UNLOCKED: #628 The Myth of Italian Integration w/Rax King
TODAY: Author and friend Rax King (https://www.raxkingisdead.com/) joins us to discuss “progressive zionists” ongoing rationalization of Israel’s attacks on Palestine and Zionism in general. ALSO: We stand united across racial lines to denounce the anti-italian slander put forward by some despicable elements of the right wing FINALLY: Speaking of Anti-Italian racism, we explore the frothing conservative backlash against Robert DeNiro aka Slobbert Big Zero Sign up at http://patreon.com/miniondeathcult for $5/month and get 2 bonus episodes a week. Follow us on twitch at http://twitch.tv/miniondeathcult) Mob DLA- High Vis
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Thank you so much, Rax, for rejoining the show.
Thanks, guys, for having me.
This is always a great time.
Absolutely.
We were, of course, together last on our trip to New York City, where you helped us dive into based Based rib and or silence rib based dirt.
The world of epic, epic based young Christianity Facebook groups.
Yeah, I did do that, huh?
I think I had blocked all of those words from my memory.
It is hard to remember a lot of what we've covered on the show because so much of it is so wretched that like, why would you want to continue thinking about it?
You know, you did it like you got it out of the way.
Right.
Your brain like kind of has natural defense mechanisms against based Christianity, for just one example.
But yeah, no, we're here to talk about a totally different based religion, and that's Zionism.
No, yeah.
No, just kidding.
But yeah.
So one of the Facebook groups that I'm a member of that I we've been kind of keeping tabs on and just perusing like you know the last few years is a facebook group called progressive zionists um and this is just it's just such a fascinating concept to me um it's and it's it's obviously very relevant you know a lot the the democratic party is like to my to my
you know opinion in my observation is desperately avoiding the conflict that the liberal base itself has with the way biden's been handling israel and the way israel's been prosecuting its war against palestine and gaza um and And so it's just an endlessly fascinating topic for me personally, at least.
And I think it does.
It is important to like the future of the left and the future of, you know, the Democratic Party, you know, and those are obviously two separate things, but it's all those those two things are pretty closely connected in my view.
So I just wanted to share a specific post into the progressive Zionist Facebook group and I'll put it up here for everybody to see.
This is Marie who's, who asks, how do you respond to people who criticize Zionism?
This is Marie asking progressive Zionists.
So, I mean, obviously we here have our, have our criticisms of Zionism and Marie is probably referring to those criticisms when, And she talks about critics of Zionists What what do you think?
Before we get into this, do either of you have an opinion on like what the liberal progressive defense of Zionism supposedly is?
You know, I I mean, I have some some old friends, you know, from like high school and college who are very much on the Zionist tip, like all of our social media.
You know, it's not like these are people I still see, but they tend to post stuff in this same vein.
And what always strikes me about it is that it's it's always vague.
And I think some of the other comments that you're going to highlight for this segment are they're going to prove that like people Always seem to follow this formula of like, well, my friends tell me what their problems are with Zionism.
And then I explain to them what Zionism is.
And they never say in the next sentence, like what they're telling people Zionism is.
And I've never once seen anybody who's complaining these complaints.
Actually say what their proposed defense is.
Like I would be interested to know what the supposed progressive defense of Zionism is beyond just like the Jews deserve it, which I am a Jewish type of person and I don't.
I don't feel real comfortable on the ground of what the Jews deserve after everything that's happened to them.
That's not a good path to go down when you're defending Zionism.
Absolutely.
I think just to put it out there real quick, I think like the only, maybe convincing is the wrong word, but I think maybe like the strongest progressive Zionism argument that I've heard is just like, oh, well, they're more tolerant over there, you know, tolerant of gay rights or tolerant of women's rights.
Yeah.
And I can see how, yeah, as a progressive Zionist, you might cling to that like a lifeline.
In these defenses of Zionism, you rarely see, like you said, Rax, a specific articulation of the political system that is Zionism.
You will see people get into, I guess, You know, the different rights that Palestinians supposedly have and then just not talk about checkpoints that Palestinians have to go through or not talk about, you know, the obvious like annexation of Palestinian homes and stuff that's still going on to this day.
But yeah, let's see.
So Ken, first response here from a progressive Zionist.
Ken says, if they are criticizing Zionism, then they don't know the definition to begin with.
And you're wasting time on the zombies.
What's the definition, Ken?
Yeah, tell us.
The definition is Zionism.
Zionism.
Good.
That's the definition.
That seems to be it.
It does seem to be it.
It's just like, well, no, it's just the right thing.
And like they do that thing where, you know, it's it's a.
Look, look, look at your history.
Look at your history.
This is thousands of years.
This is just what it is.
And it's the right thing.
Don't don't don't look too hard.
Yeah.
Look at these specific moments in history.
Don't look at this huge block of decades.
First of all, if they're criticizing Zionism, then they're too far gone.
That's a great way to win people over.
You're not worth me talking to you if you feel that way.
So this one was interesting.
Wendai says, I asked them what they think it means, and they generally have no clue or think it's racism.
Yes, it is racism.
I've also heard that it's Jews, quote, think we're the chosen people so we can do whatever we want.
So I, you know, I'm not really in a position to, I guess, say one way or the other, but you do hear You know, people using the Jewish claims, the Jewish claim of like being God's chosen people, which, you know, you've as like a Westerner, you hear that in Jewish culture, you hear that it's the source of like a lot of jokes instead of comedy and TV writing and all and just, you know, all of all of this.
And so I think like, I don't know.
There is a strain of religious Zionists who do use that as an argument for their Zionism.
I don't know if you would agree with that statement, Rax.
Yeah, I actually I have a fun little anecdote that's to speak to that point.
My husband and I now live very close to a school for Hasidic Jewish boys, like an elementary school.
And there's been, you know, first of all, I'm not here for, you know, talking shit on the Hasids in general.
I feel like these conversations often end up with and they own all the real estate and the media and like, no, we're not doing that.
It's not what this is about.
But.
The school pocket watch.
That's not that's not what it shows about.
This is not one of those podcasts.
Um, but, uh, this, the people who run this school do so like breaking all kinds of zoning regulations that make it so, you know, the, the neighborhood didn't used to have mice and they're putting this incredibly high volume of trash, like all over the streets.
Now the neighborhood has mice and rats, like stuff like that, where it's very obvious where the problem is coming from.
And some of my neighbors like went to the head of this school and we're like, You know, why?
Why don't you just fix the trash?
Like, what gives you the right to just do whatever you want?
Incredibly, like, citizen app kind of shit, but whatever.
I mean, they were in the right.
And the guy, the guy's response to why they get to do whatever they want is because of the Holocaust.
No.
Did you did you hear that from their mouth?
I was not there.
This was something that happened, I think, some years ago, but that is supposedly what his answer was.
Do you trust the narrator?
Do you trust the narrator?
OK, yeah, that's that's incredible.
You see, like you got it.
That's that's almost you know, you got to almost hand it to him.
Like, no, I actually don't have to pick up my trash because because my grandpa suffered really bad.
I don't even it didn't sound like it was his grandpa specifically.
Like it was just the Jews get to do whatever they want because of the Holocaust, which is I mean.
