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Tory Lanez Verdict Debate w/@HasanAbi Ft.@KingAkademiks

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	What's up, guys?
	Welcome to the Fresh Fit Podcast, man.
	We got a lot to talk about, man, when it comes to Tori Lane's trial.
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	Fed it?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, Fed 1811, guys, which we're live on it right now.
	Real quick.
	So let me give you guys kind of the backstory of what happened with the Tori Lane situation so you guys have a better idea.
	Academic is going to call us here pretty soon, probably on Discord, and we'll jump into the conversation.
	I know he's having a talk right now with Hassan.
	So anyway, basically, guys, back in July of 2020 last year, Meg, Tori, and her friend, Kelsey, right, were at a party at the Jenner's house and, you know, they got intoxicated, extremely intoxicated.
	And, you know, Tori was kind of putting the Mac moves on Kylie Jenner.
	Meg didn't really like that.
	And they left, right?
	And they did, you know, there's some disagreements on did they leave one time, they come back, or whatever it may be.
	But I'm just going to say, keep it nice and simple for y'all with the summary.
	They left and Tori ended up leaving with them.
	An argument ensued in the vehicle, which we'll talk about that in more detail when we jump on other stream, what they were arguing about.
	But an argument ensued between all three parties, Meg thee Stallion, Tori, and Kelsey.
	At some point, the vehicle stopped.
	Meg got out.
	And then there were some gunshots fired, five, to be exact.
	And Meg ended up getting some of that shrapnel in her foot.
	She alleged that Tori said, dance, bitch, dance.
	She turned around and she saw him shooting at her over the window.
	And she also claimed that is because she said his music was trash.
	Yeah, there was an argument about his music.
	There was an argument about Kelsey between Megan having sex with men that she had put Kelsey on with before.
	Just for context, Kelsey is Megan Thee Stallion's best friend/slash assistant.
	They've known each other since college.
	And then during the trial, a whole bunch of different things went down.
	I went into detail on this on Fed 1811.
	So I'm sure if you're tuning into this stream, you more than likely know the general facts and circumstances surrounding this case.
	But let's see here.
	Let me, we should be getting a Discord call here soon.
	And the whole point here is that like the evidence does not show in any form or fashion that Tori did it indefinitely.
	It's like, okay, now there's an air of like a mystery because we don't know for a fact that he did it.
	However, the jury declared that he was guilty.
	And it's like, bro.
	Are you getting the call, Chris?
	No.
	No.
	You should be getting a notification.
	Yeah, this is crazy, though, because, like, bro, I mean, dude, we knew from all the evidence in the court, people testifying, bro, no one knew for a fact like Tori did it.
	However, I don't know what's happening.
	If Ronich pulls some strings, if they pay it off the jury, who knows what happened, but bro, like they declared that he was guilty, and to me, that's bullcrap, bro.
	Um, we can talk about some more academics here as well, but it's just wild, bro.
	Yeah, you're gonna see like a little notification, Chris, and then that's when you'll know that they're calling in right now.
	And yo, she lied so many times on the TV, bro.
	Yeah, on TV, yeah, on her on her live stream, so many times.
	It's like, bro, like, it's so much cop in there, and then they believe, bro, that's wild, bro.
	Believe all me is crap, bro.
	Um, the main thing you guys got literally that is profoundly important.
	There we go.
	That's her account that literally played a significant role in launching a criminal investigation.
	It's not, but again, again, are there arguing what we think happened, or we're arguing what should be proven in court?
	If someone says I lied, like, okay, you can play the statement all you want, but I lied.
	I'm telling you the truth now.
	Is that person credible?
	Yes or no?
	Wait, I'm sorry.
	Can you repeat that?
	Okay, you're going off what Kelsey said in September, but she literally showed, I lied.
	I lied.
	She's saying I lied then, and I'm under oath now, and I lied.
	So I told you, I'm telling you, I lied then.
	What's up?
	Are you going to say, okay, we're going to just ignore the fact you're telling us you're lying?
	And we're going to do it.
	I don't think she never said she lied, by the way.
	She did say she lied.
	She said, she said she lied on her testimony.
	That's a big part of the reason why she took where did she say she lied on her testimony?
	She just said she can't remember, which is inconsistent for sure, because it was very clear when she was offering uh evidence to uh to launch this criminal investigation.
	But um, I don't think she ever said I lied.
	Um, she just said, I can't recall.
	Yo, Ak, Myron's here.
	We just joined in.
	Um, are you guys talking about Meg the Science right now?
	Are you guys talking about Kelsey in particular?
	We literally just joined.
	We're talking about Kelsey's um statement.
	Okay, she's using the one from September.
	I'm using the fact that she got on the stand and said, That I did not tell the truth.
	Yeah, wait, she never wait, oh, no, no, no, no, you can't, you can't embellish in this circumstance because this is pretty important.
	Oh, she never got on the stand and said, I lied.
	That's crazy.
	Yes, she did.
	She got this.
	These are the facts.
	These are the facts.
	This is what happened.
	Okay, no, no, no, no, no.
	Before you say these are the facts, I want to, I want you to actually show me the facts and not Malagro Gramps, who has been proven time and time again that she was, you know, okay, Mo Gagnet, who was there in person, who watched it, who is a lawyer himself.
	He literally said she took the stand.
	First thing she did was take the Fifth Amendment.
	You cannot take the Fifth Amendment unless you might be criminally culpable for a crime.
	Then they said, Listen, we'll give you immunity if you testify.
	Keep in mind that she knows you can plead the fifth regardless.
	Like you can just refuse to testify.
	Hassan, I hate to say this to you, bro, but I used to investigate criminal activity.
	I used to be a former federal agent.
	I know your effect.
	I know I've seen you talking about it.
	I'm telling you, you cannot take the Fifth Amendment, okay, unless you're criminally culpable.
	That is why Gunna is not protected if they call him to testify.
	He has to testify.
	No, you can definitely say, I plead the fifth.
	It doesn't matter if you're like criminally culpable or not.
	You can still refuse to testify.
	No, you cannot.
	Because you are compelled to testify, right?
	If you don't have a Fifth Amendment privilege, no, it's literally, it's a right.
	You can just say that you are pleading the fifth, regardless of whether it's because you're incriminating yourself or not.
	You can only take the fifth if you might incriminate yourself.
	You cannot take the fifth in any other circumstance.
	You are compelled to testify.
	No, you can still, no, you, you definitely still can, in any circumstance, plead the fifth.
	It doesn't matter what the truth is.
	I hate to say this, bro.
	I thought you were smarter than this.
	Even if you're not, even if you're not, even if you, that doesn't immediately mean that you are self-incriminating.
	If that was the case, then that could be used as additional evidence like you guys are trying to do right now.
	But that's not the case.
	But she's not the one.
	In colloquial, in like the, the, you know, in normie speak, we always assume when you plead the fifth, oh, that means they're guilty.
	Like they're incriminating themselves.
	That's what we say, but that's not the case.
	You can plead the fifth, even if you are not actually incriminating yourself.
	That's kind of the point of being able to plead the fifth.
	Okay, then you know what?
	Let's use your logic used against you as evidence.
	Let's use your let's use your logic then, Hassan.
	If that was the case, why did her lawyer fight tooth and nail to get her immunity?
	Oh, there we go.
	Exactly.
	I don't know.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	Just take that out.
	This is the 14th of December.
	So this is Tori Lane's and Megan trial day three.
	Kelsey takes a stand.
	She admits to lying to prosecutors about everything she told him.
	You're reading no jumper right now, who literally, by your accounts, got fucking got DJ academics.
	They got fucking got, they jumped the gun and literally posted about the verdict coming in before the verdict that actually came in.
	You can't just use their one-sided assessment of the events that took place.
	You originally went to Megan Kunev.
	I'm watching your stream right now.
	You couldn't find the actual thing that you wanted out of her.
	So you went to find the no jumper tweet.
	If you give me Megan Kuniff's test of Megan Kunev's actual court reporting, then we can have a conversation.
	I got it.
	It's like you citing yourself.
	Come on.
	Hassan, you're missing the point here that Kelsey, right, changed her story.
	She went in and did an interview with actually the prosecutors, not even law enforcement, which is another big red flag, but she went ahead and did an interview in September.
	What's the red flag?
	The red flag is she did an interview with the prosecutors with no law enforcement there, which is a huge red flag because prosecutors are not supposed to be direct witnesses and witness testimony when you're doing a criminal investigation.
	There's supposed to be an investigator there.
	And the reason why there wasn't an investigator there is because the lead detective Stogner, right?
	He has some issues.
	No, you can't.
	You can definitely have prosecutors directly question witnesses.
	No, what?
	You need an investigator there.
	They can't be the only witnesses because they're the ones prosecuting the case.
	It's a conflict of interest.
	You need a sworn law enforcement officer there conducting and leading the interview.
	Prosecutors are literally law enforcement officers, pretty much functionally.
	So I don't know.
	Like you're making it seem like they're operating on different teams here.
	Yes, they do work together.
	However, you need an agent, a detective, some type of police presence there to do the investigation and to do the interviews, bro.
	And that's a big red flag.
	Can I just address something really quickly?
	I love chat being like, no black voices.
	Hassan didn't want a black voice in that circumstance, bro.
	No jumper.
	Adam 22's operation.
	We're calling that a black voices now.
	Really?
	Halo boom?
	Is that what you're saying in the chat?
	Dumbass.
	Shut the fuck up.
	Well, anyway.
	The point I'm trying to make is there's problems.
	Want to be a theme rapper motivation.
	Okay, sorry.
	Go on.
	There's problems with Kelsey's situation because number one, she was interviewed by prosecutors only.
	There wasn't an investigator there, which is a problem in itself.
	And then second, she switched her story up.
	She said, hey, Tori did XYZ and made him criminally culpable.
	And then when she came in to testify, she immediately took the fifth.
	And then her defense attorney said, we need immunity.
	They tried to get to get immunity where she'd be covered all the way, but they were only able to get use immunity because obviously to get transactional immunity, which would be her protected all the way, that is very difficult to get.
	You would need a DA signature to get that.
	And obviously they're in the middle of trial.
	They don't have time to go back to the DA saying, yo, we need the signature.
	So we're like, listen, we'll give her use immunity.
	We're on the record.
	We're not going to prosecute her.
	That's when she felt comfortable to go ahead and testify after that, pretty much.
	So if she wasn't culpable, why would she fight so hard?
	Why would her defense attorney fight so hard to get her use immunity, bro?
	And you can only take the fifth, right?
	You can ask any attorney this.
	Any defense attorney will tell you this.
	You can only take the fifth when you might be giving testimony that might incriminate yourself.
	But if you're not necessarily giving testimony that's going to incriminate yourself and other people, then you're compelled to testify.
	That is why Gunna cannot assert the Fifth Amendment privilege if they call him to testify in the YSL trial.
	If Young Doug goes to trial, they're going to call Gunna on and he cannot claim Fifth Amendment.
	He will have to testify.
	That is a part of his plea deal.
	Okay.
	So I can't speak on why she wanted to, why she no longer wanted to offer her testimony.
	Okay.
	She did get granted immunity.
	I'm pretty sure.
	Not the full-blown immunity.
	If she was like to go up on that stand and be like, I actually fucking shot someone.
	I was the one who shot.
	Well, if she did say that, all of a sudden your case falls apart.
	Of course, the prosecutor is not going to fucking do that because someone could very easily fall out of favor with the victim like Kelsey and Megan did, and then turn around and be like, you know what, actually, I'm the one who shot it.
	But guess what?
	You guys gave me the fucking immunity.
	You know what I mean?
	Like that's.
	Well, she could have went on the stand and said that, though, because they gave her use immunity, which means her testimony that was given in that circumstance could not be used against her.
	However, that does not mean that law enforcement and all the inconsistencies.
	She could have very easily said, I am here to tell my truth.
	I'm going to tell you exactly what happened.
	And I was wrong originally.
	She didn't even say that.
	Yeah, because she knew before she was lying.
	She got on the stand, bro, and said, I lied.
	You just explained that she got immunity from the original lie that she had told.
	If you're claiming that she originally lied.
	Yes, she originally lied and she didn't want to give testimony because Admitting that she would not have been liable under perjury in that regard because she had gotten immunity to offer her true testimony in that circumstance.
	No, what I'm saying is that she could have been found.
	There's a bunch of things that they could have hit her with.
	There's a bunch of charges she could have got hit with.
	Like what?
	Which is why, which is why she took the fifth.
	You don't trust no jumper.
	I got my man.
	I think he writes to LA Times, James Queely.
	This is this is Kelsey on the stand.
	Our interview that they were trying to refresh her memory many times with.
	She says our interview was not 100% truthful.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Does that make you feel good, brother?
	You literally said, you said, whatever you're saying, I did not tell the truth.
	She basically said it and referred to it and kept almost looking at her lawyer to say, hey, if I answer this, am I getting fucked up legally?
	And they did many sidebars.
	That's just the reality of it.
	Yeah.
	Her interview, her interview not being 100% truthful, especially when there's additional circumstances involved in there, like whether or not I actually, I'm not familiar if she got asked the question about the million dollars that like she did get asked or something like that.
	She did.
	She did get asked.
	But there are plenty of additional instances in that interview.
	You are the one who's inferring the parts that you believe is not truthful from that interview.
	And she still absolutely ended up getting just read the rest of that.
	What is the what's the rest of the quote?
	We're not trusting no jumper, but we definitely trust the LA Times.
	Yeah, of course I trust the LA Times and I trust court reporters.
	So you yourself admitted that no jumper got got.
	So no jumper got got and fucking literally.
	Okay, forget no jumper.
	Harris says she's struggling with postpartum depression, oppression, and a recent death in the family.
	And her mind isn't here right now.
	She also denied Lane's offered her hush money, which Megan alleged he did to the tune of a million dollars.
	So she exact quote from her, by the way, wasn't an immediate denial.
	She literally said it wasn't exactly the way that that was presented.
	I know, I know what I'm talking about because I know what quote that was.
	The reason why we're bringing this up, by the way, is because she has postpartum depression now.
	She has a recent death in the family now.
	If anything, her evidence or her additional information that she's going to offer currently now and not back then is going to be less conclusive.
	What about this one?
	Critically, she wouldn't confirm she saw Lane's with the gun, which she said in the recorded interview, or that Lane's threatened to shoot her.
	She won't confirm it in court.
	She's like, that doesn't.
	Wait, what do you mean?
	That doesn't mean anything.
	She already has.
	Oh, you keep referencing.
	Yes, she literally said.
	Yes, because you and I both know she went on the stand and said, I can't recall anything.
	I can't recall anything.
	I have postpartum.
	I'm depressed.
	I can't recall anything.
	Is basically what she said.
	And then she doesn't mean that she fucking absolutely lied.
	That's the reason why they played the whole interview.
	In a court of law, if any type of witness or victim can't recall their statements and can't even affirm to it, right?
	Keep in mind, she's now under oath.
	She already acted weird with the hey, I needed like immunity of this and her.
	She can't co-sign the majority of what she said in a goddamn interview, right?
	You think that the jury should be like, okay, let's just believe her.
	Really?
	Come on, brother.
	Well, first of all, the jury did believe her ultimately.
	The jury believed Megan thee stallion, who also is a witness in this circumstance.
	The jury also believed what she said originally, which is important to address in this circumstance.
	And the jury, of course, did not take into consideration that she pled the fifth, especially because she had the opportunity, given an immunity to go back and correct the record and refuse to do so while simultaneously admitting that currently, right now, in this very moment, was not likely to give a clear-cut version of the events, considering her postpartum depression and a recent death in the family.
	That's what I'm stating.
	That's the reason why the jury deliberated in the way that it did.
	Hold on.
	Yeah, but you're missing a point here, Hassan.
	See, here's the thing: Tori gets that Fifth Amendment privilege to not testify and not being used against him.
	Kelsey does not.
	Kelsey is a witness in the case.
	She's not the one on trial.
	So if Tori is not available, you can still shit or potentially finish.
	Please let me definitely say, please let me finish.
	You have the right to plead the fifth.
	Regardless, finish.
	You have the right to plead the fifth, regardless of whether or not you're actually incriminating yourself or not.
	You just have that right.
	That is a right that you have.
	You're just rambling, bro.
	So I'm telling you, Tory gets the privilege of them not being able to judge him for taking the fifth.
	Kelsey does not because the Tory is the one that is accused.
	Okay.
	That is the reason why.
	So when Kelsey doesn't get that same Fifth Amendment privilege, that level as Tory, because he's the one that's actually being charged in a criminal case in a criminal court of law in the United States.
	So Kelsey doesn't get that, which is why she was like, I need immunity if I'm going to talk because she is compelled to testify.
	That is why she asked for immunity in the first place.
	Look, go ahead.
	You said that you have to be guilty to plead the fifth.
	That is not the case.
	You don't have to be guilty.
	You have to be potentially liable, right, from a criminal standpoint to invoke the Fifth Amendment.
	Any statement that you may give can incriminate yourself.
	You may validly claim the Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination.
	If you are an innocent witness, you can still plead the fifth.
	That is precisely the reason why we look at pleading the fifth as a right that people have and not as an indication that that person is somehow criminally liable, which is what you guys are doing right now.
	Okay.
	You can only take the entire content behind pleading the fifth would be null and void if we automatically assume that that person is fucking guilty every time they pled the fifth.
	No, no, pleading the fifth isn't an implication of guilt.
	However, if they are, you are making it seem as though it is.
	Well, I mean, one could take it as that, but if you have zero conflict with what's being asked of you when you're either subpoenaed and you're on the stand, you've got to answer.
	You can't just magically say I plead the fifth.
	And then say the judge says to you or you and your attorney, hey, okay, let's figure out why you're pleading the fifth.
	And you're like, no, just because I want to.
	They're not going to just be like, okay, you got it.
	I'll tell you the Supreme Court decision that the justices made on this regard, because like people do plead the fifth sometimes when they're innocent, or they might be afraid, okay, of one reason or the other.
	It's normal.
	The criminal justice system is fucking ruthless, right?
	In the 2001 Supreme Court case, the justices noted that the right against self-incrimination provided by the Fifth Amendment in Ohio versus Reiner, the court case that I was telling you about earlier, okay, that the Fifth Amendment protects the innocent as well as the guilty.
	The court added that a witness may have a reasonable fear of prosecution and yet be innocent of any wrongdoing.
	The ruling noted that innocent people might be ensnared by ambiguous circumstances.
	So her right to plead the fifth in this circumstance was given to her and was protected by the Supreme Court specifically for situations exactly like the one that she was entangled in, where she could have very easily been fearful.
	She could have very easily been fearful that she might be fearful of prosecution.
	Now, granted, but she committed crimes.
	That's because she committed crimes.
	She committed crimes.
	No, no, no, but you're, but you're still doing that.
	But remember, you're still doing that.
	You're still claiming that she is guilty because she bled the fifth.
	If you're saying she's so, I'm not surprised that you think that.
	But anyway, let's go on.
	Let's move on.
	You're saying that she's not a person prosecution, right?
	You're literally alluding to the fact that maybe something that she did or could say would be in some realm of maybe being able to either the DA could pick up a charge on, right?
	We're not saying she's guilty.
	Yeah, it doesn't even matter, though.
	It doesn't matter because what matters is what she felt in that moment.
	If she feels like she could be ensnared for any reason whatsoever, she has the constitutional right to be able to plead the fifth in that regard.
	That's it.
	And that's what she did.
	She exercised it.
	Hassan, do you not see that she was the prosecution's star witness and that is problematic?
	In opening statements, in opening statements, they like the star witness was probably the person who survived getting shot, but she was a witness.
	Yes, she was one of the big witnesses.
	Here's the thing.
	Meg is obviously the victim.
	So that's going to be a witness in itself.
	But I'm talking about the prosecution's star witness from a, how do I say this, from an unbiased standpoint, according to them, was Kelsey.
	And they talked about it in their opening statements.
	Yeah, when you get shot, you are a little biased.
	That's true.
	But, you know, you would probably be biased against the person who shot you.
	In this case, if you claim that it is Kelsey, then she should probably be biased towards her, right?
	What?
	No.
	What I'm saying is that the prosecution in opening statements used Kelsey and said, Kelsey's going to come in here and weave together all our evidence.
	They were relying heavily upon what?
	A jail call, a text message, okay, and then also Kelsey's testimony.
	That's what they were weighing heavily on.
	And then, for everything to make sense and come together, they needed Kelsey's testimony.
	So, when she gets on the stand and takes the Fifth Amendment as the prosecution's main witness, mind you, that is problematic.
	Well, she, like I said, originally did allow this entire thing to come together with her testimony.
	Um, the text messages are also pretty damning too, like saying 911 Tori shot her, Tori shot Megan, but that doesn't necessarily think she why do you think she texted that and then also uh gave corroborating evidence to that?
	And and we're hyper-focusing on like her pleading the fifth, which is her constitutional right to do so for any reason, you know what I mean?
