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	Okay, welcome to Brightown Broadcast News for Friday, November 14th, 2025.
	I'm Mike Adams.
	Happy Friday to you.
	Yeah, we made it to another Friday.
	These days, anytime that you can make it to Friday, like you can finish out a week and the world still partially functions, it's a good week, you know, because everything's changing so rapidly.
	It's like none of us can keep track.
	Like some days, don't you just feel like you're a UPS cargo plane taking off from the runway with one engine on fire or missing?
	Doesn't that feel like the way life is sometimes?
	It's pretty wild.
	I've got a lot of great stuff for you here today.
	And I also appeared on the show called Redacted, Redacted News.
	They've got a very popular channel on Rumble and they're on YouTube as well.
	Just great folks there that run Redacted.
	And they had me on to talk about how Trump's chief of staff, Susie Wiles, is, and I'm reading their title, is destroying the Maha movement and also talking about RFK Jr. and what's up with him.
	So they invited me on sort of late morning and I, because I really respect their show, so I moved some things around to make it work for them broadcasting from my new studio.
	Because remember last time I was on with them, I had to do it from a crappy webcam that did not, I was a little bit embarrassed.
	But anyway, I was able to join them from the new studio.
	I'm going to play that video for you here in just a minute.
	I think you'll find it really fascinating.
	But first, I want to show you something kind of fun.
	You may recall that I'm launching a new site called BrighteonBooks.com that will allow you to generate a book on any topic that you request.
	And it will generate it in a few minutes with everything.
	It will do the research, researching from hundreds of millions of documents or pages of documents.
	It will do the writing, the fact-checking, editing, and then packaging into a PDF.
	It'll even produce the graphics and everything.
	And then it will send it to you or send you a link to the PDF that you are free to download and give away or keep, whatever, you know, it's like an MIT license.
	So it's an open source project.
	And it's all free, right?
	So you don't have to pay anything at all for this.
	And we're about to launch it.
	And I am currently queuing up all the books that I want to generate.
	These are books that I've been wanting to write, but of course I never have time to write the books I want to write.
	You have that problem too?
	It's either like I don't have time to read the books or I don't have time to write the books.
	Really, I don't have time to do either one of those things.
	So this engine at brighttownbooks.com, which is powered by our AI engine at brightion.ai, this will finally allow you and me and others to write the books or create the books that we want to create.
	And I've also put in a new feature in it that allows you to choose a style, sort of a, let's say, an attitude.
	You could be conversational, you could be witty, you could be academic, you could be doomer, you could be inspirational, motivational, whatever you want.
	So that's, it's kind of like a mood selector for the way that it's written.
	Anyway, I want to show you this book cover image that I created because this is going to be the very first book that I generate using the new engine at brighttownbooks.com.
	It's called Awaken Your Inner Middle Finger.
	As you can see, if you're not watching the video, take a look.
	If you're not driving, Awaken Your Inner Middle Finger, Mastering the Art of Saying No.
	And the author is Fu Koff.
	I think it's German.
	No.
	Fu Kauff.
	Most of you already get it.
	So that's the author name I'm going to use for it.
	Anyway, and it's got a middle finger with a happy face covering the tip of the middle finger.
	So this book is really, it's a book on liberty and freedom and saying no to tyrants and saying no to mandates and saying no to BS.
	You know, just saying no to fake authority, saying no to your fake doctor that doesn't even know anything about healing.
	It's just a big pharma pill-pushing whore.
	Just saying no to the fake news media.
	Just right on and on and on, saying no to the fake science, no to the jabs, no to the lockdowns.
	No, no, no.
	So that's called Awaken Your Inner Middle Finger.
	And that book will be available, of course, free of charge as a download pretty soon on BrightownBooks.com.
	And if it's popular enough, I'll render an audiobook version of this using our audio voices that we use for censored.news podcast.
	But just for the record, you won't have audio book capabilities for every book.
	It's just I will actually decide which books deserve audio book versions because it takes a lot of tokens and dollars to generate audio for an entire book, in case you're wondering.
	Anyway, Awaken Your Inner Middle Finger.
	This is like the 2025 version of Tony Robbins or something.
	It's like the ultimate self-improvement manual.
	This is like Foo Cough, you know, perfect.
	All right.
	And now let me play the Redacted video for you.
	This is my appearance earlier on Redacted talking about Susie Wiles and the Maha movement, how it's being ripped apart from the inside and how MAGA is headed for the dumpster if Trump doesn't turn things around right now.
	And we want Trump to succeed.
	We want America to succeed.
	We want Maha to succeed.
	But where it's headed right now, it's just, it looks like it's all controlled and run by big pharma at this point.
	And a bunch of gatekeepers are blocking RFK Jr. and blocking Trump from doing the right things that they need to do.
	So check out this segment and then we'll continue on the other side.
	Well, is Trump's chief of staff, Susie Wiles, ruining his presidency and, by proxy, the MAGA movement?
	It sure seems that way.
	And Trump knows it, by the way.
	We can't like treat him as a toddler.
	Like maybe he doesn't know.
	He's not a toddler.
	He's the president of the United States.
	He's not a comatose, braindead Joe Biden, who clearly didn't know.
	He knows what's going on and he has to know that she's ruining the entire MAGA movement and Maha by proxy.
	So why hasn't he fired her yet?
	Now we're learning new information from Dr. Stephen Hatfield and Gray Delaney, who were fired from HHS over the summer.
	They're blowing the whistle now, saying that Susie Wiles is destroying the Maha movement on purpose, controlling everything that RFK does.
	And Brett Weinstein, I think yesterday on the Joe Rogan show or maybe two days ago on the Joe Rogan show, says that he is unclear as to exactly what's happening, but he's watching this destruction happen in real time.
	People who have gone to the administration like Robert Kennedy and they're completely being blocked.
	Well, he wonders why.
	Watch.
	You know, I'm watching, In many cases, my friends pulled into the administration with a lot of momentum behind them.
	And I'm watching something seemingly prevent the promise that was there from being realized.
	Right.
	You're talking about RFK.
	Well, I'm talking about, you know, RFK.
	I was just with J. Bhattacharya.
	There's something that when the good people get to Washington and try to do the right thing, there is an architecture that drains them.
	that wastes their efforts, that places roadblocks, that causes them to back their objectives way off.
	And I don't know what it is.
	I have a theory of what it is and who's getting in the way.
	Susie Wiles and her gatekeepers.
	This is a story that's, by the way, getting bigger by the moment.
	And Mike Adams has been following this story closely.
	He joins us once again to talk about this and so much more.
	Mike is the founder of Brighton AI, NaturalNews.com, call him the Health Ranger, and one of the sharpest independent voices out there.
	He cannot be swayed.
	Mike, welcome back to the show.
	Great to see you.
	It's great to be back and honored to be on your show.
	My pleasure.
	So when you see, you know, seeing these stories now emerging about Susie Wiles from people who are on the inside and they're seeing it happen, the scuttling of the Maha movement of RFK and what he's been trying to do, does it surprise you?
	And have you heard similar things?
	Well, I've been so far, I've been kind of hands off waiting patiently about Susie Wiles, but I'm going to break that here today on your show since you invited me on.
	In my opinion, I think she's absolutely toxic to not just the Donald Trump administration, but also to the Maha movement and the GOP as a whole.
	In fact, I would say on the current trajectory, although there's still time to turn this around, but on the current trajectory, Trump is going to be facing a Democrat sweep in the House a year from now, and the White House will be lost in 2028 unless they turn this around.
	And Susie Wiles, I believe, in my opinion, is the key gatekeeper, as you said.
	Her history is, in my view, horrific with Mercury Public Affairs representing some of what I would consider to be the worst of the worst of the corporations in the world.
	Any corporation, you know, we're talking about Pfizer.
	We're talking about the Gavi Vaccine Alliance.
	We're talking about companies that promoted pesticides and herbicides that harm human health on a widespread basis.
	Plus, she campaigned for Netanyahu in 2020.
	I mean, it's almost as if Susie Wiles looks around the world for the most evil corporations and people that she can find and says, hey, I want to help you with some propaganda.
	You know, it's that bad.
	No, that's a great point.
	I mean, the Netanyahu piece alone.
	So she worked on his reelection campaign in 2020.
	I had a friend who worked on that same campaign and left and said how corrupt Netanyahu was.
	Everyone knew how corrupt he was.
	So she stayed on.
	Like, that's the thing.
	Like, there are people who knew how corrupt Netanyahu was and left.
	And she stayed on to promote him.
	And then, of course, is rewarded with a chief of staff position.
	Yeah.
	And Trump, you know, he's being isolated from the American people.
	And this is very evident in many of his comments about the economy, for example.
	The American people are struggling.
	Small businesses are struggling.
	The economy is in an implosion.
	And by the way, I hope you don't mind me saying that this excuse that they lost the October jobs numbers, like the dog ate my homework at the federal government, this is not going to fly with economists.
	It smacks of a kind of desperate cover-up that is indicative of a collapsing administration, in my opinion.
	I'm sad to say that I want Trump to succeed.
	I want Maha to succeed.
	I believe that RFK Jr. has in his heart all the good faith efforts to try to radically reform our country and bring back health, but he is being stopped at every turn.
	And so is Trump.
	No, I think you're right.
	I mean, we all want, I personally want that.
	I can't speak for anyone else.
	I personally want Trump to succeed in a big, big way.
	And I kind of, I love the idea to him, you know, some music playing.
	He walks in the Oval Office and he says, you're fired.
	You're fired.
	You're fired.
	This ship is going down fast and we need to turn this around quickly.
	But I don't think that's going to happen.
	I think these people are locked in.
	They control a lot of things.
	And then people like RFK Jr. are being pushed to the side, trying to push this Make America Healthy again agenda.
	And here we are.
	We've gotten a few wins, right?
	Red dye, things like that.
	I'm sure there are definitely a few wins.
	And I thought Maha, specifically RFK, was the brightest spot in all of the Trump administration.
	But now we see it's being completely handicapped.
	He's standing there, forced to stand there behind Albert Borla from Pfizer in the White House.
	Now they're pushing Ozempic as part of Medicaid.
	They're pushing these weight loss drugs, which you know how detrimental those are.
	So I think it's Susie Wiles who's setting up these meetings and is allowing and facilitating all of this to happen.
	Well, I think both RFK Jr. and Dr. Oz in their minds are silently screaming at having to be put through this because I know Dr. Oz also.
	I was on his show many years ago in New York City.
	And he is a man of great compassion for human beings and he knows about nutrition and natural health.
	And I believe that RFK Jr. also, he has documented, he knows very well the dangers of excessive pharmaceutical mass medication of children, mass vaccination without justification, lacking scientific support, evidence of efficacy and safety, and so on.
	So I think those two men are really in turmoil right now, in my view.
	But there's a bigger picture in all of this, which is that in terms of America being able to compete with countries like China, which is graduating so many STEM graduates in the sciences and mathematics and really excelling at so many areas of technology from robotics and drones to AI.
	If we don't radically reform our health in America, we will never be able to cognitively compete with China.
	So this isn't even about, oh, is this just a big pharma takeover?
	Yeah, but they're crippling our nation to be able to compete long term in the global ecosystem.
	We need brighter people.
	And your brain doesn't work well when you grow up and you're on medications and junk foods and vaccines all day long.
	That does not work.
	So that's one, that's a big reason why we have to have really radical reforms, but they're just not happening.
	No, and I was hoping, you know, we lived in Europe for about five years.
	And when we came back, well, one of the, one of the things that when we moved there just while the kids were young to give them that experience, we went into the lunchroom and I'll never forget we were like looking at this school and all of these kids were walking by with like a roast chicken, vegetables, like healthy food.
	And they were not obese.
	They were happy.
	They were happy to have their fish, you know, their fresh fish with just like salt and a little olive oil, whatever it was, right?
	But it was all healthy food.
	And that's how my kids got to eat for like five years with the school lunches.
	And then we moved back to the United States a couple of years ago.
	And the kids just don't want to eat the lunches anymore.
	They're like, they're serving French toast sticks as our lunch, mom.
	Like, dad, like, can we, and so we, we pack them and make them a lunch every day, like as part of this process.
	I thought like school lunches would have been like a huge thing, like a very easy thing, like a low-hanging fruit to come out.
	No movement at all.
	Silence.
	Well, there's so much money in the processed food industry.
	And by the way, don't forget Susie Wiles represented Nestle and a lot of the processed food companies over the years that make products that are loaded with things like high fructose corn syrup that food scientists will tell you absolutely contribute to both type 2 diabetes as well as obesity.
	And Trump's answer to this has been very disappointingly, oh, let's make the injections, the weight loss injections more affordable so more Americans can inject themselves.
	President Trump, I'll tell you, that is not the answer to the health problems.
	What you're going to have is you're going to have a nation of obese people who then are paralyzing the vagus nerve in their body with these injections that for many people, I mean, have you seen the side effects on the websites of some of these companies?
	They say it can make you blind.
	They say it can give you cancer.
	Permanent side effects are horrific.
	Permanent diarrhea.
	Yeah.
	We're going to become a zombie nation if this is the approach.
	And that's sad to me.
	I don't want to see that happen.
	I want to see healthy, free, abundant Americans.
	I want to live among people who themselves are healthy and wealthy and wise and have good longevity and happiness in their lives.
	And this is not, what Trump is giving us right now is not going to produce that.
	It's going to produce devastation, destitution, and death, frankly.