If I wanted to lean into that, I could have a great life for sure, but I don't want everything I do to be because of the Holocaust.
And I feel like that's sort of what comments like this are getting at, like they're coming at it from the angle of Jews are the chosen people instead.
But I mean, in either case, the answer can't be Because they're the Jews like that.
Surely, you know, the other side of that coin.
I kind of I can kind of relate to that, though, because it was a while ago and I I was at a target.
I needed an air purifier and I and I stole the air purifier and they I was clearly stealing it.
And they said, you say, what gives you the right?
And I said, slavery.
And then they shot me and then they did shoot me.
And and so I don't know.
I didn't have the same outcome, but I empathize with that sentiment.
So I get it.
I do get it.
Uh, Wendai continues, in any event, once I hear them out, I politely tell them what it actually is.
Uh, there's a double space here instead of an explanation as to what it actually is.
What is it?
Wendai?
Wendy?
Wendy?
I don't know.
Wendai?
It looks like Wendai to me.
Uh, then I ask them if they think that the Palestinians have a right to self-determination in their own state.
And when they immediately answer, quote, of course, then I let them know they're a Zionist.
Then I generally never hear a peep from them again.
Yeah, because you're fucking annoying.
They don't want to talk to you anymore.
Yeah.
If you're ending the if you're ending the conversation.
Well, actually, the real Zionists are the Palestinians.
I know.
I know we're not going to get anywhere in this conversation.
Yeah, no, it's funny.
I think what I think what?
OK, again, charitably, I'm going to try steel man this argument.
They're saying that, like all Zionists support a two state solution, which is not the case.
That's not a that is not a function of Zionism.
That is not part of Zionism.
That's a thing added after the fact, after Zionism already happens, after Zionism has been happening for this long.
Um, and plenty of Zionists do not even want a two state solution.
Uh, in fact, I would argue that a lot of Zionists are cheering on the decimation of Gaza right now.
So they never have to even entertain the idea of a two state solution.
Um, but this is, there are you right that, well, if you believe Palestinians have a right to self-determination in their own state, you agree with the two state solution Zionist, right?
That's like the charitable way of interpreting this, but the two state solution that's been offered by Israel or that's been like the framework that quote Israel would accept or whatever.
Uh, I would ask one day, uh, if Zionists think that Palestine should have an army, right?
I would ask if Palestine should have control of their own natural resources and their own, you know, what do you call it?
Imports and exports.
And none of those are involved in any sort of Zionist plan for a, quote, like Palestinian state of self-determination.
The plans that have been suggested or offered would not be recognized as self-determination for any other country.
Yeah, I would say even if you do want to say, like, if you support, I mean, if you believe in Palestinians having a right to self-determination in their own state and you are going to make the case that that makes you a Zionist, I would say the Palestinians who want that and the Zionists who want that, there's like the slimmest little Venn diagram overlap between the actual policies that the one group
wants in a perfect world and the other group wants like you're not going to convince me that being a zionist means on any level wanting what's best for palestinians except maybe in the slimmest paternalistic sense well it's almost it's almost like they're not they're not even saying that saying self-determination is almost like the pull your you know bootstraps type thing at least Listen, if they wanted an army, they should have one.
Why don't they have one?
They could have had one.
If they wanted to control the natural resources, they shouldn't have let us take them over.
You know, and that really is kind of like the explanation.
Like, no, hey, listen, no one, except for they don't realize that no, someone is stopping them from doing that.
And it is, it is Israel.
No, I actually heard Israel bombed every university in Gaza so that more Gazans would be influenced to join their military.
Jesus fucking Christ!
I mean, unironically, that's literally what's happening.
Israel is encouraging them to have a guerrilla army that they can continue to decimate until no one's left, in my opinion.
Yeah, so this guy, okay, this guy gives us all exactly what we want.
Andrew Lachman says, I think this is a broad question that deserves a broad answer.
What do we mean by Zionism?
Are they opposed to the idea that Jews have a right to a homeland?
Parentheses, general Zionism.
There we go.
So this this comment continues.
It's full of another.
It's got another couple ideas in here that are very interesting.
But here we go.
Here is like ostensibly, you know, dummies guide to Zionism.
Jews have a right to a homeland.
Okay, I don't know how, like, sure, that's a charitable way of putting Zionism.
It still just sounds dumb to me.
Oh, sorry.
Well, just real quick, it's just like saying, like, oh, you know, Italians have a right to a home, or like white people.
It's like saying, because Jews are multi-ethnic.
Jews come from all over the world.
You know, of course, like there are specific Uh, Jews that come from specific areas of the world, but it's like, it's like nonsense.
It's like, it's like fake stuff to me.
It's like saying white pride or white.
I'm not conflating Jewish pride with Nazism, but when you put it into material forces, like when you put it into actual like, you know, war war efforts.
No, I don't think your broad category of people you've decided to lay claim to, to quote, deserve a homeland, especially when it's coming from other people, when it's being taken from other people who are already living there.
Yeah, that's actually that's a perfect segue into the thing I almost interrupted you to say.
The Jewish Labour Band, some like 100 some odd years ago, they had an expression, which in Yiddish is Dort vumir voynen.
Dorten is unser heim, which means in English, there, where we live, that is our home.
And I mean, it's obviously diametrically opposed to the idea of Zionism, which is to call all the Jews back to this so-called homeland that they came from, you know, some thousands of years ago.
Like, no, wherever you live, that's your home.
Like that we have made our homes all over the fucking planet.
And just that in itself, like diaspora is is horrible on one level, but also an incredible achievement.
I mean, Jews can thrive fucking anywhere.
And just no progressive Zionist is ever going to convince me that Israel is my homeland.
Like, no, the fuck it is not.
I mean, a couple generations ago, you could have said my homeland was Ukraine or Poland, but it's not now.
My homeland is here.
This is where I have roots.
And that's I guess part of why it's so frustrating to see a bunch of douchebags from, like, New York fly out to Israel and suddenly be, like, rah-rah settler guy.
Like, who the fuck do you think you are?
That's like the wildest part is watching because watching people kind of separate the idea from like, being like, you know, ethnically Jewish, who might actually have some ties to Israel, to just being like, Oh, no, no, this is what I believe now.
So that is, that is my home of origin.
It's like you have no ties to that, right, except for this idea.
Yeah, that's the only that's your only route there is this idea.
And like, it's so bizarre because you couldn't do that with anything else.
You couldn't do that.
Like, I don't even think like Rachel Dolezal is claiming that you're like the Africa's the motherland.
It's just you just can't do it.
So bizarre to watch and like and then watch them, you know, try to like really convince us that that's correct.
Andrew goes on, not all forms of Zionism mean the same thing.
OK, so we're going to get more definitions of Zionism here.
Labor and American Zionism envision a state, a Jewish state with equal rights like Switzerland and Argentina, as opposed to the more nationalist, revisionist and religious Zionism forms.
So this is where we get.
I kind of had this realization because it's not only like gay rights is progressive Zionism or women's rights is progressive Zionism.
Progressive Zionists also see themselves as part of a multicultural state in Israel.
