The things that are happening in Netherlands or Gaza or Ukraine, Panama, or there in Venezuela.
It's all the same war.
I mean, okay, so let's just assume, using that word, that Maduro actually was picked up and he's actually in New York, right?
All they've done is what?
They haven't toppled the government.
They took the top leaf off of a tree.
That's it.
The tree is completely intact.
In fact, the entire jungle is intact.
It's hard to tell with Trump.
He's not exactly acting in our best interest.
And that's quite clear.
He's a gangster.
All right.
Welcome, everybody, to this emergency interview with Michael Jan in the aftermath of Trump's invasion of Venezuela and the kidnapping or arrests, if you want to take that angle, of Maduro and his wife with lots and lots of implications for oil, for silver, for rare earths, for Western hemisphere projection of power, China, and much more.
So welcome, Michael.
Thanks for joining me at this late hour.
Thanks, Michael.
And as you can imagine, the world's getting more and more exciting.
Yeah, it didn't take long for the new year, huh?
Yeah, Masako and I are with Catherine Austin Fitz here in Netherlands at the moment and watching this with great interest because, as you know, it's all related.
The things that are happening in Netherlands or Gaza or Ukraine, Panama, or there in Venezuela, it's all the same war.
There's different faces of it, but it's all the same war.
You know that very, very well.
Well, and it keeps coming back to what you have often cited as routes and resources.
And, you know, Venezuela, because of its location, has the ability to harass U.S. ships moving in and out of the Gulf, as well as ships that are at least en route to the Panama Canal.
So give us your assessment of why, I mean, regardless of the illegality of it for the moment, but tell us why do you think, what are Trump's strategic reasons for this action against Venezuela?
It's hard to tell with Trump what was his strategic reasons for pushing the death jab into Americans and other people all over the world.
I mean, because, you know, he's not exactly acting in our best interest.
And that's quite clear.
He's a gangster.
I mean, that's quite clear as well.
And so now, long term with, I mean, okay, so let's just assume, using that word, that Maduro actually was picked up and he's actually in New York, right?
And that in that, I mean, so, you know, because we know that they lie about big stuff all the time, like really big stuff.
So who knows, right?
Here we are with the Cartesian thing, you know.
And so if you, if they do have Maduro, or if he's actually the one that's going to be put on trial, or if they didn't, you know, whisk him off and have him torturing him somewhere right now for information and maybe have some look-alike go on trial for him.
I have no idea, right?
Because nothing is beyond them because everything's a movie.
Right.
But all they've done is what?
They haven't toppled the government.
They took the top leaf off of a tree.
That's it.
The tree is completely intact.
In fact, the entire jungle is intact, right?
So they took one guy out and his wife, and that's it.
The rest of the, you know, killed a few with the bombs and that sort of thing, more than a few, but an unknown number of people they killed.
But at the end of the day, Venezuela is completely like it was before this, except that, you know, except that some are probably happy and some are probably pretty angry.
But the same government is still in place.
So what to make of that?
Yeah, so, well, that brings up so many questions.
So Trump says that he's going to, or that we, the United States, we're going to run Venezuela now for a while.
And, you know, I'm thinking, how?
You can't run Venezuela unless you militarily occupy it because it's more than just the leader, as you just said.
It's more than just one guy at the top.
It's a whole infrastructure.
It's a culture.
There are factions.
There are ways of doing things in every culture.
And those things are going to continue, right?
I mean, what is Trump imagining is going to happen from here?
I mean, obviously, he's not going to run Venezuela, period.
It's just not going to happen.
And he constantly says things that are just untrue.
Like, for instance, we've taken back Panama.
We're taking back Panama has not been taken back.
You know, it's just not.
And I'm there all the time.
And I get constant reports from Panama when I'm not there.
It's just China is still slowly filling the bathtub on Panama.
And we definitely need to push back.
You know, China is not omnipotent or omniscient.
They are vulnerable, but we just left the vacuum.
They filled it easily, right?
But when it comes to Venezuela, it's a perfect storm.
The only thing that's missing is massive ideology disputes.
Well, except there are a lot of communists there as well.
But when it comes to routes and resources, Venezuela is quite rich.
As you know, one of the richest countries on planet Earth.
And it happens to be in our neighborhood as well.
And as you know, you talk about these things all the time, that losing the dollar as the reserve currency, it's slipping away.
And if that oil is being exported to China and they're doing transactions in Yuan, I mean, that's a big deal.
These things add up over time, right?
So there's more to this than meets the eye.
It has nothing to do with drugs, as you very well know.
That's just complete nonsense.
But again, Trump's constantly saying things that just are just fantastically untrue, like taking credit for a peace agreement, peace treaty between Cambodia and Thailand.
He had zero to do with that.
You know, I'm pretty dialed in in Thailand.
I wrote the last two pages of one of the prime minister's books, right?
You know, I had tea with him a few months ago in Bangkok, right?
I mean, I'm pretty dialed into what's going on over there.
He had nothing to do with that, right?
But he's constantly taking credit, like, you know, we're going to run Venezuela.
You're not going to run Venezuela.
Venezuela can't even run itself.
We can't run California, and we're talking about going over there.
You know, this is the typical, well, it's gangsterville.
Of course, there is a huge amount of resources there.
Some of them certainly could be siphoned off.
But, you know, if they really go for the oil and the Venezuelans truly don't want it, then, you know, they can certainly sabotage anything.
We saw that happen in Iraq.
I remember huge dark clouds of smoke coming over when infrastructure was, it was massive.
It was like out of a movie.
You know, it's like unbelievable.
When you actually see that happen, it really almost doesn't look real.
Just massive black smoke.
You know, of course, they could easily do that if they perceive that we're stealing their oil.
I don't know what's going to happen.
Nobody does.
