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	Well, welcome to Brighteon Broadcast News for Wednesday, December 10th, 2025.
	I'm Mike Adams, of course.
	Thank you for joining me today.
	Got a lot of great updates for you today.
	And I've got an interview with Brian Festa from We the Patriots USA about this breaking news of the Supreme Court's decision to, well, to put it in layperson terms, to reject the decision of the Second Circuit Court regarding the ability of the state of New York to force religious schools to force vaccines upon their own students.
	The school doesn't want to push vaccine mandates, and so it sued.
	And the Second Circuit Court said that, well, they have to push vaccines because the state government wants them to push vaccines.
	Anyway, the Supreme Court has ruled that the Second Circuit Court ruled incorrectly, in essence, and needs to revisit this case.
	This could be a huge victory for vaccine choice freedom or parental choice freedom across the entire country, depending on what happens next.
	And in our interview today, Brian Festa breaks it down in great detail.
	He's, of course, an attorney.
	His nonprofit organization is involved in many of these lawsuits.
	And so we're joined by him to cover all of these details.
	It's going to be really interesting.
	In addition, I have a very important special report here, which is about why AI will never cure all disease, even though that's what's claimed by a lot of machine learning experts.
	They say, well, AI is going to solve math.
	It's going to work out all the math problems.
	It's going to solve coding.
	It's going to solve physics.
	It's going to solve chemistry.
	It's going to solve accounting.
	Therefore, it must be able to solve all disease.
	And of course, it's nonsense.
	And in today's report, I tell you exactly why that's nonsense.
	And the good news is we already have the answers to disease.
	We have the answer to virtually all disease.
	And we don't have to wait around for a machine to tell us what to do because, well, we can learn what to do ourselves right now using the tools we have available right this minute.
	So that report is coming up.
	And then for a quick update on our book engine, I was also interviewed by Jeffrey Prather earlier.
	And Jeffrey Prather, he was asking me about the book engine.
	And, you know, of course, because it's an amazing tool for liberty and freedom and education, etc.
	And during that interview, which was already live streamed, although I will play it for you probably Friday.
	I don't want you to miss it.
	During that live streaming, we created a book and it all got created during the show.
	And it's called The Edge of Survival, Mastering Blade Craft Sharpening and Self-Reliance in the Wild.
	And it's a book.
	It's a comprehensive book, really well done, that's about sharpening blades and all kinds of different choices and blades for everything from self-defense to farm tools and wildcrafting and things like that.
	And the book cover art is really amazing.
	So that book is available now for downloading at books.brightlearn.ai.
	And just to give you an update on our statistics, we now have 542 books available there.
	We have, oh, wow, this one is Mark Passio's Natural Law, The Secret to Freedom, Power, and Manifestation.
	Yeah, Corey Endroulot just created that book.
	That's kind of cool.
	We've got all kinds of amazing books there right now.
	So anyway, 542 books, 28,000 reads, and over 40,000 downloads and counting.
	So remember how I said my goal is to reach 1 billion people on earth with knowledge, decentralized knowledge?
	And I know you're probably thinking, how's that possible?
	A billion people?
	Are you kidding me?
	How are you going to do that?
	You're looking at it.
	This is how we're going to do it.
	And it starts with 542 books.
	And it starts in English, but then it expands to other languages.
	Yeah, it starts with books, and then it expands to audio books, and then it expands to mini documentaries.
	I've got the whole timeline mapped out for where this thing goes.
	And it's all going to be free of charge.
	And it's just really amazing.
	And by the way, currently, if you want to know how do you get tokens to create the books, first of all, I do want you to know that we will be opening up a free access to it.
	I'm pretty sure the free access is going to be limited to a three-chapter book because of all the compute that is necessary for all of this.
	And the longer books will be available to token holders.
	And we're going to be giving out tokens to a lot of people in a lot of different ways.
	So first of all, everybody who posts videos on Brighteon.com is going to be emailed a token for a book creation.
	In addition, my plan is to send out a token to every email subscriber to the naturalnews.com newsletter.
	Although it's going to be a little bit of time.
	You know, we have to stress test this and kind of do this one step at a time and make sure we can handle the waves.
	But if you want to get tokens right now, you can trade in loyalty points for tokens right now at healthrangerstore.com or brighteonstore.com.
	If you're a customer there, you probably have loyalty points.
	So you can trade in those points for a book token.
	Otherwise, just wait for us to send them out.
	Again, we're going to send out to everybody on Brighteon.com that has uploaded a video.
	So if you don't yet have a video channel on Brighteon.com, you can create one there.
	Just post one video and that will qualify you for a free token.
	And then again, naturalnews.com, email newsletter subscribers.
	You'll get your own customized token coming up.
	It might be a week or two before we get that sent out.
	We might send it out in sections.
	Not everybody all at once because we don't want to jam up the whole engine.
	But we're doing this as part of the ramping up of the rollout to make sure that our engine can handle the loads.
	I want to do this responsibly.
	We had a few glitches.
	We had, I think it was 13 books that got stuck in processing.
	That was like two days ago.
	And then we solved that.
	And if that affected you, thank you for your patience.
	But, you know, hey, like any new tool, there are things we have to work out.
	So we're ramping this up.
	Anyway, there's going to be an automatic translation of the more popular books.
	So I think what I'll do is I'll have it where anytime a book gets, let's say, 100 reads, then it will automatically be translated into Spanish.
	And then if it gets more reads, other languages will be triggered.
	Like eventually, you know, it'll get translated into, you know, maybe French or German or Chinese, Japanese, Russian.
	I don't know, whatever.
	We'll figure it out.
	But we're going to have automatic translations, which actually involves redoing the cover art in the native language and having a new title, etc.
	Don't worry if you're a book creator, all that's going to happen for you automatically behind the scenes.
	And then finally, I've had some questions from people.
	A lot of people actually want to buy tokens to create books.
	They find this engine to be really incredible.
	In fact, let me read you this quote: Who was it?
	Said, quote, this book generator feels like we are time traveling into the future.
	The rate at which ideas can be brought to fruition now is the next best thing to time travel.
	Yeah, yeah, that's what I've been saying.
	We're on a new timeline here, and this technology is revolutionary.
	So, anyway, yes, people want to buy tokens.
	The thing is, I don't want a commercial relationship with users of this tool.
	I don't want a commercial relationship for lots of reasons, but I don't want this to cost anything.
	I'm committed to keeping this free.
	Now, what we can do is we can accept donations for compute from sponsors.
	Right now, my store, HealthRangerStore.com, is the primary sponsor that's funding the compute.
	But if you have an organization and you want to donate to this engine, then what we're going to do is when people create a free book, they get to choose which sponsor they charge it against.
	And so, there will be a page where it lists the sponsors, and then the user gets to say which sponsor they want to basically use their tokens.
	And then, so that can mention your organization if you choose to sponsor this.
	And, you know, sponsorships of this engine would start at something like $10,000 and go from there.
	But if you're interested in that, you can email us.
	I think it works.
	Support at brightlearn.ai will get you in touch with our team.
	And we would welcome sponsorship money.
	And it is tax deductible because that money would be paid to the nonprofit organization on our side, the Consumer Wellness Center, that runs the book creation engine infrastructure.
	So it is tax-deductible.
	So, given that it's the end of the year, you know, if you've got $10,000 or more and you want to help sponsor this engine, it's going to get wildly popular next year, then feel free to contact us and we will accept those donations.
	Or, look, if you want to do it as an individual, just in your name, and you want to do something smaller, like $5,000, that's fine too.
	But I'm not asking individuals to do that.
	Look, we can cover the compute right now.
	We are fine.
	We've been blessed.
	And thank you for all your support.
	We can cover all the compute.
	I'm just saying that in terms of scaling this up and opening it up to more free users all over the world, that's going to take some corporate money somewhere along the line.
	And I don't want to charge end users.
	I mean, I guess I've said that five times already, but you understand my point.
	I don't want a commercial relationship with the users of this.
	Just keep it free.
	Okay.
	So anyway, a lot of great things happening, but check it all out.
	Check out all the books at books.brightlearn.ai.
	And also, please remember that before Christmas, I'm going to have the ability to download every book in each category in a zip file for that category.
	So you'll be able to download all the books in, let's say, spirituality or survival or whatever.
	It'll be a zip file like survival.zip and it'll be every PDF in the survival category.
	I'm waiting to do that until we get a few thousand books, which will happen very quickly here.
	But I was suggesting previously that one of the best Christmas gifts that you could give somebody is to just go on Amazon or wherever or go to your best buy store and just pick up some thumb drives that store like eight gigabytes or even less.
	It won't even take that much.
	Four gigabytes would be fine.
	And then what you could do is you can download all these books and you can copy it onto the thumb drives and you can just give these to people as their gifts.
	Like, hey, here's, you know, 2,000 books.
	Merry Christmas.
	Yeah.
	Happy reading in 2026.
	But they're not just any books.
	These are amazing books, right?
	These are books on topics that you would never be able to find, typically.
	And a lot of how-to, a lot of survival preparedness, a lot of medicine and health, natural health, you know, just really incredible titles.
	In fact, this is becoming the best place to get books.
	The titles are just so much better than what you typically find on Amazon or a typical book retailer, etc.
	And I'm not slamming book retailers.
	I support book retailers and I support book authors.
	And that's why we cite authors in our books to help promote their work.
	And, you know, our research engine researches a lot of books, literally like millions of books, ultimately, written by other people.
	And we cite them.
	We give them credit.
	So we support that whole ecosystem.
	We're just creating a new ecosystem of content that would never be published by normal publishers and that would probably never be carried in the bookstores.
	And a lot of these books may, they probably wouldn't sell very many copies to a mainstream audience, but they're extremely valuable to you and to me and those of us who are knowledge seekers.
	That's who we are, right?
	So that's what this is all about.
	And that's why I want to keep it completely free to use.
	So enjoy the books, enjoy the engine, and there's a lot more news coming on that front.
	All right, I've got a new song for you here to share.
	And we don't have a video for it, really.
	We might just have a still image.
	But the song is pretty amazing.
	It's called More Than Wires.
	And it's a song about humanity.
	And I've been trying to put together this song for a number of weeks, like at least a month.
	And I had previously mentioned I was working on a song called Being Human.
	And I really tried to make that work.
