Today we watched anti-abortion Catholic horror movie Nefarious, a new film from the blubbering mind of right-wing podcaster and Glenn Beck employee Steve Deace Sean Patrick Flanery stars as the omnipotent demon Nefarious set to be executed if liberal, atheist psychologist Dr. James declares him fit to be condemned. Nefarious takes the Dr. on a rollercoaster of epic Catholic owns, picking apart the smug progressive’s many hypocrisies and foretelling of 3 murders the coastal elite will have committed before the end of their session. Stick around to the end of the episode when a tearful Steve Deace relates his conversation with God about the film's disappointing box office Get 2 weekly bonus episodes at http://patreon.com/miniondeathcult Music: Three 6 Mafia - Where Da Killaz Hang Zao - Ravage Ritual Steve Earle - Ashes to Ashes
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Okay, I'm Alexander Edward.
And I'm Tony Boswell.
And we are Minion Death Cult.
The world is ending.
Priests who don't believe in demons are responsible.
We're documenting.
Just a little belief, Father.
That's all it would have taken to stop everything.
But it changed everything.
Everything the whole time.
Yeah.
But I mean, that's what happens when you get a poser.
We are talking about the amazing movie Nefarious today, written by a right-wing AM radio host turned Glenn Beck acolyte.
Uh, who is even more weepy than Glenn Beck, uh, judging by the one podcast I've listened to from him and more on that later.
Uh, his name is Steve Dease and, uh, here with us to talk about this movie is, uh, my lovely girlfriend, Ani, Who I have, I feel is more than qualified to talk, perhaps one of the world's foremost experts on this movie, just based on the fact that she's one of the few people to have seen it.
Yeah.
How you doing, Anya?
What's up, guys?
Great.
Thanks for having me on.
How many people were in the theater when you went, Tony?
There was one.
There was one.
And I was kind of mad because, like, I saw where, you know, you see where people pick seats before you pick a seat, and so it was only once he'd taken, and so I picked it on the other side in a row two back from him.
That's a good choice.
But then when I got there, he was much closer to where my selected seat was.
And I think that's not where we agreed on.
And you were there first.
He was there first.
He could have picked before I got there.
But then, also, midway through the movie, he comes down to go behind me and gets a little bit closer to me.
But I'm going to think it's just more centered.
I think he was getting more centered.
But the fact that it got closer to me at all was, I think, interesting.
Yeah, that's a violation.
I mean, I think there's like some sort of contractual obligation he has.
It doesn't matter if nobody's sitting.
You had your dollar.
You could have voted with your dollars to sit wherever you wanted, and that's what you chose.
You know, it was wild.
The theater wouldn't let me get... Sometimes I try to get one in from the row.
The theater said, no, you can't do that.
They made you sit on the edge?
Is that what you're saying?
Yeah, one in from the edge, so there would be one empty one.
The feeder said, no, you can't do that.
I'm like, I know I shouldn't do that for you guys, but fuck off.
Like, come on.
Why did you want an empty seat on the row?
On the aisle?
So I'm guaranteed one empty seat next to me?
Okay, alright.
Okay, I respect it.
But I was thinking of any other movie, unlike this movie, where this guy made me nervous because I'm like, this guy's not seeing this movie ironically.
This guy's not seeing this movie to review for his podcast.
There were, I'd say six people in the theater.
There were like three other couples.
Three other couples.
We had to go to a semi-far-flung area of Washington to see it.
I don't know.
Ani knows.
This is also why we've invited Ani onto the episode today.
She's an expert at Washington geography and she can tell us exactly why the movie was only playing in these various disgusting cities.
This'll mean nothing to you if you're not from the Northwest, specifically the Puget Sound region, but for anyone who knows, like, towns in this area, the only theaters that were playing this movie were in Lakewood, Port Orchard, Gig Harbor, Everett, and Monroe.
Those are the only places.
Classic.
Classic Monroe.
Only places we could go.
I'm a little bummed we didn't go to the 11.30 p.m.
showing that was at the Drive-In Theater in Port Orchard, but, you know.
Shout out, though, we did go to a very cute Italian restaurant called Pizza Casa.
Shout out to Joan, who's very, very pleasant.
Thank you.
Thank you for your service, Joan.
What a great name for a place.
I love that.
So the reason we're covering Nefarious today is because I saw a clip of it that was really funny.
I saw a clip of it that was essentially like the Catholic version of the newsroom scene that used to go viral back when people still cared about centrism and debate.
Do you remember the one I'm talking about where it's The guy from Dumb and Dumber, what's his name, who is in the newsroom, the Aaron Sorkin show about the news, he's at some sort of college speaking gig and a girl stands up and she's like, excuse me, why would you say America is the best country in the world?
And he's all, listen, bitch, you idiot.
It's not the best country in the world.
We have a college dropout rate of this.
We have a mortality rate of this.
And we used to be great.
We used to sacrifice, you know, yada, yada.
Yeah, we have the Catholic version of this in a movie that is essentially the second in our series of conversations with the Antichrist or an Antichrist-like figure.
We have of course covered Interview with the Antichrist, I believe an Epoch Times original movie.
Go listen to that episode if you haven't already.
Very similar movie is Nefarious in which a liberal atheist psychologist is asked to diagnose the sanity of a man who is slated to die that day on death row, and if he is declared Sane, competent to be executed, I guess.
That's how they do it.
Maybe a little late for that determination.
I think that should happen maybe during trial, perhaps.
There might be some formality where you have to sign off a waiver, but I don't think I still don't think it warrants this plotline.
Yeah, and so he comes in and has a conversation with the man who then purports to be a demon and gives a series of successive owns against the lib atheist psychologist that's very fun to witness.
Before we get into the plot, did you have any interesting previews before your screening?
I had one!
I had the one.
Did you have the same one?
Yeah.
The Last Patriot.
The Last Patriot?
And I did that thing too where I was like, I realized what was happening.
I'm like, why am I not recording this?
Why?
And I finally got like a clip of just the end where it says The Last Patriot.
Uh, don't worry.
I got you covered, Tony.
Okay.
Yes, yes, thank you.
So, I did miss the first two, because it's just a black screen with white text until it gets to the title screen, at which point a vibrant red, white, and blue American flag waves, and then it says, The Last Patriot, like Times New Roman over it.
But the lead up is just black background with white text, and it says, 1917, they came for the guns.
Which I think is why the Tsars were overthrown in Russia is because the Bolsheviks, they stole their guns first.
I think that's why little Anastasia was made into an orphan.
And then it was like, 1932 in Germany, they came for the guns.
And then this the clip I have starts right here where it says America 2024.
They're coming for our guns dot dot dot.
Not.
This.
Time.
The last patriot.
July 4th, 2024.
Hell yeah.
Wow.
Really?
Do you think they're actually ready for July 4th release?
Or they're just being... They just want that to be when it is.
Well, you'll notice the year in question, 2024.
I imagine they might be ready by July 4th, 2024.
they might be ready by July 4th, 2024.
That's a real like, I think maybe the main worry, the main fear isn't that they won't be ready, It's that, like, the studio, whatever studio or producer will be bankrupt or in, you know, federal prison for money laundering, something like that.
It is a Thursday.
I don't know if that means much.
July 4th, 2024 is a Thursday.
I don't know if they do movies.
I think it's Thursday, Friday, so it might be perfect.
I mean, it's to juice the weekend box office.
That's why.
They're hoping to really break a record for the July 4th weekend if they open on Thursday.
Clever.
Yeah.
So yeah, can't wait to see The Last Patriot.
I really hope it comes out.
Um, yeah.
Yeah.
So, uh, like I said, this movie is called Notorious?
No.
Uh, it's called, uh, Furiosa.
Uh, no, it's, uh, Insidious.
That's the name.
It's, nope, it's Nefarious.
Uh, opening alongside a movie, a horror movie called Insidious.
Also about demonic possession.
Just a masterful, masterful move, sir.
Every time I went to like go buy my ticket or whatever or like looking at movie times, every single time I had to go back to our conversation to see what it was called.
Because I was always saying just the wrong thing.
I kept forgetting what it was called.
I was just like, I know it's not Insidious.
What is it?
I was like, later on, I was like, why was I looking up the word necrotic?
I was like, what?
What is this?
Okay.
Yeah, so I mentioned Steve Dease.
This is a movie based on Steve Dease's book, A Nefarious Plot.
Which I'm assuming is just the same plot as this movie.
What a clever name.
They didn't really make it any more thematic than a book would be, because again, it's just a movie of mostly of two guys talking to each other over a prison table.
It's starring Sean Patrick Flannery from Boondock Saints as the demon Nefarious, a.k.a.
Edward, which is the name of the host that he also performs as a couple times.
No, his name was Edward Wayne Brady.
Yeah.
Which was funny to me every time.
Because they're going for, like, a serial killer name.
But you can't use, like, Wayne Brady as the middle last name.
Like, that's gonna override the whole thing.
They used the format, for sure.
Like, everybody who goes and sees this movie probably still yell Chappelle Show quotes.
Like, you can't.
This is not gonna work for this.
Uh, Edward makes Wayne Brady look like John Wayne Gacy.
Oh yeah, I thought that was funny.
Like, as soon as I got out of the theater, I texted him like, this guy, if you ask this guy, this guy thinks he acted his ass off.
I don't, I'm kind of impressed with this performance.
Oh yeah, considering.
It is a good performance.
I'm not going to lie.
It's Sean Patrick Flannery doing a stuttering, affected Mickey Rourke style performance.
It's like Mickey Rourke, the wrestler era, but faster talking, but still facial tics, gruff mannerisms, very snide.
I thought he embodied the spirit of a demon very well.
He made a lateral lisp sound like tough.
Yeah.
Well I like that because he did do the thing where he was doing two different characters where it was Nefariomus the demon and it was Edward and Edward sounded scared and Nefariomus sounded intimidating But there wasn't very long before I realized there wasn't so much facial tics as much as there was like nostril flaring and that was really the only facial.
He could only scrunch his nose and that's what made him look, you know, out of his mind.
He was like twitching his eyes the whole time.
Okay, so we open on...
A diploma hanging on a wall.
And this is Alan Fisher's diploma, Doctorate of Psychology.
And I'm watching this, I know the movie's a, you know, Catholic horror movie written by a right-wing, a strident right-wing militant.
So I'm like, oh, this man's doctorate surely will save him.
Surely it will, his doctorate will come in handy throughout this movie.
And he pan out or like widen the shot and Alan himself kind of walks up to the diploma and straightens it because it's a little off kilter, you know, can't have that.
And then walks away and the diploma crookeds itself again.
Yeah.
You knew right away what they meant by that.
And then he kills himself.
He jumps off the roof of the building and you see his body fall past the window of his nice penthouse apartment.
And then the diploma straightens itself.
Creepy.
That makes sense.
Uh, yeah.
So, great, great, uh, symbology, great metaphor already.
Um, yeah.
Nefarious.
We have the title card.
Nefarious.
Uh, there's, there's some decent, like, cinematography in this, in this movie because we open up on a, uh, like, drone shot of the prison.
Um, if you have, like, you know, a wide angle lens and a drone, it's not, probably not that hard to get this shot.
Uh, still, still looks nice.
But even the set I thought wasn't... the prison itself I thought was impressive.
That they had access to this prison or a prison set to make this.
Because it was.
The sets were impressive to me.
They were much better than anything else we've watched for this show.