Now, keep in mind, China, Russia, Iran, Cuba, everybody there are buddies with Venezuela, right?
So in that regard, it's a perfect storm while China is clearly moving in hardcore into the Gulf of America.
I will call it that.
Even as kids, we wanted to call it that.
So that's not a new name.
But, you know, China's got a giant embassy off of the coast of Florida over in the Bahamas, right?
They're moving all over the place in there.
They're, you know, filling up the bathtub there in Panama and Ecuador.
They're really moving in.
And now, you know, the fight over the resources, again, this is the same war that's unfolding over in Iran.
It's the same war that, you know, where Israel just acknowledged the existence or recognize the sovereignty, I think, is what they actually did for Somaliland.
And many people are asking me, why did Israel do that?
But if you look on a map, you can know that answer in just a couple seconds.
Somaliland is on the horn of Africa and it's for control of the Red Sea, right?
And so obviously next door to that is Djibouti, where China has people.
We've got people there.
Japan does, many people do.
Djibouti is right.
And then Eritrea next to that, of course.
So, I mean, if you want to control, if you're going to open a Ben-Gurion Canal and operate this, because they want to take the Suez Canal, the Zionists want to take Suez Canal, which will be, you know, going to have to fight Egypt for that, obviously, and others.
And by the way, that's why nobody's, that's why you don't see China or Russia, you know, putting up a big fight about what Israel is doing to Gaza.
They don't want them there either.
Gaza, they just, they have no friends, are being genocided, right?
So this is all, but again, it's all the same war.
You know, what's going on with Iran and the trip route up there between Turkey and Armenia and Azerbaijan, it's all the same thing.
It's routes and resources and ideology.
And, you know, just the other day, Masako and I, we were at Rotterdam looking at this side of the Chinese railroad that comes all the way to Rotterdam and Netherlands, which is the biggest port in Europe, all the way over to Shanghai.
I've been on that side too.
I mean, this is all these routes are being built up all over the world.
And so it's a struggle, you know, who's going to end up controlling the new Silk Road at the bottom line.
And as you can see, though, Trump is just not a serious guy.
He's basically a boy in an old man's body, right?
He's never been a serious man.
He's just always been in positions to do things, right?
He's an easy toy.
Well, hold on.
Let me counter that because I think his supporters right now would say that his invasion of Venezuela proves he is a serious man, that he's actually taking action, although it's obviously illegal under the UN Charter, etc.
But they would say that that proves he's serious.
Now, I want you to ask me, yeah, but here's my question: Is the U.S. condemned Russia for the attack on Ukraine in 2022, saying that was an unprovoked war of aggression?
Well, couldn't Venezuela say the same thing right now that the U.S. invasion of Venezuela is an unprovoked war of aggression?
And then can't China point to that and say, well, this gives us permission to take Taiwan and the U.S. can't say anything about it.
Yeah, I mean, obviously they can use those.
Now, again, keep in mind, we only took Maduro and his wife, right?
So basically, we took one leaf off the top of a great redwood tree, right?
You know, it's the whole structure is still there.
The whole army is still there.
The whole everybody, all the gangsters, all the business people, everybody who normally does business there, they're still there.
There's no change.
Keep in mind, I spent two years in Iraq and two years in Afghanistan watching that for four years watching this.
Those were much easier nuts to crack than Venezuela, like by far, right?
And we see how those played out.
And, you know, I saw these governments in a box being installed.
I wrote about it many times.
That's what they called it, government in a box.
You go take them out and put a new government in.
And, but, you know, like in city level, province level, that sort of thing.
But it, it, but it never, I mean, there is no government in a box for Venezuela.
I'm not sure what their plan is, even if they even have a plan.
But it's clear that there's more action to come.
That much is obvious.
I can see that from various as an example, there's clearly been an information war about Margarita Island, which I've mentioned many times over the last few years.
Margarita Island is an island off the north of Venezuela.
It's over closer to Trinidad and Tobago in that area, closer to Guiana, that side, right?
And so, not really that close, but that direction and northeast.
And so there's been an information war there for years, talking about how Hezbollah and Hamas are there, right?
Now, in my study of information war, which is, you know, last has been going on for years, one thing I've noticed is these wars, they always radiate information.
They radiate it quite brightly, actually.
I've never seen a war just start from out of the blue, like with no clues whatsoever, right?
It rumbles and it, you know, it smokes and belches and finally some war kicks off.
But you can see clearly targeted information war against Venezuela.
And specifically, I see him constantly talking about Margarita Island.
For instance, it's been said by our intelligence people that a guy who was the mastermind of a bombing in Panama in when was that 1992-ish killed maybe 21 passengers coming from Cologne to Panama City.
I'm sorry on the details, but that's close to right.
But the passengers were mostly Jewish, right?
In fact, I know one of the relatives, he's a friend of mine down in Panama.
He's a Jewish man in Panama.
One of his relatives was killed.
Two of his relatives were killed on the flight.
But I mean, Jewish people definitely were killed on that flight.
And then there was another attack within roughly 24 hours down in Argentina.
And how many of that killed?
Maybe 80?
I'm sorry.
I've forgotten.
It was a lot.
It was a big attack down in Argentina.
But those happen back to back.
Now, I haven't, now, when you really push for proof that any Hezbollah were involved, it really doesn't present itself.
But it's said that the Hezbollah mastermind who was involved in the bombing in Panama in that component, that he was a member of Hezbollah and that he was running a bar on Margarita Island, right?
And so, well, that's interesting.
Why, if he was running a bar on Margarita Island and we know it, why didn't we do something, right?
And I asked that directly to a pretty serious guy, and he's like, well, you know, he didn't have an answer.
You know, it's just one of those.
And so in any case, just a couple of weeks ago, I noticed that there was some more information war on against Margarita Island.
