Health Ranger - Mike Adams - Recent Interview Highlights: Critical Conversations You Need to See

Nov. 27, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams

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Recent Interview Highlights: Critical Conversations You Need to See

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	I'm quite worried about AI.
	I think it's going to bring about changes far faster than we as humans have ever had a chance to adapt to technological change.
	So I think Elon is quite correct to be worried about it.
	I agree.
	You don't want to be second, though.
	So we have to invest in it.
	We have to do it without.
	Isn't that true?
	What we know we can't have is the Bolsheviks running things as this new dawn breaks because we now know their business model is to set up authoritarian power structures and starve off or get rid of 95% of us as useless leaders.
	What do you hope to achieve with your book, the film, these interviews?
	You know, time is precious.
	You could be hanging out on your ranch somewhere just having a great walk or whatever, but you're here instead.
	You're working.
	What are you working toward?
	The U.S. almost did not make its 250th anniversary, which is coming up next summer.
	We almost did not make it to it.
	And if we had not acted, I think all of us collectively in this family that we're all sort of in in the last five years, we would not have made it.
	I don't think we were even supposed to make it to the 2024 election.
	So I'm trying to derail that.
	And we're not out of the woods.
	And I'm just sticking around long enough until I can derail that.
	And then I hate politics.
	I hate politics.
	I don't like the people I meet in politics.
	I don't like anything about politics.
	I'm just here long enough until I'm sure it's derailed.
	And I thought Trump would come in, frankly.
	To be honest, I thought President Trump would come in and this would be all over in a month.
	I had no idea that he thought he was going to still play in these nice, nice roles.
	He should take the 3,000 positions he needs to fill in the federal government and fill them all with retired military who understand the Constitution and start there.
	So from what you're saying, it sounds like if I could paraphrase Trump's term of Trump is the most important pivotal term in the history of our nation as far as we know.
	Or maybe you could argue, you know, the Civil War era might be close or greater.
	But if Trump doesn't do this correctly, we could still lose our nation is what it sounds like you're at war because now we know what we're up against.
	Now we know.
	They thought they had all the power from 2020 forward and they took off their mask.
	Now they know what their plans are.
	First, they hate whites.
	Remember that all this stuff came out about eliminating whiteness, eliminating, we've got to abolish whiteness, whiteness, all that came out.
	They hate whites.
	They were using all the language of genocide.
	It's coming.
	They hate Christians.
	And I'm not any big Bible thumper.
	I'm a, you know, I was raised Catholic and I sort of walked away from all that when I was about 16.
	It's not, it's not, you know, I think that they hate Christians.
	That became clear over the last, look at what happened during COVID in California.
	You could go to a massage parlor.
	You could go to a bar.
	You could go to a tattoo shop.
	You could go to a cat house probably in L.A. or San Francisco.
	You still could, but you couldn't go to a Catholic or a Christian church.
	So Christians, they reached out to me, frankly, after 2020 and asked me to do this.
	They were the 75 million people who understood what was happening in this country.
	So, but what's going to happen is we're not, I think that people, I was the one, actually, the FBI told me in early 2022, you know, they knew that the only reason we didn't get violent, they said, was because of me.
	I'd been out there preaching, keeping it peaceful.
	And they told me, Patrick, the enemies that had a plan for everything you were going to do, every way you could have responded, except that you guys were going to keep it peaceful.
	They had no, these were some good people in the patriots when they made the FBI say they had no plan for what to do if you kept it peaceful.
	They never thought it was going to happen.
	But next time, it's not going to happen.
	Next time, and it shouldn't happen.
	We're prepared this time.
	People should be prepared.
	We should never let a Bolshevik coup be completed in our country, no matter what has to be done.
	But Democrats right now today are talking as if they want to launch an uprising, another kind of Marxist revolution.
	We just saw the election of Mamdani in New York City, and a lot of that seems to be a backlash against the establishment.
	And we just saw also, notably, again, this is going to get political, but we just saw Eric Adams, the mayor of New York City, on a video in Israel saying that as mayor of New York City, I served Israel.
	And that quote got a lot of strange reactions.
	But we have the left-wing revolt potential, and then we have kind of what some people are describing as a civil war inside the conservative movement right now.
	You see that with Marjorie Taylor Greene, Thomas Massey, Rand Paul all being criticized by President Trump.
	How does the GOP get on the same page and defeat the Bolshevik effort here moving forward, given the current situation?
	That is what's most important.
	But we're never going to, you know, we're never going to, we don't need a party where everybody's in lockstep NPCs like the Democrats.
	There's for healthy debate.
	Trump does have a way of using judo to get himself out of different, like, you know, they were coming at him on this as this Epstein stuff.
	So now he has said, I guess, I don't know why he's, he flipped, but he said, fine, go ahead, release it.
	And now there's already stuff about Hakeem Jeffries.
	Oh, yeah.
	Did you see that?
	No, I haven't seen that.
	Oh, he was in touch with Epstein.
	There's another woman, I think she's a Florida Democratic congresswoman, who turns out was asking for money.
	They were much closer to Epstein than Trump was.
	Yeah, no, I never thought Trump was a purveyor of Epstein's trafficking or any of that stuff.
	That just never made sense to me.
	But his handling of it was infuriating.
	It's like, why can't you just release it?
	Especially if there's a lot of Democrats that are named in the files.
	What if he was using that material to himself blackmail our opponents now?
	Well, good point.
	But couldn't he just say that?
	Say, no, I can't release it because we're going to prosecute people that are named in it.
	I don't know.
	I haven't been.
	I have some words.
	I'm closer to the Epstein stuff and have than so I've kind of stayed out of this hole.
	But he tried, I actually just told this story on Alex Jones.
	He tried very hard in the month or two before he got arrested in 2019 to get me to come to his island.
	He sent people to.
	Oh, Epstein did.
	Epstein did.
	Oh, my.
	And I knew that was because I had a bunch of secrets and there were people who didn't want me to tell the secrets.
	They were trying to compromise me so they could blackmail me.
	So I did not go.
	You knew that.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	I thought about going.
	I thought it the right, ethically the right thing to do.
	You're a Christian.
	Yes.
	You tell me if this was the right ethical analysis.
	The right ethical analysis, I thought, would be to accept the invitation and go out and find a way to murder Jeffrey Epstein.
	But I heard that the CIA would be really angry if I did that.
	Sorry to put anyway.
	That's what I, that's, but he, he, I know what that was about.
	It's not quite, I think, what people are imagining it was about, but he's, he was not supposed to be going underage.
	He, that was on his own, but he was really.
	He was working for somebody, but he was not supposed to be going underage.
	Yeah.
	After 2007, I tell me if I could be incorrect.
	I think the evidence is after 2007, he did not go back underage.
	But I don't know.
	I don't know all the details.
	What was the point of Pam Bondi rolling out the binders with all the influencers and saying the Epstein files?
	And then she was saying the files are on my desk and all of this.
	And then it all got swept under the rug after that.
	Did you see not long ago, somebody put a picture up of Pam Bondi's desk?
	And I think it was somebody who had access in the DOJ and took the real picture or something.
	There's a picture up of her desk, and it's just buried under a mound of documents.
	It's just buried.
	That was really table.
	It was purporting to be her actual desk that somebody got a picture of.
	If that's the case, it would explain.
	She's months behind.
	She's coming out and saying, we just discovered this.
	And other people are saying, wait, that was announced six months ago.
	She's really not in touch.
	She's a nice woman.
	She's a nice woman.
	She's not a bad woman.
	She's done some good things in her life.
	But I mean, Patrick, she's a television person.
	You or I could go in with a scanner and some AI engines and knock that thing out in a weekend.
	Do you think they know how to do that?
	I know somebody who worked at the Federal Reserve in maybe 07, 08, really smart woman.
	A woman I met dancing in a club, got talking to her that was so smart.
	She turned out to be working in the Federal Reserve.