Sure.
There was no CGI buildings.
I don't know.
I don't know what was going on in the actual conversation room because it was like a kind of like a dungeon with large stone walls, but they didn't look real.
It looked like either CGI or like a pattern stamped into the wall.
I was too enthralled with the performance to notice the walls in the interview room.
I'll say that much.
So we're getting more like establishing shots, setting the tone of the movie.
You see a sign next to the highway that says hitchhikers may be escaped convicts.
You get sort of diegetic background sound of a radio show host who wants the convict executed really, really badly.
He's like yelling about how they should kill this guy on death row.
You hear protesters outside the prison, I guess, yeah, clamoring for his execution.
This takes place in Oklahoma, by the way, everybody.
And then we get a hotshot Dr. James Pulls up to the front of the prison and they let him in and it turns out his mentor was Dr. Suicide.
And he's come to fill the role left by his death.
Which again was evaluating the sanity of a man who's already been convicted and sentenced to death.
The only thing they really do to kind of besides him being like a demon and stuff he's supposed to be this really gnarly killer and um but he seemed like like there's a bunch of people with the similar cases that are locked up right now he's not particularly scary in the world of like movie killers you know yeah he has like six he has like you know six murders that they know of or whatever
Right, we're from California.
That's nothing, you know.
Yeah, it's not.
It's whatever.
It's whatever.
My grandma's got that, you know?
Yeah, so the warden welcomes him to the prison and he says, uh, welcome to the unhappiest place on earth.
It's like, oh man, I feel so sad for you, Warden.
You must be so bummed, running the unhappiest place on Earth.
And the Warden just, yeah, wants this guy executed, thinks it's all a waste of time and it's all a joke.
I think he says something to the effect of like...
You know, you guys are, you're so smart with your degrees and all that.
Well, sometimes you just can't see what's right in front of your face.
Which is pure evil.
Which is, the message of this movie is that we, as a society, we're refusing to recognize evil as like a tangible, demonstrable, real thing, and then execute it accordingly.
Yeah, absolutely.
He's kind of mad.
He's almost mad that he has to have someone else come in here just because he's book smart to get this okay and went like, I know as The War and this guy should be super dead.
Yeah.
Yeah, I got a gut feeling that this is a bad guy.
I mean, he's here, right?
I do think that we need more working class representation under the decisions of death penalties, you know?
Absolutely.
Yeah, so the warden tries to warn Dr. James that the convict, Edward or Nefarious, he's a master manipulator, a genius.
And then we finally meet Nefarious who is yeah doing like a twitchy sort of Mickey Mickey Rourke snide talking under his breath and growling and He tells James that His predecessor committed suicide and that he's the one who made him do it He also tells James a bunch of stuff about his his personal life that he shouldn't be able to know he doesn't like where he went to college and where he's worked and
I think stuff in his personal life as well.
And then he says, you know, see James, I am a demon.
I am a demon.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And James says something like, oh, well, you know, please, please call me Dr. James.
It's my title.
And I worked very hard to achieve it.
Nefarious tells him that his name is Nefariamus, but he does the whole thing where he's like, my name is in ancient Aramaic.
It hasn't been spoken aloud in 5,000 years, but I guess the closest approximation, you would call it Nefariamus or Nefarious.
In this interaction, a couple things happened that I wrote down, which is, the reason why he says I'm a demon, one of the reasons he says I'm a demon, he goes, you know, James is like, you know, we're making sure we can execute you, you can die.
He goes, I can't die.
See, I'm a demon.
And it's like, that's really funny.
And then he says, oh, if you want, if I'm going to acknowledge your credentials, you need to acknowledge my credentials and give me my name, which is Nefariomus.
Also, Lord High Prince.
Like, he says Lord High Prince is like his title, but then that washes away the rest of the time.
He seems like a demon, but not a very important demon throughout the rest of it.
No, he's self-important, but he doesn't seem to have status or anything like that.
But yeah, he tells him like, oh, I'm, you know, my name's Nefarious or whatever.
And James is like, well, I think you're mispronouncing a word.
I don't think that's a real word.
Um, and, uh, I think the demon is like taking it back.
Nefarious is like a little upset that he's making fun of his name.
And he's, and he says, uh, something like, hey, names are important.
Aren't they, Jimmy?
And Dr. James is like, oh man, wow.
I guess he's, he's right.
I don't like being called Jimmy.
I like being called Dr. James.
And he, he apologizes to the demon.
Hey, listen Nef, my bad.
My bad, dog.
And that's kind of one of the first instances of him getting owned by the demon.
The demon is literally just there to repeatedly own and show how hollow and hypocritical humanity, but especially atheists and especially people who subscribe to science and ethical gray areas or cultural relativity, how idiotic they are.
Yeah, I do wish they would have had, like, an atheist who has a good educational background in religion.
Like, I think I would have done better in that room than James did.
Because although I'm not a believer now, I have a good background.
I think James is really lacking in that.
I think James could have had some good dunks back, but he wasn't ready for the smoke.
And that's what you get for being an atheist your whole life, okay?
Yeah, not impressed.
The demon, Nefarious, tells him, you will commit three murders before the day is through.
Before the bell strikes 12, you will have committed three murders.
And he's like, aw, I don't think so, man.
I'm not gonna kill anyone.
And then they get onto the subject of demonic possession, because yeah, he tells him that he's possessing Edward, and of course, Dr. James is trying to prove that he's insane, or trying to just hear his story out and evaluate his sanity.
And Nefarious says, do you believe in demonic possession?
And he says, well, no, but why don't you explain it to me or whatever?
You can just possess somebody and he's all, you can't just possess someone.
It takes a series of yeses.
Yep.
So you have to give consent.
You have to give consent to the, one of the most evil words in the English language, consent.
You have to give it to a demon in order for them to inhabit you.
And then he says, it starts when you're five, maybe the theft of a toy car.
Then we move on to bigger and better things.
At eight, a grandmother's gift of a Ouija board gives immediate access to his decision making.
You know grandma's notorious at giving Ouija boards for... Like, isn't the grandma the one that's supposed to be like, no, get that out of here.
That's... I'm a grandma.
I have old wisdom.
I know that's evil.
It's split the difference.
What happens is like your uncle gives you a Ouija board, but then grandma comes in with a saran wrap and wraps it around the Ouija.
She's like, if you're going to play with this, at least do it safely.
Yeah, yeah.
She takes the fucking clear cover off the couch and puts it over the- This is called harm reduction.
And what does he say about the Ouija board?
He's like, you know, when you use the Ouija board, you're surrendering your control.
You're letting someone else make decisions for you.
Yeah, he says you give us access to your decision making.
Yeah.
And it's like, and you begin to wonder, did I make this decision?
Did somebody else make it for me?
Um, and then I don't, I don't remember where he, he doesn't even like say anything I think about murder or anything.
It's just a stealing a toy car and then a Ouija board.
Like, yeah, those are the two, everything after, everything after that's a moot point.
You're already, you've already like signed, signed your fate.
Another really good line that happened in this conversation a little earlier is when James, you know, he's like, do you believe in demons or whatever?
And then James asked him about his beliefs.
He goes, Oh, I don't have beliefs.
We don't have beliefs.
We have knowledge.
And I thought that was an awesome line.
He's like, I'm a demon.
I know.
I know the facts.
I don't know.
I don't have any opinions.
I just know this is real.
As we go through this, you will see that the demon, the evil demon, is 100% a stand-in for the conservative audience.
It's a stand-in for the conservative author and conservative audience.
Yeah, it was funny because the demon was, that's what was weird about this movie, because the demon's almost, I don't want to say about a good guy, but is like, The one who at least knows what's up.
Like, it's better to be the demon and believe in the demon and believe the demon than it is to believe the atheist.
Like, you're supposed to believe the demon in this one.
Well, the demon knows good from evil.
He just likes evil.
Yeah, so that's how they get away with it.
He just describes all the things that Christians think are evil and then he goes, and I like that.
Yeah, I'm into it.
He tells him that he can't die and yet he still wants Edward to be put to the chair because they're finished with him.
He says, our work with Edward is done and it's time for him to go to hell.
Yeah.
Which I think is a cool, like, message for your movie is, like, this awful demon is literally possessing and controlling a human man, like, imprisoning him in his own mind and body, and therefore he deserves hell for that.
Yeah and he's also saying not only are you going to hell but he explains what being in the electric chair is like and how it is painful and excruciating and disgusting.
So he's not only saying we're sending him to hell and we're being mean about it because that's what he deserves for letting me possess him.
Yeah, he's like, well, because he gets to choose his method of execution and he picks the electric chair because it is the most painful.
And that's my little parting gift to Edward.
And then he, yeah, in like graphic detail, you know, just like every conservative weirdo and even just, you know, nonpolitical weirdo on the Internet, just...
Just like in graphic detail about how the voltage will course through Edward's body causing him to attempt to arc out of the very chair he is sitting in.
It will cause his head to catch fire and his eyeballs to melt in his brain.
And he will not die in the first attempt.
It will take two.
It's funny because, like, if you're going to have a movie where you are going to have a scene where you electrocute somebody in an electric chair, maybe dial back the description a tiny bit if you're not going to do everything that you say.
Yeah.
I didn't see.
Because they do most of the things.
Yeah.
You know, I mean, spoilers, but that, you know, but they don't, they don't do every, that scene, the description of the scene is much better than But only barely.
They only had to dial the description back a little bit.
Yeah, you knew what your budget was when you were writing the description of the death.
Didn't have the budget for that level of body horror.
You know, they didn't have like a 9-1-1 budget.
Yeah.
I know we said we're gonna have eyes boiling, but can we just settle for drool?
I thought like his head was gonna catch fire.
I thought I was like seeing some CGI heat waves coming off of his head and I was like ready for it to burst into flames and it didn't happen.
I was a little disappointed.
That happened in a movie, and I remember it being really disturbing.
I forgot what movie it was, but there is a movie where that happens.
Yeah, the Green Mile.
They don't put the sponge on his head.
Thank you, God.
They don't put the sponge on his head, and he, like, is engulfed in flames.
Yeah, and, like, it's really effective and really gnarly.
Yeah, but that's a Stephen King movie.
That's an atheist movie.
Yeah, you can't learn from that one.
Okay, so it's at this point where Dr. James has his first and only good idea in the entire movie, which is he calls for the prison chaplain.
He calls for the prison priest, the Catholic representative, and Edward is like, or Nefarious is like, no, you don't want to do that.
You're making a big mistake.
James, don't do that.
And you can tell he's like actually scared.
Yeah, the notary went down and was so scared of the priest.
Because up until this point he's like untouchable.
But yeah, they're talking about the priest coming in and I'm like, oh shit's about to go down.
He's like scared of the priest.
I also liked where James was like, see, I'm an atheist.
I don't have any knowledge about, you know, the Bible or about religion or anything, but so I'm going to call somebody who does.
And it's at this point Nefarious says something like, you ignorant sack of meat atheist.
You think your lack of belief will help you?
Yeah.
Which I thought was like, again, just like a line taken straight off of Facebook.
I think a lot of this was exactly the source from that.
I mean, that's what I think they've probably, this show probably has something to do with.
They probably heard us refer to them as demons so many times and they were like, we do kind of sound like demons.
Let's, let's use that, that tone at least.
Um, I think it's like, I mean, okay, so I was trying to think of, because the guy, you know, Nefarious, he is cool.