If you look up Margarita Island and you'll see that Fox News, just a couple of weeks ago, I noticed they were talking about Hamas and Hezbollah, Margarita Island.
What I'm getting to is that is a clear indicator that we're going to do something on Margarita Island, right?
That they keep talking about it.
They keep pecking on it.
And so, you know, I wouldn't doubt if we end up seeing troops on the ground there, they might set up some fob or something, you know, Ford Operating Base and Margarita Island.
I don't know.
But watching the information wars like this, as I've been watching for years, when you see that sort of information radiating, you know something's cooking up.
Keep in mind, Venezuela and the United States have been at war with each other for a long time.
This is nothing new.
Things have been going on and a lot of things behind the scenes.
If you look up, you know, Americans arrested in Venezuela, you'll see some former soldiers got arrested there, special operations guys.
You know, it wasn't a coincidence.
There's a lot more going on back and forth.
Keep in mind, Venezuelans have a lot of banking that's done in Panama, right?
Venezuela, Panama is thick with Venezuelan money.
All this stuff is connected, you know, in Nicaragua as well.
And so that's a package deal.
When you talk about Nicaragua and Cuba and Venezuela, that's a package deal.
And of course, many Venezuelans are in Colombia.
Masako and I and Chuck Holton went down there, I don't know, four years ago or so looking at that or five years ago now.
And, you know, go ahead, sir.
Well, but all this leads me to, I mean, I have to ask you, how far do you think Trump is going to take this?
You know, he's talking about Colombia.
He's threatening the president of Mexico verbally.
He hasn't yet talked about many other countries, but is Trump going to have the U.S. Empire invade and try to occupy and run half of South America?
You know, my best advisor is my intuition, right?
Which I've been feeding for years.
And, you know, I just feed it with information and go see things.
What I, my intuition, and I think it's backed up by a lot of evidence, is that Trump, of course, he's a Zionist.
When I first started saying that a long time ago, people are like, ah, how can you say that?
And now he admits to it.
Okay.
It's very obvious.
He doesn't hide it.
He admits to it.
So anyway, he's a Zionist.
And as a Zionist, he doesn't care about the United States.
He pushed the death jab.
That's all anybody needs to know about that.
This is 2026.
He's still sticking to it.
Fauci didn't fool him.
Right.
You know, now we can go apparently kidnap Maduro, if that's true, but can't get Fauci or the Epstein stuff or the Epstein list, right?
He's okay, right?
Big, capable guy.
And so at the end of the day, it's crystal clear he's actively destroying the United States, actively, not just through incompetence.
He's using active measures to destroy the United States.
It's obvious.
And spreading yourself out, fighting everybody under the sun.
That's a great way to destroy your country.
You know, a lot of Americans still seem to think that we've got this World War II army, you know, that we can like produce an aircraft carrier every two weeks or something.
You know what I mean?
It's not like that, right?
And the problem set is much larger now.
It's much more sophisticated.
And the people that are allegedly running our country are not that sophisticated.
They're not that sophisticated at all.
I mean, they're sophisticated enough to push things like Bitcoin.
You know, they're sophisticated enough to do massive fraud and push death jabs into people.
But when it comes to dealing with this very sophisticated global environment, they're just not that guy.
They're gangsters, right?
They seem to behave.
They don't seem to think several layers deep.
They're just clearly doing things that will destroy the United States.
That's what I see from Trump.
Operating with that paradigm, everything I see Trump do, I'm never surprised.
He doesn't surprise me at all.
Let me counter that, though.
Again, a lot of Trump supporters would say at this point that, no, he's protecting America from China's influence in the region, and he is shoring up America's energy supply because obviously we're going to go in and loot all the oil.
I mean, Trump's already announced big oil is going to move in, and we're going to loot the silver mines and the copper mines and whatever else.
I mean, basically, to me, it looks like a pillaging operation plus piracy of the oil tankers.
But a lot of Trump people would say, well, that's good for America.
I mean, they're cheering for the pillaging and the piracy at this point.
They really are.
But why are they wrong, aside from the ethical and moral implications, aren't they correct about the fact that looting other countries is profitable for America?
Straight up.
I mean, that's plunder.
That's, you know, that's straight up.
Actually, that's a war crime plunder.
It's, I mean, unequivocal.
But, you know, when I was in Iraq, you know, I spent a couple of years there.
And one Iraqi doctor that I had dinners and lunches with at the time, his name was Dr. Morad Murad.
He was a cardiologist.
In fact, he was like an assistant cardiologist for Saddam Hussein, actually.
And he told me a lot of stories.
But, you know, what I, you know, having dinner with him at times at his house in Baghdad, and Dr. Murad talked about how I asked him about the invasion of Kuwait at one point.
And he goes, you know, when Saddam invaded, he's like, we didn't like Saddam.
I'm like, you're his cardiologist.
He was assistant, actually.
He goes, yeah, well, I didn't really like him.
But when he invaded Kuwait, when Saddam invaded Kuwait and suddenly he said, we had many cars and new cars.
We had new televisions and chocolates.
I remember he threw out the chocolates thing and candies.
He was very happy.
He's like, Iraqis, they loved it because we looted Kuwait, right?
And then he said, then the sanctions came and then we hated Saddam again.
You know, it's just like, you're just totally, you know, bragging about we looted Kuwait, you know, and I remember how I thought about that, right?
You know, like that's a gangster.
And that's what we're doing in many places now, right?
Look at Gaza.
Gaza is straight up hardcore genocide, unequivocal, right?
And yet people will explain that away and they'll say, well, that's Hamas or whatever.
It's like, yeah, all those Christians too.
No, it's obviously not.
It's not like everybody there is Hamas.
It's just not.
And also, October 7th was clearly a false flag.