That's, I think, maybe an overlooked idea of supposed progressive Zionism or how Israel is supposedly the most progressive in the region.
You do see a lot of pro-IDF propaganda that tries to point out the women of color that are in the IDF or the Muslim men who are in the IDF.
So I think that is a huge element of what progressive Zionism is, but it still says a Jewish state.
It's hard to say that it's a Jewish state with equal rights when it's still an ethno-state or a religious state.
These ideas to me just are fundamentally incompatible and it was really only in the last Four or five years that I've realized how how backwards so many liberals and progressives are on this issue.
I thought it would be an easy litmus test to side with Palestine over Israel, you know, and even for like cynical reasons, look at who Israel's biggest backers are look at who Israel likes in our American political system You know, these are like the enemies of labor.
These are the enemies of the left.
These are the enemies of Democrats and you know, but it's it's and that's what I wanted to like explore I guess with with this segment a little bit.
So it's nice that he he lays it out here We have a couple like one more response that I wanted to get into Did you have anything more to say about Andrews comment here?
I I think the next response is to his point, right?
I'd like to see what that person's... Yeah, this guy.
Lady.
Yeah, it's a similar expression.
Laurie says, I tell them that Zionism is simply self-determination of the Jewish people in their own indigenous homeland, and that if they single out Jewish people and say it's not acceptable for Jews to have a homeland, then they have a problem.
Again, so it's...
Yeah, that's the comment that I was remembering because the last guy is talking right about the The Jews' so-called right to a homeland, and then this lady is talking about singling out Jewish people and saying Jews specifically don't have a right to a homeland, as if that is the anti-Zionist's main point.
And look, obviously there are people in the world who believe that.
There are people in the world who are always ready to believe the worst about the Jews, but I don't really think that religions and homelands are concepts that, like, need to overlap like this.
I mean, it's as I think Alex was saying, like, you can't really Say, you know, in the one hand, equal rights.
And on the other hand, Jewish state like that.
That makes it very obvious who gets access to the rights first and most.
I don't get why.
I mean, I'm sure some of them are just cynically deploying that argument and they know what's going on.
But there have to be people who really believe in an equal rights in a Jewish ethnostate, as if we haven't seen Something very similar play out in other ethnostates.
Totally.
And it's funny, too, because like I know they know they're not usually talking to people who maybe are as far left as like some of us are.
But like you're you're asking me to accept that part when I'm like, I don't even want borders, period.
I don't want property, period.
And you want me to accept that?
I can't.
I can't fuck with any, what are you saying?
Yeah.
This is a non-starter.
Well, and it's just so, it's so similar because when I hear this phrase, Jewish people deserve a homeland, I'm like, what are you talking about?
Like, what is that?
That doesn't make sense.
You either have a homeland or you don't.
And it's like, if you have a homeland, it's to probably some place in Europe or you know what I mean?
There are like people who are indigenous to that area of the world But you can't just be like, well, historically, people came from this part of the world.
So I feel like a weeb or like, you know, a Norse folklore type tie to a culture that I've never actually lived or experienced or whatever.
There's one thing to like, appreciate that culture in your history or whatever, but to demand that you like, you should legally have access to that land that you pointed to because you said it was your home.
Like, it's like, White people saying, why can't we be proud of our race or whatever?
And it's like, white is, it's made up dude.
Like you can be proud to be an Italian, Irish, like nobody's going to have a problem with that shit.
It's when you make up this mythos about yourself and then try to treat it like it's an actual physical force in the world or whatever is when there's, when there's problems.
And I would just, yeah, I would just say like, It doesn't make sense to me to be like, it's you deserve a homeland.
Like, who's who's going to give it to you?
You know, I don't know what I don't know what you mean.
Like you deserve a place to live.
That's not the same as like pointing to a patch of land on a map and being like, I deserve that one.
Not how anything works.
Like, no, you you don't deserve a place where other people have been making their homes and live and like Struggling to cobble their lives together.
That's not a thing that you inherently deserve.
You deserve to live, period.
You can't make it a matter of human rights that your religion has its own country.
Right.
And I'd be willing to bet that if you were to talk to these people about, like, so so everyone should have a home.
Everyone should have a place to live.
That's not that's again, that's not the same conversation.
Yeah.
You're not going to be into that.
Yeah.
No, certainly not.
Marie responds as the last thing to Lori.
Marie says, I'm still alert because of Marie's the original poster.
Marie's the person who originally asked, you know, how do you guys respond to people who criticize Zionism?
And the reason Marie was asking is because, quote, I am still learning about Zionism.
And one thing I tell people is we have no business telling Jews that they are not entitled to have a piece of their own land.
Most Jews support a form of Zionism and some Jews don't support Zionism at all.
That's between the Jew community.
The Jew community.
Marie, I have some questions about the way we look at the world.
Uh, I just, I love it.
Like, it does seem like people have, uh, let standpoint, like standpoint theory to themselves into a corner where they feel like they can't criticize the state of Israel because they haven't lived, you know, they haven't lived the Jewish experience or whatever.
So it's, so I guess this is another aspect of progressive Zionists is like, well, I'm not going to tell a minority, a discriminated minority how to conduct their war on Gaza.
It does seem to be an aspect of why that why they're progressive is they're using identity politics to do it.
It's just it's like.
It's ass backwards to me because I mean, okay, yeah, anti-Semitism is very real and Jews do experience various forms of persecution, but now they're prosecuting this brutal war on people who just want to live their lives, right?
Like, why aren't those the persecuted minority that you're worried about?
At the very least, why aren't you worrying about both of them equally with your little two-state solution?
Like, why is it that These little like thought experiments always seem to end up in favor of the Zionists.
Oh, you're pro-Palestine?
How about you stay in your lane, bud?
How about you stay in your lane, goyish person.
I have a lived Jewish experience.
I'm sorry.
I'm in the Jew community.
That's like, you know how some people say the word Jew and it just sounds like they're cooking up some kind of fucked up shit.
Yeah.
Don't say Jew community.
She meant a Jew-y community.
Oh, all right.
Yeah.
So I think I think that's a good place to leave off.
You know, hey, it's none of our business what the Jews want to do over there.
No, I'm just kidding.
It is our business.
Jewish people are our brothers and sisters and siblings in general.
And we we support them even in, you know, even in these fucked up time, not even in, but I mean, especially especially in these fucked up times.
But yeah, I think, no, that's a good segue to our next topic here, which, you know, Rax, when I asked you to guest on this episode, I asked you a very important question.
I said, are you Italian?
I'd love to be asked that question, like, as part of a work thing, by the way.
Great way to start a conversation.
And you said, I knew you were Jewish.
You said, no, I'm not Italian.
I'm Jewish.
I'm just Jewish.
And it got me thinking, like, there is, there is kind of like a overlap in what, you know, like, at least from my perspective as an Italian-American between, like, Jewish culture and Italian culture.
You know, we're loud.
We like to argue.
Garlic is a big thing.
Love garlic.
Man, I do love garlic.
I love my mom, right?
That's that's a Jewish thing that you guys love your moms.
Yeah, I love my mom a lot.
So yeah, just so I I appreciate you helping us out in the previous segment.