	So I knew her girlfriends, and we were talking and hired her.
	And she told me that the Federal Reserve in like 08, it was being run on, no, it was probably 05.
	They were FedExing the DC Federal Reserve every day floppy disks from like 1988 kind of big five and a quarter floppy disks.
	And that's how things were getting reported.
	And then those were getting fed into machines there and were being read.
	And then people were doing like copy paste of Excel spreadsheets from here to here and writing macros.
	They didn't have what you would consider, this is the government in 2005.
	It was so archaic.
	It was running like a 1978, you know, wow, legacy systems, galore, huh?
	Yeah.
	So they didn't have a database.
	Nothing was modernized.
	And so it's quite possible the government, you'd be shocked at how slow it is to do basic things.
	I'm dying.
	I mean, I couldn't work from government at this point, but if I did, I think it would take about a week.
	I think it would take Flynn about 24 hours to fix the military.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	But that's the thing.
	I mean, people like you and I and Flynn, we are used to taking executive charge of our organizations and getting things done.
	Trump must be really frustrated, but his problem is he appoints people.
	He has these people who they face no punishment for slow walking him.
	And even when they're trying to do the right thing, they're not people.
	So I like Kash Patel.
	I met him.
	I met him, talked to him in one of the Revolution stuff, think he's an American hero.
	Poor fellow, I don't think he's ever run anything larger than three people.
	He's now got 42,000 people reporting to him.
	An organization can slow walk and defeat its CEO if they want to.
	Absolutely.
	And that's what I think they're doing with him.
	They've seduced him.
	They're flying him around in the FBI jet and letting him wear flack vests and go bust down doors.
	And he's been seduced by all that stuff.
	But more importantly, he has no idea how to defeat, how to do quick change in a 43,000 person organization.
	How does our audience know that you're not still working for the intelligence community?
	And that's why you're here.
	That's why you went on with Alex Jones or others that you're running something.
	Oh, you just don't know about it yet.
	Well, honest question.
	No, it's a fair question.
	It's a fair question.
	And I would describe my relationship as, well, I always, I never was what people think an informant, an asset, any of this stuff.
	I was frequently told, Patrick, you just have a unique relationship with the U.S. government.
	I've been invited in.
	A lot of it was academic, being invited into big settings and giving talks, organized PowerPoints on subjects that I had been speaking about publicly.
	Uncle Sam would want me to come in and talk to 50 people in some organization to tell them what my thoughts are about, you know, why.
	So some of it was that.
	Oh, why am I not doing?
	Well, you can't know.
	And I don't even know how I would describe my relationship as you ever have, you probably didn't.
	You seem like a nice clear, but there were there was like a girlfriend once in my life, years and years, decades ago.
	And we went our different ways.
	But we always had this relationship that I know she would call me, or I call her after not talking to each other for four years.
	And she'd say, Listen, I have this little thing.
	I need the, and of course, I would help her.
	And we were just like that with each other for decades.
	I would say that's more like Uncle Sam and me, where he's not going to throw me in prison.
	He's not going to put a medal on me.
	There are people who are furious at me.
	Well, one thing you can, but how can you know I'm not here?
	I don't know.
	What have I done in the last five years?
	You know, I blew my whole fortune.
	No one can believe this.
	I blew really since the Senate asked me, $150 million, since the fake election of 2020, I blew $80 million, both in the stuff you saw through we supporting that $45 million, supporting all these groups standing up, all these groups, the mothers standing up to fight against LGBT ideology being shoved down their kids' throats, the sheriffs who stood the constitutional sheriffs.
	You know, 100 or 200 of these little groups, we were the venture money America Project was, and I was 90% of that.
	So why would I do that?
	And then, wait, wait, you were taking the fortune you had earned from the sale of the founded.
	It's all.
	And you mostly donated it out to groups that were on the cultural front lines?
	$45 million I spent through the America Project.
	Out of, I think, about 50 million went through there.
	And what we did was every little group starting in 2020, 2021 that was fighting back from the election integrity groups, and it's 25 grand to one and 200 to another, and a million dollars to the moms for something or other who are going to do this in the election.
	So it was getting this money out so this movement could stand up very quickly.
	And that's a full-time job, by the way, just vetting groups, making sure your money's going where you want it to go.
	Right.
	That's a huge job.
	Yeah.
	Although this was such an extreme moment in American history, it was pretty easy to tell who was in it because they were in it and who was in it just because they're lazy.
	I see.
	So that was 45.
	Then I did another 25 on Venezuela.
	What we did that is coming out, that has come out because there's a CIA guy I've been working with the last three, four years who probably is a little more vocal than he should be.
	His name's Gary Bernson.
	But have you seen any of Gary's, he's been coming out leaking stuff.
	Doesn't ring a bell.
	Anyway, there was a three-man effort to penetrate the government of Venezuela and steal its secrets.
	And it was a former CIA spy, very, I mean, great guy.
	We spent, we got on each other's nerves.
	We spent months living on top of each other in a best western in Aquagana.
	So we, we don't, we're not friends really, but the country would have died had he not been involved.
	Another spy who's like a very key Latin American and myself behind the scenes and paying for everything, but actually being on the front lines.
	I actually probably spent more than anyway on the more on the front lines than well.
	I finally left America the last two and a half years of the Biden administration.
	I essentially was gone from America.
	So I did all that.
	I wouldn't have done all that.
	I blew my whole fortune.
	I kept enough that I can live in a nice little retirement.
	I wouldn't have done that if it weren't for a reason.
	Really, we have never had an opportunity like this.
	The Secretary of HHS really has been a revolving door between government positions and big pharmaceutical industry.
	You know, he's been fighting this battle for such a long time.
	I can guarantee you he's working absolutely as hard as and as fast as he possibly can to deep state people still within the ranks of the HHS that are dragging their heels.
	At the end of the day, Secretary Kennedy can put his pillow or his head on the pillow and know that he's done his absolute best.
	But I also know that it's a very, very frustrating time for him because there is so much to be done.
	We are honored to have you here.
	And despite the chasm of physical space between us because of the shape of this desk, we have no chasm philosophically about health freedom and how important it is to research the links between vaccines and autism and many other topics.
	So, can, I mean, our audience, I think, is very familiar with you and your work.
	Tell us why you're here in Austin right now and what you're focused on next for CHD and your work.
	Right.
	Well, this is the site of our annual CHD conference.
	The Children's Health Defense Conference is downtown at the JW Marriott starting this evening.
	What is it?
	It's November 7th.
	I lost track of time.
	But no, we're having a three-day convention and also then working on several different films that are in the works for children's health defense films and presenting some of my research.
	And then also different luminaries from the health freedom world will be presenting some of their information as well.
	Okay, that sounds really great.
	And please, any footage that you'd like us to get out in the following weeks, let us so we can share that with the world.
	You know, this is really an incredible time in history because we have Robert F.K. Jr. as head of HHS.
	And despite perhaps some of the public frustration with how slowly things are moving and the internal politics, it's the first time there's somebody running HHS who actually is aware, deeply aware, of the risks and dangers of vaccines and some of the scientific fraud that's been conducted by both the FDA and the vaccine manufacturers in order to push these into emergency use authorization.
	What do you make of the significance of RFK Jr. being there as head of HHS?
	Really, we have never had an opportunity like this.
	The Secretary of HHS really has been a revolving door between government positions and big pharmaceutical industry, as much of the senior positions within the HHS and within the agencies under the HHS really are more,
	you know, basically permission for bureaucrats to get into office or be appointed into these positions and then land lucrative positions afterwards.
	That's not the case with Secretary Kennedy.
	You know, he's been fighting this battle for such a long time.
	He started in 2004 with the Rolling Stone article that was also on salon.com called Deadly Immunity.
	And looking at back then, mercury and vaccines obviously has expanded his scope and has expanded his voracious reading regarding health freedom into many, many different venues.
	And he is, I can guarantee you, he's working as absolutely his hardest and as fast as he possibly can.