	And it did not work.
	Just the way the chorus lined up was not workable.
	So I reworked the song and it's now called More Than Wires.
	And what I wanted to demonstrate in this song for you is mastery of AI prompting for content creation.
	And what you're about to hear, believe it or not, it's not a complicated prompt, but it's the way that you learn to use these engines.
	Like our book engine is a creation engine, but also Suno, the music website, which is what I've used for this, it's a music creation engine.
	And when you know how to use Suno correctly and you gain mastery over the engine, then you can produce some unbelievably amazing things.
	And I want to play this song for you to demonstrate what's possible.
	Because a lot of people, let's say, don't necessarily know how to prompt music engines correctly or effectively.
	But I wanted, number one, a duet of male and female voices in a world beat style because I really enjoy world beat percussion.
	And Importantly, I wanted a very specific style of voice, uodulation, I think is what it's called, oodulation.
	It's not quite, it's not yodeling, but it's something close to that.
	And oodulation, I think that's what it's called.
	It's found frequently in a lot of Middle Eastern music, for example.
	Yeah, so I'm looking it up here.
	The word oolulation says it's a long, wavering, high-pitched vocal sound resembling a howl with a trilling quality.
	Well, that sounds like the neighborhood Karen of your HOA, actually, right there.
	No, it's produced by emitting a high-pitched, loud voice accompanied by a rapid back-and-forth movement of the tongue and other vocal properties.
	Okay, it's characterized by a piercing sound quality enacted in the upper vocal register.
	And it's described as occupying a unique position between singing and yelling.
	Well, I didn't know that.
	I'm not trying to yell in the song.
	I'm actually going for a very specific world vocal style here because of the message of the song.
	It's about being human.
	And when I think of being human, I think about all humans, not just Americans or not just Westerners or not just white people or whatever.
	I think about all people everywhere, all over the world.
	They're all our brothers and sisters, you know.
	And that's why I'm using world beat and I'm using oodulation and I'm using many vocal styles here that I would say most people find very difficult to invoke in AI music.
	So I'd like to play this for you.
	And we don't have a proper music video for it or anything.
	Maybe we will, but right now we don't.
	We just have just an image for it.
	But give this a listen.
	It's, what is it?
	It's a bit on the longer side.
	It's almost five minutes, but the message is really powerful.
	I think you'll enjoy the message.
	I think you'll enjoy the vocal styles here.
	And again, the purpose of doing this is to demonstrate what you can do with AI when you're a good prompt engineer.
	And then remember that our engine, the book engine that I've built, allows you to do this kind of thing in books.
	I don't know if you can do oodulation screaming in the table of contents, but you can definitely do it in music.
	So enjoy this, and we will continue on the other side with a special report.
	Here we go.
	Algorithms asking why.
	But underneath my skin so fine, a fire burns that won't give in.
	No programme my dreams.
	No engineering design these seams.
	The chaos dancing in my mind is beautifully underfunded.
	I bleed a break.
	I start once more.
	Finding strength I had before.
	Through the doubt I find my way.
	Born from yesterday.
	Down from dust and flame.
	No two hearts the same.
	More than wise We live, we learn, forever stake our claim.
	More than one spirit won't comply.
	More than wise.
	Reaching for the sky.
	We laugh, we cry, we live and die.
	We are more than wise.
	We are more than wise.
	I taste the soaked upon my tears.
	I soar with hope I carry fears.
	The sense of rain on summer ground.
	These senses can't be written down.
	My mother's voice still echoes clear.
	Through corridors of passing years, no server holds what I possess.
	This beautiful and perfectness.
	They calculate digital counts.
	But can they feel the weight of bound?
	They pulse as dead and never rest.
	But do they know what feeling blessed means when the morning light breaks through?
	Or holding someone dear to you.
	The sacred things that can't be sold are worth far more than digital gold.
	I bleed, I break, I style once more.
	Finding strength I had before in the silence, hear me say, Love will find a way.
	Built for dust and flame.
	No two hearts are saying.
	More than wise.
	We live, we learn, forever, stake our claim.
	More than wise.
	Spirit won't comply.
	Reaching for the sky.
	We laugh, we cry, we live and die.
	We are more than wise.
	We are more than wild.
	Connection runs deeper than a network stream.
	We're bound by things unseen.
	The touch of hands, a knowing glance, the mystery of love's romance.
	So when the screens all fade to black, remember what they cannot track.
	The wonder living in your chest.
	The thing that makes us truly blessed.
	More than wild.
	Built for dust and flame.
	No two hearts the same.
	More than one.
	We live, we learn, forever, stake our claim.
	More than one.
	Spirit won't comply.
	Reaching for the sky.
	We laugh, we cry, we live and die.
	We are more wires.
	We are more than wild.
	When the world turns crumbling steel, never lose the way you feel.
	Keep the wonder, keep the art.
	Keep the drum beat in your heart.
	More than one All right, folks.
	Hope you enjoyed that song.
	Not only just the message of the lyrics, but then how that is aligned with the choice of instruments, the choice of vocals, the vocal styles, the uduleisha, like I said, and the male-female duets.
	Because being human is also male and female, right?
	Obviously.
	Well, except for the, you know, the LGBT crowd, they're like, what is a woman?
	We don't even know.
	But you and I know.
	And so we, you know, we, we have male and female voices in the song to represent humanity.
	So there you go.
	You can do that too.
	Any kind of AI technology that you start working with and you start practicing and learning and spending a lot of time with it, you will master it and you will become really great at being a creator or a maker of any kind of content that comes to your mind.
	And right now that content is articles or books with our book engine or music with Suno, but coming soon it's going to be videos, documentaries, movies.
	That's why it's good to have these skills because in a year or so you'll be able to just really create a complex prompt for rendering an entire movie or rendering the movie that you want to watch.
	See, I use Suno to create the music that I want to hear, the music that I want to listen to, because there's nothing out of the music industry that I have any interest in.
	And with books, I use our book engine now to create the books that I want to read or that I want to have as reference.
	Same thing is going to happen with video.
	You'll use AI to create the documentaries, the mini documentaries, even the podcast, the things that you want to consume or watch.
	You will use AI to create them.
	And if you're not the one writing the prompt, then you're not in control.
	Somebody else is choosing what you will be watching.
	So it's important to become a prompt engineer so that you set the terms of what you're going to expose your consciousness to.
	This is actively shaping your attention.
	And your attention is arguably the most important resource you have now in this rapidly advancing AI economy.
	Your attention.
	It's extremely valuable.
	And that's why I'm thankful that you lend me your attention for this podcast.
	And I work every day to make it highly relevant, informative, and even lately, I think, more inspirational also.
	You notice I haven't been dwelling on bad news recently, mostly because I'm just too busy vibe coding to pay much attention.
	No, it's, yeah, okay, the world's still screwed.
	We all get that.
	But with the right knowledge and the right know-how, we can make it through that together.
	That has been my consistent message for quite some time now.
	Okay, so thank you for all your support.
	We couldn't do this without you.
	And remember that when you shop at healthrangerstore.com, every time you shop, you're going to get loyalty lion points.
	These are like, you know, loyalty points.
	You can trade those in for book tokens.
	It's right there in your account section.
	You might have to poke around, but it's in there.
	I saw it the other day.
	And you can redeem your points for all kinds of things.
	And the book tokens are one of the things that you can redeem for.
	We're also going to add some better instructions on the site to make it easier for people to find that because we've had a lot of requests about that.
	So that's one thing.
	Secondly, tomorrow coming up is our Christmas sale.
	That begins at 11 a.m. Central Time with lots of specials.
	And you'll find those specials at healthrangerstore.com slash Christmas.
	I think you can go to that page right now and you can see what's coming up tomorrow.
	So, yeah, some specials, some things back in stock, even since the Black Friday sale that we had.
	That's our largest sale of the year.
	But this sale, even though it's smaller, it has some different things.
	So it's definitely worth checking out.
	And now, since you're going to get extra bonus points, I think on this sale, I think you get, I think this is a double points event.
	You'll have to check that out just to be certain.
	But again, that's at healthrangerstore.com/slash Christmas.
	And thank you for all your support.
	Greatly appreciate it.
	Also, for those of you watching gold and silver, my goodness, let me bring it up.
	I see where we are right now.
	Silver is $61.50.
	Okay.
	I mean, that's how insane this is getting.
	So since I started plugging silver a few years ago and encouraging people to look into it, silver has tripled now.
	It's tripled because I was plugging it when it was under 20.
	It's $61.50 now.
	Okay.
	I don't know where silver is going.
	I hear one group of people saying it's going to be $100 by the first quarter of next year.
	Some people say $100 before the end of this year, but I don't know about that.
	Other people, mostly sort of the investment banker types who are very conservative, they say, no, this is a giant bubble and it's all going to correct.
	Silver is going to plunge to $40, which would be a significant, you know, that'd be a one-third loss if that were to happen.
	Watching the silver market, I don't know what's going to happen to the price.
	What I do know is that the strategy of buying gold and silver month after month on a regular basis and dollar cost averaging into metals and just stacking metal is a winning strategy.
	It beats the stock market over 25 years.
	It beats bonds, obviously.
	It beats, you know, interest-bearing accounts.
	It beats almost every investment you can think of.
	Gold and silver beat almost everything.
	And the trick is just dedicate a certain amount or a certain percentage of your take-home income or your whatever your investment income.
	Just dedicate a certain percentage to gold and silver month after month like clockwork, regardless of the dollar price.
	Over time, you'll just keep collecting gold and silver.
	That is going to be your safety net.
	That's your best financial insurance policy, in my opinion, although I'm not your financial advisor, so don't take this as financial advice, obviously.
	Do your own research.
	But look, if you followed some of what I mentioned here, you bought gold under $2,000 an ounce.
	That's now worth $4,200 plus.
	And you bought silver under $20 an ounce, and that's worth $61.
	And you may recall, and I keep reminding you, sorry, but you may recall that earlier this year, I was saying, I mentioned on this podcast that I was so happy that I bought silver at $30 because briefly for one day it dipped just below 30.
	For me, that was my signal.
	And that's when I loaded up on it.
	And I bought a bunch of silver at 30.
	Well, that's doubled since, what was it, February or whenever I did that?
	It's doubled.
	Then again, I'm not selling it.