	Like, she could just do that, which she did, she exercised that, but we just refuse to think about why she texted that.
	We don't think about why Tori apologized to every party involved.
	Um, we're not looking at any of those, uh, any of those instances because possibly the witnesses don't take the fifth small reasonable doubt out of like you're working for the defense.
	You're making the inference that the apology is for the shooting while you're definitely absolving um the reason why she would say I'm not taking a stand, period.
	Unless as soon as she understands, she said, I'm playing the fifth.
	It's not that she was asked anything as soon as she got there, but so you want to make the inference that the apology from Tori, which was innocuous, honestly, didn't say what he's apologizing for.
	Say, I'm sorry.
	That's all he said.
	But you're saying that to the shooting.
	What do you think?
	You think he's apologizing because like an altercation happened where like Kelsey shot Megan, right?
	That's what you were because they said he's not really apologizing for Hassan.
	It's because he exposed the whole situation for the shooting.
	Because like, look, if I was involved in a situation, a love triangle, as you claim, right?
	And the girl that was with me shot the other girl, I would not text like, I'm sorry to everyone involved.
	I'd be like, that was crazy.
	Remember when that bitch shot you?
	That was wild, right?
	Like, that's what I would text.
	You're shooting on 2020.
	Hassan, Hassan, you're operating on 2020 hindsight.
	You got to remember, these are women.
	They're emotional.
	They're drunk.
	It's late at night.
	They just saw him get trying to go ahead and get with Kylie Jenner.
	Obviously, they're mad.
	I think Tori Reigns was very emotional.
	I mean, you can say that.
	You can say that.
	That's fine.
	But my point is this.
	Everyone's drunk and emotional.
	And, right?
	And the other thing, too, Kelsey, right?
	He exposes Meg DeSte for having sex with men that she had originally hooked up with Kelsey.
	So that is how the argument ensued.
	So we don't know definitively if he was apologizing for shooting or for putting out Megan's information to Kelsey.
	That's a much bigger thing that you would mention.
	You'd be like, that was crazy when Kelsey shot you, right?
	Because only one person said that would be foolish to do that, though, Hassan.
	Let's be honest.
	I mean, he's not like, he's not going to sit there and be like, yo, that was crazy that Kelsey shot you.
	No, he's going to say, yo, if he apologizes, we don't know what he apologized for.
	So you're in a situation, you're in a love triangle.
	You get a lot of women, right?
	I feel like we used to talk about it all the time.
	You're in a love triangle.
	It happens all the time.
	One of the girls shoots the other girl.
	You're going to be like, I'm sorry that's how it happened.
	You wouldn't be like, how fucking insane was that?
	That this crazy bitch shot you.
	Am I right?
	That's probably what he would say.
	Let me take this.
	Let me take this.
	He's in custody.
	Let me take this.
	And he's been recorded over the jail phone.
	Why do you think he says that?
	Why do you think Kelsey texted 911 Tori shot Meg?
	So now you're moving off the argument.
	Are we talking?
	No, no, no, no.
	I'm asking you.
	I'm asking.
	I legitimately want to know why do you think Kelsey originally texted that?
	If you can see this point, because you're saying what the text from him should be, I'm telling you why it's not like that.
	He's in.
	No, no, no.
	But tell me that.
	Tell me that.
	Tell me that.
	Just, I want to know what you mean.
	Why do you think Kelsey texted 911 Tori shot Meg?
	So by us moving to this, I'm going to answer it.
	I'm feeling like you're conceding that other point because what you're saying would be idiotic if you know you're calling off of a jail phone to say, hey, isn't it crazy?
	Well, you got shot by so-and-so.
	You might as well give a fucking statement.
	Okay.
	And not only that, because that's the case.
	So you got to remember it was protecting.
	He's a rapper, bro.
	He's a rapper.
	He cannot snitch.
	That is career suicide.
	Of course, he's not going to go ahead and incriminate someone else.
	He's a rapper, bro.
	Because I have an answer for the other one.
	He can't do that.
	Yo, put on.
	Okay, that's why.
	Okay, got it.
	Hassan, here's something.
	Every rapper that gets caught cooperating with the police or snitching or doing anything that might put someone else in jail, their career is ruined.
	So of course he's not going to go.
	I know their career is ruined.
	They can still go on DJ Academics' broadcast like Takashi does.
	Okay, man.
	Are we going to stick to the facts here?
	Are we going to try to make side jokes?
	The point is, is that rappers cannot inspire the snitch, bro?
	He's like, no, no, no.
	Yeah, this guy isn't qualified to talk about the culture or anything like that, bro.
	Your facts are non-existent, bro.
	Like, you're deflecting crazy.
	You're just deflecting.
	I'm telling you, I asked you a super question, and nobody was able to answer this question.
	I answered it.
	It's a super Tory.
	It's so correct.
	Can I incriminate Kelsey?
	Text 911 Tori shot Megan.
	If that's not the case, it's 3v1 now, by the way.
	Holy I'll answer that question, but I'm going to just assume that because you diverted, you basically like you bowed out of that other point.
	I mean, you can assume whatever you want to, but you need to answer.
	I just want to know.
	I'm like genuinely interested in your perspective.
	Now, I'll answer that question, but I really could just ask a question to answer, but I'll just answer myself.
	If I was the best friend of someone who just got in a drunken fight and I unfortunately shot at my best friend, okay, she got hurt.
	If I'm the closest person to her team, you think I'm going to text her team, hey, I shot Meg?
	Come on now, would you text that?
	So, in that situation, you think a text message is necessary, right?
	Like, you're saying that the text message is necessary.
	She's belligerent enough to grab a gun, shoot Megan the stallion, but then also somehow has it all together.
	I guess, like, she, the adrenaline kicked in, and all of a sudden, she just like remembered the consequences of her actions and decided to very cleverly and devilishly text this ruse, even though Tori Lane's on Instagram comments has also said that Kelsey had not shot Megan the Stallion.
	And it like, so clearly, the like no one has said Kelsey shot Meg the Stallion.
	That has never even been brought up except for the blogosphere.
	Are we going to hold what Tori said on Instagram?
	Which we don't even know if that's him controlling his page.
	We're going to hold him liable for that, but we can't hold Meg liable for saying out of her own mouth a different story five times.
	Well, I mean, it was used.
	Thank you.
	It was used from what I understand when LAPD detective Warren Eberhardt took the stand to testify that Tori Lane's verified IG account once commented on a theory that Kelsey was the shooter, saying that's not true.
	I'm glad you said that.
	Now, that this incident happened two years ago.
	They asked that same detective, when did you see that message?
	Did you check the IP address of where it came from?
	Because you know, you could have an Instagram account and somebody could access this from Zimbabwe.
	Somebody could access it from Costa Rica.
	You think a hacking happened?
	That's why Tori Lane, or you think Tori Lane's instant?
	So, Corey Lane's interns are fighting against Tori Lanes, is what you're saying.
	Mid-trial, mid-trial, when Mo went live, Tori Lane's Instagram joined the live.
	You think Tori's in court joined it live?
	He has people.
	No, I don't.
	But do you think someone with access to Tories?
	Why is someone with access to Tori Lane's Instagram account defending Kelsey?
	I'm not saying you can't use that as some type of proof, but number one, you saw it a week ago before trial when you had two years to see it, right?
	Number two, you made no fucking effort to try to at least go out of your way to prove that he's the actual one that posted it.
	To be fair, I don't think they needed that because ultimately it wasn't Kelsey that was on trial, it was Tori Lane's on trial.
	Because again, going back to the main thing, the five points that the prosecution laid out was pretty open and shut.
	Oftentimes, cops not very good.
	Oh, no, okay.
	No, I can't.
	I can't talk about feds.
	I don't know how Myron was, but clearly he wasn't that good because now he's doing a fucking POA podcast.
	However, however, you're going to attack the artist, or you're going to just attack the person.
	Literally, it does seem like they had a lot of fucking evidence, right?
	Like, I mean, holy shit, they had the witness who survived petition more than you, brother.
	You got to run for office.
	Like, the way you're able to duck out of shit.
	There's five points of evidence.
	You move to another one.
	And then when we try to get you there, you flip to this other thing.
	Bro, your counter was someone from Zimbabwe might have controlled his account.
	The reason why they didn't even have to find this is because they already had five points of evidence that was so damn in a situation where it was Tori Lane versus Megan Thee Stallion.
	Where being stupid, you cover all type of shit, even if you're covering like the search warrants that was like executed in Mara Laga.
	Come on, you know, if you're going to use someone's social media writings and presence, at least motherfucking execute a warrant.
	Instagram is going to show you exactly where it came from.
	They took a screenshot from the shade room.
	Is that what you want the fucking government to be putting people in jail for?
	That's all I'm trying to say.
	They found a screen.
	Again, it's the reason why they didn't conduct that level of investigation on that regard was because, again, it wasn't, there was no like Kelsey is the actual shooter theory.
	There was no evidence that Kelsey was the actual shooter.
	One of the most damning pieces of evidence was also Kelsey's own fucking text message saying 911, Tory shop, Meg.
	If the police haven't done their due diligence and done their fucking job, you want us to consider some shit off Instagram, at least fucking grant a warrant, okay?
	At least get the information in a right format that the jury could have some validation to the shit you're presenting.
	You're presenting shit like a blog.
	Unfortunately, academics has no, like, you know, I have no, there's no, like, fucking, oh, you have to meet this ball.
	Academics, you understand, they didn't need to do that because it was, you know.
	It ain't court.
	But you know that they didn't need to do that.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, they didn't need to.
	You understand why I'm saying they didn't need to, right?
	You're actually relying on it to make your point.
	So if they didn't need to do it, why are you relying on it to make your point?
	I'm bringing it up because I think that it's already, and there's already enough evidence, as I've shown time and time again, as to why I feel the way I do about the situation.
	I'm not even emotional about this.
	Here's the point.
	Here's the thing.
	Let me take this, bro.
	Let me take this.
	Hassan, you do a great job of deflecting and doing ad hominem attacks, which is fantastic.
	But you know what?
	Let's go over each piece of evidence and actually talk about each piece of evidence with facts versus you making jokes ad hominem attacks.
	Number one, the jail call.
	He never actually admits to shooting at Meg.
	He's just profusely apologizing.
	The text message.
	Kelsey says, oh, Tori shot Meg.
	When they tried to bring in the witness to actually receive the text message so they can get some context, he didn't want to come in and testify.
	I wonder why.
	Also, the text messages between Meg and Tori, we don't necessarily know if he was apologizing for outing Meg the stallion and her promiscuity in the past along with her friend, or if he was apologizing for Kelsey and Meg fist fighting because him starting that conversation initiated the fist fight, or her getting shot.
	We don't know what he was apologizing for.
	It's ambiguous.
	Yeah, but you're making an inference.
	Let me, well, here's the thing.
	You are the one who's making an inference off of that, though.
	What do you, I'm inference off of what?
	Exactly.
	Like, you are using, you are using that, like, you're, that in and of itself, apologies in and of itself, depending on which state you're in, are not admissible as evidence.
	That's what I'm trying to tell you.
	Because of the things that you just mentioned, right?
	Like, but do you not see my logic here?
	That's what he's saying.
	I'm not using that as, like, evidence.
	I'm telling you.
	Well, I'm going through.
	That in and of itself, when we're having a conversation between normal human beings, is kind of odd.
	And the reason why I'm bringing that up is because it's a weird thing to say when there's a much larger situation at play, right?
	What I mean by that is this.
	If someone, if someone is shot in your vicinity, oftentimes you would probably talk about that rather than apologize for, like, your own personal actions that are completely unrelated to that situation.
	No, they are related.
	Hassan, you're missing the point.
	Please let me finish my original point.
	If you were in a similar circumstance, you would probably bring up the shooting rather than, rather than fucking apologize.
	Here's the thing you've got to understand, bro.
	A minor argument you have.
	Let me finish my point.
	The reason why, okay, he apologizes.
	There's so many different reasons he could be apologizing for.
	It could be for them getting in a fight.
	It could be for him revealing Meg's promiscuous past.
	It could be for Kelsey hitting her or whatever it may be, her getting shot, him not wanting to leave the house because he was flirting with Kylie.
	Okay, that's the main point of consideration.
	That's the main point of consideration.
	That is the main point of consideration.
	Of course, though, you've got to look at all the other underlying facts as to what he could be apologizing for.
	He could be apologizing for hitting on Kylie Jenner in front of her.
	It's disrespecting her.
	Yeah, that's why I said common sense, right?
	That's why I said if someone was shot and it was completely outside of your control, you wouldn't say, oh, man, I'm sorry that things got out of hand.
	You'd say, that's crazy that she shot you.
	He can't say that, Hasan, because he's a rapper and his ability to sell records and make music is contingent upon his image.
	He cannot sit there.
	We're making a lot of inferences.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no No, it's not an inference.
	It's common sense.
	Bro, when any, anytime a rapper got common sense, bro.
	Let me finish.
	Let me finish.
	If he's a rapper, why is he apologizing?
	Because he can't know.
	He can't openly say, yo, that's crazy that Kelsey shot you.
	He can't do that.
	I'm other cases.
	I decided 500 cases where a rapper who should have knew information about what actually happened, even if it happened to their old friend, just shut up.
	Most notably, Busta Robinson, who is his bodyguard, one of his best friends, got killed.
	The bodyguard's mom was crying in court.
	Hey, why don't you cooperate, cooperate?
	He didn't say anything.
	That's just what it is.
	He didn't want to cooperate.
	There's a difference between saying it in court and saying it to the person that you're having a conversation with.
	If you're having a text message conversation at that time, when you think that you have an ongoing relationship with that person, so much so that you're trying to fix it by apologizing to them, you would probably fucking, you know, still feel comfortable enough to be like, how crazy is it that they've got to see him that those text messages were going to be used in a criminal court?
	You keep neglecting the point I made.
	One of the conversations, right, is Tori incarcerated calling on a jail phone.
	Why would he say anyone's name?
	You think he's in YSL?
	No, he's not going to say anything.
	Hey, I'm sorry.
	This has happened like that.
	No more details.
	No more.
	No little.
	Whether it was you or not.
	If you ask anybody from the urban hip-hop culture, they would probably say you shouldn't even make the call.
	Yeah.
	And also you have a remote or not.
	And also, LaSan, I think you don't know a culture like that in terms of like hip-hop and the whole rap industry.
	However, Tori, if he snitched in the very beginning, this will all be settled.
	He didn't say anything because he knew his career is on the line.
	Now, regarding that as well, his career is still on the line because, you know, he didn't really have a career.
	Let's be real.
	You know, 26 seasons last time he's popping off, but Tori's a big ass artist.
	What are you talking about?
	He's huge.
	Oh, I mean, just because you might not listen to someone does not necessarily negate the fact that there are notice.
	Your co-host, how old is he?
	How old are you thinking I am, bro?
	What does that have to do with anything?
	I have no idea.
	I have no idea, but like, you said LaSan, so I assume like 14.
	It's not your name, bro.
	Here's the thing, man.
	Bro, come on, dude.
	You are a whole grown-ass man fucking using memes that 14-year-old white boys use on the internet.
	That is fucking embarrassing.
	Not to like dismiss everything.
	They're the master deflection.
	You know, the master impression.
	You got a whole ass show for yourself, too.
	All this you're doing is still wrong, bro.
	It's just hilarious, bro.
	The chat's laughing at you right now, bro.
	It looks dumb right now.
	Yeah, go back.
	Go back.
	Anyway, let's go back to the facts.
	Hassan, let's go back to the facts.
	What I was saying was the text messages, the phone calls, okay?
	He never overtly said, hey, sorry for shooting you.
	And there's a bunch of situations that he could have apologized for.
	So that's number one.
	So we don't know exactly what he was apologizing for.
	And keep in mind, Hassan, it is on the prosecution to prove that Tori is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
	So that's ambiguous.
	It isn't clear.
	Then on top of that, we got gunshot residue, not only on Tori, but we have it on Kelsey as well.
	Not to mention that Kelsey and Meg the Stallion got in a full-on-fledged fist fight prior to the shots going off.
	That is a fact that's been confirmed by Kelsey and it got confirmed by Sean Kelly.
	Kelsey downplayed and said it was just a bump.
	However, they were 100% fist fighting to the point where a pendant was found on the floor.
	We already talked about Sean Kelly's testimony being inconsistent.
	I think, I don't know if you were there for that, but yes, but here's the thing: Kelsey also gunshots or was he just like fair enough on the fucking street, just watching the street for no reason.
	And then Kelsey happened to be a scumbag.
	He also admitted they fought, though.
	So that's what solidifies it.
	Kelsey also admits they fought.
	She downplayed and said it was just a bump, but the evidence shows otherwise.
	You're nailing everything.
	If someone just bumped you, your nail wouldn't fall off and your pendant.
	They were full-on fist fighting.
	I mean, look, I don't know the, I don't know the exact details, you know?
	That's the problem.
	You don't know the details and you're talking.
	That's the problem.
	Bro, yo, Hassan.
	Well, ultimately, you're out of your wheelhouse here, Hassan.
	Respectfully, with all due respect, you're out of your wheelhouse.
	There's enough evidence.
	You're out of your wheelhouse here.
	You can say that all you want, but it doesn't seem like it, especially with this 3v1 situation.
	You guys still look really silly, ultimately.
	What if I might have been saying something different in your chat right now?
	But, you know, what a silly side of your hugbox.
	What is silly?
	That is what's going on.
	What is silly about what I said?
	Having said what I said that having said that, how is this your wheelhouse?
	I do not know.
	I mean, you're a Fed and you don't even fucking understand how the Fifth Amendment works.
	So maybe that's good that you're no longer a Fed, probably.
	Here's the thing, bro.
	The Fifth Amendment only works if you are going to incriminate yourself.
	And there's no fucking talking about it.
	You need reasonable expectation that you can be culpable criminally to be able to assert the fifth.
	Because if that was the case, right?
	If that was a case, then everyone would just be like, oh, I'm just going to stay silent and no one will talk in court.
	Facts.
	Dude, I'm the fifth amendment.
	You can't use the fifth amendment as a protection.
	You're not going to have like cop brain, right?
	Because you're like a, you're, you can't get out of the cop situation.
	Does the fifth amendment work that way?
	It would literally imply that everyone who pleads the fifth would be guilty.
	It would ruin the fifth amendment.
	Hassan, real quick, real quick, real quick, real quick.
	And because I notice you do this a lot.
	Like, you throw mad ad hominem attacks.
	Like, I think he's getting straight at, at least, at least on Mario.
	He's getting straight at whatever.
	Okay, bro.
	It's three.
	We want to fucking lose.
	I'm starting to lose it a little bit.
	I was respectful in the beginning, but goddamn, dude.
	I've been respectful with you.
	I haven't attacked you personally one time.
	How do you know?
	Your fucking 40-year-old co-host called me Lazanne, like he's a fucking child.
	Come on, don't talk.
	You're making fun of a federal agent, bro.
	How old are you?
	12?
	Nigga, he served our country.
	You're making fun of him?
	You're lame, bro.
	Dead ass.
	So you're making fun.
	Oh, Lassan, nigga, that's your fucking name.
	Lassan.
	You're a bum, bro.
	Talking about things that you don't know.
	Thank you.
	The point I'm trying to make here, Hassan, is that thank you for serving, sir.
	Here's the thing, Hassan.
	I've actually investigated criminal cases.
	I've been brief witnesses.
	I've been in federal court several times.
	I've testified hundreds of times.
	I have more experience in this.
	You don't understand the Fifth Amendment.
	That's crazy.
	That is actually crazy.
	You don't understand the Fifth Amendment.
	You cannot randomly assert the Fifth Amendment unless you have reasonable expectation that those statements that you're about to give can incriminate you.
	It is the same exact reason why Gunna will not be able to use the Fifth Amendment privilege.
	This is unrelated.
	You can literally regardless.
	Okay.
	You can plead the fifth regardless.
	It is the law.
	Okay.
	It is.
	You could plead the fifth, but then it's right.
	You can be held in contempt of court.
	You could be, you can be, there's issues that could arise from that if you don't actually, if there's no reasonable expectation that those things can be used against you.
	That's what I'm trying to say, bro.
	I know what you're trying to say, but you're wrong.
	And I told you that there is a Supreme Court case on this exact issue that you're talking about.
	It does.
	I also literally gave you the exact reason as to why it doesn't work that way.
	Because if it worked that way, then everyone would just assume you're guilty all the time, every single time you pled the fifth, which would literally destroy the Fifth Amendment in general.
	Hassan, that wasn't his point.
	And even when I said that wasn't my point, right?
	Of course, clean the Fifth Amendment.
	Because you're inferring that she is guilty.
	And you're also adding additional reasons as to why she might be guilty.
	You're speculating why she might be guilty and saying that that's enough for reasonable doubt.
	Of course it's not enough for reasonable doubt.