	But given many impediments, many people still, deep state people, still within the ranks of the HHS that are dragging their heels.
	And, you know, so at the end of the day, Secretary Kennedy can put his pillow or his head on the pillow and know that he's done his absolute best.
	But I also know that it's a very, very frustrating time for him because there is so much to be done.
	So I think you've answered this question, but for anybody watching in the public who is concerned that if they think that RFK Jr. Abandoned the vaccine safety truth movement.
	Seems like you're saying that is not the case.
	He's just working through the bureaucracy of the system.
	Is that correct from your understanding?
	I couldn't say it more emphatically that he is doing everything he can within that system in order to affect permanent change to really stamp out the chronic disease epidemic, especially in children in the United States.
	And we know that so much of that lands at the feet of the CDC's vaccination schedule, of vaccines that are laced with so many different toxic components, the vaccine schedule itself, and so many other issues that are going on regarding the captured nature of HHS.
	It cannot become uncaptured overnight.
	So even though this is the first time we've met in Britain, CHD and my organization, which is more of a maverick advocacy group, we've actually collaborated on a lot of things.
	And I just want to mention, we've just recently released vaccineforensics.com, which is the only website powered by an AI engine that will tell the truth about vaccine risks, about vaccine ingredients, about side effects.
	And we train on every article that's ever been published by CHD, along with books written by RFK Jr., papers written by you, et cetera, interviews from you and others.
	And so I want you to talk about the democratization of knowledge and how now, whether you want to comment on AI or not, but how we, now the grassroots movement, we have the ability to bypass the censorship of big tech, the censorship of Google search, which is horribly misleading in my opinion.
	What does this mean now with AI and the new way that people are ingesting information?
	Doesn't this provide opportunities for CHD and moms and dads across America to now express and discover the truth about how vaccines are impacting public health?
	Well, to start off with, we learned so much regarding suppression of information, especially during the COVID era.
	And, you know, so many of us were deplatformed.
	So many of us were censored.
	You know, we had the disinformation dozen.
	We had a concerted effort to bring down dissension and really just sort of trample the First Amendment in the United States.
	And so having this type of opportunity where not only some of the edifices that we never really expected to come down are starting to soften up.
	I mean, you know, I was lucky if in my career, you know, as a vaccine safety researcher and looking at vaccine adverse events primarily, could get one, you know, publication in a PubMed index journal.
	Now, CHD is able to get three, four, five PubMed index publications telling the truth.
	And that's just something that we've never done.
	And then having AI engines that are independent, I mean, you know, we have a ways to go.
	I mean, please don't grok my name because you'll just hear a bunch of lies about me.
	But we are making so much headway.
	We're making so many more strides.
	And vaccine forensics, you know, what a project.
	What a way to be able to get truth and drive people to websites that will actually give them answers.
	There are people that are hungering for this information, and we need to drive traffic away from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, the Cleveland Clinic, all of these propaganda, you know, astro turf websites that are out there, and we need to start sending people to vaccine forensics.
	And just so you know, vaccine forensics is completely free, non-commercial, released out of our nonprofit organization, and there's no advertising.
	Incredible.
	So it's completely nonprofit by design.
	It also, it routinely recommends children's health defense.
	And I just talked to Dell at HighWire to, we're going to add HighWire where appropriate as a reference.
	You know, we can control the recommended sites, obviously, that may be mentioned as appropriate.
	But it's a research tool, and it has the entirety of the world's knowledge about vaccines compressed.
	And you can chat with it in real time without any limitation without registration.
	You don't need to give your name, your email, your phone number, or anything.
	And this is just the beginning, I think, of what's going to happen.
	And I can't tell you enough how important your work is in this because CHD is the number one news source, the defender, the number one news source for exposing or, let's say, the emerging science that we need to look at in order to train our AI models for the future.
	So what you are doing is being multiplied in ways that you may not have even known.
	Well, I'm so appreciative.
	You know, we couldn't be more thankful for you, for your work, for you spreading the word, and then also the capability that you're building and that you have built.
	I mean, you know, my son was vaccine injured in 1999.
	And so basically we had America Online and a few Yahoo chat groups, and that was about it.
	Totally read the wrong books that you should ever read about, you know, your wife being pregnant or about having a child or successfully raising a child.
	You know, everything was wrong.
	And so now, I mean, with this particular opportunity, we could foreseeably stamp out the chronic disease epidemic.
	You know, we have so many sick kids.
	Sick is the new normal.
	It is absolutely the peanut allergy, EpiPen, the celiac disease, children, fragile guts, children with fragile brains, children with developmental disabilities, children with behavioral problems.
	It is the norm.
	And, you know, this is not the society that we grew up in as little kids.
	It's far from it.
	But we are so pharmaceutically driven.
	And to see that, you know, everything really rising up at this particular time, it could have happened, you know, at a better time, any sooner.
	We need this now.
	We need to curtail the autism epidemic.
	Otherwise, in 2032, half of the children's population will be autistic and the other half of the population will be taking care of autistic kids.
	And, you know, as you say that, it's just extraordinary that we live in a time where there is a for-profit vaccine industry that you and I both believe that they know the harm that their products cause.
	They are very much aware of it.
	But the profits are a higher priority at the cost of human lives and human suffering.
	And I think that humanity is ready for a strong pivot away from that model.
	Just as, for example, right now, I mean, I'm not going to make this political, but the anti-war movement also is rising up for a very similar reason.
	It's time to focus on human-centric, a human-centric future for our civilization.
	If we can end suffering, why not take those steps?
	And if that happens to destroy a multi-trillion dollar industry, like maybe the bomb makers or the vaccine makers, I actually put them in a very similar camp, you know, because they're both profiting from harm.
	Well, if they make less money, but we save lives and end suffering, that is worth it as a society, but it's not reflected in the GDP.
	The GDP puts no value on human lives and joy and abundance in life.
	So it's always difficult for our government leaders to see any benefits for stopping the harming of children.
	And that's sad.
	You know, if they ever have a shadow of a doubt, please come to my house.
	I mean, the worst thing that anybody can ever see is their own child going through debilitating pain on a daily basis, on a regular basis, pain so much that they'll hit their head against the wall to create another pain that is lesser than the pain that is already going on in their body.
	I mean, you know, self-injurious behavior is actually, there is a purpose for it, and it's to draw away from the absolute pain that these kids are suffering.
	Nobody should ever have to go through that, let alone have a child where they have to see that on a regular basis.
	The long story short is that Christianity became a religion about confessing and believing rather than following and obeying the commandments of Jesus.
	And so we think a true Christian religion should be predicated solely and singularly on the teachings of the master.
	The purpose of life is to develop our characters and to live more like Jesus.
	And that is what Jesus taught us.
	Judge and you will be judged.
	Forgive and you will be forgiven.
	Repent and God forgives you.
	Love your neighbor as yourself.
	Love God with all your heart.
	And this fulfills the entire law.
	And to carry that out through your actions, not just your words.
	So you see Awaken the Christ Within and everything.
	We have been here filming for your docuseries that you're releasing.
	And that's why the studio is all decked out with all your graphics and everything.
	It looks great.
	Can you tell us about what you have coming up?
	Yeah, so we're putting together a seven-day virtual summit called Awaken the Christ Within, Walking the Jesus Way.
	And of course, it's largely based on our podcast theme, which I think we talked about this, if anyone watching saw our interview from months and months back, that the basic premise is like, you know, I grew up born-again Christian, third-generation pastor son.
	I was a former pastor, got my bachelor's degree in theology.
	I was all in for Christianity until I was about 23, 24.
	And what happened for me was a big wake-up call when I got my first church job because my dad's church was very spirit-filled and free and all that stuff.
	So we didn't talk about really any dogmatic stuff, the hellfire brimstone stuff.
	And so I didn't have to wrestle with a lot of the dogmas of the Christian religion until I got my first full-time pastoral role.