	That's where this is headed.
	The other piece of this, and that's terrifying and very well said, it's devastating.
	I mean, there's no way we're going to compete on an international scale when our children are walking around like zombies with on these antidepressants, SSRIs, highly processed food from their school lunches and everything else.
	But no, now take this weight loss drug that you can shove into your belly, stick it in your stomach, and you'll be fine.
	Like you'll just lose the weight.
	It's deeply disturbing.
	And I just.
	Well, I mean, like, here's what I'm drinking, right?
	Like, here's my smoothie.
	Cause I advocate nutrition and I practice nutrition.
	And I know you, both of you do as well.
	And see, that's what works.
	We've got to get back to basics.
	And as long as Susie Wiles is the gatekeeper, the processed food company is a big pharma.
	They're always going to have Trump's attention.
	And we're never going to get good results from that.
	So Susie Wiles has to go.
	And the other piece of this, and I'll just get you out of here on this, Mike, which is the gatekeeping on the press side of things.
	I can tell you from our own team and our own team that does a great job, you know, booking guests.
	You know our friends.
	And I've expressed this concern to people who are close to the White House.
	They will not do interviews with alternative media at all, unless you're like an access MA influencer type that hangs out in Washington, D.C.
	And you know the types.
	They're just trying to be like Fox News.
	They're not actually independent journalists.
	You know who I'm talking about.
	These people.
	So they will not, these same people are not allowing RFK Jr. to do interviews.
	They gatekeep interviews.
	You can't even get to them.
	So like RFK, like I could text him right now, but he'll have to still run it through these people and then they have to apologize.
	Like Tom Holman won't do interviews unless it's Fox News because they need a narrow talking point funnel in which to operate.
	And Susie Wiles and that team is controlling all of it.
	Well, one year after the election, currently Maha is failing.
	MAGA is losing its base.
	And the things that they campaigned on are being betrayed.
	The segment you just had earlier about the Epstein files is another great example.
	And also, where are the mass arrests of the traitors?
	Because you know, you know very well if the Democrats sweep back into power, they're going to have a thousand people arrested in 90 days, probably some people that are in the Trump administration right now.
	So these people had better fight as if their freedom depends on it.
	They better fight for the principles they campaigned on or they're going to lose everything.
	Mike Adams, founder of Brighton.ai.
	Rita's great work.
	Brighteon.
	Robrighteon.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	I always read it and I never say it.
	No worries.
	Yeah.
	Brighteon.
	Brighteon.ai.
	By the way, just tell our audience about this because for people who like kind of crap on AI, you've really been a leader in explaining why this decentralized is so important.
	Maybe you could just explain to our audience a little bit.
	Yeah, we spent two years and about $2 million building a decentralized AI engine that we put out for free, and it's trained on all independent alternative media plus websites like Children's Health Defense and ours, natural news and mercola.com and so on.
	It's by far the best engine for answering questions about health, nutrition, and superfoods and disease prevention.
	So, you know, I would offer this free of charge to HHS if they want it.
	I'll donate it.
	I'll donate it to RFK Jr. if they would use it, but they won't because it doesn't promote pharmaceuticals.
	There you go.
	We need more people like Mike Adams.
	Mike, great to see you.
	Thank you so much for stopping in on this thing.
	Thank you.
	We really appreciate it.
	God bless.
	Much love to you.
	God bless.
	Now, I've got an amazing interview coming up for you today.
	I interviewed Elon, the founder of what's called Alchemist Labs.
	His full name is Elon Sudberg or Sudberg, Alchemist Labs.
	And he's an extraordinary man.
	And this is an extraordinary company that specializes in botanical identity and contaminants testing for the supplements industry.
	Now, I've known Elon for, I think, almost 20 years.
	And we work with Elon's company for some of our botanical testing, for identity testing.
	And what's really cool about this interview is that he and I are both food scientists.
	You know, I run a mass spec lab.
	He, for many years, ran a thin film high-performance liquid chromatography testing facility, but they then added HPLC to their lab.
	But of course, we specialize more on the mass spec side for quantitation based on molecular mass or mass to charge ratios and heavy metals analysis via ICPMS, glyphosate analysis via triple quad mass spec, et cetera.
	But even though our companies have different specialization, different instruments, we are both very passionate about natural medicine, herbal medicine, but also clean food, clean supplements, clean superfoods, clean tinctures, et cetera.
	And in this interview, you're going to get a really amazing behind-the-scenes look at some of the stories in the supply chain, some of the shenanigans with Amazon.com sellers, like third-party sellers that are not always honest.
	You're going to hear stories about like maltodextrin, adulteration, fake counterfeit herbs, all kinds of things.
	And this, we've never had an interview like this.
	I don't know why we should have done this earlier, but it's such a powerful look behind the scenes to sort of peel back the curtain and look at what's actually happening in the food and supplements industry.
	So it's really great.
	And I've got so many amazing interviews to share with you just over the next few days.
	This weekend, I'm going to be posting.
	So I've got my interview with Aaron Day that I still haven't posted this week.
	I'm going to post that probably then tomorrow, Saturday.
	I've got my interview with Robert Scott Bell.
	And then I just did another interview with an extraordinary man who runs a project called Open Source Ecology.
	And I'm going to play that one next week.
	That's part of our decentralized TV show.
	And what this man does, and his name is Marchin.
	I mean, that's how it's pronounced.
	Marchin.
	That's his first name.
	And he believes in inventing and documenting methods for manufacturing your own essential agricultural equipment from scratch without using proprietary technologies or companies like John Deere or whatever tractor companies are out there.
	And he actually designs, and he's got a PhD.
	This is a high-level genius person.
	His PhD is in nuclear freaking fusion.
	Like this guy, he's a super high IQ individual.
	And what he does is he builds blueprints using like free open source CAD programs.
	He builds blueprints for machines and then he open sources those so that everybody can build their own equipment at extremely low cost.
	And he is launching an event here coming up.
	He's got a bunch of people together.
	They're going to build an open source house that has a market value of about $400,000.
	They're going to build it themselves in December using just $40,000 in material.
	Yeah, just $40K in material.
	They get a 10X value enhancement.
	And it's an open source house design that you can also download the plans.
	You can check it out yourself.
	Of course, there's a lot of labor that goes into it, which does, I mean, that is a significant part of housing costs.
	But in terms of the materials, it's only 40K that goes into this house.
	And it's solar powered and everything.
	So this interview is going to air next, I think, Tuesday.
	And you definitely do not want to miss that.
	And then I've got an interview.
	I mean, because don't you love open source knowledge and information?
	It's kind of like what we're doing with Brighteon Books.
	This guy, Marchin, he's doing it with tractors and skit steers and bulldozers and dump trucks and like, what's it called?
	Rammed earth piston machines to make rammed earth blocks to build homes and things like that.
	He's got it all nailed down.
	He's got about 50 key pieces of equipment from which you can build civilization.
	So that is so cool.
	Such a great project.
	I can't wait to share that interview with you again.
	That'll be Tuesday.
	And then I think Monday, I'm going to air an interview with Aaron Abke and James Benefico.
	They have a podcast called The Jesus Way, and they have a dietary approach or a nutrition approach called the Jesus Diet.
	So we had an amazing conversation about the Jesus diet and fitness and phytonutrition and God's natural medicine and so much more.
	My goodness, this has been, I got to say, we have really put our new studio to good use.
	You know, our studio only opened last week.
	And since then, I don't think I've ever worked harder doing more interviews than now.
	But hey, that's what we built it for.
	And thank you for all your support, by the way, so that we could, we could build the studio, we could build the new lab, we could, you know, build the robot testing area and everything.
	We couldn't, couldn't do it without your support.
	And the best way you can support us is to take advantage of our Black Friday sale that's going on right now.
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	It's necessary for us to continue to do what we do.
	Obviously, you know, we need your financial support.
	And so thank you for that.
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	Now, going to pivot here, despite the fact that the economy is kind of scary right now, and despite the fact that there's all this AI replacement stuff happening, and, you know, businesses are not, this is not the best time in recent memory for most businesses, including restaurants and service businesses and online retailers, etc.
	But I've got a report here that I want to share with you that I recorded today.
	I felt really inspired when recording this, and it's called The Scary Shift from Scarcity to Abundance, from Scarcity to Abundance.
	And the point of this is that we are living through a revolutionary shift in culture and consciousness, where we're shifting from an old outmoded model of scarcity, which is based on, for example, the oil economy, a fiat currency, the dollar, big banks in control, you know, big tech censorship, all of this nonsense.
	A medical industry that preys upon suffering and disease rather than health and joy.
	We're shifting from the scarcity economy to an abundance system.
	And in the abundance system, which will be unrecognizable by a lot of people, which is why we have to imagine it right now, we have to really think ahead.
	The abundance economy will, even the definition of money will be radically different from what it is today.
	It won't be fiat currency.
	It'll be something completely different.
	But the abundance economy can become a reality because there really is no actual shortage of anything that humans need to live.
	There is no shortage of food.
	There is no shortage of shelter.
	There's really no shortage of even financial wealth.
	It's just that it's not, I mean, it's concentrated in the hands of a few people who are hoarding everything for themselves without giving back to humanity, without helping to uplift others.
	You know, obviously, we're talking about like globalist billionaires and people like that.
	So this shift has begun.
	And it's a profound, powerful shift that's going to change everything.
	And I believe it is accelerating.
	And part of this acceleration will involve the collapse of the old system that is breaking down every single day.
	So it's also another way to reframe what you're witnessing.
	When you see that the banks are failing or the dollar is breaking down, losing purchasing power, the government's breaking down, they can't even release the October economic numbers now.
	And they claim they never will because the dog ate my homework, right?
	It's just how I've never even heard this excuse from the federal government to say, well, the economic numbers are just broken.
	They're just broken.
	We don't even have them anymore.
	Well, what'd you do with them?
	These are all signs that the system is breaking down at a level we've never witnessed before.
	And this is a good thing.
	This is part of the process of the revolution.
	The old system has to break down before it can make way for a new system to emerge.
	And so, you know, remember my prediction?
	I said the United States of America, as we know it, will not be the same by the end of 2025 this year.
	Well, although that prediction may have been a little early, we are beginning to see the beginning phases of the breakdown of the old system and revolutionary new decentralized knowledge, technology like AI, technology like privacy crypto, technology that bypasses the sensors, bypasses the old establishments, bypasses government control, and empowers people like you and I with new options and new knowledge,
	including knowledge about health and natural cures and how to reverse chronic degenerative disease and so on.
	And all of this is happening right now.
	So it's important that we recognize that this process of an economic collapse is actually a step that has to happen for the abundance economy to emerge.
	And I know it's difficult.
	I know it's scary, but I'm hoping that this report will help you understand the bigger picture and have confidence in the fact that we're all going to be okay.
	That is, those of you listening to this, you know, I can't vouch for people who spend time on, I don't know, celebrity news or whatever.
	I can't vouch for the oblivious masses, okay?
	But you and I are going to be fine, and we're going to be able to help uplift others who will be hungry for knowledge and truth as their old system breaks down and they're left hanging out to dry when all the institutions that they believed in are collapsing.
	You know, Big Pharma is going to collapse, by the way, when the dollar collapses.
	Big AG, as we know it, will collapse when the food stamps collapse, which will happen when the dollar collapses, etc.
	So the demise, the default of treasury debt and the demise of the dollar will unleash a series of cascading events that will stop mass poisonings, mass depopulation agendas, bioweapons, conventional weapons production through the military-industrial complex, and much more.
	So the demise of the dollar will be one of the most positive events that has ever happened on this planet because it will usher in a new era of awakening and abundance rather than scarcity.
	So let's take a listen to that special report.
	It's about maybe 20 minutes or so, and then we will continue on the other side.
	I want to try to paint a picture for you today of the future that's coming that is going to be abundant.
	It's going to be revolutionary.
	And for those who want to participate in it, it would be so much better than the current system under which we are all suffering today.
	But there will be a collapse and then a rebirth in order to transition into this new kind of system.
	And part of what's going to happen is a complete recalibration of what is money?
	What are means of exchange?
	What are systems of value even?
	And the good news is that the current system is not going to last much longer.
	Now, you might say, well, what do you mean?
	Are you cheering collapse?
	No, I'm cheering the ending of a system of great evil and mass human suffering so that it can make way for something better that comes after it.
	So this current construction of Western economics, let's call it, is based on debt.
	The entire currency is a debt instrument.
	The dollar is debt.
	It's debt the moment it's created.
	It's not created on value and it's not backed by anything that has value at all.
	It's only backed by the coercion of the federal government and its willingness to coerce people into confiscation of the dollars that they have earned and collected.
	In addition, our economy is based on disease.
	Disease being all the pharmaceutical companies that President Trump favors.
	He wants to keep pushing more big pharma.
	The medical system, which is a sick care system that does not promote health, does not promote solutions.
	It promotes ongoing sickness and disease as a profit model.
	They don't want you to be healthy.
	They literally need you to stay sick so they can continue to earn profits at the hospitals, at the drug companies, the vaccine makers, the doctors, the surgeons, you know, the ambulance drivers, even you name it, right?
	They need you to stay sick and keep getting sick.
	And then the other pillar of our economy is death in the form of military spending.
	So we have the military-industrial complex.
	We have weapons manufacturing, you know, bombs to be shipped off to other countries.
	So the three pillars of our current Western economy are debt, disease, and death.
