, she's never seen the trigger being pulled.
She said she heard dance bitch dance.
She looked over her shoulder, she seen Tori, then she turned back around.
I'll lock a thousand dollars.
We can lock on it.
She never actually seen so obviously by circumstantial evidence, you'd assume it is Tori.
However, going back to her state of mind and not remembering though, according to the GSR report, Tori.
If if the gunfire happened at that moment, Tori had to be right next to Kelsey.
They asked her, Did you see when you turned your back and you heard that?
Did you see Kelsey anywhere near that?
She said, I'd never seen Kelsey.
Kelsey was nowhere in the vicinity.
Right.
Can you tell me by the way?
By the way, wait a way.
Uh, I already I already told you what happened in that regard.
Megan the stallion also said that she had turned around after the after hearing the voices.
Uh also Kelsey said she said she turned around as well.
But listen, listen, I have another I have another question for you, but like um you're doing the thing, and we nah broke out.
No, I because we already this is literally addressed in the court.
Like, we're in a loop now.
I'm trying to move the conversation along as best as possible.
The conversation along as quickly as possible because there's one additional thing.
This is what I like.
You said he made jail.
Uh you said he made phone calls from jail.
Yo, you said something that was obviously false.
I am holding you to the fire saying that is false.
You know what you do?
Let's move to another point.
Exactly.
Wait, wait, okay, we can go back to that.
What is it?
Here, go ahead.
Uh, sorry.
You're you're right.
I I will I will have this conversation again.
She testified under oath that she believes Tori shot her, right?
Because she saw him with the gun.
She didn't see what he pulled the trigger, she saw him with the gun before the shooter.
She also she also did say, she also did say that she turned around, like she was walking away from them.
But when she heard noises, she did turn her upper body around.
She did say that.
She said that in court.
Hold on in her testimony.
The same thing I am, but you're trying to twist it in your way.
Yes, she wait.
What do you mean?
No, no, she turned.
Hold on.
We don't care what let's just find the code.
Let's just find the quote.
If she heard listen, gallop bitch gallop.
If she heard whatever, did she see the bullets coming out of that gun?
Was her eyes locked with the shooter?
No.
She said she saw Tori with the gun.
Bro, that's crazy.
Okay, that's an insane.
So, what happened?
Tori Lanez is a fucking acrobat, and like he grabbed the gun out of Kelsey's hand in the fucking five seconds.
Yeah, of course, dude.
You know how fast bullets travel?
It's kind of the whole point.
Okay, so so you're actually you're now doing the the theatric show.
Wait, no, of course, because I'm a normal human being with a normal human being brain.
Obviously, when she says I turned around as a Tori with the gun.
That's that's immediately after immediately after she got shot.
All right, so so let me give you why that's relevant.
Are you gonna let me make this point?
Okay, I want to hear this.
Yes, I want to hear why this is relevant.
It goes back to her to in intoxication and her not remembering what happened, according to her.
There was no um the um there was a witness that testified that she got out of the car and she walked towards the passenger side.
I forget on which side, but that's also in line with Sean Kelly, who said there was a fight.
She claims she doesn't remember that.
She only remembers walking away, then hearing dance bitch dance.
The reason why I'm saying that, I'm not I'm not saying that she just blatantly lied about that.
I'm saying because her memories now in question because of how inebriated she's at.
Keep in mind, they also said, Well, if you turned around, yeah, but that but it's still but it literally still like straight up fucking is is corroborated by Kelsey's testimony originally, and you can't undermine it by claiming her original testimony.
Yo, Hassan, Hassan, her original testimony does not matter.
You keep trying to go ahead off of the police interview.
She admitted, yo, Hassan, here are the facts.
Okay, she went in, she gave the police a statement in September of 2022, two years after the fact, and she went ahead and implicated Tori as the shooter.
She went and corroborated uh a lot of Meg's story and said all this stuff to pin it on Tori.
She gets on the stand, switches her story, says straight up, I lied.
And then they asked, Why did you lie?
And she says, Because to protect myself, and she kept repeating to protect my life.
When you say that, you're making it seem like every part of her testimony was incorrect.
She said she lied in the interview and still refused to do so.
No, so you're she openly said I lied in that interview earlier with the police.
There were lies and no, but there is multiple facts to that conversation.
Then they asked directly pinpointing a singular piece of information that she said was incorrect.
Do you realize how ridiculous you sound if someone is saying of course lies because no one said someone says you know uh apples are red, okay, and then they say the sky is green in that interview, okay?
And then they turn around and testify and say, actually, I lied about that interview.
Does that mean apples are not red?
Oh, you don't get what I'm saying.
If so, if if I said I lied about something, no matter what I lied about, and she didn't even say she lied about something.
She said that it was inconsistent with uh even if if okay, okay, let's go with that.
You don't think that you don't think your credibility is now in doubt, brother?
You still think that that's a credible thing.
You have no hundred percent truthful and was given immunity so she could clarify her statements, which she refused to do.
Um, she did not do that.
She also said she is currently under like a lot of pressure, which is understandable, and ultimately did not reveal any additional information, but she had the opportunity to say what she lied about and change her testimony, which she did not do.
So, of course, ultimately they used her original testimony, okay?
Which is incredible because she said that she lied and it wasn't true.
Like, bro, you're missing you don't understand use that, it doesn't work.
And then when they asked her evidence that has been gathered, you know you've built cases before, right?
Like, this is evidence that've been gathered.
You can't just be like, Okay, well, I guess we just throw the whole case away.
Like that, that's not how this works.
Oh man, bro.
I mean, come on.
That's not how this works.
It is exactly how it works because a witness's credibility is everything.
No, that's not witnesses' credibility is everything, Hassan.
Okay, and the other thing, too.
We could talk about the witnesses not being credible.
We could talk about the lead detective being under investigation, having giglio issues and being on admin leave.
We could talk about how the police didn't properly secure the area and properly place evidence tags on all the bullet fragments and the blood, and they weren't able to get an actual trajectory of how uh uh excuse me, a path of how Megan walked.
We could we could talk about how Kelsey was sitting in the backseat behind Megan, Megan was sitting in the front seat, Tori was sitting in the back left passenger seat behind the driver.
How would he have had time to go ahead and run around the corner, grab the gun, say yeah, dance bitch, dance, and then actually shoot her when she was only walking for a few seconds?
From the open door, he shot from the open door of the car.
She said he was standing.
See, that's another line.
That's what I'm trying to tell you, bro.
There's there's holes all over the place where there's not necessarily a clear cut situation.
Also, there's discrepancy.
Hassan, let me finish.
There's a discrepancy between what the prosecution said in opening statements and Meg.
And I'll go ahead and I'll read it for you because I went ahead and took some notes on this from before because I covered.
I have another, I have another question.
I finished my point before.
What is this point?
Let me finish the question.
Kelsey's testimony goes.
Let me let me finish.
Dude, are you serious?
Uh let me finish my point before you ask your question.
I'm saying that there's a discrepancy.
There's like two statements now that I want to fucking talk about.
Hey, hey, hey.
No, we're we're gonna get this.
I let you speak.
Okay, go ahead.
I actually see the difference between me and you, Hassan, is that I listened to you speak and I understand it.
That's why I'm able to refuse it.
I'm sorry, go ahead, please.
So the discrepancy is this prosecutor said that Kelsey went to Meg after being shot.
Then when Tori ran up to try to attack her, Kelsey got in the middle, front Tori off, and he grabbed her by the hair.
That's why her nail broke and her pendant broke, right?
That's what the prosecution said, and opening statements.
However, Meg said when she got shot, Tori and Kelsey came at her at the same time, and she didn't make any mention of them actually fighting.
So that's a huge discrepancy there.
Okay.
Well, that's not a dis no, that is literally not a discrepancy.
She not revealing that piece of information might be for any million different fucking reasons, given the adrenaline-packed circumstance and the fact that she turned around and saw who had the gun.
If you're getting shot at and you see who has the fucking gun, who shot you with, okay, who they who you got shot with, the gun that you got shot with, then obviously, like that's what you're hyper focusing on.
Okay.
I under that is totally understandable.
That does not make her like a non-credible witness.
This standard, if this standard was applied to every single court case, literally, no one would get jailed for murder.
I hope you understand.
But you're missing it.
There is no situation.
The only thing that would be evidence on this would be just Video footage of Tori Lane's shooting Megan the Stallion going dance bitch dance.
And even then I feel like you'd probably still defend it.
You're missing the point there, going back to what I was talking about.
It's not conclusive.
It's my point, including the text message that Tory Lanez sent to Megan D. Stallion.
That was not actually a phone conversation from jail.
That was a text message that Tory Lanes actually sent to Megan the Stallion saying, I apologize.
I'm so sorry how things happen.
Um, I can't remember.
It was not on a jail phone.
Yeah, it was not actually like a snitch situation.
Yeah.
And in that circumstance, you would absolutely fucking say, you would absolutely say something like, Oh, that's crazy.
Like, I can't believe that shit happened, rather than saying, Oh, I'm so sorry, Meg.
I know you probably never gonna talk to me again, but I genuinely want you to know I'm sorry from the bottom of my heart, and I was just too drunk.
Okay, nonetheless, shit should have never happened, and I can't change what I did.
I just feel horrible.
You think after Megan the Stalin got shot, you think that like that's a text message that you're sending to a human being.
We're talking reason, okay, within the bounds of reason.
You think you're sending that text message to be like, oh man, it's so crazy.
I like you know, uh uh revealed your your information.
Or do you think you'd be like, how crazy was it that uh you know Kelsey fucking shot you?
Because this is between two parties that are still trying to make amends.
Okay, Hassan, I already addressed the sex message when I was going through the evidence.
I told you that there's reasons why he could be apologizing.
It could have been for him hitting on Kylie Jenner in front of her, it could have been on him getting a fight started between her own.
It could have been him, you know what I mean?
Okay, I understand that.
I feel like that's something you would address first.
Okay, I get that, I get that.
But there were so many things that occurred that night.
Okay, good, that he could be apologizing for.
You understand that.
Okay, good.
I just wanted to mention that because it it's not even like completely relevant to the conversation, like I say, because it's not evidence.
You can't use this as evidence that like Tori Lane shot Megan the Stallion for sure.
But the reason why um I wanted to bring this up is because like we're just having a conversation between two guys uh within like common reason and reasonable boundaries would also, you know, reasonable boundaries would also dictate that you would most likely uh talk about the main issue at hand, someone getting shot.
I understand that, Hassan.
But what I am saying is that there were so many things that happened negatively to Megan that night that he could have apologized for any of it.
That's by your logic, that means if you tell someone my condolences or I'm sorry for your loss, that means that you were the murderer or the shooter of that person that deceased.
I'm saying he's sorry for what happened to her.
Yeah, if I wait, what?
I if I shot someone and then I and then they survived, and I said I'm sorry for what I did that night.
Yeah, it kind of seems like I shot that person.
But we're having a conversation that's reasonable.
He never admitted to shooting her.
If I said I can't change what I did, she he basically said everything, but I'm sorry I shot you.
Okay, but do you know what else he did that night and going, no, there's a million different reasons.
There's a million reasons sorry because he actually said a no-no word.