Very obviously, the Zionists were involved with killing Zionists.
Very obviously, Zionists were involved with killing Jews and non-Jews who were at that party, that drug party, right?
I mean, very obviously.
And yet people still will pretend that didn't happen.
But it's a big real estate.
It's a grab.
It's a smashing grab.
There's the real estate in Gaza, which is very valuable.
And then there's the energy off of Gaza, which you well know about.
And eventually control over Suez, which is a big, big deal.
That may take a generation.
I don't know how long it'll take.
No idea.
And then there's, of course, Somaliland and Djibouti.
And Djibouti must be taking note right now.
If they're acknowledging Somaliland and they're fighting, keep in mind, I've said many, many times, I've said with you too, Michael, that Zionists and China are fighting each other hardcore.
A lot of people think that it's America and China, but it's actually Zionist in China and some Americans, right?
And so because Trump's Zionist.
He's a Zionist party.
That's a meta structure.
It doesn't actually have a country.
And so they are fighting.
So keep in mind, China has people in Djibouti, right next to Somaliland.
Something will end up happening there as well because China is not going to be welcome there, right?
And China, of course, is trying to take Diego Garcia using United Nations to take Diego Garcia and give it to Mauritius.
There's these fights that are going on all over the place.
So, you know, it's quite fascinating to watch this unfold, but it could get quite serious at any point.
Because again, like you mentioned before, Taiwan.
As you know, I was just recently in Taiwan, and Misako and I were because of the same things.
That's what we're, you know, the same situation.
Obviously, if China really goes for Taiwan, which they're clearly lining up to do, they're going to have to go for Okinawa, too, which is Japan, right?
Because it doesn't do you any good to take Taiwan if you don't take Okinawa at all, right?
You got to go for the whole package.
So China's doing a big information war to take Okinawa, and they've been doing it for a long time.
So they frame Okinawa as the Ryuku Kingdom and an old kingdom called Ryuku.
Actually, it was also called Luchu.
And that, you know, the Chinese claim that the Japanese stole Ryuku.
Of course, Misako, my wife, is from Okinawa, and she's like, I'm Japanese.
I'm not from Ryuku Kingdom.
I'm not Chinese because Chinese are also trying to make the Okinawans think that they're Chinese, right?
Information war is quite powerful.
And so China is clearly setting the table so that they can eventually attack Okinawa and say that they're liberating it from Japan.
And most Japanese don't see this.
Some do, but not enough.
And that's why I wrote those three books on information war that are only in Japanese, right?
China is clearly lining up to attack Japan, not just Okinawa, not just Taiwan, right?
So this war is global.
Everything that we're seeing from all these windmills that are around here and that are in Texas and all across Germany.
And, you know, all this stuff is part of the same war, right?
Like, you know, reduced, like, for instance, here in Europe, Europe, you know, they blew up Nord Stream.
Of course, the United States did that, either that or it was space aliens.
And closing down Groningen Gasfield, which is not far from me, you know, and invading these places with weaponized.
Look, let's talk about the invasions.
Zionists, there is one component of this huge invasion complex.
IOM from the United Nations is the big component, International Organization for Migration.
But another large component is HIAS, Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society.
They have an office in Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Panama.
I used to eat breakfast with the highest people down in the Darien.
They have an office that's unmarked up in Panama City at the Ciudad del Saber, completely unmarked.
It took some effort to find it, but it's right there in the city of Knowledge in Panama City.
And they have an office in Costa Rica, Mexico, United States, and many other countries.
If you go to highest.org, H-A-I-S.org, you can see that they're bragging about bringing more than 100,000 Venezuelans out of Venezuela who ended up going mostly to the United States.
So they're bragging.
That's with a lot of American money.
Now, you can't, that's straight up hardcore Zionist invading the United States.
And, you know, one lady, she was wearing a, she's a fake Holocaust survivor.
She's an elderly lady.
She's claimed that she's a Holocaust survivor.
It was completely debunked.
And anyway, she's wearing a highest little button in one of her photos.
And she actually got attacked by somebody.
I think it was in Colorado.
I think somebody burned her.
It was one of the invaders, actually burned her.
So Hias, she's wearing the button, big old highest supporter.
One of the invaders comes in and burned her.
You can look up, you know, Jewish lady burned in, I think, Colorado, and you can see her wearing that tag.
And then she's claiming it was anti-Semitism.
It's like, you're wearing the highest tag.
You're the one that helped them get in, right?
And you're a fake dollar.
Called her out.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's right.
And so this is the kind of stuff that they're doing.
They're literally invading our country and then claiming to be victims of the attackers.
You can't make up this stuff.
Professional victims are always predators.
Okay.
So, but I'm still trying to make sense of where this goes or what this means.
So we both agreed that the U.S. can't run Venezuela.
No.
So, and if you try to occupy it with troops, it becomes a Vietnam guerrilla warfare, lots of body bags for American troops coming back.
You know, that's a nightmare.
That would end Trump's presidency probably.
So they're not going to do that.
So they're not going to run it.
They're not going to occupy it.
What are they going to do?
Just coerce with naval blockades and threats of bombing and trying to force the next person in line to basically betray Venezuelans and Kowtau to American demands?
They'll probably just go full gangster, you know, threaten people, kill people, and pay off people.
But again, I want to go back to something that's quite obvious.
Trump is clearly an agent to destroy the United States.
So there's nothing off the table.
There's nothing off the table.
I mean, the death jabs is all anybody needs to see to see that.
And so many other things, but the death jabs, he's clearly destroying the United States.
And now people say, well, he stopped the immigration.
Well, did he?
He handed out a bunch of visas, right?
And how many visas is it now between Chinese and Indians?
I don't even know.
It's some large number.
And of course, they're going to keep it.