	And that system, thankfully, is not sustainable.
	And it is headed for collapse.
	And we should celebrate its collapse.
	And the collapse of this system will be, of course, catastrophic for a great many people.
	I don't wish suffering upon anybody.
	But the greatest suffering is if this system continues to exist.
	So the collapse of the system and then a rebirth into a new system is a necessary step.
	It's just like being born is probably scary and painful and traumatic.
	It's like, oh, oh my God, it's bright.
	You know, it's loud.
	It's cold.
	What's going on when you're born?
	Well, it's going to be kind of like that being born into the new economic system, which I believe has to be based on open source knowledge, open source ideas,
	the end of the patent system, the end of the scarcity economy that has been used to rule over people and to extract wealth from them for a very long period of time, as long as we've known in Western civilization.
	But the extraction economy, which is extracting from you, from the product of your cognition and your labor, the extraction economy is a dead concept because it cannot lead to the universal abundance that can allow humanity to advance forward.
	Instead of an extraction economy, we have to have a decentralized abundance economy.
	So let me say the extraction economy, I'll describe it as the scarcity system.
	The scarcity system will never create abundance because it is rooted in scarcity and it demands scarcity as a means of generating profit.
	Think about oil.
	Think about energy.
	Well, if energy wasn't scarce, then they couldn't charge $80 a barrel for oil or whatever the current price is.
	Or they couldn't charge 35 cents per kilowatt hour for electricity on the Eastern Power Grid.
	If energy were abundant, it would be cheap.
	If it were really abundant, it would be virtually free.
	And that would unleash so much in terms of how people can live off-grid and live free and not be stuck in a cycle of endless corporate slavery, et cetera, that the establishment will never allow that system to exist.
	That's why they've suppressed free energy technologies.
	They cannot allow abundance because their power is derived from scarcity.
	But what we're finding is that scarcity is actually irreconcilable with reality.
	Although, arguably there's scarcity, limited amounts of elements like copper, aluminum, and things like that.
	But there is no cosmic scarcity in energy.
	There's unlimited energy all around us.
	And so the scarcity in energy is artificial, which means also the scarcity in food is artificial.
	It is induced into the system and it does not need to exist.
	Nobody on this planet needs to go hungry.
	Because if energy is unleashed and if energy is virtually free, then anybody can be taught to grow food.
	You know, free energy means really cheap food.
	Nobody would go hungry anywhere in the world.
	Although, again, the number one cause of hunger in our world today is not actually a lack of food.
	It's politics or geopolitical reasons.
	You know, blocking food aid to go into areas like Gaza, for example.
	You know, that's a human-caused famine.
	But free energy can help decentralize food production all over the world.
	It can make food widespread, widely available, also decentralized so that people can grow more of their own food and have better nutrition from homegrown foods rather than centrally manufactured processed foods.
	So some of the key markers of moving into the abundance economy are already here.
	One of them is one that we are intimately involved with, which is decentralization of all human knowledge.
	So through our AI engine, which is at brighteon.ai, you can access it there free of charge.
	And all of our AI tools are accessible there.
	You now have access to the entirety of human knowledge, all human knowledge that has ever been documented in a compressed form and available free of charge through our AI engine.
	You can research anything.
	You can ask it anything.
	And through our new site that's coming up shortly, BrighteonBooks.com, you will be able to generate any book on any topic completely free of charge in minutes with no limit on the number of books that you can generate and full access to all the other books that everybody else generated on that site because it's all about generating open source content and sharing it freely with everybody.
	No charge for that.
	Again, just to be clear, it's completely free.
	Well, this situation has never existed before in human history where you had access to all human knowledge at no cost.
	But see, this is indicative of the abundance economy.
	In the abundance economy, your knowledge is not limited by the number of books you can afford.
	Even though that's been the case for as long as we've been alive, you may recall if you ever went to a university, how much did those university textbooks cost?
	They were insane.
	I remember being at the student bookstore and you'd have to buy the books for the classes, right?
	Remember that?
	You have to buy the books.
	And the book is written by the professor.
	And the book is $150 each.
	Like, what?
	Now they're even more than that, hundreds of dollars per book.
	Well, that was based on scarcity.
	And that era is now obsolete.
	Now you can have any book generated on any topic completely free of charge, and everybody in the world can have access to every book in every language.
	And yes, we will add a multilingual translator to our engine so that you can have books in any language.
	That's coming.
	So I want you to think about what happens when that kind of process also applies to things like energy or food or medicine.
	Then you may begin to understand that the concept of currency actually begins to morph quite dramatically.
	What if you don't need currency such as dollars to get most of the things that you need in your life?
	What if you have instant access to all the energy that you ever need free of charge?
	What if you have instant access to all of the technology that you need free of charge or all of the medicine, natural medicine, natural cures, etc.
	Then you don't need currency to trade for any of these things because they're all so abundant that they're practically free.
	Well, that kind of system can become a reality.
	It has actually already begun.
	And it's a choice among humanity of whether we want to go into an abundance economy or a continued economy of scarcity, debt, disease, and death.
	And it's very clear that right now, Trump in the White House, he's choosing the, you know, the old system by promoting big pharma and big bombs and big military campaigns.
	And, you know, I got to say, that system should be obsolete.
	There's no need to go down that road, although he's taking us down that road.
	That's been his choice.
	But even what he represents is also obsolete.
	The future system will be based on mutual abundance for all participants.
	And it's not socialism.
	It's not communism.
	It's not centrally planned economies.
	It's a radical cultural shift, a different way of looking at what is value.
	Where value is health, which is not reflected in the GDP.
	Value is freedom.
	Value is mission.
	Assets include things like the people you know, the relationships that you have with others, and living a purpose-driven life.
	That has value that cannot be measured in any economic system.
	And given that the federal government right now has declared that they've lost all the numbers for October because of the shutdown, they're not even going to produce economic numbers for October.
	You can tell that their whole system of economic tracking, it's all collapsing anyway.
	It doesn't mean anything when the government lies to you with its latest numbers or when they withhold numbers from you because they don't want you to see how horrifying they are.
	Those numbers are not relevant to your life, not in the future economy.
	What's relevant to your life is your access to knowledge, your access to growing your own food, your access to energy, your access to, for example, off-grid robotics technology that can help automate a lot of these tasks so that you can live more free, more decentralized from the system.
	These are the things that actually matter.
	And what we're going to see is a recalibration of the economic system around these principles, which are decentralized.
	And by the way, crypto is perfect for this.
	Cryptocurrency is the currency for this kind of system, but privacy crypto.
	And I think the best two today, the best candidates are, well, Monero is the most popular, but Xano is the best candidate because of its infrastructure, because you can create other tokens on top of Xano.
	And Xano has properties that Monero does not have that make Xano actually really incredible for rapid transactions in a new economic system.
	So maybe we'll see something like something, maybe Xano itself or some token built on Xano that becomes part of this economic system.
	Bitcoin probably has a role as well because it's so universally recognized, but Bitcoin is not private.
	And so it's fully transparent.
	And lack of privacy leads to centralization of control by the watchers, which is the governments or the corporations or the tech giants.
	If they can watch over you, then they can control you.
	And then that is not decentralization.
	That is not freedom.
	So privacy and decentralization have to go hand in hand.
	And that's why I think the new economy will be run on cryptocurrencies that are privacy currencies, such as Xano, Monero, whatever others might be candidates in that category.
	And then in this future system, you're not going to have the same incentives just to collect more currency, which is the way the current system works.
	It's like, oh, how much currency can we collect?
	Can we die with more dollars in the bank, which doesn't even matter?
	Who cares?
	Instead, the cultural shift or the awakening, which is the name of my album, by the way, on Spotify, The Awakening.
	My artist name, by the way, is Amethyos, A-M-E-T-H-I-O-S.
	If you want to hear all my songs that actually all the words are about these kinds of topics or related to it, just go to ametheos.com and you can have all my songs for free.
	Again, that's A-M-E-T-H-I-O-S.com.
	Enjoy all that.
	But you're going to see a cultural recalibration where it's no longer a quest for maximum currency.
	It's a quest for maximum happiness.
	It's a quest for health and longevity.
	You know, what's the point of dying early with a lot of money in the bank when you could pursue health and longevity and live longer with less money, but more purpose and a greater impact on the world around you.
	So this recalibration is going to happen.
	And a prerequisite to it is the collapse of the current out-moded system.
	So again, to reiterate, do not cry when the dollar collapses.
	It is a gift to the world for fiat currencies to collapse to usher in the necessary dominoes, you know, the domino effect, cause and effect that brings in the new system.
	The old system has to go away for the new system to rise.
	And the new system is going to be based on abundance, not scarcity.
	Now, under the new system, there shall be no patents because patents grant monopoly control over a piece of technology and it's enforced by the government and the judicial system.
	That is obsolete.
	No patents.
	Instead, there can be a registry of ideas so that you get credit.
	You can file your idea to say, hey, I'm the guy or the gal who came up with this and I just want a record of history.
	And the so-called patents will go on a blockchain that's immutable and it will show that, yeah, you know, this person, you know, the Mrs. Johnson or whatever, she was the one who came up with this idea that has changed the world and that.
	Therefore, she's the first on the record.
	She gets credit and maybe she achieves celebrity status or something.
	Maybe her reputation becomes an asset.
	So she can't run around and tell everybody else, no, you can't build this.
	But she can say, if you do build it, you need to give me credit.
	So it's basically like an MIT license in software or something close to that, where everything becomes open source.
	Like, yes, you can use all of these inventions.
	You just have to give credit to the original inventor.
	So the patent system becomes a registration system to give credit to the inventor.
	And that's at that point, then you would unleash amazing innovation all over the world because there'd be plenty of people who are willing to invent things as long as they just get credit for it.
	You know, the ego comes in.
	People just want credit.
	And then you would have all kinds of inventions for free energy devices and more efficient combustion engines possibly.
	Or, you know, who knows, anti-gravity, all kinds of possibilities that the technologies that have been suppressed.
	Why have they been suppressed?
	Because again, we've been in the scarcity economy this entire time.
	So we've been in really an anti-innovation civilization, which is why Google is an anti-knowledge search engine.
	It's not designed to give you knowledge.
	It's designed to deceive you and to blockade your brain to make sure that you don't find out information that could radically upset the status quo.
	That's Google's job.
	That's also the job of the mainstream media is to keep you brainwashed and keep you captured into a system that will exploit you.
	It will steamroll you.
	It will extract every bit of value from you and leave you for dead.
	But it will never allow you to have access to the truth.
	The kinds of truths that I talk about on my podcast and that many others do as well.
	The kinds of truths that empower human civilization and create long-term sustainability that actually create a future for the human race.
	So the old system is dying.
	That's a good thing.
	A new system is coming online.
	And if you want to participate in this new system, then it's very important to stay informed.
	And of course, that's what I'm doing, but also participate in this new system.
	So let me tell you about the tools we have that can dramatically help you.
	Number one, go to brighteon.ai, and there you'll see a quick directory to all of our AI tools.
	Currently four of them, but more are coming.
	It's going to be really incredible.
	I'm going to have the best Christmas season ever because I'm going to spend the vacation days vibe coding new tools for humanity.
	It's like, this is the best Christmas gift I could ever imagine.
	So there you can click on censor.news, which is our news crawler and news trends analyzer engine that you'll love.
	Just check it out.
	And then there's brightu.ai, which is our AI engine that you can ask anything, but it's especially trained on nutrition, health, off-grid living, preparedness, honest money systems, and so much more.
	There, we also have vaccineforensics.com, which is a vaccine research tool powered by AI and millions of documents that we've indexed that have been made part of that search.
	Let's see what else.
	Oh, yeah, then BrighteonBooks.com, the book generator.
	So go there, use those tools.
	You can always follow me at brighteon.com.
	My channel is HRReport.
	You can follow me on X at HealthRanger or Telegram at RealHealthRanger.
	You can follow me on Brighteon.io, Brighteon.social, which is our social media site.
	And stay informed, you know, and really check out my show, decentralize.tv.
	And check out all the guests I interview, everybody from people like Matt Kim to Aaron Day and Michael Yan and so many top minds that are just overflowing with knowledge and wisdom about what's happening in the world.
	So I'm going to continue to do this to bring you interviews, knowledge, tools.
	completely free of charge, completely decentralized, bypassing the sensors, bypassing the establishment.
	We are unstoppable.
	With your support, we are absolutely unstoppable.
	You can support us, by the way, by shopping with us, especially during this Black Friday sale at healthrangerstore.com slash Black Friday.
	All one word.
	HealthRangerStore.com slash Black Friday.
	And not only will you be benefiting yourself in terms of your health and nutrition and quality of life, but you'll be helping to fund us as we build out these tools, this infrastructure of decentralized knowledge for humanity.
	And that's what we're building.
	It's an infrastructure of decentralized knowledge.
	And that's why years ago we chose the name Brighteon.
	It means bright eon or a bright era, an era of brightness, of knowledge, of light, you know, an era of goodness and love.
	And knowledge wants to be free.
	And we are at the forefront of this through our nonprofit Consumer Wellness Center, which actually is the owner of all of these engines, these AI engines that I'm talking about.
	They're all released by our CWC as nonprofit ventures for humanity.
	But we're going to be able to build more and release more and bring you more knowledge, more solutions, more tools to help you be free, to help you uplift and empower your life in all the ways that matter.
	Freedom can be achieved.
	Knowledge has to come first.