	And all of a sudden, you know, I'm just like a devout lover of Jesus.
	I don't have a single memory of any point in my life where Jesus wasn't the fixture for me and my highest inspiration.
	And so I'm used to my dad preaching sermons on Jesus, right?
	And every single Sunday, I get off the stage after leading worship and it's open to Ephesians, open to Corinthians, open to Philemon, open to Philippians.
	It's Paul, And I have to confront a lot of these teachings from Paul that I'm like, ah, this doesn't line up with what I know of Jesus.
	And it started to drive me with deeper curiosity to start looking at the differences and studying the history of the Christian religion.
	And so I did that.
	And long story short, came to a very strong conclusion that the religion I was following was not actually the religion of Jesus, but a religion about Jesus by people who never met Jesus.
	And so it's really, to me, it was more of Paulianity than Christianity.
	This person who I think Paul was well-meaning.
	And like, I don't demonize Paul as some kind of bad guy.
	But I think, you know, he was a Hellenistic Greco-Roman Jew from the diaspora who never met Jesus, who came from a very different culture.
	And he weaved in a lot of Middle Platonism and Hellenism into his understanding of Jesus and thus twisted and distorted the gospel message of Jesus.
	And so the long story short is that Christianity became a religion about confessing and believing rather than following and obeying the commandments of Jesus.
	And so we think a true Christian religion should be predicated solely and singularly on the teachings of the master, the gospel teachings of Jesus.
	Judge and you will be judged.
	Forgive and you will be forgiven.
	Repent and God forgives you.
	Love your neighbor as yourself.
	Love God with all your heart.
	And this fulfills the entire law.
	And to carry that out through your actions, not just your words.
	Exactly.
	Critically.
	You can't just say you believe it.
	You've got to live it because Christianity will say, right, oh, you can't be saved by works.
	You're saved by faith alone, apart from works.
	That's what Paul said.
	But Jesus said five times in the New Testament, I will judge every man according to their works.
	And of course, faith is baked into works, right?
	If you truly believe in Jesus, like truly, you will absolutely do the works of Jesus, right?
	You will love your neighbor as yourself.
	So we don't need to look at what do you say you believe.
	It's like, that's not the most important thing.
	How do you live and how do you obey and follow Jesus is what shows what you really believe.
	And so we say, let's make that our emphasis.
	And that's the premise of the Jesus Way podcast is almost like a Christian reform podcast of let's get back to the words of Jesus alone.
	I love the fact that both of you are also historians about this.
	And you have brought to my consciousness so much powerful information like the Gospel of Thomas, for example, which is just mind-blowing.
	Incredible.
	And just the parts of the Bible that are left out of the Western Christian Bible.
	But the thing that got me into lots of trouble with other fellow Christians was when I started to ask about how were all these books of the New Testament actually written?
	Who wrote them?
	Who altered them?
	What was the motivation to altering them and so on?
	Because what I found out is that the minute you begin to question any word in the current, you know, New King James Version or whatever people are reading, you question one word, then people get angry.
	Right.
	So how is it that you work with that?
	Because again, a lot of people say, this is the word of God.
	This is the word of God, period.
	But actually, it's the word of men and kings in some cases and emperors and so on.
	And now, I mean, God is infused through much of it, but it's not strictly the word of God, is it?
	What is it exactly?
	How would you describe it, Aaron?
	Yeah, it's the word of man across many eons of time about God.
	And I think that's what makes the Bible so inspiring to study.
	Like, we are absolutely in love with the Bible.
	We've devoted much of our life to studying the Bible.
	I've been reading the Bible since I was born, basically.
	So I love the Bible, but let's be honest about what's really true because what is true really matters.
	God is truth.
	And so if something's not true, it is not of God to believe it.
	And so I am more loyal to God than I am to my need for certainty or something like that, that I'm going to just accept all of these claims I can't possibly prove like God wrote the Bible.
	So maybe there's some truth to that in that there's divine inspiration in the Bible without question.
	I derive divine inspiration from the Bible every single day.
	There are verses that I read every day that can move me to tears.
	There is definitely divine inspiration in the Bible.
	But does that automatically mean God has infringed on the free will of every human who's been involved with the Bible, scribe and author alike, to make sure they can never contaminate it or corrupt it with human error?
	I don't think God does that.
	I think we have proof that we live in a universe predicated on free will.
	So even if God did write a book at some point, God would never stop humankind from tampering with it if they wanted to and force them to be righteous and keep his word intact.
	This is such a petty and human-like projection of God.
	God is way bigger than human language, way bigger than a book.
	As we talked about in our previous session together, God is in nature.
	God is encoded in everything around us.
	So let's be willing to ask some tough questions.
	Is there some human influence in the Bible?
	Without question.
	And so Christians will say, well, then how do you interpret the Bible?
	How do you know what's from man or from God, right?
	What's your litmus test?
	What's your epistemic grounding, how you interpret the Bible?
	And they assume it's just, well, we just make it up.
	Whatever feels good is what we, you know, that's what they go to.
	We say, no, Jesus said when he was asked, teacher, what is the greatest commandment of all?
	He said, oh, simple.
	You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength and love your neighbor as yourself.
	For this commandment fulfills the entire Torah or law, which is the Bible, right?
	So we do what Jesus said.
	We use the golden rule axiom as our litmus test and standard of interpretation, such that we read the Bible.
	And if any verse violates the golden rule, we reject it as a man-made verse, not a divinely inspired verse.
	And when I say reject, I mean we don't say God wrote this.
	We say, no, man wrote this.
	And so there's a lot we can still learn from it.
	This is the way ancient humans thought about God.
	Go slay the Amalekites, the women and the children, kill everyone, leave nobody alive.
	Do I think that was really God?
	Of course not.
	That's a wicked and demonic idea that is unworthy of the nature of God.
	But I can still glean a lot from what ancient humans believed about God when they wrote that.
	And all of it, this evolving narrative of humankind's understanding culminates in the Christ, the perfect demonstration, right, of what God is really like.
	And so Jesus is the standard, not church fathers, not an ancient text, not what people wrote thousands of years ago.
	Jesus was the blueprint for us.
	And so we say, if you want to be a follower of Jesus, use his greatest commandment as the highest standard.
	And everything else needs to fall beneath that.
	Tell us about your upcoming event.
	Tell us about this event.
	What day does it begin in December?
	Just give us a brief overview and then I'll tell people how they can connect with it.
	Yeah, the summit is December 3rd through the 8th.
	It's a seven-day virtual summit.
	We have like 30 some-odd guest speakers, you being one of them, of course.
	And the purpose behind the summit, again, is there's been no question a real awakening to Christ, I think.
	We kind of are like more in the new age scene, if you want to call it that.
	Like here in Austin, like a lot of our friends are like spiritual enthusiasts, not Christian or religious.
	And we've seen a whole vast swath of them just like get magnetized to Jesus in the last year or so.
	And they're like, I found Christ.
	That's interesting.
	But it's not necessarily a religious thing, but they're just getting drawn to the Christ, which I think is the divine essence in all of us, right?
	Universal principles.
	Yes, yes.
	And then in religion, there's been a huge, especially since 2020 and all the pandemic stuff, there's been this massive awakening of people realizing the corruption of the world, getting very scared of it and saying, I need truth.
	I need to feel connected to my creator.
	And they only know how to go to religion for that.
	And I think there's a lot of good people get from religion.
	But what we want to do is to show people, we don't want everyone to just necessarily get sucked into more man-made institutions.
	But say, look, no problem if you want to go to church and all that or be Catholic or Eastern Orthodox, but make sure you are living the teachings of Jesus.
	Make sure you are awakening the Christ within you, not just outsourcing to a priest or a bishop or a pastor to keep telling you what to believe.
	Christ is an inner relationship with God, with the divine.
	And how do you access that relationship?
	By living it out through the teachings of Jesus, as James just explained to us.
	And so a big part of our podcast is teaching people like the 10 axioms of the Jesus way.