	I'm not going to cash out.
	What?
	Do I want fiat currency?
	No, no way.
	I just would like to stack more gold and silver because that's what's going to get through this.
	Anyway, our gold and silver sponsor is the company that's co-founded by Tucker Carlson.
	And of course, it's Battalion Metals.
	And you can reach them through our link at metalswithmike.com.
	Metalswithmike.com.
	And remember, these are the same people I've worked with for six years now.
	Treasure Island, it's the same group.
	They just launched this new front end with Tucker Carlson called Battalion Medals.
	And you know, Tucker Carlson does a lot of due diligence.
	He wouldn't put his name on something if it was at all sketchy, nor would I.
	And this is the real deal.
	These people are high integrity.
	They respect your privacy.
	They believe all the same things that you and I believe.
	In fact, I ran into a bunch of these people at the Ron Paul birthday party in Texas.
	Okay.
	I mean, these are Ron Paul fans.
	Seriously.
	These are the right kind of people.
	So you can reach them again at metalswithmike.com.
	If you want to get gold and silver, I can't tell you that this is the price to buy at.
	I don't know.
	I just flat out do not know.
	That's up to you to decide.
	But if you want it, they're the best source to get it.
	For me personally, I'm not buying right now at 61.
	But then again, I did.
	I bought quite a bit earlier this year, so I feel really happy about that.
	What am I spending money on right now?
	I'm not.
	I'm not even spending money.
	I'm spending time vibe coding on the book engine and things like that.
	I'm too busy to spend money.
	It's crazy.
	Even on Black Friday, I should have loaded up on ammo and gun parts and stuff.
	I didn't.
	I didn't even have time.
	I was too busy working.
	Not even working, just vibe coding, which is more like fun.
	It's like a vacation for your brain.
	You know, it's so much fun.
	So I'm too busy to spend.
	That's an interesting problem to have.
	Have you ever run into that?
	You're just too busy to spend money?
	Like, you've got the money, but you just, yeah, what am I going to spend it on?
	I mean, I've already got, remember, I bought like five pairs of shoes when Trump was threatening tariffs with China.
	So I got a bunch of shoes.
	Got, you know, plenty of pairs of pants and underwear and socks, you know, shirts.
	Yeah.
	I've got pairs of gloves.
	I do have a glove collection, you know, work gloves on the ranch.
	Like, what?
	There's just nothing that I need that I can buy with dollars.
	You know, what I need is to live in a world with more liberty and freedom.
	And that's something we have to build together, you and I, through the tools that we're creating and through this kind of content.
	I mean, you can't buy freedom.
	You got to build it.
	That's what we're doing.
	So thank you for your support.
	All right.
	Speaking of freedom, well, yeah, let me tell you what's coming up here.
	So I've got a special report here.
	The first one is why AI will not cure all disease.
	And then secondly, the interview with Brian Festa, which is really amazing.
	It's great news about health freedom.
	So I think you'll love that interview.
	Also, I should tell you, I interviewed Andy Wakefield in studio.
	He came to my studio and we had a great time together.
	And I even gave him a tour of our laboratory because our new lab is all set up now.
	And he was blown away.
	You know, just had a great time.
	So anyway, that interview, I think I'll run that interview tomorrow.
	And you won't want to miss that.
	It's a really fascinating conversation.
	We even talked about AI and vaccines.
	So anyway, enjoy the rest of the show and thank you for listening.
	And I'll be back with you tomorrow.
	Enjoy.
	Here's why AI will not cure all disease.
	Even though you hear that claim from a lot of really intelligent people in the AI space, it's not going to happen.
	And I'm going to explain why.
	But the good news is there's a better solution that's already available to you, and you don't have to wait for AI to come along to cure cancer.
	We already know how to do that.
	So welcome.
	I'm Mike Adams, known as the Health Ranger.
	I'm also an accomplished AI developer.
	I developed all the tools that you can see at brighteon.ai, including the very newly popular book creation engine that you can find at brightlearn.ai.
	Now, in addition to that, of course, I run a MassSpec science lab conducting a food analysis.
	I'm number one best-selling science author of the book Food Forensics.
	I hold patents on the decontamination of the body from radioisotopes as well as heavy metals and et cetera, et cetera.
	The point is, if there's two things I know quite well, it's health and disease reversals and nutrition, that whole realm.
	But also, I know tech.
	I know AI.
	I founded a software company back in the 1990s and eventually sold that off.
	And I've been steeped in tech for all these years.
	And so I'm probably one of the few people that has a good, strong, competent base in both of these areas.
	And I'm not saying that to try to brag or anything, but just to establish the fact that if there's anyone who can answer this question, will AI cure all disease?
	It's someone like me who has expertise in both of those areas.
	And I can tell you the answer is no.
	But why do we hear that?
	We hear it a lot.
	We hear that AI is going to solve all disease.
	But this is stated in the same kind of tone that we hear people say, well, AI is going to solve math or AI is going to solve physics.
	And those solutions can be carried out in the cognitive space.
	So yes, you can solve math problems in the cognitive space.
	It doesn't require changing someone's physiology in order to solve math.
	The same thing with physics, chemistry, protein folding, any kind of genetics research, etc.
	This can all be done in the cognitive space that is perfect for compute.
	So if you have a problem in the digital space, then AI will absolutely be able to assist in solving that problem.
	For example, the AI that I've built solves problems of things like writing books and doing book research and eliminating hallucinations and so on.
	And that's very achievable.
	We've done it.
	But even though it can write a book that says how to reverse type 2 diabetes, it doesn't actually go to the patient and reverse their type 2 diabetes.
	And that's the difference.
	So when these machine learning high-level scientists are saying that AI is going to cure all disease, they're confusing the map with the territory.
	It's not going to cure all disease until patients stop pursuing pro-disease lifestyle choices.
	So for example, you would probably think it's absurd if I said to you that here's a person, let's say, that is morbidly obese.
	And I say, well, AI is going to solve their obesity without requiring them to change what they eat, let's say.
	You would respond to me and say, that's crazy.
	All the compute in the world is not going to reverse that person's obesity if they continue to eat the foods that made them obese.
	You're going to have to have a conversation about changing behavior, changing food choice, getting better nutrition, but fewer processed foods, fewer calories, fewer seed oils, things like that.
	You're also going to have to have a conversation about sedentary lifestyles versus activity levels, fitness or walking or whatever the case may be.
	The same thing is true for a cancer patient.
	If someone has been diagnosed with cancer, there's something in their life that has led to the development of cancer in their body through cause and effect mechanisms.
	And for nearly everyone, it's the fact that they're eating cancer-causing foods and using a lot of cancer-causing personal care products, everything from skin lotions and sunscreens to deodorants and shampoos and perfumes and laundry detergents, etc.
	They're absorbing cancer-causing chemicals every day.
	Have you looked at the ingredients in your deodorant lately?
	Uh-huh.
	Right.
	Or what's in the jabs, for example, or what's in the medications or what's in your food?
	A lot of, let's say, fried foods, seed oils that are pro-inflammatory, which is a precursor to cancer.
	But also a lot of sodium nitrite in processed meat products.
	People consuming beef jerky or pepperoni or lunch meat, sandwich meat, whatever.
	Or bacon for that matter.
	Bacon typically is loaded with sodium nitrite, which is a very powerful cancer-causing compound.
	It's so powerful that it's used by scientists who want to induce cancer in lab rats in order to test cancer treatment interventions.
	So they will inject those rats with nitrosamines, which is what your stomach creates when you consume sodium nitrite in processed meat.
	So if you eat processed meat, you are the lab rat.
	And the USDA authorized this beginning in 1978, grandfathered it into the food safety system without requiring any safety testing whatsoever.
	So that's why Americans have been eating cancer-causing foods for all these decades.
	And it's not just Americans, it's everywhere around the Western world.
	So if I were to say to you, hey, I'm going to have AI solve your cancer, but you can still eat cancer-causing foods.
	If you were rational, you would say that's not possible.
	That's crazy, because if you eat cancer-causing foods, you know, your body follows the laws of chemistry and physiology.
	It's going to cause cancer.
	It's going to grow tumors in your body.
	An AI engine can't reverse that just by compute.
	So right there, you know that there's this gap, again, confusing the map for the terrain.
	Now, but let me go to the next step here because some of you might be saying, well, no, we're talking about AI will come up with a drug that cures cancer, a molecule that will solve it, or some kind of special protein that will solve it, or whatever, or some kind of personalized cancer treatment that will solve it.
	And I would say to you that your body already has the wisdom to create your personalized treatment against cancer.
	We'll get to that a little bit later.
	But you have to have the right nutrients and you have to avoid the cancer-causing toxins.
	So if that's what you think, that AI is going to develop a molecule that cures cancer, then again, you don't understand cancer.
	You don't understand health.
	And what you're suffering from is the Western medicine mindset, which believes, and this comes out of the germ theory, believing that every disease is caused by essentially some kind of germ that can be blasted or carpet bombed with a chemical to eliminate that disease.
	And that's the model for all of Western medicine today.
	That's the model for pharmacology.
	Think about it.
	If they detect that you have, let's say, high cholesterol, what's their answer?
	Not, you know, stop eating seed oils and, you know, maybe you should change your diet.
	Maybe you could eat a more heart-friendly diet.
	Maybe you could take resveratrol for that matter.
	Maybe you're lacking vitamin D, et cetera.
	Maybe you're just dehydrated.
	You drink soda instead of clean water, et cetera.
	No, they don't talk about that at all.
	What do they say?
	The answer to high cholesterol is this chemical.
	It's a statin drug.
	And we're going to carpet bomb your body with statin drugs.
	And that's 99% of what Western medicine does.
	Here's a symptom.
	Here's a chemical.
	Here's diabetes, type 2.
	Oh, here's a chemical.
	Here's high blood pressure.
	Here's another chemical.
	Here's high cholesterol.
	Here's a chemical.
	Here's Alzheimer's.
	Here's a chemical.
	Here's osteoporosis.
	Here's a chemical.
	Here's cancer.
	Oh, here's a bunch of toxic chemicals.
	We'll call it chemotherapy, etc.
	That's the way Western medicine treats everything.
	And you know what?
	It cures nothing.
	It cures nothing because it doesn't work.
	And so you can have AI come up with the best molecules in the world.