They're not going to advertise that they're still flooding them in, which they are.
And so at the end of the day, nothing is off the table, right?
And the GOP leadership is funding billions of dollars for new migrants to come in.
That's from Speaker Johnson in the House.
The GOP, huh?
The GOP, yeah.
I mean, that's been in the news the last couple of days.
They are approving billions of dollars of funding from migrant relief funds.
So they're just picking up the same migration that happened before, but now they're rubber stamping it to make it quasi-legal.
They're clearly destroying our country and with intent.
It's not incompetence.
Incompetence can't explain all of this.
It's too methodical.
It's too obvious, right?
At some point, it's just not incompetence.
It is the plan.
For instance, Trump trying to continuing to push the ball down the road on making marijuana legal across the United States, right?
Just another, that's Soros.
Trump is straight up Soros policy guy.
Look, if you look at Trump, what he does and what Soros wanted, that's what he's doing, right?
Now, there's still people that'll go, oh, you can't say that about St. Trump.
Why?
It's true.
It's straight up true, right?
And he's, you know, that's what Trump is, Soros is all about, open borders, which Trump is doing with visas, right?
And pushing dope all over the place.
You look at this place.
You look at Amsterdam.
You know, I'm in the Netherlands, right?
You go to Amsterdam, dope heads everywhere.
It's like Washington, D.C.
It's as bad as San Francisco or Los Angeles.
Just absolute dope heads everywhere, right?
And probably 50% aliens from other, you know, just from all over the place, except from Amsterdam, right?
And some of the Dutch people say they can go all day in Amsterdam and hardly speak Dutch because they have to speak other languages like German, luckily, or not German or English, right?
Luckily, Dutch usually speak three or four or even five languages because they're going to need them.
And Luxembourg next door is already gone.
You know, Misako and I, we went over there and that country's more, the entire country is more than 50% invaders.
So let's talk about the currency effects then, because clearly what Trump did to Venezuela, it's been denounced by most of the world's population in terms of the national leaders like China and Russia.
I haven't heard India comment on it, but I don't imagine they're happy about it.
Isn't this going to accelerate the move away from U.S. dollar use in transactions and settlements?
It's just going to accelerate BRICS settlement systems.
You know, I had dinner with Catherine Austin Fitz tonight, or now it's last night because it's after midnight.
And we brought this up.
You know, I was like, you know, what do you because she knows a lot more about that world than I do.
And, you know, and she thinks it'll slow down the, or let's say it could slow down the reduction in reliance on the dollar, but ultimately it's still going that direction.
Actually, she's the best one to ask.
But as you know, if Venezuela is exporting oil to China and they're doing transactions in Yuan, obviously that reduces the reliance on the U.S. dollar.
The U.S. dollar, we have methodically destroyed our own dollar.
Let's say who, not necessarily we, but whoever has been in charge of those dollars have weaponized the dollars.
They just keep printing them like they're going out of style.
And I mean, they're doing the normal thing.
Mike, you're the out of all people on planet Earth, you probably talked about this more than anybody.
You and G. Edward Griffin, he's had a head start.
I mean, you know what I mean?
He's probably talked about it more because he's a lot older.
But I mean, but otherwise, you're catching up fast.
I mean, you know, this is what they've done.
They've just printed it out of existence, or it's not out of existence, but it's going that direction.
Right, right.
Well, and we see that.
And we also see that gold and silver continue to skyrocket in terms of dollar denominations.
But this move in Venezuela, this cuts off China from the silver supply in Venezuela.
There's also a gold supply that comes out of the country.
And then China has put export restrictions on silver and obviously rare earths.
So it seems to me, Michael, that we're looking at now a splitting of commodities into two hemispheres here.
We're going to have Western gold and silver markets and supply chains and pricing, and then we're going to have Eastern or Chinese-based gold and silver and metals and totally different pricing, totally different supply chains.
Seems like it's going that direction.
What do you think?
Yeah.
I mean, if you look at the Shanghai, you know, physical silver price compared to, you know, COMEX, there's a pretty big spread.
I mean, right now, I'm going to guess it's probably six bucks at the moment, somewhere around there, right?
Is that right?
And some days it's more.
Yeah.
How's the arbitrage not like fix that instantly?
I don't even know.
Because nobody can get physical out of London.
That's why.
Yeah.
And keep in mind, by the way, I've seen video, I don't know if they're legit, of Chinese buying 15 kilogram bars of silver, just huge numbers of them.
I saw your post on that, yeah.
The dude was stacking them like bricks.
Yeah.
And, you know, China has an old history with silver.
Silver, I mean, they have a very intricate and intimate history with silver.
I mean, you know, the Ming and the Qing dynasties rose and fell on silver.
China, I mean, the history of silver in China is absolutely fascinating.
They're not just gold people.
They know about gold very, very well, but they also are very intimate with silver.
Silver has, you know, with the Chinese actually has sort of some spiritual significance as well.
I mean, they're very into silver.
Of course, the Spanish, when they were getting silver out of Peru, they were pumping that right over to, you know, through Manila and other places over into, you know, because China didn't want any Western products back in the old days and still don't really want that much, it seems like.
But they wanted that silver.
So, you know, the only way that the Europeans could get products out of China was to pay in silver.
They wanted to be paid in silver.
So that was, you know, it's quite fascinating.
The more you know about the history of China and silver, at a time, for a time, they said, you know, silver is China's gold and very well could be again.
There was a one-to-one silver to gold at that time, somewhere in that region, like one-to-one.
Can you imagine?
Well, look, so let me ask a follow-up question.
So there's a story out of Scottsdale Mint.
U.S. secures silver smelter deal to process these metals.
It's financed by JP Morgan, 40% owned by the U.S. Department of Defense.