Now, Tony and I, the Italians on the show, are going to be asking for your help because we need your allyship now more than ever.
They are doing vicious anti-Italian racism on Elon Musk's Twitter.
I saw this in my I don't remember how this got to this like nobody was even quote tweeting this I don't think to make fun of it.
This just was a normal in my normal for you tab on Twitter.
This is by evil political scientist who says wasps were right.
So WASPs were right in their estimation of Italians and the myth of quote Italian integration was an invention meant to convince people to let in waves of even worse immigrants.
At least we got some decent cinema out of it I guess.
Jesus Christ.
This is a real thread that we're that we're about to go through.
And I was just I was curious, you know, I was looking for like a cover photo for this episode and I was curious.
So I typed in Scorsese caricature.
And I got this happy merchant in this picture.
This is I think we have been blind to serious Italian racism that's been just like this doesn't come out of nowhere, folks.
What we're looking at is this is ugly.
This is ugly.
I think this is just like a normal New Yorker cartoon of Martin Scorsese accepting whatever a Golden Globe or an Oscar or whatever.
I don't know.
I don't know what that one on the left is, but it's Oscar there, obviously.
Yeah, vicious stuff.
So I don't know.
I think I felt like we needed to highlight this.
So he, the evil political scientist, when talking about, uh, talking shit about Italian integration, the myth of Italian integration, um, he includes, like, two screenshots and, like, one of them is from a text message conversation maybe he had, I don't know, but the message says, in fact, Italians haven't integrated in any meaningful way at all.
From some distant family I've observed, even after three or four generations, Italian-Americans are a net drain on the country.
The middle class mostly have government jobs, are engaged in some sort of graft, and many are still lower class.
Out of 20 grandchildren of Italian immigrants, maybe one or two are genuine, fully integrated professions.
So does integrated just mean like you're a lawyer or a doctor?
Yeah.
What we're doing here?
I don't know what he they definitely use white.
They use white later in this thread to mean something, to mean like upstanding somehow.
But it's no, it's I don't know what an integrated profession would what's what's an Anglo profession, I guess, like farm.
It would would farmer be an Anglo profession?
I think profession he's using to mean like... Lettered?
Men of letters?
Yeah, quote-unquote educated.
So there's not enough Italian men of letters, I guess, is his point, which is an insane thing to literally type out so that anyone can prove you said it in a court of law later, but whatever.
It's so insane with me sitting here having almost got my bachelor's in philosophy.
To try to try and say we haven't reached the halls of power yet.
You probably would have finished if you weren't so Italian.
You would have you would have finished integrating.
It's so funny, too, because like they're talking about like Italian Americans and what's so American on the end of like any ethnicity?
It kind of becomes a different thing.
And like they're they're like.
An Italian in Italy does not recognize the culture that Italian Americans recognize.
So they've created a whole third thing that's not integration or staying Italian.
I guess that's the same.
I guess it's still not integrating.
Never mind.
My critique is gone.
I don't know.
I guess I'm on their side now.
Bested again.
So it's like it's like Jersey Shore, I guess, is like the state.
Is that the stereotype of like an Italian, like a WAP?
Like, you know, is that is that what they're going for?
Because even then it's like, well, that culture is huge.
That culture like became American culture.
Yeah, right.
So I know Jersey Shore was like pretty influential at its time.
I mean, the Italians were graciously handing down like spray tan and and hairspray, various sprays to the good wasps of this country.
24 hour fitness free gas passes.
Yeah, that's Italian.
People, I think people started doing their laundry more because of because of Jersey Shore.
I think that's a fact.
People definitely started saying smash because of that show.
Yeah, and Stage 5 Clinger, which I still say.
Stage 5 Clinger just makes me think of that poster that they used to sell at Spencer's Gifts that had all the different types of turds on it.
Oh God, I remember!
What sense memory have you unlocked?
One of them was like a clinger and it was a turd that was holding onto your ass hairs.
Yeah, which you shouldn't have at Spencer's Gifts.
Remember you you would like going and buy a card and it had like a fat person on it.
Yeah, yeah.
Happy birthday asshole.
Here's here's a big person.
Um, I love this.
They're engaged in some sort of graft.
We play sports betting.
What are you talking fantasy football?
What the fuck?
And what's wrong with government jobs?
Like, isn't that kind of the kind of job that you're saying they don't have enough of?
Like, which is it?
These are like.
Fascists, but they're not even fascists who believe in a social safety.
You know, they're not even fascists who believe in like infrastructure.
They're probably like and cap liberal, like liberal libertarian types or some some shit like that, who are also racist, of course, because I think, yeah, they would view like a government job as a drain on society.
They're probably one of those people who hates government unions and thinks that, you know, there's too many middle managers and yada, yada, yada.
Yeah.
The next screenshot he included was, I guess this is from Ingalls.
It says Ingalls at the top, the writer, of course.
It's like it may be an interview or something.
I don't know.
I'm just going to read it here.
You found yourself after arriving in, as Alexandra called it, and quote, Italian American political clan, quote, the in-laws are close knit and interfere with everything.
There is constant contact and there is loyalty, of course, to the clan.
Wow, this is crazy.
This is crazy.
They seem to gather all around a table about 5 p.m.
or 6 p.m.
and just ingest food together.
Was Klan their choice to, like, avoid saying, like, gang or, like, mafia?
Was that their choice to, like, make this less threatening or, you know?
No, I think clan does refer to like a war tribe.
I think it's like that racist.
I think it's it's like that.
Like they by clan, he means like a like a Scottish band of ravagers or marauding Italian Americans all working in government jobs.
I was introduced to a kind of full continuous business which is always going on.
Politics is the family business.
You go as a family member to the meetings that go with that politics, to conventions, to inaugurations, to election meetings, to fundraisers.
You meet all the candidates because they all come to ask for support from the mothers-in-law.
There is something old-fashioned about it.
The family comes first.
This is chilling stuff, folks.
There's a code.
You don't attack each other.
What's going on in this guy's family that this is all like completely foreign?
This just sounds like a politically family.
Yeah, very, very funny to be like there's there's a domineering matriarch stands at the head of this family hitting anyone who doesn't conform with a solid piece of bread.
OK, back to evil political scientist and his thread here.
I cannot fault amoral familialism, presently or in the abstract, as a reasonable orientation, but Banfield was right to call his book moral basis of a quote backwards society, or emphasis rather, to let in dozens of such micro societies is to slowly dissolve the western foundations that made us successful.
And here we go!
Yeah, so I like this explanation.
The families were too tight.
The families were too closely knit.
The families got along too well that they posed a threat to the rest of us.
Because you're supposed to hate your mother-in-law.
You're not supposed to like that.
So that does go against Western values.
I don't know if I like that.
I didn't see any mention of even having like like like their wife.
Like, do you have a bitch wife or is it like a loving wife who has family with a dinner, you know, once or twice a week?
Right.
Which one?
Because that's all.
Yeah.
Again, that's going against what we were taught as the American standard.
Right.
Like he's about two tweets away from just saying women be shopping, but longer and worse.
Yeah.