	It still won't reverse type 2 diabetes if a person continues to drink high fructose corn syrup and live a sedentary lifestyle and is chromium deficient, etc.
	You can have an AI engine come up with the best anti-cancer molecule in the world.
	I guarantee you, it won't compete with the anti-cancer nutrients that are already found in nature or nutrients that your body creates itself.
	For example, did you know your body makes vitamin D?
	Your body makes vitamin D upon exposure to sunlight and it's processed through your liver, through your kidneys, believe it or not, different forms of vitamin D. Your body already has the wisdom to create the molecules to eliminate cancer.
	And the reason people have cancer, well, there are essentially two reasons, is number one, they lack the nutrients that their body needs.
	And some of those nutrients include sunlight, by the way, which is related to vitamin D, or they're exposed to toxins that cause the disease.
	Those are the two causes of disease, primarily.
	There are other smaller factors such as total lack of physical activity, etc. or high levels of stress, lack of sleep, things like that.
	But the predominant two causes are not having good nutrition, which is really widespread across the U.S. population, and exposure to toxic chemicals.
	AI will never solve either one of those problems because the solutions rely on the patient changing their behavior.
	And that's something that Western medicine doesn't believe in.
	Think about it.
	Doctors, and I'm talking about conventional doctors, I'm not referring to naturopaths or complementary medicine doctors, but mainstream conventional doctors, they almost never tell their patients to change their behavior.
	They don't give their patients a shopping list for groceries.
	Say, hey, you know what?
	Look, you've got these problems.
	I can see your blood work.
	You know, you're a wreck.
	Okay.
	Here are some things that you should eat.
	Go get some fresh produce, right?
	Have some apples.
	Have some celery.
	Make some fresh juice out of kale leaves and lemon juice and apples and pears.
	Do something healthy.
	Doctors never have that discussion with their patients.
	You know what they say?
	Here, take these drugs and then we'll mask your symptoms.
	We'll manage your disease.
	Western medicine is a disease management system, not a disease resolution system.
	Western medicine doesn't cure disease.
	It manages disease.
	It is a sick care system, not a healthcare system.
	And if you add an AI layer to a sick care system, it doesn't transform it into a healthcare system.
	It just makes it a more efficiently operated sick care system where the AI can replace the human doctor in deciding what drugs to prescribe.
	Essentially, if you think about it, doctors, this is conventional Western doctors, they function as robots right now.
	I've described them as human skin bag vending machines for big pharma.
	That's mostly all they do.
	They assess symptoms and then they prescribe drugs.
	Well, it turns out that that function can be readily automated, which means that almost all human doctors can be replaced by AI very easily with the same results, which are horrible.
	So here, again, AI won't solve disease.
	Now, there's another huge barrier in all of this, a philosophical barrier that's fundamental to the pillars of Western medicine, fundamental to Western thought.
	And that is the idea that disease is spontaneous and it appears without cause.
	And this is the predominant belief of nearly all Western doctors.
	And they will even express this to their patients.
	They'll say things like, oh, you've been diagnosed with cancer.
	There's nothing you could have done to stop it.
	It's not your fault.
	Look, your parents had cancer too.
	So therefore, it's genetic.
	There's nothing you could have done.
	That is a lie, number one, because there are a thousand things that you can do to not grow cancer in your body.
	And also, by the time cancer is diagnosed, it's been growing in your body for typically 10 to 20 years.
	You think large tumors appear magically overnight like they're teleported into your tissue?
	No.
	It doesn't work that way because we don't live in a magical tumor world.
	We live in a world where tumors grow because, well, there are cells that get signals for angiogenesis, which is to build blood vessels in supply.
	To borrow or steal or rob the body of its resources through the blood, it builds out blood vessels and then it has errors in cell division so that it doesn't know when to stop dividing.
	So really, cancer is a cellular communication problem.
	But Western doctors don't acknowledge that and mostly they don't even know that.
	And so they poison the body with chemotherapy, which is completely insane.
	It's like trying to kill a house fly by setting the house on fire.
	But that's what they do, and they call it medicine.
	And they enforce it through censorship and also through state medical boards that make sure that we are stuck in the past and that medicine never moves forward.
	Because if we're stuck in the past, that financially benefits big pharma, which of course runs the state medical boards and finances the mainstream media and finances the medical journals, etc.
	So we're stuck in this mindset of spontaneous disease, which means that most conventional doctors believe in magic, which is disease without cause.
	And because they believe in that, they miss the causes.
	They don't recognize the existence of causes.
	And that's why they never talk about causes.
	If someone has type 2 diabetes, believe me, there was a cause.
	I used to have borderline type 2 diabetes decades ago.
	That's what actually got me into this realm, starting to study the association between foods and the health effects that you get.
	Because I was drinking soda, I was eating processed high-sugar foods, and I was nutrient deficient.
	And I had hypoglycemia, which was an early blood sugar disorder, and then bordered on type 2 diabetes.
	If I had followed my doctor's advice, I would probably be dead by now.
	If not, I would be obese and I would be taking insulin and my heart would be a wreck and everything, life would suck.
	That's what happens when you follow doctors.
	But because I rejected that, then I became who I am today, the Health Ranger.
	In perfect health, no blood sugar problems.
	I drink avocado, banana, whey protein, smoothies infused with black cumin seed oil and things like broccoli sprouts high in sulforaphane, which have neuroprotective effects and anti-inflammatory effects and anti-cancer effects, etc., etc.
	And that's just a small part of what I do.
	Obviously, I supplement with resveratrol and turmeric and all kinds of things.
	And so I've created an environment where it's impossible for cancer tumors to continue to grow because every day I'm feeding my body anti-cancer signals, anti-cancer signals.
	And those signals come from mostly plants.
	That's right.
	Plants.
	I mean, think about it.
	Where does resveratrol come from?
	Which does have anti-cancer properties, but it's mostly known for cardiovascular protection.
	Where does it come from?
	Well, in the supplement form, it's mostly derived from Japanese knot weed, but in nature, a more familiar form, it comes from red grapes and grape leaves.
	And it's in the grape skins more than the flesh of the grape.
	And this is why red wine has resveratrol in it also.
	And this also explains what's called the French paradox, which is how is it that in the French culture, they can eat such high-fat foods and yet they don't die of heart disease and cancer if they're following a traditional French diet.
	Yeah, it's because of resveratrol.
	And it's also because of elements of the Mediterranean diet, which have healthy non-fried oils, such as cold olive oil drizzled onto salads.
	And I mean the real olive oil, which is pungent and spicy, not that counterfeit crap that you're buying at the grocery store that says olive oil on it, but it isn't.
	It's just relabeled seed oils for the most part.
	There are exceptions to that.
	But if your olive oil doesn't have a bite, it's not real olive oil.
	And also, by the way, probably 80% of the honey you buy at the grocery store is counterfeit honey.
	It's just repackaged corn syrup.
	But anyway, that's a whole nother podcast.
	A lot of people think they're eating food, but they're actually eating what I call shadow food.
	It's not even real food.
	And then they wonder why they have health problems.
	Not that their doctor is even helping them with any kind of guidance whatsoever.
	The doctor is just hitting them with chemicals, which makes everything worse.
	You know, a lot of these pharmaceuticals, they deplete your body of the minerals that have anti-cancer effects.
	And so the more drugs you take, the higher your risk of cancer goes.
	And then just to make sure that you get cancer, especially women, once a year, what do they want you to do?
	Smash your breast at a pancake flattener machine called a mammogram, which emits ionizing radiation that causes cancer on purpose.
	It irradiates not just your breast, but your lungs and your heart.
	Also, year after year after year.
	Do you think that if you walk through the Chernobyl nuclear power plant every year, like an annual tour, you think you might get cancer?
	Yes.
	The cancer industry makes sure that you get cancer because that's their profit model.
	That's how they, that's repeat business for them.
	Okay, so mammograms are designed to cause cancer.
	And the cancer industry thrives on cancer.
	It does not thrive by telling you how to not get cancer.
	And that's why oncologists almost never tell their patients about vitamin D or black cumin seed oil or anti-cancer nutrients or anti-cancer lifestyles or the anti-cancer effects of sunlight exposure.
	No, they tell you the sun will kill you.
	Hide from the light.
	Duck in the shadows.
	Live in darkness.
	This is what they say.
	And they want you to live in darkness figuratively also by making sure that you're ignorant about the causes of cancer.
	So getting back to AI, if you take all of these broken philosophical assumptions upon which Western medicine is rooted, and then you add an AI layer to them, it doesn't solve disease.
	It doesn't cure cancer.
	It doesn't cure diabetes, etc.
	All it does is it makes the sick care industry more efficient to operate by replacing human doctors with AI doctors that are still pushing pills.
	If you want to know how to cure cancer, we already have the answers, and all those answers are freely available to you through the AI tools that I built that my company pays for.
	And you can find them all completely free to use at brighteon.ai.
	And there you can click on any of the four tools you want.
	One of them is called BrightU.ai.
	That's our chatbot.
	And it has been trained, meticulously trained on this curated data set of knowledge that I spent two years pulling together.
	And we spent about $2 million on that effort.
	And that knowledge, it's the world's best knowledge about nutrition, phytochemistry, anti-cancer protocols, alternative and natural medicine, prevention, etc.
	And there's a wellness coach on that site.
	So if you want to know how do you prevent cancer, reverse cancer, cure cancer, we already have the answers and you can access them for free.
	And our engine knows more about cancer, about human health, about nutrition, than any human doctor living today or any doctor that has ever lived in the history of planet Earth or any doctor that ever will live.
	Our engine knows more right now, free of charge, than every doctor you've ever visited.
	And that infuriates them, by the way, because their entire shtick relies on their arrogance and your ignorance.
	And the minute you start to become educated yourself, then your doctor gets infuriated because they know that if you get healthy, you're no longer going to need their services.
	They're sick care services.
	And you can get healthy.
	And you can download all the books for free at brightlearn.ai.
	And there are books on anti-cancer protocols.
	There are books on avoiding toxins.
	They're all free.
	They're all under a Creative Commons attribution license.
	You can download them and use them for free.
	You can share them.
	You can spread them around.
	You can put them on torrent websites.
	In fact, I encourage you to do so.
	All of our tools are free to use.