And it's KoreaZinc is going to have a $7 billion investment in Clarksville, Tennessee to build a silver and other metals smelting operation just in time for the pillaging of Venezuela.
I would think it's like, you know, and to be owned by the Department of Defense.
I wonder if they'll take the ore straight up from Venezuela because China does that in some places like Panama.
They'll just load the ore up and take it over to China to get what they want out of it.
I wonder what their plan is with that.
I don't know.
But it's clear that they're planning to pillage Venezuela.
That's quite obvious.
Yeah, but I mean, have you ever heard of the DOD taking an interest in a metal smelting operation before?
That is the very definition of fascism, actually.
Literally, when industry is so commingled with the government that they're indistinguishable, that's actual fascism.
As you know, the word fascism, fascia, like the stuff that keeps our body together, and the fascicles that bind a book or that keep a broom together, that's the fascism, to basically combine, right?
And that's why that's where that word fascism came from.
But that is literally fascism.
I mean, we're already fascist.
And actually, pretty much every country I've ever been to is fascist on some level.
Some are just more than others.
And at some point, they truly just fuse into each other.
The vine and the tree become one.
And, you know, obviously the United States has long past that point where, you know, pharma basically owns the people that regulate them.
You know, that's literally fascism.
I've described the U.S. as a pharma state where people say, well, they said Colombia is a narco-state.
Then America, well, the United States is a pharma state.
And Trump is the head of the pharma cartel because he brings in Burla and the head of Pfizer and all they come into the White House.
They get the red carpet treatment.
They get the special handouts.
They get excused from any of the tariffs on drugs as long as they're building manufacturing plants for their drugs in America.
So Trump wants to have more drugs produced, more pharmaceuticals, more vaccines domestically, giving them all kinds of tax breaks for doing that.
I mean, isn't Trump, I mean, he's the leader of a pharma state.
The nominal leader, I mean, he's a leaf on a tree as well.
You know, he's in the autumn.
You know, he's an autumn leaf.
He won't be there much longer, and then somebody will replace him.
Keep in mind, he's part of an organizational structure, and he's basically just a leaf on a tree, just like Maduro.
They can come and go.
Trump will come and go.
Maduro will come and go.
But those organizational structures are still there.
G will come and go.
The Chinese Communist Party will probably live on.
And we'll have to actually wait and see, because things do eventually, everything has a life cycle.
But it's very clear that Trump is just a condom for his bosses.
Well, I've never heard him described that way.
But it is, I've never heard so many former Trump supporters express disappointment with Trump's actions as I'm hearing now.
And I think part of this is because we're coming up on one year of Trump being in power.
And the big things that he promised have not, or most of them have not happened.
We haven't seen arrests of Fauci.
We haven't seen the Epstein files released.
Yeah.
You know, these are big deals.
What about all the traitors who rigged the 2020 election?
What about the traitors who ran the Russia collusion hoax against Trump?
Right.
We can go arrest Maduro, but we can't arrest Fauci.
Exactly, exactly.
Or the Epstein.
Let me say, the total days I have supported Trump remains zero.
Zero.
It was obvious from day one.
And I know everybody will say, were you going to vote for Biden or Clinton?
Obviously not.
I've told you this before.
Newt Gingrich called me before that first election, like 10 years ago, trying to get support for Trump.
And I'm like, Trump?
Are you kidding?
You got to have somebody else.
I'm not going to vote for a Clinton, obviously.
But again, you can see people that are very similar to you, and you can see your opposite, right?
And Trump is my opposite.
I can see like his x-ray against the sun.
I can see his life force.
And the reason I've been so accurate in predicting him is I just look what I would do and I picked the opposite.
And that's what he did.
I mean, it's like, I want to get rid of China out of this hemisphere, big time.
I've written three books.
I spent a lot of time running around China.
I spent more than 20 years running around Asia.
I don't want China in our hemisphere, right?
But the way that he goes about these things is absolutely destructive to the United States, including we can never forget at all for one second, the death jab, right?
That is all anybody needs to know about who he is.
He's literally murdered massive numbers of Americans and others who took the death jab.
I mean, that can never be, that always must be part of the conversation.
In fact, it needs to be the bedrock on which all other conversations are built.
It has to be on that.
You know, so many Trump cult leaders will say, why don't you forget about, you know, you always bring up the vaccine, they'll still call it.
I'm like, listen, if you'll just forget about that, if you just, if you're willing to just forget that he murdered so many Americans and other people around the world, I got no use for you.
You know what I mean?
I don't want you around me.
You're a dangerous person.
I mean, that's very, very weak.
And cowards are natural traders, right?
If they won't stand up to Trump after that, there's nothing, they have nothing that they'll stand up for.
And that's very, very serious.
What I see, the test that I give people is to say, you know, take this action, for example, the military attack on Venezuela and the extraction of Maduro.
If Obama had done that, what would be your reaction?
Now, you know, if Obama had done it or if Joe Biden had done it, all the Trump supporters would have lost their minds with condemnation for Obama, right?
You still hear, Michael?
Yeah, I'm still here.
The video stopped.
Yeah, let's just keep going.
It doesn't matter.
It'll catch up.
But, you know, Joe Biden would have been condemned.
Even Trump's tariffs, for example, slapping these tariffs, punishing India, punishing many of our top trading partners, punishing Japan and Taiwan with tariffs.
If Biden had done it, he would have been called a traitor to America.
And he was.
Well, yeah, he was.
But why do so many people give Trump a pass on the same things that they would have condemned Obama for doing?
Oh, why the double standard between Trump and, say, Obama?
Right.
I think it's just weakness, actually.
And keep in mind as well, though, Trump and Obama were very good con men, both of them.
And so, you know, they were in Obama was able to con people just by the skin color.
And he's not even black.
I mean, the guys, he played black in the movie, right?