	And we're going to bring you the knowledge to help you achieve that.
	So thank you for all your support.
	Shop with us at healthrangerstore.com.
	Use all of our tools at brighteon.ai and have some hope about the future because we're not going to be living in this scarcity economy forever.
	There will be a collapse.
	It will be catastrophic.
	Not everybody's going to live through it.
	Just to be honest about that, it's going to be a lot of people that don't make it.
	But those who do make it, which will be you probably, are going to find yourself living in a new era of abundance on the other side of this where all the old rules no longer apply.
	It's a totally new system, a system based on abundance rather than scarcity.
	And this is what was meant for us.
	Human civilization is supposed to go in this direction, but we have to leave the old, corrupt, you know, limited thinking world behind in order to create a new future reality together, a reality where we can all do well, not just going to be one winner and a billion losers, not going to be ultra wealthy individuals that collect trillions of dollars while everybody else doesn't have enough to eat.
	No, those days can be over.
	We can all have enough to eat.
	We can all have health.
	We can all have abundance.
	That is within reach.
	There's no reason why it can't happen.
	All we have to do is change the structure of our economic system and change the definition of money and change our culture.
	And that process has already begun.
	So thank you for listening.
	I'm Mike Adams here, the Health Ranger, the founder of all the Brighteon properties.
	Thank you for listening.
	Yep.
	Take care.
	Okay, welcome back.
	Hey, by the way, I want to mention that the graphics that are automatically generated for these special reports, I don't choose all those graphics.
	They're AI generated, AI chosen.
	And yesterday, there was, I'm not even going to say what it was, but there was a crazy, just a completely crazy graphic that the AI engine popped in to one of the special reports.
	And if I even describe it, it'll probably do it again.
	So I'm not, I can't even describe what it is, but it was crazy.
	And I apologize for that image.
	I had no idea how it got that image.
	Well, actually, I do have an idea because it was kind of related to what I was talking about, but the AI took it way too far.
	So anyway, just understand if there's an impolite image that you encounter in these special reports that it's not our fault is what I'm saying.
	Not my fault.
	I didn't approve every image.
	So anyway, sometimes AI goes a little crazy.
	But that is a good segue to my next topic, which is about the so-called AI bubble.
	And you hear a lot of people right now talking about the AI bubble.
	Is there an AI bubble?
	And what do they mean by that?
	What does the concept actually mean?
	Do they mean a bubble in stock prices for AI companies or stock prices for microchip manufacturers like NVIDIA?
	Or do they mean that AI doesn't work?
	Because I assure you, it does work, except occasionally when it goes insane and does crazy images.
	But it does work because I'm about to launch BrightownBooks.com, which generates entire books.
	And that whole thing is AI driven with a lot of code, by the way.
	But even the code was written by AI also through Vibe coding.
	So I guarantee you AI works.
	But is it in a bubble?
	Well, maybe.
	That's the topic of this special report.
	So let's go to that report now and then we'll continue on the other side.
	Let's talk about the so-called AI bubble.
	It's a misnomer.
	There is not an AI bubble in the classic sense of a bubble, although there may be overinvestment in AI infrastructure.
	So there could be stock prices that are too high right now.
	There could be investment that is overreaching.
	For example, in data centers that will turn out to not produce a return on the investment.
	That's absolutely true.
	But the state of AI technology itself is not in a bubble at all.
	It's in its infancy.
	And even on the financial side, the very definition of a bubble means that people don't see it.
	You know, to have a bubble, it has to be where everybody is gung-ho.
	Everybody thinks it's going to go higher.
	That's a bubble, like the dot-com bubble.
	Everybody was convinced that all the stocks were going to go up forever.
	And the bubble popped at some point.
	But up until it popped, everybody thought dot-com is going to change the whole future.
	None of us will have to work, they said.
	These are the kinds of things we heard back in 2000.
	We won't have to work.
	We're going to retire on dot-com stocks.
	Valuations, they don't have to be based on earnings, we were told.
	All they have to do is just have the numbers higher and higher forever, and then we'll trade pieces of paper with each other that have larger and larger numbers written on them.
	Well, see, that's a bubble because people couldn't see it.
	They were delusional with optimism.
	But today you hear everybody talking about the AI bubble, which begs the question, if it's a bubble that everybody knows about, why hasn't it crashed?
	So it can't be an AI bubble in the classic sense because most people think it's a bubble.
	You know, again, the definition of a bubble is that people don't think it's a bubble.
	But right now, most people are convinced AI is a bubble.
	So why hasn't the bubble popped yet?
	And my answer to that, oh, and by the way, Michael Burry, who's famous from the big short, who shorted the subprime mortgage collapse before 2008 and who made, I don't know, more than a billion dollars on that, it was widely and falsely reported that he had bet a billion dollars buying shorts against NVIDIA and Palantir.
	Well, he just announced that he's closing his investment firm and that he was wrong.
	He was wrong about the timing of the market and he doesn't understand.
	I mean, these are his words, that he doesn't understand the current market conditions sufficiently enough to manage other people's money.
	And it's a very honest thing for him to admit.
	And he's sending people's money back to them.
	Say, I can't effectively manage your money in this market environment because, you know, it's too difficult to know where things are going.
	And by the way, he never bet a billion dollars against NVIDIA.
	He said that his total investment in that play was something like $9 million.
	Not a billion, $9 million.
	So that was completely misreported as part of the sort of anti-AI movement, I guess there's one, that wanted to try to discredit all the AI investment and all the AI build out, et cetera.
	So, you know, look, I don't own any stocks at all.
	I don't own NVIDIA.
	I don't bet against NVIDIA.
	I don't bet in favor of NVIDIA.
	I prefer to stack gold and silver, which is doing great.
	Or invest in my own company's technologies, like our new AI website that's about to launch called BrighteonBooks.com, where you can generate any book on any topic in minutes completely free of charge.
	And our AI engine will do the work for you.
	The research, it's researching hundreds of millions of pages of content.
	It's pulling in the citations.
	It's writing the chapters.
	It's building the table of contents.
	It's doing fact-checking, editing, packaging into a final PDF file.
	And then it emails you a link to the PDF file that you can download for free and own forever and share with anybody forever.
	And then you can also download everybody else's books that are generated at BrighteonBooks.com.
	So right there, that's an example of why AI, the tech, is not a bubble.
	Why AI technology is incredibly useful.
	I mean, what's the value to the human race of being able to instantly at no cost generate any book, you know, an instructional book?
	This is designed for nonfiction, not fictional stories, but you can generate a book, a guide on anything from how to farm, how to build fences, how to preserve food, how to live off grid, how to be a smarter investor, whatever.
	Anything you want, how to repair your car, you know, you can generate a book instantly.
	So that has intrinsic value that's way beyond anything we ever saw in the dot-com bubble.
	You know, the dot-com bubble, those dot-com websites didn't do anything.
	They were just, a lot of them were just e-commerce sites or search engines that sucked or whatever.
	They didn't really solve big problems at all.
	And that's why they collapsed.
	AI tech today is solving big problems.
	I was on with Brian Festa, the attorney with We the Patriots USA.
	And he became aware of our AI engine at brightu.ai.
	Oh, by the way, you can find all our AI tools at brightion.ai.
	Just go there, brighteon.ai, and it links all our tools together.
	You can click on any tool from there.
	And he started to use BrightU.ai, and he was blown away.
	He told me in the interview, which I just posted, he said that previously he was very skeptical of AI tools until he saw our AI tool and he could use it for vaccine research because we also launched vaccineforensics.com, which is an AI research tool for the truth about vaccines.
	So he was blown away.
	Now he's become a huge fan of the tech and he's telling everybody about it.
	I mean, he's broadcasting to everybody.
	You got to use this tool because it's free and it's amazing.
	And it bypasses all the censorship of the government, the censorship of the corporations, the censorship of the media or the tech giants, etc.
	You can finally get full truth about vaccines, vaccine ingredients, side effects, sudden deaths, etc. using our AI tool, finally.
	So there's a real world case, and that's just one of many, one of an unlimited number of real-world cases, really, because AI is becoming so incredibly good at mimicking human cognition that even right now, having an AI agent do, let's say, entry-level legal work for you is absolutely trivial.
	AI is incredibly skilled at writing legal letters and parsing lawsuits and things like that.
	So much of the legal profession is going to be replaced by AI.
	And right now, nearly 100% of the translation and transcription industry is already being replaced by AI.
	It will be 100% because AI can do it much better, much cheaper, much faster than any human.
	And even so, there are still people out there who are living in a state of copium or something, I don't know, denial.
	And they're saying, no, AI will never work.
	It doesn't work.
	And it generates errors, they say.
	It's got errors.
	I caught chat GPT in an error.
	Therefore, all AI is bad.
	And I say, have you checked the error rate of humans lately?
	You know, people say, well, AI can make mistakes in medicine.
	Have you ever visited a human doctor?
	I mean, human doctors make the worst mistakes.
	Their mistakes will kill you.
	Human doctors, through let's call it idiopathic, allopathic, you know, manslaughter, they kill hundreds of thousands of Americans every year, at least.
	And that's not even counting the cancer industry, which is all rooted in a bunch of lies and toxins.
	They kill hundreds of thousands.
	But if an AI doctor in the future does something wrong and one person dies, you know, you're going to see a giant headline story.
	Oh, AI kills a patient, you know.
	But no stories about the hundreds of thousands of people killed by doctors every single year.
	So, you know, look, AI right now is more accurate than your doctor.
	AI knows more than your doctor, any doctor.
	Even, I mean, even complimentary and alternative doctors can't memorize all the content that even our own AI engine has learned and can access for you.
	You know, you can go to brightu.ai.
	You can ask it any question about any symptom, any disease.
	How do I prevent it?
	How do I reverse it?
	What herbs?
	What natural cures?
	What nutrition?
	What lifestyle choices?
	You know, what's going to be useful here to overcome this?
	And it knows more than any human being that has ever lived.
	And we're just getting started.
	We're just getting started.
	I mean, right now, I'm overseeing the project, of course, the data curation for the AI engines, but we are ingesting every science article, or I should say we're processing every science paper that has ever been published on planet Earth in every language.
	And we are classifying all those papers to determine which ones that we think have high trust and high scientific credibility across many, many different areas.
	And then with our next training wave, we're going to be training our model on probably millions of these science papers.
	So that's going to go into the model on top of all the current content that's in there, which is hundreds of millions of pages of content, transcripts, articles, et cetera, plus 10,000 different books that it has read as part of its learning.
	And when you put all this together, you know, our next launch is going to be absolutely mind-blowing.
	You're going to be blown away by what it can do.
	I mean, people are blown away now, but it's going to keep getting better.
	So, no, there's not a bubble in AI technology.
	There may be a bubble in AI stock prices, but there's no bubble in AI tech.
	AI tech is just getting off the launch pad, and it's already amazing.
	And if you fast forward even 18 months, it's going to be, you know, 100 times cheaper and at least 10 times better.
	And I've noticed that those who oppose AI, they keep raising the bar of their expectations to denounce AI.
	They would say, well, it hasn't reached AGI yet, so it's no good.
	Okay.
	Well, we're launching a site where it's going to write books.
	Every few minutes, it's going to churn out a whole new book that would normally take a human a year.
	So think like every 10 minutes, we're replacing a year's worth of effort to bring users education, content, uplifting, knowledge that can help empower the world.
	And then we're making those finished books open source, completely available for free for everybody to share knowledge and information.
	That alone is going to change the world, even without artificial general intelligence.
	AI doesn't need to be a super intelligent system in order to change the world.
	And in order to augment many, many jobs, you know, maybe a billion jobs.
	And then ultimately, it will replace the old jobs, but it will open up opportunities for new jobs, for new ways for human beings to show cognitive competency and to show creative expression, project management skills, entrepreneurial skills, etc.
	So even when I say that AI is going to replace, for example, most legal work, I'm not saying that every human lawyer is obsolete.
	What I'm saying is now they have the opportunity to be more mobile and do something different or better or add a higher level of humanity and cognition to what it is they do.
	They can delegate the monotonous tasks to an AI agent.
	Here, write this letter, and then we're going to put it on our law firm's letterhead.
	While the top attorney then, maybe the founder of the law firm, they could focus on the things that really inspire them.
	Maybe they want to put together a lawsuit to overcome big tech censorship, or they want to offer pro bono services to represent some group of disadvantaged people or whatever the case may be.
	It opens up lots of options for people.
	I even saw one person posting on the X that said, Well, what if AI never reaches super intelligence and it plateaus at 120 IQ?
	And then we just have a bunch of 120 IQ AI agents running around doing stuff.
	Like, that's a fail.
	No, it isn't because the average human is only 100 IQ.
	And in certain circles, that number is even lower.
	Actually, I think people are getting dumbed down by the vaccine toxins and heavy metals and all kinds of pesticides in the food supply.
	Human IQs are dropping.
	So I would love to have an assistant that had an IQ of 120.
	I could delegate a lot of stuff to a person like that, especially if they worked 24-7 and they didn't take off holidays and weekends and things like that and evenings, you know, when I'm working a lot.
	So even 120 IQ would change the world.
	But AI right now is demonstrating IQs, you know, beyond my IQ, which is higher than 900, 99 out of 1,000 people, but even it's beyond Einstein's IQ, which is even higher.
	And if AI is smarter than Albert Einstein right now, as it is, clearly, then where's it going next?
	Well, you know, 200 IQ is just right around the corner.