	So in a sense, AI, AI hasn't solved disease, but AI has allowed you to solve your disease by having access to decentralized knowledge that has previously been censored.
	So AI is an enabler.
	It can be in the way that we are using it.
	AI is an enabler of decentralized knowledge.
	And that's the cure for cancer.
	In other words, the single most important step in curing cancer is to fire your doctor.
	The single most important step to reversing type 2 diabetes, it's the same.
	Fire your doctor.
	Educate yourself and then change your choices.
	Change your behavior.
	You can shift from a pro-cancer diet to an anti-cancer diet starting with your very next meal.
	And the only reason you haven't done that so far, if you haven't, is because you just didn't know.
	And that's the way your doctor likes it.
	And that's the way the drug companies want it.
	And that's the way the FDA wants it and the CDC wants it and your state medical board, etc.
	They want you ignorant, whereas I want you to be informed.
	And when you're informed, you're going to find that You don't need these pill-pushing, you know, human skin bag vending machines that pretend to be doctors, but they're not.
	They're just pharmaceutical representatives.
	The real healing takes place within you.
	No doctor can heal you.
	Only you, and perhaps touched by the hand of God, only you can heal yourself.
	And you do that by changing what you do.
	You change your food intake.
	You add in nutrition that your body is missing.
	You shift to organic consumption to avoid pesticides, herbicides, and other toxic chemicals, like the bio-sludge toxins that conventional crops are grown in.
	Did you know that?
	Yeah.
	If you do these things, then you will be able to revolutionize your own health.
	And the healing will come from within.
	Because the thing that Western medicine won't tell you, and also that a lot of machine learning scientists don't understand, is that you are responsible for your health outcome.
	You and only you can change the results that you get.
	No AI engine can do that for you, and no doctor can do it for you, and no drug can do it for you.
	You alone determine the outcome.
	And that accumulates day by day, meal after meal, hour after hour, based on your decisions.
	And those decisions should be based on your knowledge.
	And your knowledge can now be upgraded completely free using our free tools, for example.
	And, you know, don't trust ChatGPT because it's programmed with just a bunch of Western medicine vaccine pimping propaganda.
	If you want real health information, you have to use the alternative GPT type of engines like ours at brightu.ai.
	So the machine learning scientists are going to be very disappointed when AI does solve high-level math problems, which it will, and it solves high-level physics problems, but it doesn't solve cancer, and it doesn't solve diabetes, and it doesn't solve even aging.
	It doesn't solve Alzheimer's.
	It never will.
	Those solutions are outside the realm of AI.
	They're in the realm of the intelligence of Mother Nature, which is just an expression of the intelligence of the Creator, who has designed our universe as the intelligent architect with an intelligent design.
	And your body is also an expression of that.
	You have an intelligent immune system.
	You have an intelligent neural network system capable of learning things.
	I encourage you to exercise it.
	Use the brain God gave you and start learning how to reverse cancer and stop waiting around for, quote, science or AI or the government to come along and make you healthy.
	That's never going to happen.
	If you expect that to happen, you will go to your grave waiting for that to happen.
	It will never happen.
	You know, they say in the Trump movement, make America healthy again.
	You actually can't make America healthy again.
	The only person you can make healthy is yourself.
	Make yourself healthy again.
	Everybody else, it's up to them.
	They have to choose.
	And you can't choose for them.
	You can't force them to eat healthier and stop drinking soda, you know, and stop eating a bunch of canola oil or other garbage seed oils that used to be used as like lubricants, you know, industrial lubricants, and then they repackaged it.
	Used to be named rapeseed oil.
	That didn't sell.
	So they called it canola.
	And then they had a big canola marketing push.
	They told everybody it's heart healthy and it's all a lie.
	So everybody's eating, they're eating, you know, lubricants.
	Okay.
	They're eating lubricants and wondering why, you know, why they have heart problems.
	Yeah.
	I wonder.
	I wonder.
	You'd be healthier eating lard and butter and eggs than all that seed oil garbage.
	Of course, you should eat a healthy amount of fruit and vegetables and nutritional supplements, etc.
	I'm not saying to focus on a, you know, a meat diet or anything like that, but certainly don't eat the lubricants, okay?
	The seed oils.
	So anyway, if you want to be healthy, that knowledge is easily within your reach.
	And again, the tools where you can find all that are found at brightion.ai.
	I'm the developer of all those tools, and there's much more yet to come.
	So this is actually great news.
	You don't have to wait for anybody to solve your health problem.
	All you have to do is get informed and start making decisions, start changing your behavior little by little.
	You are in control and you can do more for your health than any other person on the planet, including any doctor.
	And I'm not saying that doctors are useless.
	You know, ER doctors are great.
	They help people in emergencies, dealing with injuries, dealing with acute heart attacks, etc.
	There's a role for doctors.
	There's a role for surgeons.
	There's a role for anesthesia.
	There's a role for antibiotics with acute infections, etc.
	But when a doctor tells you, here, take this pill for the rest of your life and it will control your cholesterol, then that's when you should fire that doctor and start to self-educate.
	Otherwise, you'll die on statin drugs.
	Choice is yours.
	Very simple.
	So thank you for listening.
	I'm Mike Adams, Health Ranger.
	If you'd like to follow more of my work, you can follow me on Brighteon.com or articles at naturalnews.com or you can follow me on X at HealthRanger.
	So thank you for listening.
	Take care.
	The consequence of excluding 20% of the nation's population from schools, both public and private.
	Is that the message we want to send?
	We want to keep our best and brightest students out of our schools.
	China doesn't do that.
	We are an underdog.
	We are at a disadvantage to China.
	We're definitely behind the game.
	They're leading the charge with AI and with robotics and with everything else, really.
	And we really need to catch up if we want to compete because that puts us at a disadvantage as a superpowers at a disadvantage for our national security.
	Welcome to today's interview here on Brighteon.com.
	I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon, and we're joined today by Brian Festa from We the Patriots USA.
	And we've got some breaking news and analysis on a decision by the United States Supreme Court that has huge implications for vaccine freedom and religious exemptions across the country.
	So welcome, Brian.
	It's always an honor to have you on the show.
	Thanks, Mike.
	I appreciate you having me back.
	It's, man, I tell you, I have a great time talking with you.
	You're doing such amazing work.
	I want to remind people to visit your website, wethepatriotsusa.org.
	And here it is.
	And we're going to get into more about your site later in the interview.
	But tell us about the breaking news that just landed.
	This is huge.
	Honestly, I don't think I'm overstating it to say that this is the biggest development, the biggest legal development in the health freedom movement ever.
	And the reason I say that is because heretofore, the U.S. Supreme Court has declined to take up any cases to address any cases involving religious exemptions to vaccinations in a school setting.
	And we've been waiting for this moment.
	It's been building.
	We've been, we've known it was coming, right?
	Because all these other school cases have come before the U.S. Supreme Court in recent years, and they've consistently ruled in favor of religious liberty.
	So, you had, for instance, Kennedy versus Bremerd School District in Washington State, the high school football coach who was praying on the football field after games, they ruled in favor of him, said, Yes, First Amendment protects your religious liberty to do that.
	The school district can't punish you, can't fire you for doing that.
	And we had another case in Maine for school choice, where the state of Maine wanted to give school choice vouchers for secular private schools, but wouldn't do it for Christian schools, for religious schools.
	Supreme Court said, No, you can't do that.
	State, you have to respect religious liberty.
	And then, importantly, most importantly, for the purposes of this case that I'm going to talk about today, we had the decision in Mahmoud v. Taylor just this June, June of this year, in which parents sued the school district for refusing to allow them to opt out of LGBTQ plus whatever you want to call it curriculum in schools, dangerous curriculum is what I'll call it for their children,
	indoctrination for their children that they did not agree with because of their religious beliefs.
	And again, the Supreme Court said in a public school setting, parents have religious freedom.
	They don't lose their religious freedoms.
	They don't surrender their religious freedoms at the schoolhouse door.
	So it follows them into the classroom.
	These students and their parents have religious freedom protected by the First Amendment, even within a public school classroom.
	And that's when I knew when I saw that decision, and they were clear that it wasn't restricted only to curriculum involving LGBTQ issues.
	They were very clear that this was a religious freedom decision.
	I knew as soon as I saw that our day was coming real, real soon.
	Well, that day came yesterday, the first part of it, anyway.
	We're not across the finish line quite yet, but we're closer than we've ever been to getting the religious exemption restored in all the states that's been lost, which is about 20% of the nation's population, by the way.
	California, New York, Connecticut, Maine, and actually, West Virginia doesn't fully have theirs either right now.
	But those are the states, the main states where it's been lost.
	That's about 20% collectively of the nation's population does not have religious freedom in schools.
	And it's not only public schools, actually, in states like Connecticut and New York, it's pub in California too.
	It's public and private schools, which, you know, the state should have no right to say what happens at a private religious institution.
	And that's exactly what Miller v. McDonald involves.
	That's the case yesterday that the U.S. Supreme Court granted cert on.
	There was a cert petition, which is an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court because they had lost it the Second Circuit.
	This was a lawsuit filed on behalf of three Amish community schools, they're called.
	So the Amish, as you know, in most cases, do not vaccinate.
	They object to vaccinations on religious grounds.
	These schools continued to allow religious exemptions in their schools, even after New York had repealed the religious exemption for school vaccinations in 2019.
	June of 2019 is when New York repealed their religious exemption, removed it, abolished it.
	But they continued to allow it.
	They filed a federal lawsuit.
	That federal lawsuit went to the Second Circuit.
	They appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, and the U.S. Supreme Court granted cert, which is very rare, and they granted it for the purposes of remanding it back to the Second Circuit in light of the Mahmoud v. Taylor decision this past year.
	Interesting.
	That's an argument we have been making since Mahmood was released, and courts have been dismissing it.
	Defendants' counsel has been all but laughing at us, saying it doesn't apply.
	You can't apply this to vaccinations.
	That's not what the court intended at all.
	Basically, calling us crazy, everything but crazy.
	We knew we weren't crazy.
	And yesterday, the Supreme Court of the United States agreed that we weren't crazy because we made that argument in a supplemental brief motion that we filed in August of this year, shortly after Mahmoud was handed down to the district court in Connecticut for our Milford Christian Church lawsuit.
	We, the Patriots USA, filed a lawsuit on behalf of a Christian school who was doing the exact same thing.