Um, and I love, I love the idea that like there was some sort of rich social network of Anglo-Americans, you know, at, yeah, of course, like in the upper like echelons of, like maybe in these millionaire gated communities, you know, they have like, uh, fundraisers that they throw each other or whatever.
Um, but the idea that there was ever like a, You're talking about the suburbs, because if you go to the city, it's full of ethnic enclaves, like what he's bemoaning right here.
I don't know.
Has America ever had this supposedly homogenous cultural makeup?
Obviously, it's gotten different over time.
Uh, but you're going back to like pioneer days, settler days when everybody was expanding and taking as much land as as possible.
Like, yeah, maybe on one of those fucking pilgrim enclaves, they had a close knit society that would have been disrupted by some rowdy Italians.
But like, I don't know.
It's like society has always been made up of of neighborhoods of like neighbor.
And, you know, I don't think any of these these quote like singular Italian families have any problems getting along with their other Italian family neighbors.
Yeah, this is reminding me of, uh, why are all these homosexuals sucking my cock?
Like, this guy is just, why are all these Italians hanging out in their own neighborhoods with their own families?
Like, what are you doing monitoring Italian people in neighborhoods where they live?
Like, do you not have better things to do with your time?
I also like this whole thing is this is this is, you know, anti-Italian everything.
But this is really a warning.
And this is Italians are a symptom of what's worse is what they're saying.
They're like, you let the Italians in.
You don't even know what's coming next.
Yeah.
And we haven't I don't know if we're going to we're going to get to whatever is coming next is.
But the Italians are just a warning.
They're just a canary in the coal mine.
What is so bad?
What bad is going to come?
Uh, evil political scientist responds to you, Tony.
Uh, Italians upset over this are further evidence that they haven't integrated into the American WASP culture.
Good job.
So, fuck, he got us!
Oh, fuck, I haven't.
Do WASPs not get mad at stuff?
Because I think they get mad at stuff all the fucking time.
Oh, yeah.
They get mad at stuff, but they just, like, beat their wife about it.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
That's the Western way.
Uh, he goes on.
In 30 minutes, I received more gnashing of teeth from this than I have for any other form of racism.
All my posts are racist posts, but this was the worst one.
Unironically, that is what he's saying.
He goes on, Italians are black, confirmed, colon.
Racial generalizations are fine, but not for us.
It must suck to be the blackest white passing group.
Actually, it's sick, bro.
I don't know what to tell you.
I'm sorry.
What does this even mean?
Like, actually?
It means we're too cool.
It means Italians are too cool and he's coping.
He's malding.
I'm sorry.
We don't talk about it, but Italians are the second best dancers.
So it must suck to be the blackest white passing group.
Again, these are totally coherent beliefs.
White passing too?
Are they black or are they, I mean, nevermind.
If I try to think like this guy, I'm going to have a stroke right here.
So nevermind that.
Yeah.
What ethnic groups, like Latin American is, is that what he's like channeling here?
Like, like what are, what are Italians?
If, if not like our broad understanding of white, you know, Europeans.
Yeah.
I do like how the, the, I think he's saying that Italians are black because Italians are mad.
But he's saying like, but you guys also Italians also do racism.
So racial generations are fine, but not for us.
Like, oh, so now you're acting like black people because you're mad that you're doing racism against you.
That's what black people do.
So now you're officially.
So he's not even going like the Sicilian route.
He's not even going the Sicilian route.
I'm calling, I'm calling the Italian black.
He's going the, he's going the, well, they're mad about racism like black people are.
Right.
Well, that's, he's doing all of it.
He's doing all of it, but he's just adding, oh, since you got mad, since you got mad at me being in, being a dumb ass on Twitter, uh, you're actually black too, because black people are always getting mad at me.
Yeah.
Everyone's mad at you, I'm pretty sure, because you just make terrible posts about how everyone's mad at you all the time, like you can't blame them.
Last tweet in this thread, all the Italians upset at this must must open the doors of Italy to infinite North Americans, by the way, or North Africans, by the way.
Not only is there historical precedence, but in two generations, all the Tunisians will be indistinguishable from other Italians, of course.
Are you outside your mind?
What is that?
What?
Why?
You need to let me be racist against you or we're going to do great Italian replacement to you.
Yeah, like we're going to show you exactly how horrific it is to be a white man in America, but but in Italy by letting in some refugees or whatever.
Does he know about black Italians?
Like, is that a square, a circle that he's bothered to square?
I think he just would call that redundant.
Yeah, that's true.
I think he covered that in the last comment.
But yeah, some responses to him, like Michael Zeleny, who has the triple parentheses, the Jewish triple parentheses around his name and is blue checked, says, Have you ever met a northern Italian, let alone visited Italy or understand any Italian beyond Vaffanculo?
Asking on behalf of a Bognese friend.
And then I like that.
Have you ever have you haven't seen the white Italians?
There's Italians that live in the mountains.
You know, I don't like, you know, they have blue eyed Italians, right?
You know that?
Yeah.
That's actually why I'm mixed race is because my grandparents were a northern Italian and a southern Italian.
Miscegenation.
That's true, though.
And an evil political scientist replies.
We've already discussed this at length in the comments.
Has he, has he acknowledged like Northern Italians in the comments?
Yeah, there were other arguments they were getting into about, you know, whether the Swiss Italians counted as white or not.
Pretty funny stuff.
But I do like this.
Well, I just like, you're responding to a fucking scientific racist.
Right.
And you have the triple parentheses around your name.
What are you doing here?
What sense do you think you're going to talk into this guy?
Amazing.
5150 replies, do Jews next.
Just foaming at the mouth for like his favorite sports team to come in and defeat the Jewish sports team.
Can Superman beat up the Jews?
Evil political scientist says everyone's doing the Jews now.
I want to get into dunking on specific African immigrant groups next.
Cool.
Dunking on the Jews is played out.
That's his problem with it.
So over.
And then 5150 replies, um, right.
Okay.
BAP retweeter.
Uh, and then he's, he's shared the meme, the Pokemon meme where it's like a wild Pokemon has appeared, but it's in silhouette.
So you don't know who it is, but it's the happy merchant in silhouette.
And it says, who's behind that post?
So, you know, obviously like an anti-Semitic meme here and BAP retweeter.
Now, I could get this wrong.
Correct me if I'm wrong, folks.
If I'm right, I don't need a ton of extra details.
But BAP, Bronze Age pervert, who is like a fascist whatever personality, he writes a newsletter or something.
Maybe he's got a podcast.
I think he's Jewish.
I think that guy's Jewish, got revealed to be Jewish.
And so, obviously, like half his fan base is like, wait, are these the people you guys have been saying a bad word?
What?
So you just yeah.
OK.
OK.
B.A.P.
retweeter.
I love that.
Like, you know, listen, I know you're doing racism, but you're not wanting to do like the anti-Jewish racism specifically.
So you must be you must be a Jew.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think maybe he's trying to give racists a bad name by tackling the one race that everybody loves, which is Italians.
Yeah, more responses.
Doppelbanger says, even their cinema, so even Italian cinema, just glamorizes Italian-American ways of living that in other races would be considered contemptible.
You ever notice that, how crime is considered contemptible in most societies, but not in the Italian society?