	She already gave her original testimony.
	Yo, I know me in particular said that by pleading the fifth, you could infer that that person believes that maybe something they could say could be used to prosecute them.
	I know, but the jury cannot deliberate off of that.
	They can't make inferences in the same way that you are currently.
	Okay.
	So if you want to tell your audience, you want to educate your audience on how it actually works instead of listening to Myron and his assessment of the matter.
	The reality is that when someone pleads the fifth, you cannot assume that they are possibly guilty.
	Myron is absolutely wrong.
	That only extends to Lori Lane.
	That only extends to Tori Lane's because Tori Lanez is the one on trial, not Kelsey, bro.
	Okay.
	If you literally ask for immunity then innocent.
	Why does she ask for immunity?
	No, you're wrong.
	You're just wrong.
	You're fucking wrong, bro.
	The law that you were supposed to be protecting at the point.
	Yo, dude, Hassan, you're just wrong.
	Hassan, the only person that can assert that Fifth Amendment without being judged is Tori Lanez because he is the one on trial, not Kelsey.
	If that was the case, Kelsey would not have asked for immunity.
	That is the difference.
	And the jury can absolutely use the fact that she took the Fifth Amendment in their deliberation.
	I'm going to be honest.
	I'm going to be honest with you.
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	Like, we know, we know cops are bad at fucking knowing the law, right?
	But I really thought feds would be a little bit better at this.
	You are wrong.
	It does not matter if she's on trial or not.
	She, as an innocent third party, absolutely has the right to plead the fifth.
	She does because she thinks she might be, it doesn't matter for what reason.
	Okay.
	And the jury cannot deliberate or infer or speculate any sort of guilt off of that.
	Because if that was the case, then you would undermine the entire reason behind why the Fifth Amendment became a business.
	You know what?
	How about I bring a lawyer in here and show you that you're wrong?
	How about I bring a lawyer?
	If you want, but it's the Constitution and the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court case, Ohio v.
	Reiner is pretty fucking clear on this.
	It doesn't matter what a lawyer is going to tell me.
	Now we're making it for everyone, which is holding off.
	I'm just mentioning the fact, right?
	So, in the closing by George, which is Tori's lawyer, he did ask the jury to consider why she need the need to plead the fifth.
	Or need immunity, actually, need immunity, right?
	So, they brought that up.
	And also, I probably forgot the first thing I was trying to say.
	Oh, so after she got immunity, like the judge, she did try to plead the fifth while on the stand still.
	And the judge forced her to answer a few things.
	Yeah.
	So, I just understand, like, Lasan, just to make this very clear.
	You're telling us that you've never been in the courtroom yourself, telling us something about the Fifth Amendment, and you have an ex-Fed here telling you to your face what it is.
	This is a dumb argument, bro.
	I mean, you're a qualified.
	I really hate a lawyer here, but you're also first of all.
	Yes, unfortunately, the reality of the situation doesn't change when you tell me that someone has been a Fed.
	And that is the reality.
	Like, I know, I know you're trying to desperately at least create some position of authority here, but that doesn't change the reality of what I'm telling you.
	Yes, you're Googling actors, bro.
	You've never been able to do it.
	It is surprising to me as well.
	I mean, okay.
	Yeah, I'm a Googling expert, I guess, but ultimately, I'm still correct, and you're still incorrect.
	And also, you're not the Fed.
	So, I don't know what the fuck we're even talking about.
	This circumstance.
	I'd rather be a Googling expert that is correct than be the second in command next to a Fed who is incorrect.
	You're still wrong, though.
	Like, what would you argue here, bro?
	I'm beginning to like you.
	You're dope.
	You're fucking dope.
	You're dope.
	Thank you so much.
	Thank you so much, bro.
	The whole conversation, the whole conversation.
	You're dope.
	That's been derailed about this one particular meeting.
	And like, it's a big piece of your argument is that, like, she, she, her, her testimony was like inconsistent.
	She didn't offer additional testimony.
	That was part of his argument.
	But, like, even without that being said, I mean, are you saying that if he can't argue that his point was valid?
	What do you, what?
	What point?
	The point that he was arguing with you about about why her testimony, number one, might just look a little shaky.
	She's not a credible witness, Hassan.
	At the end of the day, bro, she's not a credible witness is my main point in all this.
	I don't agree with that.
	I think that she was a credible.
	She was initially when the investigation was being conducted, she was absolutely a credible witness.
	She might have changed her perspective for reasons that she also included, like having postpartum stress, postpartum disorder, being depressed because of a death in the family.
	But ultimately, her new testimony is less than 15 years.
	She's not less conclusive than her original testimony, which is why they played the original testimony in court.
	Dude, she quite literally said that she lies.
	That makes her not a credible witness.
	Actually, on the stand, hey, is like you're pulling her, you're pulling her less credible moments now rather than the moments where she had more clarity back then when she talked to the cops.
	Well, I'm going to rely on when the prosecutors rely on when she's under oath rather than when she's doing a phone interview with the, and it's not the cops, it's the prosecutor.
	She never talked to the cops.
	Yeah, the prosecution detective got the lead detective got put on administrative leave.
	She was going to show up via subpoena.
	They postponed it to December.
	And because they haven't talked to her in such a long time, because they've been requesting to try to talk to her, they say, hey, let's get something on record.
	And that's when the prosecutors, who you could ask Myron, even though you feel like he's not credible, you could actually, the prosecutors actually do these interviews frequently with people who are considered witnesses, or is it a, is it an agent or a detective?
	You know what I mean?
	This whole thing, like even from prosecutors are literally just another arm of the criminal justice system alongside cops.
	They're not in contention with one another.
	They are, unless we're talking about very unique instances where they're like prosecuting a cop.
	They're not.
	That's not how that's not how information is usually gathered.
	And also, she didn't recant any of her, she didn't recant any of her prior testimony.
	She only said, like you also pulled up, that she does not want to offer any testimony now.
	That's it.
	By the way, she said she came on call and she can't recall.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	So, if you're mentioning that, how about we also mention that she also said on the stand that when they asked her, Hey, are you intimidated by Tori being here?
	She said no.
	Are you intimidated by whatever, whatever?
	She says she's only felt pressure coming from the prosecutors.
	That's why they had a sidebar right after the jury left.
	And the prosecutor basically said in open court that they felt offended that they're being accused of trying to either coerce a witness, which they believe they did do.
	Then they later got permission to play her initial interview.
	And they got permission to play the interview to show that she was not under due rest when she gave it.
	But what did she say in court?
	She said if she was feeling uncomfortable, it was because of the pressure from the prosecutor.
	I get it.
	You are selective with what you're going to believe.
	And I'm just telling you, no, I'm not selective with what I'm going to believe.
	First of all, you're doing the exact same thing that you claim I'm doing, right?
	Like you refuse to, you, you omit certain details, or you have no answer for certain details, or when pressed on it, you say, oh, it's probably because he's a rapper.
	Like, that's not even a good defense in any meaningful way.
	Like, so many pieces of evidence in this entire process.
	There's so many pieces of evidence in this entire process.
	From number one, the witness surviving the shooting attempt.
	Meg is not credible.
	Megan is not credible, though.
	But that's crazy.
	How can you say that?
	Okay.
	That's a she's lied.
	She's given Hassan.
	Can you explain to me?
	I will.
	No, no, no.
	I will explain it to you right now.
	I want you to say, I'll explain it to you.
	She's a victim is not credible when she is able to survive the shooting and offer testimony.
	I'll tell you why right now.
	I will tell you why right now.
	She gave conflicting information on her Instagram lives with the Gail Knight interview versus what she testified to.
	On top of that, the prosecution gave a different story on opening statements than she did when she was on the stand, bro.
	That's what I'm trying to say.
	Meg is not credible.
	She openly lied about her sexual past.
	Within what the prosecution said and what Megan Thee Stallion said.
	I will cover that here in a second because I have it in my notes and shit.
	But let me let me tell you that.
	Don't worry.
	I already took notes because I'm like you, I actually watched this case and I know the details.
	You don't.
	So here's the difference.
	Yeah, I would, you know, go ahead.
	Well, if I don't know any of the details of the case, why does it still look like you're having a hard time convincing anyone of what's watching right now crazy?
	She was emotional, but also somehow Kelsey, also being a woman, may or may not have shot Megan thee stallion, but also had the wherewithal in that moment to like fucking turn around and thanks 911.
	You know, Tori shot Meg.
	Her bodyguard to Meg's bodyguard.
	Yes.
	To Meg's bodyguard.
	She sent that.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So why did she say that?
	Dude, there could be a multitude of reasons as to why she would say that.
	Maybe she was criminally cool.
	Maybe that's a point of someone else.
	Well, she was hysterical enough and drunk enough to shoot Megan Thee Stallion off of like some random bullshit.
	Okay.
	Because like you say, or at least academics said that it was random bullshit.
	Like Tori Lane's would never shoot Megan Thee Stallion over like being called short or being called not possible.
	We'll talk about this in a second.
	First, let's talk about how Meg is not credible.
	Okay.
	Meg is not credible because she omitted a critical factor right on a public interview, which the reason how she got on a public television interview in the middle of a criminal case is beyond me.
	But the point is that she said, I did not have a sexual relationship with Tori Lanez.
	Then she gets on the stand and she admits she did have a sexual relationship with Tori Lane's.
	Wait, she lied.
	Yeah, that's like, that's first of all.
	Yeah, of course.
	That's fucking embarrassing for her to make her even a lot of people.
	That's important in regards to whether or not she got shot, bro.
	What the fuck?
	It absolutely is an important factor.
	However, because what?
	Yes.
	That's insane.
	All right, you're going to be a little bit more like that.
	Yeah, this is a private affair that she probably felt fucking really embarrassed by because she fucked the dude who was like 5'2 and shot her.
	Okay.
	The point here, bro, isn't even the argument.
	The argument stemmed from Tori Lane.
	Let me finish my point.
	The reason why that is material is because when Tori Lanez exposed Meg for having sex with not only him, but Kelsey, and he exposed what you're talking about is like TMZ shit while you're talking about a fucking criminal reason they fought, dude.
	I'm trying to explain that to you.
	That's important.
	But she lied about the victim.
	You're literally talking about a victim.
	That does not.
	And making it seem as though the victim is like the actual criminal.
	She's not on trial.
	Scorpio has a responsibility.
	of course the events that lead up to a shooting matter but it is fucking insane that you think that you think this is a good case Of course, she fucking, of course, Tori Lanez went to jail.
	Hassan, you're being emotional right now.
	You think that that's a good enough defense.
	Hassan, you're being emotional right now.
	Let me finish my point before you go crazy and just react versus actually listening to what I'm saying.
	What I am saying is that she is not a credible witness because she lied in a public interview saying she did not have sex with Tori Lanez.
	Now, before you get outraged, the reason why I finish.
	The reason why that is extremely important is because the entire fight is predicated on the fact that she had sex with Tori Lanez because she backed, she backstabbed her friend Kelsey.
	Kelsey went to Texas because she had COVID and Meg thee Stallion started a sexual relationship with Tori.
	That is why the fight ensued in the first place.
	That instance, Kelsey and Meg's fighting, she still got shot by Tori Lane.
	But that's her.
	Here's the thing.
	She has to be credible and be honest.
	She was not honest about that.
	That part doesn't matter.
	It does matter.
	Make an argument is like a matter of personal privacy.
	So, of course, what she's saying in public in a fucking interview in public when she's embarrassed to admit that she Tori Lanes because he wasn't even popping.
	Okay.
	But that's the point I'm trying to make.
	Entirely irrelevant.
	Like, that's not something she shouldn't have done an interview then.
	Why?
	She shouldn't have done it.
	That's the reason why Tori Lane's lost, by the way, because that's what the argument the defense made.
	Okay.
	As though that was like a serious way to fucking defend this person.
	She wasn't embarrassed.
	There's a picture of Tori and Megastallion bent over with Tori.
	She's not embarrassed, bro.
	That's cap.
	So that argument is flawed.
	She's not embarrassed at all.
	No, I think she's well, you know, you do things and then you might be embarrassed by them afterwards is what I'm saying.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, that's that's cool.
	But the point I'm trying to make is that you cannot argue the point that her having sex with Tori is not a part of the case.
	That's very important because that's what led to the entire argument and in public interviews and saying something in a public interview, especially when it's like, you know, the person who shot you and being embarrassed to admit that you that person did lie yes or no?
	So did Meg thee stallion lie yes or no?
	About what?
	Did she lie about Tori Lane?
	I guess she did.
	Who gives a fuck?
	What do you mean?
	I'm saying who she got shot.
	So she lied.
	So that in itself hurts her credibility in a court of law.
	That hurts her credibility.
	That's crazy.
	That's crazy.
	It does.
	It's like, no, you're not understanding what I'm trying to say here.
	Okay.
	I'm going to say this again.
	Sure.
	What she said in the media, okay, is completely irrelevant, especially because it does not pertain to the one-to-one immediate fucking back and forth that occurred that night.
	Okay.
	It's not like she fucking lied about, you know, if she ever said like Kelsey actually shot me and then went back.
	If she had said that, then you have something.
	But her saying, I never fucked Tori Lanes, he's 5'2, and he's got no fucking hits since 2016.
	That's irrelevant.
	That's not relevant to the subject matter at all.
	I know you want to make it relevant to the subject matter.
	It does matter, but she didn't actually lie about any of the fucking information.
	The first time she actually made a statement, okay, to the cops was still to defend Tori Lane's to say that she stepped on glass, even though that was not the case.
	That was a lie too.
	You get that, right?
	Yeah, that was a lie as well.
	Yeah, of course, that was.
	And she admitted that.
	She admitted she lied.
	So what you're missing here is that she's relevant to the case originally.
	Her credibility is right because she also mentioned why she did that.
	She also mentioned why she did that.
	Ultimately, it doesn't matter though, because if she's lying about that, if she's originally defending Tori Lane's, right?
	If she's originally defending Tori Lane's, okay, why did she turn around and blame Tori Lanes afterwards?
	What do you think happened there?
	Do you think it was because a criminal investigation was launched?
	And then she had to fucking tell the truth, despite the fact that knowing full well that there would be dudes like you that would come after her and be like, oh, she's a fucking liar, even though she got shot.
	Did she even actually get shot?
	Who knows?
	You know, yada, yada, yada.
	Like, here's the thing, bro.
	Probably she didn't want to rock the boat.
	She's, she wants to do PR.
	She's popping off.
	She doesn't want this kind of fucking attention, which she admitted time and time again.
	That does not absolve her.
	Her response is going to get fucked over to be truthful.
	That does not absolve her of her responsibility to be truthful, especially when she is the prosecution's witness.
	She should have given all these interviews, etc.
	I have another question for you.
	Her credibility is very important.
	Yes, she is a rapper.
	Okay, maybe she wanted to fucking tell, you know, maybe she didn't want to snitch because she's a rapper.
	Just like you said, Tori Lanes didn't want to switch snitch because he's a rapper.
	I think one is more valid than the other.
	No, Shiri snitched.
	She already snitched.
	What are you talking about?
	It's too late.
	Shorty snitched.
	And female rappers are not held to the same standards.
	Female rappers are not held to the same street ethics and codes that male rappers are.
	Nice try, though.
	Oh, that's oh, dude.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	That's a that's just male rapper code.
	Okay, got it.
	Yeah, bro, come on.
	You are you like a 14-year-old Myron?
	Like, what do you mean?
	Oh, in my worldview, only male rappers have that snitch code.
	So, there's a double standard there.
	Come on, this is facts.
	Practice the stitch so good.
	Come on, this is facts.
	I mean, come on.
	I told you guys, if the roles were reversed, I would 100% have the exact same take.
	Okay.
	If Megan Thee Stallion shot Corey Lane and the other party involved there was like, yo, Megan Thee Stallion shot fucking Tori Lanes.
	I wouldn't turn around and be like, hmm, let's look into this a little bit further.
	Let's be, let's be, let's be more skeptical of the narrative here.
	Like, that's crazy.
	Hassan, like, you don't ever get an open shut case like this, and yet, you know, you still were able to simultaneously create a separate narrative here.
	There is no separate narrative.
	It's been documented several times where male hip-hop artists have been asked, would you provide information to the police?
	And they would say no.
	Cameron famously went, I think it was either 60 minutes or something, asked him, Would you go to the police if there was a serial killer living next door?
	He said, No, I would just move.
	Okay, uh, we gave the example of Busta Rhymes.
	T.I., his best friend got killed.
	He did not want to testify.
	We're talking about completely unrelated things now.
	I'm getting examples documented that rappers do not go to the police.
	That's my argument.
	Is uncooperative.
	He doesn't talk to them.
	And his fucking method.
	This is not like none of this is relevant to what we're having a conversation about.
	It's relevant because Tori's not going to go and say Kelsey shot her, bro.
	That's the point I'm trying to make here.
	Rappers understand that their image is everything, and cooperating with the police will destroy their ability to create music and sell records.
	There's, and we're giving you these instances so you understand the severity of rappers coming out and providing information to police.
	Look at Gunnett as soon as he got released.
	He gave a statement through his lawyer.
	So you said this is only male rapper code, right?
	Like it's not, it's not female rapper code.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Male rappers are held to a higher standard when it comes to the street code when it comes to hip-hop music, bro.
	Do you think there are no female rappers who've done that?
	I'm sure there are, but there aren't the same consequences.
	Meg the Stallion still will enjoy a commercial outhouse.
	This is crazy.
	This is a crazy conversation we're having, by the way.
	Females and possibly domestic violence.
	For example, when Rihanna came out saying Chris Brown did whatever to her, everybody heralded her as very bad.
	But your shoes fucking.
	What do you mean?
	Dude, come on.
	Hold on.
	So what?
	Why is your reaction like I'm upset?
	No, that's how it should be.
	But I'm just showing you the difference between genders.
	That's the only point.
	You're saying you don't know.
	Yes, because you're bringing up a victim.
	Okay.
	Bring up an instance where someone fucking was the victim, okay?
	And they didn't go to the cops, but it doesn't even matter because we have no completely irrelevant.
	This is completely irrelevant to the conversation, regardless.
	Okay.
	There are plenty of female rappers like Lil Kim that also went to fucking jail for a year and plus one day for lying on the stand to cover for her fucking friends.
	This shit doesn't fucking matter to the case overall.
	You're trying to create a narrative where it's like a men versus women thing, but it's ultimately about what happened on that day.
	On that morning, okay.
	What happened on that morning?
	If Blueface went to the cops for those two black guys his girl gave to him, we call him a snitch.
	If Jay-Z went to the cops after that's hold on, if Jay-Z went to the cops after Beyonce's sister gave him a fucking 92 combo with straight chops straight to his chest, we call him.
	I understand what you're saying, but that is completely irrelevant to the conversation.
	Unless you're talking about like you're trying to make the whole Tori Lanes apologize, but didn't say like, wow, that's crazy that someone shot you shtick stick by saying, oh, because like rappers don't snitch.
	That's not snitching.
	Going to the lawman is snitching.
	Saying what the fuck happened that night, that's crazy that you got shot.
	I can't believe this person shot you.
	That's not snitching.
	That's a text message between two friends at that time.
	Okay.
	You don't apologize to someone who is an enemy.
	You apologize to someone who you want to make amends with.
	So my point is, at that point, Tori Lane was apologizing specifically because in custody.
	If you're in custody, why the fuck would you drop a name?
	Why would you drop a name?
	So if you get locked up for, let me see what type of guy you are, right?
	Say you're kicking it with your little high school buddies.
	And let's say, I don't know, maybe one of them has an illegal gun in the car.
	Okay.
	You all, you all are locked up.
	Would you call your other friend and be like, yo, you know that Marcus had the gun in the back?
	Would you say that on the jail phone, brother?
	Bro, you and I both went to Rutgers, dog.
	Okay.
	This, this whole like street cred shit is so stupid.
	Okay.
	We went to the same college, okay?
	Academics.
	Come on.
	Wait, no, that's not about street cred.
	It's about, bro, it's about why would you say something on the jail phone?
	The statement you're getting that you're trying to use as two people privately talking to each other was recorded on a jail phone.
	You might as well just put it in writing for the jury.
	It's not that, it's not like they ran a warrant on his phone later on and said this was a text message that you thought he, you guys were the only person going to see.
	Anybody who has got locked up or if people are doing crime, not saying that I was trying to say that you're a criminal, whatever, or neither, neither am I. Here's the point.
	But listen, but here's the point.
	You're acting like Tori should have said a name when he knows the fucking warden, or not the warden, but the person who is in charge of the jail is listen to his call.
	I mean, he ambiguously self-snitched is what I would say, regardless, ultimately, by apologizing.
	And you wanted him to say a name.
	So you want to snitch regardless.
	Also, I thought he texted her.
	Am I wrong?
	Is that incorrect?
	I thought he sent a text message as well.
	I could have been anybody.
	No, he texted one of them and he called one.