	And that's higher than I think almost any human that has ever lived.
	And from there, it's going to 10x.
	You know, you're going to have AI systems that are 2,000 IQ if you could even extend the measurement that way, which really you can't.
	But its intelligence will dwarf human intelligence.
	Absolutely dwarf it.
	So you're not going to be able to cognitively compete with AI.
	And by the way, the AI research is not reaching a plateau.
	It's continuing to rise exponentially in terms of the results.
	So we're on an exponential curve, an upward exponential curve in the technology.
	And I think that's why a lot of the stock prices are representing this exponential increase in the tech.
	And again, yeah, maybe some of the stocks are overvalued.
	I could see that.
	I could see some corrections along the way.
	I could even see a crash on certain things, certain companies.
	Yeah.
	Is NVIDIA overvalued?
	I don't know.
	Maybe.
	I have no idea.
	I'm not even focused on that.
	But I use NVIDIA hardware every day.
	I'm using it.
	I mean, I've got 48 workstations running right now doing data processing for our curation of knowledge.
	And every one of those is running an NVIDIA GPU.
	So, you know, and I just bought a Spark system, probably going to buy some more, probably going to buy some more server hardware, et cetera, because we're building a small data center.
	So if NVIDIA is in a bubble, then why is it that they can't make their chips fast enough because everybody in the world wants to buy them?
	You know, that doesn't sound like a bubble.
	That sounds like extremely high demand, extremely short supply.
	It sounds like NVIDIA's got a lot of runway ahead of itself, as far as I can see.
	But again, don't take this as investment advice.
	I have no idea if it's overvalued.
	I don't care.
	Their chips work.
	And I will say this, if NVIDIA plunges 80%, I'm going to make an exception to my rule about not buying stocks.
	And I'll buy the snot out of NVIDIA at a discount of 80%.
	You can bet I'll do that.
	But at the moment, I don't own any stocks.
	So anyway, if you want to use our AI tools, you can find them at Brighteon.ai.
	And the way we support our AI tools is through your purchases at our store.
	And we're running our Black Friday specials right now.
	It's a once-a-year event.
	The deepest discounts we've ever offered with all kinds of freebies given away every day.
	And it's running today.
	It's running Saturday and Sunday.
	And we'll even have a Cyber Monday event as well.
	So just go to healthrangerstore.com slash Black Friday.
	And remember that to the extent that you support us, not only are you getting the best lab-tested, high-quality, ultra-clean foods, superfoods, personal care products, storable long-term foods, all kinds of supplements and turmeric and iodine and so on, that we manufacture most of them.
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	Not only are you getting all that, but then you're helping us be able to fund our AI projects that help you with free tools like our AI engine and censored.news and BrightonBooks.com coming up.
	So the more you help us, the more we build and the more we give back to you.
	And it's a win-win system.
	Everybody wins.
	So thank you for your support.
	Thank you for listening.
	I'm Mike Adams, the HealthRanger, Brighteon.com and Brighteon.ai.
	Take care.
	Okay, welcome back once again.
	And happy Friday again.
	Just want to say happy Friday.
	Made it through this week, right?
	Wild week in terms of the markets and in terms of gold and silver.
	You know, gold and silver.
	I mean, silver was, what was it, like $54 two days ago, and then it dropped back into the $52 range.
	Gold was $4,200 an ounce.
	And as I'm looking at it right now, it's just under $4,200.
	And silver is just under $53.
	So these prices are still just astonishing.
	I mean, these are extraordinary dollar valuations of gold and silver.
	These are prices that very few people predicted would even exist at this point.
	So what does it mean about where gold and silver are going?
	I really don't know.
	I don't have a crystal ball, but it definitely displays a lot of weakness in the financial system.
	And so it's a wild ride right now.
	I would just say stick to your principles.
	Stick to the things that you know work because they are working.
	You know, you've probably been buying some gold and silver over the last few years.
	And the value of a lot of that has perhaps doubled or close to doubled in terms of dollars.
	So it's doing its job.
	So, you know, good job.
	If you want to trade dollars for things other than gold and silver, you know, you can, of course, you can consider storable foods from our store, healthrangerstore.com.
	Of course, the Black Friday thing going on right now is the best deal that you'll ever see from us ever again on things like storable food, including the freeze-dried organic fruits in the number 10 steel cans.
	And it's funny because every time I have a guest in my studio, you know what they're all asking for?
	This is funny.
	They all love the freeze-dried raspberries.
	They love the freeze-dried raspberries.
	And like I had Robert Scott Bell there.
	So I think I gave him a big steel can of freeze-dried raspberries because he and his son both really enjoyed those.
	And then I gave some to Dr. Brian Hooker as well.
	And he was loving those.
	And then the other people I had over, like Aaron Abke and James Benefico, I was loading them up with freeze-dried fruits, and they were going nuts over the mango and everything.
	Everybody loves these freeze-dried fruits because they're like candy, but there's nothing else in them other than just the fruit.
	I mean, that's it.
	One ingredient, okay?
	Blueberries, raspberries, mango.
	I think, do we have, yeah, we've got some bananas and apples and other basic fruits from time to time.
	But the favorites are raspberries and mango.
	So, good stuff.
	Now, as you know, of course, we test all of our products in our mass spec lab.
	We test for glyphosate, we test for atrazine, we test for heavy metals, and we test for, you know, listeria and E. coli, etc.
	I showed you the video the other day of our new laboratory facility.
	And we're moving more stuff in there right now.
	And in a couple of weeks, that should be all set up and running.
	I'm going to give you a brand new tour with all the instruments in place, walk you through, like, oh, this is the triple quad.
	This is where we test glyphosate.
	These are the solvents.
	These are the single quad instruments right here.
	This is the atrazine tester.
	Here's the Listeria machine.
	Here's the ICPMS, both of them.
	And I don't know.
	It's going to be a fun tour.
	I can't wait to give you that tour.
	But our interview today is with Elon from Alchemist Labs.
	And Elon knows about the importance of testing foods for identity, for purity, and also the levels of chemical constituents, which they do using also HPLC, liquid chromatography.
	And I don't know if you know this, but you can do liquid chromatography all by itself, which will give you, with a good method, it will tell you the quantitation of certain chemicals in an herb like turmeric.
	If you want to know how much curcumin is actually in the herb, it will give you a quantitative answer based on what's called the elution times or the time in the run.
	Like a run might be, let's say, 10 minutes.
	And you know, based on the chemistry and the solvent gradient that curcumin will come out at minute six, let's say.
	And then, boom, there's a peak at minute six, and you know that's curcumin.
	That's liquid chromatography.
	But we combine liquid chromatography with a single quad mass spec instrument.
	So we take the output of the LC and then we put it into an MS mass spectrometry.
	And then not only do we get the peaks, but then we also get the mass over charge ratio, which is the molecular weight of the molecule.
	So we know for sure that molecule, that is curcumin, because now we have the molecular weight because we use a quadruple and a mass spec.
	So not trying to geek out on you on this, but what we do in our lab adds these extra steps of mass spectrometry, or in some cases, triple quad mass spectrometry, which is a big ass instrument that I'll show you.
	And it has a much bigger pump and everything.
	And it's just a big ass instrument.
	It's like, can't they miniaturize this thing?
	No, they cannot.
	I mean, not presently.
	Maybe they will over time.
	So anyway, I'm going to play the interview here with Elon.
	And it's a great interview that talks about the whole industry of botanicals.
	If you buy any nutritional supplements or any protein supplements from anybody, you should hear this interview.
	If you buy food from anybody, but especially if you buy supplements, if you buy herbs, if you buy tinctures, if you buy, you know, cannabinoids or anything, any food or herb or supplement, you got to hear this interview.
	You will learn things here in the next hour that will blow your mind.
	So enjoy.
	You're going to love it.
	Here comes Elon Sudberg from Alchemist Labs.
	Enjoy.
	Oh, it's mind-blowing.
	You know, I think cannabis and the live-like plants should be legal.
	I'll just give an example.
	There's a product that is sold every day that is known to cause cancer.
	It's called cigarettes.
	But even like modern cigarettes are not tobacco.
	You take a modern cigarette, you chop it up and you put it under the microscope.
	That is not a plant powder.
	That is not a tobacco leaf.
	That is a chemical slurry that's been dried and sliced thin, yet it's still sold.
	Meanwhile, they're trying to take cannabis away at the same time.
	It's not political.
	I don't know what it is.
	It's not about health and safety.
	Welcome to today's interview here on Brighteon.com.
	I'm Micah Adams, the founder of Brighteon.
	And as you know, I'm very passionate about clean food.
	It's really, it's been a 25-year passion of mine to study clean food.
	And that's why we built a laboratory.
	And we're actually about to move into our new lab.
	I've shown you videos of that.
	And, you know, we believe in testing for food and finding out who's selling actual clean lots.
	And we've made a lot of friends in the industry.
	We've made some enemies in the industry by calling out their garbage.
	But one of the friends that we've made over the years is our guest today.
	It's just an extraordinary man.
	It's Elon from Alchemist Labs.
	And Elon Sudberg is his name.
	Did I get your last name correct there?
	Perfect.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Because I've just known you all these years as just Elon.
	I've never formally introduced you, but Elon, welcome to the show today.
	It's great to have you on.
	Thank you so much for the opportunity.
	I appreciate it.
	Absolutely.
	It's just so important to have you here.
	Let me give out your website here right now.
	It's Alchemist Labs, but Alchemist is spelled with a K. If we can show that on screen here at some point, that'd be awesome.
	And Alchemist Labs is the leader in Western civilization for botanical identification, among other things.
	Can you give us just a quick background of what Alchemist offers?
	Sure.
	So we are a plant-fungal identity potency contamination lab.
	So we can make sure your nutraceutical products that contain any botanical or any mushroom that's grown under the sun or in the ocean is what you think it is, has the quantity of things in it and is safe and free from improper or illegal levels of contaminants like heavy metals, pestites, residuals, microbiology.
	That's great.
	Wow.
	That's a very compact explanation.
	And so just to our audience, what we do, we do all of our own in-house testing on things like heavy metals and glyphosate and many, many other things, microbiology as well.
	And then we work with your company for many additional tests, such as botanical identification testing.
	And so I love the fact that you're willing to work with us hand in hand.
	We do what we do and then you do what you do.
	And the result is clean, honest food and botanical products.
	But tell us, Elon, why is this even necessary?
	Because there isn't anybody in the world that would fake a botanical, is there?
	No, we started almost 30 years ago and we were self-described.
	Our industry self-scribes is the Wild, Wild West.
	Alternative medicine was really the original medicine.
	It became alternative when allopathic showed up.
	But the fact is, plants are complicated and nuanced, even promiscuous, and it is possible to adulterate things.
	And that's been going on for a long, long time throughout the history of this industry.
	I will state that it's getting better every single day with every single test that we do and with brands like yourselves who do it internally so that bad products, bad formas, adulterated products aren't allowed to seep into the industry for consumers.
	That's well said.
	And what a lot of people don't realize is that often the cheapest, lowest price product that you might find on even on Amazon until recently.
	We'll talk about what Amazon has done differently now, but especially leading up until the recent times, a lot of it was just counterfeit stuff, wasn't it?
	They had very little guardrails in the past, and those guardos are being constantly upgraded and made better.
	I believe still work to do, though.
	Are you aware of what Amazon has announced in the last six months?
	And do you want to comment on that?
	Because I actually like what they're doing.
	But what are your thoughts?
	I hope I'm accurate.
	I know that they've really focused in on several categories, categories in trouble with sports supplements, supplements, weight loss, sexual enhancements.
	I know they're either looking into the fish oil category or have already and basically diving deep into those categories and requiring, finally, requiring them to be tested by a series of outside labs.
	And I think that they're constantly evolving.
	If your contact is someone at Amazon today, they won't be the same person in three years.
	Unfortunately, they do move people around quite often.
	So it's a little hard to keep up.
	But the program is constantly evolving for the better.
	And I'm impressed.
	I know it's a very complicated situation.
	It's so big, perhaps too big to fail in a sense, but they're doing a great job of increasing the bar for quality.
	But as I said, I think there's still a lot of work to do.
	It is still possible to buy products at Amazon that, well, we would test and probably fail very quickly because it's easy to get things on the platform.
	And they are not policing every single category, most likely because it's such a massive, massive store.
	And that's a big, big job.
	Yeah.
	In the past, this is a few years ago, we were purchasing products off Amazon and testing them in our lab.
	And I remember one in particular that was sold as a probiotic.
	It was actually an agricultural product that was just laced with high levels of lead that was repackaged as a human probiotic.
	It was actually like a soil probiotic.
	It was unbelievably toxic.
	And we did a story on it and nobody cared.
	Amazon didn't pull it.
	Yeah, it's a tough position to be in.
	You're an early adopter of the truth, as you know I am.
	And we get a lot of things thrown at us as a result, unfortunately.
	But like I said, I think they're doing a better job these days than they were in the past to improve that platform.
	In fact, when it first started, you can just sell anything you wanted.
	And it still blows my mind.
	I've been doing this for 30 years, blows my mind with the kind of stuff that we will occasionally see that so easy to avoid by very simple testing.
	And it's still out for sale.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I can show your website now.
	It's Alchemist, A-L-K-E-M-I-S-T.
	And that's Alchemist Labs.
	Here it is.
	Here's a site for those of you out there who want to use Alchemist and Analytical Testing Lab and so on.