Like, he's super cool throughout.
He's obviously like a Mary Sue character for our Catholic author.
And it's hard to really argue with it too much because he is pretty cool.
Omnipotent to a certain degree his his logic is is pretty unimpeachable and he's just got such a like, you know cool demeanor while he says all these things and I think yeah, the devil is like the coolest thing a Christian can think of because it's like taboo and edgy, but it is like sort of a manifestation of The way they believe the world works.
A way they believe humanity is corrupted.
I think they like portraying the devil as a cool guy.
He's the coolest you could possibly be.
The devil is the coolest you could possibly be.
But also beatable with this one trick.
Which is believing in God.
You just gotta be better at fiddle than him.
You can still beat the devil, but he is as cool as possible.
So yeah, I think there's something alluring about that.
So they call the pastor in, the priest or whatever, I think he's a priest.
You know, Dr. James is like, oh, this man, I want you to perform an exorcism on this man.
He says he's a demon and Nefarious stands up immediately and he's like, back!
Back, friend of the carpenter!
Stay back from me!
Yeah.
The words they use for people, like the carpenter is how they refer to Jesus the whole time, the enemy is God, and then the master is like Satan.
Yeah, it's pretty sick.
And so they're always using those three terms the entire time, but the carpenter is probably my favorite one.
I like the enemy.
I like the enemy referring to God.
That's pretty cool.
But Carpenter is good.
And the priest immediately is like, hold on son, we're a different kind of Catholic church now.
As evidenced by his not normal scarf thing, vestments, but it's like a Serape.
It's a drug rug!
It's a drug rug!
It's a Mexican blanket!
Like, this priest is so chill, and he walks in and he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's all calm down.
We don't believe in demons.
I'm wearing my festive garb today.
I don't know why he was wearing a cardigan and wearing that.
I don't think that would ever happen.
I think the collar would have just been fine.
I also, you know, is it chill in whatever maximum security prison to wear a garment that you could be strangled with?
I feel like that wouldn't make it past the security test.
I think you can use God logic in prisons too.
I think that the people who were running those things were probably like, you're a priest.
You're fine.
You have the power of God on your side.
You're good.
I don't think that's even remotely true, because he's saying, you know, he tells them right away, like, oh no, we understand that that's not really possible, that we understand things differently now, what you used to call demons we now call mental illness.
I don't think that's, I don't think that is a thing in like Catholicism.
I think that Catholicism is still pretty ready to be like, wait, you're saying for real, for real, a demon?
We get to bring this?
We get to run it?
They still have a lot of fun with demons in the Catholic Church.
Because he's like bummed.
Well, he's not bummed.
He's being very, he's like, I've, I've never performed an exorcism and I don't plan on today.
Yeah.
He's woke.
He's the, he's a woke priest and he doesn't just say like, We don't believe in that anymore.
He literally says, our understanding has evolved beyond that.
He says the E word.
Very, very pointed use of the language, I believe.
And then he says, you know, there's no such thing as demons.
It's just our own fears and thoughts and psychology.
It would be funnier if he were like, God, sorry, fuck, I want to, but we're not allowed to anymore.
Like how cops aren't allowed to pursue now, you know?
We have a woke Pope, so this is off the table.
I actually ran over three school children the last time I was trying to perform an exorcism, so they won't let me do it anymore.
Yeah, we kind of view exorcisms kind of like conversion therapy now.
Like, we're going to let you do you.
That's not my business.
Like, I can't change you, who you are.
Yeah, we like to validate people's lived experiences.
And sometimes that means hosting an undead evil.
And then, yeah, our understanding has evolved beyond that.
And then the demon says, oh, that's good.
I feel much better now.
Uh, and then, yeah, I just have in my notes, the demon is a stand-in for the religious audience right here.
Uh, he calls the hippie priest a poser.
I love it.
So good.
So good.
He's like, you're going to bring some poser priest in here?
Like, give me a real priest.
Like, come on.
Uh, and then he says at one point, um, I am the most rational being you will ever meet.
Which again, straight from Facebook, straight from like the comment of a Catholic Facebook user.
I would love to have an opinion.
I can't have opinions.
I only know truth and facts and rationality.
God, it would be so nice to be wrong for once.
Shed this burden.
Um, so at this point, uh, Dr. James is like, okay, prove to me you're a demon.
Prove to me you're a demon and I will, uh, mark, mark Edward competent for trial.
Uh, and then, and then you can die the way, you know, he can die the way you want him to apparently.
Uh, and Nefarious says, okay, invite me in.
Let me inhabit you.
Yeah.
And James was like, I'm not going to do that.
It's kind of weird.
And he's all, you atheists, you don't have the convictions of your beliefs.
You say that you don't believe.
And yet when the rubber meets the road, you refuse to, you know, really take a stand.
You know, you need to stand for something or fall for anything, whatever he says.
And so he does invite him in to prove he's like a real, he's a cool atheist, actually.
He's like a courageous atheist.
And nothing happens.
Right?
Yeah.
Nothing happens at all.
And it is pretty anticlimactic right there, but I mean, any real film heads know that something probably did happen there.
Yeah.
But yeah, we don't see anything happen in that moment at all.
And then...
There was a, it was like a quid pro quo.
He said, okay, yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll invite you in if you, you know, grant me a favor.
And so the favor that he asks of Nefarious, he says, I want to talk to Edward.
Yeah.
And this is where we get, uh, Edward's first appearance.
Um, and Sean Patrick Flannery, yeah, drops the Mickey Rourke routine and starts doing like a, uh, sloth from the Goonies routine.
Absolutely is what that is.
That's so funny.
It's absolutely what that is.
Yeah.
He's like whimpering and crying and talking in a baby voice and slurring his words and stuttering even more than he was before.
And he says something like, oh, I can't stop him.
And Edward says, I can't stop him, meaning Nefarious, because he owns me.
And I think that's a metaphor for he owns him online.
He owns him with dunks and posts.
He dunks on me.
I've been ratioed.
I have no control over this.
Yeah, and then he talks with Edward for a bit and Edward just talks about how Nefarious is like tormenting him and gets his ass kicked by the other inmates.
Like, I don't know, walks up to the fucking, like, the Peckerwoods and calls them the N-word or something like that.
Yeah, yeah.
And then lets Edward take over while he gets his ass beat.
Yeah, what's funny about this scene right now, so the whole point of this interview is to deem him mentally equipped to die, but they're trying to find some sort of mental illness here, right?
So, the thing is, if you're like an atheist, you don't believe in the demon at all, at this point, You for sure, you've now talked to Ed, you've now talked to a second personality, and you now have confirmation that he's at least, like, needs some sort of help.
End of movie.
Totally.
End of movie.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
The only other alternative is that he's faking it, but it's like, with this performance from Sean Patrick Flannery, we can clearly tell he's not.
Yeah, yeah, you can tell that Edward is not okay.
Yeah, pretty pathetic figure.
I feel bad for Edward, but I mean, kind of deserved it, to be fair.
Yeah, he gave consent when he was five, so really... He's kind of asking for it.
Yeah.
It was a really nice toy truck.
It was a really nice toy truck he stole from his neighbor.
Yeah, he doubled down on that consent when he was eight.
The devil put a little flame decal on the side of the toy truck and it was over.
It was over.
Couldn't help it.
So shiny.
And so Nefarious comes back and, you know, I was like typing all of this very, very quickly in a darkened theater.
And I just have the quote here.
Sometimes smart people have a hard time seeing stuff that everybody already knows.
And I can't remember if that's Edward saying, I think maybe that's Edward because he's portrayed as like a set, like a simpler kind of guy, but even he knows what true evil is.
And it's only the intelligent people who have like convinced themselves through, you know, cultural indoctrination or cultural Marxism.
Uh, they've, they've explained away true evil.
Yeah, I think they did, like you said, that part, I think he has phrased that way to be like, I am Edward.
I'm just like, I'm so simple that I do get it and I'm not going to speak in big grand terms to you now, but I'm also terrified.
I'm Edward.
What is, I'm Edward.
I don't even know the meaning of anecdotal evidence.
I just know what's true in my heart.
Yeah, exactly.
He's, in this conversation at some point, They say, I just don't know what it means maybe.
What does pearls before swine mean?
He says pearls before swine.
Casting pearls before swine, I believe is, it's an idiom, it's like pearl, swine don't appreciate pearls.
So it's like a useless gesture.
Oh.
Like they wouldn't even recognize pearls if they saw them.
And that's another nefarious dunk in this comment.
They're trying to negotiate if he can talk to Edward.
He says that.
So that makes sense.
He's like, I'm doing you this good service.
You don't even know it.
Okay.
That makes more sense.
Um, yeah.
And so, uh, nefarious comes back, takes over Edward again, uh, with a vengeance because I believe like the first thing nefarious says is at least I didn't kill my own mother.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I was like, okay, so I guess Edward killed his own mother is like one of the crimes he's convicted of because it's Edward talking and, and then Nefarious takes over.
And so it sounds like it's a response to Edward, but no, it's a response to Dr. James, uh, who is being accused of euthanizing his own mother because he says, at least I didn't kill my own mother.
And, uh, Dr. James, like, you know, free gets like visibly, you know, disturbed and, His response is, she was an Oregon resident.
Everything was done in accordance to the law.
It's so funny too because like you immediately realize what's happening because he's he said You'll commit three murders by the end of the day.
Mm-hmm.
He says that multiple right there you automatically know Oh, man, they're counting.
This is like one of the murders.
He's like doing a clever.
He's not gonna like Because when you first hear that you're thinking how is he gonna like kill three security guards or like two security guards and you know and Edward like What's going to happen?
Oh, this is one of the murders.
Right away, you know, right away he's being clever.
You think it's going to be like a Saw type situation where he has him, you know, either through blackmail or through some sort of coercion he's going to make, force him to kill three people.
But no, I think, I think he uses technical legalistic language To say, he doesn't say, you will commit three murders by the end of the day.
He says, you will have committed three murders by the end of the day.
And you know that right away when you hear the mopping and it's like, and he, yeah, he, he gets, it's funny that he, cause they talk about how clever Edward is, you know, nefarious and how he will like turn yourself on you.
And it was just so easy.
It was just so easy, because like, wouldn't you just be like, "What are you talking about?
What do you mean?" Okay, anyways, moving on.
You would not acknowledge this thing.
You probably did have a hard time dealing with it.
You definitely wouldn't be like, vulnerable for this person who you believe is at least like acting like they're possessed by a demon.
Well, it's the easiest decision in the world to make to be like, "Yeah, he's insane." Because A, if he's insane, yeah, he shouldn't be executed.
But B, if he really is a demon, he wants to be executed as the demon, so you're now punishing the demon by not having him executed.
It's a win-win.
I don't know where the dilemma comes in.
Me either.
I don't know what they were trying.
It's like, I think curiosity just gets the best of them.
Cause I don't, yeah, I don't, it makes no sense why they would still be It should have been over so long ago.
I think it's pri... I think you're supposed to be... Excuse me.
I think you're supposed to like...
Recognize dr. James as like a proud person who wants to do his job?
Wants to be excel at his position and has like, you know, he does have moral convictions They're just misplaced into the world of science and you know human interaction I guess that's the way they would explain that but yeah, so
James is like, she was in constant pain and she was dying of cancer and you don't know what it's like to be there every day and to try and comfort her while she's in this state.