	He called one the night of.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I mean, here's the thing.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So, so, wait, wait, wait.
	You know, you know, so, so the texting is not a jail phone, right?
	Like, so why do you think he did that then?
	He's just, yo, yo, Hassan, man.
	But I'm asking you a question.
	Come on.
	Why do you think the texting is not the jail phone?
	He's not in custody.
	He's sending a text message.
	Why do you think he texted that?
	Oh, God.
	I mean, that's a real.
	I can't ask you a single question without you being like, oh, I'm so good at fucking.
	Hassan, the answer to that, I got the answer to that.
	We don't know the answer, Hassan.
	We don't know the answer.
	There were so many different factors going on.
	The two best friends fighting, him hitting on Kylie Jenner right in front of her, her wanting to leave and Tori not wanting to leave the first time.
	And then he had to come back and leave.
	There's so many different situations.
	A shooting.
	Like the main point of condition there is a shooting.
	And it could have been bringing that up.
	He was sorry.
	Oh, man.
	Hassan, he could have been sorry that she got shot, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's a trigger man, bro.
	That's what I'm trying to tell you.
	There were so many factors that went on that night that he could have apologized for.
	It doesn't necessarily have to be that it was just the shooting or him shooting at her.
	It could have been her getting shot by someone else.
	The anthology is ambiguous.
	We don't know the situation why.
	You think he says, sorry you got shot by someone else?
	Dude, it could have been for him hitting in front of Kylie.
	It could have been him exposing.
	I'm not going to let Myra rock.
	I'm telling you, maybe you guys have.
	Maybe you're not going to be able to do that.
	Hassan, there's a multitude of reasons.
	Maybe there's a third shooter, okay?
	I'm going to know.
	Who was at the Grassy Knoll?
	Who was at the Grassy Knoll?
	Hassan, the reason why I'm giving up, and I'm letting Myra rock because it reminds me, because I've watched a good amount of your content.
	And you sound like the same dude who was debating with Charlie Kirk, man.
	And I felt like you were going to circle when that boy was giving the work.
	So I hear it now and I'm like, yo, this is great.
	Let Myron deal with you because we're not about to just keep going to circle, bro.
	Like, I'm already busy.
	You're refusing to even concede on small points that we can't even go forward, my nigga.
	Like, it's like, you're just, I mean, but like, but there's no, there are, there are inconsistencies with respect to what Kelsey said afterwards, but we've addressed them, right?
	Like, I already addressed them.
	I told you.
	But the fact that there are inconsistencies whenever a witness has inconsistencies, that makes the witness less credible.
	Do you not understand that testimony needs to be uniform across all platforms?
	If you say one thing here, they get on the stand and give something here that hurts your credibility.
	My argument is simply she gave Kelsey on the screen.
	Kelsey and Meg.
	Said that she has postpartum and also on top of that had a death in the family.
	That is not an excuse to lie.
	She's having a hard time recalling incidents.
	That is not an excuse to live.
	That is an inconsistency, certainly, but it's one that has been addressed.
	And I think that it was enough for the jury to, you know, saying I had a postpartum the question is not a, it does not absolve you of your duty to tell the truth as a witness.
	That hurts her credibility.
	So did Meg.
	I'm arguing simply this.
	Kelsey and Meg are not credible witnesses because they gave inconsistent stories pertaining to the shooting from the beginning between Meg getting on IG Live and giving different recounts of the event to her getting on a public interview on television saying she did not have a sex relationship with Tori.
	And that was extremely material to the situation because a fight broke out, as said by Kelsey as well, due to Tori Lane's having a sex relationship with Kelsey.
	So what I'm saying is that Kelsey and Meg are not credible witnesses.
	And then you add in the factor that they were all drunk.
	So you hurt the people.
	He's not a credible witness.
	No, because she was, because she didn't want to admit that she fucked Tori Lane's.
	Like, that's crazy.
	Come on, but that's a material fact that's important in a TV interview, like unrelated to the fucking court case.
	Come on, everything is related, everything is related.
	Public statements can always be used, they're unrelated.
	It's like, oh, you lied when you were 14 years old one time.
	So, like, sorry.
	Sorry, you lied about the investigation.
	You lied about the investigation.
	Because she gave a differing story on a material fact in her own criminal investigation case where she's the witness.
	That is not a material fact.
	Yes, it is.
	It's not a material fact.
	A material fact would be: if you want to talk about material fact, you could actually bring up originally said she stepped on glass.
	No, no, no.
	I'm talking material facts.
	That's having sexual tourism.
	That's important.
	Bro, that if that was important, then the court would have argued that that was important.
	But luckily, they did argue the jury and the criminal justice system doesn't operate like a bunch of fucking manosphere podcasters.
	Holy fuck.
	Come on, dude.
	Bro, the fights between her and her whole team if she wants to.
	She still got whatever she wants.
	It doesn't matter.
	But the shooting happened because she fucked Tori Lanes, which means it's important.
	That's crazy.
	That's crazy.
	Bro, there's good evidence that Kelsey could have been the shooter and they argued over Tori Lanes.
	You're telling me that wasn't relevant to the facts.
	No, but dick.
	Jesus Christ.
	Bro, it is extremely relevant because Kelsey could have been the shooter.
	Also, the other part of this is that that's crazy to me.
	It's like everyone's fucking mad at Megan Thee Stallion, who got shot.
	And like, no one's mad at fucking Kelsey, who apparently is the real shooter.
	You know what I mean?
	There's no good evidence that she was the shooter.
	She did test positive for gunshot residue.
	Do you know why?
	Also, she failed the GSR test.
	They both failed it.
	That's true.
	The DNA evidence on the gun was inconclusive.
	That's also true.
	That doesn't mean that there was no DNA evidence for Tori Lanez.
	That does not mean that there was no DNA evidence for Kelsey.
	It was just simply that it was inconclusive.
	Okay.
	And in the court of laws are correct.
	It's supposed to be beyond a reasonable doubt.
	What I'm saying is that there was doubt here.
	There was a significant amount of doubt.
	We got witnesses that aren't credible.
	We got DNA tests that aren't being conclusive.
	We got witnesses saying, yeah, of course, DNA can sometimes be inconclusive.
	That's why you rely on the entire situation.
	That's why you rely on witness testimony.
	And guess what?
	Here's the reality.
	Witnesses that aren't credible.
	If you shoot someone, if they survive, you're kind of fucked.
	That's it.
	That's it.
	Like, ultimately, this is where the court case starts.
	And this is where the court case begins.
	You shoot someone and they fucking survive.
	You are fucked.
	That's it.
	You can say your honor.
	She fucked the whole squad, though.
	Your honor.
	She lied about fucking someone, but then said that she actually did fuck them.
	It doesn't matter.
	She got shot by the dude and she said, this shot me.
	That's it.
	But she's not credible.
	It could have been Kelsey shooting her.
	Oh, well, that's inconclusive.
	Could have been Kelsey shooting or whatever.
	He didn't finish the job.
	Do you know why people are mad at Meg?
	Because she lied multiple times.
	That's a big issue here.
	Bro, no, I know why people are mad at Meg because you have built an entire career shitting on women.
	That's why, you know, what does that have to do with anything?
	All you do is do ad hominem attacks.
	You don't argue the points.
	I'm saying she's not a credible witness because she lied on multiple occasions.
	Of course, I argue the points.
	Dude, if we're talking about ad hominem, you literally keep bringing up the fact that Megan thee stallion in a TV interview says she didn't fuck Tori Lanes, but then openly admitted that she fucked Tori Lane's.
	Because that goes to speak about her credibility.
	It shows that she's a liar.
	The case should be thrown out or something.
	It's relevant because she's a liar.
	It's relevant because she's a liar, bro.
	Are you missing the point that she lied and didn't give a consistent story?
	That's crazy.
	I'm kind of trying to moderate a little bit.
	I don't think he's saying it means the case should be thrown out, but it goes towards credibility, which yeah, no, no, no, no, exactly.
	That's what I've been saying.
	What are you arguing then?
	That's what I've been saying.
	What are you arguing then?
	What are you arguing?
	Her credibility is hurt because she's lied and hasn't told the same story multiple times.
	That's my point.
	It is a private affair that she fucking said on television versus when she was under oath.
	Of course, that does not mean anything about her credibility.
	Okay.
	There are additional reasons as to why people sometimes feel conflicted about openly stating who they fucked.
	Okay.
	That's understandable.
	It's the most understandable thing.
	If you were a little bit more charitable in this regard, you would also recognize that.
	Come on.
	Okay.
	Let's talk about how she didn't want to admit that her and Kelsey got in a physical altercation.
	How about that?
	Let's also talk about how she said that they left one time, but in reality, they really left twice and they came back for a sandal.
	Let's talk about her lying on a public interview.
	Let's talk about her IG stories and her IG lives where she gave different conflicting accounts.
	You know the situation.
	You know, ultimately, you know, ultimately, when you're recalling shit, there's going to be instances where you're not 100% accurate.
	Okay.
	This happens all the time.
	That's why you don't go on the internet and talk about it.
	Measure it to credibility.
	Measure that on how severe it is, right?
	You have to measure that on how severe that is.
	Recanting or recalling instances that even happened to you is oftentimes going to be murky.
	Now, if you are, let's say, a third-party person who claims you woke up the gunshots and then change your testimony to, oh, actually, I was watching them fight.
	So I saw every single thing that happened.
	That's pretty inconsistent, especially because of your proximity to the situation.
	If you're Kelsey in that regard, your testimony, if it had changed dramatically, which it never did, right?
	Remember, it did change.
	Never dramatically changed her testimony.
	She never dramatically changed her testimony and was literally given the opportunity to address it with immunity in a court of law.
	Hassan did not.
	Do you even see this trial?
	She gave a completely different account.
	Let's go.
	Let me get a word in.
	So remember, I said it's about credibility.
	And I think the way you even try to describe certain things is probably the reason why we're having the problem, even kind of like understanding how this case even devolved, how it did.
	Like when people are mentioning her sexual history, it's not to shame her.
	This and third, it's about credibility, right?
	Also, for example, she has a habit about drinking.
	I drink a lot every day.
	Okay.
	This is not to shame her, but no, I know.
	I've seen you.
	I've seen you fall asleep watching, listening to Drake.
	Yeah, that's one of my favorite clips.
	But here's the thing, though.
	If we mention her drinking, it's not to shame her habits or her possibly being an alcoholic.
	It's probably to say, well, she was in a state of mind that she could probably not remember these details accurately.
	For example, like what Myra said, when she stated the sequence of events, she did not recall leaving the party, then returning.
	But her friend said that happened.
	Again, it's not trying to be like, oh, do you think you think like, do you think not remembering whether you left the party and returned is of the same vein as like being fucking shot in the foot?
	Like, come on.
	Of course, small details like that, small details like that can escape you in a lot of instances.
	That's why witness testimony is oftentimes murdered.
	There's a big difference between going, I got fucking shot in the foot by that five foot two man right there and saying, oh, I might have left the party.
	I might not have left the party.
	She's never seen who pulled the trigger in everybody else's other testimony.
	I am not true.
	That's not true.
	She testified.
	That's not true.
	She testified.
	She never said.
	She turned around.
	Oh, no, no.
	She never says she's seen who pulled the trigger.
	She said, right.
	She literally turned around.
	She said, I turned my upper body around and saw Tori Lane shooting.
	No, she's never seen the trigger being pulled.
	She said she heard this bitch dance.
	She looked over her shoulder.
	She seen Tori.
	Then she turned back around.
	I'll lock a thousand dollars.
	We can lock on it.
	She never actually seen.
	So, so obviously, by circumstantial evidence, you'd assume it is Tori.
	However, going back to her state of mind and not remembering, though, according to the GSR report, Tori, if the gunfire happened at that moment, Tori had to be right next to Kelsey.
	They asked her, did you see when you turned your back and you heard that, did you see Kelsey anywhere near there?
	She said, I'd never seen Kelsey.
	Kelsey was nowhere in the vicinity.
	Right.
	Can you tell me?
	By the way, by the way, I already told you what happened in that regard.
	Megan Neustallion also said that she had turned around after hearing the voices.
	Also, Kelsey said she turned around as well.
	But listen, listen, I have another, I have another question for you.
	But like, so you're doing the thing.
	No, bro.
	Frank out.
	No, because we already, this is literally addressed in the court.
	Like, we're in a loop now.
	I'm trying to move the conversation along as best as possible.
	I'm going to move the conversation along as quickly as possible because there's one additional thing.
	This is why I'm like, you said he made jail.
	You said he made phone calls from jail.
	Yo, you said something that was obviously false.
	I am holding you to the fire saying that is false.
	You know what you do?
	Let's move to another point.
	Exactly.
	Okay, we can go back to that.
	What is it?
	Here, go ahead.
	Sorry.
	You're right.
	I will have this conversation again.
	She testified under oath that she believes Tori shot her, right?
	Because she saw him with the gun.
	She didn't see when he pulled the trigger.
	She saw him with the gun before the shot.
	She also did say, she also did say that she turned around.
	Like she was walking away from them.
	But when she heard noises, she did turn her upper body around.
	She did say that.
	She said that in court.
	Hold on.
	In her testimony.
	She did the same thing I am, but Shawn twisted it in your way.
	Yes.
	She.
	Wait, what do you mean?
	No, no.
	She turned.
	Hold on.
	We don't care what.
	Let's just find the quote.
	Let's just find the quote.
	If she heard, listen, gallop, bitch, gallop.
	She or whatever.
	Did she see the bullets coming out of that gun?
	Was her eyes locked with the shooter?
	No.
	She said she saw Tori with the gun.
	Bro, that's crazy.
	Okay.
	That's an insane.
	So what happened?
	Tori Lanes is a fucking acrobat.
	And like he grabbed the gun out of Kelsey's hand in the fucking five seconds.
	Yeah, of course, dude.
	You know how fast bullets travel?
	It's kind of the whole point.
	Okay.
	So, so, so you're actually, you're now doing the theatric.
	Wait, no, of course, because I'm a normal human being with a normal human being's brain.
	Obviously, when she says, I turned around, I saw Tori with the gun.
	That's that's immediately after.
	Okay, okay.
	Immediately after she got shot.
	All right.
	So, so let me give you why that's relevant.
	Are you going to let me make this claim?
	Okay, I want to hear this.
	Yes, I want to hear why this is relevant.
	And it goes back to her to intoxication and her not remembering what happened.
	According to her, there was no, um, the um, there was a witness that testified that she got out of the car and she walked towards the passenger side.
	I forget on which side, but that's also in line with Sean Kelly, who said there was a fight.
	She claims she doesn't remember that.
	She only remembers walking away, then hearing dance bits dance.
	The reason why I'm saying that, I'm not saying that she just blatantly lied about that.
	I'm saying because her memory's now in question, because of how inebriated she's at.
	Keep in mind, they also said, Well, if you turned around, but it's still, but it literally still like straight up fucking is corroborated by Kelsey's testimony originally.
	And you can't undermine it by claiming her original testimony.
	Yo, Hassan, Hassan, her original testimony does not matter.
	You keep trying to go ahead off of the police interview.
	She admitted, yo, Hassan, here are the facts.
	Okay, she went in, she gave the police a statement in September of 2022, two years after the fact, and she went ahead and implicated Tori as the shooter.
	She went and corroborated a lot of Meg's story and said all this stuff to pin it on Tori.
	She gets on the stand, switches her story, says straight up, I lied.
	And then they asked, why did you lie?
	And she says, to protect myself.
	And she kept on.
	To protect my life.
	When you say that, you're making it seem like every part of her testimony was incorrect.
	She said she lied in the interview and still refused to do so.
	No, she openly said, I lied in that interview earlier with the police.
	There were lies.
	Multiple facts in that conversation.
	Then they asked directly pinpointing a singular piece of information that she said was incorrect.
	Do you realize how ridiculous you sound if someone is saying someone says, you know, apples are red, okay?
	And then they say the sky is green in that interview.
	Okay.
	And then they turn around and testify and say, actually, I lied about that interview.
	Does that mean apples are not red?
	No, you don't get what I'm saying.
	If I said I lied about something, no matter what I lied about.
	And she didn't even say she lied about something.
	She said that it was inconsistent with even if, okay, okay, let's go with that.
	You don't think that you don't think your credibility is now in doubt, brother?
	You still think that that's a credible thing?
	You have no 100% truthful and was given immunity so she could clarify her statements, which she refused to do.
	She did not do that.
	She also said she is currently under like a lot of pressure, which is understandable, and ultimately did not reveal any additional information, but she had the opportunity to say what she lied about and change her testimony, which she did not do.
	So, of course, ultimately they used her original testimony, okay?
	Which isn't credible because she said that she lied and it wasn't true.
	Like, bro, you're missing.
	You don't understand.
	You can't use that.
	It doesn't work.
	And then when they ask her, evidence that has been gathered, you know, you've built cases before, right?
	Like, this is evidence that been gathered.
	You can't just be like, okay, well, I guess we just throw the whole case away.
	Look at that.
	That's not how this works.
	Oh, man.
	Bro.
	I mean, come on.
	That's not how this works.
	It is exactly how it works because a witness's credibility is everything.
	No, that's not.
	A witness's credibility is everything, Hassan.
	Okay.
	And the other thing, too, we could talk about the witnesses not being credible.
	We could talk about the lead detective being under investigation, having Giglio issues and being on admin leave.
	We could talk about how the police didn't properly secure the area and properly place evidence tags on all the bullet fragments and the blood and they weren't able to get an actual trajectory of a path of how Megan walked.
	We could talk about how Kelsey was sitting in the back seat behind Megan.
	Megan was sitting in the front seat.
	Tori was sitting in the back, left passenger seat behind the driver.
	How would he have had time to go ahead and run around the corner, grab the gun, say, yeah, dance, bitch, dance, and then actually shoot her when she was only releasing a few seconds from the open door.
	He shot from the open door of the car.
	She said he was standing.
	See, that's another level.
	That's what I'm trying to tell you, bro.
	There's holes all over the place where there's not necessarily a clear-cut situation.
	Also, there's a discrepancy.
	Hassan, let me finish.
	There's a discrepancy between what the prosecution said in opening statements and Meg.
	Go ahead and I'll read it for you because I went ahead and took some notes on this from before because I've covered it.
	I have another question.
	Let me finish my point.
	Let me finish.
	Let me finish this.
	Are you serious?
	Let me finish my point before you ask your question.
	I know what I'm saying.
	There's like two staters now that I want to fucking talk about.
	Hey, hey, hey, no, we're going to get this.
	I let you speak.
	Okay, go ahead.
	I actually see the difference between me and you, Hassan, is that I listened to you speak and I understand it.
	That's why I'm able to reflect.
	You're right.
	I'm sorry.
	Go ahead, please.
	So, the discrepancy is this: prosecutor said that Kelsey went to Meg after being shot.
	Then, when Tori ran up to try to attack her, Kelsey got in the middle, fought Tori off, and he grabbed her by the hair.
	That's why her nail broke and her pendant broke, right?
	That's what the prosecution said and opening statements.
	However, Meg said when she got shot, Tori and Kelsey came at her at the same time, and she didn't make any mention of them actually fighting.
	So, that's a huge discrepancy there.
	Okay, that's not a disliterally not a discrepancy.
	She not revealing that piece of information might be for any million different fucking reasons, given the adrenaline-packed circumstance and the fact that she turned around and saw who had the gun.
	If you're getting shot at and you see who has the fucking gun, who shot you with, okay, who they who you got shot with, the gun that you got shot with, then obviously, like, that's what you're hyper-focusing on.
	Okay, I understand.
	That is totally understandable.
	That does not make her like a non-credible witness.
	This standard, if this standard was applied to every single court case, literally, no one would get jailed for murder.
	I hope you understand, but you're missing that would be additional evidence on this would be just video footage of Tori Lane's shooting Megan thee stallion, going dance, bitch, dance.
	And even then, I feel like you'd probably still defend it.
	You're missing the point there, Hassan.
	Back to what I was talking about.
	It's not conclusive.
	It's my point, including the text message that Tori Lanez sent to Megan the Stallion.
	That was not actually a phone conversation from jail.
	That was a text message that Tori Lanes actually sent to Megan Thee Stallion saying, I apologize.
	I'm so sorry how things happen.
	I can't remember.
	It was not on a jail phone.
	It was not actually in a snitch situation.
	And in that circumstance, you would absolutely fucking say, You would absolutely say something like, Oh, that's crazy.
	Like, I can't believe that shit happened rather than saying, Oh, I'm so sorry, Meg.
	I know you're probably never going to talk to me again, but I genuinely want you to know I'm sorry from the bottom of my heart.
	And I was just too drunk.
	Nonetheless, shit should have never happened, and I can't change what I did.
	I just feel horrible.
	You think after Megan thee Stallion got shot, you think that like that's a text message that you're sending to a human being?
	We're talking reason, okay?
	Within the bounds of reason, you think you're sending that text message to be like, Oh man, it's so crazy.