	And you use, I think, I know you use multiple methods, but one of them is thin film chromatography, I believe, for identification of the phyto constituents, correct?
	Correct.
	So HPTLC is basically looking at a fingerprint of phytochemicals to decipher the identity of a plant and differentiate from species.
	And also important is plant parts.
	Genetics testing showed up.
	It's not new technology, but it showed up as a new platform in our industry pretty recently, but it fails to identify plant parts, which is pretty critical.
	What it also fails to do is identify the quality.
	Quality can be inferred by the bands that we find in these bands as in the phytochemical profile in these plants and fungus and extracts from four crop forms.
	Genetics is purely identity.
	So I use the example.
	You can buy peach right now out of season.
	It is genetically still peach.
	It will not taste terrific.
	You can go to Augusta, Georgia, and go to farmers market in August and buy a peach, and that'll be almost a religious experience.
	Still, peach, one has a taste profile that you seek, the other one does not.
	So, when you're only looking for identity based off on gene expression, I believe it's a misstep.
	So, Alcomes believes in sort of the orthogonal testing approach, HPTLC for identity, HPLC for phytochemical or fungal chemical constituent levels.
	And then, of course, the contaminants that you mentioned, making sure you're within the limits of heavy metals, pesticides, microbes, residual solvents, aflatoxins, things like that.
	Aflatoxins, glyphosate, yeah, all the list continues.
	Yeah.
	Well, and we've known each other, I think, for maybe going on 20 years or close to that.
	And I want to talk about the science literacy of the health freedom movement, because I remember when I first spoke with you many years ago, I did not know how to convert micrograms into other units.
	I didn't even have a lab.
	I didn't know how to work within the metric system at that time.
	My, how much we've learned since then.
	And, you know, both of us, right?
	I mean, you're spearheading all this, but there's something that I've seen across the health freedom movement that smacks of a lack of scientific understanding, which is I see a lot of people saying that, oh, this food tests positive for glyphosate.
	And a lot of alarmist type of headlines like that test positive.
	And as I pointed out, that's scientifically meaningless.
	It means there's just one molecule detected.
	It could be at parts per trillion that is irrelevant.
	What do you make of that?
	How can we help people have a better understanding of why concentrations matter?
	I identify as a marketing guy with a chemistry degree.
	So my degree in chemistry was because I wanted to run this lab and that was necessary.
	But I've always been a marketing guy.
	So I think this industry and probably a lot of industries does an absolute terrible job at marketing the quality story.
	And so to your question, how can we raise the bar of awareness or education to the consumers?
	We talk about quality.
	We share our quality stories.
	I think lab testing is sexy.
	Not a lot of people share that sentiment as I do, but I think the people are noticing the consumers are reading labels more than ever before.
	They are being influenced by headlines in the mainstream media, which I don't think many people trust anymore, but also influencers on social media, which maybe people don't trust anymore.
	And it's up to the brands to do a better job at having information about what goes into the product, where it was grown.
	But don't stop there with your agricultural practices of regenerative agriculture.
	Talk about the testing, the lab testing, share results.
	Why not?
	You spent the money.
	I mean, I know you have internal labs doing your work for your brands.
	And I know you know how expensive that is.
	A lot of brands don't talk about that spend.
	And in that communication, they have the opportunity to explain why they have levels of what they do and what's acceptable, what's not.
	Headlines might like to make excitement over things like, oh, they found glyphosate, but like you said, how much?
	And I think that's an opportunity for education of the consumers by talking about it at the brand level.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I completely agree with what you just said.
	But part of the challenge in that is that, you know, in America, we don't typically use the metric system.
	And right.
	And so, but in the lab world, that's all we do, right?
	Because otherwise you'd go insane trying to run math all day.
	Right.
	But, you know, typical consumer, you say, oh, a part per million, part per billion, part per trillion, you know, micrograms per milliliters or whatever.
	But none of it sticks.
	It's just like, is it in it or is it not in it?
	You know, is it in there?
	And it's just like, well, there's more to this story because nothing is completely clean, right?
	Can we both confirm, like nothing is completely free of contaminants?
	We don't use the word nothing in the lab.
	We say limits of detection per the equipment and the methods deployed.
	So it's not, we'll never say zero discovered.
	It's always, you know, we didn't discover any per the limit of detection or limit of quantitation by instrumentation and the method.
	Right.
	The consumers don't understand that.
	And they may never, and that's that's okay.
	But you know, I think that same issue goes to formulation.
	You know, there's a there's a phrase that is used in our industry called fairy dusting.
	So a lot of brands will just throw in the hot ingredient at low, low doses just because they want it on the label.
	But is it clinically effective or is it clinically at a clinical, I'm missing a word here, but is it at a dose level that actually is meaningful?
	And there's brands out there that don't care about that.
	They're basically marketing brands that sell a thing.
	And that's another thing that companies can do a better job at in our industry to talk about why their formula is formulated as such and why it doesn't have, you know, raspber ketones showed up on the market and everyone threw that in their product at levels that were not discoverable by labs like us.
	One, maybe they weren't there.
	And two, if they were, they were in such levels that were undetectable by normal limits of detection.
	I think that's also an issue and/or an opportunity to expand awareness and education at the consumer level.
	Absolutely.
	Elon, you're also aware that manufacturers like us, we will receive certifications from vendors or growers.
	And of course, we learned early on that you can't trust any of those certifications, right?
	Yeah.
	I will see things on certificates that are just blatantly not true, or they'll have a certificate from three years ago that they're still using on recently grown crops.
	What are some of the problems that you have seen in the supply chain that requires and demands more scrutiny and testing?
	Well, it's funny you mentioned that because this goes back to your and my origin story.
	You and I met over an ingredient called Houdia, which is a South African succulent.
	It takes about six years to grow to maturity.
	And it's an endangered species, only grows in South Africa.
	And to make it worse, it was said to be a key ingredient in weight loss.
	So hot category, endangered species, grows only one spot.
	And when we were started testing there, people were selling C of A certificates of analysis showing the quantity of a thing called P57.
	It was named that.
	I don't even know why.
	These phytochemical names usually mean something.
	But on top of that, I'm at this point, I'm mid-chemistry degree and I bring a certificate of analysis to my professor.
	And the scammers were calling it isoberbarren alkaloid.
	Those are three phrases that mean something in organic chemistry, none of which pointed towards the actual molecule of p57, which is a steroidoglycoside.
	So to your question and to your point, the C of A's can be sort of defrauded.
	And if people aren't asking questions deeper.
	So you and I met around Houdia.
	We were doing testing just identity, and then we were doing phytochemical analysis to measure the p57 and failing so many samples.
	And at that point, I actually received two separate death threats.
	And the only two I've received my career of almost 30 years doing this, but two separate death threats from vendors who were displeased upon our results for the million dollar of powdered garbage that they were sending and selling customers.
	That's fascinating because I did not know that because I also received threats probably from the very same people because we were exposing that they were selling basically ground up leaves.
	It was leaves, it was maltodextrin.
	It was, you know, good news is here's the thing: our industry is not known for killing people.
	We have one of the best safety records of all the FDA categories, including pharma, medical devices, veterinary, cosmetics, and food.
	Our little sliver of the pie chart of recalls and serious adverse events is so tiny, it's inconsequential.
	But so, a lot of the stuff that when we're talking about in this conversation are not things generally that are going to be hurting you, it's more like fraud.
	Now, there's always the cases of the pesticides and heavy metals that are more on the toxic side that we I know that you're particularly interested in and care about, which is greatly appreciated.
	But for the most part, our industry is very safe.
	That's true.
	And when we do get defrauded, it's because people dilute things with maltodectrin or they have the wrong plant species or the wrong plant part, usually discovered after being tested with inferior methods by inferior labs.
	Well, and to your point, a lot of it is good faith manufacturers who trust the vendors, which is a gullibility that is not justified in this industry.
	You have to automatically distrust all the certificates.
	Did you want to?
	Did you want to?
	Yeah, so yeah.
	So, yeah.
	So, I say what we do as Authorized Labs and what I've really put my career on is really transparency in lab testing.
	So, when we sell a certificate of analysis, we give the method, we give the chromatograms, we give almost all the information you need to reproduce that test.
	And the reason people don't is because they're either doing a bad job and they don't want to expose it or they're fearful that someone's going to basically replace them or their lab.
	Like, if we have customers that test with us for about a year or two, they technically have all the methods they need to deploy on their own to do the testing.
	And, you know, to date, we've only lost a handful of clients because of that.
	So, to your point, these garbage C of A's, you know, I think certificates analysis should contain data.
	They should contain chromatographs.
	They should contain mobile phases, stationary phases, all these parameters that are necessary in the scientific world to show how did you come to this conclusion, not just method 6538 adapted by Joe Schmo and check mark.
	It should show all the data and why shouldn't it?
	Then you should be able to reproduce that periodically.
	Lastly, I think folks should audit more.
	We are going through a two and a half day audit right now by a big customer.
	They couldn't fly here because of the flights, but so I did a virtual lab tour.
	They were grilling me on that.
	They've been grilling my lab director and my quality manager all day, as they should, because our lab is producing reports that they're relying on.
	They're putting green buttons on conveyor belts that's putting products on shelves and capsules in people's stomachs based upon our results.
	They should be up in our business as much as possible and asking questions.
	And if you run into a situation where someone does not want to answer those questions, you find a new vendor, you find a new contract manufacturer, you find a new lab.
	Yeah, I completely agree.
	And that's great.
	That scrutiny level is very important.
	And I was mentioning to you before we started, you know, we're moving our lab right now.
	So we have to then go through recertification of ISO certification at the new facility, which involves a massive on-site audit, demonstration of skills, you know, blind tests, everything.
	And all of that costs a tremendous amount of money.
	And by the way, you mentioned, I love the fact that you have such transparency with your methods.
	I love to see the reports that your company produces.
	And I got to say, even though, you know, in our lab, I'm sure that we could attempt to take on some of those tests.
	The truth is that this is about specialization.
	You know, we focus on MassSpec, ICPMS, heavy metals, glyphosate, et cetera.
	And your lab, and you, you know, you're going to all the events, all the seminars, staying up to date on all the botanicals.
	Like you know botanicals better than anybody that I've ever met.
	And that's a passion.
	Yeah.
	And that's really part of our work story that the company was formed by my father, Sidney Sutberg, who is by training chemist, then an acupuncturist, an herbalist, and then a chiropractor.
	And our quick story was basically he was making tinctures for his clients, for his patients in our garage.
	So, I grew up with a garage smelling like OSHA root and chaparral leaf and cool herb presses, not auto parts, like most of my friends.
	And so, we actually did some testing for ourselves for his tikta, and we failed something.
	We returned the product, the vendor asked us how we failed it.
	We gave them this very transparent report that we did for our own internal work.
	You know, at this point, I'm in college chemistry, and the only thing I knew was transparency.
	You don't give your professor in college a report that says, trust me, or redacted, or confidential methodology.
	You give him everything.
	That's how we form the lab.
	So, the point is, we believe as a family, the suburb family, that herbs work and mushrooms work.
	And we've always, that's how it was raised.
	And so, we stayed with plants and mushrooms.
	That was our original passion.
	At that time, there were no labs other than these big humongous ones, which basically are banks owned that own labs.
	They test tilapia, space parts, textiles, leather dye, you name it.
	It's just a big generalist lab.
	No one was a specialist in plants and fungus like we were.
	And so, we really carved out a niche and have stayed there and now basically known throughout the world as the plant and mushroom identity potency and purity experts.
	We only expanded into, for example, HPLC for quantification of phytochemicals because our clients begged us to.
	They were sending us their ginger powder, saying, Is this ginger?
	We said, Yes, here's the report.
	They said, Can you measure the ginger alls in our ginger?
	We said, Well, the equipment.
	And they said, Well, if you do, we'll get you all this work because we'd love to not use the big labs.
	So, we brought in HPLCs.
	And as you know, those are extremely expensive.
	They're like race cars that need to be cleaned and taken apart after a run around the track.
	Yep.
	And our additional growth, which is what you've mentioned into the contaminant level, was again, the customers said, Please, we send you the ginger for ginger identity.
	We send you to ginger for ginger alls.
	Can you test the leads, you know, heavy metals in there?
	Can you test the pesticides and residuals?
	So, that was really never a specialty and/or even a fascination of ours, but it was sort of complimentary to the tests we already have in-house for the products we already have in-house.
	So, but our specialty is still plants, fungus, identity, potency, and contamination was the most recent growth for sure.
	Yeah, I appreciate what you're going through with all the growth curves on that.
	And as you know, ginger can with some frequency be contaminated with lead, such as turmeric.
	Ginger, a lot of the root crops can have lead in them.
	But as you know, once you go into lead testing with ICPMS, now you have to have acid handling capabilities for sample prep, like lots of nitric acid and then fume hoods and safety protocols, emergency showers, training, because you can't have people just walking around with vials of acetal all over the lab, right?
	Right.
	You have to have like acid cleanup protocols.
	Like it's a big thing, it's a lot.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And often the public, you know, unless this is why I want to give a tour of our new lab, too.
	I want to walk people through this because it's a whole universe that people often don't see.
	Well, and I'll speak to that.
	You know, brands like yourselves that do this type of work at the level you're talking about have to charge more because you just spent a bunch of money to do the testing.
	And this speaks to kind of my point about why wouldn't you share quality?