What if he was sorry because he actually revealed that he wanted to fuck Kylie Jenner that night?
Like, bro, she got shot.
Of course, she's of course he's talking about how he shot her.
No, see, that's what you're coming.
That's what you're coming to the conclusion of.
But what I'm saying is that a bunch of things happened to Meg that night.
He could have apologized for a multitude of reasons.
I've outlined this before.
He hit on Kylie from the case.
By the way, is this like I said, it's not even physical in court.
It's like funny that you defend this.
No, but what I'm saying is that but that's the point, bro.
The defense's job is to create reasonable doubt.
We don't know what he apologized for.
It could have been him hitting on Kotley, it could have been him getting uh starting the fight between him and Kelsey, her and Kelsey getting in a fist fight.
It could have been her getting shot, it could have been Kelsey shooting at her out real quick, it could have been it could have been any of these.
Sorry that we got into a fight on the night that like your the girl that you were seeing, let's say, got shot by another girl.
That's what you're saying.
Like you're actually texting that text message.
You're saying, I'm sorry for how I conducted myself when you got shot.
Is that that's uh that's you would say that you think, dude, what I would do versus what happened to Tori are two different things.
I'm saying he could have apologized for a multitude of reasons.
You're just saying he apologized because he shot her.
No, there was a bunch of things that came out that night that no one knew about.
For example, Kelsey did not know that she shot.
I don't think she gives a few.
Please stop for two seconds.
Please stop for two seconds, feeder believes.
Please stop for two seconds and listen.
Because the difference between me and you is I listen very closely to everything you say.
You don't listen to anything that I say.
You gotta understand that when Tori said, yo, Meg, just so you know, you backstabbed your friend.
You were fucking on me, you're fucking on the baby, etc.
That was the first time that Kelsey heard that information.
Okay.
So she obviously felt some type of way.
They're all drunk, emotions are high.
Then all three of them are arguing in the love triangle.
Kelsey did not know that information until Tori exposed it.
And she embarrassed, he embarrassed the fuck out of Meg.
So that is what led to the physical altercation between Kelsey and Meg.
They were best friends prior to the situation.
So there's a multitude of reasons why Tori might be apologizing.
It does not necessarily have to be just because he shot her.
If they had a physical altercation and Kelsey shot her, why did she blame Tori Lane's?
Bro, that also can be explained.
It could have been she was trying to take away some responsibility from herself.
It could have been, oh, I need to pin this on somebody.
You think she was shot?
She would have to describe her position.
No, she would have been like, I got fucking shot by this crazy Kelsey.
You're crazy.
Your mind, that's how that works.
But that's not how that works in the fucking court of law.
If she got shot by Kelsey and they fought and they fucking hate one another, clearly she's gonna be like, I got shot by this crazy bitch Kelsey.
Lock her up.
No, she wouldn't because they were best friends prior.
She was probably trying to protect Kelsey.
Why would she not?
She would not snitch on your own.
So why is she not?
But like, but like that doesn't make any sense.
That doesn't make any sense.
There was a lot of people.
You turn around and be like, oh yeah, actually, Kelsey's the one who's responsible.
Like your own logical box that you have created doesn't make sense when you ask like three or four questions about motives of people that you're not hyper focusing on.
Uh look, this is common sense, bro.
The video showing like why is Tori protecting Kelsey?
Why is Megan protecting Kelsey when when Kelsey's the one who shot uh uh Megan in that circumstance?
Like it makes no sense.
She didn't see, bro.
Like, she wouldn't even know.
She just looked all she heard was dance bitch.
If that was the case, then why did Kelsey say, Well, did you hear the words dance bitch?
She said, now where'd you hear that from?
That was her verbatim answer to that.
If you didn't, she didn't hear she didn't hear uh the the words dance bitch.
Fine, okay.
That's fine.
I mean, that that tired open with that.
You're not responding to my question.
Why would Megan the Stallion defend Kelsey despite being shot, even if they are no longer friends and they're no longer friends, you know what I mean?
Because who's the bigger enemy?
Like, you think you think what Kelsey's bigger enemy is the person who shot her.
Her and Kelsey were best friends at the time.
In a situation, that's crazy that you think that like a person can literally be like, oh my god, I got shot by this woman, but I fucking hate Tori Lanez more.
That's an insane inference, dude.
Come on.
Meg use common sense.
Meg only named Tori after Meg basically came out and said, I'm tired of sparing you.
He says one more lie.
I'm tired of sparing you.
She tweeted this.
This was basically her thinking that blogs and media were trying to um portray her as either part of the melee that happened that night or making it seem like she was shot.
Okay, no, I'm not you're saying the obvious, my guy.
But but I'm not trying to tell you when she named Tori.
I'm trying to tell you when she named Tori and why she had a reason to name him.
She had a reason to name him because she felt that the media was kind of painting her in a situation where she was lumping them with her and also making her seem to be the bad guy.
So she then basically threatened, then she said she went on live.
She said, Tori shot me.
Okay.
Criminal charges never came till then.
So if you're wondering, oh wait, wait.
You're talking about the IG live where Megan Eastallion says Tori Lanez shot her.
Okay.
She that was like that was that was that was August 20th, though.
You made it seem like it took her years to fucking uh admit this.
It was at least a month.
Yeah, that's that's not all that much time.
What do you mean?
She got shot.
Listen, her original in it.
What's your logic?
Her original reasoning in this situation was to like get away from the situation.
If her original Yeah, okay, a month like what is your logic?
If someone shot you, would you wait a month to tell the police?
What's your logic?
I mean, she already well, come actually, as a matter of fact, I wouldn't, but Megan the Stallion explained why she did.
She waited a month because of what?
Because she talked to them four days later, too.
Wait, she waited a fucking month because during that entire timeline, people were, as you already said, literally blaming her for fucking being shot and and putting her uh putting the responsibility on her after she got fucking shot.
That's crazy.
She did not originally want to fucking snitch.
Maybe because she's a rapper, like you guys also uh said, you know, there's a rapper code.
You didn't want to snitch, she didn't want to fucking snitch on Tori Lane's, but after after people fucking constantly push you the goddamn brink, and you're literally the victim in that circumstance.
Yeah, of course you're gonna fucking come out and say, like, yeah, what the fuck is this shit?
I got shot by Tori Lanez, and you motherfuckers are claiming that I'm the responsible party when my feet got bullet holes in them.
Well, again, I'm answering your statement of why wouldn't she possibly say let's say it was Kelsey?
Why wouldn't she come out and just say Kelsey?
Well, she didn't hold on a second.
You jumped the gun too much.
Hold on.
I'm telling you, she didn't come out to say Tori either.
The reason why she came out to say Tory is because she felt Tori was playing games with the media.
So it's only oh so it's it's fair to assume that her calling his name was a direct result of what she felt he was doing, not that she came to some type of oh, I'm ready to speak.
So now when you say, Well, why wouldn't she name Kelsey?
Kelsey isn't a star.
Kelsey has no type of power and control over the media or the narrative.
Again, why if you waited that long, even if it was Kelsey, why say anything?
Kelsey can't affect your career, can't affect the narrative.
But who can Tory Lanez?
I hope you understood that part.
It's crazy.
You think she got clout off of fucking if she's gonna get cloud?
She could have fucking jumped the gun from the start.
Brother, you're listening.
Then she would have just said what happened that night.
Your listen skills are so crazy, brother.
You don't listen, you don't listen.
That's the problem.
Hold on, my dude.
I'm I'm you're you said one thing.
I'm gonna repeat what you said.
You said, Oh, if if if if it was Kelsey that shot her, why wouldn't she just say Kelsey?
So I reminded you.
Well, she didn't say Tori till at least over a month later.
Then I reminded you why she was shot.
She was shot, so she can't lie about being shot because she was.
Brother, hear what I'm saying.
Here's what I'm saying.
She named someone a month later.
It's important.
Why did she name someone at that juncture?
She didn't.
Everyone kept fucking blaming her for being shot.
And that is why she admitted who was actually the person who's responsible.
This is why this is why I also literally explained why she did not name Tori Lane originally.
Her friend was the one who named Tori that night, though.
We're talking about why did she name him a month later?
This is why you gotta listen more and read more, my brother.
Oh my god.
I can tell you because it's it's it's clear.
I'll make a bet with you.
You won't make it because you're not that informed.
You just keep saying the obvious, but you were shot, brother.
We know this.
You're gonna say that for the 15,000 time.
We know your inferences are incorrect.
You're you're making like you're stretching, you're bro.
You're stretching harder than the fucking gymnastics team.
That's why it's ridiculous to me.
Oh, wait, hold on.
I'm going back to you.
She's trying to ground you with like I keep trying to ground you with like actual facts from the case.
Go back to your point.
You said if she got shot by Kelsey, why wouldn't she just say it?
I'm I'm bringing you step by step why she said Tory and when she did.
She did not say Tori Lane's is what is it?
Give me the steps again.
So you're not listening.
I am, but it makes no fucking sense.
I have to hear it a million times.
Go on.
It's because I responded to it, I responded to it, and you said that's not what I meant.
So go on, please clarify.
She believed that Tori and his influence was playing games and making her look a certain way.
Keep in mind that would not be the same for Kelsey, right?
That's why she's incentivized to name Tori when she did.
She put out that makes no sense.
And here's why.
Okay, are you ready?
She says lie one more time, and I'm gonna talk about just say it.
Here's why that makes no sense because Tori Lanez is like playing games with her or whatever.
She could just easily turn around and be like, Kelsey shot me because there's only two people involved in the process.
If she had come out and said Kelsey shot me, Tori Lanez would no longer by your own logic play games with her.
What is Tori gonna say?
Turn around and be like, actually, no, it was me who shot Megan.
Fuck no, that would have ended the conversation because if Kelsey had shot her, she would have just fucking said that.
But Tori shot her.
And that's why she said Tory Lane shot me.
This is an insane thing.
It's such a major stretch that it literally could not filter through my brain.
But you are literally using like a mental block or you're doing mental gymnastics not to understand.
What?
Here's what I'm saying.
Here's what I'm saying.
You initially said, I'm only going off what you said.
Why wouldn't she name Kelsey?
Well, actually, she wasn't trying to name anyone.
She wasn't trying to name anyone.
Okay.
Even if you go back to her Gail King interview, which you can't do.
Okay, but okay, but like you understand what was what was Tory Lane's lying about.
What was Tory Lane's lying about at the time?
Wait, hold on.
You won't even let me finish.
Not only did she reference it or Gail King interview, she referenced it even when she got alive.
She said, I wouldn't have even said nothing.
I was gonna let it go.
Okay.
So again, when you said why wouldn't she name Kelsey?
It seems like she was never going to name Kelsey, even if it was Kelsey.
Okay, let it what?
No, that you can't make that.
You literally just leaped into that.
Okay.
And Kelsey shot her.
Kelsey shot her.
The most logical thing for her to say is Kelsey fucking shot me.
Tori Lane is just lying for some weird reason.
I don't know why.
And what is Tory Lanez gonna do in that situation?
Be like, no, actually, Kelsey didn't shoot her.
Megan shot herself, or no, actually, Kelsey didn't shoot her, I shot her.