It's like he grew up in places like Indonesia.
I've been to his elementary school that he went to, by the way, in Jakarta.
I went there a couple of times, and they got a statue of him out front, but I think they don't like him because they put some signs around that statue that were kind of strange.
Anyway, but the Obama, the difference between Obama and Trump, I'm not sure what difference there really is.
They were just different leaves on the same tree, right?
Because they're both part of the structure that's destroying the United States.
Biden as well.
And of course, the Clintons either destroying intentionally or just pillaging.
I mean, these are straight up hardcore gangsters that don't seem to care about anything except their own power and their own short-term gratification.
They don't even seem to care about their own grandchildren.
Well, but I mean, Trump's family members are doing very well with all the crypto and all the announcements and investments, cross-investments.
The Trump company is investing in, in one case, a hot fusion company for energy generation.
That seemed kind of unusual.
So, I mean, he is creating wealth for his own family, you know, Nancy Pelosi style, I guess.
They're not going to have an America to defend.
When it's over, though, they're not going to have, when it's all said and done, they're not going to have an America to defend them.
And if China is left standing, when America, because at this rate, they're clearly, clearly destroying, the Zionists are clearly destroying the United States.
It's obvious, right?
And if they succeed through weakness of Americans, Then they'll be left facing China and Russia alone, right?
I'm not sure how they're going to handle that because they won't have the numbers.
How are they going to actually handle that?
How are they going to handle those guys?
But why would Zionists want America to be destroyed when America provides so much funding and weapons and intelligence to Israel?
I ask myself that often, but that's clearly what they're doing.
Well, if they lose, I mean, the UK is a big supporter of Israel.
The UK is in deep trouble financially and culturally.
If they lose the UK and then they destroy the U.S., hasn't Israel then taken out two of its biggest allies?
Doesn't seem to make sense, does it?
But that's clearly what they're doing.
So there must be a bigger plan that we don't see.
Could be.
Could be.
It could be.
It could be just I'm not sure what it is.
I think about it a lot.
I mean, I've got some ideas, but I don't know what the answer is.
I look at it quite a lot.
I've been working through this for quite a while.
But they're clearly doing it.
The question is, why?
Is it just through group insanity?
Because these things do happen.
I mean, cults commit mass suicide all the time, right?
And they do it in various ways because groups of people behave similarly to an individual, right?
You have individuals that'll go jump off a bridge, and you'll have entire tribes that'll go kill themselves, and entire peoples that will do things like, you know, Ragnarak go, you know, try to cause a self-immolation and war, right?
I mean, these sorts of things, you know, this is where it routes resources and actually ideology, right?
And that's why it's very important the study of cults.
I spent years studying cults, so I know a thing or two about them.
I even infiltrated and lived with a cult, right?
So, I mean, the study of cults is up there on importance and level with the study of mathematics.
I mean, it's very important.
There is an apocalyptic end times, you know, interpretation by Zionists that they believe that they need a war.
They need the destruction of the temple, followed by the rebuilding, and they need Russia to attack them, et cetera, to fulfill their prophecies.
So there is that element.
Understanding what is driving that substrate firmware within the social architecture of that group, because that will inform their conscious and unconscious decisions to fulfill their prophecy.
Well, and clearly they control the Trump administration.
There's no question about that.
So I have yet to see Trump do anything that would push back against Netanyahu.
And what about Iran?
Because Netanyahu's recent visit, obviously he told Trump, you got to attack Iran again.
It's been six or seven months since we bombed Iran, allegedly.
What do you think is going to happen there next?
War, clearly.
I mean, what we're seeing is just a temporary ceasefire.
I mean, they're clearly still at war.
That's obvious.
This is a process war.
It's going on for a long time, and it's going to come to a head at some point.
You know, of course, the Iranians are the ones who've defended Armenian Christians against Shia Muslims who were armed by the Zionists to kill.
Let me get this straight.
Armenian Christians up there in Armenia.
The Zionists armed the Azeris to attack those Armenian Christians.
And it was the Iranians who stopped those other Muslims from attacking the Christians that were armed by the Zionists.
You can see this in the newspapers, you know.
Wow.
Armenia is like, why is Israel doing this?
You know, and, you know, Americans just try to ignore that part, the ones who blindly support Israel.
And why is this?
What is this about?
It's about routes and resources, the Caspian Sea and the trip route there.
You know, the trip route is named after Trump, by the way.
It's the route between the Trump.
Anyway, it's a Trump route, whatever the name of it is, for something in peace, international peace and prosperity or something like that.
It's another nonsense.
But it goes from Turkey through Armenia to Azerbaijan, right?
And so it's called the Trip Route.
And I think it's the Trump route for international peace and prosperity.
I think that's the name of it.
You can't make up this stuff.
But that's why, so that route up there between Turkey and it goes through Armenia.
So that southern part of Armenia that, you know, that borders on Iran, because Armenia has a border with Iran.
And anyway, but you can't make up this stuff.
So, I mean, when you really look at what Armenians, what say the Zionists in Israel are doing, they're killing huge numbers of Christians and Jews.
They'll kill Jews just as fast.
I mean, it's like I'm talking about Zionists will kill Jews just as fast as they'll kill Christians or Muslims.
I mean, they don't play around.
I mean, they're hardcore.
Look at October 7th.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, I mean, we're almost out of time here, but I don't have any solid idea yet out of this discussion of where things take us next, other than just chaos.
I mean, how what should the viewer of this interview be thinking about what this means for what's coming in 2026?
I think it'll pick up.
I mean, that's clear.
Obviously, it's a package deal with, you know, between Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cuba, of course.
And then, of course, Venezuela's got those partners, Iran and Russia, and China.
I mean, this is, you know, this is, they've got friends.