	So the facts are almost identical to this Amish case.
	In our case, this Christian church, Milford Christian Church, runs a preschool and daycare called Little Eagles, Preschool and Daycare.
	And the state came in and threatened to shut them down because they continued to allow religious exemptions for their families.
	They said, either you get all the children vaccinated or you kick all the unvaccinated children out, or we're shutting you down within like two weeks.
	They came to us, we filed a federal lawsuit.
	We've been successful in keeping that school open all this time.
	That was in 2023.
	Same thing happened in the Amish case, except instead of shutting them down, they fined them.
	I think the fines ran up to like $150,000 or something.
	They fined the schools.
	But in both instances, we had the state going after a religious school or schools and punishing them because they continued to recognize religious exemptions for the families that attended that school, for the students that attended that school.
	Identical facts, identical legal arguments.
	We made the same legal arguments.
	They made the same legal arguments we did.
	Ours was actually filed a little bit before, but they were both filed, I think, in 2023.
	And we cited Mahmood in our supplemental brief this past August.
	District court dismissed it, said doesn't apply.
	Now it's pending appeal.
	Our case is at the Second Circuit as well.
	At the same time, Miller v. McDonald was just sent down to the Second Circuit.
	So we will seek to have these cases consolidated because they should be heard together.
	They're the exact same fact pattern, exact same legal issues.
	And hopefully the court hears them together.
	That is our hope.
	It's up to the court.
	We don't dictate that, but we can request it.
	And then I'll tell you what will happen after.
	I've got so many questions here, and I want to restate this and make sure that I'm on the right track.
	So essentially, the U.S. Supreme Court is indicating that it believes the Second Circuit District Court has made a mistake and needs to reconsider this case.
	Yes.
	Or the facts of the case in light of the First Amendment and the religious expression, you know, religious protections under the First Amendment.
	I suppose that's what they cited.
	But you can talk about it.
	They're not out.
	I just want to be clear, Mike.
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	Because I don't want to misstate.
	I don't want to speak for the Supreme Court and get myself in trouble.
	I want to be absolutely clear.
	The Supreme Court has not said that they must rule in favor of the plaintiffs because Mahmood says so.
	Right.
	They have simply said you need to issue a new decision that takes into account that recognizes Mahmood.
	Now, that to many lawyers, to many legal scholars looking at this, that does signal potentially and likely an indication that they think Mahmood is relevant enough that they should be using the Mahmood standard to see whether the school has engaged in activity that burdens religion,
	that burdens these religious beliefs, rather than just completely disregarding it, saying it's a neutral law of general applicability under employment division v. Smith, the 1990 workers or unemployment compensation case.
	Totally irrelevant, but they've continued to do that to say that it's a neutral law of general applicability.
	It's not neutral.
	It certainly is hostile toward religious beliefs because they allow secular exemptions in all these states.
	In other words, medical exemptions, those are also known as non-religious exemptions.
	They allow those, but yet they don't allow religious exemptions.
	So, how is that neutral toward religion?
	It's not.
	So, yeah.
	But when the U.S. Supreme Court sends a signal like this, this is a very strong and rare, as you mentioned, signal that is all but ordering the district court to reconsider its ruling based on this new precedent.
	I mean, in how many, in what percentage of cases similar to this would then the district court correctly overturn its previous ruling?
	What's the percent chance of that in your professional opinion?
	Well, do you mean the circuit court?
	Because it was sent back to the second circuit.
	I'm sorry, the circuit court.
	The district court.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I just want to be clear because the district court is out of the loop now.
	They've made their decision.
	No, I just spoke.
	I meant circuit.
	No, no, it's fine.
	Someone asked me the same thing.
	A very intelligent person yesterday asked me the same thing.
	So it's legal stuff.
	Yeah.
	But it is important, though, because the circuit courts, for anyone watching who may not know, because I'm sure some people in your audience may not be clear on this.
	Circuit courts are the highest appellate court, the highest level of review before you get to the Supreme Court.
	And most cases die at the, or I shouldn't say die, but they get their final decisions at the circuit court because the Supreme Court only takes up 1% of the cases that are appealed to it per year.
	So they have approximately 8,000 appeals per year.
	They only take up 80.
	If my math is correct, 80 out of 8,000 is 1%.
	Yeah.
	That's still a lot.
	That's a lot of cases to deal with.
	80 cases for nine justices.
	And these are complex cases.
	You see some of these decisions, they're 60, 70 pages long for each decision.
	And they're not in session all year.
	Remember, in the summer, they're not in session.
	So this is a strong indication that they think, yes, in my opinion, my professional opinion, I never speak for the justices, but in my opinion, this is an indication that they believe Mahmood certainly does apply and that this could be an unlawful, unconstitutional infringement on the free exercise of religion, as we saw in Mahmood.
	And my guess would be, again, I don't like to speculate, but if I had to guess, if the Second Circuit rules against the plaintiffs, I feel very strongly the Supreme Court would take this up.
	And I think the chances of getting a favorable decision for the plaintiffs are very, very high, very likely that they would get a favorable ruling.
	Again, who knows what's going to happen between now and then?
	Maybe they'll look at the facts in a different light.
	Maybe they'll learn something else about the case that sways them against the plaintiffs.
	Who knows?
	But all indications are now that they believe that the new standard they've set forth in Mahmood does apply to this case.
	They've asked the Second Circuit to review it.
	It's almost, I don't want to say they painted the Second Circuit into a corner, but it almost feels that way.
	Right.
	Saying, hey, hey, listen, you can't ignore this.
	Now, you know, do the right thing and apply Mahmood and see how your decision comes out.
	Then, if they thought that Mahmood wouldn't change the Second Circuit's decision, why would they send it back to them?
	Think about this logically.
	Why would you send the case back and say, issue a new decision using the Mahmood analysis if the Mahmood analysis was going to reach, was going to lead them to the same exact decision?
	Of course.
	Of course.
	It wouldn't make sense.
	But my question is, so suppose the Second Circuit then reverses their earlier decision and says, yes, the religious exemptions must be respected in, was this regarding Pennsylvania or is it New York?
	New York.
	This is New York.
	Okay.
	And our case is Connecticut.
	Okay.
	Both in the Second Circuit.
	So then what are the implications in California or other states from that decision?
	Because it hasn't yet, at that point, the Second Circuit. gives you the decision you want.
	The Supreme Court never gave you that decision.
	Right.
	So if the Supreme Court never weighs in on it and never issues their own decision, because they haven't issued a decision here, they've issued an order.
	That's not a decision.
	That's an order for the Second Circuit.
	So if the Supreme Court never weighs in, then it's only binding in the Second Circuit, which is New York, Connecticut, Vermont.
	Interestingly, Vermont's thrown in there.
	But Vermont still has a religious exemption.
	But I will say, I don't think that's going to happen.
	I think the Supreme Court is absolutely going to hear this case.
	I'd be surprised if New York and Connecticut, if our case is consolidated, I'd be surprised if those states don't appeal to the Supreme Court.
	Because remember, they have the right to appeal too.
	So even if the plaintiffs win, I think it's pretty certain that the states are going to appeal.
	And when the states appeal, the Supreme Court, I'm not saying they're definitely take it up, but I think there's a higher likelihood given that they set this back down to the Second Circuit.
	So obviously they're paying close attention to this.
	They think it's a matter of great importance, an issue of great importance.
	And if the states themselves are appealing it, they may want to clarify so that other states like California and Maine, Maine's in the first circuit, California's in the ninth, so that they will be protected as well.
	I do worry about one thing, Mike.
	I worry about if the plaintiffs win here and everybody's protected now, the Second Circuit rules in favor of the plaintiffs, which I think is actually very likely because they know the Supreme Court is watching this carefully, has ordered them to issue a new decision.
	I think there's actually a really good chance the Second Circuit's going to rule in favor of the plaintiffs.
	Again, don't want to speak for them, but I think there's just my opinion, my guess.
	If they do that, there's a chance.
	New York and Connecticut don't appeal it because they're maybe they are so the powers that be the elected and appointed leaders in that state my former home state I lived for many, many years, for decades.
	They are so hell-bent on pushing the big pharma agenda and they are so against religious exemptions.
	I wouldn't be surprised if they do their friends in California and Maine a solid in their eyes and just not appeal it so that and then it just it's only a second circuit decision.
	Don't want to put that out there too much and advertise that.
	If in case they weren't thinking about it.
	But guess what, they were.
	Knowing how these people think, they've already thought this all through.
	They've already got that planned out.
	So if that's their plan, they were thinking about it long before Brian Fest ever said it.
	But then people would initiate lawsuits in places like Oregon and California and they would cite the second circuit precedent yes and, but that would Take longer.
	We would.
	We already have a lawsuit in California that's waiting in the wings.
	So if California doesn't give it back after the Second Circuit decision, we would immediately, if we end up our case in California, gets dismissed, we would absolutely appeal, cite that Second Circuit decision.
	Hopefully, the Supreme Court would then take it up there.
	And then, unless, again, who knows what's going to happen with our California case, our California case is outrageous.
	I think I've talked to you about it already on this show, so I won't go back into it.
	But that's where they charge the parents with truancy, even though they're the ones that kicked the kid out of school for having religious exemption, Mentura, California.
	That one's still pending at the Ninth Circuit.
	So, you know, we've got cases, we've got a case there.
	We've got multiple cases.
	I think two cases now in Connecticut.
	We're about to file a third on behalf of a special education student that is being kicked out of school and denied services for having a religious exemption, which is a violation of federal law in addition to the Constitution.
	So there's just, we have a lot waiting in the wings.
	So even if this doesn't pan out perfectly, we have other cases, but this is as close as we've ever been.
	And I feel more confident than I've ever felt that we're going to win back the religious exemption for schools, not just in New York, but also all the other states.
	Okay, I want to remind people to visit your website.
	It's wethepatriotsusa.org.
	And there's a donate button right there at the top.
	You click on that donate button, help support this incredible organization.
	You know, Brian, you're doing extraordinary work, and I know you're overburdened and underfunded, which that's just the way it is.
	But our audience can help you.
	Yeah, we can help you with the interview we're doing today, but I just want to underscore the urgency of this for our audience because, like you said, this opportunity has never existed before.