No, that would have fucking destroyed any argument that anyone could have ever had.
The reason why she came out and said Tory Lane shot me is because fucking Tory Lane's shot her.
That's it.
And this is a wild these are wild leaps to make.
I'm I'm serious.
Like these are wild leaps to make.
Like it's it's I'm trying as best as I possibly can to try to like comprehend where you're coming from with this, but like there's so much motivated reasoning playing a role in your assertions here that like it's hard to it's hard to like you know get in there, it's hard to like get armor a little bit.
Yeah, because you think women can't lie.
That's the problem.
That's why you can't understand.
Of course, lie, women lie all the time.
Everyone lies.
Okay, human beings are liars.
This is a fucking bullshit straw man that everyone's like, oh, you're a SJW.
Women can't lie.
Of course, women can lie.
What the fuck do you mean?
Okay, and Meg has lied plenty of times, and I'm saying that the whole case was based on her testimony.
You're saying I believe her, but she's lied several times.
Bro, she got shot though.
You're like, that's clear.
She doesn't know who shot her.
She doesn't know who shot her.
She really doesn't.
She claimed it's Tory, but she knows she does know who shot her.
And every single counter that you brought up about like why she didn't name Kelsey is ridiculous.
It falls flat on its fucking feet.
She lied in her testimony several times.
She did not admit that they got into a physical altercation, which again is very important to the story, right?
She did not admit that her Kelsey isn't important to the story.
You think it was self-defense?
You think like that Tori Lanez was shot her because like it was self-defense.
Because if she doesn't admit that her and Kelsey got into a physical altercation right before the shots were fired, guess what it does?
It paints Tori as a probable shooter, and she admitted that from her testimony.
You're still making that from her testimony.
Making the argument that like she somehow has reason to defend Kelsey, even though Kelsey fucking shot her, which is insane, okay.
Bro, yo, you must insane.
Yo, if someone shoots you, if someone shoots you, okay.
If someone shoots you, I you know, in that situation, I probably fucking tell the cops, okay.
I can call me a snitch.
There are many instances where I am a victim of shit, and I don't fucking uh I do not collaborate with the police, okay?
This is one of those things where I'm like, okay, well, I got shot by this motherfucker, bro.
I'm trying to close you that Megan's not a credible witness, she was drunk, and she's a lot of credibility, right?
Now, granted, okay, like I know you're gonna say the same dumb three things that we're like we're kind of agreeing with, but just listen to my train of thought.
Just think you're a juror for one second.
You're you're trying to make shit make sense.
I I think there is a reason why both Kelsey and Meg both conveniently forgot when they may have fought each other, even though an eye witness said they were fighting for several minutes.
They both do not they both misremember that exact part, okay.
Now, granted, I think in the um defense side, that part is very important if you're trying to cast doubt, right?
If it seems like a woman's just walking away and you shoot her, you seem very malicious, and it just seems like there's it's open and shut.
But if there was a fight that was happening for minutes, that was this okay, I that makes sense, but here's what doesn't make sense, okay?
For this to work, Megan the Stallion would have to hate Tori Lanes more than the fucking person that she fought who shot her.
Okay, so that is insane.
So let me add some points here.
That's my point.
Okay, it's I got you.
I got you.
I got you.
You cannot connect those two dots.
I got like you're literally saying like she hates men so much that she wanted to blame a man or something.
So there's a video, right?
After the incident happened, please show it up.
You can hear Kelsey saying clearly, Meg are you okay?
Mega, you're okay.
So they were still uh friends at our point.
So they did even though they thought they were not like enemies.
So what's the best option here?
You know what?
Us girls, let's talk.
You know what?
Tori's the one that's being left out here.
We're still friends.
Let's put on Tori.
Pretty much, but that's it.
They're friends still at that point.
So it's like, bro, your argument, I get it, but they're still friends at that point.
Thank you.
Okay.
I mean, I I got nothing.
You you owned me, man.
I I I got nothing on that.
Here's the thing.
I think Tori has a very strong case for an appeal here.
Tori has a very strong case for an appeal.
And uh we'll see what happens.
Okay, well, good luck.
Good luck to him.
Look, I don't want to see uh I don't I look, I'm not I'm not too fond of the criminal justice system in general.
I do think that he did it.
I do think that he deserves to go to prison for uh, you know, at least uh extended period of time.
He definitely I think he fucked up if I'm gonna be as charitable as possible.
Um ultimately, though, you know, Megan D. Stalin did get shot.
This team fucked up raising reasonable doubt.
Just talking no, I don't think so.
I think like in order for there to be a little bit more clarity, a little bit more clarity in that circumstance, it would literally have to be, it would literally have to just straight up fucking be video evidence, like at that point.
That's it.
Okay.
Um by the way, I was being sarcastic.
I don't know if that dude uh recognized that or not, but um, you know, but it's fine.
Love you guys, thank you so much for this.
Okay.
Um listen, listen, number one, I I do say I accept the verdict.
I I thought there was a decent, uh pretty decent job done with uh raising, you know.
Um, you know, uh reasonable doubt, clearly not to the jury, and it is what it is, you know what I mean?
Well, let's all new camp for your content.
You got you got your content now?
Hope you're happy.
And uh your trolling was hilarious, by the way.
So thank you for the controlling.
Oh, bro.
Okay, listen, listen.
Um you're the one who asked to be on this call, okay.
Like, I mean, I'm fine with having a conversation with you, debating you or whatever you want, but like it's not like I was like, oh, please bring the fresh and fit boys in here.
No, especially like which one is fresh and which one's fit.
Uh we we we I've been talking with academics about this for the better part of a week.
We've been covering this case, so nice try on that one.
Yeah, no, no, no, I know, I know.
I just I really wanted the the fucking uh content from you guys.
I was like, please, DJ, please, DJ, please bring him.
No, that's not what happened.
You wanted to come on, which is fine.
You're you're like, we weren't gonna come out act regardless.
We didn't care if you're on it.
It's cool.
I'm gonna have a little bit of fun.
Like, I'm gonna troll a little bit.
Come on.
No, yeah, I mean you throw when you're taking L's on arguments.
You take ad hominem attacks, you're supposed to be a master debater, you couldn't keep it factual.
You were emotional about it.
I suck at debates, I don't know where that came.
No, you really do.
You're very much like debates, you're very good at debates.
Everybody keeps saying that I am, but I'm not, I don't think.
You're very emotional.
Unless it's like Andrew Tate, he's just very bad at debates.
So you think Charlie Kirk got you or not?
No, no, absolutely not.
And your argument about women being better drivers was also comical as well.
Oh, here we fuck.
Okay, look, use insurance rates for your argument at a different time, but sure, you know, I can't, I can't spend I can't spend six hours uh uh talking to you guys.
All right, I got I got some other stuff that I need to cover.
Bro, yes, you are very busy showing.
You gotta be ducking it.
Facts.
I would what did you say, Oc?
You kind of been kind of been ducking every time I mentioned mine, like you you were like, it's because uh the reason why I do debates when I end up doing them, I guess, is often because I think like someone has uh really damaging ideas and they're able to spread those damaging ideas to like a very large audience, right?
Um, and it it's more so it's not even like to stop the spread of said ideas, right?
It's not like I'm calling for deplatforming or anything, yeah, but it's more so to just like address them adequately so people have a better understanding of like what the other side's perspective is, right?
And so the reason why I will like debate someone like Andrew T is because like I mean, he's all over the place.
People will turn around and say, Oh, that's clout sharking or whatever the fuck.
And to them I say, Well, you know, that is what matters in this circumstance.
I want to tamp, I want to temper someone's influence and at least like show that there's a different perspective on a large enough platform.
Okay, then why is it that when one me and Andrew me and Andrew challenged you and Ethan Klein to a debate that was the time when they didn't know me and Andrew, me and Andrew literally said we would debate you two, you and Ethan gladfully on intersexual dynamics, and you guys ducked and said, No, we're not gonna do that, blah blah blah.
And the other thing to us this whole thing about I need people to have a big audience or whatever.
Why you're saying that?
Are are you sorry?
Um, but as you can tell, I'm perfectly willing and able to hold a conversation with you.
Um I don't know, I don't know what happened with uh I don't know what happened with the Ethan thing, but I'm I mean, I was I was always very much uh down to have a conversation.
And keep in mind also inside you're the one that talks about us first, bro.
We never mentioned you not one time, it was you making a bunch of hit pieces on us, dude.
Yeah, well, well, when I first started, I mean, I don't know if you're talking about like me and Ethan together, but like when I first saw you guys, you guys were popping.
I would have definitely debated you back then.
Saying now, not so much.
So I was like, bro.
What are you talking about?
We're more popping than you are.
Okay, we're it's great.
I'm happy for you guys' success.
I haven't seen it, but if I do, I will, you know, I'll be able to do that.
That's because you're on Twitch, we're on YouTube.
We've been on YouTube two years, bro, and we're almost as many subscribers as you.
What are you talking about?
We're definitely popping.
No, I mean, um, congratulations to you guys.
Uh like I said, when when you guys have like big enough uh uh influence like a big enough audience, like Andrew Tate did at the time.
Then that's a cat because I told you us and Andrew would debate y'all, and you guys still ran.
So what do you what ex what is this excuse, bro?
Y'all still ran because when it comes to intersexual dynamics, okay.
My friend, I'm your ideology is flawed.
I don't want to debate you on like why I already told you I was not interested.
You know what I mean?
That's like kind of yeah, you make hit pieces on us.
We've never once talked shit about you until you started talking shit about us.
You came at us first.
Big fact so you want to start it, I'll finish it.
Let's go because you because you had you had a lot of fucking videos that were popping at the time.
A lot of people were spreading it and going, Oh my god, what is this fresh and fit guys doing?
It doesn't happen anymore.
That's part of the reason.
You know what I mean?
Okay, that's literally the main thing.
You're a cloud matter.
You're not really here to uh uh you know argue topics or ideas, you're here to just chase clouds.
Like, I don't think you're gonna be able to do that.
But if you want to if you want to talk about there are plenty of people who are much better debaters than myself, I would say destiny is one of those.
Show the DMs, like I'm sure.
Us in H3 day, you know, do that.
I showed the DMs between us and H3.
Y'all ran, bro.
Y'all ran.
And Andrew was the most popping guy in the world.
I don't know why you keep saying uh us in H3.
I've never I've I don't think I've ever gotten a DM from you.
Okay.
All right, man.
I I'm I'm pretty sure we've definitely communicated that we could have this discussion.
I mean, I mean, I'm here right now.
We can talk about it.
I like I said, I'm down.
Whatever.
Get your cloud up.
If if there's like enough cloud as well, you're not as popping as you think you are.
I'll have a conversation with you guys directly.
How about that?
I can't accomplish as you think you are.
You are delusional if you think so, bro.
We've been on YouTube two years.
I'm not being on here for how long.
I don't think I'm a competent debater anyway.
There's better debaters than me out there.
You're not just a cloud farmer because I've seen you like you know talk about situations and ideas that are from very small creators.
Well, I think, yeah, because it's not about cloud, it's about the damage being done.
Oh no, it's about fear.
That's what it's about.
It's about fear.
You are scared right now because you understand that when it comes to intersexual dynamics, you are incompetent.