	I like, you know, uh, revealed your information, or do you think you'd be like, How crazy was it that, you know, Kelsey shot you?
	Because this is between two parties that are still trying to make amends.
	Okay, Hassan, I already addressed this text message when I was going through the evidence.
	I told you that there's reasons why he could be apologizing.
	It could have been for him hitting on Kylie Jenner in front of her, it could have been on him getting a fight started between Megan the Stallion.
	It could have been him, you know what I mean?
	Okay, I understand.
	I feel like that's something you would address.
	Okay, I get that.
	I get that, but there were so many things that occurred that night that he could be apologizing for.
	You understand that?
	Okay, good.
	I just wanted to mention that because it's not even like completely relevant to the conversation.
	Like I said, because it's not evidence, you can't use this as evidence that like Tori Lane shot Megan thee Stallion for sure.
	But the reason why I wanted to bring this up is because we're just having a conversation between two guys within like common reason.
	And reasonable boundaries would also, you know, reasonable boundaries would also dictate that you would most likely talk about the main issue at hand, someone getting shot.
	I understand that, Hassan.
	But what I am saying is that there were so many things that happened negatively to Megan that night that he could have apologized for any of it.
	That's by your logic, that means if you tell someone my condolences or I'm sorry for your loss, that means that you were the murderer or the shooter of that person at deceased.
	I'm saying he's sorry for what happened.
	Yeah, if I wait, what?
	If I shot someone and then I and then they survived and I said I'm sorry for what I did that night.
	Yeah, it kind of seems like I shot that person.
	But I'm in a conversation that's reasonable.
	He never admitted to shooting her.
	If I said I can't change what I did, he basically said everything but I'm sorry I shot you.
	Okay.
	But do you know what else he did that night?
	Going, no, there's a million different reasons.
	There's a million reasons.
	Sorry, because he actually said a no-no word.
	What if he was sorry because he actually revealed that he wanted to fuck Kylie Jenner that night?
	Like, bro, she got shot.
	Of course, she's, of course, he's talking about how he shot her.
	No, see, that's what you're coming.
	That's what you're coming to the conclusion of.
	What I'm saying is that a bunch of things happened to Meg that night.
	He could have apologized for a multitude of reasons.
	I've outlined this before.
	He hit on Kylie.
	By the way, this is like I said, it's not even invisible in court.
	It's funny that I get you defend this.
	No, but what I'm saying is, but that's the point, bro.
	The defense's job is to create reasonable doubt.
	We don't know what he apologized for.
	It could have been him hitting on Kylie.
	It could have been him getting starting the fight between him and Kelsey, her and Kelsey getting in a fist fight.
	It could have been her getting shot.
	It could have been Kelsey shooting at him.
	It could have been, it could have been any of these.
	I'm sorry that we got into a fight on the night that the girl that you were seeing, let's say, got shot by another girl.
	That's what you're saying.
	Like, you're actually texting that text message.
	You're saying, I'm sorry for how I conducted myself when you got shot.
	Is that that's a that's you would say that you think, dude, what I would do versus what happened to Tori are two different things.
	I'm saying he could have apologized for a multitude of reasons.
	You're just saying he apologized because he shot her.
	No, there was a bunch of things that came out that night that no one knew about.
	For example, Kelsey did not know.
	I don't think she's aware of that.
	Please stop for two seconds.
	Please stop for two seconds.
	Please stop for two seconds and listen because the difference between me and you is I listen very closely to everything you say.
	You don't listen to anything that I say.
	You got to understand that when Tori said, Yo, Meg, just so you know, you backstabbed your friend.
	You were fucking on me.
	You were fucking on the baby, et cetera.
	That was the first time that Kelsey heard that information.
	Okay.
	So she obviously felt some type of way.
	They're all drunk.
	Emotions are high.
	Then all three of them are arguing in the love triangle.
	Kelsey did not know that information until Tori exposed it.
	And she embarrassed, he embarrassed the fuck out of Meg.
	So that is what led to the physical altercation between Kelsey and Meg.
	They were best friends prior to the situation.
	So there's a multitude of reasons why Tori might be apologizing.
	It does not necessarily have to be just because he shot her.
	If they had a physical altercation and Kelsey shot her, why did she blame Tori Lane's?
	Bro, that also can be explained.
	It could have been she was trying to take away some responsibility from herself.
	It could have been, oh, I need to pin this on somebody.
	You think if she had to be shot, she would have to describe her position?
	No, she would have been like, I got fucking shot by this crazy buddy.
	You're talking about Meg or Kelsey.
	Come on, Meg or Kelsey.
	You're crazy.
	In your mind, that's how that works.
	But that's not how that works in the fucking court of law.
	If she got shot by Kelsey and they fought and they fucking hate one another, clearly she's going to be like, I got shot by this crazy bitch, Kelsey.
	Lock her up.
	No, she wouldn't because they were best friends prior.
	She was probably trying to protect Kelsey.
	Why would she not?
	She would not snitch on.
	So, why is she not?
	But like, but like, that doesn't make any sense.
	That doesn't make any perfect sense.
	She can go ahead and put him on Tori.
	Turn around and be like, oh, yeah, actually, Kelsey's the one who's responsible.
	Like, your own logical box that you have created doesn't make sense when you ask like three or four questions about motives of people that you're not hyper-focusing on.
	Listen, this is common sense, bro.
	The video showing why is Tory protecting Kelsey?
	Why is Megan protecting Kelsey when Kelsey's the one who shot Megan in that circumstance?
	Like, it makes no sense.
	She didn't see, bro.
	Like, she wouldn't even know.
	She just looked all shared with dance bitch.
	If that was the case, then why did Kelsey say, Did you hear the words dance bitch?
	She said, Now, where'd you hear that from?
	That was her verbatim answer to that.
	If you made it shooter, she didn't hear, she didn't hear the words dance, bitch.
	Fine.
	Okay.
	That's fine.
	I mean, that tiredness.
	You're not kidding.
	You're not responding to my question.
	Why would Megan thee stallion defend Kelsey despite being shot, even if they are no longer friends and they're no longer friends?
	You know what I mean?
	Because who's the bigger enemy?
	You think you think what?
	Kelsey shot her.
	Her and Kelsey were best friends at the time.
	In a situation, that's crazy that you think that like a person who's trying to literally be like, oh my God, I got shot by this woman, but I fucking hate Tori Lane's more.
	That's an insane inference, dude.
	Come on.
	Meg only named Tori after Meg basically came out and said, I'm tired of sparing you.
	He says one more lie.
	I'm tired of sparing you.
	She tweeted this.
	This was basically her thinking that blogs and media were trying to portray her as either part of the melee that happened that night or making it seem like she got shot.
	Okay, no, I'm not.
	You're saying the obvious, my guy.
	But I'm not trying to tell you when she named Tori.
	I'm trying to tell you when she named Tori and why she had a reason to name him.
	She had a reason to name him because she felt that the media was kind of painting her in a situation where she was lumping them with her and also making her seem to be the bad guy.
	So she then basically threatened.
	Then she said, she went on live.
	She said, Tori shot me.
	Okay.
	Criminal charges never came till then.
	So if you're wondering, oh, wait, wait.
	You're talking about the IG Live where Megan thee Stallion says Tori Lanes shot her.
	Okay.
	She that was like, that was that was that was August 20th, though.
	You made it seem like it took her years to uh admit this.
	It was at least a month, yeah.
	That's that's not all that much time.
	What do you mean?
	She got shot.
	Listen, her original in it.
	What's your logic?
	Her original reasoning in this situation was to like get away from the situation.
	If her original, yeah, okay, a month.
	What is your logic?
	If someone shot you, would you wait a month to tell the police?
	What'd your logic?
	I mean, she already, well, come actually.
	As a matter of fact, I wouldn't, but Maggie the Stallion explained why she did.
	She waited a month because of what?
	Because she talked to them four days later, too.
	Please tell us.
	Wait, she waited a fucking month because during that entire timeline, people were, as you already said, literally blaming her for fucking being shot and putting her putting the responsibility on her after she got fucking shot.
	That's crazy.
	She did not originally want to fucking snitch.
	Maybe because she's a rapper, like you guys also said, you know, there's a rapper code.
	She didn't want to snitch.
	She didn't want to fucking snitch on Tori Lanes.
	But after people fucking constantly push you to the goddamn brink and you're literally the victim in that circumstance, yeah, of course you're going to fucking come out and say, like, yeah, what the fuck is this shit?
	I got shot by Tori Lanez, and you motherfuckers are claiming that I'm the responsible party when my feet got bullet holes in them.
	Well, again, I'm answering your statement of why wouldn't she possibly say, let's say it was Kelsey.
	Why wouldn't she come out and just say Kelsey?
	Well, she didn't.
	Hold on a second.
	You jumped the gun too much.
	Hold on.
	I'm telling you, she didn't come out to say Tori either.
	The reason why she came out to say Tori is because she felt Tori was playing games with the media.
	So it only, hold on.
	So it's fair to assume that her calling his name was a direct result of what she felt he was doing, not that she came to some type of, oh, I'm ready to speak.
	So now when you say, well, why wouldn't she name Kelsey?
	Kelsey isn't a star.
	Kelsey has no type of power and control over the media or the narrative.
	Again, why if you waited that long, even if it was Kelsey, why say anything?
	Kelsey can't affect your career, can't affect the narrative.
	But who can?
	Tori Lanes.
	I hope you understood that part.
	That's crazy.
	You think she got cloud off of fucking if she's gonna be cloudy?
	She could have jumped the gun from the start.
	Brother, you listened.
	She would have just said what happened that night.
	Hassan, your listener skills are so crazy, brother.
	You don't listen.
	You don't listen.
	That's the problem.
	Hold on, my dude.
	You said one thing.
	I'm gonna repeat what you said.
	You said, oh, if it was Kelsey that shot her, why wouldn't she just say Kelsey?
	So I reminded you, well, she didn't say Tori till at least over a month later.
	Then I reminded you why she was shot.
	She was shot.
	So she can't lie about being shot because she was.
	Brother, hear what I'm saying.
	Hear what I'm saying.
	She named someone a month later.
	It's important.
	Why did she name someone at that juncture?
	She everyone kept fucking blaming her for being shot.
	And that is why she admitted who was actually the person who's responsible.
	This is why literally explained why she did not name Tori Lanes originally.
	Her friend was the one who named Tori that night, though.
	We're talking about why did she name him a month later?
	This is why you got to listen more and read more, my brother.
	Oh my God.
	So I can tell you, because it's clear.
	I'll make a bet with you.
	You won't make it because you're not that informed.
	You just keep saying the obvious, but she was shot, brother.
	We know this.
	You're going to say that for the 15,000th time.
	We know.
	Your inferences are incorrect.
	You're making like you're stretching.
	Bro, you're stretching harder than the fucking gymnastics team.
	That's why it's ridiculous to me.
	Hold on.
	I'm going back to you.
	I keep trying to ground you with like, I keep trying to ground you with like actual facts.
	Back to your point.
	You said, if she got shot by Kelsey, why wouldn't she just say it?
	I'm bringing you step by step why she said Tori and when she did.
	She did not say Tori Lanes is what is it?
	Give me the steps again.
	So you're not listening.
	I am, but it makes no fucking sense.
	I have to hear it a million times.
	Go on.
	I responded to it.
	I responded to it and you said that's not what I meant.
	So go on.
	Please clarify.
	She believed that Tori and his influence was playing games and making her look a certain way.
	Keep in mind, that would not be the same for Kelsey, right?
	That's why she was incentivized to name Tori when she did.
	She put out and here's why.
	Okay.
	Are you ready?
	Here's why.
	She says, lie one more time.
	And I'm gonna tell you it.
	Here's why that makes no sense because Tori Lanes is like playing games with her or whatever.
	She could just easily turn around and be like, Kelsey shot me because there's only two people involved in the process.
	If she had come out and said, Kelsey shot me, Tori Lanes would no longer, by your own logic, play games with her.
	What is Tori going to say?
	Turn around and be like, actually, no, it was me who shot Megan.
	Fuck no.
	That would have ended the conversation because if Kelsey had shot her, she would have just fucking said that.
	But Tori shot her.
	And that's why she said, Tori Lane shot me.
	This is an insane thing.
	It's such a major stretch that it literally could not filter through my brain.
	But you are literally using like a mental block or you're doing mental gymnastics not to understand what you hear what I'm saying.
	Hear what I'm saying.
	You initially said, I'm only going off what you said.
	Why wouldn't she name Kelsey?
	Well, actually, she wasn't trying to name anyone.
	She wasn't trying to name anyone.
	Okay.
	Even if you go back to a Gail King interview, which you confused, but okay, but like you understand what was Tori Lane's lying about.
	Hold on.
	What was Tori Lane's lying about at the time?
	Wait, hold on.
	You won't even let me finish.
	Not only did she reference it in her Gail King interview, she referenced it even when she got on live.
	She said, I wouldn't have even said nothing.
	I was going to let it go.
	Okay.
	So again, when you said, why wouldn't she name Kelsey?
	It seems like she was never going to name Kelsey, even if it was Kelsey.
	Okay.
	What?
	No, you can't make that.
	You literally just leaped into that.
	Okay.
	If Kelsey shot her, the most logical thing for her to say is Kelsey fucking shot me.
	Tori Lanez is just lying for some weird reason.
	I don't know why.
	And what is Tori Lane's going to do in that situation?
	Be like, no, actually, Kelsey didn't shoot her.
	Megan shot herself.
	Or no, actually, Kelsey didn't shoot her.
	I shot her.
	No, that would have fucking destroyed any argument that anyone could have ever had.
	The reason why she came out and said Tori Lane shot me is because fucking Tori Lane shot her.
	That's it.
	And this is a wild, these are wild leaps to make.
	I'm serious.
	Like these are wild leaps to make.
	Like it's, it's, I'm trying as best as I possibly can to try to like comprehend where you're coming from with this.
	But like there's so much motivated reasoning playing a role in your assertions here that like it's hard to, it's hard to like, you know, get in there.
	It's hard to like a little bit.
	Yeah, because you think women can't lie.
	That's the problem.
	That's why you can't understand.
	Women, of course, lie.
	Women lie.
	Everyone lies.
	Human beings are liars.
	This is a fucking bullshit straw man that everyone's like, oh, you're an SJW.
	Women can't lie.
	Of course women can lie.
	What the fuck do you mean?
	Okay.
	And Meg has lied plenty of times.
	And I'm saying that the whole case was based on her testimony.
	You're saying, I believe her, but she's lied several times.
	Bro, she got shot, though.
	You're like, okay, that's clear.
	She doesn't know who shot her.
	But she relates to tax evasion.
	She doesn't know who shot her.
	She really doesn't.
	She claims it's Tori.
	She does know who shot her.
	And every single counter that you brought up about like, why she didn't name Kelsey is ridiculous.
	It falls flat on its fucking feet.
	She lied in her testimony several times.
	She did not admit that they got into a physical altercation, which again is very important to the story, right?
	She did not admit that her testimony is important in the story.
	You think it was self-defense?
	You think like Tori Lanez was shot her because like it was self-defense?
	Because if she doesn't admit that her and Kelsey got into a physical altercation right before the shots were fired, guess what it does?
	It paints Tori as a probable shooter.
	And she admitted that from her testimony.
	You're still admitting that from her testimony.
	She's making the argument that like she somehow has reason to defend Kelsey, even though Kelsey fucking shot her, which is insane.
	Okay.
	Bro.
	If someone shoots you, if someone shoots you, okay?
	If someone shoots you, I, you know, in that situation, I probably fucking tell the cops.
	Okay.
	I can call me snitch.
	There are many instances where I am a victim of shit and I don't fucking, I do not collaborate with the police.
	Okay.
	This is one of those instances where I'd be like, okay, well, I got shot by this motherfucker.
	Bro, I'm trying to tell you that Megan's not a credible witness.
	She was drunk and she said this.
	Now, granted, okay, like I know you're going to say the same dumb three things that we're like, we're kind of agreeing with, but just listen to my train of thought.
	Just think you're a juror for one second.
	You're trying to make shit make sense.
	I think there's a reason why both Kelsey and Meg both conveniently forgot when they may have fought each other, even though an eyewitness said they were fighting for several minutes.
	They both do not, they both misremembered that exact part.
	Okay.
	Now, granted, I think in the defense side, that part is very important if you're trying to cast doubt, right?
	If it seems like a woman's just walking away and you shoot her, you seem very malicious and it just seems like there's it's open and shut.
	But if there was a fight that was happening for minutes, that would this okay that makes sense, but here's what doesn't make sense, okay?
	For this to work, Megan the Stallion would have to hate Tori Lanes more than the fucking person that she fought who shot her.
	Okay, and that is insane.
	So let me add some points here.
	That's my point.
	Okay, I got you.
	I got you.
	You cannot connect those two dots.
	I got you.
	Like, you're literally saying, like, she hates men so much that she wanted to blame a man or something.
	So there's a video, right?
	After the incident happened, the police showed up.
	You can hear Kelsey saying clearly, Megan, you're okay.
	Megan, you're okay.
	So they were still friends at our point.
	So even though they fought, they were not like enemies.
	So what's the best option here?
	You know what?
	Ask girls, let's talk.
	You know what?
	Tori's the one that's being left out here.
	We're still friends.
	Let's put on Tori.
	Pretty much, bro.
	That's it.
	They're friends still at that point.
	So it's like, bro, your argument, I get it, but they're still friends at that point.
	Okay.
	I mean, I got nothing.
	You owned me, man.
	I got nothing on that.
	Here's the thing.
	I think Tori has a very strong case for an appeal here.
	Tori has a very strong case for an appeal.
	And we'll see what happens.
	Okay, well, good luck.
	Good luck to him.
	Look, I don't want to see.
	Look, I'm not too fond of the criminal justice system in general.
	I do think that he did it.
	I do think that he deserves to go to prison for at least an extended period of time.
	He definitely, I think he fucked up.
	If I'm going to be as charitable as possible, ultimately, though, Megan Dee Stallion did get shot.
	This team fucked up raising reasonable doubt.
	Just talk me.
	No, I don't think so.
	I think like in order for there to be a little bit more clarity, a little bit more clarity in that circumstance, it would literally have to be, it would literally have to just straight up fucking beat video evidence like at that point.
	That's it.
	Okay.
	By the way, I was being sarcastic.
	I don't know if that dude recognized that or not, but you know, but it's fine.
	I love you guys.
	Thank you so much for this.
	Okay.
	Hey, listen, listen, number one, I do say I accept the verdict.
	I thought there was a decent, a pretty decent job done with raising, you know, reasonable doubt.
	Clearly, not to the jury.
	And it is what it is.
	You know what I mean?
	Well, Lasson, you can for your content.
	You got your content now.
	Hope you're happy.
	And your trolling was hilarious, by the way.
	So thank you for trolling.
	Bro, okay, listen.
	Listen, you're the one who asked to be on this call.
	Okay.
	Like, I mean, I'm fine with having a conversation with you, debating you, or whatever you want.
	But like, it's not like I was like, oh, please bring the fresh and fit boys in here.
	Especially which one is fresh and which one's fit?
	I've been talking with academics about this for the better part of a week.
	We've been covering this case.
	So nice try on that one.
	Yeah, no, no, no.
	I know.
	I know.
	I just, I really wanted the fucking content from you guys.
	I was like, please, DJ, please, DJ, Ock, please bring him.
	No, that's not what happened.
	You wanted to come on, which is fine.
	We weren't going to come on act regardless.
	We didn't care if you're on it.
	He looked like he was doing a good job.
	It's fine.
	It's cool.
	I'm going to have a little bit of fun.
	Like, I'm going to troll a little bit.
	Come on.
	No, I mean, you troll when you're taking L's on arguments.
	You take ad hominem attacks.
	You're supposed to be a master debater.
	You couldn't keep it factual.
	You were emotional.
	I suck at debates.
	I don't know where that came from.
	No, you really do.
	You're very emotional.
	I don't like debates.
	You're not very good at debates.
	Everybody keeps saying that I am, but I'm not.
	I don't think you're very emotional.
	Unless it's like Andrew Tate.
	He's just very bad at debates.
	Do you think Charlie Kirk got you or not?
	No, no, absolutely not.
	And your argument about women being better drivers was also comical as well.
	Oh, here we okay.
	Look, use insurance, right?
	Sure.
	You know, I can't spend six hours talking to you guys.
	All right.
	I got some other stuff that I need to cover, bro.
	Yes, you are very busy.
	You got to be ducking it.
	Facts.
	What did you say, Ock?
	You kind of been kind of been ducking.
	Every time I mentioned Mario, you were like, oh, it's because the reason why I do debates when I end up doing them, I guess, is often because I think someone has really damaging ideas and they're able to spread those damaging ideas to a very large audience, right?
	And it's more so, it's not even like to stop the spread of said ideas, right?