	You're spending, we've got customers spend millions of dollars a year testing with us and they say very little about it on their marketing.
	To me, it's a marketing campaign that never got launched.
	It's like you get these CVAs and they go in a drawer.
	Those are marketing gold, in my opinion.
	The brands, the customers, the consumers go to the store shelves or on the websites, and there's a lot of better sameness.
	What differentiates a brand from others other than the influencer shaking it on a social media post?
	It's a lot of, it's a sea of better sameness.
	And so I think the ones that are going to stand out, the ones with the transparency, the ones that show the depth that goes into making their product worthwhile to take, but also all the work that goes into making sure that's safe and effective.
	And a lot of that is lab testing that, as you know, costs a lot of money and is very complicated.
	And employees get paid a lot.
	And the equipment's expensive and it drinks expensive solvents.
	And you've got to take care of those solvents the right way.
	And there's a truck just outside right now, probably taking our chemical waste away the right way, which is also very expensive.
	And so to do things the right way and pay people the right amount, our customers pay top dollar to test with us because they know they're getting accurate results and we're doing it the right way.
	And it's no joke what you said earlier.
	Your company is, in my experience and just being in this industry, your company is the standard for botanical testing for the Western world.
	Maybe there's a totally different leader in China or Russia for those countries, but as far as the Western world, it's Alchemist.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And anybody that I ask, you know, certifiers, FDA, USDA, they always say Alchemist.
	Yeah, it's the little brand that has can and will.
	And, you know, father-son started.
	My girlfriend at the time, now my wife worked for us.
	My best friend, my hairdresser's neighbor, that was basically the team number one.
	Now we've got 56 people.
	You know, I take every single one of them to lunch throughout the year.
	I try to at least get to know the staff.
	We've got a culture here that is hard to beat.
	You know, we're in Orange County.
	There's a lot of biotech.
	You can exit the colleges nearby with a degree in chemistry and get paid a lot more.
	In fact, you're going to be basically a slave in a dungeon of a lab with very little culture.
	And if those are the values you don't care about, then have a blast.
	But I think the industry knows that the culture of the company too is, like they say, happy cows make good cheese or whatever that phrase is.
	And I think happy chemists make accurate and reproducible results.
	And that's what we try to pride ourselves on.
	Good point.
	Good point.
	Let me talk about, you mentioned Maltodextrin earlier, and I want to bring in a fact and get your response to it.
	So we've seen where, for example, pomegranate powder that's currently sold on Amazon.
	I'm not going to mention brand names, but I know as a fact that some pomegranate powders are over 50% maltodextrin, but it's not listed on the bag.
	Right.
	So is there pomegranate in there?
	Yes.
	Is it all pomegranate powder?
	No.
	Is the labeling on the bag fraudulent?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	And that's the key.
	It's a key phrase.
	Like if it's, it's okay as long as you say it's in there.
	And, you know, a lot of companies will use Maltodextrin as kind of a flow agent because, you know, you can imagine pomegranate could be a sticky extract or sticky reduction in powder.
	And so you need a flow agent, but that's a great way to dilute a product.
	It's like making a cup of coffee for yourself and then running water through the beans again for your spouse and then doing it again one more time for your spouse.
	And the maltodextrin is not listed on ingredients.
	That's straight up illegal.
	I mean, if it's not on the, if it's not listed and it's in there, you have a, you have a very serious label violation.
	The FTC can come after you, FDA can come after you.
	Again, good news, maltodection is not going to hurt anyone.
	It's going to hurt your pocketbook.
	You're going to buy something that's about half as good as you thought it was.
	And that was the issue with Houdia.
	People were basically diluting it to the extent of it was barely there almost all maltdectrin.
	Here's the beautiful part.
	We have all this expensive equipment and the instrumentation that discovered the maltodection in Hudia was a very simple light microscope.
	Literally something you do in eighth grade, you look through it, you prep your slide, you see the maltodectrin just melting away like an ice cube.
	Hudia and no plant matter melts.
	It doesn't melt.
	Extracts will go into solution, but Malto looks really specific to Malto and the way it melts away.
	And it doesn't cost anything to do that quick test.
	So, I mean, people can do it at home.
	If they get a very simple microscope from Amazon, while they're buying their pomegranate from Amazon, they can look to see if there's Malto in there and determine very easily.
	But again, good news, it's not going to hurt you.
	Bad news, it's not going to work because you're basically taking a corn sugar product instead of the indebted years ago.
	This was over 10 years ago, maybe 15.
	And again, I'm not going to mention a brand, but there was a whey protein product that turned out to be nothing but maltodextrin.
	And the creator, this is my memory of it, the creator of the whey protein product claimed that they somehow, I don't know, they prayed over it or something.
	Whatever they did.
	And then that made it.
	They turned the maltodextrin into whey protein.
	And it was very popular among vegans.
	I remember vegans were like, this is the best tasting whey protein I've ever had.
	Yeah.
	Because it's corn sugar, you know.
	But that guy, actually, I think he was prosecuted ultimately.
	I think he went to prison.
	But do you remember that incident?
	I am amazingly did not hear about that one.
	But we've had our share of crazy stories similarly.
	I have not heard the praying over.
	Or maybe it wasn't praying.
	Maybe it was like he had an electric plate or something.
	I'm not saying like there's plates or surfaces that have certain type of properties that may make things different.
	I, you know, I'm a chemist at heart.
	I'm a skeptic at heart.
	I like to measure things that are measurable.
	And I kind of stay away from that category.
	But it's interesting that the vegans were into it.
	Maybe they need more protein in their diet for brain process to not believe in things like that.
	No, seriously, it was a bunch of vegans.
	I mean, they were otherwise they were vegans, but they were drinking what they thought was whey protein, but it wasn't.
	It was maltodextrin.
	But so you and I, I mean, we're both, we understand that healing and that natural medicine is more than just the chemical constituents.
	There are synergistic properties.
	And we understand there's alchemy in traditional Chinese medicine, Western herbal medicine, Amazonian medicine, Tibetan medicine, right?
	And that's the name of your company is Alchemist.
	You know, you understand the alchemy.
	But we also, you and I both, we believe in the existence of molecules.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	It's a tough one.
	You know, I used the example to that point.
	You know, when you make a cup of coffee, you've got a bean from a plant.
	It's been dried a certain way.
	So you already have an opportunity to mess up in the process.
	But let's say it's not messed up.
	It's ground and you pour hot water through it and you can mess that up too.
	You can pour hot water too fast.
	You can do two day long percolation.
	The variables expand exponentially.
	But when your final product is a brown liquid with a number of chemicals in it and it is not, it is not caffeine.
	That is not coffee.
	And so sometimes we will get a coffee bean extract.
	And when you run it on an HPTLC chromatograph plate, and just for the listeners and the viewers, what's happening basically is the chromatography separates chemicals into bands, kind of like genetics or a DNA profile on a crime show.
	You see those little bands and it matches the killer or the father or maybe both.
	Instead of proteins, these are plant chemicals and every plant has a bunch of them.
	When we see sometimes these fraudulent green coffee bean or just coffee bean products, we see one band.
	A single band is generally indicative of a single chemical and that same chemical matches up the caffeine band on the other side of the plate.
	So if you run caffeine on the same experiment, it stops here.
	The bad product stops here.
	And then you can say that's caffeine.
	The good product has a number of bands that go all the way through.
	There's a bunch of chemicals, phytochemicals that are in coffee.
	And so it's imagine like snorting caffeine powder on your desk versus having a nice cup of coffee.
	I guarantee the experience will be different.
	Or even the cannabis world, you know, smoking cannabis flour, you get the synergistic effect of all of the terpenes, all the cannabinoids.
	There's a bunch.
	Nowadays, people are into these vape pens and or edibles, and those are curated.
	Those are extracts.
	So, you're losing data, data in the form of chemicals, phytochemicals.
	And sometimes they're even just admixtures of six or seven.
	And in my own personal experience, those do not feel as enjoyable as a freshly burned flower of cannabis.
	That's just a great example because that industry has taken it so far that it's almost like pharmaceuticalized, if that's a word.
	You know, when you take a pharmaceutical, it's generally one compound for a particular reason.
	That's because it's been clinically tested to have that effect, and they can make those claims.
	But herbs and mushrooms have hundreds or sometimes thousands of chemicals in them that work together.
	And the basic philosophy of herbal medicine that my father once practiced and still believes in, and that we sort of deploy in our testing is that caffeine is not one chemical, and rosemary is not one chemical, and echinacea is not one chemical.
	And we'll see sometimes, as an example, ginkgo, people will fortify.
	They'll actually add a particular chemical to ginkgo extract to make it amplify that one particular chemical.
	And we'll see all these bands, and then one's overblown because it's just they added so much to it because that's the thing that they think works.
	But fortification is fine as long as you steak that has been fortified.
	But it is certainly not a natural version, almost like a Frankenstein version of the plant's original form.
	Right.
	So I think caffeine from coffee is not coffee.
	Caffeine from caffeine can come from lots of plants too.
	It can be synthetic.
	It could be from yerba mate, various teas.
	There's a bunch of different plants that produce caffeine.
	And so, you know, sort of even speaks to some of these four strengths, which are a lot of interesting synthetic ingredients combined into a thing.
	My favorite rugged drink is espresso.
	I just take it from the original bean and just have a shot of espresso before I do jiu-jitsu in the morning.
	And that seems to be very effective.
	That's me.
	Here in Texas, we have Yopan Holly, which is a lot of fun.
	That's one of the only caffeinated plant growing in America.
	And I've been enjoying it midday around three o'clock.
	That's amazing.
	I have it all over my ranch.
	I can just harvest it and then I just pan, kind of pan-cook it, kind of brown it, I guess, roasting it in a pan, and then just steep it.
	And you have Yopan Holly tea.
	I bet that tastes amazing.
	Oh, it's great.
	It's great.
	Yeah.
	But wow, what an incredible world that we are living in right now.
	Now, let me bring up the hemp issue that's happening politically right now.
	And it's incredibly frustrating to me that currently the GOP in the Senate and the House are trying to ban hemp all across the country, yet again, because it was illegal.
	And we fought for hemp freedom.
	And now we can sell hemp seeds and hemp proteins and, of course, cannabinoids as CBD extracts, CBDA, et cetera.
	And they're incredibly beneficial to people.
	What is your take on this whole hemp issue?
	That I think in the Senate, only Senator Rand Paul is actually standing up for hemp right now.
	What's your take?
	Oh, it's mind-blowing.
	You know, I'll go, I'll take a different direction.
	Well, let me first say, I think it should be legal.
	I think cannabis and a lot of other plants should be legal.
	I think this is a function of the grand puppeteers of big pharma, not wanting us to miss out on their drugs.
	I'll just give an example.
	There's a product that is sold every day that is known to cause cancer.
	Fact.
	It is known to cause heart disease.
	Fact.
	We're known as disputing that.
	And it is not a natural product.
	They add those chemicals into it with intention to fortify flavor and effect.
	And those chemicals are known to cause cancer.
	And it's called cigarettes.
	And don't get me wrong, I'm not one to take things away.
	But tobacco products, you know, if you smoke tobacco, that's on you.
	Great, good job.
	But even like modern cigarettes are not tobacco.
	If you take a modern cigarette, you chop it up, you put it under the microscope, that is not a plant powder.
	That is not a tobacco leaf.
	That is a chemical slurry that's been dried and sliced thin.
	And if I get assassinated or another death threats, probably from Big Tobacco Now, but it is not a, you know, like maybe some of the more authentic brands I won't mention are tobacco leaves chopped up, but some of the mainstream bands are a chemical slurry chopped up to make it look like loose leaf.
	You smoke it and they are fortifying it with chemicals, nicotine specifically, that we know causes cancer and we know causes all sorts of problems, yet is still sold.
	Meanwhile, they're trying to take cannabis away at the same time.
	It just blows my mind.
	If it's not, if it's not political, I don't know what it is.
	It's not about health and safety.
	We have grandfathered in one of the most toxic things ever is, you know, on the list of leading causes of death in America, still for sale legally all over the place.
	Yet cannabis is now being retracted.
	And for what?
	I just, you know, this, these kind of things make me just go crazy when I start to deep dive in it.
	And, you know, we suddenly become conspiracy theorists, but we're not.
	We're just truth tellers.
	We see the future and we talk about it.
	Well, and cannabis, again, cannabis extracts.
	And I'm not talking about THC.
	Sure.
	I'm not a consumer.
	But even if you do, I know it's a psychotropic chemical.
	You know, you be careful if you use it.
	But even that one of the worst ones of cannabis are not even remotely close to that of legally sold tobacco.
	Grandfather.
	Yeah, good point.
	Like you can't, if you found a plant on your, on your land in Texas and you brought it to market and it was similar to tobacco, you wouldn't be able to sell it.
	Like they would be like, that's a dangerous drug.
	No, thank you.
	It does not get to be sold.
	You're going to jail if you do.
	Yet tobacco and or cigarette products are sold every day, knowingly causing cancer.
	Yeah.
	I mean, in fact, old issues of the Journal of the American Medical Association used to feature full-page ads that said doctors smoke more camels than any other cigarette.
	Exactly.
	And for decades, doctors were paid to say that smoking cigarettes would boost your cognition, boost your health, boost your energy.
	Well, now doctors are paid to sell other things.
	But back to cannabis, I think it's a political puppeteering.
	Why is it not fully legal?