Just like talking about this trial, you are incompetent.
You don't know all the details, yet you're still speaking.
The difference between me and you is I don't speak on something unless I know it.
Is that's the difference between me and crazy?
It's pretty crazy because you were you were very confidently talking about the Fifth Amendment, which you definitely did not understand.
So I it seems to me like you are talking about things you don't know anything about.
You cannot talk about women.
I feel like I feel like He has no idea.
Like, if I were to ask, if I wanted to learn about how women are, I think you guys are the last people I would go to to get advice.
Really?
Really?
It's funny.
You needed most, dude.
Okay.
Um anyway.
Look, there are bigger, there are bigger and more successful misogynists that I'm willing to debate.
It's all the same shit anyway.
But when you guys get the cloud, your arguments are weak, bro.
You literally said women are better drivers because they have cheaper insurance rates to Andrew, which is ridiculous argument.
Uh look, we'll do this.
We'll do this at a later date.
All right, man.
Just take that L and run it.
Just take that one run, bro.
I have we are more relevant than you are.
We are way more relevant than you are.
Things I gotta talk about.
I gave you guys like six hours, man.
All right, dude.
It's fine.
You can run, but we are way more relevant than you are.
I'm running around.
And you talked about us first.
I believe you couldn't.
And you talked about us first.
We never talked about you.
All right.
You started it.
I'll be happy to finish it.
So what are you doing?
You're like a grown ass man.
You're about to cry on this fucking phone.
I'm not crying on a fucking doctor.
I'm not crying.
Jesus Christ.
I'm keeping it factual.
Holy shit.
Didn't you like lock up Muslim people and shit back in the day?
You should be a little bit more ruthless than this.
Yeah, you're keeping it factual.
You're the one that's emotional.
I'm keeping it factual, bro.
Very emotional, bro.
Yeah, you are keeping it factual.
Holding back tears over here because I don't want to fucking talk to you guys any longer.
Then the fucking four hours get off the stream, dude.
And get off the stream.
You don't know about the Fifth Amendment.
You don't know what you're talking about.
You're not.
This is out of your wheelhouse.
I literally explained the Flip Amendment.
You cannot assert the Fifth Amendment unless you reasonably that you will be prosecuted for said crime.
Kelsey does not get the same.
The conversation would have been over.
I'm for I guess I am sexist for giving you this much time.
Asan, you did do the same thing to Tate.
You kind of bulldoze the conversation.
Hey, listen, let it happen.
Oh, dude.
Yeah, don't even get me start about Tate.
Motherfuckers like lying, saying I'm like running from him and shit.
He was like, Oh, I won that debate.
And he won't debate me again.
It's like that's not true.
I will fucking gladly debate over talk people.
Stop the cat.
What are we talking about?
For the most of the part.
And it's funny because, dude, you run from us many times.
You and it's what is this guy saying?
Oh my god, bro.
Hold on, you would debate Andrew Tate again.
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah, I do it.
Stop the cat.
Bro, on one end, you say you're not a cloud chaser, but why would I fucking why why would I run away from this dude?
He literally like he had to get out of the conversation.
He's like, these people are not intimidating.
Okay.
Well, they're not their ideas are not great.
And their rhetoric is not great either.
How are we misogynists, please?
Tell me that.
How are we misogynists?
Tell me how we're misogynists.
Boys, boys, boys, boys.
I have to pee.
Okay.
This is this is very real.
I have I've held it in for far too long.
Go sit down and be like you normally then.
Go sit down and be like you're normal.
I don't have a I don't have the peanut gallery like the Fed and the other dude had.
Go sit down and pee.
Sit down and pee, man.
I don't know why you're still here then.
Go sit down and pee.
Put a blanket down too, buddy.
Like, I find it amazing.
I find it amazing.
You've been talking shit.
You've been talking shit.
Dude, you no, I'm not even gonna say that.
I'm just saying, you've been talking shit for over a year.
I'm here right here, right now.
And you're running go sit down and pee, bro.
Go, go sit down and pee.
Or we can have a discussion.
Either or but you've been talking shit for a year.
I'm here now.
I'm here now.
You've been talking shit for a year.
You gotta you have the you have to have you've been talking shit for a year thing.
You talk for a living, you talk on a podcast for a living.
I really I I feel bad.
I feel like it's I'm getting like secondhand embarrassment from a person who talks for a living, only only being able to retaliate with like literal 12-year-old insults.
Like you're like a playground bully.
Like, oh, you sit down and pee.
Come on, you can be a little bit more creative.
Not your co-host.
I mean, he's gone.
I don't think he's got anything in him, but you at least could be a little bit more creative.
You know what I mean?
My point is this, dude.
You've been talking shit about us for over a year.
I'm here right here, right now.
You made a nonsensical argument with Andrew as far as insurance rates are what make without uh female drivers better, which is a ridiculous argument to make in the first place.
It doesn't make sense.
You call us massages, etc.
I'm here, we can have this discussion, but you want to say, I gotta go pee.
Then fine.
Go sit down and pee, go leave the stream, and it's fine.
It's no big deal.
Us and I could talk about the case, but you've been wrong on a multitude of things on this discussion.
Listen, we'll we'll we'll we'll bring this back up on a later day when you're running out of content or something.
That's Because it is entertaining.
You guys are very entertaining.
That's cool, man.
But again, like I said before, you make a bunch of arguments.
I don't know why you're still here.
I know you might get crazy, but I really gotta go.
It is kind of fair that if you call the massage, that's like a heavy like fucking stop.
I know what you're doing.
I I I know what you're doing.
Stop trying to pull me back in.
Stand on what you said.
If you're gonna talk shit, like I said before, we're here now.
You started it.
I will be glad to finish it.
But you want to run and piss, go ahead.
It's fine.
He can't do it.
It's fine.
Go ahead, go ahead and piss.
But again, unlike you, I talk about topics I know.
When it comes to court, trials, criminal investigations, bro.
Girls.
Don't go out like that, bro.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Okay, okay.
I gotta go.
Thank you, guys.
We'll do this.
We'll do this at a later time.
You're running.
You know what?
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
I will I will have a conversation with you guys again.
Okay, I promise.
I said it on.
Look, clip it.
Clip it.
Okay.
I've said it in front of thousands of people.
Okay.
Will it be against me if I don't talk to you again?
Okay.
I promise.
All this time that you were saying that you're gonna leave and you're gonna pay.
We could have had a discussion already.
You don't have enough fucking content and it's like kind of boring.
It's now you could have left.
We could have had a discussion by now.
Peter Pants, big boy.
You keep you keep talking about oh, I gotta pee, but you're still here, bro.
You can leave.
You're you're more than welcome to leave it any time.
I clipped it, okay?
In good faith.
I'm just letting you know that uh, you know, I will have this conversation again.
I ain't gonna laugh.
Sorry, guys.
I will let him talk to me like that, bro.
I'm gonna I might not I might not have Mr. 35 year old's hairline yet, but I I am an adult.
Let's try as well back though.
Let's try another.
I'm just saying, you know, we we can't take this type of conversation, bro.
I'm just saying, bro.
He running, you're running turn into Goku, instant transmission, which is fine.
It's fine.
But if I talk shit about someone for a year and then they're like, Here, let's have that discussion.
You sound crazy.
That's all it is.
By the way, I definitely like Hassan's content, you know, even though sometimes he's talking about me too.
But like, you know, I kind of just wearing good faith.
Um I definitely think he is conducting you guys though.
And I don't know why, because I think the whole thing about clout is BS because I'm telling you, I've watched his content a bunch of times and I've seen him really get into it, kind of debate ideas and ideology that a lot of people would definitely let the clout had.
You know what I mean?
So it's like, you know, you you're picking and choosing now.
And I mean, uh yeah, the thing here's the thing.
Uh, if he wants to use a clout route, again, I I literally have the DMs I showed them.
We I told them, yo, we'll debate H3 in person and California.
Me and Andrew will go.
And this one, Andrew is the most Googled man on earth.
I was on the phone talking with Andrew on WhatsApp while we're having that discussion, and they ran.
I showed the DMs to H3.
So Hassan could sit here and say all these things, blah, blah, blah.
But then when confronted, he does he's out of his element.
He knows it's gonna be an L. So it's fine.
And also, here's a big difference, right?
He Googles stuff from the internet.
He doesn't have experience.
We have experience in the field.
He does not.
So him debating us will be kind of low because he doesn't understand what we go through.
And he made a ridiculous argument saying that Kelsey's the fact that Kelsey took the Fifth Amendment can't be used by the jury, and that that is ridiculous.
I literally just got off texting my lawyer friend.
It absolutely can be used by the jury to disqualify her as a witness because she took the fifth, which contradicted the prior statement she gave to the police in September.
But Hassan's saying that no, she gets that Fifth Amendment privilege and they can't judge her.
They absolutely can.
The only person that gets that protection is Tori Lates because he is the actual accused that's on trial, not Kelsey.
Kelsey was a prosecutor witness.
But of course, again, as usual, Hassan talks out of his ass and doesn't necessarily talk with facts.
But um, yeah, man.
I mean, as far as like this reaction to this trial now that this guy's gone, uh, yeah, bro.
It's um I I think Tori definitely needs to file an appeal.
I think he would have good grounds for one.
Um, I think there was a strong amount of reasonable doubt in this investigation, and I'm shocked that they actually were able to convict him.
So I'm I'm wondering how how quickly the appeals process is gonna work for him.
Clearly, he's supposed to be um he's gonna be sentenced in January, I believe January 27th.
Um, he's gonna be incarcerated till then.
Um, I know in a lot of cases, but I'm not sure if if if it's just crimp, uh uh I know simply sometimes you'll have either 30 days or 90 days to appeal, not too sure how long he has to appeal, and then when they'll hear the appeal to maybe even grant it or or go through a hearing for that.
So you'll keep it a thousand.
You cool with this verdict?
Keep it a thousand.
Um I I would disagree.
Like, I wouldn't have voted for this.
You know what I mean?
So, like, again, from what everything I've seen, I'm like, yo, this kind of seems off.
Now, I gotta accept it because at the end of the day, 12 people fucking made the agreement that that's what it is.
So, you know, um, they're saying that wrong they should pay them off, bro.
That's that's what he's saying in the conspiracy world.
What do you think?
Now I listen, I wouldn't say that.
Definitely would not say that.
Yeah, I wouldn't say that either, but uh what I would say is that um this was a huge miscarriage of justice.
I'm actually shocked that we had two drunk witnesses, one lying on the stand, another one that quite frankly wasn't credible because Meg gave conflicting accounts of the situation on multiple scenarios, whether it was Instagram live, her interview with Gail Knight, etc.
All of this was completely uh wild.
And for them to go ahead and convict him on those charges, I'm shocked, especially when there was a potential that Kelsey was one of the shooters in this situation.
So I mean, dude, if this could happen to Tory, bro, oh man, bro, no one is safe, bro.
Like, this is an L for all the CJ system for the accused, like, bro, this is crazy.
This is what I would definitely say though, right?