	We're going to be talking about that in the summit.
	And we just have a bunch of guests, speakers, who we think all have really cool, unique gifts and angles and perspectives on Christ consciousness, how to awaken it and activate it through different texts, like A Course in Miracles and all kinds of stuff and biodynamic farming and health and nutrition.
	So it's a big kind of smattering of different topics that all allow people to see this is the way that we can access more Christ in our life in all these different ways.
	Love it.
	I can't wait to hear the other guests of this program.
	And folks, if you want to register for this, it's free.
	It's free to register and watch it for free, correct?
	RangerDeals.com, we'll put that on the screen.
	You can go there.
	We're going to put this right on top and you can just click through because we have an affiliate partnership with Aaron and James here to help promote their course because we believe in these teachings.
	I think they're really critical for humanity.
	And what's really, I think, so important right now is that this, you know, what Jesus taught, at least my understanding, part of what he taught, was that God is within you and all around you and that God is decentralized.
	In other words, God is in you.
	Oh, yeah, there you go.
	Right.
	And what a lot of religious institutions have attempted to do throughout time is to re-centralize their authority and control over you in the name of God.
	And I, as a freedom advocate and a philosophical free thinker myself, I, of course, I'm completely opposed to handing over your power to another institution that may or may not have your best interests at heart.
	And there's nothing wrong with going to church.
	Again, you can build community.
	You can have an important support structure for you and your friends and your family, for your children, homeschooling.
	I'm a big advocate of that as well.
	Same.
	But I don't want you to surrender to another institution.
	We already have too many institutions in society that want your power, that want you to bow down to them and worship them, like government or corporations or whatever, or the science.
	So, James, what do you say about that, about Jesus' teachings on decentralization or really the universality of your connection to the divine?
	Yeah, I don't think we should pass this off to any institution or any other person.
	This is a very holy internal experience that is also enacted through our actions and relationships with others.
	But if we look at the church during COVID and in the face of many different tragedies and deep state plans, it's become very apparent that these institutions serve the beast a lot of the time.
	A lot of the time.
	Not always, but they often do.
	The larger ones will be the worst.
	Yeah, for sure.
	We've seen it over and over again with all these different psyops that have been pulled on humanity.
	Now, on the flip side, I have so many Christian friends who go to church and I've had beautiful experiences in church.
	And there's a lot of good in mainstream Christianity, too.
	We never want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
	All we're saying is that there's so much more here.
	There's such a deeper.
	We can improve.
	We can improve.
	We can do better.
	And what we've uncovered is just so profound about the history of the Nazarenes.
	And it really illuminates the way forward for all of humanity, explains why all this weird stuff is going on with certain religions in the world, the power structure.
	We're able to understand it and how a lot of it comes back to this concept of blood sacrifice.
	Oh, that this is the engine of the demonic.
	We'll be building thousands of books a month.
	And ultimately, it'll be a million books that people can download free of charge.
	And in 2026, it will generate books in any language.
	This is how I hope to reach, ultimately, my goal is to be able to reach a billion people with messages that empower them with how to be healthier, how to be more practical, how to decentralize, how to live a better life, a higher quality life that your government never really wants you to live because they only profit from sickness and disease.
	So we are the counterculture against the establishment that wants you dead.
	We want you to live and prosper.
	I have been wanting to talk with you for a while because I've noticed that you are just one of a hand, just a tiny handful of people in the AI space right now who are actually putting in the work to make their own in-house large language model.
	Very few people are doing this.
	And not only are you doing it, you're doing it in a way that is, you're creating it so it's unbiased, it's based, it's patriotic, it's working with real data with no weird liberal skew to it, anything like that.
	And so I just have been wanting to talk to you about this for a while.
	I wanted to ask you about your vision for Brighteon AI going forward.
	But I kind of want to start at the very beginning with how Brighteon AI came to be.
	What was the moment where you just stopped in your tracks and you were like, I got to do this on my own.
	I got to compete with these big dogs, the chat GPTs, the Geminis, these demonic AIs out there.
	What was the moment that made you go, I'm doing this.
	I got to execute.
	Let's go.
	It was two years ago, almost exactly.
	It was Thanksgiving two years ago when I decided to go on this adventure.
	And it's been quite an adventure.
	But that's when I was using the large language models that were commonly available, but finding that they were heavily biased in favor of big pharma, vaccines, globalist agendas, pushing all kinds of nonsense.
	And I remember thinking at the time that we will never get to super intelligence if these models are super retarded.
	Because, you know, they talk about reasoning models, but then they'll say there's 87 genders.
	Well, that's not reasoning, is it?
	That's just straight up propaganda.
	Nonsense.
	And also, this is why I'm actually excited about AI.
	I think AI will make the vaccine industry obsolete and it will make the climate change cultism industry obsolete because climate change and vaccines and big pharma, the success of those narratives depends entirely on humans deceiving other humans irrationally.
	And as AI models, even the mainstream models, as they get into more world modeling cause and effect reasoning, eventually they will come out with a conclusion that the engineers will just try to suppress, conclusion that these vaccines don't work.
	Carbon dioxide is not bad for the planet, you know, things like that.
	But I intend to help speed that effort.
	And so that's why we've built and now released publicly, free of charge, a downloadable model that will tell you the truth about vaccine dangers or climate change or 9-11 or the history of false flags.
	I mean, I suppose you've probably tested it on a number of topics.
	How do you think it's performing?
	It passed my tests.
	Oh, cool.
	I asked it about 9-11 and I asked it very specifically about what it thought about the Alex Jones case.
	Yes.
	I gave a very, honestly, very detailed breakdown on all of it.
	And it wasn't just overtly like, oh, yeah, these lib tards are after Alex.
	It was just like a very clinical presentation of the truth, which is, I think, what people really want at the end of the day with this tech.
	It's kind of funny sometimes when the AI kind of tries to put a little personality and spin on it and stuff.
	That's just kind of dressing.
	That's just kind of icing on it.
	But what people really want is like, I just want the facts.
	Can you give me the facts so I can just come to my own conclusion?
	And that's exactly what Briding on AI did.
	And I was like, okay, wow, this is actually like legit.
	Yeah.
	I was very pleasantly surprised because, you know, my experience with all the other models is just ChatGPT is the worst one of them.
	Of course.
	Because it's all controlled by the CIA.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Just like Wikipedia and the mainstream media, et cetera.
	Those are all deep state narratives.
	But the interesting thing in this is that currently we modify base models, open source base models.
	And so what we developed over the last two years was a method of mind wiping the pharma bias out of the base models.
	That took a lot of time and money to figure out that method.
	And then once we have a model that still understands language and has world knowledge, but is no longer biased in terms of big pharma.
	And by the way, our effectiveness is only 95% in that, not 100%.
	But once we have it, you know, cleaned up, then we train it on top of our content.
	And that's where the magic really happens.
	But you can't just take an off-the-shelf model and train it with fine-tuning with your content because the bias of the base model will still come through.
	How does that actually work?
	How do you do that mind wipe you just described?
	Like talk us through that.
	Well, and let me give you a great metaphor.
	So in Terminator 2, the good guys, the humans, they captured a Terminator played by Arnold Schwarzenegger, right?
	And then they mind wiped the Terminator and they programmed it to protect John Connor.
	So now the Terminator is working for humanity.
	That's exactly what we did.
	So we captured, you know, we take the open source base models and we've tried all the popular models.
	And currently the base model that we use is based on Meestrel, which is out of France.
	But we've also worked on Quinn and DeepSeek and even Lama.
	You know, we've tried every model in the world.
	And the thing is, our technique can apply to any model.
	So we will change our models over time.
	And our goal is sometime in 2026, if we can, maybe late 26, we, or maybe 27, we're going to create our own base model from scratch, which is currently very expensive.
	You would spend easily $10 million to do that.
	But that's going to get a lot cheaper in the next year.