And then Nefarious is like, yeah, I'm sure the $3.6 million estate didn't hurt either, did it?
Did it, James?
Wow, wow, wow.
At this point, we are now anti-Team James because we found out that James grew up a millionaire.
Well, I mean, he's just another, he probably has Black Lives Matter.
Go scroll back in James' Instagram feed, find that black square from a couple years ago.
Yeah, it's there probably, yeah.
Yeah, and... I don't know, he frazzles James.
He unsettles James by calling him out for the money or whatever, and then says, and that's one murder.
We're moving along nicely.
And then he goes, ready for round two?
And James says, I didn't know this was a fight.
And Nefarious says, and that's why you're losing!
Yep.
Again, straight out of Facebook.
100% like, like these fools, they don't even know that there's a war going on.
Yeah, yeah.
If you're not engaging in war, that means you're losing the war.
It's a message to both, like, atheists or the cultural left who are not fighting against Satan, who are perhaps even fighting on his side, you know, charitably, they'll say, maybe unwittingly, right?
But it's also a message to, like, fellow conservatives and fellow Christians about, like, oh, you don't even realize we're in a fucking holy war for the soul of this nation, and that's why we're losing.
Yeah, you gotta treat it like, you gotta get engaged.
You gotta do some real war stuff now.
Uh, so Dr. James is like, uh, no, clearly you have, uh, clearly you have insanity.
Uh, you're, you're, you know, whatever, multiple personality disorder.
Um, and then, uh, the demon owns him again by repeating the DSM.
Repeating the DSM entry for multiple personality disorder and all the sub-disorders underneath it in very technical rote language.
Again, to prove that it's not about facts, okay?
I know all the facts, alright?
And they're not important here.
Yeah.
I know everything.
He is saying he knows everything.
There's a bunch of like things that he's trying to you know He's trying to say like a demon is basically as good as Because he says I've been around since before Humans.
Yeah, and so yeah, he's supposed to yeah, he knows everything he's always Talking about how dumb James is it's amazing because the whole time you're thinking like man.
This guy's so fucking smart and Cause he's so smart and powerful.
He says, I got you here.
I've been planning on you to be here the entire time.
James in this room with me has always been my plan.
But it's just like, so it's like James super smart too because you're still kind of, this is still an hour and 45 minute movie I have to watch now for you to be so smart.
No, I think James, James is just weak.
James is the right kind of a weak person to fulfill this role.
Yeah.
And he tells James, the reason you're here is you're gonna tell my story.
And James is like, why would I do that?
Yada, yada, yada.
And he's all, well, picture this, a devout atheist bringing forth a demon's manifesto, the irony.
And it's like, what do you mean irony?
That's 100% a fantasy of the author.
That's exactly what you would say is happening every day.
Yeah.
Isn't that just like, isn't that just like metal music too?
It's true.
Isn't that just like a three, six mafia songs?
And yeah, it's like he wants James to write an epic, uh, edgy version of the Bible.
The dark gospels.
The dark gospel.
Yeah.
He's like, you're, you're going to, you're going to write this book, which is going to do for me what that, what that other book did for the carpenter.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That other book.
The one that I'm basing my, the one that my entire existence hinges on, this other book that my entire existence hinges on, that book, that book sucks.
I gotta do my own now.
Yeah.
And I love also as the audience, you're supposed to be along the same lines as the audience.
You're supposed to be like, whoa, a demon knows theology.
Whoa.
That's so fucking twisted.
It's like, that's always been the case in like every representation of like, isn't, isn't what's her name from, isn't like Linda Blair spouting Bible verses at, at the, at the priest and the exorcist.
Yeah, yeah, I think absolutely, yeah.
You know, you know, you know, uh, the dark gospel's been around here for a long time.
Uh, it's called, it's called the Art of the Deal.
Yeah, it's like the devil knows gospel, isn't that an old saying?
The devil can repeat the gospel better than anybody.
Yeah, that's totally a thing.
So he tells the story of the rebellion, the rebellion of the angels and the creation of hell.
And James is like, oh, so you were angels?
And Nefarious is like, well, that is the closest term, although I despise it.
And then he says yeah, we began to we were beings of pure will but then we began to recognize a will stronger than our own and James is like Oh God and The fairy says the enemy The enemy very good.
I like all that stuff.
I think it's cool.
And honestly like this is a fucking scene-chewing performance.
This is like a pretty like Flamboyant performance from Sean Patrick Flannery, but it's good.
I genuinely liked it.
It jumps off though with James, I forget what it was, James asked him a question and the question is like A or B and he so snidely answers yes.
Yeah.
He's like, is it A or B?
And he goes, yes.
And it's like, it's beyond what you even think it is.
It's, your options don't even, you don't even know the options.
And then, and yeah, he goes into this whole thing.
It, I do like that when he goes into the enemy and the whole lore of like, and then he created, you know, you guys and like you, he fucking loves you pieces of shit, but I don't know why.
And it's good.
It's good.
Yeah.
He says, um, James asks, is hell a place or a state of mind?
Yeah, that's what it was.
That's what it was.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah, and so then they get cast down, you know, to hell.
And then human beings are created and they despise human beings for, like you said, being loved by God.
And But then he laughs because, you know, for the battle, the battle over human beings, the battle of good versus evil over human beings has shown human beings to be conquered and fettered by sin.
And then he says, yeah, humans meant to master nature now at the mercy of nature instead of ruling it.
Yeah.
Is that kind of like saying like a Oh, you're just gonna let the planet get hotter on you?
You're just gonna... You're just gonna run out of resources?
I feel like it's whatever you want it to be.
I feel like in general terms, it means nature, like, fucking and sucking.
Like, conquered by, you know, getting it wet.
Totally.
Like, that's the downfall.
But it also could be like, oh yeah, you were supposed to be the master of your domain, and now you're not even slaughtering cattle, you're eating Morningstar chick-apostrophe-N patties.
Yeah, what's wrong with you?
Yeah.
Could be that, or like environmentalism, like you're saving the planet instead of dominating it.
It could be a lot of things.
Yeah, and he reveals his plan.
He reveals the demon's overarching goal is to punish God by destroying humans.
Because God loves humans, so the only way to get back at God is by destroying them, by making them steal little toy cars and stuff.
That's so sick.
That's like the intro to a ZAO song.
Yeah.
I saw the faces of angels destroyed.
Okay, so he ends that and then the next part he says to Dr. James, he says, what's Emily up to?
Or whatever James' girlfriend's name is.
He says, what's Emily up to?
And James is like, what?
He says, I mean right now, what is she up to?
And it turns out she's up to abortion.
At that moment.
She's literally going to get an abortion.
And Nefarious says, does she know you're about to break up with her?
She thinks she's doing this to maintain the relationship.
After all, you're not quite ready yet, right?
You're only 35.
Yeah, dunk.
That was a good one.
Yeah, you're only 35.
I felt that a little bit, yeah.
What are you waiting for?
Yeah.
I was pretty drunk for this whole movie, and I was really nodding in and out of consciousness for a lot of it, but my ears perked up when this scene happened.
It's a pretty good scene.
It's really good, because this thing too, where it's like...
So this guy just, this guy not only knows everything about me, but also knows like my thoughts and like my, my, uh, knows my plans.
That's pretty scary.
Pretty scary stuff.
Yeah.
What sort of rules are we operating on?
Because I understand like omnipotence, knowing the actions, like knowing the hard facts of like what occurs in the world.
But it seems like, yeah, mind reading is, is a, is another level to that.
He got in there when he possessed him briefly.
Oh, maybe.
When he low-key possessed him, and he just, like, read the room and got back out.
Oh, yeah, I think about that.
He doesn't have access now.
So, wow, feels like... What is that called?
Feels a little like failure to launch in here.
All right, I'm gonna use that.
Oh, good.
This is funny though because he's saying you don't even care about this woman at all.
You don't even care about this woman because you're sending her to get an abortion or whatever.
You don't care about her at all.
You're going to break up with her anyways.
In an effort to break him down and make him have a hard time and I don't know if he does catch feelings or guilt.
Yeah, well it's, so it's a very funny argument, okay?
Cause it's, do you know, does she know that you're about to break up with her?
She thinks she's doing this to maintain the relationship.
So that's, that's like supposing that, oh no, actually I think we should end this relationship.
And then she would be like, oh cool, then I'm going to have this baby.
Like, I don't know if that's the way it would work.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because he goes on to say, imagine the joy in your little Cinderella's heart when she realizes she's butchered the little baby in her belly for nothing.
Yeah.
Does she want to be a single mother with a man who doesn't want to be there in the picture either?
I think this is like pretty obviously a good choice no matter what happens afterwards.
Yeah, I don't understand what any type of intervention would provide here.
It seems like This is a good choice.
Oh, you don't want anything to do with me?
Uh, then actually I will have your child.
Yeah.
She's just like super petty.
He just knows that that's how Emily would react, the demon.
So she would just fucking throw her whole life away to spite him.
Well, because he only knows the way that he thinks about her.
So maybe that is what he thinks.
Could be, yeah.
And then James, you know, James says, any any decision made between me and my girlfriend was her choice.
And Nefarious says, oh, I think we think we both know better, James.
It's like, yeah, he coerced her into into having an abortion, which it kind of goes against, I think, I feel like the most of the messaging, most of the anti-abortion messaging, like usually it's that women make this decision too easily.
And yes, I guess I guess I have heard the argument that like, Abusive men will pressure women into having abortions and that's like an argument against abortion.
I think that's what they're going for here That's what he's going for is like, oh like You didn't give her you didn't give her the choice.
You totally you're like making her do this Like you're not even there with her and I think he says something like he's like, you know, you're not even there with her You're like not even like hold her a hand through or something like that And he's kind of like yeah, I don't think she wanted me to go with her He says, you can stop this now.
Use the guard's cell phone and make a call that will change everything.
Tell her you want to have the baby.
You want to marry her.
You want to hold that child.
You could make your life about sacrificial love and play live-in therapist for the rest of your life.
Holy shit.
Jeez.
Read him like a book.
That was crazy.
Make your life about sacrificial love.
That's my favorite kind of love and thing to make, to base a relationship around for sure.
No, the more miserable, the more selfless and miserable you are, the better the relationship.
Have you considered becoming a martyr?
Yeah, yeah.
I think the best tone for relationship is you should be so lucky.
Like, look how lucky you are that I'm here.
Yeah.
It's very good to do something you don't want and have the people who, I guess in this rubric, are the things you didn't want closest to your life.
Sleeping in the same bed with you every night.
I think that's really good for everybody involved.
Yeah, and so Dr. James, he says, I can't do that.
Like, I can't make that call to stop her.
And Nefarious is like, why not?
And James goes, it's complicated.
And then Nefarious erupts into applause and says, that's my boy, James!
So good.
So good.
Yeah.
It's complicated!
And it's like, this is, again, the screenwriter, the author, slapping you in the face and telling you there is no gray area, there are no complications, there's right and wrong.
But it's the people who insist that there are extenuating circumstances to any sort of moral evaluation that are the problem.
And it is people who are like demons who get excited about this.
Cause the demon, he does say like, he is like, we love this.
This is our favorite shit.
When you guys do this, we, we, it's our favorite thing to do.
When you tear your babies into pieces, he says, what did he say?
He talks about like the sacrificial hand, like the old sacrifice they used to make.
He goes into the story of Moloch and sacrificing babies, and he's all used to toss infants into the fire with beating drums, of course, to drown out the screams.