They love it.
Italian-Americans love crime.
Not even Italians, Italian-Americans.
Yeah, I walked into an alley and I... Sorry, I can't even finish it.
I walked down an alley and I saw an Italian guy rubbing two fake Rolex watches together, coveting them.
Evil Political Scientist says, even Scorsese, a great director, took 40 years to make a passably white masterpiece, parenthesis, silence.
If you asked me what was Scorsese's white masterpiece, it would be Wolf of Wall Street.
Absolutely.
Although Jordan Belfort is a Jew.
Oh, there were a few Jews in that movie.
That's true, yeah.
Passably Jewish masterpiece, that one is.
Got it!
Okay, fair enough.
Yeah, no, it is more white to move to Japan and, what, take on their religion.
What is the plot of Silent?
They were Christian missionaries, and they got caught, and Japan turned them into Shinto, or whatever the religion was at that time.
That does sound passably white.
It does, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it would be more white if they, like, willingly adopted Japanese, if they went over to specifically... To do exactly that, yeah.
No, it's... Have you seen Silence, Rex?
No, I've never seen it.
It's too passably white for me.
I have banned it from all the streaming services that I subscribe to.
It sounds fine.
I mean, I don't know what makes it more passably white than his other stuff.
In fact, I don't know.
I would argue that actually it's an anti-white movie because, yeah, it shows two white guys who are convinced they're going to turn Japan Christian, immediately give up and take Japanese wives and acclimate into Japanese society.
That's what he likes about it.
These guys are always trying to sleep with Asian women.
Sorry, I was looking up what what did make what did make it.
And this is the one Scorsese movie where there's no no mention or feature of a gabagool.
And that's what makes.
Got it.
That's what makes it the white movie.
So I get it now.
Yeah.
Goes on many of his movies, while fun, are variations of, quote, I'm too R worded not to fuck up my life, which is like.
Yeah, kind of funny.
I mean, he goes on to say, not even remotely relatable.
I think for him it might be a little bit relatable, though.
I think it's fine to watch movies about guys you don't 100% relate to.
I also think a guy doing a bunch of drugs and getting a little carried away with his exploits is perfectly relatable.
Yeah, absolutely.
I don't know.
The idea that Italian-Americans are the only racial group that commits crimes or glorifies violence or whatever, this is all so absurd.
It's like cartoonish.
Incantare said, they were right.
They were clannish, mobbed up, et cetera.
But the 20th century is over.
And honestly, we can use their backbone.
Their backbone that wasps today don't seem to possess.
Italian-Americans.
White Anglo-Saxon Protestant is what WASP stands for.
Who is that now?
What is that?
People from New England?
I don't even know what the fuck this refers to, man.
What does a WASP refer to anymore?
Are people Protestant anymore?
Do people even identify themselves as this?
WASP is kind of like porn, you know?
Like I couldn't tell you what it is, but I know it when I see it.
Yeah, that's how I feel about it.
Yeah.
I feel like the last time I interacted with a wasp person was like in a Pauly Shore movie from the 90s.
You know, I like thinking like, what wasps do I know?
I did used to go out with a guy whose family like was on the Mayflower.
And but now that I think about it, he was Jewish.
Like it was his dad's family that was on the Mayflower.
So it's what are the wasps, if not Mayflower people?
Um, so then, uh, okay, but yeah, that wasps today don't seem to possess.
So they want, they want, okay, we'll accept the towns.
We're going to make them the foot soldiers.
All right.
We're going to make them the foot soldiers of our fucking fascist regime regime.
Uh, Italian Americans seem almost allergic to the excesses of the left and some are our best cultural warriors.
Uh, I think you're thinking of Armenians.
I think that those dudes who took over that school district because they had a rainbow in a classroom or whatever, maybe that's what he's talking about.
Um, an evil political scientist says, yes, I think this is the right distinction to make.
It's not like you can turn back the clock, so they make fine allies now.
Oh, that's so, so gracious of you to include Italian Americans in your project.
Uh, and Kintare says, I'm a mugwump sympathizer at heart, parentheses, for example.
Uh, could be, this could be, he could mean like a Native American, cause this is like a, uh, like anglicized Native American word.
Uh, Or it could mean like the political orientation of visibly supporting one thing but actually voting another way.
I don't know what the fuck he means by I'm a mugwump sympathizer at heart.
But history marches on.
My evolved take is Euro-derived peoples in the 21st century need to bury the hatchet regarding issues in the prior millennium.
Very evolved take in Kantari.
That's about as evolved as it gets.
Euro derived peoples.
I do love how this this whole thing is like they are just saying, hey, hey, brother, they're they're pretty much white, though.
You know, they're not like, at least they're not like black or the kind of brown we really don't like.
We got it.
We got to just take what we can get.
We got, we can't, we just need soldiers.
The cat's already out of the back.
We already, the damage is done, you know.
But then, yeah, to end this, he quote tweeted, this is actually the tweet that I saw in my feed.
He quote tweeted his original anti-Italian post and says, Italian friends, ex-ante, It was an unwise decision to let you in.
Although now we make fine allies against future mistakes.
Please stop throwing meatballs at me now.
So funny.
Jesus Christ.
I thought you were making a little joke that I realized how stupid it actually was.
No, I love this so much because he's convinced that like the original wave of Italian immigration was a psyop to allow more, quote, quote, worse immigrants in.
And then we watched him argue the same exact trajectory that white America did post Italian immigration, which was we should allow Italians to be white so we can use them to fight against black people.
So what was his point?
You started this being like, why did we ever accept Italians?
And it's like, you're doing it because you're racist, bro, because you're a fucking racist.
That's why you did it.
Because they're not exactly black.
They're not actually black, like I was saying earlier.
That's why we accepted them.
And then he grants them whiteness at the end of this.
You know, it's just, it's phenomenal.
I love watching.
That's good of him.
Yeah.
OK, so last thing I wanted to talk about here, and this is very closely aligned with our current conversation.
Not only are they coming after Italian-Americans in the abstract, they're also coming after some of our bravest leaders.
And of course, I'm talking about Robert De Niro here.
Robert De Niro, who's, of course, been a staunch anti-Trump guy.
He's kind of made a lot of his personality and, dare I say, profession recently just being anti-Trump.
So much so that he spoke at Trump's trial.
When the trial reached a conclusion, Robert De Niro came out and said a few words.
And if you're like, why?
Why would Robert De Niro stage a press conference?
The explanation for his introduction was he's a native New Yorker who knows BS when he sees it and isn't afraid to call it out.
That's not a great reason.
No, no.
So, Robert De Niro is just walking up to the microphone after a three-minute introduction from some other anti-Trump guy.
I mean, this is really... Even these people over here are kind of... It's kind of crazy.
It's really crazy, and this thing, Donald Trump, has created this.
Yes, that is your suburban uncle screaming Robert De Niro is a pedophile in the background of this PBS NewsHour video.
Yeah, they this was Robert Costa, who's like, kind of, he was a conservative reporter.
He had like a lot of access to conservative politicians, but he took a job working for a mainstream news publication.
He's been like on the sort of like anti-Trump, uh, like prestige journalism tip.