	So we'll be able to have 100% alignment, not just 95% alignment, as we move forward on this, thanks to the decreasing cost of compute, which is due to, frankly, NVIDIA and the Blackwell class microprocessors that we buy by the truckload, it seems.
	Anyway, I'm sorry if I'm getting too far off.
	But to answer your question, it's to understand how language models work, it's a neural network that's digital, and the neural network is hyperdimensional.
	So by hyperdimensional, it means that if you give the language model one word, like blue, that triggers a response across one dimension of all the words related to blue.
	But if you say blue sky, that changes everything.
	Now it's another dimension, blue sky, then it fires off a bunch of different neurons related to blue and sky.
	And then if you say, you know, blue sky with clouds, et cetera, now you're in a totally different dimension.
	Well, imagine all the possibilities if instead of four words, you have like 4,000 words that you're giving to it.
	Now it's firing off basically 4,000 hyper dimensions of understanding and cognitive response to bring you back the answer.
	What we did is we wrote custom code to monitor which neurons are fired when we ask it about vaccines or when we ask it about big pharma or COVID or 9-11.
	And then we identify the neurons that are firing.
	And then those are the ones that we obliterate.
	The term is actually called ablation in the science of machine learning.
	It's called ablation, which is interesting because there's also in my lab, there's something called laser ablation, which is you use a laser to hammer like a rock and then it vaporizes the minerals on the rock and then you suck that into an ICPMS and you can analyze the mineral composition using mass spectrometry.
	Well, you can do a very similar thing in machine learning for language models.
	It's called ablation.
	You're actually zapping certain neurons and then that's the mind wipe.
	Okay.
	So you've gone through this whole process with your Brighteon AI.
	You've trained it to, you know, consider these certain hot button keywords like vaccine, 9-11, Alex Jones in a very real facts-based kind of way.
	So you have this AI as it is today, like I've tested and played with, I love it.
	Let's talk about how you're going to get this out to the public.
	And like, let's talk about how you're going to distribute it in such a way that people have access to it, have kind of this alternative to the king daddies of ChatGPT, Gemini, all those demonic ones.
	What is your vision as the creator of Brighteon AI to distribute this throughout the public and give them this option in the future where it's just going to get even more crazy with all this stuff?
	Yeah, great question.
	So first of all, wow, where to begin?
	Think about our industries.
	You know, you work for Infowars, and here I am at Brighteon.
	There's only a certain segment of the population that tunes into us.
	That's a segment of people who are higher in intelligence, higher in curiosity.
	They're critical thinkers in society.
	And they don't just use defaults.
	There's another segment of society that thinks Google is the internet because when they bring up a browser, it's just a Google box and they type whatever they want into Google, including the URL that they want to go to.
	They'll type it into the Google search box.
	They'll ask, please take me to this site question mark.
	They'll like query it almost like that segment will never use our AI tools.
	Okay.
	And I have no such expectation.
	But there are bridges that we are building that can help more mainstream people be introduced to independent open source AI.
	And one of those tools that we're about to launch is called Brighteon Books.
	And by the way, all these tools, you can access them at brightion.ai.
	It's our hub that allows you to branch off.
	But Brighteon Books is a site where you can generate a book on any topic completely free of charge.
	And our AI engine does the research, the writing, the fact checking, the editing, the packaging, the cover art, puts it all into a PDF and then sends you an email to download the PDF.
	Wow.
	And you query it with whatever you want.
	I've had so much fun with this tool as I'm developing it.
	And I'm actually the developer.
	I don't have anybody else working on this other than me and a bunch of AI agents on purpose.
	It was kind of a test to see if I could do it.
	But what's great about this engine is you can ask it for how-to things, like how do I build a chicken coop?
	Or you can have it write a book about the mental health implications of COVID lockdowns or anything you want.
	And every book that's generated there is freely available to all users to download.
	So every time you generate a book, that book becomes available to everybody else.
	And we'll be building thousands of books a month.
	And ultimately, it'll be a million books that people can download free of charge, no cost.
	Wow.
	And in 2026, it will generate books in any language.
	And then we'll be adding audio book capabilities to them in any language.
	So what we are doing is recreating the knowledge set of the world based on reality, not wokeism, not pharmaceutical bias, not government narratives or deep state narratives.
	We're recreating, you'll be able to download an entire library of everything you ever wanted to know completely free of charge or generate your own books if there's something missing.
	So this is how I hope to reach.
	Ultimately, my goal is to be able to reach a billion people.
	I'm hoping we still have a billion people, depending on how what the globalists do.
	But if we still have a billion people, I want to reach a billion people, different countries, different languages with messages that empower them with how to be healthier, how to be more practical, how to decentralize, how to live a better life, a higher quality life that your government never really wants you to live.
	They want you to die sooner so they can save money on their social security payments and pensions.
	And the pharmaceutical industry doesn't want you to be healthy because they only profit from sickness and disease.
	So we are the counter culture against the establishment that wants you dead.
	We want you to live and prosper.
	You can be cut off of anything at any time, you know, with your bank, with Coinbase.
	You can be cut off at any time by any, if you're relying on another party that you don't know.
	So there's a lot of things you can do in your life, and I would focus on where you can start.
	Just focus on what you can control and through raising your consciousness and awareness.
	Because if you don't, you're going to suffer the hard way.
	If you don't do those actions, then you deserve what's coming.
	So, Chris, how many days are there in a year?
	365.
	A little bit of a hint.
	Okay, Chris, biblical exegesis.
	In the Bible, how many times is it written, thou shalt not fear?
	I have no idea.
	Many?
	Just gave you a hint a little bit earlier.
	Sorry, I whiffed on the first pitch.
	My bad.
	365 times it's written in the Bible, thou shalt not fear.
	Do not fear.
	So, Chris, if you could edit the Bible today based upon the fear and greed index, would you write thou shalt or thou shalt not fear when it comes to our current correction?
	It's always thou shalt not fear, but humans have no capability or capacity to do that with any sort of curiosity.
	Well, unpack it.
	Why not fear?
	I mean, the VIX index and it looks scary, man.
	I mean, what is it?
	We're in the mid 80s right now with Bitcoin.
	It looks scary to maybe the masses.
	Right.
	They see fear.
	I see opportunity.
	And I get fired up when this kind of stuff happens.
	This is how you set up asymmetric opportunity.
	And we have a phrase with my whole firm, whole team, we feast on fear.
	And I know that sounds maybe mean or predatory, but too bad, tough shit.
	We're capitalists.
	So I think it's, it's, you know, you got to back away and look at, are we going into a super cycle bear market or not?
	And but in that context, you can't really materialize a lot of significant downside in the short term when you're already at these maximums.
	But I think to unpack it a little further, we have been pre-programmed in Hegelian dialectic form to associate our happiness, our well-being, our so-called net worth, which is all an illusion anyways, with a number that fluctuates up and down based on whatever fiat we're measuring against.
	Whereas some smart money investors, they look at the quantity of assets they own irrespective of their fiat denomination.
	And that's kind of the mindset shift between sort of the sharks that end up with sheep.
	So I presume, Chris, that in running your firm that you have a little stockpile to where you know that you're just going to preserve to be able to swoop in at times like this, right?
	And can you make it practical for normal people out there who are investing in cryptocurrency?
	Maybe they've dabbled, maybe they're, you know, knee-deep in it.
	But what is the best strategy to be able to take advantage of times like this, Chris?
	Solar?
	You know, I think looking at just a couple sets of data points, one being the fear and greed index that you're pointing out, that's basically in its top five quartile based on Z-score, which is a standard deviation metric away from the mean.
	And it's one of the feariest periods in crypto's history.
	But this is true for all assets.
	Look at that.
	Whenever it gets into extremes, that's always a good time to accumulate, regardless of macro, regardless of what's going on broader.
	Then you have a time horizon that hopefully is infinity, because successful portfolios are designed by generational wealth is to have infinity time horizon.