Drown out the screams, yeah.
Erected a golden statue with outstretched palms over a roaring fire, and they would throw infants into the palms of the golden statue, and they would cringe away from the heated metal and willingly roll into the flames themselves.
And James is like, what, dude?
What are you talking about?
He's all, what does that have to do with me?
And Nefarious is like, oh, nothing, except the priests now wear surgical scrubs.
The killings take place inside the womb, so there's no screams to drown out, and the remains are thrown into gas-powered furnaces.
No, James, no, no, no, no parallel to you at all.
He is saying like, hey listen coward, at least wait till the baby's born before you kill it.
That is like, he's like, you guys are such cowards.
You wear surgical stuff, you don't even get to see it.
That's cowardly.
Do it to full babies.
At least let it get pretty late before you DNC that shit.
This whole chemical abortion thing, it's just like a heavy period.
That's not going to cut it.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I mean, thank God for the great state of Virginia, though.
Yeah, so he's just like, yeah, abortion doctors are Moloch.
And then he says, can you imagine the pain, the agony the carpenter must feel when we rip a child to pieces inside its own mother's womb?
He's like getting off on how sad this makes Jesus.
Yeah.
Can you imagine it?
And then James is like, oh, well, it's her body.
She can do what she wants.
And Nefarious replies, do what thou willed.
That shall be the whole of the law.
Which is, of course, satanic.
It's like the satanic test.
What do you call it?
Commandment.
Yeah.
Which, you know, does rule.
But yeah, obviously it rules because he's a demon.
That's just shit.
That's the master's code.
Yeah, it's at this point that we get, I think, the best scene.
I'm very sad I didn't catch a clip of it, but it is my favorite scene in the movie.
They're, you know, talking about this abortion.
That's, you know, supposedly happening right now.
And Nefarious says, can you feel it, James?
Can you feel it?
And he starts to stand up and he says, your unborn son is now on our altar.
And then he starts counting down from five.
He goes, five, four, three, two, one, and then like comes and then orgasms.
And he says, hell rejoices, James!
Yep.
It's such a good moment.
It's such a good moment.
Because I think, I like that moment too because it does kind of, it's making, it's like, no, this is how big of a deal abortions are.
Like all the demons party.
Yeah.
Every time it happens, all the demons, every time you do an abortion, a demon busts a nut.
Yeah.
It's like the New Year's Eve ball drop for them.
It's like a party from the devil's advocate.
Like, Yeah.
That happens.
And then once he settles down, you know, once he's finished climaxing, he settles down, he goes, and that's two, James.
Two murders James has committed.
And at this point, if I was James, I'm like, okay, so you're taking some liberties with, uh, I'm going to relax about the murder thing now.
You clearly, we clearly have different definitions of murder.
I'm telling you the one I believe in, you have at least six charges of.
So I'm going on with that one.
Um, but yeah, you're clearly, uh, you know, Taking some liberties.
That's okay.
No, James is freaked out by this.
So for some reason now he suddenly, yeah, now he sees that abortion is bad.
He sees the sicko outside of the window salivating at his girlfriend's abortion and he's like, oh shit, maybe I'm the bad guy.
And so he runs out to try and make a phone call and he begs the prison guard to use his cell phone and he lets him use it and he doesn't call his girlfriend, he instead calls his own answering machine.
Yeah, yeah.
And there's a message from the girlfriend who's like, Teehee, I'm about to go get an abortion, bye.
It's just like, I'm going in.
It's fine to hear your voice.
They have the forceps ready, bye bye.
And he's like, he's really sad.
He's devastated.
And then you cut to him like outside, taking a break, staring into space.
And it is like the Twin Peaks soap opera piano music playing behind him as he contemplates the unborn life he's responsible for taking.
The only thing worse than like calling your girlfriend right before she's about to get an abortion to say don't get an abortion is calling your girlfriend right after she got an abortion to tell her not to get an abortion.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe just keep all of this pretty close to the vest.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Also, if you, if you like, if you got so worked up by that, where you were really, you were really moved and emotionally jarred by what the demon was saying, you also, Probably, at this point, believe that the demon counted it down and already told you you have no way of fixing this.
It frazzles you.
You know, even though you believe the demon, you need to verify, you need to double-check, you know?
And it's too late.
The warden comes up next to James, and he says, he got into your head, didn't he?
And James is like, fuck yeah, dude!
And again, it's like, the warden is basically saying, yeah, that's why you don't listen to them, you just kill them.
Yeah.
We actually have a sign up- You should never evaluate any prisoner.
You should just murder them.
Yeah, you shouldn't do it.
Just make it happen.
That decision was made before they got here.
We also have signs up throughout the prison that say, like, don't visit Edward if someone you know is having an abortion.
He makes it really- If I would've known, I would've told you not to come in today.
Yeah.
He does this to us every time.
It's a real, if you are pregnant, do not enter this ride situation.
Yeah.
Yeah, and then I think this is where the warden pulls out a pack of cigarettes, and he gives one to James, and he says, before every execution, I buy a pack of cigarettes.
And I promise to throw away the pack if there's any left once the execution is done.
And then James, aka the screenwriter, asks, are there ever any left?
And the warden says, no.
Why are we to believe that this warden, like, doesn't smoke cigarettes?
But, like, is it a sensible smoker who only really has it when he's, like, really, you know, going through something?
Or, maybe he's like, you know, you have a cigarette when you're having fun.
You're a little drunk, get a cigarette, or you're about to murder a mentally ill man, have a cigarette.
He's like, I only have cigarettes when we have an execution here, which is why I try to make sure we have as many executions as possible.
Yeah, he just refuses to accept that he's addicted to nicotine and he's just like convicting everybody to death.
Yeah.
Condemning everybody to death.
Oh yeah, it's free relief.
- Man, this doesn't get any easier.
Yeah, I know, it's so funny.
Like, we're introduced to the warden by saying, this is the unhappiest place on earth.
I make sure to make this hell on earth for these convicts.
Also, we should just kill them immediately.
You're really wasting my time by having a conversation with this guy.
Also, this is the hardest part of my job and I just need a pack of cigarettes to get through it.
Shut the fuck up.
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
Yeah, so he tells James 60 more minutes.
That's all I can give you to establish sanity or insanity.
That's definitely how it works.
That's definitely like the authority that the warden has to determine, you know, to put a fucking clock on a psychiatric evaluation.
Not that like...
Psychiatric evaluations are necessarily that thorough in prisons at all.
I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't, but yeah, I like the idea that the warden can set terms for determining sanity or insanity.
He says, yeah, 60 more minutes.
That's all I can give you.
And then so James struts back into the like little meeting room that is, yeah, in the dungeon.
Edward is chained to the table.
And Dr. James kind of struts back into the meeting sort of like coolly and matter-of-factly says, I want to know how you knew my girlfriend was having an abortion.
Which, like, was a very funny line delivery for me.
Or he says, like, elective procedure.
He calls it an elective procedure, which makes the demon laugh, and that's when I have our first clip from the movie.
An elective... Well, I don't know, Jim.
Maybe I'm just a good guesser.
I still don't believe you.
I played the flute and you wouldn't dance.
I played the dirge and you wouldn't weep.
I told you I'm a demon and you don't believe me.
I told you I'm not a demon and you don't believe me, so why don't you tell me the story you'd like to hear?
The one that's true.
No, I told you the true story and you don't want to hear it.
See?
Atheists know the truth.
They just don't want to fucking hear it.
Sorry.
Yeah.
It's not my fault you can't grasp it.
And I don't know if you notice, at the rate that I'm blinking, but I'm clearly a demon.
We have to keep our eyes really wet, okay?
We're like frogs.
What if he did the sideways blink like that alien in Men in Black?
That would be sick.
I just saw this video of this guy.
He's like a clown guy.
He has a clown...
Tattoos on his face and now he's like a Jesus guy and he tells a story about how he like Gave when Obama was in LA Secret Service came to him for a haircut and he saw he saw one of the Secret Service people do the sideways blink and And he's like, and you will not believe what they told me after that.
And I'm like, what?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've been seeing it go, making the round.
It's a really ridiculous fear.
So yeah, sideways blinks are out there.
It's kind of, those aren't demons.
Those are lizard people.
It's a little late to be doing Obama as the Antichrist.
You know, that's, like, what's the point?
Oh, he's making content for Netflix as the Antichrist?
Well, he's just now, he's like, this guy's just now been saved.
So when you just now get saved, you still get to make content for anything that's happened before.
So you still got to get your, you know, your, your stats up by putting your Obama demon Thing content out there.
Yeah, but it's like less.
I don't know.
It's less effective now We all know like Obama just a standard neoliberal president Yeah, like who's also a demon.
Okay.
All right fine agree to disagree more from this clip Do you think I'm evil James?
Do you think I'm evil James?
Evil isn't a clinical diagnosis Good and evil are societal constructs, effectively subjective value statements.
Do you think my victims thought I was evil?
than any other culture.
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
It's definitely like, this is just conservative memes at this point.
- Think my victims thought I was evil?
- Why is it so important that I think you're evil?
- That is a very good question.
Like, I'm with James.
You're in prison, dawg.
What does it matter if we call you evil or not?
Yeah.
We're treating you as such.
I mean, I might not, but a lot of people here think you're evil, so I mean, you're good.
Good.
Facebook.
Face- it's Facebook!
Yep, yep.
It is Facebook, yeah.
See James, it's not just about you or Edward for that matter.
It's about everyone.
The entire human race.
All of us, against all of you.
Well, you know, if that's the case, your side's not doing too well.
Do you really believe that, James?
We've never been freer.
Yeah.
Literacy is at an all-time high.
We're working to eliminate racism, intolerance, gender inequality.
We're working to eliminate intolerance.
Yeah.
People can love who they want.
Be who they want.
Do what they want.
Diversity is no longer a dream.
Hate speech... Diversity is no longer just the dream of a dreamer.
We are diverse for the sake of diversity.
Yeah, the note I have is diversity is up.
Listen, Demon, we're super diverse now.
Hate speech is no longer tolerated, and politically, we're reclaiming the moral high ground.
Who's we?
Have the world's richest man just bought one of the most popular social media services.
The use of the n-word is up by 1,000%.
Yeah.
No, I'm just kidding.
It's no longer tolerated and politically, we're reclaiming the moral high ground.
James, I think I love you.
So good.
James, the average high school graduate reads at a 6th grade level.
That's still pretty good.
That's better than like 50 years ago, probably.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Young basketball players making $30 million a year to crack racism.
All while wearing sneakers made from slave labor.
That's right, baby.
Kaepernick.
Kaepernick is fucking... Kaepernick and LeBron are in this fucking movie.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they're part of the demon problem.
We did that.
That's what he's saying right now.
He's like, we did that.
That was us.
We invented swag.
You have millionaire African-American basketball players decrying racism while cozying up to an authoritarian regime that harvests organs from living tissue samples.
Here's something for you.
Right now your world currently has 40 million slaves.
More than the Romans had at the height of their empire.
Want to know the best part though?
Half of those, half, Just making up a number.
Just... Also, whoa, that's crazy.
There's more slaves in the whole world right now than there were in one area of the world?
2000 years?
Yeah, yeah.
Whoa, that's fucked up, dude.
It's funny because at first I'm almost like...
Cool, yeah, I think we should.
I mean, yeah, that is an issue.