Um, you know, I'm hoping, you know, again, I was in court and I wasn't in that jury pool, but I'm hoping that this was something that was just done on strictly the facts and strictly the arguments made in court and not done off anything that has to do with a lot of the woke agenda and kind of the peer pressure peer pressure that comes from social media for you to basically jump to judgment without even listening to the facts of a case.
So I'm I'm hoping those things didn't seep into um anyone's you know decision making process.
But you know, this is tough, man.
Because in this age of social media, like it's almost impossible to escape the case on your phone.
Like what the so like I gave this example yesterday, like the OJ Simpson case, right?
A big reason why OJ Simpson was acquitted was because back in the mid-90s, like there wasn't social media, you had to watch the television if you wanted to get your news, etc.
So the jury didn't know half of the information that was being reported by the news because they weren't allowed to watch the news, right?
But in this situation where you have a smartphone, you have access to your smartphone.
People, there's no way that the jury couldn't have seen all the different types of social media posts concerning this case and everything else that may have happened.
And also, let's be honest here, venue is very important.
They're in Los Angeles, California, was this extremely liberal, extremely left, and extremely uh social justice warrior.
People like Lasan are over there.
So they're not they're gonna go ahead and be like, oh, well, it's the victim is the victim is the victim.
And to me, the thing that was crazy was you got a victim that's drunk, you got a another uh witness that was also intoxicated that can't give a concise story that admitted to lying to the police during an interview, and they were still able to convict Tory, despite the fact that DNA wasn't necessarily found, the evidence wasn't properly gathered, the bullets and the blood wasn't marked properly.
We have conflicting testimonies, it's just uh it was all over the place, and then you have police officers, right?
The main detective on this case had a bunch of credibility issues.
He was under investigation and might get fired.
So the fact that all of this stuff was going on and and it didn't uh create reasonable doubt for a jury, is uh man.
I'm ex I'm shocked, I'm really surprised.
I think Tory Lanez has a very strong um uh ability to appeal this though, and um, you know, I I'm I'm really shocked at the thing.
I'm just shocked at the verdict here.
If he's convicted fully, is he like done for?
Like it's no it's okay.
Oh, yeah, they're gonna they're gonna deport him, yeah.
100%.
I mean, he's a Canadian national, right?
So this has uh this isn't just like being convicted of a of a crime.
This is uh once he does his jail time, right?
He's gonna get sentenced, I think January 27th.
Well, let's say they sentenced him to two years after two years, immigration is gonna be their way for him at the jail, and they're gonna take him and and put him in removal proceedings and send them up to Canada.
Damn.
And he won't be allowed to come back to the United States.
You act got a dog now, man.
He's a dog dad.
Yo, act, congrats, bro.
You hit you hit like seven 70k light viewers on Twitch and YouTube altogether.
That's a W, bro.
Yeah, it's a Don DeMarco record.
I'm not gonna lie.
I was getting a haircut, I was in the gym, I was on the toilet, listen to this whole like coverage, but academics bro.
Shout out to your bro for keeping it 1,000.
So yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
Of course, of course, it I ain't gonna lie, it's most I've ever streamed in life, and um just kind of watching this whole thing.
I'm gonna be honest with you, like I'm so shocked that it happened like this.
Is I don't know, man.
And real quick, because I have the verbatim language here, which if uh Lasan had let me speak, basically, when it comes to the Fifth Amendment, the test is this.
Whether the witness reasonably leaves that the disclosure could be used in a criminal prosecution or that it could lead to other evidence that might be used against him or her, right?
So, and then there's also jury instruction that the jury isn't supposed to consider pleading the fifth as implying criminal liability or guilt, right?
However, in this case, that only right applies to Tory because he's the accused.
As far as Kelsey goes, they can absolutely use it against her to attack her credibility as a witness.
So again, Hassan was incorrect saying that she was protected through the Fifth Amendment for not wanting to testify.
Yes, though she might not be criminally liable, she is liable to have her credibility hurt as a witness, and that is the point.
She was a witness in the investigation, not the target.
So since she was a witness, the fact that she took the fifth, the fact that she lied to the police, this can all be used to discredit her as a credible witness.
This is where Hassan doesn't know what he's talking about.
By the way, um, you know what this also reminds me?
Yeah, this is why California is so dangerous for like, you know, anything to do with, you know, um anything to do with a weapon, period.
You know, I mean, obviously, a particular situation, but you know, uh their penalties and how they write their laws according to these things and how it's amplified when it's a you know man and woman issue is it's this this gotta be scary for a bunch of people, you know.
I mean, and no, I'm not saying oh, it's scary for people who are abusing women.
Um again, if if we all seen a lot of data and a lot of in uh, you know, things that came from court, and we said, Oh, we believe that it's gonna go this way, and we're all wrong.
I mean, we've ran polls, we've we've had over a hundred thousand people vote.
Yeah, yeah.
It was overwhelmingly 90% believe that it was gonna be a not guilty verdict.
Yeah.
And the average person can not even get the lawyer that Tory got to fight this case.
So the average guy is screwed.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, this is uh go ahead.
Go ahead.
I'm also here sitting to think, you know, I thought even if he did, I thought it was gonna give Max like found guilty of one, then not guilty on the other two.
And I I I thought I would be able to say, oh, you know what?
I think he messed up here, and if he didn't mess up here, he would have like beat everything.
With this verdict, is like, where do like it just seems I don't even know where to start to kind of decode what what he could have done differently to send third.
I know some woke motherfuckers would be like, well, he's gonna well, you could have started by not shooting her, I get it, right?
Well, like here's here's the thing.
So, and this is the discussion I was trying to have with Hassan, but he kept cutting me off.
This investigation, this trial was a case of feels before reels.
Because if you go through each of the prosecution's evidence, there's a reasonable expectation, and or sorry, excuse me, there's a reasonable um there there's plausible deniability that Tory might not be culpable.
And I'll explain what I mean by this.
So in the jail call and the text messages to Meg, right?
He says, I'm sorry and apologizes.
And the prosecution heavily relied upon this.
However, we know that on that night, Tori was flirting with Kylie Jenner.
Tori didn't want to leave the house.
Uh Meg left the house and it came back for him.
He uh went ahead and exposed the secret to Kelsey that Kelsey had not known prior that Meg was running around and having sex with a bunch of dudes that Kelsey was involved in a relationship with.
That led to a fist fight.
That fist fight led to Meg getting shot.
So there's a multitude of reasons that Tory could have apologized to Meg.
It doesn't necessarily mean that I'm apologizing for the exact reason of me pulling the trigger and shooting you.
There's a bunch of things there.
Then they want to talk about the DNA.
Well, we know that the DNA wasn't necessarily conclusive.
And to take it a step further, both DNA experts testified that if Tory had shot the gun five times, more than likely his DNA would have been able to be found on the weapon conclusively.
It was not.
And then the other piece of evidence that they used was what else accuracy?
I'm gonna look at my pictures.
I know we took uh a thing here.
What was the other piece of evidence that they had?
Um, Sean, uh the gunshot residue, it was on Tory and it was on Kelsey.
So that adds two potential shooters, and then Sean Kelly, right?
He testified that he saw Kelsey a woman shoot, and he testified that a man shot as well.
Well, I mean, what man are we talking about?
We're talking about Tori or we're talking about the other guy, like that's just him saying, Oh, yeah, I saw Tory shoot, but none of the other witnesses besides Meg can say Tory shot, right?
And and from what they're saying when he shot was a shooting at Meg, because Sean Kelly also testified that he saw Kelsey shoot the first shot.
So and his testimony was kind of all over the place as well.
But what I'm trying to say is is that each evidence that the prosecution brought forward had some kind of doubt in it that there was uh plausible deniability that Tory might have not been the one responsible.
And my thing is if you're gonna bring someone on trial, it's gotta be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
Put it like this.
I'm floored because I thought you know it was gonna be a combination of maybe many different things why they were gonna possibly vote for any guilty um charge against uh or any guilty verdict against Tori.
What we now find out is that basically all 12 members of the jury, yeah, believed Meg the Stallion's story, despite it omitting a bunch of details, despite um her saying things that everybody else was like, No, that didn't happen.
They believed her.
Yeah, and again, that's scary.
So it was Meg's testimony that got Tori convicted.
And what scares me is that her testimony, number one, was shoddy at best.
She was extremely intoxicated.
She went at she can't conclusively what she says isn't proven through the evidence.
And she omitted a bunch of important factors during it.
For example, she did not admit that her or Kelsey fought.
And she lied multiple times.
I was in and also outside the court as well.
You know, she gave conflicting accounts.
So my thing is she should have never been a credible witness to begin with.
And the fact that the jury actually believed her and convicted this man when there was a ton of reasonable doubt to prove that Kelsey could have also been a shooter, is insane to me, man.
So it is what it is.
I mean, this is a scary moment for the criminal justice system in general, where a drunk, intoxicated woman can get on the stand and that has lied before, by the way, as well, and given conflicting stories, can go ahead and be the reason that you were convicted of some very serious egregious crimes.
And not only is he gonna go to prison, but now he's gonna get deported as well if he doesn't if he's isn't able to beat this on appeal.
And yo, act as a yard man, how do you think Tori's father felt when you heard that verdict, bro?
Oh, he screamed in court.
Like his whole family was probably I'm gonna be honest with you.
I think they probably all went in today to say, hey, we're gonna get a verdict maybe today, if not, um, on Tuesday.
But I believe they were all going in like, yo, hey, get the champagne bottles popping, like yo, get like I think they were why everybody watching it.
Granted, they're asking random people that's been at the court throughout this whole process.
Hey, what do you guys think?
Everybody said, Yeah, and I think Tori's getting off.
Everybody, I don't see no one who says, nah, I think I think Tori's fucked.
No one said it.
Look at Mo uh Lloyd's for Worker, he interviewed a bunch of different people.
Hey, we have this thing.
Everyone's like, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Even people who said, hey, I came into this bias for Meg.
And I believe no, Tori's gonna beat this.
So I gotta imagine that the the shock um from all these individuals, including like you know, everybody from Tori's team and even family, yeah, ridiculous.
So going forward now, with this verdict, no, that everyone knows about you think Meg got a uh staple in the initial industry still think she's gonna be popping or no.
You know what that's so interesting how this is gonna play out.
Because here's the thing I feel like her status in the game ain't changed, right?
So, like she's been getting awards.
I know she said she's been going through it personally, but she's been getting awards and really all these accolades.
There's certain male entertainers, which she has even said in her own testimony, like Drake, like the baby, right?
People uh and obviously she says blogs, like every blog just hates her, right?
But she says these people have picked a side, and I'm wondering if she's if how those relationships in the future will go, right?
Like, I'm I'm wondering, does Drake address this?
Does Drake say anything about it?
Does she ever do a song with Drake?
Does she ever do a show with Drake?
Um, I see two seeds say something about it, say kind of like it's fucked up.
He didn't really speak against Meg, but like is there gonna be a divide?
I don't know.
Bro, you know if if if I'm an artist and I saw what happened to Tori and Meg, nigga, I'm staying far away from Meg, bro.
A thousand with you, bro.
I'm staying far away from Meg 100%.
Because she could lie to about him, nigga.
What about me?
She can say anything.
Yeah, I mean, it is crazy because it's her.
And then also Sean Kelly is from what I understand.