Uh, he covered this and he tweeted out, he tweeted out, quote, F you, quote, you're a P dash quote, go home quote De Niro.
We hate you.
That's what De Niro hears as he speaks.
Trump supporters screaming at him from nearby park.
Several Trump aides are looking on as De Niro speaks.
Quote, F Joe Biden.
The Trump crowd yells as De Niro speaks and pauses briefly.
And I love that you're a P and then it's like blocked out.
That definitely means pedo or pedophile.
Like, yeah, originally I would.
Oh, it means he's a pussy or whatever.
No, they said pedo.
That's why context clues are so important.
You know that it was Trump supporters saying it, so you knew that's what it was.
It was for sure, pedo, not pussy.
I feel like if you have an immediately recognizable shorthand for the word pedophile, you are spending way too much time and energy on the concept of pedophiles.
Somebody shared in into the Facebook group a post, like an advertised post from some page called like Concert Junkie, you know, like live music libido or something.
No, I got to get on there.
I love live music a lot.
I'm addicted to it, brother.
And the shirt, wait till you hear the shirt.
The shirt said, you're going to like this as a music fan.
The shirt said, pedo lives will never matter.
Oh, fuck yeah.
Who's going to wear that?
Where can you wear that?
It had like 1.5 thousand likes.
Like a bunch of people, whoa, I'm going to get this.
I'm going to get this for my grandson.
Thank God someone saying this because people keep on saying that pedal lives do matter.
It'll never matter.
Yeah, never.
Not just that they don't.
They never will.
Not on your life, buddy.
Yeah, it is kind of like the equivalent of like stand your ground on a T-shirt.
You know, it's like, stop resisting.
And it's like, I'm just reading your shirt, man.
I don't know.
I don't know what you're talking about.
I didn't say anything about pedal lives.
What?
Anyone who like anyone who like looks at the shirt kind of confused.
He's like, you fucking love pedals, don't you?
Get get get in the wood chipper feet first.
Oh, this shirt offends you.
I'll help you pack.
Go back to pedophile Stan.
Um, but okay, so yeah, dunking on De Niro has been a pastime for the American right for like the last, uh, you know, several years.
Um, and we've never kind of really dived into this topic.
Uh, but I thought, you know, it's, it's reaching ahead with the Trump trial with this, with this De Niro appearance.
Uh, there was video of, yeah, people screaming at him as he goes walking away, you know, screaming, you know, yeah, that he's a pet, that he's a pedophile, that he kills children and shit like that.
You know, obviously crazy QAnon stuff.
But here we go.
Here's here's some of the more coherent arguments against Robert De Niro.
Ruben says De Niro has a legendary career playing profane, racist characters.
Checkmate.
He literally valorized the behavior and worldviews journos pillory Trump and his supporters for. - Does he know what a movie is?
Like a fictional movie?
Oh, I love it.
These people are like working backwards from the dumb guy interpretation that, you know, the fucking I'm like blanking on their fucking the characters names.
You know, but the Robert De Niro character is cool.
Travis Bickle was a was like a normal guy, you know?
Yeah.
And I don't think anyone I think anyone's like would be advocating that any of those characters should be the president of the United States.
I don't know.
I know a few twisted motherfuckers who who, yeah, wouldn't wouldn't mind seeing any of these wild men.
Yeah, I love, I love being, so is it a racist character because it's denigrating Italian Americans?
See, maybe this is how we convince the other guy.
No, those were racist caricatures of Italian immigrants.
We actually don't love crime.
We don't cook really good food.
These are all false stereotypes.
They're perpetuated by the elites like Robert De Niro.
That's the way to his heart.
Yeah, you're right.
That those people IRL don't want him to Hector on holding the beliefs he glamorized dot dot dot is logical!
And dare I say just?
Dare you?
I don't know.
Yeah, so yeah, that's how he was.
He did.
He did anti-Italian racism.
He did.
He did.
Yeah, he did Italian exploitation movies essentially, but not spaghetti Westerns.
Even worse than that.
This is my Let's Go Brandon.
These are just going to be like random posts about De Niro that I saw that I really liked.
In Let's Go Brandon Facebook group, Tim Perkins wrote, Well, the photo of Robert De Niro with the pink hat and ass mouth got me 30 days.
Says it like it was a jail sentence.
Yeah, he's a survivor.
He's a survivor of Facebook jail.
Politically correct prison.
Do we know what this picture is?
No, Facebook won't allow us.
It's too powerful to post.
Facebook won't show it to us, dude.
Let me see if I can find it with a Google search.
Oh, Google's woke now.
Google won't let me do it.
Oh, no.
Let me see.
De Niro, ass mouth, pussy hat.
Oh, that's going to ruin your search recommendations.
Oh, I don't think his search recommendations get any worse.
Oh, yeah.
That's what I look at for this show.
Wow, there's a lot.
I'm looking at a lot of stuff, but none of it is De Niro's ass mouth.
I'm hoping it's one of those cartoons where it's like his face is like a butt and little assholes like his mouth.
I think it's the asshole.
I don't think it could be the ass.
Yeah.
Okay, well, we can't find it, but if anybody knows that, feel free to send it to me or post it in the Facebook group.
Thank you for sharing, Tim.
Sorry that happened to you.
His struggle.
It was an effective post.
I feel like everyone was thinking like, well, we're thinking like, damn, that must've been so good.
I wish I could have seen it.
So good job, Tim.
Good post.
Well, it's funny because like, I think maybe he meant it as a joke.
Like, you know, like, Oh, well, no, like, Oh, it was so epic that fucking Zuckerberg couldn't stand it and had to take it down.
Yeah.
Or whatever.
And it reminds people of the funny joke that you made about De Niro having an ass mouth, you know, so it's like you get a little bump off of that.
But the only response is an angry face.
So somebody's like really mad on your behalf.
And maybe, you know, the conversation's not going to be as fun.
There's going to be a lot of riffing in the in the replies, unfortunately.
I liked this one.
Dwayne Landry says Robert De Niro is now slobbered Big Zero.
Perfect.
Good.
Perfect.
No, no.
This has six hundred and ninety likes and laughs.
One hundred and seventy four comments.
The controversy of slobbered Big Zero.
I had, uh, I came up with one that I forgot to read at the top of the, at the introduction of this segment.
It was knob burp de zero.
Yeah.
It's not as good as Dwayne's.
Well, I think it's, I, I like not knob burp.
It's with a, with a K, like a knob.
Oh, it's his dick.
Knob, and then it's burp.
It's, it's knob and burp all together.
Knob burp de zero.
I want to make like, I want to see the short film where somebody, somebody sees this post and gets like inspired.
Like, you know, I am, I am going to go, I am going to go to the Robert De Niro speech and they go there and they're like, Hey, more like, more like slobbered big zero.
And like people look around, like, yeah, that was a good one, man.
That was a good one.
Fuck.
Yeah.
You did that.
You did that.
This one was funny.
Jim Becker does the little word art thing on Facebook.
In the background is the turd emoji floating around in the background like it's an Apple iPhone commercial.
And the text in the center says, Libtard's been quiet about De Niro.
And this has 526 likes.