You know, China, I mean, Venezuela has friends and some serious friends.
Of course, you know, Cuba needs that oil.
And there's going to be a big problem for Cuba, too.
Are we going to see a bunch of people washing up on the beaches of Florida again?
Maybe.
You won't believe how many Cubans I saw come through the Darien Gap.
It was huge.
It was massive.
Wow.
Okay.
So, I mean, what else?
Anything else you want to leave us with here?
No, I mean, people are getting what they wanted.
They wanted Trump and they got Trump.
You know, and I warned, and what else can I say?
I mean, this is at some point, you just burn down the house and you can't unburn the house, right?
The only thing that you can do, there's a lot of things.
And one is to stop support somebody that's actually killing you, right?
You know, the death jab thing.
You know, stop supporting anybody who's actually killing you.
Because when the least of the bad is also killing you, it doesn't mean you should support the least of the bad when he's killing you too.
It means you should oppose both, right?
Oppose everybody who's trying to kill you or kill our country.
That's very important.
I say that because Trump supporters, there are still some out there, and they're quite wild-eyed at this point.
You know, they're getting frantic, and they just flood my inbox, and I just block, block, block.
Go away, man.
Seriously.
I mean, how much do I have to see to realize that they're supporting somebody who has actually managed to get that jab into some of my family and friends, right?
I take that quite personally, right?
And we should all take it personally.
They've destroyed millions of people, over 600,000 dead in Japan alone.
Well, absolutely.
I completely agree with you on that point.
And at the same time, we couldn't support the Democrats in the last election.
You know, they were destroying all of America through immigration.
The Democrats were jailing people over their speech.
The Democrats were so corrupt, money laundering, USAID, the whole Somali thing is just the tip of the iceberg.
Massive fraud and also pushing the war with Russia.
You know, the Democrats weren't an option.
They're definitely not an option.
Democrats are absolutely, but that doesn't mean we should then support somebody who also wants to take our free speech and also is invading us, but doing it with visas, right?
I mean, it's the same red pill or blue pill.
They're both coming from the same guy.
We don't even know his name, Morpheus.
Okay, what's his last, where's he from?
He's got these pills.
I'm supposed to choose between one of these pills.
That's the old game, the false choice.
And as you know, when somebody forcibly comes up, well, these are your choices, right?
Many people go, well, those are my choices, right?
I can either jump off the cliff or I can jump off the other cliff, you know?
And so how about not jump off?
Set myself on fire.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
And so because it's just, you know, these are not the droids you're looking for.
There's little, you know, one time I was in a protest in Hong Kong and it was quite violent.
And I said on live stream, so this is published out there.
There was a police line.
They were fighting with protesters.
And I said something like live.
So the audio picked it up very loud.
I said, watch this.
I'm going to go right through the police line.
I walked.
They were shoving people back with the shields and stuff.
I walked right up, looked at a police and walked right through the police line, walked right outside the back of the police line and was filming the back of the police.
How did I do that?
Straight up, these are not the droids you're looking for.
I mean, you should see the video, right?
It's amazing what happens when you just, so I'm in charge here, right?
And that's what Trump has been doing, right?
He just takes charge and people are like, okay, he killed a few million people at the death jab, but he's still my boy.
You know, it's like, you know, it's quite intense.
Yeah, it is.
Okay.
So, Michael, give us, give us your X account and your website, how people can follow you.
I'm on Substack, and I'm going to publish something as soon as we get offline, actually, about this AI that's flooding around on YouTube.
And I'm on X under my name and Big Honey, Big Honey.
But my name also Michael Yan, Yankee Oscar November.
Thank you, Michael.
Okay, hold on.
What AI video are you talking about?
Is that the China guy talking about silver?
Which are you talking about?
Yeah, Asian guy.
They call him AG, you know, silver.
Yeah, that guy.
He's one of them.
But there's all these other videos that are combining.
They're combining people that are real, like Andy Sheckman, actually.
David Morgan, I saw there using David Morgan's name.
And him too.
And that guy, the former economic minister, I think from Greece.
I'm sorry, what's his name?
Very famous guy.
I don't remember how to pronounce his name, but yeah, it's a long Greek name, yes.
Yeah.
And he's in a lot of them.
I saw him talking about, I watched him earlier today.
He was going, I was looking at myself and I couldn't, at first he didn't, he just, I think he thought that it might have been an old conversation that he gave, right?
It looks so realistic because they're actually taking old videos and in some cases, they're taking with the Asian guy, that's clearly made from scratch.
But with the, but with some of them, they're taking like Andy Sheckman and taking real things that he said, but putting them in different context, you know?
Totally.
And so, I mean, that's quite serious.
David Morgan.
There was a video of his voice and I sent it to him.
I said, David, is this you?
Do you really say these things?
He's like, Nope, that's 100% AI, but it sounded just like him.
It sounded fully human.
Oh, I saw David Morgan too.
That's right.
And David Morgan, obviously, people listening very closely because he knows his business, right?
Yes.
Like Andy Sheckman and others as well.
So they're taking these people that are honestly experts and then they're recutting it.
And it's done so quickly, nobody knows what's real.
You know, it's the Cartesian thing going on here, right?
Yeah, totally.
All right.
So again, so your sub stack is michaeljan.substack.com.
That's right.
So just look up Michael Jan on Substack and thank everybody who signed.
My sub stack is free, although I really like paid subscribers, but I don't put anything behind a paywall because there's just a lot of people that can't afford it with the way things are going and they need the information.
So those who can pay, please do.
And if you don't have the money, come and get it.
There you go.
Okay.
Sounds good.
Thank you so much, Michael, for taking the time with me.
Have a great rest of your evening.
We'll talk again soon.
Thanks, Michael.
All right.
Don't disconnect, Michael.
Stay connected.
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