I'm talking with someone right now.
They're telling me that he's the one that also said that the uh he put the gun in Tori's hand.
He said that Tori definitely had the gun on him, which you know, that in itself is pretty incriminating.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But but when he said that though, he said he saw his hand in the air, shooting wildly in the air.
Yeah.
That's why I thought if he was gonna get caught with anything, it would have been the um discharge the discharge of uh the girl's negligence, right?
Yeah, I was crazy.
All three counts.
I did not expect that.
And me and you talked about that.
That it would, if anything, it would be the di potentially the discharge or the possession of the firearm, but not the actual, you know what I mean?
The other shit.
Hopefully go with the appeal.
It's all with a semi-automatic firearm.
I was shocked.
But I did say if he gets convicted of that, it's a 3-0.
If you give him that, you gotta give him the gross uh um the gross negligence, right?
Um, you also gotta give him the you're gonna just assign um possession towards him because the gun was found beneath his feet.
So you're gonna basically say, Fuck whose whose gun it was in the beginning.
Um, you already say he shot the gun, um, he shot someone, now he has it beneath his feet.
You give him the last charge.
So it kind of went how um, you know, obviously not the best way for Tori, but if they if they convicted you of that big that big one, the rest was just Tori's probably stressed the fuck out tonight.
Yeah, I mean they they put him in cut they remanded him to custody and he's not gonna get a bond.
So he's gonna have to wait and sit in jail until January 27th.
Damn through the holidays, too.
Yep.
Yep, right before Christmas.
No, all the rappers gotta say, bro, that you're a news all that because bro, everyone's watching your your channel for this update, bro.
Everybody and their mama.
So yeah, no, no, this was you know, there's moments in time in the history that I remember feeling like everybody was watching me.
I remember when Drake and Meek were going back and forth.
I felt like everybody was watching me.
I remember when 6ix9ine was on the stand, I felt like everyone was watching me.
I think I had like 30,000 people watching me read tweets.
It was kind of like this, except I was just only on Twitch at that time.
This time, you know, we're on multiple platforms, and it was just like, you know, people were waiting two years for this, and uh here's the funny part.
Yeah, what we're not gonna get is that most people aren't gonna speak what they really feel about this.
Facts, yeah.
Yeah, they can't, yeah, especially now with the verdict out there.
They're gonna hit you on my phone, be like, yo, act this is crazy, they're gonna whatever, whatever, and be like, yo, just between me and you, da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
They're not gonna say shit.
You know what I mean?
And um we're I'm gonna be I'm gonna be honest with you, you're gonna say a lot of females who speak speak up, as you could expect, but the male rappers who don't you don't speak up, it's more than likely because they don't necessarily thought this was gonna be how it was gonna be.
So yeah, you know, they're just not gonna put put themselves on the record that it could be used against them.
You know what I mean?
But I I want to hear you and white 100 and then um Charleston White talk about this.
What do you what do you think is gonna happen?
Uh, what do you what do you think is gonna happen as far as like her career goes?
You think she's gonna people are gonna just say, well, we're not working with her, or is she gonna be able to I mean, I don't think it's gonna affect her that poorly because, like I said before, female artists don't necessarily get affected as negatively for cooperating with the police, like male artists do.
But uh, what what do you think?
Ask me, she's probably gonna win some type of bravery or humanitarian award in the next year.
They're gonna create an award for her for outstanding courage um through the face of you know divert uh adversity and this and third.
Um I believe that she's gonna it's always gonna be polarizer with her, though.
You know, um I I've personally said whether she won or she lost, because I knew she it there would never never be punitive action, even if she, you know, Tori won the case, right?
Yeah, I do think she needs to um, you know, um be a little bit more likable to both genders because right now I I feel like you know, a lot of dudes, whether they accept this vertical not, they're feeling like, oh, Meg is the type of woman who would be lying on a dude.
You get what I mean?
Yeah, and uh I don't think there's gonna be nothing that happens to her career.
She's she's only gonna get bigger.
I think certain artists are gonna stay away from her.
Yeah, and um, I won't say it will be necessarily a blackball in, but I you're gonna see certain artists rather not.
Yeah.
Um, not sure if it's gonna be noticeable though, because there's gonna be a uh uh a new line of artists or a new lineup of artists trying to work with her, so it might not even look noticeable.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, I when it's it's very and that again, Hassan coming in saying, Well, well, what do you mean the male artists are more inclined to not work with the police?
I mean, bro, come on, let's be honest here.
Like, he don't know the culture.
He doesn't understand the culture that you know, if woman comes forward and you know says, Hey, he shot me, especially if she's a victim and it's a male perpetrator.
Well, it's not gonna have the same level of issue as if a male artist went ahead and said, Yeah, I'm gonna snitch and cooperate against other dudes.
It's not the same.
Yeah, you can still revitalize your career as a female artist.
The reason why I didn't argue with him about that particular um point of view is that I I had him on here before, and we were talking about you know violence in Chicago and do the drill music, yeah.
And he refused to even acknowledge that you know revenge killings, retaliations and making songs about dead ops and all this stuff that's fueling it, is of a uh uh a very important contributing factor to why the violence continues.
He literally stopped that they're only killing each other because of um poverty.
And I said, Well, while that yeah, he said it says only poverty.
I said, Well, while that's a contributing factor, you have to understand that there's a bunch of things that might be cultural in nature that's fueling the crime rate.
He just was like, No, it's just poverty.
And I'm like, if if you don't understand culture, I I can't really, I can't really even get to the point of arguing these things with you because you don't understand it.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, that's a nonsensical argument.
Did you tell him that FBG Duck was a multimillionaire and still died from gang violence in one of the richest areas in Chicago?
Oh, I told him all this.
He's doing here.
That's what I'm saying.
Like, I like having him on sometimes, but that's what I'm glad you I glad you you hopped in because after what I could just laugh, bro.
Like, I'm gonna know I just gotta laugh, bro.
Yeah, I mean, the thing is is that he was blinded by by uh Meg being a victim, and you refuse to acknowledge the fact that just because she's a victim and she got shot does not mean that everything she says is on point, right?
She's a witness just like anybody else, and her witnesses you know, it can be criticized and or meet and uh deemed to be not credible, especially since she went on multiple platforms, gave multiple reaccountments of the incident, and they were not consistent, which therefore hurts her credibility as a witness, and that's how it should be looked at.
Him saying, Oh, well, she was shot, she was the victim, etc.
I mean, I get it, we're not here to victim blame, but at the same time, the victim's gotta be able to be truthful to a degree, especially when we're looking at a man's life and being able to have him put in prison for a serious offense and have him be deported.
Kelsey, same thing.
Oh, well, she was going through postpartum depression.
I don't give a fuck about any of that shit.
You cannot lie, you cannot sit there, and he's basically saying we gotta give women the benefit of the doubt is what he's essentially saying, and I'm saying you can't do that.
Postpartum depression, her being sad, her being a victim, fuck that shit.
This is why this believe all women mindset that a lot of people like Lasan try to necessarily subscribe to, even though he's saying, No, I don't subscribe to that.
But you by your actions or what you're saying, you are subscribing to it because you're using female excuses such as postpartum depression, her being sad, her being shot, blah blah blah, makes their testimony credible.
No, it does not.
Men lie, women lie, numbers don't.
And that's why I'm such a big proponent on we cannot sit here and say believe our women, it's bullshit.
Look at Amber Heard.
If Johnny Depp had never recorded those situations and those instances, he would probably not only be culpable from a uh liability standpoint for the civil case, he probably also would have went to prison.
Yeah, but thank God he recorded those conversations and him attacking.
And and I really wish that someone had recorded this situation too, so we could have seen what the hell really happened.
Because even if Tori did shoot at her, guess what?
I guarantee you, Kelsey was involved too.
Yeah, yeah.
What's probably uh uh, but that's why I say I think Hassan is someone who knows how to sidestep really well.
We gotta look at his audience too, bro.
You gotta look at his audience.
My bad mom, my bad.
What the fuck?
No, this is me, bro.
Nah, you know, he was upset.
I'm a boom on the nigga, bro.
No cap when I see that nigga.
Okay.
Yeah, no, like again, if you understand, by the way, I watch I watch fairly a good amount of his content.
So like I understand how like he approaches shit, and like I think it works for his audience.
He's in a police, he's like a he's like uh like first of all, the moment I realized he was a socialist, it was a socialist Political like streamer who you know I mean like I feel like there's some hypocriticalness there anyway you know I mean this guy lives pretty good but he's saying that we should be in a socialist society I get it I get it with him I get it well no no my thing was my thing with Hassan
was like like i fuck with a son but it was just like on this case i watched his stream so it was like i know like he was reading blogs and like listen this is what really made me like like like don't add this nigga bro he was reading meg the stallion blogs and he was believing everything megan the stallion was saying right and then when kelsey got on stand and she was testifying under oath he was like why should we believe her why should we believe her and i was like bro you're talking about niggas being biased but you believe megan the stallion instantly even though she lied on gail king but
you don't believe kelsey when she said oh yeah that testimony i did i was capping every time we mentioned that you know what she said why wouldn't i believe her she got shot and i'm like all right so you're one of those like that made me realize he don't know what the fuck like like i'm not gonna diss a song like a song knows the fuck he's talking about on debates and shit but on this specific case politics politics i i'll give him his credit talking about culture like he's a headline reader and he don't know but he was telling you that feet
like only like he was telling you female and male streamers rappers condones like don't condone snitches only the real male rappers bro people have about popping a pussy rotten dick these things right about shooting and killing things of course their their codes are different from a bitch who just rapping about remy weave and rotten dick bro like let's be real he was arguing about the details of the case with me who have covered pretty much every inch of it pause and also uh myron who literally has gone
through extreme you know struggling strife to go get court documents to break down and he's he's going off headlines and you know i mean at the end of the day bro you're not tapped in yeah another thing you got to remember too is that hassan is a political commentator he appeases more to the liberal side you know i wouldn't call him a far uh leftist but he definitely is a leftist so you also got to know when he makes his arguments he makes his arguments from a very leftist perspective so what do leftists a lot of the times do they align themselves with
victims they align themselves with women they align themselves with social justice warriors that's why he was so strong when i said well meg is an incredible witness oh my god how can you say that she got shot well we can absolutely say that because she lied on the record on multiple situations that is a fact that is not my opinion she lied in multiple situations and or she admitted information that was critical to the case for example i said he she did not admit right that she had sexual tori well why is that relevant why does her sexual past matter well it doesn't matter
because it started the fight bro but again hassan is a political commentator that argues from the left so he's got to go with the feels before the reels yeah well has but myra hassan literally said he said oh why does that matter and it was like bro then megan lied by saying bro she never fought with kelsey she said she never it was never an altercation with kelsey tori beat kelsey up the witness literally said he saw kelsey kicking her hooves nigga her fucking horse true religion horseshoe
also remember meg said hey me and torrey fucked but she said with with kelsey and torrey it was just a crush she downplayed it she downplayed it why because in her narrative you don't have an issue with kelsey over torrey when kelsey gets on the stand kelsey says well her and torrey was fucking months before her and meg was fucking now if you listen to that makes sense you both were having sex with
torrey to listen to only meg only one of y'all were having sex with torrey the other one just seems like a fan who had a crush yeah all these lights bro torrey is fogging me and jill bro it's crazy bro yeah that's wow man i mean i think the takeaway for men from this situation is uh number one don't be in california uh number two you know what i mean don't be anywhere near a firearm if you don't have some kind of uh you know concealed carry license and yo just don't get drunk around chicks bro because i mean this was all in the
scary part is that all the witnesses were drunk in this and they were able to still convict him with a good amount of evidence that showed reasonable doubt yeah I'll tell you wild I bet you what this is one time Tori Tori wish she didn't dabble in the dark I'll say that oh man yeah bro and and I wish someone had recorded this situation if they recorded this I mean fuck man even if Tori did look let off the shots, at least they would have seen that.