And if you were a normal person, what do you think this post would look like to you?
What do you think this would mean?
Would you think that Robert De Niro had been arrested?
Because I might have, or did you think like, did they like raid his, did the FBI raid his house?
What are you, what are you talking about?
Yeah, I, uh, I think that if I'm just like a nice liberal mom who doesn't really pay too much attention to this stuff, this sentence just would be impossible to parse for me.
Been quiet.
In their mind, they've already conquered De Niro.
And liberals, the reason liberals aren't reacting to their owning him is because they're too embarrassed to acknowledge it.
Yeah.
And they used to talk about Robert De Niro all the time.
They're always talking about Robert De Niro, but now they're pretty quiet.
Pretty quiet.
We've been quiet.
Amazing.
This one, this one's just funny.
Someone said Bobby DeZero and they posted photos of him on the set of the Irishman where he had to wear lifts.
And it's I guess he's wearing lifts because he has to be taller than Hoffa, tougher than taller than Al Pacino's Hoffa characters.
So he's wearing like, you know, five inch lifts on his dress shoes while walking next to Al Pacino.
But then they have like shots of him just walking by himself.
And it also looks like he's wearing shoulder pads or something.
It looks so.
Sorry, dude, you lost this one.
You did.
I will be quiet.
Liberals are going to have to be quiet about this one, frankly.
That's true.
Not going to be able to cope.
People are seeing this and they don't realize.
They're like, Robert De Niro's short and he wears these shoes all the time.
What a loser.
That's Hollywood phoniness for you.
That's what pedophile does is wear platform shoes.
Everyone knows that.
They like being even taller than the kid.
It makes the kid look younger.
Pedophiles are creepers because they can hide candy in the soul.
Imagine how much candy he has in these ones.
And then the last one, this is where we're going to go out on is a meme that I love.
It's a baby watching a photo.
De Niro has been photoshopped on the TV in a kitchen and a baby, a toddler's watching this photoshopped De Niro like smile for in front of the Tribeca Film Festival background on this TV.
And he's the baby's reaching into his butt, into his diaper.
And it says, I have something for you, period.
Give me a second.
End quote.
And the baby, yeah, is assumingly going to grab some poopy out of his diaper and throw it in.
Right.
Peace, baby.
This baby's epic.
Baby, you are my hero for doing this.
I'll say that much.
There's a comment that says that.
I am certain there's a comment that says that verbatim.
Imagine like your baby, like, you know, grabs shit out of their pants and throws it on the TV.
And you're like, not that mad because the person on the TV, right?
Oh, yeah.
It's just a show.
You show Rob, you show fucking stinky, stinky to zero.
You show them.
That's right, baby.
You're the best.
Throwing this man to me.
You've ruined my TV.
Why is it like a painting?
Why is it like it looks like a Norman Rockwell painting?
Yeah, it's a weird filter.
Also, this this living room set up is really bizarre.
It's it's like, yeah, you're you're like watching TV on the other side of the bar that separates the dining room from the kitchen.
And the baby is just, yeah, by the dining room table, digging in his own ass.
You're like, you go, baby, you are my hero.
Best baby.
Well, I think that's it for the episode.
How could we possibly end it on a higher note?
I have a piece of Robert De Niro gossip.
Yes, please.
Yeah, please.
This is from a friend of a friend.
Two degrees of separation.
So I'm willing to trust it because it's so good.
I have heard that Robert De Niro can suck his own dick.
Whoa.
Yeah.
I want to believe that.
I want it so badly that I'm going to believe it.
This is why they have to make up stories about Italians.
This is why they have to cut us down is because of what we are truly capable of.
I was going to say we had kind of a rough episode, as you know, as Italians and Italian-Americans, but you know, we're going out on top, baby.
We're going out on top.
Yeah, wow.
So I'm curious, does he have to like fold his legs over his head or can he just bend down and do it?
Well, apparently he's really into like yoga and shit.
And also he's, I mean, let's be honest, pretty little.
And so, you know, you don't have as far to bend when you're a person of smallness and yeah, sucking his own dick.
A person of less.
Yeah, exactly.
A lesser type of person.
And yeah, the story is that this he was like, he picked up this woman, a friend of the friend at a bar or his handler did it for him, apparently.
And she went to his hotel room.
She went to take a shower.
And when she came out of the shower, he was just on the bed sucking his own dick.
Hell yes.
That's awesome.
I love that it wasn't just like, you want to, you want to see a cool trick I can do?
No.
I want to see this cool thing I can do.
It was just like, you go take a shower.
I'll get started.
I'm going to warm up.
You go get cleaned off.
That's great.
Yeah.
I think he's maybe just demonstrating what a generous lover he could be.
Yeah.
You know, you relax.
I got this part myself.
I just mean, I'm like, if you look at look at what I'm doing over here, imagine what I'm going to do to you.
Yeah.
You know, that's great.
Did it.
So did did she do anything with him?
I think they did, you know, sex.
I didn't hear anything more of the story.
I mean, there was more to the story and I was told it, but I tuned out after he was on the bed sucking his own dick.
I heard.
Did she like rub his back while he sucked his dick?
Yeah, what do you do in that scenario?
That's the dream right there.
That's really nice.
I like that a lot.
Just play with my hair while I suck my own dick.
Thank you.
I heard he actually shamed her for not being able to eat her own pussy.
Different, different, internalized misogyny.
Not cool.
Yeah.
Sorry.
I talked to her.
I was saying that's internalized misogyny.
Oh, you just refuse to suck your own clit, I guess.
Society's not going to do it for you, babe.
OK, no, that's that's the end for real.
Thank you so much, Rax, for joining us once again on this show.
Please tell people where they can find your book.
Yeah.
Thank you again for having me.
As always, this was super fun.
Listeners, if you want to buy my book, it's called Tacky Love Letters to the Worst Culture We Have to Offer.
You can get it on bookshop.org if you don't have a bookstore near you.
If you do, I assume you can get it in the bookstore if it's not a suck ass bookstore.
And I'm also working on my second book, which is also an essay collection.
It's going to be called Sloppy.
And it does have a subtitle that I came up with that I'm not remembering right now, but I know the first word.
It's going to be sloppy.
It's okay.
I couldn't remember the word goodfellas earlier.
So we're all right.
Yeah.
Yeah, so that book is going to come out next June and you can't pre-order it yet, but what you're going to do is file this in your head and then remember to pre-order it like six months from now.
That's what you're going to do.
So yes, thank you.
So easy.
Siri, set a reminder for six months to buy Rax's book.
Yeah, it's going to be good.
I should say that I didn't write it bad.
I decided to write it more more good type of book.
Beautiful decision.
You know, there's so many ways you could go with a sequel, and that's just a very courageous way to go as well.
I thought so.
Yeah, thank you.
Eager to get my reminder.
I'm going to get my mind in six months.
It's going to say, like, get get sloppy.
I was feeling pretty ambitious that day.
Just go get some sloppy.
That's crazy.
All right.
Yeah.
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Bye!
bye bye inconsequential
out of sight out my mind watching as you suffocate betrayed by life nothing ever comes to those who Consequential, out of sight and out of my mind.