Slave labor does exist throughout the world.
We consume a lot, that is a problem for sure.
Oh, okay, half of those people are sex slaves.
I feel like his definition of what a sex slave would be is pretty vague.
Well, it's also, I mean, if you're saying, like, sexual slavery is a big problem, which, sure, obviously, doesn't that imply some sort of systematic discrimination against women?
Doesn't that sort of imply, like, that women are being systematically exploited?
Yeah.
I don't know if that helps out your, like, anti-gender ideology or anti-feminist slant.
It does help the demons out, though.
That is a point for the demons.
Stay winning.
Yeah.
As for hate speech, well... This is the best part.
As for hate speech, well... You wanna hear some irony?
We didn't even come up with that one.
You did it all by yourself.
Sometimes you amaze even us.
We didn't even do, like, because it's fake, because hate speech is fake, therefore it's not demonic.
Well, it isn't evil.
It is something that is like, you know, making things a problem.
And we didn't even do that.
You made it up.
There were just words before, and then you made it hate speech.
Exactly.
And now, yeah, you made that problem up.
That's so funny.
Look at you eating yourselves.
Yeah, there's definitely nothing in the Bible about viciously, verbally attacking somebody based on their identity.
That's definitely not a problem in the Christian religion.
We didn't like, they didn't open this, they didn't open their, their dialogue talking about the importance of names.
Totally.
You know?
Yeah, I, I just love it.
Christians that don't even have a word for hate.
You've invented that.
It's just, you know, you know, it's just another language for black, right?
It's just, it means it's the same.
It's, it has roots in different languages.
It's just the worst, it's just observation. - I hate to see the humor.
Bottom line is you're done.
It's over, that's it.
And we did it all right to your face, James.
- Yeah, again, another message of this movie is that demons are, they're corrupting humanity right in front of their faces without anybody knowing, mostly through television, I believe.
Yeah, media.
I'm pro-demon over here.
I'm on the demon side for the most part.
But he's got to humble himself.
You're not so blatantly in people's faces if you have to possess people.
That's cheating.
That's true.
Yeah.
The biggest irony is keeping up with the Kardashians.
That wasn't even us.
You created that.
The name itself, you could never keep up with the Kardashians.
Uh, yeah, he says we redirected your worldview to the point where you can't even recognize evil when it's right in front of you.
Or more to the point, James.
When you're doing it yourself.
And then, yeah, he explains how he wants to ride the lightning so that it'll be more painful for Edward and that only crucifixion is worse.
I don't know, it's a little further.
This is where he punishes Edward by breaking his own finger.
I don't know.
It's a little further.
This is where he punishes Edward by breaking his own finger.
He breaks his own finger.
He pulls it backward to demonstrate that the pain doesn't bother him.
Uh, and then he, he resets, uh, the, the finger.
I think he's doing this to like get James to agree to write the book.
He's like threatening, you know, Edward's body so that, so that James will agree to do it.
James says, you want me to write your book?
And Edward or Nefarious says, you've already written it.
You just need to agree to it.
And James says, what do I get in return?
And Edward explains that the book will be a worldwide phenomenon.
You will be my witness and apostle.
And yeah, he wants the edgy version of the Bible.
He wants like a cool collector's edition, like foil-backed, like epic satanic Bible thing.
Yeah, respectfully, I'm with that.
And then he says, this is where he says, the carpenter was our greatest threat.
And the cross was our greatest mistake.
And yeah, he basically says that they crucified Christ, but it backfired by making, like Obi-Wan, making him stronger than they ever could have imagined by striking him down.
Because of the suffering he endured, it proved that he was real cool and everybody liked him because of how much he suffered.
And fuck, we should have killed him in a really humane way, I guess.
They should have been cooler about it, yeah.
I agree.
They should have had him die in his sleep surrounded by loved ones.
They should have done whatever Jake did to his mom.
Oh, James, yeah.
James, yeah.
They should have done whatever James did to his mom.
Jesus wasn't in Oregon, though.
That's the problem.
Damn it, that's very true.
You know, Oregon would euthanize Jesus if he were alive today.
They would.
They would.
Which is, you know, fucked up because he could just heal himself and they're not even giving him the opportunity.
That's messed up.
They tried to like tempt Jesus the same way they're trying to tempt James, but the carpenter never claimed that my master's gifts were fake the way that James does.
He just turned down the offer.
So he's like showing how You know, James is more concerned about, you know, what's the truth, like what's the hard facts or whatever, instead of just like going with the overall capital T truth, which is that demons are bad and they should be rejected outright, even if they are fake.
Um, and then, uh, the, the jail, the jail, what, jailers come in and they're like, the warden wants to see you.
And, and James is like, Oh, I'm not finished yet.
And they're like, it's not a request.
Yeah.
So like, what, what do you mean?
It's not a, you're like, they should have to like pick him up and drag him out of the jail.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
They should, they should have, they should have handcuffed them and take them to where they're taking them no matter what's happening here.
This is my, this is my, one of my biggest hang-ups is this particular scene, well this situation here.
Because they have to show him something, right?
That's the reason they're taking him out.
Yeah, so they show, yeah.
It is for a good reason though, because they take him to Edward's cell that they've apparently just tossed for the very first time ever.
Yes.
Because they find a giant like spiral bound
Journal of Edwards entire or sorry of Jane dr. James's entire life Starting from when he was a child including like family photographs Yeah that I think James says he's never seen before and there's like stuff in the journal that is That he doesn't even remember happening because it was it happened when he was so young and you're like, oh shit I guess this is gonna be like part of the book that he that he has quote already written and
Oh, I wasn't even thinking about that.
To be released, and then the warden reaches down and pulls up another fully bound, like, manuscript, and he's like, and this one says it's written by you, and it's the Dark Gospel.
So this motherfucker was keeping, like, two different 300 page bound tomes in his fucking Oklahoma prison cell.
Okay.
It's like he has these demon scrapbooks that, like, he was able to...
The pictures are from when he was a kid.
So he brought those into the prison with him?
And also, why does a demon need scrapbooks?
A demon has at least photogenic memory.
I don't think demons have nostalgia.
I don't think they need that stuff.
I don't think they're precious about things.
Why is there a demon notebook?
I hated this part.
That is the only explanation they give is that Nefarious is like...
Lovingly raising this anti-Christ-like figure.
He does have an affinity towards James because he says throughout, he says, I think I love you.
When you talk about how we should base all of our decisions on reason and evidence, God, I think I love you, James.
It's exactly what we love in hell is a science.
And then also, yeah, when he says, oh, it's complicated, and he stands up and applauds him.
Like, I think he's supposed to have, like, a fatherly-like feeling towards James.
Yeah.
Because he does say something like, I watched you grow up, and I was there in every moment.
You've been groomed.
Remember that sociology class you took?
That was me.
He does have this creepiest line here where he says, Oh, that's the first picture I took of you.
That's the first picture I got of you.
And it's like him as a kid.
That was like, Oh, that was, that was good job.
That was a little creepy.
Yeah.
It's certainly interesting.
Um, And, uh, but yeah, the manuscript is, uh, there's also the manuscript that's like, yeah, the Dark Gospel by James, and James has to, like, tell the warden, uh, I didn't write this, because the warden's like, what the hell is going on here?
Did you write this and put it in his prison cell?
He's like, what?
Why didn't you guys find this yesterday when you did his daily cleaning or whatever the fuck you guys do?
Because then you would have seen that you're about to invite the guy with the name on the book inside of the prisoner's thing, and I probably shouldn't be I should probably be cancelled from this, right?
This seems to be a conflict of interest.
Yeah, the name of the manuscript is I, Nefarious.
But then the warden says, don't worry, Doc.
This all ends when he dies.
And Dr. James is like, well, what do you mean?
He's all, well, now you have skin in the game.
He's like, well, what do you mean?
And he's like, well, if you don't render him competent to be executed, that means he's going to wind up back in the general population.
And then one day you're going to wake up with him standing at the foot of your bed holding a knife.
Which, I mean, honestly, that might have been fine.
They could have been friends later on, maybe.
Maybe they could have had that, like, you know, fatherly role for him.
They could have gone fishing and stuff.
And it's really interesting, like I was trying to think about this as I was watching the movie.
And so, the warden character, the jailer characters, who obviously, like, feel disgust and disdain for this prisoner, They are meant to be morally righteous figures.
Yes.
Despite the fact that they're clamoring for this guy's execution, and not despite the fact, but because of the fact that they're clamoring for this guy's execution, despite it being what the demon wants.
The demon wants to be executed because that's gonna make him more powerful, right?
Yeah.
That he's gonna be able to inhabit his next host.
So the jailers are doing the wrong thing but for the right like for the correct reason and it's it's drawing this comparison between people who just have a gut instinct about evil and know that it should be terminated on on the spot
Versus everybody else who overthinks it and tries to rational rationalize away the evil and it gets back to this thing like oh Yeah, these this warden and these jailers.
They're they're definitely stupid.
They're definitely more dumb But they're like they're better people Yeah, well cuz like this guy's evil.
We want him dead.
It's it's good to have this guy dead regardless We're we're not just killing a murderer.
We're killing a demon so these are good people for wanting to do the hard work and this This doctor, he knows the truth.
He essentially knows that this guy is a demon and is still unwilling to fight him.
Still is unwilling to treat him as evil.
So that's why he is the lesser moral figure here.
Yeah.
Yeah, we get another fake Sicario drone shot over the prison.
Is this the one that had the birds over the watchtower and the birds were CGI'd?
Did you notice the CGI'd birds?
No, no I didn't.
The flock of birds was not real.
They were really oddly proportioned.
At one point they were supposed to be going further away, but they got larger.
Was it like a birdemic moment where the camera moves and the birds like stay at the same spot in the frame of the camera?
There was a bit of that, yeah.
There was for sure some flock lag.
And so they go back to the conversation and this is where Nefarious breaks his own hand to get out of the handcuffs and strangles James with the chain.
He reaches up and grabs James and wraps the chain, you know, his handcuff chain around James's neck and starts strangling him and the cops start to come forward and he's like, no, stay back!
Nefarious says like, stay back, I've got him.
And it's like, you're already strangling him.
What are you threatening the police with?
And so there's like four or five cops that are just standing back during this scene where Nefarious is strangling him for like a couple minutes and gloating in his ear about it.
Very funny.
Yeah, and he's saying, like, I can kill him, and it's like, yeah, but us, like, not stopping you is not stopping you from killing him either.
You're killing him.
Yeah, you are currently killing him.
Because at no point do I think he had, like, super strength.
You know?
So he's just a regular guy holding a chain around his neck.
James is kind of a punk here.
Totally.
Yeah, he doesn't have super strength that we know of.
He has a tolerance of pain.
He likes pain.
Both he and Edward feel the pain.
The difference is I enjoy it.
I revel in it.
And so the demon is like, again, describing like the technical medical phenomena that are occurring in James's brain while he's strangling him.
He's like kind of describing it orgiastically.
And the cops are just, sorry, he finally lets James go because he tells James, beg, beg for your life.
Ask me for your life.
Which I guess is like a no-no.
That's like a theological note that you should never beg for your life because that means you're asking a demon for a favor.
Oh, that's true.
That's true.
That's a little catch-22 there.
You should just die honorably and clean.
Yeah.
Without consorting with the enemy.
And so he lets go of James and that's when the cops finally rush in and just start beating him over and over.