It wasn't just him.
It was Kelsey involved as well.
Because I I genuinely think Kelsey was uh was involved in this and shot that gun as well.
I think it's the full.
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say.
Yeah, I think it's very early for us to think about um just kind of mistakes and and what other moves could have made a ramifications.
I'm wondering if Tori's thinking about it now.
Like, hey, maybe I should have had Jaquan testify, and maybe I should have took the stand.
I tell you a great case without it, but like, damn.
Like, I mean, what else could he have done at this point?
Nigga, Tori is eating an apple and some uh ham and cheese sandwich right now, nigga.
Like, he's locked up, nigga.
It's over, it's over for right now.
It's over with.
So, like, like it's over with.
Like, sorry, like the jury made like, but it was seven bitches in one in what three, four niggas?
Where was it, Myron?
Five, four niggas?
Five, seven, five.
Yeah, seven.
Yeah, so it's like when bitches see Megan Estallion cry, they're gonna eat that shit up, bro.
They're gonna eat this shit up like a lifetime drama, but they eat they eating that shit up, bro.
And they go influenced the niggas, man.
Yeah, niggas.
And I said it before that Meg Meg did a good job because her job wasn't to necessarily report the facts, her job was to was to report the feelings, and what she was able to do was to be able to pull at the heartstrings as a victim, as the you know, star witness for the prosecution alongside Kelly, who's supposed to be the other star witness, and uh they believed her, bro.
That's what she did.
Was she got on there and uh she cried and she made it a scene and they believed her, and uh this is scary how someone's testimony uh that quite frankly isn't a credible witness, and that has been proven through fact because she lied on multiple situations.
That's not my opinion, that's a fact.
She lied multiple times.
The fact that an a witness that isn't credible that was intoxicated on top of that, was able to convict someone is is wild.
Yo, by the way, have you seen the shade room comments?
They're getting Tori up, bro.
She's crazy.
He died.
That's crazy, bro.
Like, yeah, shade room is run by a bunch of uh seven.
He's in the um, he's in the MA system right now.
Like, I'm looking at shit right now.
Nobel, court 127, 2023.
He's in that bitch.
I know in the next few hours, and definitely next day or two, I'm gonna get a lot of people from the industry who won't share these opinions publicly, but they're gonna let me know and they're gonna be like, yo, damn, this is that's crazy, huh?
But I'm gonna be honest with you.
Uh if if you know we had these conversations about Tori being blackballed, um it's effectively safe to say that Tory, you know, number one, he should definitely worry about his freedom and citizenship way before career, but as of any time current, um his career is is kind of lights out for it now, bro.
I mean, by the way, I wouldn't even be surprised if Meg and her team doesn't try to go at DSPs, even though I think this would be unsuccessful for them to even have his music up.
You know, they were trying to do the R. Kelly, like, hey, R. Kelly's music.
It's rappers that's murdering niggas that are still on fucking DSPs.
Like, R. Kelly shit was insane, but like they they like, come on, bro.
Tori Lane didn't go that crazy, like you know what I'm saying.
It was a bullet frame, man.
Like, he shot the bitch in the head.
You gotta realize he's convicted.
Like, again, you're kind of contextualizing it.
Whatever what the headline is always gonna read from now.
Tori Lane's convicted of shooting a popular.
This is you know, people love obviously um they love Rihanna more, but this is you know, just when you think about a shot, a weapon, nigga, Chris Brown put them Broly hands on her, bro.
Like, let's be real, bro.
Like she no, never mind.
Well, Rihanna, you got a Drake feature.
Rihanna did beat the shit out of him too, but they're not gonna talk about that on the air because it's always you know, I'm saying we always put women first as the victims, but she beat the hell out of Chris Brown as well, but no one's gonna ever report that because that's the unpopular opinion.
But nobody's ever gonna report that Tori and Megan the via the witness fought.
Yeah, yeah, they ain't gonna talk about that either.
Yeah, yeah, bro.
Like that shit fucked up, right?
Boom.
I imagine the average guy has girls like lying on him, say, yo, he hit me, whatever, whatever.
He has no defense, bro.
If if Tori can't win this case, bro, we're all doom, bro.
A thousand percent.
Bro, yo, fresh, it's so fucked up, bro.
That shit is so fucked up, bro.
If you don't have an on-camera, like video of the bitch like wilding, you're automatically at fault as a nigga, bro.
Which is fucked up in this.
Hey, what can I say, bro?
Actually, interesting.
I seen um, yeah, Ben Cino mention it, saying I think Tori Lane spent more than a million dollars on this case.
Wow.
Um, oh yeah, 100 more.
Probably more.
Wow, yeah, 100%.
I believe it.
Yeah, I seen Benzino say hundreds of thousands, and I'm like, nah, this is a million, this is a million dollar defense.
It's a million dollar defense right here.
You gotta remember it's been going on for two years.
There's been many motions to like, you know, remand him.
They have kept him out of jail.
They they they upped the bond, this, that, and third.
Um, there's been a lot of stuff that's going on.
I think he spent definitely a million on it.
Um I'm wondering how this is gonna happen when it comes to like you know, cash flow for him or an appeal, this and third.
Uh, good amount he's gonna have to be an international artist, you know.
He's gonna have to do the 6ix9ine thing and just do abroad and uh and that's it.
Cause yeah, because I I estimate, let's say he doesn't win the appeal and he's gotta actually do jail time.
Since he went to trial, he's probably gonna have to deal with a higher jail sentence.
Um, it's a California penal system, so they'll probably give him somewhere between five to fifteen years, somewhere in that range, he'll probably get out on good behavior, and then immigration is gonna be their way for him, and then they're gonna put him in removal proceedings and they're gonna report him.
Yo, Mar, I don't know about that, bro.
I don't think he's gonna do five years.
I think he'll probably get like three years.
Three, two years.
I'm estimating somewhere.
You know what I'm saying?
But you gotta remember that that he went to trial.
Anytime you go to trial, they're gonna they're gonna hit you with the book a little bit more than if you take a plea deal.
So I estimate somewhere between five to fifteen years is what he'll end up getting.
He might end up serving three years for good behavior, and then you know, they're gonna go ahead and start the deportation.
I think I think the um the the sentence for the aggravated assault with the firearm is nine years.
It was semi-automatic.
I think that's nine years.
I think he they'll get he'll get concurrent for the other charges, which for sure less than for sure.
So I think the maximum is 22 or something like that, like 22 years altogether.
Max.
I think he's doing 22 and 60 percent time in California.
I so I just gotta say, man, there's a thing in the Bible that talks about women destroying uh kingdoms, bro.
And uh dude, that that man built a massive music career over a period of time, put in the work to be destroyed by a bitch, bro.
That's crazy.
And Hassan said that Tory Lane's hasn't been relevant since 2016.
I was like, bro, this this dude ain't that's what's what I knew.
Hassan didn't know shit about the culture.
Cause at that time, Tory Lane's had the number three song in the world with Tory Lane's.
I mean, with J uh Jack Harlow and what the baby?
Yeah, or Lil Wayne.
It was somebody else on it.
But at that time, he had the number three song in the world.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You can tell and he had Courtney Reddit, so you can tell Hassan was just dick riding for the bitches to get like tier three subs from bitches who like, oh my god, so you're such a such a right right and shit like that.
Like you tell you.
I'm looking at the um sentencing guidelines according to uh uh the semi-auto automatic uh assault with the semiotic firearm, so it's punishable uh for at least uh up to nine years in prison, and um obviously there's some fines and some other shit, but uh damn uh if it says nine years,
yeah, it nine years obviously apparently he wasn't a he wasn't on probation prior, and he didn't have like uh uh uh a felony, he didn't have a felony record, so I gotta imagine maybe they give him like six to seven, he'll probably be on three to four.
I doubt it, bro.
I doubt that shit.
I don't know, I don't know.
Like, I doubt it though.
For a first felony, bro.
I mean, mine is the Fed nigga, so you know more than me.
He went to trial.
He went to trial, that's why I think he's gonna he's gonna have to do some time because he went to trial.
Anytime you go to trial, bro, they're they're gonna do amplify it, but it's like bruh, it's your first time still.
It I don't know, bro.
Uh it might be five, though.
You're right, you're right.
Yeah, he might get out of three years' time served.
Yeah, yeah.
They might, you know what I mean?
And it's California, the this parole, there's good behavior, there's all this shit, and then obviously he's got the deportation waiting.
So for real, he's gonna get deported for real, yeah, bro.
100%.
Yeah, oh yeah, he's out of here, but he's a Barbados, man.
He's in Cancun somewhere.
Wherever you're from, yeah.
They're gonna, yeah, they're gonna send it back to Canada after this.
Because I don't even know if he had a green card, but even if he had one, a felony conviction is is that's a wrap.
He was probably here on like a visa, like uh like uh um an entertainer visa.
Yeah, but more than likely, as soon as he does his his time out of California, ICE is definitely gonna be there.
We're gonna pick him up and put him in deportation proceedings.
So that means he will never be able to come back to the United States.
So that means the the right because this is what I would do, Right.
Wow.
If I got the charge like that two years ago, I'm doing whatever I can, which obviously the first thing would be like I'm I'm getting married, right?
I'm doing something to try to get my citizenship or at least a green card, some type of permanent resident card that I'm not facing deportation.
If I get convicted, it's a good idea.
It wouldn't matter it wouldn't matter.
I'm telling you right now, it doesn't matter because if he had a green, let's say he was married to a chick and he was in the process of naturalizing into a US US citizen and this happened, it wouldn't matter.
His green card will still be he'd lose it.
Wow.
Well, I'll tell you this, bro.
He would still lose it.
Yeah.
The baby taking all his holes now.
Yeah.
And the crazy part is he's gonna be excluded.
He won't be able to enter the United States after this, probably.
Okay, is it a hundred percent that that ICE will go through with deportation proceedings?
Or or you know, does it depend?
Bro, uh like a 90, I would say 98% chance he's gonna get deported after this because he has a felony conviction, he's he's a superstar.
The the feds definitely already probably already launched lodge their detainer at this point on him, ICE.
So and the detainer basically is an agreement between the jail and uh ice that they're gonna be there to pick him up when he's released.
But yo, yo, Mara, wait, hold on, hold on.
Yo, yo, Mara, you're my what's the chances that he succeeds in appeal?
Uh I I think he has a strong appeal case in this situation.