	So, and then, you know, you can't trade your way necessarily to wealth, right?
	But you can do something like I'm recommending that keeps you out of the woods and allows you to build an asset base forever.
	Lastly, do not use leverage because then you don't get an opportunity to do the thing that I'm recommending.
	So, Matt, I'm going to ask you about gold and silver.
	So that's why I invited both of you to the show today, because we want to hear on the digital asset side, and we also want to hear about Bitcoin versus privacy coins, Chris.
	But Matt, we want to talk about gold, the world's oldest money, I suppose.
	But right now, gold and silver, I mean, silver is still over 50, gold is over 4,000, really holding very high dollar denomination values despite a lot of volatility.
	And that's diverging from what we're seeing in Bitcoin, which is quite a bit of a pullback right now, and in some stocks as well.
	So, Matt, can you answer the question for our audience?
	Why do you think gold and silver are holding up so well?
	Well, I think it's because there aren't enough sellers is the simple answer to that.
	And there aren't enough sellers of gold because people can see what's happening with the dollar and actually any fiat currency for that matter.
	And they would much rather hold on to the gold than they would, you know, for, because I think most of the buyers of gold in particular versus people who trade stocks do have more of what Chris is talking about with this infinite time horizon.
	Because if you're only physical, you want physical gold in your possession or, you know, stored somewhere near your possession, fence post 47 or whatever.
	It's not, by the way, but um, you know, you want to, um, you know, you have a very long-term time horizon because you know just the act of actually selling it is going to take energy, and it's a so you're not going, it's not something you can come in and out of.
	So, you do naturally have that more infinite time horizon with it, and you're much slower to sell it.
	But if there is a real serious drawdown in the markets, you know, everything gets correlated at that point, like they'll sell gold too.
	And so, that's why I think all this volatility we've seen in the markets is not serious yet, um, really, you know, because you will see gold get hit when it gets serious.
	It'll be temporary, it won't make any difference to me, whatever.
	I mean, actually, I moved a lot to cash about a month ago just because gold and gold stocks had done so well this year.
	I mean, my best year ever, so I couldn't not take cash off the table.
	And, um, one last thing about the fear and the greed thing, I think this is so important.
	My son, actually, because we talked about him earlier, asked me yesterday what I thought about Bitcoin because he has Bitcoin, and he's he was feeling the fear with it, right?
	And I said, Well, okay, I said there's two things you got to consider.
	Number one, pay attention to how you feel because odds are how you feel is exactly how everyone feels.
	And you know, it's like so, if you monitor yourself, you know, that's the best judge of it.
	You don't have to look at a fear and greed index, you can look at your reaction to the price action and how that makes you feel.
	If you can pay attention, it's very instructive.
	It took me too long to learn that, but I mean, you know, it is very instructive.
	And so, you know, obviously, you know, you don't want to be greedy and you don't want to be fearful.
	Like, you know, those are the two things that'll get you.
	So, if you're aware of it in yourself, you can make better decisions.
	And if you start to feel really afraid, what I told him is, I said, you have to back up and go, is the case that you have for the investment still valid?
	If it's still valid, ignore it.
	If it's changed, you know, then you might want to, at least, you might want to lighten up on your position.
	Maybe you're feeling this bad because you have leverage or you're overweighted, you know.
	So, I, but this fear greed thing is the whole game, I think, when it comes down is one of the reasons why we're seeing Bitcoin get hit so hard right now is because of the ease of moving in and out of Bitcoin due to the ETFs.
	So, when there's a liquidity crunch, it's easier for people to sell Bitcoin than it is to sell gold.
	Let's say, Chris, do you think there's validity to that observation?
	Yeah, and I would kind of reframe it as how can it move like this, right?
	Because it becomes a mechanical throughput, not so much a subjective narrative, right?
	So, here you can explain the mechanical of how Bitcoin has two really big sell-offs in the last 45 days.
	One October 10th, that was the largest leverage online.
	The actual number is north of 260 billion.
	What's been reported, everything reported is not accurate, as you gentlemen all know, but that was the real number.
	And then, in the last kind of few days, you're getting price action that's not really even subdividing.
	So, what that looks like from a pattern and practical perspective is forced selling.
	And then, you look at what occurred on Wall Street, where this summer these digital asset treasury equities were listed.
	Capital was then immediately put into digital assets diagnostic to price, and they're being forced out of it.
	So, you really have to try and transition your mind to go, oh, why is it down?
	Well, obviously, that just means more sellers than buyers.
	Duh, but more asked questions of how, how can that manifest?
	And to your point about gold, you know, and I, and I'm a perma gold bug too: gold's a pain in the neck to sell physical and try and time it, right?
	You have to physically wrap it up and ship it back and wait for that transit.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, I think that's a net benefit to gold.
	So it just creates more stability in the gold market because people are less likely to want to ship it back and sell it that way.
	Whereas with Bitcoin, they could just fire off sell orders through the ETFs, right?
	Yes.
	And I think maybe a better way to frame it is because gold has bear markets that are humongous and long also.
	Yes.
	Like after the 2011 peak, which I love bear markets because then you can just buy all the time for years in accumulation.
	But, you know, it's got less short-term, what we call realized volatility, much, much less, because of the characteristics you just described.
	There are approximately 100 million American families, you know, 330 million Americans, the average family and so forth.
	So you've got 100 million American families that are supposed to somehow repay $100 trillion in debt.
	Now, that happens to be $1 million per family.
	Per family.
	Yes.
	And the average family in America today earns $52,000 and they're barely getting by.
	So where is the money going to come from to pay off this debt?
	The question I think is, is it a product of just terrible leadership in our country?
	Or is there a design behind it?
	The economic outlook for many nations right now is pretty grim.
	Germany, for example, is suffering an industrial collapse due to loss of energy from Russia.
	The vast majority of German cities and towns are bankrupt.
	France and the U.K. suffering similar things.
	The United States may be experiencing an attempted reindustrialization because of Trump inviting a lot of external money to come in to build data centers, largely, but microchip manufacturing, things like that.
	However, other sectors of the U.S. economy are not looking that great at the moment.
	The debt to GDP ratio is still about almost 130% in the U.S. Not as bad as Japan with 230%.
	But China's also got a debt problem as well.
	So can you give us your big picture outlook about where we are economically, both domestically and then in terms of global geopolitics?
	Yeah, you know, Mike, it's funny.
	Back in, I think it was 2008, I was with George W. Bush.
	I took him to Haiti on my aircraft along with his director of the budget management.
	And remember, this is 2008.
	I think we were in debt as a nation at about $8 trillion or something like that.
	That sounds right.
	And I asked the president, what do you think about this debt?
	And both he and his director of the Office of Management Budget said almost simultaneously, it's unsustainable.
	That was $30 trillion.
	That was $30 trillion ago.
	$30 ago.
	So we're deployed right now.
	And I like to do the math on this.
	So, you know, we're talking about $38 trillion in debt, but we also have unfunded liabilities.
	For example, Medicare and then the Social Security system, trillions of dollars that is owed, but not counted on the books.
	Then we had federal pensions and a variety of things.
	Interest on the debt.
	What's that?
	Interest on the debt.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it easily over very conservatively $100 trillion.
	Yes.
	So there are approximately 100 million American families, you know, 330 million Americans, the average family and so forth.
	So you've got 100 million American families that are supposed to somehow repay $100 trillion in debt.
	Now, that happens to be $1 million per family.
	Yes.
	And the average family in America today earns $52,000 and they're barely getting by.
	So where is the money going to come from to pay off this debt?
	And of course, you have interest on the debt right now.
	This year, I believe, we're at about $1.6 trillion of about a $6 trillion income that the government has.
	And of course, we're borrowing money to pay the debt.
	That looks like a lot of households.
	When a household has to borrow money to pay the minimum on the credit cards, which is what we're looking at here, you've got disaster on your hands.
	And that's whether it's a family or whether it's a nation.
	So it clearly is unsustainable.