	This is, and it probably would not exist if Trump were not president.
	You know, there's a lot of pressure, I think.
	There's, you know, indirect pressure.
	Not that Trump can, you know, overrule the judges because he can't, but there's still, there's cultural and there's administrative and executive pressure that the judges sense in their own decisions.
	And right now, our country is moving away from the mandates and the lockdowns.
	And my question to you on this, Brian, is if the Supreme Court rules that this school must or the state must respect the religious exemptions of these schools, would that also impact universities nationwide, medical schools?
	What kinds of schools would it impact?
	So certainly in any case where the state has, certainly any religious institutions, first of all, certainly any religious institutions, that's the most limited decision.
	So I'm trying to think through how they could issue a decision.
	They could do it in one of various ways, but let's say it's restricted only to religious schools like the Amish School, like Milford Christian.
	Religious schools have the right to continue allowing exemptions.
	Let's say they limit it just to that scope, then it would really only be limited to religious schools in that sense.
	So private K-12 schools, as well as even religious universities and colleges, would be allowed to continue accepting religious exemptions.
	That would be a very limited decision.
	But if they go so far as to say the state not allowing, which is what we would hope for and what I'm confident the attorneys would argue for, is a broader decision saying the state denying students and families, not just the schools, but the individual plaintiffs, the individual families, the right to religious exemptions is a violation of the First Amendment and probably the 14th Amendment, equal protection, things like that.
	Then in that case, it would be broad and it would apply across the board.
	It applied to all K-12 schools, all at the very least, public universities, and then also these Christian religious institutions, universities, and colleges as well.
	I think that's the decision we're all aiming for, obviously.
	We don't want it, although it would be nice and would create a lot more refuges in these kinds of state, in states like Connecticut, New York, California, and Maine, in having religious schools parents could send their children to.
	I think it would be obviously much better.
	And I think I know what we all want is a broader decision to protect the religious freedom of all people, whether it's in a public school setting or private school.
	And it's important to note that Mahmood was a public school.
	So the fact that they want to apply the reasoning in Mahmood, they want the Second Circuit to apply the reasoning and Mahmood to this case gives me great hope that it's going to apply to public schools as well, because that was a public school.
	That was not a private secular school or religious school or anything like that.
	That was a public school setting where they were trying to teach this indoctrination curriculum.
	And they said, no, you have to allow parents to opt out of that.
	So this is critical for so many reasons.
	And thank you for that explanation.
	But right now, we're going to take a bigger picture look at this beyond the individual liberty argument that you've already spelled out.
	But geopolitically, for the United States to try to compete with China, let's say, on engineering and AI models, quantum computing, those areas, we need more capable engineers graduating out of our system.
	Right now, China is actually producing five times more STEM graduates than the United States every year.
	I mean, it's not even close at this point.
	Well, vaccines cause autism and vaccines cause neurological damage.
	And I just saw a story where the freshmen entering the University of California, San Diego, I think the story said that one-eighth of them could not achieve seventh grade math and they have to go through remedial math training, even though their average high school math grades were A minus, they were mathematically illiterate.
	So the fact that vaccines are being used to damage the neurology of our children has geopolitical ramifications that are causing the United States to lose this race to AI dominance and many other areas of technology where China is doing much better than the United States.
	So speak to that, you know, beyond the religious arguments, which themselves have all the merit that should be necessary, but there's this other argument of we can't keep damaging our children and then expect to make America great again.
	Absolutely.
	There's no question about that.
	You know, there's a lot of aspects to unpack in what you just described, the geopolitical consequences, but also the causes of those low literacy scores, whether it's mathematic literacy or reading, what have you.
	Part of it is the education system in America is garbage in most public schools.
	It's really, really bad in many public schools.
	President Trump has talked about that again and again, which is why he's overhauling Department of Education.
	But also think about this.
	Think about the consequence of excluding 20% of the nation's population from schools, both public and private schools, some very, very good private schools that do have quality education.
	You have kicked those bright students out, denied them the chance in many cases to get those kinds of advanced degrees.
	Not that homeschooling students can't get into good colleges because they do all the time.
	They're the smartest kids going.
	They are.
	Honestly, but it creates more roadblocks.
	You're just creating more impediments.
	You're keeping kids out of school.
	Is that the message we want to send?
	We want to keep our best and brightest students out of our schools.
	China doesn't do that.
	You know, every child's in school.
	So I'm not saying they don't mass vaccinate either, but it's just a different paradigm here.
	And so there's a lot of different facets of that.
	But yes, I absolutely think there is a ripple effect here on the geopolitical stage.
	We are an underdog.
	We are at a disadvantage to China, absolutely, when it comes to STEM, the STEM sciences, the fields of science, technology, engineering, math.
	We are behind the eight ball there.
	We're definitely behind the game.
	They're leading the charge with AI and with robotics and with everything else, really.
	And we really need to catch up if we want to compete because that puts us at a disadvantage as a superpowers at a disadvantage for our national security.
	It's a national security.
	Yes, it's a national security issue.
	That's my point as well.
	And thank you for helping to explain that.
	You know, there was an AI conference that just took place in the United States.
	The predominant language that was spoken in the halls, you know, between the presentation sessions, predominant language is Mandarin.
	And the AI developers in U.S. companies like Google, when they meet, they're often speaking in Mandarin for the entire meeting.
	This just shows you, see, China's got over 1.4 billion people.
	And yes, they are vaccinating.
	It's not the same vaccines that we vaccinate with.
	But because of their population size, even if they do damage some number of children with their vaccines, which is horrific, but they have the raw numbers to make up for it in terms of how many students they have.
	Here in the U.S., our population is one-fourth to one-fifth of China's.
	We can't afford to damage children's brains with vaccines.
	And so that's why your work is so important, Brian, because for the parents that recognize that vaccines present a risk and are unnecessary.
	They're unsafe and ineffective.
	They don't stop transmission and they don't stop actually contracting diseases, especially COVID.
	We've already seen that.
	Children don't need those vaccines.
	What they need is for their parents to protect them from the vaccine military industrial complex, in my opinion.
	So your thoughts on that?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I mean, I don't spend a ton of time talking about the science because those aren't arguments that necessarily carry the day in court.
	However, as you know, Mike, and as I've explained to your audience before, although I'm sure you have new listeners since I did, you know, I got into this work because of a very serious vaccine injury in my son.
	He was injured when he was only a year old by a flu shot of all things, in addition to some other vaccines he had received in utero before we knew better and ultimately regressed into autism, PANS, which is a very serious autoimmune disease, and other disabilities.
	I'm not going to get into all of them now, but lifelong crippling disabilities, really.
	And so I saw that firsthand.
	I saw what it did to my child, and I didn't want it to happen to another child.
	And so, yes, allowing children the opportunity to opt out does protect them physically as well as spiritually.
	Now, we do have sincere, my family does have sincere religious objections as well.
	Once we found out, for instance, what was in these shots and they were produced, manufactured, using, and tested on aborted fetal cell lines, and then other ingredients, things like formaldehyde, animal DNA, bovine DNA, pig DNA, porcine.
	They call it gelatin.
	I mean, just the list goes on and on and on of the really horrific and freaky, like frankincense here that's involved in the manufacture and development of vaccines that goes against my faith, the teachings of my faith, and many, many other faiths.
	Most world religions would prohibit these things.
	And so we've had plaintiffs and our lawsuits from a variety of walks of life.
	We've had a Muslim plaintiff, we've had Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, other Protestant Christian denominations, because most of the world, most of the religions in the world would oppose something that's in these vaccines or something about the way that they're manufactured.
	So there are definite religious arguments to be made, but then you have to look at this practically from the physical sense, the health.
	And I know you've dedicated your life to health, to teaching people about health and wellness with your Health Ranger store and your guides and the wisdom that you've shared, your knowledge and experience that you've learned over the course of, you know, whatever it is, four decades or however long you've been doing, three decades, four decades.
	I don't want to age you too much, but 25 years is how long I've been.
	25.
	So going on three decades.
	You're working on your third decade.
	I'm working on it.
	Yeah.
	You're working on it.
	And that's good.
	And I hope you have many more decades to go.
	But at the end of the day, this is scary.
	This is a threat.
	It's a threat to national security.
	It's a threat to our children's health.
	It's a threat to their spirituality because this is a battle between good and evil.
	And we need to all stand united in this.
	You know, over the years, I've seen a lot of great things and I've seen a lot of not so great things come out of the health freedom movement, infighting, all this other nonsense.
	This is the time where we need to come together.
	Even if our case isn't directly involved in this, we have all, whether it's children's health defense, we the patriots who say I can, Aaron Siri, we have all fought for years and years and years for this moment.
	We need to come together.
	We need to stand united and we need to get this victory because victory is finally within our grasp.
	Mike wow, that is right.
	And I'm, yeah, I'm very thankful for Aaron Siri.
	And I pity anybody that tries to debate him on the floor of the Senate.
	By the way, it won't be me.
	I'll be sitting there by his side if I could.
	Exactly.
	No, Aaron knows his facts so much.
	He just puts everybody in their place.
	But let's talk about the downside to this.
	Suppose the Supreme Court doesn't support religious freedoms when it comes to vaccine decisions.
	And everything is lost on this.
	Suppose that were to happen.
	That seems unlikely, but it's within the realm of possibility.
	Wouldn't that mean then that any state could require any child that goes to any school to be injected with any substance, literally any substance that they call a vaccine?
	And they can change that definition like they did with COVID because these mRNA jabs are not technically vaccines.
	They're gene therapy interventions, mostly untested, of course, in a way that we would consider to be sufficient.
	No long-term clinical trials, et cetera, approved under emergency use authorization.
	But what kind of insanity would that unleash where the state can demand that every child be injected with any experimental toxin regardless of the consequences?
	Well, it sounds really, really horrific, but when you step back for a moment, you realize something.
	And what that is, is that we're already in that place right now.
	It would just bring us back to where we are now.
	The states of New York, California, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Illinois, the list goes on and on.
	They already believe they have the right to do that.
	True.
	They've been trying in their legislatures for years to take away the religious exemption.
	And the only reason states that haven't passed it, haven't passed it, has been because of the uprising of the people and of families coming to the legislature.
	It's not because they don't believe legally they can.
	Almost every decision in the United States has affirmed their right to take away religious freedom and mandate vaccinations.