	It's not like I'm calling for deplatforming or anything, but it's more so to just like address them adequately so people have a better understanding of like what the other side's perspective is, right?
	And so the reason why I will like debate someone like Andrew Tay is because like, I mean, he's all over the place.
	People will turn around and say, oh, that's clout sharking or whatever the fuck.
	And to them, I say, well, you know, that is what matters in this circumstance.
	I want to temper someone's influence and at least show that there's a different perspective on a large enough platform.
	Okay, then why is it that when Andrew challenged you and Ethan clients address that?
	Wait, hold on, hold on.
	What was the time when they did it?
	Me and Andrew, me and Andrew literally said we would debate you two.
	You and Ethan, gladfully on intersexual dynamics, and you guys ducked and said, no, we're not going to do that.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	And the other thing, too, Asana said, you want to use this whole thing about why you're saying that.
	Are you serious?
	But as you can tell, I'm perfectly willing and able to hold a conversation with you.
	I don't know.
	I don't know what happened with.
	I don't know what happened with the Ethan thing, but I mean, I was always very much down to have a conversation.
	And keep in mind, also, Asana, you're the one that talks about us first, bro.
	We never mentioned you, not one time.
	It was you making a bunch of hit pieces on us, dude.
	Yeah.
	So, well, when I first started, I mean, I don't know if you're talking about like me and Ethan together, but like when I first saw you guys, you guys were popping.
	I would have definitely debated you back then.
	I'm saying now, not so much.
	So I was like, we're more popping than you are, bro.
	What are you talking about?
	We're more popping than you are.
	Okay.
	That's great.
	I'm happy for you guys' success.
	I haven't seen it, but if I do, I will, you know, I'll Twitch.
	We're on YouTube.
	We've been on YouTube two years, bro, and we're almost as many subscribers as you.
	What are you talking about?
	We're definitely popping.
	No, I mean, congratulations to you guys.
	So, like I said, when you guys have like big enough influence, like a big enough audience, like Andrew Tate did at the time, then that's a cat because I told you us and Andrew would debate y'all, and you guys still ran.
	So, what is this excuse, bro?
	Y'all still ran.
	Because when it comes to intersexual dynamics, okay, my friend, your ideology is flawed.
	I don't want to debate you on why I already told you I was not interested.
	You know what I mean?
	That's like kind of yeah, you make hit pieces on us.
	We've never once talked shit about you until you started talking shit about us.
	You came at us first, big fellow.
	So, you want to start it?
	I'll finish it.
	Because you because you had a lot of fucking videos that were popping at the time.
	A lot of people were spreading it and going, oh my God, what is this Fresh and Fit guys doing?
	It doesn't happen anymore.
	That's part of the reason.
	You know what I mean?
	Okay.
	That's literally the main reason.
	You're not really here to, you know, argue topics or ideas.
	You're here to just change the cloud.
	I don't think it's like damaging enough.
	Like, I don't think you're doing this course that I'm like, there are plenty of people who are much better debaters than myself.
	I would say too.
	I showed the DMs.
	Like, I'm sure you had DMs about us in H3.
	You know, do that.
	I showed the DMs between us and H3.
	Y'all ran, bro.
	Y'all ran.
	And Andrew was the most popping guy.
	I'm not time.
	I don't know why you keep saying us in H3.
	I've never, I don't think I've ever gotten a DM from you.
	Okay.
	All right, man.
	I'm pretty sure we've definitely communicated that we could have this discussion.
	I mean, I mean, I'm here right now.
	We can tell.
	Like I said, I'm down.
	Whatever.
	Get your cloud up.
	If there's like enough damage, you're not as popping as you think you are.
	Have a conversation with you guys directly.
	How about that?
	I can't a compliment, though.
	You are not as popping as you think you are.
	You are delusional if you think so, bro.
	We've been on YouTube two years.
	No, I'm not on here for how long.
	That's what you're saying.
	I don't think I'm a competent debater anyway.
	There's better debaters than me out there.
	You're not just a cloud farmer because I've seen you like, you know, talk about situations and ideas that are from very small creators.
	Yeah, because it's not about clout.
	It's about the damage being done.
	No, it's about fear.
	That's what it's about.
	It's about fear.
	You are scared right now because you understand that when it comes to intersexual dynamics, you are incompetent.
	Just like talking about this trial, you are incompetent.
	You don't know all the details, yet you're still speaking.
	The difference between me and you is I don't speak on something unless I know it.
	That's the difference between me and you.
	It's pretty crazy.
	It's pretty crazy because you were very confidently talking about the Fifth Amendment, which you definitely did not understand.
	So it seems to me like you are talking about things you don't know anything about.
	You cannot assort women.
	I feel like he has no idea.
	Like, if I were to ask, if I wanted to learn about how women are, I think you guys are the last people I would go to to get advice.
	Really?
	Really?
	It's funny.
	You need to lose dude.
	Okay.
	Anyway, look, look, there are bigger, there are bigger and more successful misogynists that I'm willing to debate.
	It's all the same shit anyway.
	But when you guys eat the cloud, your arguments are weak, bro.
	You literally said women are better drivers because they have cheaper insurance rates to Andrew, which is a ridiculous argument.
	Ridiculous.
	We'll do this at a later date.
	All right, man.
	Just take the L and run.
	Just take that run.
	We are more relevant than you are.
	We are way more relevant than you are.
	Things I got to talk about.
	I gave you guys like six hours, man.
	All right, dude.
	It's fine.
	You can run, but we are way more relevant than you are.
	And you talked about us.
	I believe you.
	I believe you.
	And you talked about us first.
	We never talked about you.
	All right.
	You started it.
	I'll be happy to finish it.
	What are you doing?
	You're like a grown-ass man.
	About to cry on this fucking phone.
	I'm not crying.
	I'm not crying at all.
	Jesus Christ.
	I'm keeping it factual.
	Holy shit.
	You like lock up Muslim people and shit back in the day?
	You should be a little bit more ruthless than this.
	Yeah, you're not.
	I'm keeping it factual.
	You're the one that's emotional.
	I'm keeping it factual, bro.
	Very emotional, bro.
	Yeah, you are keeping it factual.
	I'm holding back tears over here because I don't want to fucking talk to you guys any longer.
	Then they'll get on the stream.
	Get off the stream, dude.
	Get off the stream.
	You don't know about the Fifth Amendment.
	You don't know what you're talking about.
	You're not.
	This is out of your wheelhouse.
	I literally explained the Fifth Amendment.
	You cannot assert the Fifth Amendment unless you reasonably believe that you will be prosecuted for said crime.
	Kelsey does not.
	Get the same world hard.
	The conversation is having over.
	I guess I am sexist for giving you this much time.
	Asana, you did do the same thing to Tate.
	You kind of bulldozed the conversation.
	Hey, listen.
	Let it happen.
	Oh, dude.
	Don't even get me started about Tate.
	Motherfuckers like lying, saying I'm like running from him and shit.
	He was like, oh, I won that debate.
	And he won't debate me again.
	It's like, that's not true.
	I will fucking gladly debate anybody.
	Oh, he was overtaught people.
	What are you talking about?
	For the most of the part.
	And it's funny because, dude, you've run from us many times.
	You had to.
	What is this guy saying?
	Oh, my God, bro.
	Hold on.
	You would debate Andrew Taylor again?
	Yeah, 100%.
	Yeah, I do it.
	Stop the cap, bro.
	On one end, you say you're not a cloud chaser, but you are a cloud chaser.
	Why would I run away from this dude?
	He literally, like, he had to get out of the conversation.
	He's like, these people are not intimidating.
	Okay.
	Well, their ideas are not great.
	And their rhetoric is not great either.
	How are we misogynists?
	Please tell me that.
	How are we misogynists?
	Tell me how we're misogynists.
	Boys, boys, boys, boys.
	I have to pee.
	Okay.
	This is this is very real.
	I have, I've held it in for far too long.
	Go sit down and pee like you normally do.
	Go sit down and pee like you normally.
	I don't have the peanut gallery like the Fed and the other dude had.
	Go sit down and pee.
	You know what I mean?
	Man, I don't know why you're still here then.
	Go sit down and pee.
	Put a blanket down too, buddy.
	Like, I find it amazing.
	You're trying to see an adult.
	Come on, I find it amazing how you're not talking shit.
	You've been talking shit.
	For a year.
	Is that what you're going to say?
	Dude, I'm not even going to say that.
	I'm just saying you've been talking shit for over a year.
	I'm here right here, right now.
	You're running.
	Go sit down and pee, bro.
	Go.
	Go sit down and pee.
	Or we can have a discussion either.
	Or, but you've been talking shit for a year.
	I'm here now.
	I'm here now.
	You've been talking shit for a year.
	You gotta, you have to, you have to have you've been talking shit for a year.
	You talk for a living.
	You talk on a podcast for a living.
	I really, I feel bad.
	I feel like it's, I'm getting like secondhand embarrassment from a person who talks for a living, only being able to retaliate with like literal 12-year-old insults.
	Like you're like a playground bully.
	You're like, oh, you sit down and pee.
	Come on.
	You can be a little bit more creative.
	Not your co-host.
	I mean, he's gone.
	I don't think he's got anything in him, but you at least could be a little bit more creative.
	You know what I mean?
	My point is this, dude.
	You've been talking shit about us for over a year.
	I'm here right here right now.
	You made a nonsensical argument with Andrew as far as insurance rates are what make female drivers better, which is a ridiculous argument to make in the first place.
	It doesn't make sense.
	You call us massages, et cetera.
	I'm here.
	We can have this discussion, but you want to say, I got to go pee.
	Then fine.
	Go sit down and pee.
	Go leave the stream and it's fine.
	It's no big deal.
	Us and I could talk about the case, but you've been wrong on a multitude of things on this discussion.
	Listen, we'll bring this back up in a later date when I'm running out of content or something because it is entertaining.
	You guys are very entertaining.
	That's cool, man.
	But again, like I said before, you make a bunch of people.
	You're still trying to talk to me.
	It is.
	It is very much.
	I don't know why you're still here.
	I know you might get leave, but I really gotta go.
	I'm gonna say for annoyance, you guys.
	It is kind of fair that if you call them massage, that's like a heavy, like fucking.
	Stop.
	I know what you're doing.
	I know what you're doing.
	Stop trying to pull me back.
	Stand on what you said.
	If you're going to talk shit, like I said before, we're here now.
	You started it.
	I will be glad to finish it.
	But you want to run and piss?
	Go ahead.
	He can't do it.
	It's fine.
	He can't do it.
	It's fine.
	Go ahead and piss.
	But again, unlike you, I talk about topics I know.
	When it comes to court, trials, criminal investigations.
	Girls, don't go out like that, bro.
	Oh, Jesus Christ.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I got to go.
	Thank you guys.
	We'll do this.
	We'll do this at a later time.
	You're running.
	You know what?
	It doesn't matter.
	It doesn't matter.
	I will have a conversation with you guys again.
	Okay.
	I promise.
	I've said it on.
	Look, clip it.
	Clip it.
	Okay.
	I've said it in front of thousands of people.
	Okay.
	Will it be holding against me if I don't talk to you again?
	Okay.
	I promise.
	All this time that you were saying that trickability.
	We could have had a discussion already.
	Leave me a moment where I don't have enough content and it's kind of boring.
	It's getting out.
	You could have left.
	We could have had a discussion by now.
	Peter Peters, big boy.
	Keep talking about, oh, I got a p, but you're still here, bro.
	You can leave.
	You're more than welcome to leave at any time.
	I clipped it.
	Okay.
	In good faith.
	I'm just letting you know that, you know, I will have this conversation.
	I ain't gonna lie.
	I would let him talk to me like that, bro.
	I'm gonna die.
	I might not have missed the 35-year-old's hairline yet, but I am an adult.
	Let's try as well back, though.
	Let's try.
	I'm just saying, we shouldn't take this type of conversation, bro.
	I'm just saying, bro.
	You're running.
	He's running.
	Turn it into Goku instant transmission, which is fine.
	It's fine.
	But if I talk shit about someone for a year and then they're like, Here, let's have that discussion.
	You sound crazy.
	That's all it is.
	I definitely like Hassan's content.
	You know, even though sometimes he's talking shit about me too, but like, you know, I kind of just wear in good faith.
	I definitely think he is conducting you guys.
	And I don't know why, because I think the whole thing about clout is BS.
	Because I'm telling you, I've watched his content a bunch of times and I've seen him really get into it, kind of debate ideas and ideology that a lot of people would definitely less a clout had.
	You know what I mean?
	So it's like, you know, you're picking and choosing now.
	And I mean, yeah, the thing, here's the thing.
	If he wants to use a clout route, again, I literally have the DMs I showed them.
	I told them, yo, we'll debate H3 in person in California.
	Me and Andrew will go.
	And this one, Andrew was the most Googled man on earth.
	I was on the phone talking with Andrew on WhatsApp while we're having that discussion and they ran.
	I showed the DMs to H3.
	So Hassan could sit here and say all these things, blah, blah, blah.
	But then when confronted, he does, he's out of his element.
	He knows it's going to be an L. So it's fine.
	And also, here's a big difference, right?
	He Google stuff from the internet.
	He doesn't have experience.
	We have experience in the field.
	He does not.
	So him debating us will be kind of low because he doesn't understand what we go through.
	And he made a ridiculous argument saying that Kelsey's the fact that Kelsey took the Fifth Amendment can be used by the jury.
	And that is ridiculous.
	I literally just got off texting my lawyer friend.
	It absolutely can be used by the jury to disqualify her as a witness because she took the fifth, which contradicted the prior statement she gave to the police in September.
	But Hassan's saying that, no, she gets that Fifth Amendment privilege and they can't judge her.
	They absolutely can.
	The only person that gets that protection is Torrey Lane because he is the actual accused that's on trial, not Kelsey.
	Kelsey was a prosecutor witness.
	But of course, again, as usual, Hassan talks out of his ass and doesn't necessarily talk with facts.
	But yeah, man, I mean, as far as like this reaction to this trial, now that this guy's gone, yeah, bro, it's, I think Tori definitely needs to file an appeal.
	I think he would have good grounds for one.
	I think there was a strong amount of reasonable doubt in this investigation, and I'm shocked that they actually were able to convict him.
	So I'm wondering how quickly the appeals process is going to work for him.
	Clearly, it's supposed to be, he's going to be sentenced in January, I believe, January 27th.
	He's going to be incarcerated till then.
	I know in a lot of cases, but I'm not sure if it's just criminal.
	I know simply, sometimes you'll have either 30 days or 90 days to appeal.
	Not too sure how long he has to appeal.
	And then when they'll hear the appeal to maybe even grant it or go through a hearing for that.
	So keep it a thousand.
	You cool with this verdict?
	Keep it a thousand.
	I would disagree.
	Like, I wouldn't have voted for this.
	You know what I mean?
	So, like, again, from everything I've seen, I'm like, yo, this kind of seems off.
	Now, I got to accept it because at the end of the day, 12 people fucking made the agreement that that's what it is.
	So, you know, they're saying that Ronnie should pay them off, bro.
	That's what they're saying in the conspiracy world.
	What do you think?
	Now, listen, I wouldn't say that.
	Definitely would not say that.
	Yeah, I wouldn't say that either, but what I would say is that this was a huge miscarriage of justice.
	I'm actually shocked that we had two drunk witnesses, one lying on the stand, another one that, quite frankly, wasn't credible because Meg gave conflicting accounts of the situation on multiple scenarios, whether it was Instagram Live, her interview with Gail Knight, et cetera.
	All of this was completely wild.
	And for them to go ahead and convict them on those charges, I'm shocked, especially when there was a potential that Kelsey was one of the shooters in this situation.
	So, I mean, dude, if this could happen to Torre, bro, oh man, bro, no one is safe, bro.
	Like, this is an L for all men.
	For the CJ system, for the accused.
	Like, bro, this is crazy.
	This is what I would definitely say, though, right?
	You know, I'm hoping, you know, again, I was in court and I wasn't in that jury pool, but I'm hoping that this was something that was just done on strictly the facts and strictly the arguments made in court and not done off anything that has to do with a lot of the woke agenda and kind of the peer pressure and peer pressure that comes from social media for you to basically jump to judgment without even listening to the facts of a case.
	So I'm hoping those things didn't seep into anyone's decision-making process.
	But it's tough, man.
	Because in this age of social media, like it's almost impossible to escape the case on your phone.
	Like, with the so, like, I gave this example yesterday, like, the OJ Simpson case, right?
	A big reason why OJ Simpson was acquitted was because back in the mid-90s, like, there wasn't social media, you had to watch the television if you wanted to get your news, etc.
	So, the jury didn't know half of the information that was being reported by the news because they weren't allowed to watch the news, right?
	But in this situation, where you have a smartphone, you have access to your smartphone, people, there's no way that the jury couldn't have seen all the different types of social media posts concerning this case and everything else that may have happened.
	And also, let's be honest here: Venue is very important.
	They're in Los Angeles, California, which is extremely liberal, extremely left, and extremely social justice warrior.
	People like LaSan are over there.
	So, they're not going to go ahead and be like, oh, well, it's the victim.
	It's the victim is the victim.
	And to me, the thing that was crazy was you got a victim that's drunk.
	You got another witness that was also intoxicated that can't give a concise story that admitted to lying to the police during an interview, and they were still able to convict Tori, despite the fact that DNA wasn't necessarily found.
	The evidence wasn't properly gathered.
	The bullets and the blood wasn't marked properly.
	We have conflicting testimonies.
	It's just all over the place.
	And then you have police officers, right?
	The main detective on this case had a bunch of credibility issues.
	He was under investigation and might get fired.
	So the fact that all of this stuff was going on and it didn't create reasonable doubt for a jury is man.
	I'm shocked.
	I'm really surprised.
	I think Torrey Lane's has a very strong ability to appeal this, though.
	And, you know, I'm really shocked at the thing.
	I'm just shocked at the verdict here.
	If he's convicted fully, is he like done for?
	Like, there's no point.
	They're going to deport him.
	Yeah, 100%.
	I mean, he's a Canadian national, right?
	So this has, this isn't just like being convicted of a crime.
	This is once he does his jail time, right?
	He's going to get sentenced.
	I think January 27th.
	Let's say they sentence him to two years.
	After two years, immigration is going to be their waiting for him at the jail.
	And they're going to take him and put him in removal proceedings and send him up to Canada.
	Damn.
	And he won't be allowed to come back to the United States.
	You got a dog now, man.
	He's a dog dad.
	Yo, Act, congrats, bro.
	You hit like 70, 70k live viewers on Twitch and YouTube altogether.
	That's a W, bro.
	There's a Don DeMarco record.
	I was getting a haircut.
	I was in the gym.
	I was on the toilet listening to this whole like coverage by academics, bro.
	Shout out to you, bro, for keeping it at 1,000.
	So, yeah, yeah, no, no, no.
	Of course, of course.
	I ain't gonna lie, it's the most I've ever streamed in life.
	And just kind of watching this whole thing.
	I'm gonna be honest with you, like, I'm so shocked that it happened like this.
	I don't know, man.
	And real quick, Act, because I have the verbatim language here, which, if LaSan had let me speak, basically, when it comes to the Fifth Amendment, the test is this: whether the witness reasonably believes that the disclosure could be used in a criminal prosecution or that it could lead to other evidence that might be used against him or her, right?
	So, and then there's also jury instruction that the jury isn't supposed to consider pleading the fifth as implying criminal liability or guilt, right?
	However, in this case, that only right applies to Tori because he's the accused.
	As far as Kelsey goes, they can absolutely use it against her to attack her credibility as a witness.
	So, again, Hassan was incorrect saying that she was protected through the Fifth Amendment for not wanting to testify.
	Yes, though she might not be criminally liable, she is liable to have her credibility hurt as a witness.
	And that is the point.
	She was a witness in the investigation, not the target.
	So, since she was a witness, the fact that she took the fifth, the fact that she lied to the police, this can all be used to discredit her as a credible witness.
	This is where Hassan doesn't know what he's talking about.
	By the way, you know what this also reminds me?
	Yeah, this is why California is so dangerous for like you know, anything to do with you know, um, anything to do with a weapon, period.
	You know, I mean, a particular situation, but you know, uh, their penalties and how they write their laws according to these things and how it's amplified when it's a you know, man and woman issue.
	It's it's this, this, this has got to be scary for a bunch of people, you know what I mean.
	And no, I'm not saying oh, it's scary for people who are abusing women.
	Um, again, if if we all seen a lot of data and a lot of in uh you know things that came from court and we said, Oh, we believe that it's gonna go this way, and we're all wrong.
	I mean, we've ran polls, we've had over a hundred thousand people vote, yeah, yeah, well, many 90% believe that it was going to be a not guilty verdict, yeah.
	And the average person can not even get the lawyer that Tori got to fight this case, so the average guy is screwed.
	Yeah, I mean, this is go ahead, go ahead.