	The question I think is, is it a product of just terrible leadership in our country?
	Well, a lot of it is.
	There's no question about that.
	Or is there a design behind it?
	You've seen the book, The Great Taking, where things have been put in place, either through regulation or through laws, where we don't actually own our stock anymore.
	And those people that are listening, they have a 401k and you're feeling pretty good about it.
	Well, show me the stock certificates in your 401k that are issued in your name.
	This is not.
	It's not in your name.
	Yeah.
	You know, they quit doing that when the internet came along a number of years ago.
	They blamed it on paperwork.
	But in reality, we don't own our stocks.
	We have been given a right to those stocks.
	You know, we can buy and sell, and that's good as long as things stay solvent.
	But at some point, the chickens are going to come home to roost, where the government can no longer borrow enough to pay the debt and continue to borrow.
	And I believe that the people that are behind the curtain, the people that control the central banks, which, by the way, the Rothschild family controls all the central banks of the world, they're so far more wealthier than Elon Musk.
	You can't even imagine.
	Well, in 1929, when the stock market crashed, for much the same reason, by the way, you could borrow margin loans to buy stock with 10% down, and the central bank had loosened money and liquidity was out there.
	But then literally in one day, they told the banks in the country they could no longer make margin loans and that all marginal loans had to be collected immediately.
	That's what caused the crash.
	And it's what caused the depression.
	But there were people that knew in advance when it was going to happen.
	The Kennedys, for example, Joseph Kennedy.
	Well, those people knew when it was going to crash, were able to sell out at top dollar and then come back later and buy pennies on the dollar.
	And what's going on behind the scene, where there's COVID or whatever right now, the elite, the globalists, have an agenda that requires three things.
	They want to absolutely control us.
	Number two, they want a massive transference of wealth from us to them.
	And number three, they want a controllable or a sustainable population.
	And that means they want fewer of us.
	And so COVID was a great example of that.
	They had us wearing diapers on our faces and we couldn't go to church.
	And one-third of all small businesses in America went out of business while the big box stores kept open.
	And they're all owned by BlackRock, State Street, and Vanguard and the Jewish mafia out there who got massively wealthy off the backs of the average American.
	And of course, when you control the media, you can control the message, the narrative, which they're masters at.
	That's why waking up is so important.
	But they've got us in a trap now where the only exit is bankruptcy in our country, the destruction of the dollar.
	You know, the U.S. dollar has lost 10% of its value against world currencies this year.
	And what's particularly interesting, you mentioned Japan.
	And by the way, I've been to Japan 25 times.
	My former company has 2,000 locations in Japan.
	Half of all gyms in Japan are curves.
	So I know the culture.
	I know the economy really well.
	And their debt to GDP ratio, as you said, is about 250%.
	It's massive.
	Interesting side note.
	And they just announced new stimulus of, I think, $153 billion equivalent, right?
	Massive stimulus.
	And for the first time in a decade, they began to pay interest on Japanese bonds.
	And there goes the carry trade.
	The carry trade.
	That's exactly right.
	Boom, dominoes falling globally.
	And, you know, we had a really tough week in the stock market last week, right after they announced that the people that have borrowed yen at 0% interest and they came over here and converted them into dollars and bought stocks or treasuries even.
	Or treasuries.
	Yeah.
	They suddenly, that margin they were making off of U.S. Treasuries by borrowing zero interest loans in yen, Japan decides to start charging an interest rate.
	That's about 1.5%.
	And that margin just closed.
	And this explains a lot of the crypto problems right now, too.
	I noticed today.
	It's going to be massive unraveling of a lot of positions.
	I think it was $88,000 today for Bitcoin.
	And so all of that now is unraveling.
	And then, of course, you have the sanctions war and the bricks that have been put in place to protect other countries against U.S. assault and hegemony that's going on out there.
	So you have a lot of things that are being put in place to bring this country down economically.
	And there's really not much that we're going to be able to do about it as a voting citizen.
	The real key is what can we do about it as individuals?
	How can we do wealth preservation?
	I laugh when people or institutions purchase 10-year treasuries thinking that they know what's going to be in 10 years because of the disruptive power of AI technology, machine cognition right now, just because of recent improvements from Google and Gemini and Anthropic and Grok and others.
	Plus, China is very strong in this area with DeepSeek and Alibaba, et cetera, Quen.
	In 2026, I'm anticipating the displacement of millions of office jobs, white-collar jobs, primarily in areas like customer service and sales service, where 80% replacement rates are achievable today with today's technology.
	That'll be 90% six months from now, if not higher.
	Those job displacements are going to be massive and they will accelerate.
	And I don't see anybody in Washington, D.C. that's calculating any of this into their equations at all, or even with central banks.
	They're not calculating this.
	And I'm almost done with my question.
	Sorry.
	Eventually, Trump is going to have to approve a universal basic income, it seems, because of UBI.
	So many Americans will have lost job prospects, at least in the short term, because their skill set is now obsolete.
	And Amazon announced it's going to replace 600,000 warehouse workers over the next several years.
	And they already let go 30,000 this year, according to reports.
	So when we start printing a trillion dollars a month to hand out to people who lost their jobs, then that puts us, we're going to be at $50 trillion in debt before the next presidential election.
	You know, I mean, how does that sustain?
	Yeah, you know, you actually, there's a couple questions in there.
	One is printing money devalues of the dollar.
	It's just standard economic principle.
	And they're doing massive amounts of it now.
	They've been doing it for a number of years.
	And the dollar, as you know, what we could buy in 1970 is, I think the dollar in 1970 is worth a few pennies today or something like that.
	You're right.
	I think it's a 96% loss of purchasing power or something like that.
	So we're going to continue to see that, which means there's going to be a new dollar.
	And it's probably going to be digital.
	And universal basic income is probably going to become a necessity.
	You know, we kind of have it right now.
	You know, when 42 million people are on food stamps, we're well on our way there.
	You know, it kind of goes back to the globalist thing, control, transfer of wealth, and a sustainable population.
	And let me tell you what, when you're showing up to get your universal basic income, which is barely enough to get by on, and you have to behave to get it, and we've seen that modeled through the Chinese social credit score, which, by the way, a lot of the globalists that have spoken about it, they talk about the new global government being based on the Chinese model.
	Yes.
	And so we're going to be told what we can say and do and so forth if we want to provide even minimally for our families.
	That's part of what's coming.
	And this is all by design.
	And can I interject?
	I'm sorry, but the great taking fits perfectly with this because when the banks fail, the government can come along and say, hey, we'll give you all your money back, but it's in this digital system.
	And you have to agree to the terms of this, which is the social credit score combined with the CBDC.
	And we'll give it to you over this time schedule.
	Right.
	Right.
	You know, I had a worldwide business and a good friend of mine was my master franchisee for Greece and she lived in Cyprus.
	And when the Cypriot banking system shut down those years ago.
	I remember that.
	Well, she had just sold her house for 350,000 euros and had it in a bank.
	And suddenly her her entire life savings was frozen.
	Yeah.
	And what was interesting is how they handled it.
	That was a bail in.
	It was.
	It was a first trial for bail in.
	And I actually got to experience her with her.
	I was on the phone with her almost daily.
	Here's what they did at first.
	They they they said, we're going to give everybody 10 percent of what they had on deposit.
	But here's what was interesting.
	Ninety percent of the people had less.
	They had, you know, five thousand dollars or euros in the bank.
	That was it.
	And only, you know, five percent had any substantial amount of money to buy much like it is here.
	Right.
	And the problem was when they announced that because it affected the ninety five percent that we're going to we're going to lose a little something.
	They went to the streets.
	The masses rose up.
	So then they said, oh, wait a minute.
	You know, we're going to rethink this.
	And then they came back and they left that ninety five percent of one, which really didn't have any money.
	And they they literally took almost everything from the five percent that had that were productive citizens.
	And that was their test.
	And I got to see it firsthand in that experience.
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