He's just on the ground and they're just kicking him and hitting him with their sticks and everything, which I think the movie is trying to tell us is the correct response.
Yes, I did like that they did show how physical the cops got.
I also have my notes that maybe the issue was that cops really don't recognize when someone's being choked to death.
Um, so maybe that's what was going on there with like the delayed response, like lack of urgency there.
And then they do definitely go in with some, um, like he throws himself on the ground basically.
They just beat him with batons.
Yeah.
They saw him strangling, uh, James and they were like, Oh shit.
Do we have a good Samaritan in solitary confinement this whole time?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Better to let him free.
Um, Yeah.
And it's like, he's not even fighting them.
He's just on the ground and they're just beating him as punishment.
And it's like everybody in the audience is like cheering.
Yeah, and then that's when James, like, out of anger, I guess, says, uh, I find the accused competent to stand execution.
Yeah.
And signs off!
And it's, and again, it's like, why?
Why would you do this as James?
Like, you should believe that he's a demon now.
Why are you giving him what you want?
Just because you don't like him and you want him, you want him dead, even though he's a demon and can't die?
I'm gonna go ahead and say that if you do believe he's a demon, then if you believe he's possessed, you also believe that person's not competent enough to like do this.
Yeah.
I will say that being possessed has to at least qualify as some sort of mental illness.
You should get disability if you're fucking possessed.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
You should definitely have like some sort of caretaker to make sure your demon doesn't make you do any real fucked up shit.
Yeah, and I think that that caretaker should be properly trained and not a poser priest.
Uh, yeah, he says, I find the accused competent to stand execution.
And that's when Nefarious says, and that's three, James.
Yep.
Three murders.
Yep, got his ass.
Fucked him up.
Um, and then, so now they're in the gallery.
Now they're in the witness gallery waiting for the execution to take place.
Uh, and the man who sits next to James, uh, says, I wanted to thank you, Doc.
I'm detective John Russo.
I spent 10 years chasing this bastard and waiting for this night for another 11.
Now I can go back to worrying about other things.
And it's like, yeah, man, like a cop like has so much on his plate to worry about.
Like we should execute every criminal arrested by a cop so they never had they don't have to worry about him anymore.
It is kind of the thing too, where it's like, okay, yeah, so you did have like one murderous serial killer type person.
That's kind of what we're supposed to assume here.
Yeah.
So I am, that is probably your one that was like real, that maybe does like haunt you.
And you're like in your 25 year career, you just talked about.
Nefarious is like, let Edward experience the execution and he's freaking out and he jumps up against the window.
Like, Parting the blinds you're not supposed to see into the chamber But he runs up to the window and the cop like jumps up and grabs his gun in response To seeing the guy seeing him on the other side of the window.
It's pretty funny And then they get a call from the governor the warden is like hello governor and apparently the governor just says oh, yeah No, it's cool.
Go ahead.
Yeah, I didn't do it.
Just call governor called to say yeah, go for it and then Now it's nefarious again, but he's in the chair and he says, he speaks directly to James and he says, what's your answer, James?
Do you accept my master's offer?
And like, why, why would James say yes?
Like what is like, he's, he's offered him like material wealth.
But it never seemed to be that, what do you call it, enticing for Jane.
He seems like a well-off psychologist.
He's already got 3.6 mil from his mom, you know?
Get the wrong guy!
But also, what does it matter?
Does this verbal contract we're signing right now, does that affect potential publishing?
Because I don't think that's a thing either.
If he decides he wants to do it later on, he can.
He can just do it regardless.
Or how about you just tell one of your demon homies to take care of that later on?
Well, I think he wants to, like, jump into his body right away.
I think he doesn't want to, like, have to hang out in the ether waiting for James to make a decision later.
Yeah, so Nefarious is electrocuted, and it happens exactly like he said it would, except for the stuff they couldn't afford.
Like the eyeballs.
Yeah, and he makes an even crazier face while he's being electrocuted.
He goes full I am Sam.
That was good.
Cause he has the head restraint on.
He's like pulling away from the head restraint in a fashion that is like distorting his face.
Yeah.
And you can tell he's like making himself pretty uncomfortable there.
And it's, it's good.
He did a good job.
Yeah.
He's got like his mouth is foaming and then yeah, it takes another try to kill him.
Um, and then, uh, this time, uh, yeah, there's a bunch more drool.
It's a pretty graphic scene.
It goes on for a while.
When he's finally done, the cop says to James, looks like everybody else, every other dirtbag on the planet just moved up a notch.
I don't know what that means.
Like in rankings of how evil they are.
Because the most evil guy was just killed, therefore the next most evil is now the most evil.
It's seniority, essentially.
That makes sense.
Now dirtbag number two can get a really good route.
Yeah, yeah.
Just before we get to the very end, this part here, we did skip over the most fucked up thing that Nefarious did do to Ed, which is there's a scene where Ed puts in his order for his last meal, which is a well done double cheeseburger, which I think is totally out of character.
And then an extra thick chocolate shake.
And the guard's like, sure, we got you dog, no worries.
And then the guard's leaving, and then the voice changes, and he goes, nope, never mind, I don't want that, don't give me that anymore.
I'm not hungry, I don't want anything.
I'm not hungry.
So then right before he's about to be executed, he's like, wait, my last meal!
And the guard's like, you told me you didn't want that, buddy.
And he's just like, no!
No, I've been bested again by Nefarious.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He makes a big deal about the last meal.
He's like, please don't mess it up.
It's my only comfort is the double cheeseburger.
And like, by that logic, wouldn't, wouldn't it be just as mean to just take over Edward's body when he's about to eat the burger?
Oh yeah, like just throw it on the ground or something?
Yeah, because he never lets Edward out, really.
So... Yeah.
What if he took over Edward and he was like, actually, I'd like the burger medium-rare?
Yeah.
Actually, do you have Beyond Meat back there?
You will have pea protein before you die.
So, they've executed Edward, but now Dr. James hears a voice in his head.
Uh, who says, uh, you should have accepted my offer, James.
Uh, and then James reaches over to the cop and grabs his gun, grabs his gun out of his holster.
Uh, and he starts pointing it at everybody and they're like, put the weapon down.
And James is like, he won't let me.
Uh, and, and one of the guards is like, sir, guns don't kill people.
People kill people.
Put the weapon down.
And then James says, I was wrong about everything!
And puts the gun to his chin and says, God help me.
And then pulls the trigger, but it doesn't fire.
Doesn't fire.
And he pulls it three times.
And I was really bummed about this because I thought we were going to get to see a liberal atheist say, I was wrong about everything and then shoot himself in the head.
Yep.
Yep.
But God spared him.
God doesn't care.
You can be wrong as long as you ask for his help.
God, God, please, please don't let the demon shoot, shoot me in the head.
And God's like, well, you got, you gotta, gotta say pretty please first.
And you're like, okay, I believe in you.
It just now occurred to me that that was God's intervention stopping him from dying.
I thought it was just the demon being really fucking like real fucking mean like real fucked up.
Like really brutal like hazing.
No, I thought it was gonna be, the cop wasn't stupid enough to keep his gun like loaded in an area that wasn't supposed to have guns or something, but no, it's the gun, the bullets literally like just didn't fire because when the, whatever, when the examiners looked at the guns, each, there were, I pulled the trigger three times and there were three strike marks on three bullets.
And then later on, those same bullets fired, no problem.
Yeah, no problem.
Cause I did write, I was like, the gun was empty?
What?
Yeah.
But then I was like, oh no, that's not what it was.
No, he explains all of this one year later on the Glenn Beck Show.
So what changed?
The fact that for a brief time, the entity inhabited me as well.
And again, this entity, I mean, I can hear Christians say, Yeah, entity, fallen spirit, unclean spirit, demon.
It cuts forward one year later to an interview with the Glenn Beck where, yeah, he's a token former atheist, he's a token psychologist who has gone on the Glenn Beck Show to A, hawk the book that he wrote, and B, Testify that as a man of letters and as a man of knowledge and facts, I'm in the best position to say that yes, God is real.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm balanced for this.
Glenn Beck's outfit is wild on this.
He's wearing so many layers.
Wearing so many layers.
Inside in the studio, he's wearing so many layers.
It's like a scarf and a jacket and a sweater and a shirt.
It's so many.
He's wearing like two different types of scarves.
It's crazy.
Yeah, I think it's to cover up his size.
I think he's gotten a little bigger now.
Okay, yeah.
I think he's in his Orson Welles period.
His cozy era.
Wearing a bunch of comfortable clothing, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah, and so James has indeed written the book and published the manuscript, but he's altered it.
He's changed it into a warning.
You know, do not, do not like this book.
This is a bad book.
And now it's a, it's a bestseller.
Yeah, I don't, I didn't understand that.
He's like, No, no, I'm letting them know that this thing they didn't know existed is bad.
Yeah, I don't know.
It's like I put a trigger warning at the beginning of the book, so it's good now.
Yeah.
Essentially.
And so, yeah, you know, this is kind of like One of the best scenes for this actor who's playing the doctor, you know, he kind of does come across as like a humbled, good intentioned doctor who is, you know, admitting fault and admitting that like he's been saved by God.
And he leaves the studio and there's a homeless woman who's like, like pulling out recyclables from from the dumpster.
And he goes up to her to give her a $20 bill and she's a homeless black woman and she turns around and she says, hello, James.
And.
And that's where the movie ends.
Yep, that's it.
And that's why you should never give money to homeless people, because it might be nefarious.
They might be demons.
They might be demons.
You never know.
Not all of them.
Not all of them.
We're just saying some of them.
It's just, it's just, it's just a possibility.
That's what you gotta think about.
I remember the first war.
The way the sky burned.
The faces of angels destroyed.
I saw a third of heaven's legion bashed, and the creation of hell.
I stood for my brothers, all she is in full.
Man, we ran long on this episode, but I really wanted to get to these clips I have from Steve Deese's most recent podcast episode, or at least as of the time when I got these recordings, all about his stay in the hospital for MRSA.
No, this is a really bad infection.
Steve Deese is also like a covid denier.
He's a staunch anti-vaxxer.
And so when he's talking about having to be admitted into the hospital, he's like talking about how overwhelmed the hospital is and how how long the wait was to see a doctor.
Wow.
Talking about the makeshift waiting areas in the front of the building that they had to erect with a tent.
Talking about the gurneys and the beds and the hallway and shit.
And it's like, Yeah, that's you, dude.
You fucking did this.
What are you complaining about?
You got what you wanted, man.
But yeah, so he's crying about his hospital stay.
And I have a few clips.
I didn't get the most embarrassing ones.
I didn't get the ones where he's like complaining about having MRSA because that's pretty bad.
You know, nobody wants MRSA, but I do have some clips here.
MRSA doesn't care about politics.
For the first time, I maybe have not felt in many, many, many years.
Defeat.
I felt like I had been defeated.
And even though the movie opened top ten at the box office last week, I'm being brutally honest, it still opened less than what we had hoped.
I had the most conservative estimate in our management group, our producer group I should say, and It still opened below that and we've all endured so much to bring Nefarious to the screen.
The trials, the ordeals, I've talked about some of those things and you kind of think that you did all this for God and you persevered and he's going to reward it.
What if at the end of this movie it's dedicated to God?
Yeah, yeah.
Dedicated to all the proud warriors for God.