	I'm also here sitting to think, you know, I thought even if he did, I thought it was going to give Max like found guilty of one, then not guilty on the other two.
	And I, I, I thought I would be able to say, Oh, you know what?
	Think he messed up here.
	And if he didn't mess up here, he would have like beat everything.
	With this verdict, it's like, where do like it just seems I don't even know where to start to kind of decode what he could have done differently this and third.
	I know some motherfuckers would be like, well, he's gonna, well, you could have started by not shooting her.
	I get it, right?
	Well, here's the thing.
	So, and this is the discussion I was trying to have with Hassan, but he kept cutting me off.
	This investigation, this trial, was a case of feels before reels.
	Because if you go through each of the prosecution's evidence, there's a reasonable expectation or sorry, excuse me, there's a reasonable plausible deniability that Tori might not be culpable.
	And I'll explain what I mean by this.
	So, in the jail call and the text messages to Meg, right?
	He says, I'm sorry, and he apologizes.
	And the prosecution heavily relied upon this.
	However, we know that on that night, Tori was flirting with Kylie Jenner.
	Tori didn't want to leave the house.
	Meg left the house and it came back for him.
	He went ahead and exposed the secret to Kelsey that Kelsey had not known prior that Meg was running around and having sex with a bunch of dudes that Kelsey was involved in a relationship with.
	That led to a fist fight.
	That fist fight led to Meg getting shot.
	So there's a multitude of reasons that Tori could have apologized to Meg.
	It doesn't necessarily mean that I'm apologizing for the exact reason of me pulling the trigger and shooting you.
	There's a bunch of things there.
	Then they want to talk about the DNA.
	Well, we know that the DNA wasn't necessarily conclusive.
	And to take it a step further, both DNA experts testified that if Tori had shot the gun five times, more than likely his DNA would have been able to be found on the weapon conclusively.
	It was not.
	And then the other piece of evidence that they used was, what else, Ak here?
	I'm going to look at my pictures.
	I know we took a thing here.
	What was the other piece of evidence that they had?
	Oh, Sean, the gunshot residue, it was on Tori and it was on Kelsey.
	So that adds two potential shooters.
	And then Sean Kelly, right?
	He testified that he saw Kelsey a woman shoot and he testified that a man shot as well.
	Well, I mean, what man are we talking about?
	Are we talking about Tori?
	Are we talking about the other guy?
	Like, that's just him saying, oh, yeah, I saw Tori shoot, but none of the other witnesses besides Meg can say Tori shot, right?
	And from what they're saying when he shot, was it shooting at Meg?
	Because Sean Kelly also testified that he saw Kelsey shoot the first shot.
	So, and his testimony was kind of all over the place as well.
	But what I'm trying to say is, is that each piece of evidence that the prosecution brought forward had some kind of doubt in it, that there was a plausible deniability that Tori might have not been the one responsible.
	And my thing is, if you're going to bring someone to the trial, it's got to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
	Put it like this: I'm floored because I thought it was going to be a combination of maybe many different things why they were going to possibly vote for any guilty charge against or any guilty verdict against Tori.
	What we now find out is that basically all 12 members of the jury believed Meg the Stallion's story despite it omitting a bunch of details, despite her saying things that everybody else was like, No, that didn't happen.
	They believed her.
	And again, that's scary.
	It was Meg's testimony that got Tori convicted.
	And what scares me is that her testimony, number one, was shoddy at best.
	She was extremely intoxicated.
	She went at, she can't conclusively, what she says isn't proven through the evidence.
	And she omitted a bunch of important factors during it.
	For example, she did not admit that her and Kelsey fought.
	And she lied multiple times.
	And also, also the court as well.
	It's crazy.
	She gave conflicting accounts.
	So my thing is, she should have never been a credible witness to begin with.
	And the fact that the jury actually believed her and convicted this man when there was a ton of reasonable doubt to prove that Kelsey could have also been a shooter is insane to me, man.
	So it is what it is.
	I mean, this is a scary moment for the criminal justice system in general, where a drunk, intoxicated woman can get on the stand and that has lied before, by the way, as well, and given conflicting stories, can go ahead and be the reason that you are convicted of some very serious, egregious crimes.
	And not only is he going to go to prison, but now he's going to get deported as well if he doesn't, if he isn't able to beat this on appeal.
	Yo, Ak, as a yard man, how do you think Tori's father felt when you heard that verdict, bro?
	Oh, he screamed at court.
	Like his whole family was probably, I'm going to be honest with you, I think they probably all went in today to say, hey, we're going to get a verdict maybe today, if not, um, on Tuesday.
	But I believe they were all going in like, yo, hey, get the champagne bottles popping.
	Like, yo, get like, I think they were everybody watching it.
	Granted, they're asking random people that's been at the court throughout this whole process.
	Hey, what do you guys think?
	Everybody's saying, yeah, and I think Tori's getting off.
	Everybody, I don't see no one who says, nah, I think, I think Tori's fucked.
	No one said it.
	Look at Mo, Mo Lawyers for Worker.
	Interviewed a bunch of different people.
	Hey, we think everyone's like, I'm gonna be honest with you, even people who said, Hey, I came into this bias for Meg.
	And I believe, no, Tori's gonna beat this.
	So, I gotta imagine that the shock from all these individuals, including like, you know, everybody from Tori's team and even family.
	Yeah, ridiculous.
	So, going forward now, with this verdict, no, not everyone knows about.
	You think Meg got a staple in the industry still?
	She's going to be popping or no?
	You know what?
	That's so interesting how this is going to play out because here's the thing.
	I feel like her status in the game ain't changed, right?
	So, like, she's been getting awards.
	I know she said she's been going through it personally, but she's been getting awards and really all these accolades.
	There's certain male entertainers, which she has even said in her own testimony, like Drake, like the baby, right?
	People, and obviously, she says blogs, like every blog just hates her, right?
	But she says these people have picked a side, and I'm wondering if she's if how those relationships in the future will go, right?
	Like, I'm wondering, does Drake address this?
	Does Drake say anything about it?
	Does she ever do a song with Drake?
	Does she ever do a show with Drake?
	Um, like, I see Tucsy say something about it, say kind of like it's fucked up.
	He didn't really speak against Meg, but like, is there gonna be a divide?
	I don't know, bro.
	You know, if, if, if, if I'm an artist and I saw what happened to Tori and Meg, nigga, I'm still far away from Meg, bro.
	A thousand with you, bro.
	I'm staying far away from Meg 100%.
	Because she could lie about him, nigga.
	What about me?
	She could say anything.
	Yeah, I mean, it is crazy because it's her.
	And then also, Sean Kelly, from what I understand, I'm talking with someone right now.
	They're telling me that he's the one that also said that he put the gun in Tori's hand.
	He said that Tori definitely had the gun on him, which, you know, that in itself is pretty incriminating.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But when he said that, though, he said he saw his hand in the air shooting wildly in the air.
	Yeah.
	That's why I thought if he was going to get caught with anything, it would have been the discharge of the girl's negligence, right?
	Yeah, I was crazy.
	All three counts.
	I did not expect that.
	And me and you talked about that.
	That if anything, it would be the potentially the discharge or the possession of the firearm, but not the actual, you know what I mean?
	The other shit.
	Hopefully, Gawitt appealed.
	Saw it with a semi-automatic firearm.
	I was shocked.
	But I did say if he gets convicted of that, it's a 3-0.
	If you give him that, you got to give him the gross negligence, right?
	You also got to give him, you're going to just assign possession towards him because the gun was found beneath his feet.
	So you're going to basically say, fuck whose gun it was in the beginning.
	You already say he shot the gun.
	He shot someone.
	Now he has it beneath his feet.
	You give him the last chart.
	So it kind of went how, you know, obviously not the best way for Tori, but if they convicted you of that big, that big one, the rest was just Tori's probably stressed the fuck out tonight.
	Yeah.
	I mean, they put him in cut.
	They remanded him to custody and he's not going to get a bond.
	So he's going to have to wait and sit in jail until January 27th.
	Damn, through the holidays, too.
	Yep.
	Yep, right before Christmas.
	No, all the rappers got to say, bro, that you're a news outlet because, bro, everyone's watching your channel for this update, bro.
	Everybody and their mama.
	So this was, you know, there's moments in time in the history that I remember feeling like everybody was watching me.
	I remember when Drake and Meek were going back and forth, I felt like everybody was watching me.
	I remember when 6ix9ine was on the stand, I felt like everyone was watching me.
	I think I had like 30,000 people watching me read tweets.
	It was kind of like this, except I was just only on Twitch at that time.
	This time, you know, we're on multiple platforms and it was just like, you know, people were waiting two years for this.
	And here's the funny part.
	Yeah.
	What we're not going Get is that most people aren't going to speak what they really feel about this facts, yeah, yeah.
	They can't, yeah, especially now with the verdict though, they're gonna hit you on my phone, like, yo, this is crazy, they're gonna whatever, whatever, and be like, yo, just between me and you, that that they're not gonna say shit, you know what I mean?
	And um, we're, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be honest with you, you're gonna say a lot of females who speak, speak up, as you could expect, but the male rappers who don't who don't speak up is more than likely because they don't necessarily thought this was gonna be how it was gonna be.
	So, you know, they're just not gonna put put themselves on the record that it could be used against them, you know what I mean?
	But I want to hear you on 100 and then Charleston White talk about this.
	What do you think is going to happen?
	Uh, Hack, what do you what do you think is going to happen as far as like her career goes?
	You think she's going to, people are going to just say, well, we're not working with her or is she going to be able to, I mean, I don't think it's going to affect her that poorly because, like I said before, female artists don't necessarily get affected as negatively for cooperating with the police like male artists do.
	But what do you think?
	To me, she's probably going to win some type of bravery or humanitarian award in the next year.
	They're going to create an award for her for outstanding courage through the face of adversity and this, that, and third.
	I believe that she's going to, it's always going to be polarizing with her, though.
	You know, I've personally said whether she won or she lost, because I knew there would never be punitive action, even if she, you know, Tori won the case, right?
	Yeah.
	I do think she needs to, you know, be a little bit more likable to both genders because right now, I feel like, you know, a lot of dudes, whether they accept this verdict or not, they're feeling like, oh, Meg is the type of woman who would be lying on a dude.
	You get what I mean?
	Yeah.
	And I don't think there's going to be nothing that happens to her career.
	She's only going to get bigger.
	I think certain artists are going to stay away from her.
	And I won't say it will be necessarily a blackballing, but you're going to see certain artists rather not.
	Not sure if it's going to be noticeable, though, because there's going to be a new line of artists or a new lineup of artists trying to work with her.
	So it might not even look noticeable.
	Yeah.
	It's very, and that again, Hassan coming in saying, well, well, what do you mean that male artists are more inclined to not work with the police?
	I mean, bro, come on, let's be honest here.
	He don't know the culture.
	He doesn't understand the culture that, you know, if a woman comes forward and, you know, says, hey, he shot me, especially if she's a victim and it's a male perpetrator.
	Well, it's not going to have the same level of issue as if a male artist went ahead and said, yeah, I'm a snitch and cooperate against other dudes.
	It's not the same.
	You can still revitalize your career as a female artist.
	The reason why I didn't argue with him about that particular point of view is that I had him on here before and we were talking about violence in Chicago and due to drill music.
	And he refused to even acknowledge that revenge killings, retaliations, and making songs about dead ops and all this stuff that's fueling it is a very important contributing factor to why the violence continues.
	He literally stopped that they're only killing each other because of poverty.
	And I said, well, while that, he said, it says only poverty.
	I said, well, while that's a contributing factor, you have to understand that there's a bunch of things that might be cultural in nature that's fueling the crime rate.
	He just was like, no, it's just poverty.
	And I'm like, if you don't understand culture, I can't really, I can't really even get to the point of arguing these things with you because you don't understand it.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, that's a nonsensical argument.
	Did you tell him that FBG Duck was a multi-millionaire and still died from gang violence in one of the richest areas in Chicago?
	I told him all this.
	It's incredible.
	He's doing here.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like, I like having him on sometime, but that's why I'm glad you, I'm glad you, you hopped in because after a while, I could just laugh, bro.
	Like, I just got to laugh, bro.
	Yeah.
	I mean, the thing is, is that he was blinded by Meg being a victim, and he refused to acknowledge the fact that just because she's a victim and she got shot does not mean that everything she says is on point, right?
	She's a witness just like anybody else.
	And her witnesses, you know, can be criticized and or deemed to be not credible, especially since she went on multiple platforms, gave multiple reaccountments of the incident, and they were not consistent, which therefore hurts her credibility as a witness.
	And that's how it should be looked at.
	Him saying, oh, well, she was shot.
	She was the victim, et cetera.
	I mean, I get it.
	We're not here to victim blame, but at the same time, the victim's got to be able to be truthful to a degree, especially when we're looking at a man's life and being able to have him put in prison for a serious offense and having them be deported.
	Kelsey, same thing.
	Oh, well, she was going through postpartum depression.
	I don't give a fuck about any of that shit.
	You cannot lie.
	You cannot sit there.
	He's basically saying we got to give women the benefit of the doubt is what he's essentially saying.
	And I'm saying you can't do that.
	Postpartum depression, her being sad, her being a victim.
	Fuck that shit.
	This is why this believe all women mindset that a lot of people like LaSan tried to subscribe to, even though he's saying, no, I don't subscribe to that.
	But by your actions, what you're saying, you are subscribing to it because you're using female excuses such as postpartum depression, her being sad, her being shot, blah, blah, blah.
	Makes their testimony credible.
	No, it does not.
	Men lie, women lie, numbers don't.
	And that's why I'm such a big proponent on, we cannot sit here and say, believe all women.
	It's bullshit.
	Look at Amber Heard.
	If Johnny Depp had never recorded those situations and those instances, he would probably not only be culpable from a liability standpoint for the civil case, he probably also would have went to prison.
	But thank God he recorded those conversations and him attacking.
	And I really wish that someone had recorded this situation too, so we could have seen what the hell really happened.
	Because even if Tori did shoot at her, guess what?
	I guarantee you, Kelsey was involved too.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's why I say I think Hassan is someone who knows how to sidestep really well.
	And you got to look at his audience too, bro.
	You got to look at his audience.
	My bad, my bad, what the fuck this me, bro?
	He was upset.
	That nigga diss me, bro.
	No cap, bro.
	I'm a boom on that nigga, bro.
	No cap when I see that nigga.
	Okay.
	Yeah, no, like, again, if you understand, by the way, I watch fairly a good amount of his content.
	So, like, I understand how he approaches shit.
	And, like, I think it works for his audience.
	He's in a police.
	He's like a, he's like a, like, first of all, the moment I realized he was a socialist, it was a socialist political like streamer who, you know, I mean, like, I feel like there's some hypocriticalness there anyway.
	You know, I mean, this guy lives pretty good, but he's saying that we should be in a socialist society.
	I get it.
	I get it with him.
	I get it.
	Well, no, no, act.
	My thing was, my thing with Hassan was like, like, I fuck with Hassan, but it was just like, on this case, I watched his stream.
	So it was like, I know, like, he was reading blogs.
	And like, listen, this is what really made me like, like, don't add this nigga, bro.
	He was reading Meg the Stallion blogs and he was believing everything Megan Thee Stallion was saying, right?
	And then when Kelsey got on stand and she was testifying under oath, he was like, why should we believe her?
	Why should we believe her?
	And I was like, bro, you're talking about niggas being biased, but you believe Megan Thee Stallion instantly, even though she lied on Gail King, but you don't believe Kelsey when she said, oh, yeah, that testimony I did, I was capping every time we mentioned that, you know what she said?
	Why wouldn't I believe her?
	She got shot.
	And I'm like, all right, so you're one of those.
	Bro, that shit made me like, that made me realize he don't know what the fuck.
	Like, like, I'm not even a disaster.
	Like, Hassan knows what the fuck you're talking about on debates and shit.
	But on this specific case, politics, I'll give him his case.
	He was talking about culture.
	Like, he's a headline reader.
	But he was telling you that feet, like, only like, he was telling you female and male streamers, rappers, condone, like, don't condone stitches.
	It's only the real male rappers, bro.
	Female rappers about popping their pussy rotten dick.
	These niggas write about shooting and killing niggas.
	Of course, their codes are different from a bitch who just rapping about Remy Weave and rotting dick, bro.
	Like, let's be real.
	He was arguing about the details of the case with me, who have covered pretty much every inch of it.
	And also, Myron, who literally has gone through extreme, you know, struggling strife to go get court documents to break down.
	And he's going off headlines.
	And you know what I mean?
	At the end of the day, yeah.
	Another thing you got to remember, too, is that Hassan is a political commentator.
	He appeases more to the liberal side.
	You know, I wouldn't call him a far leftist, but he definitely is a leftist.
	So you also got to know when he makes his arguments, he makes his arguments from a very leftist perspective.
	So what do leftists a lot of the times do?
	They align themselves with victims.
	They align themselves with women.
	They align themselves with social justice warriors.
	That's why he was so strong when I said, well, Meg isn't a credible witness.
	Oh my God, how can you say that?
	She got shot.
	Well, we can absolutely say that because she lied on the record on multiple situations.
	That is a fact.
	That is not my opinion.
	She lied in multiple situations and or she omitted information that was critical to the case.
	For example, I said she did not admit, right, that she had sex with Tori.
	Well, why is that relevant?
	Why does her sexual past matter?
	Well, it doesn't matter because it started the fight, bro.
	But again, Hassan is a political commentator that argues from the left.
	So he's got to go with the feels before the reals.
	Yeah.
	But Myron, Hassan literally said, he said, oh, why does that matter?
	And it was like, bro, Megan lied by saying, bro, she never fought with Kelsey.
	She said she never, it was never an altercation with Kelsey.
	Tori beat Kelsey up.
	The witness literally said he saw Kelsey kicking her hoofs, her true religion horseshoe in the air.
	Also, remember, Meg said, Hey, me and Tori, but she said with Kelsey and Tori, it was just a crush.
	She downplayed it.
	She downplayed it.
	Why?
	Because in her narrative, she didn't have an issue with Kelsey over Tori.
	When Kelsey gets on the stand, Kelsey says, Well, her and Tori was fucking months before her and Meg was fucking.
	Now, if you listen to that, makes sense.
	You both were having sex with Tori.
	If you listen to Oli Meg, only one of y'all were having sex with Tori.
	The other one just seems like a fan who had a crush.
	Yeah, all these lights, bro.
	Tori is falling in me in jail, bro.
	It's crazy, bro.
	Yeah, that's wild, man.
	I mean, I think the takeaway for men from this situation is: number one, don't be in California.
	Number two, you know what I mean?
	Don't be anywhere near a firearm if you don't have some kind of concealed carry license.
	And yo, just don't get drunk around chicks, bro.
	Because I mean, this was all in the scary part is that all the witnesses were drunk in this and they were able to still convict them with a good amount of evidence that showed reasonable doubt.
	Yeah, I'll tell you.
	Wild.
	I bet you what this is one time Tori Tori wish he didn't double in the dark.
	I'll say that.
	Oh man, yeah, bro.
	And I wish someone had recorded this situation.
	If they had recorded this, I mean, fuck, man.
	Even if Tori did let off the shots, at least they would have seen that it wasn't just him.
	It was Kelsey involved as well.
	Because I genuinely think Kelsey was involved in this and shot that gun as well.
	That's why she pleaded a fifth, bro.
	That's what I'm trying to say.
	It's very early for us to think about just kind of mistakes and what other moves could have made in ramifications.
	I'm wondering if Tori's thinking about it now.
	Like, hey, maybe I should have had Jaquan testify and maybe I should have took the stand.
	I thought he had a great case without it, but like, damn, like, I mean, what else could he have done at this point?
	Nigga, Tori is eating an apple and some ham and cheese sandwich right now, nigga.
	Like, he's locked up.
	It's over.
	It's over for right now.
	It's over with.
	So, like, like, it's over with.
	Like, sorry.
	Like, the jury made, but it was seven bitches and one in what, three, four niggas?
	Where was it, Myron?
	Five, four niggas?
	Five, seven, five.
	Yeah, seven.
	Yeah, so it's like when bitches see Meg and the stallion cry, they're gonna eat that shit up, bro.
	They're gonna eat this shit up like a lifetime drama, but they're gonna eat, they're eating that shit up, bro.
	And they're gonna influence the niggas, bro.
	And I said it before that Meg did a good job because her job wasn't to necessarily report the facts.
	Her job was to report the feelings.
	And what she was able to do was to be able to pull at the heartstrings as a victim, as the star witness for the prosecution alongside Kelly, who's supposed to be the other star witness.
	And they believed her, bro.
	That's what she did.
	Was she got on there and she cried and she made it a scene and they believed her.
	And this is scary how someone's testimony that quite frankly isn't a credible witness, and that has been proven through fact because she lied on multiple situations.
	That's not my opinion.
	That's a fact.
	She lied multiple times.