I I genuinely do think that he has a and that's really the only thing that's left is an appeal because he would have to appeal this bad boy, and then once he gets that appeal, if he can overturn this, then that deportation will be null and void.
Wow.
Well, hold on.
So could he go into potentially um a immigration hold while he's going through an appeal?
Like, for example, 21 Savage.
I know 21 Savage, the case that he has hasn't been, so the gun case hasn't been even litigated yet.
Um, so he has he he basically is in this immigration hold type of thing where that's the only reason why he's not deported, right?
Yeah, um clearly there was a verdict given here, but if you file the appeal, let's say that the appeal is like approved or whatever the case is.
Clearly he's gonna be in jail.
But could you use that to possibly get a hold where if you complete your sentence, they don't immediately ship you out.
Nah, because he's already it's already been so since he's been convicted, like as soon as he serves a sentence.
Like the I guarantee you ICE already probably lodged a detainer now.
Wow.
Like they're they're probably or or they're gonna be in the process of lodging a detainer uh very soon, like once he gets sentenced.
So yeah, like because the difference between 21 Savage and and uh and Tory is that Tori got convicted now in a criminal court versus 21 is still waiting for his stuff, so immigration kind of has it up in limbo, like, okay, we'll see what happens once that case is adjudicated, then we can make our our call on immigration.
Wait, what I guess from what I heard, if he if 21 loses that case, even on appeal, he would have to wait outside of the United States for it.
He couldn't wait within.
So he he would go have to go back to the UK and wait for the appeal there rather than wait here, which is you know that that's kind of tough.
Uh I I really don't know Tory's um immigration.
Yeah, because they would yeah, because let's let's say they convicted him, right?
Let's say 21's case, they convict him and they say, all right, uh probation.
It doesn't matter.
It's a felony conviction, they would they would go and uh remove him because now they got an official document saying that he's a convicted felon.
They would take that JNC, boom, and put him into removal proceedings.
What I get too?
I've been robbing.
No, you're a US citizen.
Okay, cool.
Thank God, nigga, bro.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
So I got a question.
I got a question.
Yeah, I don't know if I know this shit.
I'm almost I'm a I'm on a Hassan shit right now.
I don't know much, but I'm gonna ask you about it.
Nigga, so you remember the um the one jury who is like, oh, I know about social media, I'll follow them or something like that.
And she was like, Oh, but I'm gonna be fair.
Is she still in the jury, or was she she was she like substituted by somebody else?
Apparently she was still in it.
She was still in it.
Yeah, so I mean, you have a case for what appeal, right?
You I mean, yeah, the defense can absolutely uh you know raise an appeal.
They can they can raise an appeal and cite a multitude of reasons as to why Tori Lane's didn't get a fair trial.
Bro, and it's bro, I ain't gonna lie, bro.
It's so much, it's so much evidence for a reasonable doubt, bro.
Yeah, it's like you have to get an appeal, bro.
It's like you have to just appeal that shit, because like that shit.
Yeah, they're gonna they're 100%, it's like an auto thing.
Like they always almost always file an appeal immediately after uh you know a verdict is written.
But let's be real here.
With Tory, they can't.
Who can afford to take a loss?
Like the system itself, the agenda.
If they lose, uh sorry, if Tori went his case, then he proves all them wrong that would look bad on them true you know la did anything to try to like they try to get him on bribery like they try to anything i think it's really well it's gonna go it's gonna go to the supreme uh to uh you know the california supreme court and then if it you know if it needs to get elevated even more than it can um so i don't think i i don't even think an appeal is gonna come through before he does at least a few years i think it's gonna be he's gonna do some jail time until
appeal has finally filed away and everything yeah he's gonna do some time because it takes a long time man people are gonna just um take this into their just mentality that okay this is what happened and move on you know people on to the next thing they're thinking about ysl to a year from now they're not gonna be like holding on to hope like yo whoa we're waiting for the appeal nah it's gonna be like all right yo even if we we disagreed with it like that's it's over with you know i mean the same steam and the same you know i mean um
like support that people were kind of given hopefully hoping that he was gonna be innocent i don't see them giving a fuck like that again i think it's the one done thing that's crazy yeah freedom and it's like you know his ability to make a living um but i i don't think the public will be invested like this again um for anything to do with this particular case especially an appeal yeah appeals are hard to overturn you know i'm playing on make do the ultimate gloat
thing like you know i mean do the encore like the victory lap i know it's gonna be what about uh vibes cartel uh appeal vibes cartel that's jamaica different vibes cartel is like completely different though like vibes cartel is like bigger than drake in jamaica so like what drake is in the united states he's bigger than that because he's almost like a he's a cultural leader that that almost has power like a government official you get what i mean so like people grow up on him so people care about him way more than they would care about the tory
lanes you get what i mean okay all right yo yo yo you think they're gonna make a custom jumpsuit for tory lanes in there just you like five so i play with tory i'm just saying bro he guilty bro he in there right now he in the system i'm looking it up i believe that yo i i think i think tory might have been doing like a documentary or something like that man it's over for that documentary nigga this is gonna be mad bro i'm not gonna hold
you yeah it's it's it's wild i mean all i took away from this was that if there was this amount of conflicting information this amount of conflicting testimony this amount of evidence that showed that there's potentially another shooter uh yeah dude and it wasn't necessarily just tory lanes by himself the fact that he was still convicted with a real defense team and experts testifying on his behalf even a state's test uh uh uh expert that testified for the dna couldn't
conclusively say it was tory lanes i mean yeah bro this is uh this is the l for the criminal justice system in general and the only thing i could take away from this is california is l gun laws in california are an l and don't be drunk around women and don't do stupid shit and you got to be you know you got to be on your p's and q's man because we live in a world where um believe all women and uh yeah it's just wild shit man this is wild it's it's crazy i told y'all niggas meg was innocent bro i told y'all niggas bro three three days ago bro get out of here
with that man like you know i'm watching all the comments on even shade room like yeah there's a lot of fans and obviously you know like a lot of you know women who probably more than the case they're probably thinking about maybe situations they feel they've been victimized so they're kind of just coming out and yeah they're going out the fields versus the reels um but but like i'm scrolling through i don't really see many people from the industry who are like oh yes finally got him i'm gonna be honest like i'm looking at this one with 13 000 comments i don't see a bunch of like
industry folks you know i mean who are like celebrating this um and and if you ask me it's because i really believe the majority of the industry the the ties were turning and they really were believing tori you know well yeah what if you what if you see drake post on the story like yo bang was innocent man i feel so fast sad for her what you want to do at
not so shit what are you doing though oh shit let me stop bro yeah i'm looking at they have 90 000 comments on this one thing and um for all the verified people it's like it's like like the it's like Instagram it's like shade room celebrities there's no like rapper rapper there's no there's no one I'm not seeing it no I mean bro.
This is just sad, bro.
Like we as men took an L. Keep telling me, bro.
Yeah, criminal justice system took an L. Yeah.
Hey, bro.
Yeah, you gotta move.
Y'all just gotta move smarter with these hoes, bro.
You know, you can just be this is a lesson for all the guys out there, bro.
Big lesson.
Just pull your phone out, bro.
I'm sorry, bro.
Yeah, you gotta record all any bullshit that you're on with a woman, bro.
You gotta pull your phone out and record.
Because even in this situation, like Kelsey and Meg were trying to protect each other in the beginning, which is why they didn't necessarily admit that they had fought each other, which is a very important fact that they didn't disclose to the police in the beginning.
And you make a point as well.
You brought a video showing what happened right after the altercation, and Kelsey was saying, Yo, Meg, you good?
You good girl?
I'm like, bro, they were still friends at that point in time.
So it's like it's two against one, bro.
But you can tell she beat her ass and was like, damn, I didn't not mean to shoot your ass.
Like, damn.
You good.
But damn, but I I know you gotta be um somewhat um, but I mean, you're you're very like um objective.
You weren't like on one side or the other, so I get that part as well.
But I try to play this as objective as I can.
Yeah, you know, obviously, you know, I'm a man, so like I know how sometimes people once they just see here about a man and a woman.
A lot of people are inclined to believe like the just the word men means abuser.
Yeah, you get what I mean.
Like they've they've almost vilified having a balls and the dick.
So it's like as soon as they hear something between a man and a woman, they just be like, oh, this thing is guilty.
So again, you know, when I first like you know, I I reserved judgment at first, and then once I saw like a bunch of stuff coming out, I'm like, well, maybe the whole story isn't told.
And I was just down to give him a chance.
I'm down, you know.
Again, you could ask Tori from even when we first even talked about it.
You know what he said?
He said, Ac, I'm gonna be honest with you.
He says, Yo, he says, I'm I'm actually surprised.
Remember, I don't know if y'all remember me and Tori weren't on the same page for a second.
I uh people in my stream remembered.
Um, because it was some shit on Clubhouse, this and third.
But in reality, I just looked at I I looked at him, and it wasn't about oh, that is Tori.
I was just like, I'm just looking at the facts of what I'm hearing coming out, and it looked like it could be more to the story.
And unfortunately, people me not jump into conclusions.
People thought I was being paid by Tori.
People thought that, like, yo, you are Tori, like you know, like there's just like they make up all type of stuff, right?
Like, they make up all type of things just because you're like, let me see what's going on.
Then I would report things that that were accurate, but it didn't make Meg look the best.
And then people were like, No, why would you report that?
I'm like, wait, are we only in the business of reporting things that make Meg look like the absolute victim?
And I realized that you know Tori was in a fixed fight.
You know, I call the shots on my own platform.
There's no rock nature or nobody else that could just program me and tell me how to do it, and you know, I'm uh me, I'm my own man.
And um, if you ask me if I would do anything any different going back, no, like I would have covered it the same way.
Yes, towards the end of it, after covering like 10 days in court, yeah.
I started making up my mind personally on what I think.
I'm like, you know, I think listen, I still don't know who did it, right?
But I definitely thought it was gonna be the case.
I thought that's an easy assumption.
I'm like, yo, this case is bullshit.
You get what I mean?
I'm like, this case is bullshit, right?
And um, when I see this type of shit, I'm like, wow, this is you know, um a little speechless about it, but well, Ak, you put in the time, you're a great journalist, bro.
You deserve some time for yourself now because you've been covering this day in and day out.
So Ak, we need a paitification.
Little boom, my myself to Dubai, yo.
Let's go, bro.
Yeah, I uh oh, we out, we out, bro.
We didn't we in the Bible.
We can shit in our channel.
I took I think the situation here.
By the way, you know, um you know, I guarantee Tori sitting back and thinking if that if this had happened in Florida, he's free.
He's super nigga, he's super free, nigga.
There you go, he's super free.
Yo, Chris, let's kill the streams on everywhere except for YouTube.
Guys, come on over to YouTube on Fresh and Fit Man.
Sorry if you're watching us on one of the other ones.
Yo, ads for all boogie posted free my bros, but you didn't have anything to do with Tory Lands, bro.
Yeah, they just had a song together.
Take shots.
Nigga posted free my bros 20 minutes ago, nigga.
Oh, he said free my bros, he put an S on it.
Nigga, free my bros, nigga with a black heart.
Oh, you probably told my young thug it.
Um star Peterson, nigga.
Fuck are you talking about?
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