At the end, I thought we would be handsomely rewarded for nefarious, for producing nefarious, but... What's funny, too, is the whole time I was thinking, yeah, the only Christian message here, it is kind of like, don't be like an atheist, for sure.
But there is, it is really just like, hey, demons are real.
Yeah, it is like stamp out evil like a buck in the woods with your hoof.
You know it when you see it.
Yeah, but it didn't really have a conversion thing.
I think they let James off pretty easy, considering he didn't really go full saved.
He did go full saved.
I mean, he's very clearly accepting the existence of God.
Accepting the existence of... Yeah, I guess so.
That's why he's fine, I guess?
Well, he asked God to be saved.
He said, help me God, and that's literally all you have to do.
That is true.
It's true.
You persevered and he's going to reward it.
And it turns out you're wrong.
Where are my riches?
And you kind of think that you did all this for God and you persevered and he's going to reward it.
And I just thought I'd gotten over that the previous weekend.
I was really, really down.
God is like, oh, Steve Deese, you made a movie for me?
Is it, uh, is it Dune II?
Is that the one you made for me?
I'm excited for it.
He's like, uh, no, it's actually called Nefarious.
And God's like, oh, cool.
I'll check it out for sure.
Insidious, right?
Is that the one with the doll comes to life?
Is that the one with the dancing doll?
Is that it?
You know he was in some pretty big movies.
He wasn't a cheap guy to get.
He cost us a lot of money and I just didn't make any of that back.
Man.
Amy called a pastor buddy of ours from out of state.
We called and got me off the ledge and gave me some very vital points that I needed to hear, which I greatly appreciate.
I had my wife call Reverend Lovejoy.
I interrupted him while he was playing with his trains so that I could fucking hassle him.
About my movie didn't get the box office score I wanted it to.
Yeah, Reverend, I'm in just such a dark place.
My new movie has a 7% on Rotten Tomatoes.
I don't know what to do.
That kind of screams to me that this guy's actually not a very good Christian because why did you need an out-of-state pastor?
Yeah.
Interesting.
Yeah.
I think they do their own, uh, their own prayer group.
He talked about like how they have like their fucking holier than thou own prayer group, you know, because they, you couldn't, you can't get what you want, you know, at a real church anymore.
Oh, so the, yeah.
So they didn't have to outsource, outsource a pastor.
Uh, here's another clip from the same episode.
This is the episode, uh, from what, March 24th.
No, April 24th, rather.
It's an hour, it's about 40 minutes.
Maybe worth a listen.
If you really gotta hanker in for some cringe, it's a decent listen.
But here's another clip.
And the Lord said something to me that made me sob.
And every time I think about it, it breaks my heart again.
He said, and this is one of the most plainly worded things I've ever heard him say to me.
Stephen, I need apostles, not assassins.
Wow.
He just broke me in this hallway.
How?
And I cried away.
I have not cried since the night that he saved me.
I need apostles, not assassins. - Yeah, Steve, you were one of my most talented assassins, but I need you to be an apostle instead.
Yeah.
Listen, I wanted to be a really badass assassin, but God said no.
You need to chill.
We need apostles.
I'm really happy, this makes me happy that I do have you edit out every time that I do sob.
Every time you sob and beg the Lord.
Harder than Jordan Peterson ever has.
It's great too because it's like an audio format so he doesn't even we don't even know if he's actually making faces he might just be hitting just the just the sounds of kind of like a cry.
I just I just thought we would crack three million downloads by now.
Okay last clip.
It had pretty wide distribution considering I mean that's yeah tough on the streets bud.
Real demonic activity in our culture the likes of which I believe we have never seen.
At least not out and proud like this.
Oh, the interesting choice of words.
Yeah.
The vast majority of the people that are perpetuating it are broken and lost.
They are not wolves.
They are sheep.
They don't know that the cell door is open.
They can walk out.
So they retreat into the darkness further.
The darkness meaning having a loving same-sex relationship.
Yeah, like you went wolves not sheep.
No, sheep not wolves.
Yeah, sheep not wolves.
You're trying to exit the pen, but also you're trying to enter the darkness.
I love him.
The demon owning Dr. James by saying, you know, there are more slaves in existence than there were in the Roman Empire.
It's, you know, it's also, you know, where there's also a lot of people?
Prison, bro.
You know where there's also a shit ton of people, a historically large amount of people, especially in America?
Prison.
The largest prison population in the existence of humanity.
And yet this seems to be a pretty strong pro-prison movie.
This seems to be an anti-anti-prison movie.
Well, you're talking, yeah, prisons have slave labor, but also like slaves didn't always commit crimes.
So.
Yeah, that's true.
Committed crime, you can be you can instantly be a slave.
Also on that same metaphor.
It wouldn't wouldn't you equate wouldn't you equate like an assassin to a to a wolf and apostle to a sheep?
Yeah, yeah.
He's just everywhere.
He's all over the place.
No, assassin, I think he means like a cool, like a cool Christian for assassin.
Like, I think he means like a public brawler, like somebody who's going to like eviscerate the woke left, you know, on Twitter or in his podcast or whatever.
I think that's what he means by assassin.
An apostle is definitely a sheep though.
Right.
An assassin would be a sheep dog.
An assassin would be a sheepdog, whereas, yeah, an apostle would be a sheep.
And this is why, this is why, and this is what I think you need to hear most of all.
Most of all!
This guy's speech patterns are fascinating to me.
The Lord senses us losing hope.
He senses that we are losing hope, that we are about to let go of the rope. - I'm sorry, like, I'm not trying to denigrate faith in general, religion in general, but like, how can you look at a gay person and be like, that's mental illness, bro.
And then at the same time, you're like, the Lord, he senses my weakness.
He's trying to save me, but I'm refusing to be, I'm refusing to leave the cell door.
Yeah.
I promise you, like, you know, being excited about a wiener is like way more normal than whatever you're experiencing.
I've never wanted to beat somebody up more than while listening to this guy's podcast.
This guy's like the most Eeyore-esque little bitch.
Don't put this man on Eeyore.
This guy's such a fucking Debbie Downer Ned Flanders character.
It's insane.
It's so bad.
That we don't trust in his justice anymore or his timing anymore.
He knows we are besieged.
He knows we are discouraged.
He knows we are besieged.
And the thing that he most wanted me to share with all of you listening is don't lose hope.
I looked down on my watch.
It was 11 o'clock.
Two hours had gone by.
Since when?
For what?
So while he's recovering from I think it was allergic reaction he had to the antibiotics that treated his MRSA because he's back in the hospital now they had to fucking airlift his ass out of the hotel he was staying like they sent a helicopter I think and everything.
Yeah, he had already talked about how overcrowded this hospital was, and that he finally got a room, and it was a room at the end of the hall, kind of all by himself, so he could have visitors and everything like that, and his wife left.
But he was in pain or discomfort, but he needed to walk around.
God was telling him to walk around.
And so even though he was supposed to be under observation and bed rest and all of that, he decided to get up and walk around, and nobody stopped him.
Nobody's told him to go back to his room.
And this is like a supposed sign from God that pacing the hallways was like what he needed to experience.
And it's like, no, again, they're just severely understaffed.
They can't babysit you, man.
Yeah, exactly.
Babysitting is exactly the words that came to mind.
What are you doing?
Yeah.
So he's just saying that like two hours have passed and nobody has told him to stop commiserating with God.
Hey, keep it down out there.
He's crying in the hallway.
Hey, you know, we we all have kind of fucked up relationships with God.
All right, buddy.
You don't hear me telling you mine.
Do you know how many people I've seen die here?
Oh, man.
What are you talking about?
Yeah.
God's not here, buddy.
All right.
Yeah.
I know there is someone listening to this right now and you are thinking, I I'm never going to win my spouse back.
Don't lose hope.
What?
Keep doing good.
What?
Don't lose hope.
She's coming back.
Keep bothering her.
Listen, when my wife was like, hey bud, this is like the fifth time you've gotten MRSA.
This is on you now.
What's going on?
I just want a month without a staph infection.
I need you to shower more.
I need you to stop rolling around on the gym mats.
Just refuses to wash his hands.
Oh my God.
He's crying.
He's not crying.
We're making fun of him for crying and that's wrong because he's not crying for him.
He's crying for the listener who is getting divorced.
The listener whose wife won't talk to him anymore.
I know there is someone listening to this right now and you are thinking, I'm never going to win my spouse back.
I also feel there's someone listening to this who's never going to get their spouse back.
I also have that sneaking suspicion.
Yeah.
Don't lose hope.
Don't lose hope.
Keep doing good.
Yeah.
The Lord senses that we are about to get blackpilled, that we will cease doing good.
Somebody listening has, they have a child questioning their gender identity, sexuality.
You've tried to reach out and they push you away.
The Lord says, don't lose hope.
Don't stop doing good.
Don't stop.
Yeah.
I mean, any like sympathy you could have for this guy is, is pretty compromised at, at this point.
Um, you've tried to, you're, you have a child who's, uh, questioning their sexuality or gender identity.
You've tried to reach out to them, uh, by telling them no.
That's like, how do you, quote, try to reach out to your child?
You should already be there with your child in that situation.
The fact that you have to try to reach out means you've already put some distance between yourself and your queer kid.
Yeah.
I don't know why it took me so long to do this, but I just looked up what Steve Deese looks like.
Uh-huh.
And it makes it so much funnier imagining him whimpering.
It's pretty bad.
He, at one point in this episode, I don't think it's in this clip, at one point he starts crying and says the name of his middle school bully.
Oh no.
Oh no.
He's like, I tried, I tried to exit the cell door, but I'm still, I'm back there.
I'm the same kid in middle school getting, getting called fat, getting called fat by Billy.
Can we, can we find, can we find the bully and thank him?
Yeah.
Or, or, or shame him for not doing a better job.
He looks kind of like a third Chris Farley brother.
He just like... It's the... It's the... It's the... Imagining this guy whining is what makes it hard.
He looks like a literal baby.
He looks like... He looks like someone who's... Yeah, he looks like someone who's probably going to be bullied unfortunately.
But hearing him cry like this just makes sense.
Because that's what he told me.
I don't need you to produce a movie.
It's great, but I don't need you to do that.
It's fine.
I just need you to keep doing good.
Just...
Keep doing good things.
Yeah, keep doing good things, folks.
Keep doing good things.
Keep making movies.
Keep enriching our lives with this stuff.
Keep podcasting.
God did say exactly that, though.
God's like, no, really, no, I really don't need you to produce a movie.
Yeah.
Like, just do any good stuff.
Do anything good.
Just do anything good.
You don't have... I promise you, movies are the last thing on my list that I'm looking for you to do.
Listen, the theaters are already having a hard time.
Yeah.
They don't need one of your movies.
Right?
What if someone sees this on accident, and then they just don't go back to the movies again?
Have you thought about that?
Okay, thanks for listening, folks.
Thank you to Ani for joining us and for watching this movie.
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We're going to be celebrating various victories, including some dramatic irony catching up with a prominent anti-abortion activist,
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They really didn't appreciate that.
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There God stood and saw what was good and said ashes to ashes in dust.
Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
Thus he gave birth and he crawled up on the dirt and stood up and took a look around.
He said, I'm the next big thing to get for thy brain.
Comes directly from God, ain't no holdin' me down.
So he crowned himself king, now no one remembers his name.
But the seed that he sowed took the show and wrote.
Now there's blood on their hands and a plague on the land.
They drew a line in the sand and made the last stand.