	The fact that an witness that isn't credible that was intoxicated on top of that was able to convict someone is wild.
	Yo, by the way, have you seen the shader on comments?
	They're eating Tori up, bro.
	She's crazy.
	I don't know why he died.
	That's crazy, bro.
	Like, yeah, Shaderoom is run by a bunch of seminars anyway.
	He's in the MA system right now.
	Like, I'm looking at shit right now.
	No bail, court 127, 2023.
	I know in the next few hours and definitely next day or two, I'm going to get a lot of people from the industry who won't share these opinions publicly, but they're going to let me know and they're going to be like, yo, damn, this is, that's crazy, huh?
	But I'm going to be honest with you.
	If, if, you know, we had these conversations about Tori being blackballed, it's effectively safe to say that Tori, you know, number one, he should definitely worry about his freedom and citizenship way before career, but as of any time current, his career is kind of lights out for it now.
	By the way, I wouldn't even be surprised if Meg and her team doesn't try to go at DSPs, even though I think this would be unsuccessful for them to even have his music up.
	You know what they were trying to do to R. Kelly?
	Like, hey, whoa, R. Kelly's music.
	It's rappers that's murdering niggas that are still on DSPs.
	Like, R. Kelly's shit was insane, but like, they like, come on, bro.
	Torrey Lane ain't going that crazy.
	Like, you know what I'm saying?
	It was a bullet frame.
	He shot the bitch in the head.
	You got to realize he's convicted.
	Like, again, you're kind of contextualizing it.
	Whatever, what the headline is always going to read from now.
	Tori Lane's convicted of shooting a popular.
	This is, you know, people loved, obviously, they love Rihanna more, but this is, you know, just when you think about a shot, a weapon.
	Nigga, Chris Brown put them Broly hands on her, bro.
	Like, let's be real, bro.
	Never mind.
	Well, Rihanna.
	He had a Drake feature.
	Rihanna did beat the shit out of him, too, but they're not going to talk about that on the air because it's always, you know what I'm saying?
	We always put women first as the victims, but she beat the hell out of Chris Brown as well.
	But no one's going to ever report that because that's unpopular opinion.
	But nobody's ever going to report that Tori and Megan, via the witness, fought.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, they ain't going to talk about that either.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So like, bro, like, nah, that shit fucked up right now.
	Boom.
	Imagine the average guy, as girls like lying on him, say, yo, he hit me, whatever, whatever.
	He has no defense, bro.
	If Tori can't win this case, bro, we're all doing, bro.
	A thousand percent.
	Bro, yo, Fresh, it's so fucked up, bro.
	That shit is so fucked up, bro.
	If you don't have an on-camera, like, video of the bitch, like, wilding, you are automatically at fault as a nigga, bro.
	Which is fucked up.
	100%.
	Hey, what can I say, bro?
	Actually, interesting.
	I seen Benzito mention it saying, I think Tori Lane spent more than a million dollars on this case.
	Wow.
	Oh, yeah, 100 more.
	Probably more.
	Wow.
	Yeah, 100%.
	I believe it.
	Yeah.
	I've seen Benzito say hundreds of thousands.
	And I'm like, nah, this is a million.
	This is a million dollar offense.
	It's a million dollar defense right here.
	You got to remember this has been going on for two years.
	There's been many motions to like, you know, remand him.
	They have kept him out of jail.
	They, they, they up the bond, this, that, and third.
	Um, there's been a lot of stuff that's going on.
	I think he spent definitely a million on it.
	Um, I'm wondering how this is gonna happen when it comes to like, you know, cash flow for him or an appeal, this, that, and third.
	He's gonna have to be an international artist.
	You know, he's gonna have to do the 6'9 thing and just do abroad and that's it.
	Because, yeah, because I estimate, let's say he doesn't win the appeal and he's got to actually do jail time.
	Since he went to trial, he's probably gonna have to deal with a higher jail sentence.
	It's the California penal system.
	So they'll probably give him somewhere between five to 15 years, somewhere in that range.
	He'll probably get out on good behavior and then immigration is going to be there waiting for him.
	And then they're going to put him in removal proceedings and they're going to report him.
	I don't know about that, bro.
	I don't think he's going to do five years.
	I think he'll probably get like three years.
	Three, two years.
	I'm estimating some of the things.
	He's going to shoot the bitch.
	You know what I'm saying?
	But you got to remember that he went to trial.
	Anytime you go to trial, they're going to hit you with the book a little bit more than if you take a plea deal.
	So I estimate somewhere between five to 15 years is what he'll end up getting.
	He might end up serving three years for good behavior.
	And then, you know, they're going to go ahead and start the deportation.
	I think the sentence for the aggravated assault with the firearm is nine years.
	It was semi-automatic.
	I think that's nine years.
	I think he'll get concurrent for the other charges, which for sure lesbian.
	For sure.
	I think the maximum is 22 or something like that.
	Like 22 years altogether.
	Max.
	I think in California, you might think he's doing 22 and 60% in California.
	I just got to say, man, there's a singing in the Bible that talks about women destroying kingdoms, bro.
	And dude, that man built a massive music career over a period of time, put in the work to be destroyed by a bitch, bro.
	That's crazy.
	And Hassan said that Tori Lanez hasn't been relevant since 2016.
	I was like, bro, this dude ain't.
	That's what I knew Hassan didn't know shit about the culture.
	At that time, Tori Lanez had the number three song in the world with Tori Lane's.
	I mean, with Jack Harlow and what, the baby?
	Yeah.
	Or Lil Wayne.
	It was somebody else on it.
	But at that time, he had the number three song in the world.
	Quarantine Radio was busting.
	You could tell.
	And he had quarantine radio.
	So you could tell Hassan was just dick riding for the bitches to get like tier three subs from bitches who are like, oh my God, so you're such a right and shit like that.
	I'm looking at the sentencing guidelines according to the semi-automatic assault with a semiotic firearm.
	So it's punishable for at least up to nine years in prison.
	And obviously there's some fines and some other shit, but if it says nine years, yeah, nine years, obviously, apparently he wasn't, he wasn't on probation prior and he didn't have like a felony.
	He didn't have a felony record.
	So I got to imagine maybe they give him like six to seven.
	He'll probably be on three to four.
	I doubt it, bro.
	I doubt that shit.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Like, I doubt it, though.
	For a first of felony, bro.
	I mean, modern is the fed nigga, so you know more than me.
	He went to trial.
	I just doubted.
	He went to trial.
	That's why I think he's going to, he's going to have to do some time because he went to trial.
	Anytime you go to trial, bro, they're going to.
	You amplify it, but it's like, bro, it's your first time still.
	I don't know, bro.
	It might be five, though.
	You're right.
	You're right.
	He might get out of here as time served.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You know what I mean?
	And there's California, there's parole, there's good behavior, there's all this shit.
	And then obviously he's got the deportation waiting.
	So he's like, he's going to get deported for real?
	Yeah, bro, 100%.
	Oh, yeah.
	He's out of here, but he's in Barbados.
	He's in Cancun somewhere, bro.
	Wherever he is.
	Yeah, they're going to send him back to Canada after this because I don't even know if he had a green card, but even if he had one, a felony conviction is that's a rap.
	He was probably here on a visa, like an entertainer visa.
	But more than likely, as soon as he does his time out of California, ICE is definitely going to be there.
	We're going to pick him up and put him in deportation proceedings.
	So that means he will never be able to come back to the United States.
	So that means that this is what I would do, right?
	Wow.
	If I got charged like that two years ago, I'm doing whatever I can, which obviously the first thing would be like, I'm getting married, right?
	I'm doing something to try to get my citizenship or at least a green card, some type of permanent resident card that I'm not facing deportation if I get convicted.
	It wouldn't matter.
	It wouldn't matter.
	I'm telling you right now, it doesn't matter because if he had a green, let's say he was married to a chick and he was in the process of naturalizing into a U.S. U.S. citizen and this happened.
	It wouldn't matter.
	His green card will still be, he'd lose it.
	Wow.
	Well, I'll tell you this, bro.
	He'll still lose it.
	The baby ticking all his holes now.
	Yeah.
	And the crazy part is he's going to be excluded.
	He won't be able to enter the United States after this, probably.
	Is it 100% that ICE will go through with deportation proceedings or does it depend?
	Bro, like 90%, I would say 98% chance he's going to get deported after this because he has a felony conviction.
	He's a superstar.
	The feds definitely already probably already lodged their detainer at this point on him, ICE.
	So, and the detainer basically is an agreement between the jail and ICE that they're going to be there to pick him up when he's released.
	Yo, Mario.
	Wait, hold on, hold on.
	Yo, Yo Mario.
	Yo, Mario.
	What's the chances that he succeeds in appeal?
	I think he has a strong appeal case in this situation.
	I genuinely do think that he has a, and that's really the only thing that's left is an appeal because he would have to appeal this bad boy.
	And then once he gets that appeal, if he can overturn this, then that deportation will be null and void.
	Wow.
	Well, hold on, look.
	So could he go into potentially an immigration hold while he's going through an appeal?
	Like, for example, 21 Savage, I know 21 Savage, the case that he has, hasn't been, so the gun case hasn't been even litigated yet.
	So he has, he basically is in this immigration hole type of thing where that's the only reason why he's not deported, right?
	Clearly, there was a verdict given here, but if you file the appeal, let's say that the appeal is like approved or whatever the case is, clearly he's going to be in jail.
	But could you use that to possibly get a hold where if you complete your sentence, they don't immediately ship you out?
	Nah, because he's already, it's already been, so since he's been convicted, like as soon as he serves a sentence, like I guarantee you, Ice already probably lodged a detainer now.
	Wow.
	Like they're probably, or they're going to be in the process of lodging a detainer very soon, like once he gets sentenced.
	So yeah, like, because the difference between 21 Savage and Tori is that Tori got convicted now in a criminal court versus 21 is still waiting for his stuff.
	So immigration kind of has it up in limbo.
	Like, okay, we'll see what happens.
	Once that case is adjudicated, then we can make our call on immigration.
	From what I heard, if he, if 21 loses that case, even on appeal, he would have to wait outside of the United States for it.
	He couldn't wait within.
	So he would have to go back to the UK and wait for the appeal there rather than wait here, which is, you know, that's kind of tough.
	I really don't know Tori's immigration.
	Yeah, because let's say they convicted him, right?
	Let's say 21's case, they convict him and they say, all right, probation.
	It doesn't matter.
	It's a felony conviction.
	They would go and remove him because now they got an official document saying that he's a convicted felon.
	They would take that JNC, boom, and put him into removal proceedings.
	What I get?
	Did they wait too?
	I've been robbing.
	No, you're a citizen.
	Okay, cool.
	Thank God, nigga, bro.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	So I got a question.
	I got a question.
	I don't know if I know this shit.
	I'm on a Hassan shit right now.
	I don't know much, but I'm going to ask you about it.
	Nigga, so you remember the one jury who was like, oh, I know about social media.
	I followed him or something like that.
	And she was like, oh, but I'm going to be fair.
	Is she still in the jury or was she like substituted by somebody else?
	Apparently she was still in it.
	She was still in it.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, you have a case for what?
	Appeal, right?
	I mean, yeah, the defense can absolutely raise an appeal.
	They can raise an appeal and cite a multitude of reasons as to why Tori Lane's didn't get a fair trial.
	Bro, and it's, bro, I ain't gonna lie, bro.
	It's so much, it's so much evidence for a reasonable doubt, bro.
	Yeah.
	It's like you have to get an appeal, bro.
	It's like you have to just appeal that shit.
	Yeah, they're gonna, they're 100%.
	It's like an auto thing.
	Like, they always almost always file an appeal immediately after a verdict is real.
	But let's be real here.
	Who can afford to take a loss with Tori?
	They can't.
	Who can afford to take a loss?
	Like, the system itself, the agenda, if they lose, sorry, if Tori wins his case, then he proves all of them wrong.
	That would look bad on them.
	True.
	You know, LA did anything to try to.
	They tried to get him on bribery.
	Like, they tried to anything.
	I think it's really good.
	Well, it's going to go.
	It's going to go to the Supreme.
	It's uh, you know, the California Supreme Court, and then if it, you know, if it needs to get elevated even more, then it can.
	Um, so I don't think I don't even think an appeal is going to come through before he does at least a few years.
	I think it's going to be some jail time until this appeal is finally filed away and everything.
	Wow, he's going to do some time because it takes a long time, man.
	People are going to just take this into their just mentality that, okay, this is what happened to move on.
	You know, people on to the next thing, they're thinking about YSL.
	Two a year from now, they're not going to be like holding on to hope.
	Like, yo, whoa, we're waiting for the appeal.
	Now, it's going to be like, all right, yo, even if we disagreed with it, like, that shit's over with.
	You know what I mean?
	The same steam and the same, you know, I mean, um, like support that people were kind of giving, hopefully, hoping that he was going to be innocent.
	I don't see them giving a fuck like that again.
	Damn, I think it's the one and done thing.
	That's crazy.
	You know, his ability to make a living.
	Um, but I don't think the public will be invested like this again for anything to do with this particular case, especially an appeal.
	Yeah, appeals are hard to overturn.
	I'm playing on do the ultimate gloat thing, like, you know, I mean, do the encore, like the victory lap.
	I know it's gonna be what about uh Vibes Cartel's uh appeal, Vibes Cartel.
	That's Jamaican law, different vibes cartel is like completely different, though.
	Like, Vibes Cartel is like bigger than Drake in Jamaica.
	So, like, what Drake is in the United States, he's bigger than that because he's almost like a cultural leader that almost has power like a government official.
	You get what I mean?
	So, like, people grow up on him, so people care about him way more than they would care about a Tori Lanes.
	You get what I mean?
	Okay, all right, yo, yo, yo, act, you think they're gonna make a custom jumpsuit for Tori Lane's in there?
	Just see like five stopplay with Tori.
	I'm just saying, bro, he's guilty, bro.
	He's in there right now.
	He in the system, I'm looking it up.
	I can't believe that.
	Yo, I think I think Tori might have been doing like a documentary or something like that, man.
	It's over with for that documentary.
	That documentary got a halt to that shit.
	This is gonna be mad, bro.
	I'm not gonna hold you.
	Yeah, it's it's it's wild.
	I mean, all I took away from this was that if there was this amount of conflicting information, this amount of conflicting testimony, this amount of evidence that showed that there's potentially another shooter.
	Uh, yeah, dude, and it wasn't necessarily just Torrey Lanes by himself.
	The fact that he was still convicted with a real defense team and experts testifying on his behalf, even the state's test uh, uh, uh, expert that testified for the DNA couldn't conclusively say it was Torrey Lane's.
	I mean, yeah, bro, this is uh, this is the L for the criminal justice system in general.
	And uh, the only thing I could take away from this is California is an L. Gun laws in California are an L. And don't be drunk around women and don't do stupid shit.
	And you got to be, you know, you got to be on your P's and Q's, man, because we live in a world where believe all women.
	And yeah, it's just wild shit, man.
	It's just wild.
	It's crazy.
	I told y'all niggas Megan was innocent, bro.
	I told y'all niggas, bro, three, three days ago, bro.
	Get out of here with that, man.
	Like, you know, I'm watching all the comments on even Shaderoom.
	Like, yeah, there's a lot of fans, and obviously, you know, like a lot of women who probably more than the case, they're probably thinking about maybe situations they feel they've been victimized.
	So they're kind of just coming out in the world.
	Yeah, they're talking out the fields versus the reels.
	But like, I'm scrolling through.
	I don't really see many people from the industry who are like, oh, yes, finally got him.
	I'm going to be honest.
	Like, I'm looking at this one with 13,000 comments.
	I don't see a bunch of like industry folks, you know what I mean, who are like celebrating this.
	And if you ask me, it's because I really believe the majority of the industry, the tides were turning and they really were believing Tori, you know?
	What if you see Drake post on his story like, yo, manga was innocent, man?
	I feel so fat, sad for her.
	What are you going to do, Ad?
	Nah, shit.
	How did he do it though?
	Oh, shit.
	Please stop, bro.
	Yeah, I'm looking at, they have 90,000 comments on this one thing.
	And for all the verified people, it's like, it's like the Instagram.
	It's like shader celebrities.
	There's no like rapper, rapper.
	There's no, there's no one.
	I'm not seeing it.
	No.
	I'm sorry.
	I mean, this is just sad, bro.
	Like, we as men took an L. Question, bro.
	Yeah, criminal justice system took a L. Yeah.
	Hey, bro.
	Y'all just got to move smarter with these hoes, bro.
	You know, you just beat it.
	This is a lesson for all the guys out there, bro.
	Big lesson.
	Just pull your phone out, bro.
	I'm sorry, bro.
	Yeah, you got to record all any bullshit that you're on with a woman, bro.
	You got to pull your phone out and record because even in this situation, like Kelsey and Meg were trying to protect each other in the beginning, which is why they didn't necessarily admit that they had fought each other, which is a very important fact that they didn't disclose to the police in the beginning.
	And Ak, you make a point as well.
	You brought a video showing what happened right after the altercation.
	And Kelsey was saying, yo, Meg, you good?
	You good, girl?
	I'm like, bro, they were still friends at that point in time.
	So it's like, it's two games, one, bro.
	But you can tell she beat her ass and was like, damn, I did not mean to shoot your ass.
	Like, damn, but damn.
	But I know you got to be somewhat, but I mean, you were very like objective.
	You weren't like on one side or the other.
	So I get that part as well.
	But I try to place it as objective as I can.
	You know, obviously, you know, I'm a man.
	So like, I know how sometimes people, once they just see, hear about a man and a woman, a lot of people are inclined to believe like the just the word men means abuser.
	You get what I mean?
	Like they have, they have almost vilified having a balls and the dick.
	So it's like, as soon as they hear something between a man and a woman, they just be like, oh, this thing is guilty.
	So again, you know, when I first, like, you know, I reserved judgment at first.
	And then once I saw like a bunch of stuff coming out, I'm like, well, maybe the whole story isn't told.
	And I was just down to give him a chance.
	I'm down, you know, again, you could ask Tori from even when we first even talked about it.
	You know what he says to Ak, I'm going to be honest with you.
	He says, yo, he says, I'm actually surprised.
	Remember, I don't know if y'all remember, me and Tori weren't on the same page for a second.
	People in my stream remembered because it was some shit on Clubhouse, December 3rd.
	But in reality, I just looked at, I looked at him and it wasn't about, oh, that is Tori.
	I was just like, I'm just looking at the facts of what I'm hearing coming out.
	And it looked like it could be more to the story.
	And unfortunately, people, me not jumping to conclusions, people thought I was being paid by Tori.
	People thought that like, yo, you want Tori.
	Like, you know, like, there's just like they make all type of stuff, right?
	Like, they make up all type of things just because you're like, let me see what's going on.
	Then I would report things that were accurate, but it didn't make Meg look the best.
	And then people were like, no, why would you report that?
	And I'm like, wait, are we only in the business of reporting things that make Meg look like the absolute victim?
	And I realized that, you know, Tori was in a fixed fight.
	You know, I call the shots on my own platform.
	There's no rock nature or nobody else that could just program me and tell me how to do it.
	And, you know, me, I'm my own man.
	And if you ask me if I would do anything any different going back, no, like I would have covered it the same way.
	Yes.
	Towards the end of it, after covering like 10 days in court, yeah, I started making up my mind personally on what I think.
	I'm like, you know, I think, listen, I still don't know who did it, but I definitely thought it was going to be the case.
	I thought that's an easy assumption.
	I'm like, yo, this case is bullshit.
	You get what I mean?
	I'm like, this case is bullshit, right?
	And when I see this type of shit, I'm like, wow, this is, you know, a little speechless about it.
	But.
	Well, Ak, you put in the time.
	You're a great journalist, bro.
	You deserve some time for yourself now because you've been covering this day in and day out.
	So, Ack, we need a payday vacation.
	Lil Boom, Myron, myself to Dubai.
	Let's go, bro.
	Yeah, I am.
	Hey, we out.
	We out, bro.
	We ain't Dubai, bro.
	We ain't shitting on a tree.
	I think the situation here.
	By the way, you know, I guarantee Tori's sitting back and thinking if this had happened in Florida, he's free.
	He's super.
	He's super free, nigga.
	There you go.
	He's super.
	Yo, Chris, let's kill the streams on everywhere except for YouTube.
	Guys, come on over to YouTube.
	I'm Fresh and Fit Man.
	Sorry, if you're watching us on one of the other ones.
	Yo, Ak.
	Hey, Boogie posted Free My Bros, but he didn't have anything to do with Tori Lance, bro.
	Yeah, they just had a song together.
	Take shots.
	Nigga posted Free My Bros 20 minutes ago, nigga.
	Oh, he said Free My Bros.
	He put an S on it.
	Nigga, free my bros, nigga, with a black heart.
	He probably told my young thug and he talked about Tory the GOAT Day Star Peterson.
	Nigga, are you talking about it?
	Hey, boogie.

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