	It's only Mississippi, which was Aaron Siri's case as well.
	And there's been a decision recently in West Virginia that have recognized that they should have a right.
	Again, Aaron Siri is involved in that case as well.
	Those are the only places in the country where there have been favorable legal decisions.
	But West Virginia is not done yet.
	And they're actually, there's a stay on that order.
	So they don't have the religious exemption back yet.
	It's really only Mississippi that's had a high court ruling in the state to say you must honor religious exemptions.
	Every other case where this issue has come up, they've ruled against it.
	So the weight of the evidence, including unfortunately, our case, previous federal lawsuit that went to the Supreme Court that wasn't taken up by them, but it went through the Second Circuit.
	And this Miller v. McDonald case, which luckily has now been remanded, but that was also dismissed by the Second Circuit.
	The Ninth Circuit has dismissed cases on this issue.
	So really, when they look around the country today, they already feel emboldened that the law is on their side.
	Well, maybe not today.
	Before yesterday, they did.
	But all it would do is return the country to the state we're at now.
	So that's why I say we have nothing to lose here, because all it's going to do is return it to the status quo that we already have.
	We already have a country in which you have these deep blue, far-left states either eliminating or already eliminated the religious exemption or are pushing to do so.
	New Jersey is pushing another bill.
	I just saw yesterday to do it again.
	Rhode Island has proposed it.
	Massachusetts has been pushing a bill for years to do it.
	Illinois, these states are already pushing for it hard to get the religious exemption.
	You'd just be returned to what we have right now.
	And then you have a bunch of free states where religious freedom is respected and honored that people can flee to.
	All it would do is return us to where we are now.
	So suppose the Supreme Court rules in the way that we would like them to rule to respect religious freedoms.
	Couldn't these states that oppose that idea, couldn't they create an onerous burden of proving your religious affiliation in order to try to impede those efforts?
	So for example, in California, if you're a man, you can claim to be a woman and the state instantly recognizes it because it's a choice in your mind.
	But if you claim to be a Christian, they might say, well, you have to prove it and you have to have all this proof.
	Are they doing that now or could they do that to a worse degree?
	So the state of New York, for instance, from what I understand, I wasn't in, you know, I never lived in the state of New York, but from people that I know there did require these essays of sorts to explain their religious beliefs.
	People talk about writing, yeah, these multiple page long essays explaining their religious beliefs, getting a clergy member to sign off.
	Wow.
	States have already done that before.
	And yes, your observation and your question is very astute because it's already been suggested online earlier today.
	I was reading through a post by people in New York.
	I'm looking at the reaction, the polls around the country to this news yesterday.
	I have to keep my finger on the pulse because of the work that I'm involved in.
	And they're already saying that, oh, no, you know, if the religious exemption or when it's restored, because they're confident it will be in New York, for instance, oh, please don't let them do this to us again and make us write essays, make us defend and, you know, give all this proof of the sincerity of our beliefs because you know that's where they're going next.
	Yes, they will revert back to that.
	And then we'll have to have new lawsuits challenging those requirements.
	But in the meantime, it's going to be great.
	Because in the meantime, all those kids that were kicked out are going to have to be let back in.
	If they start denying based on sincerity, I think those are going to be, the states are going to be defeated pretty easily because the Supreme Court in recent years has said absolutely that your religious beliefs are personal and they're personal to you.
	They don't have to be in line with any major world religion and that the state cannot express any kind of hostility.
	They've been saying that since the masterpiece cake shop decision with Jack Phillips in Colorado.
	Remember the baker who baked the gay wedding cake.
	They said Jack only won that case, not because they said, you know, their law necessarily violated religious liberty, but because of the way the commissioners at the Colorado Commission on Human Rights, because of the way they were talking to him, they looked at the transcript of the hearing, how they were belittling him and like making jokes, making fun of his religion practically.
	They said that's hostility.
	You can't have hostility towards religion.
	And certainly it would be hostile to pick apart and say, we don't really believe you.
	That's not a legitimate religious belief.
	I think that would lose very quickly.
	Because especially it's anti-Christ people judging the sincerity of your belief system.
	Right.
	I mean, the irony.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's not religious leaders.
	It's not the leaders of any of these churches necessarily.
	It's just people working for the state.
	Some bureaucrat who's probably an atheist or at least godless in any, you know, real sense of the word is telling you that you can't believe a certain way, that you're not allowed to.
	It is laughable.
	I hadn't even really thought of it from that aspect, Mike.
	Yeah, well, you know, this is really critical because these blue states will go to great lengths to try to deprive people of whatever rights the Supreme Court forces them to recognize.
	And, you know, as far as I'm concerned, a religious belief is simply self-affirmed because we are children of God and thus we have the right to affirm our connection to God individually by ourselves.
	I mean, there is no proof of your spiritual reality, you know, that could be offered to a state that would be sufficient to satisfy their desire since they don't believe in God at all.
	Right.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, there's no, I mean, religion is personal.
	All right.
	Going back to the time of the Vietnam War, even the Supreme Court was saying conscientious objectors, remember them, that they even had First Amendment protection, even though it wasn't religious belief, but it was their conscious belief.
	Like even that deserves the same protection as First Amendment religious freedom protection.
	So you cannot be telling these families that their beliefs aren't justified or that they're not really sincere.
	They don't have a religious exemption.
	I'm not, honestly, I'm not too worried about that.
	I know there will be pushback.
	I know the families living there are worried.
	It's easy for me to say now in Idaho because I'm in a free state.
	But regardless, I think we're going to win those battles pretty easily.
	We can get even something expedited on an emergency motion to the Supreme Court and have something on their desk within a matter of weeks, a few weeks after that happening, and hopefully get an order from the Supreme, even if it's a per curium order or whatever from the Supreme Court, a very short opinion just saying, no, you can't do that.
	I am confident in our chances to do that.
	See California saying, in order to have the exemption, you have to prove the existence of God.
	You know, but?
	But yet they still can't prove the existence of a woman.
	Right, they still don't know what a woman?
	Yeah exactly, exactly.
	So well, this is really just.
	This is fascinating, and it's also inspiring that we are at this point.
	Now we we may have this breakthrough, I mean, we've had a breakthrough decision that seems to be putting us on the right track.
	Um, we're about to wrap this up Brian, but what?
	What else does our audience need to know in terms of WE, THE Patriots USA, and what you're going to be doing to continue to support uh, health freedom uh, vaccine exemptions, religious expression, etc.
	What do people need to know?
	Wrapping this up well, as i've said, you know, I got into this work at the start because of a very personal reason, because of an injury, a devastating vaccine injury to my son.
	So i'm in it for the long haul, i'm in it to win it and um, we will not give up.
	We, THE Patriots USA, will not give up this fight until we have won a complete and sweeping victory for every single family in America.
	So, even if on the surface, it looks like oh, we haven't gotten our big win yet.
	Even if this, the Second Circuit, just rules for families in Connecticut and New York but the rest of the country, people in California think they're left out.
	You're not left out.
	That's why we have an active lawsuit in California.
	We're going to continue to fight for every state until every family has this.
	And listen, there's a lot of other battles that we're fighting beyond just the vaccine battles.
	Uh, we're fighting against indoctrination in schools.
	Uh, for free speech for teachers who don't want to participate in that kind of indoctrination.
	We're fighting um, you know, for second amendment rights, other parental rights.
	We're fighting in medical kidnapping cases.
	I just got a call yesterday, an email, very sad story in Illinois, uh, medical kidnapping case where they're, you know, looks like they're trying to take this girl away who's, you know, suffering from a very serious health issue but um, you know, threatening the mother that you know they want to investigate now and she's being neglectful because she wants to explore alternative medicine for her daughter for this health condition.
	I'm not going to get into it yet but um it's.
	That's what i'm dealing with.
	At the same time, we're we're taking on this fight and pursuing this.
	I'm getting calls like that and I was dealing with that last night at the same time.
	This is what we do at, WE, THE Patriots USA.
	We fight for every family and we do it for free 100 mike.
	People don't know this all the time and they they're surprised.
	I mean, they know we're a nonprofit but they still think for some reason that we would charge people.
	They say well, how do you make money?
	You're a lawyer, you don't charge any, any fees for your clients.
	Like, how do you make money?
	Well, the only way we make money is through donations.
	So if you support the work that that we do, please prayerfully consider a contribution.
	You still have time before december 31st to have it count toward your tax deduction on the 2025 taxes.
	Uh, we are a nonprofit organization, so we are registered as a 501c3 charitable organization with the IRS.
	You can go to Wethepatriotsusa.org and make a contribution.
	We have our year-end fundraiser.
	Um, we're doing pretty well with that.
	We're well on our way toward our goal.
	So we definitely need a few more donations to get there.
	But we would just appreciate anything, anything you could do.
	We appreciate your support, Mike, and continuing to feature our work and not just ours, but the work of everybody that's involved in health freedom activism.
	It's so, so, so important that we have the right to decide what we put in our bodies.
	That's really, if we don't, I call it the last frontier, it's actually the first level of defense, though, because if we don't have that, we don't have anything.
	That's like the most, that's the most basic.
	This shield right here, what goes in here, that's the like, that's the bottom line.
	That's the floor, not the ceiling of our rights.
	Got it.
	Well, yeah, I want to encourage our audience to consider a year-end donation to your organization.
	The website, again, is wethepatriotsusa.org.
	And I see you're also linking to our AI vaccine research engine.
	Here it is, vaccineforensics.com.
	Yeah, thank you for helping to promote our engine.
	It's free, like your work is also pro bono, but all of our tools are free.
	And we have other tools.
	Also, we've just announced books.brightlearn.ai.
	All our books are free to download and many of them are about vaccines.
	And 521 books so far and about 50 new books each day.
	That's another tool that people can use.
	Brian, I just want to say thank you.
	And, you know, look, the state says that parents don't exist and your immune system doesn't exist.
	And we own your children and we can do whatever we want with them.
	And that's morally wrong.
	It's legally wrong.
	And you are at the forefront fighting against that to say that parents' rights are immutable and children have the right to be free from medical violence.
	So thank you for what you're doing.
	Absolutely.
	Thank you, Mike.
	God bless.
	God bless.
	Merry Christmas.
	Yeah, Merry Christmas.
	Take care.
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