	Even if you want to stop at THC containing hemp or cannabis, hemp is such an amazing plant with so many benefits, you know, industrial and commercial and medicinal that it just blows my mind that they're trying to take it away again.
	Well, and also think about just over-the-counter Tylenol, acetaminophen, which causes permanent liver damage in many people, especially when combined with alcohol.
	You can buy that at every corner store.
	Yep.
	Prescribed all the time.
	Damage the livers every day.
	We can go further on that one and sort of uncharted territory, but what you've just mentioned is on the label.
	I mean, they know it.
	There are many choices to use to choose from analgesics.
	And this one, you know, I'll say that there are, there's a whole list of pharmaceutical, clinically tested, proven safe and effective pharmaceuticals that are no longer in the market and they come off the market all the time.
	There's a huge list.
	Viox is one of my favorites to talk about.
	All good to go.
	And once it hit, I think 60,000 people died.
	They're like, 58,436 was not a big deal, but we hit 60, and that's too much.
	So let's take it off.
	If your loved one was one of those people who died, it wouldn't be just a number.
	Exactly.
	A drug that you were sold safe and effective by medical doctors you're supposed to trust.
	So let's pivot back to the good news of the herbal industry and botanicals.
	Although what we just talked about, I think, is very important.
	But tell us, what are the trends that you're seeing in the industry in terms of the popularity of various herbs?
	Is there anything coming back like ashwagandha or whatever?
	What are you saying?
	Great news.
	Just, you know, we hired a COO in our company and she's just doing some research for us for marketing purposes.
	And she, just in the small time that she's been here, the Nutrition Business Journal has put out a great report showing the growth in botanicals has gone, I think in the 30s percent of consumers, U.S. consumers using to 60%.
	Wow.
	Some variation of the numbers.
	So, you know, and that's only in the last few years.
	I think COVID was partially responsible.
	That debacle that may or may not be still happening.
	It made people fear their lives and they reached for everything they could.
	They reached for whether they took the COVID shot or not, they also looked into how else can I help my immune system?
	And what's been around for a long time is herbal and mushroom products.
	So growth in herbal supplements in the U.S. market has gone up significantly.
	I think it's wonderful.
	I think it's obviously wonderful for our business, but it's wonderful because the folks are relying and leaning on products that are safe and time-tested, thousands of years of use.
	And very few of them have been pulled from market.
	And those that have been overmarket are generally, you know, questionably why, you know, whether it's ephedra or other plants that probably should have stayed.
	So, so to your question, yeah, herbs are growing.
	Mushrooms are growing.
	Yes.
	Categories are more popular than ever.
	And people are reading labels and people are noticing and they're reaching for things that have been time tested for thousands of years rather than experimental showed up a few years ago.
	And even just like you mentioned, Ephedra in Chinese medicine, that herb is known as Mahuang.
	And it's part of a formula that is the most anti-plague formula that's been used for the history of Chinese medicine.
	See, I will very quickly go down the rabbit hole on that and say I think they pulled ephedra off the market in the U.S. because they didn't want people to have access to natural anti-plague cures.
	That's that's my take.
	It's uh I agree with you that that that plant particularly has a number of benefits from respiratory to as you've just mentioned.
	Uh, and it was a very effective uh medicinal plant that we had access to and it was pulled.
	And it was really it's really tragic.
	Uh, it's probably the worst offense we've seen recently.
	I mean, cannabis, I would say, is also a great plant that should have been legalized, but Ephedra or Phydra is one of those that's pulled recently and should not have been.
	And we, you know, we should have as an industry tried to fight harder.
	I know a lot of the folks in my industry who did try very hard to keep that went on there.
	But, you know, again, back to the puppeteers of our government.
	They're very strong, very powerful.
	And, you know, unfortunately, the money talks.
	But to spin this a good way, the American consumers are relying on botanicals more now than ever before.
	And I think that's a really great trend for positive movements in health.
	You know, even in the Maha movement, is, you know, I know RFK has not made humongous movements in the dietary supplement or nuisance industry yet.
	That's because he's so busy with the ones that are super broken and health, you know, food and drugs.
	He's got a lot to do there.
	And I forgive him for not saying much about dietary supplements yet.
	I'm playing.
	But the fact is, our industry is wonderful and people are using it.
	And we have a great safety record and we have a great time-tested track record.
	And this very pleased Americans are leaning on it more than ever.
	We helped fund a lawsuit filed by Attorney Jonathan E. Moore with Alliance for Natural Health against the FDA to allow government-approved claims.
	It's like hundreds of claims, including many botanicals and certain vitamins and nutrients and so on.
	So, I mean, we're one of the plaintiffs, I guess you could say, or the funders of that lawsuit.
	So, we're also fighting for truth about herbs and nutrition.
	But you mentioned that 60% of people are now using some form of botanicals, which is fantastic.
	And you also mentioned COVID earlier.
	One of the things that I learned during COVID that really blew my mind, and since then, I have started growing large numbers of loblolly pine trees.
	But that is that the pine needles of these pine trees, which are native to Texas, or they were brought here centuries ago, but they're in Texas now.
	And they contain so much shikimic acid in the pine needles, along with vitamin C and other things, that we made a mistake in our lab.
	We developed a method for shikimic acid quantitation using a single quad mass spec.
	And then we accidentally contaminated the entire instrument with shikimic acid because the levels were so high, it was off the charts.
	So for me, that was good.
	I'm like, okay, these definitely contain shikimic acid, but you can just go out and you can just pick pine needles, make a tea, drink a tea, and that molecule is what's used in Tamaflu, prescription drug.
	But I don't need a prescription.
	I just grow pine trees.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Right.
	Well, I agree with you.
	And someday I hope to have access to the same land to be able to do that as well.
	What's unfortunate is most people don't.
	And, you know, I'll take this subject because one of the other directions is this is why we are hoping that RFK and the Maho movement can give better access to safe and effective supplements to everyone.
	So as you probably know, SNAP and HSA, so SNAP does not allow access to supplements like what you just mentioned because it considers it medicine and not food.
	While Health Savings Accounts doesn't allow access to supplements because they consider it food and not a medicine.
	These are levers in the tax laws somewhere that someone could just click and click and then the people will have access to all of our supplements in this industry, which are clearly safe and effective.
	Well, maybe I'll say safe.
	I'll say clearly safe.
	I know we can't really say effective without getting in trouble, but time tested and as you just indicated, very clearly ancillary to a lot of the pharmaceutical drugs out there being used to treat and or prevent illness.
	These are, you know, it's really, it's an access issue.
	Access through health savings accounts and SNAP and access to those who don't have the land to grow their own herbal medicine cabinets.
	Well, I'm going to take this one step further.
	And you may or may not want to follow me down this rabbit hole, but I think that Western medicine is collapsing and it is a failed institution.
	It's rooted in fraud and money laundering, payola, paying off the medical journal to push fake studies.
	The Landset has been busted.
	You can go to Retraction Watch and just laugh all day long at all the so-called science studies that have been retracted because they're all fake and fraudulent.
	And the science journals are paid off by big pharma.
	It's a joke, right?
	So there was definitely a movement of a lack of trust.
	And I think the pandemic was sort of the tipping point for a lot of folks.
	We were all very scared.
	I don't know if you were scared at first.
	I know I was very scared at first.
	I had an elderly father-in-law with respiratory challenges and I didn't want to get him sick.
	I also didn't trust the products that were coming out.
	And I think a lot of people either felt so scared they just jumped into taking an experimental product or they had to for work.
	And at the end of the day, it didn't do what it was supposed to do.
	And they still got COVID.
	And it was an eye-opening experience.
	A lot of people are not in the position of parents that have to abide by the vaccine schedules for school.
	And look, I'm not going to go into this too much, but no one cares if you don't want to give your kid all of the shots because they're older and don't have to worry about that.
	And the amount of shots that the kids have to get nowadays, there's way more than they had to take themselves or had to give their kids.
	But when COVID showed up, everyone was almost forced to take a shot.
	And so it opened up the eyes to people like, wait, wait, wait, what are we actually being forced to take and why?
	And to your point, I think the Western medicine arena lost a lot of trust.
	I think people started to look further and deeper into why and how.
	And you know, there's campaigns on don't do your own research.
	No, do your own research.
	I can't even believe they said that and they published it.
	Uh, you know, do your research, talk to medical professionals, get online, do your research, talk to friends and family.
	You know, be careful.
	Uh, I don't believe in practicing medicine on myself or pretend to be a doctor, but at the same time, ask questions, doing research.
	And that was a product of the pandemic.
	And I'm grateful for it.
	You know, if we had to get through that to open up the eyes, like you said, of allopathic medicine and Western medicine, but don't get me wrong, if I ever get cancer, I'm going to take all the things.
	I'm going to take the pine needles, I'm going to do acupuncture, I'm going to take herbs, I'm going to take the drugs.
	I believe there is a place and time for allopathic medicine.
	And I have friends and family who've been saved from cancer by the drugs, and I'm grateful for them.
	But, you know, but look into things is my personal message is to challenge the ask the questions.
	And I don't trust anything.
	I look into everything at the nth degree to almost the point of paralyzation, you know, paralysis by analysis, paralysis by analysis sometimes.
	But to your point, yeah, I think there is a lack of trust of government.
	There's a lack of trust of Western medicine as a result of what just occurred to us in the pandemic.
	You know, and I would just add to what you just said there, that cancer is not random.
	And like every day for 20 years, I've been drinking probably at least 50 anti-cancer nutrients in my smoothie.
	And, you know, it's about having a lifestyle and making choices about consuming botanicals on a regular basis that are known to help your body naturally stay healthy and prevent bad conditions from happening to you.
	Right.
	And the beautiful thing about AI right now, I'm going to plug our engine.
	You'll love this, Elon.
	If you haven't used it, if you go to brightu.ai and here it is, ask Enoch anything.
	And we have a wellness coach here.
	We are the only engine in the world that we've trained our AI engine on thousands of books on phytochemistry, botanicals, natural and alternative medicine.
	So I guarantee you, you can ask our engine about any nutrient, any molecule that you work with.
	You can even ask it, like, okay, I just, I grew rosemary herb in my garden.
	How do I make an extract of rosemary?
	And it will tell you, it will walk you through step by step how to make like a water alcohol extract for your own use.
	So now we have all this knowledge that's decentralized.
	And now the powers that be can't control our access to information.
	So things are changing.
	And they've tried.
	And, you know, thank you for Elon Musk for spending his money on opening up Twitter and X.
	I think it was brilliant.
	That was, we were going the wrong way very fast and it was very scary.
	You know, one of the things I was really upset about is that our industry had a lot of interesting products that, you know, we've been talking about immunity for a long time and they were censored and we couldn't even say things.
	I think I posted on Facebook, you know, gargle with saltwater during the pandemic.
	It was taken down for two weeks.
	My account was just taken down for two weeks.
	You know, not long, not long ago, Washington Post put those exact words and it was fine.
	So just a little too soon to say gargle with saltwater.
	I wasn't saying it was going to cure anything.
	I just said to a friend, you know, who had a sore throat during the pandemic, oh, saltwater, that's a trick we've known for years.
	Great grandmas have been practicing that.
	But, you know, so I'm pleased and grateful that your AI engine is available for the people to learn how to take care of a lot of the things on their own because it's been accessible to us for thousands of years and only in the recent times when allopathic medicine showed up to sort of take control.
	And again, I'm appreciative of Western medicine when it's necessary.
	I feel it should never be required or mandated.
	We should always have the choice to smoke cigarettes or to take a vaccine or not and to grow pine trees in our backyards and use them for medicinally.
	Yeah, I agree with you that I agree with the liberty of personal choice.
	And if people want to choose Western medicine, that's fine.
	But I think that it's the lack of information and the censorship that has caused people to not understand the benefits of botanicals or cannabinoids or what have you, or even pine needles.
	Very few.
	What's funny is very few Americans today know about the benefits of pine needles, but most of the Native Americans who were here before us, they would use pine needles all the time.
	This is old news.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's just been suppressed for a few centuries.
	But anyway, about to wrap this up.
	And I want to thank you for your time and your expertise and your passion for this.
	I really share your passion about botanicals.
	Is there anything you want to say just to wrap this up?
	Yeah, I'd say do your own research.
	Never just accept things that you're curious about and don't let anyone ever tell you to not look into something.
	Not everyone has a degree in chemistry or biology or pharmacogenosynthetic, but the data is more accessible now than ever before.
	And look at the things before you buy them and ask questions.
	Okay, well said.
	And yeah, pharmacognosy is another topic that many of those books are in our engine in terms of the training also.
	So what a fascinating subject.
	So thank you, Elon.
	It's been a great honor knowing you all these years.
	I really honor what you do.
	And I thank you and thank you for making your company so successful in setting new standards in botanical identification and purity.
	So thank you very much.
	I'm grateful to be on this podcast and so grateful for everything you've been doing as well.
	We're working hard.
	All right, Elon, have a great rest of your day.
	And again, folks, for those of you watching, the website is alchemist.com.
	That's A-L-K-E-M-I-S-T.
	If you are in the food business or botanical business, you will want to know about Alchemist.
	And of course, you can repost this interview on other platforms and channels.
	And if you want to use our AI engine that knows all, pretty much has all of human knowledge about botanicals.
	That's at brightu.ai.
	You can ask it anything.
	You can click on the wellness coach right here, and then you can ask it any question about wellness, health.
	There's some questions we've asked before.
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